What material? Aluminum?
ZamboniumWhat material? Aluminum?
Metal
What material? Aluminum?
Metal
I love the design! Unfortunately, I don't use TKL... :p
I would buy this if the PCB had per-key RGB and Kailh hot swap sockets installed.
I would buy this if the PCB had per-key RGB and Kailh hot swap sockets installed.
I didn't want any of those features for this board. I couldn't see myself using any of those features with this keyboard and I don't think they fit with my idea for it. And when I asked Wilba if he could design a PCB for this board I mentioned him that I wanted something uncluttered, and simple, no RGBs, no hotswaps.
I didn't want any of those features for this board. I couldn't see myself using any of those features with this keyboard and I don't think they fit with my idea for it. And when I asked Wilba if he could design a PCB for this board I mentioned him that I wanted something uncluttered, and simple, no RGBs, no hotswaps.
I didn't want any of those features for this board. I couldn't see myself using any of those features with this keyboard and I don't think they fit with my idea for it. And when I asked Wilba if he could design a PCB for this board I mentioned him that I wanted something uncluttered, and simple, no RGBs, no hotswaps.
I didn't want any of those features for this board. I couldn't see myself using any of those features with this keyboard and I don't think they fit with my idea for it. And when I asked Wilba if he could design a PCB for this board I mentioned him that I wanted something uncluttered, and simple, no RGBs, no hotswaps.
This may be a stupid question, but is it possible to permanently solder switches to those hot-swap sockets? Or at least remove them? Not sure how those things work.
In case all of the answers to the above questions are "no", I may actually prefer your solution.
I would buy this if the PCB had per-key RGB and Kailh hot swap sockets installed.
I didn't want any of those features for this board. I couldn't see myself using any of those features with this keyboard and I don't think they fit with my idea for it. And when I asked Wilba if he could design a PCB for this board I mentioned him that I wanted something uncluttered, and simple, no RGBs, no hotswaps.
Bless, I kind of hate doing sip sockets & leds for boards on top of switch mods but feels like it's wasted potential when a board features it and I don't do it.I would buy this if the PCB had per-key RGB and Kailh hot swap sockets installed.
I didn't want any of those features for this board. I couldn't see myself using any of those features with this keyboard and I don't think they fit with my idea for it. And when I asked Wilba if he could design a PCB for this board I mentioned him that I wanted something uncluttered, and simple, no RGBs, no hotswaps.
Uhm... but isn't doing that kinda defeating the purpose of having a hotswap socket in the first place?
Uhm... but isn't doing that kinda defeating the purpose of having a hotswap socket in the first place?
Not necessarily. You may have four or five different types of switches you want to try out, and then at the end permanently solder your favourite ones to prevent switch wobble.
comes from Spain and no ISO support? :(
Uhm... but isn't doing that kinda defeating the purpose of having a hotswap socket in the first place?
Not necessarily. You may have four or five different types of switches you want to try out, and then at the end permanently solder your favourite ones to prevent switch wobble.
im sure you mean well but i have literally never heard of anyone doing that before i saw this post
hotswap sockets tend to be unreliable (in my personal experience) and per key rgb is cool but otherwise not that important
per key rgb is a giant pain in the ass to put on a PCB though, since it requires a lot more design work and costs a lot of money
I don't really understand why someone wouldn't want them. Takes less than a few minutes to change every switch on my board. No reliability issues, and no wobble for fixed layout platemount boards.
Any skepticism disappears the first time you do a switch swap without pulling out the soldering iron.
Is it more expensive? Yes, it increases the price of the PCB slightly and the platemount solution needs to be just right.
I don't really understand why someone wouldn't want them. Takes less than a few minutes to change every switch on my board. No reliability issues, and no wobble for fixed layout platemount boards.
Any skepticism disappears the first time you do a switch swap without pulling out the soldering iron.
Is it more expensive? Yes, it increases the price of the PCB slightly and the platemount solution needs to be just right.
If this keyboard was designed for a general public I'd had considered them, but that wasn't the case.
I designed the board for myself, and that gives me the liberty of doing exactly what I want. Because I wasn't going to use them and I actually enjoy spending a weekend's afternoon building a keyboard, I just didn't want to add them.
I am aware that some of my choices (fixed layout, no blockers, no RBG, no hotswaps...) limit how many people are interested about this board, and I'm OK with that, I want people interested on this board to really like it because of how it is right now.
I really like how simple and perfect it looks. Fixed layout is great, no RGB is totally fine, no hotswap is perfect. The only problem (outside of price possibly) is this part:
Available Units: between 30 and 35. Raffle sale.
This makes me sad, but it looks like an awesome keyboard to build. Will most likely try my luck if I can afford it.
really sad not seeing WKL blockers :(He is looking to use them for future iterations.
I really like how simple and perfect it looks. Fixed layout is great, no RGB is totally fine, no hotswap is perfect. The only problem (outside of price possibly) is this part:
Available Units: between 30 and 35. Raffle sale.
This makes me sad, but it looks like an awesome keyboard to build. Will most likely try my luck if I can afford it.
