Post by: raz on Sun, 26 April 2020, 11:53:42
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Link to Discord server (https://discord.gg/GdJZHx8kMU)
raz.works (https://raz.works)
Last Update!
So, this will be the last update. The 15th of December GMK Avanguardia is going live on
EU: Candykeys (https://candykeys.com)
USA: Vala Supply (https://vala.supply)
Asia: iLumkb (https://ilumkb.com/iLumkb)
Australia: Switchkeys (https://www.switchkeys.com.au/)
Canada: Deskhero (https://www.deskhero.ca/)
It's been a long journey but we're finally here! Thank you all for the support and critiques - you helped me a lot guys!
Below are posted all the new renders and the new kits. Beside that, I worked on a website about the projects I'm working on: raz.works (https://raz.works) and started a Discord server (https://discord.gg/GdJZHx8kMU).
If you're Italian, there's this Discord server (https://discord.gg/ft8VMe5EVj) where I practically developed the whole set with the help of the Italian community.
I'm going to setup the Geekhack GB post with all the fuzz soon!
Thank you all again for the support bois <3
PS: this is the GMK Box i designed. I hope GMK can print the inside of it.
(https://i.imgur.com/pB0FdhW.jpg)
NEW KITS!
Minimalistico
(https://i.imgur.com/5CYP2mc.jpg)
Figure e Forme
(https://i.imgur.com/TKNP1Fw.jpg)
Alternativo
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLhCIBa.jpg)
Striscia
(https://i.imgur.com/lHf4lM3.jpg)
Milleottocento
(https://i.imgur.com/wreBzhn.jpg)
40Per100
(https://i.imgur.com/PSS3zC5.jpg)
Linee
(https://i.imgur.com/CPSfTG7.jpg)
Deskmats:
Those are designed to be standard 900x400mm!
(https://i.imgur.com/bpvCFbo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FZLM9Ce.jpg)
Keyboards Renders
I did all the renders here, i am still learning so don't be too much picky ;D
Latest Renders
(https://i.imgur.com/IhTbk5W.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VOma5MA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xLo0H6N.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NEFejvm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JOkHsQt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IyeW7nl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TtIWZaZ.jpg)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/772768371884294145/789103327501484082/7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8d6PIMg.jpg)
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You can copy paste the code below to support this set!
Link to Discord server (https://discord.gg/GdJZHx8kMU)
raz.works (https://raz.works)
Last Update!
So, this will be the last update. The 15th of December GMK Avanguardia is going live on
EU: Candykeys (https://candykeys.com)
USA: Vala Supply (https://vala.supply)
Asia: iLumkb (https://ilumkb.com/iLumkb)
Australia: Switchkeys (https://www.switchkeys.com.au/)
Canada: Deskhero (https://www.deskhero.ca/)
It's been a long journey but we're finally here! Thank you all for the support and critiques - you helped me a lot guys!
Below are posted all the new renders and the new kits. Beside that, I worked on a website about the projects I'm working on: raz.works (https://raz.works) and started a Discord server (https://discord.gg/GdJZHx8kMU).
If you're Italian, there's this Discord server (https://discord.gg/ft8VMe5EVj) where I practically developed the whole set with the help of the Italian community.
I'm going to setup the Geekhack GB post with all the fuzz soon!
Thank you all again for the support bois <3
PS: this is the GMK Box i designed. I hope GMK can print the inside of it.
(https://i.imgur.com/pB0FdhW.jpg)
NEW KITS!
Minimalistico
(https://i.imgur.com/5CYP2mc.jpg)
Figure e Forme
(https://i.imgur.com/TKNP1Fw.jpg)
Alternativo
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLhCIBa.jpg)
Striscia
(https://i.imgur.com/lHf4lM3.jpg)
Milleottocento
(https://i.imgur.com/wreBzhn.jpg)
40Per100
(https://i.imgur.com/PSS3zC5.jpg)
Linee
(https://i.imgur.com/CPSfTG7.jpg)
Deskmats:
Those are designed to be standard 900x400mm!
(https://i.imgur.com/bpvCFbo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/FZLM9Ce.jpg)
Keyboards Renders
I did all the renders here, i am still learning so don't be too much picky ;D
Latest Renders
(https://i.imgur.com/IhTbk5W.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VOma5MA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xLo0H6N.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NEFejvm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JOkHsQt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IyeW7nl.jpg)
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/772768371884294145/789103327501484082/7.jpg)
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Hello Geekhack Community!
I am Raz, a web designer from Italy and I would like to present you my first keycap set project!
Quarantine here in Italy gave me the opportunity to develop some ideas that I had been dragging for some time.
I partnered up with my friend and designer Johnnymalandra and came up with the idea of GMK Avanguardia:
I chose an italian word that, as you can guess corresponds to "Avant-guard" or "Vanguard",
referring to all those extreme, daring and innovative artists with a futuristic sight capable of anticipating their times.
I have seen that sets featuring themes related to modern pop culture have always been appreciated, so I thought, why not pay respect to a great artist who influenced it the most in shapes and colors.
More than content, this set draws its inspiration from Kandinsky's words:
"Art goes beyond the limits in which time would like to compress it, and indicates the content in the future"
The Color Palette
(https://i.imgur.com/r1Pl3t8.jpg)
We especially referred to Vasilij Vasil’evič Kandinskij and
this painting to get the inspiration for the novelties:
(https://i.imgur.com/ND7672H.png)
We wanted to give our concept a more personal interpretation by using a palette oriented towards the tech world and so the result is down here!
I would like to thank all my friends from the ClickyClackClub Italian community for the support they showed me and Johnnymalandra for the awesome artworks!
Nasu by crusader_alex
(https://i.imgur.com/YipyreF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hBWD8Eq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vP7XGjg.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TYp2NHo.jpg)
Mega by Keebwerk
(https://i.imgur.com/fc4QNzV.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/7S8DPn4.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/BEWrqIT.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/kWm3LPV.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/MJmnpF1.png)
TKC MOLLY
(https://i.imgur.com/iOanoCU.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/EHqido1.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/bgZH4TA.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/uv1EJuj.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Tp9cKYS.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/zzH5j2b.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/kfSpipi.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/eKxDVaV.png)
Rama U80
(https://i.imgur.com/scIxPVL.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/7hJv7pS.png)
Vendors:
EU: Candykeys (https://candykeys.com)
USA: Vala Supply (https://vala.supply)
Asia: iLumkb (https://ilumkb.com/iLumkb)
Australia: Switchkeys (https://www.switchkeys.com.au/)
Canada: Deskhero (https://www.deskhero.ca/)
UPDATES
June 11
- Updated the 40s kit leaving out the 1.75 spacebar support and adding magenta 1u Esc and Enter keys
- Updated the spacebar kit dropping the 1.75 spacebar support
June 9
- We have a canadian proxy! Thank you Deskhero!
- We have an asian proxy! Thank you iLumkb!
- Edited 40s and Spacebars | The 40s now have 2x2u and 2x1.75u spacebars
- Proposing an Alternate set with dark number row and additional tab. With this one plus the base you would fill two keyboards. I am testing this up and getting feedbacks on the IC Form. This is the kit:
(https://i.imgur.com/jA590e7.png)
COLORS
I read a lot of concerns about color contrast and Violet Tendencies similarities.
I've uploaded an imgur album with some renders of Violet Tendencies mods and my alphas/mods in different light conditions:
imgur album with contrasts and gmk tendencies mods (https://imgur.com/a/9x8lDK8)
TLDR:
(https://i.imgur.com/LKc9Ard.png)
I made this render cause people is concerned about GMK Avanguardia sharing the same GMK Nightshade's palette. In this image you can check GMK colors CR, N9 and NY:
(https://i.imgur.com/tiqEzj9.png)
Thanks to
ClickyClackClub Italian community,
David from Candykeys
Keycap Designers discord community!
I am going to update this post with changelogs and new renders soon :)
Remember to fillout the IC form, it would help me a lot!
I am Raz, a web designer from Italy and I would like to present you my first keycap set project!
Quarantine here in Italy gave me the opportunity to develop some ideas that I had been dragging for some time.
I partnered up with my friend and designer Johnnymalandra and came up with the idea of GMK Avanguardia:
I chose an italian word that, as you can guess corresponds to "Avant-guard" or "Vanguard",
referring to all those extreme, daring and innovative artists with a futuristic sight capable of anticipating their times.
I have seen that sets featuring themes related to modern pop culture have always been appreciated, so I thought, why not pay respect to a great artist who influenced it the most in shapes and colors.
More than content, this set draws its inspiration from Kandinsky's words:
"Art goes beyond the limits in which time would like to compress it, and indicates the content in the future"
The Color Palette
(https://i.imgur.com/r1Pl3t8.jpg)
We especially referred to Vasilij Vasil’evič Kandinskij and
this painting to get the inspiration for the novelties:
(https://i.imgur.com/ND7672H.png)
We wanted to give our concept a more personal interpretation by using a palette oriented towards the tech world and so the result is down here!
I would like to thank all my friends from the ClickyClackClub Italian community for the support they showed me and Johnnymalandra for the awesome artworks!
Nasu by crusader_alex
(https://i.imgur.com/YipyreF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hBWD8Eq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vP7XGjg.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TYp2NHo.jpg)
Mega by Keebwerk
(https://i.imgur.com/fc4QNzV.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/7S8DPn4.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/BEWrqIT.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/kWm3LPV.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/MJmnpF1.png)
TKC MOLLY
(https://i.imgur.com/iOanoCU.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/EHqido1.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/bgZH4TA.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/uv1EJuj.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Tp9cKYS.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/zzH5j2b.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/kfSpipi.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/eKxDVaV.png)
Rama U80
(https://i.imgur.com/scIxPVL.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/7hJv7pS.png)
Vendors:
EU: Candykeys (https://candykeys.com)
USA: Vala Supply (https://vala.supply)
Asia: iLumkb (https://ilumkb.com/iLumkb)
Australia: Switchkeys (https://www.switchkeys.com.au/)
Canada: Deskhero (https://www.deskhero.ca/)
UPDATES
June 11
- Updated the 40s kit leaving out the 1.75 spacebar support and adding magenta 1u Esc and Enter keys
- Updated the spacebar kit dropping the 1.75 spacebar support
June 9
- We have a canadian proxy! Thank you Deskhero!
- We have an asian proxy! Thank you iLumkb!
- Edited 40s and Spacebars | The 40s now have 2x2u and 2x1.75u spacebars
- Proposing an Alternate set with dark number row and additional tab. With this one plus the base you would fill two keyboards. I am testing this up and getting feedbacks on the IC Form. This is the kit:
(https://i.imgur.com/jA590e7.png)
COLORS
I read a lot of concerns about color contrast and Violet Tendencies similarities.
