Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 15:43:53
(http://i.imgur.com/fyzLdsC.png)
What's special about this set?
- It's gorgeous
- <10 original sets are known to exist
- Made on the same machinery that made the originals
- Layout will cover nearly any keyboard out there
- Includes ISO keys
- Dope teal spacebars
- First time a GMK set has ever had a custom color, let alone 3
- Lowest price EVER on a GMK set!
More info in IC thread here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65724.0
User Vax (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16341) has offered to proxy orders for Germans who want to save money with shared shipping.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 24 March 2015, 15:45:22
Post by: billnye on Tue, 24 March 2015, 15:48:02
Post by: inanis on Tue, 24 March 2015, 15:49:25
Post by: Den441 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 15:52:02
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 24 March 2015, 15:52:33
Post by: monotagary on Tue, 24 March 2015, 15:54:06
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 15:54:31
Since you locked the IC thread, I guess I'll ask here. When did this get A-profile bottom row keys? I guess I need to read more carefully next time.
Since the second render or so, a long time ago... inspired by the AEG Olympia, so that winkey setups are mixed and winkeyless setups can be full A-profile
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2946/15301853109_1a0cc99c7a_h.jpg
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BM1cYde.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/WjINsJV.jpg)
Post by: mason on Tue, 24 March 2015, 15:54:38
Post by: vax on Tue, 24 March 2015, 15:55:27
Post by: wlhlm on Tue, 24 March 2015, 15:57:28
Germans: Contact me for shared shipping.Oh, I just wanted to ask how shipping was sorted out for Germany. So ultimately it goes through Massdrop in the US?
Post by: vax on Tue, 24 March 2015, 15:59:55
Germans: Contact me for shared shipping.Oh, I just wanted to ask how shipping was sorted out for Germany. So ultimately it goes through Massdrop in the US?
Yeah sadly it goes to the US and will be re-imported. Intelli spoke to the Massdrop guys so they tag the shipment correctly so German Zoll knows it's a re-import to not get charged twice.
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:03:01
Yeah sadly it goes to the US and will be re-imported. Intelli spoke to the Massdrop guys so they tag the shipment correctly so German Zoll knows it's a re-import to not get charged twice.
No! I did speak to them, but they do NOT pay VAT when they buy the set. That is up to European buyers. Nobody is getting charged twice, but there's no way around paying taxes.
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:03:53
Germans: Contact me for shared shipping.
What about custom fees? I guess a big parcel is more likely to be inspected than an inconspicious small one ;)
Post by: bazh on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:04:05
//order put in soon
Post by: vax on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:04:41
Yeah sadly it goes to the US and will be re-imported. Intelli spoke to the Massdrop guys so they tag the shipment correctly so German Zoll knows it's a re-import to not get charged twice.
No! I did speak to them, but they do NOT pay VAT when they buy the set. That is up to European buyers. Nobody is getting charged twice, but there's no way around paying taxes.
Allright, so we basically have to pay the 19% tax but no customs because Keyboard stuff is 0% in DE.
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:05:27
by the way, is it too optimistic to set the order time to just 12 days? Even smaller keyset GB took more than that if I remember rightI am sure if they feel the need to they will extend it. And shouldn't this be posted on some other forums as well, maybe some of the korean forums?
//order put in soon
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:06:30
by the way, is it too optimistic to set the order time to just 12 days? Even smaller keyset GB took more than that if I remember rightI am sure if they feel the need to they will extend it. And shouldn't this be posted on some other forums as well, maybe some of the korean forums?
//order put in soon
Absolutely on both counts. Who can help with posting on Korean (and Chinese, Vietnamese, etc) forums?
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:07:38
I would try and help with OTD, but I have no clue how to browse it, I only post in the attendance threads and whenever you post a thread. I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but I think billnye also goes on OTD.by the way, is it too optimistic to set the order time to just 12 days? Even smaller keyset GB took more than that if I remember rightI am sure if they feel the need to they will extend it. And shouldn't this be posted on some other forums as well, maybe some of the korean forums?
//order put in soon
Absolutely on both counts. Who can help with posting on Korean (and Chinese, Vietnamese, etc) forums?
Post by: bazh on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:09:24
by the way, is it too optimistic to set the order time to just 12 days? Even smaller keyset GB took more than that if I remember rightI am sure if they feel the need to they will extend it. And shouldn't this be posted on some other forums as well, maybe some of the korean forums?
//order put in soon
Absolutely on both counts. Who can help with posting on Korean (and Chinese, Vietnamese, etc) forums?
share it already with some of my Vietnam pal, pretty sure there'll be a small GB there as usual, hope the Chinese and Korean hops in soon, they always have large order in things like this
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:09:50
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:11:01
I am hoping to order a few more sets as well, hopefully 1 more.by the way, is it too optimistic to set the order time to just 12 days? Even smaller keyset GB took more than that if I remember rightI am sure if they feel the need to they will extend it. And shouldn't this be posted on some other forums as well, maybe some of the korean forums?
//order put in soon
Absolutely on both counts. Who can help with posting on Korean (and Chinese, Vietnamese, etc) forums?
share it already with some of my Vietnam pal, pretty sure there'll be a small GB there as usual, hope the Chinese and Korean hops in soon, they always has large order in things like this
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:11:11
I will post it on OTD. Just let me know what you want written and I'll get it translated + post it.
I don't think we need to post much other than the link and render... I trust they'll figure out the rest :cool:
Edit: The only thing might be a note about the color matching...
Post by: monotagary on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:19:33
I will post it on OTD. Just let me know what you want written and I'll get it translated + post it.
I don't think we need to post much other than the link and render... I trust they'll figure out the rest :cool:
A keyset this beautiful doesn't need words. :cool:
Post by: Keyzus on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:27:02
I'm the first to join, so the line starts behind me! :p
If you haven't signed up for Massdrop yet then use this link;
https://www.massdrop.com/r/DPU8G6 (https://www.massdrop.com/r/DPU8G6)
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Post by: mashby on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:29:10
Post by: zombimuncha on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:29:38
Is that a misprint?
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:30:14
Did Massdrop somehow get the MOQ lowered? I thought it was going to be 500 but on the MD page it's 125.
Is that a misprint?
Just the way their system works, we do need 500
Post by: vax on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:33:41
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:35:35
Why are the 1.25U mods in B-profile, with the arrows and numpad bottom row in A profile? That's just going to look a bit weird.I agree.
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:38:53
It's so winkeyless boards can be full-A profile bottom row.
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:44:04
Post by: drewba on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:48:16
Post by: 01111000 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:49:15
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:49:56
Why are the 1.25U mods in B-profile, with the arrows and numpad bottom row in A profile? That's just going to look a bit weird.It would be better if all the bottom row keys were in the same profile. But I guess they don't make 1.25 mods in A-profile. For the OCD, this is the death of a keyset. Unless you are using these on a winkeyless board, it's not gonna look right. But there are probably 500 buyers who aren't concerned with mixed profiles, right?
I have some winkeyless keyboards, of course, but I'm just not a fan of A-profile at all. :(
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:57:09
Why are the 1.25U mods in B-profile, with the arrows and numpad bottom row in A profile? That's just going to look a bit weird.It would be better if all the bottom row keys were in the same profile. But I guess they don't make 1.25 mods in A-profile. For the OCD, this is the death of a keyset. Unless you are using these on a winkeyless board, it's not gonna look right. But there are probably 500 buyers who aren't concerned with mixed profiles, right?
I have some winkeyless keyboards, of course, but I'm just not a fan of A-profile at all. :(
Sorry, as you know, can't please everyone. Would have used R5 1.25x keys if they existed. Not sure how anyone can seriously think this ruins the set, though. There are so many amazing things about it, nothing in this world is perfect, just can't understand this mentality. Same with those who threaten not to buy over the wrong winkey, etc. But it's a free country, do what makes you happiest ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:59:42
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 24 March 2015, 17:00:11
Why are the 1.25U mods in B-profile, with the arrows and numpad bottom row in A profile? That's just going to look a bit weird.It would be better if all the bottom row keys were in the same profile. But I guess they don't make 1.25 mods in A-profile. For the OCD, this is the death of a keyset. Unless you are using these on a winkeyless board, it's not gonna look right. But there are probably 500 buyers who aren't concerned with mixed profiles, right?
I have some winkeyless keyboards, of course, but I'm just not a fan of A-profile at all. :(
Sorry, as you know, can't please everyone. Would have used R5 1.25x keys if they existed. Not sure how anyone can seriously think this ruins the set, though. There are so many amazing things about it, nothing in this world is perfect, just can't understand this mentality. Same with those who threaten not to buy over the wrong winkey, etc. But it's a free country, do what makes you happiest ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It can be a serious concern for people using 1.25 mods with a compressed layout like MX-Mini and Lightsaver. And of course, for everyone else who might just be bugged by it. :P
Post by: billnye on Tue, 24 March 2015, 17:01:20
Post by: njbair on Tue, 24 March 2015, 17:09:20
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 24 March 2015, 17:09:48
#72 participant here, we'll see if I can swing for one more before the order window closes.I have you beat, #15
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 17:10:22
It can be a serious concern for people using 1.25 mods with a compressed layout like MX-Mini and Lightsaver. And of course, for everyone else who might just be bugged by it. :P
Fair enough, but to me it all comes down to compromise. I personally gave up things I wanted in this set, too. For example, I hate Win 7 and Win 8 logos but I used Win 7 to compromise. I didn't throw my hands up and rage quit the GB because of it - so I guess I don't have much sympathy for any buyers who want to do that. Of course, no one is being forced to buy, if it doesn't work for you it doesn't work, but I'm just not sure what is the point of fostering negativity at this point. Did my best to make this a flexible set while not letting it get bloated - the #1 killer of s GBs, and my best is all I can do.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 24 March 2015, 17:12:48
It can be a serious concern for people using 1.25 mods with a compressed layout like MX-Mini and Lightsaver. And of course, for everyone else who might just be bugged by it. :P
Fair enough, but to me it all comes down to compromise. I personally gave up things I wanted in this set, too. For example, I hate Win 7 and Win 8 logos but I used Win 7 to compromise. I didn't throw my hands up and rage quit the GB because of it - so I guess I don't have much sympathy for any buyers who want to do that. Of course, no one is being forced to buy, if it doesn't work for you it doesn't work, but I'm just not sure what is the point of fostering negativity at this point. Did my best to make this a flexible set while not letting it get bloated - the #1 killer of s GBs, and my best is all I can do.
I completely agree, and I respect all of the decisions you've made here. I am personally buying multiple sets, and am taking a few compromises myself (as are most other people, which is fine). I was just describing a scenario where the decision in question doesn't have quite as minor an impact as you showed. :thumb: That's all. :)
Post by: njbair on Tue, 24 March 2015, 17:14:34
#72 participant here, we'll see if I can swing for one more before the order window closes.I have you beat, #15
I just found out about it going live a little later. I'm sure nobody spent less time than me thinking about it once it went live.
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 24 March 2015, 17:17:53
Yeah, I only committed at this point.#72 participant here, we'll see if I can swing for one more before the order window closes.I have you beat, #15
I just found out about it going live a little later. I'm sure nobody spent less time than me thinking about it once it went live.
Post by: missalaire on Tue, 24 March 2015, 17:22:14
Yeah, I only committed at this point.#72 participant here, we'll see if I can swing for one more before the order window closes.I have you beat, #15
I just found out about it going live a little later. I'm sure nobody spent less time than me thinking about it once it went live.
Same, #70.
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 24 March 2015, 17:28:46
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Post by: njbair on Tue, 24 March 2015, 17:28:58
So since an original TA board to put these on is out of the question, what would be the closest currently-available board to match its shape and color? This set just belongs on a board with an oldschool wide bezel.
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 24 March 2015, 17:30:29
The fact that this buy already has nearly 80 committed orders seems like a good sign. I'm anxious to see what happens over the next few days.Almost any older G80 keyboard
So since an original TA board to put these on is out of the question, what would be the closest currently-available board to match its shape and color? This set just belongs on a board with an oldschool wide bezel.
Post by: anderssb on Tue, 24 March 2015, 17:31:22
Post by: strict on Tue, 24 March 2015, 17:38:05
My wallet is taking a beating today, so far I've bought and installed stainless brake hoses for my car, picked up another Realforce, and now another GMK key set :O
Post by: Fnzzy on Tue, 24 March 2015, 17:42:13
I should maybe buy a keyboard for this set so I can actually use it...
Post by: njbair on Tue, 24 March 2015, 17:44:40
I should maybe buy a keyboard for this set so I can actually use it...
We are all ridiculous. I mean, really.
But at least we're self-aware.
Post by: Fnzzy on Tue, 24 March 2015, 17:49:47
I should maybe buy a keyboard for this set so I can actually use it...
We are all ridiculous. I mean, really.
But at least we're self-aware.
Well I have keyboards that I can use it with, the thing is that I feel like this set should be used by a TKL board or larger to really pop. I also feel like it looks best on beige/silver keyboards.
Now the problem is that I have 2 silver 60% boards and I don't really want to buy another silver keyboard since I want variety.
Not to mention I still have to get a grey/black keyboard to match my GMK Dolch :-X
someone help me
Post by: njbair on Tue, 24 March 2015, 17:56:30
I should maybe buy a keyboard for this set so I can actually use it...
We are all ridiculous. I mean, really.
But at least we're self-aware.
Well I have keyboards that I can use it with, the thing is that I feel like this set should be used by a TKL board or larger to really pop. I also feel like it looks best on beige/silver keyboards.
Now the problem is that I have 2 silver 60% boards and I don't really want to buy another silver keyboard since I want variety.
Not to mention I still have to get a grey/black keyboard to match my GMK Dolch :-X
someone help me
I'm thinking about putting these on a board finished with a hydro-dipped wood grain pattern.
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 24 March 2015, 18:19:17
I'm just not sure what is the point of fostering negativity at this point. Did my best to make this a flexible set while not letting it get bloated - the #1 killer of s GBs, and my best is all I can do.
I know you did, and really, I'm not trying to foster negativity. I agree that this is not the point to discuss things like profiles. But I never knew about it before today, or I would have brought it up in the interest check.
Post by: Prankk on Tue, 24 March 2015, 18:22:03
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Tue, 24 March 2015, 18:22:25
Post by: jonathanyu on Tue, 24 March 2015, 18:23:00
A little bit off topic, why the led panel on the example board is grey and beige instead of blue and beige?
Committed two btw :thumb:
Post by: Binge on Tue, 24 March 2015, 18:27:58
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 18:28:48
I'm just not sure what is the point of fostering negativity at this point. Did my best to make this a flexible set while not letting it get bloated - the #1 killer of s GBs, and my best is all I can do.
I know you did, and really, I'm not trying to foster negativity. I agree that this is not the point to discuss things like profiles. But I never knew about it before today, or I would have brought it up in the interest check.
Alright man, fair enough though it was in render and I believe also a bullet point in IC. I know it's easy to miss stuff sometimes though, will try to make this kind of thing clearer in the future. Hope you are still on board.
Post by: Bromono on Tue, 24 March 2015, 18:38:44
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 24 March 2015, 18:39:58
Thank you for using Massdrop finally someone who knows that this system has a real chance of getting 500 plus world-wide easily. Word to the worn out and spent here on this forum, you can NEVER have enough GMK perfection hence buy it all up when it presents itself.
Always go into these Group Buys full bore and take no prisoners, this place isn't for the weak or hesitant. It's a place for extreme zealots that truly believe in a natural and perfect world covered in GMK key-caps 8) .
Post by: njbair on Tue, 24 March 2015, 18:46:11
Gonna skip this one. GMK is great... but Massdrop... :(
I know some folks have concerns about Massdrop messing up orders and such, but this one is basically being run by intelli78 and just facilitated by Massdrop. Even the keys themselves are coming pre-packed and pre-sorted, so there's really nothing to mess up.
Or is your reservation more ideological/philosophical?
Post by: morpheus on Tue, 24 March 2015, 18:54:35
Post by: ATXTider on Tue, 24 March 2015, 19:01:52
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 24 March 2015, 19:04:04
So with all this bottom row profile talk, what does it mean for those of us who would use this set on a board with winkeys?Depends if you are using a tsangan row or standard row. If you are using a 1.25 bottom row, it will look standard, if you are using winkeyless tsangan, it will look fine, but if you are using winkey tsangan it will look raised
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 19:11:27
Gonna skip this one. GMK is great... but Massdrop... :(
I know some folks have concerns about Massdrop messing up orders and such, but this one is basically being run by intelli78 and just facilitated by Massdrop. Even the keys themselves are coming pre-packed and pre-sorted, so there's really nothing to mess up.
Or is your reservation more ideological/philosophical?
Yes, these are all pre-sorted in plastic trays by GMK. Also, just from my personal conversations with Massdrop, I can tell you they are not keen to have any more keycap fulfillment issues.
So with all this bottom row profile talk, what does it mean for those of us who would use this set on a board with winkeys?
https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2946/15301853109_1a0cc99c7a_h.jpg
See how the arrows and numpad are a little taller than the Ctrl/Alt keys? That's what this set will look like if you're using winkeys. Winkeyless, it'll all be the taller variant. As Hoff said it could be a little clumsy on a layout like winkey Lightsaver, but for a TKL or full size board it will be virtually unnoticeable.
Just ordered 3 complete sets because being a GMK fanboy means you gotta go in hard every time :thumb: .
Thank you for using Massdrop finally someone who knows that this system has a real chance of getting 500 plus world-wide easily. Word to the worn out and spent here on this forum, you can NEVER have enough GMK perfection hence buy it all up when it presents itself.
Always go into these Group Buys full bore and take no prisoners, this place isn't for the weak or hesitant. It's a place for extreme zealots that truly believe in a natural and perfect world covered in GMK key-caps 8) .
My man.
Post by: Jokrik on Tue, 24 March 2015, 19:12:06
Any thoughts on what's the best case color to go with it? I know the classic beige color goes well...
Post by: tmk1207 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 19:42:46
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 24 March 2015, 19:46:51
i love triumph but MD don't shipping to Vietnam. I'm fell very sadI am sure you could find someone to proxy it to you.
Post by: Dee1 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 19:52:53
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 24 March 2015, 19:54:49
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 19:57:40
Finally placed my order for 3 sets. To any unfortunate soul coming to this thread months too late, PM me and I may have one available for sale at slight markup (interest rate charge). :thumb:
kapitalist scum
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 24 March 2015, 19:58:38
Finally placed my order for 3 sets. To any unfortunate soul coming to this thread months too late, PM me and I may have one available for sale at slight markup (interest rate charge). :thumb:
kapitalist scum
:rolleyes: ya, okie.
:P
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 19:59:56
Finally placed my order for 3 sets. To any unfortunate soul coming to this thread months too late, PM me and I may have one available for sale at slight markup (interest rate charge). :thumb:
kapitalist scum
:rolleyes: ya, okie.
:P
(http://i.imgur.com/nhAPpPZ.jpg)
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Tue, 24 March 2015, 20:01:07
Well said!!! :))Finally placed my order for 3 sets. To any unfortunate soul coming to this thread months too late, PM me and I may have one available for sale at slight markup (interest rate charge). :thumb:
kapitalist scum
Post by: shawn24 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 20:07:32
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 24 March 2015, 20:07:56
Well said!!! :))Finally placed my order for 3 sets. To any unfortunate soul coming to this thread months too late, PM me and I may have one available for sale at slight markup (interest rate charge). :thumb:
kapitalist scum
:| rude
Post by: luckyryan333 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 20:19:03
Post by: shower_king on Tue, 24 March 2015, 20:22:34
Post by: luckyryan333 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 20:28:57
I'm just not sure what is the point of fostering negativity at this point. Did my best to make this a flexible set while not letting it get bloated - the #1 killer of s GBs, and my best is all I can do.
I know you did, and really, I'm not trying to foster negativity. I agree that this is not the point to discuss things like profiles. But I never knew about it before today, or I would have brought it up in the interest check.
Alright man, fair enough though it was in render and I believe also a bullet point in IC. I know it's easy to miss stuff sometimes though, will try to make this kind of thing clearer in the future. Hope you are still on board.
Well, I've already mentioned it before...
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65724.msg1639353#msg1639353
already understood yours... anyway actually still leaves much to be desired... :(
no other way but for hoping for the next GB for the missing R4 6 keys in B-profile?
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 20:43:27
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 24 March 2015, 20:48:06
but dat massdrop doeI have personally never had a negative MD experience, but I always seem to see people complain. Have you had a negative experience with them?
Post by: monotagary on Tue, 24 March 2015, 20:52:47
but dat massdrop doeI have personally never had a negative MD experience, but I always seem to see people complain. Have you had a negative experience with them?
They hijacked his Gateron GB.
Post by: CommonCurt on Tue, 24 March 2015, 20:55:50
It's only $15 guys. Don't commit, just buy.
(Attachment Link)
To most people it probably makes more sense to them to commit if the MOQ is 500 anyways.
I don't know why they put the price tiers if it's 500 sets or nothing.
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 24 March 2015, 20:56:23
Completely forgot about that, which is justifiablebut dat massdrop doeI have personally never had a negative MD experience, but I always seem to see people complain. Have you had a negative experience with them?
They hijacked his Gateron GB.
Post by: monotagary on Tue, 24 March 2015, 20:58:26
It's only $15 guys. Don't commit, just buy.
(Attachment Link)
To most people it probably makes more sense to them to commit if the MOQ is 500 anyways.
I don't know why they put the price tiers if it's 500 sets or nothing.
MD is just weird like that.
Post by: Nai_Calus on Tue, 24 March 2015, 20:59:34
I've been eyeing this and passed on the Hyperfuse GMK buy because I knew this was coming.
HYPE. I love blues. Until someone makes a doubleshot sky blue and metallic silver set this will be pretty much the ultimate.
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 24 March 2015, 21:01:51
I was asleep when this went live so I was the lame position 103rd to join after a quick check of finances since I just bought a couple of artisans recently and an expensive keyboard, but as soon as I saw I had enough, boom.You can always sell those artisans :P That what I did to fund my Miami Twice purchase. I only committed right now.
I've been eyeing this and passed on the Hyperfuse GMK buy because I knew this was coming.
HYPE. I love blues. Until someone makes a doubleshot sky blue and metallic silver set this will be pretty much the ultimate.
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 21:08:05
I mean, I've also been in two buys where the shipping time was absolutely horrendous, and the savings never seem to balance out the shipping timeCompletely forgot about that, which is justifiablebut dat massdrop doeI have personally never had a negative MD experience, but I always seem to see people complain. Have you had a negative experience with them?
They hijacked his Gateron GB.
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 24 March 2015, 21:11:16
Yeah, I could have spent like 50 more cents to get a chiton sleeve in 2 days, rather than waiting 2 weeks. But I have gotten the tex acrylic case and the poker 2 w/; clears from there last november, so I can't really complain, since they were exclusives.I mean, I've also been in two buys where the shipping time was absolutely horrendous, and the savings never seem to balance out the shipping timeCompletely forgot about that, which is justifiablebut dat massdrop doeI have personally never had a negative MD experience, but I always seem to see people complain. Have you had a negative experience with them?
They hijacked his Gateron GB.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 24 March 2015, 21:23:18
Down for 2 sets.
Post by: GSimon on Tue, 24 March 2015, 21:32:21
I'm a bit disappointed about the extras in this buy compared to hyperfuse - I'd rather pay more and get extra keys but what the hell.
Down for 2 sets.
Well there are 3 custom colors also with this buy, so although the price is about the same as Hyperfuse (at its lowest tier) you're getting added value from that as well.
Post by: pr0ximity on Tue, 24 March 2015, 21:38:36
Post by: Joey Quinn on Tue, 24 March 2015, 21:40:20
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 24 March 2015, 21:41:01
This is probably the fastest I've ever spent $120.Not eating sandwiches?
Post by: shawn o on Tue, 24 March 2015, 21:41:56
Post by: Touch_It on Tue, 24 March 2015, 21:44:23
Post by: shawn o on Tue, 24 March 2015, 21:44:40
(http://precision-buys.com/images/oli.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QbptGG8.png)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 24 March 2015, 21:46:25
Why is the profile different from every other GMK set made so far?Show Image(http://precision-buys.com/images/oli.jpg)
Because this is a different set from every other GMK set made so far.
Post by: shawn o on Tue, 24 March 2015, 21:51:27
An actual pic of a modern keyboard such as a Filco with the mismatched bottom row should be on Massdrop so people know what they are buying.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 24 March 2015, 21:52:03
GMK group buys are hard enough to reach MOQ. Alienating anyone with a modern keyboard is a bad strategy.That would be hard to do since the caps don't exist yet.
An actual pic of a modern keyboard such as a Filco with the mismatched bottom row should be on Massdrop so people know what they are buying.
Post by: shawn o on Tue, 24 March 2015, 21:54:34
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:03:54
Well said!!! :))Finally placed my order for 3 sets. To any unfortunate soul coming to this thread months too late, PM me and I may have one available for sale at slight markup (interest rate charge). :thumb:
kapitalist scum
:| rude
Don't worry - I'm kapitalist scum too - bought two set extra sets of Hyperfuse GMK (in addition to the two for myself) solely to sell at an inflated price in a whiles time (think 30% premium). I seriously don't get why people think its bad - we're simply allowing people to enjoy a keycap set that might have been only available before their descent into mechanical keyboard madness
Post by: GSimon on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:04:17
R4 Profile arrow and numpad bottom row keys don't exist? I'm tying on a set right now.
The Triumph Adler set shown on Massdrop is not the exact set that is produced, the one that will be produced is based off the keyset design shown on the older keyboard layout. Notice how some of the alpha keys are different from the rendered mockup at the bottom.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:04:43
This is probably the fastest I've ever spent $120.Not eating sandwiches?
My close friend is a local sandwich maker so I get many discounts. ^-^
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:08:55
This is probably the fastest I've ever spent $120.
Try $507.00AUD for 3 sets ONLY 8) .
I've just seen some Slomoe's complaining about MASSDROP, lets get this clear right now I've bought lots of stuff from them all through 2014 and this year thus far, they have never missed sending me EVERYTHING I paid for. Plus they arrived in perfect packaging without any damage to any of my hardware and clothing.
Some items came in late but at least they still came through PLUS they have the lowest shipping costs of any company in charge of sending items all over the world (fact) :thumb: .
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:09:56
R4 Profile arrow and numpad bottom row keys don't exist? I'm tying on a set right now.
The Triumph Adler set shown on Massdrop is not the exact set that is produced, the one that will be produced is based off the keyset design shown on the older keyboard layout. Notice how some of the alpha keys are different from the rendered mockup at the bottom.
He's not talking about the pictures from the original Triumph Adler set - the concern is that the bottom row of arrow keys and the bottom numpad keys are being produced on an R5 profile rather than R4 profile like the rest of the keyset
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:10:17
What's special about this set?
- Lowest price EVER on a GMK set!
I understand wanting to hype this up but Sherry's original dolch full set was cheaper.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:11:59
This is probably the fastest I've ever spent $120.
Try $507.00AUD for 3 sets ONLY 8) .
I've just seen some Slomoe's complaining about MASSDROP, lets get this clear right now I've bought lots of stuff from them all through 2014 and this year thus far, they have never missed sending me EVERYTHING I paid for. Plus they arrived in perfect packaging without any damage to any of my hardware and clothing.
Some items came in late but at least they still came through PLUS they have the lowest shipping costs of any company in charge of sending items all over the world (fact) :thumb: .
The way they price shipping to Australia absolutely sucks though - completely scaleable with quantity.
I did notice though on their recent vortex doubleshot pbt groupbuy that they have started using DHL with actual tracking numbers which makes me happy.
Post by: Binge on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:13:03
Gonna skip this one. GMK is great... but Massdrop... :(
I know some folks have concerns about Massdrop messing up orders and such, but this one is basically being run by intelli78 and just facilitated by Massdrop. Even the keys themselves are coming pre-packed and pre-sorted, so there's really nothing to mess up.
Or is your reservation more ideological/philosophical?
Has to do with MD's relationship with GMK being a hurdle for future GBs.
Post by: GSimon on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:14:16
He's not talking about the pictures from the original Triumph Adler set - the concern is that the bottom row of arrow keys and the bottom numpad keys are being produced on an R5 profile rather than R4 profile like the rest of the keyset
true, my bad
Post by: njbair on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:16:31
Really, those are three sets that would not exist if not for the promise of future profit. And 30% markup is cheaper than it would be for those future buyers to pay GMK for a one-off.Well said!!! :))Finally placed my order for 3 sets. To any unfortunate soul coming to this thread months too late, PM me and I may have one available for sale at slight markup (interest rate charge). :thumb:
kapitalist scum
:| rude
Don't worry - I'm kapitalist scum too - bought two set extra sets of Hyperfuse GMK (in addition to the two for myself) solely to sell at an inflated price in a whiles time (think 30% premium). I seriously don't get why people think its bad - we're simply allowing people to enjoy a keycap set that might have been only available before their descent into mechanical keyboard madness
The only way I would take issue with this strategy is if you buying three extra sets at the GB price prevented three other people from doing so. But with an unlimited group buy this is not the case. Kudos to you on your investment.
Post by: njbair on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:19:01
You're worried they'll burn bridges between GMK and the enthusiast community?Gonna skip this one. GMK is great... but Massdrop... :(
I know some folks have concerns about Massdrop messing up orders and such, but this one is basically being run by intelli78 and just facilitated by Massdrop. Even the keys themselves are coming pre-packed and pre-sorted, so there's really nothing to mess up.
Or is your reservation more ideological/philosophical?
Has to do with MD's relationship with GMK being a hurdle for future GBs.
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:21:08
Well said!!! :))Finally placed my order for 3 sets. To any unfortunate soul coming to this thread months too late, PM me and I may have one available for sale at slight markup (interest rate charge). :thumb:
kapitalist scum
:| rude
Don't worry - I'm kapitalist scum too - bought two set extra sets of Hyperfuse GMK (in addition to the two for myself) solely to sell at an inflated price in a whiles time (think 30% premium). I seriously don't get why people think its bad - we're simply allowing people to enjoy a keycap set that might have been only available before their descent into mechanical keyboard madness
HEY, for those wanting to buy these and then sell them later that's the AMERICAN WAY buddy :thumb: . The lazy sh1t-bags who are either lazy or too stupid to see profit in this deserve to have their fat, lard-arses kicked with my Steel-capped sized 14's good and proper. If you don't like this gawd given existence in the FIRST world, fvck off to communist China or Russia and enjoy your frugal living there.
Sick and tired of seeing these rat-holed felchers, suddenly proclaiming successful people as something heinous and evil when they themselves would pick-pocket their own grandma for choc bars down their local 2 dollar shop.
Too all the LAZY bastards residing here on Geekhack, go get a JOB and earn the money to play here with the BIG BOYS, otherwise fvck-off and whine amongst yourselves back in your squats and dream of one day having a decent existence instead of sponging off everyone else here for key-sets and whatnot.
Post by: Binge on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:24:52
You're worried they'll burn bridges between GMK and the enthusiast community?
Not in that direction. It's complicated. I've had to deal with enough folks who are centered on how it benefits them to have someone else handle the "dirty" work so I'm gonna stay outta here for the remainder.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:29:31
Well said!!! :))Finally placed my order for 3 sets. To any unfortunate soul coming to this thread months too late, PM me and I may have one available for sale at slight markup (interest rate charge). :thumb:
kapitalist scum
:| rude
Don't worry - I'm kapitalist scum too - bought two set extra sets of Hyperfuse GMK (in addition to the two for myself) solely to sell at an inflated price in a whiles time (think 30% premium). I seriously don't get why people think its bad - we're simply allowing people to enjoy a keycap set that might have been only available before their descent into mechanical keyboard madness
HEY, for those wanting to buy these and then sell them later that's the AMERICAN WAY buddy :thumb: . The lazy sh1t-bags who are either lazy or too stupid to see profit in this deserve to have their fat, lard-arses kicked with my Steel-capped sized 14's good and proper. If you don't like this gawd given existence in the FIRST world, fvck off to communist China or Russia and enjoy your frugal living there.
Sick and tired of seeing these rat-holed felchers, suddenly proclaiming successful people as something heinous and evil when they themselves would pick-pocket their own grandma for choc bars down their local 2 dollar shop.
Too all the LAZY bastards residing here on Geekhack, go get a JOB and earn the money to play here with the BIG BOYS, otherwise fvck-off and whine amongst yourselves back in your squats and dream of one day having a decent existence instead of sponging off everyone else here for key-sets and whatnot.
God your posts are like prose
Post by: Lastpilot on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:39:33
Placed my order. LETS GOOO! :]
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:43:37
Try $507.00AUD for 3 sets ONLY 8) .
I've just seen some Slomoe's complaining about MASSDROP, lets get this clear right now I've bought lots of stuff from them all through 2014 and this year thus far, they have never missed sending me EVERYTHING I paid for. Plus they arrived in perfect packaging without any damage to any of my hardware and clothing.
Some items came in late but at least they still came through PLUS they have the lowest shipping costs of any company in charge of sending items all over the world (fact) :thumb: .
You do realise you are probably quite crazy? ;)
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:47:14
HEY, for those wanting to buy these and then sell them later that's the AMERICAN WAY buddy :thumb: . The lazy sh1t-bags who are either lazy or too stupid to see profit in this deserve to have their fat, lard-arses kicked with my Steel-capped sized 14's good and proper. If you don't like this gawd given existence in the FIRST world, fvck off to communist China or Russia and enjoy your frugal living there.
Sick and tired of seeing these rat-holed felchers, suddenly proclaiming successful people as something heinous and evil when they themselves would pick-pocket their own grandma for choc bars down their local 2 dollar shop.
Too all the LAZY bastards residing here on Geekhack, go get a JOB and earn the money to play here with the BIG BOYS, otherwise fvck-off and whine amongst yourselves back in your squats and dream of one day having a decent existence instead of sponging off everyone else here for key-sets and whatnot.
LOL!!! I was joking :-\ :))
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:47:37
Oh, I'm afraid he left crazy behind a few stages ago...Try $507.00AUD for 3 sets ONLY 8) .
I've just seen some Slomoe's complaining about MASSDROP, lets get this clear right now I've bought lots of stuff from them all through 2014 and this year thus far, they have never missed sending me EVERYTHING I paid for. Plus they arrived in perfect packaging without any damage to any of my hardware and clothing.
Some items came in late but at least they still came through PLUS they have the lowest shipping costs of any company in charge of sending items all over the world (fact) :thumb: .
You do realise you are probably quite crazy? ;)
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:47:45
Try $507.00AUD for 3 sets ONLY 8) .
I've just seen some Slomoe's complaining about MASSDROP, lets get this clear right now I've bought lots of stuff from them all through 2014 and this year thus far, they have never missed sending me EVERYTHING I paid for. Plus they arrived in perfect packaging without any damage to any of my hardware and clothing.
Some items came in late but at least they still came through PLUS they have the lowest shipping costs of any company in charge of sending items all over the world (fact) :thumb: .
You do realise you are probably quite crazy? ;)
I don't know about crazy, but he's definitely the Flava Flav of group buys, especially ones Bunny is involved with or that are in SA profile or will be in GMK.
Post by: strict on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:48:07
You do realise you are probably quite crazy? ;)
This is pretty much what I picture Elrick being like every time he gets in a new GMK shipment :))
(http://i.imgur.com/ltL9XtW.gif)
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:54:03
You do realise you are probably quite crazy? ;)
This is pretty much what I picture Elrick being like every time he gets in a new GMK shipment :))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ltL9XtW.gif)
I always pictured it more like this:
(http://odditymall.com/includes/content/usb-powered-humping-dog-1.gif)
or this with his friends:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5yrkXjSg4zY/Uxk6ZntLftI/AAAAAAACPIY/fyfcduNiV3E/s1600/gleeson+fassbender+hump.gif)
Post by: Wilba on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:54:39
You do realise you are probably quite crazy? ;)
This is pretty much what I picture Elrick being like every time he gets in a new GMK shipment :))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ltL9XtW.gif)
This is how I picture him:
(http://i.imgur.com/xe24SUe.jpg)
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:54:47
You do realise you are probably quite crazy? ;)
This is pretty much what I picture Elrick being like every time he gets in a new GMK shipment :))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ltL9XtW.gif)
Or an SP SA profile shipment!
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 24 March 2015, 23:24:05
Now that's out of the way, they also know nothing about "Geekhack" simply because if they ever knew back at my workplace, I'll be classed as the new "Mangina" looking to get my salad tossed by some apprentice, which is never going to happen in this lifetime.
No one has the idea I collect keyboards and the only other person that knows about my complete predilections in this way is my Mrs, so that's it 8) .
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 24 March 2015, 23:29:29
Just to let every other NERD here on this forum know, that no one in my world back here in the Convict Settlement has noticed my fetish for Key-caps.
Now that's out of the way, they also know nothing about "Geekhack" simply because if they ever knew back at my workplace, I'll be classed as the new "Mangina" looking to get my salad tossed by some apprentice, which is never going to happen in this lifetime.
No one has the idea I collect keyboards and the only other person that knows about my complete predilections in this way is my Mrs, so that's it 8) .
You don't have a mk at work? With no aftermarket keycaps?
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 25 March 2015, 00:02:19
You don't have a mk at work? With no aftermarket keycaps?
Where I work the only keyboards are oil spilled HP's and some older IBM membranes covered in red dust.
That is why no one cares about keyboards in my workplace because they're so crap in quality that no one pinches them. Although in the main boardroom within the Mining Engineer's office he has an LZ-GH which I gave him, that got me in his good books for life :thumb: .
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 25 March 2015, 00:05:05
You don't have a mk at work? With no aftermarket keycaps?
Where I work the only keyboards are oil spilled HP's and some older IBM membranes covered in red dust.
That is why no one cares about keyboards in my workplace because they're so crap in quality that no one pinches them. Although in the main boardroom within the Mining Engineer's office he has a LZ-GH which I gave him, that got me in his good books for life :thumb: .
So you're out in the Pilbara?
Post by: Joey Quinn on Wed, 25 March 2015, 00:09:00
You don't have a mk at work? With no aftermarket keycaps?
Where I work the only keyboards are oil spilled HP's and some older IBM membranes covered in red dust.
That is why no one cares about keyboards in my workplace because they're so crap in quality that no one pinches them. Although in the main boardroom within the Mining Engineer's office he has an LZ-GH which I gave him, that got me in his good books for life :thumb: .
That's a generous gift, can I be your coworker? ;)
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 25 March 2015, 00:10:28
So you're out in the Pilbara?
Over the border in the NT.
Post by: bazh on Wed, 25 March 2015, 00:29:48
//I atually hope for some vendor to jump in this GB, it's a good investment and good for the GB itself, many old GMK buy have proved that people don't know what the things are in GB but go crazy when the keycaps get made, they shout loud on the after market, so buying many set to sell it later is actually helping the GB though
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 25 March 2015, 00:38:04
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 00:57:12
At 209 and it hasn't even been 24 hours yet. Nice.
Yeah - and hasn't even been in an email campaign yet (not counting vote notification). :eek:
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 25 March 2015, 00:58:24
At 209 and it hasn't even been 24 hours yet. Nice.
Yeah - and hasn't even been in an email campaign yet. :eek:
(http://i.imgur.com/9RFWeSX.gif)
Post by: HalfSharkAlligator on Wed, 25 March 2015, 01:03:21
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 01:14:23
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9RFWeSX.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/tt4wO.gif)
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 25 March 2015, 01:23:01
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9RFWeSX.gif)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tt4wO.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/qS7v6Pu.gif)
Post by: bianco on Wed, 25 March 2015, 01:57:52
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Post by: feizor on Wed, 25 March 2015, 02:32:59
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 25 March 2015, 02:54:57
I just became number 212... told myself no more full sets until june, but GOT DAMN, this set... :o
It's this year, never before has so many BRILLIANT Group Buys come all together than now. We were lucky in the past to have two or three GMK full key-set buys a year but already we've been accosted with TWO that have taken off with such gusto you have to be in it to get them.
It's the power of a squad of people wanting something badly so that's what pushes the numbers towards extreme MOQ's, not easily reached here on Geekhack BUT miracles do happen sometimes.
Once someone tastes some GMK beauty they can NEVER have enough, simple law of attraction once the German Made keys come into your hands :p .
Post by: stoic-lemon on Wed, 25 March 2015, 03:01:46
Post by: Paranoid on Wed, 25 March 2015, 03:04:04
Figured this is a one time thing so why not. Even though I'm not a qwerty user ^-^
Post by: KnivesM on Wed, 25 March 2015, 03:27:42
Post by: Jokrik on Wed, 25 March 2015, 03:32:10
Once someone tastes some GMK beauty they can NEVER have enough, simple law of attraction once the German Made keys come into your hands :p .
When I hear German now:
- Beer
- Pork Knuckle
- Sausage
- Keycaps
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 25 March 2015, 03:58:09
In at #159, prefer PBT but figured I'd give GMK a shot with this and Hyperfuse, plus I doubt there will be another round for this with GMKs MOQ...
Very smart, once you get your first GMK set one is never enough.
Anytime a full GMK key-set Group Buy is run you have to jump on it like a crack-ho because nothing's more important than getting some pure GMK into your system 8) .
Post by: Moralless on Wed, 25 March 2015, 04:33:00
Post by: Sed8op8 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 05:59:32
First good laugh this morning thanks rowdy!Try $507.00AUD for 3 sets ONLY 8) .
I've just seen some Slomoe's complaining about MASSDROP, lets get this clear right now I've bought lots of stuff from them all through 2014 and this year thus far, they have never missed sending me EVERYTHING I paid for. Plus they arrived in perfect packaging without any damage to any of my hardware and clothing.
Some items came in late but at least they still came through PLUS they have the lowest shipping costs of any company in charge of sending items all over the world (fact) :thumb: .
You do realise you are probably quite crazy? ;)
Post by: billnye on Wed, 25 March 2015, 06:07:29
Finally placed my order for 3 sets. To any unfortunate soul coming to this thread months too late, PM me and I may have one available for sale at slight markup (interest rate charge). :thumb:
News just in: mods just here to make money
#banhoff2k15
Post by: CyriusG on Wed, 25 March 2015, 06:08:09
Happy to see that this GB is finally in fruition :D Really enjoyed the little history lesson about this keyset.. I had already committed to it the moment I saw it in my email earlier this morning and surprised that success this has gotten on it's first day :eek: almost at 250 orders and there's still 10 days left. I have full confidence that this keyset will make it.
We just breached 250 orders. :thumb:
Post by: mz/x on Wed, 25 March 2015, 06:27:36
Yeah sadly it goes to the US and will be re-imported. Intelli spoke to the Massdrop guys so they tag the shipment correctly so German Zoll knows it's a re-import to not get charged twice.
No! I did speak to them, but they do NOT pay VAT when they buy the set. That is up to European buyers. Nobody is getting charged twice, but there's no way around paying taxes.
Thank you for pulling this off!
By any chance, please let the Massdrop guys know that everything that is sent to the EU (including UK) should be marked re-import not just Germany. This will help a lot.
Thanx :-)
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 06:58:38
Yeah sadly it goes to the US and will be re-imported. Intelli spoke to the Massdrop guys so they tag the shipment correctly so German Zoll knows it's a re-import to not get charged twice.
No! I did speak to them, but they do NOT pay VAT when they buy the set. That is up to European buyers. Nobody is getting charged twice, but there's no way around paying taxes.
Thank you for pulling this off!
By any chance, please let the Massdrop guys know that everything that is sent to the EU (including UK) should be marked re-import not just Germany. This will help a lot.
Thanx :-)
Please explain further. As I already said, I don't think marking as a "re-import" is going to help you at all, because you wouldn't be paying twice. Massdrop is NOT!! paying VAT, that's up to you when it comes back into the EU, no way to avoid it! If you are talking about some other tax or duty aside from VAT, please clarify.
Post by: shawn o on Wed, 25 March 2015, 07:30:30
Post by: kacase on Wed, 25 March 2015, 07:41:15
Order N°10
Really looking forward to the caps! Although I am afraid that with the arrow keys and bottom numpad row not matching the height of the alphas the set will look **** on a Lightsaver, which i was planning to grab. With a gap in between (like on a TKL or 104/5) this wont be a problem. But for all of us, who want to use the set on a compressed board this is a no-go.
Maybe someone can explain me the reasoning, why the arrow and numpad keys were not made R4, seeing that 1u and 2u keys are definitley available in R4
I am really looking forward to these caps, but the fact that I cant use them on the keyboard I want makes me sad :(
Post by: feizor on Wed, 25 March 2015, 07:41:27
Does the price continue to drop if it hits landmarks above 500 such as 750 or 1000?
Don't think so. It didn't happen with the granite drop.
Post by: feizor on Wed, 25 March 2015, 07:42:55
I'm in!!
Order N�10
Really looking forward to the caps! Although I am afraid that with the arrow keys and bottom numpad row not matching the height of the alphas the set will look **** on a Lightsaver, which i was planning to grab. With a gap in between (like on a TKL or 104/5) this wont be a problem. But for all of us, who want to use the set on a compressed board this is a no-go.
Maybe someone can explain me the reasoning, why the arrow and numpad keys were not made R4, seeing that 1u and 2u keys are definitley available in R4
I am really looking forward to these caps, but the fact that I cant use them on the keyboard I want makes me sad :(
You can use the 1.5 winkeyless bottom row with the light saver for perfect fitment.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 25 March 2015, 07:47:19
I wonder of there is actually a limit to sets available. Production limitations or what not.
If GMK operates like I would expect them to, there is no limit. Bigger production runs are always better for business (fewer changeovers), barring material shortages. But since we'll be letting them know how many sets we're ordering ahead of time, they'll have all the materials on hand and that won't be an issue. :thumb:
Finally placed my order for 3 sets. To any unfortunate soul coming to this thread months too late, PM me and I may have one available for sale at slight markup (interest rate charge). :thumb:
News just in: mods just here to make money
#banhoff2k15
:(
Post by: Want on Wed, 25 March 2015, 07:50:47
I'm in!!
Order N°10
Really looking forward to the caps! Although I am afraid that with the arrow keys and bottom numpad row not matching the height of the alphas the set will look **** on a Lightsaver, which i was planning to grab. With a gap in between (like on a TKL or 104/5) this wont be a problem. But for all of us, who want to use the set on a compressed board this is a no-go.
Maybe someone can explain me the reasoning, why the arrow and numpad keys were not made R4, seeing that 1u and 2u keys are definitley available in R4
I am really looking forward to these caps, but the fact that I cant use them on the keyboard I want makes me sad :(
I kind of like it. I'm also in the IC for the next Lightsaver GB. Since there's no physical space dividing the arrow cluster from the rest of the board, I can imagine it feels divided from the rest of the board because of the different profile. Not that I've knowingly used a set with a profile like this before, but it looks kinda interesting imo.
I'm not all that hype about the colourscheme, but I feel inclined to order a set just out of respect for GMK and intelli78, cause this is a pretty cool thing going on.
Post by: kacase on Wed, 25 March 2015, 07:57:50
I'm in!!
Order N�10
Really looking forward to the caps! Although I am afraid that with the arrow keys and bottom numpad row not matching the height of the alphas the set will look **** on a Lightsaver, which i was planning to grab. With a gap in between (like on a TKL or 104/5) this wont be a problem. But for all of us, who want to use the set on a compressed board this is a no-go.
Maybe someone can explain me the reasoning, why the arrow and numpad keys were not made R4, seeing that 1u and 2u keys are definitley available in R4
I am really looking forward to these caps, but the fact that I cant use them on the keyboard I want makes me sad :(
You can use the 1.5 winkeyless bottom row with the light saver for perfect fitment.
Thanks for the quick answer!
I always thought about ditching the windows key, but never had the courage to take that step. I still use it e.g. for win+l locking my pc when i leave my room. But I guess I could map the few combinations i actually use onto other keybinds and release myself from the horrors of the winkey. :cool:
Post by: shawn o on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:00:08
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:01:09
(http://cfile1.uf.tistory.com/image/2604C0415347EBDD1D43F5)
A vs B profile...
(http://i.imgur.com/Wyi9cpv.jpg)
Post by: motherbrain on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:05:43
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Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:13:49
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:16:44
What's up with this?!?! CTRL
Is there a historical reason for that?
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:21:07
Post by: njbair on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:21:54
Post by: ideus on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:24:25
GMK Hyperfuse is the one to beat now. 618 sets sold.
Interesting. There are a few more GMK's GB to come, though.
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:25:08
If more people would just buy instead of committing we'd be so much better off. It's only a difference of $15 anyway
Why does it make such a big difference? Is it because it's easier for people to back out of the commitment?
Post by: motherbrain on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:27:08
If more people would just buy instead of committing we'd be so much better off. It's only a difference of $15 anyway.
because we have to get to 500 for the run to even happen. 500 is the actual moq
Post by: ideus on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:27:11
If more people would just buy instead of committing we'd be so much better off. It's only a difference of $15 anyway
Why does it make such a big difference? Is it because it's easier for people to back out of the commitment?
To drop the drop; even, when an individual has "bought" it, is pretty easy.
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:28:45
So, I'm trying to convince myself to order this set. I tell myself I can just use this strictly on winkeyless keyboards, so there will be no mismatched profile.
What's up with this?!?! CTRL
Is there a historical reason for that?
Same with PRTSC
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:29:31
I mean, sometimes it's a matter of saving $20 on an item that was originally $60, huge savings for someone who wouldn't really want the thing at MSRP. Here, it just seems like minimal savings on an item that probably won't be available ever again.If more people would just buy instead of committing we'd be so much better off. It's only a difference of $15 anyway
Why does it make such a big difference? Is it because it's easier for people to back out of the commitment?
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:29:59
So, I'm trying to convince myself to order this set. I tell myself I can just use this strictly on winkeyless keyboards, so there will be no mismatched profile.
What's up with this?!?! CTRL
Is there a historical reason for that?
Same with PRTSC
:facepalm:
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:30:35
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:31:46
With Massdrop running it, the fact that they had tiers much lower than that tells me that they're just buying it up to MOQ and will sell the extra sets later onIf more people would just buy instead of committing we'd be so much better off. It's only a difference of $15 anyway.
because we have to get to 500 for the run to even happen. 500 is the actual moq
Post by: ideus on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:35:38
Post by: Nai_Calus on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:37:28
I mean, Win 8 logo is a turnoff for me because it's hideously ugly, but the older style curved one looks fine, and keys that say 'Win' don't even have the logo. And I wouldn't not get a set I really liked just because it had Win8 logo win keys.
I just don't get it. I use the Win key several times a day because it's faster to type win+r and then calc or notepad or wordpad than go menu digging for them, or win+e to bring up windows explorer, or win+d to get to the desktop. Running the calculator especially since I can bring that up and use it without ever touching the mouse.
Personally I think the Win 7 logos on these look nice.
And yeah profile difference between bottom row of main section and arrows/numpad doesn't bother me. I'm moving my hand to a completely different section of the board anyway, I'm not even going to *notice* this.
...Hmm, not that I plan to get one of those lightsaver/red scarf type things, but I think I'd actually like a profile difference between mods and the bottom row of the numpad, keep me from accidentally hitting ctrl or 0 when going for the other, I'd think, since there's no gap to tell you you've switched.
I just don't get people. :P Like, all the whining about the ISO layout. People whine constantly on MD about there never being ISO sets, and when one goes up, they whine that it's not their own specific tiny subset only used in their country and a couple others. -_-
Ooh ooh let me try: Whine, there's no 6u spacebar, I can't put this on my Monoprice or Hacker layout Infinity. :P
Yeah, yeah, I know, I just made a post whining about people whining. ;P
Post by: strict on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:39:39
Either way I'm excited as hell to get my hands on these, but that profile difference will be one small blemish that slightly detracts from what would otherwise be an absolutely ridiculously awesome key set. That and the seemingly random keys that are all uppercase legends :))
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:42:43
(http://i.imgur.com/XBFBXA5.jpg)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:42:54
I'm really surprised about the R4/R5 stuff. Since I'm not going to be using this set on a compressed board like the Lightsaver or Redscarf it's not a deal breaker for me but it just strikes me as strange to cater those keys profiles to such a small niche of users (wkl) when the vast majority of people buying this set are probably going to be installing these on modern winkey boards. Even if other people don't notice it, I will ... and it will always bother me.
Either way I'm excited as hell to get my hands on these, but that profile difference will be one small blemish that slightly detracts from what would otherwise be an absolutely ridiculously awesome key set. That and the seemingly random keys that are all uppercase legends :))
+1
A set tailored for a few WKL users, when the "average" user (as intelli78 calls them on MD) will be using the mismatched profiles.
Post by: cjhard on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:47:32
Maybe I should get more boards...
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:50:05
I'm really surprised about the R4/R5 stuff. Since I'm not going to be using this set on a compressed board like the Lightsaver or Redscarf it's not a deal breaker for me but it just strikes me as strange to cater those keys profiles to such a small niche of users (wkl) when the vast majority of people buying this set are probably going to be installing these on modern winkey boards. Even if other people don't notice it, I will ... and it will always bother me.
Either way I'm excited as hell to get my hands on these, but that profile difference will be one small blemish that slightly detracts from what would otherwise be an absolutely ridiculously awesome key set. That and the seemingly random keys that are all uppercase legends :))
+1 I have to agree about the 1.25 profiles not matching, but I will be getting a set or two anyways.
Post by: motherbrain on Wed, 25 March 2015, 09:15:44
Uppercase legends aren't random. They are copied directly from ANSI TAvery nice... this is a thing of beauty! thanks for your attention to detail!!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XBFBXA5.jpg)
Post by: Jixr on Wed, 25 March 2015, 09:22:00
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
Post by: njbair on Wed, 25 March 2015, 09:29:28
this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
QWERTZ is a modern layout. It's just in a different language.
Post by: mz/x on Wed, 25 March 2015, 09:32:21
Yes, the duty. Theoretically it should not have any but a couple of times I was charged duty on keycaps.Yeah sadly it goes to the US and will be re-imported. Intelli spoke to the Massdrop guys so they tag the shipment correctly so German Zoll knows it's a re-import to not get charged twice.
No! I did speak to them, but they do NOT pay VAT when they buy the set. That is up to European buyers. Nobody is getting charged twice, but there's no way around paying taxes.
Thank you for pulling this off!
By any chance, please let the Massdrop guys know that everything that is sent to the EU (including UK) should be marked re-import not just Germany. This will help a lot.
Thanx :-)
Please explain further. As I already said, I don't think marking as a "re-import" is going to help you at all, because you wouldn't be paying twice. Massdrop is NOT!! paying VAT, that's up to you when it comes back into the EU, no way to avoid it! If you are talking about some other tax or duty aside from VAT, please clarify.
Post by: tjweir on Wed, 25 March 2015, 09:35:21
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 25 March 2015, 09:44:54
this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
That layout probably wouldn't have made it to production, so it would have been a pass anyway. At least this set will likely be produced.
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 25 March 2015, 09:47:56
this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
There's just no pleasing you with anything is there?
QWERTZ is such a minority layout that it doesn't really mage sense to do it, especially since QWERTZ is ISO, not ANSI. A layout like that would alienate almost everyone who would otherwise want the set. ISO kits are notoriously difficult to tip with SP minimums, a GMK one would have been impossible.
Post by: Bomble on Wed, 25 March 2015, 09:49:57
Post by: saturnotaku on Wed, 25 March 2015, 09:54:44
Post by: inanis on Wed, 25 March 2015, 09:59:52
It's so, so beautiful :( makes me wish I owned a novatouch, or SOMETHING MX-compatable.
This sounds to me like great logic to purchase another keyboard. Don't fight it.....
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 25 March 2015, 10:46:43
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 25 March 2015, 10:57:06
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:04:08
If anyone wants to sell me their WYSE Teal set to get money for this set, I'll be waiting for your PM.Haha, nice plan! ;D
Post by: Evo_Spec on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:14:57
Post by: jackiecanev2 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:17:11
Post by: Evo_Spec on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:18:07
....i finally got sucked in to GH and my first GH/MD buy. God, this set are gonna be nice on anything but my wallet.
Welcome to WalletHack, hope your posture gets better from having an empty wallet.
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:22:55
...i'm not sure ifi want thisorandto try and getsomeone's hyperfuse set.....
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:25:05
this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.You really thought there was a chance that we could hit MOQ with QWERTZ?
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
Post by: Evo_Spec on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:25:42
...i'm not sure ifi want thisorandto try and getsomeone's hyperfuse set.....
yeah....... -_-
Post by: Jixr on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:28:38
this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.You really thought there was a chance that we could hit MOQ with QWERTZ?
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
people are complaining about the all caps ctrl keys, and the bottom row profile. and the designer is saying that he wanted to copy it exactly, so why not just make it more appealing if you're not going to copy it exactly right?
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:29:24
this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version. (http://www.otd.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=album&wr_id=93774&sca=&sfl=mb_id%2C1&stx=st0525&page=5)
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:29:38
because the CTRL is an aesthetic decision, qwertz is a functional changethis sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.You really thought there was a chance that we could hit MOQ with QWERTZ?
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
people are complaining about the all caps ctrl keys, and the designer is saying that he wanted to copy it exactly, so why not just make it more appealing if you're not going to copy it exactly right?
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:30:28
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:33:03
this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version. (http://www.otd.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=album&wr_id=93774&sca=&sfl=mb_id%2C1&stx=st0525&page=5)
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
Ah, but is that 1.5u CTRL key in A-profile or B-profile?
Post by: inanis on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:36:58
this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.I don't understand....qwertz is a modern layout, it just isn't ANSI. There was a TA ANSI version as well.
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
Post by: Jixr on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:37:47
this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version. (http://www.otd.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=album&wr_id=93774&sca=&sfl=mb_id%2C1&stx=st0525&page=5)
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
Didn't know that existed. MD should update its pics with this instead. a few people on MD have already questioned the layout differences.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:39:11
I don't understand why people are complaining on here again about the keys in the set. Intelli said from the start that no changes would be made. I understand that the Massdrop crowd doesn't know that but we shouldn't have to bring up that topic again here. :))
People expressing their feelings makes the same, the wind flowing on a train does; which is nothing. But, it is fair to let them to express themselves.
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:40:57
Ah, but is that 1.5u CTRL key in A-profile or B-profile?A-profile :)
That's why we went with it.
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:42:46
Ah, but is that 1.5u CTRL key in A-profile or B-profile?A-profile :)
That's why we went with it.
I like your mockup for the classic beige set. Pretty much perfect. I just wish...
Post by: 3Love on Wed, 25 March 2015, 12:39:38
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 25 March 2015, 13:00:12
this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version. (http://www.otd.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=album&wr_id=93774&sca=&sfl=mb_id%2C1&stx=st0525&page=5)
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
Didn't know that existed. MD should update its pics with this instead. a few people on MD have already questioned the layout differences.
Thank you for your input.
Post by: dante on Wed, 25 March 2015, 13:05:14
Post by: drewba on Wed, 25 March 2015, 13:26:10
I feel bad butthis sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version. (http://www.otd.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=album&wr_id=93774&sca=&sfl=mb_id%2C1&stx=st0525&page=5)
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
Didn't know that existed. MD should update its pics with this instead. a few people on MD have already questioned the layout differences.
Thank you for your input.
(http://myreactiongifs.com/gifs/nicolascageconfusedemotions.gif)
Post by: cjhard on Wed, 25 March 2015, 13:46:24
Post by: shawn o on Wed, 25 March 2015, 13:47:15
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:12:46
So when is the group buy for the 7 missing B profile bottom row keys included with other GMK sets?
Dude.
Post by: Jixr on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:18:28
Thanks for keeping up the stigma that everyone on here are pompous ****s.this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version. (http://www.otd.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=album&wr_id=93774&sca=&sfl=mb_id%2C1&stx=st0525&page=5)
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
Didn't know that existed. MD should update its pics with this instead. a few people on MD have already questioned the layout differences.
Thank you for your input.
Post by: whentheclouds on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:19:17
So when is the group buy for the 7 missing B profile bottom row keys included with other GMK sets?yeah, wait until the buy is live to start whining instead of raising your concern in the 4 months long IC thread. piss off
Post by: BunnyLake on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:20:14
So when is the group buy for the 7 missing B profile bottom row keys included with other GMK sets?
Dude.
it seems odd not to include them, i personally like A profile, but as its a custom colour buy, it would have made more sense to include as much as possible first time around, as the chance of ever being able to add to it is incredibly small
that being said, its all locked in now so nothing to be done, everyone can vote with their wallet and whatnot
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:23:53
So when is the group buy for the 7 missing B profile bottom row keys included with other GMK sets?
Dude.
it seems odd not to include them, i personally like A profile, but as its a custom colour buy, it would have made more sense to include as much as possible first time around, as the chance of ever being able to add to it is incredibly small
that being said, its all locked in now so nothing to be done, everyone can vote with their wallet and whatnot
Oh absolutely, these are all valid concerns to bring up in the IC phase of the buy, no doubt about that. And heck, I agree with many of the complaints being mentioned in this thread. But the fact of the matter is that there will absolutely not be any more changes, so what's the point? At this point it's bordering on threadcrapping. Either buy it or don't, it's your choice, but there's nothing to be gained from complaining.
So when is the group buy for the 7 missing B profile bottom row keys included with other GMK sets?yeah, wait until the buy is live to start whining instead of raising your concern in the 4 months long IC thread.
^^
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:26:49
Thanks for keeping up the stigma that everyone on here are pompous ****s.
It's a joke from another thread.
That said, seriously, you need to just breath and relax. No one is forcing you to participate in the buy and there has already been a discussion in the Interest Check sub. Yes, some things were different than we thought they would be, but it's a novel buy with GMK unlike one that has been seen before and will likely not be seen again. Instead of complaining about everything (like you frequently do here), breath, ask if it's really important, and if you decide it is, ask about politely instead of immediately trashing it.
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:27:43
almost three hundred replies within a day - blockbuster thread for a blockbuster GB.So when is the group buy for the 7 missing B profile bottom row keys included with other GMK sets?yeah, wait until the buy is live to start whining instead of raising your concern in the 4 months long IC thread. piss off
No need to be rude. The A-profile bottom row and the CTRL and PRTSC legends were not even discussed in the IC thread. Believe me, had I paid more attention to the mockup after changes were made, instead of after the discussion was centered solely on the custom colors or the winkey legend, I would have brought it up long ago!!
So when is the group buy for the 7 missing B profile bottom row keys included with other GMK sets?
Dude.
it seems odd not to include them, i personally like A profile, but as its a custom colour buy, it would have made more sense to include as much as possible first time around, as the chance of ever being able to add to it is incredibly small
that being said, its all locked in now so nothing to be done, everyone can vote with their wallet and whatnot
Exactly. There is zero chance of getting 500 separate orders for a small pack like that, but those could have been added to every set for a few dollars.
That's why I CANNOT PURCHASE this set as-is.
Post by: bazh on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:28:53
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:32:38
Thanks for keeping up the stigma that everyone on here are pompous ****s.this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version. (http://www.otd.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=album&wr_id=93774&sca=&sfl=mb_id%2C1&stx=st0525&page=5)
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
Didn't know that existed. MD should update its pics with this instead. a few people on MD have already questioned the layout differences.
Thank you for your input.
You've been around long enough to know that's not true.
You've also been around long enough to know that complaining in this thread when the IC was open for so long is not going to change anything; it's just being obstinate and obstructionist.
No one is twisting your arm to buy this. We would love your support, and indeed the support of everyone else who isn't 100% satisfied with this set. We are all compromising in some way. Part of being in a community and doing stuff together. For example, I would really really love a 1.25x FN key for all my 60% boards (yes I have too many and yes I love them anyway). I won't use over 1/3 of the keys in this set. But I still support it because it's a solid piece of work, an amazing color way, it's GMK, and the guys who put this together deserve it.
If you don't want to do that, please don't stay here complaining.
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:35:48
Thanks for keeping up the stigma that everyone on here are pompous ****s.this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version. (http://www.otd.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=album&wr_id=93774&sca=&sfl=mb_id%2C1&stx=st0525&page=5)
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
Didn't know that existed. MD should update its pics with this instead. a few people on MD have already questioned the layout differences.
Thank you for your input.
You've been around long enough to know that's not true.
You've also been around long enough to know that complaining in this thread when the IC was open for so long is not going to change anything; it's just being obstinate and obstructionist.
No one is twisting your arm to buy this. We would love your support, and indeed the support of everyone else who isn't 100% satisfied with this set. We are all compromising in some way. Part of being in a community and doing stuff together. For example, I would really really love a 1.25x FN key for all my 60% boards (yes I have too many and yes I love them anyway). I won't use over 1/3 of the keys in this set. But I still support it because it's a solid piece of work, an amazing color way, it's GMK, and the guys who put this together deserve it.
If you don't want to do that, please don't stay here complaining.
If the people who are all "compromising" to get something that's kinda like what they want would simply abstain from the GB, it won't hit 500 MOQ, and we could start over and do it right. But go ahead, order away as-is!
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:37:40
Thanks for keeping up the stigma that everyone on here are pompous ****s.this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version. (http://www.otd.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=album&wr_id=93774&sca=&sfl=mb_id%2C1&stx=st0525&page=5)
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
Didn't know that existed. MD should update its pics with this instead. a few people on MD have already questioned the layout differences.
Thank you for your input.
You've been around long enough to know that's not true.
You've also been around long enough to know that complaining in this thread when the IC was open for so long is not going to change anything; it's just being obstinate and obstructionist.
No one is twisting your arm to buy this. We would love your support, and indeed the support of everyone else who isn't 100% satisfied with this set. We are all compromising in some way. Part of being in a community and doing stuff together. For example, I would really really love a 1.25x FN key for all my 60% boards (yes I have too many and yes I love them anyway). I won't use over 1/3 of the keys in this set. But I still support it because it's a solid piece of work, an amazing color way, it's GMK, and the guys who put this together deserve it.
If you don't want to do that, please don't stay here complaining.
If the people who are all "compromising" to get something that's kinda like what they want would simply abstain from the GB, it won't hit 500 MOQ, and we could start over and do it right. But go ahead, order away as-is!
Bro, you know if we go back to IC then it's impossible to get a consensus because we are all selfish jerks (me included) at our core and nothing will ever happen.
Post by: cjhard on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:39:57
Happily I would chip in my part and buy a few keys I'll never use (I do this already with numpad and homing/arrow clusters) just so more people would buy in, but the point is there will be a net of fewer people buying if we had this.
Cross your fingers Uniqey is all it's hyped to be and a successful TA buy could potentially mean they add our custom colors to their catalog. Until then, this buy is for what was finalized in the IC thread, of which is posted very clearly on Massdrop.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:40:55
Thanks for keeping up the stigma that everyone on here are pompous ****s.this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version. (http://www.otd.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=album&wr_id=93774&sca=&sfl=mb_id%2C1&stx=st0525&page=5)
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
Didn't know that existed. MD should update its pics with this instead. a few people on MD have already questioned the layout differences.
Thank you for your input.
You've been around long enough to know that's not true.
You've also been around long enough to know that complaining in this thread when the IC was open for so long is not going to change anything; it's just being obstinate and obstructionist.
No one is twisting your arm to buy this. We would love your support, and indeed the support of everyone else who isn't 100% satisfied with this set. We are all compromising in some way. Part of being in a community and doing stuff together. For example, I would really really love a 1.25x FN key for all my 60% boards (yes I have too many and yes I love them anyway). I won't use over 1/3 of the keys in this set. But I still support it because it's a solid piece of work, an amazing color way, it's GMK, and the guys who put this together deserve it.
If you don't want to do that, please don't stay here complaining.
If the people who are all "compromising" to get something that's kinda like what they want would simply abstain from the GB, it won't hit 500 MOQ, and we could start over and do it right. But go ahead, order away as-is!
I thought someone said massdrop was buying up to 500 to resell later? /me runs and hides
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:42:48
I thought someone said massdrop was buying up to 500 to resell later? /me runs and hides
That was speculation, and probably untrue.
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:44:00
Post by: cjhard on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:44:20
MOQ has already been hit - the $115 price point.
MOQ is 500 as previously stated. If we do not hit 500, I don't believe we get our keys.
I thought someone said massdrop was buying up to 500 to resell later? /me runs and hides
I can't see Massdrop dropping $500,000 in a wad of raw cash for a set of keys if We the People didn't give them that $500,000 in a wad of raw cash for the keys explicitly.
They'll more likely order a few spares "just in case" and sell them off in the Bazaar if they go unclaimed.
Post by: whentheclouds on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:44:36
No need to be rude. The A-profile bottom row and the CTRL and PRTSC legends were not even discussed in the IC thread. Believe me, had I paid more attention to the mockup after changes were made, instead of after the discussion was centered solely on the custom colors or the winkey legend, I would have brought it up long ago!!i don't know about you but i noticed both those changes since they were implemented into the mockup at the end of January. i even asked intelli about the A profile keys since i didn't know what they are and how they would fit on a WKL 75% board
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:47:41
No need to be rude. The A-profile bottom row and the CTRL and PRTSC legends were not even discussed in the IC thread. Believe me, had I paid more attention to the mockup after changes were made, instead of after the discussion was centered solely on the custom colors or the winkey legend, I would have brought it up long ago!!i don't know about you but i noticed both those changes since they were implemented into the mockup at the end of January. i even asked intelli about the A profile keys since i didn't know what they are and how they would fit on a WKL 75% board
No I didn't notice them at all, and if I had, I would have brought it up then. It makes me sad that this will probably go forward with those imperfections. Probably another option will come along later, though.
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:49:41
MOQ is 500 as previously stated. If we do not hit 500, I don't believe we get our keys.MOQ from GMK is 500. We are not ordering from GMK. We are ordering from Massdrop.
I don't have confirmation, but I do not think Massdrop would add a pricepoint for x amount of orders if more orders than that are required for a successful buy. That would be quite silly on their part.
Post by: cjhard on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:54:58
MOQ is 500 as previously stated. If we do not hit 500, I don't believe we get our keys.MOQ from GMK is 500. We are not ordering from GMK. We are ordering from Massdrop.
I don't have confirmation, but I do not think Massdrop would add a pricepoint for x amount of orders if more orders than that are required for a successful buy. That would be quite silly on their part.
I get where you're coming from, but check on page 1:
Did Massdrop somehow get the MOQ lowered? I thought it was going to be 500 but on the MD page it's 125.
Is that a misprint?
Just the way their system works, we do need 500
Post by: Jixr on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:55:23
Thanks for keeping up the stigma that everyone on here are pompous ****s.this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version. (http://www.otd.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=album&wr_id=93774&sca=&sfl=mb_id%2C1&stx=st0525&page=5)
It just went from insta-buy to pass.
Didn't know that existed. MD should update its pics with this instead. a few people on MD have already questioned the layout differences.
Thank you for your input.
No one is twisting your arm to buy this. We would love your support, and indeed the support of everyone else who isn't 100% satisfied with this set. We are all compromising in some way. Part of being in a community and doing stuff together.
If you don't want to do that, please don't stay here complaining.
I don't generally dabble in the IC thread too often, ( it scares my wallet ) but mainly on MD its a bit confusing to post the OG triumph layout and lots of people outside of GH are confused by the confliction. And sorry, while some people may be okay with compromise, I'm not going to drop money on stuff that I'm not 100% happy with. While I don't use the QWERTZ layout, I do like the appearance of the layout, and which is why i'm in a buy that has a layout like that. I was a bit disappointed because I've known of the triumph set, but was unaware of the IC or that there was an ANSI version of the keyboard. Just because people are not as familiar with the progress of the buy is as you are does not mean you should jump on them.
Just because the set isn't for me, does not mean i'm claiming the buy is crap just because its not exactly how I want it.
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:56:26
I get where you're coming from, but check on page 1:Ah right, thanks.
Silly Massdrop.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:09:21
Oh absolutely, these are all valid concerns to bring up in the IC phase of the buy, no doubt about that. And heck, I agree with many of the complaints being mentioned in this thread. But the fact of the matter is that there will absolutely not be any more changes, so what's the point? At this point it's bordering on threadcrapping. Either buy it or don't, it's your choice, but there's nothing to be gained from complaining.
Absolutely. This.
I was completely transparent about EVERYTHING during the IC. If you didn't notice legends, A-profile keys, or anything else, that's on you. It was all in the render and explained verbatim in the IC OP for months. Somebody said it's "different than we thought it would be." Not true, it's all there, in exhaustive detail. Go look. I assumed there was no debate because everyone was fine with it.
There will be no further changes, and whining isn't going to change anything now.
JD:
Whether "intentional" or not, you have been one of the biggest detractors of this effort since the beginning. I'm not just talking about being critical, which is fine and good. I'm talking about being toxic. You've never had a positive word to say. At first you just told me to give up because it was impossible. Now, after six months of IC have passed and the set is a reality, you are stirring up discontent here and in the Massdrop comments, even after I compromised on the winkey specifically for you and others because that was apparently the "make or break" issue.
Listen...the ship has sailed. I am so disappointed in you for not showing some leadership. You have seen enough GBs to understand that pleasing everyone is impossible, you included. You can't let the little things ruin the big picture; it's one set for 500-1000 different sets of preferences. Not everyone gets what they want.
Want to know something? I didn't even want to use A-profile keys at all. I argued against it and only conceded eventually because Photekq wanted it and he helped me so much. (And that is in no way an invitation to flame him, I am 100% behind him.) If I can get over it, and the winkey, and a handful of other things, so can you.
Here's the bottom line: this isn't the set for you. Don't buy it. Just don't mess up this thread, and especially don't mess up the Massdrop comments. I would never in a million years do this to you with one of your projects and I I think you know that. Please return the courtesy.
Same goes to everyone else who has a dealbreaker and feels the need to shout about it. I'm very sorry. But the decisions have been made. We aren't going back now; we can't. Time to move on.
Post by: motherbrain on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:33:22
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:39:58
Post by: Jixr on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:43:41
Post by: dimmu on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:45:19
Oh absolutely, these are all valid concerns to bring up in the IC phase of the buy, no doubt about that. And heck, I agree with many of the complaints being mentioned in this thread. But the fact of the matter is that there will absolutely not be any more changes, so what's the point? At this point it's bordering on threadcrapping. Either buy it or don't, it's your choice, but there's nothing to be gained from complaining.
Absolutely. This.
I was completely transparent about EVERYTHING during the IC. If you didn't notice legends, A-profile keys, or anything else, that's on you. It was all in the render and explained verbatim in the IC OP for months. Somebody said it's "different than we thought it would be." Not true, it's all there, in exhaustive detail. Go look. I assumed there was no debate because everyone was fine with it.
There will be no further changes, and whining isn't going to change anything now.
JD:
Whether "intentional" or not, you have been one of the biggest detractors of this effort since the beginning. I'm not just talking about being critical, which is fine and good. I'm talking about being toxic. You've never had a positive word to say. At first you just told me to give up because it was impossible. Now, after six months of IC have passed and the set is a reality, you are stirring up discontent here and in the Massdrop comments, even after I compromised on the winkey specifically for you and others because that was apparently the "make or break" issue.
Listen...the ship has sailed. I am so disappointed in you for not showing some leadership. You have seen enough GBs to understand that pleasing everyone is impossible, you included. You can't let the little things ruin the big picture; it's one set for 500-1000 different sets of preferences. Not everyone gets what they want.
Want to know something? I didn't even want to use A-profile keys at all. I argued against it and only conceded eventually because Photekq wanted it and he helped me so much. (And that is in no way an invitation to flame him, I am 100% behind him.) If I can get over it, and the winkey, and a handful of other things, so can you.
Here's the bottom line: this isn't the set for you. Don't buy it. Just don't mess up this thread, and especially don't mess up the Massdrop comments. I would never in a million years do this to you with one of your projects and I I think you know that. Please return the courtesy.
Same goes to everyone else who has a dealbreaker and feels the need to shout about it. I'm very sorry. But the decisions have been made. We aren't going back now; we can't. Time to move on.
well said. jd is starting to resemble that "final" boss that keeps making cameos on sequels. he was one of the first ones to outright say that this can't be done and yet here he is again saying he won't buy the set just because a few keys did not go his way even after half a year's worth of discussion. i don't understand what his goal is at this point.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:46:00
intelli its not your job to respond to everyone who has a question or a complaint. The buy is already live, its already tipped, and if the pace continues its going to be a pretty successful buy.
Thanks :thumb: I really want it to be a great thing for everyone, and to open doors for many new awesome GBs. I know it's not perfect, nothing is. But what's done is done, and just like you said, at this point let's enjoy what we do have and make this a success.
Post by: billnye on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:46:19
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:47:07
Here's the bottom line: this isn't the set for you. Don't buy it.
See, the thing is, I want it to be. Do you know how many group buys I buy into? You don't want to know. And maybe you're right. Maybe it is too late. But, then again, maybe it's not. Is there a chance, even a small one, that we could get an add-on set with the "missing" keys for a few dollars? I don't know the answer to that. But at least I'm trying. I don't feel I'm being "toxic" by speaking up for the silent majority.
Post by: dimmu on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:47:53
intelli its not your job to respond to everyone who has a question or a complaint. The buy is already live, its already tipped, and if the pace continues its going to be a pretty successful buy.
it hasn't tipped yet, it's either 500 buys or we get nothing. threadcrapping can still very much hurt this buy, which is why everyone is trying to stay positive.
Post by: Fnzzy on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:48:03
Post by: saturnotaku on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:48:13
intelli its not your job to respond to everyone who has a question or a complaint. The buy is already live, its already tipped, and if the pace continues its going to be a pretty successful buy.
^ This.
Especially in the Massdrop discussion. It's just causing a lot of clutter there, and probably a lot of undue stress on you.
One thing I would do, though, is ask MD to swap the first image under the initial paragraph of text to what you get in the box, which might help alleviate some of the confusion. You have to scroll down quite a bit to see what you're actually getting.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:51:15
Here's the bottom line: this isn't the set for you. Don't buy it.
See, the thing is, I want it to be. Do you know how many group buys I buy into? You don't want to know. And maybe you're right. Maybe it is too late. But, then again, maybe it's not. Is there a chance, even a small one, that we could get an add-on set with the "missing" keys for a few dollars? I don't know the answer to that. But at least I'm trying. I don't feel I'm being "toxic" by speaking up for the silent majority.
Unfortunately, it is too late because Massdrop cannot retroactively add onto people's committed prices, even by a few dollars. And besides, it all comes down to what I've said over and over, about the slippery slope. We add these, then voices from Europe get even louder about language packs, 1800 users will threaten to boycott if we don't add 0 and +, etc etc. There has to be a line somewhere, and I erred on the side of few keys. Maybe I messed up, I'll be sure to self-evaluate once it's all said and done. I'm not perfect. But the fact remains that this set has some kick ass features and it's cheap as hell. For $99, I think we can all live with a little compromise.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:51:47
If the set is pre-sorted, will it come in neat boxes or just thrown together into a plastic bag?
Plastic trays.
Post by: Jixr on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:53:16
Quote
One thing I would do, though, is ask MD to swap the first image under the initial paragraph of text to what you get in the box, which might help alleviate some of the confusion. You have to scroll down quite a bit to see what you're actually getting.Which that was my only complaint, as when I first saw the page i thought it was for the original layout, and is causing confusion with other people as well.
Post by: BunnyLake on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:53:45
intelli its not your job to respond to everyone who has a question or a complaint. The buy is already live, its already tipped, and if the pace continues its going to be a pretty successful buy.
actually, its precisely his job to make sure he answers everyones questions and complaints
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:54:59
QuoteOne thing I would do, though, is ask MD to swap the first image under the initial paragraph of text to what you get in the box, which might help alleviate some of the confusion. You have to scroll down quite a bit to see what you're actually getting.Which that was my only complaint, as when I first saw the page i thought it was for the original layout, and is causing confusion with other people as well.
Agreed, and asking.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:57:21
intelli its not your job to respond to everyone who has a question or a complaint. The buy is already live, its already tipped, and if the pace continues its going to be a pretty successful buy.
actually, its precisely his job to make sure he answers everyones questions and complaints
I tend to agree with Bunny, so I am trying to answer as many people as possible and be candid about why decisions were made.
At the same time, we need to unite and not be complaining about things that are set in stone, as it's only going to harm the effort. Complaints about things we can change, great. But the IC is done.
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:57:21
And besides, it all comes down to what I've said over and over, about the slippery slope. We add these, then voices from Europe get even louder about language packs, 1800 users will threaten to boycott if we don't add 0 and +, etc etc. There has to be a line somewhere, and I erred on the side of few keys.
I'm not talking about some esoteric layout like an 1800 or a European language pack, though. I'm talking about ANSI standard 104, which is what the vast majority of buyers will have, with a profile mismatch and a strange legend choice for one key.
I guess there's no point in even trying to make a go of an add-on pack? We just admit defeat?
Post by: cjhard on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:59:59
Post by: billnye on Wed, 25 March 2015, 16:00:05
(http://www.otd.kr/data/file/album/2099735584_3c46c929_PICT0888.jpg)And besides, it all comes down to what I've said over and over, about the slippery slope. We add these, then voices from Europe get even louder about language packs, 1800 users will threaten to boycott if we don't add 0 and +, etc etc. There has to be a line somewhere, and I erred on the side of few keys.
I'm not talking about some esoteric layout like an 1800 or a European language pack, though. I'm talking about ANSI standard 104, which is what the vast majority of buyers will have, with a profile mismatch and a strange legend choice for one key.
I guess there's no point in even trying to make a go of an add-on pack? We just admit defeat?
Post by: exitfire401 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 16:00:06
And besides, it all comes down to what I've said over and over, about the slippery slope. We add these, then voices from Europe get even louder about language packs, 1800 users will threaten to boycott if we don't add 0 and +, etc etc. There has to be a line somewhere, and I erred on the side of few keys.
I'm not talking about some esoteric layout like an 1800 or a European language pack, though. I'm talking about ANSI standard 104, which is what the vast majority of buyers will have, with a profile mismatch and a strange legend choice for one key.
I guess there's no point in even trying to make a go of an add-on pack? We just admit defeat?
As he's stated, it's not possible to do so within the Massdrop model. It would change the price for everybody, and that could be a breaking point for some. If it fails, maybe there will be further discussion, but with the amount of time left vs. how many orders are left to hit MOQ, I don't see that happening.
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 25 March 2015, 16:03:43
And besides, it all comes down to what I've said over and over, about the slippery slope. We add these, then voices from Europe get even louder about language packs, 1800 users will threaten to boycott if we don't add 0 and +, etc etc. There has to be a line somewhere, and I erred on the side of few keys.
I'm not talking about some esoteric layout like an 1800 or a European language pack, though. I'm talking about ANSI standard 104, which is what the vast majority of buyers will have, with a profile mismatch and a strange legend choice for one key.
I guess there's no point in even trying to make a go of an add-on pack? We just admit defeat?Show Image(http://www.otd.kr/data/file/album/2099735584_3c46c929_PICT0888.jpg)
Yeah, that board looks like poo, sorry. And it's not even the same as the one in the MD photos.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 16:04:39
And besides, it all comes down to what I've said over and over, about the slippery slope. We add these, then voices from Europe get even louder about language packs, 1800 users will threaten to boycott if we don't add 0 and +, etc etc. There has to be a line somewhere, and I erred on the side of few keys.
I'm not talking about some esoteric layout like an 1800 or a European language pack, though. I'm talking about ANSI standard 104, which is what the vast majority of buyers will have, with a profile mismatch and a strange legend choice for one key.
I guess there's no point in even trying to make a go of an add-on pack? We just admit defeat?
I understand what you're saying, but look: it is ANSI standard 104. Key profiles aren't a part of the ANSI standard. It's only a few mm. Most people won't know or care, and it allows WKL users--who will use the set it its most authentic format--to have all A-profile. It's a compromise, and I just frankly think it's silly to think that a couple mm profile difference, nicely split between segments of the keyboard, is a dealbreaker. Yeah it'll suck for winkey lightsavers, but... deal with it? Use it on a different keyboard?
Also, you say it's not an esoteric issue. I disagree. For you it's a dealbreaker. For other people, QWERTZ, Nordic language packs, 1800, etc, are all dealbreakers. Everybody has their own rock-solid preferences that they don't want to budge on. I disagree that this issue is more universal than any other one.
The whole point was to keep everything in one pack, no add ons, and I highly doubt we would meet MOQ for an addon pack.
Regarding the CTRL and PRT SC, not only are they authentic, I personally like them, and they are staying because dammit, I am going to get at least 1 thing i personally wanted. :)
Finally, it's not defeat... it's exactly by design.
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 25 March 2015, 16:07:45
Why does the original set have "CTRL" keys? Are there any other sets that have them? It is the only Cherry keycap set I know, that has these. This seems very odd to me. :rolleyes:
Post by: billnye on Wed, 25 March 2015, 16:08:51
I asked this at Massdrop, but nobody answer, so maybe someone here knows:A bunch of old Oli boards had them as well:
Why does the original set have "CTRL" keys? Are there any other sets that have them? It is the only Cherry keycap set I know, that has these. This seems very odd to me. :rolleyes:
(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/olivetti_zpsab286e5a.jpg)
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 25 March 2015, 16:09:01
Yeah, that board looks like poo, sorry.It's all a matter of opinion.
Post by: exitfire401 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 16:10:41
Yeah, that board looks like poo, sorry.It's all a matter of opinion.
Seconded. I like it. Also, MD overexposes photos of everything...so I'm not entirely surprised that it's not 100% accurate on their site. The same thing has happened with a few other keysets.
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 25 March 2015, 16:15:03
Yeah, that board looks like poo, sorry.It's all a matter of opinion.
Seconded. I like it. Also, MD overexposes photos of everything...so I'm not entirely surprised that it's not 100% accurate on their site. The same thing has happened with a few other keysets.
It's not the color...
Post by: motherbrain on Wed, 25 March 2015, 16:15:24
If you have any respect for me and the work it took to create this set, please do not turn this into a popcorn thread. And the above post is not personal attack on JD or anyone else. It's strictly about the comments being posted. I absolutely hate squabbling and it makes me sick that I even had to make my last post. I try to treat everyone on this forum with professionalism and respect. I am asking for the same in return, and a little bit of COMPROMISE, which is sorely lacking here.
i think you've done an amazing job with this group buy--i mean seriously, the numbers speak for themselves and we're not even 24 hrs in. you should be extremely proud of what you've accomplished--there are going to be a lot of people who are thrilled to get this keyset (myself included). there's a reason behind every choice you've made, and i respect that. you've tried to stay true to the original design as much as possible, but make some concessions for accessibility. there's always going to be nay-sayers, but they're outnumbered probably 50:1. Excellent job!!
i apologize for my attempt at humor fail.
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 25 March 2015, 16:15:30
Ah, thanks. Man these keys look delicious...I asked this at Massdrop, but nobody answer, so maybe someone here knows:A bunch of old Oli boards had them as well:
Why does the original set have "CTRL" keys? Are there any other sets that have them? It is the only Cherry keycap set I know, that has these. This seems very odd to me. :rolleyes:Show Image(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/olivetti_zpsab286e5a.jpg)
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 16:21:10
If you have any respect for me and the work it took to create this set, please do not turn this into a popcorn thread. And the above post is not personal attack on JD or anyone else. It's strictly about the comments being posted. I absolutely hate squabbling and it makes me sick that I even had to make my last post. I try to treat everyone on this forum with professionalism and respect. I am asking for the same in return, and a little bit of COMPROMISE, which is sorely lacking here.
i think you've done an amazing job with this group buy--i mean seriously, the numbers speak for themselves and we're not even 24 hrs in. you should be extremely proud of what you've accomplished--there are going to be a lot of people who are thrilled to get this keyset (myself included). there's a reason behind every choice you've made, and i respect that. you've tried to stay true to the original design as much as possible, but make some concessions for accessibility. there's always going to be nay-sayers, but they're outnumbered probably 50:1. Excellent job!!
i apologize for my attempt at humor fail.
No worries.
I have to sign off for now but I'll be back later tonight.
Post by: Bomble on Wed, 25 March 2015, 17:08:08
It's so, so beautiful :( makes me wish I owned a novatouch, or SOMETHING MX-compatable.
This sounds to me like great logic to purchase another keyboard. Don't fight it.....
I don't think my bank balance would be my friend for the next month or three... BUT I SO WANT TO
Post by: jonathanyu on Wed, 25 March 2015, 17:12:01
I asked this at Massdrop, but nobody answer, so maybe someone here knows:A bunch of old Oli boards had them as well:
Why does the original set have "CTRL" keys? Are there any other sets that have them? It is the only Cherry keycap set I know, that has these. This seems very odd to me. :rolleyes:Show Image(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/olivetti_zpsab286e5a.jpg)
Every time I see this picture :'(
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 25 March 2015, 17:17:17
I can feel you :'(I asked this at Massdrop, but nobody answer, so maybe someone here knows:A bunch of old Oli boards had them as well:
Why does the original set have "CTRL" keys? Are there any other sets that have them? It is the only Cherry keycap set I know, that has these. This seems very odd to me. :rolleyes:Show Image(http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp349/lysol8086/olivetti_zpsab286e5a.jpg)
Every time I see this picture :'(
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 25 March 2015, 17:33:41
Post by: Ouro on Wed, 25 March 2015, 17:38:06
Post by: rand77 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 17:46:28
Post by: quochung1989 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:11:54
Post by: ideus on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:19:10
Post by: cjhard on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:24:45
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:26:04
What is the purpose of this thread? The GB is an MD drop with its proper discussion forum now; thus, a GB thread at GH is redundant, in the best case, or a window for complains that is not benefiting the GB.to let people know it exists?
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:31:37
We're not changing the base set, but I'm willing to do one of two things.
1. Make a giant "everything else" set to be sold alongside the base set.
I'll comb through the IC, through the DT thread, through this thread, through Massdrop and reddit comments. I'll add every key that's been requested that makes a lick of sense to add. All the requested euro languages, alternate row 4 modfiiers, winkeys, hhkb, 1800, blanks, you name it.
We launch it as a drop in a few days time, so it has plenty of time to run alongside this one.
Everybody who wanted to add their own keys will get a chance, but they will reap what they sow: a high price and a high MOQ.
It will be a chance to put your money where your mouth is.
2. I'll tally up all the extra wanted keys in the same way, but I'll split them into child packs. So you'll be able to get only what you want at a cheaper price. Trade-off: it'll be highly fragmented and still have high MOQs, I doubt many packs will make it, if any. Not that the mega-pack would have a great chance either.
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I'll make the decision about (1) or (2) purely democratically. Have a vote, I'll defer to the masses completely. Then we'll do it ASAP, provided I can get Massdrop on board.
Then there can be NO further B1TCHING from ANYONE, no matter what the outcome is. Agreed? The community decides which approach to take, design by committee, and then everyone has equity of opportunity to purchase the keys he/she wants. Success proves the demand is there. Failure proves it's not. It doesn't get any more meritocratic.
This will be a referendum for the future as well, to gauge what keys actually have demand.
I don't predict it will be a success either way but I'll do it however you guys think will be best.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:33:28
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:34:35
If complaining and whining serve as advertising; then, keep this alive and kicking.If this thread wasn't here, how would people know when the buy dropped or where it even was?
Post by: ideus on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:35:44
I will make a deal.
We're not changing the base set, but I'm willing to do one of two things.
