Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 19 November 2019, 08:59:31
KAT
Space Cadet
formerly Smol Cadet
A 40s Discord Community Project
by tominabox1 and Alas
by tominabox1 and Alas
Inspiration
(https://i.imgur.com/vIV4DT5.jpg)
The iconic Symbolics Space Cadet keyboard.
(https://i.imgur.com/xMR2UC6.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/xMR2UC6.png)
Details
The keyset will be in the KAT profile by Keyreative. KAT keycaps are PBT plastic, sculpted for comfort and, feature sharp, reverse dyesub legends. The KAT Space Cadet colors will be color matched to an original Space Cadet keyboard.
The original concept of this set was to create a 40s only kit that would serve our weird-ass idea of a usable keyboard, but we quickly saw the opportunity to bring the amazing Space Cadet concept to a wider audience. Our kits are inspired by the KAT sets that have come before it, emphasizing a wide gamut of coverage, something Keyreative's KAT profile provides at an affordable price. We hope that you find exactly what you need in our kitting and can put together the best coverage you've ever had in a keyset in the lowest possible cost.
The original concept of this set was to create a 40s only kit that would serve our weird-ass idea of a usable keyboard, but we quickly saw the opportunity to bring the amazing Space Cadet concept to a wider audience. Our kits are inspired by the KAT sets that have come before it, emphasizing a wide gamut of coverage, something Keyreative's KAT profile provides at an affordable price. We hope that you find exactly what you need in our kitting and can put together the best coverage you've ever had in a keyset in the lowest possible cost.
Space Cadet for Everyone.
The Kits
More
Gray Alphas
(https://i.imgur.com/dfrdj4f.png)
Blue Alphas
(https://i.imgur.com/l4Q2iFP.png)
Mono Legends
(https://i.imgur.com/XEDjgrA.png)
40s Mods
(https://i.imgur.com/66OZG9A.png)
Ortho Mods
(https://i.imgur.com/SC61nCR.png)
60%+ Mods
(https://i.imgur.com/OJ1DlbS.png)
Spacebars
(https://i.imgur.com/3OeKvXe.png)
Novelties
(https://i.imgur.com/4tIW0hi.png)
Accents NEW
(https://i.imgur.com/fFyboUD.png)
Black Mods
(https://i.imgur.com/SOEvPAF.png)
Numpad
(https://i.imgur.com/ZEiT2xG.png)
Colemak, Mod DH/DHm
(https://i.imgur.com/84PwEFP.png)
Dvorak
(https://i.imgur.com/D9fYbkm.png)
Ergo Blanks
(https://i.imgur.com/tp24Y06.png)
Ergo Legends
(https://i.imgur.com/mjfUz0N.png)
UK ISO
(https://i.imgur.com/rHOy39G.png)
French ISO
(https://i.imgur.com/rM5NL3z.png)
North ISO
(https://i.imgur.com/TgSVOiz.png)
South ISO
(https://i.imgur.com/hOu3dbJ.png)
Hyper7
(https://i.imgur.com/3kTkhZ8.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/dfrdj4f.png)
Blue Alphas
(https://i.imgur.com/l4Q2iFP.png)
Mono Legends
(https://i.imgur.com/XEDjgrA.png)
40s Mods
(https://i.imgur.com/66OZG9A.png)
Ortho Mods
(https://i.imgur.com/SC61nCR.png)
60%+ Mods
(https://i.imgur.com/OJ1DlbS.png)
Spacebars
(https://i.imgur.com/3OeKvXe.png)
Novelties
(https://i.imgur.com/4tIW0hi.png)
Accents NEW
(https://i.imgur.com/fFyboUD.png)
Black Mods
(https://i.imgur.com/SOEvPAF.png)
Numpad
(https://i.imgur.com/ZEiT2xG.png)
Colemak, Mod DH/DHm
(https://i.imgur.com/84PwEFP.png)
Dvorak
(https://i.imgur.com/D9fYbkm.png)
Ergo Blanks
(https://i.imgur.com/tp24Y06.png)
Ergo Legends
(https://i.imgur.com/mjfUz0N.png)
UK ISO
(https://i.imgur.com/rHOy39G.png)
French ISO
(https://i.imgur.com/rM5NL3z.png)
North ISO
(https://i.imgur.com/TgSVOiz.png)
South ISO
(https://i.imgur.com/hOu3dbJ.png)
Hyper7
(https://i.imgur.com/3kTkhZ8.png)
Vendor Info
NA: https://mkultra.click/ (https://mkultra.click/)
EU: https://mykeyboard.eu/ (https://mykeyboard.eu/)
Asia: https://en.zfrontier.com/ (https://en.zfrontier.com/)
AU/Oceania: https://dailyclack.com/ (https://dailyclack.com/)
AU/Oceania: https://dailyclack.com/ (https://dailyclack.com/)
Coming April 1, 2020.
Matching cables will be available from Spacecables.net during the buy!
Renders by Manzel
(https://i.imgur.com/sTLZtUj.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/mQHH46k.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zZVa4Zw.png)
Stay tuned here for the latest info!
Matching cables will be available from Spacecables.net during the buy!
| KIT | PRICE (USD) |
| Gray Alphas | $29 |
| Blue Alphas | $29 |
| Mono Legends | $29 |
| 40s Mods | $44 |
| Ortho Mods | $26 |
| 60s+ Mods | $59 |
| Spacebars | $32 |
| Novelties | $30 |
| Black Mods | $38 |
| Numpad | $19 |
| Colemak | $35 |
| Dvorak | $29 |
| Ergo Blanks | $36 |
| Ergo Legends | $49 |
| UK ISO | $12 |
| French ISO | $25 |
| North ISO | $31 |
| South ISO | $29 |
| Hyper7 | $98 |
(https://i.imgur.com/sTLZtUj.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/mQHH46k.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zZVa4Zw.png)
Stay tuned here for the latest info!
What can I do to help?
Wear your "KAT Space Cadet" tag on your discord servers and spread the good news!
(https://i.imgur.com/LsgSgTm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LsgSgTm.jpg)
Last edit: March 13, 2020 - Added yellow kit and updated to final kits
Post by: factoryofidols on Tue, 19 November 2019, 09:01:55
Post by: sickbabies on Tue, 19 November 2019, 09:03:06
Post by: piit79 on Tue, 19 November 2019, 09:05:19
Post by: sickbabies on Tue, 19 November 2019, 09:12:17
Very interested. Consider V4 for the blue if we're gonna try and replicate it with stock though
Looking at V4 in more lighting I see now how much of a truly talented and wonderful designer you are. I apologise for questioning your authority. Hope no *bullies* show up
Post by: Abec13 on Tue, 19 November 2019, 09:15:40
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Tue, 19 November 2019, 09:34:40
Post by: ttom on Tue, 19 November 2019, 09:40:58
Post by: Darth_munkee on Tue, 19 November 2019, 09:45:03
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 19 November 2019, 09:45:14
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 19 November 2019, 09:47:50
Will you be taking feedback?
Yes of course!
Yep, I'm in. Hopefully I can cover split ortho with this too.
What split ortho are you thinking about that would not be covered by planck compatibility?
Post by: tankplanker on Tue, 19 November 2019, 09:48:52
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Post by: Darth_munkee on Tue, 19 November 2019, 10:07:51
Will you be taking feedback?
Yes of course!Yep, I'm in. Hopefully I can cover split ortho with this too.
What split ortho are you thinking about that would not be covered by planck compatibility?
I realized that you said 40% and Planck/Preonic so it should be good. The ones I'm thinking specifically are the Corne and Iris so as long as there are a couple 1.25U and 2U in the set it should be good.
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 19 November 2019, 10:09:16
Yep, I'm in. Hopefully I can cover split ortho with this too.
What split ortho are you thinking about that would not be covered by planck compatibility?
Not the person who asked this, but it would be nice to see two 1.5u thumb keys for Corne, Atreus and the like. Most ortho kits include these, except when they get combined with 40s.
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 19 November 2019, 10:09:51
Will you be taking feedback?
Yes of course!Yep, I'm in. Hopefully I can cover split ortho with this too.
What split ortho are you thinking about that would not be covered by planck compatibility?
I realized that you said 40% and Planck/Preonic so it should be good. The ones I'm thinking specifically are the Corne and Iris so as long as there are a couple 1.25U and 2U in the set it should be good.
Yep, I use a corne too so will be sure to include those
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 19 November 2019, 10:10:24
Will you be taking feedback?
Yes of course!Yep, I'm in. Hopefully I can cover split ortho with this too.
What split ortho are you thinking about that would not be covered by planck compatibility?
I realized that you said 40% and Planck/Preonic so it should be good. The ones I'm thinking specifically are the Corne and Iris so as long as there are a couple 1.25U and 2U in the set it should be good.
2u for Iris and 1.5u for Corne/Atreus/? is best fit I think.
Post by: ghost990 on Tue, 19 November 2019, 10:15:54
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 19 November 2019, 10:19:00
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 19 November 2019, 10:21:03
Wouldn't this be like basically running a GB for GMK Space Cadet 40bit Kits? Just without the custom colors. But considering the work has already been done, why not just ask Oblotzky to potentially run a GB for just that kit. Although that seems a little counter intuitive to just doing a Round 2.
