Does [insert kit] include [insert keycap]?
Does the core kit include scooped F & J keys?
How do I fill my keyboard?
Which keyboards can I cover with Micons?
Is this keyset fully compatible with the Corsair Strafe, Fnatic Gear Rush, or Razer’s keyboards?
Is this keyset fully compatible with the Mistel Barocco 60%, Filco Minila, or Filco Minila Air?
Can you add a 3U & 4U spacebars to the spacebars kit?
Do the keys support backlighting?
Why no ISO kit?
Which vendor do you plan to use for Serika’s Group Buy?
How much will it cost?
When will I be able to get this set?
I’m concerned about the final colors, how will you ensure that they’ll be the close to the renders?
Why is the 40s kit an add-on and not a part of the core?
$[insert price] for ABS? No way I’m paying for that.
Can you add the GMK Nautilus style ergodox keys with the doubleshot legends?
Are there any story behind the keycap color way and the novelties?
Could you split the keycaps in more kits?
Who did the renders?
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needs yellow space bar
pleeeaaaase Icon Mods, I can't stand the 1.25u shift with this legend, it just looks so bad
Are the alphas custom colour? I'm wondering if I could use the DC kit with any other sets...
Great colors, very classy take on yellow. I like the alphas and the dark gray.
How about... Pad printed secondary legends in this custom yellow color for some caps?
Great colors, very classy take on yellow. I like the alphas and the dark gray.
How about... Pad printed secondary legends in this custom yellow color for some caps?
You already know but fantastic job as always.
really like the mods, but i think the alphas are a little boring
Great colors, very classy take on yellow. I like the alphas and the dark gray.
How about... Pad printed secondary legends in this custom yellow color for some caps?
Seems like you're not taking any suggestions so why not just announce the group buy and skip the IC?
Seems like you're not taking any suggestions so why not just announce the group buy and skip the IC?
Seems like you're not taking any suggestions so why not just announce the group buy and skip the IC?
Seems like you're not taking any suggestions so why not just announce the group buy and skip the IC?
I'd prefer to avoid pad printing at all costs and just have everything doubleshot.
The only way I'd offer any icon mods would be on an add-on kit for blocknet.
Meh, doubt Massdrop will show intrested, GMK is for broke ass losers.
Meh, doubt Massdrop will show intrested, GMK is for broke ass losers.
Meh, doubt Massdrop will show intrested, GMK is for broke ass losers.I'd say that's a blatant troll.
I love this, and would be thrilled if those geometric novelties made it in. Not enough yellow love. =)
Please add R1 backspace key. Its seems every set skips that key except the sets jchan offer on his site.
What about ISO and JIS users? It's also a useful key for people with separate numpads.Please add R1 backspace key. Its seems every set skips that key except the sets jchan offer on his site.
Most people that split the backspace go with the R2 1.5U backspace. I don't think a lot of people would use them.
What about ISO and JIS users?
It's also a useful key for people with separate numpads.
Why use Massdrop? NOT a fan.
Why use Massdrop? NOT a fan.
Biggest reach unfortunately.
Since it isn't part of the MD vote I'd like to voice my support for a blocknet/micon kit for this set. :thumb:
Why use Massdrop? NOT a fan.
Why use Massdrop? NOT a fan.
Biggest reach unfortunately.
Honest question, and genuinely curious as I don't know the history here - why is Massdrop held is low regard in this community?
Nice looking keyset. But.. I would say I was really hyped by your banner, logo and all the graphical around this SERIKA (the box is amazing) but I think the keyset is very "classical", just a color scheme, few novelties, and the classical gmk look (that I personnaly don't really like xD!). I want to see what the mito icons can look like on it :D !
Edit: I don't know if it is possible, but since the theme is "geometric", could it be possible to change the font used , to maybe something more modern and symetrical, with centered character?
The keyset has a colorway that tries to balance modern and more classic design, so for some people this would fall under the "boring" category. I've received the approval from MiTo to test some of his Micons on this set. Both Hiragana and Micons kits will be posted at the same time, so please be a little bit patient about this update as I have to tweak some details before posting anything.I understand your point of view. I want to see what it will give with Hiragana and Micons :) !
Regarding the novelties, the more novelties we add, the more the kit costs. There's a decent amount of novelties on this set, so you can expect from me to do some minor tweaks but I don't want to end up with a $50 Novelty kit.
