KBDfans | Keyspresso | MyKeyboard | ProtoTypist | Daily Clack | |
Base | 79.00 USD | 79.00 USD | 79.00 EUR | TBD | TBD |
Numpad | 18.00 USD | 18.00 USD | 18.00 EUR | TBD | TBD |
NorDeUK | 19.00 USD | 19.00 USD | 19.00 EUR | TBD | TBD |
40s | 25.00 USD | 25.00 USD | 25.00 EUR | TBD | TBD |
Spacebar | 10.00 USD | 10.00 USD | 10.00 EUR | TBD | TBD |
Hiragana | 20.00 USD | 20.00 USD | 20.00 EUR | TBD | TBD |
Cyrillic | 20.00 USD | 20.00 USD | 20.00 EUR | TBD | TBD |
Novelties | 19.00 USD | 19.00 USD | 19.00 EUR | TBD | TBD |
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awesome, but why Hiragana sublegend tho imo Cyrillic sublegends make more sense for this theme
Nice Set, GLWIC
thanks for the detail! I'd love a cyrillic alphas if its avail, but will also get a Latin alphas regardlessawesome, but why Hiragana sublegend tho imo Cyrillic sublegends make more sense for this theme
I chose Hiragana because there's a reference to the Japanese keyboard model, the 94D, in an old product support manual. I didn't see a Russian one listed, but I did see a generic "European" model listed, the 93D. So, I'm not sure if Cyrillic sublegends really make more sense for this one. However, I'm not completely opposed to the idea if people are in support of it.
thanks for the detail! I'd love a cyrillic alphas if its avail, but will also get a Latin alphas regardlessawesome, but why Hiragana sublegend tho imo Cyrillic sublegends make more sense for this theme
I chose Hiragana because there's a reference to the Japanese keyboard model, the 94D, in an old product support manual. I didn't see a Russian one listed, but I did see a generic "European" model listed, the 93D. So, I'm not sure if Cyrillic sublegends really make more sense for this one. However, I'm not completely opposed to the idea if people are in support of it.
In the picture of the inspiration, the alphas are grey, but in the kit mock-ups they're beige-y. Any particular reason for this? Set looks great as it is (I want it), but I think the alphas would look better as light grey as it would really make the legends pop.
I wish this wasn't using epbt otherwise I'd be in. GLWIC
Oh yes. Between novelties and 40's this will make anything weird even weirder (and make left side F keys on boards like the Zenith looks great too)
Any chance for an ergodox kit (I know there isn't, but I guess I could ask, right?)
Edit: What will the homing keys be like? Just bars would be great, but if ePBT does scoops now those would be great too... really I prefer either to scooped + barred
Too bad no EU vendor, will skip this.
In the picture of the inspiration, the alphas are grey, but in the kit mock-ups they're beige-y. Any particular reason for this? Set looks great as it is (I want it), but I think the alphas would look better as light grey as it would really make the legends pop.
+1 for Cyrillic
The original legends are actually purple, why do you use dark red/burgundy?
I like this idea! Mod colors seems a bit lighter than OG inspiration, as well as alpha legends - but I'll probably be in on this!
This is the first set to catch my attention in months. Extremely well put together, definitely going to buy a couple.
PBT 1u convex space keys? Even if this doesn't have a colevrak set, I have to join it now.
Looks great. I've been thinking about joining the PBT gang since gmk can no longer deliver flat space bars ;D
Looks great. I've been thinking about joining the PBT gang since gmk can no longer deliver flat space bars ;D
buddy banana bars originated with PBT
It is time for the bar wars.
For historical/aesthetical reasons that refuse to die, the vertical bar (u+007c, | ) is displayed in many sets as the broken bar (U+00a6, ¦ ). In keysets that only support the English (US) national layout this is not much of a problem, but...
As things go, the broken bar symbol IS available in quite a few national layouts, English (UK) in particular. Your set, as it stands now, supports both English (US) over ANSI and English (UK) over ISO... but uses the same legend (¦) to represent the vertical bar (in each \| keycap) and the broken bar (in the UK-specific `¬¦ keycap). I would suggest using the vertical bar to represent... the vertical bar.
Also R3 \| , yadda yadda yadda...
EDIT: also, 4$€.
Hello all! A few updates:
- I updated the colors to more accurately match the OG Xerox board and had new renders made. These colors should be final.
- A Cyrillic alphas set is in the works.
Furthermore, I'm looking into getting proxies set up as requested by a few users. I've reached out to KBDfans regarding this.
Regarding the addition of a Cyrillic set, I'm interested in knowing what people think of splitting the Latin alphas from the base set and offering a generic modifier set and separate alphas. I originally wanted to offer a solid base kit that would offer enough compatibility for most people, but I'm wondering if that's the right way to go if there are 3 different alpha kits?
Hello all! A few updates:
- I updated the colors to more accurately match the OG Xerox board and had new renders made. These colors should be final.
- A Cyrillic alphas set is in the works.
Furthermore, I'm looking into getting proxies set up as requested by a few users. I've reached out to KBDfans regarding this.