40s users get a lot of flack for complaining about compat so this is just a way to guarantee we get the compat we want and not put it in the hands of a much wider, and admittedly more numerous majority.
Focus on price and compatibility will be paramount.
Why not run this as an Assembly kit, like what Oblotzky does?
Assembly has a ton of keys unusable by 40s so trying to limit the number of "wasted" keys
Post by: ghost990 on Tue, 19 November 2019, 10:25:16
Wouldn't this be like basically running a GB for GMK Space Cadet 40bit Kits? Just without the custom colors. But considering the work has already been done, why not just ask Oblotzky to potentially run a GB for just that kit. Although that seems a little counter intuitive to just doing a Round 2.
40s users get a lot of flack for complaining about compat so this is just a way to guarantee we get the compat we want and not put it in the hands of a much wider, and admittedly more numerous majority.
Focus on price and compatibility will be paramount.
Which I kinda get but still seems like you should just try and convince Oblotzky to do a GMK Space Cadet 40bit Kit Round since it already exists and exactly what you want basically.
Post by: Hedgey on Tue, 19 November 2019, 10:30:17
Which I kinda get but still seems like you should just try and convince Oblotzky to do a GMK Space Cadet 40bit Kit Round since it already exists and exactly what you want basically.
Yeah I'm not trying to convince a guy who's actively trying to put someone out of business by boycotting keycaps anything. Doing it this way basically guarantees we get the compat we need.
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 19 November 2019, 10:31:58
Wouldn't this be like basically running a GB for GMK Space Cadet 40bit Kits? Just without the custom colors. But considering the work has already been done, why not just ask Oblotzky to potentially run a GB for just that kit. Although that seems a little counter intuitive to just doing a Round 2.
40s users get a lot of flack for complaining about compat so this is just a way to guarantee we get the compat we want and not put it in the hands of a much wider, and admittedly more numerous majority.
Focus on price and compatibility will be paramount.
Which I kinda get but still seems like you should just try and convince Oblotzky to do a GMK Space Cadet 40bit Kit Round since it already exists and exactly what you want basically.
Didn't ask but based on his previous ICs he is not interested in supporting Minivan or minivan-derivatives (of which there are several in the works)
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 19 November 2019, 10:53:20
Would be stoked to use this on a few orthos :thumb:
Post by: Willhurt2008 on Tue, 19 November 2019, 11:16:54
Post by: ronny boi on Tue, 19 November 2019, 11:38:35
Post by: ghost990 on Tue, 19 November 2019, 12:39:04
Wouldn't this be like basically running a GB for GMK Space Cadet 40bit Kits? Just without the custom colors. But considering the work has already been done, why not just ask Oblotzky to potentially run a GB for just that kit. Although that seems a little counter intuitive to just doing a Round 2.
40s users get a lot of flack for complaining about compat so this is just a way to guarantee we get the compat we want and not put it in the hands of a much wider, and admittedly more numerous majority.
Focus on price and compatibility will be paramount.
Which I kinda get but still seems like you should just try and convince Oblotzky to do a GMK Space Cadet 40bit Kit Round since it already exists and exactly what you want basically.
Didn't ask but based on his previous ICs he is not interested in supporting Minivan or minivan-derivatives (of which there are several in the works)
Which I kinda get but still seems like you should just try and convince Oblotzky to do a GMK Space Cadet 40bit Kit Round since it already exists and exactly what you want basically.
Yeah I'm not trying to convince a guy who's actively trying to put someone out of business by boycotting keycaps anything. Doing it this way basically guarantees we get the compat we need.
Had to take a look at what you guys were talking about because I was totally unaware. Now understanding what's going on better I can see what you're going for. Good luck I guess, will be interested to see if this pans out.
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 19 November 2019, 12:58:14
Post by: Parowozik on Tue, 19 November 2019, 13:13:11
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 19 November 2019, 13:15:26
OMG OMG YES YES giv me that :o
what exactly are you excited about? :))
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 19 November 2019, 13:22:51
Post by: factoryofidols on Tue, 19 November 2019, 13:26:38
Post by: psxndc on Tue, 19 November 2019, 13:38:04
And since this seems to be a less-than-traditional-keyboard friendly thread, I'll ask: any chance for Colevrak support?
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 19 November 2019, 13:40:19
Ya know, I wasn't super into Space Cadet when Symbiosis ran, but I keep going back to the closed GB page and poking around at pictures, so maybe I should stop lying to myself about not liking it. I'd be in for a run that supports a certain roomie 4-wheeled vehicle keyboard.
And since this seems to be a less-than-traditional-keyboard friendly thread, I'll ask: any chance for Colevrak support?
As colemak user myself, I respect the request. I won't say NO unless this does go GMK, if its KAT, well we can pretty much do ANYTHING.
Post by: psxndc on Tue, 19 November 2019, 13:48:20
Post by: equalunique on Tue, 19 November 2019, 15:36:43
Wish there were romantic numerals and colevrak kits too, but beggars can't be choosers. ;)
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Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 19 November 2019, 16:00:16
+1 more KAT vote, for this reason entirelyYa know, I wasn't super into Space Cadet when Symbiosis ran, but I keep going back to the closed GB page and poking around at pictures, so maybe I should stop lying to myself about not liking it. I'd be in for a run that supports a certain roomie 4-wheeled vehicle keyboard.
And since this seems to be a less-than-traditional-keyboard friendly thread, I'll ask: any chance for Colevrak support?
As colemak user myself, I respect the request. I won't say NO unless this does go GMK, if its KAT, well we can pretty much do ANYTHING.
Post by: Darth_munkee on Tue, 19 November 2019, 16:22:48
How do we feel about numpads? Personally think we need to have all 4 operations on the right side in the right profile instead of the "traditional" way of having Div be the same profile as "x" Thoughts?
Personally I feel like a numpad should have a 2u enter key and 0 key at the bottom. Everything else should be 1u. That's just a blanket statement for all numpads. Also I think the KAT would look pretty good for this. Any chance of getting the front side legends too?
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 19 November 2019, 16:30:31
How do we feel about numpads? Personally think we need to have all 4 operations on the right side in the right profile instead of the "traditional" way of having Div be the same profile as "x" Thoughts?
Personally I feel like a numpad should have a 2u enter key and 0 key at the bottom. Everything else should be 1u. That's just a blanket statement for all numpads. Also I think the KAT would look pretty good for this. Any chance of getting the front side legends too?
OK yes, the question is a little confusing for non-40s users: I'm asking for like 4x4 macro pads, do we want a row 4 div symbol or not I guess s you can have a macro pad with legends for all the operations. Does that make more sense?
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 19 November 2019, 21:53:32
Post by: MelindaBirkenstock on Tue, 19 November 2019, 22:02:05
Post by: evangs on Tue, 19 November 2019, 22:06:24
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 19 November 2019, 22:36:42
Maybe offer the numpad as only grey numbers with blue mods? Kit feels a little bloated with two numpads. Also, more ESC keys please. Ortho kit is straight up missing them. If someone wants to do pure ortho they only need an alpha and ortho mod kit which is a killer deal, but it needs at least an r2 and r1 esc key for that to work. Maybe some 1u blanks in ortho kit too, please! :thumb:
Post by: sickbabies on Tue, 19 November 2019, 22:49:00
Glad to see this come to fruition and happy to offer help and advice at any moment. Space Cadet best set.
COUNT ME IN FOR A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 19 November 2019, 23:04:24
Post by: Surefoot on Wed, 20 November 2019, 01:42:27
Post by: harlekein on Wed, 20 November 2019, 01:44:43
If we move forward with KAT, what about an Alpha kit that is just the sublegeneds (no latin alphas)?Please, I'm begging you make this happen.
As for kit feedback, please make it so ortho kit is a standalone kit instead of supplementing the 40s. This gives me a GMK base + 40s vibe.
Post by: eskimojo on Wed, 20 November 2019, 02:38:50
Personally I think it would make more sense to have separate mod kits, one/two for 40s/ortho (depending on whether you split) and another for larger boards. Expecting users of larger boards to buy the 40s kit and then an addon for that may not be ideal (I understand the irony here, but you've undermined your own point by making it KAT).
I do love the "overcompensation" kit name though.
Nonetheless, I wish this project well, and may join if the kitting goes somewhere I like ;)
Post by: ttom on Wed, 20 November 2019, 02:55:26
Post by: tominabox1 on Wed, 20 November 2019, 07:49:11
If we move forward with KAT, what about an Alpha kit that is just the sublegeneds (no latin alphas)?Please, I'm begging you make this happen.
As for kit feedback, please make it so ortho kit is a standalone kit instead of supplementing the 40s. This gives me a GMK base + 40s vibe.
Have not decided on sublegend only Alpha yet, need to get a form up with some of these bigger inputs.
The Ortho kit is going to get major work so it'll be super great, trust me! :)
I'd be very down for KAT Space Cadet, but can't say I'm fond of the "40s first" mentality of these kits. That said, I understand it's aimed as a reaction to the "40s last" mentality that's often prevalent.
Personally I think it would make more sense to have separate mod kits, one/two for 40s/ortho (depending on whether you split) and another for larger boards. Expecting users of larger boards to buy the 40s kit and then an addon for that may not be ideal (I understand the irony here, but you've undermined your own point by making it KAT).