I've uploaded an imgur album with some renders of Violet Tendencies mods and my alphas/mods in different light conditions:
imgur album with contrasts and gmk tendencies mods (https://imgur.com/a/9x8lDK8)
TLDR:
(https://i.imgur.com/LKc9Ard.png)
I made this render cause people is concerned about GMK Avanguardia sharing the same GMK Nightshade's palette. In this image you can check GMK colors CR, N9 and NY:
(https://i.imgur.com/tiqEzj9.png)
Thanks to
ClickyClackClub Italian community,
David from Candykeys
Keycap Designers discord community!
I am going to update this post with changelogs and new renders soon :)
Remember to fillout the IC form, it would help me a lot!
Here's the geekhack signature banner for GMK Avanguardia:
(https://i.imgur.com/wOwCmfC.jpg)
You can copy paste the code below to support this set!
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[url=https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105981.0][img]https://i.imgur.com/wOwCmfC.jpg[/img][/url]Post by: CandyKeys on Sun, 26 April 2020, 11:55:06
Post by: MaKrum on Sun, 26 April 2020, 11:56:08
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Post by: fedemito on Sun, 26 April 2020, 11:57:02
Post by: toastyAU on Sun, 26 April 2020, 12:00:12
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Post by: MaKrum on Sun, 26 April 2020, 12:32:10
Renders look ridiculous
I think they are pretty decent considering that they are the result of his firt attempt with render
Post by: jani80k on Sun, 26 April 2020, 12:33:49
It was meant in a positive way LOLRenders look ridiculous
I think they are pretty decent considering that they are the result of his firt approach with render
Post by: Vyndem on Sun, 26 April 2020, 12:33:55
Post by: MaKrum on Sun, 26 April 2020, 12:37:04
It was meant in a positive way LOLRenders look ridiculous
I think they are pretty decent considering that they are the result of his firt approach with render
in this case I completely agree with you
Post by: Ulliam on Sun, 26 April 2020, 12:39:53
Post by: jestemfranklin on Sun, 26 April 2020, 12:48:55
Post by: sourmk on Sun, 26 April 2020, 12:49:30
Post by: Bits on Sun, 26 April 2020, 12:50:04
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Post by: zekth on Sun, 26 April 2020, 12:50:21
Why 2 B in the base kit? and not into the 40kit? as in the alice layout you need those spacebars.
Post by: Scucka on Sun, 26 April 2020, 12:56:27
Post by: Pach on Sun, 26 April 2020, 13:04:21
Post by: KaosJ on Sun, 26 April 2020, 13:07:24
On some pics is hard to tell if it's a real photo or a render, good work :thumb:
Post by: raz on Sun, 26 April 2020, 13:14:51
I am going to update the post with the color palette as i missed that in the first place!
You might wanna fix the renders for the base kit. You have 'F', 'G', and '5' as the barred homing keys instead of 'F', 'J, and' 5'Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200426/47ecc786eb73030f39db1bab4d1cec45.jpg)
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Eagle Eye! Thanks, i am going to fix and update the post!
Definitely not into the colorscheme but novelties are cool and really fit the theme.
Why 2 B in the base kit? and not into the 40kit? as in the alice layout you need those spacebars.
If i did the math right, you can put the base kit on the Alice layout by using shifts instead of spacebars :)
For any questions i am here! I am just working on more renders with different lights temperature!
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Sun, 26 April 2020, 13:18:29
Post by: zekth on Sun, 26 April 2020, 13:23:38
Definitely not into the colorscheme but novelties are cool and really fit the theme.
Why 2 B in the base kit? and not into the 40kit? as in the alice layout you need those spacebars.
If i did the math right, you can put the base kit on the Alice layout by using shifts instead of spacebars :)
For any questions i am here! I am just working on more renders with different lights temperature!
With this logic you can replace the second B with any non used R4 1U key :-X
Post by: krautcat on Sun, 26 April 2020, 13:32:30
Also see in the forties 1.5U Enter key but no 1.5U Tab key. As owner of forty board with uncommon staggering I would like to see 1.5U R3 Tab key in this kit.
Post by: MaKrum on Sun, 26 April 2020, 13:39:18
Definitely not into the colorscheme but novelties are cool and really fit the theme.
Why 2 B in the base kit? and not into the 40kit? as in the alice layout you need those spacebars.
If i did the math right, you can put the base kit on the Alice layout by using shifts instead of spacebars :)
With this logic you can replace the second B with any non used R4 1U key :-X
I think he puts 'B' in the base kit so people are not forced to pay more buying the 40s kit.
if you want to put on an alice the spacebar instead of shift you can buy the 40s but you also have to buy the base kit so isn't really important where you put 'B'
Post by: raz on Sun, 26 April 2020, 13:43:17
Definitely not into the colorscheme but novelties are cool and really fit the theme.
Why 2 B in the base kit? and not into the 40kit? as in the alice layout you need those spacebars.
If i did the math right, you can put the base kit on the Alice layout by using shifts instead of spacebars :)
For any questions i am here! I am just working on more renders with different lights temperature!
With this logic you can replace the second B with any non used R4 1U key :-X
You're right, you can always buy the base so you have the right Alphas and get the spacebars or 40s to get the spacebars 😊
I think it's a good "cheap" addon to a base kit!
i'm into the keyset because of inspirations and references but... colors. What?
Also see in the forties 1.5U Enter key but no 1.5U Tab key. As owner of forty board with uncommon staggering I would like to see 1.5U R3 Tab key in this kit.
I am all in for advices about the 40s kit! I know there are a lot of layouts and i am not really in ortho/40s keyboards. Can you send me a KLE layout or just a pic of your keyboard?
Post by: krautcat on Sun, 26 April 2020, 13:52:57
I am all in for advice about the 40s kit! I know there are a lot of layouts and i am not really in ortho/40s keyboards. Can you send me a KLE layout or just a pic of your keyboard?I own Pearl keyboard (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92259.0).
Also I want to discuss the colors.
Why did you choose such horrendous and disgusting color palette (in the context of art and especially Kandinskij) for the set? Why black and violet if suprematists didn't use this colors? So your inspiration and references I see only in novelties. I really into suprematism and neoplasticism. And, for example, GMK Mondrian (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86616.0) made it better. I really feel his works thorugh the set. But there's no such vibe through the main part of the set, the colors.
The colors. If I wanted interesting black'n violet set, I would like to buy GMK Rouge, for example. It's interesting set with colors in the spirit of it. But such color combination in this set is hard no for me.
Post by: Italian_T3ddy_v2 on Sun, 26 April 2020, 13:59:54
Post by: DrHigsby on Sun, 26 April 2020, 14:23:54
Now I’m not one of those people to say you can’t use a similar color palette as a set that has been run before. I’m disappointed because the color appears to have nothing to do with your stated inspiration. The inspiration painting posted in your OP is full of reds, oranges, and yellows. There is no purple.
In terms of overall design, your deskpads, novelties, and T-shirts look really great! I hope you find traction simply because there is obvious inspiration and dedication placed into your work.
Post by: MaKrum on Sun, 26 April 2020, 14:30:34
I am all in for advice about the 40s kit! I know there are a lot of layouts and i am not really in ortho/40s keyboards. Can you send me a KLE layout or just a pic of your keyboard?I own Pearl keyboard (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92259.0).
Also I want to discuss the colors.
Why did you choose such horrendous and disgusting color palette (in the context of art and especially Kandinskij) for the set? Why black and violet if suprematists didn't use this colors? So your inspiration and references I see only in novelties. I really into suprematism and neoplasticism. And, for example, GMK Mondrian (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86616.0) made it better. I really feel his works thorugh the set. But there's no such vibe through the main part of the set, the colors.
The colors. If I wanted interesting black'n violet set, I would like to buy GMK Rouge, for example. It's interesting set with colors in the spirit of it. But such color combination in this set is hard no for me.
I think he is free to choose any colore he wants, Avant-guard is an art movement, not a simple palette
Post by: alper_maestro on Sun, 26 April 2020, 14:44:09
Post by: krautcat on Sun, 26 April 2020, 15:23:27
I think he is free to choose any colore he wants, Avant-guard is an art movement, not a simple palette
It doesn't answer why this colors were chosen.
I much love the idea behind the set and everything here. Novelties (but it's subject to discuss, for me they're quite straightforward), deskmats, kits' content, ever T-Shirts. Except colors.
Maybe designer decided to choose this colors after Kandinskij's theory of color (http://sonnetsincolour.org/2015/07/kandinsky-on-the-inner-meanings-of-colours/). But... I don't know. I don't want to fill in the blanks.
I see the base kit and try to think is there any background behind this palette what can explain the choice. I try to see any reference in base kit and don't get them.
It's really frustrate felling about the colors.
Post by: MaKrum on Sun, 26 April 2020, 15:30:43
I think he is free to choose any colore he wants, Avant-guard is an art movement, not a simple palette
It doesn't answer why this colors were chosen.
I much love the idea behind the set and everything here. Novelties (but it's subject to discuss, for me they're quite straightforward), deskmats, kits' content, ever T-Shirts. Except colors.
Maybe designer decided to choose this colors after Kandinskij's theory of color (http://sonnetsincolour.org/2015/07/kandinsky-on-the-inner-meanings-of-colours/). But... I don't know. I don't want to fill in the blanks.
I see the base kit and try to think is there any background behind this palette what can explain the choice. I try to see any reference in base kit and don't get them.
It's really frustrate felling about the colors.
I understand what you mean, the set is a little bit too much novelties based probably
Post by: raz on Sun, 26 April 2020, 15:43:09
Wow man those novelties and deskmats are awesome! And the renders are insane, keep it up :D
I am all in for advice about the 40s kit! I know there are a lot of layouts and i am not really in ortho/40s keyboards. Can you send me a KLE layout or just a pic of your keyboard?I own Pearl keyboard (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92259.0).
Also I want to discuss the colors.
Why did you choose such horrendous and disgusting color palette (in the context of art and especially Kandinskij) for the set? Why black and violet if suprematists didn't use this colors? So your inspiration and references I see only in novelties. I really into suprematism and neoplasticism. And, for example, GMK Mondrian (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86616.0) made it better. I really feel his works thorugh the set. But there's no such vibe through the main part of the set, the colors.
The colors. If I wanted interesting black'n violet set, I would like to buy GMK Rouge, for example. It's interesting set with colors in the spirit of it. But such color combination in this set is hard no for me.
I think he is free to choose any colore he wants, Avant-guard is an art movement, not a simple palette
Ok guys i think i have to address some valid points!
I take note of your considerations which I respect but do not agree with.