The alternative to a raffle sale is FCFS and the spots would be gone in minutes. FCFS many times only benefits those that are on a convenient timezone. If it was a FCFS some people would miss the buy just because they are sleeping because they have to wake up early, at work, in a meeting, having dinner with their SO... I don't care, they are unable to fill up the form at a extremely specific moment of their day and miss the buy.
I really like how simple and perfect it looks. Fixed layout is great, no RGB is totally fine, no hotswap is perfect. The only problem (outside of price possibly) is this part:
Available Units: between 30 and 35. Raffle sale.
This makes me sad, but it looks like an awesome keyboard to build. Will most likely try my luck if I can afford it.
The alternative to a raffle sale is FCFS and the spots would be gone in minutes. FCFS many times only benefits those that are on a convenient timezone. If it was a FCFS some people would miss the buy just because they are sleeping because they have to wake up early, at work, in a meeting, having dinner with their SO... I don't care, they are unable to fill up the form at a extremely specific moment of their day and miss the buy.
Ah that's not exactly what I meant here. Maybe I should have highlighted the whole limited supply then? Because to me, the alternative to raffle is a regular GB where everyone can submit their order, pay and get in.
But I agree, if I had to pick between between the two (raffle and FCFS), raffle is the least worst indeed.
No hot swap sockets on the PCB?
No hot swap sockets on the PCB?
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No hot swap sockets on the PCB?
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Thanks. Ctrl+F failed me the first time :(
That's a pass for me. It's a shame because there isn't very many good looking custom TKLs like this one. I don't need fancy RGBs and other things. But two things I require nowadays on customs is USC-C and hotswaps.
I've already addressed why the quantities are limited.
So will the limited edition of a Nautilus Nightmares themed Verne be a seperate buy? Assuming it'll also be a raffle with limited spots (since 'limited edition' is in the title of it)? Will pricing be similar between the two versions?
did not White Color option?
can't you just add the hotswap sockets yourself? I don't see the issue.
Great looking board. Sad that single layout plates are starting to regain popularity outside the hotswap crowd.
Probably one of the best looking boards out there, though there is no way i'll be able to afford it.
Good luck with the buy sir.
can't you just add the hotswap sockets yourself? I don't see the issue.
people don't wanna put in effort
and they're asking about kailh hotswap sockets, not holtites or whatever other solution
can't you just add the hotswap sockets yourself? I don't see the issue.
people don't wanna put in effort
and they're asking about kailh hotswap sockets, not holtites or whatever other solution
never used those but it looks like you can also install those yourself.. just takes a bit of soldering work, no? If anyone cares enough about the design, such a small thing really shouldn't be a big reason to not-buy it imo
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A wild Jamón Red Verne has appeared!
Looks great with Chocolatier too.Show Image(https://i.redd.it/x8gq3vvanyu11.png)
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Ooo. Nioce.
Debating between trying to get into this buy or wait/hope Nautilus Nightmare comes true.
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To those attending Mechanicon this Saturday: I will be bringing this prototype so you can try the board. :p
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To those attending Mechanicon this Saturday: I will be bringing this prototype so you can try the board. :p
Wish I could be there just to experience Verne! Have fun!
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To those attending Mechanicon this Saturday: I will be bringing this prototype so you can try the board. :p
Wish I could be there just to experience Verne! Have fun!
There's the posibility that one of the prototypes will be at the Bay Area meetup, on November 10th.
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To those attending Mechanicon this Saturday: I will be bringing this prototype so you can try the board. :p
Wish I could be there just to experience Verne! Have fun!
There's the posibility that one of the prototypes will be at the Bay Area meetup, on November 10th.
Want to come to Canada?
Received mine on Saturday, delivery guy was an odd fella. Thanks for the smooth GB!
JK, very honored to have received one of the protos. My pictures can't do it justice, but it was a pleasure to build. Fixed layout is so nice, and I really like this one being without a weight insert. Love the ano, and spot on gray color! Shame about the PCB being hidden inside the body, it's the most beautiful PCB I've seen yet.
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single layout plates make for a better sound and typing experience since it allows the designer to put in more specialized relief cuts and keeps the switches from twisting too much (which happens if you're using plate mount switches with a swiss cheese plate)
single layout plates make for a better sound and typing experience since it allows the designer to put in more specialized relief cuts and keeps the switches from twisting too much (which happens if you're using plate mount switches with a swiss cheese plate)
To clarify on that, when you mention relief cuts: In what manner, and for flex only or also to improve sound? Personally I'd argue that fixed layout plates in fact for the most part sound worse (fixed spacebars for example without cuts between the stabiliser and switch in my opinion sound much worse having tried both on the same board - though sound is always subjective)
single layout plates make for a better sound and typing experience since it allows the designer to put in more specialized relief cuts and keeps the switches from twisting too much (which happens if you're using plate mount switches with a swiss cheese plate)
To clarify on that, when you mention relief cuts: In what manner, and for flex only or also to improve sound? Personally I'd argue that fixed layout plates in fact for the most part sound worse (fixed spacebars for example without cuts between the stabiliser and switch in my opinion sound much worse having tried both on the same board - though sound is always subjective)
ugh please just sell me one already ill pay anything.
