[GB] GMK Triumph Adler. Pics posted...

[Evo_Spec]

...i'm not sure if i want this or to try and get someone's hyperfuse set.....

[jackiecanev2]

....i finally got sucked in to GH and my first GH/MD buy. God, this set are gonna be nice on anything but my wallet.

[Evo_Spec]

....i finally got sucked in to GH and my first GH/MD buy. God, this set are gonna be nice on anything but my wallet.

Welcome to WalletHack, hope your posture gets better from having an empty wallet.

[nubbinator]

...i'm not sure if i want this or and to try and get someone's hyperfuse set.....

[hwood34]

this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.

It just went from insta-buy to pass.

You really thought there was a chance that we could hit MOQ with QWERTZ?

[Evo_Spec]

...i'm not sure if i want this or and to try and get someone's hyperfuse set.....

yeah....... -_-

[Jixr]

this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.

It just went from insta-buy to pass.

You really thought there was a chance that we could hit MOQ with QWERTZ?

people are complaining about the all caps ctrl keys, and the bottom row profile. and the designer is saying that he wanted to copy it exactly, so why not just make it more appealing if you're not going to copy it exactly right?

[Photekq]

this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.

It just went from insta-buy to pass.

It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version.

[hwood34]

this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.

It just went from insta-buy to pass.

You really thought there was a chance that we could hit MOQ with QWERTZ?

people are complaining about the all caps ctrl keys, and the designer is saying that he wanted to copy it exactly, so why not just make it more appealing if you're not going to copy it exactly right?

because the CTRL is an aesthetic decision, qwertz is a functional change

[radio_killah]

I don't understand why people are complaining on here again about the keys in the set. Intelli said from the start that no changes would be made. I understand that the Massdrop crowd doesn't know that but we shouldn't have to bring up that topic again here.  )

[jdcarpe]

this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.

It just went from insta-buy to pass.

It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version.

Ah, but is that 1.5u CTRL key in A-profile or B-profile?

[inanis]

this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.

It just went from insta-buy to pass.

I don't understand....qwertz is a modern layout, it just isn't ANSI. There was a TA ANSI version as well.

[Jixr]

this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.

It just went from insta-buy to pass.

It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version.

Didn't know that existed. MD should update its pics with this instead. a few people on MD have already questioned the layout differences.

[ideus]

I don't understand why people are complaining on here again about the keys in the set. Intelli said from the start that no changes would be made. I understand that the Massdrop crowd doesn't know that but we shouldn't have to bring up that topic again here.  )

People expressing their feelings makes the same, the wind flowing on a train does; which is nothing. But, it is fair to let them to express themselves.

[Photekq]

Ah, but is that 1.5u CTRL key in A-profile or B-profile?

A-profile

That's why we went with it.

[jdcarpe]

Ah, but is that 1.5u CTRL key in A-profile or B-profile?

A-profile

That's why we went with it.

I like your mockup for the classic beige set. Pretty much perfect. I just wish...

[3Love]

Already ordered on Massdrop

[heedpantsnow]

this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.

It just went from insta-buy to pass.

It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version.

Didn't know that existed. MD should update its pics with this instead. a few people on MD have already questioned the layout differences.

Thank you for your input.

[dante]

I'm not interested in this particular set - but this is the kind of product that made me fall in love with MassDrop in the first place.

[drewba]

this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.

It just went from insta-buy to pass.

It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version.

Didn't know that existed. MD should update its pics with this instead. a few people on MD have already questioned the layout differences.

Thank you for your input.

I feel bad but

[cjhard]

Does the keyboard in the MD picture have a bubblegum wrapper under the Enter key?

[shawn o]

So when is the group buy for the 7 missing B profile bottom row keys included with other GMK sets?

[HoffmanMyster]

So when is the group buy for the 7 missing B profile bottom row keys included with other GMK sets?

Dude.

[Jixr]

this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.

It just went from insta-buy to pass.

It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version.

Didn't know that existed. MD should update its pics with this instead. a few people on MD have already questioned the layout differences.

Thank you for your input.

Thanks for keeping up the stigma that everyone on here are pompous ****s.

[whentheclouds]

almost three hundred replies within a day - blockbuster thread for a blockbuster GB.

So when is the group buy for the 7 missing B profile bottom row keys included with other GMK sets?

yeah, wait until the buy is live to start whining instead of raising your concern in the 4 months long IC thread. piss off

[BunnyLake]

So when is the group buy for the 7 missing B profile bottom row keys included with other GMK sets?