Like you other people have pointed out the lack of correspondence between the palette used and the reference shown: I want to clarify that we were inspired by the general work of Kandinskij by studying his symbolism and traits. We found those were very interesting for us to use in the novelties: "modernity and minimalism suitable for product needs such as a keyboard".
We wanted to give our concept a more personal interpretation by using a palette oriented towards the tech world, always keeping in mind our targets and marketing purposes.
I close my message by saying that as a community and as designers we cannot limit ourselves to mathematically translating what we see into keyset concepts. By doing this we will make a run on who chose the best theme or pic or palette first. By saying this i want to answer to all the critics about the palette choice: if we stop using hues already used in other sets, we can stop doing keysets. The color psychology and its principles is not changing anytime soon and so the Itten Wheel.
EDIT: i am not a native speaker, so pardon me for every error i made! I don't want to sound "harsh", this is just the way we worked out the design of the set :)
Maybe we had to clarify this on the OP!
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 26 April 2020, 15:46:36
I don’t love the keyset but I do love the mats and tshirts!
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Agreed! The merch is quite nice. Keyset doesn't reflect the artwork to me. Not sure how it could. But I wish you the best!
Post by: iaman on Sun, 26 April 2020, 16:32:32
Post by: mcRewind on Sun, 26 April 2020, 16:35:56
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 26 April 2020, 16:57:49
Post by: MrCoolPants on Sun, 26 April 2020, 17:37:14
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Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 26 April 2020, 18:02:19
Post by: raz on Sun, 26 April 2020, 18:21:36
What's the dark grey color? How does it compare to CR black or N9 grey?
The alpha and mod colors are more like Gmk Dracula mods! A really dark gray with a indigo bluish tone.
I am going to post the color palette anyway!
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 26 April 2020, 18:43:03
What's the dark grey color? How does it compare to CR black or N9 grey?
The alpha and mod colors are more like Gmk Dracula mods! A really dark gray with a indigo bluish tone.
I am going to post the color palette anyway!
Neat. I went back to the source and looked at the colors more. Need to think about a board for this...
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 26 April 2020, 18:52:12
Post by: ThereminGoat on Sun, 26 April 2020, 19:19:49
Wow man those novelties and deskmats are awesome! And the renders are insane, keep it up :DI am all in for advice about the 40s kit! I know there are a lot of layouts and i am not really in ortho/40s keyboards. Can you send me a KLE layout or just a pic of your keyboard?I own Pearl keyboard (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92259.0).
Also I want to discuss the colors.
Why did you choose such horrendous and disgusting color palette (in the context of art and especially Kandinskij) for the set? Why black and violet if suprematists didn't use this colors? So your inspiration and references I see only in novelties. I really into suprematism and neoplasticism. And, for example, GMK Mondrian (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86616.0) made it better. I really feel his works thorugh the set. But there's no such vibe through the main part of the set, the colors.
The colors. If I wanted interesting black'n violet set, I would like to buy GMK Rouge, for example. It's interesting set with colors in the spirit of it. But such color combination in this set is hard no for me.
I think he is free to choose any colore he wants, Avant-guard is an art movement, not a simple palette
Ok guys i think i have to address some valid points!
I take note of your considerations which I respect but do not agree with.
Like you other people have pointed out the lack of correspondence between the palette used and the reference shown: I want to clarify that we were inspired by the general work of Kandinskij by studying his symbolism and traits. We found those were very interesting for us to use in the novelties: "modernity and minimalism suitable for product needs such as a keyboard".
We wanted to give our concept a more personal interpretation by using a palette oriented towards the tech world, always keeping in mind our targets and marketing purposes.
I close my message by saying that as a community and as designers we cannot limit ourselves to mathematically translating what we see into keyset concepts. By doing this we will make a run on who chose the best theme or pic or palette first. By saying this i want to answer to all the critics about the palette choice: if we stop using hues already used in other sets, we can stop doing keysets. The color psychology and its principles is not changing anytime soon and so the Itten Wheel.
EDIT: i am not a native speaker, so pardon me for every error i made! I don't want to sound "harsh", this is just the way we worked out the design of the set :)
Maybe we had to clarify this on the OP!
I recognize I may be beating a dead horse here a bit (all pun intended) given the criticisms that other individuals have pointed out already but there are a few issues I see with 'theme/design':
1. Avant Garde isn't an art movement Kandinsky is associated with. Kandinsky was much more well known for his German Expressionist style works.
2. Of these works, and works in the same vein as his later period which he is more known for, none of which share this color palette as his primary basis. Most of them are at least colors "on white" (A second art pun in the same response)
3. Nothing about German Expressionism was centered around minimalism nor a simplification of the reality of things. In fact, this feels almost an opposite of the concept of expressionism.
4. Basing a set on a famous German Expressionist and *not* including a horse novelty is at the least just further strengthening the disconnect between this and the "source inspiration"
5. In Kandinsky's own words, which you quoted in the original post, "Art goes beyond the limits in which time would like to compress it, and indicates the content in the future". How "minimalism and modernity" is drawn out of that quote into the novelties baffles me further.
Post by: outerspace on Sun, 26 April 2020, 20:19:31
Post by: AaronR on Sun, 26 April 2020, 20:58:10
Post by: raz on Mon, 27 April 2020, 03:27:26
I recognize I may be beating a dead horse here a bit (all pun intended) given the criticisms that other individuals have pointed out already but there are a few issues I see with 'theme/design':
1. Avant Garde isn't an art movement Kandinsky is associated with. Kandinsky was much more well known for his German Expressionist style works.
2. Of these works, and works in the same vein as his later period which he is more known for, none of which share this color palette as his primary basis. Most of them are at least colors "on white" (A second art pun in the same response)
3. Nothing about German Expressionism was centered around minimalism nor a simplification of the reality of things. In fact, this feels almost an opposite of the concept of expressionism.
4. Basing a set on a famous German Expressionist and *not* including a horse novelty is at the least just further strengthening the disconnect between this and the "source inspiration"
5. In Kandinsky's own words, which you quoted in the original post, "Art goes beyond the limits in which time would like to compress it, and indicates the content in the future". How "minimalism and modernity" is drawn out of that quote into the novelties baffles me further.
Abstractism is an Avant-garde movement. Like Futurism, dadaism, surrealism etc. I don't really get your point! We've got the novelties inspiration form his Bauhaus era :)
Kandinsky is Russian, not German - and he didn't live his life only producing expressionist art. We are not getting inspired by his early expressionist times as i stated before.
As for the color palettes: we are not copying, we are getting inspired by. Anyway, Kandinsky used the full palette in his paintings
We all can have different opinions and i am not here to discuss art, but i am glad the project gave you some points for a critique!
Post by: Waterdrinker on Mon, 27 April 2020, 08:57:19
Post by: dibkib on Mon, 27 April 2020, 11:39:21
Post by: factoryofidols on Mon, 27 April 2020, 12:03:00
Most of the issues people are expressing are because you claim inspiration from one thing but there is no way anyone would ever see that if you didn't claim it.
The deskmats are dope though.
Post by: raz on Mon, 27 April 2020, 12:32:43
The actual color palette of the set is fine if not a bit boring, but seriously just take down the reference painting at this point. It is just going to cause issues because you can't claim that was the source of inspiration when the palette isn't even close to similar.
Most of the issues people are expressing are because you claim inspiration from one thing but there is no way anyone would ever see that if you didn't claim it.
The deskmats are dope though.
Thanks for the support and advices! I am going to edit the OP and state better what we did with that picture :thumb:
Post by: equalunique on Mon, 27 April 2020, 13:52:17
I really like the novelties. Glad to see 2x2u & 4x1u R4C keycaps in the ortho/40s kit!
Post by: raz on Mon, 27 April 2020, 17:35:48
Great concept. Amazing renders. Cool extras!
I really like the novelties. Glad to see 2x2u & 4x1u R4C keycaps in the ortho/40s kit!
Thanks!
Anyway here's my first update trying to address some of your concerns (some of you asked on the ic form too):
the set is not using N9 from GMK, it doesn't have the same mod color of gmk violet tendencies.
Here you can see the difference in contrasts and colors with gmk violet tendencies:
(https://i.imgur.com/LKc9Ard.png)
https://imgur.com/a/9x8lDK8 (https://imgur.com/a/9x8lDK8) This is the link of the imgur album with a bit of different light conditions. If you have any more questions/concerns i am here to answer!
Post by: fransuso on Tue, 28 April 2020, 04:13:21
Post by: raz on Thu, 30 April 2020, 12:33:57
I'm so into this set!! I hope it makes it to the GB stage so it can become my first GMK set!!
Thank you!
UPDATE:
Updated the OP with new renders and the color comparison with violet tendencies
(https://i.imgur.com/uv1EJuj.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/EHqido1.png)
More to come!
I am getting some feedbacks about people wanting more pink/magenta in the base set and novelties. I am making some changes so you all can let me know if you would like some modifications to the kits!
Post by: elmo on Thu, 30 April 2020, 13:08:55
Thank you!
UPDATE:
Updated the OP with new renders and the color comparison with violet tendencies
More to come!
I am getting some feedbacks about people wanting more pink/magenta in the base set and novelties. I am making some changes so you all can let me know if you would like some modifications to the kits!
Just some advice:
You should show a few more renders of the set on keyboards in more neutral colors because that is what most people are going to use this set on.
Showing a keycap set on a bright glossy pink board takes away the viewers attention from the actual subject of the render (the keycaps) because the board itself is way too dominant in the picture.
A dark gray, silver or white board would work much better and would show the keycaps in a more realistic environment.
Post by: raz on Thu, 30 April 2020, 14:18:46
Thank you!
UPDATE:
Updated the OP with new renders and the color comparison with violet tendencies
More to come!
I am getting some feedbacks about people wanting more pink/magenta in the base set and novelties. I am making some changes so you all can let me know if you would like some modifications to the kits!
Just some advice:
You should show a few more renders of the set on keyboards in more neutral colors because that is what most people are going to use this set on.
Showing a keycap set on a bright glossy pink board takes away the viewers attention from the actual subject of the render (the keycaps) because the board itself is way too dominant in the picture.
A dark gray, silver or white board would work much better and would show the keycaps in a more realistic environment.
Gotcha ;)
The alice like is white/silver and black, the u80 is "dark" - i just wanted to give some examples with matched colors!
Anyway, here you go:
(https://i.imgur.com/Tp9cKYS.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/zzH5j2b.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/kfSpipi.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/eKxDVaV.png)
Post by: elmo on Thu, 30 April 2020, 15:25:32
Gotcha ;)
The alice like is white/silver and black, the u80 is "dark" - i just wanted to give some examples with matched colors!
Anyway, here you go:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Tp9cKYS.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zzH5j2b.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kfSpipi.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/eKxDVaV.png)
Oh those are great!