Regarding the addition of a Cyrillic set, I'm interested in knowing what people think of splitting the Latin alphas from the base set and offering a generic modifier set and separate alphas. I originally wanted to offer a solid base kit that would offer enough compatibility for most people, but I'm wondering if that's the right way to go if there are 3 different alpha kits?
Would this include a US proxy? Honestly not a fan of how KBDfans customer service the one time I had to deal with an issue.
Hello all! A few updates:
- I updated the colors to more accurately match the OG Xerox board and had new renders made. These colors should be final.
- A Cyrillic alphas set is in the works.
Furthermore, I'm looking into getting proxies set up as requested by a few users. I've reached out to KBDfans regarding this.
Regarding the addition of a Cyrillic set, I'm interested in knowing what people think of splitting the Latin alphas from the base set and offering a generic modifier set and separate alphas. I originally wanted to offer a solid base kit that would offer enough compatibility for most people, but I'm wondering if that's the right way to go if there are 3 different alpha kits?
Would this include a US proxy? Honestly not a fan of how KBDfans customer service the one time I had to deal with an issue.
Sorry to hear that :(. I am planning on looking for a NA proxy as well... Just waiting on word from KBDfans before I start going down that route.
Colorways like this is just too good, very lovely set! :thumb:
For the regular alphas would a nordeuk / international kit be possible? Should be ok todo with ePBT, child kits are "cheap" ^-^
Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.
I like it, allot. The regular base anyway. but it feels like GMK alchemy with extra steps.
I like it, allot. The regular base anyway. but it feels like GMK alchemy with extra steps.
Thanks! I looked at GMK Alchemy, and I'm not really seeing the similarities other than being gray and beige?
I like it, allot. The regular base anyway. but it feels like GMK alchemy with extra steps.
Thanks! I looked at GMK Alchemy, and I'm not really seeing the similarities other than being gray and beige?
and the dark red.
Colorways like this is just too good, very lovely set! :thumb:
For the regular alphas would a nordeuk / international kit be possible? Should be ok todo with ePBT, child kits are "cheap" ^-^
I'll consider this
Hello all! A few updates:Would agree to split mod and offer numerous alpha kit.
- I updated the colors to more accurately match the OG Xerox board and had new renders made. These colors should be final.
- A Cyrillic alphas set is in the works.
Furthermore, I'm looking into getting proxies set up as requested by a few users. I've reached out to KBDfans regarding this.
Regarding the addition of a Cyrillic set, I'm interested in knowing what people think of splitting the Latin alphas from the base set and offering a generic modifier set and separate alphas. I originally wanted to offer a solid base kit that would offer enough compatibility for most people, but I'm wondering if that's the right way to go if there are 3 different alpha kits?
Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.
I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.
Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.
I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.
I think the same can be said for ePBT sets as well though..
Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.
I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.
I think the same can be said for ePBT sets as well though..
I'll repeat what I said in a previous comment. Warped pbt space bars can easily be heated up and flattened. Afaik, abs can't.
Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.
I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.
I think the same can be said for ePBT sets as well though..
I'll repeat what I said in a previous comment. Warped pbt space bars can easily be heated up and flattened. Afaik, abs can't.
So do you justify the warped spacebars of ePBT because they can be flattened? Also, if you want PBT, then Infinikey is a better choice from ePBT.
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Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.
I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.
I think the same can be said for ePBT sets as well though..
I'll repeat what I said in a previous comment. Warped pbt space bars can easily be heated up and flattened. Afaik, abs can't.
So do you justify the warped spacebars of ePBT because they can be flattened? Also, if you want PBT, then Infinikey is a better choice from ePBT.
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I can look into doing local vendors, although typically ePBT is run solely through KBDfans.That would be awesome. :thumb: Kon Momo and Cool Kids ran recently on CandyKeys.
Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.
I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.
I think the same can be said for ePBT sets as well though..
I'll repeat what I said in a previous comment. Warped pbt space bars can easily be heated up and flattened. Afaik, abs can't.
So do you justify the warped spacebars of ePBT because they can be flattened? Also, if you want PBT, then Infinikey is a better choice from ePBT.
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Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.
I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.
I think the same can be said for ePBT sets as well though..
I'll repeat what I said in a previous comment. Warped pbt space bars can easily be heated up and flattened. Afaik, abs can't.
So do you justify the warped spacebars of ePBT because they can be flattened? Also, if you want PBT, then Infinikey is a better choice from ePBT.
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Not sure I agree about Infinikey being better than ePBT. The Infinikey set I have has the tightest keycaps I have ever seen. Like it takes a long time to remove a single cap off a switch because you have to gently rock it for a long time as straight up pulling them with a keycap puller will not pull them out. I use soldered PCBs only, but the caps are so tight it would probably pull up the whole switch on a hotswap board.
Every company making keycaps has some compromise or another these days. From what I read in another Discord channel GMK has settled on this current issue being within their tolerances and they are not going to be replacing people's spacebars.
What I'm wondering is the hot water fix for ePBT spacebars permanent? Or do they slowed go back to their old shape? I only have an older 9009 set from them and the spacebar is so mildly warped I never bothered attempting anything.
Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.
I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.
I think the same can be said for ePBT sets as well though..
I'll repeat what I said in a previous comment. Warped pbt space bars can easily be heated up and flattened. Afaik, abs can't.
So do you justify the warped spacebars of ePBT because they can be flattened? Also, if you want PBT, then Infinikey is a better choice from ePBT.
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Not sure I agree about Infinikey being better than ePBT. The Infinikey set I have has the tightest keycaps I have ever seen. Like it takes a long time to remove a single cap off a switch because you have to gently rock it for a long time as straight up pulling them with a keycap puller will not pull them out. I use soldered PCBs only, but the caps are so tight it would probably pull up the whole switch on a hotswap board.
Every company making keycaps has some compromise or another these days. From what I read in another Discord channel GMK has settled on this current issue being within their tolerances and they are not going to be replacing people's spacebars.
What I'm wondering is the hot water fix for ePBT spacebars permanent? Or do they slowed go back to their old shape? I only have an older 9009 set from them and the spacebar is so mildly warped I never bothered attempting anything.
Yes the fix is permanent
It's how the plastic works
Basically what happens is you are "warping" it back into normal shape ~ ~ Since it's a rigid plastic it won't change shape
I find it a bit out of character that this set includes UK-specific ISO keys rather than the awesome and unique ISO keys that the original Xerox 6085 keyboard came with. I get that the original keyboard is just an inspiration, but I think those ’ ‛ and ” ‟ keys would work really well with this set, and they would offer “neutral/novelty” coverage that could be used for any ISO layout, not just UK. This is further compounded by the fact that ISO-UK keys are used by only about 19% of ISO users and 3% of all users (source (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vyY5EjTfzo6YXp_xwQYN_ffcoB0fXdNl8nc0WDteobs/edit?usp=sharing); it's actually less than that for full ISO-UK).
With that in mind, I would like to suggest dropping the following keys from the base kit:And instead adding the following (all 1u):
- R1 `¬¦ (mod-colored)
- R1 `¬¦ (alpha-colored)
- R1 2"
- R1 3£
- R1 4$€
- R3 '@
- R3 #~
- R4 \|
By doing this, not only do you save a whole bunch of keys, but the set also remains truer to the original inspiration.
- R3 ’ ‛
- R3 ” ‟
- R4 <> (as seen on other Xerox keyboards (https://i.imgur.com/cdb30nh.jpg), and many other terminal boards (https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/F-0AAOSwvjdZPZF7/s-l1600.jpg) from the era)
On a personal note, I love seeing vintage-inspired sets that include quirky keys from the original keyboards. Some examples are SA 8010 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106901.0) and KAT Extended APL (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107075.0). I'd love to see this set join that list :D
Edit: fixed link
The "Keyboard" cap is amazing
I would love the full kit for the cyrillic that includes all the numbers
Wish this was CRP
Love this. I'm in.
Wish Nomad had preonic pipe
Lovely set. Wish it made in GMK. This would lead to dropping sublegend kits but at least we have a decent quality.
I'm not sure if I can fully agree, specifically because the most recent GMK sets have been really bad in terms of quality. My 9009 has really bad flashing and my 7u spacebar is unusable. In the past I would have agreed with you.
I think the same can be said for ePBT sets as well though..
I'll repeat what I said in a previous comment. Warped pbt space bars can easily be heated up and flattened. Afaik, abs can't.
So do you justify the warped spacebars of ePBT because they can be flattened? Also, if you want PBT, then Infinikey is a better choice from ePBT.
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Not sure I agree about Infinikey being better than ePBT. The Infinikey set I have has the tightest keycaps I have ever seen. Like it takes a long time to remove a single cap off a switch because you have to gently rock it for a long time as straight up pulling them with a keycap puller will not pull them out. I use soldered PCBs only, but the caps are so tight it would probably pull up the whole switch on a hotswap board.
Every company making keycaps has some compromise or another these days. From what I read in another Discord channel GMK has settled on this current issue being within their tolerances and they are not going to be replacing people's spacebars.
What I'm wondering is the hot water fix for ePBT spacebars permanent? Or do they slowed go back to their old shape? I only have an older 9009 set from them and the spacebar is so mildly warped I never bothered attempting anything.
Yes the fix is permanent
It's how the plastic works
Basically what happens is you are "warping" it back into normal shape ~ ~ Since it's a rigid plastic it won't change shape
Got it, thanks.
nu_types - why no text mod for "shift" and "lock" (even without LED window) in the novelties set? I feel like this would tie in the intended design even more.
Thanks for the information! Right now I'm set on keeping UK ISO as is, moving some of the keys into a NorDeUK kit.
PBT 1u convex space keys? Even if this doesn't have a colevrak set, I have to join it now.
Actually, this might be a render mistake. I'll need to make sure that ePBT can offer convex 1u.
Looks great. I've been thinking about joining the PBT gang since gmk can no longer deliver flat space bars ;D
buddy banana bars originated with PBT
I am aware. But at least with pbt I can just heat them up and flatten them.