I do love the "overcompensation" kit name though.
Nonetheless, I wish this project well, and may join if the kitting goes somewhere I like ;)
I'll see if there's a better way to build the standard mod kit out better and still do what we're after
Post by: alas on Wed, 20 November 2019, 09:03:06
I'd be very down for KAT Space Cadet, but can't say I'm fond of the "40s first" mentality of these kits. That said, I understand it's aimed as a reaction to the "40s last" mentality that's often prevalent.
Personally I think it would make more sense to have separate mod kits, one/two for 40s/ortho (depending on whether you split) and another for larger boards. Expecting users of larger boards to buy the 40s kit and then an addon for that may not be ideal (I understand the irony here, but you've undermined your own point by making it KAT).
I do love the "overcompensation" kit name though.
Nonetheless, I wish this project well, and may join if the kitting goes somewhere I like ;)
The Standard Mods kit was not designed to be a 40s kit. It is a mods kit for most users, and the 'overcompensation' kit is designed for 65+ boards. If I were to redo the kits in such a way that you only need alphas and overcompensation, you would have many duplicate keys. I'm tweaking the mods kit so that you don't have to buy it and overcompensation for a 60%.
Post by: Fate on Wed, 20 November 2019, 09:11:14
Post by: eskimojo on Wed, 20 November 2019, 09:20:45
I'd be very down for KAT Space Cadet, but can't say I'm fond of the "40s first" mentality of these kits. That said, I understand it's aimed as a reaction to the "40s last" mentality that's often prevalent.
Personally I think it would make more sense to have separate mod kits, one/two for 40s/ortho (depending on whether you split) and another for larger boards. Expecting users of larger boards to buy the 40s kit and then an addon for that may not be ideal (I understand the irony here, but you've undermined your own point by making it KAT).
I do love the "overcompensation" kit name though.
Nonetheless, I wish this project well, and may join if the kitting goes somewhere I like ;)
The Standard Mods kit was not designed to be a 40s kit. It is a mods kit for most users, and the 'overcompensation' kit is designed for 65+ boards. If I were to redo the kits in such a way that you only need alphas and overcompensation, you would have many duplicate keys. I'm tweaking the mods kit so that you don't have to buy it and overcompensation for a 60%.
Gotcha - the kits are a little hard to decipher in their current format, hopefully they become a bit more intuitive in the tweaks. The reason I concluded that standard mods must be for 40s was the complete omission of any R1, which is characteristic of 40s kits (to be clear though, KAT's actual sculpt is 543211 (5 being f row) and I recommend converting the kits to this format to avoid confusion with the manufacturer later).
My personal opinion is that a 60s - TKL mod kit makes most sense, rather than splitting off anything TKL related (the current overcompensation kit also does not cover 65% and 75% due to the lack of right column nav keys). My philosophy on this is reflected in my kits for Lich, but this is not a gold standard of course.
I look forward to seeing how this progresses.
Post by: tominabox1 on Wed, 20 November 2019, 10:04:05
https://www.strawpoll.me/18970284
Litch and Eternal have combined 40s and Ortho set and a 60/TKL set, both with full mods and some spacebars
Milkshake has large 40s kit like we are proposing but also large 60/TKL set like Litch and Eternal
They're not all that different from each other, but clearly different from what we're proposing here.
We've been in touch with a US vendor and working on contracting some renders but I really want to get a closer to final kit design set first before we go producing any renders. I know you're hungry for it though! Be back again soon
Post by: eskimojo on Wed, 20 November 2019, 10:11:10
Since we're still having a lot of discussion on the best way to kit this, and with so many options, lets have a little poll.
https://www.strawpoll.me/18970284
Litch and Eternal have combined 40s and Ortho set and a 60/TKL set, both with full mods and some spacebars
Milkshake has large 40s kit like we are proposing but also large 60/TKL set like Litch and Eternal
They're not all that different from each other, but clearly different from what we're proposing here.
We've been in touch with a US vendor and working on contracting some renders but I really want to get a closer to final kit design set first before we go producing any renders. I know you're hungry for it though! Be back again soon
You could do large 40s and large ortho like Milkshake, and then a TKL set like Eternal/Lich - I'm actually considering doing the same for Lich, but haven't had much feedback around it.
My main issue with Milkshake was how it split off a "specialties" kit, which I don't think is necessary.
By the way, is there an invite to the 40s Discord available somewhere? I'd love to get some insight from your side of things (and it'd probably be easier than in a forum format like this).
Post by: psxndc on Wed, 20 November 2019, 10:24:42
Post by: tominabox1 on Wed, 20 November 2019, 10:26:28
For the Colevrak Kit, Dvorcol has a great reference depending on if you want to support just Colemak and Dvorak or if you want to support variants of those and a bunch of others by adding a few keys.
Oh neat, we'll definitely use this thanks!
We're actively working on re-kitting 40s and 60+ right now, then we'll get to the goofball layouts (colemak, norde etc)
Post by: harlekein on Wed, 20 November 2019, 10:27:28
You could just go for it and pay the price, but... since this is KAT, we might as well separate a couple of layouts into their own kits.
But honestly, if cadet monolegends become a thing I'm not even interested in Colevrak kit.
Post by: psxndc on Wed, 20 November 2019, 10:27:58
Oh neat, we'll definitely use this thanks!
Re-uploaded the image; the one I previously attached was slightly out of whack. If the D and H keys are brown, you're using the right one. :thumb:
Post by: tominabox1 on Wed, 20 November 2019, 10:31:29
A Colevrak kit with "accurate" symbol placement would be enormous.
You could just go for it and pay the price, but... since this is KAT, we might as well separate a couple of layouts into their own kits.
But honestly, if cadet monolegends become a thing I'm not even interested in Colevrak kit.
Litch and Eternal both have Colevrak kits, are those a problem? They're basically full alpha kits....actually that's probably how I'd propose we do it so you don't have to buy both.
Post by: Senor Coconut on Wed, 20 November 2019, 10:35:37
Post by: harlekein on Wed, 20 November 2019, 10:48:58
A Colevrak kit with "accurate" symbol placement would be enormous.
You could just go for it and pay the price, but... since this is KAT, we might as well separate a couple of layouts into their own kits.
But honestly, if cadet monolegends become a thing I'm not even interested in Colevrak kit.
Litch and Eternal both have Colevrak kits, are those a problem? They're basically full alpha kits....actually that's probably how I'd propose we do it so you don't have to buy both.
You would think they are full alpha kits by the size of them, but they're not. They require alpha and colevrak for correct coverage.
The other point I mentioned in the discord. You either have to accept the symbols will be in odd places, or a lot of additional keys will have to be created because the sublegend will be out of their original position.
Post by: psxndc on Wed, 20 November 2019, 10:56:35
The Colevrak kits in Lich and Eternal look big because they are the full Colevrak+ from the graphic I posted (white+blue+brown). As Harlekein said, you still need Alphas to cover the rest of the board. Such is the literal price weirdos like me pay for using a non-QWERTY layout.
Litch and Eternal both have Colevrak kits, are those a problem?
In terms of Harlekein saying:
But honestly, if cadet monolegends become a thing I'm not even interested in Colevrak kit.
I think they meant a symbols-only run, with no latin characters at all (like a hiragana-only "Kobe" kit) would mean they wouldn't need/want a Colevrak kit.
Post by: harlekein on Wed, 20 November 2019, 10:57:48
^^^^
The Colevrak kits in Lich and Eternal look big because they are the full Colevrak+ from the graphic I posted (white+blue+brown). As Harlekein said, you still need Alphas to cover the rest of the board. Such is the literal price weirdos like me pay for using a non-QWERTY layout.
In terms of Harlekein saying:But honestly, if cadet monolegends become a thing I'm not even interested in Colevrak kit.
I think they meant a symbols-only run, with no latin characters at all (like a hiragana-only "Kobe" kit) would mean they wouldn't need/want a Colevrak kit.
Correct.
But if full alpha Colevrak kit is here I'd get both.
Post by: psxndc on Wed, 20 November 2019, 11:00:14
Correct.
I've seen your posts before. I got you, fam.
Post by: damagepoint on Wed, 20 November 2019, 11:40:25
Post by: Adelscott on Wed, 20 November 2019, 12:00:31
Post by: Senor Coconut on Wed, 20 November 2019, 12:08:25
I would buy this with an ISO-FR kit. Not for 40s but for 60, TKL or even full layout.X 2 :thumb:
Post by: nasp on Wed, 20 November 2019, 23:24:11
Post by: MdotMaxson on Thu, 21 November 2019, 00:15:28
Post by: tominabox1 on Thu, 21 November 2019, 05:54:03
We've got some great players involved, I can't wait to share!
Ergodox? Boardwalk? Ergodox? Boardwalk?
YES!
Please keep the r3 Ctrl in the ortho kit, please and thank you!
To be clear, that's what row? (Q/A/Z?) Gets confusing because KAT is "backwards"
^^^^
The Colevrak kits in Lich and Eternal look big because they are the full Colevrak+ from the graphic I posted (white+blue+brown). As Harlekein said, you still need Alphas to cover the rest of the board. Such is the literal price weirdos like me pay for using a non-QWERTY layout.
