The Toxic set [restructuring with ctrl alt store]

[Lighthouse1]

First GB, key step is not to wonder what I'll do with so many key sets and simply give in to the green on grey!

[jdcarpe]

wonder what I'll do with so many key sets

Buy MOAR keyboards!

[danielucf]

Updated the counts, and who ordered list.

Also Kravlin pretty much has it right on the vendor pack. Just to clarify though the vendor pack is a way to buy at group buy prices and get all the keys in one shot. Vendors participation in this is for publicity and traffic to their site, and also for them to purchase extras of what they pledge to sell on their site. It is possible that people may not want the vendor pack if it is too expensive, but will want to buy one or two keys. Some may also want just a vendor pack and not actually buy any other piece of the Toxic set. I tried to structure it in a way that it would benefit those who participate in the group buy, and the vendors as well.

EDIT: Just got permission from DanGWanG to include his "Green" 420 cap (both GX on TOX, and TOX on GX) in the vendor set. Get pumped!

[DanGWanG]

EDIT: Just got permission from DanGWanG to include his "Green" 420 cap (both GX on TOX, and TOX on GX) in the vendor set. Get pumped!

[Halverson]

EDIT: Just got permission from DanGWanG to include his "Green" 420 cap (both GX on TOX, and TOX on GX) in the vendor set. Get pumped!

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Awesome!

[Batmann]

^ Sweeet

[demik]

what i want to know is..

why the hell hasn't dan done a [1] through [10] set.

[DanGWanG]

what i want to know is..

why the hell hasn't dan done a [1] through [10] set.

That is the greatest idea I have heard all year...

[demik]

exactly!

im over flowing with good ideas tonight

[Shadovved]

Yay the dan face! 

[happyzung]

I just filled out the order form.

Thanks.

[Kaysa]

when is the legend going to be decide?

[DrSchlock]

Form submitted

[jakemfbacon]

form submitted.. woo

[1000]

Filled!

[reaper]

^ First post! Welcome to Geekhack! 

[SmallFry]

Only 999 to go! )

[Glissant]

Filled!

[Supergleep]

Just ordered an extra set, and added some of the extras. Made a note of both orders and totals in the order form comment section.

Such a cool set. Really looking forward to it.

Original Order:  1x Base, 1x Mod, 1x Num Pad
This Order: 1x Base, 1x Mod, 1x Num Pad, 2x Winkeyless, 2x CapsLock, 2x Vendor

Grand Total of both orders: 2x Base, 2x Mod, 2x Num Pad, 2x Winkeyless, 2x CapsLock, 2x Vendor.

Thanks!

[Shadovved]

Yeap, come on push it UP!

We are filling out group buy over at our forum to buy tog

[i3oilermaker]

Does anyone else thing that keeping this buy open until March may cause problems?

First, in 3-4 months people may change their minds on what they want.  Second, at this point, the sets are not going to get a whole lot cheaper.

I am certainly in favor of leaving it open for enough time to let everyone in who wants in, but March seems like overkill.

[Shadovved]

Make it the 2nd week of Jan 

[metalliqaz]

That's what I thought, too.  All of December and January should be plenty of time.

[alaricljs]

I agree that March is a bit much.

Has anything been done to work with SP on formulating this new color?  That'll take some time in and of itself and some people (like myself) want to see a sample before ordering.  I prefer not to back out of things, so I wait til I'm sure.  Even if it was just a picture from Mel next to some color ring samples that should be good enough for a lot of people.

[DanGWanG]

I would like to see this set earlier than March, that's for sure.

[Acetrak]

I agree that March is a bit long. From the OP it sounds like there are high hopes for Cherry font, so that might be why the target date is so far away.

+1 for seeing prototypes before ordering!

[boost]

March is a tad bit late. Maybe sometime in Jan will be nice

[KuhnTang]

OMG, I thought I was the only one that thought March was CRAZY so I kept my mouth shut.  BTW what are we going to save, like $5 having more people sign up.  Lets get this done by mid January.  I think everyone that's already signed up would be happier.

[MMB]

Does anyone else thing that keeping this buy open until March may cause problems?

First, in 3-4 months people may change their minds on what they want.  Second, at this point, the sets are not going to get a whole lot cheaper.

I am certainly in favor of leaving it open for enough time to let everyone in who wants in, but March seems like overkill.

Agreed. This is way too long to run a keycap set GB.

[leesofi]

filled.

[danielucf]

Well if you all want it concluded sooner, then push the Cherry font controllers to start collecting pledges and get it done faster. It is all well and good that they want to be able to make keys to support more languages, but there is no point delaying 95% of the community in my opinion.

[i3oilermaker]

Well if you all want it concluded sooner, then push the Cherry font controllers to start collecting pledges and get it done faster. It is all well and good that they want to be able to make keys to support more languages, but there is no point delaying 95% of the community in my opinion.

I don't think anyone is expecting this set to be done in Cherry font.  Besides, even after the cherry font is completed, they are not opening the legends to group buys until they complete the Dolch set.

[KuhnTang]

yeah, I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but personally don't care if its cherry or not.  It truly means NOTHING to me, however, I know some people are really into that.

[metalliqaz]

Well if you all want it concluded sooner, then push the Cherry font controllers to start collecting pledges and get it done faster. It is all well and good that they want to be able to make keys to support more languages, but there is no point delaying 95% of the community in my opinion.

