Star Wars: The Last Jedi ***SPOILERS WELCOME***

[romevi]

Let's talk about it with full-on spoilers.

Saw it last night. Loved it. Apparently a third of the internet hates it, but I don't care. I mean, I did when I walked out of the theater and went online to read reviews and was totally taken aback and how much hate it's gotten. But otherwise I thought it was fantastic and one of my top three favorites already.

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[noisyturtle]

I am really hoping it is better than Force Awakens, but going in with no real expectations.

[romevi]

but going in with no real expectations.

That's how I went in. Zero expectations; zero fan theories. Love 90% of it.

[ArchDill]

I do not think that snoke is dead...

[Findecanor]

I have been following the forums, some of which have polls set up. Right now the scores seem to be very evenly distributed between people who love it, people who hate it and people who think it is "just OK".

It has got high scores on Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic ... but both of these have miscategorised several bad reviews as being positive, so you can't trust those sites. And you really have to read each review to tell what kind of perspective that the reviewer had - and if you do you risk getting spoiled.

Personally, I chose not to see the movie despite having been able to go to the gala premiere a day early like I had done for TFA.
I had already decided after watching TFA that I did not agree what Lucasfilm had done to the Star Wars universe and the direction they had taken with these movies. I prefer the timeline of the books and video games that had been released in the thirty years before -- which Disney/Lucasfilm has totally scrapped in favour of a completely different storyline. In the books Luke, Han and Leia did not totally fail, the Jedi order is renewed and not extinct, and there are several characters that all hardcore Star Wars fans know and love.

[noisyturtle]

I do not think that snoke is dead...

I really REALLY want his reveal to be he's a short-ass muppet like Yoda but super powerful.

[Corgi Butts]

I do not think that snoke is dead...

He served his purpose and is gone.  No need to cry over spilled Snoke.

Bullet point review:

* Didn't care for the Space Leia bit.  I know she's force sensitive but come the **** on, it's deep space.
* WTF killing Akbar like that?  Should have let him live, made him commander, and let him go down in glory kamikaze style instead of Laura Dern's purple haired random character.
* Boob creature with crazy milk chin Luke was top WTF moment. 
* Island Luke was a little to emo whiny for my taste, blah blah suck it up, you are a damn Jedi, act like it! 
* Rey and Kylo - every scene was ****ing amazing.  Holy **** that co-op finisher in Snoke's chamber gave me an erection.
* Finn and Rose - uh, why not Finn and Poe, bros 4 life?  Poe served no purpose being on the cruiser, should have snuck off with Finn for shenannigans w/ BB-8.
* Code breaker/casino/failed sabatoge mission - 30 minutes of filler the movie didn't need, but at the same time it was refreshing to see that sometimes these off the cuff heroic plans to foil the bad guys just plain fail.
* Luke and Kylo - HHHNNNNNGGGGGG...ok I'm spent get me some new pants.  ****ing brilliant from start to finish.  So many clues as to what's really going on once you know to look for them.
* Hux - shut the **** up *SLAM*
* Phasma - she and Boba Fett need to start a club for bad guys that could have been so much more.  Such a cool character, but end the end she really served no purpose other than to personify Finn's fear of the First Order and his desire to break away from it.  Lame ass death, deserved better.
* Porgs - Chewie should have eaten the damn thing. 
* Yoda - ****ing around, cracking jokes, enjoying the afterlife, and back to the puppet that we all know and love.  Excellent scene.
* Hyperspace kamikaze - ok, so something about that just bothers me.  Like, most hyper-drive systems would probably have collision avoidance built into their systems so you wouldn't smash into **** while blasting your way thru space at ludicrous speed.  And overriding that wouldn't be something as trivial as just point and shoot you ship from the command chair.  And if it's that easy why are they building slow plodding bombers that get picked off by stray tie fighter blasts when they could be building ships loaded with bombs that they simply aim at a Destroyer and rip it a new one at lightspeed?  Anyway, the scene was ****ing gorgeous, and you could hear a pin drop in the theater as everyone held their breath in the silence.

[tp4tissue]

i saw the last one, where they all die at the end..  thought that one was a good movie..