Dude.

it seems odd not to include them, i personally like A profile, but as its a custom colour buy, it would have made more sense to include as much as possible first time around, as the chance of ever being able to add to it is incredibly small

that being said, its all locked in now so nothing to be done, everyone can vote with their wallet and whatnot

[HoffmanMyster]

So when is the group buy for the 7 missing B profile bottom row keys included with other GMK sets?

Dude.

it seems odd not to include them, i personally like A profile, but as its a custom colour buy, it would have made more sense to include as much as possible first time around, as the chance of ever being able to add to it is incredibly small

that being said, its all locked in now so nothing to be done, everyone can vote with their wallet and whatnot

Oh absolutely, these are all valid concerns to bring up in the IC phase of the buy, no doubt about that.  And heck, I agree with many of the complaints being mentioned in this thread.  But the fact of the matter is that there will absolutely not be any more changes, so what's the point?  At this point it's bordering on threadcrapping.  Either buy it or don't, it's your choice, but there's nothing to be gained from complaining.

So when is the group buy for the 7 missing B profile bottom row keys included with other GMK sets?

yeah, wait until the buy is live to start whining instead of raising your concern in the 4 months long IC thread.

^^

[nubbinator]

Thanks for keeping up the stigma that everyone on here are pompous ****s.

It's a joke from another thread.

That said, seriously, you need to just breath and relax.  No one is forcing you to participate in the buy and there has already been a discussion in the Interest Check sub.  Yes, some things were different than we thought they would be, but it's a novel buy with GMK unlike one that has been seen before and will likely not be seen again.  Instead of complaining about everything (like you frequently do here), breath, ask if it's really important, and if you decide it is, ask about politely instead of immediately trashing it.

[jdcarpe]

almost three hundred replies within a day - blockbuster thread for a blockbuster GB.

So when is the group buy for the 7 missing B profile bottom row keys included with other GMK sets?

yeah, wait until the buy is live to start whining instead of raising your concern in the 4 months long IC thread. piss off

No need to be rude. The A-profile bottom row and the CTRL and PRTSC legends were not even discussed in the IC thread. Believe me, had I paid more attention to the mockup after changes were made, instead of after the discussion was centered solely on the custom colors or the winkey legend, I would have brought it up long ago!!

So when is the group buy for the 7 missing B profile bottom row keys included with other GMK sets?

Dude.

it seems odd not to include them, i personally like A profile, but as its a custom colour buy, it would have made more sense to include as much as possible first time around, as the chance of ever being able to add to it is incredibly small

that being said, its all locked in now so nothing to be done, everyone can vote with their wallet and whatnot

Exactly. There is zero chance of getting 500 separate orders for a small pack like that, but those could have been added to every set for a few dollars.

That's why I CANNOT PURCHASE this set as-is.

[bazh]

however it is interest that now I realize they actually  made a DE ANSI layout, why dont Europe keep using ANSI instead?

[heedpantsnow]

this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.

It just went from insta-buy to pass.

It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version.

Didn't know that existed. MD should update its pics with this instead. a few people on MD have already questioned the layout differences.

Thank you for your input.

Thanks for keeping up the stigma that everyone on here are pompous ****s.

You've been around long enough to know that's not true.

You've also been around long enough to know that complaining in this thread when the IC was open for so long is not going to change anything; it's just being obstinate and obstructionist.

No one is twisting your arm to buy this. We would love your support, and indeed the support of everyone else who isn't 100% satisfied with this set. We are all compromising in some way. Part of being in a community and doing stuff together. For example, I would really really love a 1.25x FN key for all my 60% boards (yes I have too many and yes I love them anyway). I won't use over 1/3 of the keys in this set. But I still support it because it's a solid piece of work, an amazing color way, it's GMK, and the guys who put this together deserve it.

If you don't want to do that, please don't stay here complaining.

[jdcarpe]

this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.

It just went from insta-buy to pass.

It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version.

Didn't know that existed. MD should update its pics with this instead. a few people on MD have already questioned the layout differences.

Thank you for your input.

Thanks for keeping up the stigma that everyone on here are pompous ****s.

You've been around long enough to know that's not true.

You've also been around long enough to know that complaining in this thread when the IC was open for so long is not going to change anything; it's just being obstinate and obstructionist.