Sorry when I mentioned flex or sound I meant the reasoning for the relief cuts, not for fixed over universal.
single layout plates make for a better sound and typing experience since it allows the designer to put in more specialized relief cuts and keeps the switches from twisting too much (which happens if you're using plate mount switches with a swiss cheese plate)
To clarify on that, when you mention relief cuts: In what manner, and for flex only or also to improve sound? Personally I'd argue that fixed layout plates in fact for the most part sound worse (fixed spacebars for example without cuts between the stabiliser and switch in my opinion sound much worse having tried both on the same board - though sound is always subjective)
its definitely just for sound
more material = less flex
Sorry when I mentioned flex or sound I meant the reasoning for the relief cuts, not for fixed over universal.
single layout plates make for a better sound and typing experience since it allows the designer to put in more specialized relief cuts and keeps the switches from twisting too much (which happens if you're using plate mount switches with a swiss cheese plate)
To clarify on that, when you mention relief cuts: In what manner, and for flex only or also to improve sound? Personally I'd argue that fixed layout plates in fact for the most part sound worse (fixed spacebars for example without cuts between the stabiliser and switch in my opinion sound much worse having tried both on the same board - though sound is always subjective)
its definitely just for sound
more material = less flex
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the blue for this is very much like the nautilus blue!
What a beautiful board. I fully plan to throw my hat in the ring! I haven't noticed any details on GB timing in the thread, though it seems like you have most details fleshed out already. What does your timeline look like, if you can share your thoughts? I understand that once you mention any dates, people will latch on to them, but I promise I won't! ;)
I certainly will! Thanks for the advice.
Any updates?
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I've already done that (https://www.instagram.com/p/BrX7DCjnmHi)Any updates?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/b5eeu1n.jpg)
Oh, my. That is....
Please post a photo from the front. I really need to see more of Serika with that red body. Really stunning.
That's quite beautiful!I've already done that (https://www.instagram.com/p/BrX7DCjnmHi)Any updates?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/b5eeu1n.jpg)
Oh, my. That is....
Please post a photo from the front. I really need to see more of Serika with that red body. Really stunning.
Bit odd to have a tight spacing between the number row and function row, with a large unused margin above the function row.
I think it's nice to see you are putting so many 'unusual' features in this board that are new. It's not just some 10degree angle, few standard ano options, big brass weight and a cheesegrate plate with some ****ty logo on it.
It's got many unusual features which seem to reflect what you think of as important, such as having a fixed plate and slightly different gaps. Good stuff :thumb:
When you say no per key leds, does that just mean for rgbs? Can still do solid color leds right?
So silver won't be an option I take?
That blue version tho :p
So beautiful!
Why is it still featured in the OP then?Zambu probably hasn't gotten around to updating it.
Awe :(That blue version tho :p
So beautiful!
Sadly won't be offered. Too difficult to match.
Why is it still featured in the OP then?Zambu probably hasn't gotten around to updating it.
Well you could swing the other direction with Nautilus colorway and go gold/yellow/neon acid lemon?
We'll see.
In for this if I can't find a 2nd hand Korean board
In for this if I can't find a 2nd hand Korean board
I guess I'll have to settle for this one if I can't find a refurbished Ctrl board
Do we have an estimate for the GB start?
I’m fine with waiting and a higher cost blue Verne.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Rh2ozsm.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ijB8hH8.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sd6JGIs.jpg)
RE:Group Buy
I've juggling many things simulatenously so for now I can't give you an ETA of when I'll do a group buy, perhaps it could be a 2 weeks, or maybe a month or more. If there's going to be a delay, it will be this one.
So, if it wasn't obvious, I've already have the boards and PCBs with me. I fronted the production for all the keyboard parts many months ago and this is the reason why the group buy has limited quantities. While this is risky, I took this approach because this way I could assure people that they would be getting what they were paying for, and that I could make sure of that.
Since I have the boards, I've already inspected them all. Overall, they all the red and grey boards are good, and aside one or two none present any major issues. However, I wasn't happy at all with the blue keyboards, as they don't have the anodization requested and many units present a very noticeable color mismatch. This is why earlier this month I announced that I wasn't going to offer initially Nautilus Blue Vernes.
My current plan for those boards is to strip the anodization and powder coat them. As I'm writing these lines there's a local factory working on a sample for me. Keep in mind that those boards are probably going to be more expensive.
I’m fine with waiting and a higher cost blue Verne.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Rh2ozsm.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ijB8hH8.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sd6JGIs.jpg)
RE:Group Buy
I've juggling many things simulatenously so for now I can't give you an ETA of when I'll do a group buy, perhaps it could be a 2 weeks, or maybe a month or more. If there's going to be a delay, it will be this one.
So, if it wasn't obvious, I've already have the boards and PCBs with me. I fronted the production for all the keyboard parts many months ago and this is the reason why the group buy has limited quantities. While this is risky, I took this approach because this way I could assure people that they would be getting what they were paying for, and that I could make sure of that.
Since I have the boards, I've already inspected them all. Overall, they all the red and grey boards are good, and aside one or two none present any major issues. However, I wasn't happy at all with the blue keyboards, as they don't have the anodization requested and many units present a very noticeable color mismatch. This is why earlier this month I announced that I wasn't going to offer initially Nautilus Blue Vernes.