Makes the keycaps pop out much better :D
Post by: MaKrum on Thu, 30 April 2020, 15:35:03
Anyway, here you go:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Tp9cKYS.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zzH5j2b.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kfSpipi.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/eKxDVaV.png)
your renders are really top man
Post by: raz on Fri, 01 May 2020, 09:55:01
Link: https://discord.gg/QbzhKdS (https://discord.gg/QbzhKdS)
Post by: kw88 on Fri, 01 May 2020, 11:35:10
The only difference is colored number row and mono colored alphas and mods
In my opinion, these differences are very minor if we look at the whole sets
Moreover, Nightshade is set to gropbuy this June
GMK Nightshade - https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102474
Post by: raz on Fri, 01 May 2020, 12:39:10
I am not sure why to compare this to Violet Tendencies, since this set is GMK Nightshade
The only difference is colored number row and mono colored alphas and mods
In my opinion, these differences are very minor if we look at the whole sets
Moreover, Nightshade is set to gropbuy this June
GMK Nightshade - https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102474
Hey! I am getting feedbacks from the IC Form and people is worried about the color contrasts asking me the color comparison with Violet Tendencies, that's why i posted those renders :)
I did a fast render so you can see the differences in color palette and composition.
The color palette is different, the mood is different and the novelties/theme is really different!
(https://i.imgur.com/tiqEzj9.png)
Thanks for the feedback anyway!
Post by: Scucka on Fri, 01 May 2020, 13:00:53
I am not sure why to compare this to Violet Tendencies, since this set is GMK NightshadeIt doesen't look at all like nightshade
The only difference is colored number row and mono colored alphas and mods
In my opinion, these differences are very minor if we look at the whole sets
Moreover, Nightshade is set to gropbuy this June
GMK Nightshade - https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102474
Post by: alper_maestro on Fri, 01 May 2020, 14:55:30
Post by: raz on Fri, 01 May 2020, 15:01:04
I think more pink and white caps (such as the white deskmat looks) would be a great addition, maybe as an extra kit so that you can combine it.
Working on it! Wait for it :D
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 06 May 2020, 13:54:35
Base KitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/oMKPFaL.jpg)
Some possible kitting improvements for your consideration:
- The R1 End and PgDn keys should be dark, not light purple, since they're intended to be used on the F row (1800/CP/96-key layouts).
- The dark purple R1 \| can be removed (not useful since the entire number row is light purple).
- The second R4 1u Ctrl key can be removed (pretty much zero modern layouts use 2× 1u Ctrl).
- R4 \| should be replaced with R4 <> to avoid duplicate legends (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90706.msg2894820#msg2894820).
- The second B should be moved to the spacebars kit since that's where the 2.75u, 2.25u and 2u space keys are.
- I suggest using Num and Scroll instead of Num↲Lock and Scroll↲Lock, respectively, for a cleaner look. Also, Print might be better than PrtSc.
- Similarly, I suggest removing all numpad sublegends to achieve a cleaner look on the numpad.
- This is down to personal preference, but consider changing Code to System/Sys or Super.
SpacebarsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/AHXkle6.jpg)
- This is way too many 6u spacebars, imo; two is more than enough. Either remove the light purple ones, or remove the off-centered ones.
- The 1.75u space key isn't useful (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104385.msg2899054#msg2899054) and as such can be removed.
40s KitShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/VVsuZhY.jpg)
- There are several duplicates here that I don't think are necessary. Namely, the second R3 1.5u Enter, the second R4 2u space, and two out of the four R4 1u spaces.
- If you want to support 1.75u space, this would be the place to put it. Two of them, actually, since the most popular 40% board that uses 1.75u spaces, the JD40, needs two of them.
Post by: raz on Wed, 06 May 2020, 16:27:00
I am reworking the base kit and already addressed some of yours considerations ( <> and \| for iso compatibility, for example )!
Thanks for all the suggestions!
You're right about the 1u bottom row madness, but i wanted to make the 40s kit "smaller" and to give more options to the people only buying the base kit! As for the B in the main kit: you can use the shifts instead of the spacebars yet having the right alphas for all the alice like keyboards out there. It's a "small" price for having a good base kit, but i get your suggestion : a cheap base kit is good!
Also reworking the numpad and the swapping "prtsc" legend for print
About the 40s kit: i am trying to figure out what to do. Maybe i have to ask help from the 40s community on discord!
Thanks again :) I'll post the update in the next few days!
Post by: KRY2SOON on Thu, 07 May 2020, 05:06:08
Post by: raz on Sun, 07 June 2020, 05:13:34
KITTING
I fixed the base kit, adding full support to 96 and 1800 keyboards, swapping iso keys and adding the loved magenta accent:
(https://i.imgur.com/FLnUwt9.jpg)
Added 1.75u spacebars to the 40s kit. This kit is not final, i am getting sure it covers everything without doubled or unused keys
(https://i.imgur.com/bVFyAfB.jpg)
Removed 1.75u from the space kit
(https://i.imgur.com/0zrJ4AS.jpg)
and for all of you asking me in the google form, i've added an alternative alpha kit in white:
(https://i.imgur.com/yEwkpNI.png)
MOUSEPADS
I've refined the mousepads! Added colored stitches and removed the Avanguardia logo. Size should be 900x400x3mm, but i am checking with the manufacturer all the possibilities and materials.
(https://i.imgur.com/P2zWlns.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/wyvpED5.png)
SOME RENDERS
This is a render with the white alpha and light mousepads. More render in the OP, more renders with different keyboards to come :)
(https://i.imgur.com/JHvIphh.png)
I am going to edit the IC Form with the new kits and mousepads soon™
Post by: depletedvespene on Sun, 07 June 2020, 08:56:37
I fixed the base kit, adding full support to 96 and 1800 keyboards, swapping iso keys and adding the loved magenta accent:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FrRIYap.jpg)
I don't mean to be a prick, but the change in the "ISO alphas" keys has taken a turn for the worse. In the initial kit, you had R3 \| and R4 \|, but you now have R3 <> and R4 #~, which is... incorrect in all lights. I'll detail:
In a nutshell, "ISO alphas":
- English (US), terminal style: R3 \|; R4 <>.
- English (US), PC style: R3 \|; R4 \| (this was what the initial kit had).
- (Full) English (UK): R1 `¬¦, 2", 3£, 4$€; R3 '@, #~; R4 \|.
- English (UK+US): R1 `¬¦, 2", 3£, 4$€; R3 '@, #~, \|; R4 \|.
- "Partial British support" (or "Atlantis ISO", although that term is now forbidden): R3 #~; R4 \|.
The kit, as it stands now, has one key from the terminal style (R4 <>) and one from either UK-intended set (R3 #~). I would suggest going with the terminal style; another option is to do what a couple sets have done and use:
- "Appeasement ISO": R3 #~, \|; R4 \| (three keys instead of two). This would cover "partial British" and "US, PC style" at the same time.
Post by: jeniverre on Sun, 07 June 2020, 09:27:30
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 07 June 2020, 09:59:53
The kit, as it stands now, has one key from the terminal style (R4 <>) and one from either UK-intended set (R3 #~). I would suggest going with the terminal style; another option is to do what a couple sets have done and use:
- "Appeasement ISO": R3 #~, \|; R4 \| (three keys instead of two). This would cover "partial British" and "US, PC style" at the same time.
+1 for terminal (R3 \|, R4 <>).
There are some usage stats here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vyY5EjTfzo6YXp_xwQYN_ffcoB0fXdNl8nc0WDteobs/edit?usp=sharing). It turns out that the R4 <> key is more common than all of those other keys (R3 #~, \|; R4 \|), so I would definitely keep it, just update the R3 key to \| to be in line with terminal style.
Post by: raz on Sun, 07 June 2020, 13:06:43
I fixed the base kit, adding full support to 96 and 1800 keyboards, swapping iso keys and adding the loved magenta accent:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FrRIYap.jpg)
I don't mean to be a prick, but the change in the "ISO alphas" keys has taken a turn for the worse. In the initial kit, you had R3 \| and R4 \|, but you now have R3 <> and R4 #~, which is... incorrect in all lights. I'll detail:
In a nutshell, "ISO alphas":
- English (US), terminal style: R3 \|; R4 <>.
- English (US), PC style: R3 \|; R4 \| (this was what the initial kit had).
- (Full) English (UK): R1 `¬¦, 2", 3£, 4$€; R3 '@, #~; R4 \|.
- English (UK+US): R1 `¬¦, 2", 3£, 4$€; R3 '@, #~, \|; R4 \|.
- "Partial British support" (or "Atlantis ISO", although that term is now forbidden): R3 #~; R4 \|.
The kit, as it stands now, has one key from the terminal style (R4 <>) and one from either UK-intended set (R3 #~). I would suggest going with the terminal style; another option is to do what a couple sets have done and use:
- "Appeasement ISO": R3 #~, \|; R4 \| (three keys instead of two). This would cover "partial British" and "US, PC style" at the same time.
Thanks man, i totally missed the ~#, it should've been |\ (terminal) :thumb:
The kit, as it stands now, has one key from the terminal style (R4 <>) and one from either UK-intended set (R3 #~). I would suggest going with the terminal style; another option is to do what a couple sets have done and use:
- "Appeasement ISO": R3 #~, \|; R4 \| (three keys instead of two). This would cover "partial British" and "US, PC style" at the same time.
+1 for terminal (R3 \|, R4 <>).
There are some usage stats here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vyY5EjTfzo6YXp_xwQYN_ffcoB0fXdNl8nc0WDteobs/edit?usp=sharing). It turns out that the R4 <> key is more common than all of those other keys (R3 #~, \|; R4 \|), so I would definitely keep it, just update the R3 key to \| to be in line with terminal style.
Totally this, i missed things during the editing. It's a pain working with Blender for the kits!
Is it too much if we ask for Alternativo with numrows? So we can still use it in a different layout/set? =)
I think it will go out of price, the kit is intended to be "cheap" as the base is pretty big
PS: Updated the op with the ISO Fix and the IC Form :)
Post by: alper_maestro on Mon, 08 June 2020, 03:19:28
Post by: raz on Mon, 08 June 2020, 13:29:18
The white Add-on kit looks cool and gives the set a different look.
Thank you! A lot of people asked for this in the IC Form and after a bit of looking at the set with white alpha, i liked it actually :)
The second more requested "feature" is a dark number row. I could add it to the base kit but it would be really big with all that keys.
What do you guys say?
This is a render of it:
(https://i.imgur.com/yhRMbNr.png)
I updated the IC Form so if you guys want this kit in the base or as an extra just let me know!
Post by: jeniverre on Mon, 08 June 2020, 13:53:52
Post by: raz on Mon, 08 June 2020, 14:01:19
What if you add that in base.. and have the numrow highlights in a separate kit or in the alternativo? 🙂
not what I've intended in the design process!