Looks great. I've been thinking about joining the PBT gang since gmk can no longer deliver flat space bars ;D
buddy banana bars originated with PBT
I am aware. But at least with pbt I can just heat them up and flatten them.
ePbt is in the process of making new molds to fix this issue.
Small update here: KBDfans confirmed that the 1u convex keys will not be available with the current/new tooling. So these will be standard 1u keys, I hope that's alright with those that were interested in this detail.
Small update here: KBDfans confirmed that the 1u convex keys will not be available with the current/new tooling. So these will be standard 1u keys, I hope that's alright with those that were interested in this detail.
Please update the 1u labels in the kit image, or at least put a note next to it so no one is mislead by the OP. Thanks!
Small update here: KBDfans confirmed that the 1u convex keys will not be available with the current/new tooling. So these will be standard 1u keys, I hope that's alright with those that were interested in this detail.
Please update the 1u labels in the kit image, or at least put a note next to it so no one is mislead by the OP. Thanks!
Hi! I am holding off on doing this as it seems a few others who were planning ePBT sets assumed that 1u convex keys would be available. No promises, but we're trying to see what we can do to make them happen. I'll make sure to update the renders or add a clear disclaimer if we have to use standard 1u blanks.
Small update here: KBDfans confirmed that the 1u convex keys will not be available with the current/new tooling. So these will be standard 1u keys, I hope that's alright with those that were interested in this detail.
Please update the 1u labels in the kit image, or at least put a note next to it so no one is mislead by the OP. Thanks!
Hi! I am holding off on doing this as it seems a few others who were planning ePBT sets assumed that 1u convex keys would be available. No promises, but we're trying to see what we can do to make them happen. I'll make sure to update the renders or add a clear disclaimer if we have to use standard 1u blanks.
It would be great if they add 1uC tooling.
As of now, I'm considering these kits to be final. The only potential change is to the spacebar kit, if ePBT is unable to produce the 1u convex or 1.25u convex spacebars, the render will be updated accordingly. I will be submitting these kits to KBDfans for an estimate on pricing this evening.
This
- ISO-UK support was moved off to a NorDeUK kit, but now basic ISO support is incomplete in the Base kit and isn't usable as-is. To fix that, consider my previous suggestion (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108456.msg2954795#msg2954795) (change R4 \| to <>, add R3 ’ ‛ and ” ‟ to match the original Xerox 6085 keyboard's ISO layout).
- Alternatively, just go with terminal-style basic ISO (change R4 \| to <> and add R3 \|).
- In either case, \| should be moved from Base into NorDeUK so that all UK keys are grouped together in that kit. Also, <> will no longer be necessary in the NorDeUK kit as it will be present in Base.
- Same kit examples as in point #2 (#post_base_kit_2).
- Speaking of ISO, all Alt Gr keys should be moved to the NorDeUK kit since the Base kit is US-ANSI–based and doesn't have any sublegends.
just let it happen :D
- Not sure I see a point to having extra Print and Pause keys with LED windows. These keys do not use lock lights, nor can the LEDs under these keys be mapped to Num/Caps Lock on the vast majority of custom keyboards, except for boards that have per-key RGB matrices. Either way, this doesn't seem very useful, and this is the first set I've seen that has LED windows on Print and Pause. I would suggest removing them.
- Kit examples: any kit with windowed keys.
- R1 1u ⭠ (Backspace) isn't commonly used on ≥60% boards. Unless this key is something you personally use, I would suggest moving it from Base to the 40s kit.
- Kit examples: almost any base kit, since very few sets include this key.
NorDeUK kit
- As mentioned previously, R4 \| should be moved from Base into this kit, and R4 <> should be moved from this kit into Base.
- The R1 /`´ key (far right, third row from the top, used in Norwegian) is supposed to have a \ legend in the bottom-left corner, not /.
- References: 1 (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Possible-International-Kits-for-Custom-Sets/#NORDEUKPPP) 2 (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/A-Visual-Comparison-of-Different-National-Layouts/#no).
There are a few other, more minor issues, but I feel that this covers most of the major ones.[/list]
As of now, I'm considering these kits to be final. The only potential change is to the spacebar kit, if ePBT is unable to produce the 1u convex or 1.25u convex spacebars, the render will be updated accordingly. I will be submitting these kits to KBDfans for an estimate on pricing this evening.
Sorry, but I think you're jumping the gun here a bit. Your kits still have issues, so I think it's premature to consider them final at this point. I'll outline some of those issues below.
Base kit
- R1 1u End, Pg Dn should be moved to the Numpad kit, as these keys are only used on boards with numpads (1800/CP/96-key).