My current plan for those boards is to strip the anodization and powder coat them. As I'm writing these lines there's a local factory working on a sample for me. Keep in mind that those boards are probably going to be more expensive.
I can't wait to see how it'll look like with powder coating :thumb: And willing to wait as well for this GB :D Is the PCB still blue? The color is very rich and pops out from the pictures you had.
I can't wait to see how it'll look like with powder coating :thumb: And willing to wait as well for this GB :D Is the PCB still blue? The color is very rich and pops out from the pictures you had.
The PCB are all blue, in fact I'm not 100% sure but the PCB Jae used on his stream is most likely one from the main batch and not the prototype batch.
RE:Group Buy
I've juggling many things simulatenously so for now I can't give you an ETA of when I'll do a group buy, perhaps it could be a 2 weeks, or maybe a month or more. If there's going to be a delay, it will be this one.
So, if it wasn't obvious, I've already have the boards and PCBs with me. I fronted the production for all the keyboard parts many months ago and this is the reason why the group buy has limited quantities. While this is risky, I took this approach because this way I could assure people that they would be getting what they were paying for, and that I could make sure of that.
Since I have the boards, I've already inspected them all. Overall, they all the red and grey boards are good, and aside one or two none present any major issues. However, I wasn't happy at all with the blue keyboards, as they don't have the anodization requested and many units present a very noticeable color mismatch. This is why earlier this month I announced that I wasn't going to offer initially Nautilus Blue Vernes.
My current plan for those boards is to strip the anodization and powder coat them. As I'm writing these lines there's a local factory working on a sample for me. Keep in mind that those boards are probably going to be more expensive.
Also, I made some boxes.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Rh2ozsm.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ijB8hH8.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sd6JGIs.jpg)
RE:Group Buy
I've juggling many things simulatenously so for now I can't give you an ETA of when I'll do a group buy, perhaps it could be a 2 weeks, or maybe a month or more. If there's going to be a delay, it will be this one.
So, if it wasn't obvious, I've already have the boards and PCBs with me. I fronted the production for all the keyboard parts many months ago and this is the reason why the group buy has limited quantities. While this is risky, I took this approach because this way I could assure people that they would be getting what they were paying for, and that I could make sure of that.
Since I have the boards, I've already inspected them all. Overall, they all the red and grey boards are good, and aside one or two none present any major issues. However, I wasn't happy at all with the blue keyboards, as they don't have the anodization requested and many units present a very noticeable color mismatch. This is why earlier this month I announced that I wasn't going to offer initially Nautilus Blue Vernes.
My current plan for those boards is to strip the anodization and powder coat them. As I'm writing these lines there's a local factory working on a sample for me. Keep in mind that those boards are probably going to be more expensive.
Also, I made some boxes.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Rh2ozsm.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ijB8hH8.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/sd6JGIs.jpg)
No brass weight? I would like to a huge brass weight in the back.
No brass weight? I would like to a huge brass weight in the back.
No brass weight? I would like to a huge brass weight in the back.
ah yeah mate i'll just drill a hole in the finished cases
No brass weight? I would like to a huge brass weight in the back.
ah yeah mate i'll just drill a hole in the finished cases
But only after you give up finding that Korean board, right? ;)
Saw the pictures of the keyboard on Instagram. It looks great but I am concerned about it being a fingerprint magnet as you mentioned on your story :-\
Idk how many would consider this but how about a matte finish instead of a glossy finish?
Saw the pictures of the keyboard on Instagram. It looks great but I am concerned about it being a fingerprint magnet as you mentioned on your story :-\
Idk how many would consider this but how about a matte finish instead of a glossy finish?
I'd want to go with this color and finish.
Looks great with Chocolatier too.Show Image(https://i.redd.it/x8gq3vvanyu11.png)
Looks great with Chocolatier too.Show Image(https://i.redd.it/x8gq3vvanyu11.png)
Chocolate covered cherry, I like it! Will this support split space?
So are we edging close to the buy?
would you consider selling some of the 'bad' blues anyway? Maybe some people like it?
would you consider selling some of the 'bad' blues anyway? Maybe some people like it?
Or you don't want to be associated with 'failed' boards and therefore are reluctant to put them out in the open? If it's really bad I guess no one wants them anyway but a little bit of different blue wouldn't deter me too much.
Would love to get a b-stock and cerakote to match some keysets, like the upcoming Tactical keysetwould you consider selling some of the 'bad' blues anyway? Maybe some people like it?
Or you don't want to be associated with 'failed' boards and therefore are reluctant to put them out in the open? If it's really bad I guess no one wants them anyway but a little bit of different blue wouldn't deter me too much.
Some friends have asked me before having the boards about the possibility of selling raw finished boards or B-stock for cerakoting. As those boards would be refinished, I'd be OK with them.
You've been very clear that you designed this board for your own interests, tailoring it to your own tastes, which is aweslme. So I have to ask... In your opinion, what is the ideal switch for this board? It's not complete without them, and the only component left to the imagination.
Looking forward to the 24-48 hours of fooling myself into thinking I could win the raffle.
Is there any way to mod these so they are hotswappable?
Better yet, would you give the option of selling them hotswappable?
Is there any way to mod these so they are hotswappable?