As for the font changes there are and won't be any plans to make a new font for this set. It would make the set quite expensive and lots of new molds would need to be done and tested.
Just before somebody asks this: I don't plan to expand the coverage of the Micons kit. The goal adding these four keys is to continue to ease the path for a full Micon base kit.
Serika color samples have arrived.I've published on my blog a post about them. (https://zambumon.com/2018/03/13/serika-update-1/)
TL;DR: they are close but not a perfect match with the reference color, but I'm very confident that with a second round of samples we'll get a perfect match.
Locking the thread for now, will unlocked it for kit updates.
Would love to join if there is "Pure Hiragana" set. Will you provide that as an option as well?
Serika color samples have arrived.I've published on my blog a post about them. (https://zambumon.com/2018/03/13/serika-update-1/)
TL;DR: they are close but not a perfect match with the reference color, but I'm very confident that with a second round of samples we'll get a perfect match.
Locking the thread for now, will unlocked it for kit updates.
That color turned out really good. Hopefully the GB doesn't get scuffed like other custom color buys.
Will this be going up on MassDrop ?
now it cant be said to be a boring keyset
Good Work,
Kerasan KM Labs
Pending approval for the new legends, here are the new two kits for Serika:
HiraganaShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/bHWXgUe.png)
I've marked in red some of the new additions to the Hiragana kit. Now, it includes all the secondary legends that were missing previously, punctuation signs and japanese quotation marks. Although I'm not going for a complete JIS coverage (given that it we'd need a completely different custom row and more keys), to me it felt wrong that some of the hiragana legends were missing so I decided to fix those.
MiconsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/DbZMDgQ.png)
Micons offer a solution to the icon problem, and they fit like a charm with Serika. I've done some small fixes and added 65% layout coverage to this kit, which is pending Mito's approval otherwise, the set should be fairly similar to Laser's Blocknet.
Pending approval for the new legends, here are the new two kits for Serika:
HiraganaShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/bHWXgUe.png)
I've marked in red some of the new additions to the Hiragana kit. Now, it includes all the secondary legends that were missing previously, punctuation signs and japanese quotation marks. Although I'm not going for a complete JIS coverage (given that it we'd need a completely different custom row and more keys), to me it felt wrong that some of the hiragana legends were missing so I decided to fix those.
MiconsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/DbZMDgQ.png)
Micons offer a solution to the icon problem, and they fit like a charm with Serika. I've done some small fixes and added 65% layout coverage to this kit, which is pending Mito's approval otherwise, the set should be fairly similar to Laser's Blocknet.
I don't quite get the keys with 2 of the same legend, seems odd to me, but the extension of micons is great. the lack of 65% never made any sense to me.
Would it be possible to add the missing three keys to the norde kit, so that it would cover the SWE/FI layout? (§½, 2" and 4¤)
Why is there a #~ key in the Hiragana kit? the windows layout that all of the other keys match produces the characters \| when pressed. Does windows have some other Japanese layout that would generate the characters #~ as present on the key? As far as I understand # is already on top of 3 and ~ on the left of 1. I would much appreciate it if the set would be accurate to the windows layout that it otherwise does a good job representing. :thumb:
The additional keys to the micons kit is much appreciated and I hope that Mito will approve of them. One could add an ISO enter there though, it seems like a weird thing to omit considering that it is as popular as 1.5U bottom row mods. ;)
+ISOI sense a shopping frenzy in the horizon :cool:
I think the contrast of the set would be better with black/grey arrow keys. nice work otherwise, simple yet I like it.
any reason why r3 control is centered (micons)?
I'm sorry, but this is all I see when I look at the Micons:Show Image(https://imgur.com/u5jA09R.png)
But, I do like them.
I've been waiting for double shot dark text on light Hiragana caps. Those look amazing.
I think the contrast of the set would be better with black/grey arrow keys. nice work otherwise, simple yet I like it.
The updated Geometries kit will have some of those.any reason why r3 control is centered (micons)?
None, that's one of the tweaks I was talking about on my previous post. That kit has also the wrong rows for the keycaps that provide 65% support. Don't worry all of those issues are solved on Update #2.I'm sorry, but this is all I see when I look at the Micons:Show Image(https://imgur.com/u5jA09R.png)
But, I do like them.