In terms of Harlekein saying:But honestly, if cadet monolegends become a thing I'm not even interested in Colevrak kit.
I think they meant a symbols-only run, with no latin characters at all (like a hiragana-only "Kobe" kit) would mean they wouldn't need/want a Colevrak kit.
Correct.
But if full alpha Colevrak kit is here I'd get both.
Right now its up in the air whether we will be able to do properly sub-legened Colevrak. Need to discuss it with the team but I'd love to be able to do this!
Post by: MdotMaxson on Thu, 21 November 2019, 10:06:41
The poll results were pretty clear so we're working hard on updating kitting to be more consistent with Litch and Eternal. We're still maintaining an AMAZING 40s kit.
We've got some great players involved, I can't wait to share!Ergodox? Boardwalk? Ergodox? Boardwalk?
YES!Please keep the r3 Ctrl in the ortho kit, please and thank you!
To be clear, that's what row? (Q/A/Z?) Gets confusing because KAT is "backwards"^^^^
The Colevrak kits in Lich and Eternal look big because they are the full Colevrak+ from the graphic I posted (white+blue+brown). As Harlekein said, you still need Alphas to cover the rest of the board. Such is the literal price weirdos like me pay for using a non-QWERTY layout.
In terms of Harlekein saying:But honestly, if cadet monolegends become a thing I'm not even interested in Colevrak kit.
I think they meant a symbols-only run, with no latin characters at all (like a hiragana-only "Kobe" kit) would mean they wouldn't need/want a Colevrak kit.
Correct.
But if full alpha Colevrak kit is here I'd get both.
Right now its up in the air whether we will be able to do properly sub-legened Colevrak. Need to discuss it with the team but I'd love to be able to do this!
The poll results were pretty clear so we're working hard on updating kitting to be more consistent with Litch and Eternal. We're still maintaining an AMAZING 40s kit.
We've got some great players involved, I can't wait to share!Ergodox? Boardwalk? Ergodox? Boardwalk?
YES!Please keep the r3 Ctrl in the ortho kit, please and thank you!
To be clear, that's what row? (Q/A/Z?) Gets confusing because KAT is "backwards"^^^^
The Colevrak kits in Lich and Eternal look big because they are the full Colevrak+ from the graphic I posted (white+blue+brown). As Harlekein said, you still need Alphas to cover the rest of the board. Such is the literal price weirdos like me pay for using a non-QWERTY layout.
In terms of Harlekein saying:But honestly, if cadet monolegends become a thing I'm not even interested in Colevrak kit.
I think they meant a symbols-only run, with no latin characters at all (like a hiragana-only "Kobe" kit) would mean they wouldn't need/want a Colevrak kit.
Correct.
But if full alpha Colevrak kit is here I'd get both.
Right now its up in the air whether we will be able to do properly sub-legened Colevrak. Need to discuss it with the team but I'd love to be able to do this!
Awesome! I didn’t check when I wrote that because I didn’t have the time to look for the required keys. However it appears all you need is 2 1.5u R1 keys at minimum and that would cover a boardwalk minimally. Or do you plan on adding an Ergo Kit, like how KAT Eternal and KAT Lich have done? You could go blanks like the previous mentioned or we could get crazy and do custom legends on an ergo kit to make the panties drop.
KAT is the new GMK. Well maybe not yet..... but I bet this time next year everyone will have forgotten about GMK and all the iconic new sets will be on KAT. Nothing beats their ability to do small kits, PBT, and that sound profile.
Post by: tominabox1 on Thu, 21 November 2019, 12:42:05
Awesome! I didn’t check when I wrote that because I didn’t have the time to look for the required keys. However it appears all you need is 2 1.5u R1 keys at minimum and that would cover a boardwalk minimally. Or do you plan on adding an Ergo Kit, like how KAT Eternal and KAT Lich have done? You could go blanks like the previous mentioned or we could get crazy and do custom legends on an ergo kit to make the panties drop.
KAT is the new GMK. Well maybe not yet..... but I bet this time next year everyone will have forgotten about GMK and all the iconic new sets will be on KAT. Nothing beats their ability to do small kits, PBT, and that sound profile.
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We will be having ergo kits like Litch. As far as panty dropping goes, we might have to have panty dropping money to do the legend design :eek: But we're trying to see what is feasible.
Post by: tominabox1 on Thu, 21 November 2019, 19:29:40
Post by: eskimojo on Thu, 21 November 2019, 19:57:42
BIG update in the OP :p :p :p :p :p
hot
Post by: Kokaloo on Thu, 21 November 2019, 20:22:30
my
GOD
:eek: lemme take a few to let these kits sit in lmao
looks fabulous
Post by: psxndc on Thu, 21 November 2019, 23:29:40
BIG update in the OP :p :p :p :p :p
Lemme say, after seeing Symbiosis and the original Symbolics kb, I'm really glad you're breaking with the theme of black legends for the bottom half mods. I think it looks odd. Love white legends all around.
Post by: eskimojo on Thu, 21 November 2019, 23:55:29
BIG update in the OP :p :p :p :p :p
Lemme say, after seeing Symbiosis and the original Symbolics kb, I'm really glad you're breaking with the theme of black legends for the bottom half mods. I think it looks odd. Love white legends all around.
I think a separate addon mod kit for it would be cool, but i agree it shouldn't be default
Post by: harlekein on Thu, 21 November 2019, 23:56:03
Even moreso when you are combining 40s and ortho as if this is GMK. As I pointed out in the Lich thread, it's a bum deal for ortho users and there's absolutely no reason for it with KAT.
If the kits are like this I'm out.
Post by: huey on Fri, 22 November 2019, 02:36:49
The set is great anyway as it'd be nice to have more KAT kits available, and most people love Space Cadet. Highly anticipating the renders and more eyes to see this IC.
Take my money and best of luck man.
Post by: ronny boi on Fri, 22 November 2019, 02:56:19
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 22 November 2019, 12:43:49
Shouldn't this just be called KAT Space Cadet now?
Space KAdeT.
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 22 November 2019, 12:52:47
To be clear, that's what row? (Q/A/Z?) Gets confusing because KAT is "backwards"
I've said this before and I will again. When it comes to KAT profile sets, instead of R1, R2, ... Rn, we should be talking about K1, K2, ... Kn (ok, Kn...K1, but the points does get across).
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 22 November 2019, 13:04:14
While everyone's going nuts about the modifier kits, I took a look at the alphas kits. And they need revision, to ensure they properly fulfill their "cadet-y" qualities with the proper Math symbols present.
I'll exemplify this with the BEFR kit, which should make its point clearly enough:
None of the five letters (A, Q, W, Z, M) has its corresponding math symbol adjusted. Granted, "French Cadet" keyboards did not exist, but that begs the question of whether to move the letters but not the Math symbols, or to move them both (and of course it has to be the former, not the latter), but the kits as stand now would leave those letters unaccompanied while other letters retain their math symbols, which definitely is the worst choice.
Same goes for the Colevrak kit. Perhaps it would be best to do "full alphas" Dvorak-cadet and Colemak-cadet kits, instead of a simple differential kit?
Heck, that last bit actually goes for ALL alpha possibilities (language-wise and QWERTY/nonQWERTY-wise), come to think of it.
Post by: Senor Coconut on Fri, 22 November 2019, 15:09:58
I'm in!
Post by: equalunique on Fri, 22 November 2019, 20:47:50
Shouldn't this just be called KAT Space Cadet now?
Space KAdeT.
Nice.
Just want to say I'm excited to put either Colevrak or symbol-only alphas on my 40%.
Post by: datarama on Sat, 23 November 2019, 06:44:27
1. Black legends on blue keys on the two lower rows, like on the original Space Cadet. On the original, this was supposed to mean that white-on-grey produced printable characters, white-on-blue produced special characters and black-on-blue were modifiers --- though even the original documentation noted that they weren't particularly consistent about it.
2. Modifiers that, rather than PC-style "ctrl"/"sys"/"alt" have the Lisp Machine-style "hyper"/"super"/"meta" legends.
3. A 1.75u ESCAPE key to go in the usual caps lock position. I know there's probably like two other Lisp enthusiasts who use Vim, but hey, a nerd can hope.
That would pretty much make for my dream keycap set.
Post by: catbus on Sat, 23 November 2019, 08:57:05
Post by: alas on Sat, 23 November 2019, 13:40:17
Would love if we could get a full hyper7 set ;)
You. Stop reading our DMs! ;)
Post by: geewiz on Sat, 23 November 2019, 16:09:40
2. Modifiers that, rather than PC-style "ctrl"/"sys"/"alt" have the Lisp Machine-style "hyper"/"super"/"meta" legends.
Definitely!
3. A 1.75u ESCAPE key to go in the usual caps lock position. I know there's probably like two other Lisp enthusiasts who use Vim, but hey, a nerd can hope.
You are not alone, my friend.
Post by: Loligagger on Sat, 23 November 2019, 16:18:43
1. Black legends on blue keys on the two lower rows, like on the original Space Cadet. On the original, this was supposed to mean that white-on-grey produced printable characters, white-on-blue produced special characters and black-on-blue were modifiers --- though even the original documentation noted that they weren't particularly consistent about it.
I'll second this. The combo of black on blue & white on blue legends was part of the charm of the original set.