No one is twisting your arm to buy this. We would love your support, and indeed the support of everyone else who isn't 100% satisfied with this set. We are all compromising in some way. Part of being in a community and doing stuff together. For example, I would really really love a 1.25x FN key for all my 60% boards (yes I have too many and yes I love them anyway). I won't use over 1/3 of the keys in this set. But I still support it because it's a solid piece of work, an amazing color way, it's GMK, and the guys who put this together deserve it.

If you don't want to do that, please don't stay here complaining.

If the people who are all "compromising" to get something that's kinda like what they want would simply abstain from the GB, it won't hit 500 MOQ, and we could start over and do it right. But go ahead, order away as-is!

[heedpantsnow]

this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.

It just went from insta-buy to pass.

It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version.

Didn't know that existed. MD should update its pics with this instead. a few people on MD have already questioned the layout differences.

Thank you for your input.

Thanks for keeping up the stigma that everyone on here are pompous ****s.

You've been around long enough to know that's not true.

You've also been around long enough to know that complaining in this thread when the IC was open for so long is not going to change anything; it's just being obstinate and obstructionist.

No one is twisting your arm to buy this. We would love your support, and indeed the support of everyone else who isn't 100% satisfied with this set. We are all compromising in some way. Part of being in a community and doing stuff together. For example, I would really really love a 1.25x FN key for all my 60% boards (yes I have too many and yes I love them anyway). I won't use over 1/3 of the keys in this set. But I still support it because it's a solid piece of work, an amazing color way, it's GMK, and the guys who put this together deserve it.

If you don't want to do that, please don't stay here complaining.

If the people who are all "compromising" to get something that's kinda like what they want would simply abstain from the GB, it won't hit 500 MOQ, and we could start over and do it right. But go ahead, order away as-is!

Bro, you know if we go back to IC then it's impossible to get a consensus because we are all selfish jerks (me included) at our core and nothing will ever happen.

[cjhard]

For every one person who would buy a set because it has all the required keys to fit their language, 3 others would have bailed because the price had to go up $20 more. If it were not custom colors, we could have probably afforded some extra keys because the MOQ may have only been 250, but we  require twice that, and we can't exactly risk falling short because some folks feel like an "All for One and One for All" is too expensive to them.

Happily I would chip in my part and buy a few keys I'll never use (I do this already with numpad and homing/arrow clusters) just so more people would buy in, but the point is there will be a net of fewer people buying if we had this.

Cross your fingers Uniqey is all it's hyped to be and a successful TA buy could potentially mean they add our custom colors to their catalog. Until then, this buy is for what was finalized in the IC thread, of which is posted very clearly on Massdrop.

[SpAmRaY]

this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.

It just went from insta-buy to pass.

It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version.

Didn't know that existed. MD should update its pics with this instead. a few people on MD have already questioned the layout differences.

Thank you for your input.

Thanks for keeping up the stigma that everyone on here are pompous ****s.

You've been around long enough to know that's not true.

You've also been around long enough to know that complaining in this thread when the IC was open for so long is not going to change anything; it's just being obstinate and obstructionist.

No one is twisting your arm to buy this. We would love your support, and indeed the support of everyone else who isn't 100% satisfied with this set. We are all compromising in some way. Part of being in a community and doing stuff together. For example, I would really really love a 1.25x FN key for all my 60% boards (yes I have too many and yes I love them anyway). I won't use over 1/3 of the keys in this set. But I still support it because it's a solid piece of work, an amazing color way, it's GMK, and the guys who put this together deserve it.

If you don't want to do that, please don't stay here complaining.

If the people who are all "compromising" to get something that's kinda like what they want would simply abstain from the GB, it won't hit 500 MOQ, and we could start over and do it right. But go ahead, order away as-is!

I thought someone said massdrop was buying up to 500 to resell later?

* spamray runs and hides

[jdcarpe]

I thought someone said massdrop was buying up to 500 to resell later?

* spamray runs and hides

That was speculation, and probably untrue.

[Photekq]

MOQ has already been hit - the $115 price point.

[cjhard]

MOQ has already been hit - the $115 price point.

MOQ is 500 as previously stated. If we do not hit 500, I don't believe we get our keys.

I thought someone said massdrop was buying up to 500 to resell later?

* spamray runs and hides

I can't see Massdrop dropping $500,000 in a wad of raw cash for a set of keys if We the People didn't give them that $500,000 in a wad of raw cash for the keys explicitly.

They'll more likely order a few spares "just in case" and sell them off in the Bazaar if they go unclaimed.