Numrow is definitely primary color key with white legend.
The dark numrow could be put in the Alternativo kit too. I just need feedbacks and number to follow up so i can get quotes from GMK :)
Post by: jeniverre on Mon, 08 June 2020, 16:53:42
The dark numrow could be put in the Alternativo kit too. I just need feedbacks and number to follow up so i can get quotes from GMK :)
I'm in for dark numrow in Alternativo kit :thumb:
Post by: alper_maestro on Tue, 09 June 2020, 03:06:09
The white Add-on kit looks cool and gives the set a different look.
Thank you! A lot of people asked for this in the IC Form and after a bit of looking at the set with white alpha, i liked it actually :)
The second more requested "feature" is a dark number row. I could add it to the base kit but it would be really big with all that keys.
What do you guys say?
This is a render of it:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yhRMbNr.png)
I updated the IC Form so if you guys want this kit in the base or as an extra just let me know!
If you don't want to push up the costs for the base set, I would not add it. But it depends on how many people are really interested in that also. Or you could add those in a different kit?
But I must say that it looks nice.
Post by: raz on Tue, 09 June 2020, 05:04:31
The white Add-on kit looks cool and gives the set a different look.
Thank you! A lot of people asked for this in the IC Form and after a bit of looking at the set with white alpha, i liked it actually :)
The second more requested "feature" is a dark number row. I could add it to the base kit but it would be really big with all that keys.
What do you guys say?
This is a render of it:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yhRMbNr.png)
I updated the IC Form so if you guys want this kit in the base or as an extra just let me know!
If you don't want to push up the costs for the base set, I would not add it. But it depends on how many people are really interested in that also. Or you could add those in a different kit?
But I must say that it looks nice.
So! I was thinking about putting the dark number row in the Alternativo kit with an extra dark TAB key. It will probably give the people the opportunity to cover 2 keyboards with 2 kits. I have to check it better but yeah, i think it's possible! Goint to try to render something these days
Post by: gex on Tue, 09 June 2020, 06:17:27
Post by: raz on Tue, 09 June 2020, 07:14:10
is it possible to add another 2u convex space to the 40s kit? 2x2u space is a thing in ortho world (planck, preonic, boardwalk, etc).
I dropped the second 2u for the two 1.75u but really i can put it back and leave the two 1u indacus spacebars. I think it's better having all the purple spacebars in the spacebar kit anyway!
I am going to update the OP with the fix!
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 09 June 2020, 08:16:46
is it possible to add another 2u convex space to the 40s kit? 2x2u space is a thing in ortho world (planck, preonic, boardwalk, etc).
I dropped the second 2u for the two 1.75u but really i can put it back and leave the two 1u indacus spacebars. I think it's better having all the purple spacebars in the spacebar kit anyway!
I am going to update the OP with the fix!
Fyi, only the following few 40% keyboards use 1.75u spacebars: Vortex Core (×1), JD40/45 (×2). This means that only a single keyboard uses two 1.75u bars. Imo, it's not worth including the second 1.75u key for this reason. I'd even go so far as to say that 1.75u bars aren't worth including at all.
As for the spacebar kit, I believe I've said this earlier, but four 6u spacebars is way too much (and I say that as a regular 6u spacebar user). You need one or, at most, two. Keep the centered and off-centered stem alpha-colored ones, and drop the rest.
Post by: wolfez4444 on Tue, 09 June 2020, 09:08:56
Post by: raz on Tue, 09 June 2020, 09:41:14
Fyi, only the following few 40% keyboards use 1.75u spacebars: Vortex Core (×1), Daisy (×1), JD40/45 (×2). This means that only a single keyboard uses two 1.75u bars. Imo, it's not worth including the second 1.75u key for this reason. I'd even go so far as to say that 1.75u bars aren't worth including at all.
As for the spacebar kit, I believe I've said this earlier, but four 6u spacebars is way too much (and I say that as a regular 6u spacebar user). You need one or, at most, two. Keep the centered and off-centered stem alpha-colored ones, and drop the rest.
Gotcha! I would keep the 1.75u space to be inclusive anyway:
40kit without the 1u indacus spaces, 2*2u spaces and 1*1.75u space.
(https://i.imgur.com/Qj7huN5.jpg)
Spacebar kit without the indacus 6u spaces but 6u dark spaces, 1.75u and 2*1u indacus spaces
(https://i.imgur.com/CaKimGV.jpg)
Alternativo kit with a second TAB and dark numrow. This with the base kit should cover 2 keyboards.
(https://i.imgur.com/jA590e7.png)
I love the deskmats!
Thanks man! Hope i will reach the GB stage to make them real eventually ;D
Post by: Butterbeer on Tue, 09 June 2020, 12:33:30
The artwork in the post threw me off because I assumed I would see colorway renders to match it.
After reading the post, technology is actually what inspired the colorway. Which now makes sense because it reminds me of Discord.
Post by: raz on Tue, 09 June 2020, 12:45:59
This post is confusing.
The artwork in the post threw me off because I assumed I would see colorway renders to match it.
After reading the post, technology is actually what inspired the colorway. Which now makes sense because it reminds me of Discord.
My english is not the best, so maybe i confused you with the description in the op!
Basically we've got inspired by the shapes of that picture in the op for the novelties and worked around a "more futuristic and tech" color palette around it.
I am glad it makes sense to you anyway :thumb:
Post by: jeniverre on Tue, 09 June 2020, 14:46:21
Post by: DrHigsby on Tue, 09 June 2020, 15:04:18
Edit: same with the spacebars kit.
Edit2: looks like Konstantin already raised this point a few posts above me.
Post by: raz on Tue, 09 June 2020, 15:20:54
the numbering of rows for alternativo is confusing.. numrows is r1 and qwerty should be r2, isn't it? Asdf is r3 and others down, r4..
You are totally right man, the copy paste slipped and i made some errors :) Fixed in the thread and OP, thank you!
You can drop the 1.75u spacebar from the 40s kit. The only 40% that I know of which uses a 1.75u spacebar is the JD45 and it needs two of them. It is also not a super common 40%.
Edit: same with the spacebars kit.
Edit2: looks like Konstantin already raised this point a few posts above me.
I've put one 1.75 spacebar in the 40s and one in the spacebars but i guess is not cheap as an option.
I mean if it's only for one or two keys i can add it to the 40s, it shouldn't be a problem price wise.
This should be correct:
(https://i.imgur.com/FDqxzMt.jpg)
What do you guys think?
Thank you for all you advices anyway :cool:
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Tue, 09 June 2020, 16:08:15
2021 GB? :3
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Post by: gex on Tue, 09 June 2020, 16:14:11
What do you guys think?
Thank you for all you advices anyway :cool:
thank you for adding the second 2u space! just to be sure those 2u spaces are all convex ones, right?
for me this is the best set of 2020 so i’m gonna definitely buy it.
Post by: raz on Tue, 09 June 2020, 16:26:06
Man this set is beautiful. It has purple so I approve.
2021 GB? :3
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Well, if number stacks up why not? 🐱👤
I am working on some more perks!
What do you guys think?
Thank you for all you advices anyway :cool:
thank you for adding the second 2u space! just to be sure those 2u spaces are all convex ones, right?
for me this is the best set of 2020 so i’m gonna definitely buy it.
Sure, convex 2u spaces. I think having a "complete" 40s is better even if more expensive.
Thank you for your support 💕
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 09 June 2020, 18:03:39
You can drop the 1.75u spacebar from the 40s kit. The only 40% that I know of which uses a 1.75u spacebar is the JD45 and it needs two of them. It is also not a super common 40%.
Edit: same with the spacebars kit.
Edit2: looks like Konstantin already raised this point a few posts above me.
I've put one 1.75 spacebar in the 40s and one in the spacebars but i guess is not cheap as an option.
I mean if it's only for one or two keys i can add it to the 40s, it shouldn't be a problem price wise.
This should be correct:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FDqxzMt.jpg)
What do you guys think?
Thank you for all you advices anyway :cool:
He's saying that you shouldn't include 1.75u at all, which I agree with, let alone include two of them. It's so rare that probably none of the people who buy this set are going to use that key. It also definitely shouldn't be included in the spacebars kit, since only 40% boards use it.
I would suggest removing it from the spacebars kit, removing the second one from the 40s kit, and if you really want to include one, you can keep one (and only one) in the 40s kit. Even then I'd argue that it isn't for covering existing boards, but rather for future-proofing the set against new boards that might come out using a 1.75u space.
Post by: DrHigsby on Tue, 09 June 2020, 20:26:24
You can drop the 1.75u spacebar from the 40s kit. The only 40% that I know of which uses a 1.75u spacebar is the JD45 and it needs two of them. It is also not a super common 40%.
Edit: same with the spacebars kit.
Edit2: looks like Konstantin already raised this point a few posts above me.
I've put one 1.75 spacebar in the 40s and one in the spacebars but i guess is not cheap as an option.
I mean if it's only for one or two keys i can add it to the 40s, it shouldn't be a problem price wise.
This should be correct:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FDqxzMt.jpg)
What do you guys think?
Thank you for all you advices anyway :cool:
He's saying that you shouldn't include 1.75u at all, which I agree with, let alone include two of them. It's so rare that probably none of the people who buy this set are going to use that key. It also definitely shouldn't be included in the spacebars kit, since only 40% boards use it.
I would suggest removing it from the spacebars kit, removing the second one from the 40s kit, and if you really want to include one, you can keep one (and only one) in the 40s kit. Even then I'd argue that it isn't for covering existing boards, but rather for future-proofing the set against new boards that might come out using a 1.75u space.
Yes. This is what I was trying to communicate. Remove all 1.75u spacebars. Most 40% boards being developed these days use the existing sizes already in common practice (2, 2.25, 2.75).
You will not make anyone in the 40% community sad by removing 1.75u spacebars. As is, purchasing the Latin kit and the 40% kit will cover many 40% layouts for a reasonable price (this is a very positive thing!).
Post by: DrHigsby on Tue, 09 June 2020, 20:27:52
Post by: vocal118 on Tue, 09 June 2020, 20:51:53
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Tue, 09 June 2020, 20:55:31
Jajajaja I need this set. Just keep it for 2021 and I’ll have a job and get a couple. :3Man this set is beautiful. It has purple so I approve.
2021 GB? :3
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Well, if number stacks up why not?
I am working on some more perks!What do you guys think?
Thank you for all you advices anyway :cool:
thank you for adding the second 2u space! just to be sure those 2u spaces are all convex ones, right?
for me this is the best set of 2020 so i’m gonna definitely buy it.
Sure, convex 2u spaces. I think having a "complete" 40s is better even if more expensive.