Better yet, would you give the option of selling them hotswappable?
Just to confirm, you're not going to be offering extra PCB for sale, correct? Just the one that is included with the board.
Just to confirm, you're not going to be offering extra PCB for sale, correct? Just the one that is included with the board.
No extra PCBs.
Just to confirm, you're not going to be offering extra PCB for sale, correct? Just the one that is included with the board.
No extra PCBs.
Can always make some more? higher qty may drive down price too
Just to confirm, you're not going to be offering extra PCB for sale, correct? Just the one that is included with the board.
No extra PCBs.
Any updates on an ETA?
Any updates on an ETA?
When it's ready
Any updates on an ETA?
When it's ready
Any updates on an ETA?
When it's ready
Was the intention to be rude here? I've seen this as a welcoming community and this comes off as unnecessarily abrasive.
Any updates on an ETA?
When it's ready
Was the intention to be rude here? I've seen this as a welcoming community and this comes off as unnecessarily abrasive.
Any updates on an ETA?
When it's ready
Was the intention to be rude here? I've seen this as a welcoming community and this comes off as unnecessarily abrasive.
If there’s any update, he will post it here.
Otherwise, you’re just acting like a “Are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet oh please are we there yet?” kid in a car.
Any updates on an ETA?
When it's ready
Was the intention to be rude here? I've seen this as a welcoming community and this comes off as unnecessarily abrasive.
Any updates on an ETA?
When it's ready
Was the intention to be rude here? I've seen this as a welcoming community and this comes off as unnecessarily abrasive.
If there’s any update, he will post it here.
Otherwise, you’re just acting like a “Are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet oh please are we there yet?” kid in a car.
It had been a month since the last update. I don't get that vibe from the original question at all.I'm pretty sure this project is not really in "interest check" phase. Zambumon mentioned that this board has what he likes, nothing more; it's also already made and in hand.
It had been a month since the last update. I don't get that vibe from the original question at all.I'm pretty sure this project is not really in "interest check" phase. Zambumon mentioned that this board has what he likes, nothing more; it's also already made and in hand.
It's also probably made in small numbers and not likely to be made more according to demand.
Sometimes people have projects that go to private group buy. I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of those.
Available Units: between 30 and 35. Raffle sale. ---> really? so small quantities
Available Units: between 30 and 35. Raffle sale. ---> really? so small quantities...
i have no idea when that will be even though i talk to the dude 6 out of 7 days a week
Available Units: between 30 and 35. Raffle sale. ---> really? so small quantities...
i have no idea when that will be even though i talk to the dude 6 out of 7 days a week
Weird flex but ok.. :P
I keed I keed, my dude. Just love that weird flex meme! :DAvailable Units: between 30 and 35. Raffle sale. ---> really? so small quantities...
i have no idea when that will be even though i talk to the dude 6 out of 7 days a week
Weird flex but ok.. :P
wasnt intended to be a flex but it would seem that it has come off as one
true flex would be knowing when the gb was gonna happen and then not telling you guys about it
considering i cant keep my mouth shut, i think most of you know thats not the case
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Did this happen already?
Pretty sure it went to a private group buy. :(
Pretty sure it went to a private group buy. :(
Pretty sure it went to a private group buy. :(
Nope. Zambumon still has them in hand and will post the GB when ready.
Pretty sure it went to a private group buy. :(
Nope. Zambumon still has them in hand and will post the GB when ready.
Pretty sure it went to a private group buy. :(
Nope. Zambumon still has them in hand and will post the GB when ready.
Correct.
Are blue boards still slated to be sold? Last I remember you mentioned there were some issues with the color?
I've talked to Zambumon about this idea and fully support it :thumb: This is a good way to fairly establish market prices and reallocate "flip profit" to the designer. Best of luck!Agreed, and very well said!
Hmm, your board your choice. Feels like a money grab play tho for sure.
Hmm, your board your choice. Feels like a money grab play tho for sure.
oh so selling the board for 410 and then watching it get flipped for 1k on MM is ok
Hmm, your board your choice. Feels like a money grab play tho for sure.
oh so selling the board for 410 and then watching it get flipped for 1k on MM is ok
I never said either of those things lol
Hmm, your board your choice. Feels like a money grab play tho for sure.
oh so selling the board for 410 and then watching it get flipped for 1k on MM is ok
I never said either of those things lol
not specifically you
but i know a lot of designers get annoyed when they sell a board at 400 (generally making 50-100 per board at most) and then watch it get flipped on MM for 2-3x what they sold it for
they don't see any of that cost, but it was still their work
like rotb said, reallocates the money back to the designer instead of the aftermarket
Its frustrating for sure. And I'm okay with prices going up to combat that. I want designers to be excited and compensated for sure.
But this hobby would be stiffled pretty quick if it heads toward richest gets it. FCFS and/or raffle gives the little guy a chance. It gets everyone excited and participating and keeps the hype up.
I think if it moves to only the richest can get things, that hype will die down and there will just be a new elite only sbbset of the community.
Thats a drastic timeline and who knows how zamb will continue to do it going forward. But I wanted to add my two cents to the thread. Which if anyone can relate to adding two cents to a thread, you could.
Thats a drastic timeline and who knows how zamb will continue to do it going forward.