[whentheclouds]

No need to be rude. The A-profile bottom row and the CTRL and PRTSC legends were not even discussed in the IC thread. Believe me, had I paid more attention to the mockup after changes were made, instead of after the discussion was centered solely on the custom colors or the winkey legend, I would have brought it up long ago!!

i don't know about you but i noticed both those changes since they were implemented into the mockup at the end of January. i even asked intelli about the A profile keys since i didn't know what they are and how they would fit on a WKL 75% board

[jdcarpe]

No need to be rude. The A-profile bottom row and the CTRL and PRTSC legends were not even discussed in the IC thread. Believe me, had I paid more attention to the mockup after changes were made, instead of after the discussion was centered solely on the custom colors or the winkey legend, I would have brought it up long ago!!

i don't know about you but i noticed both those changes since they were implemented into the mockup at the end of January. i even asked intelli about the A profile keys since i didn't know what they are and how they would fit on a WKL 75% board

No I didn't notice them at all, and if I had, I would have brought it up then. It makes me sad that this will probably go forward with those imperfections. Probably another option will come along later, though.

[Photekq]

MOQ is 500 as previously stated. If we do not hit 500, I don't believe we get our keys.

MOQ from GMK is 500. We are not ordering from GMK. We are ordering from Massdrop.

I don't have confirmation, but I do not think Massdrop would add a pricepoint for x amount of orders if more orders than that are required for a successful buy. That would be quite silly on their part.

[cjhard]

MOQ is 500 as previously stated. If we do not hit 500, I don't believe we get our keys.

MOQ from GMK is 500. We are not ordering from GMK. We are ordering from Massdrop.

I don't have confirmation, but I do not think Massdrop would add a pricepoint for x amount of orders if more orders than that are required for a successful buy. That would be quite silly on their part.

I get where you're coming from, but check on page 1:

Did Massdrop somehow get the MOQ lowered? I thought it was going to be 500 but on the MD page it's 125.
Is that a misprint?

Just the way their system works, we do need 500

[Jixr]

this sucks. I was really hoping that it would be an exact copy, with the qwertz layout instead of the modern one.

It just went from insta-buy to pass.

It's still an exact copy. You just haven't seen the ANSI version.

Didn't know that existed. MD should update its pics with this instead. a few people on MD have already questioned the layout differences.

Thank you for your input.

Thanks for keeping up the stigma that everyone on here are pompous ****s.

No one is twisting your arm to buy this. We would love your support, and indeed the support of everyone else who isn't 100% satisfied with this set. We are all compromising in some way. Part of being in a community and doing stuff together.

If you don't want to do that, please don't stay here complaining.

I don't generally dabble in the IC thread too often, ( it scares my wallet ) but mainly on MD its a bit confusing to post the OG triumph layout and lots of people outside of GH are confused by the confliction. And sorry, while some people may be okay with compromise, I'm not going to drop money on stuff that I'm not 100% happy with. While I don't use the QWERTZ layout, I do like the appearance of the layout, and which is why i'm in a buy that has a layout like that. I was a bit disappointed because I've known of the triumph set, but was unaware of the IC or that there was an ANSI version of the keyboard. Just because people are not as familiar with the progress of the buy is as you are does not mean you should jump on them.
Just because the set isn't for me, does not mean i'm claiming the buy is crap just because its not exactly how I want it.

[Photekq]

I get where you're coming from, but check on page 1:

Ah right, thanks.

Silly Massdrop.

[intelli78]

Oh absolutely, these are all valid concerns to bring up in the IC phase of the buy, no doubt about that.  And heck, I agree with many of the complaints being mentioned in this thread.  But the fact of the matter is that there will absolutely not be any more changes, so what's the point?  At this point it's bordering on threadcrapping.  Either buy it or don't, it's your choice, but there's nothing to be gained from complaining.

Absolutely. This.

I was completely transparent about EVERYTHING during the IC. If you didn't notice legends, A-profile keys, or anything else, that's on you. It was all in the render and explained verbatim in the IC OP for months. Somebody said it's "different than we thought it would be." Not true, it's all there, in exhaustive detail. Go look. I assumed there was no debate because everyone was fine with it.

There will be no further changes, and whining isn't going to change anything now.

JD:

Whether "intentional" or not, you have been one of the biggest detractors of this effort since the beginning. I'm not just talking about being critical, which is fine and good. I'm talking about being toxic. You've never had a positive word to say. At first you just told me to give up because it was impossible. Now, after six months of IC have passed and the set is a reality, you are stirring up discontent here and in the Massdrop comments, even after I compromised on the winkey specifically for you and others because that was apparently the "make or break" issue.