I've been waiting for double shot dark text on light Hiragana caps. Those look amazing.
Serika's yellow is, to my surprise, the same yellow used on many Lego. I've been tweaking the renders to reflect this and have something closer to the samples I expect to receive and the final result.
I'm sorry, but this is all I see when I look at the Micons:Show Image(https://imgur.com/u5jA09R.png)
I'm sorry, but this is all I see when I look at the Micons:Show Image(https://imgur.com/u5jA09R.png)
But, I do like them.
I've been waiting for double shot dark text on light Hiragana caps. Those look amazing.
Serika's yellow is, to my surprise, the same yellow used on many Lego. I've been tweaking the renders to reflect this and have something closer to the samples I expect to receive and the final result.
With the addition of Hiragana and Micons sets, should perhaps the alphas be separated from the core kit?
I prefer separate alphas and mods, but I see the arguments for both sides. Having lots of separate kits often lead to higher prices.
Do you know how the Serika/Lego yellow will compare to the yellow in Nautilus (GMK N6?) ? I'm considering getting just the Micons set and mixing with Nautilus keys.
Cannot get winky face caps lock out of my head hahaha. Love the mitocons!
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Update #2 will be released soon. I'm still currently making some final tweaks and making sure that everything is fine before posting anything, but it should be out this week. This update has taken me longer than what I expected as I've tweaked the colors and added new boards to my gallery. So most of the renders needed to be remade. But anyways, here is the final teaser before the update!Show Image(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/serika_m65_4.png)
Now I can't stop picturing a guy swimming hah!Cannot get winky face caps lock out of my head hahaha. Love the mitocons!
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Winky face or a person swimming? ;)
Update #2 will be released soon. I'm still currently making some final tweaks and making sure that everything is fine before posting anything, but it should be out this week. This update has taken me longer than what I expected as I've tweaked the colors and added new boards to my gallery. So most of the renders needed to be remade. But anyways, here is the final teaser before the update!Show Image(https://zambumon.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/serika_m65_4.png)
this set earned 1000 points now ... would you recommend this set only on black keyboards or the various grays?
KMK labs
Are the alphas L9 or a custom color?
i feel like the lego smiley face should be added to the novelties now :)
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Update #2 is here!
I've updated the OP with the two new kits and added new renders.
Check out the details here (https://zambumon.com/2018/03/23/serika-update-2/)
Nice, will most likely pick up a Hiragana kit for some mix n match :cool: :thumb:
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Update #2 is here!
I've updated the OP with the two new kits and added new renders.
Check out the details here (https://zambumon.com/2018/03/23/serika-update-2/)
40% kit needs a R2 1.25!!!!
This needs a yellow spacebar.
Now.. if only we can get the white spacebar without having to buy the core kit..
Hiragana + Mito really make this set catch my eyes, but black spacebar from the spacebar kit wouldn't match them, imo.
The new kits look great. The only strange thing I noticed is that the only way to get the yellow enter key is through the Dvoremak/Colemak kit (ANSI enter) or the Norde kit (ISO enter).
The new kits look great. The only strange thing I noticed is that the only way to get the yellow enter key is through the Dvoremak/Colemak kit (ANSI enter) or the Norde kit (ISO enter).
That's not correct. There's a yellow ANSI Enter, Esc, and numpad enter on the base kit. Dvorak & Colemak doesn't even have an enter.
The new kits look great. The only strange thing I noticed is that the only way to get the yellow enter key is through the Dvoremak/Colemak kit (ANSI enter) or the Norde kit (ISO enter).
That's not correct. There's a yellow ANSI Enter, Esc, and numpad enter on the base kit. Dvorak & Colemak doesn't even have an enter.
Sorry, my mistake. I guess my eyes are not that good at recognizing the ANSI enter.
But I'm pretty sure there is no yellow ISO enter in the core kit? Not in the micons kit either as far as I can see.
I'm sure it's for cost saving reasons, but just wanted to mention it in case it's an oversight.
I was originally keen on this set even tho I'm not a yellow fan and the recent additions convinced me even more :thumb:
I was originally not keen on this set because I'm not a yellow fan, but the recent additions won me over. Looks so good with Mito stuff. Nice work!