Thank you for your support
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Post by: Peripheral Prophet on Tue, 09 June 2020, 21:01:24
Post by: raz on Thu, 11 June 2020, 05:17:58
Based on the suggestions here i reworked the 40s and the spacebar kit:
40 per 100
- dropped support for 1.75u spacebars;
- added preonic and planck magenta esc and magenta enter - Thanks to gex to address this on Discord!;
Linee
- dropped support for 1.75u indacus spacebar;
Here are the kits, going to update the OP soon
(https://i.imgur.com/EXfdJq3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QEVlKpv.jpg)
EDIT:
I need numbers on the IC Form! Let me know if you have any suggestions or what you would buy or not!
I've updated the IC with a question about the dark numrow in the base, alternativo or extra kit.
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 11 June 2020, 07:29:27
Post by: DrHigsby on Thu, 11 June 2020, 12:15:05
First of all, thanks for the love guys :-*
Based on the suggestions here i reworked the 40s and the spacebar kit:
40 per 100
- dropped support for 1.75u spacebars;
- added preonic and planck magenta esc and magenta enter - Thanks to gex to address this on Discord!;
Linee
- dropped support for 1.75u indacus spacebar;
Here are the kits, going to update the OP soonShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/EXfdJq3.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QEVlKpv.jpg)
EDIT:
I need numbers on the IC Form! Let me know if you have any suggestions or what you would buy or not!
I've updated the IC with a question about the dark numrow in the base, alternativo or extra kit.
Despite the fact that R4 enter and R3 esc are the “default” layout options for Planck and preonic, it is not the popular placement for those keys. Most Planck and preonic users (that I know anyway) still use esc on R2 and enter on R3.
In my opinion, you should drop the magenta accent keys altogether. This is a worthwhile change to keep prices reasonable for the 40% community.
Edit:
The other thing to bear in mind is that folks who do purchase the 40% kit may not have Planck or preonic in mind. Meaning there is even less reason to include accented keys for the default layout for two specific keyboards.
For example, those accented keys won’t work with a prime_e or a minivan.
Post by: raz on Thu, 11 June 2020, 14:25:12
You may want to include a 1.25u space key as well. It's commonly used when splitting space (e.g. 6.25u → 2.75u+1.25u+2.25u), in Alice layouts etc.
Gotcha
Despite the fact that R4 enter and R3 esc are the “default” layout options for Planck and preonic, it is not the popular placement for those keys. Most Planck and preonic users (that I know anyway) still use esc on R2 and enter on R3.
In my opinion, you should drop the magenta accent keys altogether. This is a worthwhile change to keep prices reasonable for the 40% community.
Edit:
The other thing to bear in mind is that folks who do purchase the 40% kit may not have Planck or preonic in mind. Meaning there is even less reason to include accented keys for the default layout for two specific keyboards.
For example, those accented keys won’t work with a prime_e or a minivan.
I know but i can't give support to specific layouts for specific keyboards so having only two accent keys for the most popular ortho keebs out there it's kinda fair i guess! For all the others, there are the indacus keys :)
The minivan can work with the ESC accent, am i wrong?
Post by: DrHigsby on Thu, 11 June 2020, 16:29:38
You may want to include a 1.25u space key as well. It's commonly used when splitting space (e.g. 6.25u → 2.75u+1.25u+2.25u), in Alice layouts etc.
Gotcha
Despite the fact that R4 enter and R3 esc are the “default” layout options for Planck and preonic, it is not the popular placement for those keys. Most Planck and preonic users (that I know anyway) still use esc on R2 and enter on R3.
In my opinion, you should drop the magenta accent keys altogether. This is a worthwhile change to keep prices reasonable for the 40% community.
Edit:
The other thing to bear in mind is that folks who do purchase the 40% kit may not have Planck or preonic in mind. Meaning there is even less reason to include accented keys for the default layout for two specific keyboards.
For example, those accented keys won’t work with a prime_e or a minivan.
I know but i can't give support to specific layouts for specific keyboards so having only two accent keys for the most popular ortho keebs out there it's kinda fair i guess! For all the others, there are the indacus keys :)
The minivan can work with the ESC accent, am i wrong?
That’s the exact point I am making.
It does not make sense to include magenta accents for basically just Planck users, so you should remove magenta accents altogether to make this kit as cheap as possible.
The minivan uses a R2 esc (not R3).
Post by: vocal118 on Fri, 12 June 2020, 02:58:22
Post by: sevenseacat on Sat, 13 June 2020, 08:57:36
Post by: raz on Sun, 14 June 2020, 15:03:42
It does not make sense to include magenta accents for basically just Planck users, so you should remove magenta accents altogether to make this kit as cheap as possible.
The minivan uses a R2 esc (not R3).
Leaving out the two 1.75u spaces and putting in two magenta keys is a good balance i guess. I can add another r2 ESC magenta key too, it shouldn't be that expensive!
Anyway, i am going to update the spacebar kit with 1.25 space in the next few days
ZF，please，zf is cheaper and faster
Did you have any problems with iLumkb?
I love the colours! The keycaps themselves don't really work for me, but I'll grab one of the dark deskmats for sure :D
Thank you :-*
Post by: shouwman on Mon, 15 June 2020, 12:45:10
Post by: villagepillage on Tue, 16 June 2020, 05:17:47
Post by: _rubik on Tue, 16 June 2020, 11:33:52
Personally not my style (lots of contrasting colors) for caps, but I love the mats and shirts etc. I'll probably be in on the extras.
Post by: eibbun on Mon, 22 June 2020, 00:59:11
Post by: LostTheirEyes on Mon, 22 June 2020, 11:15:08
Post by: Ashen_21 on Sat, 18 July 2020, 16:52:33
Post by: SenseiJia on Sun, 19 July 2020, 12:43:34
Post by: raz on Tue, 21 July 2020, 04:59:31
It seems like people want the "dark" row on the base and not on the Alternativo kit. This will make the base kit more expensive but it's what the majority of you ask, so i'll work it out somehow.
Another update is that i finalized the mousepad designs and i am in contact with the manufacturer. I will maybe run the mousepads before the set: what do you guys think about it?
I am going to update when i have estimated prices and proxies, then i'll show you protos (i want the colors to be accurate).
I am going to drop here my latest renders as a gift:
(https://i.imgur.com/jqirzAG.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/qbQ1inB.png)
Post by: stein3 on Tue, 21 July 2020, 10:13:15
Post by: raz on Tue, 21 July 2020, 10:59:06
Purple and green set when?
There's GMK Mecha-01 live right now :)
The one you see in the render is just a concept for these images!
Post by: Kreath on Tue, 21 July 2020, 12:39:41
Post by: stein3 on Tue, 21 July 2020, 15:45:06
I like your concept better :). Plus, Mecha-01 doesn't have latin-only alphas for me :(.Purple and green set when?
There's GMK Mecha-01 live right now :)
The one you see in the render is just a concept for these images!
Post by: parablol on Tue, 21 July 2020, 19:45:32
= a nice Planck
Post by: zoo on Wed, 22 July 2020, 02:18:21
Post by: allBAYlong on Sat, 25 July 2020, 16:25:55
Post by: steezkeez on Fri, 07 August 2020, 00:38:06
Post by: CustomerSupport on Sun, 09 August 2020, 13:46:05
Regardless, I'm in for a deskmat or 2!
Post by: Convergence on Tue, 11 August 2020, 09:00:48
Post by: raz on Wed, 12 August 2020, 05:49:28
Ahh the criticism a designer has to endure.... beautiful set @Raz. Great inspiration point, soft color selection. I’m in. Would look great on a RAMA KARA. Think I might.
Thank you so much man! I am going to try to post a purplish translucent keeb render with a HHKB layout soon, but i don't have the Kara model :D
Really love the colorway, not a huge fan of the monochromatic alphas and mods; would be hard to pass on a base kit with the Alternativo alphas in it, but my opinion.
Regardless, I'm in for a deskmat or 2!
I am thinking about reworking the kits to make sure they reach moqs eventually :D
I already have a manufacturer for the mousepads, i am just waiting for the right moment!
I think if you're considering an extra kit for a dark number row, it might be worth rearranging kits so that the base kit has the dark number row and the Alternativo kit has a purple number row and potentially purple modifiers. However, this would of course take away the beautiful colour contrast in the base kit. Purple modifiers are something I'd be interested in, in any form.
As i told before, i am thinking about reworking the kits to make the "smarter" and maybe less expensive. Every feedback is appreciated so thank you for your point of view!
Purple modifiers are a bit difficult to place in, i need to be sure every kit can reach the moq!
I'd love to see a render of this keycap set on top of the NK65 Entry Edition (Purple)
Maybe not the NK65 (i don't have the models and it need time to remodel the keeb with the moulds in it) but i can try with something purplish and translucent :thumb:
Post by: raz on Wed, 12 August 2020, 09:38:19
Ahh the criticism a designer has to endure.... beautiful set @Raz. Great inspiration point, soft color selection. I’m in. Would look great on a RAMA KARA. Think I might.
Here you go
(https://i.imgur.com/Im4xDV6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/gpYf1Xj.jpg)
Post by: darthcapn on Thu, 13 August 2020, 01:58:09
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Post by: raz on Thu, 13 August 2020, 07:39:09
Delicious. Waiting for the US proxy. Do we have a timeline on the release dates?
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Thanks man! Not yet! I am getting some time to fix the kits and I have to remake the legends (not centered cause I don't really like them like this!). I am a bit slowed down by the summer season :)
Post by: audiosl4ve on Thu, 13 August 2020, 08:50:24
Post by: darthcapn on Tue, 18 August 2020, 01:57:11
No worries. I will wait for this to put on the alpine65 pc that I hopefully get lolDelicious. Waiting for the US proxy. Do we have a timeline on the release dates?
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Thanks man! Not yet! I am getting some time to fix the kits and I have to remake the legends (not centered cause I don't really like them like this!). I am a bit slowed down by the summer season :)
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Post by: maneens on Tue, 18 August 2020, 18:26:19
The white Add-on kit looks cool and gives the set a different look.
Thank you! A lot of people asked for this in the IC Form and after a bit of looking at the set with white alpha, i liked it actually :)
The second more requested "feature" is a dark number row. I could add it to the base kit but it would be really big with all that keys.
What do you guys say?
This is a render of it:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yhRMbNr.png)
I updated the IC Form so if you guys want this kit in the base or as an extra just let me know!
Yes. Love the dark number row! Honestly, I prefer the same color number row for the white alphas as well. If that's a possibility? Either way, awesome set. Most likely in for both the black and white alphas.