Listen...the ship has sailed. I am so disappointed in you for not showing some leadership. You have seen enough GBs to understand that pleasing everyone is impossible, you included. You can't let the little things ruin the big picture; it's one set for 500-1000 different sets of preferences. Not everyone gets what they want.

Want to know something? I didn't even want to use A-profile keys at all. I argued against it and only conceded eventually because Photekq wanted it and he helped me so much. (And that is in no way an invitation to flame him, I am 100% behind him.) If I can get over it, and the winkey, and a handful of other things, so can you.

Here's the bottom line: this isn't the set for you. Don't buy it. Just don't mess up this thread, and especially don't mess up the Massdrop comments. I would never in a million years do this to you with one of your projects and I I think you know that. Please return the courtesy.

Same goes to everyone else who has a dealbreaker and feels the need to shout about it. I'm very sorry. But the decisions have been made. We aren't going back now; we can't. Time to move on.

[motherbrain]

MJ eating popcorn.  aka bad joke.

[intelli78]

If you have any respect for me and the work it took to create this set, please do not turn this into a popcorn thread. And the above post is not personal attack on JD or anyone else. It's strictly about the comments being posted. I absolutely hate squabbling and it makes me sick that I even had to make my last post. I try to treat everyone on this forum with professionalism and respect. I am asking for the same in return, and a little bit of COMPROMISE, which is sorely lacking here.

[Jixr]

intelli its not your job to respond to everyone who has a question or a complaint. The buy is already live, its already tipped, and if the pace continues its going to be a pretty successful buy.

[dimmu]

Oh absolutely, these are all valid concerns to bring up in the IC phase of the buy, no doubt about that.  And heck, I agree with many of the complaints being mentioned in this thread.  But the fact of the matter is that there will absolutely not be any more changes, so what's the point?  At this point it's bordering on threadcrapping.  Either buy it or don't, it's your choice, but there's nothing to be gained from complaining.

Absolutely. This.

I was completely transparent about EVERYTHING during the IC. If you didn't notice legends, A-profile keys, or anything else, that's on you. It was all in the render and explained verbatim in the IC OP for months. Somebody said it's "different than we thought it would be." Not true, it's all there, in exhaustive detail. Go look. I assumed there was no debate because everyone was fine with it.

There will be no further changes, and whining isn't going to change anything now.

JD:

Whether "intentional" or not, you have been one of the biggest detractors of this effort since the beginning. I'm not just talking about being critical, which is fine and good. I'm talking about being toxic. You've never had a positive word to say. At first you just told me to give up because it was impossible. Now, after six months of IC have passed and the set is a reality, you are stirring up discontent here and in the Massdrop comments, even after I compromised on the winkey specifically for you and others because that was apparently the "make or break" issue.

Listen...the ship has sailed. I am so disappointed in you for not showing some leadership. You have seen enough GBs to understand that pleasing everyone is impossible, you included. You can't let the little things ruin the big picture; it's one set for 500-1000 different sets of preferences. Not everyone gets what they want.

Want to know something? I didn't even want to use A-profile keys at all. I argued against it and only conceded eventually because Photekq wanted it and he helped me so much. (And that is in no way an invitation to flame him, I am 100% behind him.) If I can get over it, and the winkey, and a handful of other things, so can you.

Here's the bottom line: this isn't the set for you. Don't buy it. Just don't mess up this thread, and especially don't mess up the Massdrop comments. I would never in a million years do this to you with one of your projects and I I think you know that. Please return the courtesy.

Same goes to everyone else who has a dealbreaker and feels the need to shout about it. I'm very sorry. But the decisions have been made. We aren't going back now; we can't. Time to move on.

well said. jd is starting to resemble that "final" boss that keeps making cameos on sequels. he was one of the first ones to outright say that this can't be done and yet here he is again saying he won't buy the set just because a few keys did not go his way even after half a year's worth of discussion. i don't understand what his goal is at this point.

[intelli78]

intelli its not your job to respond to everyone who has a question or a complaint. The buy is already live, its already tipped, and if the pace continues its going to be a pretty successful buy.

Thanks  I really want it to be a great thing for everyone, and to open doors for many new awesome GBs. I know it's not perfect, nothing is. But what's done is done, and just like you said, at this point let's enjoy what we do have and make this a success.