- Kit examples: 1 (https://i.imgur.com/Sh3qA8l.jpg) 2 (https://i.imgur.com/3ZO4xQc.png) 3 (https://i.imgur.com/xx9YSGY.png) 4 (https://i.imgur.com/Kc6NaOo.jpg) 5 (https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a02c663268b961642ad2bbf/1589683762245-0TEIHKM69ZMHL1LQIBES/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kPTrHXgsMrSIMwe6YW3w1AZ7gQa3H78H3Y0txjaiv_0fDoOvxcdMmMKkDsyUqMSsMWxHk725yiiHCCLfrh8O1z4YTzHvnKhyp6Da-NYroOW3ZGjoBKy3azqku80C789l0k5fwC0WRNFJBIXiBeNI5fKTrY37saURwPBw8fO2esROAxn-RKSrlQamlL27g22X2A/Kit_Num.jpg).
- R3 1u Pg Up, R4 1u Pg Dn should be added to the Base kit for coverage of modern 65%/75% layouts.
- Kit examples: 1 (https://i.imgur.com/v2hbpIH.jpg) 2 (https://i.imgur.com/z8uB8yq.png) 3 (https://i.imgur.com/iMQ0RX7.png) 4 (https://i.imgur.com/erSeXKb.jpg) 5 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106058.0).
- ISO-UK support was moved off to a NorDeUK kit, but now basic ISO support is incomplete in the Base kit and isn't usable as-is. To fix that, consider my previous suggestion (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108456.msg2954795#msg2954795) (change R4 \| to <>, add R3 ’ ‛ and ” ‟ to match the original Xerox 6085 keyboard's ISO layout).
- Alternatively, just go with terminal-style basic ISO (change R4 \| to <> and add R3 \|).
- In either case, \| should be moved from Base into NorDeUK so that all UK keys are grouped together in that kit. Also, <> will no longer be necessary in the NorDeUK kit as it will be present in Base.
- Same kit examples as in point #2 (#post_base_kit_2).
- Speaking of ISO, all Alt Gr keys should be moved to the NorDeUK kit since the Base kit is US-ANSI–based and doesn't have any sublegends.
- Not sure I see a point to having extra Print and Pause keys with LED windows. These keys do not use lock lights, nor can the LEDs under these keys be mapped to Num/Caps Lock on the vast majority of custom keyboards, except for boards that have per-key RGB matrices. Either way, this doesn't seem very useful, and this is the first set I've seen that has LED windows on Print and Pause. I would suggest removing them.
- Kit examples: any kit with windowed keys.
- Mod-colored R1 1u \| isn't commonly used in split backspace (https://i.imgur.com/J45RnFg.png?1) setups. Unless this key is something you personally use, I would suggest removing it from the kit.
- Kit examples: almost any base kit, since very few sets include this key.
- R1 1u ⭠ (Backspace) isn't commonly used on ≥60% boards. Unless this key is something you personally use, I would suggest moving it from Base to the 40s kit.
- Kit examples: almost any base kit, since very few sets include this key.
- The second R4 1u Ctrl key can be removed as it isn't useful for any modern boards larger than 40%.
- Same kit examples as in point #2 (#post_base_kit_2).
- R4 1.25u Menu doesn't seem like a very useful addition since there's already Fn in the kit.
- Same kit examples as in point #2 (#post_base_kit_2).
Hiragana & Cyrillic kitsSpacebars & 40s kits
- See here. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=108456.msg2954972#msg2954972)
- Kit examples: 1 (https://i.ibb.co/ygfmWgf/musubi-Base-Final.png) 2 (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735179686186844202/746114733308117053/gmk_js_kit_01_base.jpg) 3 (https://i.imgur.com/BIw2oxu.jpg) 4 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107255.msg2950982#msg2950982) 5 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104745.msg2956101#msg2956101).
- The 40s kit should have it's own space keys included. 40% users hate having to buy a separate kit to get space keys, which, by the way, are not optional for them.
- On a related note, double 1u space and 1.75u space are 40%-specific things and should not be included in the Spacebars kit, just the 40s kit.
- Please use EPBT Skadi (https://i.imgur.com/inXzsYS.png) and EPBT Be The One (https://i.imgur.com/fxpDzCq.png)'s kits as a reference to redesign your 40s and spacebars kit.
- I also don't think it's at all necessary to bloat the kit with both novelty and regular icons. It's better to stick to just one and use the remaining space to include more compatibility for 40s/ortho boards.
Numpad kit
- As mentioned previously, R1 1u End, Pg Dn keys should be moved into Numpad from Base.
- You may want to add a R1 1u = key for some numpad users (Mac, 96-key etc.).
- Same kit examples as in point #1 (#post_base_kit_1).
NorDeUK kit
- As mentioned previously, R4 \| should be moved from Base into this kit, and R4 <> should be moved from this kit into Base.
- The R1 /`´ key (far right, third row from the top, used in Norwegian) is supposed to have a \ legend in the bottom-left corner, not /.
- References: 1 (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Possible-International-Kits-for-Custom-Sets/#NORDEUKPPP) 2 (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/A-Visual-Comparison-of-Different-National-Layouts/#no).
There are a few other, more minor issues, but I feel that this covers most of the major ones.[/list]
Thanks for the feedback konstantin, you make some good points. I'll be taking some of these recommendations and will make one more revision to the kitting.
I personally like AltGr on ANSI boards, and wouldn't hate having it available in the base kit. I associate it with older/vintage ANSI boards, which this set is based upon.