Post by: tominabox1 on Sat, 23 November 2019, 20:38:18
Welcome MKUltra Corp to the Vendor team!
We're currently working on renders, hoping to have them very soon. High five for Alas on helping with these awesome kits!
Post by: angelax on Sat, 23 November 2019, 22:40:24
Count me in for mono legends and ortho mods for sure. Maybe novelties, numpad, and ergo.
Post by: phunktional on Sat, 23 November 2019, 22:41:53
I worry you'll struggle to get all these kits to MOQ in a GB but I'm cautiously optimistic!I think KAT MOQ is different than GMK and isn’t based on sets but overall unit count.
Post by: tominabox1 on Sat, 23 November 2019, 22:49:19
I worry you'll struggle to get all these kits to MOQ in a GB but I'm cautiously optimistic!I think KAT MOQ is different than GMK and isn’t based on sets but overall unit count.
Yep! KAT has a unit moq - as in each key is 1 unit or a spacebar is 6.25 etc. so you can run as many kits as you want and as long as the total is above that MOQ you get everything made!
Post by: angelax on Sat, 23 November 2019, 22:53:47
I think KAT MOQ is different than GMK and isn’t based on sets but overall unit count.
Oh that's very cool. I did not know that.
Looking forward to renders. The spacing on some of the keys looks a little funky now, excited to see how they'll look in a more realistic render.
Post by: stoffelduss on Sun, 24 November 2019, 05:00:21
However, some small feedback to the Colemak kit: As it stands right now, if you use Colemak DH, you have the same sublegends on the neighbouring keys D and V as well as M and H. Can you therefore also include a V with the three horizontal lines sublegend and an M with the <= sublegend?
A asdf row closing bracket key _might_ also be appreciated by some Colemak users. Info: https://colemakmods.github.io/ergonomic-mods/wide.html
I used Colemak DH in the past but I use the Workman layout at the moment. Just wanted to mention that I would buy a Workman kit if you made one, but I also understand if it's too niche. The monolegends don't cut it for me, unfortunately.
Post by: harlekein on Sun, 24 November 2019, 06:31:12
Interested! A full Colemak alpha kit is something special :D
However, some small feedback to the Colemak kit: As it stands right now, if you use Colemak DH, you have the same sublegends on the neighbouring keys D and V as well as M and H. Can you therefore also include a V with the three horizontal lines sublegend and an M with the <= sublegend?
Seconding this.
I'm really impressed with how these kits are turning out. Having a dedicated Colemak and Dvorak kit is a whole new world and only possible to see with KAT. I hope this is a trend that will pick up for more kits.
I am most definitely buying both Colemak and mono cadet alphas.
For ortho:
For prionic and such, R4 DEL key would be good to add. Other than that, I believe it's a very complete kit. Awesom job!
Post by: alas on Sun, 24 November 2019, 09:50:48
Interested! A full Colemak alpha kit is something special :D
However, some small feedback to the Colemak kit: As it stands right now, if you use Colemak DH, you have the same sublegends on the neighbouring keys D and V as well as M and H. Can you therefore also include a V with the three horizontal lines sublegend and an M with the <= sublegend?
A asdf row closing bracket key _might_ also be appreciated by some Colemak users. Info: https://colemakmods.github.io/ergonomic-mods/wide.html
I used Colemak DH in the past but I use the Workman layout at the moment. Just wanted to mention that I would buy a Workman kit if you made one, but I also understand if it's too niche. The monolegends don't cut it for me, unfortunately.
Done! Will be a while before the post is updated but your suggestions are in there :)
Post by: geewiz on Sun, 24 November 2019, 11:59:42
However, it would be awesome if there was a 6uOC spacebar in the spacebars set; I'd also buy that, the novelties and the numpad to kit out my G80-11900.
Post by: eskimojo on Sun, 24 November 2019, 12:50:29
I'm in for alphas, mods and black mods for a 60%, Space Cadet is a must-have for me.Assuming that OC refers to off centre stem, it's worth noting that KAT Alpha's 6u space was off centre stem. I'm unsure if they have a centre stem 6u mould.
However, it would be awesome if there was a 6uOC spacebar in the spacebars set; I'd also buy that, the novelties and the numpad to kit out my G80-11900.
Post by: geewiz on Sun, 24 November 2019, 16:16:08
Assuming that OC refers to off centre stem, it's worth noting that KAT Alpha's 6u space was off centre stem. I'm unsure if they have a centre stem 6u mould.
Yes, I meant off-centre. The 6u space bars in the kit are labeled "6.00c", so it looks to me that "6.00oc" variants are missing.
Post by: stoffelduss on Sun, 24 November 2019, 17:26:44
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 24 November 2019, 17:40:05
Post by: tominabox1 on Sun, 24 November 2019, 17:41:43
The “c” isn’t centered?
the c probably stands for concave.
C is for convex :thumb:
Post by: Adelscott on Sun, 24 November 2019, 17:56:37
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 24 November 2019, 19:01:07
French ISO is in, so am I !
Same thing here :thumb: .
Might have to speak about some of the legends alignment later though.
Post by: tominabox1 on Sun, 24 November 2019, 19:02:53
French ISO is in, so am I !
Same thing here :thumb: .
Might have to speak about some of the legends alignment later though.
all of the legends have to be generated for keyreative to do - so do not fear, alignment issues will be resolved!
Post by: Senor Coconut on Mon, 25 November 2019, 01:00:07
(time for a signature pict then?)
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 26 November 2019, 19:39:23
In the queue for renders soon...and maybe some more fun things on the horizon!!! :-X :-X :-X
Post by: depletedvespene on Tue, 26 November 2019, 20:19:36
Updated KIT graphics! Huge thanks to OneCreativeMind for the amazing legend work and fu11.meta1 for use of the 40s Discord logo! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
In the queue for renders soon...and maybe some more fun things on the horizon!!! :-X :-X :-X
Gonna take me a while to go through all the new kits, but WILL check to weed out any possible errors. :thumb:
Post by: equalunique on Tue, 26 November 2019, 23:07:30
Gotta cop those novelties, ortho, ergo, dvorak, and mono kits.
Sent from my Ono-Sendai Cyberspace 7 using Tapatalk
Post by: eskimojo on Wed, 27 November 2019, 02:32:13
Updated KIT graphics! Huge thanks to OneCreativeMind for the amazing legend work and fu11.meta1 for use of the 40s Discord logo! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
In the queue for renders soon...and maybe some more fun things on the horizon!!! :-X :-X :-X
Not keen on the red size legends, but other than that, the new kit images are excellent.
Love the Hyper7 kit ;)
Post by: Fredington on Wed, 27 November 2019, 06:52:34
Post by: eskimojo on Wed, 27 November 2019, 06:58:34
Will the black text kit be regular dye subbed? If so I can foresee problems matching the cap color to the other reverse dye subbed blue, since the blue is being executed differently.
see: DSA Groove
(https://i.redd.it/9bwgff1rymc21.jpg)
Post by: stoffelduss on Wed, 27 November 2019, 07:16:56
Whoops I missed something! Sorry!! The closing bracket key in the asdf row isn't the only thing needed for the wide mod, an apostrophe key in the qwer row (' and ") is also needed. Sorry, I missed that because it's part of dvorak anyway and therefore usually included with colemak but not in this case. The closing bracket key is fairly useless on its own unfortunately so I'd recommend you should either add the extra apostrophe key for wide mod support (:D) or remove the closing bracket key (D:).Interested! A full Colemak alpha kit is something special :D
However, some small feedback to the Colemak kit: As it stands right now, if you use Colemak DH, you have the same sublegends on the neighbouring keys D and V as well as M and H. Can you therefore also include a V with the three horizontal lines sublegend and an M with the <= sublegend?
A asdf row closing bracket key _might_ also be appreciated by some Colemak users. Info: https://colemakmods.github.io/ergonomic-mods/wide.html
I used Colemak DH in the past but I use the Workman layout at the moment. Just wanted to mention that I would buy a Workman kit if you made one, but I also understand if it's too niche. The monolegends don't cut it for me, unfortunately.
Done! Will be a while before the post is updated but your suggestions are in there :)
Post by: psxndc on Wed, 27 November 2019, 12:23:27
I am going to spend sooooo much money on this.
Done! Will be a while before the post is updated but your suggestions are in there :)Whoops I missed something! Sorry!! The closing bracket key in the asdf row isn't the only thing needed for the wide mod, an apostrophe key in the qwer row (' and ") is also needed. Sorry, I missed that because it's part of dvorak anyway and therefore usually included with colemak but not in this case. The closing bracket key is fairly useless on its own unfortunately so I'd recommend you should either add the extra apostrophe key for wide mod support (:D) or remove the closing bracket key (D:).
For me personally, I'd love the R3 apostrophe in the Colemak kit (no longer a programmer and I use quotes way more than semicolons), but I'm already getting so much with this set I am fine not having it.
I'm simply flabbergasted at the support you're giving the community with these sets.
Post by: geewiz on Wed, 27 November 2019, 15:16:21
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 27 November 2019, 16:52:52
Post by: harlekein on Thu, 28 November 2019, 03:37:26
LAWD have mercy, a full alpha kit for colemak?! God Dayum....It's a brand new day and the future is bright.