1. Make a giant "everything else" set to be sold alongside the base set.
I'll comb through the IC, through the DT thread, through this thread, through Massdrop and reddit comments. I'll add every key that's been requested that makes a lick of sense to add. All the requested euro languages, alternate row 4 modfiiers, winkeys, hhkb, 1800, blanks, you name it.
We launch it as a drop in a few days time, so it has plenty of time to run alongside this one.
Everybody who wanted to add their own keys will get a chance, but they will reap what they sow: a high price and a high MOQ.
It will be a chance to put your money where your mouth is.
2. I'll tally up all the extra wanted keys in the same way, but I'll split them into child packs. So you'll be able to get only what you want at a cheaper price. Trade-off: it'll be highly fragmented and still have high MOQs, I doubt many packs will make it, if any. Not that the mega-pack would have a great chance either.
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I'll make the decision about (1) or (2) purely democratically. Have a vote, I'll defer to the masses completely. Then we'll do it ASAP, provided I can get Massdrop on board.
Then there can be NO further B1TCHING from ANYONE, no matter what the outcome is. Agreed? The community decides which approach to take, design by committee, and then everyone has equity of opportunity to purchase the keys he/she wants. Success proves the demand is there. Failure proves it's not. It doesn't get any more meritocratic.
This will be a referendum for the future as well, to gauge what keys actually have demand.
I don't predict it will be a success either way but I'll do it however you guys think will be best.
This may help to allow this GB thread to be more focus in the features of the set, and less in whining.
Post by: whentheclouds on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:41:47
If this thread wasn't here, how would people know when the buy dropped or where it even was?maybe not for mortals like yourself, but thanks to my TA avatar i can read intelli's mind and knows exactly how he wants us to participate in the GB, as well as the color of his favorite pair of underwear
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:42:32
maybe not for mortals like yourself, but thanks to my TA avatar i can read intelli's mind and knows exactly how he wants us to participate in the GB, as well as the color of his favorite pair of underwear
Confirmed.
Post by: cjhard on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:46:19
My biggest fear? We reach MOQ on base set with minutes to spare, but Everything Else falls short, and people who don't know how to find Ø, Å, Æ, and Ä without looking brings us back below MOQ. If this were only Swedish-Dvorak, w/ inverted profile, I'd still buy it. Some folks would pay $1000 for the original no matter the language.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:48:54
It is entirely likely I will only ever use straight US ANSI on my 60% boards, however I'd still put dollars into the Everything Else bundle. I have my doubts it'll reach MOQ, and I have my fears people who require it to reach MOQ will cancel their base set if it does not, however it does serve as a good experiment. For science.
My biggest fear? We reach MOQ on base set with minutes to spare, but Everything Else falls short, and people who don't know how to find Ø, Å, Æ, and Ä without looking brings us back below MOQ. If this were only Swedish-Dvorak, w/ inverted profile, I'd still buy it. Some folks would pay $1000 for the original no matter the language.
The good news are: You are not a prophet, fortunately.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:50:26
I have my doubts it'll reach MOQ, and I have my fears people who require it to reach MOQ will cancel their base set if it does not,
This occurred to me as well. Perhaps we can spread the word and offer to do it, but only AFTER the base set is done; that forces people who think there is demand for their obscure layouts, to put their money where their mouth is. Could do the same way with child packs.
Post by: cjhard on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:52:57
Post by: ideus on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:53:02
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:56:20
Let the drop follows its course. Open an IC on add-on sets to be offered if the drop is successful; otherwise, there is no reason for follow ups.
I like this idea. Maybe I can get all the packs and renders prepared ASAP, to show off.
We'll just say, "if the GB is successful, we'll do a follow buy for all these, with X MOQ at Y price, can't guarantee what will happen, but we will offer the chance."
That's pretty solid.
Post by: Belfong on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:57:25
Thanks intelli.
Post by: cjhard on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:58:03
Post by: whentheclouds on Wed, 25 March 2015, 19:03:39
Hint hint to all the people, you can buy more qty now and resell to suckers who lost out on the base set but totally want in on the Everything Else pack later.i can already see the WTB posts in the classifieds after the mod set drops :))
Post by: reformingpanda on Wed, 25 March 2015, 19:08:07
I think you're letting the haters get the best of you. I think you've done a magnificent job managing this buy, especially considering the number of compromises made to give it the best chance of making MOQ. You've taken a hard look at what works and doesn't work and made decisions solely for the purpose of getting the set made. That's leadership.
I don't have any worries that the set will have enough orders to get made, but you know as well as I do that an "everything else" pack has little chance of success, let alone smaller packs. With such a high MOQ, there just isn't enough demand to warrant them. Just a very vocal minority. Proportionally, the number of people saying "No Nordic layout, I'm out!" is just minuscule. I feel like you're offering this option to get people off your back even though you know it's going to prove fruitless in the end.
Then again, what the hell do I know? I'm getting my set, that's all I really care about.
Post by: cjhard on Wed, 25 March 2015, 19:12:21
Hint hint to all the people, you can buy more qty now and resell to suckers who lost out on the base set but totally want in on the Everything Else pack later.i can already see the WTB posts in the classifieds after the mod set drops :))
Just imagine the WTS threads.
Posted by: Elrick
[WTS] entire hoard of GMK Triumph Adler. I bought 120 base sets. You pay S&H.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 25 March 2015, 19:16:26
Let the drop follows its course. Open an IC on add-on sets to be offered if the drop is successful; otherwise, there is no reason for follow ups.
I like this idea. Maybe I can get all the packs and renders prepared ASAP, to show off.
We'll just say, "if the GB is successful, we'll do a follow buy for all these, with X MOQ at Y price, can't guarantee what will happen, but we will offer the chance."
That's pretty solid.
By all means it is. Everybody will have a chance to get what exotic key they want.
Post by: pr0ximity on Wed, 25 March 2015, 19:16:45
Post by: Willyc277 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 19:19:03
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 25 March 2015, 19:32:39
(...), design by committee, (...)
The 3-word combination that I despise most. I vote the third way: keep everything as it is. And I say that being an ISO keyboard user.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 19:34:02
You've taken a hard look at what works and doesn't work and made decisions solely for the purpose of getting the set made. That's leadership.
Thanks... that is indeed what I have been trying to do.
I don't have any worries that the set will have enough orders to get made, but you know as well as I do that an "everything else" pack has little chance of success, let alone smaller packs. With such a high MOQ, there just isn't enough demand to warrant them. Just a very vocal minority. Proportionally, the number of people saying "No Nordic layout, I'm out!" is just minuscule. I feel like you're offering this option to get people off your back even though you know it's going to prove fruitless in the end.
You're not wrong, and I am not shy to say it. I think it'll be a huge flop, maybe you'll get one pack passed, maybe none. But I am willing to do it to ram the lesson down people's throats since they seem unwilling to take it any other way. Perhaps it'll clear the path for future GBs so there isn't as much whining.
Of course, there is also the off chance that a nice ISO pack or something DOES meet MOQ, in which case I am happy to be proved wrong, and that is also valuable info to have for the future.
But yes, overall people just aren't getting the message that adding niche keys is a slippery slope and losing battle, so I feel like I have to prove it to everyone now. I don't mean to sound arrogant or pessimistic, I am just being realistic.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 19:34:43
(...), design by committee, (...)
The 3-word combination that I despise most.
Could not agree more, but see my previous post for my reasoning.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 25 March 2015, 19:35:11
I can't believe there are adults here whining about missing keys or intolerable profiles. The people behind this openly debated all kinds of topics and where transparent to the fact that they knew not everyone in the world could be pleased. Now that time has passed and we are at the GB stage. Making changes to accommodate you and your vocal minority/silent majority would impact every single person who has already gone in on the set. Please stop being so short sighted. It doesn't matter if other GB's have made last minute changes in the past, it doesn't matter if other GMK sets have been all R4 profiled bottom row... it's up on MassDrop and it's locked.
If you think a custom coloured GMK set (or any set) with more profile option, Nordic support, qwertz layout etc. would be popular then roll up your sleeves and get an Interest Check going and we will all come an support your efforts ;D
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 25 March 2015, 19:36:35
(...), design by committee, (...)
The 3-word combination that I despise most.
Could not agree more, but see my previous post for my reasoning.
I read it. And I agree with everything.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 19:36:46
intelli78 and co., thanks and congrats for getting this project to the GB stage!
I can't believe there are adults here whining about missing keys or intolerable profiles. The people behind this openly debated all kinds of topics and where transparent to the fact that they knew not everyone in the world could be pleased. Now that time has passed and we are at the GB stage. Making changes to accommodate you and your vocal minority/silent majority would impact every single person who has already gone in on the set. Please stop being so short sighted. It doesn't matter if other GB's have made last minute changes in the past, it doesn't matter if other GMK sets have been all R4 profiled bottom row... it's up on MassDrop and it's locked.
If you think a custom coloured GMK set (or any set) with more profile option, Nordic support, qwertz layout etc. would be popular then roll up your sleeves and get an Interest Check going and we will all come an support your efforts ;D
There is a 0% chance of modifying what's already for sale. The only thing potentially on the table is adding additional option(s), and having heard ideus's thoughts, yes it would be AFTER the current buy ends.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 25 March 2015, 19:40:29
intelli78 and co., thanks and congrats for getting this project to the GB stage!
I can't believe there are adults here whining about missing keys or intolerable profiles. The people behind this openly debated all kinds of topics and where transparent to the fact that they knew not everyone in the world could be pleased. Now that time has passed and we are at the GB stage. Making changes to accommodate you and your vocal minority/silent majority would impact every single person who has already gone in on the set. Please stop being so short sighted. It doesn't matter if other GB's have made last minute changes in the past, it doesn't matter if other GMK sets have been all R4 profiled bottom row... it's up on MassDrop and it's locked.
If you think a custom coloured GMK set (or any set) with more profile option, Nordic support, qwertz layout etc. would be popular then roll up your sleeves and get an Interest Check going and we will all come an support your efforts ;D
There is a 0% chance of modifying what's already for sale. The only thing potentially on the table is adding additional option(s), and having heard ideus's thoughts, yes it would be AFTER the current buy ends.
I know that! ;)
I was suggesting that people who want something that isn't on offer in this GB to go and spearhead their own IC :thumb:
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 19:41:24
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 25 March 2015, 19:55:54
intelli78 and co., thanks and congrats for getting this project to the GB stage!
I can't believe there are adults here whining about missing keys or intolerable profiles. The people behind this openly debated all kinds of topics and where transparent to the fact that they knew not everyone in the world could be pleased. Now that time has passed and we are at the GB stage. Making changes to accommodate you and your vocal minority/silent majority would impact every single person who has already gone in on the set. Please stop being so short sighted. It doesn't matter if other GB's have made last minute changes in the past, it doesn't matter if other GMK sets have been all R4 profiled bottom row... it's up on MassDrop and it's locked.
If you think a custom coloured GMK set (or any set) with more profile option, Nordic support, qwertz layout etc. would be popular then roll up your sleeves and get an Interest Check going and we will all come an support your efforts ;D
There is a 0% chance of modifying what's already for sale. The only thing potentially on the table is adding additional option(s), and having heard ideus's thoughts, yes it would be AFTER the current buy ends.
IF add-on keys are subject to popular demand, I'll want to add all 8 keys that would make this set ABNT2-compatible. :D (Of course I have to hope that all of them are possible to be made doubleshot, but one can hope.)
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 25 March 2015, 20:15:36
I would like a "Windeaux" key, spelled just like that. I think a lot of Louisiana French-Southern descent keyboardists would agree.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 20:17:39
Oh great I can see it now:
I would like a "Windeaux" key, spelled just like that. I think a lot of Louisiana French-Southern descent keyboardists would agree.
Haha...
To be clear, this is not an open invitation to add whatever. I'm talking about all the usual suspects that have already been discussed.
Post by: strict on Wed, 25 March 2015, 20:23:07
Regarding the add-on pack, is it possible to have a higher price but with a lower MOQ? I would easily spend $50-75 if it meant getting a pack of keys to normalize the profiles and legends.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 25 March 2015, 20:30:26
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 20:35:12
The add-on pack should be kept within reasonable boundaries of keys, profiles and "colors"; for example, some special colored enter, escape keys may attract general attention turning them into an actual feasible GB; otherwise, exotic requests will make the add-on an unicorn, unlikely to reach MoQ, that will not benefit anybody.
Right, but at the same time, if you cut back too much then you just end up with the same problem: those who are left out will whine. If it happens, probably best to do child deals so pretty much every "reasonable" key is at least on offer. OF course they're all going to flop, but it seems like nobody will accept this until we actually go through the motions.
Post by: Nai_Calus on Wed, 25 March 2015, 20:36:29
This occurred to me as well. Perhaps we can spread the word and offer to do it, but only AFTER the base set is done; that forces people who think there is demand for their obscure layouts, to put their money where their mouth is. Could do the same way with child packs.
Yeah, after is better if you try to run something like that. Better to do one huge 'everything' pack I'd think. But of course that's assuming GMK goes for it, and I honestly really don't think it has the support - Look at all the tiny, cheap add-on packs from SP for specific layouts that consistently fail to tip again and again even with MOQs as low as 10.
TBH, looking at the numbers, Signature Plastics group buys have proven there isn't actually demand for these - Out of the last five completed SP group buys for full keysets, only 1976 had an ISO kit tip, and that only sold 17 units. A Deep Space blank ISO enter tipped, but not the actual ISO kit. Evergreen isn't looking like it's going to tip its ISO kit either. Out of all the ones listed on the page, only the following had an ISO kit or ISO Enter tip: 1976, Deep Space, Pulse, Nuclear Data, Granite, Skull Squadron. 6 out of 13 completed sets, Out of those, by far the most successful ISO/alternate language showing was Granite - With 41 text ISO enter sets, 23 blank ISOs, 34 International DE/FR/IT kits, and 25 International NO/SW/FI/DK/ES/UK kits(Neither of which contains the ISO enter)
Even a lot of alternate layout/add-on packs don't tip on SP. I just don't see it it meeting MOQ. Maybe I'm wrong and between the alternate layouts and people wanting their country you'd get enough to tip a megapack of alternate keys.
Man, all this toxic hate because it doesn't have the perfect keys for everyone. I want a 6U spacebar because I have two boards that use them, a teal ~/` key for symmetry, a 2U R3 Control key, Win95 logo keys, I want PRTSC to say PrtSc or Print Screen, and Planck support. That's not going to happen, but it's not going to keep me from getting this, nor am I going to complain repeatedly that it's not exactly the way I want it. (Especially since AFAIK 6u GMK space doesn't exist in the first place so I wouldn't get it ever regardless. :P)
These keys are gorgeous, Intelli, and you've done a great job getting this set brought to life when people thought it couldn't be done. Don't let the haters get you down.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 25 March 2015, 20:38:39
The add-on pack should be kept within reasonable boundaries of keys, profiles and "colors"; for example, some special colored enter, escape keys may attract general attention turning them into an actual feasible GB; otherwise, exotic requests will make the add-on an unicorn, unlikely to reach MoQ, that will not benefit anybody.
Right, but at the same time, if you cut back too much then you just end up with the same problem: those who are left out will whine. If it happens, probably best to do child deals so pretty much every "reasonable" key is at least on offer. OF course they're all going to flop, but it seems like nobody will accept this until we actually go through the motions.
You have proved to be an awesome mediator already with the main set, I am sure you will prove it again with the add-on(s) development. We should try to support you, instead of whining to make this, already successful GB, to turn into an awesome one. Let's do it.
Post by: Prankk on Wed, 25 March 2015, 20:39:12
Post by: motherbrain on Wed, 25 March 2015, 20:43:52
I will make a deal.I don't think you need to do either one, as this GB is awesome as-is. And the price--seriously nice job on negotiating it under a C-note!
....
1. Make a giant "everything else" set to be sold alongside the base set.
2. I'll tally up all the extra wanted keys in the same way, but I'll split them into child packs. So you'll be able to get only what you want at a cheaper price.
I'd probably spend $ on extras if given the option, preferably an option that includes one or more potato keycaps.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 25 March 2015, 21:30:31
I think this is a mistake. I don't think it will hit what will undoubtedly be a high MOQ (custom colors after all).
More importantly, I don't think it will teach the necessary lesson. What it will communicate is that if people whine and moan and toxic rage on a GB they can make changes happen even if it's too late or it had already been said "no changes" a billion times. And when it doesn't make MOQ they WON'T think it's because Intelli was right to not have done it in the first place. Our minds instantly go to the things that reinforce our established thinking, like "people are so stupid to not buy this" or "intelli didn't promote the add on enough bc he didn't want it" or whatever. So nothing will change in people's minds for the better but quite possibly could change for the worse.
Anyway, my $.02. Don't do it dude.
Post by: Wilba on Wed, 25 March 2015, 21:51:05
The argument will always be "you should have done X in the main deal" so why bother with all this child deal stuff... it won't prove your point, and it won't satisfy the whiners.
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 25 March 2015, 21:54:16
OF course they're all going to flop, but it seems like nobody will accept this until we actually go through the motions.
You see Intelli78, you are going through what all other GREAT organizers go through - the self doubt, the remorse, recriminations by a tiny few who think they're not listened to and of course the despondency in actually going through with this.
This is where you are tested to the maximum with every type of behaviour coming from an enormous amount of strangers and so-called friends. The trick is to maintain the ORIGINAL thought and design of your key-set and to keep faith with it. This is almost like a crusade to prove your worthiness to run an actual Group Buy via Massdrop and you will have everything thrown at you to dissuade your basic belief in yourself.
In the end it will all come down to your permanent trust in seeing this through. ALL GREAT GMK Group Buys travel that same road through doubters and disbelievers that will scream at you for ignoring their desires but in the end it all comes down to the finished product. This will be the most venerated "Triumph Adler" key-set available for 2015 and it just may be the last version of it ever seen again due to the preconditions connected with ordering from GMK.
BunnyLake will tell you (my own personal viewpoint) to maintain the faith and keep positive because there are far more of us here who believe in you and this TA version than you will ever know. So don't take to heart any negativity because the ones that are so fond of displaying this type of behaviour are far too few to even bother thinking about.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 25 March 2015, 21:56:59
OF course they're all going to flop, but it seems like nobody will accept this until we actually go through the motions.
You see Intelli78, you are going through what all other GREAT organizers go through - the self doubt, the remorse, recriminations by a tiny few who think they're not listened to and of course the depression in actually going through with this.
This is where you are tested to the maximum with every type of behaviour coming from an enormous amount of strangers and so-called friends. The trick is to maintain the ORIGINAL thought and design of your key-set and to keep faith with it. This is almost like a crusade to prove your worthiness to run an actual Group Buy via Massdrop and you will have everything thrown at you to dissuade your basic belief in yourself.
In the end it will all come down to your permanent trust in seeing this through. ALL GREAT GMK Group Buys travel that same road through doubters and disbelievers that will scream at you for ignoring their desires but in the end it all comes down to the finished product. This will be the most venerated "Triumph Adler" key-set available for 2015 and it just may be the last version of it ever seen again due to the preconditions connected with ordering from GMK.
BunnyLake will tell you (my own personal viewpoint) to maintain the faith and keep positive because there are far more of us here who believe in you and this TA version than you will ever know. So don't take to heart any negativity because the ones that are so fond of displaying this type of behaviour are far too few to even bother thinking about.
The Great Elrick has spoken!
Post by: motherbrain on Wed, 25 March 2015, 22:04:21
OF course they're all going to flop, but it seems like nobody will accept this until we actually go through the motions.
You see Intelli78, you are going through what all other GREAT organizers go through - the self doubt, the remorse, recriminations by a tiny few who think they're not listened to and of course the depression in actually going through with this.
This is where you are tested to the maximum with every type of behaviour coming from an enormous amount of strangers and so-called friends. The trick is to maintain the ORIGINAL thought and design of your key-set and to keep faith with it. This is almost like a crusade to prove your worthiness to run an actual Group Buy via Massdrop and you will have everything thrown at you to dissuade your basic belief in yourself.
In the end it will all come down to your permanent trust in seeing this through. ALL GREAT GMK Group Buys travel that same road through doubters and disbelievers that will scream at you for ignoring their desires but in the end it all comes down to the finished product. This will be the most venerated "Triumph Adler" key-set available for 2015 and it just may be the last version of it ever seen again due to the preconditions connected with ordering from GMK.
BunnyLake will tell you (my own personal viewpoint) to maintain the faith and keep positive because there are far more of us here who believe in you and this TA version than you will ever know. So don't take to heart any negativity because the ones that are so fond of displaying this type of behaviour are far too few to even bother thinking about.
The Great Elrick has spoken!
agreed. you shouldn't change a thing. you don't need the stress that would accompany the changes. catch-22, as it will never be good enough for everyone.
Post by: bueller on Wed, 25 March 2015, 22:04:28
Oh absolutely, these are all valid concerns to bring up in the IC phase of the buy, no doubt about that. And heck, I agree with many of the complaints being mentioned in this thread. But the fact of the matter is that there will absolutely not be any more changes, so what's the point? At this point it's bordering on threadcrapping. Either buy it or don't, it's your choice, but there's nothing to be gained from complaining.
Absolutely. This.
I was completely transparent about EVERYTHING during the IC. If you didn't notice legends, A-profile keys, or anything else, that's on you. It was all in the render and explained verbatim in the IC OP for months. Somebody said it's "different than we thought it would be." Not true, it's all there, in exhaustive detail. Go look. I assumed there was no debate because everyone was fine with it.
To be fair, you made SO MANY changes to that OP and render without mentioning them in the thread. Almost every time I checked it there were new changes, how the hell are people supposed to keep up? Personally I agree with a lot of what JD has said. Look at the winkeys for an example - until I brought that up no-one had a clue we were getting pad-printed ones.
Honestly man I respect what you've done with this GB but it pisses me off that you can't handle constructive criticism. You were dismissive as hell about the winkeys when I first brought it up and it wasn't until everyone else jumped on board that you finally relented and went with what people actually wanted.
Post by: rand77 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 22:16:08
The funny thing is that I've never actually used ABS keycaps for any long period of time, I've immediately replaced stock keycaps with PBT. Do I have to worry about shine / textures issues in the long run on a set like this? Or do they hold up better than regular ABS keycaps?
I'm trying to justify if I should get 2 sets ;D
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 25 March 2015, 22:45:05
Do I have to worry about shine / textures issues in the long run on a set like this? Or do they hold up better than regular ABS keycaps?
This German made ABS is quite sturdy, the only way of approaching a perfect shine/glossy finish on these babies is to rub some 1200 wet and dry over it for several hours then you'll get a shiny finish. In real terms you would have to type daily on this key-set for 12 hours and continue that shift for another 12 years.
If you can survive that type of intense usage you shall then get a glossy finish on these keys 8) .
Post by: Willyc277 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 22:45:14
Oh great I can see it now:
I would like a "Windeaux" key, spelled just like that. I think a lot of Louisiana French-Southern descent keyboardists would agree.
10/10 would buy.
Do you have any Cajun/creole heritage?
Post by: whentheclouds on Thu, 26 March 2015, 01:29:48
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 26 March 2015, 01:32:21
Post by: Joey Quinn on Thu, 26 March 2015, 01:38:24
154 more to go live. Just a hair under 70% of the way there.
I feel like more awesome GMK would hit MOQ if the sets spent as long in the IC stage as this did.
Also if we spaced them out a bit.
Post by: byker on Thu, 26 March 2015, 02:07:52
does any Canuck here have prior experience with MD? what kind of extra fees should i expect if there are any?
It is hit or miss on if you get hit by customs, not really up to MD. I haven't been hit on customs by anything that I have bought on MD, but some friends have.
Post by: rand77 on Thu, 26 March 2015, 02:18:32
does any Canuck here have prior experience with MD? what kind of extra fees should i expect if there are any?
Most like nothing since they now ship USPS to Canada. There is always possibility of getting hit with taxes for higher value items. It seems like 90% of packages go through without getting checked by customs.
Post by: madhias on Thu, 26 March 2015, 02:31:36
does any Canuck here have prior experience with MD? what kind of extra fees should i expect if there are any?
If you don't have to pay customs were you are located, you should have no problem. I am not sure if they had some problems with wrong keys (at the Granite Round 2 GB).
I had to pay way too much customs, since they wrote wrong values onto the package.
Post by: kacase on Thu, 26 March 2015, 02:51:41
To be fair, you made SO MANY changes to that OP and render without mentioning them in the thread. Almost every time I checked it there were new changes, how the hell are people supposed to keep up? Personally I agree with a lot of what JD has said. Look at the winkeys for an example - until I brought that up no-one had a clue we were getting pad-printed ones.
Honestly man I respect what you've done with this GB but it pisses me off that you can't handle constructive criticism. You were dismissive as hell about the winkeys when I first brought it up and it wasn't until everyone else jumped on board that you finally relented and went with what people actually wanted.
I completely agree with bueller. The IC Thread was extremely confusing. The only way to find out what the set would be in the end was to battle ones way through all the posts in the IC. The first post was being updated, but still didn't include all the information; some bits were inaccurate and some not stressed enough.
Want to know something? I didn't even want to use A-profile keys at all. I argued against it and only conceded eventually because Photekq wanted it and he helped me so much. (And that is in no way an invitation to flame him, I am 100% behind him.) If I can get over it, and the winkey, and a handful of other things, so can you.
Here's the bottom line: this isn't the set for you. Don't buy it. Just don't mess up this thread, and especially don't mess up the Massdrop comments. I would never in a million years do this to you with one of your projects and I I think you know that. Please return the courtesy.
Same goes to everyone else who has a dealbreaker and feels the need to shout about it. I'm very sorry. But the decisions have been made. We aren't going back now; we can't. Time to move on.
The thing that I probably find worst is that you apparently made the A Profile decision just "because photekq wanted it". In all other posts you stressed how all decisions were influenced by the IC and then you let personal favours get the better of you. In a project such as a group buy with over 500 participants this should totally not happen. You have to agree that the criticism of vast majority in this thread (90% about the different profiles) is valid.
It is of course too late now to make changes to the keyset and I don't think an "extras set" will ever meet the MOQ. But please next time consider the profile of the keys yourself. I can't be the only one thinking that even on a "standard" 105 ANSII keyboard different profiles in the same row look weird and out of place and I'm shocked that it wouldn't occur to you to decide on something that is best for most, on a topic this important (saying its just a few mm, when a keycap is only a few mm high is not really a justification), but you made the choice based on what one person wanted. I am sure Photekq helped you a lot and I am extremely grateful that you organized this group buy (you must have invested a huge amount of time), but the GB was ultimately designed for the 500+ people making it happen; call me perfectionist but 450 people with straight profiles is better than 50 people with straight profile.
Enough criticism, because I am actually looking forward to getting my hands on these caps. But I hope you understand my thoughts and will be wiser next time.
After all. Life is but one great adventure.
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 26 March 2015, 02:58:46
There is absolutely no way things will change at this stage of the GB, so please stop demanding extra keys or other changes. If you don't like the current set then don't buy it - it's that simple.
I can only imagine how frustrating this must be for Intelli after he put so much work into this. Many thought custom colors would be impossible with GMK, but he proved everybody wrong!
Concerning the addon pack: I can only advise you NOT do it. It won't prove anything, because people will claim it failed because the "right" keys were not included in the base set. You can't win so just ignore it. It's not worth bothering GMK for new mockups for extras that are going to fail...
Having said this, I have ordered 2 sets.
Thanks for all the efforts Intelli - don't let the vocal minority get to you :thumb:
Post by: azhdar on Thu, 26 March 2015, 03:02:22
I will make a deal.Asking for an inter kit:
We're not changing the base set, but I'm willing to do one of two things.
1. Make a giant "everything else" set to be sold alongside the base set.
I'll comb through the IC, through the DT thread, through this thread, through Massdrop and reddit comments. I'll add every key that's been requested that makes a lick of sense to add. All the requested euro languages, alternate row 4 modfiiers, winkeys, hhkb, 1800, blanks, you name it.
We launch it as a drop in a few days time, so it has plenty of time to run alongside this one.
Everybody who wanted to add their own keys will get a chance, but they will reap what they sow: a high price and a high MOQ.
It will be a chance to put your money where your mouth is.
2. I'll tally up all the extra wanted keys in the same way, but I'll split them into child packs. So you'll be able to get only what you want at a cheaper price. Trade-off: it'll be highly fragmented and still have high MOQs, I doubt many packs will make it, if any. Not that the mega-pack would have a great chance either.
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I'll make the decision about (1) or (2) purely democratically. Have a vote, I'll defer to the masses completely. Then we'll do it ASAP, provided I can get Massdrop on board.
Then there can be NO further B1TCHING from ANYONE, no matter what the outcome is. Agreed? The community decides which approach to take, design by committee, and then everyone has equity of opportunity to purchase the keys he/she wants. Success proves the demand is there. Failure proves it's not. It doesn't get any more meritocratic.
This will be a referendum for the future as well, to gauge what keys actually have demand.
I don't predict it will be a success either way but I'll do it however you guys think will be best.
(https://massdrop-cf2.imgix.net/resizer/797x777/r/MD-3318_20140823133913_ab4e2c31006eef73.jpg?fm=jpg&q=70)
Post by: Joey Quinn on Thu, 26 March 2015, 03:42:11
I actually didn't want to comment on this situation, but I feel the complaining is getting out of hand.
There is absolutely no way things will change at this stage of the GB, so please stop demanding extra keys or other changes. If you don't like the current set then don't buy it - it's that simple.
I can only imagine how frustrating this must be for Intelli after he put so much work into this. Many thought custom colors would be impossible with GMK, but he proved everybody wrong!
Concerning the addon pack: I can only advise you NOT do it. It won't prove anything, because people will claim it failed because the "right" keys were not included in the base set. You can't win so just ignore it. It's not worth bothering GMK for new mockups for extras that are going to fail...
Having said this, I have ordered 2 sets.
Thanks for all the efforts Intelli - don't let the vocal minority get to you :thumb:
I'm definitely on board the stop asking for more caps train. Lets not jeopardize this GB by trying to complicate it.
Post by: Jokrik on Thu, 26 March 2015, 03:45:32
I actually didn't want to comment on this situation, but I feel the complaining is getting out of hand.
There is absolutely no way things will change at this stage of the GB, so please stop demanding extra keys or other changes. If you don't like the current set then don't buy it - it's that simple.
I can only imagine how frustrating this must be for Intelli after he put so much work into this. Many thought custom colors would be impossible with GMK, but he proved everybody wrong!
Concerning the addon pack: I can only advise you NOT do it. It won't prove anything, because people will claim it failed because the "right" keys were not included in the base set. You can't win so just ignore it. It's not worth bothering GMK for new mockups for extras that are going to fail...
Having said this, I have ordered 2 sets.
Thanks for all the efforts Intelli - don't let the vocal minority get to you :thumb:
I'm definitely on board the stop asking for more caps train. Lets not jeopardize this GB by trying to complicate it.
+1
no matter what's in the set, it's an amazing color array, effort and thoughts
my way: find a keyboard that would suit the set, not the otherwise
g80-3000 here I come
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 26 March 2015, 04:13:52
And leave Photekq out of it, all decisions were ultimately mine, and he is in no way responsible for any of it. <3
I took a long walk this evening to clear my head on this issue. On one hand I genuinely feel for folks who are bummed about missing keys, and I have an urge to try to help make it right.
On the other hand, I am just really over all the drama. It's really a god damn shame that some GHers have lost perspective on this set and are trying to turn a revolutionary GB (imperfect as all GBs are) into a whinge fest and a net negative for the community. F*** that noise, I won't let it happen.
This set is gonna kick ass, and the hundreds of people already in the buy are proof of that. The whinging minority here is not going to get the best of this buy. I am glad I floated the idea of extra keys, because it generated some very wise comments.
So with that, there will be no additional keys or further tampering with the GB. Case closed, period. I am washing my hands of it, the only thing left is to blast through 500 and sell as many sets as possible. :thumb: After that, anyone who wants to spearhead an add-on effort has my full blessing, but it's not going to be me. The folks in this thread are right; there will be no winning by scrambling now, all it will do is alter the criticisms and teach people to rage on future GB organizers even harder. My only regret is wavering at all in the face of this whining. Anybody who paid attention to the IC knows that while I am stubborn, I did listen to the feedback I heard and compromised on it. As to the feedback that never happened, it's too late now.
Any additional requests for changes or complaining about keys are, at this point, 100% threadcrapping. So if you want to do that, I highly, highly suggesting just clicking out of the thread instead and voting with your wallet.
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 26 March 2015, 05:03:46
Thank you for running this in an economic and well thought out fashion. You listened to all the suggestions you received and worked out a comprimise that seemed to work with most people. Anyone who is complaining should have given there opinion earlier in the IC thread. I didn't read it all; has anyone besides Inteil78 done so? You spent a lot of time, money , and hard work on this group buy and I can't say thank you enough. Try not to let the whining get to you anymore, you can never please everyone. I and the mechanical keyboard community appreciate your work! Cheers, and have a good day.
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 26 March 2015, 05:03:51
The folks in this thread are right; there will be no winning by scrambling now, all it will do is alter the criticisms and teach people to rage on future GB organizers even harder. My only regret is wavering at all in the face of this whining. Anybody who paid attention to the IC knows that while I am stubborn, I did listen to the feedback I heard and compromised on it. As to the feedback that never happened, it's too late now.
Any additional requests for changes or complaining about keys are, at this point, 100% threadcrapping. So if you want to do that, I highly, highly suggesting just clicking out of the thread instead and voting with your wallet.
Here here good Sir, good to see you have that determined spirit like an American Pitbull, take no sh1t from any intruder and of course to rip him a new arsehole if he persists ;) .
Post by: mz/x on Thu, 26 March 2015, 05:40:30
I know that you had to deal with all other urgent questions ...
Have you had any chance to find out whether MD can mark the package to Europe (including the UK) as re-import perhaps with zero duty value please?
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 26 March 2015, 05:43:07
To intelli78:
I know that you had to deal with all other urgent questions ...
Have you had any chance to find out whether MD can mark the package to Europe (including the UK) as re-import perhaps with zero duty value please?
No... I must have missed your reply. I don't remember getting a clear answer to the question: Is this import duty something separate from VAT? VAT is unavoidable but if it's something else, I can bring it up to them again.
Post by: Polymer on Thu, 26 March 2015, 05:46:45
At the same time, if you're going to organize something like this, you really do need to grow thicker skin.
It is perfectly legitimate for someone to question something..and especially with MD, people should understand what it is they're buying. There are probably quite a few people that don't quite understand what R4/R5 means and don't understand what they're buying. If your product can't stand up to a few legitimate questions then there is something wrong. If you fully believe in the set, there shouldn't be any issues explaining what is there and why and leave it like that. There is no other justifications needed. You're not helping your cause (getting this GB to MOQ) by biting back at people..
For the people complaining - Why not see if Intelli can get something done on the side as part of this from an overall perspective but not done on MD(or maybe done with MD). The custom color is being used so GMK has an incentive to make more keys. Most of the ALT/CTRL keys are doubled so that should help the MOQ...Maybe you can get concession for the Menu Key (or just have 500 of each keys made up which makes 250 sets but the run is made up of 500 sets of 1 x CTRL, 1 x ALT 1 x Win 1 x Menu). If you can get it cheap enough maybe you can pull this off easily...
Personally, I think the set looks great..if not for the Hyperfuse GMK I'd be all over this...and if it gets close to MOQ I'll just go in to help out..
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 26 March 2015, 06:03:19
If your product can't stand up to a few legitimate questions then there is something wrong. If you fully believe in the set, there shouldn't be any issues explaining what is there and why and leave it like that.
The product does stand up to questioning. This was an intentional design, and was completely transparent from the start. I have absolutely no problem explaining this feature to anyone and everyone in the buy. You can go read my explanation in the IC thread right now. :thumb: What's making me salty is that it's just a vocal minority stirring up discontent about one aspect of this giant set, months late, when everything is already locked in. It's completely missing the forest for the trees. In life, few products fit one's needs 100%. This is no different. It's one aspect of something that is very awesome, and it's simply impossible to please everyone. Folks on GH should know this. The issue has gotten blown way out of proportion, to the point where it's threatening to overshadow the basic fact that we are getting something we never thought possible a few months ago.
This isn't national politics with lives and welfare at stake. It's a Cherry MX keycap set that's uber cheap for what you're getting. Perfection is not attainable and life will go on. Can't handle it, vote with your wallet.
As for the other keys you mentioned, it's no longer on the table. The set is going to go forward as planned.
Post by: Polymer on Thu, 26 March 2015, 06:09:09
As for the other keys you mentioned, it's no longer on the table. The set is going to go forward as planned.
I actually wasn't suggesting it be part of this..
I was suggesting they ask you to do it as a separate add-on. In parallel with the GB but separately..maybe it isn't possible...doesn't really matter to me, just making some suggestions...
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 26 March 2015, 06:14:19
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 26 March 2015, 07:04:29
Anyone who wants to coordinate something in the future is more than welcome to, but I just can't entertain this whinging anymore.
Now you know why being a Group Buy Organizer isn't all tea and cup-cakes.
That is why ANYONE who tackles a Group Buy for the FIRST time can feel like being doused in Petrol and the Whining Hordes wanting to throw a lighted match into your face 8) .
Greatest respect to anyone wanting to ever run any sort of Group Buy here on Geekhack, especially now.......
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 26 March 2015, 07:07:19
Anyone who wants to coordinate something in the future is more than welcome to, but I just can't entertain this whinging anymore.
Now you know why being a Group Buy Organizer isn't all tea and cup-cakes.
That is why ANYONE who tackles a Group Buy for the FIRST time can feel like being doused in Petrol and the Whining Hordes wanting to throw a lighted match into your face 8) .
Greatest respect to anyone wanting to ever run any sort of Group Buy here on Geekhack, especially now.......
It's definitely given me an all-new appreciation for what the veteran GB organizers do. :thumb:
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 26 March 2015, 07:20:33
Let's all put this awful interlude behind us! Onwards to 500!
Post by: rabidwombat on Thu, 26 March 2015, 07:22:27
Post by: Chemisery on Thu, 26 March 2015, 07:26:22
Post by: morpheus on Thu, 26 March 2015, 07:31:15
I think this set kicks ass.
There's no way this doesn't pass 500.
#102!
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 26 March 2015, 07:58:37
As for the legends, the render is the final word. The photos are only to provide an idea of how the colors will look IRL.
Post by: mz/x on Thu, 26 March 2015, 08:16:59
Thanks intelli78.To intelli78:
I know that you had to deal with all other urgent questions ...
Have you had any chance to find out whether MD can mark the package to Europe (including the UK) as re-import perhaps with zero duty value please?
No... I must have missed your reply. I don't remember getting a clear answer to the question: Is this import duty something separate from VAT? VAT is unavoidable but if it's something else, I can bring it up to them again.
Basically why I asked whether it would be possible to mark the EU (incl. UK) packages as re-import because often I had to pay duty (not just the VAT) on items that not supposed to have any charge. It would be great if MD could help.
Again thank you for your help and the great work on this GB. You will need a break after this! :thumb:
Post by: shawn o on Thu, 26 March 2015, 08:17:41
Whats included with this set to begin with is niche. Probably half the people who have already placed orders don't even know whats different about this set and the complaints will come out when they get their caps and try and fit them on their keyboard and start asking if a mistake with made.
I've wanted a set of these keys for 4 years and am very sad I can't participate right now. How much would it have cost to include the 7 keys to make this set work properly with a modern keyboard? $4?
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 26 March 2015, 08:21:50
Thanks, I will support this group buy now that there is talk of an extra pack. I would be best to run side by side so all the keys would arrive around the same time.
Not gonna happen, unfortunately. We will simply have to abstain.
So with that, there will be no additional keys or further tampering with the GB. Case closed, period. I am washing my hands of it, the only thing left is to blast through 500 and sell as many sets as possible. :thumb: After that, anyone who wants to spearhead an add-on effort has my full blessing, but it's not going to be me. The folks in this thread are right; there will be no winning by scrambling now, all it will do is alter the criticisms and teach people to rage on future GB organizers even harder. My only regret is wavering at all in the face of this whining. Anybody who paid attention to the IC knows that while I am stubborn, I did listen to the feedback I heard and compromised on it. As to the feedback that never happened, it's too late now.
Post by: strict on Thu, 26 March 2015, 08:31:58
Thanks again for all your hard work, Intelli78. Please don't mistake my comments as being ungrateful as I truly appreciate the immense amount of effort thats gone into this set. I'm sure this is going to result in one of greatest sets to ever leave GMK's facility and Im glad I'm able to take part.
Post by: Belfong on Thu, 26 March 2015, 08:34:48
Post by: motherbrain on Thu, 26 March 2015, 08:36:35
Post by: greath on Thu, 26 March 2015, 08:37:59
What color case do you think would match these best? :p
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Thu, 26 March 2015, 08:39:07
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Thu, 26 March 2015, 08:40:58
Serious question that I'm sure are lot of people are wondering about right now...
What color case do you think would match these best? :p
Gray or white seems to be the natural choice.
Post by: inanis on Thu, 26 March 2015, 08:46:00
Serious question that I'm sure are lot of people are wondering about right now...
What color case do you think would match these best? :p
Gray or white seems to be the natural choice.
I am considering using them with my blue TEX aluminum case, I'm thinking the blue alphas will go well with that.
Edit: cause I can't spell :blank:
Post by: shawn o on Thu, 26 March 2015, 08:48:56
Post by: bazh on Thu, 26 March 2015, 08:53:28
Why does the description on Massdrop says "The set includes a full modern 104-key ANSI layout" when that is simply not the case? The profile of the keys is not "full modern ANSI".
they said the ANSI layout, not a single words on key profile, actually the profile is never a part of a key layout
but still I agree that it is unfair that most people with modern keyboards will be the one to compromise on mismatch profile
Post by: shawn o on Thu, 26 March 2015, 08:54:01
(http://support.wasdkeyboards.com/customer/portal/attachments/243974)
Post by: Nai_Calus on Thu, 26 March 2015, 08:55:12
Why does the description on Massdrop says "The set includes a full modern 104-key ANSI layout" when that is simply not the case? The profile of the keys is not "full modern ANSI".
ANSI is a layout, not a profile. Profile has nothing to do with layout. Full profile SA in the ANSI layout is ANSI. DSA in ISO is ISO. OEM in JIS is JIS. Row 3 SA Ergodox is Ergodox. Cherry in ANSI is ANSI. If you sculpt a full 104 ANSI keyboard's worth of keys shaped like ****s, balls, boobs, and vaginas, it's still ANSI.
We get it. You don't like the profile thing. It's not changing. The line you're willfully misrepresenting from the description is not in any way misleading.
Post by: Nai_Calus on Thu, 26 March 2015, 08:58:23
Yes it is.Show Image(http://support.wasdkeyboards.com/customer/portal/attachments/243974)
All that shows is what looks to be OEM/DCS row profiles for ANSI, which isn't even accurate for all OEM sets since some of them use row 5 F keys. Seriously. We get it. You don't like the profile.
Post by: Polymer on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:04:54
Probably half the people who have already placed orders don't even know whats different about this set and the complaints will come out when they get their caps and try and fit them on their keyboard and start asking if a mistake with made.
Unfortunately, I think that will be true. The render doesn't really explain it to people that don't understand what it means...
I think it is fine personally..nowhere near as bad as some of the technicolor off key stuff you see some people do....but certainly with the OCD crowd it would drive them nuts...
Intelli - Can you pass your contact at GMK to JD (or anyone else) along with anything else needed to help him do an extras? If he doesn't want to put in the effort to do it too bad for him..but facilitating that for someone would be nice...Since this is a custom color that might be necessary...From the sounds of it too many feelings have been hurt over this but I don't see any reason why people can't work together....
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:05:02
Yes it is.Show Image(http://support.wasdkeyboards.com/customer/portal/attachments/243974)
Source? If it isn't contained on the ANSI-INCITS 154-1988 (R1999) document, which is the ANSI standard for US keyboards, then it doesn't say anything valid.
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:05:25
Also, reposting what I have put on Massdrop a couple times already:
Quote
For anyone not aware, if you're using windows keys, there will be a slight difference in height between the modifiers next to your spacebar vs. the arrow keys and numpad keys in the bottom row.
It'll look at lot like this: https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2946/15301853109_1a0cc99c7a_h.jpg
This is a feature, not a defect, so that if you ever use these puppies on a winkeyless board, the way the originals were, you'll have a fully authentic A-profile bottom row.
With a modern winkey board, there will be the slight difference. There's a precedent for it on the above board, the AEG Olympia, and it's only problematic for super obscure layouts like winkey lightsaver or MX mini.
Again, it's a feature that was very carefully thought out to allow authentic winkeyless setups and keep the price under $100. It's not a defect or mistake.
Post by: snipars on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:09:23
am i correct in thinking that this is cherry profile, meaning i can interchange the keys with keys from GMK hyperfuse?
Post by: geniekid on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:13:45
Please reconsider running a follow up GB with mods/extras! I was very happy to read you were going to do it and then very sad to read your reversal on that.
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:13:49
i was among the first to join the groupbuy for this, i think the colour scheme is quite nice, not the best i've seen but how can i resist such a cheap GMK set
am i correct in thinking that this is cherry profile, meaning i can interchange the keys with keys from GMK hyperfuse?
Yes, this set has the same profile as the Hyperfuse GMK set.
The only keys that are different are the Row 5 caps.
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:13:57
i was among the first to join the groupbuy for this, i think the colour scheme is quite nice, not the best i've seen but how can i resist such a cheap GMK set
am i correct in thinking that this is cherry profile, meaning i can interchange the keys with keys from GMK hyperfuse?
Yes, you are. GMK is the actual owner of the original Cherry's keycaps molds.
Post by: shawn o on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:15:25
The set clearly wasn't designed with modern keyboards in mind so why not leave the keys off completely?
What happens if people start complaining of profile/fitment problems once they see what they bought and demand Massdrop fix the "problem" on their dime?
Seems the prescedent has been set and in the future "rare keysets will only be for winkey or winkeyless but not both. Screw em!
I'm done complaining, hoping someone else makes this set again soon with a different profile.
(http://i.imgur.com/W3tOrzr.jpg)
Post by: snipars on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:16:44
i was among the first to join the groupbuy for this, i think the colour scheme is quite nice, not the best i've seen but how can i resist such a cheap GMK set
am i correct in thinking that this is cherry profile, meaning i can interchange the keys with keys from GMK hyperfuse?
Yes, you are. GMK is the actual owner of the original Cherry's keycaps molds.
It seems like a duck octagon with a mix of this set and hyperfuse would be for me a perfect (and expensive) keyboard, what a cool mix those 2 sets would be
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:21:38
You got of gotten the set even cheaper but not including the 1.25 modifier keys or space bar at all!
What happens if people start complaining of profile/fitment problems once they see what they bought and demand Massdrop fix the "problem" on their dime?
This information is given on the GB page. If the buyer didn't read it and wants to complain just after the delivery, it is exclusively his/hers fault.
Post by: greath on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:32:12
Look guys, I hear you and I know you are bummed out. I'm sorry, really, it is not my intention to disappoint anyone with this set. I had to make it with a lot of factors in mind, including functionality, aesthetics, authenticity, flexibility, affordability, and even a degree of personal preference. I even ended up sacrificing many features I personally wanted, like the retro winkey. I understand what it's like to not get what you want. But one issue does not ruin a whole set.
Also, reposting what I have put on Massdrop a couple times already:QuoteFor anyone not aware, if you're using windows keys, there will be a slight difference in height between the modifiers next to your spacebar vs. the arrow keys and numpad keys in the bottom row.
It'll look at lot like this: https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2946/15301853109_1a0cc99c7a_h.jpg
This is a feature, not a defect, so that if you ever use these puppies on a winkeyless board, the way the originals were, you'll have a fully authentic A-profile bottom row.
With a modern winkey board, there will be the slight difference. There's a precedent for it on the above board, the AEG Olympia, and it's only problematic for super obscure layouts like winkey lightsaver or MX mini.
Again, it's a feature that was very carefully thought out to allow authentic winkeyless setups and keep the price under $100. It's not a defect or mistake.
Just to clarify: On a winkey board, the spacebar and the ctrl/alt/win/menu keys will all be the same profile height correct?
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:32:59
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:33:22
Just to clarify: On a winkey board, the spacebar and the ctrl/alt/win/menu keys will all be the same profile height correct?
Absolutely.
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:37:44
It's just honestly not going to happen like that. People are buying this set for its quirks. If anybody complains, we just explain it's a feature, not a defect, and is completely intentional. Problem solved. Most buyers won't even notice. People want this set because it looks good and it has a lot of interesting stuff surrounding it. Nobody is buying it for an R4 profile.
Ah, got it. Thanks for your candor.
Post by: Nai_Calus on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:41:35
You got of gotten the set even cheaper but not including the 1.25 modifier keys or space bar at all!
The set clearly wasn't designed with modern keyboards in mind so why not leave the keys off completely?
What happens if people start complaining of profile/fitment problems once they see what they bought and demand Massdrop fix the "problem" on their dime?
Seems the prescedent has been set and in the future "rare keysets will only be for winkey or winkeyless but not both. Screw em!
I'm done complaining, hoping someone else makes this set again soon with a different profile.
Dude. Take a breath. Realize you are throwing a full-on diva tantrum over keycaps. Specifically, over the row profile of a few keys that not all keyboards even HAVE. Half these sets are probably going to get thrown on someone's Poker or K60 they got through MD and they won't even ever notice or care. I'm willing to bet that, since I don't look at the legends on my keyboard anyway, that you could swap the bottom row of my numpad and my arrow keys on the set I use now for a different higher profile row and I'd never even notice it.
Seriously, I *AM* one of those OCD people. I want sets to come with mod color |\, ~`, AND 1! keys for symmetry in the alphanumeric section. I am bothered far more about the lack of teal ~` than I am about the profile difference on keys I have to move my hand to use. I'll be more bothered by my Hot Keys Project Warmasters being ludicrously tall compared to Cherry profile and needing to move my Snow Globe off of Home. :P I'll probably put it on Esc and move the TA Esc down to ~` for that symmetry I was talking about. It'll look cool there.
Here, why don't we all calm down with a picture of a cat:
(http://www.iankunx.net/catkeys.jpg)
Post by: greath on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:42:01
Just to clarify: On a winkey board, the spacebar and the ctrl/alt/win/menu keys will all be the same profile height correct?
Absolutely.
(http://i.imgur.com/ntA2ErZ.gif)
Post by: mz/x on Thu, 26 March 2015, 09:55:24
Thanks intelli. Yes it is separate. When you receive something in the EU (varies a bit by country) if the value of imported goods is above certain threshold you have to pay duty + Vat. In this case we can eliminate "duty" because it is re-import. (Note that theoretically there should not be any duty because it is a keyboard parts but I often had to pay duty regardless. This is what we want to avoid.) :thumb:To intelli78:
I know that you had to deal with all other urgent questions ...
Have you had any chance to find out whether MD can mark the package to Europe (including the UK) as re-import perhaps with zero duty value please?
No... I must have missed your reply. I don't remember getting a clear answer to the question: Is this import duty something separate from VAT? VAT is unavoidable but if it's something else, I can bring it up to them again.
Post by: BunnyLake on Thu, 26 March 2015, 10:08:14
im simply trying to help a few people here who dont know exactly whats going on
here are some images
(http://i.imgur.com/9jyJu2o.jpg)
left to right
CTRL A profile legends as included in this buy, standard control a profile, r4 standard control
(http://i.imgur.com/aEcwdZk.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/n60bsdt.jpg)
left is r5 a profile, right is r4 b profile
sorry for the ****ty pics
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 26 March 2015, 10:09:56
(https://d3jqoivu6qpygv.cloudfront.net/img_comment/7UQ6KM_20150326_073254_Z5ASA.png)
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 26 March 2015, 11:05:28
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 26 March 2015, 11:14:57
I think it would be interesting to know how many folks that have bought keyboards on MD even have a numpad or arrow keys. It seems like EVERY WEEK there's a new buy for a 60% board on there that doesn't have these features. I have to think that the majority of the MK customers on MD won't ever take those keys out of their bags/tray.
Actually, just a cursory look on there was interesting. Many of the full size keyboards on there featured their backlighting (meaning, this seemed to be the primary selling point of the board), so I would assume most of those users would not be interested in this set because it doesn't work with their keyboard's pretty colors. Just thought I would point that out.
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 26 March 2015, 11:34:39
I think it would be interesting to know how many folks that have bought keyboards on MD even have a numpad or arrow keys. It seems like EVERY WEEK there's a new buy for a 60% board on there that doesn't have these features. I have to think that the majority of the MK customers on MD won't ever take those keys out of their bags/tray.I did a survey (https://wlhlm.github.io/rmk-march-2015-survey/) on /r/mk. One third preferred TKL (34%) and another third (29%) of the respondents a 60% layout.
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 26 March 2015, 11:38:23
I think it would be interesting to know how many folks that have bought keyboards on MD even have a numpad or arrow keys. It seems like EVERY WEEK there's a new buy for a 60% board on there that doesn't have these features. I have to think that the majority of the MK customers on MD won't ever take those keys out of their bags/tray.I made a survey (https://wlhlm.github.io/rmk-march-2015-survey/) on /r/mk. One third preferred TKL (34%) and another third (29%) of the respondents a 60% layout.
Is that relevant when a vast majority of the sample had one board or none at all and brands like Corsair (which couldn't use a set) being one of the top brands?
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 26 March 2015, 12:01:53
I guess you're right that the data I suggested is not directly tailored to answer heedpantsnow's question, so I went through the data set again to look only for those that have participated in a Massdrop group buy before (this doesn't necessarily mean a keyboard) and have more than 0 mechs. The numbers are: TKL 120 (34%), 60% size 119 (34%), Full-size 57 (16%), so not a lot different.I think it would be interesting to know how many folks that have bought keyboards on MD even have a numpad or arrow keys. It seems like EVERY WEEK there's a new buy for a 60% board on there that doesn't have these features. I have to think that the majority of the MK customers on MD won't ever take those keys out of their bags/tray.I made a survey (https://wlhlm.github.io/rmk-march-2015-survey/) on /r/mk. One third preferred TKL (34%) and another third (29%) of the respondents a 60% layout.
Is that relevant when a vast majority of the sample had one board or none at all and brands like Corsair (which couldn't use a set) being one of the top brands?
Only 8% had 0 mechanical keyboards. Corsair had less votes than PFU even. But the brand question has some other problems anyways.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 26 March 2015, 12:17:29
I guess you're right that the data I suggested is not directly tailored to answer heedpantsnow's question, so I went through the data set again to look only for those that have participated in a Massdrop group buy before and have more than (this doesn't necessarily mean a keyboard) and have more than 0 mechs. The numbers are: TKL 120 (34%), 60% size 119 (34%), Full-size 57 (16%), so not a lot different.I think it would be interesting to know how many folks that have bought keyboards on MD even have a numpad or arrow keys. It seems like EVERY WEEK there's a new buy for a 60% board on there that doesn't have these features. I have to think that the majority of the MK customers on MD won't ever take those keys out of their bags/tray.I made a survey (https://wlhlm.github.io/rmk-march-2015-survey/) on /r/mk. One third preferred TKL (34%) and another third (29%) of the respondents a 60% layout.
Is that relevant when a vast majority of the sample had one board or none at all and brands like Corsair (which couldn't use a set) being one of the top brands?
Only 8% had 0 mechanical keyboards. Corsair had less votes than PFU even. But the brand question has some other problems anyways.
Thank you for sharing your information; but, you should know that people around here tend to stick to their own point of views regarding data; unless, data support their own way of thinking.
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 26 March 2015, 12:21:51
Post by: inanis on Thu, 26 March 2015, 12:28:45
I think it would be interesting to know how many folks that have bought keyboards on MD even have a numpad or arrow keys. It seems like EVERY WEEK there's a new buy for a 60% board on there that doesn't have these features. I have to think that the majority of the MK customers on MD won't ever take those keys out of their bags/tray.
Actually, just a cursory look on there was interesting. Many of the full size keyboards on there featured their backlighting (meaning, this seemed to be the primary selling point of the board), so I would assume most of those users would not be interested in this set because it doesn't work with their keyboard's pretty colors. Just thought I would point that out.
I get that people like to make generalizations about the average MD customer, and to some extent those generalizations are right. However, I think acting like someone who bought their Poker from MD, is not someone who would also care about profile, or someone who bought a backlit board would not be in the market for these keys is limiting the scope for no good reason. I got my Poker at MD. I also got my Noppoo EC108 from MD (not backlit, but still). But I also have an SSK, and a JD40, I am also building out my own boards using a NERD V60 PCB and I ordered the Infinity kit (clearly, I have a problem with self control guys).
It is true that some of the user base at MD is less....engaged that people here on GH, but that doesn't mean that someone who bought their Poker (or whatever else) at MD isn't someone who can appreciate this set, or the idiosyncrasies it brings along with it. I'm not trying to be difficult or anything, I see this a lot though - the attitude of "Oh, they just got a Poker from MD, you can't expect them to be that in tune with the hobby." Or that somehow because they don't own something of enthusiast level value - be that a classic board like a Kishsaver, or something new like a 365mini their opinion is of less value. No one starts out being elite. Is MD the best, no. But just because someone picked up their board from there shouldn't automatically discount their knowledge on the subject.
This isn't really directed at anyone in particular (even though I did quote heedpants), but it is something I see a lot. People say that people here at GH at elitist and sometimes that is very true.
For the record, I'm listed as buyer #11 in this drop. I will probably put in on my Poker since that is what I use as my daily driver. I might put it on something later on, like a TKL where I am dealing with the different profiles. But I joined the drop knowing this. I am not one of the uneducated masses. Would I have chosen to have a different profile for those bottom row keys? No, probably not. But I'm okay with the decision and the reaonsing behind it.
I guess that ends my rant for the day. Now, let's all be friends and make this get to 500. I love you guys. :)
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 26 March 2015, 12:42:42
I think it would be interesting to know how many folks that have bought keyboards on MD even have a numpad or arrow keys. It seems like EVERY WEEK there's a new buy for a 60% board on there that doesn't have these features. I have to think that the majority of the MK customers on MD won't ever take those keys out of their bags/tray.
Actually, just a cursory look on there was interesting. Many of the full size keyboards on there featured their backlighting (meaning, this seemed to be the primary selling point of the board), so I would assume most of those users would not be interested in this set because it doesn't work with their keyboard's pretty colors. Just thought I would point that out.
I get that people like to make generalizations about the average MD customer, and to some extent those generalizations are right. However, I think acting like someone who bought their Poker from MD, is not someone who would also care about profile, or someone who bought a backlit board would not be in the market for these keys is limiting the scope for no good reason. I got my Poker at MD. I also got my Noppoo EC108 from MD (not backlit, but still). But I also have an SSK, and a JD40, I am also building out my own boards using a NERD V60 PCB and I ordered the Infinity kit (clearly, I have a problem with self control guys).
It is true that some of the user base at MD is less....engaged that people here on GH, but that doesn't mean that someone who bought their Poker (or whatever else) at MD isn't someone who can appreciate this set, or the idiosyncrasies it brings along with it. I'm not trying to be difficult or anything, I see this a lot though - the attitude of "Oh, they just got a Poker from MD, you can't expect them to be that in tune with the hobby." Or that somehow because they don't own something of enthusiast level value - be that a classic board like a Kishsaver, or something new like a 365mini their opinion is of less value. No one starts out being elite. Is MD the best, no. But just because someone picked up their board from there shouldn't automatically discount their knowledge on the subject.
This isn't really directed at anyone in particular (even though I did quote heedpants), but it is something I see a lot. People say that people here at GH at elitist and sometimes that is very true.
For the record, I'm listed as buyer #11 in this drop. I will probably put in on my Poker since that is what I use as my daily driver. I might put it on something later on, like a TKL where I am dealing with the different profiles. But I joined the drop knowing this. I am not one of the uneducated masses. Would I have chosen to have a different profile for those bottom row keys? No, probably not. But I'm okay with the decision and the reaonsing behind it.
I guess that ends my rant for the day. Now, let's all be friends and make this get to 500. I love you guys. :)
It's possible I was unclear in my post. I'm sorry if it came across as looking down on MD buyers or Poker users (for the record, I have 3 original Pokers and use them every day). Well maybe I did jab the backlit users, but all in good fun.
What I mean is that the profile distinctives between the main keys, arrow cluster, and numpad will not affect Poker users and likely not affect users of other similar layouts, simply because we have no use of those keys. It doesn't matter if you're new to the hobby or a longtime Mod of GH and DT. You just won't see the difference if you're putting these on a 60.
If I had a backlit board (and I used to) I probably am not interested because of how crappy traditional double shot keys sometimes look on backlit boards. The waffle pattern of the inside of the cap where the two plastics merge often shine through and just look goofy. So that's my thinking.
Again, has nothing to do with the experience of the user.
My assumption that MD users are mainly 60 users is based on my hypothesis that more 60's have been sold on there than full size or tenkeyless. Again, nothing to do with the user's experience, just has to do with what seems to be popular on there.
Lastly, the other data is interesting and I appreciate knowing that now. Thanks!
Post by: ideus on Thu, 26 March 2015, 12:46:05
Not true at all. People love data on here, it's just most data presented is not from a representative sample or is pulled from someone's ass. If the data isn't flawed, people love it. Just most data I've seen is flawed "data".
As an statistician by trade, I know "data quality" - called it representativeness -, is mostly a qualitative attribute, unless a careful research protocol is prepared well in advance; personally, I prefer experimental to observational data. In the other hand most data could be use to get an approximation of how a population is, up to certain extend, with adequate qualitative qualifications. There is no such thing as flawless data, because using samples to understand populations is a process full of errors, uncertainty, and "flaws", but that flawed data is all we have.
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 26 March 2015, 12:52:09
Not true at all. People love data on here, it's just most data presented is not from a representative sample or is pulled from someone's ass. If the data isn't flawed, people love it. Just most data I've seen is flawed "data".
As an statistician by trade, I know "data quality" - called it representativeness -, is mostly a qualitative attribute, unless a careful research protocol is prepared well in advance; personally, I prefer experimental to observational data. In the other hand most data could be use to get an approximation of how a population is, up to certain extend, with adequate qualitative qualifications. There is no such thing as flawless data, because using samples to understand populations is a process full of errors, uncertainty, and "flaws", but that flawed data is all we have.
I know you and I are basically agreeing, but I just want to give a little more clarification since I think we're disagreeing on some key points. The point of any data set is to use the least flawed data. The typical data sets I've seen are just too flawed in the representativeness of the sample and the surveys are too flawed internally to really make any generalizations from. At best, the data is representative of subset of a community. There's nothing wrong with that, but broader statements about the larger community cannot be extrapolated from the data and we really shouldn't do so.
Post by: inanis on Thu, 26 March 2015, 13:02:55
It's possible I was unclear in my post. I'm sorry if it came across as looking down on MD buyers or Poker users (for the record, I have 3 original Pokers and use them every day). Well maybe I did jab the backlit users, but all in good fun.
What I mean is that the profile distinctives between the main keys, arrow cluster, and numpad will not affect Poker users and likely not affect users of other similar layouts, simply because we have no use of those keys. It doesn't matter if you're new to the hobby or a longtime Mod of GH and DT. You just won't see the difference if you're putting these on a 60.
If I had a backlit board (and I used to) I probably am not interested because of how crappy traditional double shot keys sometimes look on backlit boards. The waffle pattern of the inside of the cap where the two plastics merge often shine through and just look goofy. So that's my thinking.
Again, has nothing to do with the experience of the user.
My assumption that MD users are mainly 60 users is based on my hypothesis that more 60's have been sold on there than full size or tenkeyless. Again, nothing to do with the user's experience, just has to do with what seems to be popular on there.
Lastly, the other data is interesting and I appreciate knowing that now. Thanks!
Like I said, my post wasn't aimed at you, so sorry for quoting you. I perhaps was being a bit over sensitive since it is something I feel has come up a lot. Your post certainly didn't contain an aggressive or condescending tone.
And, of course you are correct, that the vast majority of 60% users won't ever experience a difference in profile. Which is one of many reasons why the different row heights is okay with me. I also agree with you that the waffle effect when using doubleshots on a backlit keyboard is terrible. I will say though, that I do like some flashy backlighting every once and a while. It is a weakness, for sure.
Thanks for responding. I feel much better now that I've said my peice on the subject. Sometimes we all just need to vent a little bit.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 26 March 2015, 13:13:13
Not true at all. People love data on here, it's just most data presented is not from a representative sample or is pulled from someone's ass. If the data isn't flawed, people love it. Just most data I've seen is flawed "data".
As an statistician by trade, I know "data quality" - called it representativeness -, is mostly a qualitative attribute, unless a careful research protocol is prepared well in advance; personally, I prefer experimental to observational data. In the other hand most data could be use to get an approximation of how a population is, up to certain extend, with adequate qualitative qualifications. There is no such thing as flawless data, because using samples to understand populations is a process full of errors, uncertainty, and "flaws", but that flawed data is all we have.
I know you and I are basically agreeing, but I just want to give a little more clarification since I think we're disagreeing on some key points. The point of any data set is to use the least flawed data. The typical data sets I've seen are just too flawed in the representativeness of the sample and the surveys are too flawed internally to really make any generalizations from. At best, the data is representative of subset of a community. There's nothing wrong with that, but broader statements about the larger community cannot be extrapolated from the data and we really shouldn't do so.
True! and now, I fully agree with your statements; by qualifying the data is the way we can draw some useful conclusions from it.
Post by: nightdriver on Thu, 26 March 2015, 13:34:33
i really don't care about the profile difference, but i'd be in for several of them just to help people who do care enjoy this set!
Post by: zombimuncha on Thu, 26 March 2015, 15:51:50
TKL-users - just deal with it. Or better yet, enjoy it!
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 26 March 2015, 16:10:17
I was actually thinking of sitting this one out, but these tall arrow keys are making me think it'd actually be really cool on my fc660m, which doesn't even have a gap between the arrows and the rest of the bottom row.[attach=1]
TKL-users - just deal with it. Or better yet, enjoy it!
Post by: ideus on Thu, 26 March 2015, 16:23:19
I was actually thinking of sitting this one out, but these tall arrow keys are making me think it'd actually be really cool on my fc660m, which doesn't even have a gap between the arrows and the rest of the bottom row.
TKL-users - just deal with it. Or better yet, enjoy it!
The FC660M is a very special board, that no standard set fits. It is not a problem of the set, but a problem with the board.
Post by: BunnyLake on Thu, 26 March 2015, 16:34:02
I was actually thinking of sitting this one out, but these tall arrow keys are making me think it'd actually be really cool on my fc660m, which doesn't even have a gap between the arrows and the rest of the bottom row.
TKL-users - just deal with it. Or better yet, enjoy it!
The FC660M is a very special board, that no standard set fits. It is not a problem of the set, but a problem with the board.
its really a problem of the people who buy the board
its an interesting board with an interesting layout, but people need to understand the limitations of it and manage their expectations accordingly
Post by: ideus on Thu, 26 March 2015, 18:10:40
I was actually thinking of sitting this one out, but these tall arrow keys are making me think it'd actually be really cool on my fc660m, which doesn't even have a gap between the arrows and the rest of the bottom row.
TKL-users - just deal with it. Or better yet, enjoy it!
The FC660M is a very special board, that no standard set fits. It is not a problem of the set, but a problem with the board.
its really a problem of the people who buy the board
its an interesting board with an interesting layout, but people need to understand the limitations of it and manage their expectations accordingly
I have stopped asking for the caps to make the sets to fit it. It has Granite, Skull Sq. and the purple mods, already.
Post by: GSimon on Thu, 26 March 2015, 20:22:10
even after I compromised on the winkey specifically for you and others because that was apparently the "make or break" issue.
Whaat? JD's the reason I'm not getting a Windows 8 key and he's not even in on the set?
Either way, great work intelli in bringing the design to market. It's already well on its way to passing the 500 mark and the focus should be on the overwhelming majority of people who are happy and satisfied (enough) with the set in its final form.
Post by: nightdriver on Thu, 26 March 2015, 20:24:28
Whaat? JD's the reason I'm not getting a Windows 8 key and he's not even in on the set?
no, he's the reason you're not getting a pad-printed win95 key.
Post by: GSimon on Thu, 26 March 2015, 20:29:13
Whaat? JD's the reason I'm not getting a Windows 8 key and he's not even in on the set?
no, he's the reason you're not getting a pad-printed win95 key.
Ew nvm then haha. Pad printed on a Doubleshot set? Yea I'll take the retro Winkey, fair compromise
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 26 March 2015, 20:33:05
But GMK pad print is clear coated and very hq.
Whaat? JD's the reason I'm not getting a Windows 8 key and he's not even in on the set?
no, he's the reason you're not getting a pad-printed win95 key.
Ew nvm then haha. Pad printed on a Doubleshot set? Yea I'll take the retro Winkey, fair compromise
Post by: Wilba on Thu, 26 March 2015, 20:34:09
Whaat? JD's the reason I'm not getting a Windows 8 key and he's not even in on the set?
no, he's the reason you're not getting a pad-printed win95 key.
No, he just agreed with others preferring double-shot to pad-printed.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65724.msg1663658#msg1663658
Post by: GSimon on Thu, 26 March 2015, 20:41:03
But GMK pad print is clear coated and very hq.
Do you have any examples of one? Even still, hard to beat Doubleshot.
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 26 March 2015, 20:41:50
Nope, but I have heard. And who uses the winkey enough to wear it downBut GMK pad print is clear coated and very hq.
Do you have any examples of one? Even still, hard to beat Doubleshot.
Post by: shower_king on Thu, 26 March 2015, 21:20:36
Now, the old question is that whether we could't reach the 500MOQ, the group expired date will be extended for more days to meet the MOQ?
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 26 March 2015, 21:24:32
every morning, the first thing was to see the persons have joined in. Two days elapsed , the number almost stalled on the verge of 200+. crossfingers.
Now, the old question is that whether we could't reach the 500MOQ, the group expired date will be extended for more days to meet the MOQ?
We're 75% of the way there. I don't think any vendors have committed yet either. Also, remember when this went live. Some people may be waiting until tomorrow or Saturday for their paycheck to clear.
I may or may not add another, but we should be able to tip this. I know with Hyperfuse we had a rush toward the end.
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 26 March 2015, 21:24:39
every morning, the first thing was to see the persons have joined in. Two days elapsed , the number almost stalled on the verge of 200+. crossfingers.
Now, the old question is that whether we could't reach the 500MOQ, the group expired date will be extended for more days to meet the MOQ?
Not worried about it, there will be a lot of people joining in the last few days, and still expecting some bulk orders. I'm sure it's doing just as well as Hyperfuse did in the first couple days. :thumb: It's gonna tip.
Anybody who can afford to double or triple your order, go for it, it'll get us there that much faster.
Post by: GSimon on Thu, 26 March 2015, 21:25:05
every morning, the first thing was to see the persons have joined in. Two days elapsed , the number almost stalled on the verge of 200+. crossfingers.
Now, the old question is that whether we could't reach the 500MOQ, the group expired date will be extended for more days to meet the MOQ?
I'm fairly certain it will reach MOQ, there is a lot of momentum. If only 14 people a day buy the set up until the last day it will be fine.
Post by: morpheus on Thu, 26 March 2015, 21:25:37
Oh great I can see it now:
I would like a "Windeaux" key, spelled just like that. I think a lot of Louisiana French-Southern descent keyboardists would agree.
GIVE IT TO ME :))
(http://www.vgmpf.com/Wiki/images/0/0b/Adventures_of_Bayou_Billy_-_NES_-_Album_Art.jpg)
Sorry, can't hype like the masters here haha
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 26 March 2015, 21:28:27
Oh great I can see it now:
I would like a "Windeaux" key, spelled just like that. I think a lot of Louisiana French-Southern descent keyboardists would agree.
GIVE IT TO ME :))Show Image(http://www.vgmpf.com/Wiki/images/0/0b/Adventures_of_Bayou_Billy_-_NES_-_Album_Art.jpg)
Sorry, can't hype like the masters here haha
I had that game on NES :thumb:
Post by: Fnzzy on Thu, 26 March 2015, 21:32:41
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 26 March 2015, 21:38:35
every morning, the first thing was to see the persons have joined in. Two days elapsed , the number almost stalled on the verge of 200+. crossfingers.
Now, the old question is that whether we could't reach the 500MOQ, the group expired date will be extended for more days to meet the MOQ?
I'm fairly certain it will reach MOQ, there is a lot of momentum. If only 14 people a day buy the set up until the last day it will be fine.
Not worried at all, in fact, there's a good chance there's going to be a big jump into 600-800 range when some of the Asian communities place bulk orders.
Someone should post it on reddit again in a few days, like 2 days before it ends. It is quite easy to miss content that is more than 1 day old and we might reach some people that missed the previous post.
I've got that under control, no worries :p
Post by: njbair on Thu, 26 March 2015, 21:56:50
Oh great I can see it now:
I would like a "Windeaux" key, spelled just like that. I think a lot of Louisiana French-Southern descent keyboardists would agree.
GIVE IT TO ME :))Show Image(http://www.vgmpf.com/Wiki/images/0/0b/Adventures_of_Bayou_Billy_-_NES_-_Album_Art.jpg)
Sorry, can't hype like the masters here haha
I had that game on NES :thumb:
That game had the best funky music (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DDQpKNBU_s).
Post by: morpheus on Thu, 26 March 2015, 22:12:29
Oh great I can see it now:
I would like a "Windeaux" key, spelled just like that. I think a lot of Louisiana French-Southern descent keyboardists would agree.
GIVE IT TO ME :))Show Image(http://www.vgmpf.com/Wiki/images/0/0b/Adventures_of_Bayou_Billy_-_NES_-_Album_Art.jpg)
Sorry, can't hype like the masters here haha
I had that game on NES :thumb:
That game had the best funky music (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DDQpKNBU_s).
Oh hell yeah, but the game was ****ing hard as hell. It was one of the few NES games I never beat.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 26 March 2015, 22:26:46
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 26 March 2015, 22:54:11
Oh, I meant to mention this before. Intelli, you should do a writeup and submit it to Engadget. They love "return from retro" kind of stuff and have a HUGE, affluent readership.I pitched it to Verge, Engadget, Gizmodo, GigaOM, ZDNet, and TechCrunch earlier this week. No dice so far. If anybody has any connections...let me know.
Post by: wlhlm on Fri, 27 March 2015, 02:42:38
Wow, the amount of effort you are putting into this is incredible!Oh, I meant to mention this before. Intelli, you should do a writeup and submit it to Engadget. They love "return from retro" kind of stuff and have a HUGE, affluent readership.I pitched it to Verge, Engadget, Gizmodo, GigaOM, ZDNet, and TechCrunch earlier this week. No dice so far. If anybody has any connections...let me know.
Post by: zombimuncha on Fri, 27 March 2015, 03:09:29
I was actually thinking of sitting this one out, but these tall arrow keys are making me think it'd actually be really cool on my fc660m, which doesn't even have a gap between the arrows and the rest of the bottom row.(Attachment Link)
TKL-users - just deal with it. Or better yet, enjoy it!
With all due respect, this is Massdrop info for Massdrop people. Out of the box it won't work on fc660m, but it can be made to work just fine with a little bit of effort. There's a 2u shift to use while searching for an ISO user willing to part with their unused 2.25u shift. Stem transplant surgery will be required for the space bar. And the winkey will be either a grey 1u blank, or the green 1u fn legend. Not too shabby!
Post by: bazh on Fri, 27 March 2015, 03:54:21
I was actually thinking of sitting this one out, but these tall arrow keys are making me think it'd actually be really cool on my fc660m, which doesn't even have a gap between the arrows and the rest of the bottom row.(Attachment Link)
TKL-users - just deal with it. Or better yet, enjoy it!
With all due respect, this is Massdrop info for Massdrop people. Out of the box it won't work on fc660m, but it can be made to work just fine with a little bit of effort. There's a 2u shift to use while searching for an ISO user willing to part with their unused 2.25u shift. Stem transplant surgery will be required for the space bar. And the winkey will be either a grey 1u blank, or the green 1u fn legend. Not too shabby!
to be more correct, it's the 1.75x shift you should find, and yes it's much easier since it's exactly like the left one, so ISO user more likely to part it for you with a fair offer, unlike the arkward 2x shift that the only keyboards using them is the 11800/11900
and then yes you still have to deal with the weird stab mount of the spacer
Post by: Lpwl on Fri, 27 March 2015, 12:11:08
Someone should post it on reddit again in a few days, like 2 days before it ends. It is quite easy to miss content that is more than 1 day old and we might reach some people that missed the previous post.
I'm seeing this GB every day since it started in "Current Products" or "New Products" e-mails from Massdrop.
It feels a little bit scary !
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 27 March 2015, 12:15:32
Post by: ideus on Fri, 27 March 2015, 12:23:11
I was actually thinking of sitting this one out, but these tall arrow keys are making me think it'd actually be really cool on my fc660m, which doesn't even have a gap between the arrows and the rest of the bottom row.(Attachment Link)
TKL-users - just deal with it. Or better yet, enjoy it!
With all due respect, this is Massdrop info for Massdrop people. Out of the box it won't work on fc660m, but it can be made to work just fine with a little bit of effort. There's a 2u shift to use while searching for an ISO user willing to part with their unused 2.25u shift. Stem transplant surgery will be required for the space bar. And the winkey will be either a grey 1u blank, or the green 1u fn legend. Not too shabby!
to be more correct, it's the 1.75x shift you should find, and yes it's much easier since it's exactly like the left one, so ISO user more likely to part it for you with a fair offer, unlike the arkward 2x shift that the only keyboards using them is the 11800/11900
and then yes you still have to deal with the weird stab mount of the spacer
The two shift keys in the FC660M are 2.25u; thus, the left one is standard ANSI, the right one is shorter than a standard ANSI, that is 2.75u.
Post by: mz/x on Fri, 27 March 2015, 16:14:43
To intelli78:Thanks intelli. Yes it is separate. When you receive something in the EU (varies a bit by country) if the value of imported goods is above certain threshold you have to pay duty + Vat. In this case we can eliminate "duty" because it is re-import. (Note that theoretically there should not be any duty because it is a keyboard parts but I often had to pay duty regardless. This is what we want to avoid.) :thumb:To intelli78:
I know that you had to deal with all other urgent questions ...
Have you had any chance to find out whether MD can mark the package to Europe (including the UK) as re-import perhaps with zero duty value please?
No... I must have missed your reply. I don't remember getting a clear answer to the question: Is this import duty something separate from VAT? VAT is unavoidable but if it's something else, I can bring it up to them again.
I am not sure whether you heard back from MD about labelling the packages to the EU (incl. UK) are re-import?
My second question is ... I am kind of worried to ask :)) ... are you planning to introduce later on (in the future) add-on keycaps as a separate GB? I will definitely be interested to get some extra items such as R4 arrows or even other special goodies.
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 27 March 2015, 19:43:32
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 27 March 2015, 19:52:24
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 27 March 2015, 20:08:23
But GMK pad print is clear coated and very hq.
Do you have any examples of one? Even still, hard to beat Doubleshot.
Sorry for the poor quality. Keep in mind that the OG Cherry WoB has been heavily used for years and years (presumably at least 20 years).
OG Cherry WoB (heavily used):
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8737/16949068782_968dfab878_k.jpg)
OG Cherry WoB (https://flic.kr/p/rPJpDQ) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/people/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
GMK Dolch Replica (new):
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8704/16949431241_397b4950e8_k.jpg)
GMK Dolch Replica (https://flic.kr/p/rPLgp8) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/people/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
GMK Purple Mods (new):
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7619/16950387605_d206a3d589_k.jpg)
GMK Purple Mods (https://flic.kr/p/rPRaGa) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/people/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
GMK Cyrillic (new):
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8734/16949121912_d5b3e96dbe_k.jpg)
GMK Cyrillic (https://flic.kr/p/rPJFrS) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/people/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
None of these caps have been used by myself. I have their respective sets on winkeyless boards, so these caps have been in bags since I received them. ;D
Note how clean and fresh the GMK Cyrillic pad printing looks. Then remember it takes about 20 years of heavy (POS) use to reach the level of wear you can see in the OG Cherry WoB caps.
I know this is a bit tangential for a GB thread, but I've seen a few requests for this and wanted to fulfill them. :thumb:
Also, I'm happy to take more photos of these caps in various configurations if anyone would like. :)
Post by: pryedthirdeye on Fri, 27 March 2015, 23:50:47
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 28 March 2015, 03:53:24
Committed!! Can't wait! I'll have a hard time choosing to display this or hyperfuse :)
Get a number of keyboards then there will be no problem showing off both 8) .
Post by: CyriusG on Sat, 28 March 2015, 06:24:39
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 28 March 2015, 06:24:54
For those sitting on the fence these TA's won't be repeated ever, this will be JUST the one and ONLY time they are presented to the public here for purchase.
Make sure they get through because you want these babies sitting in keyboards for the years ahead. The people of the future will notice how unique they look as well as how beautiful they are to type with on virtually any CherryMX switch :thumb: .
These represent the absolute BEST of yesteryear in ancient keyboards yet will look elegant and superior with any keyboard now, trust me you'll want these as badly as the Hyperfuse 8) .
Post by: BunnyLake on Sat, 28 March 2015, 07:41:56
But GMK pad print is clear coated and very hq.
Do you have any examples of one? Even still, hard to beat Doubleshot.
Sorry for the poor quality. Keep in mind that the OG Cherry WoB has been heavily used for years and years (presumably at least 20 years).
OG Cherry WoB (heavily used):Show Image(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8737/16949068782_968dfab878_k.jpg)
OG Cherry WoB (https://flic.kr/p/rPJpDQ) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/people/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
GMK Dolch Replica (new):Show Image(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8704/16949431241_397b4950e8_k.jpg)
GMK Dolch Replica (https://flic.kr/p/rPLgp8) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/people/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
GMK Purple Mods (new):Show Image(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7619/16950387605_d206a3d589_k.jpg)
GMK Purple Mods (https://flic.kr/p/rPRaGa) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/people/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
GMK Cyrillic (new):Show Image(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8734/16949121912_d5b3e96dbe_k.jpg)
GMK Cyrillic (https://flic.kr/p/rPJFrS) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/people/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
None of these caps have been used by myself. I have their respective sets on winkeyless boards, so these caps have been in bags since I received them. ;D
Note how clean and fresh the GMK Cyrillic pad printing looks. Then remember it takes about 20 years of heavy (POS) use to reach the level of wear you can see in the OG Cherry WoB caps.
I know this is a bit tangential for a GB thread, but I've seen a few requests for this and wanted to fulfill them. :thumb:
Also, I'm happy to take more photos of these caps in various configurations if anyone would like. :)
great post hoff
Post by: mason on Sat, 28 March 2015, 08:04:19
Committed!! Can't wait! I'll have a hard time choosing to display this or hyperfuse :)
I was thinking the same thing :))
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 08:06:02
(http://i.imgur.com/oSzADzl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/bI3QiHX.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cz8SCfh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SO7blVe.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3lcZLEk.jpg)
Post by: Binge on Sat, 28 March 2015, 08:11:12
Shapow... WORLDSTAR!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oSzADzl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bI3QiHX.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cz8SCfh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SO7blVe.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3lcZLEk.jpg)
Nice looking set, are those OG or GMK?
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 08:12:21
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 28 March 2015, 08:15:46
Shapow... WORLDSTAR!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oSzADzl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bI3QiHX.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cz8SCfh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SO7blVe.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3lcZLEk.jpg)
Gorgeous. The blue legends look semitransparent. Are they?
So was it a brick?
Post by: paicrai on Sat, 28 March 2015, 08:20:25
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 08:21:33
Gorgeous. The blue legends look semitransparent. Are they?
So was it a brick?
They are a bit faded.
Brick...yes.
(http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/bricked-door-9102559.jpg)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 28 March 2015, 08:25:22
I'm lost. Is this a real keyboard? What does brick mean here?Gorgeous. The blue legends look semitransparent. Are they?
So was it a brick?
They are a bit faded.
Brick...yes.Show Image(http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/bricked-door-9102559.jpg)
Post by: awhitedev on Sat, 28 March 2015, 08:32:06
I'm lost. Is this a real keyboard? What does brick mean here?Gorgeous. The blue legends look semitransparent. Are they?
So was it a brick?
They are a bit faded.
Brick...yes.Show Image(http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/bricked-door-9102559.jpg)
Perhaps the original Dario 286 keyboard was a "brick"... meaning it didn't work.
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 08:34:25
njbair, they are authentic TA caps on KMAC II, I was (half) joking earlier today that I was going to get a very expensive cinder block in the mail, as the keyboard was coming from a non-community member in Croatia.
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 08:52:35
Haha... the Dario keyboard needs a cleaning and Retrobright, so pix of that later.As great as it looks in the photos, I'm sure it looks even nicer in person! Congrats on finding your white whale Intelli! :thumb:
njbair, they are authentic TA caps on KMAC II, I was (half) joking earlier today that I was going to get a very expensive cinder block in the mail, as the keyboard was coming from a non-community member in Croatia.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 28 March 2015, 09:00:48
I'm lost. Is this a real keyboard? What does brick mean here?
Sorry, we were joking yesterday if he would get a working board, non-working board (aka "brick"), or actual brick in his package.
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 09:21:04
A shop attempting to capture what the boards looked like new in '89:
(http://i.imgur.com/8415DSA.jpg)
A less shopped pic that shows more closely how the board looks in person. Mods are quite yellowed, sea green. (alphas are also yellowed but I also corrected them here)
(http://i.imgur.com/eSyeZyd.jpg)
Post by: pr0ximity on Sat, 28 March 2015, 09:22:43
Shapow... WORLDSTAR!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oSzADzl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bI3QiHX.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cz8SCfh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SO7blVe.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3lcZLEk.jpg)
Yup, placing my order now.
Post by: morpheus on Sat, 28 March 2015, 09:46:54
Here are some other images that may be of interest.
A shop attempting to capture what the boards looked like new in '89:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8415DSA.jpg)
A less shopped pic that shows more closely how the board looks in person. Mods are quite yellowed, sea green. (alphas are also yellowed but I also corrected them here)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eSyeZyd.jpg)
Holy sheeeeeeeet, soooo glad I ordered these.
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 09:51:33
Post by: quochung1989 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 09:53:21
Here are some other images that may be of interest.Thanks for your attempting to do this.
A shop attempting to capture what the boards looked like new in '89:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8415DSA.jpg)
A less shopped pic that shows more closely how the board looks in person. Mods are quite yellowed, sea green. (alphas are also yellowed but I also corrected them here)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eSyeZyd.jpg)
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 09:56:37
To intelli78:Thanks intelli. Yes it is separate. When you receive something in the EU (varies a bit by country) if the value of imported goods is above certain threshold you have to pay duty + Vat. In this case we can eliminate "duty" because it is re-import. (Note that theoretically there should not be any duty because it is a keyboard parts but I often had to pay duty regardless. This is what we want to avoid.) :thumb:To intelli78:
I know that you had to deal with all other urgent questions ...
Have you had any chance to find out whether MD can mark the package to Europe (including the UK) as re-import perhaps with zero duty value please?
No... I must have missed your reply. I don't remember getting a clear answer to the question: Is this import duty something separate from VAT? VAT is unavoidable but if it's something else, I can bring it up to them again.
I am not sure whether you heard back from MD about labelling the packages to the EU (incl. UK) are re-import?
My second question is ... I am kind of worried to ask :)) ... are you planning to introduce later on (in the future) add-on keycaps as a separate GB? I will definitely be interested to get some extra items such as R4 arrows or even other special goodies.
No response yet. I'm not planning that but anyone else is welcome to do it, and I will help however I can.
Post by: motherbrain on Sat, 28 March 2015, 10:03:11
Shapow... WORLDSTAR!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:that's awesome that you received it finally. very happy it was an actual keyboard and not a box of gravel :) looks great..I can't wait for my repro! looks amazing on black too!!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oSzADzl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bI3QiHX.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cz8SCfh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SO7blVe.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3lcZLEk.jpg)
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 28 March 2015, 10:04:28
Post by: inanis on Sat, 28 March 2015, 11:18:29
Post by: wlhlm on Sat, 28 March 2015, 12:09:37
Shapow... WORLDSTAR!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oSzADzl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bI3QiHX.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cz8SCfh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SO7blVe.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3lcZLEk.jpg)
Nice, I guess I'm gonna get a set now.
I'm not really familiar with the Cherry profile: Does the set in these pictures have a R4 bottom row? And are the arrow keys R4 as well?
Post by: njbair on Sat, 28 March 2015, 12:10:50
Post by: tjweir on Sat, 28 March 2015, 12:11:23
Shapow... WORLDSTAR!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oSzADzl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bI3QiHX.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cz8SCfh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SO7blVe.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3lcZLEk.jpg)
Nice, I guess I'm gonna get a set now.
I'm not really familiar with the Cherry profile: Does the set in these pictures have a R4 bottom row? And are the arrow keys R4 as well?
Look at the picture in the OP, keys and their row profiles are listed.
Post by: wlhlm on Sat, 28 March 2015, 12:18:32
I mean of the OG set intelli78 photographed.Shapow... WORLDSTAR!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oSzADzl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bI3QiHX.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cz8SCfh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SO7blVe.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3lcZLEk.jpg)
Nice, I guess I'm gonna get a set now.
I'm not really familiar with the Cherry profile: Does the set in these pictures have a R4 bottom row? And are the arrow keys R4 as well?
Look at the picture in the OP, keys and their row profiles are listed.
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 15:13:43
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 28 March 2015, 15:16:58
Shapow... WORLDSTAR!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oSzADzl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bI3QiHX.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cz8SCfh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SO7blVe.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3lcZLEk.jpg)
Fantastic :thumb:
(http://media.giphy.com/media/EaSH6bwyEQVkA/giphy.gif)
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 28 March 2015, 15:32:37
Post by: njbair on Sat, 28 March 2015, 15:38:49
Shapow... WORLDSTAR!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oSzADzl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bI3QiHX.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cz8SCfh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SO7blVe.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3lcZLEk.jpg)
This has convinced me that TA will look awesome on a modern board. I think I'm going to save my set for the Hubble Mira TKL!
Now the only question is, do I get the Mira in gunmetal...or teal?
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 15:42:51
85% of the way there. Still no vendor purchases yet intelli?I don't believe so, nubbs, but I am looking into it. Also wouldn't expect group orders from Asian communities, which could be substantial, to come in until last couple days. I'm not worried at all about 500, just want to try to get it a far past that as possible.
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 28 March 2015, 15:43:54
85% of the way there. Still no vendor purchases yet intelli?I don't believe so, nubbs, but I am looking into it. Also wouldn't expect group orders from Asian communities, which could be substantial, to come in until last couple days. I'm not worried at all about 500, just want to try to get it a far past that as possible.
Potential for extra keys if we get far enough past? Lower price? Something else?
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 15:47:18
Potential for extra keys if we get far enough past? Lower price? Something else?
Massdrop negotiated pretty hard on this, so perks we might normally get at levels like 1000 are not really on the table. That goodwill is already built into the $99 price. I believe it might be possible to do something around 1,500 but that's obviously a big stretch.
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 16:04:57
Send a tip to the following blogs.