Hmm, your board your choice. Feels like a money grab play tho for sure.
oh so selling the board for 410 and then watching it get flipped for 1k on MM is ok
I never said either of those things lol
not specifically you
but i know a lot of designers get annoyed when they sell a board at 400 (generally making 50-100 per board at most) and then watch it get flipped on MM for 2-3x what they sold it for
they don't see any of that cost, but it was still their work
like rotb said, reallocates the money back to the designer instead of the aftermarket
I don't understand this argument at all. Nothing about this prevents the board from getting flipped at a higher cost down the line and it's nonsensical that the designer of a product should feel entitled to some kind of royalties from a sale between two third parties with an agreed upon price by those parties. If he's so concerned with making whatever amount he deems appropriate to feel fully compensated, he should run it like an actual GB and charge an amount that gets him a profit he's happy with, and accept the fact that he has no control over what other people do with the product once it's sold.
did you read zambumon's post?
did you read zambumon's post?
Which?
I was specifically commenting on your argument for defending the auction.
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Good day,
Here is an update regarding Verne and how it will be sold.
Back in 2018, I fronted the money for a production run of about 30 Verne keyboards. While this is not the usual approach, especially for a first-time group buy runner, it is the one I took because I felt more comfortable doing it this way.
So, here is the big news:
Next week I'll be selling 8 Oblivion Grey Verne (with either Classic or Modern layouts) using a Vickrey auction at a starting price of $410.
This is a sealed-bid auction (meaning that bidders will submit their bids without knowing the bid of the other people in the auction) where the top 8 bidders will get a board, and the price to be paid will be set by the eighth-highest bid. Only one bid per person, and a Geekhack ID created before April 1, 2019 is required to participate. I reserve the right to accept or decline your bid.
A Google form will be open from Wednesday, May 15 at 18:00 CEST to Thursday, May 16 18:00 CEST. You won't be able to modify your response, so please make sure that everything is correct before submitting your entry.
The final price will be announced not long after the form closes, and winners will be contacted at that point The winners will remain anonymous unless they want otherwise.
To sum up:
- On May 19, 8 Oblivion Grey Verne will be auctioned.
- Auction format: Vickrey auction, seal-bids. The top 8 bidders get a board, the price paid will be the eighth-highest bid.
- Only one bid per person. A Geekhack account created before April 1, 2019 is required to participate. Entries with the same shipping address will be deleted.
- Shipping: the boards will be shipped from Spain which should be 17€ for EU, around $50-$60 for the US and Canada and around $60-$70 to Asia.
- Payment: Payment will be through PayPal or SEPA (EU members only). A maximum of 4.5% in Paypal fees will be applied to your invoice.
- EU members: as the boards will be sold from Spain, please take this in consideration when bidding. A 21% VAT will be added to your invoice.
- NON-EU members: you will be responsible for any customs fees at the time of delivery.
I will decide how the rest of the boards will be sold once the auction concludes.
Hmm, your board your choice. Feels like a money grab play tho for sure.
oh so selling the board for 410 and then watching it get flipped for 1k on MM is ok
Hmm, your board your choice. Feels like a money grab play tho for sure.
oh so selling the board for 410 and then watching it get flipped for 1k on MM is ok
I am all for the auction style, or whichever method Zambumon deems fit for selling his boards. But the reason for the high prices on r/mm has to do with the limited qty of the boards, not the method of sale. A higher OG sale price could entail a even higher after-market price. Just make more after the first round and no one will be stupid enough to pay absurd prices.
From a purely business perspective, why would you risk your reputation to sell a few boards due to risk of aftermarket flippers? Everything runs on supply and demand. Selling these boards off now at an already premium price and then committing to a future group buy would eliminate flipper prices and wouldn't make people feel negative towards you. You'd also make more money that way anyway. (if that is your aim)
I realize he is a designer and not a business, but there is a reason companies like Zeal and RAMA are so successful. They have great design and make enough boards to fill demand. Since they sell as a premium product, they come with a premium price.
I don't support flippers or sales tactics like these so I will have to be out. I will say however that it is a great design, and one that deserves to be in more hands. Good luck!
Thats a drastic timeline and who knows how zamb will continue to do it going forward.
Movin forward Jules, Andromeda, and Percebe will be done using a standard group buy approach. All the keysets that I have planned at the moment (MT3 Serika, GMK Nautilus Nightmares, GMK Nautilus, and please consider purchasing GMK Striker) will be done using a standard group buy approach.
But if I do a board by myself, I'd prefer to front the money and have all the boards made. I feel more comfortable that way.
... Andromeda, and Percebe will be done using a standard group buy approach.
This either reduces the after market price relative to the retail price or this auction might backfire and cause the after market pricing to scale off of a high auction price for what could be partially considered as retail. Interesting because if any of the 8 auction units decide to sell, they will at the very least sell at cost. That might be much higher than the retail for the other units or around the same. So if someone who got this board not through the auction, then they could adjust their aftermarket price of this board to be the same as the person who bought the board via auction. It can easily give an excuse to flip since who could say that you are selling at cost via auction and noone would be the wiser. In this sense the blind auction could severely backfire. I think having all units be FCFS and/or raffle would be better than this model. This might increase flip prices because you are essentially giving people a blank check as to what they can value the board at since there is no distinguishing a non auction unit and an auction. The two groups would have different ideas of what after market is, but if the auction group pays much more than the non auction group, then their aftermarket value will be inflated. There is no stopping the non auction group from saying that they got the board through auction and charging high aftermarket prices for their board.