Post by: MdotMaxson on Thu, 28 November 2019, 09:46:21
Post by: rockydbull on Thu, 28 November 2019, 12:30:29
Mkultra is the vendor? Ehhh I’m out. That Guy has major ego problems for someone who cuts 10 cent foam with a laser.
Whoa incoming hot take. Anything specific or just personal bad interactions
Post by: BalticSubmarine on Thu, 28 November 2019, 14:17:21
Mkultra is the vendor? Ehhh I’m out. That Guy has major ego problems for someone who cuts 10 cent foam with a laser.
Whoa incoming hot take. Anything specific or just personal bad interactions
I know he had some beef with Mito over some extra keys he made to go along with SA Godspeed. Other than that I'm not aware of anything.
Post by: MKUltraCorp on Thu, 28 November 2019, 18:13:51
Mkultra is the vendor? Ehhh I’m out. That Guy has major ego problems for someone who cuts 10 cent foam with a laser.
Whoa incoming hot take. Anything specific or just personal bad interactions
I know he had some beef with Mito over some extra keys he made to go along with SA Godspeed. Other than that I'm not aware of anything.
That thing with Mito is ancient history and he even decided to include that R4 1.75u TRANSMIT key in his future run of SA Godspeed's base mods, so at least it ended up with a positive ending.
The thing with MdotMaxson however, is much deeper and involves a history of vitriol from him to the point that I have banned him from future purchases at the store - he is the one and only person that has ever even been considered for this. I've had to file a PayPal buyer abuse claim due to repeated harassment through that system and had to deal with some quite disturbing attempted reviews on my site from him, a screenshot attached. Those reviews were placed minutes before a second PayPal claim was filed by him and you'll notice his choice of words here seem to match the ones in the reviews. Both reviews were placed within 3 minutes of each other.
Hate to have to call him out for this here in this thread but I will not tolerate his hate and attempts to discredit me any further.
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 28 November 2019, 18:53:04
Updated KIT graphics! Huge thanks to OneCreativeMind for the amazing legend work and fu11.meta1 for use of the 40s Discord logo! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
In the queue for renders soon...and maybe some more fun things on the horizon!!! :-X :-X :-X
Gonna take me a while to go through all the new kits, but WILL check to weed out any possible errors. :thumb:
Okay, I went over each kit, and these are the problems I have noticed:
Colemak:
R3 has F∩ (intersection) and P∪ (union) - should be F∪ and P∩ instead (note the Dvorak set has its R3 P key right).
R2 O∂: the differential symbol should remain on R3, in the ;: key.
Dvorak: many symbols have been shifted right, no doubt due to the presence of typographical symbols on the leftmost keycaps (;: , etc.). I don't know if this is a mistake or is intentional, to avoid having symbols on non-letter keys.
UK ISO: it's clearly UK+US. I'm not complaining about the content, but I would consider renaming it "English ISO". Okay, add R1 <> for the coolness of the terminal style. :D
French ISO:
R4 ² : the superscript symbol is so far up, it looks like it's in the Shift layer. Should be moved down to reflect it's in the base layer.
R4 É7 should be È7 (grave accent, not acute accent - the acute accent is on É2).
R3 M± should be a plain M (or not, given it'd be the only letter without a math symbol on top).
South ISO:
R4 and R2 ºª : those two should be in lowercase - remember those are superscript lowercase letters (see U+00ba and U+00aa).
R4 \| : the mod-colored key is present but the alpha colored key is missing.
R4 2" : that 2 is noticeably larger than the other numbers in the same row.
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: alas on Thu, 28 November 2019, 21:15:34
Updated KIT graphics! Huge thanks to OneCreativeMind for the amazing legend work and fu11.meta1 for use of the 40s Discord logo! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
In the queue for renders soon...and maybe some more fun things on the horizon!!! :-X :-X :-X
Gonna take me a while to go through all the new kits, but WILL check to weed out any possible errors. :thumb:
Okay, I went over each kit, and these are the problems I have noticed:
Colemak:
R3 has F∩ (intersection) and P∪ (union) - should be F∪ and P∩ instead (note the Dvorak set has its R3 P key right).
R2 O∂: the differential symbol should remain on R3, in the ;: key.
Dvorak: many symbols have been shifted right, no doubt due to the presence of typographical symbols on the leftmost keycaps (;: , etc.). I don't know if this is a mistake or is intentional, to avoid having symbols on non-letter keys.
UK ISO: it's clearly UK+US. I'm not complaining about the content, but I would consider renaming it "English ISO". Okay, add R1 <> for the coolness of the terminal style. :D
French ISO:
R4 ² : the superscript symbol is so far up, it looks like it's in the Shift layer. Should be moved down to reflect it's in the base layer.
R4 É7 should be È7 (grave accent, not acute accent - the acute accent is on É2).
R3 M± should be a plain M (or not, given it'd be the only letter without a math symbol on top).
South ISO:
R4 and R2 ºª : those two should be in lowercase - remember those are superscript lowercase letters (see U+00ba and U+00aa).
R4 \| : the mod-colored key is present but the alpha colored key is missing.
R4 2" : that 2 is noticeably larger than the other numbers in the same row.
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
We intentionally did not put Lisp/Cadet sublegends on non-letter keys. All of the positioning issues are being worked on. The incorrect ISO legends are being corrected. Looks like it was all a rendering/typography error, and the KLEs are correct. Thanks for noticing :)
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 29 November 2019, 22:41:39
Updated KIT graphics! Huge thanks to OneCreativeMind for the amazing legend work and fu11.meta1 for use of the 40s Discord logo! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
In the queue for renders soon...and maybe some more fun things on the horizon!!! :-X :-X :-X
Gonna take me a while to go through all the new kits, but WILL check to weed out any possible errors. :thumb:
Okay, I went over each kit, and these are the problems I have noticed:
Colemak:
R3 has F∩ (intersection) and P∪ (union) - should be F∪ and P∩ instead (note the Dvorak set has its R3 P key right).
R2 O∂: the differential symbol should remain on R3, in the ;: key.
Dvorak: many symbols have been shifted right, no doubt due to the presence of typographical symbols on the leftmost keycaps (;: , etc.). I don't know if this is a mistake or is intentional, to avoid having symbols on non-letter keys.
UK ISO: it's clearly UK+US. I'm not complaining about the content, but I would consider renaming it "English ISO". Okay, add R1 <> for the coolness of the terminal style. :D
French ISO:
R4 ² : the superscript symbol is so far up, it looks like it's in the Shift layer. Should be moved down to reflect it's in the base layer.
R4 É7 should be È7 (grave accent, not acute accent - the acute accent is on É2).
R3 M± should be a plain M (or not, given it'd be the only letter without a math symbol on top).
South ISO:
R4 and R2 ºª : those two should be in lowercase - remember those are superscript lowercase letters (see U+00ba and U+00aa).
R4 \| : the mod-colored key is present but the alpha colored key is missing.
R4 2" : that 2 is noticeably larger than the other numbers in the same row.
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
I know I am really late to the party, but please consider using the Dvorak and Colemak symbol locations as Oblotzky's GMK Space Cadet (https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-x-oblotzky-gmk-space-cadet-keycap-set?mode=guest_open) set did. As far as I know that was the first Space Cadet set with alternative alpha layout support.
(https://i.imgur.com/2mAuxBt.png)
Post by: datarama on Sun, 01 December 2019, 10:26:08
R2 keys for unshifted parens, eg. with () on bottom and [] on top. This is another feature actual Lisp Machine keyboards (including the Space Cadet and the later Symbolics boards) had, because... well, you *would* want unshifted parens on a machine for Lisp programming.
(for my daily driver I've implemented that in the firmware. 7bit's SA r6 keycaps actually had a pair of caps for it too.)
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 03 December 2019, 03:29:30
Very annoying that KAT reversed row numbers, but here we go:
R3 CTRL: I never seen this in an ortho kit and I'm not sure if it would be used by anyone. Seems like this should be in traditional R3 (R2 KAT)
R2 BACKSPACE: This would be more suitable in the Colemak kit. It usually isn't included in ortho
R1 ENTER: The white legend is duplicate
Post by: psxndc on Tue, 03 December 2019, 11:49:04
A few notes on the ortho kit:
Very annoying that KAT reversed row numbers, but here we go:
R2 BACKSPACE: This would be more suitable in the Colemak kit. It usually isn't included in ortho
Colemak user here. I support this. Almost all my keebs are Ortho so I'm getting that the Ortho kit regardless, but was I disappointed to not see a 1u bksp in the Colemak kit (and didn't notice it was in the Ortho kit).
Post by: eskimojo on Tue, 03 December 2019, 13:20:41
Are there any colemak users that would need the 1u backspace without the rest of the ortho kit?A few notes on the ortho kit:
Very annoying that KAT reversed row numbers, but here we go:
R2 BACKSPACE: This would be more suitable in the Colemak kit. It usually isn't included in ortho
Colemak user here. I support this. Almost all my keebs are Ortho so I'm getting that the Ortho kit regardless, but was I disappointed to not see a 1u bksp in the Colemak kit (and didn't notice it was in the Ortho kit).
Post by: psxndc on Tue, 03 December 2019, 13:37:25
Are there any colemak users that would need the 1u backspace without the rest of the ortho kit?