Post by: BirgusLatro on Sat, 22 August 2020, 20:15:18
Post by: westway on Tue, 08 September 2020, 03:21:19
Bella l'idea delle magliette e stupendi i tappetini comunque. Mi fa piacere vedere qualche collega italiano in giro da queste parti :thumb:
Post by: raz on Tue, 08 September 2020, 03:50:06
What's your choice between OG top left aligned icon mods and centered aligned icon mods? In the first renders they seem centered, while in the last ones they are OG.
Bella l'idea delle magliette e stupendi i tappetini comunque. Mi fa piacere vedere qualche collega italiano in giro da queste parti :thumb:
Actually i am liking the left aligned more (i think it's more consistent), You're right i ditched the centered icons in the latest renders but it's not definitive. I'll post a comparative between the two icons later!
Grazie mille per i complimenti! Fa un salto su Discord che siamo in tanti e molto attivi - prediligiamo Telegram però!
Post by: PizzaKeyboards on Mon, 14 September 2020, 03:49:34
Post by: lorphex on Thu, 17 September 2020, 18:11:50
Post by: raz on Fri, 18 September 2020, 06:34:57
Will the dark R2 in the addon kit include 1u pipe key and delete for split backspace?
Sorry for the late reply, but yes! i am still in the process of reworking a bit the set. I will post updates for sure. I am a bit more active on Discord (posting renders and stuff) if you want real time updates :)
Post by: Cloods on Sat, 19 September 2020, 03:06:02
Post by: Synergist on Sun, 20 September 2020, 06:13:03
Post by: darthcapn on Mon, 21 September 2020, 17:06:27
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Post by: pepperskog on Mon, 21 September 2020, 17:19:03
Will the dark R2 in the addon kit include 1u pipe key and delete for split backspace?
Sorry for the late reply, but yes! i am still in the process of reworking a bit the set. I will post updates for sure. I am a bit more active on Discord (posting renders and stuff) if you want real time updates :)
Discord link comes up as invalid?
Post by: anticlockwise5 on Mon, 21 September 2020, 17:45:31
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Post by: raz on Tue, 22 September 2020, 01:56:44
you're right, here you go: https://discord.gg/MrdRDzyWill the dark R2 in the addon kit include 1u pipe key and delete for split backspace?
Sorry for the late reply, but yes! i am still in the process of reworking a bit the set. I will post updates for sure. I am a bit more active on Discord (posting renders and stuff) if you want real time updates :)
Discord link comes up as invalid?
Would really like to buy this, but can you consider having a base kit for the alternativo white? I really want the white alphas with dark mods but don't want to spend an extra 100+ on the base and alternativo, would also get the novelties tok
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sorry man we can't have two base kit :(
Post by: anticlockwise5 on Tue, 22 September 2020, 01:59:05
OK... Worth asking, I'll buy the base anyways, nice set! Love the black and purple comboyou're right, here you go: https://discord.gg/MrdRDzyWill the dark R2 in the addon kit include 1u pipe key and delete for split backspace?
Sorry for the late reply, but yes! i am still in the process of reworking a bit the set. I will post updates for sure. I am a bit more active on Discord (posting renders and stuff) if you want real time updates :)
Discord link comes up as invalid?Would really like to buy this, but can you consider having a base kit for the alternativo white? I really want the white alphas with dark mods but don't want to spend an extra 100+ on the base and alternativo, would also get the novelties tok
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sorry man we can't have two base kit :(
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Post by: FancyFootwork on Sun, 27 September 2020, 17:35:23
Post by: alper_maestro on Tue, 29 September 2020, 07:15:50
Post by: raz on Tue, 29 September 2020, 07:53:28
Do we already know more about the expected date for the GB to launch?
I am waiting for GMK prices! I don't want to give dates before I am 100% sure about it but I am close to have some news for you :D
Post by: KaosJ on Tue, 06 October 2020, 16:21:17
Post by: outerspace on Tue, 06 October 2020, 17:24:18
Post by: Skandiluz on Sat, 17 October 2020, 00:09:43
Post by: Italian_T3ddy_v2 on Sat, 17 October 2020, 05:17:57
Post by: raz on Sat, 17 October 2020, 05:21:24
I don't know man, this looks so similar to GMK Mashu... :rolleyes:
Yeah a friend linked me the IC, pretty similar palette ngl but hey, I don't own these colors!
Post by: dibstern on Tue, 27 October 2020, 05:48:39
I don't know man, this looks so similar to GMK Mashu... :rolleyes:
Yeah a friend linked me the IC, pretty similar palette ngl but hey, I don't own these colors!
This is a lot cooler than GMK Mashu IMO, my girlfriend is keen haha
Post by: The.Ryan.Gamer on Tue, 01 December 2020, 12:45:11
Post by: PhantomLeadr on Fri, 04 December 2020, 08:15:14
Post by: clackeys on Sun, 06 December 2020, 17:31:15
Post by: raz on Mon, 14 December 2020, 02:49:17
We have new kits, new renders and all the vendors listed here. I'm going to make the GB post soon with pricess and all of that :D
A summary of the finalized kits:
NEW KITS!
Minimalistico
(https://i.imgur.com/EoEZcsF.jpg)
Figure e Forme
(https://i.imgur.com/TKNP1Fw.jpg)
Alternativo
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLhCIBa.jpg)
Striscia
(https://i.imgur.com/lHf4lM3.jpg)
Milleottocento
(https://i.imgur.com/wreBzhn.jpg)
40Per100
(https://i.imgur.com/PSS3zC5.jpg)
Linee
(https://i.imgur.com/CPSfTG7.jpg)
You can check the new renders on the OP!
If you want to be up to date or discuss about anything, this is the link to Discord server (https://discord.gg/GdJZHx8kMU).
If you like to check websites, this is the one I'm keeping up to date with my projects: raz.works (https://raz.works)
If you would like to be part of the italian community, this is our Discord server (https://discord.gg/ft8VMe5EVj) (we speak enRish too)
EDIT: Fixed Base kit and Alpha kit files!
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 14 December 2020, 05:44:03
So! This is the last update guys!
We have new kits, new renders and all the vendors listed here. I'm going to make the GB post soon with pricess and all of that :D
A summary of the finalized kits:
NEW KITS!
I don't agree with making such large kitting changes (completely changing the structure of the kits) right before the GB. This doesn't give you any time to gather feedback from users, and it gives potential buyers no time to react to the changes and voice their thoughts.
That being said, as it stands, your current kitting has some issues. I'm not sure what you can do at this point, but I'm going to give you a list of these issues so that at least you're aware of them.
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Base kit (Minimalistico)
Alphas kit (Alternativo)
Numpad kit (Milleottocento)
40% kit (40Per100)
Spacebars kit (Linee)
- Your base kit render is showing a duplicate F7 key and is missing an F12, but I assume that's a rendering error.
- Other than that, your base kit is missing R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn, which are popular options on modern 65% and 75% boards (you even show them in (https://i.imgur.com/VOma5MA.jpg) your (https://i.imgur.com/TtIWZaZ.jpg) renders (https://i.imgur.com/NKGrkPG.png)); yet it includes a stepped R3 1.75u Control key, which is a lot less commonly used and isn't included in almost any GMK base kits nowadays.
R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn are also the default setup on Tada68, which you explicitly claim to support in the “compatibility check” section of the image.
If you aren't including R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn because they can be covered with novelties, then you shouldn't really include 1.5u Super keys either for the same reason. - Speaking of 1.5u Super, your base kit is missing a second R4 1u Alt key, which is necessary in order for the 1.5u Super keys to be usable.
- The base kit is also missing an R4 1.25u Fn key, which is used on every board size from 40s all the way up to full size. In its place is a Menu key, which isn't really a fitting replacement for Fn (Fn being the more popular option). Menu is truly useful only for TKL and full-size boards (mostly OEM ones) that have an actual context menu key (in which case Fn actually is a good replacement for that). Outside of those, most people prefer to use 1.25u Fn. Because of this, Menu should have been changed to Fn or Meta.
- I personally think the purple Enter accent doesn't make sense unless it's combined with the Striscia kit, so I think this key should have been moved to the Striscia kit.
- An optional addition that some users like and that many base kits are including nowadays is F13.
Alphas kit (Alternativo)
- R1 1u \| is missing, which makes it impossible to cover split backspace keyboards (including all HHKB variants) with white alphas.
Numpad kit (Milleottocento)
- The R1 1u Delete key is a duplicate since there is one already included in the base kit.
- It's unclear if the 5 key is homing or not. If it's supposed to be scooped, then the barred variant should be included as well since this is a separate numpad kit. However, if it's non-homing, then that can be considered a design choice, and so it's fine to keep just that one non-homing 5 key.
- Since this is a separate numpad kit, R4 1u 00 should also be included.
- Accent-colored R1 1u = would likely be useful for more people than Pause, since num row Pause is inherently tied to OG 1800 layouts only.
40% kit (40Per100)
- This kit is mostly fine, but two very notable omissions are R4 1u Lower, Raise keys and a second R4 1u Shift keys. Most ortho users will require these keys for their boards. If it comes down to that, Fn and Ctrl can be replaced with Lower and Raise without any issues.
- R4 1u Alt shouldn't be here but rather in the base kit, as mentioned previously.
- Including accent variants of 1.25u and 1.5u Enters should be a lower priority than including correct compatibility for popular layouts.
- R4 1.5u Shift would have been addition to this kit because some of the coverage in the kit (namely, 1.25u Enter for UT47.2, Whimsy etc.) is incomplete without it. 1.5u Shift also covers Nathan's Evolv 75% board and the Raine mini-1800.
- Ideally, the R3 1u Tab key would have had a more generic legend (e.g. ^ (https://i.imgur.com/SePnAXE.png)) so that ortho users aren't restricted to using Tab (which is one of the less popular options (https://imgur.com/OVofoyd) in that position).
Spacebars kit (Linee)
- There's no need to have two 1c spacekeys since this is only useful for ortho boards (which have their own kit where this is covered).
- A nice addition would have been two 3c spacebars since these are growing in popularity.
Post by: raz on Mon, 14 December 2020, 06:06:34
So! This is the last update guys!
We have new kits, new renders and all the vendors listed here. I'm going to make the GB post soon with pricess and all of that :D
A summary of the finalized kits:
NEW KITS!
I don't agree with making such large kitting changes (completely changing the structure of the kits) right before the GB. This doesn't give you any time to gather feedback from users, and it gives potential buyers no time to react to the changes and voice their thoughts. If I'm being honest, this feels very rushed.
That being said, as it stands, your current kitting has some issues. I'm not sure what you can do at this point, but I'm going to give you a list of these issues so that at least you're aware of them.MoreBase kit (Minimalistico)
- Your base kit render is showing a duplicate F7 key and is missing an F12, but I assume that's a rendering error.