Verge - http://www.theverge.com/tip-us
Engadget - http://www.engadget.com/about/tips/
Gizmodo - tipbox@gizmodo.com
GigaOM - news@gigaom.com
ZDNet - http://www.zdnet.com/tip-us-off/
TechCrunch - http://techcrunch.com/got-a-tip/
Just write a couple sentences about the significance of the buy and the history/rarity of the caps, and link to one or both of these reddit threads to show there is a lot of interest. You can copy-paste the same message to all the blogs.
http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/30lfyw/photos_triumph_adler_g813000_keycaps_w_croatian/
http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3066to/buying_gmk_triumph_adler_now_live_on_massdrop_the/
I will be really grateful to anyone who takes the time to do this. If enough people tip them off, one of the bigger blogs could pick it up - as mentioned before in this thread, they love retro revival stuff - and it could spread easily from there.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 28 March 2015, 16:26:37
Here's a way to help for anybody with 10-15 minutes to spare:
Send a tip to the following blogs.
Verge - http://www.theverge.com/tip-us
Engadget - http://www.engadget.com/about/tips/
Gizmodo - tipbox@gizmodo.com
GigaOM - news@gigaom.com
ZDNet - http://www.zdnet.com/tip-us-off/
TechCrunch - http://techcrunch.com/got-a-tip/
Just write a couple sentences about the significance of the buy and the history/rarity of the caps, and link to one or both of these reddit threads to show there is a lot of interest. You can copy-paste the same message to all the blogs.
http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/30lfyw/photos_triumph_adler_g813000_keycaps_w_croatian/
http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3066to/buying_gmk_triumph_adler_now_live_on_massdrop_the/
I will be really grateful to anyone who takes the time to do this. If enough people tip them off, one of the bigger blogs could pick it up - as mentioned before in this thread, they love retro revival stuff - and it could spread easily from there.
May I also suggest Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/contact-us/). I have found out about a lot of more obscure tech happenings there, and several of their staff writers are keyboard enthusiasts:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/why-i-use-a-20-year-old-ibm-model-m-keyboard/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/02/ask-ars-ergonomic-keyboards-101/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/typing-stealth-a-review-of-the-code-keyboard/
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 16:44:08
Post by: njbair on Sat, 28 March 2015, 16:47:25
Thanks for the tip - done. Will you contact them as well? Who else? They're much more likely to pay attention if they get multiple tips.
Done. (All of them, including Ars Technica.)
Here was my quick writeup:
Quote
Vintage keycap set reproduction: GMK Triumph Adler
There is a community effort to create a reproduction of a very rare and well-loved keyboard color set from the Triumph Adler 286.
http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3066to/buying_gmk_triumph_adler_now_live_on_massdrop_the/
Example keyboard with an original Triumph Adler keyset:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/30lfyw/photos_triumph_adler_g813000_keycaps_w_croatian/
This is an interesting human interest story because the set will not be produced unless enough people commit to purchase. That said, it's impressive that so many people (over 400 so far) are willing to spend $100 on replacement keycaps. The story is also historically interesting because the beautiful teal color is actually accidental--the result of blue plastic yellowing over time due to chemical additives.
It may seem like $100 is a lot for keycaps, but these will be among the highest-quality caps produced today. The keycaps will be produced by the German company GMK, who now owns and operates the original Cherry machinery that produced keycaps throughout the '80s and early '90s.
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 16:48:25
Post by: inanis on Sat, 28 March 2015, 16:49:53
Edited: Notes sent!
Post by: mz/x on Sat, 28 March 2015, 17:28:11
Here's a way to help for anybody with 10-15 minutes to spare:
Send a tip to the following blogs.
Verge - http://www.theverge.com/tip-us
Engadget - http://www.engadget.com/about/tips/
Gizmodo - tipbox@gizmodo.com
GigaOM - news@gigaom.com
ZDNet - http://www.zdnet.com/tip-us-off/
TechCrunch - http://techcrunch.com/got-a-tip/
Just write a couple sentences about the significance of the buy and the history/rarity of the caps, and link to one or both of these reddit threads to show there is a lot of interest. You can copy-paste the same message to all the blogs.
http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/30lfyw/photos_triumph_adler_g813000_keycaps_w_croatian/
http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3066to/buying_gmk_triumph_adler_now_live_on_massdrop_the/
I will be really grateful to anyone who takes the time to do this. If enough people tip them off, one of the bigger blogs could pick it up - as mentioned before in this thread, they love retro revival stuff - and it could spread easily from there.
May I also suggest Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/contact-us/). I have found out about a lot of more obscure tech happenings there, and several of their staff writers are keyboard enthusiasts:Done both, I hope it helps. :thumb:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/why-i-use-a-20-year-old-ibm-model-m-keyboard/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/02/ask-ars-ergonomic-keyboards-101/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/09/typing-stealth-a-review-of-the-code-keyboard/
Post by: taylordcraig on Sat, 28 March 2015, 18:00:33
Quote
Beautiful retro replica key caps available in this once in a lifetime MassDrop!
I'd like to bring some important retro computing to your attention!
We've got a once in a lifetime opportunity to purchase some REALLY amazing replica keycaps.
Massdrop has worked with KeyChatter.com to produce Triumph Adler [dario 286] replica keys.
They are beautiful, they are timeless, and they are available now!
I urge you to let your readers know of this amazing opportunity.
This is the buy.
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/triumph-adler-gmk-keyset
These are relevant links discussing it's beauty, rarity, and popularity.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70278.0
http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/30lfyw/photos_triumph_adler_g813000_keycaps_w_croatian/
http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3066to/buying_gmk_triumph_adler_now_live_on_massdrop_the/
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 28 March 2015, 18:10:10
Thanks for the tip - done. Will you contact them as well? Who else? They're much more likely to pay attention if they get multiple tips.I know LinusTechTips is sponsored by Massdrop, so maybe you could work something out
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 28 March 2015, 18:10:36
Thanks for the tip - done. Will you contact them as well? Who else? They're much more likely to pay attention if they get multiple tips.And I know slick who works at LTT is also a mechanical keyboard enthusiast
Post by: shibbyllama889 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 20:43:17
Post by: Novus on Sat, 28 March 2015, 20:44:31
Usually I'm only into blank sets but I feel like snagging two or three of these.
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 28 March 2015, 20:49:40
Man I've been behind lately, I just saw this one.
Usually I'm only into blank sets but I feel like snagging two or three of these.
That would be boss. 2-3 sets goes a long way when we only need about 70 more.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 28 March 2015, 21:10:26
Thanks to everyone who's helping, let's hope it gets picked up.Man I've been behind lately, I just saw this one.
Usually I'm only into blank sets but I feel like snagging two or three of these.
That would be boss. 2-3 sets goes a long way when we only need about 70 more.
I'm so close to buying a 2nd set...but I've already got Hack'd and 2 sets of Hyperfuse on order. That seems a little excessive.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 28 March 2015, 21:23:08
Thanks to everyone who's helping, let's hope it gets picked up.Man I've been behind lately, I just saw this one.
Usually I'm only into blank sets but I feel like snagging two or three of these.
That would be boss. 2-3 sets goes a long way when we only need about 70 more.
I'm so close to buying a 2nd set...but I've already got Hack'd and 2 sets of Hyperfuse on order. That seems a little excessive.
Just a little.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 28 March 2015, 21:28:21
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 28 March 2015, 21:41:58
Well whatever number you have you can take 1-2 off because I haven't even put my order in yet. Have to wait until the 1st.
Same here. I will be placing my order for 1-2 sets in a few days also.
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 28 March 2015, 21:46:37
I'm so close to buying a 2nd set...but I've already got Hack'd and 2 sets of Hyperfuse on order. That seems a little excessive.
Excessive....which tosser thinks that?
This is GEEKHACK which is suppose to be the HOME of Keyboard and Key-cap Adulation, hence no such thing as that perverted word known as "excessive". That word is better used upon the plebeian scum trash, residing elsewhere that are too ignorant to know what true key-cap collecting means.
ALWAYS go in hard and take no prisoners when it comes to getting what you deserve my son. Don't rely on other losers to cap your collecting needs and wants because they are the ones with real issues, not you 8) .
Stand tall and keep acquiring every decent key-cap made either by GMK or SP, it's your destiny to collect as much of them as humanly possible :thumb: .
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 28 March 2015, 22:28:15
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 28 March 2015, 22:30:54
Post by: cjhard on Sat, 28 March 2015, 22:36:18
Post by: njbair on Sat, 28 March 2015, 22:38:11
I'm so close to buying a 2nd set...but I've already got Hack'd and 2 sets of Hyperfuse on order. That seems a little excessive.
Excessive....which tosser thinks that?
This is GEEKHACK which is suppose to be the HOME of Keyboard and Key-cap Adulation, hence no such thing as that perverted word known as "excessive". That word is better used upon the plebeian scum trash, residing elsewhere that are too ignorant to know what true key-cap collecting means.
ALWAYS go in hard and take no prisoners when it comes to getting what you deserve my son. Don't rely on other losers to cap your collecting needs and wants because they are the ones with real issues, not you 8) .
Stand tall and keep acquiring every decent key-cap made either by GMK or SP, it's your destiny to collect as much of them as humanly possible :thumb: .
I literally just upped my qty to 2 because of this post. Elrick, you truly are the hype master.
Post by: cjhard on Sat, 28 March 2015, 22:41:00
I'm so close to buying a 2nd set...but I've already got Hack'd and 2 sets of Hyperfuse on order. That seems a little excessive.
Excessive....which tosser thinks that?
This is GEEKHACK which is suppose to be the HOME of Keyboard and Key-cap Adulation, hence no such thing as that perverted word known as "excessive". That word is better used upon the plebeian scum trash, residing elsewhere that are too ignorant to know what true key-cap collecting means.
ALWAYS go in hard and take no prisoners when it comes to getting what you deserve my son. Don't rely on other losers to cap your collecting needs and wants because they are the ones with real issues, not you 8) .
Stand tall and keep acquiring every decent key-cap made either by GMK or SP, it's your destiny to collect as much of them as humanly possible :thumb: .
I literally just upped my qty to 2 because of this post. Elrick, you truly are the hype master.
Did you have qty 1 before? Because Massdrop shows a total of 2 were added to our running total, but Recent Activity only shows your name. I wonder if that's a bug and everyone adding additional qty counts as a whole new buyer to their counter?
Post by: njbair on Sat, 28 March 2015, 23:10:20
I'm so close to buying a 2nd set...but I've already got Hack'd and 2 sets of Hyperfuse on order. That seems a little excessive.
Excessive....which tosser thinks that?
This is GEEKHACK which is suppose to be the HOME of Keyboard and Key-cap Adulation, hence no such thing as that perverted word known as "excessive". That word is better used upon the plebeian scum trash, residing elsewhere that are too ignorant to know what true key-cap collecting means.
ALWAYS go in hard and take no prisoners when it comes to getting what you deserve my son. Don't rely on other losers to cap your collecting needs and wants because they are the ones with real issues, not you 8) .
Stand tall and keep acquiring every decent key-cap made either by GMK or SP, it's your destiny to collect as much of them as humanly possible :thumb: .
I literally just upped my qty to 2 because of this post. Elrick, you truly are the hype master.
Did you have qty 1 before? Because Massdrop shows a total of 2 were added to our running total, but Recent Activity only shows your name. I wonder if that's a bug and everyone adding additional qty counts as a whole new buyer to their counter?
Yes I was at 1 and went up to 2.
It's probably not a bug, but maybe the recent activity log doesn't update in real-time or something. Or maybe Massdrop has privacy settings that someone turned on. Who knows? But I'm sure it's nothing to worry about.
Post by: Nai_Calus on Sun, 29 March 2015, 00:37:43
Post by: ShardZer0 on Sun, 29 March 2015, 00:38:45
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 29 March 2015, 04:00:14
I'm in for 2. :thumb:
Brilliant it all helps to break this MOQ requirement.
Another unique, and very authentic German Made key-set coming our way here. When this one reaches the golden number for production it's you guys that need to be thanked. Without you lot this becomes another "would-be" GMK set, and there are heaps of those over the years that could of become a reality but failed.
No body likes failure because it shows the weakness of would-be collectors and WE are not in that category, WE are the believers, the ones that WANT this to happen without question or hesitation. Because WE have that eternal faith in joining and making sure it becomes successful without any reluctance shown or exhibited BECAUSE WE ARE THE CHOSEN GMK WORSHIPERS :thumb: .
Amen, Brothers in Arms........
Post by: Spopepro on Sun, 29 March 2015, 04:45:14
Solution: start drafting a metal G80-3000 case and build another keyboard.
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 29 March 2015, 05:58:33
Post by: shower_king on Sun, 29 March 2015, 06:17:56
Post by: intelli78 on Sun, 29 March 2015, 06:34:49
Post by: intelli78 on Sun, 29 March 2015, 06:38:17
I am in for two on EC for this set , but have no money for the third oneHow many orders does EC have so far, and when is the deadline? You are using a proxy shipper, right?
Post by: whizzard on Sun, 29 March 2015, 07:39:29
Post by: shower_king on Sun, 29 March 2015, 07:40:10
EC have 24 orders and they all paid already. The deadline will be March 31，only two days left. Yeah,we choose one proxy shipper.I am in for two on EC for this set , but have no money for the third oneHow many orders does EC have so far, and when is the deadline? You are using a proxy shipper, right?
Post by: zombimuncha on Sun, 29 March 2015, 11:40:13
Post by: sethk_ on Sun, 29 March 2015, 13:34:35
Post by: nightdriver on Sun, 29 March 2015, 14:05:41
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 29 March 2015, 14:33:08
Post by: taylordcraig on Sun, 29 March 2015, 14:47:36
Being conservative while I look for a new job.
Post by: njbair on Sun, 29 March 2015, 14:49:05
Post by: wlhlm on Sun, 29 March 2015, 15:26:53
Post by: ideus on Sun, 29 March 2015, 16:01:45
Post by: elton5354 on Sun, 29 March 2015, 17:28:15
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sun, 29 March 2015, 17:44:46
Post by: Binge on Sun, 29 March 2015, 18:44:24
Post by: dyrdevil on Sun, 29 March 2015, 18:47:15
:):):):)
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 29 March 2015, 18:53:51
"Welcome to the group. You are the 500th participant in this drop. Thanks to you joining, the group is now saving a total of $10,000."
:) :) :) :)
On ya Buddy :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: .
This is what I'm talking about, when it comes down to the wire the TRUE collectors come forth to make sure everyone shares in this momentous opportunity in owning authentic German-Made key-caps 8) .
Post by: limitz on Sun, 29 March 2015, 18:59:12
Post by: inanis on Sun, 29 March 2015, 18:59:17
Post by: slickmamba on Sun, 29 March 2015, 18:59:42
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:01:49
Post by: intelli78 on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:02:13
CONRATS INTELLI!! YOUR BABY IS COMING!how is babby formed
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:18:15
Post by: njbair on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:21:25
What is the record for number of GMK sets sold in a GB? I have a feeling that this could take the cake.AFAIK it's Hyperfuse with 618.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:21:57
What is the record for number of GMK sets sold in a GB? I have a feeling that this could take the cake.
I think it would be Hyperfuse, though I don't know the numbers for that one.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:23:04
What is the record for number of GMK sets sold in a GB? I have a feeling that this could take the cake.AFAIK it's Hyperfuse with 618.
I'd say that should be our goal.
I wish I could afford a second set. :(
Post by: shower_king on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:56:15
Post by: ideus on Sun, 29 March 2015, 20:12:36
Post by: cjhard on Sun, 29 March 2015, 20:19:05
Post by: intelli78 on Sun, 29 March 2015, 20:28:19
It's not over with until GMK accepts the order and begins production. If we're super lucky, they'll actually be able to reproduce the colors. Judging by how their mockups usually look (especially with their cyan color), I think someone at GMK might be colorblind.Please don't worry about that. The colors in the mockups have nothing to do with the actual color matching process that will be used.
500 is great, but we knew that would happen. Now, time to see how far past 500 we can get.
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 29 March 2015, 21:39:18
It's not over with until GMK accepts the order and begins production. If we're super lucky, they'll actually be able to reproduce the colors. Judging by how their mockups usually look (especially with their cyan color), I think someone at GMK might be colorblind.Please don't worry about that. The colors in the mockups have nothing to do with the actual color matching process that will be used.
500 is great, but we knew that would happen. Now, time to see how far past 500 we can get.
I would ball-park it around a possible 750ish? Glad I joined this. Congrats intelli!
Post by: ryptide11 on Sun, 29 March 2015, 21:46:19
Post by: Nai_Calus on Sun, 29 March 2015, 22:33:14
Post by: morpheus on Sun, 29 March 2015, 22:40:02
Congrat's intelli.
On to 700
Post by: Den441 on Mon, 30 March 2015, 01:08:32
Thanks again and congrats to intelli for getting this done and turning this once obscure keyboard legend into something we can all enjoy. It is my dream keyset, and I know everyone who has placed an order will be very pleased with it.
Post by: henz on Mon, 30 March 2015, 01:18:03
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 30 March 2015, 01:47:41
nice price, i just joined :thumb:
Especially now, getting all the extras as well for that small price.
Can you imagine a colour-way done in the 80's still has resonance even now, everyone and his dog is into this Group Buy 8) .
Always knew the older colour-ways will attract far more people when you know it has a timeless quality that never ages into the future.
Post by: Chemisery on Mon, 30 March 2015, 04:21:27
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 30 March 2015, 04:53:06
nice price, i just joined :thumb:
Especially now, getting all the extras as well for that small price.
Can you imagine a colour-way done in the 80's still has resonance even now, everyone and his dog is into this Group Buy 8) .
Always knew the older colour-ways will attract far more people when you know it has a timeless quality that never ages into the future.
That's a bit ironic, considering what happened to the original colour!
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 30 March 2015, 06:05:07
That's a bit ironic, considering what happened to the original colour!
It's all about the COLOUR regardless if it's been left out in your back yard for 15 years or not.
Maybe I should of said AGED to PERFECTION ;) .
Always liked this colour-way for it's transformation into something GLORIOUS just like Penumbra's "Yellowish Shade" which symbolizes age. Why wait for 15 years in the sunlight?
Post by: bazh on Mon, 30 March 2015, 06:55:22
Post by: shower_king on Mon, 30 March 2015, 07:02:34
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 30 March 2015, 08:40:54
I'm looking for a proxy now :( anyone can help me :(
I'm happy to help; I live in Florida, USA and don't mind shipping overseas. Does Massdrop not ship to your location?
Post by: henz on Mon, 30 March 2015, 09:34:07
nice price, i just joined :thumb:
Especially now, getting all the extras as well for that small price.
Can you imagine a colour-way done in the 80's still has resonance even now, everyone and his dog is into this Group Buy 8) .
Always knew the older colour-ways will attract far more people when you know it has a timeless quality that never ages into the future.
This will be my first GMK set, i chose the right one! :D
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 30 March 2015, 09:41:02
Especially now, getting all the extras as well for that small price.
I haven't been following this, what are the extras?
Post by: plegnic on Mon, 30 March 2015, 10:00:18
Especially now, getting all the extras as well for that small price.
I haven't been following this, what are the extras?
Here's what all comes in the box:
(https://massdrop.imgix.net/resizer/735x/product-images/MD-5860_20150324130522_0da311feb6a423f6.png)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 30 March 2015, 10:02:51
Especially now, getting all the extras as well for that small price.
I haven't been following this, what are the extras?
Here's what all comes in the box:Show Image(https://massdrop.imgix.net/resizer/735x/product-images/MD-5860_20150324130522_0da311feb6a423f6.png)
So no extras then.
Post by: osi on Mon, 30 March 2015, 10:05:06
Especially now, getting all the extras as well for that small price.
I haven't been following this, what are the extras?
Here's what all comes in the box:Show Image(https://massdrop.imgix.net/resizer/735x/product-images/MD-5860_20150324130522_0da311feb6a423f6.png)
So no extras then.
lol
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 30 March 2015, 10:22:40
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 30 March 2015, 10:24:23
Unless intelli has some magic up his sleeves.
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 30 March 2015, 11:03:17
Post by: njbair on Mon, 30 March 2015, 11:20:19
Especially now, getting all the extras as well for that small price.
I haven't been following this, what are the extras?
Elrick was referring to the WKL support, blank caps, teal spacebars, 60% symmetry, stepped caps, etc. As opposed to a plain 104-key set.
Post by: Binge on Mon, 30 March 2015, 11:29:27
Especially now, getting all the extras as well for that small price.
I haven't been following this, what are the extras?
Elrick was referring to the WKL support, blank caps, teal spacebars, 60% symmetry, stepped caps, etc. As opposed to a plain 104-key set.
Your mother is a plain 104-key set. Elrick for prez 2015!!!!!!
Post by: njbair on Mon, 30 March 2015, 11:44:22
Especially now, getting all the extras as well for that small price.
I haven't been following this, what are the extras?
Elrick was referring to the WKL support, blank caps, teal spacebars, 60% symmetry, stepped caps, etc. As opposed to a plain 104-key set.
Your mother is a plain 104-key set. Elrick for prez 2015!!!!!!
How dare you. My mother lost her winkeys during childbirth.
Is Elrick running for prez? I need to see a birth certificate, please. Also, who runs for president in 2015? Whatever. I'd vote for him.
Binge did you end up caving in and jumping on this set?
Post by: bazh on Mon, 30 March 2015, 12:28:58
I'm looking for a proxy now :( anyone can help me :(
I'm happy to help; I live in Florida, USA and don't mind shipping overseas. Does Massdrop not ship to your location?
Great :thumb: MassDrop ship to Finland but not Vietnam, problem is I'm not sure where of which I will be the time the keycaps get done so I just want some one to do the proxy and ship it later to me then :P
pm you about it in no time :thumb:
Post by: cryptowillem on Mon, 30 March 2015, 12:43:36
Now I'll have till June to find the perfect board for them.
Post by: Binge on Mon, 30 March 2015, 12:45:25
Especially now, getting all the extras as well for that small price.
I haven't been following this, what are the extras?
Elrick was referring to the WKL support, blank caps, teal spacebars, 60% symmetry, stepped caps, etc. As opposed to a plain 104-key set.
Your mother is a plain 104-key set. Elrick for prez 2015!!!!!!
How dare you. My mother lost her winkeys during childbirth.
Is Elrick running for prez? I need to see a birth certificate, please. Also, who runs for president in 2015? Whatever. I'd vote for him.
Binge did you end up caving in and jumping on this set?
I saw there were 2 left until it tipped. As much as I don't like what's happening. I like Inteli enough to support it when it was obv so close to fruition.
Post by: litster on Mon, 30 March 2015, 15:58:45
Post by: njbair on Mon, 30 March 2015, 17:09:50
The price seems to be very good. Maybe Massdrop is the best way for DMK groupbuys going forward.I honestly wonder how many sales should be chalked up to Massdrop and how many to the fact that Intelli is active and well-known across all three largest online keyboard communities. He also promoted this hard.
A similar quantity was reached with GMK Hyperfuse despite not being on Massdrop.
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 30 March 2015, 17:12:32
But it also ran for 45 days I believe. I wonder how the sales distribution was for Hyperfuse over time...The price seems to be very good. Maybe Massdrop is the best way for DMK groupbuys going forward.I honestly wonder how many sales should be chalked up to Massdrop and how many to the fact that Intelli is active and well-known across all three largest online keyboard communities. He also promoted this hard.
A similar quantity was reached with GMK Hyperfuse despite not being on Massdrop.
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 30 March 2015, 17:13:47
Can you imagine how many people would have jumped on either this or Hyperfuse if they hadn't run so nearly together? I myself didn't buy into Hyperfuse just because Triumph Adler was coming up soon.
Post by: njbair on Mon, 30 March 2015, 17:31:43
Both HF and TA got similar quantity (so far), and much higher in comparison to Dolch. Maybe we just prefer a "Click the Thing to Buy" style GB rather than "Fill out a form and wait for an invoice" style GB?Hard to say. Is a form too big a hurdle for someone who is committed enough to drop a hundred bucks on these sets? And I know Hyperfuse was well below 250 up until the last few days of the buy.
Can you imagine how many people would have jumped on either this or Hyperfuse if they hadn't run so nearly together? I myself didn't buy into Hyperfuse just because Triumph Adler was coming up soon.
I think it's all Elrick's hype that does it.
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 30 March 2015, 17:33:14
I don't think it was well under 250 before the final days, it had a lot of hype without Elrick, but Elrick did help a lot.Both HF and TA got similar quantity (so far), and much higher in comparison to Dolch. Maybe we just prefer a "Click the Thing to Buy" style GB rather than "Fill out a form and wait for an invoice" style GB?Hard to say. Is a form too big a hurdle for someone who is committed enough to drop a hundred bucks on these sets? And I know Hyperfuse was well below 250 up until the last few days of the buy.
Can you imagine how many people would have jumped on either this or Hyperfuse if they hadn't run so nearly together? I myself didn't buy into Hyperfuse just because Triumph Adler was coming up soon.
I think it's all Elrick's hype that does it.
Post by: whentheclouds on Mon, 30 March 2015, 17:52:53
And I know Hyperfuse was well below 250 up until the last few days of the buy.you mean below 500. Hyperfuse was never in danger of not meeting MOQ
I think it's all Elrick's hype that does it.
Post by: slickmamba on Mon, 30 March 2015, 17:57:09
One buyer bought a crapton of sets. Hyperfuse was never in danger of not meeting the 250 markAnd I know Hyperfuse was well below 250 up until the last few days of the buy.you mean below 500. Hyperfuse was never in danger of not meeting MOQ
I think it's all Elrick's hype that does it.
Post by: njbair on Mon, 30 March 2015, 18:08:06
You're right... It was the 400 qty tier that was hyped up at the end. My bad.I don't think it was well under 250 before the final days, it had a lot of hype without Elrick, but Elrick did help a lot.Both HF and TA got similar quantity (so far), and much higher in comparison to Dolch. Maybe we just prefer a "Click the Thing to Buy" style GB rather than "Fill out a form and wait for an invoice" style GB?Hard to say. Is a form too big a hurdle for someone who is committed enough to drop a hundred bucks on these sets? And I know Hyperfuse was well below 250 up until the last few days of the buy.
Can you imagine how many people would have jumped on either this or Hyperfuse if they hadn't run so nearly together? I myself didn't buy into Hyperfuse just because Triumph Adler was coming up soon.
I think it's all Elrick's hype that does it.
And I know Hyperfuse was well below 250 up until the last few days of the buy.you mean below 500. Hyperfuse was never in danger of not meeting MOQ
I think it's all Elrick's hype that does it.
One buyer a crapton of sets. Hyperfuse was never in danger of not meeting the 250 markAnd I know Hyperfuse was well below 250 up until the last few days of the buy.you mean below 500. Hyperfuse was never in danger of not meeting MOQ
I think it's all Elrick's hype that does it.
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 30 March 2015, 18:08:57
Especially now, getting all the extras as well for that small price.
I haven't been following this, what are the extras?
Here's what all comes in the box:Show Image(https://massdrop.imgix.net/resizer/735x/product-images/MD-5860_20150324130522_0da311feb6a423f6.png)
So no extras then.
EXTRAS....so you think getting 7" spacers in Grey and Teal means nothing to you greedy lot PLUS - ISO and Tsangan Set bundled in as well ?
Normally there is only 104 keys (check Sherry's dodgey prices for similar GMK made sets) and that's it but you are getting way more amount of keys for $99.99USD.
Post by: slickmamba on Mon, 30 March 2015, 18:11:54
Especially now, getting all the extras as well for that small price.
I haven't been following this, what are the extras?
Here's what all comes in the box:Show Image(https://massdrop.imgix.net/resizer/735x/product-images/MD-5860_20150324130522_0da311feb6a423f6.png)
So no extras then.
EXTRAS....so you think getting 7" spacers in Grey and Teal means nothing to you greedy lot PLUS - ISO and Tsangan Set bundled in as well ?
Normally there is only 104 keys (check Sherry's dodgey prices for similar GMK made sets) and that's it but you are getting way more amount of keys for $99.99USD.
Maybe hes talking about extras above what has already been shown?
Post by: nightdriver on Mon, 30 March 2015, 18:17:21
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 30 March 2015, 18:26:49
Maybe hes talking about extras above what has already been shown?
Go to any CURRENT webstore anywhere and try and buy a complete ABS set, including a Tsangan and ISO bundled into a complete price tag of $99.99, see what happens?
The standard sold set on the Web is 104 keys and that's it, but we are paying $99.99 for 121 keys. Don't have to be Einstein to work out this package gives you far more than any other for that price tag.
Best of all it's 100% MADE in Germany meaning the MOST excellent quality that could ever be manufactured on this planet in 2015 :thumb: .
Post by: slickmamba on Mon, 30 March 2015, 19:47:56
Maybe hes talking about extras above what has already been shown?
Go to any CURRENT webstore anywhere and try and buy a complete ABS set, including a Tsangan and ISO bundled into a complete price tag of $99.99, see what happens?
The standard sold set on the Web is 104 keys and that's it, but we are paying $99.99 for 121 keys. Don't have to be Einstein to work out this package gives you far more than any other for that price tag.
Best of all it's 100% MADE in Germany meaning the MOST excellent quality that could ever be manufactured on this planet in 2015 :thumb: .
I agree, but that wasn't my point.
Post by: litster on Mon, 30 March 2015, 20:01:48
Maybe hes talking about extras above what has already been shown?
Go to any CURRENT webstore anywhere and try and buy a complete ABS set, including a Tsangan and ISO bundled into a complete price tag of $99.99, see what happens?
The standard sold set on the Web is 104 keys and that's it, but we are paying $99.99 for 121 keys. Don't have to be Einstein to work out this package gives you far more than any other for that price tag.
Best of all it's 100% MADE in Germany meaning the MOST excellent quality that could ever be manufactured on this planet in 2015 :thumb: .
Exactly. Good quality from GMK. Great price from MassDrop. Maybe MassDrop could do another Dolch set.
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 30 March 2015, 20:06:10
Exactly. Good quality from GMK. Great price from MassDrop. Maybe MassDrop could do another Dolch set.
No point in re-running sets. Need to do more new sets with them instead.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 30 March 2015, 20:33:00
by the way, is it too optimistic to set the order time to just 12 days? Even smaller keyset GB took more than that if I remember right
//order put in soon
In hindsight it was probably to keep the GB from getting too large and making it gum up the works at the production plant. Over 550 purchased so far! Holy crap.
Post by: Sygaldry on Mon, 30 March 2015, 20:36:08
Both HF and TA got similar quantity (so far), and much higher in comparison to Dolch. Maybe we just prefer a "Click the Thing to Buy" style GB rather than "Fill out a form and wait for an invoice" style GB?Hard to say. Is a form too big a hurdle for someone who is committed enough to drop a hundred bucks on these sets? And I know Hyperfuse was well below 250 up until the last few days of the buy.
Can you imagine how many people would have jumped on either this or Hyperfuse if they hadn't run so nearly together? I myself didn't buy into Hyperfuse just because Triumph Adler was coming up soon.
I think it's all Elrick's hype that does it.
Elrick's hype definitely rallied the GH community together to support these two buys =]
But I'm guessing that the overwhelming success of HF and TA might have something to do with the fact that Hyperfuse and Triumph Adler were promoted pretty extensively outside of the GH community whereas GMK Dolch was pretty much unknown outside of GH (source: I wasn't a member of GH when GMK Dolch orders were open and I had no clue the GB existed until I joined GH a couple months later and orders were closed already).
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 30 March 2015, 20:41:48
In hindsight it was probably to keep the GB from getting too large and making it gum up the works at the production plant. Over 550 purchased so far! Holy crap.
You are kidding right?
GMK produces millions of key-caps for huge Corporations, World-wide they pay anywhere up to half a million dollars to complete one production run.
Our tiny order amount could be done between lunch breaks at their factory in Germany. GMK is really large so don't even worry about our orders ever flooding their molds, it will never happen.
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 30 March 2015, 21:08:59
Post by: njbair on Mon, 30 March 2015, 21:22:28
Both HF and TA got similar quantity (so far), and much higher in comparison to Dolch. Maybe we just prefer a "Click the Thing to Buy" style GB rather than "Fill out a form and wait for an invoice" style GB?Hard to say. Is a form too big a hurdle for someone who is committed enough to drop a hundred bucks on these sets? And I know Hyperfuse was well below 250 up until the last few days of the buy.
Can you imagine how many people would have jumped on either this or Hyperfuse if they hadn't run so nearly together? I myself didn't buy into Hyperfuse just because Triumph Adler was coming up soon.
I think it's all Elrick's hype that does it.
Elrick's hype definitely rallied the GH community together to support these two buys =]
But I'm guessing that the overwhelming success of HF and TA might have something to do with the fact that Hyperfuse and Triumph Adler were promoted pretty extensively outside of the GH community whereas GMK Dolch was pretty much unknown outside of GH (source: I wasn't a member of GH when GMK Dolch orders were open and I had no clue the GB existed until I joined GH a couple months later and orders were closed already).
The two sets are both GMK, but they are different in so many other ways. HF uses standard colors; TA colors are all custom. HF has been produced in two other profiles by Signature Plastics; TA is the first run of this colorway by any vendor (excluding the vintage). HF is decidedly futuristic; TA is nostalgic and timeless. HF supports a large number of nonstandard layouts; TA was forced to limit extra keys because of higher costs associated with custom colors. HF ran for a month and a half; TA is running for less than two weeks.
The fact that the two buys are so different is really encouraging, because it proves that a successful GMK group buy is not a fluke, but a new reality for the community. Where do we go from here? It's anyone's guess, but I really believe we're just getting warmed up.
Post by: bueller on Mon, 30 March 2015, 21:35:00
Exactly. Good quality from GMK. Great price from MassDrop. Maybe MassDrop could do another Dolch set.
No point in re-running sets. Need to do more new sets with them instead.
GMK Toxic. We can get the numbers now and we all know how amazing that set looks.
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 30 March 2015, 21:35:37
The fact that the two buys are so different is really encouraging, because it proves that a successful GMK group buy is not a fluke, but a new reality for the community. Where do we go from here? It's anyone's guess, but I really believe we're just getting warmed up.
Damn right :thumb: .
BunnyLake has already mentioned previously that he would like to concentrate on future Group Buys for GMK only. Get ready for more unique german quality key-sets in every colour you could ever wish for :o .
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Mon, 30 March 2015, 21:43:58
If that gets made I'm done... For real, done. :-*
Exactly. Good quality from GMK. Great price from MassDrop. Maybe MassDrop could do another Dolch set.
No point in re-running sets. Need to do more new sets with them instead.
GMK Toxic. We can get the numbers now and we all know how amazing that set looks.
Post by: bueller on Mon, 30 March 2015, 21:47:40
If that gets made I'm done... For real, done. :-*
Exactly. Good quality from GMK. Great price from MassDrop. Maybe MassDrop could do another Dolch set.
No point in re-running sets. Need to do more new sets with them instead.
GMK Toxic. We can get the numbers now and we all know how amazing that set looks.
****in ay man, complete end-game set for me. It was the first GB I signed up for here, by the time it actually ran I had already moved away from buying SP sets to GMK only. If we could get a Toxic GMK buy I'd definitely buy 2-3 sets.
Post by: whentheclouds on Mon, 30 March 2015, 21:55:46
Post by: pryedthirdeye on Mon, 30 March 2015, 22:42:47
Post by: nightdriver on Mon, 30 March 2015, 23:12:22
then again, it doesn't have the same allure of something you haven't been able to get before...
Post by: bueller on Mon, 30 March 2015, 23:20:49
dolch is a really classic timeless look though. i have a feeling it might have the same sort of reception.
then again, it doesn't have the same allure of something you haven't been able to get before...
Problem is its been run a ton of times already. It's already been run twice on GH in addition to the two times that Sherry ran it with Originative. That's a lot of sets out in the wild.
Post by: shower_king on Mon, 30 March 2015, 23:28:19
But some color in toxic set may not be included in GMK colors, if we make toxic happen, perhaps we should change some color according to the GMK's colors.
Any creactive, originative and novel layout as color-way combine with GMK's quality and fabulous touch-feeling make me excited
Looking forward to new GMK, but waiting for my wallet to recover
Post by: nightdriver on Mon, 30 March 2015, 23:33:25
Post by: bueller on Mon, 30 March 2015, 23:39:57
I can't resis to the tampation of GMK, no matter what the color is TOXIC or miami or TA or hyper fuse or so on .
But some color in toxic set may not be included in GMK colors, if we make toxic happen, perhaps we should change some color according to the GMK's colors.
Any creactive, originative and novel layout as color-way combine with GMK's quality and fabulous touch-feeling make me excited
Looking forward to new GMK, but waiting for my wallet to recover
With some promotion I doubt custom colors will be a problem for Toxic, I think this set has proved MD can get the extra numbers to hit the 500 MOQ. Just need to keep the price at the $99 mark or close to it.
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 31 March 2015, 02:33:29
I can't resis to the tampation of GMK, no matter what the color is TOXIC or miami or TA or hyper fuse or so on .
Looking forward to new GMK, but waiting for my wallet to recover
True GMK fanatic, LOVE it all no matter what colour-way is presented out of GMK, that shows true addiction and real fandom beyond any expectations even here for Geekhack 8) .
Proud of knowing similar Key-cap junkies which can NEVER get enough of these precious items. Want to be buried in GMK goodness six feet down into my crypt when I pass from this world into the next :thumb: .
Post by: bazh on Tue, 31 March 2015, 03:03:11
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 31 March 2015, 11:19:06
In hindsight it was probably to keep the GB from getting too large and making it gum up the works at the production plant. Over 550 purchased so far! Holy crap.
You are kidding right?
GMK produces millions of key-caps for huge Corporations, World-wide they pay anywhere up to half a million dollars to complete one production run.
Our tiny order amount could be done between lunch breaks at their factory in Germany. GMK is really large so don't even worry about our orders ever flooding their molds, it will never happen.
of course it was sarcasm.
Post by: Ouro on Tue, 31 March 2015, 11:41:19
Post by: zombimuncha on Tue, 31 March 2015, 12:37:16
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 31 March 2015, 13:27:09
Sorry for spamming the thread, but I'm still looking for a friendly ISO-user who'd be keen to sell me their unused 2.25 LShift. Please PM me!
I'd recommend waiting until after people start getting stuff to post.
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 31 March 2015, 13:42:50
Sorry for spamming the thread, but I'm still looking for a friendly ISO-user who'd be keen to sell me their unused 2.25 LShift. Please PM me!
I'd recommend waiting until after people start getting stuff to post.
He doesn't want to buy in unless he can guarantee that it will work with his FC660M.
Post by: cjhard on Tue, 31 March 2015, 13:47:25
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 31 March 2015, 15:18:14
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 31 March 2015, 15:30:50
Buy two sets and sell the leftovers
Haha yup. If you buy a second set and steal the left shift, the leftovers still make a great package for an ISO user.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 31 March 2015, 15:34:08
Buy two sets and sell the leftovers
Haha yup. If you buy a second set and steal the left shift, the leftovers still make a great package for an ISO user.
A set for a key? well, this is GH's insanity to the max.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Tue, 31 March 2015, 15:45:31
Buy two sets and sell the leftovers
Haha yup. If you buy a second set and steal the left shift, the leftovers still make a great package for an ISO user.
A set for a key? well, this is GH's insanity to the max.
Well it's not what I would do, but it is a solution.
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 31 March 2015, 15:47:01
Post by: mz/x on Tue, 31 March 2015, 16:26:32
Have you heard anything from MD about labelling the packages as re-import to the EU (including UK)?
Post by: ideus on Tue, 31 March 2015, 18:16:53
Sorry for spamming the thread, but I'm still looking for a friendly ISO-user who'd be keen to sell me their unused 2.25 LShift. Please PM me!
This is one of the side effects of Leopoldithis, the illness transmitted by some Leopold models with weird layouts.
Post by: cjhard on Tue, 31 March 2015, 18:39:05
Post by: njbair on Tue, 31 March 2015, 18:46:04
Buy two sets, and then buy a US-ISO board to fit the second set onto
You're going places. I like you.
Post by: cjhard on Tue, 31 March 2015, 18:50:32
I like you.
:D I am liked! This is great!
Post by: shower_king on Tue, 31 March 2015, 19:56:00
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 31 March 2015, 19:57:15
The orders on EC reached 40 finally, adding up to the 601 now in MD, this group has already surpassed the hyper fuse. congratulations.
HF had 618
Post by: mason on Tue, 31 March 2015, 20:24:43
The orders on EC reached 40 finally, adding up to the 601 now in MD, this group has already surpassed the hyper fuse. congratulations.
HF had 618
I think shower_king is saying there's actually 641 right now
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 31 March 2015, 20:28:23
Oh, makes sense, thanks!The orders on EC reached 40 finally, adding up to the 601 now in MD, this group has already surpassed the hyper fuse. congratulations.
HF had 618
I think shower_king is saying there's actually 641 right now
Post by: sorijealut on Tue, 31 March 2015, 21:05:26
It's great seeing such a good number on Massdrop.
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 31 March 2015, 21:11:24
Post by: sorijealut on Tue, 31 March 2015, 21:53:25
Debating so much about whether or not to get in on this set. I know I'll regret it later if I don't. :/
Same here...! ughhh
Post by: cjhard on Tue, 31 March 2015, 21:54:14
Do it! Do it!
Do iiiiiiit!
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 31 March 2015, 22:02:41
Debating so much about whether or not to get in on this set. I know I'll regret it later if I don't. :/
Same. In the never ending cycle of "I need to buy this or else i'll regret it later"
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 31 March 2015, 22:09:20
Particularly when I get my credit card bill!
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 31 March 2015, 22:15:48
I'll probably also regret it later if I do though :P
Particularly when I get my credit card bill!
But that's okay though, because by then, you've already bought it :D
Happy when you place your order
Sad when you have to pay the credit card bill
Happy again when you receive your set :D
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 31 March 2015, 22:16:34
I'll probably also regret it later if I do though :p
Particularly when I get my credit card bill!
When you have nothing in your hands like the TA's then it doesn't matter any more........ :'( far better to still have a bill that can be paid off quickly then having sweet fvck-all to show for it.
Bills just show what you have acquired something special hence celebrate the enjoyment of receiving these unique pieces of Art when they arrive into your mailbox :thumb: .
Post by: shower_king on Tue, 31 March 2015, 23:36:56
Post by: byker on Tue, 31 March 2015, 23:40:54
Here i have a question about shipment for intelli 78. After production of these keycaps, whether GMK shipped them to massdrop then the staff of MD delivered them to all the world or GMK shipped them to you ,then you delivered to all the proxies and participants around the world?
GMK -> Massdrop -> You!
Post by: julayyy on Wed, 01 April 2015, 00:43:21
Post by: morpheus on Wed, 01 April 2015, 01:44:37
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 01 April 2015, 02:37:24
Every time I come back to the pics, I think this is gonna be the most epic set ever.
Too fvcking right, when these arrive into your hot hands it will be like some kind of miracle occurring with the MOST perfect ABS set ever made in this world :thumb: .
The best time will be installing every piece of key into your chosen keyboard, then bingo, you shall have perfection upon earth........
Post by: Jokrik on Wed, 01 April 2015, 07:25:55
Like seriously...
SERIOUSLY
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 01 April 2015, 07:52:54
Every time I come back to the pics, I think this is gonna be the most epic set ever.
Too fvcking right, when these arrive into your hot hands it will be like some kind of miracle occurring with the MOST perfect ABS set ever made in this world :thumb: .
The best time will be installing every piece of key into your chosen keyboard, then bingo, you shall have perfection upon earth........
I feel like my KUL ES-87 is not worthy of this set. I'm searching for a more worthy board currently. :cool:
Post by: njbair on Wed, 01 April 2015, 08:41:40
I bought a new keyboard JUST for this set....
Like seriously...
SERIOUSLY
What kind?
Post by: Jokrik on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:05:41
Hint :I bought a new keyboard JUST for this set....
Like seriously...
SERIOUSLY
What kind?
Full size
Kin25
Gonna be epic with this set :)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:27:38
Hint :I bought a new keyboard JUST for this set....
Like seriously...
SERIOUSLY
What kind?
Full size
Kin25
Gonna be epic with this set :)
Niiiiiiiice. Silver case? I'm going gray case w/ HyperFuse :thumb:
Post by: Jokrik on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:40:30
Mines not a tx1800 thoughHint :I bought a new keyboard JUST for this set....
Like seriously...
SERIOUSLY
What kind?
Full size
Kin25
Gonna be epic with this set :)
Niiiiiiiice. Silver case? I'm going gray case w/ HyperFuse :thumb:
It's a full size keyboard not in the GB anywhere, wanna keep it a secret until I can show the epicness ;)
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:58:27
Oh boy. Sounds something special :)Mines not a tx1800 thoughHint :I bought a new keyboard JUST for this set....
Like seriously...
SERIOUSLY
What kind?
Full size
Kin25
Gonna be epic with this set :)
Niiiiiiiice. Silver case? I'm going gray case w/ HyperFuse :thumb:
It's a full size keyboard not in the GB anywhere, wanna keep it a secret until I can show the epicness ;)
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 01 April 2015, 14:09:46
I have no way to judge how many people are waiting/ on the fence, but if it goes like Hyperfuse, we could hit 1k.
Post by: njbair on Wed, 01 April 2015, 15:01:29
Wow, 675...
I have no way to judge how many people are waiting/ on the fence, but if it goes like Hyperfuse, we could hit 1k.
This is crazy. 3 days left!
Did any of the tech sites pick up on the story that you know of?
Post by: mz/x on Wed, 01 April 2015, 15:15:12
Wow, 675...
I have no way to judge how many people are waiting/ on the fence, but if it goes like Hyperfuse, we could hit 1k.
Yes, it will go far. However, can you please check with MD the re-import labelling question. This would also help I am sure.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 01 April 2015, 15:30:50
Wow, 675...
I have no way to judge how many people are waiting/ on the fence, but if it goes like Hyperfuse, we could hit 1k.
This is crazy. 3 days left!
Did any of the tech sites pick up on the story that you know of?
Unfortunately, no.
Wow, 675...
I have no way to judge how many people are waiting/ on the fence, but if it goes like Hyperfuse, we could hit 1k.
Yes, it will go far. However, can you please check with MD the re-import labelling question. This would also help I am sure.
I haven't forgotten about you. I am speaking to them this afternoon and I will ask again.
Post by: dante on Wed, 01 April 2015, 15:32:32
I have no way to judge how many people are waiting/ on the fence,
I'm having a ulcer over it. Every time I get ready to buy another keyboard - something like this shows up and completely derails my efforts. :( I have to say I'm leaning towards "nay" ... but I'm not so sure ... If there was some sort of written guarantee that GMK will never produce this set again it might tilt it towards a sale.
I don't want to hear about this turning into the "Unicorn of keysets" (aka Poker II MX Clear.)
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 01 April 2015, 15:34:11
I have no way to judge how many people are waiting/ on the fence,
I'm having a ulcer over it. Every time I get ready to buy another keyboard - something like this shows up and completely derails my efforts. :( I have to say I'm leaning towards "nay" ... but I'm not so sure ... If there was some sort of written guarantee that GMK will never produce this set again it might tilt it towards a sale.
I don't want to hear about this turning into the "Unicorn of keysets" (aka Poker II MX Clear.)
Some people have already said they are buying extras to sell later, so don't give yourself an ulcer.
Post by: inanis on Wed, 01 April 2015, 15:38:56
Quote
I'm having a ulcer over it. Every time I get ready to buy another keyboard - something like this shows up and completely derails my efforts. :(
I know exactly how you feel. I'm taking a new approach...every time I want to spend money on a keyboard, or keyboard related accessory I take the money and put it in my savings account (as opposed to my checking). Then, I make myself wait and see if I like the money in there more than the thing I want to spend it on. I'm saving for a new car, so every bit helps. So far I have talked myself out of a HHKB and a FC660C, but both were close calls. I did cave for this though, but just one set.
Post by: dyrdevil on Wed, 01 April 2015, 16:39:31
Post by: exitfire401 on Wed, 01 April 2015, 16:40:55
Bought this set to put on a Gon I'm going to order. Now if I could just settle on a switch type...
When in doubt, clears. When not in doubt, clears. When thinking about whether or not you're in doubt, clears. Hope that clears things up for you :cool:
Post by: cjhard on Wed, 01 April 2015, 17:25:44
Post by: limitz on Wed, 01 April 2015, 17:38:17
I just installed Dolch on my Poker II w/ Clears. GMK caps are mega tight on Clears, at least compared to the PuLSE set I just pulled. If you end up with Clears, buy some spare switches in case you rip the stems out your first few pulls :)
Been there done that. Put a GMK Dolch set on Clears... but even worse, Clears with ABOStudio tops.
Those tops are 10x more flimsy than Cherry tops. On installation, I noticed I put 2 keycaps on in the wrong place. Pulled both, and the tops sheared completely clean. Keep in mind, that I pulled them with the most gentle force I was capable of with very slow rocking.
For all intents and purposes, the Dolch set is permanently on there. It's a TKL and I'm pretty sure if I was to pull the caps off, at least 50% of the tops would shear.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 01 April 2015, 17:47:40
Bought this set to put on a Gon I'm going to order. Now if I could just settle on a switch type...
When in doubt, clears. When not in doubt, clears. When thinking about whether or not you're in doubt, clears. Hope that clears things up for you :cool:
The choice is clear!
Post by: dimmu on Wed, 01 April 2015, 17:49:41
I bought a new keyboard JUST for this set....
Like seriously...
SERIOUSLY
i feel your pain. i bought a lightpad to go with my 60% board for this set, but since i ordered 2 sets i figured that other one would be a waste, so i did what any sensible man would do, i bought another 60% board + numpad combo.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 01 April 2015, 17:51:01
I bought a new keyboard JUST for this set....
Like seriously...
SERIOUSLY
i feel your pain. i bought a lightpad to go with my 60% board for this set, but since i ordered 2 sets i figured that other one would be a waste, so i did what any sensible man would do, i bought another 60% board + numpad combo.
Just keep it unused and wait for its price to climb and then sell it.
Post by: Jokrik on Wed, 01 April 2015, 17:55:37
:( :( where's the sharing love?I bought a new keyboard JUST for this set....
Like seriously...
SERIOUSLY
i feel your pain. i bought a lightpad to go with my 60% board for this set, but since i ordered 2 sets i figured that other one would be a waste, so i did what any sensible man would do, i bought another 60% board + numpad combo.
Just keep it unused and wait for its price to climb and then sell it.
Post by: feizor on Wed, 01 April 2015, 19:36:32
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 01 April 2015, 19:55:08
I just installed Dolch on my Poker II w/ Clears. GMK caps are mega tight on Clears, at least compared to the PuLSE set I just pulled. If you end up with Clears, buy some spare switches in case you rip the stems out your first few pulls :)
Damn newbs, ALWAYS use a lubricant when installing tight fitting caps.
Rule one when you first pick up a new keyboard with Clear-based MX switches, apply KY on the open-stem of the GMK KEY, then easy-peasy - slide it in. Don't tell me you never applied some lube onto your manhood for any back door action in your life?
Same thing here, never go in RAW because it will be painful and hideous for the recipient, no matter what.
Don't be a fool always go in with some lube for easy access (keyboard wise and for everything else in LIFE) 8) .
Post by: cjhard on Wed, 01 April 2015, 20:03:10
Don't tell me you never applied some lube onto your manhood for any back door action in your life?I will tell you I have never done this. It would be an impressive feat indeed, considering the circumstances.
I didn't have any lubricant on hand, but I'm not too concerned about GMK on my Clears. I'm great with the wiggles, and my Poker is low-pro so I can wedge a stem-keeper down under there to hold the stem down.
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 01 April 2015, 20:33:28
Bought this set to put on a Gon I'm going to order. Now if I could just settle on a switch type...
When in doubt, clears. When not in doubt, clears. When thinking about whether or not you're in doubt, clears. Hope that clears things up for you :cool:
The choice is clear!
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Post by: MysteryOfTime on Wed, 01 April 2015, 20:47:37
Post by: njbair on Wed, 01 April 2015, 20:59:50
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:02:10
Do people even read threads?
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Plus, whenever someone reads a thread to me
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Post by: Joey Quinn on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:02:43
Any chance on having 'Super" keys to replace the Windows key? :D
Do people even read threads?
No would answer both questions.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:04:01
Do people even read threads?
So fresh and innocent. :))
(http://puu.sh/gYpnP/3b6b26e594.png)
Post by: MysteryOfTime on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:05:03
Do people even read threads?Sorry, I had searched and didn't find any info on it - I will dig deeper.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:08:08
Sorry, I had searched and didn't find any info on it
More info in IC thread here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65724.0
The set is not subject to further changes.
It has been mentioned quite a few times that there will be no changes.
Not to mention that the buy has already begun, and as such there can be no further changes, even if intelli desired so.
Post by: njbair on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:38:59
Do people even read threads?Sorry, I had searched and didn't find any info on it - I will dig deeper.
Don't apologize. I was just being snarky. It's just that there have been so many people making so many requests for so many changes. It even created a lot of controversy towards the beginning of the buy.
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 01 April 2015, 21:39:54
There is still controversy to the buy because of issues that people didn't bring up when they had the chanceDo people even read threads?Sorry, I had searched and didn't find any info on it - I will dig deeper.
Don't apologize. I was just being snarky. It's just that there have been so many people making so many requests for so many changes. It even created a lot of controversy towards the beginning of the buy.
Post by: tanker666 on Thu, 02 April 2015, 22:08:25
Post by: VesperSAINT on Thu, 02 April 2015, 22:11:17
I bought a new keyboard JUST for this set....
Like seriously...
SERIOUSLY
I knowww what it issss ~~~~ <3333
Post by: nightdriver on Thu, 02 April 2015, 22:39:55
seems like a winkeyless g80-3000 would be ideal, but those are hard to come by.
Post by: user 18 on Thu, 02 April 2015, 23:18:35
Post by: ideus on Thu, 02 April 2015, 23:39:09
Joined. It tells me I'm #701, don't know if that's true or not.
Why do you think it may not be true? There is no reason for MD to cheat you with your position in the orders queue.
Post by: user 18 on Thu, 02 April 2015, 23:43:34
Joined. It tells me I'm #701, don't know if that's true or not.
Why do you think it may not be true? There is no reason for MD to cheat you with your position in the orders queue.
It also said there were 701 joined already before I joined.
Post by: Jokrik on Thu, 02 April 2015, 23:46:26
WinkI bought a new keyboard JUST for this set....
Like seriously...
SERIOUSLY
I knowww what it issss ~~~~ <3333
i'm likely going to buy a keyboard just for this... not sure which one yet though.You won't go wrong with that choice :)
seems like a winkeyless g80-3000 would be ideal, but those are hard to come by.
Post by: njbair on Fri, 03 April 2015, 00:30:46
Joined. It tells me I'm #701, don't know if that's true or not.
Why do you think it may not be true? There is no reason for MD to cheat you with your position in the orders queue.
It also said there were 701 joined already before I joined.
That just means someone backed out while you were joining. I started at #73 and I'm down to #71 right now.
Post by: nightdriver on Fri, 03 April 2015, 00:42:41
i'm likely going to buy a keyboard just for this... not sure which one yet though.You won't go wrong with that choice :)
seems like a winkeyless g80-3000 would be ideal, but those are hard to come by.
if you have any leads, let me know!
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 03 April 2015, 02:23:52
i'm likely going to buy a keyboard just for this... not sure which one yet though.You won't go wrong with that choice :)
seems like a winkeyless g80-3000 would be ideal, but those are hard to come by.
if you have any leads, let me know!
+1 let me know also :)
Post by: bazh on Fri, 03 April 2015, 05:22:06
Post by: quochung1989 on Fri, 03 April 2015, 05:27:10
****ing damn MassDrop, it show error every time I try to order thisMaybe massdrop block all paypals from Vietnam :confused: I try with address in US but I can't pay via paypal :confused:
Post by: bazh on Fri, 03 April 2015, 05:28:42
****ing damn MassDrop, it show error every time I try to order thisMaybe massdrop block all paypals from Vietnam :confused: I try with address in US but I can't pay via paypal :confused:
I pay by credit card but still it's not working
Post by: quochung1989 on Fri, 03 April 2015, 05:33:08
:-\****ing damn MassDrop, it show error every time I try to order thisMaybe massdrop block all paypals from Vietnam :confused: I try with address in US but I can't pay via paypal :confused:
I pay by credit card but still it's not working
Or you should use proxy to pay like me.
Post by: cjhard on Fri, 03 April 2015, 09:04:55
Post by: morpheus on Fri, 03 April 2015, 09:20:11
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 03 April 2015, 09:26:29
MoreThat just means someone backed out while you were joining. I started at #73 and I'm down to #71 right now.Joined. It tells me I'm #701, don't know if that's true or not.
Why do you think it may not be true? There is no reason for MD to cheat you with your position in the orders queue.
It also said there were 701 joined already before I joined.
Some how I moved the other way, from #75 to #77. I guess maybe someone ahead of me order more sets?
Post by: cjhard on Fri, 03 April 2015, 10:59:39
Also, can you imagine how big this could have been if it was open for orders nearly as long as Hyperfuse? We got over 700 in less than two weeks. I'm sure some people are missed just because their next paycheck hasn't come along in time.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 03 April 2015, 12:29:34
Post by: exitfire401 on Fri, 03 April 2015, 12:40:01
Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 03 April 2015, 14:13:20
Since only 1 day is left, should this be reposted to /r/mk?
on it ;)
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 03 April 2015, 15:34:42
Post by: bazh on Fri, 03 April 2015, 15:35:43
Just upped my order by 1 to proxy for bazh.
:*
Post by: mz/x on Fri, 03 April 2015, 17:12:36
Since only 1 day is left, should this be reposted to /r/mk?
on it ;)
What time will the MD exactly end? I wanted to place another order but also having trouble with payment. I hope tomorrow I will be able to do it.
Post by: justify on Fri, 03 April 2015, 18:51:01
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 03 April 2015, 18:59:03
does this set only come with 6.25u spacebars? I would love a 6.5u for my TK!6.25u and 7u, you should probably upgrade to a standard sized board if you don't have one, just for compatibility
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 03 April 2015, 18:59:15
does this set only come with 6.25u spacebars? I would love a 6.5u for my TK!
This set has 6.25u and 7u spacebars. I'm not sure if GMK even has 6.5u moulds.
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 03 April 2015, 19:01:10
does this set only come with 6.25u spacebars? I would love a 6.5u for my TK!6.25u and 7u, you should probably upgrade to a standard sized board if you don't have one, just for compatibility
Word to the wise here on this forum, FIRST buy this key-set, then purchase a keyboard for it (in case you don't have one that is appropriate for this fine piece of TA) 8) .
Post by: justify on Fri, 03 April 2015, 19:02:28
Post by: nightdriver on Fri, 03 April 2015, 19:17:59
Post by: missalaire on Fri, 03 April 2015, 20:09:58
until i can find a keyboard suitable for the 7u spacebar, i'll probably put this keyset on the ducky shine year or the snake i just bought. i think it might look nice with the aluminum.
The Ducky YOTS that went for $162.50 on ebay? You bastard, outbid me :P
Post by: nightdriver on Fri, 03 April 2015, 20:53:59
Post by: missalaire on Fri, 03 April 2015, 21:02:21
hahaha sorry. i set up a snipe for $170 and it got damn close!
I had my max bid set @ $150 in the hopes I could snag it for pretty cheap. I should've set it higher, but oh well. I bought a GMK Dolch and Olivetti set and I'm waiting for a decent deal on a GTX 970 so probably better off not spending any more money XD
Post by: nightdriver on Fri, 03 April 2015, 21:35:17
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 03 April 2015, 22:16:04
Post by: Eziak on Fri, 03 April 2015, 22:36:44
Post by: Steveenn on Fri, 03 April 2015, 22:41:23
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 03 April 2015, 22:45:39
And F**k Massdrop btw.
Post by: LXXXIX on Fri, 03 April 2015, 22:52:06
It looks like someone placed an order of like 250...
Wow I don't think any other drop will be as successful as this one for the rest of the year.
I know some people aren't the biggest fans of Massdrop, but numbers like this truly show that some GBs have the potential to really become a reality. Massdrop can be such a great platform sometimes. Grats to intelli again for making this happen.
Hey intelli maybe if we hit 1000 can we get another price drop? :cool:
PS: Now with such a higher number than we thought, will the shipping date be pushed back?
Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 03 April 2015, 22:52:40
Post by: cjhard on Fri, 03 April 2015, 22:55:52
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 03 April 2015, 22:56:01
Hey intelli maybe if we hit 1000 can we get another price drop? :cool:
Don't think so -- Massdrop negotiated so we had the best deal for anywhere from 500-1000 kits.
979 kits :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Maybe we didn't need to get MOQ lowered in the first place! :P
Thanks for making this happen intelli, and congrats on the success!
Post by: Belfong on Fri, 03 April 2015, 22:57:40
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 03 April 2015, 22:59:29
979 kits :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Holy ****. At this point I just want it to hit 1k. I'm still sad about that bottom row wonkiness, but congrats on the crazy successful buy.
And I think this is the first MD I've seen that actually got damn close to the IC numbers. What made that huge spike? Was it the Asian communities or vendors or just people finally buying?
Post by: LXXXIX on Fri, 03 April 2015, 23:02:39
979 kits :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Holy ****. At this point I just want it to hit 1k. I'm still sad about that bottom row wonkiness, but congrats on the crazy successful buy.
And I think this is the first MD I've seen that actually got damn close to the IC numbers. What made that huge spike? Was it the Asian communities or vendors or just people finally buying?
This was my first thought too. Time will only tell. Maybe they found a proxy?
Post by: missalaire on Fri, 03 April 2015, 23:11:34
well, if i find a keyboard i like better for the TA set, you've got first dibs on buying this one if you'd like.
Sounds good and much appreciated, thanks :)
Post by: cjhard on Fri, 03 April 2015, 23:14:46
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 03 April 2015, 23:31:50
Will Triumph Adler be the most prevalent GMK colorway in our ecosystem after this is produced?
I believe this is the most successful GMK group buy yet, yes.
Post by: morpheus on Fri, 03 April 2015, 23:44:41
979 kits :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Holy ****. At this point I just want it to hit 1k. I'm still sad about that bottom row wonkiness, but congrats on the crazy successful buy.
And I think this is the first MD I've seen that actually got damn close to the IC numbers. What made that huge spike? Was it the Asian communities or vendors or just people finally buying?
This was my first thought too. Time will only tell. Maybe they found a proxy?
There is no way the Asian communities would sit this one out. I'm sure they found some way. This GB is insane.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 04 April 2015, 00:04:53
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 04 April 2015, 00:50:21
There is no way the Asian communities would sit this one out. I'm sure they found some way. This GB is insane.
GMK made sets, especially RARE colour-ways, are really loved by them, more so then by us western jerks. Hence the great buy in you see happening now because once this Group Buy is over that's it, NEVER again to be run.
When you see this many people signing on for this key-set it draws everyone else in like a giant magnet of attraction for every lover of quality key-sets.
Really hoping to see this launch over 1000 sets sold :thumb: .
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 04 April 2015, 02:17:35
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 04 April 2015, 02:25:37
Post by: tbc on Sat, 04 April 2015, 03:29:57
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sat, 04 April 2015, 04:38:58
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 04 April 2015, 06:16:49
I have the perfect board in mind for this, and it will look bad ass > : D
To tell you the absolute truth, this TA set will make any keyboard look "Bad Ass" :thumb: .
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 04 April 2015, 07:39:52
Post by: Lpwl on Sat, 04 April 2015, 08:10:14
That would make me laugh... I know, silly me.
Tbh I'm not even interested in this GB (no real ISO support) but congratz Intelli !
Post by: njbair on Sat, 04 April 2015, 08:30:28
Did someone say this might drop a bit in price if it passes 1000 orders? Or is $99.99 as low as it gets?Someone mentioned this as a question, but no. You may recall that the original MOQ for custom colors was 1,000. GMK just lowered it for this buy. So really we're just reaching what would have normally been the MOQ to begin with.
Post by: dante on Sat, 04 April 2015, 08:44:31
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:13:23
This is some BS posting Granite DSA the day this is going off the air :(They are true hype masters.
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:22:52
(http://i.imgur.com/wKhUYKO.png)
Post by: ideus on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:25:25
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:26:31
(http://i.imgur.com/UVRDZxI.png)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:28:00
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:28:14
A ~100 k dollars order, wow. Who said something about the profiles?
Just wait until people get them and are upset because didn't understand what they were buying.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:31:55
But it's right there on the mockup. Do you really think people will have missed that?A ~100 k dollars order, wow. Who said something about the profiles?
Just wait until people get them and are upset because didn't understand what they were buying.
I mean, I'm sure a lot of people didn't notice it on the mockup, but those people will also not notice it on their keyboards.
Post by: BunnyLake on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:32:16
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:33:18
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:33:38
A ~100 k dollars order, wow. Who said something about the profiles?
Just wait until people get them and are upset because didn't understand what they were buying.
Yeah, this will definitely be the case for a number of orders, but on the other hand I don't feel sympathy for people who are too lazy too read descriptions and take a look at the graphic...
Post by: njbair on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:33:42
i wonder what we get for the big price drop at that many orders, would be super easy to add the b profile keys now and make everyone happy
Did someone say this might drop a bit in price if it passes 1000 orders? Or is $99.99 as low as it gets?Someone mentioned this as a question, but no. You may recall that the original MOQ for custom colors was 1,000. GMK just lowered it for this buy. So really we're just reaching what would have normally been the MOQ to begin with.
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:35:09
i wonder what we get for the big price drop at that many orders, would be super easy to add the b profile keys now and make everyone happy
We won't get anything because Massdrop negotiated a deal and will keep all the profits.
Unlike you they won't be generous and do what's best for the community...
Post by: BunnyLake on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:35:26
i wonder what we get for the big price drop at that many orders, would be super easy to add the b profile keys now and make everyone happyDid someone say this might drop a bit in price if it passes 1000 orders? Or is $99.99 as low as it gets?Someone mentioned this as a question, but no. You may recall that the original MOQ for custom colors was 1,000. GMK just lowered it for this buy. So really we're just reaching what would have normally been the MOQ to begin with.
right, but lowering the moq to 500 has nothing to do with the price, thats the minimum order quantity, there are still price breaks the more sets you order, they just agreed to produce it at 500 instead of 1000, we werent given the 1k price though
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:36:24
I don't think most people are used to having to pay much attention to profile and many of these orders were purely based on hype.But it's right there on the mockup. Do you really think people will have missed that?A ~100 k dollars order, wow. Who said something about the profiles?
Just wait until people get them and are upset because didn't understand what they were buying.
I mean, I'm sure a lot of people didn't notice it on the mockup, but those people will also not notice it on their keyboards.
i wonder what we get for the big price drop at that many orders, would be super easy to add the b profile keys now and make everyone happyMassdrop just makes more bank. :P :D
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:37:12
Don't really expect it to stay like this tho... xD
(http://i.imgur.com/8Dik7tN.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6JuU4RK.jpg)
Post by: ideus on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:41:43
i wonder what we get for the big price drop at that many orders, would be super easy to add the b profile keys now and make everyone happy
This should be discussed with the MD guys, I am pretty sure they may listen. The time is now, before the manufacturing phase began.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:42:57
i wonder what we get for the big price drop at that many orders, would be super easy to add the b profile keys now and make everyone happyDid someone say this might drop a bit in price if it passes 1000 orders? Or is $99.99 as low as it gets?Someone mentioned this as a question, but no. You may recall that the original MOQ for custom colors was 1,000. GMK just lowered it for this buy. So really we're just reaching what would have normally been the MOQ to begin with.
right, but lowering the moq to 500 has nothing to do with the price, thats the minimum order quantity, there are still price breaks the more sets you order, they just agreed to produce it at 500 instead of 1000, we werent given the 1k price though
Ah OK I'm confusing MOQ with a price tip. Thanks for clearing it up.
I don't think most people are used to having to pay much attention to profile and many of these orders were purely based on hype.But it's right there on the mockup. Do you really think people will have missed that?A ~100 k dollars order, wow. Who said something about the profiles?
Just wait until people get them and are upset because didn't understand what they were buying.
I mean, I'm sure a lot of people didn't notice it on the mockup, but those people will also not notice it on their keyboards.
Can I just weigh in that as a winkey user I am zero worried about the profile issue. It's a totally separate part of the board.
Post by: strict on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:51:16
i wonder what we get for the big price drop at that many orders, would be super easy to add the b profile keys now and make everyone happy
Please for the love of god! Surely this can be worked out?
Post by: Latin00032 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 09:58:17
This is what I'm hoping for. At least adding the right profile bottom row arrow keys and num pad keys considering the amount of people that joined this GB.i wonder what we get for the big price drop at that many orders, would be super easy to add the b profile keys now and make everyone happy
Please for the love of god! Surely this can be worked out?
Post by: Latin00032 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:03:02
Or making the 1.25 mods as r5.This is what I'm hoping for. At least adding the right profile bottom row arrow keys and num pad keys considering the amount of people that joined this GB.i wonder what we get for the big price drop at that many orders, would be super easy to add the b profile keys now and make everyone happy
Please for the love of god! Surely this can be worked out?
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:04:10
Or making the 1.25 mods as r5.This is what I'm hoping for. At least adding the right profile bottom row arrow keys and num pad keys considering the amount of people that joined this GB.i wonder what we get for the big price drop at that many orders, would be super easy to add the b profile keys now and make everyone happy
Please for the love of god! Surely this can be worked out?
1.25 Mods in R5 profile do not exist, so this is not an option.
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:05:53
This is what I'm hoping for. At least adding the right profile bottom row arrow keys and num pad keys considering the amount of people that joined this GB.i wonder what we get for the big price drop at that many orders, would be super easy to add the b profile keys now and make everyone happy
Please for the love of god! Surely this can be worked out?
Considering that 1000 was the original MOQ & everything that intelly78 already said, abandon hope all ye who enter here.
Post by: Latin00032 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:08:34
Thanks. After I wrote the previous comment, I realized that I don't remember if 1.25 r5 mods exist.Or making the 1.25 mods as r5.This is what I'm hoping for. At least adding the right profile bottom row arrow keys and num pad keys considering the amount of people that joined this GB.i wonder what we get for the big price drop at that many orders, would be super easy to add the b profile keys now and make everyone happy
Please for the love of god! Surely this can be worked out?
1.25 Mods in R5 profile do not exist, so this is not an option.
Post by: strict on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:08:56
This is what I'm hoping for. At least adding the right profile bottom row arrow keys and num pad keys considering the amount of people that joined this GB.
Surely a statistically significant portion of those users are going to be installing these sets on modern winkey boards so it really would have tremendous benefit if we could work something out to include matching profile keys.
Since R5 1.25u mods arent an option, we would want what keys? Three R5 arrow keys, one R4 arrow, and two?/three? numpad keys? Surely with these kind of numbers we could add 6-7 keys?
Post by: Latin00032 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:11:43
Post by: strict on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:14:17
BTW where did that granite set come from on MD? It just started and it's already close to 500! Whaa?!
Keep in mind every kit counts as one order, so if I ordered a Base set with text mods they count it as two orders.
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:14:23
BTW where did that granite set come from on MD? It just started and it's already close to 500! Whaa?!
If it's like Round 2 every kit counts like 1 order, so that's not too impressive.
Edit: Strict sniped me :p
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:16:52
Post by: BunnyLake on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:20:22
This is what I'm hoping for. At least adding the right profile bottom row arrow keys and num pad keys considering the amount of people that joined this GB.
Surely a statistically significant portion of those users are going to be installing these sets on modern winkey boards so it really would have tremendous benefit if we could work something out to include matching profile keys.
Since R5 1.25u mods arent an option, we would want what keys? Three R5 arrow keys, one R4 arrow, and two?/three? numpad keys? Surely with these kind of numbers we could add 6-7 keys?
it would be very easy to add that many keys, and still allow massdrop to make more per set than they were planning to make at the 500 price point
so they would still get more per set, on top of a higher volume of sets than planned
we actually went through 2 price breaks at 1000
i understand the original point of not adding to the set before when they were trying to hit 500, because massdrop have to make their money as well as pay the "designer", however there would be little justification to not adding keys at the numbers it reached, i can understand why they wouldnt change things once it went up for sale, but this wouldnt be altering existing keys, this would be in addition to, and nobody could complain about that
Post by: BunnyLake on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:21:21
You guys will all get what you signed up for. Why all the rustling?
i havent seen any rustling in this thread in a while, just people trying to make this as good as it can be talking constructively
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:24:18
Is there any presedence for them adding stuff to super successul drops? If they do it now, they'd have to do it for all upcoming ones...
Post by: BunnyLake on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:37:51
While I would also like to get more keys, I doubt Massdrop will do it.
Is there any presedence for them adding stuff to super successul drops? If they do it now, they'd have to do it for all upcoming ones...
well this is the first buy of its kind with massdrop
so the presedence doesnt need to be considered
a normal buy with massdrop would be this
a manufacturer contacts massdrop or massdrop contact them, they have designed and made a product, and they agree to sell the product to massdrop at a certain price, lowering this price based on whatever numbers massdrop can sell, up to whatever there lowest point is where they still make whatever amount of money it is the manufacturer wants to make, by buying in bulk, massdrop can order goods cheaper from the supplier and pass those savings on to the end user, for massdrop facilitating this, they add on whatever percentage it is they want to add on to the cost of the goods
that being said, they have also started doing a couple of more traditional gbs, with sp, but even those dont directly translate to this, sp price breaks are very early on, and once you get above 150 orders of a kit, the pricebreaks are negligible, often being closer to cents than dollars on an already very cheap purchase to begin with
with gmk, the pricedrops are much larger, as the business model is geared to bigger orders, also comparatively to sp, particularly with this buy, it is very difficult to add on to it, if someone wants an add on with sp, it requires both little effort and or money to accomplish it, with this, we are talking about adding a handful of keys, at the 1000 price point, it would cost about 2-3 dollars a set at most, which i understand adds up, thatll be 2000-3000 dollars, however, we have broken price points, that far exceed that amount of money, however for us as a community to add those keys, it would cost closer to 10 dollars a set, even if we could get 500 orders, and even if they agreed to lower the custom colour MOQ
its common sense to add them at this stage, and it would be a show of good faith on the part of massdrop to do it, although costing them slightly more money, to show the support and respect they have for a community working hard to make them money
Post by: RickyJ on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:38:07
Post by: Polymer on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:40:53
But it's right there on the mockup. Do you really think people will have missed that?
I mean, I'm sure a lot of people didn't notice it on the mockup, but those people will also not notice it on their keyboards.
A significant number of users will have no idea what the mock up means. R4 and R5 will mean absolutely nothing to them. The assumption all of the buyers understand the mock up would be a bad one. To assume they would have read the discussion to find out is also a bad one...
Out of those, a percentage will not care..and some will..
Personally I think this set looks great...I don't care too much about the mismatched profile...but that's me...I'm very certain there are a number of users that will care and have no idea what they're getting...
Congratulations everyone on a fantastic GB though..I'm sure there will be a lot more very happy customers than not...
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:43:57
While I would also like to get more keys, I doubt Massdrop will do it.
Is there any presedence for them adding stuff to super successul drops? If they do it now, they'd have to do it for all upcoming ones...
well this is the first buy of its kind with massdrop
so the presedence doesnt need to be considered
a normal buy with massdrop would be this
a manufacturer contacts massdrop or massdrop contact them, they have designed and made a product, and they agree to sell the product to massdrop at a certain price, lowering this price based on whatever numbers massdrop can sell, up to whatever there lowest point is where they still make whatever amount of money it is the manufacturer wants to make, by buying in bulk, massdrop can order goods cheaper from the supplier and pass those savings on to the end user, for massdrop facilitating this, they add on whatever percentage it is they want to add on to the cost of the goods
that being said, they have also started doing a couple of more traditional gbs, with sp, but even those dont directly translate to this, sp price breaks are very early on, and once you get above 150 orders of a kit, the pricebreaks are negligible, often being closer to cents than dollars on an already very cheap purchase to begin with
with gmk, the pricedrops are much larger, as the business model is geared to bigger orders, also comparatively to sp, particularly with this buy, it is very difficult to add on to it, if someone wants an add on with sp, it requires both little effort and or money to accomplish it, with this, we are talking about adding a handful of keys, at the 1000 price point, it would cost about 2-3 dollars a set at most, which i understand adds up, thatll be 2000-3000 dollars, however, we have broken price points, that far exceed that amount of money, however for us as a community to add those keys, it would cost closer to 10 dollars a set, even if we could get 500 orders, and even if they agreed to lower the custom colour MOQ
its common sense to add them at this stage, and it would be a show of good faith on the part of massdrop to do it, although costing them slightly more money, to show the support and respect they have for a community working hard to make them money
Thanks for the explanations!
Let's see what Intelli can negotiate with them :thumb:
Post by: cjhard on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:47:50
Post by: mason on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:49:09
Post by: Liar on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:49:44
(http://41.media.tumblr.com/696132036ce9ef76e1aa60f3695558a5/tumblr_nfg946bkfM1r1872jo1_250.png)
Post by: dante on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:51:26
Congratulations on 1000+ orders, truly successful
Liar, just sent you a PM regarding this threads topic. Please get back to me :p
Post by: njbair on Sat, 04 April 2015, 10:56:07
While I would also like to get more keys, I doubt Massdrop will do it.
Is there any presedence for them adding stuff to super successul drops? If they do it now, they'd have to do it for all upcoming ones...
well this is the first buy of its kind with massdrop
so the presedence doesnt need to be considered
a normal buy with massdrop would be this
a manufacturer contacts massdrop or massdrop contact them, they have designed and made a product, and they agree to sell the product to massdrop at a certain price, lowering this price based on whatever numbers massdrop can sell, up to whatever there lowest point is where they still make whatever amount of money it is the manufacturer wants to make, by buying in bulk, massdrop can order goods cheaper from the supplier and pass those savings on to the end user, for massdrop facilitating this, they add on whatever percentage it is they want to add on to the cost of the goods
that being said, they have also started doing a couple of more traditional gbs, with sp, but even those dont directly translate to this, sp price breaks are very early on, and once you get above 150 orders of a kit, the pricebreaks are negligible, often being closer to cents than dollars on an already very cheap purchase to begin with
with gmk, the pricedrops are much larger, as the business model is geared to bigger orders, also comparatively to sp, particularly with this buy, it is very difficult to add on to it, if someone wants an add on with sp, it requires both little effort and or money to accomplish it, with this, we are talking about adding a handful of keys, at the 1000 price point, it would cost about 2-3 dollars a set at most, which i understand adds up, thatll be 2000-3000 dollars, however, we have broken price points, that far exceed that amount of money, however for us as a community to add those keys, it would cost closer to 10 dollars a set, even if we could get 500 orders, and even if they agreed to lower the custom colour MOQ
its common sense to add them at this stage, and it would be a show of good faith on the part of massdrop to do it, although costing them slightly more money, to show the support and respect they have for a community working hard to make them money
Bunny speaks with authority on this subject, so I've got to listen.
That said, if somehow we end up seeing R4 bottom row arrows and numpad keys added, I would feel like we failed unless Intelli also got his Win 95 legends in addition to the Windows 7 keys.
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 04 April 2015, 11:54:39
If Windows 95 keys are the only thing that gets added I will be happy, I was pissed off when they were removed, but I wouldn't have missed the buy for the world.While I would also like to get more keys, I doubt Massdrop will do it.
Is there any presedence for them adding stuff to super successul drops? If they do it now, they'd have to do it for all upcoming ones...
well this is the first buy of its kind with massdrop
so the presedence doesnt need to be considered
a normal buy with massdrop would be this
a manufacturer contacts massdrop or massdrop contact them, they have designed and made a product, and they agree to sell the product to massdrop at a certain price, lowering this price based on whatever numbers massdrop can sell, up to whatever there lowest point is where they still make whatever amount of money it is the manufacturer wants to make, by buying in bulk, massdrop can order goods cheaper from the supplier and pass those savings on to the end user, for massdrop facilitating this, they add on whatever percentage it is they want to add on to the cost of the goods
that being said, they have also started doing a couple of more traditional gbs, with sp, but even those dont directly translate to this, sp price breaks are very early on, and once you get above 150 orders of a kit, the pricebreaks are negligible, often being closer to cents than dollars on an already very cheap purchase to begin with
with gmk, the pricedrops are much larger, as the business model is geared to bigger orders, also comparatively to sp, particularly with this buy, it is very difficult to add on to it, if someone wants an add on with sp, it requires both little effort and or money to accomplish it, with this, we are talking about adding a handful of keys, at the 1000 price point, it would cost about 2-3 dollars a set at most, which i understand adds up, thatll be 2000-3000 dollars, however, we have broken price points, that far exceed that amount of money, however for us as a community to add those keys, it would cost closer to 10 dollars a set, even if we could get 500 orders, and even if they agreed to lower the custom colour MOQ
its common sense to add them at this stage, and it would be a show of good faith on the part of massdrop to do it, although costing them slightly more money, to show the support and respect they have for a community working hard to make them money
Bunny speaks with authority on this subject, so I've got to listen.
That said, if somehow we end up seeing R4 bottom row arrows and numpad keys added, I would feel like we failed unless Intelli also got his Win 95 legends in addition to the Windows 7 keys.
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 04 April 2015, 11:56:36
This is what I'm hoping for. At least adding the right profile bottom row arrow keys and num pad keys considering the amount of people that joined this GB.
Surely a statistically significant portion of those users are going to be installing these sets on modern winkey boards so it really would have tremendous benefit if we could work something out to include matching profile keys.
Since R5 1.25u mods arent an option, we would want what keys? Three R5 arrow keys, one R4 arrow, and two?/three? numpad keys? Surely with these kind of numbers we could add 6-7 keys?
I'm not getting my hopes up, but that would be fantastic.
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Sat, 04 April 2015, 12:00:36
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Post by: zombimuncha on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:03:43
For me the taller arrow keys are a feature, not a bug, and as previously mentioned I'll be using them on a keyboard with the arrows integrated into the main block of keys without any gap (FC660M - sell me your 2.25u lshift!) I think it'll be helpful to be able to jump my right hand to the arrow cluster without looking.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:20:51
I was 1008th, now I'm 1007th. I guess someone figured out about the arrow keys :p
For me the taller arrow keys are a feature, not a bug, and as previously mentioned I'll be using them on a keyboard with the arrows integrated into the main block of keys without any gap (FC660M - sell me your 2.25u lshift!) I think it'll be helpful to be able to jump my right hand to the arrow cluster without looking.
Is that what the issue with the profiles are
The arrows are taller?
Or all the bottom row?
I can't follow
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:26:56
(http://i.imgur.com/dx38TMj.gif)
Notice the second set of arrow keys are a little taller. That's what it'll look like (the bottom row of numpad also, if you have a full size board) on a modern board when using the 1.25x mods.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:29:56
Here is a gif I made:Now I see why all the gripes. R5 arrows change the white balance on the entire board!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dx38TMj.gif)
Notice the second set of arrow keys are a little taller. That's what it'll look like (the bottom row of numpad also, if you have a full size board) on a modern board when using the 1.25x mods.
Post by: zombimuncha on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:31:51
Here is a gif I made:Now I see why all the gripes. R5 arrows change the white balance on the entire board!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dx38TMj.gif)
Notice the second set of arrow keys are a little taller. That's what it'll look like (the bottom row of numpad also, if you have a full size board) on a modern board when using the 1.25x mods.
LOL! good one!
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:32:20
Now I see why all the gripes. R5 arrows change the white balance on the entire board!
Damn you for finally exposing the scam to the world... :p
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:36:17
Post by: billnye on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:37:54
The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.Complain all you want, but Massdrop was probably the only way to get this group buy to work.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:38:40
Post by: njbair on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:39:12
The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.
I don't get this mentality. Every single buy is about convincing some vendor that our little pet project is worth their time and attention. Money is the only thing that convinces them of that. Otherwise MOQ for every buy would be 1 set.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:39:24
Maybe you should run all your buys through them also.The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.Complain all you want, but Massdrop was probably the only way to get this group buy to work.
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:39:54
The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.
Nah, not really. If it were a community buy, the price would have been significantly higher and it would have taken far longer to ship. This was a win-win.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:40:15
The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.
Werent you the one who started a thread called "Need Some $$$$ Making Ideas To Fleece All You Keyboard Geeks" then had to defend yourself to make it seem like a joke?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:40:19
The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.
Nah, not really. If it were a community buy, the price would have been significantly higher and it would have taken far longer to ship. This was a win-win.
I'm sure you made out great.
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:40:35
i wonder what we get for the big price drop at that many orders, would be super easy to add the b profile keys now and make everyone happy
I really hope that happens. We'll see though.
Post by: billnye on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:41:22
I don't have a need to since I haven't done anything with custom colors that requires an MOQ of 500. :thumb: Thanks for the idea though.Maybe you should run all your buys through them also.The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.Complain all you want, but Massdrop was probably the only way to get this group buy to work.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:42:03
The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.
Werent you the one who started a thread called "Need Some $$$$ Making Ideas To Fleece All You Keyboard Geeks" then had to defend yourself to make it seem like a joke?
Clearly that thread was complete sarcasm and everyone knew it.
But the point of it was so many people are bind to blatantly being taken for there money around here.
Post by: BunnyLake on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:43:00
The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.
I don't get this mentality. Every single buy is about convincing some vendor that our little pet project is worth their time and attention. Money is the only thing that convinces them of that. Otherwise MOQ for every buy would be 1 set.
i have literally 0 idea what you are trying to say here
if by vendor you mean manufacturer, then its not our job to convince them what we do is worth their time, its their job to convince us their product is worth our money
if by vendor you mean reseller, very few buys sell sets to vendors
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:45:41
The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.oh yea because a buy with a ridiculously high MOQ and high price totally would have been feasible within our small community
Post by: BunnyLake on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:46:06
The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.
Nah, not really. If it were a community buy, the price would have been significantly higher and it would have taken far longer to ship. This was a win-win.
im sure you think ive been threadcrapping, i really havent, but i have to say, this quote is really odd, the buy would be cheaper, not more expensive if it was run as a groupbuy and not a massdrop, as a gb 1 entity would be making money not 3
to clarify, i have no issue at all with them making money, or them paying you, if you didnt want to run this or felt you couldnt, that is totally fine and your decision to make, but i dont think we should try and claim that somehow this saved us all money
and before anyone says that im trying to derail this or whatever
i hopped on to support it pretty damn early
(http://i.imgur.com/7ToDR4n.jpg)
Post by: Signature on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:52:04
Well what would have been cheaper if he ran the buy himself?The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.
Nah, not really. If it were a community buy, the price would have been significantly higher and it would have taken far longer to ship. This was a win-win.
im sure you think ive been threadcrapping, i really havent, but i have to say, this quote is really odd, the buy would be cheaper, not more expensive if it was run as a groupbuy and not a massdrop, as a gb 1 entity would be making money not 3
to clarify, i have no issue at all with them making money, or them paying you, if you didnt want to run this or felt you couldnt, that is totally fine and your decision to make, but i dont think we should try and claim that somehow this saved us all money
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:52:25
The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.
Werent you the one who started a thread called "Need Some $$$$ Making Ideas To Fleece All You Keyboard Geeks" then had to defend yourself to make it seem like a joke?
Clearly that thread was complete sarcasm and everyone knew it.
But the point of it was so many people are bind to blatantly being taken for there money around here.
(https://33.media.tumblr.com/42ac8fa2f5002f273b26813381ea6602/tumblr_n1j6i3ObYz1sbawkqo1_500.gif)
The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.
Nah, not really. If it were a community buy, the price would have been significantly higher and it would have taken far longer to ship. This was a win-win.
im sure you think ive been threadcrapping, i really havent, but i have to say, this quote is really odd, the buy would be cheaper, not more expensive if it was run as a groupbuy and not a massdrop, as a gb 1 entity would be making money not 3
I highly doubt we would have hit 1k if we had run it on GH or even someone's site affiliated with GH like yours or Photeqk's. Then add in PayPal and/or credit card fees (which would be higher since you're at the individual rate, not the business rate), sorting fees, shipping and shipping materials, and so on, and I highly doubt you could have done this buy cheaper. MD really was the logical solution for this run since have a wider audience. I would have loved to see this run in house, but I really doubt that would have worked.
Not only that, but they're a lot more accountable if stuff doesn't get shipped in a reasonable time frame since and it's not just one person shipping out of their house taking a year or longer to get everything out because they discovered they didn't have the time to ship that they thought they did or they disappeared during production and someone had to take over the shipping.
Post by: BunnyLake on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:54:55
Well what would have been cheaper if he ran the buy himself?The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.
Nah, not really. If it were a community buy, the price would have been significantly higher and it would have taken far longer to ship. This was a win-win.
im sure you think ive been threadcrapping, i really havent, but i have to say, this quote is really odd, the buy would be cheaper, not more expensive if it was run as a groupbuy and not a massdrop, as a gb 1 entity would be making money not 3
to clarify, i have no issue at all with them making money, or them paying you, if you didnt want to run this or felt you couldnt, that is totally fine and your decision to make, but i dont think we should try and claim that somehow this saved us all money
what would have been cheaper?
the keyset we are all buying
i dont wanna keep going in to it, but gmk charge a price, if it was a gb, that would be the price we pay
by running it through massdrop, gmk charge their price, then massdrop add a percentage on to that, then they also add on an additional fee for the person who brings it to them, in this case, intelli, now as far as i know, this hasnt been commented on, and perhaps in this case it didnt happen, and intelli turned down payment from massdrop in order to make the set cheaper, that would be up to him to disclose
but the set would be cheaper if it was a gb, because either we wouldnt be paying both intelli and massdrops fee, or just massdrops fee
Post by: plegnic on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:58:14
Post by: BunnyLake on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:59:45
The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.
Werent you the one who started a thread called "Need Some $$$$ Making Ideas To Fleece All You Keyboard Geeks" then had to defend yourself to make it seem like a joke?
Clearly that thread was complete sarcasm and everyone knew it.
But the point of it was so many people are bind to blatantly being taken for there money around here.Show Image(https://33.media.tumblr.com/42ac8fa2f5002f273b26813381ea6602/tumblr_n1j6i3ObYz1sbawkqo1_500.gif)The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.
Nah, not really. If it were a community buy, the price would have been significantly higher and it would have taken far longer to ship. This was a win-win.
im sure you think ive been threadcrapping, i really havent, but i have to say, this quote is really odd, the buy would be cheaper, not more expensive if it was run as a groupbuy and not a massdrop, as a gb 1 entity would be making money not 3
I highly doubt we would have hit 1k if we had run it on GH or even someone's site affiliated with GH like yours or Photeqk's. Then add in PayPal and/or credit card fees (which would be higher since you're at the individual rate, not the business rate), sorting fees, shipping and shipping materials, and so on, and I highly doubt you could have done this buy cheaper. MD really was the logical solution for this run since have a wider audience. I would have loved to see this run in house, but I really doubt that would have worked.