I'm trying to think of a keyboard layout other than ortho that has a 1u capslock key (that's what bksp replaces) and honestly can't think of one. But including it in ortho rather than Colemak - if people care about such things - forces a bunch of ortho users to pay for a key that only benefits Colemak users.
Again, I'm getting Colemak and Ortho, so it doesn't matter to me, but I can see non-Colemak ortho users not wanting it. There are people out there that even one extra key in their set is anathema to them. Conversely, I guess it forces Colemak users to pay for an ortho-only key, but usually Colemak users are happy to get any support at all and would be less likely to complain about paying for an extra key. ;D
Post by: hottrout on Thu, 05 December 2019, 07:47:17
Post by: Senor Coconut on Thu, 05 December 2019, 16:53:02
Post by: tominabox1 on Sat, 07 December 2019, 17:47:14
Hi, I've taken the liberty to make the right corrections to the french kit legends (mainly R4).As a graphic designer and future user of the set, it's important to me to have the right legends, properly composed.I also noticed that some letters are not exactly on the same baseline, there're some inconsistencies, but I guess it's not the very final document.Hope it'll help.Thanks
I updated the OP with the changes, I think we already had them, just didn't have the post updated! Thanks for the eagle eyes!
Post by: geewiz on Sat, 07 December 2019, 18:08:43
I updated the OP with the changes, I think we already had them, just didn't have the post updated! Thanks for the eagle eyes!
This is looking better and better every time!
Can you please clarify if the 6u space bars are centred or off-centred?
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sat, 07 December 2019, 18:12:01
Thanks for the accent correction. I guess the alignment of legends will be done later, then.Hi, I've taken the liberty to make the right corrections to the french kit legends (mainly R4).As a graphic designer and future user of the set, it's important to me to have the right legends, properly composed.I also noticed that some letters are not exactly on the same baseline, there're some inconsistencies, but I guess it's not the very final document.Hope it'll help.Thanks
I updated the OP with the changes, I think we already had them, just didn't have the post updated! Thanks for the eagle eyes!
Post by: catbus on Sun, 08 December 2019, 01:27:03
As replacements for the regular '['/'{' keys in R3
(https://i.imgur.com/pSJAMeM.png)
Post by: Adelscott on Sun, 08 December 2019, 05:29:09
Thanks for the accent correction. I guess the alignment of legends will be done later, then.Hi, I've taken the liberty to make the right corrections to the french kit legends (mainly R4).As a graphic designer and future user of the set, it's important to me to have the right legends, properly composed.I also noticed that some letters are not exactly on the same baseline, there're some inconsistencies, but I guess it's not the very final document.Hope it'll help.Thanks
I updated the OP with the changes, I think we already had them, just didn't have the post updated! Thanks for the eagle eyes!
I second this, we're not in D&D, good alignement is the only one ! ;D
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 08 December 2019, 05:31:38
:blank: :thumb: :blank: :thumb: :blank: :thumb: :blank:Thanks for the accent correction. I guess the alignment of legends will be done later, then.Hi, I've taken the liberty to make the right corrections to the french kit legends (mainly R4).As a graphic designer and future user of the set, it's important to me to have the right legends, properly composed.I also noticed that some letters are not exactly on the same baseline, there're some inconsistencies, but I guess it's not the very final document.Hope it'll help.Thanks
I updated the OP with the changes, I think we already had them, just didn't have the post updated! Thanks for the eagle eyes!
I second this, we're not in D&D, good alignement is the only one ! ;D
Post by: Aznakh on Sun, 08 December 2019, 08:22:44
Post by: AJM on Sun, 08 December 2019, 13:06:03
But there is one little mistake, I think. This is not exclusive to these renders, but I've seen it on too many other - already finished - key sets.
It's about the "=0"-key of the Norde/North kit:
It seems the legends are vertically centered by default, which is usually fine, but in the case of the "=0"-key the upper character "=" doesn't have the full height, which has the effect, that the "0" gets pulled up, when the vertical centering takes place.
It would be great, if you could set a good example, by positioning these legends correctly, which means: the "0" should be on the same level as the other digits of the neighbouring keys.
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Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 08 December 2019, 13:22:37
This is why I took the liberty to do an exhaustive correction of the FR kit, earlier.
Some precise corrections on the legends composition is a must for this set which is very good but not perfect.
Post by: dmatx1 on Mon, 09 December 2019, 04:58:33
Both R1 and R2 of Hyper7 used two switches (https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559678236481814548/653516149178236929/image0.jpg) for those keys instead of one switch with stabilizer.
Post by: harlekein on Mon, 09 December 2019, 05:45:04
Are there any colemak users that would need the 1u backspace without the rest of the ortho kit?
I'm trying to think of a keyboard layout other than ortho that has a 1u capslock key (that's what bksp replaces) and honestly can't think of one. But including it in ortho rather than Colemak - if people care about such things - forces a bunch of ortho users to pay for a key that only benefits Colemak users.
Again, I'm getting Colemak and Ortho, so it doesn't matter to me, but I can see non-Colemak ortho users not wanting it. There are people out there that even one extra key in their set is anathema to them. Conversely, I guess it forces Colemak users to pay for an ortho-only key, but usually Colemak users are happy to get any support at all and would be less likely to complain about paying for an extra key. ;D
The reason it looks wrong to me, is because you could do two things:
1) The more common option is to put the R2 BACKSPACE into the Colemak kit. This means the R2 BACK should move from ortho kit to Colemak kit.
2) Put all R2 BACKSPACE keys in their corresponding mod kits. This adds an additional key for a lot of people who don't use it.
For me it doesn't matter. I don't use the key. (On 40% ortho the backspace key is already moved to a closer position than where it normally resides and I prefer TAB on the traditional CAPS LOCK position). But since I am getting both ortho and Colemak I will also be getting this key either way.
I would recommend moving the key to the Colemak kit. First of all, having a standalone Colemak kit is already an unbeatable offering. I don't think adding this key deters from that. Second, this means other ortho users won't sit with that key they won't use either.
Post by: Koniotaur on Fri, 13 December 2019, 09:54:58
Post by: tominabox1 on Wed, 18 December 2019, 10:35:04
https://www.strawpoll.me/19103489
Does the OG color match matter to you or not? Please vote!
We have some renders just waiting for color codes right now.... ;)
Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 18 December 2019, 11:00:42
Hey all! A little update, we're having trouble acquiring access to the OG board we thought we could use to color match so, to move things forward, I'm offering you this poll:Voted SP. You had me at a full colemak alpha kit. My thirsty, desperate ass is happy with that.
https://www.strawpoll.me/19103489
Does the OG color match matter to you or not? Please vote!
We have some renders just waiting for color codes right now.... ;)
Post by: ykill on Wed, 18 December 2019, 12:04:07
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Post by: tominabox1 on Wed, 18 December 2019, 23:19:30
With this decision, we'll be able to get some renders soon! So excited :cool: :cool:
Post by: Oni74 on Fri, 20 December 2019, 09:14:10
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Post by: 3411113 on Fri, 27 December 2019, 15:05:59
Post by: umberts on Tue, 31 December 2019, 04:24:05
Love it, can't wait to see it moving forward but I was wondering, is anybody else here a fan of the yellow Esc and Return like the SA Symbiosis did? How much would it delay the process and how much would it cost, if possible? Maybe even as an addon kit!
Thanks!
Post by: Senor Coconut on Tue, 31 December 2019, 08:40:36
Hi, just registered here to comment on this beatiful kit!+1 on the yellow Esc and Return option.
Love it, can't wait to see it moving forward but I was wondering, is anybody else here a fan of the yellow Esc and Return like the SA Symbiosis did? How much would it delay the process and how much would it cost, if possible? Maybe even as an addon kit!
Thanks!
Post by: pott on Tue, 31 December 2019, 11:55:17
Post by: angelax on Wed, 01 January 2020, 10:02:51
Post by: neutralstate on Wed, 01 January 2020, 19:43:32
Hi, just registered here to comment on this beatiful kit!+1 on the yellow Esc and Return option.
Love it, can't wait to see it moving forward but I was wondering, is anybody else here a fan of the yellow Esc and Return like the SA Symbiosis did? How much would it delay the process and how much would it cost, if possible? Maybe even as an addon kit!
Thanks!
Same here!
Post by: pott on Thu, 16 January 2020, 18:37:35
Post by: neutralstate on Fri, 17 January 2020, 04:07:28
Post by: tominabox1 on Fri, 17 January 2020, 12:49:03
Post by: umberts on Wed, 22 January 2020, 05:18:38
Hey guys! We're still waiting to hear from Keyreative, and Chinese New Year is upon us so may be a bit yet. Sorry we don't have any other info to share yet
Any thoughts on the yellow accents kit if possible? Thank you very much for this project :D
Post by: h9n9n3 on Wed, 22 January 2020, 07:44:49
Post by: deLEES on Thu, 23 January 2020, 13:11:16
Post by: raptorzoz on Mon, 10 February 2020, 14:34:28
Post by: tominabox1 on Mon, 10 February 2020, 14:38:42
has anything new happened in regards to this set?
YES! well.... we're still here anyway... Lunar New Year and Carona Virus really holding up everything in China so I am not expecting a lot of movement in the next few weeks. We do have some cool stuff we have been waiting for the right time to release though!