- Other than that, your base kit is missing R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn, which are popular options on modern 65% and 75% boards (you even show them in (https://i.imgur.com/VOma5MA.jpg) your (https://i.imgur.com/TtIWZaZ.jpg) renders (https://i.imgur.com/NKGrkPG.png)); yet it includes a stepped R3 1.75u Control key, which is a lot less commonly used and isn't included in almost any GMK base kits nowadays.
R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn are also the default setup on Tada68, which you explicitly claim to support in the “compatibility check” section of the image.
If you aren't including R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn because they can be covered with novelties, then you shouldn't really include 1.5u Super keys either for the same reason.- Speaking of 1.5u Super, your base kit is missing a second R4 1u Alt key, which is necessary in order for the 1.5u Super keys to be usable.
- The base kit is also missing an R4 1.25u Fn key, which is used on every board size from 40s all the way up to full size. In its place is a Menu key, which isn't really a fitting replacement for Fn (Fn being the more popular option). Menu is truly useful only for TKL and full-size boards (mostly OEM ones) that have an actual context menu key (in which case Fn actually is a good replacement for that). Outside of those, most people prefer to use 1.25u Fn. Because of this, Menu should have been changed to Fn or Meta.
- I personally think the purple Enter accent doesn't make sense unless it's combined with the Striscia kit, so I think this key should have been moved to the Striscia kit.
- An optional addition that some users like and that many base kits are including nowadays is F13.
Alphas kit (Alternativo)
- R1 1u \| is missing, which makes it impossible to cover split backspace keyboards (including all HHKB variants) with white alphas.
Numpad kit (Milleottocento)
- The R1 1u Delete key is a duplicate since there is one already included in the base kit.
- It's unclear if the 5 key is homing or not. If it's supposed to be scooped, then the barred variant should be included as well since this is a separate numpad kit. However, if it's non-homing, then that can be considered a design choice, and so it's fine to keep just that one non-homing 5 key.
- Since this is a separate numpad kit, R4 1u 00 should also be included.
- Accent-colored R1 1u = would likely be useful for more people than Pause, since num row Pause is inherently tied to OG 1800 layouts only.
40% kit (40Per100)
- This kit is mostly fine, but two very notable omissions are R4 1u Lower, Raise keys and a second R4 1u Shift keys. Most ortho users will require these keys for their boards. If it comes down to that, Fn and Ctrl can be replaced with Lower and Raise without any issues.
- R4 1u Alt shouldn't be here but rather in the base kit, as mentioned previously.
- Including accent variants of 1.25u and 1.5u Enters should be a lower priority than including correct compatibility for popular layouts.
- R4 1.5u Shift would have been addition to this kit because some of the coverage in the kit (namely, 1.25u Enter for UT47.2, Whimsy etc.) is incomplete without it. 1.5u Shift also covers Nathan's Evolv 75% board and the Raine mini-1800.
- Ideally, the R3 1u Tab key would have had a more generic legend (e.g. ^ (https://i.imgur.com/SePnAXE.png)) so that ortho users aren't restricted to using Tab (which is one of the less popular options (https://imgur.com/OVofoyd) in that position).
Spacebars kit (Linee)
- There's no need to have two 1c spacekeys since this is only useful for ortho boards (which have their own kit where this is covered).
- A nice addition would have been two 3c spacebars since these are growing in popularity.
So! This is the last update guys!
We have new kits, new renders and all the vendors listed here. I'm going to make the GB post soon with pricess and all of that :D
A summary of the finalized kits:
NEW KITS!
I don't agree with making such large kitting changes (completely changing the structure of the kits) right before the GB. This doesn't give you any time to gather feedback from users, and it gives potential buyers no time to react to the changes and voice their thoughts. If I'm being honest, this feels very rushed.
That being said, as it stands, your current kitting has some issues. I'm not sure what you can do at this point, but I'm going to give you a list of these issues so that at least you're aware of them.MoreBase kit (Minimalistico)
- Your base kit render is showing a duplicate F7 key and is missing an F12, but I assume that's a rendering error.
- Other than that, your base kit is missing R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn, which are popular options on modern 65% and 75% boards (you even show them in (https://i.imgur.com/VOma5MA.jpg) your (https://i.imgur.com/TtIWZaZ.jpg) renders (https://i.imgur.com/NKGrkPG.png)); yet it includes a stepped R3 1.75u Control key, which is a lot less commonly used and isn't included in almost any GMK base kits nowadays.
R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn are also the default setup on Tada68, which you explicitly claim to support in the “compatibility check” section of the image.
If you aren't including R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn because they can be covered with novelties, then you shouldn't really include 1.5u Super keys either for the same reason.- Speaking of 1.5u Super, your base kit is missing a second R4 1u Alt key, which is necessary in order for the 1.5u Super keys to be usable.
- The base kit is also missing an R4 1.25u Fn key, which is used on every board size from 40s all the way up to full size. In its place is a Menu key, which isn't really a fitting replacement for Fn (Fn being the more popular option). Menu is truly useful only for TKL and full-size boards (mostly OEM ones) that have an actual context menu key (in which case Fn actually is a good replacement for that). Outside of those, most people prefer to use 1.25u Fn. Because of this, Menu should have been changed to Fn or Meta.
- I personally think the purple Enter accent doesn't make sense unless it's combined with the Striscia kit, so I think this key should have been moved to the Striscia kit.
- An optional addition that some users like and that many base kits are including nowadays is F13.
Alphas kit (Alternativo)
- R1 1u \| is missing, which makes it impossible to cover split backspace keyboards (including all HHKB variants) with white alphas.
Numpad kit (Milleottocento)
- The R1 1u Delete key is a duplicate since there is one already included in the base kit.
- It's unclear if the 5 key is homing or not. If it's supposed to be scooped, then the barred variant should be included as well since this is a separate numpad kit. However, if it's non-homing, then that can be considered a design choice, and so it's fine to keep just that one non-homing 5 key.
- Since this is a separate numpad kit, R4 1u 00 should also be included.
- Accent-colored R1 1u = would likely be useful for more people than Pause, since num row Pause is inherently tied to OG 1800 layouts only.
40% kit (40Per100)
- This kit is mostly fine, but two very notable omissions are R4 1u Lower, Raise keys and a second R4 1u Shift keys. Most ortho users will require these keys for their boards. If it comes down to that, Fn and Ctrl can be replaced with Lower and Raise without any issues.
- R4 1u Alt shouldn't be here but rather in the base kit, as mentioned previously.
- Including accent variants of 1.25u and 1.5u Enters should be a lower priority than including correct compatibility for popular layouts.
- R4 1.5u Shift would have been addition to this kit because some of the coverage in the kit (namely, 1.25u Enter for UT47.2, Whimsy etc.) is incomplete without it. 1.5u Shift also covers Nathan's Evolv 75% board and the Raine mini-1800.
- Ideally, the R3 1u Tab key would have had a more generic legend (e.g. ^ (https://i.imgur.com/SePnAXE.png)) so that ortho users aren't restricted to using Tab (which is one of the less popular options (https://imgur.com/OVofoyd) in that position).
Spacebars kit (Linee)
- There's no need to have two 1c spacekeys since this is only useful for ortho boards (which have their own kit where this is covered).
- A nice addition would have been two 3c spacebars since these are growing in popularity.
Thank you as always for your feedbacks kostantin!
Base kit F7 is obviously a render error, going to fix it soon, thanks for the catch :D
As for the base kit missing keys: choice were made to strip down kits and bring down the price. For more exotic layouts or numpad or wathever, people can mix in the 40% kit or novelty kit and live an easy life with them :D
Menu key: I like it more than FN, it's a choice to not have a 1.25 fn key and a 1.25 menu key
PS: tada layout (1u right cluster) is still supported with different legends.
About the numpad kit: i tried to be inclusive. People could buy the numpad without having the base kit, so adding a delete key was a choice. 5 is not scoped and it's just my choice :) I was clearly pointing out the 1800 og layout with this kit (milleottocento means literally 1800)
Alpha Kit is my bad, wrong file uploaded :D HHKB is completely supported (split backspace)
Thanks again for the feedback! Going to update the base with the right F row and the alpha with the |\ ! (I'm dumb, I use hhkb layout everyday)
Post by: raz on Mon, 14 December 2020, 07:05:28
(https://i.imgur.com/EoEZcsF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLhCIBa.jpg)
Post by: raz on Tue, 15 December 2020, 08:45:10
I made a mistake. Added R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn to the base. The price will not go higher than what it is right now (it's all on me the fault here)
Hope you like the update! I'm going to post the GB thread when all the proxies set up the pages in their stores :)
(https://i.imgur.com/Gw4huDM.jpg)
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 15 December 2020, 09:48:30
Fixed up base and alpha files - thanks to konstantin and his eagle eyes :pShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/EoEZcsF.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ZLhCIBa.jpg)
So!
I made a mistake. Added R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn to the base. The price will not go higher than what it is right now (it's all on me the fault here)
Hope you like the update! I'm going to post the GB thread when all the proxies set up the pages in their stores :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Gw4huDM.jpg)
Good stuff. Big props for making these last-minute fixes. Best of luck with the GB!
Post by: raz on Tue, 15 December 2020, 09:55:57
Fixed up base and alpha files - thanks to konstantin and his eagle eyes :pShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/EoEZcsF.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ZLhCIBa.jpg)So!
I made a mistake. Added R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn to the base. The price will not go higher than what it is right now (it's all on me the fault here)
Hope you like the update! I'm going to post the GB thread when all the proxies set up the pages in their stores :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Gw4huDM.jpg)
Good stuff. Big props for making these last-minute fixes. Best of luck with the GB!
Thank you very much man!
I really appreciate your work here on geekhack
Post by: Jo_hannes on Wed, 16 December 2020, 01:53:04
Post by: PHYLO on Wed, 16 December 2020, 09:52:16
Post by: raz on Thu, 17 December 2020, 14:14:16
Post by: Qwapa on Fri, 18 December 2020, 22:49:03
Post by: idealape on Tue, 20 April 2021, 07:06:55
Post by: raz on Tue, 20 April 2021, 10:21:55
any news on the deskmat production/deliveries? Thought they we'ere gonna be finished this month.
Hey! I'm going to post updates about the GB in the GB thread here in Geekhack!
For the mousepad we are waiting for a second round prototype that matches the colors better
Post by: BapoDonu on Tue, 20 April 2021, 10:27:39
Post by: raz on Tue, 20 April 2021, 10:52:17
" Once you started a group buy, please remember to close/lock the IC thread and put a re-direct link on the last page of that thread (so that way, members can just follow it to place their orders) "
It would be awesome to be able to lock myself the post!
I linked the GB post sometime ago ;)
GB Thread here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=110217.0