I’m not convinced by yellow, but I might have to buy this to support the fact that you seem so fricken dedicated to your work. This IC has been so awesome to watch, from the initial presentation, renders, to the updated kits and hiragana. Damn nice work and I hope you keep it up
At this point last thing I want to know is when this set will launch? Can't wait for it. ;DIf I'm not mistaken, the ball is in Massdrop's court now.
Now.. if only we can get the white spacebar without having to buy the core kit..Yes, we need a spacebar on the Hiragama kit, otherwise, you won't be able to just get Hiragamas+mod kit and that would not be nice.
Hiragana + Mito really make this set catch my eyes, but black spacebar from the spacebar kit wouldn't match them, imo.
Now.. if only we can get the white spacebar without having to buy the core kit..Yes, we need a spacebar on the Hiragama kit, otherwise, you won't be able to just get Hiragamas+mod kit and that would not be nice.
Hiragana + Mito really make this set catch my eyes, but black spacebar from the spacebar kit wouldn't match them, imo.
That's my goal. If I have to add a spacebar to the Hiragana kit, then I'd add a 6.25U, a 7.00u, and 2x 6.00U units, I'm not going to just include a 6.25U one. There's already a standalone kit that provides those caps.Now.. if only we can get the white spacebar without having to buy the core kit..Yes, we need a spacebar on the Hiragama kit, otherwise, you won't be able to just get Hiragamas+mod kit and that would not be nice.
Hiragana + Mito really make this set catch my eyes, but black spacebar from the spacebar kit wouldn't match them, imo.
Now.. if only we can get the white spacebar without having to buy the core kit..Yes, we need a spacebar on the Hiragama kit, otherwise, you won't be able to just get Hiragamas+mod kit and that would not be nice.
Hiragana + Mito really make this set catch my eyes, but black spacebar from the spacebar kit wouldn't match them, imo.
That's my goal. If I have to add a spacebar to the Hiragana kit, then I'd add a 6.25U, a 7.00u, and 2x 6.00U units, I'm not going to just include a 6.25U one. There's already a standalone kit that provides those caps.
Now.. if only we can get the white spacebar without having to buy the core kit..Yes, we need a spacebar on the Hiragama kit, otherwise, you won't be able to just get Hiragamas+mod kit and that would not be nice.
Hiragana + Mito really make this set catch my eyes, but black spacebar from the spacebar kit wouldn't match them, imo.
That's my goal. If I have to add a spacebar to the Hiragana kit, then I'd add a 6.25U, a 7.00u, and 2x 6.00U units, I'm not going to just include a 6.25U one. There's already a standalone kit that provides those caps.
3, space bar kit ,good ,but I want more yellow space bars.yellow is the mod color, not the accent color. Spacebars are always either alpha color or accent, but never mod.
3, space bar kit ,good ,but I want more yellow space bars.yellow is the mod color, not the accent color. Spacebars are always either alpha color or accent, but never mod.
zambumon show us the desk/mouse mats dedicated to the serika :p
KMK Labs.
zambumon show us the desk/mouse mats dedicated to the serika :p
KMK Labs.
Once the collabs are ready, I'll post them. Lots of talk needs to be figured out before even teasing them.
With how expansive these sets are, I am surprised there is no double zero key (00) for those with standalone numpads.
Is there any room for a double zero in this set?
It has been included in many other much smaller less expansive less high profile sets, it should also be in this one.
It's also a useful key for people with separate numpads.
That wouldn't help to properly cover standalone numpads. You'd need to add to that a R1 1.00U Tab, R1 1.00U =, an extra R1 1.00U ESC (Both in yellow and grey, to keep consistency) as well as a R4 1.00U. 00.
@Zambumon
Since you recently confirmed on instagram that the Hiragana alphas won't come with spacebars, can you please confirm if you will actually be offering a stand-alone white spacebar kit?
With how expansive these sets are, I am surprised there is no double zero key (00) for those with standalone numpads.
Is there any room for a double zero in this set?
It has been included in many other much smaller less expansive less high profile sets, it should also be in this one.
Already replied in page 1It's also a useful key for people with separate numpads.
That wouldn't help to properly cover standalone numpads. You'd need to add to that a R1 1.00U Tab, R1 1.00U =, an extra R1 1.00U ESC (Both in yellow and grey, to keep consistency) as well as a R4 1.00U. 00.