Not only that, but they're a lot more accountable if stuff doesn't get shipped in a reasonable time frame since and it's not just one person shipping out of their house taking a year or longer to get everything out because they discovered they didn't have the time to ship that they thought they did or they disappeared during production and someone had to take over the shipping.
im not gonna argue, logistically for shipping massdrop is a great way to go, i also agree we wouldnt hit nearly 1k as a gb, but you are way off base with everything else, firstly both me and photekq use stripe and both pay business rates, also, the 1000 number is irrelevant, we are currently paying the gmk price for 500 + massdrops fee + intellis fee if he took one, so as a community, if we hit 500 orders (which is totally possible with the amount of support this buy has) then it would have been cheaper
i hate that we are going through this and what not, the buy is over, it is what it is
all i was hoping by mentioning anything to start is that we would get a sign of good faith from massdrop from it being so successful
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:59:47
im sure you think ive been threadcrapping, i really havent, but i have to say, this quote is really odd, the buy would be cheaper, not more expensive if it was run as a groupbuy and not a massdrop, as a gb 1 entity would be making money not 3
It's not odd at all. Massdrop was able to achieve a significant discount over what I could have gotten, due to their negotiating power and ability to promise sales in volume. Even though they're taking a cut, it's still cheaper for everyone in the end.
As for me, I'll receive $1-2 per set which doesn't even pay for all my OOP expenses, not to mention time.
Although, I'll to openly admit that I want my blog to be financially successful. That's what blogs do, and it's the only way I'll be able to keep up with it long term. There's nothing wrong with that, and I don't like it when people have to apologize on GH for making money in exchange for something valuable. It's not an evil thing. Don't get me wrong, I'm not Ayn-Rand-status and I'm all for reselling @ original price in classifieds, those are great things about the keyboard community. But the whole hobby is a materialistic one based on BUYING BUYING BUYING, there's no charity involved, so imo the entire anti-profit attitude is a bit naive and disingenuous.
Just some honest talk. Nothing personal against anyone here. :thumb:
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 16:59:47
well, yes Massdrop's fees might make it cost slightly more, but the shear volume of orders seems to be lowering that price a good deal considering this is cheaper than a similar set like HyperfuseWell what would have been cheaper if he ran the buy himself?The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.
Nah, not really. If it were a community buy, the price would have been significantly higher and it would have taken far longer to ship. This was a win-win.
im sure you think ive been threadcrapping, i really havent, but i have to say, this quote is really odd, the buy would be cheaper, not more expensive if it was run as a groupbuy and not a massdrop, as a gb 1 entity would be making money not 3
to clarify, i have no issue at all with them making money, or them paying you, if you didnt want to run this or felt you couldnt, that is totally fine and your decision to make, but i dont think we should try and claim that somehow this saved us all money
what would have been cheaper?
the keyset we are all buying
i dont wanna keep going in to it, but gmk charge a price, if it was a gb, that would be the price we pay
by running it through massdrop, gmk charge their price, then massdrop add a percentage on to that, then they also add on an additional fee for the person who brings it to them, in this case, intelli, now as far as i know, this hasnt been commented on, and perhaps in this case it didnt happen, and intelli turned down payment from massdrop in order to make the set cheaper, that would be up to him to disclose
but the set would be cheaper if it was a gb, because either we wouldnt be paying both intelli and massdrops fee, or just massdrops fee
Post by: BunnyLake on Sat, 04 April 2015, 17:03:38
well, yes Massdrop's fees might make it cost slightly more, but the shear volume of orders seems to be lowering that price a good deal considering this is cheaper than a similar set like HyperfuseWell what would have been cheaper if he ran the buy himself?The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.
Nah, not really. If it were a community buy, the price would have been significantly higher and it would have taken far longer to ship. This was a win-win.
im sure you think ive been threadcrapping, i really havent, but i have to say, this quote is really odd, the buy would be cheaper, not more expensive if it was run as a groupbuy and not a massdrop, as a gb 1 entity would be making money not 3
to clarify, i have no issue at all with them making money, or them paying you, if you didnt want to run this or felt you couldnt, that is totally fine and your decision to make, but i dont think we should try and claim that somehow this saved us all money
what would have been cheaper?
the keyset we are all buying
i dont wanna keep going in to it, but gmk charge a price, if it was a gb, that would be the price we pay
by running it through massdrop, gmk charge their price, then massdrop add a percentage on to that, then they also add on an additional fee for the person who brings it to them, in this case, intelli, now as far as i know, this hasnt been commented on, and perhaps in this case it didnt happen, and intelli turned down payment from massdrop in order to make the set cheaper, that would be up to him to disclose
but the set would be cheaper if it was a gb, because either we wouldnt be paying both intelli and massdrops fee, or just massdrops fee
nice little dig
apart from its not that similar is it
hyperfuse sold half as much, and has significantly more keys
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 17:04:10
but i dont think we should try and claim that somehow this saved us all money
Simply put, we should, because it did. That's pure fact, not spin. See my earlier reply.
Post by: BunnyLake on Sat, 04 April 2015, 17:04:15
im sure you think ive been threadcrapping, i really havent, but i have to say, this quote is really odd, the buy would be cheaper, not more expensive if it was run as a groupbuy and not a massdrop, as a gb 1 entity would be making money not 3
It's not odd at all. Massdrop was able to achieve a significant discount over what I could have gotten, due to their negotiating power and ability to promise sales in volume. Even though they're taking a cut, it's still cheaper for everyone in the end.
As for me, I'll receive $1-2 per set which doesn't even pay for all my OOP expenses, not to mention time.
Although, I'll to openly admit that I want my blog to be financially successful. That's what blogs do, and it's the only way I'll be able to keep up with it long term. There's nothing wrong with that, and I don't like it when people have to apologize on GH for making money in exchange for something valuable. It's not an evil thing. Don't get me wrong, I'm not Ayn-Rand-status and I'm all for reselling @ original price in classifieds, those are great things about the keyboard community. But the whole hobby is a materialistic one based on BUYING BUYING BUYING, there's no charity involved, so imo the entire anti-profit attitude is a bit naive and disingenuous.
Just some honest talk. Nothing personal against anyone here. :thumb:
if you quoted all my text, and not just the first line, i clearly state i have no problem with you or massdrop making money
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 17:08:28
not really a dig, it just happened to be a recent buy that was characteristically similar (gmk, nearly the same amount of extras). The main difference is that one was, for the most part, confined to enthusiasts from this site, while Massdrop's sold more because it was able to reach a wider audiencewell, yes Massdrop's fees might make it cost slightly more, but the shear volume of orders seems to be lowering that price a good deal considering this is cheaper than a similar set like HyperfuseWell what would have been cheaper if he ran the buy himself?The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.
Nah, not really. If it were a community buy, the price would have been significantly higher and it would have taken far longer to ship. This was a win-win.
im sure you think ive been threadcrapping, i really havent, but i have to say, this quote is really odd, the buy would be cheaper, not more expensive if it was run as a groupbuy and not a massdrop, as a gb 1 entity would be making money not 3
to clarify, i have no issue at all with them making money, or them paying you, if you didnt want to run this or felt you couldnt, that is totally fine and your decision to make, but i dont think we should try and claim that somehow this saved us all money
what would have been cheaper?
the keyset we are all buying
i dont wanna keep going in to it, but gmk charge a price, if it was a gb, that would be the price we pay
by running it through massdrop, gmk charge their price, then massdrop add a percentage on to that, then they also add on an additional fee for the person who brings it to them, in this case, intelli, now as far as i know, this hasnt been commented on, and perhaps in this case it didnt happen, and intelli turned down payment from massdrop in order to make the set cheaper, that would be up to him to disclose
but the set would be cheaper if it was a gb, because either we wouldnt be paying both intelli and massdrops fee, or just massdrops fee
nice little dig
apart from its not that similar is it
hyperfuse sold half as much, and has significantly more keys
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 17:08:51
I understand where you're coming from about Massdrop, and it makes sense, but you have to account for what I mentioned earlier: Massdrop's negotiating power and ability to promise sales. I don't have that. They do, and as a result, it really DOES save everyone money. I'm not being disingenuous by saying that. This was an example of a win-win business transaction; how business is SUPPOSED to work, good for everyone, not crony capitalism :)
Post by: BunnyLake on Sat, 04 April 2015, 17:09:48
but i dont think we should try and claim that somehow this saved us all money
Simply put, we should, because it did. That's pure fact, not spin. See my earlier reply.
you are talking to me like i havent dealt with gmk and massdrop, and dont know the score sir, im gonna send you a pm as i dont wanna derail the thread any further
i dont wanna get baited in to saying silly things,, im really happy this was successful for you, i know the business behind it and understand more than many people here why you had to make decisions that you did etc and i dont wanna come off as if im trying to cause issues because im not
Post by: ideus on Sat, 04 April 2015, 17:16:14
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 17:18:37
you are talking to me like i havent dealt with gmk and massdrop, and dont know the score sir, im gonna send you a pm as i dont wanna derail the thread any further
I'm being completely candid here. Maybe you get some kind of discount I don't, but it would not have been cheaper for me to do it; that's a fact. I'm not making this up, and I don't have a score to settle and I did not mean to belittle you in any way. Peace and love, brother. :thumb:
Post by: BunnyLake on Sat, 04 April 2015, 17:24:24
you are talking to me like i havent dealt with gmk and massdrop, and dont know the score sir, im gonna send you a pm as i dont wanna derail the thread any further
I'm being completely candid here. Maybe you get some kind of discount I don't, but it would not have been cheaper for me to do it; that's a fact. I'm not making this up, and I don't have a score to settle and I did not mean to belittle you in any way. Peace and love, brother. :thumb:
its all good man, i sent you a pm anyway, i dont wanna clutter the thread, nor deal with a bunch of people joining in a conversation that they are only speculating about
Post by: njbair on Sat, 04 April 2015, 17:25:49
The scam is if this was a community buy the community would benefit but now it's about business and making $$$$$$$$$.
I don't get this mentality. Every single buy is about convincing some vendor that our little pet project is worth their time and attention. Money is the only thing that convinces them of that. Otherwise MOQ for every buy would be 1 set.
i have literally 0 idea what you are trying to say here
if by vendor you mean manufacturer, then its not our job to convince them what we do is worth their time, its their job to convince us their product is worth our money
if by vendor you mean reseller, very few buys sell sets to vendors
Vendor meaning GMK in this case. GMK is sitting pretty whether it not they get our business. The GB is about convincing GMK that it's worth stopping a large production job and retooling to make a handful of sets for us. So it doesn't make sense to bash Massdrop or anyone else for being in this to make money. This whole thing is about money. That's all I was getting at.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sat, 04 April 2015, 19:41:36
In all seriousness, I'm just so thankful for Intelli (and Bunny) for doing all the hard work and making all the hard decisions and dealing with the complaining and such.
I do not have the patience or constitution for such things, which is why I'm happy to pay my hard earned and precious spending money to get caps like this and support a community effort.
So yeah, Massdrop made some money but that's okay. I believe Intelli when he says we couldn't have gotten this price on our own.
I love all of you guys (well most I guess
) and I'm just so happy that a set that came out of our little corner of the web is so successful! In fact, I'm flat-out flabbergasted at how many sets have been sold in the last few weeks when you think of this plus Hyperfuse. Just crazy when a few years ago we were trying to meet MOQ's of 25 or 30 in R3. Amazing. So let's all toast to Intelli and all the others who make things happen for the rest of us. :cheers:
Post by: ideus on Sat, 04 April 2015, 20:11:41
By the way, I'm Mother Theresa, in case you didn't know.Show Image(https://s3.amazonaws.com/tapatalk-emoji/emoji70.png)
In all seriousness, I'm just so thankful for Intelli (and Bunny) for doing all the hard work and making all the hard decisions and dealing with the complaining and such.
I do not have the patience or constitution for such things, which is why I'm happy to pay my hard earned and precious spending money to get caps like this and support a community effort.
So yeah, Massdrop made some money but that's okay. I believe Intelli when he says we couldn't have gotten this price on our own.
I love all of you guys (well most I guessShow Image(https://s3.amazonaws.com/tapatalk-emoji/emoji8.png)) and I'm just so happy that a set that came out of our little corner of the web is so successful! In fact, I'm flat-out flabbergasted at how many sets have been sold in the last few weeks when you think of this plus Hyperfuse. Just crazy when a few years ago we were trying to meet MOQ's of 25 or 30 in R3. Amazing.
So let's all toast to Intelli and all the others who make things happen for the rest of us. :cheers:
I am very sorry for ignoring you Mother.
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 20:13:19
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 04 April 2015, 20:21:34
By the way, I'm Mother Theresa, in case you didn't know.
In all seriousness, I'm just so thankful for Intelli (and Bunny) for doing all the hard work and making all the hard decisions and dealing with the complaining and such.
I do not have the patience or constitution for such things, which is why I'm happy to pay my hard earned and precious spending money to get caps like this and support a community effort.
So yeah, Massdrop made some money but that's okay. I believe Intelli when he says we couldn't have gotten this price on our own.
I love all of you guys (well most I guess
So let's all toast to Intelli and all the others who make things happen for the rest of us. :cheers:
Hear! Hear!
Couldn't have said it better myself..
If it weren't for GMK OG Beige that's coming up, I would have bought myself a second set of Hyperfuse/TA to support intelli/Bunny.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 04 April 2015, 20:26:43
Plays Danzig
I want your tri-color skuuuuuuull!
I need your tri-color skuuuuuuull!
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 04 April 2015, 20:58:41
If you make that crazy custom board, I'll probably sell most of my collection and call it a day with keyboards.
Nah, I could never leave GH. It's the best I've ever seen it in the (almost) 3 years I've been here.
Keep being wonderful, Intelli. GH would suffer greatly without you around.
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 21:06:01
Post by: U47 on Sat, 04 April 2015, 21:34:22
Post by: whentheclouds on Sat, 04 April 2015, 21:34:37
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 04 April 2015, 22:05:37
intelli's efforts towards this project have been admirable, and it exemplifies what one can achieve with the right amount of passion and dedication. you get two thumbs up from me :thumb: :thumb:
So true, intelli's consuming addiction to this colour-way has paved the way for a lot of people to finally acquire it, so kudos to intelli78 for maintaining his faith and sticking to his guns when setting out on this venture.
I know you got flamed by a couple of retards early on BUT they have disappeared from this section, because they saw how righteous this Group Buy has become and the many whom believed in it from the get go :thumb: .
Post by: SK9Wolf7 on Sun, 05 April 2015, 00:08:00
Post by: Danboard on Sun, 05 April 2015, 00:14:06
Post by: FreeCopy on Sun, 05 April 2015, 00:30:56
I was in first 500 to buy this and im so excited, just need to save some money for nice korean board. My wallet is killin me. Any recommendation? I hope ill have something nice for end of this year.
Check out http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/
Post by: Heliosphere on Sun, 05 April 2015, 02:17:32
Orion V2 TKL buy is supposed to happen sometime very soon: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0)
Hubble Mira TKL is what I'm waiting for but the buy date is sometime this summer TBD: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.0)
Edit: Corrected links
Post by: LechnerDE on Sun, 05 April 2015, 02:18:48
Final order count:
1059
:thumb:
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 05 April 2015, 02:26:04
Drop is complete.
Final order count:
1059
:thumb:
(http://i.imgur.com/BCP4b4g.gif)
Post by: Jokrik on Sun, 05 April 2015, 02:26:22
CONGRATZ!!!
Post by: bazh on Sun, 05 April 2015, 02:32:49
next: Toxic GMK! Make it happen!
Post by: Jokrik on Sun, 05 April 2015, 02:39:52
wow, this is huge
next: Toxic GMK! Make it happen!
Penumbra before Toxic :D
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 05 April 2015, 02:46:38
wow, this is huge
next: Toxic GMK! Make it happen!
I'd like to see a set with grey, or the same color alphas that this TA set used, and purple mods.
Post by: bazh on Sun, 05 April 2015, 02:50:36
wow, this is huge
next: Toxic GMK! Make it happen!
I'd like to see a set with grey, or the same color alphas that this TA set used, and purple mods.
I think we just need to re-run the purple mod, no need for the whole set though
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 05 April 2015, 03:22:27
I joined your stupid group buy. It's my birthday present to myself.
If you make that crazy custom board, I'll probably sell most of my collection and call it a day with keyboards.
Nah, I could never leave GH. It's the best I've ever seen it in the (almost) 3 years I've been here.
Keep being wonderful, Intelli. GH would suffer greatly without you around.
Uh records show you joined 30-06-2013, 19:08:09, which is almost 2 years by my calculation :p
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 05 April 2015, 03:43:55
Uh records show you joined 30-06-2013, 19:08:09, which is almost 2 years by my calculation :p
Incorrect Sir, we are dealing in GEEKHACK Years which is like sitting on the far edge of an event horizon, meaning 2 years here on Geekhack is like 20 years elsewhere 8) .
In fact he's a very old man in real life.......
Post by: bueller on Sun, 05 April 2015, 04:37:01
next: Toxic GMK! Make it happen!
This really needs to happen. If someone else doesn't organise it in the next couple of months I'll make some enquiries with GMK and Massdrop.
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 05 April 2015, 04:40:30
next: Toxic GMK! Make it happen!
This really needs to happen. If someone else doesn't organise it in the next couple of months I'll make some enquiries with GMK and Massdrop.
Unfortunately you won't get the custom logo's/images on any keys, hence it will be another Black and Green key-set, certainly nothing like the Original Toxic Key-set.
Post by: LechnerDE on Sun, 05 April 2015, 04:42:30
next: Toxic GMK! Make it happen!
This really needs to happen. If someone else doesn't organise it in the next couple of months I'll make some enquiries with GMK and Massdrop.
Unfortunately you won't get the custom logo's/images on any keys, hence it will be another Black and Green key-set, certainly nothing like the Original Toxic Key-set.
Good point Elrick, but don't try to make us believe you wouldn't order 3+ sets of GMK Toxic anyway :p
Post by: bueller on Sun, 05 April 2015, 04:42:39
next: Toxic GMK! Make it happen!
This really needs to happen. If someone else doesn't organise it in the next couple of months I'll make some enquiries with GMK and Massdrop.
Unfortunately you won't get the custom logo's/images on any keys, hence it will be another Black and Green key-set, certainly nothing like the Original Toxic Key-set.
I'm not fussed about custom keys, I just want to see if we can get the custom color to meet MOQ.
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 05 April 2015, 04:47:09
Good point Elrick, but don't try to make us believe you wouldn't order 3+ sets of GMK Toxic anyway :p
YES, I'm a certified GMK-hoe, addicted to any coloured key-set that comes from their molds...... :'( .
Post by: LechnerDE on Sun, 05 April 2015, 04:55:14
YES, I'm a certified GMK-hoe :'( .
There is no shame in liking German craftsmanship :thumb:
Post by: morpheus on Sun, 05 April 2015, 10:29:51
Post by: daviswalkers on Sun, 05 April 2015, 13:25:05
GON boards are nice, as well as 22kbd: http://22kbd.com/ (http://22kbd.com/)
Orion V2 TKL buy is supposed to happen sometime very soon: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0)
Hubble Mira TKL is what I'm waiting for but the buy date is sometime this summer TBD: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0)
Both of your second links are to the Orion V2 page.
Post by: Heliosphere on Sun, 05 April 2015, 13:27:53
GON boards are nice, as well as 22kbd: http://22kbd.com/ (http://22kbd.com/)
Orion V2 TKL buy is supposed to happen sometime very soon: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0)
Hubble Mira TKL is what I'm waiting for but the buy date is sometime this summer TBD: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0)
Both of your second links are to the Orion V2 page.
Woops, thanks for catching that.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 05 April 2015, 14:47:09
GON boards are nice, as well as 22kbd: http://22kbd.com/ (http://22kbd.com/)
Orion V2 TKL buy is supposed to happen sometime very soon: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0)
Hubble Mira TKL is what I'm waiting for but the buy date is sometime this summer TBD: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0)
Both of your second links are to the Orion V2 page.
Woops, thanks for catching that.
GON is a more mature endeavor though.
Post by: daviswalkers on Sun, 05 April 2015, 14:50:15
What's everyone's opinion on winkeyless.kr (http://winkeyless.kr) I've seen a few boards from there in the Post your Korean Keyboard thread but never heard anything else about them.GON boards are nice, as well as 22kbd: http://22kbd.com/ (http://22kbd.com/)
Orion V2 TKL buy is supposed to happen sometime very soon: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0)
Hubble Mira TKL is what I'm waiting for but the buy date is sometime this summer TBD: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0)
Both of your second links are to the Orion V2 page.
Woops, thanks for catching that.
Post by: Den441 on Sun, 05 April 2015, 15:38:25
What's everyone's opinion on winkeyless.kr (http://winkeyless.kr) I've seen a few boards from there in the Post your Korean Keyboard thread but never heard anything else about them.GON boards are nice, as well as 22kbd: http://22kbd.com/ (http://22kbd.com/)
Orion V2 TKL buy is supposed to happen sometime very soon: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0)
Hubble Mira TKL is what I'm waiting for but the buy date is sometime this summer TBD: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69190.0)
Both of your second links are to the Orion V2 page.
Woops, thanks for catching that.
They are known for their RGB backlighting which can be seen in this video: I think they can make a full-size version which would be perfect for these caps. I'm not sure how ordering works with them though....you might try contacting them directly. I just can't see myself using these beautiful caps on a TKL or 60% and putting the numpad keys away in some dark drawer never to be used. A separate numpad might do the trick though. I still haven't decided how I will utilize these.
Post by: motherbrain on Sun, 05 April 2015, 16:34:34
anyone have a spare nuclear data green set laying around? lol
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 05 April 2015, 19:42:53
GON is a more mature endeavor though.
His firmware is almost BULLET-Proof so you could design the layout in any way you like.
Plus he has been doing this a very long time hence his quality is above reproach when it comes to building and supplying keyboard parts to his designs.
YES I'm a certified GON-ho when it comes to any of his keyboards 8) 8) 8) 8) .
Post by: shoostep on Sun, 05 April 2015, 20:02:50
Post by: daviswalkers on Sun, 05 April 2015, 20:11:21
GON is a more mature endeavor though.
His firmware is almost BULLET-Proof so you could design the layout in any way you like.
Plus he has been doing this a very long time hence his quality is above reproach when it comes to building and supplying keyboard parts to his designs.
YES I'm a certified GON-ho when it comes to any of his keyboards 8) 8) 8) 8) .
is there anywhere someone can see pictures of your collection? I swear you take part in every single group buy I'd be interested in seeing your beautiful collection.
Post by: shawn o on Sun, 05 April 2015, 22:01:09
No Compromise, no regrets.
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 06 April 2015, 00:59:36
Post by: tbc on Mon, 06 April 2015, 01:03:29
Wasn't shipping supposed to be under $10 for these? I just checked Paypal and it's almost $16. Did I misread it/remember incorrectly or did I get overcharged?
they think you're canadian lol
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 06 April 2015, 01:03:57
Wasn't shipping supposed to be under $10 for these? I just checked Paypal and it's almost $16. Did I misread it/remember incorrectly or did I get overcharged?
Ya, that's not right... I ordered 4 sets and shipping was only $10.47 total.
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 06 April 2015, 01:06:08
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 06 April 2015, 01:07:18
Looks like I need to hit them up since I got charged $115.78 for the set. It was $99.99 + sub $10 shipping.Yeah, mine was only 7.71 US
Post by: LechnerDE on Mon, 06 April 2015, 02:04:23
Wasn't shipping supposed to be under $10 for these? I just checked Paypal and it's almost $16. Did I misread it/remember incorrectly or did I get overcharged?
If it makes you feel better shipping to EU was 13$ for one set, 26$ for 2 sets and so on :(
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 06 April 2015, 02:37:34
Wasn't shipping supposed to be under $10 for these? I just checked Paypal and it's almost $16. Did I misread it/remember incorrectly or did I get overcharged?
If it makes you feel better shipping to EU was 13$ for one set, 26$ for 2 sets and so on :(
Shipping to Australia was $40.00USD for me so be glad you are not stuck here in this hell-hole, down under >:( .
Post by: Danboard on Mon, 06 April 2015, 02:38:38
Wasn't shipping supposed to be under $10 for these? I just checked Paypal and it's almost $16. Did I misread it/remember incorrectly or did I get overcharged?
If it makes you feel better shipping to EU was 13$ for one set, 26$ for 2 sets and so on :(
Yup, this was the same for Canada too.
Post by: bazh on Mon, 06 April 2015, 03:09:05
Wasn't shipping supposed to be under $10 for these? I just checked Paypal and it's almost $16. Did I misread it/remember incorrectly or did I get overcharged?
If it makes you feel better shipping to EU was 13$ for one set, 26$ for 2 sets and so on :(
Yup, this was the same for Canada too.
$15 to Fin though
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 06 April 2015, 08:12:46
Or maybe I derped and it has tax in it. That's probably it.
That is indeed probably it. They are registered in San Fran, so you prob got hit with CA sales tax. :sad:
Post by: SigLogical on Mon, 06 April 2015, 11:12:47
Post by: monotagary on Mon, 06 April 2015, 11:38:48
:s missed the cut-off for the drop because paypal account decided to lock itself up, pulling me out of the drop entirely. Will there be any Extras? or am i out of luck?
I wouldn't doubt that a few vendors picked up bulk orders, so there will probably be an opportunity to pick some up.
Post by: nightdriver on Mon, 06 April 2015, 13:06:38
:s missed the cut-off for the drop because paypal account decided to lock itself up, pulling me out of the drop entirely. Will there be any Extras? or am i out of luck?
i had that same problem but thankfully it gave me a chance to fix it. i reauthorized and all is fine now.
Post by: Sygaldry on Mon, 06 April 2015, 13:18:15
:cool:
Post by: monotagary on Mon, 06 April 2015, 13:56:21
Ended up as participant 69.
:cool:
Ayy lmao. :))
Post by: SigLogical on Tue, 07 April 2015, 02:34:32
:s missed the cut-off for the drop because paypal account decided to lock itself up, pulling me out of the drop entirely. Will there be any Extras? or am i out of luck?
i had that same problem but thankfully it gave me a chance to fix it. i reauthorized and all is fine now.
:s missed the cut-off for the drop because paypal account decided to lock itself up, pulling me out of the drop entirely. Will there be any Extras? or am i out of luck?
I wouldn't doubt that a few vendors picked up bulk orders, so there will probably be an opportunity to pick some up.
I contacted massdrop and they gave me a another chance, Got in, all is good now :thumb: Thanks Obama
Post by: Orca on Tue, 07 April 2015, 10:55:57
Wasn't shipping supposed to be under $10 for these? I just checked Paypal and it's almost $16. Did I misread it/remember incorrectly or did I get overcharged?
If it makes you feel better shipping to EU was 13$ for one set, 26$ for 2 sets and so on :(
Yup, this was the same for Canada too.
$15 to Fin though
Wasn't shipping supposed to be under $10 for these? I just checked Paypal and it's almost $16. Did I misread it/remember incorrectly or did I get overcharged?
If it makes you feel better shipping to EU was 13$ for one set, 26$ for 2 sets and so on :(
Shipping to Australia was $40.00USD for me so be glad you are not stuck here in this hell-hole, down under >:( .
for ur refrence my shipping to Singapore for 1 set was US$13.40
Post by: ideus on Tue, 07 April 2015, 11:10:34
Wasn't shipping supposed to be under $10 for these? I just checked Paypal and it's almost $16. Did I misread it/remember incorrectly or did I get overcharged?
If it makes you feel better shipping to EU was 13$ for one set, 26$ for 2 sets and so on :(
Yup, this was the same for Canada too.
$15 to Fin thoughWasn't shipping supposed to be under $10 for these? I just checked Paypal and it's almost $16. Did I misread it/remember incorrectly or did I get overcharged?
If it makes you feel better shipping to EU was 13$ for one set, 26$ for 2 sets and so on :(
Shipping to Australia was $40.00USD for me so be glad you are not stuck here in this hell-hole, down under >:( .
for ur refrence my shipping to Singapore for 1 set was US$13.40
A jump over the ocean doubled the shipping?
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 08 April 2015, 00:29:18
A jump over the ocean doubled the shipping?
Just taking the piss buddy ;D .
Forty bucks is still cheaper than buying an IBM keyboard off Ebay and having it shipped here to Convict Town.
Post by: Nai_Calus on Wed, 08 April 2015, 01:03:23
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 08 April 2015, 05:45:33
A jump over the ocean doubled the shipping?
Just taking the piss buddy ;D .
Forty bucks is still cheaper than buying an IBM keyboard off Ebay and having it shipped here to Convict Town.
I can attest to that (done it twice very recently).
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 08 April 2015, 16:02:48
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 09 April 2015, 12:06:05
Update for those asking about "re-import" shipping - Massdrop has assured us that they're already doing everything they can, there will be no special package marking.
Thanks for the update :thumb:
This is hoping my parcel slips trough customs unnoticed :p
Post by: Atredl on Thu, 09 April 2015, 23:55:04
Post by: choc on Fri, 10 April 2015, 08:25:21
plz notify me if this opens again. :p
Post by: LXXXIX on Fri, 10 April 2015, 10:43:04
Intelli78: I just wanted to pop in hear an say thanks for doing all of the work for this GB. Obviously I'm new to Geekhack and because of this I only found out about this buy through Massdrop. Really glad they were able to do the shipping for this Amazing buy! I'm definitely in the camp that thinks that going through Massdrop to reach more people is the way to go. Hope you have continued success with KeyChatter and the rest of your endeavors!
Agree 100%. I know not too many people like MD, but if you want numbers and have a better chance of something succeeding I think this is the route to go. I'm glad intelli put this on there and used it as a platform for this GB. It worked so well. Thanks agaian intelli! :cool:
Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 10 April 2015, 14:17:44
Post by: Chemisery on Sat, 11 April 2015, 00:40:44
too bad, missed it.
plz notify me if this opens again. :p
You can try contacting MD or hit the classified when the shipping has started as some have bought more than 1 set.
Post by: Atredl on Fri, 17 April 2015, 17:07:56
too bad, missed it.
plz notify me if this opens again. :p
I'll have a couple extra sets. Shoot me a PM once they're shipped.
Post by: shawn o on Sun, 19 April 2015, 20:59:06
Post by: cjhard on Sun, 19 April 2015, 21:04:34
It may run again someday, but pretend it won't.
Post by: ttzhou on Sun, 19 April 2015, 23:16:02
There is a request button on the original buy and once it hits 200 the drop will re-launch. Its at 122 right now.
I don't think that will be the case for this. Other drops have reached 200 requests and have not redropped. I think 200 = contact manufacturer, but it's up to manufacturer to decide if they will produce.
Post by: Evo_Spec on Mon, 20 April 2015, 00:55:39
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 20 April 2015, 01:17:17
I'm probably going to pick up a set off someone so hopefully a bunch of you guys picked up an extra set! LolI'm pretty sure. There was also someone picking up ~400 sets near the end.
Post by: Evo_Spec on Mon, 20 April 2015, 01:20:26
Although I'm not expecting GB pricing I still hope not to get a butt raped lolI'm probably going to pick up a set off someone so hopefully a bunch of you guys picked up an extra set! LolI'm pretty sure. There was also someone picking up ~400 sets near the end.
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 20 April 2015, 05:19:12
Although I'm not expecting GB pricing I still hope not to get a butt raped lol
Any extras that will go into the Classifieds section will no doubt be aiming for your aperture, hence if you really want this key-set you need to apply a liberal amount of KY and just grin through the experience.
Hopefully there won't be any lasting damage to your good self and remember to always participate in any future GMK Group Buys because it's always worth the effort.
Post by: Evo_Spec on Mon, 20 April 2015, 06:01:26
As to be expected.Although I'm not expecting GB pricing I still hope not to get a butt raped lol
Any extras that will go into the Classifieds section will no doubt be aiming for your aperture, hence if you really want this key-set you need to apply a liberal amount of KY and just grin through the experience.
Hopefully there won't be any lasting damage to your good self and remember to always participate in any future GMK Group Buys because it's always worth the effort.
Luckily for ME and the reason (besides financially) for not participating is that I don't feel as this was the perfect set for me as this doesn't fit my color preferences and I'm just more interested in the history and such behind why/how it was made.
So if I can't get my desired price point I'm perfectly comfortable with not being able to get a set and will wait for a GMK key set that fits my color preference.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 20 April 2015, 16:06:34
As to be expected.Although I'm not expecting GB pricing I still hope not to get a butt raped lol
Any extras that will go into the Classifieds section will no doubt be aiming for your aperture, hence if you really want this key-set you need to apply a liberal amount of KY and just grin through the experience.
Hopefully there won't be any lasting damage to your good self and remember to always participate in any future GMK Group Buys because it's always worth the effort.
Luckily for ME and the reason (besides financially) for not participating is that I don't feel as this was the perfect set for me as this doesn't fit my color preferences and I'm just more interested in the history and such behind why/how it was made.
So if I can't get my desired price point I'm perfectly comfortable with not being able to get a set and will wait for a GMK key set that fits my color preference.
What is your keyboard preference?
Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 24 April 2015, 01:36:00
:-X :-X :-X :-X :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
Post by: Heliosphere on Fri, 24 April 2015, 01:45:49
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yFcoaB8.jpg)
:-X :-X :-X :-X :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
All those beautiful blue-green pantone chips. That keyboard is nice too. ;)
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 24 April 2015, 05:24:44
Are you sending these to GMK?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yFcoaB8.jpg)
:-X :-X :-X :-X ??? ??? ??? ???
Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 24 April 2015, 05:25:53
Are you sending these to GMK?
Not all of them... just the one I pick for them to color match.
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 24 April 2015, 05:36:42
Thats what I thought, if I am going to take a guess, the two that are front and center?Are you sending these to GMK?
Not all of them... just the one I pick for them to color match.
Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 24 April 2015, 05:39:56
If there is one thing I've learned from this GB, it's that colors are really ****ing complicated when you start looking closely. And LCD monitor colors are really quite different than real life objects like paper and plastic. I always took this stuff for granted but it is not simple at all.
From now on I'm only going to operate my life in MS Paint colors. :confused:
Post by: njbair on Fri, 24 April 2015, 06:46:52
Will be making the final decision this weekend. But believe me, it's 100% impossible to judge these colors on a monitor. What you're seeing is gonna be completely different than the chip IRL. Hell, the chips look vastly different even under different lighting conditions.They do make color calibrated monitors intended for people doing real world design, but they are really expensive. And normal computer stuff looks like crap on them.
If there is one thing I've learned from this GB, it's that colors are really ****ing complicated when you start looking closely. And LCD monitor colors are really quite different than real life objects like paper and plastic. I always took this stuff for granted but it is not simple at all.
From now on I'm only going to operate my life in MS Paint colors. :confused:
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 24 April 2015, 08:03:30
Will be making the final decision this weekend. But believe me, it's 100% impossible to judge these colors on a monitor. What you're seeing is gonna be completely different than the chip IRL. Hell, the chips look vastly different even under different lighting conditions.
If there is one thing I've learned from this GB, it's that colors are really ****ing complicated when you start looking closely. And LCD monitor colors are really quite different than real life objects like paper and plastic. I always took this stuff for granted but it is not simple at all.
From now on I'm only going to operate my life in MS Paint colors. :confused:
I'm sure the set is going to turn out beautiful either way intelli
Post by: whentheclouds on Fri, 24 April 2015, 10:29:56
Post by: MarkRobbo on Fri, 24 April 2015, 10:34:57
what happened to color matching the loaner cap?
There was never a plan to color match the sets which exist at the moment IIRC.
He wanted to match a teal color of partial aging, not what it has aged to today.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 24 April 2015, 10:43:46
Post by: whentheclouds on Fri, 24 April 2015, 11:58:06
There was never a plan to color match the sets which exist at the moment IIRC.you're right.. kinda. he acquired a loaner board but didn't have permission to send it to MD.. and the board he purchased is actually a lot more yellowed than in the initial photos that (i assume) the buyer provided. i stopped thinking about all of this after joining the drop but it makes sense now
He wanted to match a teal color of partial aging, not what it has aged to today.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Fri, 24 April 2015, 13:18:07
Will be making the final decision this weekend. But believe me, it's 100% impossible to judge these colors on a monitor. What you're seeing is gonna be completely different than the chip IRL. Hell, the chips look vastly different even under different lighting conditions.
If there is one thing I've learned from this GB, it's that colors are really ****ing complicated when you start looking closely. And LCD monitor colors are really quite different than real life objects like paper and plastic. I always took this stuff for granted but it is not simple at all.
From now on I'm only going to operate my life in MS Paint colors. :confused:
Thanks for the work, I think I speak for everyone when I say I'm glad this set hit, well crushed, the MOQ.
Post by: awhitedev on Fri, 24 April 2015, 16:51:39
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yFcoaB8.jpg)
:-X :-X :-X :-X :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
Not to steer too far off topic... but is that the Anker vertical mouse? How do you like it?
Post by: Ouro on Sun, 03 May 2015, 11:03:36
Post by: drewba on Sun, 03 May 2015, 18:53:46
Post by: ttzhou on Mon, 04 May 2015, 05:36:06
PM if interested.
Sold.
Post by: lookitdisnub on Thu, 07 May 2015, 12:57:02
Post by: awhitedev on Thu, 07 May 2015, 13:53:37
Post by: shower_king on Sun, 10 May 2015, 03:37:12
which color is chosen as the production colorway?
Post by: intelli78 on Sun, 10 May 2015, 03:51:50
Post by: shower_king on Sun, 10 May 2015, 04:45:48
GMK should be receiving the materials soon. The final teal color is Pantone 315C... Please remember that any 315C you look up online on your computer monitor will be nothing like the plastic in real life. I went through over $700 of color chips before deciding on this one.thank you for updates
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 10 May 2015, 05:20:01
GMK should be receiving the materials soon. The final teal color is Pantone 315C... Please remember that any 315C you look up online on your computer monitor will be nothing like the plastic in real life. I went through over $700 of color chips before deciding on this one.
Sweet! Don't worry I think everyone here trusts your judgement on the issue given that you actually own a set of original TA caps :)
Post by: intelli78 on Sun, 10 May 2015, 18:58:17
GMK should be receiving the materials soon. The final teal color is Pantone 315C... Please remember that any 315C you look up online on your computer monitor will be nothing like the plastic in real life. I went through over $700 of color chips before deciding on this one.
Sweet! Don't worry I think everyone here trusts your judgement on the issue given that you actually own a set of original TA caps :)
The chosen teal is actually quite a bit more vibrant than the set I have. Pretty similar to what's shown on Massdrop. My set is actually very washed out, yellow-green more than blue-green and you would NOT have wanted me copy it exactly. I believe the final product will be very nice. :thumb:
Post by: whentheclouds on Sun, 10 May 2015, 19:10:57
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 10 May 2015, 19:11:31
GMK should be receiving the materials soon. The final teal color is Pantone 315C... Please remember that any 315C you look up online on your computer monitor will be nothing like the plastic in real life. I went through over $700 of color chips before deciding on this one.
Sweet! Don't worry I think everyone here trusts your judgement on the issue given that you actually own a set of original TA caps :)
The chosen teal is actually quite a bit more vibrant than the set I have. Pretty similar to what's shown on Massdrop. My set is actually very washed out, yellow-green more than blue-green and you would NOT have wanted me copy it exactly. I believe the final product will be very nice. :thumb:
(http://i.imgur.com/0IQ1zcA.gif)
Post by: madhias on Mon, 11 May 2015, 09:17:10
GMK should be receiving the materials soon. The final teal color is Pantone 315C... Please remember that any 315C you look up online on your computer monitor will be nothing like the plastic in real life. I went through over $700 of color chips before deciding on this one.
Sweet! Don't worry I think everyone here trusts your judgement on the issue given that you actually own a set of original TA caps :)
The chosen teal is actually quite a bit more vibrant than the set I have. Pretty similar to what's shown on Massdrop. My set is actually very washed out, yellow-green more than blue-green and you would NOT have wanted me copy it exactly. I believe the final product will be very nice. :thumb:
P315 seems to be nice choice, really looking forward to see this set in reality then. Hope you looked on the color chips and reference board under different light conditions though :)
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 11 May 2015, 11:30:15
I liked this set a lot, but I'm moving onto a different vision for my boards.
Post by: whentheclouds on Mon, 11 May 2015, 11:40:02
I liked this set a lot, but I'm moving onto a different vision for my boards.i wish i could do the same, but i'm too attached to this set and now it's ****ing up my pre-established plans in a big way
Post by: ttzhou on Mon, 11 May 2015, 11:42:56
I liked this set a lot, but I'm moving onto a different vision for my boards.i wish i could do the same, but i'm too attached to this set and now it's ****ing up my pre-established plans in a big way
Yep, I feel ya there.
I got a Cherry G80-3000 from Europe in beige just for this, then I sold the caps :confused:. Luckily I like the board a lot (fullsize clears!!!!) and use it at work, so I didn't technically "lose" 100CAD.
Post by: mtzgr on Mon, 11 May 2015, 16:05:53
http://imgur.com/urt4rGH
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 11 May 2015, 17:16:01
Post by: plegnic on Mon, 11 May 2015, 18:30:50
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 11 May 2015, 18:41:47
Im selling my set if anyone wants it
Paid:
(http://terraformers.info/pics/money.jpg)
Post by: MarkRobbo on Mon, 11 May 2015, 18:41:58
I am not selling my set if anyone wants it. :p
I'll not take it, don't PM me :thumb:
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 11 May 2015, 19:37:06
Mine is still up for grabs. Just saying... :))
Post by: wakko on Mon, 11 May 2015, 21:56:08
Im selling my set if anyone wants it
Missed the GB initially but managed to get hwoods spot.
Damn seems like some other people are feeling like me right now. Had someone PM and I guess I was not swift enough with returning the PM and one of you fools swiped me. >:D
Mine is still up for grabs. Just saying... :))
Just by a few minutes )
Post by: LXXXIX on Tue, 12 May 2015, 19:48:33
Im selling my set if anyone wants it
Missed the GB initially but managed to get hwoods spot.Damn seems like some other people are feeling like me right now. Had someone PM and I guess I was not swift enough with returning the PM and one of you fools swiped me. >:D
Mine is still up for grabs. Just saying... :))
Just by a few minutes )
How I'm feeling right now. :'(
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Post by: morpheus on Tue, 12 May 2015, 21:01:20
I am not selling my set if anyone wants it. :p
I'll not take it, don't PM me :thumb:
Ah reminds me of good old fashioned scalping.
Post by: NorrisB on Tue, 12 May 2015, 21:33:28
Post by: ttzhou on Tue, 12 May 2015, 21:56:46
intelli, beautiful job on this group buy, could you get massdrop to put red alert and olevetti on as well>?
or BSP Olivetti. PBT master race :p
Post by: nightdriver on Wed, 13 May 2015, 17:55:04
intelli, beautiful job on this group buy, could you get massdrop to put red alert and olevetti on as well>?
no u
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 13 May 2015, 18:29:38
intelli, beautiful job on this group buy, could you get massdrop to put red alert and olevetti on as well>?
no u
+1
Post by: NorrisB on Wed, 13 May 2015, 18:55:33
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 13 May 2015, 19:35:47
intelli, beautiful job on this group buy, could you get massdrop to put red alert and olevetti on as well>?
Why didn't you just buy from Photekq while the group buy was open.
Post by: NorrisB on Wed, 13 May 2015, 19:40:56
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 13 May 2015, 19:42:39
Post by: NorrisB on Wed, 13 May 2015, 19:44:28
Post by: ttzhou on Wed, 13 May 2015, 20:41:03
and Im not giving money to commies damnit
This is hilarious. Half the **** you use goes to "commies" who own the factories that make them.
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 13 May 2015, 20:49:43
and Im not giving money to commies damnit
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Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 13 May 2015, 22:45:53
because they were absurdly overpriced is that enough of a reason?
Rather than demand that other people spend their time contributing to the community why don't you stop being so selfish and do it yourself
Intelli78 put more hours than you could possibly imagine into getting TA going and was only possible to do so after building up a lot of trust within the community. Don't be so childish throwing tantrums in here about what you want
Post by: Joey Quinn on Wed, 13 May 2015, 22:49:10
and Im not giving money to commies damnit
Situation childish
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 13 May 2015, 23:46:00
and Im not giving money to commies damnit
This is hilarious. Half the **** you use goes to "commies" who own the factories that make them.
In case anyone had a major brain haemorrhage in the past couple of months, all these key-caps are all Made in a Country called "Germany" 8) .
Hence please sort out your problems in not reading about where the GMK company resides, and NorrisB stop embarrassing yourself because it only highlights either your ignorance or extremely poor education. Geography son is important, get to know it soon :thumb: .
Post by: bueller on Wed, 13 May 2015, 23:48:34
Post by: jonathanyu on Thu, 14 May 2015, 00:22:44
So have GMK given us a deadline for when these will be finished? Was kind of hoping they'd at least be in production considering we're nearly 6 weeks in from the drop ending.
Intelli78 said GMK should receive the colour sample in few days three days ago. So I guess the production is not started yet. I thought the colours were decided before the gb start though...
Post by: bueller on Thu, 14 May 2015, 00:30:31
So have GMK given us a deadline for when these will be finished? Was kind of hoping they'd at least be in production considering we're nearly 6 weeks in from the drop ending.
Intelli78 said GMK should receive the colour sample in few days three days ago. So I guess the production is not started yet. I thought the colours were decided before the gb start though...
That's what I thought too.
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 14 May 2015, 00:44:15
Intelli78 said GMK should receive the colour sample in few days three days ago. So I guess the production is not started yet. I thought the colours were decided before the gb start though...
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That's what I thought too.
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Intelli said that the results using the originally intended plastics didn't turn out very well hence all the pantone chips and new colour sampling
Post by: bueller on Tue, 19 May 2015, 21:18:15
Post by: njbair on Tue, 19 May 2015, 21:22:02
Any word from GMK on a deadline? They've pushed Hyperfuse way back so I'm hoping we've got a spot in the queue or we're going to be waiting a long time.
If they pushed back Hyperfuse to do this first I'll be a little bit ticked off.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 19 May 2015, 21:24:15
Any word from GMK on a deadline? They've pushed Hyperfuse way back so I'm hoping we've got a spot in the queue or we're going to be waiting a long time.
If they pushed back Hyperfuse to do this first I'll be a little bit ticked off.
I dont think that should happen. I thought Hyperfuse finished first...
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 19 May 2015, 21:54:36
Post by: Eziak on Tue, 19 May 2015, 22:08:19
Hyperfuse did finish first, if they didn't push back hyperfuse for this, and TA happens after Hyperfuse it's going to be the end of summer/beginning of fall before this comes through. I know that the community here is familiar with stuff like this happening, but I don't think the community from Massdrop will be as accepting of several months in delay from a stated delivery date.Any word from GMK on a deadline? They've pushed Hyperfuse way back so I'm hoping we've got a spot in the queue or we're going to be waiting a long time.
If they pushed back Hyperfuse to do this first I'll be a little bit ticked off.
I dont think that should happen. I thought Hyperfuse finished first...
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Tue, 19 May 2015, 22:12:25
I'm pretty sure over 95% of the people who participated on massdrop are users from here/reddit/dt/ec and the Korean forums understand that delays can happen in manufacturing, I do hope it's still on pace to be done by the ETA though! :thumb:Hyperfuse did finish first, if they didn't push back hyperfuse for this, and TA happens after Hyperfuse it's going to be the end of summer/beginning of fall before this comes through. I know that the community here is familiar with stuff like this happening, but I don't think the community from Massdrop will be as accepting of several months in delay from a stated delivery date.Any word from GMK on a deadline? They've pushed Hyperfuse way back so I'm hoping we've got a spot in the queue or we're going to be waiting a long time.
If they pushed back Hyperfuse to do this first I'll be a little bit ticked off.
I dont think that should happen. I thought Hyperfuse finished first...
Post by: njbair on Tue, 19 May 2015, 22:23:17
Hyperfuse did finish first, if they didn't push back hyperfuse for this, and TA happens after Hyperfuse it's going to be the end of summer/beginning of fall before this comes through. I know that the community here is familiar with stuff like this happening, but I don't think the community from Massdrop will be as accepting of several months in delay from a stated delivery date.Any word from GMK on a deadline? They've pushed Hyperfuse way back so I'm hoping we've got a spot in the queue or we're going to be waiting a long time.
If they pushed back Hyperfuse to do this first I'll be a little bit ticked off.
I dont think that should happen. I thought Hyperfuse finished first...
IME Massdrop is extremely slow.
It's also possible the two will ship very close together. It's not like GMK has one guy on one machine, cranking out keycaps one at a time. Each set will probably spend less than a week in actual production. It's all the ancillary work that takes the most time.
Post by: exitfire401 on Tue, 19 May 2015, 22:27:40
IME Massdrop is extremely slow.
Gonna have to agree here. I've only participated in 2 or 3 drops out of 12 or so that have been shipped to me in less than a month. Not gonna complain since I received the items and wasn't expecting a speedy delivery, but I can see why newcomers to the system would be pissed about it.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 19 May 2015, 22:29:51
Post by: njbair on Tue, 19 May 2015, 22:52:48
IME Massdrop is extremely slow.
Gonna have to agree here. I've only participated in 2 or 3 drops out of 12 or so that have been shipped to me in less than a month. Not gonna complain since I received the items and wasn't expecting a speedy delivery, but I can see why newcomers to the system would be pissed about it.
I'll probably not bother with Massdrop anymore unless it's something I really can't get anywhere else. Between the shipping fees and the extremely long wait times, it's just not really that good of a deal.
Anyway, production-wise, there's really no reason that TA can't ship within a week or two of Hyperfuse. But we don't know how long the lead time is for custom colors.
Right now the official ship date is "before Half Life 3."
Post by: plegnic on Wed, 20 May 2015, 08:11:30
Post by: BunnyLake on Wed, 20 May 2015, 08:28:38
I haven't received an update from GMK yet. I'll contact them if no word in a couple weeks.
we had to chase them pretty hard for an update
it also wouldnt surprise me if TA got in before us, there are a couple of steps between confirming the order and asking to pay, and then actually paying, and during that process the gmk replies were pretty slow back to us even though we always replied with the info needed instantly
Post by: jonathanyu on Wed, 20 May 2015, 11:17:22
Any word from GMK on a deadline? They've pushed Hyperfuse way back so I'm hoping we've got a spot in the queue or we're going to be waiting a long time.
Right now according to Bunny the GMK estimate for Hyper fuse ship date is 8th July. Not sure what this means for TA
I don't think GMK can only produce one set at a time.
Post by: Spopepro on Wed, 20 May 2015, 12:29:15
Post by: njbair on Wed, 20 May 2015, 14:57:38
I think many of you are overestimating how large of an operation GMK is. I thought I read somewhere that they are total less than 15 people. Short of the OEM providers in the far east who want nothing to do with us (and honestly, provide little of interest), everyone in this world is a small operation.
Perhaps, but don't underestimate how quickly a well-equipped production line (even a small one) can spit out this kind of product.
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 20 May 2015, 22:43:57
I think many of you are overestimating how large of an operation GMK is. I thought I read somewhere that they are total less than 15 people. Short of the OEM providers in the far east who want nothing to do with us (and honestly, provide little of interest), everyone in this world is a small operation.
Perhaps, but don't underestimate how quickly a well-equipped production line (even a small one) can spit out this kind of product.
True but I imagine that the set up period takes a little while for each set - especially when working with an entirely new color of plastic
Post by: jonathanyu on Wed, 20 May 2015, 23:58:04
I think many of you are overestimating how large of an operation GMK is. I thought I read somewhere that they are total less than 15 people. Short of the OEM providers in the far east who want nothing to do with us (and honestly, provide little of interest), everyone in this world is a small operation.
GMK is a company that produce thousands of custom keyboards. A thousand set of keycaps is a really small job to them.
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 21 May 2015, 01:21:04
I think many of you are overestimating how large of an operation GMK is. I thought I read somewhere that they are total less than 15 people. Short of the OEM providers in the far east who want nothing to do with us (and honestly, provide little of interest), everyone in this world is a small operation.
GMK is a company that produce thousands of custom keyboards. A thousand set of keycaps is a really small job to them.
Don't know where you're getting that information from
Post by: kacase on Thu, 21 May 2015, 01:31:16
I think many of you are overestimating how large of an operation GMK is. I thought I read somewhere that they are total less than 15 people. Short of the OEM providers in the far east who want nothing to do with us (and honestly, provide little of interest), everyone in this world is a small operation.
GMK is a company that produce thousands of custom keyboards. A thousand set of keycaps is a really small job to them.
Don't know where you're getting that information from
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With a team of 45 employees we are a well-functioning, medium-sized company with high efficiency.The hierarchies are flat and the short communication channels contribute to a good working atmosphere. Moreover, our clients appreciate GMK's reliability and short reaction times.Taken from GMKs Website. They do however deal with other products (microelectronics) as well.
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 21 May 2015, 02:24:05
I think many of you are overestimating how large of an operation GMK is. I thought I read somewhere that they are total less than 15 people. Short of the OEM providers in the far east who want nothing to do with us (and honestly, provide little of interest), everyone in this world is a small operation.
GMK is a company that produce thousands of custom keyboards. A thousand set of keycaps is a really small job to them.
Don't know where you're getting that information fromQuoteWith a team of 45 employees we are a well-functioning, medium-sized company with high efficiency.The hierarchies are flat and the short communication channels contribute to a good working atmosphere. Moreover, our clients appreciate GMK's reliability and short reaction times.Taken from GMKs Website. They do however deal with other products (microelectronics) as well.
Yeah I'm thinking that they would have not that many people working on the machine that spits out cherry mx keycaps
Post by: greath on Tue, 26 May 2015, 08:13:23
Any news on anything about the group buy? ;D
Post by: plegnic on Tue, 26 May 2015, 11:21:31
I keep looking at pictures of this set in anticipation. Can't wait!
Any news on anything about the group buy? ;D
Last I heard, MassDrop was planning to post an update on 5/28. I imaging it will be "in production - shipment not yet received from vendor" or something to that effect. From this side of things, it's just whatever is in this thread.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 26 May 2015, 19:34:47
I keep looking at pictures of this set in anticipation. Can't wait!
Any news on anything about the group buy? ;D
Last I heard, MassDrop was planning to post an update on 5/28. I imaging it will be "in production - shipment not yet received from vendor" or something to that effect. From this side of things, it's just whatever is in this thread.
I wouldn't bother with massdrops updates, I'd ask Intelli as he is the one running the show - massdrop is really just there because Intelli lacks the infrastructure and time to ship 1000+ orders
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 27 May 2015, 07:02:12
I keep looking at pictures of this set in anticipation. Can't wait!
Any news on anything about the group buy? ;D
Last I heard, MassDrop was planning to post an update on 5/28. I imaging it will be "in production - shipment not yet received from vendor" or something to that effect. From this side of things, it's just whatever is in this thread.
I wouldn't bother with massdrops updates, I'd ask Intelli as he is the one running the show - massdrop is really just there because Intelli lacks the infrastructure and time to ship 1000+ orders
I think massdrops involvement goes a little deeper than that. :))
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 27 May 2015, 23:42:20
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 28 May 2015, 01:17:27
I'll shoot an email to GMK right now and see where they're at.
:D
Post by: plegnic on Thu, 28 May 2015, 13:56:37
Quote
We spoke with GMK earlier today and they said this wholesale order will be ready for shipment by July 10th from their facility in Germany.
Once the group’s order is ready, GMK will send the bulk shipment to our warehouse where we’ll break it up into individual orders and ship them off to you as soon as possible.
Our warehouse is prepared to get your package shipped out the moment it arrives. Thanks for your patience and expect an update from us by the end of the day Pacific Time on 6/25.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Thu, 28 May 2015, 13:59:53
But hurray for an official date of when this should be arriving :)
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 28 May 2015, 14:08:28
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 28 May 2015, 14:13:20
If I remember correctly, isn't GMK sorting the sets before they send them so all MD has to do is ship the orders?
Yes.
I got an email back from GMK saying basically the same thing as the Massdrop email today. They are just waiting to receive the custom plastics and will bust out the order pretty fast after the material arrives. Should be shipping everything to Massdrop in 5-6 weeks.
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 29 May 2015, 02:40:35
They are just waiting to receive the custom plastics and will bust out the order pretty fast after the material arrives. Should be shipping everything to Massdrop in 5-6 weeks.
When these finally ship out wait for the full on porno shots with these installed 8) .
Geekhack shall be banned in every country by extremist regimes because no one should be allowed to do this, to their innocent keyboards :o .
Post by: Rainbow_ on Sun, 31 May 2015, 12:52:47
Post by: drewba on Mon, 01 June 2015, 15:10:11
They are just waiting to receive the custom plastics and will bust out the order pretty fast after the material arrives. Should be shipping everything to Massdrop in 5-6 weeks.
When these finally ship out wait for the full on porno shots with these installed 8) .
Geekhack shall be banned in every country by extremist regimes because no one should be allowed to do this, to their innocent keyboards :o .
Bring on the filth
Post by: Danboard on Sat, 13 June 2015, 17:43:53
Post by: Click This on Thu, 18 June 2015, 01:29:40
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 18 June 2015, 01:41:09
Anybody here looking to sell their order?
Maybe look at the post right above you
Post by: Click This on Thu, 18 June 2015, 02:30:14
Anybody here looking to sell their order?
Maybe look at the post right above you
I've already contacted everybody on the last page to no avail. I wouldn't be posting here otherwise!
Post by: quochung1989 on Thu, 18 June 2015, 02:38:41
If you sure get it, I 'll send message to confirm this.
Please pm'ed me to talk more.
Post by: Click This on Thu, 18 June 2015, 02:57:33
I had. But I ordered via intelli78.
If you sure get it, I 'll send message to confirm this.
Please pm'ed me to talk more.
I'll drop you a PM.
Post by: squishygnomes on Sun, 21 June 2015, 14:27:57
Gone
Post by: ATXTider on Sun, 21 June 2015, 14:32:01
Anyone want to pick up my order?
PM'd
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 21 June 2015, 15:16:05
Anyone want to pick up my order?
PM'd
That was quick :p
Post by: ATXTider on Sun, 21 June 2015, 15:22:44
Anyone want to pick up my order?
PM'd
That was quick :p
I got leet hax. :D
Post by: radio_killah on Sun, 21 June 2015, 15:31:54
Post by: user 18 on Sun, 21 June 2015, 15:51:40
So what another 2 months past the original ship date until we see this?
Last I heard, ship date was July 10, which is less than a month's delay from original ship date. The delay appears to be due to taking extra time to ensure proper custom colours, both on Intelli's part and on the part of GMK's supplier.
Post by: radio_killah on Sun, 21 June 2015, 16:22:03
Thanks for the infoSo what another 2 months past the original ship date until we see this?
Last I heard, ship date was July 10, which is less than a month's delay from original ship date. The delay appears to be due to taking extra time to ensure proper custom colours, both on Intelli's part and on the part of GMK's supplier.
Post by: bueller on Thu, 25 June 2015, 22:33:18
We spoke with GMK earlier today and they informed us of an unexpected delay from one of their material suppliers. The last remaining shipment of the material needed for our production order to complete will arrive by end of next week. Unfortunately, this mean the order will only be ready for us to pick up from GMK's German facility by July 21.
Our freight partner in Germany is on standby, and they will be ready to pick up the shipment from GMK within moment notice. Our warehouse staff have also all been informed of the urgent nature of everyone's orders in this drop. Needless to say, we are all prepared to get these out to everyone as soon as the production is completed.
We understand this delay is undesirable and we sincerely apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused. Knowing what we do, we think the keycap set is definitely worth the wait and up to the communities lofty expectations, but if you prefer not to wait and would like to cancel the order instead please submit a ticket via our Support page (https://www.massdrop.com/support), and we will take care of your request right away.
Thanks for your patience and expect an update from us by the end of the day Pacific Time on 7/22.
Just ****ing ONCE I'd like a GB to ship on time.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Fri, 26 June 2015, 02:37:24
Just ****ing ONCE I'd like a GB to ship on time.
The dream
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 26 June 2015, 03:47:51
Just ****ing ONCE I'd like a GB to ship on time.
The dream
Yes, the eternal Geekhack nightmare but it shall end soon.
Like a Virgin waiting for her very first time, like a virgin touched for the very first time, Like a virgin, When your heart beats, Next to mine......... ;D .
Post by: mashby on Fri, 26 June 2015, 09:25:21
Just ****ing ONCE I'd like a GB to ship on time.
If you find this maddening, then don't ever go into business for yourself. :))
Post by: bueller on Fri, 26 June 2015, 09:49:31
Just ****ing ONCE I'd like a GB to ship on time.
If you find this maddening, then don't ever go into business for yourself. :))
Haha used to be a photographer, learnt very quickly that being in business for myself wasn't for me :P
Post by: exitfire401 on Fri, 26 June 2015, 09:57:32
From MD:
We spoke with GMK earlier today and they informed us of an unexpected delay from one of their material suppliers. The last remaining shipment of the material needed for our production order to complete will arrive by end of next week. Unfortunately, this mean the order will only be ready for us to pick up from GMK's German facility by July 21.
Our freight partner in Germany is on standby, and they will be ready to pick up the shipment from GMK within moment notice. Our warehouse staff have also all been informed of the urgent nature of everyone's orders in this drop. Needless to say, we are all prepared to get these out to everyone as soon as the production is completed.
We understand this delay is undesirable and we sincerely apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused. Knowing what we do, we think the keycap set is definitely worth the wait and up to the communities lofty expectations, but if you prefer not to wait and would like to cancel the order instead please submit a ticket via our Support page (https://www.massdrop.com/support), and we will take care of your request right away.
Thanks for your patience and expect an update from us by the end of the day Pacific Time on 7/22.
Just ****ing ONCE I'd like a GB to ship on time.
Welp, this is a legit manufacturer issue. Not anything anybody can really do about it.
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 02 July 2015, 18:05:55
Post by: filphil on Thu, 02 July 2015, 18:15:40
I have 1 spare order for sale, $110 shipped to conus, pp gift. I will ship it directly to you when it arrives. First to PM gets it.
Sent you a PM intelli
Post by: sorijealut on Tue, 07 July 2015, 23:31:40
Thanks ;D
Post by: romevi on Thu, 16 July 2015, 12:22:17
Hello - was just wondering if anyone had any sets they didn't need, I'd love to purchase it off them!
Thanks ;D
Ditto for me. I doubt there are any left in the wild, but it doesn't hurt to ask!
Post by: Sed8op8 on Thu, 16 July 2015, 13:15:17
goddammit !!!!!! Haha if someone has a set I would love to buy it !!!!!I have 1 spare order for sale, $110 shipped to conus, pp gift. I will ship it directly to you when it arrives. First to PM gets it.SOLD
Post by: romevi on Thu, 16 July 2015, 13:22:20
Get in line!goddammit !!!!!! Haha if someone has a set I would love to buy it !!!!!I have 1 spare order for sale, $110 shipped to conus, pp gift. I will ship it directly to you when it arrives. First to PM gets it.SOLD
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 20 July 2015, 14:28:09
Post by: inanis on Mon, 20 July 2015, 14:30:29
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 20 July 2015, 14:31:32
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 20 July 2015, 14:35:46
I am going to be honest, that looks nothing like I expected it to. I wanted it to look like the header image on that article, but it looks very saturated...
Please remember this is a potato pic... the color has been translated from real life to a terrible cell phone camera and then back to your uncalibrated monitor... I have the actual color chip in front of me, it's definitely more saturated than the faded authentic set, but far less than shown in the potato pic. It's also got a lot more green in it than the GMK photo shows. Don't fret :thumb:
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 20 July 2015, 14:36:49
Okay, I know that this was said about when you posted the color chip, but I just worry as I am excited for this, and I don't want to be disappointed.I am going to be honest, that looks nothing like I expected it to. I wanted it to look like the header image on that article, but it looks very saturated...
Please remember this is a potato pic... the color has been translated from real life to a terrible cell phone camera and then back to your uncalibrated monitor... I have the actual color chip in front of me, it's definitely more saturated than the faded authentic set, but far less than shown in the potato pic. Don't fret :thumb:
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 20 July 2015, 14:41:00
https://www.keychatter.com/2015/07/20/exclusive-first-look-at-gmk-triumph-adler/ :thumb:
I'm actually a little afraid to get this set... my wife may actually steal my keyboard :-X
Totally should have ordered two :))
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 20 July 2015, 14:47:11
Maybe I won't sell my extra sets after all...
^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
This looks so goooooood...
^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
Post by: uJalled on Mon, 20 July 2015, 14:51:13
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Mon, 20 July 2015, 14:56:56
Post by: Blackhawk on Mon, 20 July 2015, 15:00:15
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Mon, 20 July 2015, 15:04:52
https://www.keychatter.com/2015/07/20/exclusive-first-look-at-gmk-triumph-adler/ :thumb:
hnggg these look so beautiful. Can't wait to get my set.
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 20 July 2015, 15:38:34
Okay, I know that this was said about when you posted the color chip, but I just worry as I am excited for this, and I don't want to be disappointed.
Definitely, I don't want you to be disappointed either!!
Here is some really important info! I think you, and actually everyone, should read this.
I know I'm a broken record on this issue, but everyone MUST remember that colors you are seeing here are only a very, very rough approximation of real life!
Several times in this GB I have questioned whether I should stop posting pics altogether, since it's actually meaningless to talk about colors when we're all on different monitors. Worse than meaningless actually, because it makes people develop incorrect expectations.
Let's do a quick experiment to prove what I am saying: Below is a pic. I just took it using my Note 4 camera. The pic is me holding the real color chip next to my MacBook's screen showing a scan of the same color chip. They don't look the same AT ALL, do they? And furthermore, the real color chip doesn't actually look like either of the representations in this photo. And how this pic looks on my phone is different than how it looks on my MacBook, which is again different from how it probably looks on YOUR monitor. And all these colors look different than what's in GMK's photo, too, even though in real life they are all the same.
(http://i.imgur.com/HAxuTHs.jpg)
Moral of the story - digital representations of color are extremely misleading. Get hyped about the sets coming off the production line, imagine how juicy they are going to be, but don't get particularly angry or attached re: any specific color you see on your screen. I spent over $800 buying color chips to find the best colors I possibly could - I think you guys will be happy with the final results IRL.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Mon, 20 July 2015, 15:38:50
Just wish I would have bought two sets as I planned, just didn't have the cash :(
Post by: filphil on Mon, 20 July 2015, 15:40:52
Okay, I know that this was said about when you posted the color chip, but I just worry as I am excited for this, and I don't want to be disappointed.
Definitely, I don't want you to be disappointed either!!
Here is some really important info! I think you, and actually everyone, should read this.
I know I'm a broken record on this issue, but everyone MUST remember that colors you are seeing here are only a very, very rough approximation of real life!
Several times in this GB I have questioned whether I should stop posting pics altogether, since it's actually meaningless to talk about colors when we're all on different monitors. Worse than meaningless actually, because it makes people develop incorrect expectations.
Let's do a quick experiment to prove what I am saying: Below is a pic. I just took it using my Note 4 camera. The pic is me holding the real color chip next to my MacBook's screen showing a scan of the same color chip. They don't look the same AT ALL, do they? And furthermore, the real color chip doesn't actually look like either of the representations in this photo. And how this pic looks on my phone is different than how it looks on my MacBook, which is again different from how it probably looks on YOUR monitor. And all these colors look different than what's in GMK's photo, too, even though in real life they are all the same.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HAxuTHs.jpg)
Moral of the story - digital representations of color are extremely misleading. Get hyped about the sets coming off the production line, imagine how juicy they are going to be, but don't get particularly angry or attached re: any specific color you see on your screen. I spent over $800 buying color chips to find the best colors I possibly could - I think you guys will be happy with the final results IRL.
intelliception
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 20 July 2015, 15:46:09
^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
Maybe I won't sell my extra sets after all...
^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
This looks so goooooood...
^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
You might be selling one to me.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 20 July 2015, 15:51:51
I know I'm a broken record on this issue, but everyone MUST remember that colors you are seeing here are only a very, very rough approximation of real life!
Thank you for your devotion to spreading this knowledge. Personally, even though I know it to be true, I sometimes forget that it's the case. It's easy to get caught up and freak out about the colors of something you've bought sight-unseen. But this is a good reality check. :thumb:
^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
Maybe I won't sell my extra sets after all...
^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
This looks so goooooood...
^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
You might be selling one to me.
Ahh, yes, of course. :-* So maybe I won't sell the other one. :))
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 20 July 2015, 16:10:56
Okay, I can see the difference.Thank you!Okay, I know that this was said about when you posted the color chip, but I just worry as I am excited for this, and I don't want to be disappointed.
Definitely, I don't want you to be disappointed either!!
Here is some really important info! I think you, and actually everyone, should read this.
I know I'm a broken record on this issue, but everyone MUST remember that colors you are seeing here are only a very, very rough approximation of real life!
Several times in this GB I have questioned whether I should stop posting pics altogether, since it's actually meaningless to talk about colors when we're all on different monitors. Worse than meaningless actually, because it makes people develop incorrect expectations.
Let's do a quick experiment to prove what I am saying: Below is a pic. I just took it using my Note 4 camera. The pic is me holding the real color chip next to my MacBook's screen showing a scan of the same color chip. They don't look the same AT ALL, do they? And furthermore, the real color chip doesn't actually look like either of the representations in this photo. And how this pic looks on my phone is different than how it looks on my MacBook, which is again different from how it probably looks on YOUR monitor. And all these colors look different than what's in GMK's photo, too, even though in real life they are all the same.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HAxuTHs.jpg)
Moral of the story - digital representations of color are extremely misleading. Get hyped about the sets coming off the production line, imagine how juicy they are going to be, but don't get particularly angry or attached re: any specific color you see on your screen. I spent over $800 buying color chips to find the best colors I possibly could - I think you guys will be happy with the final results IRL.
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 20 July 2015, 16:12:11
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 20 July 2015, 16:18:11
this is probably a dumb question, and has probably been answered somewhere in this thread, but... what are the actual GMK codes for this set?
Only the modifier legends use a stock GMK color (2M). The other colors are all Pantone colors.
(http://i.imgur.com/h4xs1Jq.jpg)
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 20 July 2015, 16:25:52
this is probably a dumb question, and has probably been answered somewhere in this thread, but... what are the actual GMK codes for this set?
Only the modifier legends use a stock GMK color (2M). The other colors are all Pantone colors.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h4xs1Jq.jpg)
Thank you sir... a little gutted I missed this GB, but hey... next time.
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Mon, 20 July 2015, 16:48:49
Thank you sir... a little gutted I missed this GB, but hey... next time.I may be wrong, but if everything I read on this and on the IC threads are true, there won't be a "next time" for this set.
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 20 July 2015, 16:52:09
Thank you sir... a little gutted I missed this GB, but hey... next time.I may be wrong, but if everything I read on this and on the IC threads are true, there won't be a "next time" for this set.
:'( Thanks! Thanks for popping my optimistic bubble! :'(
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 20 July 2015, 16:59:42
Post by: wlhlm on Mon, 20 July 2015, 17:02:10
This was one of the most successful keyset group buys ever run, I do believe. More than 1000 sets out there in the world, once everything is said and done. I'm sure people's extra sets will turn up in the classifieds, not everyone will want this set forever. If you watch and wait long enough, I'm sure you will be rewarded.Yeah, there was a big vendor order. I'm sure you'll be able to get a set after the fact.
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 20 July 2015, 17:07:42
This was one of the most successful keyset group buys ever run, I do believe. More than 1000 sets out there in the world, once everything is said and done. I'm sure people's extra sets will turn up in the classifieds, not everyone will want this set forever. If you watch and wait long enough, I'm sure you will be rewarded.Yeah, there was a big vendor order. I'm sure you'll be able to get a set after the fact.
Optimism +500
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Mon, 20 July 2015, 17:20:49
Post by: whentheclouds on Mon, 20 July 2015, 17:36:11
Yeah, there was a big vendor orderi thought the same thing but someone knowledgeable told me otherwise. apparently massdrop costs make it unfeasible to resell these sets at a higher vendor price that would still attract buyers
Post by: frostylove on Mon, 20 July 2015, 17:43:28
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 20 July 2015, 18:07:21
i thought the same thing but someone knowledgeable told me otherwise. apparently massdrop costs make it unfeasible to resell these sets at a higher vendor price that would still attract buyers
Not sure who told you that, but they are wrong, there was a vendor order for a couple hundred sets.
Post by: romevi on Mon, 20 July 2015, 18:12:00
Post by: simonyunhe on Mon, 20 July 2015, 18:37:40
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 20 July 2015, 18:59:09
https://www.keychatter.com/2015/07/20/exclusive-first-look-at-gmk-triumph-adler/ :thumb:
YaY! One of my most anticipated sets.
Post by: luckyryan333 on Mon, 20 July 2015, 21:01:18
hoping for the next GB on the missing TA R4 6 keys near the future by nice someone else like intelli78.
Post by: mylove1431 on Mon, 20 July 2015, 21:55:38
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 21 July 2015, 00:04:10
Or maybe the white pbt topre spacebar will match well enough.
Post by: CommonCurt on Tue, 21 July 2015, 00:09:08
so much excited! great job, intelli78 :thumb:
hoping for the next GB on the missing TA R4 6 keys near the future by nice someone else like intelli78.
If that happens It would be nice to also have a option to get some extra spacebars made since these are custom colors.
Post by: whentheclouds on Tue, 21 July 2015, 01:43:31
Not sure who told you that, but they are wrong, there was a vendor order for a couple hundred sets.in that case i definitely misremembered/misquoted him
Post by: zombimuncha on Tue, 21 July 2015, 02:38:40
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 22 July 2015, 16:55:42
Quote
Dear Aaron,
Good news! Just want to let you know that the order is completed and ready for pick-up. Massdrop´s forwarding company will pick it up tomorrow.
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 22 July 2015, 17:17:52
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Wed, 22 July 2015, 17:24:39
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 22 July 2015, 17:31:42
<3Show Image(http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/jimmy-fallon-elmo-happy-dance-saturday-night-live.gif)
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 22 July 2015, 17:48:22
Can't wait to see the color in person :)
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 22 July 2015, 17:51:49
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Wed, 22 July 2015, 17:59:26
QuoteDear Aaron,
Good news! Just want to let you know that the order is completed and ready for pick-up. Massdrop´s forwarding company will pick it up tomorrow.
Yeeeeeeetttttt.. Super pumped!!!!
Post by: ttzhou on Wed, 22 July 2015, 20:58:30
And now begins the hunt for a Cherry G80-3000 light gray keyboard for this set...
there's a site called computeruniverse.net or something (it's German). They might still sell beige cherry g80s. It ships from Germany though, so shipping might suck.
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 22 July 2015, 21:02:12
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 22 July 2015, 21:21:14
there's a site called computeruniverse.net or something (it's German). They might still sell beige cherry g80s. It ships from Germany though, so shipping might suck.Thank you very much! Just bought one. :D
Post by: pr1me on Thu, 23 July 2015, 12:42:02
Post by: ATXTider on Thu, 23 July 2015, 13:01:53
Any chance of someone running a grey modifier with blue legend GB to make this an Olivetti lookalike XD?no
Post by: ttzhou on Thu, 23 July 2015, 13:09:25
Any chance of someone running a grey modifier with blue legend GB to make this an Olivetti lookalike XD?
it'd probably cost as much as just buying olivetti...
Post by: billnye on Thu, 23 July 2015, 13:23:45
You know it's from GMK when they use the weird apostrophe ^-^QuoteDear Aaron,
Good news! Just want to let you know that the order is completed and ready for pick-up. Massdrop´s forwarding company will pick it up tomorrow.
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 23 July 2015, 19:16:29
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 23 July 2015, 19:39:51
How much do vendors usually mark up keycap sets? I hope I don't pay a lot more after the fact.Depends, as far as mod packs go, it seems to be 5-10$
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 23 July 2015, 19:50:47
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 23 July 2015, 21:28:43
How much do vendors usually mark up keycap sets? I hope I don't pay a lot more after the fact.Depends, as far as mod packs go, it seems to be 5-10$
I wouldn't be surprised if they sold these for $150
Post by: njbair on Thu, 23 July 2015, 21:40:49
I already got my WKL 3000 case ;) and if anyone needs Leeku PCBs, I have some in stock ;)
I wish I would have known this back when I ordered one from kin25 through the TX1800 GB. Still waiting...
Post by: KatzenKinder on Fri, 24 July 2015, 01:09:25
QuoteDear Aaron,
Good news! Just want to let you know that the order is completed and ready for pick-up. Massdrop´s forwarding company will pick it up tomorrow.
HYPE! Intelli your babby is being borned~
Post by: madhias on Fri, 24 July 2015, 02:10:48
I already got my WKL 3000 case ;) and if anyone needs Leeku PCBs, I have some in stock ;)
I wish I would have known this back when I ordered one from kin25 through the TX1800 GB. Still waiting...
Now that's some good news! I also ordered one with the TX1800 order, but would need another one.
QuoteDear Aaron,
Good news! Just want to let you know that the order is completed and ready for pick-up. Massdrop´s forwarding company will pick it up tomorrow.
Oh yes, I am really happy I got a set later!
Post by: wlhlm on Sat, 25 July 2015, 12:27:55
I'm planning on putting GMK TA on a G80-3000. The missing final touch is a LED overlay in a matching color. I'm trying to create an overlay in TA teal. I have the drawings, but don't know how to produce them. Maybe someone has some suggestions/is interested in such an overlay (at least I've seen a couple of you that also want to put TA on a 3000 case).
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=73872.0
Thanks! :thumb:
Post by: intelli78 on Sun, 26 July 2015, 20:16:11
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Sun, 26 July 2015, 20:17:56
HnnggggggShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Izwnv9m.png)
Oh god what does this mean???????????? :p :p :p
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sun, 26 July 2015, 20:21:07
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 26 July 2015, 20:57:23
HnnggggggShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Izwnv9m.png)
whatsa happpening mr intelli??
Post by: ShardZer0 on Sun, 26 July 2015, 21:03:51
HnnggggggShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Izwnv9m.png)
pics or it didn't happen :))
Post by: Jokrik on Sun, 26 July 2015, 21:13:51
HnnggggggShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Izwnv9m.png)
I'm guessing he has received the set and very pleased with it...
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sun, 26 July 2015, 21:19:15
Or at least, he should be :P
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 26 July 2015, 21:25:43
He's probably taking pictures right now.
Or at least, he should be :P
I think the keyboard community will have one big collective "release" when we see the first decent photos
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Sun, 26 July 2015, 21:32:03
He's probably taking pictures right now.
Or at least, he should be :P
I think the keyboard community will have one big collective "release" when we see the first decent photos
Just about. I'm so pumped for mine!!!!!!!! The anticipation for this and for my first binge is killing me.
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 26 July 2015, 21:33:12
He's probably taking pictures right now.
Or at least, he should be :P
I think the keyboard community will have one big collective "release" when we see the first decent photos
Just about. I'm so pumped for mine!!!!!!!! The anticipation for this and for my first binge is killing me.
I got in on the binge too! Did you get a blue one to match TA?
Post by: Den441 on Sun, 26 July 2015, 22:10:14
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 26 July 2015, 22:12:29
So excited. I have a Peacock G81 case I have prepared for these caps. I'll probably make a teal wrist rest for it too.
Nice. These will look sick with a Peacock case :thumb:
Post by: lolpes on Mon, 27 July 2015, 04:10:53
So excited. I have a Peacock G81 case I have prepared for these caps. I'll probably make a teal wrist rest for it too.
Nice. These will look sick with a Peacock case :thumb:
well after seeing this, if anyone wants a peacok case for their set, someone is selling theirs on ebay ;) the sale didn't go trough so he still has it, contact him the price of the full board was close to 29 euros ;)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Peacock-AT-keyboard-5-pin-Din-suite-for-486-early-Pentium-/201395012957?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Mon, 27 July 2015, 07:38:13
He's probably taking pictures right now.
Or at least, he should be :P
I think the keyboard community will have one big collective "release" when we see the first decent photos
Just about. I'm so pumped for mine!!!!!!!! The anticipation for this and for my first binge is killing me.
I got in on the binge too! Did you get a blue one to match TA?
I did get a blue one. But it was part of the after dark series so it didn't match TA. I ended up trading it for a terracotta slo-fi and I think the contrast of the cyan/teal and orange will look perfect :D hbu?
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 27 July 2015, 09:42:14
He's probably taking pictures right now.
Or at least, he should be :P
I think the keyboard community will have one big collective "release" when we see the first decent photos
Just about. I'm so pumped for mine!!!!!!!! The anticipation for this and for my first binge is killing me.
I got in on the binge too! Did you get a blue one to match TA?
I did get a blue one. But it was part of the after dark series so it didn't match TA. I ended up trading it for a terracotta slo-fi and I think the contrast of the cyan/teal and orange will look perfect :D hbu?
Ghost pee slo-fi :D
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Mon, 27 July 2015, 09:57:11
He's probably taking pictures right now.
Or at least, he should be :P
I think the keyboard community will have one big collective "release" when we see the first decent photos
Just about. I'm so pumped for mine!!!!!!!! The anticipation for this and for my first binge is killing me.
I got in on the binge too! Did you get a blue one to match TA?
I did get a blue one. But it was part of the after dark series so it didn't match TA. I ended up trading it for a terracotta slo-fi and I think the contrast of the cyan/teal and orange will look perfect :D hbu?
Ghost pee slo-fi :D
Ahhh so jealous!!! That is my 2nd favorite series after Midnight on the Beach. Slo-fi's are just so freaking cool though.
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 27 July 2015, 09:59:44
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Mon, 27 July 2015, 10:00:55
Thanks man! I've been blessed when it comes to artisans lately - cosmos sale and now this :)
Same! It's pretty great a pretty great feeling.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 27 July 2015, 10:01:46
How much do vendors usually mark up keycap sets? I hope I don't pay a lot more after the fact.Depends, as far as mod packs go, it seems to be 5-10$
I went to a meetup where obra from keyboard.io talked about sourcing custom keycaps. He really doesn't like SP because of the prices. I think he said a whole 104 set costs SP around $3-10. Think the markup is a bit more than $5-10 for all the caps we're buying.
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 27 July 2015, 10:02:12
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 27 July 2015, 10:25:00
How much do vendors usually mark up keycap sets? I hope I don't pay a lot more after the fact.Depends, as far as mod packs go, it seems to be 5-10$
I went to a meetup where obra from keyboard.io talked about sourcing custom keycaps. He really doesn't like SP because of the prices. I think he said a whole 104 set costs SP around $3-10. Think the markup is a bit more than $5-10 for all the caps we're buying.
I think they meant how much would a vendor, such as TechKeys or ZealPC, mark up the set from the GB price.
For a full set like this, I would expect $130-150 to be the price from a vendor sale.
Post by: njbair on Mon, 27 July 2015, 14:43:57
How much do vendors usually mark up keycap sets? I hope I don't pay a lot more after the fact.Depends, as far as mod packs go, it seems to be 5-10$
I went to a meetup where obra from keyboard.io talked about sourcing custom keycaps. He really doesn't like SP because of the prices. I think he said a whole 104 set costs SP around $3-10. Think the markup is a bit more than $5-10 for all the caps we're buying.
I think they meant how much would a vendor, such as TechKeys or ZealPC, mark up the set from the GB price.
For a full set like this, I would expect $130-150 to be the price from a vendor sale.
Kind of depends. Do we have any idea how many sets were purchased by vendors with intent to resell? If there are enough vendors trying to capitalize on this they may end up flooding the market a bit, unless they are smart and cahoot with each other.
Post by: trees on Mon, 27 July 2015, 14:48:18
I think they meant how much would a vendor, such as TechKeys or ZealPC, mark up the set from the GB price.
For a full set like this, I would expect $130-150 to be the price from a vendor sale.
I hope a vendor scored some to sell, this set is super nice and i missed out on the original GB>
Post by: romevi on Mon, 27 July 2015, 14:58:10
I think they meant how much would a vendor, such as TechKeys or ZealPC, mark up the set from the GB price.
For a full set like this, I would expect $130-150 to be the price from a vendor sale.
I hope a vendor scored some to sell, this set is super nice and i missed out on the original GB>
Man, me too. I see a set on TaoBao, but I'm weary of ordering from there.
Post by: trees on Mon, 27 July 2015, 15:28:53
Man, me too. I see a set on TaoBao, but I'm weary of ordering from there.
Same, but is TechKeys or similar grab it, ill be all over a set.
Post by: Air tree on Mon, 27 July 2015, 15:51:24
Taobao I thought was regarded pretty well?I think they meant how much would a vendor, such as TechKeys or ZealPC, mark up the set from the GB price.
For a full set like this, I would expect $130-150 to be the price from a vendor sale.
I hope a vendor scored some to sell, this set is super nice and i missed out on the original GB>
Man, me too. I see a set on TaoBao, but I'm weary of ordering from there.
Post by: romevi on Mon, 27 July 2015, 15:52:46
Taobao I thought was regarded pretty well?I think they meant how much would a vendor, such as TechKeys or ZealPC, mark up the set from the GB price.
For a full set like this, I would expect $130-150 to be the price from a vendor sale.
I hope a vendor scored some to sell, this set is super nice and i missed out on the original GB>
Man, me too. I see a set on TaoBao, but I'm weary of ordering from there.
Yeah, but I would rather get it directly from a US seller than pay proxy fees. That was my thinking, anyway.
Post by: Pieminister on Mon, 27 July 2015, 16:35:22
(http://i.imgur.com/NfZ7oH7.png)
Post by: zombimuncha on Tue, 28 July 2015, 15:17:52
If anyone is getting this set for a TKL or 60% keyboard and doesn't care about the numpad set, I am intereted in buying it from you [UK].Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NfZ7oH7.png)
PM'd
Post by: calmfries on Wed, 29 July 2015, 10:52:48
Am a happy kid now :p
Post by: romevi on Wed, 29 July 2015, 10:55:41
As if...
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:21:19
Bumpin' my interest to see if anyone is willing to part with a set!
As if...
There probably will be some after they ship. If they look as blue as the pictures and not close to the original and awesome faded teal of the original set, I'll be selling mine.
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:24:16
Bumpin' my interest to see if anyone is willing to part with a set!
As if...
There probably will be some after they ship. If they look as blue as the pictures and not close to the original and awesome faded teal of the original set, I'll be selling mine.
Dat raindrop clone :))
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:41:04
Bumpin' my interest to see if anyone is willing to part with a set!
As if...
There probably will be some after they ship. If they look as blue as the pictures and not close to the original and awesome faded teal of the original set, I'll be selling mine.
Don't forget the profile issues some people may discover.
Post by: calmfries on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:09:58
Calibrate your monitor for your own good. Well, just saying ;DBumpin' my interest to see if anyone is willing to part with a set!
As if...
There probably will be some after they ship. If they look as blue as the pictures and not close to the original and awesome faded teal of the original set, I'll be selling mine.
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:13:53
MoreDon't forget the profile issues some people may discover.Bumpin' my interest to see if anyone is willing to part with a set!
As if...
There probably will be some after they ship. If they look as blue as the pictures and not close to the original and awesome faded teal of the original set, I'll be selling mine.
That may drive me to ditch my set as well.
Post by: ATXTider on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:20:47
Bumpin' my interest to see if anyone is willing to part with a set!
As if...
There probably will be some after they ship. If they look as blue as the pictures and not close to the original and awesome faded teal of the original set, I'll be selling mine.
Calibrate your monitor for your own good. Well, just saying ;D
Also, there are lots of potato cameras and photogs out there (I am for sure a potato photog)
Post by: calmfries on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:28:29
True, including me. The white balance can affect the color a lot. Eek..Bumpin' my interest to see if anyone is willing to part with a set!
As if...
There probably will be some after they ship. If they look as blue as the pictures and not close to the original and awesome faded teal of the original set, I'll be selling mine.
Calibrate your monitor for your own good. Well, just saying ;D
Also, there are lots of potato cameras and photogs out there (I am for sure a potato photog)
Post by: romevi on Wed, 29 July 2015, 12:32:29
Post by: madhias on Wed, 29 July 2015, 14:13:12
True, including me. The white balance can affect the color a lot. Eek..Bumpin' my interest to see if anyone is willing to part with a set!
As if...
There probably will be some after they ship. If they look as blue as the pictures and not close to the original and awesome faded teal of the original set, I'll be selling mine.
Calibrate your monitor for your own good. Well, just saying ;D
Also, there are lots of potato cameras and photogs out there (I am for sure a potato photog)
Calibrating the monitor does not help if the sample pictures white balance is completely wrong! Especially the alphas are just pure white, and they should be light grey, as seen in the picture on the right side! But I do have a feeling, that the P315 is the closest color in the Pantone plastic chips range, but is more intense and stronger than an original faded TA set. P315 can be very bluish, but can also be much more yellowish - and that's what we would need when it comes to comparing to the TA set. You can't say anything now and we really have to see it in our hands!
Post by: calmfries on Wed, 29 July 2015, 14:15:12
True.. It's on it's way from Germany. We will see :)True, including me. The white balance can affect the color a lot. Eek..Bumpin' my interest to see if anyone is willing to part with a set!
As if...
There probably will be some after they ship. If they look as blue as the pictures and not close to the original and awesome faded teal of the original set, I'll be selling mine.
Calibrate your monitor for your own good. Well, just saying ;D
Also, there are lots of potato cameras and photogs out there (I am for sure a potato photog)
Calibrating the monitor does not help if the sample pictures white balance is completely wrong! Especially the alphas are just pure white, and they should be light grey, as seen in the picture on the right side! But I do have a feeling, that the P315 is the closest color in the Pantone plastic chips range, but is more intense and stronger than an original faded TA set. P315 can be very bluish, but can also be much more yellowish - and that's what we would need when it comes to comparing to the TA set. You can't say anything now and we really have to see it in our hands!
Post by: strict on Wed, 29 July 2015, 14:25:37
Don't forget the profile issues some people may discover.
I expect this will be the cause of at least a few sets to go up for sale pretty immediately.
Post by: archer on Wed, 29 July 2015, 14:33:49
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 29 July 2015, 14:35:22
I haven't been keeping up with this thread... what are these "profile issues"?
Nothing to worry about. Just something I brought up to intelli long ago about mismatched profiles on the bottom row. But we have been assured it's not an issue.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 29 July 2015, 14:38:28
I haven't been keeping up with this thread... what are these "profile issues"?
Nothing to worry about. Just something I brought up to intelli long ago about mismatched profiles on the bottom row. But we have been assured it's not an issue.
Remember it is actually a 'feature' it will make it 'better' or something like that.
Edit found it
It's just honestly not going to happen like that. People are buying this set for its quirks. If anybody complains, we just explain it's a feature, not a defect, and is completely intentional. Problem solved. Most buyers won't even notice. People want this set because it looks good and it has a lot of interesting stuff surrounding it. Nobody is buying it for an R4 profile.
Post by: archer on Wed, 29 July 2015, 14:44:54
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 29 July 2015, 15:10:31
Bumpin' my interest to see if anyone is willing to part with a set!
As if...
There probably will be some after they ship. If they look as blue as the pictures and not close to the original and awesome faded teal of the original set, I'll be selling mine.
Don't forget the profile issues some people may discover.
Grasping at straws :p
Post by: romevi on Wed, 29 July 2015, 15:14:49
Bumpin' my interest to see if anyone is willing to part with a set!
As if...
There probably will be some after they ship. If they look as blue as the pictures and not close to the original and awesome faded teal of the original set, I'll be selling mine.
Don't forget the profile issues some people may discover.
