Hey mate, any more information about how this magnet system works ? I could see six top and six bottom magnets holding it in place, you'd need six magnets on the plate as well though at least and magnets on the side to prevent it from bouncing off the edges of the case wouldn't you?the system uses 4 magnets in the plate 4 magnets on the bottom and 4 magnets on the top. Unfortunately I can not give too much more info, but I can assure you there will be no lateral movemeant.
Do you have a prototype?Hey mate, any more information about how this magnet system works ? I could see six top and six bottom magnets holding it in place, you'd need six magnets on the plate as well though at least and magnets on the side to prevent it from bouncing off the edges of the case wouldn't you?the system uses 4 magnets in the plate 4 magnets on the bottom and 4 magnets on the top. Unfortunately I can not give too much more info, but I can assure you there will be no lateral movemeant.
If you read the ic it states that the porto will be arriving in a few weeks!Do you have a prototype?Hey mate, any more information about how this magnet system works ? I could see six top and six bottom magnets holding it in place, you'd need six magnets on the plate as well though at least and magnets on the side to prevent it from bouncing off the edges of the case wouldn't you?the system uses 4 magnets in the plate 4 magnets on the bottom and 4 magnets on the top. Unfortunately I can not give too much more info, but I can assure you there will be no lateral movemeant.
Alrighty then, I'll reserve judgement until the proto ships, I personally don't think you'll be able to fully isolate it with just 12 magnets, it would need some form of alignment pins if the magnets are in repel/repel to stop it skating off the side, if they're in attract/attract it won't skate off the side but it will instantly crash into the top or bottom and won't float. but hey, maybe you know more about magnets than I do.Like I said there is a solution to the issue I just cant share it.
this is amazing. btw, have you designed any magnetic shielding, it would be nice to enjoy this board without killing my watches and banks cards :)
So, you expect to sell a board for $400-$700 with a "new" mounting style without showing the internals?
1. Will you be considering other vendors? Near unlimited GB is not easy at allThe kk did all the work for me :) No treeleaf needed
2. Is this your first proto? Has there been any testing for the mount other than the proto that is shipping soon?
3. You are, understandably, reserved regarding the details of the internals. That said, there are still many crucial information missing in the main IC post. Please consider adding the following information.
Adjusted front height, typing angle, unbuilt mass, plate renders (any cuts? Standoff locations if any?), hotswap PCB layout and renders of more than 2 angles.
Hey mate, any more information about how this magnet system works ? I could see six top and six bottom magnets holding it in place, you'd need six magnets on the plate as well though at least and magnets on the side to prevent it from bouncing off the edges of the case wouldn't you?the system uses 4 magnets in the plate 4 magnets on the bottom and 4 magnets on the top. Unfortunately I can not give too much more info, but I can assure you there will be no lateral movemeant.
Alrighty then, I'll reserve judgement until the proto ships, I personally don't think you'll be able to fully isolate it with just 12 magnets, it would need some form of alignment pins if the magnets are in repel/repel to stop it skating off the side, if they're in attract/attract it won't skate off the side but it will instantly crash into the top or bottom and won't float. but hey, maybe you know more about magnets than I do.Like I said there is a solution to the issue I just cant share it.
Wait, my friend you're 15 Pls dont run group buy!!I have already successfully ran a GB for the Gentleman 65. The board was also made in-house. I don't think that my credibility should be a concearn.
Alrighty then, I'll reserve judgement until the proto ships, I personally don't think you'll be able to fully isolate it with just 12 magnets, it would need some form of alignment pins if the magnets are in repel/repel to stop it skating off the side, if they're in attract/attract it won't skate off the side but it will instantly crash into the top or bottom and won't float. but hey, maybe you know more about magnets than I do.Like I said there is a solution to the issue I just cant share it.
Like many others, I am highly skeptical of this IC:
1. The price range is too high, $300 of variation tells us either the design is incomplete or you don't know what interest will be like.
2. You can't make claims like "fully levitating" without having some form of proof of concept. You've provided no internal renders, yet claim that there will be no lateral movement. While this doesn't sound impossible, it does sound very difficult. If you're concerned about IP, you can always patent your design. But to make incredible claims with no proof-of-concept leaves me, and others, skeptical.