I personally like AltGr on ANSI boards, and wouldn't hate having it available in the base kit. I associate it with older/vintage ANSI boards, which this set is based upon.
I actually also like Alt Gr on ANSI boards. I think we're in the minority, though. But if the designer decides to replace all Alts with Alt Gr, I'd be down for that.
I personally like AltGr on ANSI boards, and wouldn't hate having it available in the base kit. I associate it with older/vintage ANSI boards, which this set is based upon.
I actually also like Alt Gr on ANSI boards. I think we're in the minority, though. But if the designer decides to replace all Alts with Alt Gr, I'd be down for that.
I'm curious about the cost addition on the base kit for the 2 Alt Gr keys.
Wouldn't an Alt Gr key be useful for base + Cyrillic?
Regarding the R4 < > keys in base and norde, aren't they reversed?
> should be on top and < should be on bottom
...if ePBT is unable to produce the 1u convex or 1.25u convex spacebars, the render will be updated accordingly.
...if ePBT is unable to produce the 1u convex or 1.25u convex spacebars, the render will be updated accordingly.
Regardirg current kit renders in the OP: 40s has two 1u convex, and Spacebars has one 1.25u convex.
More<-- 40sShow Image(https://imgur.com/4a3kMck.jpg)
More<-- SpacebarsShow Image(https://imgur.com/HlMUq31.jpg)
So KBDfans will have convex tooling for 1u and 1.25u, right?
would an ergo kit be possible? there's a lot of neat icon variations that can be put on the 1.5u keycaps.
Apologies for the lack of updates for the past few weeks. I have been working to make a final wave of changes to the set:
- Corrected <> keys in the Base and NorDeUK kits
- Added new/corrected legends to the Hiragana and Cyrillic sets
- Changed "num lock" to "num" to make it consistent with the other lock keys
- Added 1u convex space to spacebars
I'm putting a hard lock on any further changes as I feel that we're finally in a good place. Everything has been sent to KBDfans for pricing and next steps.
Would you consider a SEA vendor?
Is it possible to add full purple accent keys for Esc and Enter to the base? Or maybe have an accent kit with Esc, Enter, arrows, and a few mods.
This is warm. I am in. Not so hot as if it would be made by Hammeworks, but it is understandable.
norde-kit means I'm buyingYea i feel the same, its like... You spend tons of money on a keycapset so you might as well spend a little extra and make the layout native to your language
1. Nice design—One of the very-few sets that offers legends for Sys–Rq and Break.
2. What are these keys for? Are they just for OG–accuracy?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rtONyHh.jpg)
1. Nice design—One of the very-few sets that offers legends for Sys–Rq and Break.
2. What are these keys for? Are they just for OG–accuracy?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rtONyHh.jpg)
Yes, the ‘’ and “ ” keys are there for OG accuracy as well as to provide basic ISO support in the base kit.
Additionally, I apologize for the lack of updates. I've been working on the set during my free time, but its just taking awhile for me to get everything just the way I want it in the ePBT template. The template they gave me was pretty scuffed so I've been busy fixing things like alignment with the existing legends, the size of legends, etc. I also had to create new Hiragana and Cyrillic sublegends because they were unable to provide the existing files for those.
That said, this set is obviously not going to run this year. Im hoping to get the template completed sometime this month, at which point I'll share the final design here and ask for samples to be made. I'm hoping for a late Q1 or early Q2 2021 GB - but it heavily depends on when I get the samples and if I need to make any adjustments.
Is there any discord where i can follow this set?
Also is the EU vendor written in stone? because maybe with the brexit all people outside great britain will have to pay customs, so maybe i just order from kbd
1. Nice design—One of the very-few sets that offers legends for Sys–Rq and Break.
2. What are these keys for? Are they just for OG–accuracy?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rtONyHh.jpg)
Yes, the ‘’ and “ ” keys are there for OG accuracy as well as to provide basic ISO support in the base kit.
Additionally, I apologize for the lack of updates. I've been working on the set during my free time, but its just taking awhile for me to get everything just the way I want it in the ePBT template. The template they gave me was pretty scuffed so I've been busy fixing things like alignment with the existing legends, the size of legends, etc. I also had to create new Hiragana and Cyrillic sublegends because they were unable to provide the existing files for those.
That said, this set is obviously not going to run this year. Im hoping to get the template completed sometime this month, at which point I'll share the final design here and ask for samples to be made. I'm hoping for a late Q1 or early Q2 2021 GB - but it heavily depends on when I get the samples and if I need to make any adjustments.
Thank you for the replay. Take your time, it is understandable that most of the GB's leaders are not full-time into designing MK's stuff.
On the set design, the special modifiers—those with arrows—may be included in the base set, and the mods with standard legends moved to a subset. Having the original modifiers in the base-set would make it more authentic and faithful to its original.
Any plans on adding another EU vendor since the UK won't be any longer part of the EU from 1st January 2021 on?