[noisyturtle]

It was OK, not great. Better than FA though, I thought. The special effects were incredible maybe the best I've ever seen in a film. The plot was scattered and felt both rushed and laden with filler at the same time with less important scenes of impact. There were a few twists I didn't see coming which were appreciated.
I'd say 6.5/10

[romevi]

It was OK, not great. Better than FA though, I thought. The special effects were incredible maybe the best I've ever seen in a film. The plot was scattered and felt both rushed and laden with filler at the same time with less important scenes of impact. There were a few twists I didn't see coming which were appreciated.
I'd say 6.5/10

I'm still blown away by Snoke, both in terms of his appearance and fate. He's got to be the most realistic CGI character I've ever seen; he looked real. I even had to lean to my wife, who I knew didn't appreciate the amount of care behind making him seem real, and still said, "He looks real!"

[noisyturtle]

He's got to be the most realistic CGI character I've ever seen

Leia's CGI was maybe the best character CGI I've ever seen. I was in the 2nd row(not by choice) and couldn't even tell when she was CG and when she was real.

[HoffmanMyster]

Bullet point review:

* Didn't care for the Space Leia bit.  I know she's force sensitive but come the **** on, it's deep space.
* WTF killing Akbar like that?  Should have let him live, made him commander, and let him go down in glory kamikaze style instead of Laura Dern's purple haired random character.
* Boob creature with crazy milk chin Luke was top WTF moment. 
* Island Luke was a little to emo whiny for my taste, blah blah suck it up, you are a damn Jedi, act like it! 
* Rey and Kylo - every scene was ****ing amazing.  Holy **** that co-op finisher in Snoke's chamber gave me an erection.
* Finn and Rose - uh, why not Finn and Poe, bros 4 life?  Poe served no purpose being on the cruiser, should have snuck off with Finn for shenannigans w/ BB-8.
* Code breaker/casino/failed sabatoge mission - 30 minutes of filler the movie didn't need, but at the same time it was refreshing to see that sometimes these off the cuff heroic plans to foil the bad guys just plain fail.
* Luke and Kylo - HHHNNNNNGGGGGG...ok I'm spent get me some new pants.  ****ing brilliant from start to finish.  So many clues as to what's really going on once you know to look for them.
* Hux - shut the **** up *SLAM*
* Phasma - she and Boba Fett need to start a club for bad guys that could have been so much more.  Such a cool character, but end the end she really served no purpose other than to personify Finn's fear of the First Order and his desire to break away from it.  Lame ass death, deserved better.
* Porgs - Chewie should have eaten the damn thing. 
* Yoda - ****ing around, cracking jokes, enjoying the afterlife, and back to the puppet that we all know and love.  Excellent scene.
* Hyperspace kamikaze - ok, so something about that just bothers me.  Like, most hyper-drive systems would probably have collision avoidance built into their systems so you wouldn't smash into **** while blasting your way thru space at ludicrous speed.  And overriding that wouldn't be something as trivial as just point and shoot you ship from the command chair.  And if it's that easy why are they building slow plodding bombers that get picked off by stray tie fighter blasts when they could be building ships loaded with bombs that they simply aim at a Destroyer and rip it a new one at lightspeed?  Anyway, the scene was ****ing gorgeous, and you could hear a pin drop in the theater as everyone held their breath in the silence.

I'm in agreement with pretty much all of this (seems to be the main consensus on reddit as well from what I was reading last week). 

I will say though, reading a lot of negative thoughts on the movie kind of tainted my view of it at first.  I saw it a second time this past weekend and really enjoyed it, quite a bit more than the first time.  Sure there are a couple frustrating plot points, but it is a fun movie. 

That said, it is a little strange to me that these new films don't appear to have a single cohesive story writing team.  Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like there are some plot points that develop in one film that are just ignored in the next by the new screenwriter/director. 

[dubious]

Bullet point review:

* Didn't care for the Space Leia bit.  I know she's force sensitive but come the **** on, it's deep space.
* WTF killing Akbar like that?  Should have let him live, made him commander, and let him go down in glory kamikaze style instead of Laura Dern's purple haired random character.
* Boob creature with crazy milk chin Luke was top WTF moment. 
* Island Luke was a little to emo whiny for my taste, blah blah suck it up, you are a damn Jedi, act like it! 
* Rey and Kylo - every scene was ****ing amazing.  Holy **** that co-op finisher in Snoke's chamber gave me an erection.
* Finn and Rose - uh, why not Finn and Poe, bros 4 life?  Poe served no purpose being on the cruiser, should have snuck off with Finn for shenannigans w/ BB-8.
* Code breaker/casino/failed sabatoge mission - 30 minutes of filler the movie didn't need, but at the same time it was refreshing to see that sometimes these off the cuff heroic plans to foil the bad guys just plain fail.
* Luke and Kylo - HHHNNNNNGGGGGG...ok I'm spent get me some new pants.  ****ing brilliant from start to finish.  So many clues as to what's really going on once you know to look for them.
* Hux - shut the **** up *SLAM*
* Phasma - she and Boba Fett need to start a club for bad guys that could have been so much more.  Such a cool character, but end the end she really served no purpose other than to personify Finn's fear of the First Order and his desire to break away from it.  Lame ass death, deserved better.
* Porgs - Chewie should have eaten the damn thing. 
* Yoda - ****ing around, cracking jokes, enjoying the afterlife, and back to the puppet that we all know and love.  Excellent scene.
* Hyperspace kamikaze - ok, so something about that just bothers me.  Like, most hyper-drive systems would probably have collision avoidance built into their systems so you wouldn't smash into **** while blasting your way thru space at ludicrous speed.  And overriding that wouldn't be something as trivial as just point and shoot you ship from the command chair.  And if it's that easy why are they building slow plodding bombers that get picked off by stray tie fighter blasts when they could be building ships loaded with bombs that they simply aim at a Destroyer and rip it a new one at lightspeed?  Anyway, the scene was ****ing gorgeous, and you could hear a pin drop in the theater as everyone held their breath in the silence.

I'm in agreement with pretty much all of this (seems to be the main consensus on reddit as well from what I was reading last week). 

I will say though, reading a lot of negative thoughts on the movie kind of tainted my view of it at first.  I saw it a second time this past weekend and really enjoyed it, quite a bit more than the first time.  Sure there are a couple frustrating plot points, but it is a fun movie. 

That said, it is a little strange to me that these new films don't appear to have a single cohesive story writing team.  Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like there are some plot points that develop in one film that are just ignored in the next by the new screenwriter/director.

This sums up my experience pretty well. I enjoyed it more the second time, but overall it's clunky storyline, wtf moments, and the obvious corporate influence spoiled it for me. 

[audax989]

I don't think would really have the guts to kill ben.

also finn and rose... plssss this subplot just kills the pacing of the whole movie.

[Glod]

I am really conflicted about this movie. There were parts I really loved, but damn there was some (understatement) stupid heavy handed garbage robbing us of more time with Rey/Luke/Kylo. planning a second viewing this weekend.

[chuckdee]

Loved it.  The Gambling world could have been cut without much of an effect- other than losing Benicio del Toro.  I love his characterizations, and this was no exception.  I did dislike the beginning for Finn coming back awake truth be told, and though his fight with Phasma redeemed him a bit, it wasn't quite enough for Finn nor Phasma.  And that Rose thing came out of left field.  I do like Finn and Poe as just buddies.

And unlike most of the internet, I do like the fact that they are starting over.  People don't get that the extended universe is done and gone, so are characterizing based on their characters in a dead universe that had its own problems.  This was a good way to start over.

[romevi]

The only thing I didn't like was Luke's interaction with Ren, meaning what forced Ren to go off the deep end. Even if it was just a fleeting moment for him, Luke doesn't seem like someone who easily would've gone for his lightsaber after a few minutes of mind-reading. We don't know yet what Ren will do in the next Episode, but so far it seems a bit stretched for Luke to grab his laser sword and then later on flee after failing him. Sure, Obi-wan and Yoda leave, but not for as long or as isolate as Luke did.

Otherwise, I loved the film. Loved the Snoke part, loved Hamill's performance, loved the Leia space scene, loved the casino bit. I'm still a bit unnerved that Disney wants to start over fresh (i.e., wants to focus on the universe rather than the Skywalkers so they can make $tar War$ films ad nauseam), but it seems a bit harsh with how they're going about it, at least to me. Sure, Star Wars always was about the money and merchandising, but at least give the Skywalkers a bit more dignity with their way out; it started with them, after all, and it wouldn't really feel like Star Wars without them.

[chuckdee]

The only thing I didn't like was Luke's interaction with Ren, meaning what forced Ren to go off the deep end. Even if it was just a fleeting moment for him, Luke doesn't seem like someone who easily would've gone for his lightsaber after a few minutes of mind-reading. We don't know yet what Ren will do in the next Episode, but so far it seems a bit stretched for Luke to grab his laser sword and then later on flee after failing him. Sure, Obi-wan and Yoda leave, but not for as long or as isolate as Luke did.

