what I think of you

[bigpook]

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/2760/1234385828419xd8.jpg

[cmr]

hahahahaahahhaha

[bhtooefr]

We could add other platforms to that, too, of course.

[lam47]

I have to ask bigpook. What is that handsome creature in your avatar?
He's a keeper for sure.

[bigpook]

I was looking for a 3 toed sloth. I think the one in the picture is a 2 toed sloth. The picture about sums up my attitude lately : ) Mostly in the sloth-like way.

I notice now, that my avatar has eyes of a demon. I need to read up on sloths. I am under the impression that they are slow moving and somewhat docile. Kind of like me ; ) My avatar looks a bit chapped at the moment. I need to find a more laid back pic.

[bigpook]

I see the image has been taken down. I should have saved it.

[cmr]

here you go

[bigpook]

So do the Mac guys really look at Linux like its some beige 386?

[dw_junon]

http://www.cs.cuw.edu/museum/Vectra286.html

[cmr]

i just noticed that the copy i found had been edited to remove the 4chan-speak

[bigpook]

http://www.cs.cuw.edu/museum/Vectra286.html

All that for $2500.

[bhtooefr]

Holy page-breaking.

[bigpook]

So do the Mac guys really look at Linux like its some beige 386?

Not much interest on this? k, was just curious. I realize the pictures are stereotypes but like anything else there is some shred of truth to go with.
Being a linux user first and windows user only when forced to and having never actually used a mac my impressions are certainly not balanced.

When I think of Mac, for what ever reason, I think of multi-media. I don't really think of linux or windows when it comes to multi-media, at least high-end anyways. I also think shiny and expensive.

When I think of linux ( and I do use it everyday ) I see something akin to an erector set with some nice snap-on pieces. KDE and Gnome have come along way( thats the shiny snap-on pieces) but there is a whole world of learning/pain that awaits at the command prompt. Speaking of command prompt, any ruby guru's here?

When I think of windows, I get ill. I resent having to use it and use it at work only because the applications I use only run on windows. I started out using win 3.0. So I go back a little bit. I remember blue screens and virus's.

Not trying to start a flame war, just thinking out loud.

[bhtooefr]

I use all three OSes at least once a week... and (usually) both Windows and Linux daily. Well, sorta. I only use irssi on the Linux box. (And usually only iTunes on the Mac.)

But, I've used all three OSes as my daily use, main computer OS.

I prefer USING OS X - it "just works" - but I use Windows as my main OS. Why? Because it almost "just works," and OS X on my ThinkPad doesn't "just work." And, Linux... it's made quite a few strides in that department, but... I've never had a Linux desktop "just work" in the long term. Eventually, I'll want to install some app that isn't in that distro's package repository, and even though all of its prerequisites are fulfilled, it won't build, no matter what I do. Or, I'll want to do something that the distro doesn't support, and all the HOWTOs I can find error in ways that it shouldn't. (I recall having major issues using a shared printer with Samba on SuSE 8.2... eventually, I found a HOWTO for a really old version of Debian that worked - but the HOWTOs for SuSE, RedHat, Mandrake, etc., etc. didn't even begin to work.) That said, I have found that the distros that I've had the best luck with are always the distros that are the distro du jour - so, right now, that's Ubuntu. Both because, people are targeting packages for it, and people are writing multiple HOWTOs for it. But, still, I've run into frustrating dead ends.

The odd thing is, with lots of open source software, I run into these dead ends - inaccurate HOWTOs I think is a lot of it. I've even run into some of those dead ends on OS X, with various OSS software. (Not that much on Windows, though.) And, no, I'm not compiling from CVS, or running nightly builds.

[wumpyr]

I don't use anything but linux anymore, I've contained windows to a virtualbox for times when an app must have windows and can't be run under crossover/wine.  I've used mac a while back during my early education, in the days of System 6/7 with anything from a mac classic, LCII or IIci.  On the PC side, I've used everything from DOS 3.3 and beyond.

these are my rants:

when I think about windows I also think:

"death any time, any where, without prior warning"
"pay for what? are you kidding?"
"insecure, exposed and easily hacked"
"driver nightmare"
"fight to the death to do things my way"
"upgrade....oh no"
"don't waste my time"

Mac:

"mac gives you one way to do almost everything, if you don't like it, tough"
"nice and shiny, but is it practical? - as an example, where is the laptop docking station? oh, i don't need one you say? ok then! how about swapping batteries while on a long haul flight in economy? no? ok then! I'll just sit and do nothing for over 10 hours...and I have to carry around this DVI dongle just to plug into a LCD VGA projector? are you joking?" (these examples are just a couple of my many daily or regular requirements with a laptop and why a mac just doesn't cut it).
and of course "the photoshop myth - oh it runs better on mac"

Linux:

"a tree of libraries, if you break too much, watch it come crashing down"
"not for first timers"
"if apple can create a sexy gui and front a unix backend, why can't you?"
"sometimes you need to search the whole solar system to find your answer, well, no guarantees there either"
"^%$#$& video drivers!"

[dw_junon]

The $2500 remark reminded me of the following advert I found on Usenet when researching the IBM 7531 (which itself was listed at over $6000...)

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/mod.computers.ibm-pc/browse_thread/thread/4675cd5ac83c009b?hl=en

I don't know any Mac guys.  Used Protools on OS9 for a bit somewhere; I really can't recall anything specific about the OS but I remember thinking that a bit more admin care could have been nice, though as a lowly user everything "just worked".