With how much the hobby is expanding, I doubt it will just be 8 people. Who knows what those 8 people will pay for their verne. The problem arises when they decide to sell it aftermarket. Noone reasonable person will sell at a loss, they will be putting it up on MM for at least what they paid for it, most likely more. Since their retail price was much higher, the price at which they sell verne will be higher as well (if they choose to do so) than the standard buy units. Since you can't know who got an auction unit or not without some sort of proof of purchase, any person in the normal buy could charge much more aftermarket under the justification that they received a unit via the auction, and you wouldn't be able to tell who was lying or not without a proof of purchase. This auction could backfire and promote flipping rather than give more of the flip money to the creator.This either reduces the after market price relative to the retail price or this auction might backfire and cause the after market pricing to scale off of a high auction price for what could be partially considered as retail. Interesting because if any of the 8 auction units decide to sell, they will at the very least sell at cost. That might be much higher than the retail for the other units or around the same. So if someone who got this board not through the auction, then they could adjust their aftermarket price of this board to be the same as the person who bought the board via auction. It can easily give an excuse to flip since who could say that you are selling at cost via auction and noone would be the wiser. In this sense the blind auction could severely backfire. I think having all units be FCFS and/or raffle would be better than this model. This might increase flip prices because you are essentially giving people a blank check as to what they can value the board at since there is no distinguishing a non auction unit and an auction. The two groups would have different ideas of what after market is, but if the auction group pays much more than the non auction group, then their aftermarket value will be inflated. There is no stopping the non auction group from saying that they got the board through auction and charging high aftermarket prices for their board.
I am confused. How does the choice of how the sale is conducted affect the aftermarket price?
The aftermarket price is determined by the intersection of demand and supply. If anything the aftermarket price after the Vickeray auction is going to be lower than a FCFS or raffle, ceteris paribus. The reason is because the 8 people who are prepared to pay the most for the board are no longer in the market to buy a board after the Vickeray auction. By contrast, after a FCFS or raffle, it is highly likely that the 8 people who will pay most for the board are still in the secondary market for buying a Verne, hence increasing the price at which demand and supply will meet.
With how much the hobby is expanding, I doubt it will just be 8 people. Who knows what those 8 people will pay for their verne. The problem arises when they decide to sell it aftermarket. Noone reasonable person will sell at a loss, they will be putting it up on MM for at least what they paid for it, most likely more. Since their retail price was much higher, the price at which they sell verne will be higher as well (if they choose to do so) than the standard buy units. Since you can't know who got an auction unit or not without some sort of proof of purchase, any person in the normal buy could charge much more aftermarket under the justification that they received a unit via the auction, and you wouldn't be able to tell who was lying or not without a proof of purchase. This auction could backfire and promote flipping rather than give more of the flip money to the creator.This either reduces the after market price relative to the retail price or this auction might backfire and cause the after market pricing to scale off of a high auction price for what could be partially considered as retail. Interesting because if any of the 8 auction units decide to sell, they will at the very least sell at cost. That might be much higher than the retail for the other units or around the same. So if someone who got this board not through the auction, then they could adjust their aftermarket price of this board to be the same as the person who bought the board via auction. It can easily give an excuse to flip since who could say that you are selling at cost via auction and noone would be the wiser. In this sense the blind auction could severely backfire. I think having all units be FCFS and/or raffle would be better than this model. This might increase flip prices because you are essentially giving people a blank check as to what they can value the board at since there is no distinguishing a non auction unit and an auction. The two groups would have different ideas of what after market is, but if the auction group pays much more than the non auction group, then their aftermarket value will be inflated. There is no stopping the non auction group from saying that they got the board through auction and charging high aftermarket prices for their board.
I am confused. How does the choice of how the sale is conducted affect the aftermarket price?
The aftermarket price is determined by the intersection of demand and supply. If anything the aftermarket price after the Vickeray auction is going to be lower than a FCFS or raffle, ceteris paribus. The reason is because the 8 people who are prepared to pay the most for the board are no longer in the market to buy a board after the Vickeray auction. By contrast, after a FCFS or raffle, it is highly likely that the 8 people who will pay most for the board are still in the secondary market for buying a Verne, hence increasing the price at which demand and supply will meet.