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Well, just had confirmation from the man himself, in order to get the above combo you will need to buy Hiragana alphas kit + Micons kit ... + base set, cause no stand-alone white/cream spacebars kit will be offered.
GG
Now.. if only we can get the white spacebar without having to buy the core kit..Yes, we need a spacebar on the Hiragama kit, otherwise, you won't be able to just get Hiragamas+mod kit and that would not be nice.
Hiragana + Mito really make this set catch my eyes, but black spacebar from the spacebar kit wouldn't match them, imo.
That's my goal. If I have to add a spacebar to the Hiragana kit, then I'd add a 6.25U, a 7.00u, and 2x 6.00U units, I'm not going to just include a 6.25U one. There's already a standalone kit that provides those caps.
What color is the cream? If it’s L9 couldn’t u just get them from Oco? (https://www.originativeco.com/products/gmk-spacebars?variant=32242939472)Now.. if only we can get the white spacebar without having to buy the core kit..Yes, we need a spacebar on the Hiragama kit, otherwise, you won't be able to just get Hiragamas+mod kit and that would not be nice.
Hiragana + Mito really make this set catch my eyes, but black spacebar from the spacebar kit wouldn't match them, imo.
That's my goal. If I have to add a spacebar to the Hiragana kit, then I'd add a 6.25U, a 7.00u, and 2x 6.00U units, I'm not going to just include a 6.25U one. There's already a standalone kit that provides those caps.
But there isnt a standalone kit with a cream spacebar?
Are the alphas L9 or a custom color?
Alphas are custom.
They don't have any white colors on OCo, anyway.They have L9
Nope...Gotcha.Are the alphas L9 or a custom color?
Alphas are custom.
UPDATE #3
As I wasn't happy with the kits, I thought that I had to take some steps back and change my perspective about this set. Ultimately my goal is to have an affordable set, and I was feeling that with so many kits and splitting all the orders, the set would end up costing much more. So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
Please, head over to the OP for all the updated kits.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_thread/P6wIpsNoRCqklbBFuJpZ_serika_07.png)
I know you said yellow is custom, how about alphas and the black colors?
I know you said yellow is custom, how about alphas and the black colors?
Alphas are custom
So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
Ah that's damn disappointing. Went from a must buy to no buy for me. Oh well.
I really like the set how it is right now.
Is it on purpose that the two key for the ISO layout are the same (the one next to the ISO return and the one below it)?
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Alphas are custom
The pure Latin provided much cleaner look. Considering that Alphas are custom colors, can you offer them separately as an extra kit? (for those who don't want to source alphas from another set)
I really like the set how it is right now.
Is it on purpose that the two key for the ISO layout are the same (the one next to the ISO return and the one below it)?I think you might have delete this part of your post already but still wanted to clarify: I do know where those key should be going, just doesn‘t make sense to me, that they are exactly the same key.
Yes, it is on purpose, as you need one to be placed right next to the shift key and another one right to the left of the ISO enter.
I think you might have delete this part of your post already but still wanted to clarify: I do know where those key should be going, just doesn‘t make sense to me, that they are exactly the same key.
I'll buy extras to compensate for the droppers =P.
I'll buy extras to compensate for the droppers =P.
...Keep in mind that what I want to avoid is having a Hiragana kit barely surpassing the MOQ and ending up with a more expensive base kit just because the orders were split in multiple kits.
So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
Ah that's damn disappointing. Went from a must buy to no buy for me. Oh well.
I feel the same
(maybe just micons ...maybe)
I'm completely aware that for some people, not having latin alphas on the base kit will be a deal break and that for some others the set is now more interesting, as there's only Latin+Hiragana legends, which make it more accesible if you want to use GMK's standard modifiers. Keep in mind that what I want to avoid is having a Hiragana kit barely surpassing the MOQ and ending up with a more expensive base kit just because the orders were split in multiple kits.
Exactly the same. I was pumped about this kit, but I have absolutely ZERO interest in Hiragana keycaps. I'm not Japanese, I do not speak Japanese, and I have no need nor interest in having Japanese characters on my keyboard that are solely for decoration.
Honestly, this move makes absolutely no sense to me. The worry was that Hiragana would be so low that it would hurt MOQ, and the solution is to force an already unpopular set down everyone's throat?