3. Is this your first board? If so, I'd recommend a smaller quantity GB like 50-150 units. Don't get greedy. An unlimited groupbuy implies you expect 1000+ orders, and at that quantity, you're most definitely taking advantage of economies of scale.
Explain your mounting system or the IC is useless. People would only put their money into something that they can understand / believe in.
Explain your mounting system or the IC is useless. People would only put their money into something that they can understand / believe in.
Maybe 4 years ago this was true. Not anymore.
Plus, sending a few proto's to the popular streamers will alleviate any concerns most people will have. Relying on a blown-up image means nothing if you can watch someone talk through building a case.
Explain your mounting system or the IC is useless. People would only put their money into something that they can understand / believe in.
Maybe 4 years ago this was true. Not anymore.
Plus, sending a few proto's to the popular streamers will alleviate any concerns most people will have. Relying on a blown-up image means nothing if you can watch someone talk through building a case.
Not true at all.
Sending protos to popular streamers does the exact same thing - the streamers will explain how the board is put together. No one's going to buy it if they don't know how it's put together / works. I just don't see the point of NOT showing the internals if people are going to find out later anyway through a streamer? You think the streamer's also going to keep this a secret and say "just buy it"? Not a chance lol... otherwise I'd be impressed if you could show me a single keyboard that went to GB without the mounting system being shown / revealed.
Explain your mounting system or the IC is useless. People would only put their money into something that they can understand / believe in.
Maybe 4 years ago this was true. Not anymore.
Plus, sending a few proto's to the popular streamers will alleviate any concerns most people will have. Relying on a blown-up image means nothing if you can watch someone talk through building a case.
Not true at all.
Sending protos to popular streamers does the exact same thing - the streamers will explain how the board is put together. No one's going to buy it if they don't know how it's put together / works. I just don't see the point of NOT showing the internals if people are going to find out later anyway through a streamer? You think the streamer's also going to keep this a secret and say "just buy it"? Not a chance lol... otherwise I'd be impressed if you could show me a single keyboard that went to GB without the mounting system being shown / revealed.
ROFL, keeping things a secret...Right dude, I'm sure that's exactly what the OP is doing here.
There's 100+ keyboards that have gone to GB and been successful without showing the internals. Pay more attention.
If you don't like the internals not being shown, don't buy it. In this absolutely stupid market we're in, people will buy anything. Especially if streamers like it. You don't speak for anyone here, and never confuse you not buying something with the overall market.
Explain your mounting system or the IC is useless. People would only put their money into something that they can understand / believe in.
Maybe 4 years ago this was true. Not anymore.
Plus, sending a few proto's to the popular streamers will alleviate any concerns most people will have. Relying on a blown-up image means nothing if you can watch someone talk through building a case.
Explain your mounting system or the IC is useless. People would only put their money into something that they can understand / believe in.
Maybe 4 years ago this was true. Not anymore.
Plus, sending a few proto's to the popular streamers will alleviate any concerns most people will have. Relying on a blown-up image means nothing if you can watch someone talk through building a case.
are you daft?you quite literally said the same thing by saying the board would be sent to a streamer or it would have to be demonstrated to "alleviate any concerns most people will have"
Explain your mounting system or the IC is useless. People would only put their money into something that they can understand / believe in.
Maybe 4 years ago this was true. Not anymore.
Plus, sending a few proto's to the popular streamers will alleviate any concerns most people will have. Relying on a blown-up image means nothing if you can watch someone talk through building a case.
Not true at all.
Sending protos to popular streamers does the exact same thing - the streamers will explain how the board is put together. No one's going to buy it if they don't know how it's put together / works. I just don't see the point of NOT showing the internals if people are going to find out later anyway through a streamer? You think the streamer's also going to keep this a secret and say "just buy it"? Not a chance lol... otherwise I'd be impressed if you could show me a single keyboard that went to GB without the mounting system being shown / revealed.
ROFL, keeping things a secret...Right dude, I'm sure that's exactly what the OP is doing here.
There's 100+ keyboards that have gone to GB and been successful without showing the internals. Pay more attention.
If you don't like the internals not being shown, don't buy it. In this absolutely stupid market we're in, people will buy anything. Especially if streamers like it. You don't speak for anyone here, and never confuse you not buying something with the overall market.
Give me an example of a board with a "new novel mounting system" that has gone to GB without anyone knowing how the board is mounted.