Grasping at straws :p
Straws can break a camel's back...
:-X
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 29 July 2015, 15:17:00
Bumpin' my interest to see if anyone is willing to part with a set!
As if...
There probably will be some after they ship. If they look as blue as the pictures and not close to the original and awesome faded teal of the original set, I'll be selling mine.
Don't forget the profile issues some people may discover.
Grasping at straws :p
Straws can break a camel's back...
:-X
More discrimination against dromedaries!
Post by: njbair on Wed, 29 July 2015, 16:02:01
I haven't been keeping up with this thread... what are these "profile issues"?
Nothing to worry about. Just something I brought up to intelli long ago about mismatched profiles on the bottom row. But we have been assured it's not an issue.
/s
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 29 July 2015, 18:37:36
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 29 July 2015, 20:55:05
About the profiles -
I've already posted about this a few times, but am happy to go over it again.
Here are the facts-
The bottom row arrow keys and bottom row numpad keys (six keys total) are in R5 (A) profile, which is slightly taller than the 1.25x mods and spacebar which are R4 (B) profile. Here's a GIF I made showing a common B-profile bottom row vs. a mixed row like the TA set. Note the slightly taller bottom-row arrow keys.
(http://i.imgur.com/dx38TMj.gif)
This was an intentional decision, so the set would have a uniform R5 (A) profile bottom row when used on a winkeyless keyboard with 1.5x mods (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3a/c2/5b/3ac25bdb2e20a93e5af7c42a10c2bfe8.jpg), like the OG set. I could've added six alternate B-profile keys to allow a uniform B-profile as well, but decided not to, to keep the cost as low as possible.
So the tradeoff is that the set has an all-uniform bottom-row height on winkeyless boards (which are less common) but a mixed height on winkey boards (more common). It is certainly true that the most utilitarian choice would have been to make everything B, but I really wanted to build in the option to use the set in the authentic A-profile form without increasing the cost, and this was the best compromise available.
There are a few users who really dislike this aspect of the set and feel that it ruins the entire thing. Obviously I don't agree, but feel free to use the .GIF above to make up your own mind. If you feel it is a dealbreaker for you then I am sure you have time to sell your order and change the shipping address even before Massdrop sends out the packages.
As for unusual cases like Lightsaver and FC660M, this is just not the right keyset for those boards.
About the colors -
Please don't fret about the ****ty GMK pic, it's teal not blue, and not just any teal, the very best I could find that captures that unique TA feel. All will be revealed soon enough when we all receive the sets. In the meantime I tried to take yet another pic for you guys to show the difference vs. a true blue, of course the usual disclaimers apply, everybody is going to see something a bit different on their own monitors, but it should illustrate the contrast.
(http://i.imgur.com/GQPqzKC.jpg)
I guess it's inevitable that there will be someone who finds it too vibrant, or too green, or too blue, or whatever, due to the mental image they have been forming for months based on some particular photo on some particular monitor. But I can tell you that I spent a lot of time working on the problem, poring over dozens of color chips in all kinds of lighting conditions. In the end this was the one I always came back to, it's got DAT feel. I am very much looking forward to opening the box for the first time :thumb:
Post by: uJalled on Wed, 29 July 2015, 21:00:34
Post by: Air tree on Wed, 29 July 2015, 21:08:57
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 29 July 2015, 21:53:16
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 29 July 2015, 21:55:07
Let me address some of the conversations happening here, while we wait for the keys. :thumb:
About the profiles -
I've already posted about this a few times, but am happy to go over it again.
Here are the facts-
The bottom row arrow keys and bottom row numpad keys (six keys total) are in R5 (A) profile, which is slightly taller than the 1.25x mods and spacebar which are R4 (B) profile. Here's a GIF I made showing a common B-profile bottom row vs. a mixed row like the TA set. Note the slightly taller bottom-row arrow keys.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dx38TMj.gif)
This was an intentional decision, so the set would have a uniform R5 (A) profile bottom row when used on a winkeyless keyboard with 1.5x mods (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3a/c2/5b/3ac25bdb2e20a93e5af7c42a10c2bfe8.jpg), like the OG set. I could've added six alternate B-profile keys to allow a uniform B-profile as well, but decided not to, to keep the cost as low as possible.
So the tradeoff is that the set has an all-uniform bottom-row height on winkeyless boards (which are less common) but a mixed height on winkey boards (more common). It is certainly true that the most utilitarian choice would have been to make everything B, but I really wanted to build in the option to use the set in the authentic A-profile form without increasing the cost, and this was the best compromise available.
There are a few users who really dislike this aspect of the set and feel that it ruins the entire thing. Obviously I don't agree, but feel free to use the .GIF above to make up your own mind. If you feel it is a dealbreaker for you then I am sure you have time to sell your order and change the shipping address even before Massdrop sends out the packages.
As for unusual cases like Lightsaver and FC660M, this is just not the right keyset for those boards.
About the colors -
Please don't fret about the ****ty GMK pic, it's teal not blue, and not just any teal, the very best I could find that captures that unique TA feel. All will be revealed soon enough when we all receive the sets. In the meantime I tried to take yet another pic for you guys to show the difference vs. a true blue, of course the usual disclaimers apply, everybody is going to see something a bit different on their own monitors, but it should illustrate the contrast.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GQPqzKC.jpg)
I guess it's inevitable that there will be someone who finds it too vibrant, or too green, or too blue, or whatever, due to the mental image they have been forming for months based on some particular photo on some particular monitor. But I can tell you that I spent a lot of time working on the problem, poring over dozens of color chips in all kinds of lighting conditions. In the end this was the one I always came back to, it's got DAT feel. I am very much looking forward to opening the box for the first time :thumb:
Hmmm, that teal is too purple for me. And the profile will mess up my heedpantsnow47.5 keyboard I made. So you suck intelli. :-P
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 30 July 2015, 06:00:12
Post by: njbair on Thu, 30 July 2015, 10:36:20
Can't wait to fetch the German-made keyset from customs. :-X
It's not Massdrop's fault you were born in the wrong country.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 30 July 2015, 13:39:51
As for unusual cases like Lightsaverand FC660M, this is just not the right keyset for those boards.
Lightsaver can (and should, IMO) be built WKL, so it's really not even an issue for that board either.
Post by: mbrown559 on Thu, 30 July 2015, 17:18:53
Post by: calmfries on Fri, 31 July 2015, 05:12:46
Let me address some of the conversations happening here, while we wait for the keys. :thumb:Mind blown, didn't know so much effort went into this set. Will just wait patiently for this gorgeous set to arrive at my doorstep.
About the profiles -
I've already posted about this a few times, but am happy to go over it again.
Here are the facts-
The bottom row arrow keys and bottom row numpad keys (six keys total) are in R5 (A) profile, which is slightly taller than the 1.25x mods and spacebar which are R4 (B) profile. Here's a GIF I made showing a common B-profile bottom row vs. a mixed row like the TA set. Note the slightly taller bottom-row arrow keys.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dx38TMj.gif)
This was an intentional decision, so the set would have a uniform R5 (A) profile bottom row when used on a winkeyless keyboard with 1.5x mods (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3a/c2/5b/3ac25bdb2e20a93e5af7c42a10c2bfe8.jpg), like the OG set. I could've added six alternate B-profile keys to allow a uniform B-profile as well, but decided not to, to keep the cost as low as possible.
So the tradeoff is that the set has an all-uniform bottom-row height on winkeyless boards (which are less common) but a mixed height on winkey boards (more common). It is certainly true that the most utilitarian choice would have been to make everything B, but I really wanted to build in the option to use the set in the authentic A-profile form without increasing the cost, and this was the best compromise available.
There are a few users who really dislike this aspect of the set and feel that it ruins the entire thing. Obviously I don't agree, but feel free to use the .GIF above to make up your own mind. If you feel it is a dealbreaker for you then I am sure you have time to sell your order and change the shipping address even before Massdrop sends out the packages.
As for unusual cases like Lightsaver and FC660M, this is just not the right keyset for those boards.
About the colors -
Please don't fret about the ****ty GMK pic, it's teal not blue, and not just any teal, the very best I could find that captures that unique TA feel. All will be revealed soon enough when we all receive the sets. In the meantime I tried to take yet another pic for you guys to show the difference vs. a true blue, of course the usual disclaimers apply, everybody is going to see something a bit different on their own monitors, but it should illustrate the contrast.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GQPqzKC.jpg)
I guess it's inevitable that there will be someone who finds it too vibrant, or too green, or too blue, or whatever, due to the mental image they have been forming for months based on some particular photo on some particular monitor. But I can tell you that I spent a lot of time working on the problem, poring over dozens of color chips in all kinds of lighting conditions. In the end this was the one I always came back to, it's got DAT feel. I am very much looking forward to opening the box for the first time :thumb:
Post by: pr1me on Fri, 31 July 2015, 10:05:22
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 10:07:40
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 31 July 2015, 10:18:25
Post by: inanis on Fri, 31 July 2015, 10:19:09
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 31 July 2015, 10:20:48
OOOH! Exciting. I'm order #13, if I remember right. Hopefully I'll get tracking soon. I have been longing for another Cherry profile set to get to my door. I have like 5 coming in, this will be the first of those. Cherry profile is best profile!My order is #27 IRRC. They better ship it soon!
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 10:22:53
OOOH! Exciting. I'm order #13, if I remember right. Hopefully I'll get tracking soon. I have been longing for another Cherry profile set to get to my door. I have like 5 coming in, this will be the first of those. Cherry profile is best profile!
I'm #1,041, which is 2nd to last, if not the last order.
So doesn't look like it's being done in order?
Either way, shipping is happening :)
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 10:26:04
I was the 2nd participant in the drop and haven't gotten a confirmation yet, so I think that's a safe bet. :)OOOH! Exciting. I'm order #13, if I remember right. Hopefully I'll get tracking soon. I have been longing for another Cherry profile set to get to my door. I have like 5 coming in, this will be the first of those. Cherry profile is best profile!
I'm #1,041, which is 2nd to last, if not the last order.
So doesn't look like it's being done in order?
Either way, shipping is happening :)
Post by: skycrimes on Fri, 31 July 2015, 10:27:28
Post by: strict on Fri, 31 July 2015, 10:30:37
just got my tracking number and I was about the 1000th order
:)) sounds like they are working backwards through the order list
Post by: skycrimes on Fri, 31 July 2015, 10:33:03
just got my tracking number and I was about the 1000th order
:)) sounds like they are working backwards through the order list
yeah I just checked I was 1028/1040 guess it was good I waited ;)
Post by: calmfries on Fri, 31 July 2015, 10:35:37
Post by: beehatch on Fri, 31 July 2015, 10:49:35
Post by: njbair on Fri, 31 July 2015, 11:11:00
[attachimg=1]
I'm literally waiting for Order #66.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 31 July 2015, 11:17:42
Check it out:
(Attachment Link)
I'm literally waiting for Order #66.
Heh. The way that Power Glove kid looks he looks like Hayden.
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 31 July 2015, 11:18:49
Check it out:
(Attachment Link)
I'm literally waiting for Order #66.
I mean... you didn't wrongly use the word, "literally"...
Post by: romevi on Fri, 31 July 2015, 11:20:43
Check it out:
(Attachment Link)
I'm literally waiting for Order #66.
Also, how did you get that view? The site updated and it doesn't show what I number I was for some drops.
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 31 July 2015, 11:21:30
:)) sounds like they are working backwards through the order list
Pretty sure they work in a shipping order so they can get lower rates from USPS for presorting.
Post by: plegnic on Fri, 31 July 2015, 11:24:35
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 31 July 2015, 11:25:52
Realised I changed addresses.
Post by: Chemisery on Fri, 31 July 2015, 11:29:38
Post by: njbair on Fri, 31 July 2015, 11:32:48
Check it out:
(Attachment Link)
I'm literally waiting for Order #66.
Heh. The way that Power Glove kid looks he looks like Hayden.
I love Darth Vader. He's so bad.
Check it out:
(Attachment Link)
I'm literally waiting for Order #66.
Also, how did you get that view? The site updated and it doesn't show what I number I was for some drops.
Go to massdrop.com, click on your icon in the upper-right corner, then click Transactions. Scroll down to Triumph Adler and click on the title. That's the page where I took that screenshot.
Check it out:
(Attachment Link)
I'm literally waiting for Order #66.
I mean... you didn't wrongly use the word, "literally"...
Thank you for noticing. I'm just an old curmudgeon who still believes in grammar, spelling, punctuation, the Oxford comma, and prescriptive lexicography.
Post by: taylordcraig on Fri, 31 July 2015, 11:39:08
Post by: romevi on Fri, 31 July 2015, 11:40:44
I wasn't part of the Triumph drop, but here's an example of what shows for me:
[attach=1]
Also, prescriptive only? I prefer a mix of prescriptive and descriptive.
Post by: uJalled on Fri, 31 July 2015, 11:41:12
Post by: inanis on Fri, 31 July 2015, 11:54:49
Oh, I know how I used to be able to see it, but as of a few days ago I no longer can see it.
I wasn't part of the Triumph drop, but here's an example of what shows for me:
(Attachment Link)
Also, prescriptive only? I prefer a mix of prescriptive and descriptive.
They "updated" the site, which did not do a lot other than add in paging and remove a bunch of useful features. The old site is still online, and sometimes you end up there. You can tell by the address. The new one is www1.massdrop.com (http://www1.massdrop.com) the old one is www.massdrop.com (http://www.massdrop.com). I am not that big a fan of the changes.
Post by: cryptowillem on Fri, 31 July 2015, 12:03:34
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 31 July 2015, 12:05:54
Post by: Eziak on Fri, 31 July 2015, 12:18:54
Just got mine as well, and I was in the first 100, so they're definitely not going in any kind of commit order.Definitely not going by commit order, I was around 750 to commit and I got my shipping notification this morning.
Post by: inanis on Fri, 31 July 2015, 12:22:46
Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 12:26:09
Nnnnoooo!!!
Post by: luckyryan333 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 12:29:38
Any photo from massdrop yet? So curious...
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 31 July 2015, 12:58:37
The hype is real!
Post by: njbair on Fri, 31 July 2015, 13:12:59
Oh, I know how I used to be able to see it, but as of a few days ago I no longer can see it.
I wasn't part of the Triumph drop, but here's an example of what shows for me:
(Attachment Link)
Also, prescriptive only? I prefer a mix of prescriptive and descriptive.
Well FYI it said me and 1,039 others, so that's how many sets were ordererd.
Re: dictionaries, I think the best compromise is to define the canonical, prescriptive usages, followed by descriptions of incorrect usage with a clear note that they're incorrect. The American Heritage entry for comprise (https://www.ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=comprise&submit.x=17&submit.y=24) is an example of the way usage errors should be addressed. Merriam-Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprise) takes a slightly more pragmatic approach. And then there's Oxford (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/comprise), which barely even mentions the issue.
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 31 July 2015, 13:57:37
Post by: Atredl on Fri, 31 July 2015, 14:05:08
Post by: ShardZer0 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 14:05:29
Post by: strict on Fri, 31 July 2015, 14:21:56
Post by: elton5354 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 14:35:56
Post by: cuongcan2020 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 14:37:07
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 31 July 2015, 15:02:16
Hype.
I think I was 2nd or 3rd from last.
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 31 July 2015, 15:03:11
Post by: calvinhousecat on Fri, 31 July 2015, 15:26:51
Post by: njbair on Fri, 31 July 2015, 15:29:20
Now the race is on to be the first to actually receive this set!
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 31 July 2015, 15:48:33
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 31 July 2015, 15:53:14
Can't wait for the $30ish custom fees and taxes!To me it's going to be something like $70 or $80, plus shipping forwarder company's payment. :(
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Fri, 31 July 2015, 16:01:13
Got my tracking number.RIP
Realised I changed addresses.
mee tooo :(
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:18:23
Post by: Jokrik on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:36:08
No.. T_T it would take a while since mine is international
Hype... Not.... Hype... Not...
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 31 July 2015, 18:33:47
Post by: fknraiden on Fri, 31 July 2015, 18:41:24
Got my tracking as well, I think we've waited long enough. :)
This buy went very very fast.
Post by: luckyryan333 on Fri, 31 July 2015, 21:15:33
My heart is palpitating with great excitement.
Post by: filphil on Fri, 31 July 2015, 21:21:27
Post by: njbair on Fri, 31 July 2015, 21:27:43
Got my tracking as well, I think we've waited long enough. :)
This buy went very very fast.
As Massdrop buys go, for sure.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 31 July 2015, 21:43:42
My shipment is coming from edison, NJ... I live 40 mins away and it'll reach me by tuesday. I think something is wrong.It's USPS. How is there anything wrong with your delivery estimate? If anything, it's too early!
Post by: njbair on Fri, 31 July 2015, 21:55:33
My shipment is coming from edison, NJ... I live 40 mins away and it'll reach me by tuesday. I think something is wrong.It's USPS. How is there anything wrong with your delivery estimate? If anything, it's too early!
At least you're not Joey Quinn right now (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74002.0;topicseen).
Post by: ATXTider on Fri, 31 July 2015, 21:55:40
My shipment is coming from edison, NJ... I live 40 mins away and it'll reach me by tuesday. I think something is wrong.It's USPS. How is there anything wrong with your delivery estimate? If anything, it's too early!
The tracking number I got was a UPS tracking number, not a USPS one...
Post by: njbair on Fri, 31 July 2015, 21:57:05
My shipment is coming from edison, NJ... I live 40 mins away and it'll reach me by tuesday. I think something is wrong.It's USPS. How is there anything wrong with your delivery estimate? If anything, it's too early!
The tracking number I got was a UPS tracking number, not a USPS one...
You're right. I honestly didn't even bother checking mine yet because it usually takes a day or so for it to actually register.
Post by: Evo_Spec on Fri, 31 July 2015, 22:05:49
well hopefully a set ends up at my house anyways =)
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 31 July 2015, 23:18:47
Usually MD uses UPS to get it most of the way, and then does a hand-off to USPS, but I am not sure if they are doing it for TA.My shipment is coming from edison, NJ... I live 40 mins away and it'll reach me by tuesday. I think something is wrong.It's USPS. How is there anything wrong with your delivery estimate? If anything, it's too early!
The tracking number I got was a UPS tracking number, not a USPS one...
You're right. I honestly didn't even bother checking mine yet because it usually takes a day or so for it to actually register.
Post by: SigLogical on Fri, 31 July 2015, 23:28:20
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sat, 01 August 2015, 02:24:10
Usually MD uses UPS to get it most of the way, and then does a hand-off to USPS, but I am not sure if they are doing it for TA.My shipment is coming from edison, NJ... I live 40 mins away and it'll reach me by tuesday. I think something is wrong.It's USPS. How is there anything wrong with your delivery estimate? If anything, it's too early!
The tracking number I got was a UPS tracking number, not a USPS one...
You're right. I honestly didn't even bother checking mine yet because it usually takes a day or so for it to actually register.
I hate you right now for pointing that out
It's UPS SurePost, which does exactly that -__-
I hate SurePost, SmartPost, and whatever the DHL equivalent is. And don't even get me started on stupid OnTrac.
Anyway, yea. The delivery time is extended because it has to go from UPS to USPS.
Post by: stoic-lemon on Sat, 01 August 2015, 03:25:33
Post by: PrinsPils on Sat, 01 August 2015, 06:40:17
Post by: Evo_Spec on Sat, 01 August 2015, 10:30:05
Yeah! Got my tracking number. I just hope it doesn't end up at Evo_Spec's house. :(
close enough, i'ma head to Saitama to intercept this package! muwahahahaha
Post by: Chemisery on Sat, 01 August 2015, 10:34:25
Got my Tracking, DHL shipping so... it flew from germany to the US to massdrop and now it's going back to germany and then to singapore...
Same here, but the one you should be worried would be Singpost. :))
My previous purchase from MD also delivered via DHL, it took only 5 days to reach SG while it took Singpost another 6 days before it reached my doorstep.
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 01 August 2015, 14:07:26
Hopefully we will see the first pics on monday :thumb:
Post by: uJalled on Sat, 01 August 2015, 22:22:00
Post by: zabuza1997 on Sun, 02 August 2015, 01:09:30
Post by: henz on Sun, 02 August 2015, 14:07:58
Damn I'm so hyped to see photos of everyone's keyboards dressed up in some TA
The shipping notification made me happy :)
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sun, 02 August 2015, 14:29:22
I can't wait that long!
Post by: njbair on Sun, 02 August 2015, 17:33:04
Post by: KHAANNN on Sun, 02 August 2015, 18:18:53
Originally skipped this as I was not interested in GMK's at the time and this set didn't include 1.25x blanks, but currently I'm interested, for possible future mashups
Post by: Metr0 on Sun, 02 August 2015, 18:30:56
Post by: Nai_Calus on Sun, 02 August 2015, 18:38:08
I just checked the Estimated delivery... And it's Friday -__-
I can't wait that long!
I feel your pain. For extra fun my tracking hasn't updated in two days either. :D Which is typical of UPS, but still irritating.
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 12:36:47
Post by: beehatch on Mon, 03 August 2015, 12:37:36
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/stvzvBL.jpg)
boner
I still have to wait until wednesday :(
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 12:38:49
Post by: inanis on Mon, 03 August 2015, 12:41:41
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 12:44:31
(http://i.imgur.com/ozzxJ2X.jpg)
Post by: beehatch on Mon, 03 August 2015, 12:46:14
Well that escalated quicklyShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/ozzxJ2X.jpg)
o________________o
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 12:48:01
Well that escalated quicklyShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/ozzxJ2X.jpg)
They're watching you. It's the only explanation :P
Let's get some pics!
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 12:48:36
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 03 August 2015, 12:50:08
Post by: trizkut on Mon, 03 August 2015, 13:19:12
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/stvzvBL.jpg)
boner
I still have to wait until wednesday :(
Same... (https://geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/embarrassed.gif)
Post by: VesperSAINT on Mon, 03 August 2015, 13:42:32
Post by: beehatch on Mon, 03 August 2015, 13:43:47
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/stvzvBL.jpg)
boner
I still have to wait until wednesday :(
Same...Show Image(https://geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/embarrassed.gif)
*hugs*
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 03 August 2015, 13:44:04
:mad:
Post by: nickheller on Mon, 03 August 2015, 13:44:21
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 13:47:34
Post by: trizkut on Mon, 03 August 2015, 13:47:51
Omg...they are perfect.... :eek:
what a tease. BOO THIS MAN :))
(http://i.imgur.com/GlesX.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/Qb7mH6g.gif)
Just kidding. Can't wait for some pictures! :thumb:
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 03 August 2015, 13:48:45
Post by: beehatch on Mon, 03 August 2015, 13:52:35
Omg...they are perfect.... :eek:
if you tease me any harder, things are gonna get messy
Post by: calvinhousecat on Mon, 03 August 2015, 13:53:39
Omg...they are perfect.... :eek:
(https://i.imgur.com/ErFdQNj.jpg)
PLS
Post by: ShardZer0 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 13:55:37
Omg...they are perfect.... :eek:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/20k20ko.gif)
Post by: VesperSAINT on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:05:34
the hype is too real rite meow
Post by: inanis on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:11:15
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:12:18
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:15:40
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:17:33
Post by: Blackhawk on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:18:16
Post by: calvinhousecat on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:18:21
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OYDUBER.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7WEDuY2.gif)
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:18:54
^-^Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OYDUBER.jpg)
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:19:41
Post by: romevi on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:21:48
Post by: ShardZer0 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:22:01
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OYDUBER.jpg)
(https://31.media.tumblr.com/5f9982c7e98912505074bf5a62b86c76/tumblr_inline_nc4c79cJTP1rqwupw.gif)
Post by: VesperSAINT on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:22:13
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:22:30
Post by: beehatch on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:23:50
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OYDUBER.jpg)
(http://byt.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/blwkss.gif)
Post by: Air tree on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:25:11
(http://i.imgur.com/zImu2my.gif)
Post by: lolpes on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:27:47
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:28:24
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:34:30
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:40:43
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OYDUBER.jpg)
Looks amazing :thumb:
Post by: Khers on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:42:46
This looks soo pretty I'm starting to regret I didn't buy into thisShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/OYDUBER.jpg)
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:43:26
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:43:52
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:45:48
How is the GMK logo printed on? Under the top try, or on the second tray?
Its a transparent sticker on the bottom half.
Post by: filphil on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:46:42
Post by: lolpes on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:46:48
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zycivDs.jpg)
That's it if someone is willing to part with their set i will buy it!
Post by: inanis on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:50:30
Post by: Hanni on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:50:49
I was hesitating for the dolch sky one, no more doubt about getting in now...
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:52:31
I don't care about the caps. I just want a tray.
Well you could soon buy them from
But seriously, these do like very nice key trays.
Post by: eyesmiles on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:53:54
The set turned out beautiful intelli.
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:55:39
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zycivDs.jpg)
Mmmmmm... So pretty!!!!
Post by: lolpes on Mon, 03 August 2015, 14:56:13
Here's hoping some sets will hit the MD bazaar sale ^-^
That would be awesome!
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 15:10:39
Might decide to pick up another set once i see it in person.
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 03 August 2015, 15:11:25
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/stvzvBL.jpg)
boner
I still have to wait until wednesday :(
I'll be waiting for another couple of weeks :p
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 03 August 2015, 15:22:02
Post by: LechnerDE on Mon, 03 August 2015, 15:23:35
Just as I imagined them in my dreams :p
Can't wait to put these babies on my board - thank you so much Intelli for all the efforts you put into this GB :thumb:
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 03 August 2015, 15:29:27
Hot damn, this is good.
More legit into one of your spares now.
Post by: pr0ximity on Mon, 03 August 2015, 15:43:57
Post by: ATXTider on Mon, 03 August 2015, 16:06:38
Post by: PrinsPils on Mon, 03 August 2015, 16:15:33
i thought there was a reseller who bought a bunch of caps, anyone got an idea who it was so i can try to purchase a set trough one of those :)
haha :D its in good condition :pomg i would sell my kidney for these keycaps. I wish i was part of the groupbuy :'(
Tell me more about your kidney...
Post by: drewba on Mon, 03 August 2015, 16:21:06
omg i would sell my kidney for these keycaps. I wish i was part of the groupbuy :'(
Tell me more about your kidney...
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 03 August 2015, 16:39:45
might take pics
Post by: calvinhousecat on Mon, 03 August 2015, 16:45:27
tomorrow or tuesday
Isn't that uhhh Tuesday? :p
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 16:45:28
mine will be here tomorrow or tuesday;D ;D
might take pics
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 03 August 2015, 16:52:54
it'll come tomorrow, which is tuesday, i think
unless it's in my mailbox
but then i have to get up
tracking says tomorrow, so i'm just gonna stay here
Post by: Joey Quinn on Mon, 03 August 2015, 17:16:21
Someone want to sell me a Navy Jane set? :))
Post by: Air tree on Mon, 03 August 2015, 17:23:02
I'm stoked to get this set but I don't have anything to put it on. :You can put it on my HHKB, pls and thx. :-*
Someone want to sell me a Navy Jane set? :))
Post by: tjweir on Mon, 03 August 2015, 17:29:46
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zycivDs.jpg)
Hot damn!
Post by: Joey Quinn on Mon, 03 August 2015, 17:44:15
I'm stoked to get this set but I don't have anything to put it on. :You can put it on my HHKB, pls and thx. :-*
Someone want to sell me a Navy Jane set? :))
You just reminded me I have sliders coming, looks like it's going on my HHKB. :p
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 03 August 2015, 17:56:57
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OYDUBER.jpg)
*Swoon*. So much teal <3 I hoped the day would come when I could get a proper teal keyset, and finally it has!
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 03 August 2015, 18:34:38
and they're ALL SCRATCHED :-X
If this **** happens to me Massdrop is going to get their necks wrung over the phone
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 03 August 2015, 18:39:02
A guy over no r/mk posted a photo his newly arrived caps - the tray had come open and caps were everywhere
and they're ALL SCRATCHED :-X
If this **** happens to me Massdrop is going to get their necks wrung over the phone
We probably won't know for another couple of weeks :(
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 03 August 2015, 18:41:15
A guy over no r/mk posted a photo his newly arrived caps - the tray had come open and caps were everywhere
and they're ALL SCRATCHED :-X
If this **** happens to me Massdrop is going to get their necks wrung over the phone
We probably won't know for another couple of weeks :(
If they come like that I will never buy anything from Massdrop ever again
Here is the photo taken from reddit - I've asked him to take some photos of the damage and will post here when he gets back to me
[attachimg=1]
Post by: romevi on Mon, 03 August 2015, 18:41:41
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 03 August 2015, 18:43:54
Got my Originative RGBY/CMY caps from Massdrop and the bubble envelope was open. Thank goodness no caps were missing, but two yellow caps are scuffed.
Wait do you mean the ones that finished like 2 weeks ago?
Post by: ATXTider on Mon, 03 August 2015, 18:46:20
Got my Originative RGBY/CMY caps from Massdrop and the bubble envelope was open. Thank goodness no caps were missing, but two yellow caps are scuffed.
Wait do you mean the ones that finished like 2 weeks ago?
Most likely s/he does. Mine were in the mailbox this afternoon when I got home!
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 03 August 2015, 18:47:07
Got my Originative RGBY/CMY caps from Massdrop and the bubble envelope was open. Thank goodness no caps were missing, but two yellow caps are scuffed.
Wait do you mean the ones that finished like 2 weeks ago?
Most likely s/he does. Mine were in the mailbox this afternoon when I got home!
Jesus christ that was quick
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 03 August 2015, 18:47:43
A guy over no r/mk posted a photo his newly arrived caps - the tray had come open and caps were everywhere
and they're ALL SCRATCHED :-X
If this **** happens to me Massdrop is going to get their necks wrung over the phone
We probably won't know for another couple of weeks :(
If they come like that I will never buy anything from Massdrop ever again
Here is the photo taken from reddit - I've asked him to take some photos of the damage and will post here when he gets back to me
(Attachment Link)
That's kinda ouch :eek:
I usually photograph packages before and during opening, but so far maybe I've been lucky and everything (including keyboards) has arrived safely.
Post by: romevi on Mon, 03 August 2015, 18:48:56
I am man.
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 03 August 2015, 18:49:06
A guy over no r/mk posted a photo his newly arrived caps - the tray had come open and caps were everywhere
and they're ALL SCRATCHED :-X
If this **** happens to me Massdrop is going to get their necks wrung over the phone
We probably won't know for another couple of weeks :(
If they come like that I will never buy anything from Massdrop ever again
Here is the photo taken from reddit - I've asked him to take some photos of the damage and will post here when he gets back to me
(Attachment Link)
That's kinda ouch :eek:
I usually photograph packages before and during opening, but so far maybe I've been lucky and everything (including keyboards) has arrived safely.
I'm starting to wonder if shipping in trays is even a good idea at all
All of my keycaps that have come in ziplock bags have been 100% fine as they are pretty rigid and can't really move at all
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 03 August 2015, 18:51:31
A guy over no r/mk posted a photo his newly arrived caps - the tray had come open and caps were everywhere
and they're ALL SCRATCHED :-X
If this **** happens to me Massdrop is going to get their necks wrung over the phone
We probably won't know for another couple of weeks :(
If they come like that I will never buy anything from Massdrop ever again
Here is the photo taken from reddit - I've asked him to take some photos of the damage and will post here when he gets back to me
(Attachment Link)
That's kinda ouch :eek:
I usually photograph packages before and during opening, but so far maybe I've been lucky and everything (including keyboards) has arrived safely.
I'm starting to wonder if shipping in trays is even a good idea at all
All of my keycaps that have come in ziplock bags have been 100% fine as they are pretty rigid and can't really move at all
They increase shipping costs, if it gets bent too far in the middle the space bar could crack. The above could happen. Doesn't fit with my keycap storage arrangements.
All in all I'd prefer a ziplock back or similar, or even a small plastic box like Tai Hao keycaps sometimes come in.
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 21:25:13
(http://i.imgur.com/qe3XdPJ.jpg)
Post by: ATXTider on Mon, 03 August 2015, 21:36:14
Another quick snap, out of my phone. On my MBP monitor this shows pretty accurate colors.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qe3XdPJ.jpg)
Wow! That looks uh-may-zing! :D
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 03 August 2015, 21:43:15
Another quick snap, out of my phone. On my MBP monitor this shows pretty accurate colors.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qe3XdPJ.jpg)
Looks georgeous
What goes into getting GMK to do custom colours for you?
Post by: Wulkes on Mon, 03 August 2015, 21:43:48
http://imgur.com/a/0qRrB
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 21:56:16
Hello! Here's my set. The keys shifted in the tray but they weren't scratched.
http://imgur.com/a/0qRrB
That's so freaking pretty. I can't wait to get my set!!!! I need to get a board for them... none of my boards seem worthy of this set.
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 22:04:51
Hello! Here's my set. The keys shifted in the tray but they weren't scratched.
http://imgur.com/a/0qRrB
Where do you live in DC?
Post by: Wulkes on Mon, 03 August 2015, 22:07:10
Adams Morgan!Hello! Here's my set. The keys shifted in the tray but they weren't scratched.
http://imgur.com/a/0qRrB
Where do you live in DC?
You live in DC?
Post by: Eziak on Mon, 03 August 2015, 22:07:33
Another quick snap, out of my phone. On my MBP monitor this shows pretty accurate colors.So I'm assuming my Asus Proart should be showing close to true colors for it as well, then. Looks good, Intelli can't wait til I get mine on Thursday.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qe3XdPJ.jpg)
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 22:08:45
Adams Morgan!Hello! Here's my set. The keys shifted in the tray but they weren't scratched.
http://imgur.com/a/0qRrB
Where do you live in DC?
You live in DC?
Yep, SW
Post by: Karura on Mon, 03 August 2015, 22:13:37
Post by: Wulkes on Mon, 03 August 2015, 22:14:05
Eastern Market?Adams Morgan!Hello! Here's my set. The keys shifted in the tray but they weren't scratched.
http://imgur.com/a/0qRrB
Where do you live in DC?
You live in DC?
Yep, SW
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 22:15:14
Eastern Market?
Not that far east, closer to Federal Center SW/Waterfront :)
Post by: Wulkes on Mon, 03 August 2015, 22:21:30
Erm, I read that as SE for some reason. Probably because SW is so small, haha.Eastern Market?
Not that far east, closer to Federal Center SW/Waterfront :)
Stadium area. I like it there, did a lot of work with the Nats earlier this year, got to know it well. Cool area!
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 03 August 2015, 23:26:00
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 03 August 2015, 23:27:13
it looks like that in the pics, i'll tell you more when i get my set tomorrow
Post by: bueller on Mon, 03 August 2015, 23:28:35
Did I miss something, are my eyes failing, or are the alphas a darker colour than the modifiers?
They are. I was in the minority but I always said we should have matched the alphas legends to the mods.
Post by: trizkut on Mon, 03 August 2015, 23:31:56
nah i don't think you're nuts rowdy
it looks like that in the pics, i'll tell you more when i get my set tomorrow
It was decided in the IC phase that the alpha legends were going to be blue and not teal
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 03 August 2015, 23:38:11
The underneath shots make it pretty obvious, but in the top shots it's not as exaggerated. Could be a good thing :)
Post by: RickyJ on Mon, 03 August 2015, 23:41:02
Did I miss something, are my eyes failing, or are the alphas a darker colour than the modifiers?
IIRC, the reasoning was that the mods faded more than the alpha legends did, but they started out as the same colour when new.
Post by: RickyJ on Mon, 03 August 2015, 23:42:03
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 04 August 2015, 00:18:46
Did I miss something, are my eyes failing, or are the alphas a darker colour than the modifiers?
IIRC, the reasoning was that the mods faded more than the alpha legends did, but they started out as the same colour when new.
That I do understand :)
But to authentically replicate that would require a lighter colour for the top of the keycaps and a darker colour underneath, which would be nearly impossible for GMK to do, and pretty pointless anyway, apart from sating the desires of a few purists.
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 04 August 2015, 00:20:25
Post by: PrinsPils on Tue, 04 August 2015, 04:43:49
Yes the alphas are much bluer, and that was on purpose, because that's how all the old pics show them. It's true of my authentic set as well. It's a great contrast with the mods - glad we did it this wayCould you share the details of a reseller who bought multiple sets? i would like to preorder/buy a set via one of them :)
Post by: henz on Tue, 04 August 2015, 04:44:52
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 04 August 2015, 05:03:57
the sex is coming my way!
It will help take your mind off your missing keycaps.
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 04 August 2015, 06:41:45
Post by: henz on Tue, 04 August 2015, 06:45:16
No it wont :pthe sex is coming my way!
It will help take your mind off your missing keycaps.
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Tue, 04 August 2015, 08:52:44
Post by: ShardZer0 on Tue, 04 August 2015, 10:32:34
Post by: ttzhou on Tue, 04 August 2015, 10:38:36
Just got my set in the mail. The caps are awesome! I'll post some pics later today. Unfortunately my package looked like someone played rugby with it and the tray was sliightly open which legt the caps kinda go everywhere inside the box. ****ing Massdrop! >:D Other than that everythiing looks pretty good. Thanks a bunch Intelli for setting this up!
Massdrop shipping department is probably their weakest link. They really need to get that fixed.
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 04 August 2015, 10:53:35
**** comes to them mass-packed and it seems like they just treat everything as if it were commercially packaged, which usually is not the case. They really need to get access to an item or two so they can figure out how to adequately package it.
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:25:03
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The label on the case says "Open and Handle with care", oh the irony.
Post by: trizkut on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:27:52
Mine arrived....sounded like a box of legos. A few pieces of scotch tape could have avoided this:
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The label on the case says "Open and Handle with care", oh the irony.
(https://geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/cry.gif) (https://geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/cry.gif) (https://geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/cry.gif)
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:28:10
Maybe I'll just stop buying their crap completely if this is how they want to treat us.
Cancelling all orders from MD right now.
Post by: lolpes on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:28:22
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:32:32
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:34:06
I haven't received mine yet so have to go by what others are experiencing.
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:35:04
Lord knows what they're going to look like as those of us on the other side of the country or worse world start getting them.
Post by: trizkut on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:37:05
Mine arrived....sounded like a box of legos. A few pieces of scotch tape could have avoided this:
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The label on the case says "Open and Handle with care", oh the irony.
I can't see your picture in the MD comments
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Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:38:11
The worst part is these are the sets that spent the least amount of time in transit.
Lord knows what they're going to look like as those of us on the other side of the country or worse world start getting them.
You could even end up with a few missing keys if the box isn't taped up well or a hole gets punctured in the side.
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:38:45
Before I grab my pitchfork I have a curiosity. Is this solely the fault of Massdrop for not using enough tape or packaging material (the contents weren't secured), or is it possible that these trays aren't meant to be packaged individually and it's a design flaw of the tray? (seems unlikely, but just thinking out loud)
I haven't received mine yet so have to go by what others are experiencing.
Looking at these plastic trays it seems that they should not be held with two pieces of scotch tape or whatever they are using.
If it was further wrapped in bubble wrap or at least had tape that wrapped around it would be perfectly fine.
They should really do some stress testing with their packaging.
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:40:43
For transit, unless GMK fixes their cases, if that is indeed the problem, plastic bags seem like the optimum solution for the future, as is standard with most sets..
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:41:57
Before I grab my pitchfork I have a curiosity. Is this solely the fault of Massdrop for not using enough tape or packaging material (the contents weren't secured), or is it possible that these trays aren't meant to be packaged individually and it's a design flaw of the tray? (seems unlikely, but just thinking out loud)
I haven't received mine yet so have to go by what others are experiencing.
The packing was large cell bubble wrap, but there was extra space in the box which allowed everything to move quite a bit. Small bubble wrapped around the tray combined with the large bubble to fill the box would have been better, but more work.
I can't say for sure more tape would have avoided this, but tape on four sides would have been good insurance.
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:43:21
I can't see your picture in the MD comments
I used their upload button, but it doesn't seem to work. Figures
EDIT: If image is more than 2MB it fails without notice. Got the image up their now.
Post by: Spopepro on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:43:30
Before I grab my pitchfork I have a curiosity. Is this solely the fault of Massdrop for not using enough tape or packaging material (the contents weren't secured), or is it possible that these trays aren't meant to be packaged individually and it's a design flaw of the tray? (seems unlikely, but just thinking out loud)
I haven't received mine yet so have to go by what others are experiencing.
The trays do not snap together. The only thing holding the top on is gravity, so yes, the trays are partly to blame.
The packing was large cell bubble wrap, but there was extra space in the box which allowed everything to move quite a bit. Small bubble wrapped around the tray combined with the large bubble to fill the box would have been better, but more work.
I can't say for sure more tape would have avoided this, but tape on four sides would have been good insurance.
These were sorted at GMK, yeah? That means that they could make it from Germany to the USA without trouble, but couldn't go from New Jersey to D.C.? I'm not sure it's fair to blame the tray...
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:45:14
Mine arrived....sounded like a box of legos. A few extra pieces of scotch tape could have avoided this:
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The label on the case says "Open and Handle with care", oh the irony.
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:))
but at least they shipped them out really fast! :facepalm:
Post by: rpeterclark on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:46:40
Mine arrived....sounded like a box of legos. A few extra pieces of scotch tape could have avoided this:
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The label on the case says "Open and Handle with care", oh the irony.
Do these trays snap shut or are they only held together by tape? Is it just ****ty tape?
Post by: luckyryan333 on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:49:03
Mine arrived....sounded like a box of legos. A few extra pieces of scotch tape could have avoided this:
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The label on the case says "Open and Handle with care", oh the irony.
MD makes me stunned. :-X
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:53:32
EDIT: The top was on the correct direction, just not aligned. Probably happened after the tape came loose.
See below. Top - correct; Botton - How it was shipped
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Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:55:16
The best drops I've been involved in have all been shipped by the makers, or items that are damn near indestructible.
Post by: rpeterclark on Tue, 04 August 2015, 11:58:02
It appears there are three small dimples that snap together to hold the two tray haves together. Its not very robust. It may have done the job if the two halves were aligned. If you look closely at my previous picture, the top is on backwards. Maybe the bottom is on backwards, I'm not sure, but the locking dimples aren't aligned.
So presumably they came from GMK incorrectly alignment and with the ****ty tape, right? I mean, MD definitely has shipping issues, but this looks like it was doomed to start off with.
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 04 August 2015, 12:03:59
It appears there are three small dimples that snap together to hold the two tray haves together. Its not very robust. It may have done the job if the two halves were aligned. If you look closely at my previous picture, the top is on backwards. Maybe the bottom is on backwards, I'm not sure, but the locking dimples aren't aligned.
So presumably they came from GMK incorrectly alignment and with the ****ty tape, right? I mean, MD definitely has shipping issues, but this looks like it was doomed to start off with.
Who ever applied the tape is probably at fault here. The top is not snapped together. Before applying tape, that should have been confirmed.
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 04 August 2015, 12:07:33
But lesson learned for me: use a damn bag.
Post by: jonathanyu on Tue, 04 August 2015, 12:53:12
Post by: inanis on Tue, 04 August 2015, 12:55:16
after seeing those pictures... I guess I will sell this set after I receive it
Why? They look great! I mean other than the packaging, of course. I'm sure you won't have trouble finding a buyer if you do want to sell.
Post by: romevi on Tue, 04 August 2015, 12:56:00
after seeing those pictures... I guess I will sell this set after I receive it
DIBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 04 August 2015, 12:57:41
I'd cry if I get a box full of loose and scratched caps :(
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 04 August 2015, 12:57:41
Post by: lolpes on Tue, 04 August 2015, 12:57:57
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:02:38
Post by: inanis on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:04:29
Might want to check that enthusiasm until you see how scratched up they get in transit! :))
I am not a perfectionist, so maybe I'm less perceptive of these things to start off with, but how scratched could these possibly get? It's not like they shipped them with rocks in the same box. I suppose I'll know once I get home since they should be waiting there for me. For now I'm going to keep thinking positive. :)
The packaging is still totally unacceptable, and if they are damaged MD should be held responsible. It can't be GMK's fault if they arrived at MD with no issues. GMK was responsible for the packaging and shipping to MD, MD is responsible for the packaging and shipping to the customer. At least that is my 2 cents.
Post by: jonathanyu on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:12:12
after seeing those pictures... I guess I will sell this set after I receive it
Why? They look great! I mean other than the packaging, of course. I'm sure you won't have trouble finding a buyer if you do want to sell.
Maybe I miss something because this thread is so long and massdrop discussion has few hundreds of comments... but I thought the teal would be a direct copy of the original board. I can't find anything on the description page on massdrop saying the teal color would be choose by intelli. And the color was chosen after the drop end...
The set just looks nothing like this picture. I can see massdrop will have to deal with tons of complain and request for refund already.
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-5860_20150323164918_1daa6f517bdf02b4.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1)
intelli did a great job on this groupbuy though.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:13:39
Might want to check that enthusiasm until you see how scratched up they get in transit! :))
I am not a perfectionist, so maybe I'm less perceptive of these things to start off with, but how scratched could these possibly get? It's not like they shipped them with rocks in the same box. I suppose I'll know once I get home since they should be waiting there for me. For now I'm going to keep thinking positive. :)
The packaging is still totally unacceptable, and if they are damaged MD should be held responsible. It can't be GMK's fault if they arrived at MD with no issues. GMK was responsible for the packaging and shipping to MD, MD is responsible for the packaging and shipping to the customer. At least that is my 2 cents.
You might be surprised, but keycaps can scratch other in the right conditions. I don't have any pics to show, but it's more of a surface finish scratch usually, so it's visible but not very deep.
Post by: digi on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:14:08
after seeing those pictures... I guess I will sell this set after I receive it
Why? They look great! I mean other than the packaging, of course. I'm sure you won't have trouble finding a buyer if you do want to sell.
Maybe I miss something because this thread is so long and massdrop discussion has few hundreds of comments... but I thought the teal would be a direct copy of the original board. I can't find anything on the description page on massdrop saying the teal color would be choose by intelli. And the color was chosen after the drop end...
The set just looks nothing like this picture. I can see massdrop will have to deal with tons of complain and request for refund already.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-5860_20150323164918_1daa6f517bdf02b4.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1)
intelli did a great job on this groupbuy though.
That is what I refer to as "standard GMK issued Cyan".
Post by: trizkut on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:15:46
Might want to check that enthusiasm until you see how scratched up they get in transit! :))
I am not a perfectionist, so maybe I'm less perceptive of these things to start off with, but how scratched could these possibly get? It's not like they shipped them with rocks in the same box. I suppose I'll know once I get home since they should be waiting there for me. For now I'm going to keep thinking positive. :)
The packaging is still totally unacceptable, and if they are damaged MD should be held responsible. It can't be GMK's fault if they arrived at MD with no issues. GMK was responsible for the packaging and shipping to MD, MD is responsible for the packaging and shipping to the customer. At least that is my 2 cents.
You might be surprised, but keycaps can scratch other in the right conditions. I don't have any pics to show, but it's more of a surface finish scratch usually, so it's visible but not very deep.
What about the sprue marks? i don't know about GMK's process, but they can be pretty rough/sharp sometimes.
Post by: inanis on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:17:16
I don't know if that would really bother me. I guess it depends on where the scratches are. Like if there is one long one running across the spacebar I'd probably be really pissed. But if it was a some scratches on the backside of the Q key, I can live with that. I'm just trying not to get spun up about something that is out of my control and that I don't really know the extent of. I know, that is very opposite to the normal GH way of dealing with stress. :pMoreMight want to check that enthusiasm until you see how scratched up they get in transit! :))
I am not a perfectionist, so maybe I'm less perceptive of these things to start off with, but how scratched could these possibly get? It's not like they shipped them with rocks in the same box. I suppose I'll know once I get home since they should be waiting there for me. For now I'm going to keep thinking positive. :)
The packaging is still totally unacceptable, and if they are damaged MD should be held responsible. It can't be GMK's fault if they arrived at MD with no issues. GMK was responsible for the packaging and shipping to MD, MD is responsible for the packaging and shipping to the customer. At least that is my 2 cents.
You might be surprised, but keycaps can scratch other in the right conditions. I don't have any pics to show, but it's more of a surface finish scratch usually, so it's visible but not very deep.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:20:08
What about the sprue marks? i don't know about GMK's process, but they can be pretty rough/sharp sometimes.
IIRC GMK's aren't too bad, but that's a good point.
I don't know if that would really bother me. I guess it depends on where the scratches are. Like if there is one long one running across the spacebar I'd probably be really pissed. But if it was a some scratches on the backside of the Q key, I can live with that. I'm just trying not to get spun up about something that is out of my control and that I don't really know the extent of. I know, that is very opposite to the normal GH way of dealing with stress. :p
Not to scare you, but I did have a spacebar get scratched from some jostling caps once. :(
I think we should all just wait until they arrive before we freak out though. :-*
Post by: jbondeson on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:21:27
I don't know if that would really bother me. I guess it depends on where the scratches are. Like if there is one long one running across the spacebar I'd probably be really pissed. But if it was a some scratches on the backside of the Q key, I can live with that. I'm just trying not to get spun up about something that is out of my control and that I don't really know the extent of. I know, that is very opposite to the normal GH way of dealing with stress. :p
Haha that's fair, I was more talking to romevi getting super excited to call dibs on someone's set who hasn't even received it yet ;)
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:25:01
Post by: CommonCurt on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:28:15
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:34:38
Has anyone contacted MD about the packaging yet?
INB4 MD beings offering $2-$5 refunds as a concession. ::)
I've had a few things damaged in the past and there initial responses are always hilarious.
Post by: filphil on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:37:42
(http://i.imgur.com/v3VH2jD.jpg)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:40:07
Has anyone contacted MD about the packaging yet?
I will if mine are damaged upon receipt.
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:48:58
I received the package and shook it. Maybe I shook too aggressively or something.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/v3VH2jD.jpg)
Are the babies okay?
Post by: nightdriver on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:49:07
after seeing those pictures... I guess I will sell this set after I receive it
Why? They look great! I mean other than the packaging, of course. I'm sure you won't have trouble finding a buyer if you do want to sell.
Maybe I miss something because this thread is so long and massdrop discussion has few hundreds of comments... but I thought the teal would be a direct copy of the original board. I can't find anything on the description page on massdrop saying the teal color would be choose by intelli. And the color was chosen after the drop end...
The set just looks nothing like this picture. I can see massdrop will have to deal with tons of complain and request for refund already.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-5860_20150323164918_1daa6f517bdf02b4.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1)
intelli did a great job on this groupbuy though.
what do you mean when you say "an exact copy of the original board"? the original board used a sky blue color, not any kind of teal. the teal is a result of the blue keys yellowing, and they've yellowed to different degrees on different boards, and even on different caps on the same board. and unless you own one of those boards, you've never actually seen it. you've seen pictures with whatever color temperature and white temperature happened to exist in the picture displayed on a monitor that may have its own color temperature and white balance biases. and unless you've received your keys yet, you haven't seen the true color of the finished product either.
Post by: filphil on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:50:49
I received the package and shook it. Maybe I shook too aggressively or something.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/v3VH2jD.jpg)
Are the babies okay?
As far as I know, yes. The good thing is that there were maybe 10 keys inside the actual tray. That means no cramping up inside the tray and unneeded pressure building up from the keys stacking while in transit.
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:54:07
after seeing those pictures... I guess I will sell this set after I receive it
Why? They look great! I mean other than the packaging, of course. I'm sure you won't have trouble finding a buyer if you do want to sell.
Maybe I miss something because this thread is so long and massdrop discussion has few hundreds of comments... but I thought the teal would be a direct copy of the original board. I can't find anything on the description page on massdrop saying the teal color would be choose by intelli. And the color was chosen after the drop end...
The set just looks nothing like this picture. I can see massdrop will have to deal with tons of complain and request for refund already.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-5860_20150323164918_1daa6f517bdf02b4.jpg?auto=format&fit=crop&w=376&dpr=1)
intelli did a great job on this groupbuy though.
Should do a little research and see that the teal coloring was not intentional at all and it was due to the fact that the "sky blue" keycaps were yellowing over time. Intelli has an authentic of his own and has an abundance of knowledge in this subject.
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 04 August 2015, 13:58:42
About color matching, that was the original plan, but as it turns out, the genuine caps (at least the ones from my board) look rather ****ty IRL, quite splotchy and gross. If I had gone through with color matching those, no one would have been happy. I'm not even sure it would have been possible since there wasn't actually one consistent color. Hand picking a Pantone color was the next best option. And the result looks great, just like all the canonical pics do on most monitors, which was the goal.
If you don't like it, fine, but at least withhold judgment until you actually see it IRL.
Post by: filphil on Tue, 04 August 2015, 14:02:20
Yea. It seems like all my warnings about digital colors are still not being understood.
About color matching, that was the original plan, but as it turns out, the genuine caps (at least the ones from my board) look rather ****ty IRL, quite splotchy and gross. If I had gone through with color matching those, no one would have been happy. I'm not even sure it would have been possible since there wasn't actually one consistent color. Hand picking a Pantone color was the next best option. And the result looks great, just like all the canonical pics do on most monitors, which was the goal.
If you don't like it, fine, but at least withhold judgment until you actually see it IRL.
After I put the keycaps side by side I think the set looks good on silver. So I'm happy. :thumb:
Post by: mashby on Tue, 04 August 2015, 14:13:24
Yea. It seems like all my warnings about digital colors are still not being understood.
About color matching, that was the original plan, but as it turns out, the genuine caps (at least the ones from my board) look rather ****ty IRL, quite splotchy and gross. If I had gone through with color matching those, no one would have been happy. I'm not even sure it would have been possible since there wasn't actually one consistent color. Hand picking a Pantone color was the next best option. And the result looks great, just like all the canonical pics do on most monitors, which was the goal.
If you don't like it, fine, but at least withhold judgment until you actually see it IRL.
They look fantastic. :thumb: Don't know how anyone could complain about how these came out. In my dimly lit office, they appear a little darker than the mockups, but I think they look great.
Unfortunately, like others have already posted, the tray didn't stay shut and there were keys all over the place. Doesn't appear to have any scratches. :cool:
Post by: calmfries on Tue, 04 August 2015, 14:25:34
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 04 August 2015, 14:28:49
The blue legends were absolutely the right choice, they also bring out green tones in the mods and add an element of contrast to the whole thing.
If I had to make one criticism, it would be about the gray alphas. I am about 90% happy with those. The keys, which are all slightly concave, tend to catch light in a way that reflects it directly up and edges the capsmore to the white side than the gray side. Thus, the keys look gray as intended when viewed from the side or isometrically, but can appear more white when you're typing on them and looking down. Especially under blue sunlight. I feel like I picked the right gray given the info available at the time and the appearance of the chip itself, but having seen how it looks in keycap form, I'd darken it 1 notch if there were ever a R2. Not a big deal thoug, just something that could be improved even further.
Maybe someday GMK will offer preproduction samples, that would really be great.
Overall I feel it was a great success, and I learned an enormous amount about color, communication, and project management. I hope I can put that all to use in another GMK GB soon!
Post by: calmfries on Tue, 04 August 2015, 14:33:42
About the color, having had almost 24 hours with the set, I am super happy with the teal. It absolutely captures that unique TA essence of all the old Josh/sixty pics. It especially looks good at night and under slightly yellow light, which really brings out the green tones.Wow, that's pretty spot on. At least in my imagination. Can't wait to receive this set. DHL last updated the tracking 2 days ago. And nothing for 2 days, not sure if it left the state or no progress at all.
The blue legends were absolutely the right choice, they also bring out green tones in the mods and add an element of contrast to the whole thing.
If I had to make one criticism, it would be about the gray alphas. I am about 90% happy with those. The keys, which are all slightly concave, tend to catch light in a way that reflects it directly up and edges the capsmore to the white side than the gray side. Thus, the keys look gray as intended when viewed from the side or isometrically, but can appear more white when you're typing on them and looking down. Especially under blue sunlight. I feel like I picked the right gray given the info available at the time and the appearance of the chip itself, but having seen how it looks in keycap form, I'd darken it 1 notch if there were ever a R2. Not a big deal thoug, just something that could be improved even further.
Maybe someday GMK will offer preproduction samples, that would really be great.
Overall I feel it was a great success, and I learned an enormous amount about color, communication, and project management. I hope I can put that all to use in another GMK GB soon!
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 04 August 2015, 15:19:37
The worst part is these are the sets that spent the least amount of time in transit.
Lord knows what they're going to look like as those of us on the other side of the country or worse world start getting them.
This has me slightly concerned - but I'll wait and see what happens.
Post by: Wildcard on Tue, 04 August 2015, 15:24:02
Post by: fknraiden on Tue, 04 August 2015, 15:28:05
Post by: njbair on Tue, 04 August 2015, 16:16:22
If Massdrop had put the clamshell in the box upside-down (and if the couriers honored "this side up"), I'm pretty sure all the single sets would've arrived fine. I don't know if anyone else other than Massdrop would have anticipated this either, but you'd think companies who ship things for a living would have some way to verify good packing, maybe shipping themselves a test package or something.
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 04 August 2015, 17:59:48
I receieved my 2 sets today, shipped in the same box. The bottom set was pretty scattered, but all the keys were still in the clamshell with no damage. The top set was perfect. This suggests that the cases are meant to be stacked. I think the weight of the keys against the thin plastic of the clamshell bottom just caused the snaps to separate and allowed things to move around freely. Having another set underneath to brace the bottom of the clamshell, though, kept my top set intact.
If Massdrop had put the clamshell in the box upside-down (and if the couriers honored "this side up"), I'm pretty sure all the single sets would've arrived fine. I don't know if anyone else other than Massdrop would have anticipated this either, but you'd think companies who ship things for a living would have some way to verify good packing, maybe shipping themselves a test package or something.
"This side up" - yeah, right, sure.
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 04 August 2015, 18:00:52
Did I miss something, are my eyes failing, or are the alphas a darker colour than the modifiers?
nah i don't think you're nuts rowdy
it looks like that in the pics, i'll tell you more when i get my set tomorrow
ya they're 2 different blues
i just got my set
lemme make it pretty maybe ill take pics later tonight
maybe ill save them for keycon :o
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 04 August 2015, 18:20:46
this is ****ing ridiculous, so i'll bring it to keycon
Post by: Joey Quinn on Tue, 04 August 2015, 18:26:15
ya i just put it on my camo filco
this is ****ing ridiculous, so i'll bring it to keycon
Don't do that to us. :'(
Post by: Belfong on Tue, 04 August 2015, 18:39:33
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 04 August 2015, 18:51:00
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 04 August 2015, 19:54:37
ya i just put it on my camo filco
this is ****ing ridiculous, so i'll bring it to keycon
Don't do that to us. :'(
son do you want pics of my dirty ass desk?
trust me you don't
pics sat/sun from keycon
get hype
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 04 August 2015, 21:01:49
son do you want pics of my dirty ass desk?
trust me you don't
pics sat/sun from keycon
get hype
PM me the dirty pics? :-*
Post by: njbair on Tue, 04 August 2015, 22:12:09
Packing problems. As you can see, of my two sets, the one that was stacked on top is in perfect order.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/532/19679337983_99971fb4e3_k.jpg)
GMK Triumph Adler Keycaps (https://flic.kr/p/vYZKyK) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
Ready to go on a Noppoo EC108-Pro. I was pleasantly surprised by how nice they look on a more modern board with such a low-profile bezel.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/472/19677681774_4fe0e7f0c9_k.jpg)
Noppoo with Triumph Adler (https://flic.kr/p/vYRgeq) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 04 August 2015, 22:57:38
Show Image
Snapped a couple of pics and did my best to get accurate colors in Lightroom.
Packing problems. As you can see, of my two sets, the one that was stacked on top is in perfect order.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/532/19679337983_99971fb4e3_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vYZKyK)
GMK Triumph Adler Keycaps (https://flic.kr/p/vYZKyK) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
Ready to go on a Noppoo EC108-Pro. I was pleasantly surprised by how nice they look on a more modern board with such a low-profile bezel.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/472/19677681774_4fe0e7f0c9_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vYRgeq)
Noppoo with Triumph Adler (https://flic.kr/p/vYRgeq) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
Very nice combo!
Post by: HendyZone on Tue, 04 August 2015, 23:07:06
Show Image
Snapped a couple of pics and did my best to get accurate colors in Lightroom.
Packing problems. As you can see, of my two sets, the one that was stacked on top is in perfect order.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/532/19679337983_99971fb4e3_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vYZKyK)
GMK Triumph Adler Keycaps (https://flic.kr/p/vYZKyK) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
Ready to go on a Noppoo EC108-Pro. I was pleasantly surprised by how nice they look on a more modern board with such a low-profile bezel.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/472/19677681774_4fe0e7f0c9_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vYRgeq)
Noppoo with Triumph Adler (https://flic.kr/p/vYRgeq) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
Really goes well with white board
Nice pic sir :thumb:
Post by: Nai_Calus on Tue, 04 August 2015, 23:28:34
Post by: romevi on Tue, 04 August 2015, 23:40:01
I has a sad looking at pictures when my tracking hasn't even updated yet. :(I has a sad looking at pictures when my tracking hasn't even updated yet...because I never ordered one. :(
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 04 August 2015, 23:57:39
Post by: Jokrik on Tue, 04 August 2015, 23:59:34
I has a sad looking at pictures when my tracking hasn't even updated yet. :(
I has a sad looking at pictures when my tracking will never get updated because mine is an international order :(
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 05 August 2015, 00:04:48
I has a sad thinking that my order might arrive all scratched up :(
(http://i.giphy.com/3o85xrkL33ojloY8Sc.gif)
Post by: Acknown3 on Wed, 05 August 2015, 02:47:15
To the people who are selling their kits, are you willing to sell your individual left shift?
Also, would anyone be willing to do a little keycap surgery to align the spacebar stabilizers properly for me? I don't want to mess it up.
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 05 August 2015, 04:39:03
I hope the caps survive their journey undamaged :(
Post by: Belfong on Wed, 05 August 2015, 05:14:18
my feeling exactly!I has a sad thinking that my order might arrive all scratched up :(Show Image(http://i.giphy.com/3o85xrkL33ojloY8Sc.gif)
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 05 August 2015, 07:25:24
Quote
Exception Reason: WE'LL BE IN YOUR AREA AND WILL DELIVER YOUR UPS SUREPOST PACKAGE INSTEAD OF THE POST OFFICE.
I think that I hit the jackpot on this aspect. :))
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 05 August 2015, 07:30:28
Show Image
Snapped a couple of pics and did my best to get accurate colors in Lightroom.
Packing problems. As you can see, of my two sets, the one that was stacked on top is in perfect order.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/532/19679337983_99971fb4e3_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vYZKyK)
GMK Triumph Adler Keycaps (https://flic.kr/p/vYZKyK) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
Ready to go on a Noppoo EC108-Pro. I was pleasantly surprised by how nice they look on a more modern board with such a low-profile bezel.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/472/19677681774_4fe0e7f0c9_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vYRgeq)
Noppoo with Triumph Adler (https://flic.kr/p/vYRgeq) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
These photos really do the set so much justice! The colors have looked off to me in all other pictures, but these, wow! Kinda bummed I didn't get in on this.
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 05 August 2015, 09:17:57
These photos really do the set so much justice! The colors have looked off to me in all other pictures, but these, wow! Kinda bummed I didn't get in on this.
It's the combination of 1) a good camera (Nikon D7000) and 2) actual white sample in the picture. His case allowed him to get the white balance really locked in.
And this is why I hate SurePost: the caps are within 20mi of me, but aren't going to be delivered for another two days. :mad:
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 05 August 2015, 10:37:17
And that means I will have this keyset on my hands...
In a month. UPS will deliver it to the shipping forwarder company, who will charge me shipping + handling to Brazil, and will charge import taxes when it arrives here. :'(
Post by: strict on Wed, 05 August 2015, 10:46:57
Post by: azhdar on Wed, 05 August 2015, 10:48:46
Wife just texted me that I have a massdrop box at the house! Now I just need to find a reason to blow out of work early ...
fall down the stairs make sure to break your leg.
Post by: njbair on Wed, 05 August 2015, 10:49:55
These photos really do the set so much justice! The colors have looked off to me in all other pictures, but these, wow! Kinda bummed I didn't get in on this.
It's the combination of 1) a good camera (Nikon D7000) and 2) actual white sample in the picture. His case allowed him to get the white balance really locked in.
And this is why I hate SurePost: the caps are within 20mi of me, but aren't going to be delivered for another two days. :mad:
Even with the white, the AWB made those modifiers deep blue. I had to a lot of tweaking in Lightroom to get this to look accurate. It helps that I have the actual thing in front of me to compare to...
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 05 August 2015, 10:50:46
Wife just texted me that I have a massdrop box at the house! Now I just need to find a reason to blow out of work early ...
"Sorry boss, but my Triumph Adler replica keycap set just arrived at home. It needs my sweet, tender loving. I may be back tomorrow, depending on how things go this evening. ;) I hope you understand."
Post by: drewba on Wed, 05 August 2015, 10:55:52
Ready to go on a Noppoo EC108-Pro. I was pleasantly surprised by how nice they look on a more modern board with such a low-profile bezel.Thanks for the pictures. I wasn't willing to buy a new keyboard to put TA on, instead I've been waffling between a white or blue case top for my KUL. I think your picture talked me in to white, it looks good!
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/472/19677681774_4fe0e7f0c9_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vYRgeq)
Noppoo with Triumph Adler (https://flic.kr/p/vYRgeq) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
Post by: trizkut on Wed, 05 August 2015, 10:56:11
Wife just texted me that I have a massdrop box at the house! Now I just need to find a reason to blow out of work early ...
(http://i.giphy.com/5xtDarlO3EW8rVa86wE.gif)
If you have a co-worker you can trust, you can try this :))
Post by: Pieminister on Wed, 05 August 2015, 11:04:49
If anyone is getting this set for a TKL or 60% keyboard and doesn't care about the numpad set, I am intereted in buying it from you [UK].Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NfZ7oH7.png)
Now that people are getting their sets I just want to post this as a reminder. I'm interested in a num pad set if you are using a TKL or 60% board and don't need it.
Post by: nmur on Wed, 05 August 2015, 11:24:43
Show Image
Snapped a couple of pics and did my best to get accurate colors in Lightroom.
Packing problems. As you can see, of my two sets, the one that was stacked on top is in perfect order.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/532/19679337983_99971fb4e3_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vYZKyK)
GMK Triumph Adler Keycaps (https://flic.kr/p/vYZKyK) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
Ready to go on a Noppoo EC108-Pro. I was pleasantly surprised by how nice they look on a more modern board with such a low-profile bezel.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/472/19677681774_4fe0e7f0c9_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vYRgeq)
Noppoo with Triumph Adler (https://flic.kr/p/vYRgeq) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
That looks absolutely fantastic on the noppoo, wow.
Post by: dakuzo on Wed, 05 August 2015, 11:34:47
(http://i.imgur.com/QHggXVM.jpg) (http://imgur.com/QHggXVM)
No damage/scratches luckily, but I think I prefer bagged keycaps now.
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 05 August 2015, 11:43:35
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 05 August 2015, 12:08:12
I receieved my 2 sets today, shipped in the same box. The bottom set was pretty scattered, but all the keys were still in the clamshell with no damage. The top set was perfect. This suggests that the cases are meant to be stacked. I think the weight of the keys against the thin plastic of the clamshell bottom just caused the snaps to separate and allowed things to move around freely. Having another set underneath to brace the bottom of the clamshell, though, kept my top set intact.
If Massdrop had put the clamshell in the box upside-down (and if the couriers honored "this side up"), I'm pretty sure all the single sets would've arrived fine. I don't know if anyone else other than Massdrop would have anticipated this either, but you'd think companies who ship things for a living would have some way to verify good packing, maybe shipping themselves a test package or something.
Same with mine. Both of mine were a bit scattered but safely inside the box at least. It definitely seemed like the two boxes stacked made it more secure.
(http://i.imgur.com/NvHyO0i.jpg)
Post by: blighty on Wed, 05 August 2015, 12:34:00
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The mod colors turned out great!
Post by: ATXTider on Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:06:45
:thumb:
(Attachment Link)
The mod colors turned out great!
dat beige filco :eek:
Post by: blighty on Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:13:50
:thumb:
(Attachment Link)
The mod colors turned out great!
dat beige filco :eek:
;D It makes a great phantom case, no?
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:14:14
the keys were not happy to be in that box, and a bunch of the keys are scratched up
it shows up especially bad on the dark bits
fortunately i don't care enough to get mad about it, cause this filco looks ****in baller
i wish GMK shipped them in plastic bags over cases, honestly
live and learn i guess
Post by: blighty on Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:24:05
Post by: njbair on Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:36:30
I had to use a knife to cut the tape off one side to open my tray. Some of us got lucky?
My tape was fast in place and super hard to remove. But the clamshell still separated in the middle enough for things to shift around on the bottom set.
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:38:44
Post by: inanis on Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:39:08
(http://i.imgur.com/nE5MBUP.jpg)
As far as I can tell there is only one key that got scratched; a 1.25u Windows key. It isn't enough to bother me. Or at least, I'm not going to let it bother me.
Post by: njbair on Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:39:54
Empirical evidence suggests that we, the buyers, are at fault for our caps arriving is such disarray. Those that bought 2 sets don't seem to be having many problems. Ergo, we should have bought 2 sets ;D
Why buy one, when you can buy two at twice the price?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:40:24
Empirical evidence suggests that we, the buyers, are at fault for our caps arriving is such disarray. Those that bought 2 sets don't seem to be having many problems. Ergo, we should have bought 2 sets ;D
I'm excited to see what my 3 sets will look like. ;D
Post by: inanis on Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:41:24
Empirical evidence suggests that we, the buyers, are at fault for our caps arriving is such disarray. Those that bought 2 sets don't seem to be having many problems. Ergo, we should have bought 2 sets ;D
I'm excited to see what my 3 sets will look like. ;D
Show off. :p
Post by: njbair on Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:42:35
Empirical evidence suggests that we, the buyers, are at fault for our caps arriving is such disarray. Those that bought 2 sets don't seem to be having many problems. Ergo, we should have bought 2 sets ;D
I'm excited to see what my 3 sets will look like. ;D
Probably teal, like all of us peasants.
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:01:15
Mine totally fell out of the tray:MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/nE5MBUP.jpg)
As far as I can tell there is only one key that got scratched; a 1.25u Windows key. It isn't enough to bother me. Or at least, I'm not going to let it bother me.
Might have something to do with how it was packaged as well. Yours seem to be just sitting on top of some bubble mailers. The box I received was wrapped in green air packaging. (http://i.imgur.com/ri059RJ.jpg)
Post by: inanis on Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:04:38
Yeah, there was no green packaging in there at all. There were a few of the bubble things on top, but not enough to stop everything from moving about. It didn't help that the mail guy put the box standing up vertical against side of my house. Gravity kind of just took over. As an added bonus, we had massive storms here yesterday. The box was soaking wet and smelled like old milk. It was super gross! Not MD fault about the rain and/or cardboard smell, but it didn't help my unboxing experience any.Mine totally fell out of the tray:MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/nE5MBUP.jpg)
As far as I can tell there is only one key that got scratched; a 1.25u Windows key. It isn't enough to bother me. Or at least, I'm not going to let it bother me.
Might have something to do with how it was packaged as well. Yours seem to be just sitting on top of some bubble mailers. The box I received was wrapped in green air packaging.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ri059RJ.jpg)
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:12:21
Yeah, there was no green packaging in there at all. There were a few of the bubble things on top, but not enough to stop everything from moving about. It didn't help that the mail guy put the box standing up vertical against side of my house. Gravity kind of just took over. As an added bonus, we had massive storms here yesterday. The box was soaking wet and smelled like old milk. It was super gross! Not MD fault about the rain and/or cardboard smell, but it didn't help my unboxing experience any.Mine totally fell out of the tray:MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/nE5MBUP.jpg)
As far as I can tell there is only one key that got scratched; a 1.25u Windows key. It isn't enough to bother me. Or at least, I'm not going to let it bother me.
Might have something to do with how it was packaged as well. Yours seem to be just sitting on top of some bubble mailers. The box I received was wrapped in green air packaging.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ri059RJ.jpg)
Oh man that blows. At least you came out mostly OK. Do we know if they all ship from the same place? Seems weird that they would use different packaging at the same warehouse. Mine shipped from New Jersey I believe.
edit: I just went back and looked at Engicoder's pics and he had the same green air packaging I did and his were still a mess. I guess I ran into a bit of luck with my shipment. Or ordering 2 really did make it more secure.
Post by: dakuzo on Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:17:12
Yeah, there was no green packaging in there at all. There were a few of the bubble things on top, but not enough to stop everything from moving about. It didn't help that the mail guy put the box standing up vertical against side of my house. Gravity kind of just took over. As an added bonus, we had massive storms here yesterday. The box was soaking wet and smelled like old milk. It was super gross! Not MD fault about the rain and/or cardboard smell, but it didn't help my unboxing experience any.Mine totally fell out of the tray:Might have something to do with how it was packaged as well. Yours seem to be just sitting on top of some bubble mailers. The box I received was wrapped in green air packaging.MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/nE5MBUP.jpg)
As far as I can tell there is only one key that got scratched; a 1.25u Windows key. It isn't enough to bother me. Or at least, I'm not going to let it bother me.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ri059RJ.jpg)
Haha I found my box posted vertically as well. I also had no green bubble wrap. Seems like the way to go was to order at least 2 sets to get better packaging and a higher chance of the caps staying inside their trays.
Post by: zenless on Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:45:32
Post by: cjhard on Wed, 05 August 2015, 16:11:23
The teal is a tad deeper than I'd imagined. I think if I can ever afford a computer, I'll get something with a decent screen :p
Post by: strict on Wed, 05 August 2015, 16:24:31
(https://i.imgur.com/3vXEshD.jpg)
All keys accounted for
(https://i.imgur.com/JTfjx15.jpg)
Thanks for all your hard work intelli! Love them!
Post by: trizkut on Wed, 05 August 2015, 17:14:29
(http://i.imgur.com/pmpWHUP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/0BAx1Rc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/pyAPIvr.jpg)
Colors aren't great because there isn't a lot of light on my balcony right now.. Stacking them kept the caps in the box, but it didn't prevent them from bouncing around. As you can see, there's minimal tape on the sides of the cases, and minimal force can separate the two halves.
I just did a quick pass-over (I just got home a few minutes ago), and I saw at least one 1.25 alt modifier that got scratched.. Pretty annoyed to be honest.
Post by: trizkut on Wed, 05 August 2015, 17:41:28
Tried to get a shot of one of the scratches... I guess I should feel lucky that the damage was minimized due to reduced travel since the keys never flew out of the case. :blank:
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Wed, 05 August 2015, 17:47:52
>:D I'm going to be a sad panda if ****ty shipping scratches up this one of a kind set for most of the participants. Sorry for your keys trizkut :'(Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/awpYpM1.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pmpWHUP.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0BAx1Rc.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pyAPIvr.jpg)
Colors aren't great because there isn't a lot of light on my balcony right now.. Stacking them kept the caps in the box, but it didn't prevent them from bouncing around. As you can see, there's minimal tape on the sides of the cases, and minimal force can separate the two halves.
I just did a quick pass-over (I just got home a few minutes ago), and I saw at least one 1.25 alt modifier that got scratched.. Pretty annoyed to be honest.
Post by: HelixDan on Wed, 05 August 2015, 18:32:37
Gotta give the apt. concierge at least an hour or so to sort the packages... stay tuned..
Hi,
I asked to DHL for my TA shipping status, and DHL told me he did not received your package.
what happen? and why some one enjoyed it the keycaps and you did not send my package?
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 05 August 2015, 18:33:27
Gotta give the apt. concierge at least an hour or so to sort the packages... stay tuned..
Hi,
I asked to DHL for my TA shipping status, and DHL told me he did not received your package.
what happen? and why some one enjoyed it the keycaps and you did not send my package?
I already responded to your PM. I am not Massdrop, I am not shipping the packages. You need to contact them: https://www.massdrop.com/support
Post by: exitfire401 on Wed, 05 August 2015, 18:38:46
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/awpYpM1.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pmpWHUP.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0BAx1Rc.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pyAPIvr.jpg)
Colors aren't great because there isn't a lot of light on my balcony right now.. Stacking them kept the caps in the box, but it didn't prevent them from bouncing around. As you can see, there's minimal tape on the sides of the cases, and minimal force can separate the two halves.
I just did a quick pass-over (I just got home a few minutes ago), and I saw at least one 1.25 alt modifier that got scratched.. Pretty annoyed to be honest.
Mine came in the same condition, but no scratches on my set luckily.
Post by: beehatch on Wed, 05 August 2015, 18:53:26
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jEqzRw3.jpg)
Tried to get a shot of one of the scratches... I guess I should feel lucky that the damage was minimized due to reduced travel since the keys never flew out of the case. :blank:
I made an album of all my scratches!
http://imgur.com/a/G1LTL#0
lol
Post by: exitfire401 on Wed, 05 August 2015, 18:55:18
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jEqzRw3.jpg)
Tried to get a shot of one of the scratches... I guess I should feel lucky that the damage was minimized due to reduced travel since the keys never flew out of the case. :blank:
I made an album of all my scratches!
http://imgur.com/a/G1LTL#0
lol
It looks like yours were packaged by Edward Scissorhands.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 05 August 2015, 19:09:00
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jEqzRw3.jpg)
Tried to get a shot of one of the scratches... I guess I should feel lucky that the damage was minimized due to reduced travel since the keys never flew out of the case. :blank:
I made an album of all my scratches!
http://imgur.com/a/G1LTL#0
lol
Wow...
you had to make an album...
How hard is it to use a bit more tape, MD?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 05 August 2015, 19:13:10
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jEqzRw3.jpg)
Tried to get a shot of one of the scratches... I guess I should feel lucky that the damage was minimized due to reduced travel since the keys never flew out of the case. :blank:
I made an album of all my scratches!
http://imgur.com/a/G1LTL#0
lol
Jesus, those are the worst scratches I've ever seen on keycaps. :( This sucks for everyone.
Post by: unoab on Wed, 05 August 2015, 19:16:06
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb385/unoab/keyboards/keycaps/DSC04871.jpg)
Also it is probably due to the way custom colors are mixed for injection molded plastics, but it seems some keys can have very uneven coloration that looks like color swirls or water damage, like my shift key:
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb385/unoab/keyboards/keycaps/DSC04874.jpg)
Post by: luckyryan333 on Wed, 05 August 2015, 19:21:19
Post by: beehatch on Wed, 05 August 2015, 19:26:40
Most of the scratches/scuffs I felt rubbed off on my set, just a gentle rubbing with a fingernail took off the white marks from the other keys, but did anyone else get 1.5u Alt caps that look like there was a mold issue on the front side of the caps? It is the same on both caps, so it appears like it was a mold problem (just looked through and it looks like beehatch had the same thing on the alt keys in her album).Show Image(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb385/unoab/keyboards/keycaps/DSC04871.jpg)
Also it is probably due to the way custom colors are mixed for injection molded plastics, but it seems some keys can have very uneven coloration that looks like color swirls or water damage, like my shift key:Show Image(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb385/unoab/keyboards/keycaps/DSC04874.jpg)
Yep same thing on my alt keys. Lovely.
The only one that super bothers me is the N key, because it's facing towards me.. and I can see it. Mind you it was worse (a straight white line through the legend), but you're seeing the after pictures where I rubbed it with my fingernail as you mentioned.
I'm not even bothering with the other keys.
I'm super pleased with the keyset itself, but at the same kinda sad, because I'm not the only one obviously who has beat up keys.
Post by: inanis on Wed, 05 August 2015, 19:32:35
Post by: unoab on Wed, 05 August 2015, 19:51:06
The only one that super bothers me is the N key, because it's facing towards me.. and I can see it. Mind you it was worse (a straight white line through the legend), but you're seeing the after pictures where I rubbed it with my fingernail as you mentioned.
Yea, that one would bug me a lot too, hopefully Massdrop did what I would expect any responsible vendor to do and order a few spare sets to cover issues like your "N" or stuff that would be less prevalent, like missing keys or other odd issues.
Post by: justnits on Wed, 05 August 2015, 20:07:15
any blue mod key. just curious about how different the colour is
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 05 August 2015, 20:09:09
i wonder if anyone who has TA and Raindrop (R1 or R2), can put them up side by side and snap a picture?
any blue mod key. just curious about how different the colour is
I can when my TA comes in if no one has by then. :thumb:
Post by: beehatch on Wed, 05 August 2015, 20:35:49
i wonder if anyone who has TA and Raindrop (R1 or R2), can put them up side by side and snap a picture?
any blue mod key. just curious about how different the colour is
beep beep
(http://i.imgur.com/Gq7P68o.jpg)
Post by: HelixDan on Wed, 05 August 2015, 20:54:16
Gotta give the apt. concierge at least an hour or so to sort the packages... stay tuned..
Hi,
I asked to DHL for my TA shipping status, and DHL told me he did not received your package.
what happen? and why some one enjoyed it the keycaps and you did not send my package?
I already responded to your PM. I am not Massdrop, I am not shipping the packages. You need to contact them: https://www.massdrop.com/support
Thank you
Post by: bueller on Wed, 05 August 2015, 21:10:08
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 05 August 2015, 21:27:19
God damn I'm going to be ****ed off if these show up scratched to ****.I hope not :( that would suck for you especially since you are in Australia
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 05 August 2015, 21:34:30
I'm leaning toward Massdrop.
Looking at beehatch's album FULL of scratches I seriously think something needs to be done about this. This is completely unacceptable.
What to do about it? I have no idea, but I think nothing short of a full refund from Massdrop without sending the sets back seems in order
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 05 August 2015, 21:39:22
God damn I'm going to be ****ed off if these show up scratched to ****.Precisely my fear, here in Brazil. :(
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 05 August 2015, 21:44:45
I'm obviously perturbed because I don't want people to receive scratched keys, or to initially see the set scattered in a box. I chose the trays because I thought they'd solve sorting and shipping woes. In the future, I'll choose presorted plastic bags unless there is a redesign of the trays.
Sorry to all who are having trouble. Please contact Massdrop if you have any keys that need to be replaced.
Post by: Den441 on Wed, 05 August 2015, 22:01:15
i wonder if anyone who has TA and Raindrop (R1 or R2), can put them up side by side and snap a picture?
any blue mod key. just curious about how different the colour is
beep beepShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Gq7P68o.jpg)
Awesome pic, it is my understanding that the original TA sets looked similar to Raindrop when they were new using something like GMK V4 and N5 for the blues. Same blues as the ones on the TA typewriter caps that did not age to the teal colors like the ones on cherry boards. If I had a raindrop set I would switch out the mods every now and then to see how the new TA sets may have looked back in the early 90s. Maybe you could do that and snap a pic sometime!
Post by: bueller on Wed, 05 August 2015, 22:07:09
Post by: motherbrain on Wed, 05 August 2015, 22:12:17
Post by: njbair on Wed, 05 August 2015, 22:12:19
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 05 August 2015, 22:16:39
I made an album of all my scratches!
http://imgur.com/a/G1LTL#0
lol
God damn! Sorry to see that.
Post by: Eziak on Wed, 05 August 2015, 22:26:21
God damn I'm going to be ****ed off if these show up scratched to ****.I'm really apprehensive to see the state of my set tomorrow when it gets delivered. I don't know who's to blame, but hopefully there will be compensation if the keys are damaged.
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 06 August 2015, 00:26:23
Some of these "scratches" are straight up gouges. Hopefully Massdrop makes good on this for you all...IME they are good about fixing mistakes, even if they aren't the best at not making them in the first place.
Hmmm not so sure about that considering every time I have had a problem they told me to email the manufacturer.
Their lack of credibility is astonishing.
I wonder if they are going to tell people to email GMK about this
Post by: skuko on Thu, 06 August 2015, 01:23:20
Post by: Nai_Calus on Thu, 06 August 2015, 01:26:57
Post by: henz on Thu, 06 August 2015, 02:59:14
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 06 August 2015, 03:26:50
The funny thing about this is that we euro***s dont know when it shows up at our doorstep, as after dhl, they send it out by normal mail. and we dont get a tracking number.It will never arrive at my doorstep, only a letter telling me to go to customs. :-X
At least in Germany you get precise tracking using DHL as they are part of DeutschePost.
Post by: jackiecanev2 on Thu, 06 August 2015, 07:18:24
Anyone else's ship facedown?
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/06/11eaf53168c0d25cecdf7306aff7c671.jpg)
Sigh. Off to see if they're scratched after their face-down journey with UPS...
Edit: Damn. The first thing I grabbed were the spacebars and they're ALL scuffed to hell.
Post by: jackiecanev2 on Thu, 06 August 2015, 07:40:30
Most of the scratches/scuffs I felt rubbed off on my set, just a gentle rubbing with a fingernail took off the white marks from the other keys, but did anyone else get 1.5u Alt caps that look like there was a mold issue on the front side of the caps? It is the same on both caps, so it appears like it was a mold problem (just looked through and it looks like beehatch had the same thing on the alt keys in her album).Show Image(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb385/unoab/keyboards/keycaps/DSC04871.jpg)
Also it is probably due to the way custom colors are mixed for injection molded plastics, but it seems some keys can have very uneven coloration that looks like color swirls or water damage, like my shift key:Show Image(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb385/unoab/keyboards/keycaps/DSC04874.jpg)
Yep same thing on my alt keys. Lovely.
The only one that super bothers me is the N key, because it's facing towards me.. and I can see it. Mind you it was worse (a straight white line through the legend), but you're seeing the after pictures where I rubbed it with my fingernail as you mentioned.
I'm not even bothering with the other keys.
I'm super pleased with the keyset itself, but at the same kinda sad, because I'm not the only one obviously who has beat up keys.
All of my R5 1.5u mods have really, really gnarly sprue marks on the... N-face(?), and the ALTs have the indentation across the upper margin of the S-facing side. Having a hard time getting a post that isn't extra-potato, though. I guess I'll break out the camera later.
Thanks, intelli, for all your work (scratches or not, this colorway is damn good IMO).
And thanks, MD, for giving me a serious case of TA blueballs.
Post by: strict on Thu, 06 August 2015, 07:43:58
Post by: cjhard on Thu, 06 August 2015, 07:47:59
And thanks, MD, for giving me a serious case of TA tealballs.FTFY
Post by: njbair on Thu, 06 August 2015, 07:49:27
So, my tray was placed into the shipping box FACE-EFFING-DOWN (assuming that the side with the shipping labels is up); the plastic carton has tape on it, but it isn't actually stuck to anything. Considering that the bottom tray contains the mold and the top tray is flat, I don't think they ever really had a chance.
Anyone else's ship facedown?Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/06/11eaf53168c0d25cecdf7306aff7c671.jpg)
Sigh. Off to see if they're scratched after their face-down journey with UPS...
Edit: Damn. The first thing I grabbed were the spacebars and they're ALL scuffed to hell.
I believe face down would be the safer way to ship these, since the bottom tray has no bottom support and the weight of the keys would push it down if suspended over air.
Of course, that's all assuming the courier keeps the thing right-side-up the whole time, which they really can't be expected to do unless the package is clearly marked as "fragile, this side up."
I think the real fix would have been something like packing peanuts which are much more form-fitting and would have braced the bottom. This air packing stuff is cheaper, but it has limitations.
Post by: jackiecanev2 on Thu, 06 August 2015, 08:46:18
So, my tray was placed into the shipping box FACE-EFFING-DOWN (assuming that the side with the shipping labels is up); the plastic carton has tape on it, but it isn't actually stuck to anything. Considering that the bottom tray contains the mold and the top tray is flat, I don't think they ever really had a chance.
Anyone else's ship facedown?Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/06/11eaf53168c0d25cecdf7306aff7c671.jpg)
Sigh. Off to see if they're scratched after their face-down journey with UPS...
Edit: Damn. The first thing I grabbed were the spacebars and they're ALL scuffed to hell.
I believe face down would be the safer way to ship these, since the bottom tray has no bottom support and the weight of the keys would push it down if suspended over air.
Of course, that's all assuming the courier keeps the thing right-side-up the whole time, which they really can't be expected to do unless the package is clearly marked as "fragile, this side up."
I think the real fix would have been something like packing peanuts which are much more form-fitting and would have braced the bottom. This air packing stuff is cheaper, but it has limitations.
I was thinking the opposite: gravity would at least reduce lateral movement within the bottom tray during movement, whereas keys laying on the top of the tray would just leave them to slide around at will.
In the end, it doesn't appear that it makes much of a difference, after seeing how many people are opening their boxes with keys strewn about.
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 06 August 2015, 10:32:32
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jEqzRw3.jpg)
Tried to get a shot of one of the scratches... I guess I should feel lucky that the damage was minimized due to reduced travel since the keys never flew out of the case. :blank:
I made an album of all my scratches!
http://imgur.com/a/G1LTL#0
lol
Wow that's awful!
I feel really sorry for you :(
I will pick up my set from the customs office next week. This is hoping I somehow got lucky and my keys aren't scratched...
Post by: Polymer on Thu, 06 August 2015, 10:43:57
Oh well...at least we all know...shipping tray = no bueno..
Post by: ShardZer0 on Thu, 06 August 2015, 10:45:06
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jEqzRw3.jpg)
Tried to get a shot of one of the scratches... I guess I should feel lucky that the damage was minimized due to reduced travel since the keys never flew out of the case. :blank:
I made an album of all my scratches!
http://imgur.com/a/G1LTL#0
lol
Damn, that's some gnarly scratches!
Post by: azhdar on Thu, 06 August 2015, 10:47:36
When on the Granite drop they messed up some of the international legends and forgot caps, we got them remade after a little while for no extra cost.
Post by: trizkut on Thu, 06 August 2015, 10:48:51
You guys should seriously contact MD to complain about the damage on the caps, you bought new caps not damaged one.
When on the Granite drop they messed up some of the international legends and forgot caps, we got them remade after a little while for no extra cost.
Several of us have already emailed support, and posted horror stories in the discussion thread. I haven't received any response from support yet, and they haven't made any public statement yet either in the discussion.
Post by: azhdar on Thu, 06 August 2015, 10:57:21
You guys should seriously contact MD to complain about the damage on the caps, you bought new caps not damaged one.
When on the Granite drop they messed up some of the international legends and forgot caps, we got them remade after a little while for no extra cost.
Several of us have already emailed support, and posted horror stories in the discussion thread. I haven't received any response from support yet, and they haven't made any public statement yet either in the discussion.
People that haven't send yet have to do, they are at the stage where they collect the complains and then will get back to everyone once they decide how to proceed, at least that's how they did it for Granites. It took a while but it was done.
GL.
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Thu, 06 August 2015, 11:00:34
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 06 August 2015, 11:03:56
More
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That's the first report of a missing/incorrect set.
Post by: beehatch on Thu, 06 August 2015, 11:22:53
It looks like someone got an enter key instead of a left shift.MoreShow Image(https://d3jqoivu6qpygv.cloudfront.net/img_comment/8AWUDH_20150806_085446_NJ1I8.png)
That's the first report of a missing/incorrect set.
Well that's an interesting one.