Otherwise, I loved the film. Loved the Snoke part, loved Hamill's performance, loved the Leia space scene, loved the casino bit. I'm still a bit unnerved that Disney wants to start over fresh (i.e., wants to focus on the universe rather than the Skywalkers so they can make $tar War$ films ad nauseam), but it seems a bit harsh with how they're going about it, at least to me. Sure, Star Wars always was about the money and merchandising, but at least give the Skywalkers a bit more dignity with their way out; it started with them, after all, and it wouldn't really feel like Star Wars without them.

My big problem with the Leia space scene was that they didn't plausibly explain it.  People are assuming the force, but show, don't tell.  She hadn't been practicing from what they showed in the films.  My big problem with Luke wasn't what happened.  It was in the fact that he lied.  And my big problem with the casino scene wasn't that it existed... but that it was pointless, and added nothing to the narrative.

[ygor]

[microsoft windows]

NOBODY WATCHES STAR WARS ANYMORE

[Computer-Lab in Basement]

I personally thought the story line to 7 was better than 8, but overall I enjoyed both.

Rouge One I think was better than both 7 and 8.

[xtrafrood]

Less Porg and more Krayt dragons please.

[Findecanor]

Heh. The crystal planet in TLJ was called Crait, but it was not the home of the Krayt Dragons. Lucasfilm chose to repurpose an old name without checking first. :-þ

[Shapey Fiend]

I fell asleep in the cinema during Rogue One which I put down to tiredness but it happened with Last Jedi this year as well. This isn't something that I do every time I go to the cinema never happened to me before. The thing that stands out to me is how flat the performances are I really don't like these new actors. Even Domhnall Gleeson who's generally quite good isn't really making much of an impression. The're all acting more wooden than Hayden Christensen.

[Halverson]

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[xtrafrood]

We all saw the Kryat dragon skeleton years ago. Moar Kryat dragons please.

[sncbraxsc2]

He served his purpose and is gone.  No need to cry over spilled Snoke.

Bullet point review:

* Didn't care for the Space Leia bit.  I know she's force sensitive but come the **** on, it's deep space.
* WTF killing Akbar like that?  Should have let him live, made him commander, and let him go down in glory kamikaze style instead of Laura Dern's purple haired random character.
* Boob creature with crazy milk chin Luke was top WTF moment. 
* Island Luke was a little to emo whiny for my taste, blah blah suck it up, you are a damn Jedi, act like it! 
* Rey and Kylo - every scene was ****ing amazing.  Holy **** that co-op finisher in Snoke's chamber gave me an erection.
* Finn and Rose - uh, why not Finn and Poe, bros 4 life?  Poe served no purpose being on the cruiser, should have snuck off with Finn for shenannigans w/ BB-8.
* Code breaker/casino/failed sabatoge mission - 30 minutes of filler the movie didn't need, but at the same time it was refreshing to see that sometimes these off the cuff heroic plans to foil the bad guys just plain fail.
* Luke and Kylo - HHHNNNNNGGGGGG...ok I'm spent get me some new pants.  ****ing brilliant from start to finish.  So many clues as to what's really going on once you know to look for them.
* Hux - shut the **** up *SLAM*
* Phasma - she and Boba Fett need to start a club for bad guys that could have been so much more.  Such a cool character, but end the end she really served no purpose other than to personify Finn's fear of the First Order and his desire to break away from it.  Lame ass death, deserved better.
* Porgs - Chewie should have eaten the damn thing. 
* Yoda - ****ing around, cracking jokes, enjoying the afterlife, and back to the puppet that we all know and love.  Excellent scene.
* Hyperspace kamikaze - ok, so something about that just bothers me.  Like, most hyper-drive systems would probably have collision avoidance built into their systems so you wouldn't smash into **** while blasting your way thru space at ludicrous speed.  And overriding that wouldn't be something as trivial as just point and shoot you ship from the command chair.  And if it's that easy why are they building slow plodding bombers that get picked off by stray tie fighter blasts when they could be building ships loaded with bombs that they simply aim at a Destroyer and rip it a new one at lightspeed?  Anyway, the scene was ****ing gorgeous, and you could hear a pin drop in the theater as everyone held their breath in the silence.

As a few others have said, this mostly summarizes my reactions as well. I expected it to be a little more lighthearted than I would want it to be so wasn't too disappointed by it (or the Porgs). Despite not enjoying Holdo's existence (and/or death of Ackbar) at all, the kamikaze scene was excellent and almost canonical - From A New Hope: "Traveling through hyperspace isn't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?" -Han

[Glod]

I fell asleep in the cinema during Rogue One which I put down to tiredness but it happened with Last Jedi this year as well. This isn't something that I do every time I go to the cinema never happened to me before. The thing that stands out to me is how flat the performances are I really don't like these new actors. Even Domhnall Gleeson who's generally quite good isn't really making much of an impression. The're all acting more wooden than Hayden Christensen.