Explain your mounting system or the IC is useless. People would only put their money into something that they can understand / believe in.
Maybe 4 years ago this was true. Not anymore.
Plus, sending a few proto's to the popular streamers will alleviate any concerns most people will have. Relying on a blown-up image means nothing if you can watch someone talk through building a case.
are you daft?you quite literally said the same thing by saying the board would be sent to a streamer or it would have to be demonstrated to "alleviate any concerns most people will have"
Go back and read what he wrote. He clearly said no one would buy it unless he posted an exploded view in this IC, which simply isn't true. I pointed out exactly how it could be shown and how it will still sell.
So my question to you...Are you daft?
That's not what you said at all. You said no board would sell unless an IC contains an exploded view of the internals, which again, is 100% not true.
Lost in all the (understandably) suspicious asking of IF and HOW questions is the fact that no one thus far has addressed the more fundamental question of WHY.
What will the maglev actually offer the user? Will it be quiet because of the physical isolation of the plate, or reverberant because of the lack of sealed walls? Will the magnets be strong enough to prevent contact when thumping the keys hard? If so, won't that feel kind of like there are no magnets at all, but just a solid surface? These and other questions of the sort should be addressed.
Lost in all the (understandably) suspicious asking of IF and HOW questions is the fact that no one thus far has addressed the more fundamental question of WHY.
What will the maglev actually offer the user? Will it be quiet because of the physical isolation of the plate, or reverberant because of the lack of sealed walls? Will the magnets be strong enough to prevent contact when thumping the keys hard? If so, won't that feel kind of like there are no magnets at all, but just a solid surface? These and other questions of the sort should be addressed.
As mentioned before, regard this user with EXTREME skepticism.Bump
He's been attempting to hide his age by deleting posts where he admits what grade he was in school.
https://archive.is/oU3bf
If he was in 8th grade in October 2019, that puts him at 14-15 years old today.
His reddit account is 4 years old.
That means he was 10 or 11 when he created it and likely will be permanently suspended for being an useraged user when he created the account.
Also, lots of questions about having a 14-15 year old run an unlimited group buy. Who's actually handling the money?
Also, no prototypes. Just renders.
Mega sus all the way around.
The secrecy stems from OP wanting to patent his magnetic suspension mounting system. They fear that someone would steal their mounting system, at least that is what I gathered from their response on Discord.
Lost in all the (understandably) suspicious asking of IF and HOW questions is the fact that no one thus far has addressed the more fundamental question of WHY.The magnet mount is intended to create a very isolated mount. The goal is to almost completely isolate switch noise. The thickness and grade of the magnets will be tuned based on information from the proto. The final product will most likely include multiple strengths of magnets so users can choose between a flexy mount and a harder mount. There is quite a large gap to the bottom of the case so hitting the bottom will not be an issue.
What will the maglev actually offer the user? Will it be quiet because of the physical isolation of the plate, or reverberant because of the lack of sealed walls? Will the magnets be strong enough to prevent contact when thumping the keys hard? If so, won't that feel kind of like there are no magnets at all, but just a solid surface? These and other questions of the sort should be addressed.
As mentioned before, regard this user with EXTREME skepticism.
He's been attempting to hide his age by deleting posts where he admits what grade he was in school.
https://archive.is/oU3bf
If he was in 8th grade in October 2019, that puts him at 14-15 years old today.
His reddit account is 4 years old.
That means he was 10 or 11 when he created it and likely will be permanently suspended for being an useraged user when he created the account.
Also, lots of questions about having a 14-15 year old run an unlimited group buy. Who's actually handling the money?
Also, no prototypes. Just renders.
Mega sus all the way around.
The secrecy stems from OP wanting to patent his magnetic suspension mounting system. They fear that someone would steal their mounting system, at least that is what I gathered from their response on Discord.
maybe OP should learn terms like "prior art" and "obviousness" before mommy and daddy shell out for an intellectual property lawyer
The secrecy stems from OP wanting to patent his magnetic suspension mounting system. They fear that someone would steal their mounting system, at least that is what I gathered from their response on Discord.I think you should speak on your intentions with the patent as well. Do you intend on disallowing anyone in the community from using a similar (magnets with inward force applied) mounting system, or charging a fee for usage? I think that'd be a really ****ing dirty maneuver, especially considering the inspiration you've clearly taken from Lodestone and Orca.