Post by: Eziak on Thu, 06 August 2015, 12:00:16
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Thu, 06 August 2015, 12:19:58
package instead of the post office."The moment of truth. Did my set make it? Will I cry from all the scratches? Is my set incomplete? Find out on the next episode of Dragon Ball Z.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 06 August 2015, 12:34:41
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 06 August 2015, 12:53:02
Just got mine, they were all over the box and some are scratched. What can they even do to compensate us? They don't just have tons of these sets sitting around.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwf9k0DiYh1ql5yr7o1_500.gif)
Hopefully that's an exaggeration, but I'll be pissed if I decide I don't like the set and have to sell it at a loss because it's scratched to hell.
Post by: Eziak on Thu, 06 August 2015, 12:58:23
They're not all bad, but they are definitely some that have noticeable scratches if you look at them. Some of the extra caps that I'm not using have weird marks are the front of them that are consistent with some marks that other people have shown. There might have been something wrong with one of the molds for the bigger alt keys. It's just ridiculous that we spent so much on a set of keycaps and they show up scattered all over the box. My set even had air packets all around the clamshell case, and they still spilled everywhere. Which makes me lean to this being more of a GMK problem, as it was not a poorly packed package.Just got mine, they were all over the box and some are scratched. What can they even do to compensate us? They don't just have tons of these sets sitting around.Show Image(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwf9k0DiYh1ql5yr7o1_500.gif)
Hopefully that's an exaggeration, but I'll be pissed if I decide I don't like the set and have to sell it at a loss because it's scratched to hell.
Post by: henz on Thu, 06 August 2015, 13:04:50
Post by: trizkut on Thu, 06 August 2015, 13:05:01
They're not all bad, but they are definitely some that have noticeable scratches if you look at them. Some of the extra caps that I'm not using have weird marks are the front of them that are consistent with some marks that other people have shown. There might have been something wrong with one of the molds for the bigger alt keys. It's just ridiculous that we spent so much on a set of keycaps and they show up scattered all over the box. My set even had air packets all around the clamshell case, and they still spilled everywhere. Which makes me lean to this being more of a GMK problem, as it was not a poorly packed package.Just got mine, they were all over the box and some are scratched. What can they even do to compensate us? They don't just have tons of these sets sitting around.Show Image(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwf9k0DiYh1ql5yr7o1_500.gif)
Hopefully that's an exaggeration, but I'll be pissed if I decide I don't like the set and have to sell it at a loss because it's scratched to hell.
Just because there were air packets in there doesn't mean it was well packed. They don't impede movement, they just soften the blows of bouncing inside of the box.
Post by: inanis on Thu, 06 August 2015, 13:17:58
.... My set even had air packets all around the clamshell case, and they still spilled everywhere. Which makes me lean to this being more of a GMK problem, as it was not a poorly packed package.
I seem to be in the minority in this, but I really believe this is a problem on Massdrop's side. GMK packaged up the sets exactly as they were asked, and they arrived at MD (presumably) correctly and without issue. That means GMK did their job. They were asked to put them in trays, and they did. It is MD's responsibility to then package up the sets per individual order. They picked a box that was too big, and didn't put in enough packaging material. The could have used peanuts, or foam or SOMETHING. They could have used more tape, or a smaller box. They could abandoned the trays all together once the realized it was going to be a problem. But they did none of those things.
Even though my keys were scattered all over the box, I can see only one visible scratch at this point. And really I can only see it if I'm looking for it. I'm not going to let that detract from a set that I really like. I do think MD should learn from this though...this stuff needed to be packed up better on their side.
Post by: skycrimes on Thu, 06 August 2015, 13:28:28
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 06 August 2015, 13:59:31
It seems to me that anytime MassDrop is involved we always see **** like this. I cant count how many threads turn into "look how ****ed up my **** is" that were handled by them. I really think we as a community need to re-evaluate our relationship with MD because this kind of non-sense just keeps happening.
Strict, I completely agree with what you said about the relationship being reevaluated. It seems like every time I use Massdrop they always manage to screw something up, whether it be poor estimations, poor shipping, poor communication, etc. I do not understand why the community trust them to run stuff for our community. The only positives I see are the larger audience enabling more things to hit MOQ and a warehouse for volume shipping. I really liked the idea of Massdrop initially. It seemed like a great way for others to get involved in the group buy running community. However because of poor execution and what seems like straight up greed, they have turned into a company I can no longer support. 90% of the stuff they run as drops is garbage. They are exploiting this niche hobby because of its popularity increase in the general population. I constantly ask myself who wants to buy this garbage.. I just don't understand why Geekhack as a community would want to allow Massdrop to infiltrate this wonderful niche hobby with low quality mass produced crap.
On a more positive note, from the pictures so far I think Intelli made a great choice in the colors. My set should arrive in the next day or two, hopefully in the case and scratch free... which I doubt.. I don't really buy into the whole "you need a color calibrated monitor" to understand the real color, but I will say that the amount and color of light shown on the keys really does change how it appears. In some pictures its a vibrant teal, in others a dull blue. Either way job well done and thank you.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 06 August 2015, 14:11:36
GMK's trays should at least have the top overlap and seal all sides of the bottom tray. Tape that up on 2 or 4 sides, and you're good to go. It would be even better if the top tray had horizontal guiding rails to prevent keys from jumping around.
MD should not be using packed air as a "blanket" for the trays. I've seen them use it as filler space before on larger shipping boxes, but it doesn't help when your product punctures a packed air pocket. It just causes the item to freely bounce around inside the larger shipping box.
To properly use packed/sealed air, it should always be used as SIDE/WALL SUPPORT, and never placed on the top/bottom of the box. Sealed air is especially effective when double boxing, with sealed air placed densely around the perimeter of the smaller box inside. To properly re-ship those GMK trays, each tray would require tightly wrapped bubble wrap/foam. You would then need to find a proper sized box (would be best if low profile, almost the same size as the GMK trays, but MD isn't going to custom order boxes for that) and fill it densely with closed cell foam.
Alternatively, just ask GMK to remake the Cherry China trays...Problem solved. Pack them in small retail cardboard boxes, and none of this would have happened.
(http://puu.sh/jpn6l/2b2083db51.jpg)
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 06 August 2015, 14:12:59
It seems to me that anytime MassDrop is involved we always see **** like this. I cant count how many threads turn into "look how ****ed up my **** is" that were handled by them. I really think we as a community need to re-evaluate our relationship with MD because this kind of non-sense just keeps happening.
Strict, I completely agree with what you said about the relationship being reevaluated. It seems like every time I use Massdrop they always manage to screw something up, whether it be poor estimations, poor shipping, poor communication, etc. I do not understand why the community trust them to run stuff for our community. The only positives I see are the larger audience enabling more things to hit MOQ and a warehouse for volume shipping. I really liked the idea of Massdrop initially. It seemed like a great way for others to get involved in the group buy running community. However because of poor execution and what seems like straight up greed, they have turned into a company I can no longer support. 90% of the stuff they run as drops is garbage. They are exploiting this niche hobby because of its popularity increase in the general population. I constantly ask myself who wants to buy this garbage.. I just don't understand why Geekhack as a community would want to allow Massdrop to infiltrate this wonderful niche hobby with low quality mass produced crap.
I think I've been fairly vocal in this thread an others about my love-hate relationship with MD. The issue is that Geekhack "the community" has a much worse GB track record than even MD. We have a couple of awesome GB organizers (off the top of my head: Ivan, Bunny and Shadovved) a bunch of mediocre ones, and a healthy dose of straight up horrific ones. The sad part is, outside the few established players you take a big risk with GBs on here, and as MD is an established company your overall risk is reduced.
I think Bunny is doing amazing things with [CTRL]ALT, but even he is beholden to his suppliers, and he's hampered by the lack of big capital.
Frankly I wish there was a way to capture all the good of a community-first company like [CTRL]ALT combined with the resources and buying power of a Massdrop.
Post by: Spopepro on Thu, 06 August 2015, 14:31:45
Also, I think MD might not be packing things themselves. Didn't the message from GMK say "ready for MD's agents to pick up the shipment"? Does MD run their own warehouse or do the contract logistics and fulfillment with a 3rd party? It might make reconciling the problems more difficult.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 06 August 2015, 14:34:08
Yeah, cash flow is why MD.
Also, I think MD might not be packing things themselves. Didn't the message from GMK say "ready for MD's agents to pick up the shipment"? Does MD run their own warehouse or do the contract logistics and fulfillment with a 3rd party? It might make reconciling the problems more difficult.
MD used to ship items themselves, but now it's all done in a 3rd party fulfillment center in NJ.
Post by: beehatch on Thu, 06 August 2015, 14:37:59
As an experienced shipper, both GMK and MD are at fault (more so MD).
GMK's trays should at least have the top overlap and seal all sides of the bottom tray. Tape that up on 2 or 4 sides, and you're good to go. It would be even better if the top tray had horizontal guiding rails to prevent keys from jumping around.
MD should not be using packed air as a "blanket" for the trays. I've seen them use it as filler space before on larger shipping boxes, but it doesn't help when your product punctures a packed air pocket. It just causes the item to freely bounce around inside the larger shipping box.
To properly use packed/sealed air, it should always be used as SIDE/WALL SUPPORT, and never placed on the top/bottom of the box. Sealed air is especially effective when double boxing, with sealed air placed densely around the perimeter of the smaller box inside. To properly re-ship those GMK trays, each tray would require tightly wrapped bubble wrap/foam. You would then need to find a proper sized box (would be best if low profile, almost the same size as the GMK trays, but MD isn't going to custom order boxes for that) and fill it densely with closed cell foam.
Alternatively, just ask GMK to remake the Cherry China trays...Problem solved. Pack them in small retail cardboard boxes, and none of this would have happened.Show Image(http://puu.sh/jpn6l/2b2083db51.jpg)
Those Cherry China trays are super cool...
Post by: njbair on Thu, 06 August 2015, 14:39:51
Yeah, cash flow is why MD.
Also, I think MD might not be packing things themselves. Didn't the message from GMK say "ready for MD's agents to pick up the shipment"? Does MD run their own warehouse or do the contract logistics and fulfillment with a 3rd party? It might make reconciling the problems more difficult.
MD used to ship items themselves, but now it's all done in a 3rd party fulfillment center in NJ.
So GMK makes the caps, and another company actually ships them to the customer. So then, Massdrop, I have to ask...
(http://i.imgur.com/OffEJTR.gif)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 06 August 2015, 14:41:28
Yeah, cash flow is why MD.
Also, I think MD might not be packing things themselves. Didn't the message from GMK say "ready for MD's agents to pick up the shipment"? Does MD run their own warehouse or do the contract logistics and fulfillment with a 3rd party? It might make reconciling the problems more difficult.
MD used to ship items themselves, but now it's all done in a 3rd party fulfillment center in NJ.
So GMK makes the caps, and another company actually ships them to the customer. So then, Massdrop, I have to ask...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OffEJTR.gif)
Sales.
Post by: inanis on Thu, 06 August 2015, 14:46:17
So GMK makes the caps, and another company actually ships them to the customer. So then, Massdrop, I have to ask...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OffEJTR.gif)
Don't you understand! They are good with people!
Only, really not so much.
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 06 August 2015, 14:50:44
MD used to ship items themselves, but now it's all done in a 3rd party fulfillment center in NJ.
I had wondered why everything was starting to ship out of NJ instead of the west coast...
With someone else doing all the packing and shipping it also explains why they're on this insane shoestring budget and their recent push to ratchet up the number of active group buys.
Post by: njbair on Thu, 06 August 2015, 14:56:51
MD used to ship items themselves, but now it's all done in a 3rd party fulfillment center in NJ.
I had wondered why everything was starting to ship out of NJ instead of the west coast...
With someone else doing all the packing and shipping it also explains why they're on this insane shoestring budget and their recent push to ratchet up the number of active group buys.
Actually it was probably a cost-cutting measure. Using a fulfillment center means they're not paying for warehouse property or shipping staff salaries. They only pay for the warehouse time they use. The downside is, Massdrop presumably loses quality control, and I think that's what we saw here.
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 06 August 2015, 15:09:05
Actually it was probably a cost-cutting measure. Using a fulfillment center means they're not paying for warehouse property or shipping staff salaries. They only pay for the warehouse time they use. The downside is, Massdrop presumably loses quality control, and I think that's what we saw here.
Oh I'm sure that's they're looking at it. There's always that middle ground where outsourcing certain operations makes more sense until you're even larger. But the interesting thing is that they outsourced one of the least expensive things. They still have their 6+ person engineering staff (which baffles me) and a bevy of different "buyers". My personal monday morning qb take on it would have been to outsource the engineering and double down on logistics (and this from someone in the software industry).
I think Massdrop is seriously confused what their core competencies should be.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 06 August 2015, 15:38:30
Actually it was probably a cost-cutting measure. Using a fulfillment center means they're not paying for warehouse property or shipping staff salaries. They only pay for the warehouse time they use. The downside is, Massdrop presumably loses quality control, and I think that's what we saw here.
Oh I'm sure that's they're looking at it. There's always that middle ground where outsourcing certain operations makes more sense until you're even larger. But the interesting thing is that they outsourced one of the least expensive things. They still have their 6+ person engineering staff (which baffles me) and a bevy of different "buyers". My personal monday morning qb take on it would have been to outsource the engineering and double down on logistics (and this from someone in the software industry).
I think Massdrop is seriously confused what their core competencies should be.
What sort of engineering do they have? Presumably just software for the website, but I'm curious if there are others as well (maybe they're attempting to bridge into the design world?).
Outsourcing shipping makes sense until something like this happens. I suspect the warehouse wasn't aware of the precautions needed, and Massdrop wasn't aware of the potential issue because it likely wasn't brought up. One of the two corporations is going to take a big hit financially on this, and it will be interesting to see where things go moving forward.
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 06 August 2015, 15:54:37
What sort of engineering do they have? Presumably just software for the website, but I'm curious if there are others as well (maybe they're attempting to bridge into the design world?).
I'm sure there's the website and an internal system for the buyers plus there's an analytics person on staff (all this is from linked in). And the fact that they're a SF company makes it worse as they have > $100k locked up in each and every one of them.
Not to mention the awkward fact that their website is a total **** show.
Outsourcing shipping makes sense until something like this happens. I suspect the warehouse wasn't aware of the precautions needed, and Massdrop wasn't aware of the potential issue because it likely wasn't brought up. One of the two corporations is going to take a big hit financially on this, and it will be interesting to see where things go moving forward.
Yeah, I really wish I could be a fly on the wall for these conversations. A whoooole lot of finger pointing is going be be going on. And I'm sure the 3PL company has an insurance policy in place so they're going to get involved... Oooooh the fireworks!
Post by: digi on Thu, 06 August 2015, 16:04:42
So GMK makes the caps, and another company actually ships them to the customer. So then, Massdrop, I have to ask...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OffEJTR.gif)
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Post by: Air tree on Thu, 06 August 2015, 16:10:18
(http://i.imgur.com/6iPkMWK.gif)So GMK makes the caps, and another company actually ships them to the customer. So then, Massdrop, I have to ask...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OffEJTR.gif)Show Image(http://www.theantimba.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/giphy.gif)
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Thu, 06 August 2015, 16:16:22
I might have to try this on a few different keyboards to figure out where I'm happiest with it, as I've been typing almost exclusively on SA since I got my Hack'd By Geeks & Penumbra sets;typing on Cherry profile feels really weird now - did not expect that :p
Post by: calmfries on Thu, 06 August 2015, 16:29:42
Post by: Den441 on Thu, 06 August 2015, 16:29:48
Actually it was probably a cost-cutting measure. Using a fulfillment center means they're not paying for warehouse property or shipping staff salaries. They only pay for the warehouse time they use. The downside is, Massdrop presumably loses quality control, and I think that's what we saw here.
Oh I'm sure that's they're looking at it. There's always that middle ground where outsourcing certain operations makes more sense until you're even larger. But the interesting thing is that they outsourced one of the least expensive things. They still have their 6+ person engineering staff (which baffles me) and a bevy of different "buyers". My personal monday morning qb take on it would have been to outsource the engineering and double down on logistics (and this from someone in the software industry).
I think Massdrop is seriously confused what their core competencies should be.
Because they are trying too hard imo to fit the "start-up culture" mold when they are not like most other software based Start ups.
I received my set today. Everything was still in the case, but a few keys were out of place. The green bubble wrap was used for mine. I have two noticeable scratches on the keys I used. One is on the "PRT screen" key and the other is on the right windows key. There were a few more scratched keys, but I don't use those. Its not enough to go through the trouble of asking for an entire replacement set for me. I'm sure I'll get over it. It is just a little irritating when unboxing, setting up, and taking pics. I doubt I will notice much during normal use.
The set itself is glorious. I consider myself a huge TA fan. From the first time a saw a pic of it posted here on GH a few years ago, I have always wanted them and thought there was no better looking set. In my opinion, the teal could just be a tad greener, and the grey a tad darker. But that is just nitpicking. I still consider this set to be a perfect TA replica, and I doubt it could have came out better. Overall, I'm satisfied. Thanks again intelli! I hope everyone with serious damage can get some replacements.
Post by: beehatch on Thu, 06 August 2015, 16:38:47
Quote
Hi Morgan,
Thanks for reaching out about this. I'd be happy to let you know that we'd be happy to offer you the following solutions:
A) If you're okay with keeping the set as is, we can partial $10 store credit
B) Otherwise, we can process a return for an exchange for you!
Let me know how you'd prefer to proceed.
Best,
Aaron
Oh boy, $10 credit!
I guess I'll do the return and exchange option then.
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 06 August 2015, 16:40:31
Post by: mason on Thu, 06 August 2015, 16:41:47
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Post by: beehatch on Thu, 06 August 2015, 16:42:16
Uhhhh... how many extra sets did they buy. I sure hope it's a whole lot. :rolleyes:
I'm wondering if the replacement set will come damaged :D
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 06 August 2015, 16:43:01
Watch it be packed exactly the same and end up with scratches once more.QuoteHi Morgan,
Thanks for reaching out about this. I'd be happy to let you know that we'd be happy to offer you the following solutions:
A) If you're okay with keeping the set as is, we can partial $10 store credit
B) Otherwise, we can process a return for an exchange for you!
Let me know how you'd prefer to proceed.
Best,
Aaron
Oh boy, $10 credit!
I guess I'll do the return and exchange option then.
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 06 August 2015, 16:44:16
Here's how mine came
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QUICK! GO BUY A LOTTERY TICKET!
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 06 August 2015, 16:44:42
The set itself is glorious. I consider myself a huge TA fan. From the first time a saw a pic of it posted here on GH a few years ago, I have always wanted them and thought there was no better looking set. In my opinion, the teal could just be a tad greener, and the grey a tad darker. But that is just nitpicking. I still consider this set to be a perfect TA replica, and I doubt it could have came out better. Overall, I'm satisfied. Thanks again intelli! I hope everyone with serious damage can get some replacements.
Glad you guys like it! I am totally confident that the teal is the closest match in the entire Pantone color library. I think it looks exactly right in low/indoor light, and maybe a *tad* bluer and more vivid than the canonical pics in direct sunlight. However it's undoubtedly TA and I am extremely happy with the outcome.
As for the gray, I do agree it could be slightly darker. This was a case where the color chip gives a different impression than the finished, sculpted keycaps, I think because of the surface area ratio of the alphas to the mods, and also the way the edges of the keycaps catch light - it makes the caps give off a brighter impression than the true color of them. They're certainly grayer than they appear in a lot of user pics where they're overexposed and blown out to full white, but yeah, could be grayer. So if there is a chance for a R2, I'll darken the alphas slightly.
But like you said, these are minor complaints. I am overall really happy with the results. Bummer about the shipping woes, but I am confident everyone will be taken care of in the end.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 06 August 2015, 16:47:33
Glad you guys like it! I am totally confident that the teal is the closest match in the entire Pantone color library. I think it looks exactly right in low/indoor light, and maybe a *tad* bluer and more vivid than the canonical pics in direct sunlight. However it's undoubtedly TA and I am extremely happy with the outcome.
As for the gray, I do agree it could be slightly darker. This was a case where the color chip gives a different impression than the finished, sculpted keycaps, I think because of the surface area ratio of the alphas to the mods, and also the way the edges of the keycaps catch light - it makes the caps give off a brighter impression than the true color of them. They're certainly grayer than they appear in a lot of user pics where they're overexposed and blown out to full white, but yeah, could be grayer. So if there is a chance for a R2, I'll darken the alphas slightly.
But like you said, these are minor complaints. I am overall really happy with the results. Bummer about the shipping woes, but I am confident everyone will be taken care of in the end.
Please, please, please let there be one. I'm so bummed I missed this (I remember seeing it on Massdrop but I just started browsing that site and didn't realize the gold I had struck) and would love to avoid paying aftermarket gouges.
Post by: beehatch on Thu, 06 August 2015, 16:47:41
Watch it be packed exactly the same and end up with scratches once more.QuoteHi Morgan,
Thanks for reaching out about this. I'd be happy to let you know that we'd be happy to offer you the following solutions:
A) If you're okay with keeping the set as is, we can partial $10 store credit
B) Otherwise, we can process a return for an exchange for you!
Let me know how you'd prefer to proceed.
Best,
Aaron
Oh boy, $10 credit!
I guess I'll do the return and exchange option then.
This is why I asked them if they were going to take steps to assure me this set will not come damaged as well. Such as...more secure shipping practices.
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 06 August 2015, 17:00:27
(http://i.imgur.com/tW14xVDh.jpg)
Still have to open them up and do a inspection.
Post by: beehatch on Thu, 06 August 2015, 17:06:20
I got lucky. Both my sets looked like this.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tW14xVDh.jpg)
Still have to open them up and do a inspection.
Glad to hear some more arrived unscathed :thumb:
Post by: Lastpilot on Thu, 06 August 2015, 17:17:29
(http://i.imgur.com/71Om5Oc.jpg)
Post by: Joey Quinn on Thu, 06 August 2015, 17:32:19
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 06 August 2015, 17:35:52
Until you open the box your keys are both completely intact, and in total disarray...
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 06 August 2015, 17:43:13
QuoteHi Morgan,
Thanks for reaching out about this. I'd be happy to let you know that we'd be happy to offer you the following solutions:
A) If you're okay with keeping the set as is, we can partial $10 store credit
B) Otherwise, we can process a return for an exchange for you!
Let me know how you'd prefer to proceed.
Best,
Aaron
Oh boy, $10 credit!
I guess I'll do the return and exchange option then.
:facepalm:
They better not make you pay return shipping.
There wasn't a single cap in my tray, they were spread out all over the box. A few scratched and a few have noticeably inconsistent color. Love the set but I can't say I'm thrilled.
Nooooooooooooo :'(
Triumph Adler: Schrödinger's Keyset
Until you open the box your keys are both completely intact, and in total disarray...
:)) Unfortunately this is all too accurate.
Post by: Jason_IRL on Thu, 06 August 2015, 17:56:24
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 06 August 2015, 17:56:59
I got lucky. Both my sets looked like this.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tW14xVDh.jpg)
Still have to open them up and do a inspection.
Oh no! Three caps fell out of your top box!
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 06 August 2015, 18:13:41
I'm missing a second windows key... Other than that, I love the set!
Definitely write to Massdrop about this!!
I got lucky. Both my sets looked like this.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tW14xVDh.jpg)
Still have to open them up and do a inspection.
Oh no! Three caps fell out of your top box!
It looks like they shuffled left, underneath the caution sticker. Odd.
Post by: archer on Thu, 06 August 2015, 18:23:15
http://imgur.com/sBAnD7v
I don't mind the colors at all.. There grey almost reminds me of the old Round 4 Retro alphas
Post by: cjhard on Thu, 06 August 2015, 18:35:24
Any plans for a ISO-DE next round? :P
Btw, I sure am glad this isn't the TA everyone fell in love with:
(http://i.imgur.com/ZNb0UAwm.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/ZNb0UAw.jpg)
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 06 August 2015, 18:45:32
I got lucky. Both my sets looked like this.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tW14xVDh.jpg)
Still have to open them up and do a inspection.
Oh no! Three caps fell out of your top box!
It looks like they shuffled left, underneath the caution sticker. Odd.
They could of shifted, but the way the dividers are I think they were packaged that way.
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 06 August 2015, 18:47:02
intelli, would you kindly post comparison photoshoot between your authentic TA and GMK TA? I went back to the pictures I have saved, and the teal actually looks dead-on, I just remembered it lighter in my brainmeat. I do quite like the gray as-is, even if the pictures of authentic TA painted it a step or two darker.
Any plans for a ISO-DE next round? :P
Would be happy to, however the authentic set is in a different state right now. Remind me next month...
To level with you, it is extremely unlikely that we'll see any GMK region-specific ISO kits whatsoever, in any set, any time soon. It just doesn't work with their current MOQs. I got a lot of flack about this, especially from Deskthority, but it's not something I'm making up to oppress our euro-friends across the pond. If you make keys for one locale, you pretty much have to make them for the rest. You can't sell them individually, because they'll never hit MOQ. You can't sell them together because people aren't going to pay $100+ for a mega-ISO kit that they only need 1/10 of the keys from. It's just an economic non-starter...
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 06 August 2015, 18:49:55
Btw, I sure am glad this isn't the TA everyone fell in love with:
(http://i.imgur.com/ZNb0UAwm.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/ZNb0UAw.jpg)
My genuine set looks a lot like that. The colors really aren't that nice in person, and my alphas are way yellowed. That's why we had to give up on the idea of color matching.
However, the rumor about that particular board is that it's a "German secret police" board with similar colors, not actually TA. I've no idea if that's true, but I have never seen any TA boards with that type of connector.
If anybody is interested in TA "lore", check this thread. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70454.0
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 06 August 2015, 18:50:10
MoreIt looks like they shuffled left, underneath the caution sticker. Odd.I'm missing a second windows key... Other than that, I love the set!
Definitely write to Massdrop about this!!I got lucky. Both my sets looked like this.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tW14xVDh.jpg)
Still have to open them up and do a inspection.
Oh no! Three caps fell out of your top box!
I saw that, I was just trying to freak them out for a second.
Post by: Blackehart on Thu, 06 August 2015, 18:55:00
Missing two keys >:D
(http://i.imgur.com/OO2u0WG.jpg)
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 06 August 2015, 18:55:43
There wasn't a single cap in my tray, they were spread out all over the box. A few scratched and a few have noticeably inconsistent color. Love the set but I can't say I'm thrilled.
Thought I read this on another comment as well, or maybe on r/mk, is this normal? I thought GMK is the rolls Royce of caps?
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 06 August 2015, 19:00:10
Boom!
Missing two keys >:DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/OO2u0WG.jpg)
Did you check under all the flaps in the box?
Post by: Joey Quinn on Thu, 06 August 2015, 19:01:19
Idk but all three BSP/Gateron/Plum? sets look much cleaner and had better QC.There wasn't a single cap in my tray, they were spread out all over the box. A few scratched and a few have noticeably inconsistent color. Love the set but I can't say I'm thrilled.
Thought I read this on another comment as well, or maybe on r/mk, is this normal? I thought GMK is the rolls Royce of caps?
Post by: romevi on Thu, 06 August 2015, 19:07:02
I thought BSP was.There wasn't a single cap in my tray, they were spread out all over the box. A few scratched and a few have noticeably inconsistent color. Love the set but I can't say I'm thrilled.
Thought I read this on another comment as well, or maybe on r/mk, is this normal? I thought GMK is the rolls Royce of caps?
Post by: cjhard on Thu, 06 August 2015, 19:13:09
Btw, I sure am glad this isn't the TA everyone fell in love with:
(http://i.imgur.com/ZNb0UAwm.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/ZNb0UAw.jpg)
My genuine set looks a lot like that. The colors really aren't that nice in person, and my alphas are way yellowed. That's why we had to give up on the idea of color matching.
However, the rumor about that particular board is that it's a "German secret police" board with similar colors, not actually TA. I've no idea if that's true, but I have never seen any TA boards with that type of connector.
If anybody is interested in TA "lore", check this thread. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70454.0
I can almost understand it being "not actually TA", the LED legend/cover is bordered in Gray, where authentic TA uses Ollivetti blue like the one in this photo, right next to the TA Dario 286:
(http://i.imgur.com/YOE2ynfm.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/YOE2ynf.jpg)
Regardless of purpose, the gray on those original alphas don't consistently age beautifully.
Post by: Blackehart on Thu, 06 August 2015, 19:15:32
Boom!
Missing two keys >:DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/OO2u0WG.jpg)
Did you check under all the flaps in the box?
Tore the box apart. Nothing.
Post by: vindaon on Thu, 06 August 2015, 19:23:23
I gotta say, I only bought this set cause of the hype. Thought the preview photos were decent, but not mind blowing. But seeing these caps in person, I've changed my mind, they look amazing up close.
Post by: Data on Thu, 06 August 2015, 19:27:17
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 06 August 2015, 19:28:03
What was the final group buy price on these? Anyone remember?
$99.99
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 06 August 2015, 19:30:32
Mine came in today and looks like I'm one of the lucky ones. A few keys out of place but not nearly as messy as some others, and no scratches.
I gotta say, I only bought this set cause of the hype. Thought the preview photos were decent, but not mind blowing. But seeing these caps in person, I've changed my mind, they look amazing up close.
That makes me SO happy to hear! :) Enjoy!!
Post by: Data on Thu, 06 August 2015, 19:43:00
What was the final group buy price on these? Anyone remember?
$99.99
Thanks. That's a lot lower than I expected for a GMK set.
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 06 August 2015, 19:44:51
Thanks. That's a lot lower than I expected for a GMK set.
It was the lowest price for a full GMK set to date. :thumb:
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 06 August 2015, 20:42:35
Got two sets, both of them all out of whack. One for me, one for someone I was proxying. And my wife took these pics; I'm out of town till next Wednesday. I can't ask her to search for scratches or missing keys.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/06/55dd00c408219905154a91b0cf65e5c3.jpg)
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/06/20040aa38a557ad8b424f18c7c9eda5b.jpg)
So now what do I do? Return them both? Combine the good parts for the proxy and wait for a replacement for myself? Send them on as-is? What a freaking pain in the butt.
If I wait until I can get home and inspect them, will MD be out of extras?
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:03:07
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/0b2067fdfea0cafe2cde5d912d63248e/tumblr_mr7jfnFjbF1s5ttogo1_r2_400.gif)
So this is how my set arrived, complete with bent and bashed in box. As I heard the UPS guy toss it (not place it) on the ground, I knew I was ****ed since I heard a clatter of keys. And phone photos because why waste taking good shots on cluster****ery:
(http://i.imgur.com/q7s40wo.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/wQBzmLv.jpg)
I think all my caps are there, but I'm not sure. I do know that I had several caps with scratches. The scratches weren't major, most on the sides and backs of the caps, but one blank cap had scratches on the face. The GMK QC wasn't too hot either as a ton of my caps had flashing on the bottom and I noticed that the alphas have some weirdness going on in their color. They're not a solid color and seem to have some swirling going on in them. I feel like a couple of caps also had some color bleed through in spots from the darker undercolor. And maybe I'm crazy, but I feel like the plastic feels like a lighter, cheaper, less dense plastic than GMK usually is.
Here's the result of carefully checking the caps and putting them back in the tray:
(http://i.imgur.com/pUE4SGA.jpg)
Probably going to sell the set.
Post by: njbair on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:08:45
Well, this is a little awkward.
Got two sets, both of them all out of whack. One for me, one for someone I was proxying. And my wife took these pics; I'm out of town till next Wednesday. I can't ask her to search for scratches or missing keys.Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/06/55dd00c408219905154a91b0cf65e5c3.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/06/20040aa38a557ad8b424f18c7c9eda5b.jpg)
So now what do I do? Return them both? Combine the good parts for the proxy and wait for a replacement for myself? Send them on as-is? What a freaking pain in the butt.
If I wait until I can get home and inspect them, will MD be out of extras?
Awkward, indeed. I doubt you discussed this contingency ahead of time before agreeing to proxy. Communicate early and often. But remember this is not your fault and this is how they would have come to your principal had they received them directly.
The only fair outcome is that Massdrop makes good on both sets. If one is good and the other is bad (or if one good set can be pieced together from the two), I say keep it and let the principal know he'll have to wait. At least that seems fair enough to me.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:09:34
TA cluster****ery confirmedShow Image(http://38.media.tumblr.com/0b2067fdfea0cafe2cde5d912d63248e/tumblr_mr7jfnFjbF1s5ttogo1_r2_400.gif)
So this is how my set arrived, complete with bent and bashed in box. As I heard the UPS guy toss it (not place it) on the ground, I knew I was ****ed since I heard a clatter of keys. And phone photos because why waste taking good shots on cluster****ery:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/q7s40wo.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wQBzmLv.jpg)
I think all my caps are there, but I'm not sure. I do know that I had several caps with scratches. The scratches weren't major, most on the sides and backs of the caps, but one blank cap had scratches on the face. The GMK QC wasn't too hot either as a ton of my caps had flashing on the bottom and I noticed that the alphas have some weirdness going on in their color. They're not a solid color and seem to have some swirling going on in them. I feel like a couple of caps also had some color bleed through in spots from the darker undercolor. And maybe I'm crazy, but I feel like the plastic feels like a lighter, cheaper, less dense plastic than GMK usually is.
Here's the result of carefully checking the caps and putting them back in the tray:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pUE4SGA.jpg)
Probably going to sell the set.
I would just try to contact Massdrop to get another.
You have a better chance at getting a set in better condition and can still sell that if you're not happy. Just my two cents though.
The condition it showed up in though is bull****.
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:14:50
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:16:49
MoreTA cluster****ery confirmedShow Image(http://38.media.tumblr.com/0b2067fdfea0cafe2cde5d912d63248e/tumblr_mr7jfnFjbF1s5ttogo1_r2_400.gif)
So this is how my set arrived, complete with bent and bashed in box. As I heard the UPS guy toss it (not place it) on the ground, I knew I was ****ed since I heard a clatter of keys. And phone photos because why waste taking good shots on cluster****ery:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/q7s40wo.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wQBzmLv.jpg)
I think all my caps are there, but I'm not sure. I do know that I had several caps with scratches. The scratches weren't major, most on the sides and backs of the caps, but one blank cap had scratches on the face. The GMK QC wasn't too hot either as a ton of my caps had flashing on the bottom and I noticed that the alphas have some weirdness going on in their color. They're not a solid color and seem to have some swirling going on in them. I feel like a couple of caps also had some color bleed through in spots from the darker undercolor. And maybe I'm crazy, but I feel like the plastic feels like a lighter, cheaper, less dense plastic than GMK usually is.
Here's the result of carefully checking the caps and putting them back in the tray:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pUE4SGA.jpg)
Probably going to sell the set.
I would just try to contact Massdrop to get another.
You have a better chance at getting a set in better condition and can still sell that if you're not happy. Just my two cents though.
The condition it showed up in though is bull****.
I'm not sure I'll get a set in better condition. There were only three really scratched caps I noticed, two scratched on the side, one on the top. The main issue is the weird coloration on the alphas. I want to know if others who look closely at their caps see the same thing I'm talking about. It's like when you mix paint and it's not quite fully mixed. For example, it looks something like this:
(http://cdn3.craftsy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/withwhite.jpg)
I mean, it's not noticeable from typing distance, but when you look at the cap it's pretty noticeable.
I'm just more annoyed with the condition it arrived in. I'll definitely be contacting MD, but not sure what I'm going to do.
I wonder if it's certain types of plastic / certain color mixes that let more light through, in combination with certain molds? I'm just thinking of the more recent keycaps, like CMYK and similar. The yellow/black shift caps that had some LED light bleed-through, and for example a yellow+cyan Esc keycap has a fair amount of LED light showing through the cap. All of my vintage cream/beige with black legends GMK caps don't have this issue.
It definitely could be. I never noticed anything with the caps from Ivan's GBs, but the caps have a much different feel to them from this buy.
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:21:02
Post by: trizkut on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:23:36
TA cluster****ery confirmedShow Image(http://38.media.tumblr.com/0b2067fdfea0cafe2cde5d912d63248e/tumblr_mr7jfnFjbF1s5ttogo1_r2_400.gif)
So this is how my set arrived, complete with bent and bashed in box. As I heard the UPS guy toss it (not place it) on the ground, I knew I was ****ed since I heard a clatter of keys. And phone photos because why waste taking good shots on cluster****ery:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/q7s40wo.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wQBzmLv.jpg)
I think all my caps are there, but I'm not sure. I do know that I had several caps with scratches. The scratches weren't major, most on the sides and backs of the caps, but one blank cap had scratches on the face. The GMK QC wasn't too hot either as a ton of my caps had flashing on the bottom and I noticed that the alphas have some weirdness going on in their color. They're not a solid color and seem to have some swirling going on in them. I feel like a couple of caps also had some color bleed through in spots from the darker undercolor. And maybe I'm crazy, but I feel like the plastic feels like a lighter, cheaper, less dense plastic than GMK usually is.
Here's the result of carefully checking the caps and putting them back in the tray:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pUE4SGA.jpg)
Probably going to sell the set.
I would just try to contact Massdrop to get another.
You have a better chance at getting a set in better condition and can still sell that if you're not happy. Just my two cents though.
The condition it showed up in though is bull****.
The thing is, no one knows if they actually have that many extra sets, or are just going to repackage these 'returned' sets and pass them off as replacements. I'm still getting radio silence from support. Even just a "we've acknowledged that there have been problems with the TA shipments, and we are working to rectify this as we figure out just how many people were affected" would be nice.
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:28:01
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Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:29:48
P.S.: quick snap:
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Ah, I was talking about color bleed without backlighting. It seems like a couple of the caps appear to have some color variation or bleed from the undercolor.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:32:07
It's not like they have enough sets to replace all these caps.
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:33:58
Post by: njbair on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:35:39
I thought they were offering $10 or just letting people return?
It's not like they have enough sets to replace all these caps.
$10. Wow. I hope that's not really true.
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:37:01
Oh sorry, yeah, I agree that this poor color mixing is a new thing. I was thinking of a few people who mentioned earlier about these TA caps being made with thinner molds or made of different plastic or some other theory that made them less opaque to LEDs and thus seemingly lower quality.
Nah, the molds seem to be the same, but I do think the plastic on the teal is different. The alphas are the ones with the weird not fully mixed paint look to them though.
I thought they were offering $10 or just letting people return?
It's not like they have enough sets to replace all these caps.
$10. Wow. I hope that's not really true.
That's the quote beehatch posted earlier.
Post by: Lastpilot on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:37:23
I wonder if it's certain types of plastic / certain color mixes that let more light through, in combination with certain molds? I'm just thinking of the more recent keycaps, like CMYK and similar. The yellow/black shift caps that had some LED light bleed-through, and for example a yellow+cyan Esc keycap has a fair amount of LED light showing through the cap. All of my vintage cream/beige with black legends GMK caps don't have this issue.I've had this problem too. My CMYW and windowed blanks have light bleed. However, my Olivetti set from 2013 does not.
Edit: I wonder if it was a consequence of GMK lowering their MOQ? Aka, less costs spent to justify smaller batches.
Post by: beehatch on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:41:47
QuoteHi Morgan,
Thanks for reaching out about this. I'd be happy to let you know that we'd be happy to offer you the following solutions:
A) If you're okay with keeping the set as is, we can partial $10 store credit
B) Otherwise, we can process a return for an exchange for you!
Let me know how you'd prefer to proceed.
Best,
Aaron
Oh boy, $10 credit!
I guess I'll do the return and exchange option then.
Again, this is what MD support said to me. I too am curious what they are going to do about the sets that are being returned. I really already contemplated them selling the "damaged" sets or rehashing them out. Hell, I'm wondering if they have enough sets to even compensate this gross mistake. Just a really terrible situation.
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:48:09
I am just amazed at how they pay a company to professionally ship things, yet they don't know how to use the proper shipping materials.QuoteHi Morgan,
Thanks for reaching out about this. I'd be happy to let you know that we'd be happy to offer you the following solutions:
A) If you're okay with keeping the set as is, we can partial $10 store credit
B) Otherwise, we can process a return for an exchange for you!
Let me know how you'd prefer to proceed.
Best,
Aaron
Oh boy, $10 credit!
I guess I'll do the return and exchange option then.
Again, this is what MD support said to me. I too am curious what they are going to do about the sets that are being returned. I really already contemplated them selling the "damaged" sets or rehashing them out. Hell, I'm wondering if they have enough sets to even compensate this gross mistake. Just a really terrible situation.
Post by: beehatch on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:49:10
Quote
Hi Morgan,
I cannot guarantee that there will be, but rest assured the majority of our units did not suffer the defects that you mention, so most likely your case was an individual anomaly.
Here is a prepaid shipping label for you to return the unit back to us: ---
Once we process your return we'll ship out an exchange!
Let me know if this is okay with you :)
Cheers,
Aaron
I asked this:
Quote
Thanks for the reply.
I would like to do the return and exchange option. However, will there be some kind of reassurance that the replacement set will not come damaged? Will there be better, more secure packaging?
-Morgan
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:51:04
They assumed those trays were made for shipping.I am just amazed at how they pay a company to professionally ship things, yet they don't know how to use the proper shipping materials.QuoteHi Morgan,
Thanks for reaching out about this. I'd be happy to let you know that we'd be happy to offer you the following solutions:
A) If you're okay with keeping the set as is, we can partial $10 store credit
B) Otherwise, we can process a return for an exchange for you!
Let me know how you'd prefer to proceed.
Best,
Aaron
Oh boy, $10 credit!
I guess I'll do the return and exchange option then.
Again, this is what MD support said to me. I too am curious what they are going to do about the sets that are being returned. I really already contemplated them selling the "damaged" sets or rehashing them out. Hell, I'm wondering if they have enough sets to even compensate this gross mistake. Just a really terrible situation.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:51:09
QuoteHi Morgan,
Thanks for reaching out about this. I'd be happy to let you know that we'd be happy to offer you the following solutions:
A) If you're okay with keeping the set as is, we can partial $10 store credit
B) Otherwise, we can process a return for an exchange for you!
Let me know how you'd prefer to proceed.
Best,
Aaron
Oh boy, $10 credit!
I guess I'll do the return and exchange option then.
Again, this is what MD support said to me. I too am curious what they are going to do about the sets that are being returned. I really already contemplated them selling the "damaged" sets or rehashing them out. Hell, I'm wondering if they have enough sets to even compensate this gross mistake. Just a really terrible situation.
I had a similar "exchange" email with Massdrop on another product.
Purchased a headphone stand, and one of two arrived in poor condition out of the box. I emailed them and they offered to exchange and reimburse me shipping to ship it back to their offices in Cali.
Once they receive the defective unit, they have their warehouse in NJ ship a "new" replacement item, free of charge.
-a week or two later-
I unbox the headphone stand and the replacement arrived in worse condition (factory defect). I send them an email saying how they didn't even bother to QC an item ahead of time prior to sending the replacement. Also asked if they wanted to perform another exchange, and they say that it's not economical for them to ask for it back and reimburse shipping, so they'll just refund the whole transaction (1 headphone stand+shipping) and told me to keep it.
I wouldn't be surprised if something similar were to happen with these TA sets.
Post by: trizkut on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:51:49
Just got this reply:QuoteHi Morgan,
I cannot guarantee that there will be, but rest assured the majority of our units did not suffer the defects that you mention, so most likely your case was an individual anomaly.
Here is a prepaid shipping label for you to return the unit back to us: ---
Once we process your return we'll ship out an exchange!
Let me know if this is okay with you :)
Cheers,
Aaron
I asked this:QuoteThanks for the reply.
I would like to do the return and exchange option. However, will there be some kind of reassurance that the replacement set will not come damaged? Will there be better, more secure packaging?
-Morgan
How can they know the majority didn't have defects? This implies they knowingly shipped damaged goods, or are just pulling stuff out of their ass.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:53:16
That last part sounds about right.Just got this reply:QuoteHi Morgan,
I cannot guarantee that there will be, but rest assured the majority of our units did not suffer the defects that you mention, so most likely your case was an individual anomaly.
Here is a prepaid shipping label for you to return the unit back to us: ---
Once we process your return we'll ship out an exchange!
Let me know if this is okay with you :)
Cheers,
Aaron
I asked this:QuoteThanks for the reply.
I would like to do the return and exchange option. However, will there be some kind of reassurance that the replacement set will not come damaged? Will there be better, more secure packaging?
-Morgan
How can they know the majority didn't have defects? This implies they knowingly shipped damaged goods, or are just pulling stuff out of their ass.
But they sold over 1,000 sets right? So looking at the percentages probably isn't so bad.
Post by: beehatch on Thu, 06 August 2015, 21:58:10
Just got this reply:QuoteHi Morgan,
I cannot guarantee that there will be, but rest assured the majority of our units did not suffer the defects that you mention, so most likely your case was an individual anomaly.
Here is a prepaid shipping label for you to return the unit back to us: ---
Once we process your return we'll ship out an exchange!
Let me know if this is okay with you :)
Cheers,
Aaron
I asked this:QuoteThanks for the reply.
I would like to do the return and exchange option. However, will there be some kind of reassurance that the replacement set will not come damaged? Will there be better, more secure packaging?
-Morgan
How can they know the majority didn't have defects? This implies they knowingly shipped damaged goods, or are just pulling stuff out of their ass.
I would bet money that he said that little statement to "reassure" me. We'll see when I get that replacement set lol.
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 06 August 2015, 22:01:16
Post by: njbair on Thu, 06 August 2015, 22:03:47
Just got this reply:QuoteHi Morgan,
I cannot guarantee that there will be, but rest assured the majority of our units did not suffer the defects that you mention, so most likely your case was an individual anomaly.
Here is a prepaid shipping label for you to return the unit back to us: ---
Once we process your return we'll ship out an exchange!
Let me know if this is okay with you :)
Cheers,
Aaron
I asked this:QuoteThanks for the reply.
I would like to do the return and exchange option. However, will there be some kind of reassurance that the replacement set will not come damaged? Will there be better, more secure packaging?
-Morgan
How can they know the majority didn't have defects? This implies they knowingly shipped damaged goods, or are just pulling stuff out of their ass.
I would bet money that he said that little statement to "reassure" me. We'll see when I get that replacement set lol.
If he guaranteed better packaging, that's tantamount to admitting they were poorly packaged to begin with. I believe that's what they're trying to avoid here. I'm 100% sure your replacement set will not be packaged the same way.
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 06 August 2015, 22:16:52
(http://i.imgur.com/DWdg9h5.jpg)
Source thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3g2pzt/isis_this_the_legendary_gmk_quality/).
Also, the mismatched bottom profile bothers me more than it should. It's definitely noticeable. The angle is also too extreme and is not pleasant.
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 06 August 2015, 22:17:43
Just got this reply:QuoteHi Morgan,
I cannot guarantee that there will be, but rest assured the majority of our units did not suffer the defects that you mention, so most likely your case was an individual anomaly.
Here is a prepaid shipping label for you to return the unit back to us: ---
Once we process your return we'll ship out an exchange!
Let me know if this is okay with you :)
Cheers,
Aaron
I asked this:QuoteThanks for the reply.
I would like to do the return and exchange option. However, will there be some kind of reassurance that the replacement set will not come damaged? Will there be better, more secure packaging?
-Morgan
Lol good luck with that
Massdrop are probably just gonna screw you even more
Post by: bueller on Thu, 06 August 2015, 22:25:33
Also, the mismatched bottom profile bothers me more than it should. It's definitely noticeable. The angle is also too extreme and is not pleasant.
This will probably be the thing that gets me to sell my set.
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 06 August 2015, 22:27:36
Also, the mismatched bottom profile bothers me more than it should. It's definitely noticeable. The angle is also too extreme and is not pleasant.
This will probably be the thing that gets me to sell my set.
Yup. I also don't remember it being part of the IC. I remember there were a few changes from the "final" from the IC and the GB that I didn't notice until after I paid. That bottom row is just a mess and feels like ****. You really notice the difference and it sucks on the arrow keys. Maybe if you had a more severe angle on the board it would feel better, but not on a standard board.
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 06 August 2015, 22:29:38
This was in the ICAlso, the mismatched bottom profile bothers me more than it should. It's definitely noticeable. The angle is also too extreme and is not pleasant.
This will probably be the thing that gets me to sell my set.
Yup. I also don't remember it being part of the IC. I remember there were a few changes from the "final" from the IC and the GB that I didn't notice until after I paid. That bottom row is just a mess and feels like ****. You really notice the difference and it sucks on the arrow keys. Maybe if you had a more severe angle on the board it would feel better, but not on a standard board.
Post by: bueller on Thu, 06 August 2015, 22:31:40
Post by: njbair on Thu, 06 August 2015, 22:36:59
Are the alphas as white as they appear in all the shots?
They're not white.
I posted this pic a few days ago, I'll repost it for the sake of this discussion:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/472/19677681774_4fe0e7f0c9_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vYRgeq)
Noppoo with Triumph Adler (https://flic.kr/p/vYRgeq) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
I did my best to make this pic color-accurate. Against the true white of the case you can see that they are indeed gray. But it's a pretty light gray, and I think a lot of cameras mistake it for white. I had to really tune this image to get accurate tones, but hopefully it gives you a good idea of what to expect.
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 06 August 2015, 22:37:25
This was in the ICAlso, the mismatched bottom profile bothers me more than it should. It's definitely noticeable. The angle is also too extreme and is not pleasant.
This will probably be the thing that gets me to sell my set.
Yup. I also don't remember it being part of the IC. I remember there were a few changes from the "final" from the IC and the GB that I didn't notice until after I paid. That bottom row is just a mess and feels like ****. You really notice the difference and it sucks on the arrow keys. Maybe if you had a more severe angle on the board it would feel better, but not on a standard board.
JDCarpe's confusion on the profile is something that many others felt (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65724.msg1691362#msg1691362). Throughout the IC, there was talk about A/R5 profile, but it was shown as a standard profile. When it became R5, more than a few people were surprised. I didn't notice the change until after I purchased it.
Are the alphas as white as they appear in all the shots?
It's a light grey, a little darker than some of the practically white greys GMK has.
Post by: bueller on Thu, 06 August 2015, 22:39:21
Are the alphas as white as they appear in all the shots?
They're not white.
I posted this pic a few days ago, I'll repost it for the sake of this discussion:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/472/19677681774_4fe0e7f0c9_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vYRgeq)
Noppoo with Triumph Adler (https://flic.kr/p/vYRgeq) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
I did my best to make this pic color-accurate. Against the true white of the case you can see that they are indeed gray. But it's a pretty light gray, and I think a lot of cameras mistake it for white. I had to really tune this image to get accurate tones, but hopefully it gives you a good idea of what to expect.
Cheers, guess I was just hoping for something closer to the pics on MD. I'll reserve judgement till I get a set in hand though because I know how hard shades of grey are to capture in a photo.
Post by: strict on Thu, 06 August 2015, 23:09:24
Also, the mismatched bottom profile bothers me more than it should. It's definitely noticeable. The angle is also too extreme and is not pleasant.
This will probably be the thing that gets me to sell my set.
Unfortunately I agree with this. The bottom row is a train wreck on a 125 board. I really hoped it wouldn't be noticeable but it totally is. It looks and feels weird. This would have been an otherwise awesome set but this is enough that mine will likely end up for sale. I'm really disappointed there couldn't have been some compromise to get 125 users a consistent bottom row profile.
Post by: bueller on Thu, 06 August 2015, 23:15:39
Also, the mismatched bottom profile bothers me more than it should. It's definitely noticeable. The angle is also too extreme and is not pleasant.
This will probably be the thing that gets me to sell my set.
Unfortunately I agree with this. The bottom row is a train wreck on a 125 board. I really hoped it wouldn't be noticeable but it totally is. It looks and feels weird. This would have been an otherwise awesome set but this is enough that mine will likely end up for sale. I'm really disappointed there couldn't have been some compromise to get 125 users a consistent bottom row profile.
Especially considering the winkeyless users are a massive minority. I'd expect to see lots of complaints on MD once people start realising.
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 06 August 2015, 23:31:08
Also, the mismatched bottom profile bothers me more than it should. It's definitely noticeable. The angle is also too extreme and is not pleasant.
This will probably be the thing that gets me to sell my set.
Unfortunately I agree with this. The bottom row is a train wreck on a 125 board. I really hoped it wouldn't be noticeable but it totally is. It looks and feels weird. This would have been an otherwise awesome set but this is enough that mine will likely end up for sale. I'm really disappointed there couldn't have been some compromise to get 125 users a consistent bottom row profile.
Especially considering the winkeyless users are a massive minority. I'd expect to see lots of complaints on MD once people start realising.
That point was brought up many times. We were told it wouldn't matter and no one would notice.
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 06 August 2015, 23:33:57
Pictures from Reddit showing the swirl and bleed-through issue I was talking about:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DWdg9h5.jpg)
Source thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3g2pzt/isis_this_the_legendary_gmk_quality/).
Also, the mismatched bottom profile bothers me more than it should. It's definitely noticeable. The angle is also too extreme and is not pleasant.
Interesting. It's almost like pearl paint, with particles of color minerals at various densities in a translucent suspension. Would make sense if they used some translucent component to mix with white and gray to result in a more translucent and swirly mixture with insufficient blending.
. . .
Never cared for the A profile. I know it's popular among the "OG" crowd, but I have it on an old Desko set, and I prefer the B profile front row for comfort.
Post by: JustDownloadMoreRAM on Fri, 07 August 2015, 00:03:48
The GMK QC wasn't too hot either as a ton of my caps had flashing on the bottom and I noticed that the alphas have some weirdness going on in their color. They're not a solid color and seem to have some swirling going on in them. I feel like a couple of caps also had some color bleed through in spots from the darker undercolor. And maybe I'm crazy, but I feel like the plastic feels like a lighter, cheaper, less dense plastic than GMK usually is.This times 100. Thanks for linking my thread! If anyone wants a specific shot, I'll get a flash and the tripod out instead of awkwardly holding the camera with a 100mm 1:1 macro lens :)
The flashing, eh, I have a dozen shapes of Xacto knife blades. But it's the swirls in the gray keys that are killing it for me. Most of them have it, but I have way too many with dark swirls or ones that would be visible in daylight from a normal distance. The mods are fine, mostly.
My only experience so far is with a few GMK Escape keys, and I immediately noticed the first TA cap I picked up felt different than the others I have.
I think I will be abandoning this ship until a Round 2 comes around, as much as it sucks...because this set is incredible.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Fri, 07 August 2015, 00:15:37
(http://i.imgur.com/2ZI524r.jpg?1)
Not bad for a long trip to Cali.
I'm inspecting now and i'm actually quite disappointed :/
This being my first GMK set (to arrive) i was excited.
I enjoy the color of this set but that's about it. I though they'd be heavier feeling or feel thicker, but they almost feel like any other cap. Probably just me, but idk.
But my main problem is, as discussed, the color bleed & blending. you can see some color bleed through, and i'm okay with that, but the swirls... that's not okay.
At first i checked the QWERT row that was shifted on arrival, and i thought they were scratches, but then read up on this thread and seems to be the pain, which i find to be worse :|
Most of the white (or whatever color) caps have this noticeable swirl effect on at least one side.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/537/20175457789_07a3246ea5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/wJQuGv)
_DSC1461 (https://flic.kr/p/wJQuGv) by asdfjkl.36 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/51453970@N02/), on Flickr
But then you have caps that have a larger more noticeable dark spot liket his arc that looks like someone did it with a paint brush.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3822/19739372844_5c7c470e1d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/w5irQy)
_DSC1458 (https://flic.kr/p/w5irQy) by asdfjkl.36 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/51453970@N02/), on Flickr
I'll keep the set though, just wish it would have turned out better. Id rather have paid more and waited longer if I wouldnt gotten the great GMK quality i've heard so much about.
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 07 August 2015, 00:20:43
There are more. These are just a few of them
(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/CurtisandCrystal/Curts%20Pcs/Curts%20Keyboards/20150807_004443.jpg)
(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/CurtisandCrystal/Curts%20Pcs/Curts%20Keyboards/20150807_004752.jpg)
(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/CurtisandCrystal/Curts%20Pcs/Curts%20Keyboards/20150807_004844.jpg)
Post by: trizkut on Fri, 07 August 2015, 00:23:33
Well even though my packaging was okay, I didn't escape some scratches and uneven colors on some keys :(
There are more. These are just a few of themShow Image(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/CurtisandCrystal/Curts%20Pcs/Curts%20Keyboards/20150807_004443.jpg)Show Image(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/CurtisandCrystal/Curts%20Pcs/Curts%20Keyboards/20150807_004752.jpg)Show Image(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/CurtisandCrystal/Curts%20Pcs/Curts%20Keyboards/20150807_004844.jpg)
Judging from how your set arrived, this seems to indicate that sets were bouncing around before they even arrived at the fulfillment center too. This just keeps getting better and better.......... (https://geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/cry.gif)
Post by: Polymer on Fri, 07 August 2015, 00:28:22
Unfortunately I agree with this. The bottom row is a train wreck on a 125 board. I really hoped it wouldn't be noticeable but it totally is. It looks and feels weird. This would have been an otherwise awesome set but this is enough that mine will likely end up for sale. I'm really disappointed there couldn't have been some compromise to get 125 users a consistent bottom row profile.
125 isn't the problem...those are still R4 right? So the only difference is between that and the arrow keys..
1.5 are R5 which match the arrows..but not the spacebar....which I think is worse (but standard for Cherry).
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 07 August 2015, 00:31:46
Well even though my packaging was okay, I didn't escape some scratches and uneven colors on some keys :(
There are more. These are just a few of themShow Image(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/CurtisandCrystal/Curts%20Pcs/Curts%20Keyboards/20150807_004443.jpg)Show Image(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/CurtisandCrystal/Curts%20Pcs/Curts%20Keyboards/20150807_004752.jpg)Show Image(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/CurtisandCrystal/Curts%20Pcs/Curts%20Keyboards/20150807_004844.jpg)
Judging from how your set arrived, this seems to indicate that sets were bouncing around before they even arrived at the fulfillment center too. This just keeps getting better and better..........Show Image(https://geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/cry.gif)
Yeah, possibly the scratches. But the bleeding & uneven colors had to be GMK's fault.
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 07 August 2015, 00:46:25
QuoteHi Morgan,
Thanks for reaching out about this. I'd be happy to let you know that we'd be happy to offer you the following solutions:
A) If you're okay with keeping the set as is, we can partial $10 store credit
B) Otherwise, we can process a return for an exchange for you!
Let me know how you'd prefer to proceed.
Best,
Aaron
Oh boy, $10 credit!
I guess I'll do the return and exchange option then.
I'm wondering about this arrangement for overseas orders. Like it would cost me a lot to send a set back to them (silly Aussie OS shipping costs), and for them to ship a set back.
Plus it's 3 to 4 weeks each way. Bleah.
Hopefully my set arrives safely.
Post by: bueller on Fri, 07 August 2015, 00:49:03
QuoteHi Morgan,
Thanks for reaching out about this. I'd be happy to let you know that we'd be happy to offer you the following solutions:
A) If you're okay with keeping the set as is, we can partial $10 store credit
B) Otherwise, we can process a return for an exchange for you!
Let me know how you'd prefer to proceed.
Best,
Aaron
Oh boy, $10 credit!
I guess I'll do the return and exchange option then.
I'm wondering about this arrangement for overseas orders. Like it would cost me a lot to send a set back to them (silly Aussie OS shipping costs), and for them to ship a set back.
Plus it's 3 to 4 weeks each way. Bleah.
Hopefully my set arrives safely.
I'm out. If they arrive scratched or with the swirling bull**** then I just want a refund, I have no faith that this will be resolved to my satisfaction.
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 07 August 2015, 01:08:01
QuoteHi Morgan,
Thanks for reaching out about this. I'd be happy to let you know that we'd be happy to offer you the following solutions:
A) If you're okay with keeping the set as is, we can partial $10 store credit
B) Otherwise, we can process a return for an exchange for you!
Let me know how you'd prefer to proceed.
Best,
Aaron
Oh boy, $10 credit!
I guess I'll do the return and exchange option then.
I'm wondering about this arrangement for overseas orders. Like it would cost me a lot to send a set back to them (silly Aussie OS shipping costs), and for them to ship a set back.
Plus it's 3 to 4 weeks each way. Bleah.
Hopefully my set arrives safely.
I'm out. If they arrive scratched or with the swirling bull**** then I just want a refund, I have no faith that this will be resolved to my satisfaction.
With you on that Bueller
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 07 August 2015, 01:11:22
QuoteHi Morgan,
Thanks for reaching out about this. I'd be happy to let you know that we'd be happy to offer you the following solutions:
A) If you're okay with keeping the set as is, we can partial $10 store credit
B) Otherwise, we can process a return for an exchange for you!
Let me know how you'd prefer to proceed.
Best,
Aaron
Oh boy, $10 credit!
I guess I'll do the return and exchange option then.
I'm wondering about this arrangement for overseas orders. Like it would cost me a lot to send a set back to them (silly Aussie OS shipping costs), and for them to ship a set back.
Plus it's 3 to 4 weeks each way. Bleah.
Hopefully my set arrives safely.
I'm out. If they arrive scratched or with the swirling bull**** then I just want a refund, I have no faith that this will be resolved to my satisfaction.
With you on that Bueller
The swirling doesn't bother me - most of my environments are clouded so I wouldn't notice (unless it was really bad).
Scratches - we'll have to wait and see. This is an epic set, and I like GMK sets, so I'm really hoping I get no scratches, or a few that are not readily visible.
It will be a shame, as this is a great set that has been spoiled for many people by poor shipping.
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 07 August 2015, 01:12:42
QuoteHi Morgan,
Thanks for reaching out about this. I'd be happy to let you know that we'd be happy to offer you the following solutions:
A) If you're okay with keeping the set as is, we can partial $10 store credit
B) Otherwise, we can process a return for an exchange for you!
Let me know how you'd prefer to proceed.
Best,
Aaron
Oh boy, $10 credit!
I guess I'll do the return and exchange option then.
I'm wondering about this arrangement for overseas orders. Like it would cost me a lot to send a set back to them (silly Aussie OS shipping costs), and for them to ship a set back.
Plus it's 3 to 4 weeks each way. Bleah.
Hopefully my set arrives safely.
I'm out. If they arrive scratched or with the swirling bull**** then I just want a refund, I have no faith that this will be resolved to my satisfaction.
With you on that Bueller
The swirling doesn't bother me - most of my environments are clouded so I wouldn't notice (unless it was really bad).
Scratches - we'll have to wait and see. This is an epic set, and I like GMK sets, so I'm really hoping I get no scratches, or a few that are not readily visible.
It will be a shame, as this is a great set that has been spoiled for many people by poor shipping.
Scratches are my number one concern but I gotta say that the colour swirling seems almost as bad after seeing all these photos
Post by: Evo_Spec on Fri, 07 August 2015, 01:54:28
Post by: Poozles on Fri, 07 August 2015, 02:20:08
Quote
Hey everyone,
We want the community to know that we've been reading the discussion and are aware of the poor packaging; rest assured that your disappointment is not going unheard.
We are sorry for any of the keycaps that showed up in anything less than stellar condition. If any of your keycaps are showing up with dings or scratches please reach out to us at https://www.massdrop.com/support so we can help to correct any issues you may be experiencing.
We chose these trays specifically to ensure smooth fulfillment so believe us when we say we’re disappointed and shocked along with the community. We've made it very clear to our fulfillment center that the packaging for these orders was insufficient and have instructed them to package future shipments in smaller boxes and use more appropriate internal packaging techniques. Additionally, we have given our feedback to GMK about the trays and until they are further tested we will avoid using them, reverting back to standard bags for delivery of future GMK orders.
We do have a number of replacement sets on hand for fulfillment issues, and we believe there will be enough extras to accommodate the exchanges.
We want you to know that we’re learning from this experience and will make changes so these issues do not happen again. In the end, this is all about getting you quality keyboard products that you love — and if that’s not happening for any reason, then it’s a problem for us. So do not hesitate to contact support if your set has any damage - we will make things right for you.
Thanks,
Kunal and Alex
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 07 August 2015, 02:38:45
Response from Massdrop about the shipping. Still waiting on mine to get here tomorrow. Fingers crossed.QuoteHey everyone,
We want the community to know that we've been reading the discussion and are aware of the poor packaging; rest assured that your disappointment is not going unheard.
We are sorry for any of the keycaps that showed up in anything less than stellar condition. If any of your keycaps are showing up with dings or scratches please reach out to us at https://www.massdrop.com/support so we can help to correct any issues you may be experiencing.
We chose these trays specifically to ensure smooth fulfillment so believe us when we say we’re disappointed and shocked along with the community. We've made it very clear to our fulfillment center that the packaging for these orders was insufficient and have instructed them to package future shipments in smaller boxes and use more appropriate internal packaging techniques. Additionally, we have given our feedback to GMK about the trays and until they are further tested we will avoid using them, reverting back to standard bags for delivery of future GMK orders.
We do have a number of replacement sets on hand for fulfillment issues, and we believe there will be enough extras to accommodate the exchanges.
We want you to know that we’re learning from this experience and will make changes so these issues do not happen again. In the end, this is all about getting you quality keyboard products that you love — and if that’s not happening for any reason, then it’s a problem for us. So do not hesitate to contact support if your set has any damage - we will make things right for you.
Thanks,
Kunal and Alex
Just saw that - I doubt they have anywhere near enough extras to cover all the scratched sets out there
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Fri, 07 August 2015, 02:42:55
Scratches...that's another subject. Like Bee, scratches on the top of keys are definitely not okay. Other scratches as well, of course.
I just find it funny that MD is like "OOPS, at least we know for next time!"
Post by: whentheclouds on Fri, 07 August 2015, 02:57:48
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 07 August 2015, 03:04:49
as the negative reports continue to pour in, i'm not sure if reselling these caps at cost is even possible. really sad that it's the first time it happened to a GMK product, and to this of all sets. i'm still waiting on mine, and it's akin to knowing that your wife is about to give birth to a deformed baby. nothing you can do but pray that he isn't too ..off, and even if he comes into the world with a crossed eye, crooked teeth and claws for fingers, he's still your child and you hope you'll be able to love him anyway
I get the point that you're trying to make but...dude...it's a set of plastic keycaps.
Post by: Halverson on Fri, 07 August 2015, 03:09:34
as the negative reports continue to pour in, i'm not sure if reselling these caps at cost is even possible. really sad that it's the first time it happened to a GMK product, and to this of all sets. i'm still waiting on mine, and it's akin to knowing that your wife is about to give birth to a deformed baby. nothing you can do but pray that he isn't too ..off, and even if he comes into the world with a crossed eye, crooked teeth and claws for fingers, he's still your child and you hope you'll be able to love him anyway
I get the point that you're trying to make but...dude...it's a set of plastic keycaps.
WHOA. ITS NOT JUST PLASTIC
tis GMK, baby.
Post by: KRKS on Fri, 07 August 2015, 03:18:43
Post by: bueller on Fri, 07 August 2015, 03:22:06
I'm not sure what all of you expected. I mean, it's Massdrop we're talking about here. It should be obvious at this point that something will go wrong when they're involved. And yet all of you still use it.
I've had like 5 other items from them with no issue.
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 07 August 2015, 03:25:50
I'm not sure what all of you expected. I mean, it's Massdrop we're talking about here. It should be obvious at this point that something will go wrong when they're involved. And yet all of you still use it.
I've had like 5 other items from them with no issue.
There has been nothing like this from them before
The only real problem in the past has been delays but that is to be expected with anything related to custom keycaps
Post by: KRKS on Fri, 07 August 2015, 03:39:44
The only real problem in the past has been delays
So wrong capacitors on the Infinity, Keycool numpads working in a different way than advertised, TEX cases shipped without feet, the end of Granite group buy and other stuff like that are imaginary?
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 07 August 2015, 03:40:43
The only real problem in the past has been delays
So wrong capacitors on the Infinity, Keycool numpads working in a different way than advertised, TEX cases shipped without feet, the end of Granite group buy and other stuff like that are imaginary?
Didn't know about those ones :eek:
Post by: henz on Fri, 07 August 2015, 03:43:47
The only real problem in the past has been delays
So wrong capacitors on the Infinity, Keycool numpads working in a different way than advertised, TEX cases shipped without feet, the end of Granite group buy and other stuff like that are imaginary?
Didn't know about those ones :eek:
Dont know about the rest, but granite they reopened after complaints. I for one was able to order when it reopened.
Post by: bueller on Fri, 07 August 2015, 03:57:09
The only real problem in the past has been delays
So wrong capacitors on the Infinity, Keycool numpads working in a different way than advertised, TEX cases shipped without feet, the end of Granite group buy and other stuff like that are imaginary?
Not everyone spends their life following the status of every sale on Massdrop. The only one of those I'd ever heard an issue with was Granite and I was under the impression they resolved that.
Post by: calmfries on Fri, 07 August 2015, 04:02:31
Lots of people haven't receive it, don't forget those international buyers. My set still stuck in Germany. Thanks dhl.That last part sounds about right.Just got this reply:QuoteHi Morgan,
I cannot guarantee that there will be, but rest assured the majority of our units did not suffer the defects that you mention, so most likely your case was an individual anomaly.
Here is a prepaid shipping label for you to return the unit back to us: ---
Once we process your return we'll ship out an exchange!
Let me know if this is okay with you :)
Cheers,
Aaron
I asked this:QuoteThanks for the reply.
I would like to do the return and exchange option. However, will there be some kind of reassurance that the replacement set will not come damaged? Will there be better, more secure packaging?
-Morgan
How can they know the majority didn't have defects? This implies they knowingly shipped damaged goods, or are just pulling stuff out of their ass.
But they sold over 1,000 sets right? So looking at the percentages probably isn't so bad.
Post by: henz on Fri, 07 August 2015, 04:21:57
Lots of people haven't receive it, don't forget those international buyers. My set still stuck in Germany. Thanks dhl.That last part sounds about right.Just got this reply:QuoteHi Morgan,
I cannot guarantee that there will be, but rest assured the majority of our units did not suffer the defects that you mention, so most likely your case was an individual anomaly.
Here is a prepaid shipping label for you to return the unit back to us: ---
Once we process your return we'll ship out an exchange!
Let me know if this is okay with you :)
Cheers,
Aaron
I asked this:QuoteThanks for the reply.
I would like to do the return and exchange option. However, will there be some kind of reassurance that the replacement set will not come damaged? Will there be better, more secure packaging?
-Morgan
How can they know the majority didn't have defects? This implies they knowingly shipped damaged goods, or are just pulling stuff out of their ass.
But they sold over 1,000 sets right? So looking at the percentages probably isn't so bad.
I have to pay customs just to find a set which is damaged. The funzzzz.
Post by: madhias on Fri, 07 August 2015, 04:47:19
First of all I have to say the TA color is really well done, great job intelli78! The color of the mods is really not too blue, and there's enough yellowish or TA flavor! I thought it will be too intense, but it is not. I made some pictures, but have to make more later with appropriate light.
I did not look at all caps very accurate, but have the same scratches as seen by others - maybe it is said already here, these scratches cannot be due to shipping but must be from GMK production. The few caps I checked are OK, and I would not bother about it and for me it would be no reason to return the set. But I have to look more detailed through all the caps later.
The grey color is really light grey, light grey. This could have been maybe a little bit darker, but it fits nicely to the mods. So nothing to complain, mostly on the pictures here it just looks like white since the grey is a bit bluish (and not like "normal" grey caps from IBM, Topre, etc. - compared to them it is sort of white).
Again: great job, I do like the set - but to be honest I do not know why I ordered it since I am typing right now on my Realforce, and also use a SSK, and don't have any MX board I would use (the TX1800 when it arrives, but here I have no 1800 support with this set). So if someone - best in EU - do like to have this gorgeous set, I'd sell it!
Post by: PrinsPils on Fri, 07 August 2015, 05:55:46
So if someone - best in EU - do like to have this gorgeous set, I'd sell it!Hi Madhias,
I would like to purchase the set. I live in the Netherlands , so shipping will not be expensive for me either.
I'll send you a personal message to discuss the futher details.
Post by: Pieminister on Fri, 07 August 2015, 06:06:31
Post by: madhias on Fri, 07 August 2015, 08:13:32
(http://i.imgur.com/UJFrHBx.jpg)
Mounted for comparison on a filthy G81 keyboard:
(http://i.imgur.com/igPYCTi.jpg)
The color is just lovely! I can understand now why the OG TA keyboards must be great in reality.
(http://i.imgur.com/pRHqdRu.jpg)
The light grey alphas are really light grey, you could also call it a dirty white, or rather bluish white. To the alphas it just fits, so nothing to complain.
(http://i.imgur.com/bKKQ2aD.jpg)
But I HATE those trays. Maybe I am too stupid, or I don't understand it, but I would prefer a normal plastic bag over those trays - or a carton board box, just not these trays made of plastic, which when you don't touch carefully the caps flip around. Maybe this box is already worn out due to shipping, but the caps never stay in the rows. Then open it up carefully, because if done not carefully, all caps pop out in a mess. The inventor should open up 100 trays, and close them again, for at least a week.
(http://i.imgur.com/jewZeXs.jpg)
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 07 August 2015, 08:38:05
The set is really great, as said before Intelli did a fantastic job, the color combination is great and the TA color is not too intense. The TA color is really hard to catch correctly, mostly (at least for me) it turns out much too bluish. In reality the color is very greenish, I can't describe it in English language... On all images below the color looks different, I am too lazy to edit correctly (already played around a little bit), you just have to see it in reality :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/UJFrHBx.jpg)
Mounted for comparison on a filthy G81 keyboard:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/igPYCTi.jpg)
The color is just lovely! I can understand now why the OG TA keyboards must be great in reality.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pRHqdRu.jpg)
The light grey alphas are really light grey, you could also call it a dirty white, or rather bluish white. To the alphas it just fits, so nothing to complain.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bKKQ2aD.jpg)
But I HATE those trays. Maybe I am too stupid, or I don't understand it, but I would prefer a normal plastic bag over those trays - or a carton board box, just not these trays made of plastic, which when you don't touch carefully the caps flip around. Maybe this box is already worn out due to shipping, but the caps never stay in the rows. Then open it up carefully, because if done not carefully, all caps pop out in a mess. The inventor should open up 100 trays, and close them again, for at least a week.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jewZeXs.jpg)
These pictures really make me regret not getting in on this buy! The colors look great!
The multiple other pictures in this thread though make me happy I didn't get into the buy though.
Post by: inanis on Fri, 07 August 2015, 08:56:40
The set is really great, as said before Intelli did a fantastic job, the color combination is great and the TA color is not too intense. The TA color is really hard to catch correctly, mostly (at least for me) it turns out much too bluish. In reality the color is very greenish, I can't describe it in English language... On all images below the color looks different, I am too lazy to edit correctly (already played around a little bit), you just have to see it in reality :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/UJFrHBx.jpg)
Mounted for comparison on a filthy G81 keyboard:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/igPYCTi.jpg)
The color is just lovely! I can understand now why the OG TA keyboards must be great in reality.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pRHqdRu.jpg)
The light grey alphas are really light grey, you could also call it a dirty white, or rather bluish white. To the alphas it just fits, so nothing to complain.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bKKQ2aD.jpg)
But I HATE those trays. Maybe I am too stupid, or I don't understand it, but I would prefer a normal plastic bag over those trays - or a carton board box, just not these trays made of plastic, which when you don't touch carefully the caps flip around. Maybe this box is already worn out due to shipping, but the caps never stay in the rows. Then open it up carefully, because if done not carefully, all caps pop out in a mess. The inventor should open up 100 trays, and close them again, for at least a week.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jewZeXs.jpg)
These are some great pictures! They capture the colors very well.
I do have one of my alpha keys that has some swirl marks in it. It is on the front of the key so it isn't hard to spot on the board. HOWEVER, I think this is a minor problem in my set. It won't detract from how much I like it. As for the whole row mismatch thing, I use a 60%, basically 100% of the time, so I bought into this knowing that I wouldn't be affected by it. I suppose if I was using TKL or full size there is a chance I wouldn't have liked that particular feature. As it stand though, I really like this set. I think the colors are great, and they feel fantastic. I try to look at the positive side of things, and for me, the good outweighs the bad on this one.
(http://i.imgur.com/EsU6PSj.jpg)
Post by: Dansor on Fri, 07 August 2015, 09:45:01
They arrived yesterday, without any obvious flaws, and I could not be happier with them.
Thanks, Intelli, for all the hard work. It totally paid off IMO.
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Post by: Dee1 on Fri, 07 August 2015, 09:50:36
I just want to say thanks to intelli for organizing this. I'm very happy with how it turned out! :) Though reading through this thread makes me realize I should probably check the caps more closely.
Post by: beehatch on Fri, 07 August 2015, 10:25:59
Post by: NorrisB on Fri, 07 August 2015, 10:36:40
Post by: jbondeson on Fri, 07 August 2015, 10:54:50
It's gone through 3 UPS centers, and 2 USPS locations... So lord only knows what I'm going to find in the box.
Post by: PrinsPils on Fri, 07 August 2015, 11:04:14
Thought I'd post a pic of these bad boys on my NovaTouch.That looks so amazing!!!
They arrived yesterday, without any obvious flaws, and I could not be happier with them.
Thanks, Intelli, for all the hard work. It totally paid off IMO.
(Attachment Link)
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 07 August 2015, 11:04:15
Quote
Hey everyone,
We want the community to know that we've been reading the discussion and are aware of the poor packaging; rest assured that your disappointment is not going unheard.
We are sorry for any of the keycaps that showed up in anything less than stellar condition. If any of your keycaps are showing up with dings or scratches please reach out to us at so we can help to correct any issues you may be experiencing.
We chose these trays specifically to ensure smooth fulfillment so believe us when we say we’re disappointed and shocked along with the community. We've made it very clear to our fulfillment center that the packaging for these orders was insufficient and have instructed them to package future shipments in smaller boxes and use more appropriate internal packaging techniques. Additionally, we have given our feedback to GMK about the trays and until they are further tested we will avoid using them, reverting back to standard bags for delivery of future GMK orders.
We do have a number of replacement sets on hand for fulfillment issues, and we believe there will be enough extras to accommodate the exchanges.
We want you to know that we’re learning from this experience and will make changes so these issues do not happen again. In the end, this is all about getting you quality keyboard products that you love — and if that’s not happening for any reason, then it’s a problem for us. So do not hesitate to contact support if your set has any damage - we will make things right for you.
Thanks,
Kunal and Alex
Pretty standard PR, nothing exceptional to be honest. Let's see what happens from now on.
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 07 August 2015, 11:17:18
Post by: trizkut on Fri, 07 August 2015, 11:18:42
Apparently there have been enough people complaining that there is a significant queue for support on damaged sets.
48 hours, still no response :blank:
Post by: romevi on Fri, 07 August 2015, 11:24:46
Apparently there have been enough people complaining that there is a significant queue for support on damaged sets.
48 hours, still no response :blank:
It once took four days before I got a response regarding an order.
Post by: techmattr on Fri, 07 August 2015, 11:25:33
In hindsight, this is really seeming like a GMK quality issue.
Yeah now knowing that some sets arrived placed cleanly in the trays but still had scratches it would seem MD either received the sets scattered and just reboxed them or they are indeed manufacturing flaws. A lot of the deep gouges have to be manufacturing flaws. Especially since some of the keys have identical scratches. These issues are seeming to be less and less like an issue on MD's end. Either way they still did a terrible job repackaging and shipping.
Post by: cooldiscretion on Fri, 07 August 2015, 12:54:33
Although, I'm really keeping my fingers crossed for mine.
Post by: wlhlm on Fri, 07 August 2015, 13:00:52
Opening up the package at home:
[attachimg=1]
:'( :'( :'(
After sorting everything back into the tray, I was reliefed to see no missing caps or scratches. :-X
I can also see the swirls on the alpha keys. Luckily, those are barely visible and I wonder if I had even noticed them without reading this thread.
Now that I have everything sorted, I can have a look from the distance and I'm extremely impressed! The teal is perfect. Great color selection intelli78! :-* None of the photos I've seen really do the set justice. Either the teal is too blue or too green, or the alphas are too white, which I was worried about, but they actually look much better in person (though I agree that they could be a bit darker).
I'm so stoked for my TA build in a winkeyless 3000 case!
Thanks Danboard for letting me take over your order. Good luck LechnerDE, hope your set arrived without scratches. :-X
Further on GMK quality issues:
I got some colored GMK modifiers from EliteKeyboards fairly recently and they also had some weird discoloration on the side of the caps:
(http://i.imgur.com/0MFBy5n.jpg?2)
>:D
Not sure what's going on there...
As for the material, I've compared the weight of Triumph Adler with a doubleshot Desko set, a beige Cherry set, and a black Cherry set. They all had the same weight. I don't think GMK keys are thinner now.
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 07 August 2015, 13:13:20
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 07 August 2015, 13:17:42
Good luck LechnerDE, hope your set arrived without scratches. :-X
Thanks! Glad your set survived the journey over the pond unharmed :thumb:
That gives me hope for mine ;D
I actually hoped to pick it up at the customs office today as well. Tracking said it's there, but I didn't get a notification yet. Maybe I can pick it up on monday.
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Fri, 07 August 2015, 13:42:37
They're definitely not thinner, but the plastic did feel different, cheaper.I was hoping it was all in my head, but I remember the GMK Esc key and spacebar I had previously purchased feeling nicer than this TA set... honestly GMK TA feels a lot like typing on a Signature Plastics set, a bit underwhelming after using super thick SA profile caps.
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 07 August 2015, 14:06:18
[attachimg=1][attachimg=2]
Note: The dark spot on the key is actually on the lens of the camera.
Post by: meiosis on Fri, 07 August 2015, 14:35:09
Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 07 August 2015, 15:06:04
First, I really feel for everyone whose set arrived scattered in the box. It's downright unfortunate that it happened, and not at all what I wanted anyone's first impression to be. In retrospect I should have had GMK send me samples to test first, but we all pretty much took at face value that the trays would be suitable for reshipping. I've never seen a keycap tray that wasn't. So it's a lame situation because they were supposed to be a bonus that prevented any sort of sorting/shipping debacle. The responsibility is shared between me, GMK, and also Massdrop. Me, because I could've requested samples. GMK, because it's not even a question that the trays SHOULD stand up to reshipping. It was a flawed design that needs to be corrected. Finally, Massdrop's fulfillment center, because they are shipping professionals who should've seen this coming, especially given that it was a chance to prove their competence.
As for scratches and other damage, it's not totally clear whether they originated during manufacturing or shipping. At this point it seems to be a combination, it should get clearer as time goes on. I'm super sorry to anyone who received damaged caps. No one deserves that considering the price we paid.
For other issues like swirling and variation in color, I'll certainly bring this up with GMK, though I'm not currently convinced anything is out of spec here. I have had older GMK caps with similar marks and I think it's a more normal (if not necessarily desirable) occurrence. For the alphas specifically, we may just be seeing the blue legend layer through the walls of the caps. I would also caution against getting wrapped up in the couple accounts of the caps somehow feeling lower quality. We've already seen that they weigh the same and have the same thickness. They feel like completely normal GMK caps to me. I would take these accounts with a grain of salt because there is no hard evidence of any overall decline in quality. I understand wanting to go over everything with a fine-toothed comb at this point, but we need to be careful not to let our disappointment affect our perception of things that are not actually defective.
I will talk to GMK about why some of their recent sets (not just TA) are more transparent to LEDs. We already know the amount of material has not changed. My best guess is that it's related to cap color and light wavelengths etc.
More generally I want to say, there is definitely a lot of justified disappointment here, but things always seem worse in the moment. All will be OK. Massdrop's support is not the fastest, but they are not dishonest. It does suck to get scratched caps, but let's try to keep perspective. Massdrop is keen to make things right by replacing as many keys as possible, and I have never heard of them denying legitimate refunds. We all have the caps in hand (finally!), they look good, there is no catastrophic error. We are not dealing with a 2-year delay, an outright scam, or Originative, or some other such really outrageous nonsense where we'll all be screwed. What happened, happened and it's not ok, but we'll move forward and I'm confident that everyone will be treated fairly in the end. GMK has not gone down the toilet yet. They will get an earful, as will the Massdrop shipping center, for sure. But they've put out a good product for a long time, and from dealing with them personally, I really do not think they are out to fleece us. I think GMK will be very apologetic and keen to restore its reputation.
So again, my sincere apologies to everyone affected. Let's take this in stride to get everyone taken care of, and to make sure future GMK buys are back to their usual standard. I am really looking forward to getting this cleared up so we can get on with enjoying our new teal caps. :thumb:
Post by: Signature on Fri, 07 August 2015, 15:56:50
(http://i.imgur.com/6koc1PA.jpg)
Post by: digi on Fri, 07 August 2015, 16:00:32
Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 07 August 2015, 16:03:59
Just throwing this out there but did anyone contact GMK to confirm that GMK actually produced these caps and not some factory in Chiner??
lól q ?
Post by: digi on Fri, 07 August 2015, 16:05:00
Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 07 August 2015, 16:06:05
Massdrop secretly sourced this GB to Chiner and you thought you were getting caps from GMK...sorry man, just had to lighten it up. We still BFF's?
Bf/Gf...guess which one you are... :p
Post by: digi on Fri, 07 August 2015, 16:07:05
Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 07 August 2015, 16:08:06
BOTH PAPI
:-*
Post by: calvinhousecat on Fri, 07 August 2015, 17:05:08
This set A+++++++
Thanks intelli
Post by: nightdriver on Fri, 07 August 2015, 17:19:35
The light grey alphas are really light grey, you could also call it a dirty white, or rather bluish white. To the alphas it just fits, so nothing to complain.
this is actually a little different than what i expected. i was thinking they'd be closer to the "pearl" color from classic beige. oh well, sure they'll still look fantastic.
Post by: Eziak on Fri, 07 August 2015, 17:25:10
Post by: TBone on Fri, 07 August 2015, 17:26:12
Thanks Intelli for the hard work, but I think in the future, just ship the keycaps in a bag and the case with nothing in it :thumb: hahaha
Post by: VesperSAINT on Fri, 07 August 2015, 17:26:54
Great job, intelli ~ <3 You did good, man :thumb:
From what I can tell, the scratches are entirely from shipping and the keys flying and scratching up against each other. The two obvious main culprits are the large empty space boxes, and the small round tapes used to keep the key tray shut. With all the moving of the loose items in the box and the combination of the summer heat melting the adhesive on the small tape... well yeah...
Unfortunately, when I picked up my delivered box... it was rattling SO LOUD... the first thought in my mind was, "it sounds a million lego pieces just flying around loosely in a box."
Opened it up to this:
phone pic:
(http://i.imgur.com/QYcMMck.jpg)
Fortunately, all keys are accounted for, but I definitely will be wanting replacements for my scratched/dinged up keys...
Good lookin'~ even for a phone potato pic~ man, my phone camera has like near perfect color accuracy...
(http://i.imgur.com/1JQU0uC.jpg)
Only some of the scratched keys: :( :( :(
(http://i.imgur.com/Wq8LDdf.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/IyCdUAO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/nabIDzG.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/T3J5WKB.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ZYu4DiK.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/GgIdNou.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Pg8Vn9I.jpg)
random black dot on keycap that doesn't come off
(http://i.imgur.com/VVzeDYI.jpg)
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 07 August 2015, 17:31:38
Now waiting for the shipping forwarder to deliver my keyset.
Post by: daviswalkers on Fri, 07 August 2015, 17:49:06
MoreTA cluster****ery confirmedShow Image(http://38.media.tumblr.com/0b2067fdfea0cafe2cde5d912d63248e/tumblr_mr7jfnFjbF1s5ttogo1_r2_400.gif)
So this is how my set arrived, complete with bent and bashed in box. As I heard the UPS guy toss it (not place it) on the ground, I knew I was ****ed since I heard a clatter of keys. And phone photos because why waste taking good shots on cluster****ery:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/q7s40wo.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wQBzmLv.jpg)
I think all my caps are there, but I'm not sure. I do know that I had several caps with scratches. The scratches weren't major, most on the sides and backs of the caps, but one blank cap had scratches on the face. The GMK QC wasn't too hot either as a ton of my caps had flashing on the bottom and I noticed that the alphas have some weirdness going on in their color. They're not a solid color and seem to have some swirling going on in them. I feel like a couple of caps also had some color bleed through in spots from the darker undercolor. And maybe I'm crazy, but I feel like the plastic feels like a lighter, cheaper, less dense plastic than GMK usually is.
Here's the result of carefully checking the caps and putting them back in the tray:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pUE4SGA.jpg)
Probably going to sell the set.
I would just try to contact Massdrop to get another.
You have a better chance at getting a set in better condition and can still sell that if you're not happy. Just my two cents though.
The condition it showed up in though is bull****.
I'm not sure I'll get a set in better condition. There were only three really scratched caps I noticed, two scratched on the side, one on the top. The main issue is the weird coloration on the alphas. I want to know if others who look closely at their caps see the same thing I'm talking about. It's like when you mix paint and it's not quite fully mixed. For example, it looks something like this:Show Image(http://cdn3.craftsy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/withwhite.jpg)
I mean, it's not noticeable from typing distance, but when you look at the cap it's pretty noticeable.
I'm just more annoyed with the condition it arrived in. I'll definitely be contacting MD, but not sure what I'm going to do
I was coming here to post just this, I was checking for scratches and realized that all of the alpha's have like a marbled cake look to them(but with white/blue/teal swirls):
(http://i.imgur.com/Q711728.png)
Post by: VesperSAINT on Fri, 07 August 2015, 17:51:50
I was coming here to post just this, I was checking for scratches and realized that all of the alpha's have like a marbled cake look to them(but with white/blue/teal swirls):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Q711728.png)
Yup. Some of mine are like that too... looks like they didn't fully mix it... QC issues... Have some bleeding issues too. Maybe it has to do with them trying new custom colors? Not too sure. Don't want to speculate too much. Colors came out amazing though.
Post by: Nai_Calus on Fri, 07 August 2015, 17:56:04
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 07 August 2015, 18:03:56
Just curious if Cody noticed any issues with the Hyperfuse GMK stuff like what they're seeing on the TA buy...I have to think it was the custom color that created the problem but who knows....
One more good thing of not having it pre-sorted...can have some central QA..
I'm also curious of this... I saw one post on Reddit where someone mentioned seeing swirls and splotches on some of the keys. I know it's early but have we seen any manufacturing flaws so far?
none, i believe those are most likely caused by using custom colours, rather than tried and true gmk ones, certain pigments just react differently to others in the same conditions
What Bunny said, and when you consider the way that injection molding is done and how colors are achieved for molded parts the swirls and less prevalent uneven colored keys on TA make sense.
The raw material for injection molding is plastic pellets, which is a good thing to understand going into this problem. For GMK's base colors they probably have huge bins of pre-colored pellets that they buy in high volumes for their standard commercial customers. When you have to do a custom order color, and don't have enough volume for them to go out and buy a ton or so of pellets custom made by a plastics vendor in that exact color, they have to mix base pellets with a colorant. When time to mold, they mix all the pellets and the colorant in a hopper that mixes them as they feed into the injection molding machines, the mixing is done to maintain consistent distribution of pellets and colorant. So any sort of inconsistency along the line from non-mixed corners in a hopper, to static build up on feed hoses, or any other issue that can happen can lead to inconsistent distribution of base and colorant and lead to some of the issues people have brought up on TA. Luckily since hyperfuse used all stock colors, there is probably nothing to worry about here.