The performances aren't that bad, damn. Hayden Christensen career is based on appearance on the USA/Canada kids show Goosebumps; He is terrible and to say any of the new trilogy POV actors are that bad is just ridiculous.

[ygor]

I fell asleep in the cinema during Rogue One which I put down to tiredness but it happened with Last Jedi this year as well. This isn't something that I do every time I go to the cinema never happened to me before. The thing that stands out to me is how flat the performances are I really don't like these new actors. Even Domhnall Gleeson who's generally quite good isn't really making much of an impression. The're all acting more wooden than Hayden Christensen.

The performances aren't that bad, damn. Hayden Christensen career is based on appearance on the USA/Canada kids show Goosebumps; He is terrible and to say any of the new trilogy POV actors are that bad is just ridiculous.

Oscar Isaac is at the top of the **** pile as far as Ster Werz actors go... Then prolly John Boyega, Kelly Tran and Jake Lloyd. Christensen is a close 4th though.

[Glod]

I fell asleep in the cinema during Rogue One which I put down to tiredness but it happened with Last Jedi this year as well. This isn't something that I do every time I go to the cinema never happened to me before. The thing that stands out to me is how flat the performances are I really don't like these new actors. Even Domhnall Gleeson who's generally quite good isn't really making much of an impression. The're all acting more wooden than Hayden Christensen.

The performances aren't that bad, damn. Hayden Christensen career is based on appearance on the USA/Canada kids show Goosebumps; He is terrible and to say any of the new trilogy POV actors are that bad is just ridiculous.

Oscar Isaac is at the top of the **** pile as far as Ster Werz actors go... Then prolly John Boyega, Kelly Tran and Jake Lloyd. Christensen is a close 4th though.

Is this some kind of bizarre other dimension, I re-watched Ep1-7 before seeing 8 and Nothing is worse than Jake Lloyd and Christensen, NOTHING. The performances are modeled off of what I assume are sexual predators and serial killers. I think you are confusing dialogue vs performances.

I keep seeing this "Ep 8 is the worst movie ever, worst actors ever, worst movie of SW, worst movie of 2017, worst year ever" And it is absolute abuse of the word "worst"; you guys know damn well this is worse stuff out there for SW and 2017

[ygor]

I fell asleep in the cinema during Rogue One which I put down to tiredness but it happened with Last Jedi this year as well. This isn't something that I do every time I go to the cinema never happened to me before. The thing that stands out to me is how flat the performances are I really don't like these new actors. Even Domhnall Gleeson who's generally quite good isn't really making much of an impression. The're all acting more wooden than Hayden Christensen.

The performances aren't that bad, damn. Hayden Christensen career is based on appearance on the USA/Canada kids show Goosebumps; He is terrible and to say any of the new trilogy POV actors are that bad is just ridiculous.

Oscar Isaac is at the top of the **** pile as far as Ster Werz actors go... Then prolly John Boyega, Kelly Tran and Jake Lloyd. Christensen is a close 4th though.

Is this some kind of bizarre other dimension, I re-watched Ep1-7 before seeing 8 and Nothing is worse than Jake Lloyd and Christensen, NOTHING. The performances are modeled off of what I assume are sexual predators and serial killers. I think you are confusing dialogue vs performances.

I keep seeing this "Ep 8 is the worst movie ever, worst actors ever, worst movie of SW, worst movie of 2017, worst year ever" And it is absolute abuse of the word "worst"; you guys know damn well this is worse stuff out there for SW and 2017

My bad. I forgot Laura Dern (though she was the bomb in Wild at Heart, yo). She's prolly tied in that list with Lloyd. All the actors in Ep 8 whose sole task it was to brood did an okay job, and I'm not mad at Daisy Ridley's performance. No mistake for me about Oscar Isaac being at the top of the **** list though. Dude is beyond awful.

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[_haru]

I pretty much loved it. Didn't really like the Finn and Rose subplot much though.

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[Otesanek]

I liked it, probably more than Force Awakens.....