The secrecy stems from OP wanting to patent his magnetic suspension mounting system. They fear that someone would steal their mounting system, at least that is what I gathered from their response on Discord.showing photos and talking about a thing, meka it impossible to patent.
ITT: People mad because they're not as smart as a 15 year old.
The secrecy stems from OP wanting to patent his magnetic suspension mounting system. They fear that someone would steal their mounting system, at least that is what I gathered from their response on Discord.
and you guys crucifying someone who’s already done a group buy for making spelling errors and deleting comments? Are you for real?Welcome to geekhack
Lol I know that there are multiple designers out there who’ve run successful group buys with as much or more logistics than average. I’d say give the kid a chance but he already proved himself at some level with a previous design and groupbuy. This hobby attracts a lot of big geeky nerds with big geeky brains, so I don’t understand why it’s so difficult to give constructive feedback now and wait for a proto to be sent to a streamer before dumping on the guy. He obviously understands the logistical side of things well enough so give him a chance to prove himself at least (especially bc he already ran a gb).
As for handling transparency regarding his age well, sure. He didn’t come out and straight up say “btw I’m not really shaving yet” but can you blame him after reading exhibit A: this thread? I was throwing eggs at people’s houses and doing other dumb **** when I was a kid, and you guys crucifying someone who’s already done a group buy for making spelling errors and deleting comments? Are you for real?
ITT: People mad because they're not as smart as a 15 year old.The secrecy stems from OP wanting to patent his magnetic suspension mounting system. They fear that someone would steal their mounting system, at least that is what I gathered from their response on Discord.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104704.0 <-- Prior art. His patent would be instantly invalidated.
I guess a 15 year old being cagey about providing more than renders for his 'original idea' despite prior art makes him 'smart.'
The point is simply this: The way he has handled this IC doesn't inspire confidence. Deleting old threads that reveal his age, showing only 3 color swapped and otherwise identical renders, making claims without providing any sort of evidence to allay concerns... Either he's completely in over his head with the realities of a group buy of this complexity or... he's running a scam after doing a 'successful' small time project that required no skill. No shortage of that happening in this hobby.
showing photos and talking about a thing, meka it impossible to patent.
once you speak about it, it becomes "prior art"
Reading some of the vitriol on this threadKeyboards make me very very very very very very very very very very very enthusiastic!!!!!!!!!!
All I can say is - y'all need therapy. Keyboards alone shouldn't be making you THIS mad
Go outside and have a walk. Everything will be okay.
Can you explain to me why his age matters
i've just have a phone call with the man that handle the patents of my company.showing photos and talking about a thing, meka it impossible to patent.
once you speak about it, it becomes "prior art"
while I seriously doubt this design would be patentable (for example, for being obvious over the Lodestone and/or Orca), you're wrong if you're talking about U.S. law here. Under § 102(b)(1)(A), the inventor can disclose the invention as long as they file within a year of the disclosure. (In the EU, by contrast, my understanding is that any disclosure prior to filing voids the novelty of the invention.)
Can you explain to me why his age matters
Well, for starters, it's illegal for him to have a PayPal account. Should anyone contact Paypal about JJ, his account is dead. Funds frozen. He hasn't said who his "business partner" is and whether or not they're handling the finances.
It was illegal for him to create a Reddit account when he did.
As it has been mentioned elsewhere, it's illegal for him to enter into any business contract due to his age... and should he do a runner, good luck going after a minor.
In this hobby, 100% of people who have tried to pull scams on me were underaged. So yes, I do have actual experience to feel like there's something to be wary about here. Since he IS underaged, the burden of proof that his GB should be legitimate is completely upon JJ should anyone raise concerns.
Yes hyper illegal for him to create a Reddit account he's going to jail, or maybe it's just against their terms of service and has no legal repercussions.
Illegal for him to enter a business contract is not true, he can have guarantors who are accepting the burden of risk on his behalf, he is still a signing part of that contract in all likelihood.
What I will say though is undertaking all the vendoring for worldwide on an unlimited group buy is a recipe for trouble although it's not likely that you're not going to reach a purchase count that can cause massive logistical issues still wouldn't be how I would run it. Keep it limited. Eitherway gl.