You forgot about the extruder, though. The screw in the extruder serves two functions - it heats the material through shear forces, and it mixes the resin (like, really well). There are different sections to each screw, and different screw designs for different applications (this is critical). They may have a screw designed for one application and this custom color stuff may actually be causing issues (colorants can have a much larger effect than you would expect on the processability of various resins). But the flights (the "threads" of the screw) have very particular designs to force mixing, even having "multi-level" (for lack of a better term and my memory is failing me) flights where the resin will get lifted up to another section briefly before passing back. Screw design is a very interesting science.
Anyway, all that to say that the only real time that mixing would be a problem is typically during transitions. If your resins are sticking in the screw or somewhere else you can have contamination issues. But a good purge of the old resin would solve that.
Keep in mind that my experience is in a slightly different field (flat die extrusion), so I am not an expert in injection molding - I just happen to know (a few) things about extruders. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong here. ;) I'm also not familiar with GMK's equipment.
Oh, and I'm not disagreeing with your conclusion that HF should avoid this issue - just adding to your explanation about TA. :)
I think that the swirls are a minor problem, in comparison to scratched/damaged keycaps.
Post by: daviswalkers on Fri, 07 August 2015, 18:19:02
I was coming here to post just this, I was checking for scratches and realized that all of the alpha's have like a marbled cake look to them(but with white/blue/teal swirls):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Q711728.png)
Yup. Some of mine are like that too... looks like they didn't fully mix it... QC issues... Have some bleeding issues too. Maybe it has to do with them trying new custom colors? Not too sure. Don't want to speculate too much. Colors came out amazing though.
For sure I didn't buy these for the "TA lookalike" aspect but rather because I loved the colors, so the main complaint I've seen (other than QC) is the super light alpha's but I love the light grey very happy with the set overall put it on my winkeyless b.87 board I just finished!
p
(http://i.imgur.com/XSd4M7p.jpg?3)
Other problem being the four extra keys on my keyboard that there aren't any keys for, obviously this wasn't hidden so not a complaint w/ the buy but annoying none the less.
Post by: Nai_Calus on Fri, 07 August 2015, 18:22:22
Got scratching and scuffs like everyone else. Time to chew out MD. :<
It's heartbreaking because this set is otherwise breathtakingly beautiful.
Post by: wlhlm on Fri, 07 August 2015, 18:44:17
Only some of the scratched keys: :( :( :(:eek: Wow, that's quite the damage! Real bummer, hope you'll get your replacement keys. :(Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Wq8LDdf.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IyCdUAO.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/nabIDzG.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T3J5WKB.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZYu4DiK.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GgIdNou.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Pg8Vn9I.jpg)
Post by: slickmamba on Fri, 07 August 2015, 18:57:38
Not missing any though. It looks like the left side was just very very poorly taped
Post by: Karura on Fri, 07 August 2015, 19:20:09
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 07 August 2015, 19:20:38
Post by: Karura on Fri, 07 August 2015, 19:39:56
Post by: Bloo on Fri, 07 August 2015, 20:17:22
Post by: nightdriver on Fri, 07 August 2015, 20:20:13
the keycaps are freaking beautiful and i know they're going to look so good with my aluminum vortex case (that i coincidentally also got from intelli). already some beautiful pictures on this thread, but if i can take any non-potatoes, maybe i'll post some after i get them installed. excited!
Post by: nightdriver on Fri, 07 August 2015, 20:21:53
Post by: skycrimes on Fri, 07 August 2015, 20:45:44
Post by: Nai_Calus on Fri, 07 August 2015, 21:12:30
We need a therapy thread for this, heh.
*sighs*
The bad thing is, even if they offer a replacement, there's no guarantee the same thing won't just happen again. My postal carrier for that matter left it sitting on its end on the steps and didn't even put it against the door, never mind flat.
Post by: VesperSAINT on Fri, 07 August 2015, 21:16:19
Even with scratched keycaps, they look great in a dimly lit room :3
I like how they contrast to the beige case ~
(http://i.imgur.com/aE7KSbH.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/VyLJ1x1.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/h09Pxdg.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/MbP6Tx3.jpg)
Post by: skycrimes on Fri, 07 August 2015, 21:17:44
*throws salt at the people with perfect sets*
We need a therapy thread for this, heh.
*sighs*
The bad thing is, even if they offer a replacement, there's no guarantee the same thing won't just happen again. My postal carrier for that matter left it sitting on its end on the steps and didn't even put it against the door, never mind flat.
sorry ;;
Post by: 64rky on Fri, 07 August 2015, 21:27:20
Here's some therapy:
Even with scratched keycaps, they look great in a dimly lit room :3
I like how they contrast to the beige case ~Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/aE7KSbH.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VyLJ1x1.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h09Pxdg.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MbP6Tx3.jpg)
Great pics Vesper, keep the faith!
Post by: VesperSAINT on Fri, 07 August 2015, 21:32:36
Great pics Vesper, keep the faith!
Thankies ~ Faith be kept ~
Post by: heedpantsnow on Fri, 07 August 2015, 21:55:21
Post by: radio_killah on Sat, 08 August 2015, 01:18:47
The one thing that I noticed now that I have the keys is that the texture actually feels different from the rest of my sets.. It is a bit more slipper on the sides and the plastic feels thinner and more hollow.. Someone with a precise scale should measure the keys... They don't feel as dense as my other GMK sets.
The colors are very nice, the grey on the alphas is subtle but it works nicely. I just really wish this drop wasn't run through Massdrop. I really hope the trend of using Massdrop for GMK buys DOES NOT continue. It will just end in disappointment.
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 08 August 2015, 01:34:50
Got my set... UPS sucks. The box is pretty much crushed. I had about 10 keys still in the tray. I got out pretty much scratch free. But just looking at the undersides of the keys you can tell that there wasn't any form of QC at all... Some many keys with partial doubleshots and lots of extra plastic hanging off the ends.
The one thing that I noticed now that I have the keys is that the texture actually feels different from the rest of my sets.. It is a bit more slipper on the sides and the plastic feels thinner and more hollow.. Someone with a precise scale should measure the keys... They don't feel as dense as my other GMK sets.
The colors are very nice, the grey on the alphas is subtle but it works nicely. I just really wish this drop wasn't run through Massdrop. I really hope the trend of using Massdrop for GMK buys DOES NOT continue. It will just end in disappointment.
I had more than a few with extraneous flashing too.
I don't agree that they feel thinner and more hollow, but I do completely agree with the emboldened part. They don't feel up to typical GMK snuff and the teal plastic feels cheaper.
Post by: skycrimes on Sat, 08 August 2015, 01:35:56
Post by: Nai_Calus on Sat, 08 August 2015, 07:18:59
Probably the most WTF thing besides whatever thought process made anyone think the packaging was OK is that numpad + key. I don't even know what happened there.
I don't notice as many scratches as some, but the lighting in my room is terrible so I may have just missed them, will have to look in sunlight. Unfortunately the issues are almost all on the top or front of keycaps and render it completely unusable. I guess an ISO TKL board with a WKL bottom row. Unlike my ANSI enter and left shift, the ISO shift and enter are fine. :P
Given the number of issues which are obviously *GMK*'s fault, I'm not sure I'll go for a replacement if they offer one. Even if my set had arrived in place and scratch-free, that number pad + and the sloppy legends are unacceptable. ><
Post by: jbondeson on Sat, 08 August 2015, 10:38:58
(http://i.imgur.com/r1tE1kKh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/EGLV6Mkh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/WymIVooh.jpg)
The reason for the crushed box was obvious, the air pocket packaging was so thick it bulged the tops and bottoms of the box. So now you're trying to ship hundreds of non-rectangular boxes and, shocker, ****s in disarray.
Now the weird part, so far I only found one scratch on the front of the Backspace key that looks identical to what others have shown. I'm honestly starting to wonder if some of these happened before MD even got them. I haven't had a chance to do a detailed look (for some reason my wife wasn't keen on me spending part of Friday night with my new keycaps and a magnifying light) but today I'll take a closer look.
So I'll probably see if I can get a new bs key from MD.
Post by: cjhard on Sat, 08 August 2015, 10:55:45
so I thought my set was perfect then I saw a reddit post mentioning some backlight bleed. Turns out my F key (I think they same one the guy mentioned) isnt a fully doubleshot key. It has terrible backlight bleed whereas the other caps dont.
That's likely due to the homing scoop, I noticed GMK Dolch has the same pattern for F&J where a portion of the legend injection is cut out.
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 08 August 2015, 10:59:18
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 08 August 2015, 11:19:38
if it isn't too much trouble, could someone please post the measurements of the GMK tray? Thanks!
Mine is out for delivery today, I'll PM them.
Post by: geniekid on Sat, 08 August 2015, 11:31:03
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Post by: wlhlm on Sat, 08 August 2015, 11:31:17
if it isn't too much trouble, could someone please post the measurements of the GMK tray? Thanks!44cm x 20cm x 2.5cm
Post by: wlhlm on Sat, 08 August 2015, 11:32:54
Picture of TA mods on Dolch alphas.Nice picture, but the mods look incredibly blue, almost like the electric bluegaloo modifiers.
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Post by: 64rky on Sat, 08 August 2015, 11:34:25
if it isn't too much trouble, could someone please post the measurements of the GMK tray? Thanks!44cm x 20cm x 2.5cm
17.3 x 8 x 1 inches
:)
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 08 August 2015, 11:44:30
Thanks to both of you!if it isn't too much trouble, could someone please post the measurements of the GMK tray? Thanks!44cm x 20cm x 2.5cm
17.3 x 8 x 1 inches
:)
Post by: radio_killah on Sat, 08 August 2015, 11:47:48
TA mods on Dolch alphas.
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I tried this using my set too. I wasn't a fan. It looks great in your picture though. The TA mods definitely look better with a white/lighter alpha base.
Post by: strict on Sat, 08 August 2015, 14:02:08
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 08 August 2015, 14:03:31
For once I seem to have gotten lucky, no noticeable color blending issues and, miraculously, no scratches either.so how does it feel to be the chosen one?
Post by: ebacho on Sat, 08 August 2015, 15:22:29
FWIW I have no color blending issues and only a couple minor scratches, but the gouge on the alt key is particularly jarring.
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 08 August 2015, 15:40:18
Did we ever determine if the scratched 1.5x alt keys from shipping or a mold problem? I ask because one of my alts has the same scratches posted a few patches back (perfect horizontal line on the front of the cap) but the other alt is fine.
FWIW I have no color blending issues and only a couple minor scratches, but the gouge on the alt key is particularly jarring.
I was thinking the same thing about the 1.5 alt keys. I have seen a few pictures were the scratch/ding looks almost exactly like the one on mine.
Though one of my sets has the dinged up 1.5 alt key, and the other set doesn't.
It's the marked up alt cap, and messed up color on the front of both my numpad + caps that bug me the most.
Post by: JustDownloadMoreRAM on Sat, 08 August 2015, 15:56:30
Post by: drewba on Sat, 08 August 2015, 16:05:29
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/86/d4/98/86d4980acf1b1c3f7aef9f3c1024508d.jpg)
KUL w/proton white case top. Pardon the potato pics & dirty desk
(http://i.imgur.com/MolgnVY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/XKgKHB9.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vwHuaXG.jpg)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 08 August 2015, 16:29:11
TA mods on Dolch alphas.
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I like this a lot.
Post by: shawn24 on Sat, 08 August 2015, 17:00:23
Funniest and most ridiculous thing I ever seen for shipping
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 08 August 2015, 17:17:25
Massdrop use a weird shipping company to ship it to Canada, after 7 days from shipped out, it is now given to USPS to ship to Canada and still in Pre-Shipping in USPS.
Funniest and most ridiculous thing I ever seen for shipping
Mine does say it's made it to Canada already, so yours should hopefully cross the border soon!
Post by: ShardZer0 on Sat, 08 August 2015, 17:24:43
TA mods on Dolch alphas.
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Looks good, I did the same thing with the TA Mods and Midnight set alphas.
Post by: zombimuncha on Sat, 08 August 2015, 18:11:43
Did we ever determine if the scratched 1.5x alt keys from shipping or a mold problem? I ask because one of my alts has the same scratches posted a few patches back (perfect horizontal line on the front of the cap) but the other alt is fine.
FWIW I have no color blending issues and only a couple minor scratches, but the gouge on the alt key is particularly jarring.
I was thinking the same thing about the 1.5 alt keys. I have seen a few pictures were the scratch/ding looks almost exactly like the one on mine.
Though one of my sets has the dinged up 1.5 alt key, and the other set doesn't.
It's the marked up alt cap, and messed up color on the front of both my numpad + caps that bug me the most.
Mine have some scratches but I didn't see anything on the 1.5 alts or the Backspace. I didn't see the photos of those keys tho, so maybe I'm just less picky (or less observant) ? What page are they on?
I'm guessing the only problem that applies to all sets is the missing inner section on the numpad + cap, but I assume that was done to improve stabilizer clearance, and is more of a design choice than a design flaw - it gives greater flexibility in what stabs you can use it with at the expense of a slight visual anomaly.
Post by: Nai_Calus on Sat, 08 August 2015, 19:09:28
I'm guessing the only problem that applies to all sets is the missing inner section on the numpad + cap, but I assume that was done to improve stabilizer clearance, and is more of a design choice than a design flaw - it gives greater flexibility in what stabs you can use it with at the expense of a slight visual anomaly.
If it makes every single numberpad + key have a big ugly light band on it where the white is showing through the teal, that *is* in fact a design flaw. :P
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 08 August 2015, 19:23:20
I'm guessing the only problem that applies to all sets is the missing inner section on the numpad + cap, but I assume that was done to improve stabilizer clearance, and is more of a design choice than a design flaw - it gives greater flexibility in what stabs you can use it with at the expense of a slight visual anomaly.
If it makes every single numberpad + key have a big ugly light band on it where the white is showing through the teal, that *is* in fact a design flaw. :P
It's present on old Cherry sets. I have it on a WoB set from a G81 board.
Also, it is not a design flaw since those Cherry keys were not designed with backlighting in mind. You cannot call it a design flaw if it's a problem caused by using a product outside of its intended use. If it caused issues on the Lock keys, then it would definitely be a design flaw.
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Sat, 08 August 2015, 19:59:06
About 6 keys were left inside the GMK tray when I opened my box. Other than handful of scratches, my set appears to be in pretty good shape. This feels amazing to type onShow Image(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/86/d4/98/86d4980acf1b1c3f7aef9f3c1024508d.jpg)
KUL w/proton white case top. Pardon the potato pics & dirty deskShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/MolgnVY.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WUNIxfc.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vwHuaXG.jpg)
That hoot though. Beautiful.
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 08 August 2015, 21:21:17
TA mods on Dolch alphas.
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That works surprisingly well :)
And that green CODE!
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 08 August 2015, 21:29:34
Post by: Jokrik on Sat, 08 August 2015, 21:30:13
TA mods on Dolch alphas.
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It's working somehow :)
what is that keyboard? where's the + and - on the numpad? my brain hurts...
I don't think that keys falling out of trays and rubbing each other could cause such a scratch. If that is the case, it would have scratch badly when Ivan sorted and packed the Dolch. Remember those keys comes in packs? I'd imagine him pouring the Bs in a box, and Cs in another box and then sweeping all of them into a ziplock bag. These keys are bound to run against each other but they weren't scratched. I believe GMK quality has gone downhill and I'm wondering if I should join Classic Beige... Sigh
I've the same question in my head regarding GMK quality :( and I'm already in for Miami nights
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 08 August 2015, 21:34:10
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 08 August 2015, 21:36:01
I don't think that keys falling out of trays and rubbing each other could cause such a scratch. If that is the case, it would have scratch badly when Ivan sorted and packed the Dolch. Remember those keys comes in packs? I'd imagine him pouring the Bs in a box, and Cs in another box and then sweeping all of them into a ziplock bag. These keys are bound to run against each other but they weren't scratched. I believe GMK quality has gone downhill and I'm wondering if I should join Classic Beige... Sigh
If that's the case, GMK QA must have hit rock bottom to release keycaps as consistently scratched as these.
Post by: Belfong on Sat, 08 August 2015, 21:46:19
I don't think that keys falling out of trays and rubbing each other could cause such a scratch. If that is the case, it would have scratch badly when Ivan sorted and packed the Dolch. Remember those keys comes in packs? I'd imagine him pouring the Bs in a box, and Cs in another box and then sweeping all of them into a ziplock bag. These keys are bound to run against each other but they weren't scratched. I believe GMK quality has gone downhill and I'm wondering if I should join Classic Beige... Sigh
If that's the case, GMK QA must have hit rock bottom to release keycaps as consistently scratched as these.
Yeah, how can a mere few keys knocking loosely against each other caused such a scratch, right? You would think that pouring bags of caps into boxes and then sorting them and sweeping again into ziplock bags, followed by packing and shipping them would have caused more scratch but Ivan's Dolch turned out fine. My faith for "German-engineered caps" as Elrick is fond of saying, is dwindling by the minute.
Post by: geniekid on Sat, 08 August 2015, 21:58:32
TA mods on Dolch alphas.
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It's working somehow :)
what is that keyboard? where's the + and - on the numpad? my brain hurts...
Thanks! It's a Phantom based keyboard (see Metal Dragon link in my signature). The layout is pretty unique so the legends will probably never be right although I did get pretty close using DSA Granite (https://www.flickr.com/photos/129104496@N03/sets/72157648693104348). The whole navigation cluster is accessed via a function layer.
Post by: nightdriver on Sun, 09 August 2015, 00:23:44
I don't think that keys falling out of trays and rubbing each other could cause such a scratch. If that is the case, it would have scratch badly when Ivan sorted and packed the Dolch. Remember those keys comes in packs? I'd imagine him pouring the Bs in a box, and Cs in another box and then sweeping all of them into a ziplock bag. These keys are bound to run against each other but they weren't scratched. I believe GMK quality has gone downhill and I'm wondering if I should join Classic Beige... Sigh
I've the same question in my head regarding GMK quality :( and I'm already in for Miami nights
i strongly suspect it has something to do with the custom colors. they're not used to doing that and it may have resulted in sub-par plastic. until we see a set with standard colors that has the same issues, i'm sticking with that hypothesis.
Post by: LechnerDE on Sun, 09 August 2015, 03:11:00
I don't think that keys falling out of trays and rubbing each other could cause such a scratch. If that is the case, it would have scratch badly when Ivan sorted and packed the Dolch. Remember those keys comes in packs? I'd imagine him pouring the Bs in a box, and Cs in another box and then sweeping all of them into a ziplock bag. These keys are bound to run against each other but they weren't scratched. I believe GMK quality has gone downhill and I'm wondering if I should join Classic Beige... Sigh
I've the same question in my head regarding GMK quality :( and I'm already in for Miami nights
i strongly suspect it has something to do with the custom colors. they're not used to doing that and it may have resulted in sub-par plastic. until we see a set with standard colors that has the same issues, i'm sticking with that hypothesis.
I totally agree. It's the custom colors that ****ed everything up.
Cody already confirmed that the GMK Hyperfuse set doesn't have any of those issues, so I guess with regular colors you can expect the famous GMK quality.
Post by: Nai_Calus on Sun, 09 August 2015, 04:58:53
I'm guessing the only problem that applies to all sets is the missing inner section on the numpad + cap, but I assume that was done to improve stabilizer clearance, and is more of a design choice than a design flaw - it gives greater flexibility in what stabs you can use it with at the expense of a slight visual anomaly.
If it makes every single numberpad + key have a big ugly light band on it where the white is showing through the teal, that *is* in fact a design flaw. :P
It's present on old Cherry sets. I have it on a WoB set from a G81 board.
Also, it is not a design flaw since those Cherry keys were not designed with backlighting in mind. You cannot call it a design flaw if it's a problem caused by using a product outside of its intended use. If it caused issues on the Lock keys, then it would definitely be a design flaw.
Uh. I'm not talking about backlighting, dude. Did you look at my picture? There's a light band across the front top of the cap that is glaringly obvious in even dim room light. I thought it was a scuff when I first saw it. The white under layer is showing through the top layer and then just made even more obvious by abruptly ending:
(http://www.iankunx.net/scratchplus.jpg)
So yes, something is flawed there, because I'm pretty sure that looking absolutely terrible in ambient light is not an intended design feature. :p
I realize everyone loves GMK, but when something like that is so blatantly obvious on a key, I reserve the right to call BS on something that would screw up the aesthetics of a hundred dollar key set even if mine wasn't scratched to hell and back. Regardless of whether or not the company is a community darling. Shoddy work is shoddy work. Period. I don't care who does it. And given that this is my first GMK set, I have no personal attachment to their products. Squiggly legends and colors showing through caps do not say 'quality' to me, they say 'we phoned this in and then shrugged at it'.
So no, I'm not expecting anything to do something it's not designed for. I'm expecting an expensive key set to not look wonky in normal lighting conditions.
I'm sorry, but I don't feel that this is in any way unreasonable.
Post by: Polymer on Sun, 09 August 2015, 05:08:27
i strongly suspect it has something to do with the custom colors. they're not used to doing that and it may have resulted in sub-par plastic. until we see a set with standard colors that has the same issues, i'm sticking with that hypothesis.
That's what it sounds like...That doesn't excuse them for this...to be honest, I'm quite shocked at the quality of the finish on some of these..they're not what they should be like.
Just means people need to be aware this might be a problem and I'd probably avoid custom colors...That other provider JT or whatever though might be able to go some good stuff and step in...their prices look great too..
I like GMK...but if another competitor comes in with a better price, equal to or better quality, and more flexibility - I'd prefer that..
Post by: ATXTider on Sun, 09 August 2015, 05:16:36
i strongly suspect it has something to do with the custom colors. they're not used to doing that and it may have resulted in sub-par plastic. until we see a set with standard colors that has the same issues, i'm sticking with that hypothesis.
Exactly, all the chicken littles need to calm down and use reason for two seconds.
Post by: zombimuncha on Sun, 09 August 2015, 07:35:05
The scratches I think are caused when the keycaps move slightly inside the case so that one key is sitting half on top of another and pressing down on on it, held in place by the tray, then the box gets another thwack from Mr UPS and the cap gets scratched. Once they're out of the tray and all over the box there are less new scratches. Did you notice most of the scratches are on the sides?
Post by: jpsteel on Sun, 09 August 2015, 08:35:08
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Sun, 09 August 2015, 08:36:58
Where is intelli78 in all this?He's posted several times within the last day or two.
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 09 August 2015, 08:39:42
Where is intelli78 in all this?
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Post by: LechnerDE on Sun, 09 August 2015, 08:45:45
Where is intelli78 in all this?
You make it sound as if any of this is Intelli's fault. Neither production nor shipping was in his hands, so what do you want him to do?
If you are not satified with your set, just ask for a refund and send it back to Massdrop...
Post by: romevi on Sun, 09 August 2015, 08:48:47
Where is intelli78 in all this?Dude, what? He's been posting all throughout.
Besides, production and shipping isn't his fault.
Post by: jpsteel on Sun, 09 August 2015, 09:11:00
That's likely what I'll do. The QC was just completely absent, a huge disappointment for the price + hype.
Post by: wlhlm on Sun, 09 August 2015, 09:17:30
Where is intelli78 in all this?
I've been reading all the posts over the last 24 hours, would like to take a minute to respond.
First, I really feel for everyone whose set arrived scattered in the box. It's downright unfortunate that it happened, and not at all what I wanted anyone's first impression to be. In retrospect I should have had GMK send me samples to test first, but we all pretty much took at face value that the trays would be suitable for reshipping. I've never seen a keycap tray that wasn't. So it's a lame situation because they were supposed to be a bonus that prevented any sort of sorting/shipping debacle. The responsibility is shared between me, GMK, and also Massdrop. Me, because I could've requested samples. GMK, because it's not even a question that the trays SHOULD stand up to reshipping. It was a flawed design that needs to be corrected. Finally, Massdrop's fulfillment center, because they are shipping professionals who should've seen this coming, especially given that it was a chance to prove their competence.
As for scratches and other damage, it's not totally clear whether they originated during manufacturing or shipping. At this point it seems to be a combination, it should get clearer as time goes on. I'm super sorry to anyone who received damaged caps. No one deserves that considering the price we paid.
For other issues like swirling and variation in color, I'll certainly bring this up with GMK, though I'm not currently convinced anything is out of spec here. I have had older GMK caps with similar marks and I think it's a more normal (if not necessarily desirable) occurrence. For the alphas specifically, we may just be seeing the blue legend layer through the walls of the caps. I would also caution against getting wrapped up in the couple accounts of the caps somehow feeling lower quality. We've already seen that they weigh the same and have the same thickness. They feel like completely normal GMK caps to me. I would take these accounts with a grain of salt because there is no hard evidence of any overall decline in quality. I understand wanting to go over everything with a fine-toothed comb at this point, but we need to be careful not to let our disappointment affect our perception of things that are not actually defective.
I will talk to GMK about why some of their recent sets (not just TA) are more transparent to LEDs. We already know the amount of material has not changed. My best guess is that it's related to cap color and light wavelengths etc.
More generally I want to say, there is definitely a lot of justified disappointment here, but things always seem worse in the moment. All will be OK. Massdrop's support is not the fastest, but they are not dishonest. It does suck to get scratched caps, but let's try to keep perspective. Massdrop is keen to make things right by replacing as many keys as possible, and I have never heard of them denying legitimate refunds. We all have the caps in hand (finally!), they look good, there is no catastrophic error. We are not dealing with a 2-year delay, an outright scam, or Originative, or some other such really outrageous nonsense where we'll all be screwed. What happened, happened and it's not ok, but we'll move forward and I'm confident that everyone will be treated fairly in the end. GMK has not gone down the toilet yet. They will get an earful, as will the Massdrop shipping center, for sure. But they've put out a good product for a long time, and from dealing with them personally, I really do not think they are out to fleece us. I think GMK will be very apologetic and keen to restore its reputation.
So again, my sincere apologies to everyone affected. Let's take this in stride to get everyone taken care of, and to make sure future GMK buys are back to their usual standard. I am really looking forward to getting this cleared up so we can get on with enjoying our new teal caps. :thumb:
Post by: bueller on Sun, 09 August 2015, 09:28:46
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 09 August 2015, 13:01:50
Reading the Massdrop thread is horrible, looks like the damage during shipping is the least of our worries from some of the pics I've seen. 90% sure I'll be sending my set back to Massdrop for a refund if the QC is as bad as it looks from photos. I've got 5 other sets from GMK and none of them display these problems, no way will this set see one of my boards with the faults on display when I've got so many other sets not being used. Pretty disappointing, this set really grew on me since the drop.
There are definitely some legend oddities going on.
Legend bleed, crooked legend, curved F:
(http://i.imgur.com/gXpoPNY.jpg)
Crooked 6:
(http://i.imgur.com/wBVYmRH.jpg)
Uneven/crooked legend:
(http://i.imgur.com/7oIJMNu.jpg)
Legend bleed, crooked F (less severe one):
(http://i.imgur.com/M8Sap0T.jpg)
Post by: LechnerDE on Sun, 09 August 2015, 13:04:26
I hope I won't notice such details from typing distance, but I guess now I can't unsee it :(
Post by: heedpantsnow on Sun, 09 August 2015, 13:22:24
...
now I can't unsee it :(
Truth
Post by: KHAANNN on Sun, 09 August 2015, 15:20:46
On a selfish level, I just hope the Esc/Tab/Backspace I receive will be all right, but based on what I've seen, it seems like a slim chance
If anyone is in f*this*sh* mode, I'm interested in buying singular/undamaged modifiers, especially another Backspace
Post by: jbondeson on Sun, 09 August 2015, 16:18:57
First the damaged and/or manufacturing defects.
Backspace key (scuffing and scratch)
(http://i.imgur.com/XovYLsZ.jpg)
Menu key (double-shot extra material)
(http://i.imgur.com/QnX0UQ2.jpg)
Now some shots of the set on my KUL (tried to get a few background in the sunlight)
(http://i.imgur.com/bM5nUqV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/3I7q4Zp.jpg)
Here's the full album (http://imgur.com/a/NA1Sf)
Post by: calmfries on Sun, 09 August 2015, 18:18:03
Worst of all is my little heart can't take the stress that DHL is super slow on the delivery, the status still shows it's in Germany. Day by day I'm thinking if my set is badly damaged? Is it having a party in the box? Dang I can't take this ****!
Post by: skycrimes on Sun, 09 August 2015, 22:00:54
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 09 August 2015, 22:02:07
have you guys been putting these on boards with leds and seeing random keys with light bleeding?
yes
i put it on my ds3 (pink leds) to test
sure enough there's some wicked light bleed
probably gonna sell my set soon, i'm really disappointed with it
Post by: Spopepro on Sun, 09 August 2015, 22:16:23
It's interesting--I think this keyset looks more different under different light than others I have. It does look a little too blue under most artificial light, but awesome under natural light.
My wife had the best line, however:
Wife: "What did you get?"
Me: "Keycaps--and a set I didn't think would ever be made. I'm a little afraid to open it--everyone else has been reporting bashed and damaged caps inside..."
Wife: "Well, if they wanted workers to treat the box better maybe they shouldn't print 'Massdrop' on the side"
Post by: NorrisB on Sun, 09 August 2015, 22:17:36
Reading the Massdrop thread is horrible, looks like the damage during shipping is the least of our worries from some of the pics I've seen. 90% sure I'll be sending my set back to Massdrop for a refund if the QC is as bad as it looks from photos. I've got 5 other sets from GMK and none of them display these problems, no way will this set see one of my boards with the faults on display when I've got so many other sets not being used. Pretty disappointing, this set really grew on me since the drop.
Nice post. I looked at my keys and they are exactly like this. I think all the sets are this bad.
There are definitely some legend oddities going on.
Legend bleed, crooked legend, curved F:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gXpoPNY.jpg)
Crooked 6:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wBVYmRH.jpg)
Uneven/crooked legend:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7oIJMNu.jpg)
Legend bleed, crooked F (less severe one):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/M8Sap0T.jpg)
Post by: beehatch on Sun, 09 August 2015, 22:20:16
Post by: romevi on Sun, 09 August 2015, 22:35:16
My set came in all jumbled, but all in the box. Other than flash and sprue, mine looks good. Granted, I didn't look *too hard* because it will look OK on the keyboard, and once flaws are seen, then can't be unseen. So, with nothing obviously wrong, I'm letting it go there, and I'm happy.Wait, you mean "shouldn't print"?
It's interesting--I think this keyset looks more different under different light than others I have. It does look a little too blue under most artificial light, but awesome under natural light.
My wife had the best line, however:
Wife: "What did you get?"
Me: "Keycaps--and a set I didn't think would ever be made. I'm a little afraid to open it--everyone else has been reporting bashed and damaged caps inside..."
Wife: "Well, if they wanted workers to treat the box better maybe they should print 'Massdrop' on the side"
Post by: Spopepro on Sun, 09 August 2015, 22:54:29
My set came in all jumbled, but all in the box. Other than flash and sprue, mine looks good. Granted, I didn't look *too hard* because it will look OK on the keyboard, and once flaws are seen, then can't be unseen. So, with nothing obviously wrong, I'm letting it go there, and I'm happy.Wait, you mean "shouldn't print"?
It's interesting--I think this keyset looks more different under different light than others I have. It does look a little too blue under most artificial light, but awesome under natural light.
My wife had the best line, however:
Wife: "What did you get?"
Me: "Keycaps--and a set I didn't think would ever be made. I'm a little afraid to open it--everyone else has been reporting bashed and damaged caps inside..."
Wife: "Well, if they wanted workers to treat the box better maybe they should print 'Massdrop' on the side"
Yes. TY.
Post by: filphil on Sun, 09 August 2015, 23:00:28
My set came in all jumbled, but all in the box. Other than flash and sprue, mine looks good. Granted, I didn't look *too hard* because it will look OK on the keyboard, and once flaws are seen, then can't be unseen. So, with nothing obviously wrong, I'm letting it go there, and I'm happy.
It's interesting--I think this keyset looks more different under different light than others I have. It does look a little too blue under most artificial light, but awesome under natural light.
My wife had the best line, however:
Wife: "What did you get?"
Me: "Keycaps--and a set I didn't think would ever be made. I'm a little afraid to open it--everyone else has been reporting bashed and damaged caps inside..."
Wife: "Well, if they wanted workers to treat the box better maybe they shouldn't print 'Massdrop' on the side"
You wife that woman right now.
Post by: beehatch on Sun, 09 August 2015, 23:02:07
My set came in all jumbled, but all in the box. Other than flash and sprue, mine looks good. Granted, I didn't look *too hard* because it will look OK on the keyboard, and once flaws are seen, then can't be unseen. So, with nothing obviously wrong, I'm letting it go there, and I'm happy.
It's interesting--I think this keyset looks more different under different light than others I have. It does look a little too blue under most artificial light, but awesome under natural light.
My wife had the best line, however:
Wife: "What did you get?"
Me: "Keycaps--and a set I didn't think would ever be made. I'm a little afraid to open it--everyone else has been reporting bashed and damaged caps inside..."
Wife: "Well, if they wanted workers to treat the box better maybe they shouldn't print 'Massdrop' on the side"
You wife that woman right now.
He already did.
Post by: filphil on Sun, 09 August 2015, 23:02:50
My set came in all jumbled, but all in the box. Other than flash and sprue, mine looks good. Granted, I didn't look *too hard* because it will look OK on the keyboard, and once flaws are seen, then can't be unseen. So, with nothing obviously wrong, I'm letting it go there, and I'm happy.
It's interesting--I think this keyset looks more different under different light than others I have. It does look a little too blue under most artificial light, but awesome under natural light.
My wife had the best line, however:
Wife: "What did you get?"
Me: "Keycaps--and a set I didn't think would ever be made. I'm a little afraid to open it--everyone else has been reporting bashed and damaged caps inside..."
Wife: "Well, if they wanted workers to treat the box better maybe they shouldn't print 'Massdrop' on the side"
You wife that woman right now.
He already did.
DO IT AGAIN
Post by: drewba on Sun, 09 August 2015, 23:08:15
(http://i.imgur.com/vwjgCP9.gif)My set came in all jumbled, but all in the box. Other than flash and sprue, mine looks good. Granted, I didn't look *too hard* because it will look OK on the keyboard, and once flaws are seen, then can't be unseen. So, with nothing obviously wrong, I'm letting it go there, and I'm happy.
It's interesting--I think this keyset looks more different under different light than others I have. It does look a little too blue under most artificial light, but awesome under natural light.
My wife had the best line, however:
Wife: "What did you get?"
Me: "Keycaps--and a set I didn't think would ever be made. I'm a little afraid to open it--everyone else has been reporting bashed and damaged caps inside..."
Wife: "Well, if they wanted workers to treat the box better maybe they shouldn't print 'Massdrop' on the side"
You wife that woman right now.
He already did.
DO IT AGAIN
Post by: romevi on Sun, 09 August 2015, 23:12:13
My set came in all jumbled, but all in the box. Other than flash and sprue, mine looks good. Granted, I didn't look *too hard* because it will look OK on the keyboard, and once flaws are seen, then can't be unseen. So, with nothing obviously wrong, I'm letting it go there, and I'm happy.
It's interesting--I think this keyset looks more different under different light than others I have. It does look a little too blue under most artificial light, but awesome under natural light.
My wife had the best line, however:
Wife: "What did you get?"
Me: "Keycaps--and a set I didn't think would ever be made. I'm a little afraid to open it--everyone else has been reporting bashed and damaged caps inside..."
Wife: "Well, if they wanted workers to treat the box better maybe they shouldn't print 'Massdrop' on the side"
You wife that woman right now.
He already did.
DO IT AGAIN
Dude bro, bro dude. You got to wait a few and drink some water before wifing a woman again.
Post by: cgbuen on Mon, 10 August 2015, 02:13:40
(http://i.imgur.com/4V7B0Ex.jpg)
Maybe this is how it should have been packed by GMK, because in order for the case's left and the right dimples to snap together and to have the case lay completely flat and uniform, the top layer's middle dimple should be in place in the bottom tray's recession (although these themselves don't snap together).
(http://i.imgur.com/W7qDM1c.jpg)
However, on further inspection of this scenario, I've realized that the tray is still garbage. Even with the left and right dimples locked, the outer rows' keys can still fly out the sides since the tray edges aren't locked. And all of the keys in the middle rows can still shift around with each other too. Neither of these is unreasonable to assume when in transit. So yeah, some more tape could've helped.
(http://i.imgur.com/pbrnGmk.jpg)
In any case, I guess I'm pretty lucky because I haven't really found huge amounts of actual keycap damage that I want to complain about.
Post by: bueller on Mon, 10 August 2015, 05:46:40
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 10 August 2015, 05:57:13
****ing DHL. I don't know what they're doing but my tracking has gone from New Jersey to Frankfurt in Germany. Sat there till the 5th and now it says it's departed there again for destination country. It's no wonder I've stopped buying keyboard ****, I have the worst damned track record for getting ****ed around.
Mine has apparently been in Sydney since Friday.
Actually that's a lot better than two other packages that seem to have disappeared completely.
Post by: calmfries on Mon, 10 August 2015, 06:04:07
****ing DHL. I don't know what they're doing but my tracking has gone from New Jersey to Frankfurt in Germany. Sat there till the 5th and now it says it's departed there again for destination country. It's no wonder I've stopped buying keyboard ****, I have the worst damned track record for getting ****ed around.On the same boat with you, at least yours departed. Mine still stuck with "processed sort facility" Deutschepost, DE since 4 days ago. :confused:
Post by: bueller on Mon, 10 August 2015, 06:07:49
Post by: calmfries on Mon, 10 August 2015, 06:10:24
I wonder if the sorting centre in NJ stuffed it up somehow, seems unusual that both our packages would go to Germany. Pretty weird - In the past DHL have always been incredibly fast at getting me my packages, about the only company faster is FedEx and they're way more expensive.Well, I noticed it's not usual DHL express tracking, instead it starts with GM.. and seems to be DHL eCommerce. No idea what's the difference though.
Post by: bueller on Mon, 10 August 2015, 06:12:48
I wonder if the sorting centre in NJ stuffed it up somehow, seems unusual that both our packages would go to Germany. Pretty weird - In the past DHL have always been incredibly fast at getting me my packages, about the only company faster is FedEx and they're way more expensive.Well, I noticed it's not usual DHL express tracking, instead it starts with GM.. and seems to be DHL eCommerce. No idea what's the difference though.
Have a feeling MD may have just changed the service they use, I had a Morakniv arrive a couple of weeks ago on the same service from them.
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 10 August 2015, 07:01:29
****ing DHL. I don't know what they're doing but my tracking has gone from New Jersey to Frankfurt in Germany. Sat there till the 5th and now it says it's departed there again for destination country. It's no wonder I've stopped buying keyboard ****, I have the worst damned track record for getting ****ed around.
Mine has apparently been in Sydney since Friday.
Actually that's a lot better than two other packages that seem to have disappeared completely.
Damn that's not bad. Mine has been "Manifested for Outbound Transportation" in NY for like 4 days now
Post by: madhias on Mon, 10 August 2015, 07:23:34
However, on further inspection of this scenario, I've realized that the tray is still garbage. Even with the left and right dimples locked, the outer rows' keys can still fly out the sides since the tray edges aren't locked. And all of the keys in the middle rows can still shift around with each other too. Neither of these is unreasonable to assume when in transit. So yeah, some more tape could've helped.
That's what I think also, the tray is garbage and the inventor should open, close and arrange caps for one week all the day, hundreds of trays. Maybe one week is too short, to see what product was invented! Even when I just carry the tray around, caps are flying around inside. Of course it could be mine was already worn out due to shipping, but it does not change that this tray is much worse than a simple, bullet proof plastic bag. I do think that scratches don't appear because of this tray or that caps are fallen outside, that's more GMK production related.
(http://i.imgur.com/jewZeXs.jpg)
Since I don't need the set (another group buy I participated in a rush like I-NEED-THAT) I've packed it and sold it, and sent it in the Massdrop box, but with some additional fixing:
(http://i.imgur.com/7txVHAm.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/X8Cejx1.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vBB8gWF.jpg)
And then I put this in the Massdrop box again:
(http://i.imgur.com/3UQnZqj.jpg)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 10 August 2015, 08:51:19
That tray really sucks, though. Not good for shipping or storage. It would have been a nice little bonus, but oh well.
The reason I came here to post is the color. That was a very odd choice, intelli. It's not terrible or anything, just much more blue than I had imagined it, as there is hardly any green component there. Definitely doesn't look to me like any of the pics on Massdrop of the vintage set, monitor calibration notwithstanding. Now, I'm not saying it's terrible, and that I can't stand the color, just that it's not at all what the images on Massdrop portrayed. Overall I think it's a nice set, just not what I expected.
Post by: bueller on Mon, 10 August 2015, 09:34:16
The reason I came here to post is the color. That was a very odd choice, intelli. It's not terrible or anything, just much more blue than I had imagined it, as there is hardly any green component there.
I've been thinking the same thing from the photos, it looks more like a Raindrop set than TA.
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 10 August 2015, 09:43:47
The reason I came here to post is the color. That was a very odd choice, intelli. It's not terrible or anything, just much more blue than I had imagined it, as there is hardly any green component there.
I've been thinking the same thing from the photos, it looks more like a Raindrop set than TA.
It's much, much darker than a raindrop. geniekid's picture with the dolch alphas makes it look like a much lighter blue than it actually is.
I'm not a professional color person by any stretch of the imagination, but it feels like a dark teal to me, but I understand where jdcarpe is coming from. It's definitely more saturated than I was initially expecting, but I think I like it better than the pictures that were with the massdrop page.
Post by: skycrimes on Mon, 10 August 2015, 09:45:36
I literally can't wait to get my replacement set, because I'm suspecting it's going to be **** too. :rolleyes:
you're getting the whole set replaced or just pieces?
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 10 August 2015, 09:52:28
The reason I came here to post is the color. That was a very odd choice, intelli. It's not terrible or anything, just much more blue than I had imagined it, as there is hardly any green component there.
I've been thinking the same thing from the photos, it looks more like a Raindrop set than TA.
This picture by jbondeson seems to me to be the best representation of the color:
(http://i.imgur.com/3I7q4Zp.jpg)
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 10 August 2015, 09:58:50
The reason I came here to post is the color. That was a very odd choice, intelli. It's not terrible or anything, just much more blue than I had imagined it, as there is hardly any green component there.
I've been thinking the same thing from the photos, it looks more like a Raindrop set than TA.
This picture by jbondeson seems to me to be the best representation of the color:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3I7q4Zp.jpg)
It's almost a spacey blue in this photo, I'm really anxious to receive mine :)
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 10 August 2015, 10:04:06
The reason I came here to post is the color. That was a very odd choice, intelli. It's not terrible or anything, just much more blue than I had imagined it, as there is hardly any green component there.
I've been thinking the same thing from the photos, it looks more like a Raindrop set than TA.
This picture by jbondeson seems to me to be the best representation of the color:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3I7q4Zp.jpg)
It's almost a spacey blue in this photo, I'm really anxious to receive mine :)
I think because the background is yellow, his camera didn't introduce extra green tones into the blue-teal mods.
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 10 August 2015, 10:07:30
The reason I came here to post is the color. That was a very odd choice, intelli. It's not terrible or anything, just much more blue than I had imagined it, as there is hardly any green component there.
I've been thinking the same thing from the photos, it looks more like a Raindrop set than TA.
This picture by jbondeson seems to me to be the best representation of the color:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3I7q4Zp.jpg)
im picking up my set after paying insane custom fees in about 2 hours, if that picture is colour accurate, ill be giving it away in about 3 hours
that isnt me saying its bad, it just wouldnt be what i wanted when i placed my order, fingers crossed im jsut having odd monitor colour issues for some reason tho
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Mon, 10 August 2015, 10:11:08
The reason I came here to post is the color. That was a very odd choice, intelli. It's not terrible or anything, just much more blue than I had imagined it, as there is hardly any green component there.
I've been thinking the same thing from the photos, it looks more like a Raindrop set than TA.
This picture by jbondeson seems to me to be the best representation of the color:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3I7q4Zp.jpg)
im picking up my set after paying insane custom fees in about 2 hours, if that picture is colour accurate, ill be giving it away in about 3 hours
In my opinion that picture is a little more blue than the set. Good luck with your set!
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 10 August 2015, 10:12:46
The reason I came here to post is the color. That was a very odd choice, intelli. It's not terrible or anything, just much more blue than I had imagined it, as there is hardly any green component there.
I've been thinking the same thing from the photos, it looks more like a Raindrop set than TA.
This picture by jbondeson seems to me to be the best representation of the color:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3I7q4Zp.jpg)
im picking up my set after paying insane custom fees in about 2 hours, if that picture is colour accurate, ill be giving it away in about 3 hours
In my opinion that picture is a little more blue than the set. Good luck with your set!
im hoping its closer to this in person
http://i.imgur.com/Ns6D25s.jpg
which is still not what i thought i was ordering, but is a lot closer than what im seeing in the pic above
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 10 August 2015, 10:17:17
I have no idea what color background would bring out the correct tones in both the alphas and the mods, but you'd basically have to look at different pictures to get the right colors for both.
im hoping its closer to this in person
http://i.imgur.com/Ns6D25s.jpg
which is still not what i thought i was ordering, but is a lot closer than what im seeing in the pic above
My board's at home but I'd say that looks pretty color accurate indoors for the mods, but the alphas are not as white as that photo makes them look.
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 10 August 2015, 10:19:55
This set is really hard to photograph (especially for someone like me who really sucks at it). I tried to get a couple different backgrounds and direct sunlight to bring out the colors, but it's really hard to capture what it looks like irl.
I have no idea what color background would bring out the correct tones in both the alphas and the mods, but you'd basically have to look at different pictures to get the right colors for both.im hoping its closer to this in person
http://i.imgur.com/Ns6D25s.jpg
which is still not what i thought i was ordering, but is a lot closer than what im seeing in the pic above
My board's at home but I'd say that looks pretty color accurate indoors for the mods, but the alphas are not as white as that photo makes them look.
thanks for the post sir, i would have said my one issue with that pic is how white the alphas look, so the fact you are saying that isnt the case makes me feel a bit happier in my trip to the post office to collect my set
Post by: bueller on Mon, 10 August 2015, 10:22:10
This set is really hard to photograph (especially for someone like me who really sucks at it). I tried to get a couple different backgrounds and direct sunlight to bring out the colors, but it's really hard to capture what it looks like irl.
I have no idea what color background would bring out the correct tones in both the alphas and the mods, but you'd basically have to look at different pictures to get the right colors for both.im hoping its closer to this in person
http://i.imgur.com/Ns6D25s.jpg
which is still not what i thought i was ordering, but is a lot closer than what im seeing in the pic above
My board's at home but I'd say that looks pretty color accurate indoors for the mods, but the alphas are not as white as that photo makes them look.
thanks for the post sir, i would have said my one issue with that pic is how white the alphas look, so the fact you are saying that isnt the case makes me feel a bit happier in my trip to the post office to collect my set
Yeah that's kind of what I meant when I described it as Raindrop, the alphas are really far from what I thought we were going with.
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 10 August 2015, 10:30:09
Yeah that's kind of what I meant when I described it as Raindrop, the alphas are really far from what I thought we were going with.
Intelli's on the record as saying he would have gone a shade darker for the alphas if he would have seen it on the cap instead of just the pantone chip. My first picture on the gray background probably brings out the gray better than the second on the yellow background.
I think the alphas will be fun to pair with other modifier sets.
Post by: snipars on Mon, 10 August 2015, 10:38:19
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 10 August 2015, 10:39:14
just paid my customs fee for TA, £20, hopefully my caps aren't in too bad condition, though if they are they'll probably just be replaced by hyperfuse
you are so lucky
my customs fee was 32 pounds for one set
scandalous
Post by: Jokrik on Mon, 10 August 2015, 10:41:11
just paid my customs fee for TA, £20, hopefully my caps aren't in too bad condition, though if they are they'll probably just be replaced by hyperfuse
you are so lucky
my customs fee was 32 pounds for one set
scandalous
That is hilarious
That's like 1/4 of the minimum wage here in my country
Post by: inanis on Mon, 10 August 2015, 10:41:18
(http://i.imgur.com/0kI0FlT.jpg)
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 10 August 2015, 10:49:03
just paid my customs fee for TA, £20, hopefully my caps aren't in too bad condition, though if they are they'll probably just be replaced by hyperfuse
you are so lucky
my customs fee was 32 pounds for one set
scandalous
Hooooly crap! UK Customs, brought to you today by "arbitrary" and "capricious"!
Post by: baldgye on Mon, 10 August 2015, 10:56:02
just paid my customs fee for TA, £20, hopefully my caps aren't in too bad condition, though if they are they'll probably just be replaced by hyperfuse
you are so lucky
my customs fee was 32 pounds for one set
scandalous
Hooooly crap! UK Customs, brought to you today by "arbitrary" and "capricious"!
The worst is when UPS turn up at your door and demand the exact money and it's usually something like £33.78 and they wont give change, so unless u got a bunch of change lying around your kinda screwed with notes
Post by: geniekid on Mon, 10 August 2015, 11:00:08
EDIT: These are my all my based on my personal sense of aesthetics. I think intell78 did a great job running this GB.
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 10 August 2015, 11:09:22
just paid my customs fee for TA, £20, hopefully my caps aren't in too bad condition, though if they are they'll probably just be replaced by hyperfuse
you are so lucky
my customs fee was 32 pounds for one set
scandalous
Hooooly crap! UK Customs, brought to you today by "arbitrary" and "capricious"!
The worst is when UPS turn up at your door and demand the exact money and it's usually something like £33.78 and they wont give change, so unless u got a bunch of change lying around your kinda screwed with notes
(off topic)
A visit to customs office costs $20-30 for me (+ the taxes ...) and a significant portion of my life force dealing with customs, so I gladly pay whatever at-door fees when I can get it that way (geekhack kind of screws things too, customs just google things, see geekhack links, and think you're part of some sort of hacking community, I suspect some of my keycap sets were held just for this reason, otherwise there is supposedly a system in place, where you pay government taxes at doorsteps too, but I had to visit the office anyway for keyboard stuff)
I hope I don't jinx it, but DHL Express+Shipito has been a life-saver for me, things arrive in 4 days without issues, I just let DHL deal with customs when needed by sending them the documents, if you initiate the process in 2 days, they don't take storage fees either - then I just pay the fees at the doorstep (I might have jinxed it now)
Still, since all of these are mostly observed black-box routines, I avoid mixing and mashing too many stuff to simplify the customs declaration which is kind of limiting
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 10 August 2015, 11:12:05
My personal opinion is either the alphas should've had a darker background (like this (http://cdn.keypuller.com/2014/09/TA-Dario-2-960x659.jpg)) or that the modifiers should've been greener/less saturated (like the pictures Massdrop were actually showing). Luckily I think Dolch alphas work great with TA mods and hopefully the TA alphas will look as good with Billnye's white-on-blue modifier set as it does in my head. We'll see :)
EDIT: These are my all my based on my personal sense of aesthetics. I think intell78 did a great job running this GB.
I was just thinking about billinye-blues+TA-alphas, but since there is no TA 1.75 Control, it's not an option for me
Can you please share Dolch+TA? :)
(I'm going to use Esc+Backspace with the Dolch alphas and other modifiers, or just the Backspace, just wondering how it looks so I can be prepared)
Post by: geniekid on Mon, 10 August 2015, 11:57:18
...
Can you please share Dolch+TA? :)
...
Dolch/TA (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70278.msg1826504#msg1826504)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Mon, 10 August 2015, 11:57:32
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 10 August 2015, 12:01:53
Is it normal that my set decided to have a stopover in Germany on its way here to me? It has finally arrived in this country now, but it was kind of odd to see that on the tracking info. Also makes me even more worried as to what kind of condition the box and the caps will be in when they get to my door.I would say it's normal. They usually transport packages through airplanes, so it was probably on a connecting flight from wherever to Germany, to Japan.
Post by: snipars on Mon, 10 August 2015, 12:12:23
just paid my customs fee for TA, £20, hopefully my caps aren't in too bad condition, though if they are they'll probably just be replaced by hyperfuse
you are so lucky
my customs fee was 32 pounds for one set
scandalous
aren't they only allowed to charge 20 quid? i think if they try to charge more you can contact them and say that you'll only pay 20
Post by: LechnerDE on Mon, 10 August 2015, 12:15:50
Not a single key has moved during the journey over the pond - I guess I am one lucky son of a ***** ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/mHUErUf.jpg)
I guess buying 2 sets helped to keep the trays aligned.
I inspected all my keys carefully and there is not a single scratch, so I doubt there were production issues. Yes, I can confirm the slight inconsistencies Nubbinator pointed out in his post, but I can hardly see it if I look closely. In fact it's so ridicously minor, that you will never notice it.
Colorwise I am quite happy. It looks like a raindrop set in my potato pics, but it's not quite the same. I agree that the alphas could have been a little darker, but it's ok.
The R5 profile is higher than I imagined. I don't really like it and I would have prefered normal arrow keys, but it's not a dealbreaker.
Here is my set on my Leopold (potato alert!)
(http://i.imgur.com/9w7Copw.jpg)
All in all I am happy with my set, but it's not the best set ever, so I will probably sell my 2nd one.
Thanks Intelli for all your efforts and launching the first GMK GB with custom colors :thumb:
Post by: madhias on Mon, 10 August 2015, 12:17:39
The reason I came here to post is the color. That was a very odd choice, intelli. It's not terrible or anything, just much more blue than I had imagined it, as there is hardly any green component there.
I've been thinking the same thing from the photos, it looks more like a Raindrop set than TA.
This picture by jbondeson seems to me to be the best representation of the color:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3I7q4Zp.jpg)
im picking up my set after paying insane custom fees in about 2 hours, if that picture is colour accurate, ill be giving it away in about 3 hours
In my opinion that picture is a little more blue than the set. Good luck with your set!
im hoping its closer to this in person
http://i.imgur.com/Ns6D25s.jpg
which is still not what i thought i was ordering, but is a lot closer than what im seeing in the pic above
In the most pics if not almost all the mods look too blue, I tried to get it somewhat correct but also failed, in reality it is or has greenish flavor:
(http://i.imgur.com/UJFrHBx.jpg)
Post by: rpeterclark on Mon, 10 August 2015, 12:24:42
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 10 August 2015, 12:25:07
i need to inspect it all properly but i have one key totally crushed and several pretty scratched up
Post by: LechnerDE on Mon, 10 August 2015, 12:29:56
just got my package, looks like it was dragged behind the delivery truck rather that placed inside it, im shocked it had anything left in it
i need to inspect it all properly but i have one key totally crushed and several pretty scratched up
Sorry to hear that. Hopefully Massdrop will replace it :thumb:
Do you at least like the color?
Post by: mason on Mon, 10 August 2015, 12:31:08
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blurry I know. The only scratch I found was on the left Alt
Post by: LechnerDE on Mon, 10 August 2015, 12:36:02
just got my 1800 today, here's a phone pic
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
blurry I know. The only scratch I found was on the left Alt
So your numpad "0" key is a different profile that the rest of the bottom row right?
I think there should have been at least a R5 blank key for that spot. Because of this little "flaw" I can't use my set on my Lightsaver :rolleyes:
Post by: mason on Mon, 10 August 2015, 12:49:05
So your numpad "0" key is a different profile that the rest of the bottom row right?
I think there should have been at least a R5 blank key for that spot. Because of this little "flaw" I can't use my set on my Lightsaver :rolleyes:
Unfortunately :( but it doesn't bother me because I barely use the numpad
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 10 August 2015, 12:52:52
just got my package, looks like it was dragged behind the delivery truck rather that placed inside it, im shocked it had anything left in it
i need to inspect it all properly but i have one key totally crushed and several pretty scratched up
Sorry to hear that. Hopefully Massdrop will replace it :thumb:
Do you at least like the color?
i just went through more, luckily i can just about make a winkeyless tenkeyless set without destroyed keys
as for the colours, i guess my thoughts having now seen it in person are much like other people have said, the colours arent bad, its not a bad set, its just not TA, and not what i thought i was ordering
that being said, stuff like this happens when you pick untested colours etc, a pantone chip can come out very different from a moulded cap, and without the ability to at first test the colours, there isnt much you can do to avoid it, i knew we were getting a custom colour set, so its a risk i knew i was taking on when ordering, what i am annoyed about is the packaging, from what i can tell on the box, my order was sent to germany from the US, then sent from the US to germany, then sent from germany to me, for what reason, i have no idea, but somewhere on its travels, it looked as if it had been used as a trampoline
the reason i say it took that route is, its in massdrop packaging, with a label with my address etc in english with their address on, then it has a label over the top of that one, again with my address on, but this time c/o a german address, with other german writing around the label, with deutchpost markings on it saying its sent from frankfurt
Post by: LechnerDE on Mon, 10 August 2015, 13:06:52
what i am annoyed about is the packaging, from what i can tell on the box, my order was sent to germany from the US, then sent from the US to germany, then sent from germany to me, for what reason, i have no idea, but somewhere on its travels, it looked as if it had been used as a trampoline
Yeah, the packaging was the worst. I really got lucky, but many others got screwed. Worst thing is that some tape around the trays would have prevented much of the damage...
At least my faith in GMK is restored as all the issues seem to originate from shipping and not from production.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 10 August 2015, 13:09:20
just got my package, looks like it was dragged behind the delivery truck rather that placed inside it, im shocked it had anything left in it
i need to inspect it all properly but i have one key totally crushed and several pretty scratched up
Sorry to hear that. Hopefully Massdrop will replace it :thumb:
Do you at least like the color?
i just went through more, luckily i can just about make a winkeyless tenkeyless set without destroyed keys
as for the colours, i guess my thoughts having now seen it in person are much like other people have said, the colours arent bad, its not a bad set, its just not TA, and not what i thought i was ordering
that being said, stuff like this happens when you pick untested colours etc, a pantone chip can come out very different from a moulded cap, and without the ability to at first test the colours, there isnt much you can do to avoid it, i knew we were getting a custom colour set, so its a risk i knew i was taking on when ordering, what i am annoyed about is the packaging, from what i can tell on the box, my order was sent to germany from the US, then sent from the US to germany, then sent from germany to me, for what reason, i have no idea, but somewhere on its travels, it looked as if it had been used as a trampoline
the reason i say it took that route is, its in massdrop packaging, with a label with my address etc in english with their address on, then it has a label over the top of that one, again with my address on, but this time c/o a german address, with other german writing around the label, with deutchpost markings on it saying its sent from frankfurt
I just can't understand the rationale behind shipping routes sometimes. So weird.
You guys are making me so nervous about arriving home tomorrow and seeing my set for the first time. Will I like the color, or will I hate it, or will it be meh? Will it be scratched? What about the one I'm proxying? How do I deal with that? Haha, I guess I'll just try to enjoy my time here and not think about it.
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 10 August 2015, 13:23:37
[...] what i am annoyed about is the packaging, from what i can tell on the box, my order was sent to germany from the US, then sent from the US to germany, then sent from germany to me, for what reason, i have no idea, but somewhere on its travels, it looked as if it had been used as a trampoline [...]
At the risk of being tedious, I'm going to repeat myself... Massdrop really needs to transform itself into a logistics company and not match-maker marketplace. The amount of waste that has resulted from this drop alone is staggering. Shipping should be their forte, not their achilles heel.
Post by: TBone on Mon, 10 August 2015, 13:53:21
just got my 1800 today, here's a phone pic
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
blurry I know. The only scratch I found was on the left Alt
Looks so good. I need to know. Where did you get that 1800 from!?!
Post by: mason on Mon, 10 August 2015, 14:47:57
Looks so good. I need to know. Where did you get that 1800 from!?!
Thanks ;D well I got it from eBay but it had the 1-1-1-6-1-1-1-1 bottom row but then I found a super generous guy to mod it for me. In the first pic you can see where the old switches would've been
Post by: ttzhou on Mon, 10 August 2015, 14:54:00
At the risk of being tedious, I'm going to repeat myself... Massdrop really needs to transform itself into a logistics company and not match-maker marketplace. The amount of waste that has resulted from this drop alone is staggering. Shipping should be their forte, not their achilles heel.
Greater men than you and I have tried to convince Massdrop of this. It's a lot easier said than done.
There was a fiasco a while back when they marked Granite shipments as an average price, IIRC, rather than what the customer actually ordered. You can imagine the customs hits...
Post by: romevi on Mon, 10 August 2015, 14:58:02
Post by: nightdriver on Mon, 10 August 2015, 16:38:14
just got my 1800 today, here's a phone pic
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
blurry I know. The only scratch I found was on the left Alt
So your numpad "0" key is a different profile that the rest of the bottom row right?
I think there should have been at least a R5 blank key for that spot. Because of this little "flaw" I can't use my set on my Lightsaver :rolleyes:
you could use a windows key...
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Mon, 10 August 2015, 16:42:57
It's pretty much impossible to accurately judge the colors on this set from photographs, you've just got to see it in person.
KUL ES-87 (Cherry MX Clear) w/Proton White top case + Fauxluminum Purple BroBot V2 + Acid Purple USB cable by ZealPC
(http://i.imgur.com/IiZJEEn.jpg)
#flippedspacebarforlyfe
(http://i.imgur.com/jTHEQHj.jpg)
Alphas look just about white here but definitely show as a very light grey in person; modifiers also look darker/ more saturated in person:
(http://i.imgur.com/7nKAhJg.jpg)
A few defects:
More
Scooped homing keys have quite a bit of backlight bleed
(http://i.imgur.com/WDp10Ue.jpg)
Mold defect in 1.5X Alt key
(http://i.imgur.com/SlTZPaK.jpg)
Dirt embedded in key (small but annoying)
(http://i.imgur.com/wkgojB4.jpg)
Teal modifiers change color quite a bit depending on the light you view them in; much more greenish under indoor lighting or by the glow of a monitor.
More
Monitor glow, not-whitebalanced (similar to appearance in person):
(http://i.imgur.com/Vx9o9HY.jpg)
Monitor glow, whiteblanced to neutral white on case:
(http://i.imgur.com/v0LxzkQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Vx9o9HY.jpg)
Monitor glow, whiteblanced to neutral white on case:
(http://i.imgur.com/v0LxzkQ.jpg)
Post by: calmfries on Mon, 10 August 2015, 16:42:59
This has got to be the hottest thread in the past week...Hot because of all that rage and disappointment about the scratches. While I'm still waiting for mine that stuck in Germany for few days with no obvious reason. Fml
Post by: PrinsPils on Mon, 10 August 2015, 17:08:00
Post by: nightdriver on Mon, 10 August 2015, 17:14:18
Post by: mason on Mon, 10 August 2015, 17:54:48
you could use a windows key...
I have to use those for - and +
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 10 August 2015, 19:11:14
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/afLU4gi.jpg)
Is that a Clack or a Cluck?
Post by: Joey Quinn on Mon, 10 August 2015, 20:02:14
*insert standard disclaimer regarding white balance & variations in monitors*
It's pretty much impossible to accurately judge the colors on this set from photographs, you've just got to see it in person.
KUL ES-87 (Cherry MX Clear) w/Proton White top case + Fauxluminum Purple BroBot V2 + Acid Purple USB cable by ZealPCShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/IiZJEEn.jpg)
#flippedspacebarforlyfeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/jTHEQHj.jpg)
Alphas look just about white here but definitely show as a very light grey in person; modifiers also look darker/ more saturated in person:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7nKAhJg.jpg)
A few defects:More
Scooped homing keys have quite a bit of backlight bleedShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/WDp10Ue.jpg)
Mold defect in 1.5X Alt keyShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/SlTZPaK.jpg)
Dirt embedded in key (small but annoying)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wkgojB4.jpg)
Teal modifiers change color quite a bit depending on the light you view them in; much more greenish under indoor lighting or by the glow of a monitor.
Here I am thinking my pink TA combo was good, someone needs to sell me a set of GMK purple mods so I can do this but on a 42%!
Post by: shibbyllama889 on Mon, 10 August 2015, 20:15:40
I wanted to say thanks to intelli for making this happen. A lot of things happened that were out of his control and he took partial responsibility which is more than he needs to. Thanks! :thumb:
Post by: shawn o on Mon, 10 August 2015, 21:04:02
(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/mn_pikey/TA_zpsi7bclezq.jpg)
Post by: Spopepro on Mon, 10 August 2015, 21:19:41
Doesn't look like TA caps to me. I have an original.Show Image(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/mn_pikey/TA_zpsi7bclezq.jpg)
Nothing will look like TA caps because it seems like no 2 sets of real TA caps are actually the same at this point. Replicating something that seems exist in people's minds alone (i.e. people want the plantonic ideal of TA, but everyone seems to have a slightly different ideal) appears to have been a fool's errand.
With all that said: The caps are pretty on their own. I would have been happier with a little more green.
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 10 August 2015, 21:36:26
GMK TA came out as something entirely new. We won't really know how close we got until intelli or someone else with the Real McCoy can give us a photoshoot of real TA side-by-side GMK TA, rather than screenshots of two different digital photographs.
Next round we can go greener mods, grayer keys, and can leave special instructions to mix the colors more thoroughly, QA test the colors for translucency under backlit conditions, etc.
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 10 August 2015, 21:38:24
Doesn't look like TA caps to me.Show Image(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/mn_pikey/TA_zpsi7bclezq.jpg)
As soon as I saw your username, I knew it would just be some salty remark, because that's all you had to offer throughout the entire GB.
You picked one of the most color-inaccurate photos that's been posted yet. Let's try that again.
(http://i.imgur.com/8ZVJJV4.jpg)
I have an original.
No you don't. You wouldn't be asking questions like this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65724.msg1655311#msg1655311) if you did. You don't even have the GMK set (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70278.msg1706830#msg1706830). You're fibbing bigtime just to stir the pot.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 10 August 2015, 21:41:30
Doesn't look like TA caps to me.Show Image(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/mn_pikey/TA_zpsi7bclezq.jpg)
As soon as I saw your username, I knew it would just be some salty remark, because that's all you had to offer throughout the entire GB.
You picked one of the most color-inaccurate photos that's been posted yet. Let's try that again.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8ZVJJV4.jpg)I have an original.
No you don't. You wouldn't be asking questions like this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65724.msg1655311#msg1655311) if you did. You don't even have the GMK set (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70278.msg1706830#msg1706830). You're fibbing bigtime just to stir the pot.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/10/27bcde80f86a0569b4d3e9c5f6b79553.jpg)
Post by: stoic-lemon on Mon, 10 August 2015, 21:52:01
Other than that I am pretty pleased with the set. I love the colours and am not too bothered about accuracy with one of the many pictures we saw before. Thanks to intelli78 for his hard work getting this going and I hope he thinks about running another buy in the future.
On the other hand, I am now very wary of joining another Massdrop unless I see them deal with this situation with concrete changes and replacing keys for those that need them. Some of us have been far luckier than others, but it could have easily been different.
(http://i.imgur.com/XkBk7Ntl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SIpW2Udm.jpg)
Post by: TBone on Mon, 10 August 2015, 21:59:53
Doesn't look like TA caps to me.Show Image(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/mn_pikey/TA_zpsi7bclezq.jpg)
As soon as I saw your username, I knew it would just be some salty remark, because that's all you had to offer throughout the entire GB.
You picked one of the most color-inaccurate photos that's been posted yet. Let's try that again.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8ZVJJV4.jpg)I have an original.
No you don't. You wouldn't be asking questions like this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65724.msg1655311#msg1655311) if you did. You don't even have the GMK set (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70278.msg1706830#msg1706830). You're fibbing bigtime just to stir the pot.
Right on intelli :thumb:
/r/quityourbull**** material?? Hahaha :))
Post by: romevi on Mon, 10 August 2015, 22:08:43
Dayum. That's the biggest #rekt I've seen in a while.Doesn't look like TA caps to me.Show Image(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/mn_pikey/TA_zpsi7bclezq.jpg)
As soon as I saw your username, I knew it would just be some salty remark, because that's all you had to offer throughout the entire GB.
You picked one of the most color-inaccurate photos that's been posted yet. Let's try that again.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8ZVJJV4.jpg)I have an original.
No you don't. You wouldn't be asking questions like this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65724.msg1655311#msg1655311) if you did. You don't even have the GMK set (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70278.msg1706830#msg1706830). You're fibbing bigtime just to stir the pot.
Post by: ttzhou on Mon, 10 August 2015, 22:40:35
Dayum. That's the biggest #rekt I've seen in a while.
The silence is deafening.
Post by: Belfong on Mon, 10 August 2015, 23:36:05
(http://i.imgur.com/ynYusIr.jpg)
Post by: Poozles on Mon, 10 August 2015, 23:45:03
I have to say though I do love the color!
Post by: bueller on Mon, 10 August 2015, 23:55:42
Calvin, mine already arrived in Malaysia Post. Not sure when it will reach me.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ynYusIr.jpg)
Ugh, that does not give me much hope for my package. No update for the last 6 days.
(http://i.imgur.com/B52mAiu.png)
Post by: jonathanyu on Tue, 11 August 2015, 00:48:20
(http://imgur.com/lF6YS7L.jpg)
Probably one of the worst condition set. The box seems got beaten up really bad. Not a single key left in the tray.
I am still counting how many keys have scratches :-X
Post by: Polymer on Tue, 11 August 2015, 00:59:48
Post by: justnits on Tue, 11 August 2015, 01:09:48
Show Image(http://imgur.com/998OcuT.jpg)Show Image(http://imgur.com/lF6YS7L.jpg)
Probably one of the worst condition set. The box seems got beaten up really bad. Not a single key left in the tray.
I am still counting how many keys have scratches :-X
so, you bought an empty GMK tray that is packed with air pack and plastic keycaps? :p
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 11 August 2015, 01:28:43
Dolch, GMK RA, GMK Ollivetti numpad + signs are all like that.
(http://i.imgur.com/iphuukc.jpg)
Before anyone asks, scooped F&J also have "less" doubleshot plastic to fit the scoops. The legend only takes up the top left corner.
Post by: GSimon on Tue, 11 August 2015, 01:35:52
Show Image(http://imgur.com/998OcuT.jpg)Show Image(http://imgur.com/lF6YS7L.jpg)
Probably one of the worst condition set. The box seems got beaten up really bad. Not a single key left in the tray.
I am still counting how many keys have scratches :-X
so, you bought an empty GMK tray that is packed with air pack and plastic keycaps? :p
I think the keys might have had a better shot without the tray and just thrown in with the bubble packs. In the tray they just bounce on top of each other in a more confined space and scratch up.
On another note, here's my shipping statuses:
Carrier Information:
Date Time Status
07/31/2015 16:36 Electronic shipping information received
07/31/2015 19:51 Shipment has left seller facility and is in transit to carrier
07/31/2015 20:10 Received by US Carrier
08/06/2015 10:45 Processed by US Carrier
08/06/2015 13:01 In Transit to Post Office/Delivery Agent - For export
Post Operator:
08/06/2015 10:00 Pre-Shipment Info Sent To Usps
08/10/2015 08:47 Arrived in Destination Country
08/10/2015 08:47 Into Customs
10 days in shipping :O, normally not a concern, but I can just picture those keeps getting banged up more with each day.
Post by: jonathanyu on Tue, 11 August 2015, 01:50:13
btw, just counted there are about 30 keycaps have scratches.
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 11 August 2015, 01:52:24
I honestly don't see why everyone is complaining about the missing plastic on the numpad + key. It was designed that way so it wouldn't interfere with (presumably) plate mounted Cherry stabilizers.
Dolch, GMK RA, GMK Ollivetti numpad + signs are all like that.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/iphuukc.jpg)
Before anyone asks, scooped F&J also have "less" doubleshot plastic to fit the scoops. The legend only takes up the top left corner.
Thanks for pointing that out!
As I stated in my previous posts I don't see any quality issues with this set. All the imperfections some people noticed were caused by the abysmal packaging.
The light bleeding stuff is also not new. You can see the same effects with the CMYW Mods. I guess bright colors can't block all the light from the LEDs. It's a physics thing.
I have the feeling that people are overly critical and look for the tiniest issues, because they are frustrated about their damaged keys.
Don't get me wrong - you guys have all the right to complain! Scratched keys are unacceptable, but this was not GMK's fault. They never claimed their trays were suitable for single shipping.
They stacked 1000 orders, packed them perfectly and send them to Massdrop. Then **** got messed up....
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 11 August 2015, 01:54:26
Calvin, mine already arrived in Malaysia Post. Not sure when it will reach me.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ynYusIr.jpg)
Ugh, that does not give me much hope for my package. No update for the last 6 days.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/B52mAiu.png)
Hey Bueller - when you load the dhl global mail page it will show who is actually carrying the package and a tracking number for them - mine wisted as DAI.
I took my tracking number over to the DAI website and it has much more updates there. Last I checked the DHL page said "Transport to Destination Country" from 5 days ago but the DAI one shows that my sets are already in Sydney. Hope that helps
Post by: GSimon on Tue, 11 August 2015, 01:56:43
Just my opinion about the tray. I think the tray were designed to stack up one by one for bulk shipment but not for shipping individually. I think it is not gmk fault that keycaps cant stay in the tray while shipping individually. Massdrop can prevent this happen by simply taping all sides of the tray.
This first part makes sense but MassDrop taping the sides would do nothing. The keys are moving around within the case, contained with tape or not.
The keys need cases like this one:
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFgxMDAw/z/NOEAAOSwh6xTttxK/$_57.JPG)
where the keys are fitted to the case with those circular stems.
They stacked 1000 orders, packed them perfectly and send them to Massdrop. Then **** got messed up....
MassDrop messing it up makes more sense, GMK doesn't ship sets ever 1 at a time AFAIK and I'd imagine they've done this before. Still, bad foresight on GMK's part to not consider that they would be shipped out individually later which could cause problems
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 11 August 2015, 01:56:57
Calvin, mine already arrived in Malaysia Post. Not sure when it will reach me.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ynYusIr.jpg)
Ugh, that does not give me much hope for my package. No update for the last 6 days.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/B52mAiu.png)
That's nothing - I have a Bro Caps package that hasn't seen updates for more than 3 weeks!
At least the TA one has been updated recently.
Post by: jonathanyu on Tue, 11 August 2015, 01:58:22
Just my opinion about the tray. I think the tray were designed to stack up one by one for bulk shipment but not for shipping individually. I think it is not gmk fault that keycaps cant stay in the tray while shipping individually. Massdrop can prevent this happen by simply taping all sides of the tray.
This first part makes sense but MassDrop taping the sides would do nothing. The are moving around within the case, contained with tape or not.
The keys need cases like this one:Show Image(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTAwMFgxMDAw/z/NOEAAOSwh6xTttxK/$_57.JPG)
where the keys are fitted to the case with those circular stems.
taping all sides would still better than all keycaps having party in the whole box....
Post by: jonathanyu on Tue, 11 August 2015, 02:02:28
Anyone else think the legends are little bit blurry and not as sharp as the old GMK sets?
Post by: naps250 on Tue, 11 August 2015, 02:04:44
Post by: KatzenKinder on Tue, 11 August 2015, 02:05:36
Post by: GSimon on Tue, 11 August 2015, 02:07:37
taping all sides would still better than all keycaps having party in the whole box....
I hear ya, but is that even better? Would still take just as long to sort out, would just appear marginally less chaotic.
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 11 August 2015, 02:07:57
Show Image(http://imgur.com/998OcuT.jpg)Show Image(http://imgur.com/lF6YS7L.jpg)
Probably one of the worst condition set. The box seems got beaten up really bad. Not a single key left in the tray.
I am still counting how many keys have scratches :-X
The impressive part of this picture is just how little distance they traveled from MD to you. I think you're one of, if not the, closest user to where massdrop is.
Just my opinion about the tray. I think the tray were designed to stack up one by one for bulk shipment but not for shipping individually. I think it is not gmk fault that keycaps cant stay in the tray while shipping individually. Massdrop can prevent this happen by simply taping all sides of the tray.
btw, just counted there are about 30 keycaps have scratches.
It would also help if massdrop's shipping center knew how to box things securely. Properly sized box would be like step one. And considering how sloppy the packaging looks, who knows how many of these empty tray, box full of caps were like this before they even left massdrop's possession.
It legitimately looks like they started with a box for a tkl, threw the caps in, ripped off enough of those bubble things to stretch across the box and sealed it up, then started stacking to the rafters.
Post by: stoic-lemon on Tue, 11 August 2015, 02:08:06
I honestly don't see why everyone is complaining about the missing plastic on the numpad + key. It was designed that way so it wouldn't interfere with (presumably) plate mounted Cherry stabilizers.
Dolch, GMK RA, GMK Ollivetti numpad + signs are all like that.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/iphuukc.jpg)
Before anyone asks, scooped F&J also have "less" doubleshot plastic to fit the scoops. The legend only takes up the top left corner.
Well I'll be.....Guess I have nothing to complain about :D Thanks for pointing that out. There really is nothing else I can see wrong with the quality of the caps produced here.
Post by: naviman on Tue, 11 August 2015, 04:47:50
Has anyone used this on an ISO keyboard? If so I'd love to see a photo.
I think the set looks fantastic :thumb: Not sure if I'll like the feel after using the PBT ones on the POK3R but we'll see :D
Post by: filphil on Tue, 11 August 2015, 05:01:49
Took me a good 20 minutes re-arranging all the keys in the box! Then again it's better than doing work so I'm not complaining :p
Has anyone used this on an ISO keyboard? If so I'd love to see a photo.
I think the set looks fantastic :thumb: Not sure if I'll like the feel after using the PBT ones on the POK3R but we'll see :D
My impressions from using granite and retro dsa was that I liked the softness abs provides over the hard pbt.
It might be different when comparing thick cherry profile caps but I have no reason to think so. You'll know what your preference is soon enough.
Post by: dimmu on Tue, 11 August 2015, 06:15:40
Anyone else think the legends are little bit blurry and not as sharp as the old GMK sets?
this would be my main concern. the dolch was really sharp but when i received the ta, i thought it was perfect at first until i started placing them right next to the gmk dolch set. the legends almost look like taihao right next to the other set. i don't think it was intelli's fault tho and this is the first custom color gmk buy so i can give gmk a pass for that but the quality needs to improve.
i'm still satisfied with the set and will gladly join on another custom gmk run.
Post by: kacase on Tue, 11 August 2015, 06:41:21
I honestly don't see why everyone is complaining about the missing plastic on the numpad + key. It was designed that way so it wouldn't interfere with (presumably) plate mounted Cherry stabilizers.
Dolch, GMK RA, GMK Ollivetti numpad + signs are all like that.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/iphuukc.jpg)
Before anyone asks, scooped F&J also have "less" doubleshot plastic to fit the scoops. The legend only takes up the top left corner.
Thanks for pointing that out!
As I stated in my previous posts I don't see any quality issues with this set. All the imperfections some people noticed were caused by the abysmal packaging.
The light bleeding stuff is also not new. You can see the same effects with the CMYW Mods. I guess bright colors can't block all the light from the LEDs. It's a physics thing.
I have the feeling that people are overly critical and look for the tiniest issues, because they are frustrated about their damaged keys.
Don't get me wrong - you guys have all the right to complain! Scratched keys are unacceptable, but this was not GMK's fault. They never claimed their trays were suitable for single shipping.
They stacked 1000 orders, packed them perfectly and send them to Massdrop. Then **** got messed up....
I collected my set from customs yesterday and was just as lucky as you. Not a single cap had shifted.
However I have also, like so many others found a lot of quality issues. A couple of the keycaps in my set were scratched anyway. This can not have been due to shipping, as all my caps were still perfectly in place.
I am sad to report that (at least some of the scratches) are GMKs fault.
Also my right long shift has a dark swirl, which looks like the pigments were not mixed into the plastic properly. This "swirl" is not on the side, but on the top unlike what most have seen so far.
Another production issue is that there is some sort of dirt inside the plastic of my U cap. It is of orangy colour and right next to the legend. From far away it looks like a crumble, however I have tried cleaning the cap with alcohol, gently with a tissue and once i got a bit annoyed carefully with an xacto knife. None of these however led to results. It seems to be some kind of dirt, that is molten right into the keycap.
I will post pictures later today, once I arrive at home.
Post by: shawn o on Tue, 11 August 2015, 08:45:41
Post by: kacase on Tue, 11 August 2015, 08:49:38
intelli78, can you please post a pic of your TA board next to the new GMK matched set? I'd like to see how close they are and there will be no light difference then.
After skipping on this group buy I purchased a board on German Ebay and it seems like the GMK keys are much bluer than my TA set.
there was no such board "on german ebay"
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 11 August 2015, 08:51:05
intelli78, can you please post a pic of your TA board next to the new GMK matched set? I'd like to see how close they are and there will be no light difference then.
After skipping on this group buy I purchased a board on German Ebay and it seems like the GMK keys are much bluer than my TA set.
I'd be very curious for you to show us a link of said auction.
Post by: ttzhou on Tue, 11 August 2015, 08:51:36
intelli78, can you please post a pic of your TA board next to the new GMK matched set? I'd like to see how close they are and there will be no light difference then.
After skipping on this group buy I purchased a board on German Ebay and it seems like the GMK keys are much bluer than my TA set.
Can you post a picture of your board with a timestamp as well? I'm quite interested in seeing boards purchased from German Ebay, especially from someone as reputable as yourself.
Post by: Johan on Tue, 11 August 2015, 09:35:49
They seem fine.
One of the 1.25 alt keys has a bit of the... Lets call it paint issue. No clear scratches on any of the keys. Casting marks are definitely there, seems more prominent on the teal keys.
Also the text is a bit off misaligned on some of the caps. Especially the ISO shift key.
I'm not super happy with the quality. The tray is nice but I would rather have skipped it and got a lower shipping cost.
Post by: TBone on Tue, 11 August 2015, 09:44:51
For reference:
(http://i01.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/1864635459_1/Pink-White-Purple-Red-Printed-font-b-Ducky-b-font-font-b-keycaps-b-font-for.jpg)
Post by: Nai_Calus on Tue, 11 August 2015, 10:03:19
I honestly don't see why everyone is complaining about the missing plastic on the numpad + key. It was designed that way so it wouldn't interfere with (presumably) plate mounted Cherry stabilizers.
Dolch, GMK RA, GMK Ollivetti numpad + signs are all like that.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/iphuukc.jpg)
Before anyone asks, scooped F&J also have "less" doubleshot plastic to fit the scoops. The legend only takes up the top left corner.
Because it looks like this from the outside:
(http://www.iankunx.net/scratchplus.jpg)
I would give zero ****s and probably not even notice it if it didn't show right through to the outside, but it does, so much so that I initially thought it was a huge scuff. It's noticable in pretty much every photo I've seen that includes a numberpad and actually looks worse to me than the heavy scratching on my Windows key. :p
If your keys there exhibit the same, then egads. If they don't, then clearly something went horribly wrong on TA.
Post by: LechnerDE on Tue, 11 August 2015, 10:44:11
I collected my set from customs yesterday and was just as lucky as you. Not a single cap had shifted.
However I have also, like so many others found a lot of quality issues. A couple of the keycaps in my set were scratched anyway. This can not have been due to shipping, as all my caps were still perfectly in place.
I am sad to report that (at least some of the scratches) are GMKs fault.
Also my right long shift has a dark swirl, which looks like the pigments were not mixed into the plastic properly. This "swirl" is not on the side, but on the top unlike what most have seen so far.
Another production issue is that there is some sort of dirt inside the plastic of my U cap. It is of orangy colour and right next to the legend. From far away it looks like a crumble, however I have tried cleaning the cap with alcohol, gently with a tissue and once i got a bit annoyed carefully with an xacto knife. None of these however led to results. It seems to be some kind of dirt, that is molten right into the keycap.
I will post pictures later today, once I arrive at home.
Hmm, that's odd. I didn't find a single scratch on my keys. No swirls either. Shouldn't all keys have the same flaw if it was a molding issue?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 11 August 2015, 11:33:09
Dirt embedded in key (small but annoying)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wkgojB4.jpg)
As I've mentioned before, injection molding is not my area of expertise (I do flat die extrusion), but based on what I do know about extrusion in general, I would not expect this to be true dirt. It's likely what my industry would call a "carbon", and what the injection industry seems to call a "black spot (http://www.kenplas.com/service/imtroubleshooting.aspx#Black Spots, Brown streaks)", which would be caused by essentially burning the resin in the extruder.
It may seem like petty semantics, but I just wanted to mention it because if it were actually dirt that would be very bad. This (carbon / black spot) is still unacceptable to make its way to the finished product, but is a completely reasonable thing to expect to occur during production.
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 11 August 2015, 13:07:53
Looking at the designs of the trays, it's very clear to me that the trays are designed to be nested together, and rely on pressure from trays below and above to hold keys in place. They are not appropriate for loose-packed shipping of individual sets.
Post by: cjhard on Tue, 11 August 2015, 13:51:45
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 11 August 2015, 14:04:40
I'm curious how or why Numpad + got the white streak while it's not the only key with a chunk of the legend shot "missing" by design. ISO Enter is the same on all GMK keys, but it doesn't have that mark.
That's surprising to me as well.
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 11 August 2015, 14:12:23
I think it has to do with the profile, but I am not sure as I don't have enough sets to test it.I'm curious how or why Numpad + got the white streak while it's not the only key with a chunk of the legend shot "missing" by design. ISO Enter is the same on all GMK keys, but it doesn't have that mark.
That's surprising to me as well.
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 11 August 2015, 14:16:46
I do wonder why GMK did not do a test batch before full production, to see how successfully the new colors mixed together. But maybe they consider 500 sets, or however many were ordered, a small test batch anyway.
Post by: taylordcraig on Tue, 11 August 2015, 14:18:18
Still in customs. =/
Post by: henz on Tue, 11 August 2015, 14:35:42
I'm nervous to get my set, hope there aren't any large scratches when it arrives.
Still in customs. =/
mine is coming, and with a phat customs toll :(
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 11 August 2015, 15:37:50
I think it has to do with the profile, but I am not sure as I don't have enough sets to test it.I'm curious how or why Numpad + got the white streak while it's not the only key with a chunk of the legend shot "missing" by design. ISO Enter is the same on all GMK keys, but it doesn't have that mark.
That's surprising to me as well.
ISO enter and Numpad + are the same row profile though.
Post by: techmattr on Tue, 11 August 2015, 16:16:03
MoreShow Image(http://imgur.com/998OcuT.jpg)MoreShow Image(http://imgur.com/lF6YS7L.jpg)
Probably one of the worst condition set. The box seems got beaten up really bad. Not a single key left in the tray.
I am still counting how many keys have scratches :-X
(http://i.imgur.com/JpeNgEe.gif)
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 11 August 2015, 19:42:33
Post by: bueller on Tue, 11 August 2015, 20:44:29
Has anyone in Australia received their sets yet? What was the condition like?
Mine arrived in Australia on Sunday, still waiting on the local carrier to deliver. You can be sure I'll post some pics when they arrive.
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Tue, 11 August 2015, 21:23:33
I got my set today and of course I had $30 to pay in taxes on it.
Discolorations on the left shift in that swirl that people have talked about.
All of my keys made it to my house in the tray though.
Which is a bit funny because I'm all the way in Canada and it seems a lot of the USA customers had the issue with the tray.
Otherwise my legends all seem to be good. There's no bleed through on my mobik (because that's on PCB and not in switch). No scratches or anything like that.
Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 12 August 2015, 00:17:28
I'm in the crushed box and exploded cap gang. No damage that has stood out to me as far as the caps are concerned. I looked them over as I was rearranging them in the case. The wors one was the + key for the numpad which I have seen other people have the same issue. That one is on GMK.
Other than that I am pretty pleased with the set. I love the colours and am not too bothered about accuracy with one of the many pictures we saw before. Thanks to intelli78 for his hard work getting this going and I hope he thinks about running another buy in the future.
On the other hand, I am now very wary of joining another Massdrop unless I see them deal with this situation with concrete changes and replacing keys for those that need them. Some of us have been far luckier than others, but it could have easily been different.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XkBk7Ntl.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SIpW2Udm.jpg)
By the way, I don't know whether this is mentioned but, I was just about to give an ISO Enter as a gift, it's from Ivan's GB, I noticed that it also has the side gaps that people complain about, so it's not something unique to this GB
I believe most of the issues are triggered by Massdrop, with their carelessness, they just fuel everyone's fire
I don't think most of these issues would be noticed if they didn't screw up with shipping again, otherwise minor issues like these exist with most sets (GMK included, obviously it's a bit more with this GB, but still ...)
Post by: whentheclouds on Wed, 12 August 2015, 09:17:18
:p...
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 12 August 2015, 09:53:58
Has anyone in Australia received their sets yet? What was the condition like?
Mine arrived in Australia on Sunday, still waiting on the local carrier to deliver. You can be sure I'll post some pics when they arrive.
I'll post mine too
Hope yours arrive in a decent condition
Post by: snipars on Wed, 12 August 2015, 10:09:05
(http://i.imgur.com/nry4lGS.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/FhlAFOe.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/X3UOtgr.jpg)
Post by: digi on Wed, 12 August 2015, 10:16:27
i was surprised to see my set arrived in perfect condition!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/nry4lGS.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FhlAFOe.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/X3UOtgr.jpg)
nice Octagon, your spacebar is backwards btw, just a heads-up. :))
Post by: snipars on Wed, 12 August 2015, 10:22:38
i was surprised to see my set arrived in perfect condition!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/nry4lGS.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FhlAFOe.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/X3UOtgr.jpg)
nice Octagon, your spacebar is backwards btw, just a heads-up. :))
har-har
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 12 August 2015, 10:26:46
(http://i.imgur.com/GaFGpZp.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/xzOaMMW.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/LwZNI2U.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ej7Ogq3.png)
Post by: romevi on Wed, 12 August 2015, 10:34:53
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/rcryiE0.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GaFGpZp.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xzOaMMW.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LwZNI2U.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ej7Ogq3.png)
That looks absolutely beautiful.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 12 August 2015, 10:45:12
These pics from Reddit are also very close to reality, again on my monitor:
(http://i.imgur.com/AO9oBZJ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/FNEMwRS.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/iKKK9jP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/XUvbzbv.jpg)
Post by: snipars on Wed, 12 August 2015, 10:49:19
Yep, nice pics techmattr! Looking really good. On my monitor I'd say the colors are a little dark but overall those are some of the most accurate photos posted so far.
These pics from Reddit are also very close to reality, again on my monitor:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AO9oBZJ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FNEMwRS.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/iKKK9jP.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XUvbzbv.jpg)
interesting, for me the colours in these pictures are really very different to reality, i guess my monitors are all not calibrated greatly
Post by: whentheclouds on Wed, 12 August 2015, 10:51:23
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 12 August 2015, 10:54:18
interesting, for me the colours in these pictures are really very different to reality, i guess my monitors are all not calibrated greatly
Our monitors may be showing very different colors. Also, your real life perception is going to change depending on the ambient light, the keys look a lot different in direct sunlight vs. diffuse incandescent lighting, etc.
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 12 August 2015, 10:54:49
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/rcryiE0.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GaFGpZp.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xzOaMMW.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LwZNI2U.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ej7Ogq3.png)
That looks absolutely beautiful.
Thanks! I was one of the lucky ones. I got two nearly flawless sets.
Yep, nice pics techmattr! Looking really good. On my monitor I'd say the colors are a little dark but overall those are some of the most accurate photos posted so far.