Furthermore, a few EU folks have expressed concerns surrounding additional fees/charges with ProtoTypist being the EU proxy. I spoke with Jae not long ago on this, and things still seem up in the air as to how finalizing the separation from the EU will impact this as negotiations are still in progress. I'm obviously hoping that things work out well, but I will continue to keep an eye on things.
Any plans on adding another EU vendor since the UK won't be any longer part of the EU from 1st January 2021 on?
Hi, I mentioned the brexit situation in an earlier post.Furthermore, a few EU folks have expressed concerns surrounding additional fees/charges with ProtoTypist being the EU proxy. I spoke with Jae not long ago on this, and things still seem up in the air as to how finalizing the separation from the EU will impact this as negotiations are still in progress. I'm obviously hoping that things work out well, but I will continue to keep an eye on things.
I do not currently have any solid plans to add an EU vendor. However, if it's ultimately what works out best for most EU customers, I'll try to see if something can be worked out between ProtoTypist and an EU vendor.
1. Nice design—One of the very-few sets that offers legends for Sys–Rq and Break.
2. What are these keys for? Are they just for OG–accuracy?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rtONyHh.jpg)
Yes, the ‘’ and “ ” keys are there for OG accuracy as well as to provide basic ISO support in the base kit.
Additionally, I apologize for the lack of updates. I've been working on the set during my free time, but its just taking awhile for me to get everything just the way I want it in the ePBT template. The template they gave me was pretty scuffed so I've been busy fixing things like alignment with the existing legends, the size of legends, etc. I also had to create new Hiragana and Cyrillic sublegends because they were unable to provide the existing files for those.
That said, this set is obviously not going to run this year. Im hoping to get the template completed sometime this month, at which point I'll share the final design here and ask for samples to be made. I'm hoping for a late Q1 or early Q2 2021 GB - but it heavily depends on when I get the samples and if I need to make any adjustments.
Thank you for the replay. Take your time, it is understandable that most of the GB's leaders are not full-time into designing MK's stuff.
On the set design, the special modifiers—those with arrows—may be included in the base set, and the mods with standard legends moved to a subset. Having the original modifiers in the base-set would make it more authentic and faithful to its original.
Sorry, I almost missed this. I'm keeping the OG modifiers in the novelties kit. I would definitely keep them in the base kit if this set was a replica set, but that's not really what it is. If this was a DCS Alps set I would probably go that direction. Lastly, I think a lot of people would prefer the more Cherry style icons, the 6085 ones are a little out there.
1. Nice design—One of the very-few sets that offers legends for Sys–Rq and Break.
2. What are these keys for? Are they just for OG–accuracy?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rtONyHh.jpg)
Yes, the ‘’ and “ ” keys are there for OG accuracy as well as to provide basic ISO support in the base kit.
Additionally, I apologize for the lack of updates. I've been working on the set during my free time, but its just taking awhile for me to get everything just the way I want it in the ePBT template. The template they gave me was pretty scuffed so I've been busy fixing things like alignment with the existing legends, the size of legends, etc. I also had to create new Hiragana and Cyrillic sublegends because they were unable to provide the existing files for those.
That said, this set is obviously not going to run this year. Im hoping to get the template completed sometime this month, at which point I'll share the final design here and ask for samples to be made. I'm hoping for a late Q1 or early Q2 2021 GB - but it heavily depends on when I get the samples and if I need to make any adjustments.
Thank you for the replay. Take your time, it is understandable that most of the GB's leaders are not full-time into designing MK's stuff.
On the set design, the special modifiers—those with arrows—may be included in the base set, and the mods with standard legends moved to a subset. Having the original modifiers in the base-set would make it more authentic and faithful to its original.
Sorry, I almost missed this. I'm keeping the OG modifiers in the novelties kit. I would definitely keep them in the base kit if this set was a replica set, but that's not really what it is. If this was a DCS Alps set I would probably go that direction. Lastly, I think a lot of people would prefer the more Cherry style icons, the 6085 ones are a little out there.
That's fair enough. I am in the minority that prefers actual OG's replica sets, but I admire the detail you put into getting the legends accurate, particularly the accents on the NordeUK set. Kudos for a good job.
You may consider full legends for the windowed keys:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Tp3QJJA.jpg)
You may consider full legends for the windowed keys:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Tp3QJJA.jpg)
Sorry, I decided to leave them as single line to keep it consistent.
From what a couple of people on Discord have said it seems like Hammer is back to communicating with people. So if this isn't set in stone for ePBT maybe try reaching out to him again? I know you said you tried in the past, just thought I'd throw this out there.
The Cyrillic and Hiragana sets may have their own 6.25u space–bars. Space–bars will have heavy use and it is always good to have a spare, handy.
I agree, there's really no point. It would just make the alt alphas more expensive. If you want extra spacebars then just pick up the spacebar kit and help it make MOQ.
The Cyrillic and Hiragana sets may have their own 6.25u space–bars. Space–bars will have heavy use and it is always good to have a spare, handy.
I would, but there isn't really an added benefit other than having an extra 6.25u spacebar. Without the base you can't really fill out any boards with the alphas + some other kit alone. And the color of the alphas won't pair with any other sets, so it's not like you could buy just the alphas and expect them to match some other epbt set.