Post by: Slayer77 on Mon, 10 February 2020, 15:01:41
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Post by: Senor Coconut on Mon, 10 February 2020, 16:08:44
Post by: Koniotaur on Sat, 29 February 2020, 11:42:24
I was wondering if the surface will be glossy?
I don't think there was glossy KAT yet, so I don't think so.
Post by: umberts on Mon, 02 March 2020, 15:02:17
Post by: tominabox1 on Mon, 02 March 2020, 21:43:48
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Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 03 March 2020, 22:19:18
Post by: Sunhwan Jeong on Wed, 04 March 2020, 01:48:25
Post by: umberts on Wed, 04 March 2020, 05:19:01
Little update in the OP... (more to come very soon)
HYPE mode engaged!
Post by: Shurakai on Wed, 04 March 2020, 06:34:38
Post by: Gert Fischer on Wed, 04 March 2020, 15:26:53
Post by: hottrout on Thu, 05 March 2020, 10:47:51
Post by: tominabox1 on Fri, 06 March 2020, 07:21:45
op will be updated later today.
Post by: umberts on Fri, 06 March 2020, 11:40:57
Post by: dmatx1 on Fri, 06 March 2020, 12:30:48
Post by: tominabox1 on Fri, 06 March 2020, 12:42:56
Do you have KLE links to the 40s Mods and 60+ Mods kits?
I'm afraid not
Post by: cpryland on Fri, 06 March 2020, 14:56:08
Loved the original Space Cadet keyboards (used to manage the EECS department Lisp Machines at MIT in the late 70's).
Too bad we can't re-create the TK keyboard keys, which are even better. (Shiny and heavy Microswitch key caps--3mm I think.)
Post by: dmatx1 on Fri, 06 March 2020, 14:56:21
Could you verify key widths (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/bea72b4f1295a4941934d491e25216ad)?Do you have KLE links to the 40s Mods and 60+ Mods kits?
I'm afraid not
I'm trying to cover one 40% and two 60% boards with three alpha kits, one novelties kit (for extra 2u backspace), one 40s mods kit and one 60%+ mods kit and if I haven't done a mistake it will work nicely.
Post by: Sigil on Fri, 06 March 2020, 15:54:55
Any chance of including either or both of these things?
Post by: umberts on Sat, 07 March 2020, 10:29:41
This is all looking pretty good. About the novelties though, one of the things I liked about the GMK symbols kit was the inclusion of the hands in R4 (R1, in KAT) to use as arrow keys. Also, the set of Roman numerals from R1 to R4 (R4 to R1 here) to use for a column.
Any chance of including either or both of these things?
Yeah, I think It's kinda late in the process but I figured out the same thing. Having a 65% i find the novelties less appealing, so much stuff that I can't possibly use.
Post by: hkiri on Sat, 07 March 2020, 12:39:39
Post by: tominabox1 on Sat, 07 March 2020, 13:15:43
Both Enter keys in the North ISO kit have white legends. I guss this is just a mistake in those images and the second ISO will have black legends?Yes good catch
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Post by: umberts on Sun, 08 March 2020, 08:08:50
Is it possible to add a ~` in the opposite colorway to the alphas? Or maybe even add a blue one in the 60s+ modifier kit? The blue one with grey alphas is a really nice touch.
Sorry to bother so much!
Post by: tominabox1 on Sun, 08 March 2020, 16:42:30
Post by: psxndc on Sun, 08 March 2020, 18:25:55
Post by: catbus on Mon, 09 March 2020, 03:48:34
Post by: nathanchere on Mon, 09 March 2020, 03:53:13
Post by: tominabox1 on Fri, 13 March 2020, 13:45:24
Post by: umberts on Fri, 13 March 2020, 15:04:19
Hey folks! We've taken some suggestions and implemented a number of them, feel free to review the kits again one last time. We're also happy to announce we'll be having a yellow accent kit as well! No pricing on this yet. We'll keep you posted! April will be here before we know it!
Love everything you've done, will be in for grey alphas (with the blue tilde <3 ), 60s modifiers and yellow accent kit!
Thank you once again!
Post by: psxndc on Fri, 13 March 2020, 15:45:24
Hey folks! We've taken some suggestions and implemented a number of them, feel free to review the kits again one last time. We're also happy to announce we'll be having a yellow accent kit as well! No pricing on this yet. We'll keep you posted! April will be here before we know it!You did the R2 FN *and* the R2 novelty? *Dies, goes to heaven* THANK YOU!!!
Post by: pott on Fri, 13 March 2020, 16:15:09
I'll likely be ordering a couple of kits of these. I love the KAT prices and increased options overall.
Now to ACTUALLY, hopefully, manage to try KAT before then... seems unlikely.
Post by: outerspace on Fri, 13 March 2020, 20:39:38
Post by: sevenseacat on Sat, 14 March 2020, 10:46:49
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 14 March 2020, 11:57:44
Holy **** I can buy *just* a Colemak alphas kit, without needing to buy alphas + extra Colevrak kit with a million extra keys for different layouts. I'm in just because of that.This is WHY KAT/KAM are the coolest things out there as far as keycap profiles. And it's not even the profile. Just the simple fact that moq is based on 1u and not quantity of sets.
Post by: swingkat on Sun, 15 March 2020, 06:44:35
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Mon, 16 March 2020, 04:00:27
Post by: tominabox1 on Mon, 16 March 2020, 08:10:35
Is there no estimate for accents kit yet?
Correct.
Post by: umberts on Tue, 17 March 2020, 18:27:30
Is there no estimate for accents kit yet?
Correct.
Sad panda is sad!
Post by: piit79 on Wed, 18 March 2020, 15:17:03
Can't wait for April!
Post by: equalunique on Thu, 19 March 2020, 19:56:24
Post by: harlekein on Fri, 20 March 2020, 05:22:13
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 20 March 2020, 21:47:17
(https://i.imgur.com/3OeKvXe.png)
Post by: tominabox1 on Fri, 20 March 2020, 22:47:13
Are all the blanks in the Spacebars kit convex?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/3OeKvXe.png)
Yes!
Post by: rondg on Fri, 20 March 2020, 23:22:17
Post by: umberts on Thu, 26 March 2020, 05:24:27
Is everything still happening? Please I need a good news :D
Post by: riterdando on Thu, 26 March 2020, 05:34:55
Love that board, would like to get one.
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Post by: catbus on Thu, 26 March 2020, 06:59:59
Is there a way to purchase a Hyper7, PCB and case?
Love that board, would like to get one.
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Not for sale at the moment, but mechboards.co.uk is going to be running an R3 soon. You can sign up for a notification here: https://groupbuys.mechboards.co.uk/shop/hyper-7-keyboard-r3-coming-soon/ (https://groupbuys.mechboards.co.uk/shop/hyper-7-keyboard-r3-coming-soon/)
Post by: nasp on Mon, 30 March 2020, 10:38:06
Post by: tominabox1 on Mon, 30 March 2020, 10:39:33
Edit- looks like our shots for the accent kit actually have all 3 small bars as 2u. I will look into what those should be.
Wednesday is almost here!
Post by: tominabox1 on Mon, 30 March 2020, 21:38:05
(https://i.imgur.com/fFyboUD.png)
Post by: outerspace on Mon, 30 March 2020, 21:49:46
We've revised the yellow kit for more useful small bars... 2 days left!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fFyboUD.png)
Any last minute chance for a yellow R5 ESC?
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 31 March 2020, 05:21:48
We've revised the yellow kit for more useful small bars... 2 days left!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fFyboUD.png)
You might want to drop the 1.75u spacebar, seeing as it's only used on three boards (Vortex Core, Daisy, JD40), one of which actually requires two such spacebars. This would save you three keys in total across the set.
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 31 March 2020, 11:07:11
We've revised the yellow kit for more useful small bars... 2 days left!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fFyboUD.png)
Any last minute chance for a yellow R5 ESC?
Fixed that for ya bud.
Post by: fatmcgav on Tue, 31 March 2020, 12:29:15
And as I'm UK based a UK ISO set?
Cheers
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Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 31 March 2020, 12:32:10
So am I right in thinking that for a Corne (helidox / crkbd) build, I'd need an alpha's set and an ortho's set?
And as I'm UK based a UK ISO set?
Cheers
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Yes, alpha and ortho should cover you. As far as ISO goes, I'm not sure it applies to a corne but it might depending on how you have your board set up.
Post by: fatmcgav on Tue, 31 March 2020, 12:42:16
Ah, that's a good point... No num row to worry about etc...So am I right in thinking that for a Corne (helidox / crkbd) build, I'd need an alpha's set and an ortho's set?
And as I'm UK based a UK ISO set?
Cheers
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Yes, alpha and ortho should cover you. As far as ISO goes, I'm not sure it applies to a corne but it might depending on how you have your board set up.
Sorry, still new to this whole ortho keyboard thing...
Post by: tominabox1 on Tue, 31 March 2020, 17:08:09
Post by: Gert Fischer on Sun, 05 April 2020, 13:51:09
Post by: eskimojo on Sun, 05 April 2020, 14:35:52
the 2u keycaps on the top row of the hyper7 kit, are do they mount on a stabiliser and one switch, or on two switches without a stab?
They use a stabiliser for each ;)