These pics from Reddit are also very close to reality, again on my monitor:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AO9oBZJ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FNEMwRS.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/iKKK9jP.jpg)
Thanks! I did a bit of tweaking in PS but my original were jpg and editing was done on a non-calibrated monitor. My color accurate monitor is in storage =\ but I might try calibrating the monitor I'm using now and taking a couple RAW shots.
Yep, nice pics techmattr! Looking really good. On my monitor I'd say the colors are a little dark but overall those are some of the most accurate photos posted so far.
These pics from Reddit are also very close to reality, again on my monitor:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AO9oBZJ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FNEMwRS.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/iKKK9jP.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XUvbzbv.jpg)
interesting, for me the colours in these pictures are really very different to reality, i guess my monitors are all not calibrated greatly
It's funny looking at my own pictures on my work laptop they look completely different than on my workstation.... color calibration is always an issue but with colors like this the discrepancies are multiplied greatly.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:03:10
intelli, can we have a picture of both the caps and the pantone chip you used, in the same photo?
(http://i.imgur.com/WplnKoP.jpg)
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:06:23
I still see this set as being far more blue than the original. I also have no calibrated monitors, thus I'd like to see it all in one photo under the same light
Post by: BunnyLake on Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:07:02
(http://i.imgur.com/T7CUre3.jpg)
Post by: GSimon on Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:07:49
(http://i.imgur.com/r0G5obX.png)
Perfect set (from the outset), not a key out of place. Gotta say that made biting the customs fee a lot easier.
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:11:33
Dang. I am so glad A-profile got in.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qVL2xiQ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T7CUre3.jpg)
Post by: BunnyLake on Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:14:43
Dang. I am so glad A-profile got in.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qVL2xiQ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T7CUre3.jpg)
surprised you didnt comment on the board they are on
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:15:35
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qVL2xiQ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T7CUre3.jpg)
Nice pictures Bunny :thumb:
What case is this?
Edit: Oh wait is this the TEK80?!
Post by: stoic-lemon on Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:16:03
Dang. I am so glad A-profile got in.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qVL2xiQ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T7CUre3.jpg)
surprised you didnt comment on the board they are on
Was waiting for someone to tell me what board that is.
Post by: BunnyLake on Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:16:14
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qVL2xiQ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T7CUre3.jpg)
Nice pictures Bunny :thumb:
What case is this?
tek-80
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:16:50
surprised you didnt comment on the board they are onIt's a perfect match. I'm glad you took some pics of it with this set on actually.. It's a combo I've always wanted to see ;D
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:17:22
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qVL2xiQ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T7CUre3.jpg)
Nice pictures Bunny :thumb:
What case is this?
tek-80
How much bribe money was needed to get it out of Photekq's hands? :p
Post by: BunnyLake on Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:24:27
surprised you didnt comment on the board they are onIt's a perfect match. I'm glad you took some pics of it with this set on actually.. It's a combo I've always wanted to see ;D
they are just some quick one and done snaps whilst i was putting it on the board
Post by: BunnyLake on Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:24:55
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qVL2xiQ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T7CUre3.jpg)
Nice pictures Bunny :thumb:
What case is this?
tek-80
How much bribe money was needed to get it out of Photekq's hands? :p
ive had it a long time, over a year i would think at this point
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:37:35
Dang. I am so glad A-profile got in.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qVL2xiQ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T7CUre3.jpg)
Yeah, a few of us have 84- or 86-key boards to use the set with, so it works fine with those. It just limits which keyboard I can use it on, as I only have two 84-key boards anymore. The LZ-GH has orange backlighting, so that one's a no-go for me. The TA set will be fixed permanently to my KMAC. I wouldn't be able to stand the profile mismatch by using it on a 87- or 104/108-key board, which I'm betting would be what the vast majority of buyers have.
I could use a non-mismatched bottom row on a 60%, of course, but every 60% I use nowadays has ESC-...-BSLS-GRV on the top row, which this set didn't include.
Honestly, I'm waiting on billnye's blue mods to come in, so I can pair them with the TA alphas on a standard ANSI layout keyboard.
Post by: BunnyLake on Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:49:56
Dang. I am so glad A-profile got in.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qVL2xiQ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T7CUre3.jpg)
Yeah, a few of us have 84- or 86-key boards to use the set with, so it works fine with those. It just limits which keyboard I can use it on, as I only have two 84-key boards anymore. The LZ-GH has orange backlighting, so that one's a no-go for me. The TA set will be fixed permanently to my KMAC. I wouldn't be able to stand the profile mismatch by using it on a 87- or 104/108-key board, which I'm betting would be what the vast majority of buyers have.
I could use a non-mismatched bottom row on a 60%, of course, but every 60% I use nowadays has ESC-...-BSLS-GRV on the top row, which this set didn't include.
Honestly, I'm waiting on billnye's blue mods to come in, so I can pair them with the TA alphas on a standard ANSI layout keyboard.
i had this same problem, that i felt kinda limited to what board i could put them on
i didnt pick up the blue mod gb but im very rarely in the mood for a blue themed board these days , but the palette on these matches well with the tek 80 so there they shall live
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 12 August 2015, 11:54:22
I'd still like to see an original TA set and this set side by side, plus the paint chip, all in one photo.
I still see this set as being far more blue than the original. I also have no calibrated monitors, thus I'd like to see it all in one photo under the same light
I can post that next month, right now I am not in the same state as my genuine board. Anyway let me try to speak to this, all this information has been posted before as events unfolded but maybe this will help clarify for people who have not read the thousands of posts in the IC and GB threads -
You are not wrong, the 315 C teal is not the same color of my original caps, because the original (at least, my particular original) doesn't actually look anything like the canonical pics (http://i.imgur.com/xdytuUb.jpg) that everyone knows as TA.
Here is the most accurate unretouched pic I have of my original set:
(http://i.imgur.com/s51APZO.jpg)
Not too sexy, is it? I was certainly surprised when I first opened the box and was expecting to see something much different. As you can see, the mods don't give a teal impression at all, rather it's piss green (and the camera actually smooths them out a lot, they are much blotchier in person, blue with yellow clouding rather than consistent green). Anyway, that was precisely the reason I gave up on color matching - the real deal turned out not to be what was expected (http://i.imgur.com/xdytuUb.jpg). So plan B was to pick the Pantone that I felt gave the best impression of those canonical pics.
And as I've said, I am very happy with the way the mods came out. I went through a ton of color chips and I do not believe there is a better choice in the Pantone color library. I agree they can come off too bright or blue in direct sunlight, and obviously they are not going to have the exact same characteristics as plastic that's truly had 30 years of UV exposure, but in normal indoor lighting they are pretty darn spot on, and none of the other colors came remotely close. The only change I'd make with regard to color is to darken the alphas a little bit, because they give a lighter impression than I intended when working with the color chips. But overall it's pretty minor, and I feel that I made the best decision given the info I had at the time.
This was not an easy GB, I had no idea what I was in for regarding colors, communicating color choices, and, more abstractly, trying to replicate something that existed for all intents and purposes only on people's screens and in their minds. Most GBs do not have this kind of difficulty/uncertainty involved. Despite the shipping snafus at the end, I am overall happy with the way it turned out. I do hope there will be a round 2 to perfect things, there are a couple tweaks I'd like to make, but the teal wouldn't be one of them.
More generally, let's hope that GMK can start offering preproduction samples, so we can... you know...ACTUALLY iterate like with real products and not simply have one shot and no actual sample to show buyers. :-X
I hope this helps clarify where I'm coming from and why I made choices I did. By no means am I claiming to be perfect, far from it, but I think I did my best and got a pretty solid outcome, save the recent problems that were out of my hands. A round 2 could really be 100% perfect so let's hope it can happen.
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 12 August 2015, 12:01:54
(http://i.imgur.com/xcg1jTH.jpg)
was your keyboard, intelli, and the one it would be color matched to.
At least, that was the impression I got at first. I imagined the mod color would be exactly that one ^.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 12 August 2015, 12:02:08
My confusion was just the comparison to the original set and saying some photos are the closest to the original color (in terms of color correct photos).
All in all, great color, great set, and I'm pleased with how it came out. A few hiccups, but overall a great outcome.
Post by: jonathanyu on Wed, 12 August 2015, 12:25:50
I think people were under the impression that this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xcg1jTH.jpg)
was your keyboard, intelli, and the one it would be color matched to.
At least, that was the impression I got at first. I imagined the mod color would be exactly that one ^.
Thats what I thought as well
Post by: Phinnegan on Wed, 12 August 2015, 12:27:55
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/2uUpHM8lilAxJCrTcyoViHeSQfYDnS670LhrnpBEnxTP=w1769-h996-no)
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 12 August 2015, 12:28:48
+1I think people were under the impression that this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xcg1jTH.jpg)
was your keyboard, intelli, and the one it would be color matched to.
At least, that was the impression I got at first. I imagined the mod color would be exactly that one ^.
Thats what I thought as well
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 12 August 2015, 12:30:17
Dang. I am so glad A-profile got in.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qVL2xiQ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T7CUre3.jpg)
I really hate the profile. I'm still on the fence as to whether I'll sell my set because of it even though I primarily use 60% boards.
I think people were under the impression that this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xcg1jTH.jpg)
was your keyboard, intelli, and the one it would be color matched to.
At least, that was the impression I got at first. I imagined the mod color would be exactly that one ^.
Me too, then I heard it was going to be darker after I ordered it and to not worry about it.
Post by: intelli78 on Wed, 12 August 2015, 12:33:15
I think people were under the impression that this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xcg1jTH.jpg)
was your keyboard, intelli, and the one it would be color matched to.
At least, that was the impression I got at first. I imagined the mod color would be exactly that one ^.
The board in the photo shoot was a loaner from an overseas collector, and it's actually in terrible condition, even worse than mine. The only reason we had that one involved at all is because my board didn't arrive from Croatia in time. They had to photoshop it significantly and we did our best to portray what the final product would look like in a nicely lit studio setting. In the pics I had of my board before I got it (http://i.imgur.com/4pxxPFg.jpg), my board looked to have rich teal tones and we thought it would be no problem to simply color match and get the true TA color and there would be no debate to be had, because well, we would've copied the true color. Well, as you can see, when I received my board that pretty much belied the notion and the next best option was to hand pick the most TA Pantone.
I think we all learned a lot about how difficult it is to communicate colors over the Internet, especially of a unicorn object like this. I am sorry if you don't feel the end teal matches your expectations, but everything happened for a reason and I firmly believe the final choice was the right one.
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 12 August 2015, 12:35:48
I think people were under the impression that this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xcg1jTH.jpg)
was your keyboard, intelli, and the one it would be color matched to.
At least, that was the impression I got at first. I imagined the mod color would be exactly that one ^.
The board in the photo shoot was a loaner from an overseas collector, and it's actually in terrible condition, even worse than mine. The only reason we had that one involved at all is because my board didn't arrive from Croatia in time. They had to photoshop it significantly and we did our best to portray what the final product would look like in a nicely lit studio setting. In the pics I had of my board before I got it (http://i.imgur.com/4pxxPFg.jpg), my board looked to have rich teal tones and we thought it would be no problem to simply color match and get the true TA color and there would be no debate to be had, because well, we would've copied the true color. Well, as you can see, when I received my board that pretty much belied the notion and the next best option was to hand pick the most TA Pantone.
I think we all learned a lot about how difficult it is to communicate colors over the Internet, especially of a unicorn object like this. I am sorry if you don't feel the end teal matches your expectations, but everything happened for a reason and I firmly believe the final choice was the right one.
Aha! It finally makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. Just going by the photos on Massdrop, you can probably understand my confusion.
Post by: tjweir on Wed, 12 August 2015, 12:58:07
Thanks intelli!
Post by: Spopepro on Wed, 12 August 2015, 14:08:57
I think people were under the impression that this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xcg1jTH.jpg)
was your keyboard, intelli, and the one it would be color matched to.
At least, that was the impression I got at first. I imagined the mod color would be exactly that one ^.
The board in the photo shoot was a loaner from an overseas collector, and it's actually in terrible condition, even worse than mine. The only reason we had that one involved at all is because my board didn't arrive from Croatia in time. They had to photoshop it significantly and we did our best to portray what the final product would look like in a nicely lit studio setting. In the pics I had of my board before I got it (http://i.imgur.com/4pxxPFg.jpg), my board looked to have rich teal tones and we thought it would be no problem to simply color match and get the true TA color and there would be no debate to be had, because well, we would've copied the true color. Well, as you can see, when I received my board that pretty much belied the notion and the next best option was to hand pick the most TA Pantone.
I think we all learned a lot about how difficult it is to communicate colors over the Internet, especially of a unicorn object like this. I am sorry if you don't feel the end teal matches your expectations, but everything happened for a reason and I firmly believe the final choice was the right one.
I think, more than anything else, this shows how broken our current [IC] process is. Nothing that people are bringing up wasn't covered in that way too long and hard to read IC thread*. Couple this with some of the same things being said about the Classic Beige buy and I think that, in some ways, the more planning and checking that happens, the worse the understanding is and the more people who are unhappy. It's kind of odd to watch. I'm not sure if there's a solution here. Maybe we are just bad at building consensus. Maybe GBs are inherently flawed.
*including the dead horse "this was a bad choice" statements around key/profile selection
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 12 August 2015, 14:30:39
I think, more than anything else, this shows how broken our current [IC] process is. Nothing that people are bringing up wasn't covered in that way too long and hard to read IC thread*. Couple this with some of the same things being said about the Classic Beige buy and I think that, in some ways, the more planning and checking that happens, the worse the understanding is and the more people who are unhappy. It's kind of odd to watch. I'm not sure if there's a solution here. Maybe we are just bad at building consensus. Maybe GBs are inherently flawed.
*including the dead horse "this was a bad choice" statements around key/profile selection
I think the sole purpose of ICs is to find major flaws like wrong profile of a certain key or a wrong legend.
Everything else is personal preference anyway. You will never be able make everyone happy. That's why Bunnylake doesn't run any ICs at all.
Post by: henz on Wed, 12 August 2015, 14:31:36
Post by: Spopepro on Wed, 12 August 2015, 14:36:41
I think, more than anything else, this shows how broken our current [IC] process is. Nothing that people are bringing up wasn't covered in that way too long and hard to read IC thread*. Couple this with some of the same things being said about the Classic Beige buy and I think that, in some ways, the more planning and checking that happens, the worse the understanding is and the more people who are unhappy. It's kind of odd to watch. I'm not sure if there's a solution here. Maybe we are just bad at building consensus. Maybe GBs are inherently flawed.
*including the dead horse "this was a bad choice" statements around key/profile selection
I think the sole purpose of ICs is to find major flaws like wrong profile of a certain key or a wrong legend.
Everything else is personal preference anyway. You will never be able make everyone happy.
I agree completely. Multiple recent llong ICs seem to at least give the illusion of community input in the design process, including this one.
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That's why Bunnylake doesn't run any ICs at all.
I think that's really smart and appears to work.
Post by: GSimon on Wed, 12 August 2015, 14:54:06
I think the sole purpose of ICs is to find major flaws like wrong profile of a certain key or a wrong legend.
Everything else is personal preference anyway. You will never be able make everyone happy. That's why Bunnylake doesn't run any ICs at all.
I'm a bit surprised at just how many people think the mod colors are noticeably different than the mock-up/original TA. You'd think from the responses that the mods came out orange or something.
I really like the set (https://geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/thumbsup.gif)
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 12 August 2015, 15:09:27
Has anyone in Australia received their sets yet? What was the condition like?
Mine arrived in Australia on Sunday, still waiting on the local carrier to deliver. You can be sure I'll post some pics when they arrive.
Mine's been in Sydney since Friday :))
Post by: icyskyz on Wed, 12 August 2015, 15:21:51
Still, I love this TA set and they look great on my keyboard!
Thank you intelli78 for making this GB happening!
(http://i.imgur.com/mHZmtxv.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/sY6Usbv.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/C35YumJ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/sKMRFbH.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QF56VcH.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/wqaZM4r.jpg)
Post by: GSimon on Wed, 12 August 2015, 15:38:57
(http://i.imgur.com/32VmiV8.png)
some comparison
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 12 August 2015, 15:49:01
I think people were under the impression that this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xcg1jTH.jpg)
was your keyboard, intelli, and the one it would be color matched to.
At least, that was the impression I got at first. I imagined the mod color would be exactly that one ^.
Funny thing is that my set looks exactly like the teal on that set as displayed on my iPhone 5S (obviously not calibrated).
I've never actually laid eyes on a TA keyboard. So I was relying totally on Intelli's decision as to what he thought was the best choice, which he made. In my mind this was clear at the beginning.
I'm not trying to disagree I'm just stating what I thought was going on.
And I'm happy with the colors.
I've not tried them on my TKL so I can't speak to the profile.
Post by: PrinsPils on Wed, 12 August 2015, 16:27:59
My package arrived in a bad condition, and there are some minor scratches on the keycaps.Looking good! what type of keyboard is that?
Still, I love this TA set and they look great on my keyboard!
Thank you intelli78 for making this GB happening!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mHZmtxv.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sY6Usbv.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/C35YumJ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sKMRFbH.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/QF56VcH.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wqaZM4r.jpg)
Post by: Frizer on Wed, 12 August 2015, 17:25:26
It is a great set though, thanks for making it happen. I think this will go on the Orion V2 when it finally arrives.
Post by: jd29 on Wed, 12 August 2015, 18:28:54
Wow - this set didn't really appeal to me, but it looks excellent there.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qVL2xiQ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T7CUre3.jpg)
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:33:12
Wow - this set didn't really appeal to me, but it looks excellent there.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qVL2xiQ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T7CUre3.jpg)
On my phone those pictures don't look anything like it =[
Intelli's were really close.
I'll be posting my own soon
Post by: icyskyz on Thu, 13 August 2015, 05:34:12
Looking good! what type of keyboard is that?
That's a WASD Code keyboard!
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 13 August 2015, 05:34:47
The box is ... a bit rattly.
I'm afraid to open it.
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 13 August 2015, 05:36:38
Mine has arrived.
The box is ... a bit rattly.
I'm afraid to open it.
Man up and do it!
;)
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 13 August 2015, 06:14:46
Loose keycaps everywhere, although most of them stayed between the two layers of the tray.
The first obvious packing mistake - the tray was upside down in the box! I double-checked that I had the box the right way up - yes. Massdrop logo on the side was right way up, address sticker was on the top. GMK tray was upside down. That definitely would not have helped.
Nothing obviously broken, but now to sort them out and make sure they are all there.
6 keycaps escaped the tray and were loose in the box. The rest are all jumbled up. Looks like Esc and Scroll Lock were the only two that stayed in their original positions in the tray.
After sorting, they are all there, none obviously damaged.
Numpad + is missing the chunk that everyone else has reported. ISO Enter has the same chunk missing.
Many of the keycaps seem to have uneven colours, shiny patches and so on.
No obvious scratches! One small dent on the back side of the long left Shift, but that is on the bottom edge and facing away when on a keyboard so I wouldn't notice it anyway.
It's night, and my room lights are slightly less than optimal, so I'll have to reserve judgement on the colour for another time. But so far it seems a little darker than I had originally anticipated, but overall a pleasant colour. Like a really dark aqua. I've been looking for a blue/white keycap set for a while, and this set is close enough to fit the bill nicely.
Thank you intelli for all your hard work in designing this set - I would say that I am satisfied with it. Very much so :D
Post by: TBone on Thu, 13 August 2015, 08:58:08
...
Many of the keycaps seem to have uneven colours, shiny patches and so on.
...
Just curious, but on which keys? I have this on my 1.5u CTRL's and 7u spacebars most notably.
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Thu, 13 August 2015, 09:39:22
Nothing came out of place for me. I haven't done a very thorough investigation of every keycap but in general I think I got a bit lucky.
Unfortunately I don't actually like the feeling of this set on my mobik
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 13 August 2015, 09:43:16
Post by: TBone on Thu, 13 August 2015, 12:50:45
Post by: snipars on Thu, 13 August 2015, 13:17:35
(http://i.imgur.com/vO4KEzs.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/sGXn1r2.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/2AiRNlU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1Fpowl8.jpg)
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 13 August 2015, 13:54:31
Oh well. Love the colors, hopefully "excessively long" doesn't stretch into next summer. :))
Post by: Dubsgalore on Thu, 13 August 2015, 14:11:44
shoutout to the originals owners :cool:
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 13 August 2015, 15:21:32
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 13 August 2015, 16:07:09
I had some time looking at GMK's tray. It really isn't that badly designed. The main cause of the tray failure was due to the center "button" popping out. After looking at it closely, there just wasn't enough room to fit the center push button along with the home row keys, which caused the home row keys to slant up a bit. I see that GMK added a horizontal indent along that row to try to hold the keys flat, but that just made it easier for the center push button to pop out.
If the 4 corners were taped shut instead of the 2 down the middle, I think the keys would have had a better chance of surviving the trip. Alternatively, add a few more push buttons in the corners and it would work equally well. The tape GMK used to hold the two trays down was quite sticky. I'm not sure how some other members' stickers came loose.
In addition, RIP $1:1.3056 exchange rate.
(http://i.imgur.com/pn6bOnx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6Be8wWj.jpg)
P.S. Teal is hard to capture. Will need to spend some time in PP...
For those wondering, I believe I was 4th to order, so my package was one of the first ones to go out and didn't get any special packaging treatment that MD mentioned on later sets.
Post by: U47 on Thu, 13 August 2015, 22:56:42
Oh, and pinched for $17 customs fee and GST. Not worth it.
In addition, RIP $1:1.3056 exchange rate.
Post by: GSimon on Thu, 13 August 2015, 23:36:04
The intention of the poll is to determine defects from shipping, not production. If your keys were all in place but had some defects from production (i.e swirls/discoloration/scratches on keycaps) choose "keys were in place, no visible defects".
Note: I spelled visible wrong
Please answer the poll, I'm curious to see how many people were affected, maybe the numbers can be used to show MassDrop the extent of the damages.
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 13 August 2015, 23:40:02
Post by: GSimon on Thu, 13 August 2015, 23:46:43
Needs a keys were everywhere, some defects option.
I changed the wording, out of place can be for a few keys out of place or 'keys everywhere'. Otherwise I'd also have to include "keys everywhere, no defects" which is unlikely but possible.
Also If you're the person who voted within the 10 mins of my first poll vote again, had to create new poll.
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 14 August 2015, 00:00:33
★★★Straw Poll★★★ (http://strawpoll.me/5207461)
Note: I spelled visible wrong
Please answer the poll, I'm curious to see how many people were affected, maybe the numbers can be used to show MassDrop the extent of the damages.
The option I would need is "Keys were in place, some defects"
Post by: GSimon on Fri, 14 August 2015, 00:07:40
The option I would need is "Keys were in place, some defects"
Is it swirls etc? The intention I had for the poll is to note damages in shipping, not production, thus "Keys were in place, no visible defects" would be the option I'd suggest. If there's even 1 key out of places and scratches, I'd go for the Keys were out of place, some defects.
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 14 August 2015, 00:18:57
The option I would need is "Keys were in place, some defects"
Is it swirls etc? The intention I had for the poll is to note damages in shipping, not production, thus "Keys were in place, no visible defects" would be the option I'd suggest. If there's even 1 key out of places and scratches, I'd go for the Keys were out of place, some defects.
Yeah, the colors on some of the mods had the blotchy color effect, and I have scratches/scuffs on random caps.
Post by: GSimon on Fri, 14 August 2015, 00:27:27
Yeah, the colors on some of the mods had the blotchy color effect, and I have scratches/scuffs on random caps.
Well, perhaps it's too hard to say if the defects (scratches specifically) were from shipping or production if they're all in place? I'd choose the "keys were in place, no visible damages" because from the onset if you view the keys through the plastic casing, the damages weren't apparent right away therefore "no visible damages"? Best I can suggest, my poll is imperfect, as was my spelling of visible
Post by: kacase on Fri, 14 August 2015, 02:07:00
Post by: Air tree on Fri, 14 August 2015, 02:47:26
my keys were in place and still scratched!Maybe they massdrop received them all out of place, re packed them and then they made it you fine?
And the same thing could have happened to other, but they got theirs jumbled anyways...
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 14 August 2015, 02:59:40
my keys were in place and still scratched!Maybe they massdrop received them all out of place, re packed them and then they made it you fine?
And the same thing could have happened to other, but they got theirs jumbled anyways...
MassDrop always need to break out the original package when they receive it, due to re-packing hundreds of orders to ship world-wide. No doubt they had to re-settle all the orders which might of took them ages to do hence the damage might of already been incurred.
Shame GMK doesn't do REALFORCE type of key-set packaging because they do it, to perfection :thumb: .
Post by: henz on Fri, 14 August 2015, 03:54:47
i got my set today, found all the keycaps outside the tray as expected. But to my surprise, no scratches!! The only thing that bugs me a little is that almost all my caps bleed from the backlight, some bleed constantly and some bleed when pressed,the blue ones also. One thing i noticed but dont care for as much is that the bottom row has a wierd angle compared to my gmk modifiers, not sure which one is off, TA or the modifiers.
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 14 August 2015, 03:58:41
i got my set today, found all the keycaps outside the tray as expected. But to my surprise, no scratches!! The only thing that bugs me a little is that almost all my caps bleed from the backlight, some bleed constantly and some bleed when pressed,the blue ones also. One thing i noticed but dont care for as much is that the bottom row has a wierd angle compared to my gmk modifiers, not sure which one is off, TA or the modifiers.
That's because they are Row 5 profile while your modifiers are Row 4. Take a closer look at the mockup in the OP and you will see it.
So to answer your question neither are off. For this GB a different profile was chosen to stay faithful to the original.
Post by: henz on Fri, 14 August 2015, 04:02:49
i got my set today, found all the keycaps outside the tray as expected. But to my surprise, no scratches!! The only thing that bugs me a little is that almost all my caps bleed from the backlight, some bleed constantly and some bleed when pressed,the blue ones also. One thing i noticed but dont care for as much is that the bottom row has a wierd angle compared to my gmk modifiers, not sure which one is off, TA or the modifiers.
That's because they are Row 5 profile while your modifiers are Row 4. Take a closer look at the mockup in the OP and you will see it.
So to answer your question neither are off. For this GB a different profile was chosen to stay faithful to the original.
Thanks for the clarification :thumb:
Post by: Frizer on Fri, 14 August 2015, 04:21:29
I can't see any faults on the legends examining them side by side with other GMK sets I have.
Post by: Orca on Fri, 14 August 2015, 05:52:58
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27466080/20150814_154831.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27466080/20150814_154856.jpg)
Post by: Chemisery on Fri, 14 August 2015, 11:30:35
True enough the same happened to me and honestly, so far this is the worst experience I had with MD's delivery. The box was misshapen, which had never happened before.
Aside from shipping nightmare and scratch keys (such as on my space bar :() I think the overall was really well done. Intelli, thank you!
As mentioned, it was difficult to capture the colors, some of the pics shared looks like Raindrop colorway to me, but rest assure, it's quite far from Raindrop.
My only grip would be the colors are darker than what I perceived as TA based on the pics I saw here on GH from my monitor (nope, not going to go into discussion about perceived colors), Pantone was like the most logical step IMO, aside from that I am very happy with this set.
Glad I was in this buy, the process was interesting to see how ppl get divided between various key issues and eventually shaped the set. I appreciate the views from different gher and they presented some very interesting and solid points with valid concerns and suggestion. Although at some point the divide almost caused a fallout somewhere, I am glad this set made it out in the end. Hopefully I can get the scratched caps replaced.
Post by: n2k on Fri, 14 August 2015, 12:49:37
Seems like I got lucky. The keyset made it safely (back) to Germany.
Not a huge fan of the alpha legends being a different color than the mods but I'm sure I can live with it :p
Post by: PrinsPils on Fri, 14 August 2015, 18:08:38
Thanks intelli78 for creating this keycap set.
Unfortunatly, my razer blackwidow tournament got a derpy layout and the spacebar is an odd size. So i have to wait till my new keyboard arrives to use the correct spacebar. Till than, ill stick with a black one :D
(http://static.tweakers.net/ext/f/RNWm28UDNCQgQaXvpR4tlzOb/full.jpg)
Post by: NorrisB on Fri, 14 August 2015, 19:37:16
I missed the initial groupbuy but i got my set via Madhias, he was willing to sell it. I recieved they keycaps today and i have to say they are absolutly stunning. Yes, there is 1 key with a scratch on it, and 3 keys got the swirl/stain spots. But it is only visable if you pay a lot of attention to it. Does it bother me? nope, am i happy? Yes!
Thanks intelli78 for creating this keycap set.
Unfortunatly, my razer blackwidow tournament got a derpy layout and the spacebar is an odd size. So i have to wait till my new keyboard arrives to use the correct spacebar. Till than, ill stick with a black one :DShow Image(http://static.tweakers.net/ext/f/RNWm28UDNCQgQaXvpR4tlzOb/full.jpg)
Dont forget the legends are messed up, I can see you have bleeding on your F keys and the F6, the 6 is crooked.
Post by: NorrisB on Fri, 14 August 2015, 19:47:22
Reading the Massdrop thread is horrible, looks like the damage during shipping is the least of our worries from some of the pics I've seen. 90% sure I'll be sending my set back to Massdrop for a refund if the QC is as bad as it looks from photos. I've got 5 other sets from GMK and none of them display these problems, no way will this set see one of my boards with the faults on display when I've got so many other sets not being used. Pretty disappointing, this set really grew on me since the drop.
There are definitely some legend oddities going on.
Legend bleed, crooked legend, curved F:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gXpoPNY.jpg)
Crooked 6:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wBVYmRH.jpg)
Uneven/crooked legend:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7oIJMNu.jpg)
Legend bleed, crooked F (less severe one):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/M8Sap0T.jpg)
I have the same problem on my set and I see the same things on these other photos, this does not seem like a premium set.
Post by: nightdriver on Fri, 14 August 2015, 20:30:29
so, uh, thanks for ruining the set for me! haha
Post by: beehatch on Fri, 14 August 2015, 20:35:39
Post by: SigLogical on Fri, 14 August 2015, 20:53:23
(http://i.imgur.com/DbyDWCw.jpg)
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 14 August 2015, 21:09:54
Edit: Fixed innacuracy
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 14 August 2015, 21:10:53
the only mistake that I saw was the dye subbed Sys Rq on my print screen cap, the second S looked like it had a little scratch out of it.
Just to clarify, that's pad printed, not dye subbed. :thumb:
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 14 August 2015, 21:22:27
the only mistake that I saw was the dye subbed Sys Rq on my print screen cap, the second S looked like it had a little scratch out of it.
Just to clarify, that's pad printed, not dye subbed. :thumb:
Thank you for clarifying, I wasn't too sure when I posted that but it does make a lot more sense now in how the scratch occurred on the key cap.
Post by: o3okevin on Fri, 14 August 2015, 21:33:03
Pic with teal clack, so close but yet so far... if they matched I would've gone crazy
(http://i.imgur.com/IX83ckf.jpg)
Post by: NorrisB on Fri, 14 August 2015, 21:43:35
Post by: inanis on Fri, 14 August 2015, 21:50:16
This group buy was a disaster, GMK did a horrible job.
I really like my set. I think that once the negativity starting going it took on a life of it's own. People were going to point out every tiny flaw. I'm not saying that there aren't some very real issues, but it was not a total disaster. There have been plenty of positive comments, they just aren't as juicy as all the bad ones so they are easily forgotten.
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 14 August 2015, 21:50:53
This group buy was a disaster, GMK did a horrible job.
Nah, Massdrop was horrible. GMK was
(https://teamtcast.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/okay_emma_stone.gif)
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 14 August 2015, 22:19:19
This group buy was a disaster, GMK did a horrible job.
Nah, Massdrop was horrible. GMK wasShow Image(https://teamtcast.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/okay_emma_stone.gif)
I honestly wouldn't call Massdrop horrible either, I just think that they had good intention for the packaging but underestimated the wrath of the postal service, granted you should always prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Massdrop has few if any employees that are keyboard enthusiasts so they do not value these key sets as highly as we all do. After all MD ships a lot of different products that do not require such detailed and planned packaging. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just just giving Massdrop the benefit of the doubt since every other product I have purchased off them has arrived in perfect condition but that's just how I see it.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 14 August 2015, 22:40:18
This. I could see them just wanting to meet the daily quota so they just package it as necessary and off it goes.This group buy was a disaster, GMK did a horrible job.
Nah, Massdrop was horrible. GMK wasShow Image(https://teamtcast.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/okay_emma_stone.gif)
I honestly wouldn't call Massdrop horrible either, I just think that they had good intention for the packaging but underestimated the wrath of the postal service, granted you should always prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Massdrop has few if any employees that are keyboard enthusiasts so they do not value these key sets as highly as we all do. After all MD ships a lot of different products that do not require such detailed and planned packaging. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just just giving Massdrop the benefit of the doubt since every other product I have purchased off them has arrived in perfect condition but that's just how I see it.
It seems the trays themselves AND the mail system are largest to blaim. The trays weren't meant for long shipping. If they were, they'd probably need those snap-tight plastic trays. Off the top of my head, Japanese figures, like SH Figuarts use those types of plastic trays to keep their figures intact.
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 14 August 2015, 22:44:29
Post by: jonathanyu on Fri, 14 August 2015, 22:55:02
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 14 August 2015, 22:55:08
How can you blame the mail system? You know packages aren't going to be babied, so you should package them accordingly. The boxes MD used were terrible, thin POS boxes and the bubble packs were not rigid enough and did not provide enough support. It was absolutely terrible packaging. They could have taped the GMK packs to the bottom of the box and tossed bubble packs on top and had better shipping results because the packaging was clearly not well thought out.
You can't really say that the postal service's treatment of packages is satisfactory either. The packaging Massdrop made did the job of keeping the tray in place, however GMK's poor package design and partially Massdrop's tape location did not keep the key caps in place. I'm sure Massdrop justified the lack of tape on all four sides to save time because of the massive bulk of orders they had to ship out, which I'm not necessarily agreeing with but can somewhat understand where they're coming from. With my GMK tray only one out of three of the snap-in points work for me.
Post by: calvinhousecat on Sat, 15 August 2015, 00:23:31
I missed the initial groupbuy but i got my set via Madhias, he was willing to sell it. I recieved they keycaps today and i have to say they are absolutly stunning. Yes, there is 1 key with a scratch on it, and 3 keys got the swirl/stain spots. But it is only visable if you pay a lot of attention to it. Does it bother me? nope, am i happy? Yes!
Thanks intelli78 for creating this keycap set.
Unfortunatly, my razer blackwidow tournament got a derpy layout and the spacebar is an odd size. So i have to wait till my new keyboard arrives to use the correct spacebar. Till than, ill stick with a black one :DShow Image(http://static.tweakers.net/ext/f/RNWm28UDNCQgQaXvpR4tlzOb/full.jpg)
Best looking Razer Keyboard by far
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sat, 15 August 2015, 02:59:05
This. I could see them just wanting to meet the daily quota so they just package it as necessary and off it goes.This group buy was a disaster, GMK did a horrible job.
Nah, Massdrop was horrible. GMK wasShow Image(https://teamtcast.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/okay_emma_stone.gif)
I honestly wouldn't call Massdrop horrible either, I just think that they had good intention for the packaging but underestimated the wrath of the postal service, granted you should always prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Massdrop has few if any employees that are keyboard enthusiasts so they do not value these key sets as highly as we all do. After all MD ships a lot of different products that do not require such detailed and planned packaging. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just just giving Massdrop the benefit of the doubt since every other product I have purchased off them has arrived in perfect condition but that's just how I see it.
That's really not a good excuse. It might explain why the warehouse workers didn't put the time and effort in to ensure safe transit, but it's still a flaw on MD's end, whether it be with management or the laborers.
This group buy was a disaster, GMK did a horrible job.
I really like my set. I think that once the negativity starting going it took on a life of it's own. People were going to point out every tiny flaw. I'm not saying that there aren't some very real issues, but it was not a total disaster. There have been plenty of positive comments, they just aren't as juicy as all the bad ones so they are easily forgotten.
Some of the "issues" brought to light here have been present in previous group buys, but they were never scrutinized like this buy was. Just today I looked at two shift keys from the CMYK buy (2013) and noticed that one of them had more legend "bleed" (slightly thicker legend) than the other. Very similar to what was pointed out with the function keys and a few others from TA. But CMYK didn't have the audience and high visibility that TA has, so nobody noticed.
Post by: nightdriver on Sat, 15 August 2015, 15:53:38
How can you blame the mail system? You know packages aren't going to be babied, so you should package them accordingly. The boxes MD used were terrible, thin POS boxes and the bubble packs were not rigid enough and did not provide enough support. It was absolutely terrible packaging. They could have taped the GMK packs to the bottom of the box and tossed bubble packs on top and had better shipping results because the packaging was clearly not well thought out.
You can't really say that the postal service's treatment of packages is satisfactory either. The packaging Massdrop made did the job of keeping the tray in place, however GMK's poor package design and partially Massdrop's tape location did not keep the key caps in place. I'm sure Massdrop justified the lack of tape on all four sides to save time because of the massive bulk of orders they had to ship out, which I'm not necessarily agreeing with but can somewhat understand where they're coming from. With my GMK tray only one out of three of the snap-in points work for me.
you're assuming massdrop did the taping. i'm thinking GMK probably did the taping.
Post by: nightdriver on Sat, 15 August 2015, 15:54:44
the only mistake that I saw was the dye subbed Sys Rq on my print screen cap, the second S looked like it had a little scratch out of it.
Just to clarify, that's pad printed, not dye subbed. :thumb:
Thank you for clarifying, I wasn't too sure when I posted that but it does make a lot more sense now in how the scratch occurred on the key cap.
unfortunately you can't dyesub a light color on a dark color.
Post by: nubbinator on Sat, 15 August 2015, 16:08:32
MoreHow can you blame the mail system? You know packages aren't going to be babied, so you should package them accordingly. The boxes MD used were terrible, thin POS boxes and the bubble packs were not rigid enough and did not provide enough support. It was absolutely terrible packaging. They could have taped the GMK packs to the bottom of the box and tossed bubble packs on top and had better shipping results because the packaging was clearly not well thought out.
You can't really say that the postal service's treatment of packages is satisfactory either. The packaging Massdrop made did the job of keeping the tray in place, however GMK's poor package design and partially Massdrop's tape location did not keep the key caps in place. I'm sure Massdrop justified the lack of tape on all four sides to save time because of the massive bulk of orders they had to ship out, which I'm not necessarily agreeing with but can somewhat understand where they're coming from. With my GMK tray only one out of three of the snap-in points work for me.
you're assuming massdrop did the taping. i'm thinking GMK probably did the taping.
And the GMK taping was sufficient for how they shipped. Just because something is shipped to you in bulk one way doesn't mean it's safe to reship to individuals that way.
Post by: MarkRobbo on Sat, 15 August 2015, 16:20:29
MoreHow can you blame the mail system? You know packages aren't going to be babied, so you should package them accordingly. The boxes MD used were terrible, thin POS boxes and the bubble packs were not rigid enough and did not provide enough support. It was absolutely terrible packaging. They could have taped the GMK packs to the bottom of the box and tossed bubble packs on top and had better shipping results because the packaging was clearly not well thought out.
You can't really say that the postal service's treatment of packages is satisfactory either. The packaging Massdrop made did the job of keeping the tray in place, however GMK's poor package design and partially Massdrop's tape location did not keep the key caps in place. I'm sure Massdrop justified the lack of tape on all four sides to save time because of the massive bulk of orders they had to ship out, which I'm not necessarily agreeing with but can somewhat understand where they're coming from. With my GMK tray only one out of three of the snap-in points work for me.
you're assuming massdrop did the taping. i'm thinking GMK probably did the taping.
And the GMK taping was sufficient for how they shipped. Just because something is shipped to you in bulk one way doesn't mean it's safe to reship to individuals that way.
This is definitely true, the packaging is without a doubt Massdrop's fault regardless of who did the darn taping.
The trays were suitable for how GMK shipped them to Massdrop. That was the end of their responsibility and Massdrop's begun with making sure that they were adequate for splitting up and shipping out individually which is where it all went wrong. We all know packages aren't going to be treated like they are fine china within the postal services of various countries and account for it in our packaging. Massdrop's packaging isn't great at the best of times but by assuming that these trays were safe to ship out straight away individually was a huge mistake and we've all seen the results.
I'm yet to collect my TA order from the post office and having to hope that it will be free of scratches.
Post by: techmattr on Sat, 15 August 2015, 21:29:46
(http://i.imgur.com/s11q4cV.png)
What do you guys think?
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 15 August 2015, 21:36:24
Trying to get a more accurate representation of color in photos... shot RAW edited with color calibration.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/s11q4cV.png)
What do you guys think?
Skeet has been shot across the screen here in Convict Town.
Truly scrumptious, that whole keyboard has been elevated into the stratosphere of perfection, you lucky bastard.
Post by: ATXTider on Sat, 15 August 2015, 21:37:32
Trying to get a more accurate representation of color in photos... shot RAW edited with color calibration.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/s11q4cV.png)
What do you guys think?
Is that a white top KUL? Regardless, nice pic, nice board!
Post by: njbair on Sat, 15 August 2015, 21:47:54
Trying to get a more accurate representation of color in photos... shot RAW edited with color calibration.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/s11q4cV.png)
What do you guys think?
One of the best I've seen so far, although like mine which I posted a while back (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70278.msg1821901;topicseen#msg1821901), the whites all have a yellowish hue:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/472/19677681774_4fe0e7f0c9_k.jpg)
Noppoo with Triumph Adler (https://flic.kr/p/vYRgeq) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
What was your RAW workflow? I used Lightroom and made most of my adjustments in the HSL/Color/B&W panel. I think my teal hue is right on, but it's too bright.
Post by: techmattr on Sat, 15 August 2015, 21:54:10
Trying to get a more accurate representation of color in photos... shot RAW edited with color calibration.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/s11q4cV.png)
What do you guys think?
Is that a white top KUL? Regardless, nice pic, nice board!
Indeed. KUL ES-87 w/Proton White top.
Trying to get a more accurate representation of color in photos... shot RAW edited with color calibration.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/s11q4cV.png)
What do you guys think?
One of the best I've seen so far, although like mine which I posted a while back (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70278.msg1821901;topicseen#msg1821901), the whites all have a yellowish hue:
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/472/19677681774_4fe0e7f0c9_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vYRgeq)
Noppoo with Triumph Adler (https://flic.kr/p/vYRgeq) by Nick Bair (https://www.flickr.com/photos/njbair/), on Flickr
What was your RAW workflow? I used Lightroom and made most of my adjustments in the HSL/Color/B&W panel. I think my teal hue is right on, but it's too bright.
I export from Capture NX2 with a neutral color profile as RAW then import to PS CS4 and cut down the cyan a bit. The RAW exported directly is almost perfect. That last little bit of tweaking is tough though. I'm going to dig out my old Nikon D50. The old CCD sensors capture these types of colors more accurately.
Post by: shawn o on Sat, 15 August 2015, 22:19:18
Trying to get a more accurate representation of color in photos... shot RAW edited with color calibration.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/s11q4cV.png)
What do you guys think?
Post by: Nai_Calus on Sat, 15 August 2015, 22:36:40
Trying to get a more accurate representation of color in photos... shot RAW edited with color calibration.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/s11q4cV.png)
What do you guys think?
Looks pretty accurate.
I've elected to do a return on mine. A replacement is likely to have the same issues that irritate me on the first one, and at this point I'm trying to get rid of the only board that could actually take the set. Just have to wait for MD to get back to me. Probably Tuesday, it's been taking two business days for replies lol
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 16 August 2015, 02:20:57
(http://i.imgur.com/tCcPLer.jpg)
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 16 August 2015, 02:40:37
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Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 16 August 2015, 02:51:49
(http://i.imgur.com/VmZqbu9.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ehjt55P.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/16qE6CI.jpg)
Post by: byker on Sun, 16 August 2015, 03:04:16
Still deciding if I want to keep my set:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VmZqbu9.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ehjt55P.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/16qE6CI.jpg)
Looks quite nice in that case! :)
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 16 August 2015, 04:33:47
Finally extracted the pics from my camera. I am still yet to inspect every keycap from damage, but there is little or no obvious defects on most of the keycaps.
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Untold, you got yours before I even get mine. Although I got notice from MD more than three weeks ago that something was sent to my address.
Need to wait another two weeks before letting them know nothing was received.........
Enjoy your GMK finery here, they are not your common branded keys, they should be used in your finest keyboards without any hesitation.
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 16 August 2015, 04:41:42
Finally extracted the pics from my camera. I am still yet to inspect every keycap from damage, but there is little or no obvious defects on most of the keycaps.
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Untold, you got yours before I even get mine. Although I got notice from MD more than three weeks ago that something was sent to my address.
Need to wait another two weeks before letting them know nothing was received.........
Enjoy your GMK finery here, they are not your common branded keys, they should be used in your finest keyboards without any hesitation.
Currently installed on my QFS with MX greens - favourite MX switch, good solid keyboard :)
Post by: wlhlm on Sun, 16 August 2015, 06:14:21
Still deciding if I want to keep my set:That is a nice looking case!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VmZqbu9.jpg)
What switches/switch tops are you using? Escape and Alt look like MX Locks.
Post by: njbair on Sun, 16 August 2015, 07:20:28
Still deciding if I want to keep my set:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VmZqbu9.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ehjt55P.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/16qE6CI.jpg)
Where did that case come from?!?
Post by: LechnerDE on Sun, 16 August 2015, 08:25:43
Still deciding if I want to keep my set:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VmZqbu9.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ehjt55P.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/16qE6CI.jpg)
Where did that case come from?!?
He made it himself as far as I know.
Post by: Belfong on Sun, 16 August 2015, 09:09:07
Finally extracted the pics from my camera. I am still yet to inspect every keycap from damage, but there is little or no obvious defects on most of the keycaps.
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Untold, you got yours before I even get mine. Although I got notice from MD more than three weeks ago that something was sent to my address.
Need to wait another two weeks before letting them know nothing was received.........
Enjoy your GMK finery here, they are not your common branded keys, they should be used in your finest keyboards without any hesitation.
Mr GMK Hype Master is back! Good to hear from you :thumb:
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Sun, 16 August 2015, 12:03:51
Still deciding if I want to keep my set:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VmZqbu9.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ehjt55P.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/16qE6CI.jpg)
What keyboard/case is that? I love it..
Post by: bueller on Mon, 17 August 2015, 01:53:01
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 17 August 2015, 02:07:13
Where did that case come from?!?
What keyboard/case is that? I love it..
It's one in a series I made almost two years ago now. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46979.msg1093266#msg1093266)
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 17 August 2015, 04:27:05
Currently installed on my QFS with MX greens - favourite MX switch, good solid keyboard :)
You should get in there with some Tactile Greys totally worth the pressure on the fingers.
It's like each key is trying to resist your digit but it eventually bottoms out like an orgasmic scream, begging to be assaulted over and over again 8) .
YES the firmer Cherry's are what it's all about here, anything less is only wasting your time and effort because you need something to put up a resistance with every finger press.
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 17 August 2015, 05:04:28
Currently installed on my QFS with MX greens - favourite MX switch, good solid keyboard :)
You should get in there with some Tactile Greys totally worth the pressure on the fingers.
It's like each key is trying to resist your digit but it eventually bottoms out like an orgasmic scream, begging to be assaulted over and over again 8) .
YES the firmer Cherry's are what it's all about here, anything less is only wasting your time and effort because you need something to put up a resistance with every finger press.
Sounds like my fingers would like that - I have long thin fingers, but very strong, and I bottom out everything!
Post by: njbair on Mon, 17 August 2015, 06:18:23
Where did that case come from?!?What keyboard/case is that? I love it..
It's one in a series I made almost two years ago now. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46979.msg1093266#msg1093266)
Thanks for sharing. This gives me all kinds of neat ideas.
Post by: techmattr on Mon, 17 August 2015, 10:54:53
Color calibrated U2410. Shot RAW with neutral profile. No editing. Saved as png. The file uploaded to imgur doesn't perfectly match the local file I have in Photoshop but it is really close. The file in Photoshop I can hold the keycap up to the screen and it matches as close as my eyes can tell.
(http://i.imgur.com/VIrGmFa.png)
Edit:
It seems imgur plays more nicely with jpg. These two shots are identical on my local PC. The jpg below is the accurate one.
(http://i.imgur.com/0rxJFwH.jpg)
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 17 August 2015, 13:55:33
Post by: techmattr on Mon, 17 August 2015, 13:59:00
That is one of the most accurate photos I've seen so far, matches my set perfectly. Nice job on the pics techmattr! :thumb:
Thanks!
Post by: madhias on Mon, 17 August 2015, 14:06:13
This is why I keep my D50 around. No CMOS censor is as color accurate as the old school CCD sensors.
Color calibrated U2410. Shot RAW with neutral profile. No editing. Saved as png. The file uploaded to imgur doesn't perfectly match the local file I have in Photoshop but it is really close. The file in Photoshop I can hold the keycap up to the screen and it matches as close as my eyes can tell.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VIrGmFa.png)
Edit:
It seems imgur plays more nicely with jpg. These two shots are identical on my local PC. The jpg below is the accurate one.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0rxJFwH.jpg)
Hm, for me the first pictures white balance is off, but the mods color fit nicely, and in the second picture the white balance is better, but than the mods are for me too dark and bluish. And that's were color reproduction begins, for your setup it is perfect, but for other screens probably not. Great capture BTW, I really like that case, keycap and cable combo! Is the cable some zombie color?
Post by: techmattr on Mon, 17 August 2015, 14:35:21
This is why I keep my D50 around. No CMOS censor is as color accurate as the old school CCD sensors.
Color calibrated U2410. Shot RAW with neutral profile. No editing. Saved as png. The file uploaded to imgur doesn't perfectly match the local file I have in Photoshop but it is really close. The file in Photoshop I can hold the keycap up to the screen and it matches as close as my eyes can tell.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VIrGmFa.png)
Edit:
It seems imgur plays more nicely with jpg. These two shots are identical on my local PC. The jpg below is the accurate one.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0rxJFwH.jpg)
Hm, for me the first pictures white balance is off, but the mods color fit nicely, and in the second picture the white balance is better, but than the mods are for me too dark and bluish. And that's were color reproduction begins, for your setup it is perfect, but for other screens probably not. Great capture BTW, I really like that case, keycap and cable combo! Is the cable some zombie color?
The two pictures are actually identical. There is some type of processing that imgur does that impacts png but not jpg apparently. Or maybe how the browser is rendering png? I'm not really sure.
Thanks! The cable color is from Atwood's 2015 Limited Edition collection.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 17 August 2015, 14:36:38
This is why I keep my D50 around. No CMOS censor is as color accurate as the old school CCD sensors.
Color calibrated U2410. Shot RAW with neutral profile. No editing. Saved as png. The file uploaded to imgur doesn't perfectly match the local file I have in Photoshop but it is really close. The file in Photoshop I can hold the keycap up to the screen and it matches as close as my eyes can tell.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VIrGmFa.png)
Edit:
It seems imgur plays more nicely with jpg. These two shots are identical on my local PC. The jpg below is the accurate one.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0rxJFwH.jpg)
Hm, for me the first pictures white balance is off, but the mods color fit nicely, and in the second picture the white balance is better, but than the mods are for me too dark and bluish. And that's were color reproduction begins, for your setup it is perfect, but for other screens probably not. Great capture BTW, I really like that case, keycap and cable combo! Is the cable some zombie color?
The two pictures are actually identical. There is some type of processing that imgur does that impacts png but not jpg apparently. Or maybe how the browser is rendering png? I'm not really sure.
Thanks! The cable color is from Atwood's 2015 Limited Edition collection.
On my iPhone the two pics are quite different
Post by: techmattr on Mon, 17 August 2015, 14:44:58
This is why I keep my D50 around. No CMOS censor is as color accurate as the old school CCD sensors.
Color calibrated U2410. Shot RAW with neutral profile. No editing. Saved as png. The file uploaded to imgur doesn't perfectly match the local file I have in Photoshop but it is really close. The file in Photoshop I can hold the keycap up to the screen and it matches as close as my eyes can tell.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VIrGmFa.png)
Edit:
It seems imgur plays more nicely with jpg. These two shots are identical on my local PC. The jpg below is the accurate one.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0rxJFwH.jpg)
Hm, for me the first pictures white balance is off, but the mods color fit nicely, and in the second picture the white balance is better, but than the mods are for me too dark and bluish. And that's were color reproduction begins, for your setup it is perfect, but for other screens probably not. Great capture BTW, I really like that case, keycap and cable combo! Is the cable some zombie color?
The two pictures are actually identical. There is some type of processing that imgur does that impacts png but not jpg apparently. Or maybe how the browser is rendering png? I'm not really sure.
Thanks! The cable color is from Atwood's 2015 Limited Edition collection.
On my iPhone the two pics are quite different
Yeah that's why I posted the 2nd one. I probably should have just deleted the first one to avoid confusion. The only difference between the two photos is one was saved as png (the first one) and one was saved as jpg (the second one). For some reason when uploading to imgur the png was completely different than it should have been. When I uploaded the the jpg it looked just how it does on my desktop.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 17 August 2015, 14:52:24
This is why I keep my D50 around. No CMOS censor is as color accurate as the old school CCD sensors.
Color calibrated U2410. Shot RAW with neutral profile. No editing. Saved as png. The file uploaded to imgur doesn't perfectly match the local file I have in Photoshop but it is really close. The file in Photoshop I can hold the keycap up to the screen and it matches as close as my eyes can tell.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VIrGmFa.png)
Edit:
It seems imgur plays more nicely with jpg. These two shots are identical on my local PC. The jpg below is the accurate one.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0rxJFwH.jpg)
Hm, for me the first pictures white balance is off, but the mods color fit nicely, and in the second picture the white balance is better, but than the mods are for me too dark and bluish. And that's were color reproduction begins, for your setup it is perfect, but for other screens probably not. Great capture BTW, I really like that case, keycap and cable combo! Is the cable some zombie color?
The two pictures are actually identical. There is some type of processing that imgur does that impacts png but not jpg apparently. Or maybe how the browser is rendering png? I'm not really sure.
Thanks! The cable color is from Atwood's 2015 Limited Edition collection.
On my iPhone the two pics are quite different
Yeah that's why I posted the 2nd one. I probably should have just deleted the first one to avoid confusion. The only difference between the two photos is one was saved as png (the first one) and one was saved as jpg (the second one). For some reason when uploading to imgur the png was completely different than it should have been. When I uploaded the the jpg it looked just how it does on my desktop.
I think that jpgs support embedded color profiles, right? Maybe that's part of the difference?
Post by: techmattr on Mon, 17 August 2015, 15:43:25
This is why I keep my D50 around. No CMOS censor is as color accurate as the old school CCD sensors.
Color calibrated U2410. Shot RAW with neutral profile. No editing. Saved as png. The file uploaded to imgur doesn't perfectly match the local file I have in Photoshop but it is really close. The file in Photoshop I can hold the keycap up to the screen and it matches as close as my eyes can tell.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VIrGmFa.png)
Edit:
It seems imgur plays more nicely with jpg. These two shots are identical on my local PC. The jpg below is the accurate one.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0rxJFwH.jpg)
Hm, for me the first pictures white balance is off, but the mods color fit nicely, and in the second picture the white balance is better, but than the mods are for me too dark and bluish. And that's were color reproduction begins, for your setup it is perfect, but for other screens probably not. Great capture BTW, I really like that case, keycap and cable combo! Is the cable some zombie color?
The two pictures are actually identical. There is some type of processing that imgur does that impacts png but not jpg apparently. Or maybe how the browser is rendering png? I'm not really sure.
Thanks! The cable color is from Atwood's 2015 Limited Edition collection.
On my iPhone the two pics are quite different
Yeah that's why I posted the 2nd one. I probably should have just deleted the first one to avoid confusion. The only difference between the two photos is one was saved as png (the first one) and one was saved as jpg (the second one). For some reason when uploading to imgur the png was completely different than it should have been. When I uploaded the the jpg it looked just how it does on my desktop.
I think that jpgs support embedded color profiles, right? Maybe that's part of the difference?
I honestly don't know but that would explain the difference.
Post by: dragonken on Mon, 17 August 2015, 23:59:14
The color of mod keys is really too blue comparing to the prototype picture at page 1 which was impressed me to join this group buy.
The other problem is the led light leak.
I have many old cherry classic beige sets from taobao and 1 new GMK classic beige set from Originative.
I put the old keycaps / originative keycaps with some TA keys on a keyboard with red LED lighted on for side to side comparison.
I can say the led light leak of the TA keycaps is really unacceptable.
I have no other GMK mod keys like RGB or Cryllic so I am not sure is it a common problem for non classic beige keycaps.
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 18 August 2015, 00:33:28
She opened it and found the top tray has some scrambled keys in the center but the two other trays underneath are complete with no key mix-up at all.
Meaning only one tray is gonzo'd so that's to be expected when it's shipped from the US of A to Convict Town down under.
She actually said it's the first time I got any keys so neatly displayed because I usually get the normal bag format, like krack, delivered to my front door :thumb: .
Post by: henz on Tue, 18 August 2015, 00:52:02
Post by: njbair on Tue, 18 August 2015, 12:24:39
Mrs says that a MassDrop box got delivered today :p .
She opened it and found the top tray has some scrambled keys in the center but the two other trays underneath are complete with no key mix-up at all.
Meaning only one tray is gonzo'd so that's to be expected when it's shipped from the US of A to Convict Town down under.
She actually said it's the first time I got any keys so neatly displayed because I usually get the normal bag format, like krack, delivered to my front door :thumb: .
You get crack delivered to your front door? AU really is a convict settlement!
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 18 August 2015, 20:02:16
You get crack delivered to your front door? AU really is a convict settlement!
Yeah, that white powdery stuff you rub between your toes....... 8) .
Post by: naps250 on Wed, 19 August 2015, 02:02:37
Thanks for the reply and thanks intelli for the wonderful set.
Post by: monotagary on Wed, 19 August 2015, 02:30:19
So I received my set on Friday, but I could only take a look at it today. This is my first aftermarket set and first keycap groupbuy. The set arrived with half of it outside the tray. The tape on the right didn't hold I guess. I love the colours and didn't notice any significant scratches. There are some "marks" but they are not deep enough for me to care. The thing I don't understand is that every single keycap has a mark in the center of its back side (on the right side on the spacebars). They appear to be from the casting? Is it normal for keycaps to have such a mark and should I contact MD about it?
Thanks for the reply and thanks intelli for the wonderful set.
Yes, these are completely normal sprue marks. Have yet to see a single keyset that doesn't have them present.
Post by: Paranoid on Wed, 19 August 2015, 11:08:59
(http://i.imgur.com/aRp7QEW.jpg)
Found this sticker funny, since it comes from Germany. No clue what it's referring to though.
(http://i.imgur.com/hAZsvlW.jpg)
So yeah, keys everywhere except for where they should be.
(http://i.imgur.com/TNhhe4i.jpg)
The irony..
(http://i.imgur.com/NXFLUXU.jpg)
Anyway, after some sorting it's all tidy again. Colors are too warm in this picture so it's not really accurate.
(http://i.imgur.com/TswSlWE.jpg)
Keyset looks really good. I found no immediate significant damage to the keys. There were some leftover bits of sprue on some keys but no big deal. Still can't believe how much I ended up paying for this though :rolleyes:
Post by: frostylove on Wed, 19 August 2015, 11:39:17
But to me the result is unsatisfied. Big color difference and ****ty tray. The gray base is just not my favor.
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 19 August 2015, 19:41:48
Intelli78 takes a lot time on this GB, thank you.
But to me the result is unsatisfied. Big color difference and ****ty tray. The gray base is just not my favor.
The "Gray" base is essentially the original TA key-set hence the naming of this GB from the beginning.
Don't mind the gray colour because it's so light that the whole key-set should look divine in any off-white keyboard.
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 19 August 2015, 19:47:29
But to me the result is unsatisfied. Big color difference.What are you comparing it to?
Post by: frostylove on Wed, 19 August 2015, 20:32:50
But to me the result is unsatisfied. Big color difference.What are you comparing it to?
to the mock up in OP.
Post by: filphil on Wed, 19 August 2015, 20:46:21
But to me the result is unsatisfied. Big color difference.What are you comparing it to?
to the mock up in OP.
In all fairness I don't think I've seen many, if any at all, key sets with mock ups that were accurate to my liking. You sorta have to buy in hoping that the final product is to your liking which in your case didn't pan out. :(
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 19 August 2015, 21:45:06
But to me the result is unsatisfied. Big color difference.What are you comparing it to?
to the mock up in OP.
In all fairness I don't think I've seen many, if any at all, key sets with mock ups that were accurate to my liking. You sorta have to buy in hoping that the final product is to your liking which in your case didn't pan out. :(
Yep, although this colour-way is very well suited for any standard office fit out. Any keyboard furnishing these little wonders will feel at home with such ease, which is why the TA was done in the first place.
It's a very conservative colour choice, so there should be no complaints from Admin about any inappropriateness relating to any office decor scheme 8) .
Post by: zombimuncha on Thu, 20 August 2015, 01:29:24
Post by: kacase on Thu, 20 August 2015, 07:31:02
Post by: lolpes on Thu, 20 August 2015, 07:50:23
Not sure if this is normal for GMKs (this is my first set) but I already have shine on my left alt. I haven't even been using the keyboard the whole day.
That is very strange, have you got some pics of the cap?
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 20 August 2015, 07:59:03
Not sure if this is normal for GMKs (this is my first set) but I already have shine on my left alt. I haven't even been using the keyboard the whole day.
Do you really have shine or does the key just feel smoother than the others?
I noticed the latter with all my bottom row mods from GMK, but it doesn't bother me. There is no shine though (yet).
Edit: spelling
Post by: kacase on Thu, 20 August 2015, 12:21:50
Not sure if this is normal for GMKs (this is my first set) but I already have shine on my left alt. I haven't even been using the keyboard the whole day.
That is very strange, have you got some pics of the cap?
Not sure if this is normal for GMKs (this is my first set) but I already have shine on my left alt. I haven't even been using the keyboard the whole day.
Do you really have shine or does the key just feel smoother than the others?
I noticed the latter with all my bottom row mods from GMK, but it doesn't bother me. There is no shine though (yet).
Edit: spelling
It's not just the feel of the cap. It actually looks shiny and very different compared to all other caps. I am on a business trip right now but will take a picture tomorrow, once i am back home. It makes sense that my left alt starts to shine first too, because I have my thumb on it a lot (I mainly use my right thumb for space). On other sets I had before (e.g. SP DSA Dolch and the those ****ty laser ABS ones that came with my MX Board 3.0) my left alt was the first key I had noticeable shine on... however it took at least half a year with extensive typing. The TKL I have my Adler on is only the board I use at home, so a couple of hours after work. I didn't think it would happen that quickly. Luckily I am planning to use the Adler on a WKL, so i will have some "fresh" modifiers ready for that.
Has anyone else already noticed shine on their Adler Caps yet or am I the only one to this point?
The picture will be up tomorrow evening (CEST).
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 20 August 2015, 12:29:14
(http://i.imgur.com/zHldiNb.jpg)
Requested a replacement from MassDrop
Anyone had luck with replacements?
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Thu, 20 August 2015, 16:32:06
intelli78, the colors are stunning! I don't think the grey alphas are too light, for me they are perfect.
And those caps are going to the Cherry G80-3000 that I bought just for it. Photos will come... Soon™
EDIT: The potato picture. Don't mind the bed sheet, it's my little brother's bed:
[attach=1]
You can see the original keycaps and compare with TA.
Post by: jackiecanev2 on Thu, 20 August 2015, 16:43:37
Post by: rpeterclark on Thu, 20 August 2015, 17:09:10
I've received a replacement from MD; it, too, arrived in the same fashion as the first. I was able to cobble together a complete set of undamaged keys between the two kits, and sent one set containing all the damaged keys back.
Unbelievable!
Post by: wlhlm on Thu, 20 August 2015, 17:12:05
I've received a replacement from MD; it, too, arrived in the same fashion as the first. I was able to cobble together a complete set of undamaged keys between the two kits, and sent one set containing all the damaged keys back.(http://i.giphy.com/11RIDouEyKZ116.gif)
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 20 August 2015, 19:58:07
And those caps are going to the Cherry G80-3000 that I bought just for it. Photos will come... Soon™
(Attachment Link)
RESPECT for keeping it REAL, with it's natural keyboard :thumb: .
That G80-3000 of yours shall be envied everywhere once the dirty pictures get posted online......
Post by: kokokoy on Thu, 20 August 2015, 21:25:35
But still happy that it doesnt seem to have any damage.
Thanks Intelli!
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 20 August 2015, 22:41:21
"Oh! They didn't packed it right." - the immediate response of the post lady when she handed the box over on my collection.
MD packed it right, it's your Postal Service that decided to play footy with it in their distribution warehouse 8) .
Perfect example of some "Swift and Shift Courier Service" :thumb: .
Post by: duzeyao on Thu, 20 August 2015, 22:44:15
Should thank Lionblinds here for helping me get this wonderful set. :thumb:
Post by: simonyunhe on Thu, 20 August 2015, 23:54:07
Post by: kokokoy on Fri, 21 August 2015, 01:20:06
"Oh! They didn't packed it right." - the immediate response of the post lady when she handed the box over on my collection.
MD packed it right, it's your Postal Service that decided to play footy with it in their distribution warehouse 8) .
Perfect example of some "Swift and Shift Courier Service" :thumb: .
haha.. Im leaning more toward to DHL on this. The Germany > US > Germany > Singapore trip just sealed its fate for me. Just funny that when she picked it up both of us heard the same thing. :)
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 22 August 2015, 11:50:16
I love this set!
(http://i.imgur.com/xgW6tFM.jpg)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 22 August 2015, 12:53:29
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 22 August 2015, 20:26:45
I'm continually impressed by how great this set looks on modern boards with slimmer profiles than the old Cherry 3000. I did not expect that to be the case, so it's a welcome surprise.
You know, this set has had some seriously bad press, which is good for people buying it on the secondary market. It's a great set, great colors. Very unique, especially as the colors are custom.
Post by: Hanni on Sat, 22 August 2015, 20:57:41
Welp, after a little inspection : there is no obvious damage, no missing key, no bleed or crocked.
Few scratches on back side and many swirls on the side of keys , but its okay I guess.
Great set, thx intelli78 :thumb:
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 23 August 2015, 02:43:37
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 23 August 2015, 04:35:26
Anybody have suggestions for dealing with light bleed through? I saw a post about painting the underside of the switch, but seems sketchy
Turn the LED brightness down?
Post by: just66in on Sun, 23 August 2015, 05:02:06
Anybody have suggestions for dealing with light bleed through? I saw a post about painting the underside of the switch, but seems sketchy
You could cut-out some masking tape/duct to paste on the underside.
Post by: rpeterclark on Sun, 23 August 2015, 06:51:00
Anybody have suggestions for dealing with light bleed through? I saw a post about painting the underside of the switch, but seems sketchy
Yes, a simple and effective way is to put tiny squares of aluminum tape on the top of the LEDs. Use real aluminium tape, not that dryer vent stuff. No light goes through and it's easily reversible. Done this myself on a few boards.
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 23 August 2015, 07:57:07
Anybody have suggestions for dealing with light bleed through? I saw a post about painting the underside of the switch, but seems sketchy
Turn the LED brightness down?
I did this and I think I might actually prefer the look of my GON with the LEDs turned all the way down
Post by: yuktsi on Mon, 24 August 2015, 03:53:08
[attachimg=2]
I guess I am just lucky ;D
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 24 August 2015, 03:54:06
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
I guess I am just lucky ;D
Congratulations :)
Post by: CommonCurt on Mon, 24 August 2015, 05:15:34
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
I guess I am just lucky ;D
Wait until you look the caps over real good before you make that call.
Post by: henz on Mon, 24 August 2015, 06:15:07
Real shiity move.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 24 August 2015, 08:56:36
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/595/20844348925_7822f124ed_k.jpg)
GMK Triumph Adler (https://flic.kr/p/xKWJJi) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
Still have to inspect for any other defects, but it looks promising.
Post by: Belfong on Mon, 24 August 2015, 09:12:14
(Attachment Link)Mine came in a complete mess. I'd be interested to find out if yours are scratch free. Frankly, I doubt some of the keys rubbing against each other resulted in scratch. More than likely it's due to manufacturing defects.
(Attachment Link)
I guess I am just lucky ;D
Post by: yuktsi on Mon, 24 August 2015, 11:52:26
didn't bother to check, not that i can do anything(Attachment Link)Mine came in a complete mess. I'd be interested to find out if yours are scratch free. Frankly, I doubt some of the keys rubbing against each other resulted in scratch. More than likely it's due to manufacturing defects.
(Attachment Link)
I guess I am just lucky ;D
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 24 August 2015, 17:16:25
Hmm, I get my replacement set in a few days apparently. If there are any problems, I think I may just keep it and deal with it, idk.
Did you end up getting the replacement set?
Did it arrive safely?
Any better than the original set?
Post by: calmfries on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:46:31
Post by: digi on Tue, 25 August 2015, 10:48:41
I finally picked my set up from my parent's place. Looks like stacking three sets together really helped keep everything in line. :thumb:
Good lesson here guys, if you want the sets to arrive without issue, order 3 sets so they can cushion each other out.....mmkay?
Post by: tuantruong on Tue, 25 August 2015, 11:09:16
I got 5 but the top set still got messed. I guess it depends on how massdrop pack those sets, they could have put more bubble in the box or so.I finally picked my set up from my parent's place. Looks like stacking three sets together really helped keep everything in line. :thumb:
Good lesson here guys, if you want the sets to arrive without issue, order 3 sets so they can cushion each other out.....mmkay?
(http://i.imgur.com/mdoKQuZ.jpg)
Post by: NorrisB on Tue, 25 August 2015, 12:26:28
Post by: Nai_Calus on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:23:57
Anyone get their sets who returned it?
I returned mine. It got to their warehouse yesterday morning according to the tracking, waiting for my refund.
Gorgeous colours, but I just didn't want the hassle of getting a replacement set and it probably having the same or worse issues, and the only MX board I still use won't take any remotely standard key set. (It's a Kinesis Essential lulz.)
Post by: trizkut on Tue, 25 August 2015, 14:50:45
I finally picked my set up from my parent's place. Looks like stacking three sets together really helped keep everything in line. :thumb:
Good lesson here guys, if you want the sets to arrive without issue, order 3 sets so they can cushion each other out.....mmkay?
ordered 3 sets, still got scratches, what's the next step? :))
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 25 August 2015, 15:36:44
I finally picked my set up from my parent's place. Looks like stacking three sets together really helped keep everything in line. :thumb:
Good lesson here guys, if you want the sets to arrive without issue, order 3 sets so they can cushion each other out.....mmkay?
IIRC someone else ordered 3, and the top set was scrambled, but the bottom two were fine.
Keycap trays designed to be stacked, probably with something heavy on top.
Post by: bazh on Wed, 26 August 2015, 06:42:02
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11892223_1076911362321671_2510322709887839606_n.jpg?oh=d989427116ec5fe36779ce1a17fbe18a&oe=5680422E&__gda__=1449586767_aade78d5f159284525afff3d524f63dc)
Post by: NorrisB on Wed, 26 August 2015, 16:57:17
Post by: PrinsPils on Wed, 26 August 2015, 17:01:26
Post by: NorrisB on Wed, 26 August 2015, 17:04:14
Post by: MarkRobbo on Wed, 26 August 2015, 17:21:06
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Wed, 26 August 2015, 17:34:57
Post by: NorrisB on Wed, 26 August 2015, 17:51:09
My F6 doesn't look crooked, it's just got a nice big scratch through the entire "6" part. The "F" on my F4 is definitely very wonky.
Can you post a photo of your F6 key?
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Wed, 26 August 2015, 18:02:38
My F6 doesn't look crooked, it's just got a nice big scratch through the entire "6" part. The "F" on my F4 is definitely very wonky.
Can you post a photo of your F6 key?
My phone has a horrible camera so I'm not sure how useful the photo is, hard to see fine details.
(http://i.imgur.com/6Hkqv66.jpg)
Hmmm maybe the F is a little warped, hard for me to tell... honestly a lot of the legends are a little wobbly, bleeding or just inconsistent so I try not to look too closely.
Post by: NorrisB on Wed, 26 August 2015, 18:35:45
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 30 August 2015, 22:29:58
(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q572/Calvin_XC/_MG_7606%202_zpsbvsbrahp.jpg) (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/Calvin_XC/media/_MG_7606%202_zpsbvsbrahp.jpg.html)
What board is that, that is sweet!
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 30 August 2015, 22:32:34
(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q572/Calvin_XC/_MG_7606%202_zpsbvsbrahp.jpg) (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/Calvin_XC/media/_MG_7606%202_zpsbvsbrahp.jpg.html)
What board is that, that is sweet!
Looks like a Cheat.
Post by: jd29 on Sun, 30 August 2015, 23:19:47
That 6 is crooked, see how its leaning to the right
Character.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 31 August 2015, 10:48:52
(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q572/Calvin_XC/_MG_7606%202_zpsbvsbrahp.jpg) (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/Calvin_XC/media/_MG_7606%202_zpsbvsbrahp.jpg.html)
What board is that, that is sweet!
Looks like a Cheat.
Definitely a Cheat. :thumb:
Post by: icyskyz on Mon, 31 August 2015, 11:33:18
(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q572/Calvin_XC/_MG_7606%202_zpsbvsbrahp.jpg) (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/Calvin_XC/media/_MG_7606%202_zpsbvsbrahp.jpg.html)
what a great looking keyboard!
Post by: calmfries on Mon, 31 August 2015, 12:25:49
yup, it's a cheat(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q572/Calvin_XC/_MG_7606%202_zpsbvsbrahp.jpg) (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/Calvin_XC/media/_MG_7606%202_zpsbvsbrahp.jpg.html)
What board is that, that is sweet!
Post by: calmfries on Mon, 31 August 2015, 12:26:41
Thanks ;)(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q572/Calvin_XC/_MG_7606%202_zpsbvsbrahp.jpg) (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/Calvin_XC/media/_MG_7606%202_zpsbvsbrahp.jpg.html)
what a great looking keyboard!
Post by: calmfries on Mon, 31 August 2015, 12:28:03
Edit: double post(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q572/Calvin_XC/_MG_7606%202_zpsbvsbrahp.jpg) (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/Calvin_XC/media/_MG_7606%202_zpsbvsbrahp.jpg.html)
What board is that, that is sweet!
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 31 August 2015, 21:43:54
Edit: double post(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q572/Calvin_XC/_MG_7606%202_zpsbvsbrahp.jpg) (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/Calvin_XC/media/_MG_7606%202_zpsbvsbrahp.jpg.html)
What board is that, that is sweet!
Triple post :p
Post by: OTD on Tue, 01 September 2015, 10:46:10
(http://i1164.photobucket.com/albums/q572/Calvin_XC/_MG_7606%202_zpsbvsbrahp.jpg) (http://s1164.photobucket.com/user/Calvin_XC/media/_MG_7606%202_zpsbvsbrahp.jpg.html)
What board is that, that is sweet!
Guaranteed a cheat
Post by: jd29 on Tue, 01 September 2015, 11:25:41
What board is that, that is sweet!
Don't quote me on this, but I think it's a Cheat.
Post by: trizkut on Fri, 04 September 2015, 08:54:47
(http://i.imgur.com/Hf7ZNWw.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/dD0MuV8.jpg)
This came yesterday... Not exactly sure how this is "better packed"
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 04 September 2015, 09:14:52
This came yesterday... Not exactly sure how this is "better packed"
Maybe this time there are more keys still inside the tray? :))
Post by: zombimuncha on Fri, 04 September 2015, 10:24:54
But also - yay!!!!
Post by: retrochick on Sat, 05 September 2015, 11:22:47
Post by: Rhinofeed on Sat, 05 September 2015, 19:50:06
https://youtu.be/fQWmOuOltO8 (https://youtu.be/fQWmOuOltO8)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 06 September 2015, 16:06:33
I can't help but think this is somehow motivated by what happened here.
Post by: Pieminister on Sun, 06 September 2015, 17:34:32
Thanks again Intelli78, this is a beautiful keyset! I was finally able to get my review posted, if you haven't seen it yet. Hopefully Massdrop will know to package them better next time!
https://youtu.be/fQWmOuOltO8 (https://youtu.be/fQWmOuOltO8)
My godness, that was the first really good keyboard related review I have seen on youtube. Great visual and audio quality. So many times I have seen people record the sound of certain cherry switches with their iPhone microphone with the AC running in the background. I will subscribe to your channel.
Post by: Rhinofeed on Sun, 06 September 2015, 21:29:34
Thank you very much!Thanks again Intelli78, this is a beautiful keyset! I was finally able to get my review posted, if you haven't seen it yet. Hopefully Massdrop will know to package them better next time!
https://youtu.be/fQWmOuOltO8 (https://youtu.be/fQWmOuOltO8)
My godness, that was the first really good keyboard related review I have seen on youtube. Great visual and audio quality. So many times I have seen people record the sound of certain cherry switches with their iPhone microphone with the AC running in the background. I will subscribe to your channel.
Post by: zombimuncha on Mon, 07 September 2015, 07:20:15
Save me searching thru this massive thread for them :( I found the code for the teal, but not for the legends.
I'm gonna try applying some front legends and want to make sure I get the colours right.
Post by: jackhumbert on Tue, 08 September 2015, 23:17:41
I received an email from Massdrop last week, regarding the recent Planck drop. Jack from Ortholinear Keyboards wanted to tell everyone that they would be packing and shipping all domestic orders directly from Ortholinear's facility, rather than going through Massdrop's fulfillment center. Only international orders will be shipping from Massdrop.
I can't help but think this is somehow motivated by what happened here.
Nah, I'd just rather do things myself and pick-up the funds set aside for packing/shipping those. It also allows me to ship (some) orders as they're ready instead of all-at-once.
Post by: njbair on Fri, 11 September 2015, 07:33:21
Fair enough. At any rate, it's good news for those of us from this buy who have lost their confidence in MD's packing and shipping ability.I received an email from Massdrop last week, regarding the recent Planck drop. Jack from Ortholinear Keyboards wanted to tell everyone that they would be packing and shipping all domestic orders directly from Ortholinear's facility, rather than going through Massdrop's fulfillment center. Only international orders will be shipping from Massdrop.
I can't help but think this is somehow motivated by what happened here.
Nah, I'd just rather do things myself and pick-up the funds set aside for packing/shipping those. It also allows me to ship (some) orders as they're ready instead of all-at-once.
Post by: OTD on Fri, 11 September 2015, 23:11:33
Post by: mz/x on Sat, 12 September 2015, 12:31:18
BTW, if somebody is interested I have an extra unopened set. PM me if you want to buy it.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 12 September 2015, 13:04:56
I've been reading the posts and looking the horror arrival pictures of other members' keysets and I am not sure whether MD changed anything with the packaging or simply I was lucky. I received all three sets intact. None of the plastic holders were open and all keycaps were sitting where they supposed to be. I am wondering, since my package was full whether the multiple sets nicely cushioned each other and prevented the opening of the plastic holder. Anyway, the Triumph Adler is just awesome and looks much much better in real life than on picture.We discovered pretty early on that those of us receiving multiple sets had far fewer shipping/packing issues, presumably because there was less wiggle room in the box. Only one of my two sets was mixed up at all, and it was only a bit of shifting within the clamshell, nothing escaped into the outer box.
BTW, if somebody is interested I have an extra unopened set. PM me if you want to buy it.
Post by: mz/x on Sat, 12 September 2015, 16:56:22
I noticed a post a while back saying the same but I thought it was down to luck. As it appears we can those of who ordered more sets got "special" treatment. ;) Since I have an extra set (if somebody is interested PM) it is good to know how to ship this plastic keyset holder ... (just pack as tightly as possible). :thumb:I've been reading the posts and looking the horror arrival pictures of other members' keysets and I am not sure whether MD changed anything with the packaging or simply I was lucky. I received all three sets intact. None of the plastic holders were open and all keycaps were sitting where they supposed to be. I am wondering, since my package was full whether the multiple sets nicely cushioned each other and prevented the opening of the plastic holder. Anyway, the Triumph Adler is just awesome and looks much much better in real life than on picture.We discovered pretty early on that those of us receiving multiple sets had far fewer shipping/packing issues, presumably because there was less wiggle room in the box. Only one of my two sets was mixed up at all, and it was only a bit of shifting within the clamshell, nothing escaped into the outer box.
BTW, if somebody is interested I have an extra unopened set. PM me if you want to buy it.
Post by: zombimuncha on Thu, 17 September 2015, 10:01:52
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[attachimg=2]
No scratches. No swirlies. Pity about that num+ tho.
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 17 September 2015, 13:16:17
My replacement caps just arrived! I think they did pretty well with the packaging this time.
(Attachment Link)
(Attachment Link)
No scratches. No swirlies. Pity about that num+ tho.
Good to see that massdrop is fixing the damaged sets :thumb:
Makes me wonder though why the swirls seem to appear randomly. I thought if one key is screwed up all the other keys with the same legend would have the same flaw.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 17 September 2015, 13:19:53
My replacement caps just arrived! I think they did pretty well with the packaging this time.
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No scratches. No swirlies. Pity about that num+ tho.
Interesting that MD was willing to replace a few keys only for your set. My CS rep wanted me to ship back the whole set for a new one. :/ Still no word on when it will be shipped back.
Post by: zombimuncha on Thu, 17 September 2015, 15:06:09
My replacement caps just arrived! I think they did pretty well with the packaging this time.
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No scratches. No swirlies. Pity about that num+ tho.
Interesting that MD was willing to replace a few keys only for your set. My CS rep wanted me to ship back the whole set for a new one. :/ Still no word on when it will be shipped back.
They wanted to replace my entire set too, but by the time the email came I'd already seen photos of other peoples 2nd and 3rd sets arriving with the exact same problems so I insisted that they send only the caps I needed to fix my current set, and without another one of those silly cellophane trays. Took a while but they went for it. I'm pretty pleased with the result.
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 17 September 2015, 15:10:41
My replacement caps just arrived! I think they did pretty well with the packaging this time.
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No scratches. No swirlies. Pity about that num+ tho.
Each keycap individually hand-wrapped?
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 17 September 2015, 17:25:15
My replacement caps just arrived! I think they did pretty well with the packaging this time.
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No scratches. No swirlies. Pity about that num+ tho.
Interesting that MD was willing to replace a few keys only for your set. My CS rep wanted me to ship back the whole set for a new one. :/ Still no word on when it will be shipped back.
I thought I was going to have to send both my sets back just to get a few caps replaced also. Then when I saw people saying that they were just getting select caps replaced I contacted MD. Now they are just sending me my caps that had damage (i had to send them pictures of said caps first of course).
Post by: zombimuncha on Fri, 18 September 2015, 00:46:44
My replacement caps just arrived! I think they did pretty well with the packaging this time.
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No scratches. No swirlies. Pity about that num+ tho.
Each keycap individually hand-wrapped?
Yeah, no kidding!
I guess they're sick of seeing so many returns and replacements, and replacements of replacements, so they're going all-out to make sure this thing stays shipped this time around.
I get the feeling MD feel like they're playing whack-a-mole with the shipping of this set.
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 18 September 2015, 06:15:28
My replacement caps just arrived! I think they did pretty well with the packaging this time.
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(Attachment Link)
No scratches. No swirlies. Pity about that num+ tho.
Each keycap individually hand-wrapped?
Yeah, no kidding!
I guess they're sick of seeing so many returns and replacements, and replacements of replacements, so they're going all-out to make sure this thing stays shipped this time around.
I get the feeling MD feel like they're playing whack-a-mole with the shipping of this set.
What it looked like, but I thought I'd better ask.
Gone from one extreme to the other!
Post by: clochette on Thu, 24 September 2015, 00:38:06
Post by: ideus on Thu, 24 September 2015, 07:41:15
would love to purchase a set if anyone is willing to sell their's, shoot me a PM
By the way, welcome to GH.
Post by: clochette on Thu, 24 September 2015, 08:06:15
would love to purchase a set if anyone is willing to sell their's, shoot me a PM
By the way, welcome to GH.
Much appreciated :)
PS. I have found a set, props to LechnerDE
Post by: ideus on Thu, 24 September 2015, 08:10:47
would love to purchase a set if anyone is willing to sell their's, shoot me a PM
By the way, welcome to GH.
Much appreciated :)
PS. I have found a set, props to LechnerDE
Good for you. I have seen some sets on sale at Deskthority, in case someone wants one.
Post by: mz/x on Thu, 24 September 2015, 17:43:04
I am selling there one so if somebody is interested please PM me. :-)would love to purchase a set if anyone is willing to sell their's, shoot me a PM
By the way, welcome to GH.
Much appreciated :)
PS. I have found a set, props to LechnerDE
Good for you. I have seen some sets on sale at Deskthority, in case someone wants one.
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 24 September 2015, 18:05:25
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Post by: phoenix1234 on Thu, 01 October 2015, 09:47:30
I cannot tell how much thank him for this.
The set is safe and sound.
The colour tones is perfect for me.
(http://i.imgur.com/CYrX7dd.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gfYeAf8.jpg)
Edit: adding a couple of objects to see how real the colour of TA is.
In fact, the colour is pretty amazing to me.
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 02 October 2015, 23:24:19
I got a set viajil_jil32 a couple of days ago.
I cannot tell how much thank him for this.
The set is safe and sound.
The colour tones is perfect for me.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CYrX7dd.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gfYeAf8.jpg)
Edit: adding a couple of objects to see how real the colour of TA is.
In fact, the colour is pretty amazing to me.
So true the colours are superb and looks great virtually in any keyboard.
Was so glad to be in this GMK buy in simply because you have to get into every GMK set when it presents itelf.
Post by: skycrimes on Tue, 03 November 2015, 13:16:03
Post by: romevi on Tue, 03 November 2015, 13:18:22
Any news on a round 2?
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 03 November 2015, 13:25:08
sorry to resurrect this but to those who bought this from canada how much did you pay in shipping?
According to the invoice on the Massdrop page, it was $13.28 USD
I forgot about this once-very-hot thread.
Any news on a round 2?
It's incredibly unlikely that there will be a R2 for this one, just because we needed a custom colour from GMK, and the MOQ was so high. I don't think Intelli is particularly interested in organizing R2 anyway.
Post by: calvinhousecat on Tue, 03 November 2015, 14:40:41
I forgot about this once-very-hot thread.
Any news on a round 2?
I'm thinking about letting go of my set to make room for storage in my room.
PM if you want to buy
Post by: lobehold on Thu, 12 November 2015, 23:17:06
sorry to resurrect this but to those who bought this from canada how much did you pay in shipping?
I paid $13.28 shipped to Ottawa, got slammed with about $17 extra for GST though.
Post by: Pieminister on Sun, 17 January 2016, 10:12:57
Does anyone have a spare TA ISO adapter kit. I am after a few specific keys. Mainly the enter, blank, \ and short shift.
I am willing to buy individual keys or the kit as a hole. Will of course pay.
May be a chance for someone to make money off an ISO kit that didn't end up needing it.
Post by: 64rky on Tue, 02 February 2016, 18:23:40
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/triumph-adler-gmk-keyset/?mode=guest_openShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/fyzLdsC.png)
What's special about this set?
- It's gorgeous
- <10 original sets are known to exist
- Made on the same machinery that made the originals
- Layout will cover nearly any keyboard out there
- Includes ISO keys
- Dope teal spacebars
- First time a GMK set has ever had a custom color, let alone 3
- Lowest price EVER on a GMK set!
More info in IC thread here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65724.0
User Vax (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16341) has offered to proxy orders for Germans who want to save money with shared shipping.
Post by: xondat on Wed, 03 February 2016, 03:45:06
Hey guys! Bit of an odd request.All TA sets came with ISO adapters, you do realize that right? I don't think many will sell so that in the future they can sell the full kit.
Does anyone have a spare TA ISO adapter kit. I am after a few specific keys. Mainly the enter, blank, \ and short shift.
I am willing to buy individual keys or the kit as a hole. Will of course pay.
May be a chance for someone to make money off an ISO kit that didn't end up needing it.
Post by: Pieminister on Wed, 03 February 2016, 04:04:09
Hey guys! Bit of an odd request.All TA sets came with ISO adapters, you do realize that right? I don't think many will sell so that in the future they can sell the full kit.
Does anyone have a spare TA ISO adapter kit. I am after a few specific keys. Mainly the enter, blank, \ and short shift.
I am willing to buy individual keys or the kit as a hole. Will of course pay.
May be a chance for someone to make money off an ISO kit that didn't end up needing it.
Yes I know that, so I think there are A LOT of unused ISO kits out there! Worth a shot is someone wants to make a few dollars.
Post by: jaffers on Wed, 03 February 2016, 04:11:19
Post by: FLFisherman on Wed, 03 February 2016, 06:21:52
I'd love to buy a set of this if anyone has any. I missed the original GB, but would join if it's ever run againCheck out reddit's mechmarket. I see some get posted for sale at least once a week.
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 03 February 2016, 06:30:04
I'd love to buy a set of this if anyone has any. I missed the original GB, but would join if it's ever run againCheck out reddit's mechmarket. I see some get posted for sale at least once a week.
Yea these come up for sale more often than the others... I love this set though :)
Post by: romevi on Wed, 03 February 2016, 10:09:15
I'd love to buy a set of this if anyone has any. I missed the original GB, but would join if it's ever run againCheck out reddit's mechmarket. I see some get posted for sale at least once a week.
Yea these come up for sale more often than the others... I love this set though :)
Same. I see this set for sale all the time, yet I love it and it's one of my favorite GMK sets.
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 03 February 2016, 10:13:33
I'd love to buy a set of this if anyone has any. I missed the original GB, but would join if it's ever run againCheck out reddit's mechmarket. I see some get posted for sale at least once a week.
Yea these come up for sale more often than the others... I love this set though :)
Same. I see this set for sale all the time, yet I love it and it's one of my favorite GMK sets.
I've been considering selling mine... but that's because I have more than 1 :D
Post by: romevi on Wed, 03 February 2016, 10:28:39
I'd love to buy a set of this if anyone has any. I missed the original GB, but would join if it's ever run againCheck out reddit's mechmarket. I see some get posted for sale at least once a week.
Yea these come up for sale more often than the others... I love this set though :)
Same. I see this set for sale all the time, yet I love it and it's one of my favorite GMK sets.
I've been considering selling mine... but that's because I have more than 1 :D
I also think it's because so many of these were purchased. Is this one of, if not the, highest-selling GMK sets?
Post by: gandroider on Fri, 07 October 2016, 17:35:39
NB: Do apologize to raise this old thread.. Thanks
Post by: xondat on Fri, 07 October 2016, 17:53:47
Will this GMK TA fit into the new Leopold FC980M?If you're looking for the correct profiles, no.
NB: Do apologize to raise this old thread.. Thanks
Post by: gandroider on Fri, 07 October 2016, 19:54:34
If you're looking for the correct profiles, no.
Not the profile, but the keycap size. I thought that several keycaps from the FC980M differ from the standard aftermarket keycaps (eg. the right shift and the space-row looks smaller compare from the standard keycaps size).
Thank you for the reply.