[Leslieann]

It was good, I can even deal with the whole casino thing... the worst element of it all... Space Leia..
Honestly, especially knowing Carrie Fisher died, they had time to make changes for the release, I think they should have let her die then and there. Shocking, yes, but it would have probably made the film better and allow for better continuity. Though I admit, killing her and Akbar would be a bit much but at the same time bad things happen in war. Would it have made you mad? Of course... But the most memorable movies are rarely the ones that left you feeling completely happy at the end.

I'm also a bit conflicted about BB8e, not everything needs an evil counterpart. Admittedly, I may be tainted here as I kind of hate BB8, not as a bot, but simply because after Force Awakens, anytime I see BB8 all I now see is Sesame Street's Elmo in droid form. R2 may not have always been a genius, but he wasn't Elmo level either. Yes, I know marketing blah blah blah... Don't care, Elmo in a droid.

[nugglets]

Really, the only thing that bothered me was how often they threw in really forced/corny dialogue. I mean, I get it, the dialogue has always had it's cheeseball moments but these felt particularly bad to me.

Other than that, it was entertaining and I didn't feel like I knew the whole story already like I did with The New Hope Awakens.

[Belfong]

I went into the movie with very low expectation. It's almost an obligatory thing I have to do, being a SW fan when younger. After being disappointed by the 3 prequels, my hopes are not high. They are not low though, because Rogue One was excellent and The Force Awakens are not too bad. So, when I saw many cringe-worthy scenes, I wasn't mad at all. I have accepted the fact that the new SW is not for me anymore. All is not bad however - I really like Kylo and Rey's co-op fight scene against Snoke's red guard. And I enjoyed the last scene at the salt planet. These two are really well done. If only they have cut away that casino stuff, the Space Leia, it would been perfect for me.

[romevi]

I need to rewatch it. Watched it only once so far.

I haven't seen the movie since last year...

[MaNiFeX]

I need to rewatch it. Watched it only once so far.

I haven't seen the movie since last year...

I rewatched.  Caught a couple cool things.  Note Skywalker's feet when dealing with Kylo. 

All in all, I enjoyed it.  There were two people I thought could have died, though: Leia and Finn.  Leia, 'cause Carrie can't act in the next film.  Finn, 'cause that would have been a bad-ass way to go and would have made a big boom. 

[Mr_BeastQuake]

I liked it well enough. The humor was pretty on point. Wasn't a huge fan of Snoke's uneventful death. What with some of the hints in the canon books, I thought he was a bigger deal. People have pointed out that the Emperor originally kind of came out of nowhere and died the next film, so I guess there's some precedence.

I was not a big fan of the, "We're running out of fuel" plot. Seemed videogameesque in plot: here's the problem, run around and gather items, solve the problem. Seemed kind of low-effort.

Felt pretty good on the whole though.

[MKULTRA]

BB8 is way too OP.

[Leslieann]

I liked it well enough. The humor was pretty on point. Wasn't a huge fan of Snoke's uneventful death. What with some of the hints in the canon books, I thought he was a bigger deal. People have pointed out that the Emperor originally kind of came out of nowhere and died the next film, so I guess there's some precedence.

Syth have a pretty high turnover rate due to their Rule of Two, there can be only two masters/lords and each can only have one apprentice, the only way to move up is to kill your master. If that were not enough, Masters are always looking for a more capable apprentice. Your only hope is to get good enough to kill your master before he finds an apprentice with more potential and without tipping him off that you are a danger to him. If you do manage to kill him, you get to go through the same dance with your own apprentice.

Kind of puts Kylo Ren's frustration into a different perspective when you figure that had he had to bring Rey to his master to prove himself worthy, but that doing so also could mean his own death should Rey decide to switch sides.

[CapCollector]

I feel more complete...
I now know where blue milk comes from.

[Findecanor]

The blue milk that Luke drank on Tatooine was from Banthas -- a large hairy mammal.
The creature on Ahch-To (bless you) is a Thala-siren.

[romevi]

I feel more complete...
I now know where blue milk comes from.

That's not blue milk; it was green milk.

[fanpeople]

Spoiler alert Jack Sparrow dies and Will steals the black pearl

[HoffmanMyster]

Syth have a pretty high turnover rate due to their Rule of Two, there can be only two masters/lords and each can only have one apprentice, the only way to move up is to kill your master. If that were not enough, Masters are always looking for a more capable apprentice. Your only hope is to get good enough to kill your master before he finds an apprentice with more potential and without tipping him off that you are a danger to him. If you do manage to kill him, you get to go through the same dance with your own apprentice.

If I were a Sith Lord, I would probably go about my galaxy-ruling conquests without a murderous sidekick, but that's just me.