With how much the hobby is expanding, I doubt it will just be 8 people. Who knows what those 8 people will pay for their verne. The problem arises when they decide to sell it aftermarket. Noone reasonable person will sell at a loss, they will be putting it up on MM for at least what they paid for it, most likely more. Since their retail price was much higher, the price at which they sell verne will be higher as well (if they choose to do so) than the standard buy units. Since you can't know who got an auction unit or not without some sort of proof of purchase, any person in the normal buy could charge much more aftermarket under the justification that they received a unit via the auction, and you wouldn't be able to tell who was lying or not without a proof of purchase. This auction could backfire and promote flipping rather than give more of the flip money to the creator.This either reduces the after market price relative to the retail price or this auction might backfire and cause the after market pricing to scale off of a high auction price for what could be partially considered as retail. Interesting because if any of the 8 auction units decide to sell, they will at the very least sell at cost. That might be much higher than the retail for the other units or around the same. So if someone who got this board not through the auction, then they could adjust their aftermarket price of this board to be the same as the person who bought the board via auction. It can easily give an excuse to flip since who could say that you are selling at cost via auction and noone would be the wiser. In this sense the blind auction could severely backfire. I think having all units be FCFS and/or raffle would be better than this model. This might increase flip prices because you are essentially giving people a blank check as to what they can value the board at since there is no distinguishing a non auction unit and an auction. The two groups would have different ideas of what after market is, but if the auction group pays much more than the non auction group, then their aftermarket value will be inflated. There is no stopping the non auction group from saying that they got the board through auction and charging high aftermarket prices for their board.
I am confused. How does the choice of how the sale is conducted affect the aftermarket price?
The aftermarket price is determined by the intersection of demand and supply. If anything the aftermarket price after the Vickeray auction is going to be lower than a FCFS or raffle, ceteris paribus. The reason is because the 8 people who are prepared to pay the most for the board are no longer in the market to buy a board after the Vickeray auction. By contrast, after a FCFS or raffle, it is highly likely that the 8 people who will pay most for the board are still in the secondary market for buying a Verne, hence increasing the price at which demand and supply will meet.
I feel like this expectation of people to be able to sell their boards for what they purchased it at (or more) is kinda crazy. I haven’t seen other hobbies where you can sell used items for the same price they were purchased. Just some food for thought
Artisans auction off keycaps regularly and receive little to no pushback, but there appears to be a sense of entitlement regarding customs that does not exist in the artisan market. Please consider that keyboard designers are equally deserving of benefiting from their work.
I like how everyone runs to their high school economics notes to get some vocabulary words to use on GH when a designer decides to try a new sales method.
I just don't see anything about this to justify it being considered anything unique, special or worthy of it being considered a classic. It's a very basic design with no innovation. The only thing even noteworthy about this is that it's colormatched to keysets...Anyone could have the same thing done at their local powdercoating shop.
I do agree that a designer deserves credit for their work. I just don't see this deserving anything more than a group buy price and definitely not worthy of it being called a high end, collectors piece.
I just don't see anything about this to justify it being considered anything unique, special or worthy of it being considered a classic. It's a very basic design with no innovation. The only thing even noteworthy about this is that it's colormatched to keysets...Anyone could have the same thing done at their local powdercoating shop.
I do agree that a designer deserves credit for their work. I just don't see this deserving anything more than a group buy price and definitely not worthy of it being called a high end, collectors piece.
That is entirely up to the people submitting the bids isn't it? Feel free to submit a bid for $410 though and hope enough people agree with your assessment
I just don't see anything about this to justify it being considered anything unique, special or worthy of it being considered a classic.
I just don't see anything about this to justify it being considered anything unique, special or worthy of it being considered a classic.
Check out Mr. Reverse Psychology steal yo keyboard right here. Master level to suppress the high bids.
/Popcorn
Nah. As I said earlier, I think there's far more interesting and unique projects that I'd rather give money to at even the group buy cost than this.
Nah. As I said earlier, I think there's far more interesting and unique projects that I'd rather give money to at even the group buy cost than this.
Please consider purchasing GMK Striker. Pre-orders close on May 18.
My SA Nautilus kit has been idle long enough.Wait for the nautilus blue color. They are perfect combination ^-^
My SA Nautilus kit has been idle long enough.Wait for the nautilus blue color. They are perfect combination ^-^
No, as the current responses have indicated, people are not happy with selling these to the highest bidder. There will always be flipping as long as there is constrained supply. That's how supply and demand works.
Curious what these eventually went for?
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Wow, I honestly thought this would go higher. To me this is like the corvette of keyboards with the curves it has.
It honestly went higher than I expected.
I wonder if all of the buyers will actually pay the invoice.
It honestly went higher than I expected.
I wonder if all of the buyers will actually pay the invoice.
Why wouldn't they? Their bids would have been even higher than the final price. Unless they were all troll bids I guess.
It honestly went higher than I expected.
I wonder if all of the buyers will actually pay the invoice.
Why wouldn't they? Their bids would have been even higher than the final price. Unless they were all troll bids I guess.
Because if you basically wanted to guarantee yourself a spot, you would bid something high like $2,000 and then you could wait and see what the final price was and make a decision.
This type of auction doesn't work if people that bid can back out.
I got lucky and saved myself $600 :) no way I'm paying $750 for a keyboard.
Thanks for sharing the results! It's obvious there's still plenty of demand above your original estimated price. Are you planning to have more made and hold more auctions based on this?
Damn, smart of the guy that bid $753.But he or she only saved 3 bucks. Lol
Damn, smart of the guy that bid $753.But he or she only saved 3 bucks. Lol
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Auction Public Data. (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Nzj0F3RroXWSAXoscuvmYlp8fYjnAng_e0miJGeKmC8/edit#gid=0) You guys can guess who was one of the "No">asking price is $410