I still have an ancient Windows on this box until I have enough spare for a nice mini-itx box (likely with xubuntu) to replace it, but it still just about serves my needs for the moment.

The only real problem I've had linux-wise has been the pretty fundamental hurdle of hardware compatibility; I suppose it's true that "legacy" (ugh, what a term) hardware is likely to have better support, though I doubt that most modern distros would get on too well with that adorable Vectra.

So, er...  I don't feel I'm a zealot in any particular direction; I'm not averse to any particular platform, though admittedly I am financially restricted in this respect.

[bhtooefr]

You know, the thing about DVI is... it would make SO much more sense if VGA were abandoned. While, yes, it is annoying to carry a dongle to get VGA (and I have no idea where my iBook's VGA dongle is,) this is 2009... it's a damn shame that the PROJECTORS don't have DVI.

The ONLY displays that have any technical reason to use VGA are CRTs, and even those could benefit from DVI.

[D-EJ915]

when I think of mac, this is what I think of: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bomb_(symbol)  which happened seemingly all the time on the LCs I used back in the day.  Though I have to say I did use some better-than-LCs before the LCs and they were much, much better lol.  Anyway up until using a mac I'd never had a computer crash.

bhtooefr: while using a digital signal over the cable does have benefits, the added costs make it stupid for something tethered so closely to the source for something that is natively analog.

[bhtooefr]

But the fully digital signal path is in theory cheaper to implement.

Right now, here's what happens in everything but a CRT:

Digital data in the graphics card
Goes through a RAMDAC (digital to analog conversion)
Analog signal goes to display device
Goes through an ADC (analog to digital conversion)
Content is displayed on display (digital to analog conversion)

Compare to DVI.

Digital data in the graphics card
Digital signal goes to display device
Content is displayed on display (digital to analog conversion)

The only reason why DVI isn't cheaper is because VGA is too widespread. It makes absolutely no sense for a DAC and an ADC to be cheaper than no DAC and no ADC. Damn vicious cycles.

[wumpyr]

...and then I learn of the newish DisplayPort connector and then apple's mini DisplayPort.  Can the world agree on one graphics connector! Ti prego!

[bhtooefr]

There is that issue. Although, IIRC, Mini-DVI wasn't ever a standard, and was Apple proprietary.

So is Mini DisplayPort, but Apple is licensing it at no charge, and it'll eventually be part of the DisplayPort standard. And, MDP can drive a monitor that would need dual-link DVI (something that Mini-DVI couldn't do.)

[iMav]

There is that issue. Although, IIRC, Mini-DVI wasn't ever a standard, and was Apple proprietary.

So is Mini DisplayPort, but Apple is licensing it at no charge, and it'll eventually be part of the DisplayPort standard. And, MDP can drive a monitor that would need dual-link DVI (something that Mini-DVI couldn't do.)

I love the fact that the Macbooks (non-Pro) can now drive displays requiring dual-link DVI.  Shouldn't have ditched my 30" display when I passed on my MBP to the wife.  

Waiting for the iMac's to go with the MDP.  A 24" iMac paired with a 30" would be SWEET.  

I am a LONG time linux user who has avoided the nasty on my personal PC's.  I do occasionally run it in a VM for testing and work...and my work laptop is required to run it.  I added Mac to my life when the Mac mini was first released.  I had ZERO desire to even look at Mac when it was sans command line.  I took notice when the UNIX-based OS X was released.  And then when the affordable G4 Mac mini's came out, I had no reason not to give it a shot.  We've been a multiple Mac family ever since. (with several linux systems around as well)

Being in the IT security business, I have to acknowledge that the existence of the nasty fuels my industry and allows me to make the living that I do.  Of course, if another platform had more marketshare, it would be the cybercriminals' whipping boy...but today, that honor goes to Windows.

[cmr]

i'll never understand why they abandoned the powerbook/ibook names.

it's not like "powerbook" was some kind of reference to the CPU; it was called the powerbook back when it shipped with a motorola 68k.

[itlnstln]

I'm just glad it's not another i* name like iTop or something.

[zwmalone]

i'll never understand why they abandoned the powerbook/ibook names.

it's not like "powerbook" was some kind of reference to the CPU; it was called the powerbook back when it shipped with a motorola 68k.

Steve Jobs wanted every Mac to have "Mac" in the name, so every mac was revamped...  I still prefer the name PowerMac to Mac Pro though...

[iMav]

I'm just glad it's not another i* name like iTop or something.

Uhhh, what's wrong with i* names?  

[D-EJ915]

Uhhh, what's wrong with i* names?  

the question should rather be is there anything good about them? lol.  I've never been a fan of the 'E' and 'I' naming schemes companies have come up with, they sound and look stupid especially now how overused and drawn out they are.  I mean seriously, it's been 10 years, come up with something new.

[FKSSR]

Awww, I missed the first picture, but that one about Linux, OS X, and Windows is awesome!  

I have to say that while I like Ubuntu, I'm just a "Windows guy."  I've been using windows since I was a kid (I'm 27 now), and I've seen all the crap, but I just know the system.  Macs do seem like toys to me, and I never wanted to spend the time learning Linux (particularly how to run my games and some other apps in it such as Pro Tools).

There's enough space for all the OS's, though, and I'm all in favor of Linux getting bigger, especially to push MS to work harder on their stuff.

[cmr]

the linux/osx/windows pic is just a repost of the first one, which got deleted from photobucket