I don't think anyone is expecting this set to be done in Cherry font.  Besides, even after the cherry font is completed, they are not opening the legends to group buys until they complete the Dolch set.

I figured if they got GMK to run a dolch set then it would be essentially open season.

[danielucf]

The feet dragging on the Cherry legends is just going to make someone else more motivated get it done in a reasonable time frame.

The fact that Sanctuary set has its own legends, and is already complete in a shorter time frame than the currently non-existent complete cherry legends speaks volumes.

[longweight]

The Cherry font project is going to take a couple of months to get going even after 6 weeks of payment collecting, it won't happen in time for this.

[i3oilermaker]

The feet dragging on the Cherry legends is just going to make someone else more motivated get it done in a reasonable time frame.

The fact that Sanctuary set has its own legends, and is already complete in a shorter time frame than the currently non-existent complete cherry legends speaks volumes.

I think that's besides the point.  In a matter of about an hour the following people agreed that January is plenty of time to allow before collecting:

i3oilermaker
Shadovved
metalliqaz
alaricljs
DanGWanG
Acetrak
boost
KuhnTang
MMB

[korne]

I don't have any problem if we wait for cherry legends with SP or we wait for a GMK GB

[longweight]

I don't have any problem if we wait for cherry legends with SP or we wait for a GMK GB

It will get very messy though if we do wait as people will drop out in 3-4 months time.

[jdcarpe]

Quicker the better. Mid-January please.

[danielucf]

Did a lot of people drop from R3 or R4? Everyone here signed up after reading the planned deadline. If they were not willing to wait until March why did they put in an order....
Sanctuary has been running since July 18th.
There are almost 100 unique orders and this hasn't even been open a week yet. People that want it will wait. If you are one of the impatient then this hobby may not be for you.

Maybe we can get the vendor set released early so everyone can see the Toxic color. I will also ask Melissa about the prototyping fees since I know Sanctuary had several phases of prototypes. It could even be possible to convince the Cherry controllers to use the Toxic set as a prototype set so that when it comes to Dolch everything will be refined and perfect.

[MMB]

I don't think anyone is expecting this set to be done in Cherry font.  Besides, even after the cherry font is completed, they are not opening the legends to group buys until they complete the Dolch set.

This point has been made a million times, in a million different places. Why are people still assuming they can use the cherry legends?

[MMB]

Did a lot of people drop from R3 or R4?

Yes. Apparently you haven't kept up with either of those. Making a GB last that long, makes zero sense. You aren't going to get the cherry legends. Just run it the same as CCnG, RA2, etc legends. Patience or not, people do lose interest after a short time, and decide to put their dollars on something they can acquire sooner. That isn't a GB issue, that's just a human condition issue.

[nokcha]

imho let the group buy organizer decide when orders will be closed :\
He's taking his own personal time to give the community an opportunity at a nice colorful keycap set.

[Batmann]

^ This

Schedule is known from the first post of the IC, nobody complained about it o.O

[i3oilermaker]

By all means this is daniel's decision to make, but I just wanted to make sure he understands that R4 was a disaster because it lasted so long.  There were lots of people that dropped out (myself included) because of the timeline and as a result the prices got jacked up in the end. 


From my experience in the 10+ group buys that I have run is 90% of the orders come in the first week or two and after that it drops of significantly.  I understand leaving it open if there is a significant price break to shoot for, but where we already are with these MOQs 50/100 more sets will only bank us a buck or two.

[tjcaustin]

As a thought, since you're preferring cherry font and the like:  Have you tried to contact GMK personally or are you waiting out of respect for dan and lysol?

[MMB]

As a thought, since you're preferring cherry font and the like:  Have you tried to contact GMK personally or are you waiting out of respect for dan and lysol?

They are referring to the cherry adopt-a-legend project, which has been placed on hold indefinitely. They placed it on hold because of GMK. So, firstly, this GB couldn't use those legends until the set they planned to use first was ran, which would extend this out farther than March. It really isn't feasible to assume this GB can use the cherry legends in a reasonable amount of time.

[MMB]

imho let the group buy organizer decide when orders will be closed :\
He's taking his own personal time to give the community an opportunity at a nice colorful keycap set.

That's true - it's his GB. But it's also true that the people advising him on this, have ran several GB's, and have quite a bit more experience. And I think daniel should take their advice to heart.

[KuhnTang]

Did a lot of people drop from R3 or R4?

Yes. Apparently you haven't kept up with either of those. Making a GB last that long, makes zero sense. You aren't going to get the cherry legends. Just run it the same as CCnG, RA2, etc legends. Patience or not, people do lose interest after a short time, and decide to put their dollars on something they can acquire sooner. That isn't a GB issue, that's just a human condition issue.

^Agreed

I couldn't have said it better myself, human condition really sums it up.  There are other sets coming out like RA2 that others will jump on if this one doesn't get done in time.  I'm personally signed up for both, just saying.

Daniel,
In the end, we all know this is your decision, and I'm sure we all respect that. Have you considered taking a poll?  that will tell you right away what people want.  I know I signed up for the March time frame, but only because their was no other option/date/choice given.  That is also the reason I kept searching for other sets that will be coming out sooner.  As cool as your set is, whether you're on hold, in a line, etc, ..... waiting sucks!