The Cyrillic and Hiragana sets may have their own 6.25u space–bars. Space–bars will have heavy use and it is always good to have a spare, handy.
I would, but there isn't really an added benefit other than having an extra 6.25u spacebar. Without the base you can't really fill out any boards with the alphas + some other kit alone. And the color of the alphas won't pair with any other sets, so it's not like you could buy just the alphas and expect them to match some other epbt set.
Right, there is no source for a matching space-bar replacement. Give your customers the chance of getting an extra space-bar along with the alternate alphas, which is a plus. When your space-bar gets shiny—and it will, eventually—you will have a spare-one.
From what a couple of people on Discord have said it seems like Hammer is back to communicating with people. So if this isn't set in stone for ePBT maybe try reaching out to him again? I know you said you tried in the past, just thought I'd throw this out there.
Sorry at this point the set is firmly ePBT.
I'm super hyped for this set!I'll bring this to KBDfans' attention.
BTW, could you tell EPBT to fix their stepped caps lock? All the EPBT sets I have have a missaligned stepped caps lock keycap, it's too close to the A next to it. I guess the stem is not placed correctly.
I just received confirmation from KBDfans that this issue will be addressed with the new molds.I'm super hyped for this set!I'll bring this to KBDfans' attention.
BTW, could you tell EPBT to fix their stepped caps lock? All the EPBT sets I have have a missaligned stepped caps lock keycap, it's too close to the A next to it. I guess the stem is not placed correctly.
Isn't R3 \| still missing in Base/NorDeUk?
Just a couple weeks left. Can't wait!
On another note, I've updated the alternate alpha kits to include 6.25 and 7u spacebars and I've added the rest of the number row keys to the Cyrillic kit. This will allow people to use the alternate alphas standalone with mods from a different set on boards 65% or smaller if they wish.
These changes will not impact the cost of these kits.
Just to confirm - this set will be produced with the new molds?I just received confirmation from KBDfans that this issue will be addressed with the new molds.I'm super hyped for this set!I'll bring this to KBDfans' attention.
BTW, could you tell EPBT to fix their stepped caps lock? All the EPBT sets I have have a missaligned stepped caps lock keycap, it's too close to the A next to it. I guess the stem is not placed correctly.
That is correctJust to confirm - this set will be produced with the new molds?I just received confirmation from KBDfans that this issue will be addressed with the new molds.I'm super hyped for this set!I'll bring this to KBDfans' attention.
BTW, could you tell EPBT to fix their stepped caps lock? All the EPBT sets I have have a missaligned stepped caps lock keycap, it's too close to the A next to it. I guess the stem is not placed correctly.
loving this set but i have a really stupid observation: i can find no information that states whether this is made from ABS or PBT. yeah, it's ePBT but they also make ABS keycaps. i've looked at this IC and kbdfans (the only website so far with the set posted). fwiw, i've searched each page using " pbt" (space in front of pbt) and "abs"
loving this set but i have a really stupid observation: i can find no information that states whether this is made from ABS or PBT. yeah, it's ePBT but they also make ABS keycaps. i've looked at this IC and kbdfans (the only website so far with the set posted). fwiw, i've searched each page using " pbt" (space in front of pbt) and "abs"
Should be PBT
It is PBT :thumb:.
On another note, the GB post should be up soon!
Would be a buy for me if that was run in CRP
oh dang wasn't there another deskmat?
When did that get yeeted? I only see the one up on kbdfans
Would be a buy for me if that was run in CRP
my good dude: you registered your id yesterday and this is your 5th post. did you really mean to show up on the day nu_types' gb goes live (after months of planning and 5 pages of ic) just to say you're not gonna buy? is that really the introduction you want to make? just sayin', seems a bit rude. imagine talking like that irl to a person you just met and know nothing about
oh dang wasn't there another deskmat?
When did that get yeeted? I only see the one up on kbdfans
Yeah there was another design, but I dropped it awhile back. I felt like more than one deskmat was a little much for a set like this, and plus, I wasn't really feeling the light variant of the deskmat personally.
oh dang wasn't there another deskmat?
When did that get yeeted? I only see the one up on kbdfans
Yeah there was another design, but I dropped it awhile back. I felt like more than one deskmat was a little much for a set like this, and plus, I wasn't really feeling the light variant of the deskmat personally.Would be a buy for me if that was run in CRP
my good dude: you registered your id yesterday and this is your 5th post. did you really mean to show up on the day nu_types' gb goes live (after months of planning and 5 pages of ic) just to say you're not gonna buy? is that really the introduction you want to make? just sayin', seems a bit rude. imagine talking like that irl to a person you just met and know nothing about
Haha, no worries. No offense taken. People have their preferences and opinions and that's okay.
I have also registered before yesterday, it is a glitch, and neither this should matter.
How do the alpha colors compare to ePBT Grayscale? I'm assuming they're more beige? Trying to find 2.25u/2.75u spacebars to match Grayscale.