Seriously, this was the one keycap set I was most excited for this coming year, and now it's dead.
Please, Please reconsider this move.
I'll admit, I'm a little upset because I was looking forward to this set, it matched my computer theme and I was planning on building a board around it, but I have no use for a set of keys with an extra language on them. I also have to agree that it sort of ruins the clean look the original ones had, so unless I could somehow find a way to get 'normal' alphas that fit with the set and just bought the modifiers/novelties, I can't join in on this set anymore :[
I'll admit, I'm a little upset because I was looking forward to this set, it matched my computer theme and I was planning on building a board around it, but I have no use for a set of keys with an extra language on them. I also have to agree that it sort of ruins the clean look the original ones had, so unless I could somehow find a way to get 'normal' alphas that fit with the set and just bought the modifiers/novelties, I can't join in on this set anymore :[
I almost feel like the rug was pulled out from me....I can't express how excited I was for this set, and now it's: yeah, we're not going to do that any more. Too bad.
As I wasn't happy with the kits, I thought that I had to take some steps back and change my perspective about this set. Ultimately my goal is to have an affordable set, and I was feeling that with so many kits and splitting all the orders, the set would end up costing much more. So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
I was really pumped about this kit, but I have absolutely ZERO interest in Hiragana keycaps. I'm not Japanese, I do not speak Japanese, and I have no need nor interest in having Japanese characters on my keyboard that are solely for decoration. I have always thought caps like this look insanely cluttered....and this set was so clean before.
UPDATE #3
As I wasn't happy with the kits, I thought that I had to take some steps back and change my perspective about this set. Ultimately my goal is to have an affordable set, and I was feeling that with so many kits and splitting all the orders, the set would end up costing much more. So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
Please, head over to the OP for all the updated kits.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/img_thread/P6wIpsNoRCqklbBFuJpZ_serika_07.png)
DON'T FORGET TO VOTE FOR SERIKA! (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Serika?mode=guest_open)
I'll buy extras to compensate for the droppers =P.
...Keep in mind that what I want to avoid is having a Hiragana kit barely surpassing the MOQ and ending up with a more expensive base kit just because the orders were split in multiple kits.
Considering the massdrop poll, you're right - but it also shows how many people were interested in it.
UPDATE #3
As I wasn't happy with the kits, I thought that I had to take some steps back and change my perspective about this set. Ultimately my goal is to have an affordable set, and I was feeling that with so many kits and splitting all the orders, the set would end up costing much more. So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
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So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
)I wish this was an option. I would to this as well.
I'd definitely buy an add-on latin alpha set (and then sell the japanese alphas or w/e)
But not even having that option is really rough.
I'll try to clarify step by step why the update was done this way and breakdown all my decissions.
Serika's name is a reference to a manga (Space Brothers). So there has always been a thematic pretext to have those Hiragana legends added to the set since the very first moment I publicaly released the set. In fact, some of my early sketches for this set back in 2016 when the set was unnamed, had either Hiragana or Hangul sublegends. However, back in 2016 having those sublegends on a GMK set wasn't possible, and that's why I initially sticked to the more "standard" look.
I'll try to clarify step by step why the update was done this way and breakdown all my decissions.
Let's talk about NORDE and Colemak & Dvorak first: those two kits were too far to reach MOQ. Given how the poll, the GH thread, and Massdrop talk have gone, I can't justify having these two kits. There has only been one time when these two kits have reached MOQ, and that was Nautilus, which had objectively way more hype than Serika. As the designer of the set, I don't think it is reasonable from my side to keep this going on for every set that is run through Massdrop just for the sake of it when there's clearly not enough interest for those two kits. Otherwise we end up with unsustainable situations. (https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-redsuns-gmk-red-samurai-keycap-set/D2b38DSeToymdm2zUK36_community.jpg)
Now, let's talk about the base kit changes and removing the Hiragana kit. First of all, I'm perfectly aware of how polarizing this changes are. For some people, this is a deal breaker, and for some others a the set is now a must have. I've been always interested in sublegends and I like them a lot as they make sets very appealing, and as some of you already know, Serika's name is a reference to a manga (Space Brothers). So there has always been a thematic pretext to have those Hiragana legends added to the set since the very first moment I publicaly released the set. In fact, some of my early sketches for this set back in 2016 when the set was unnamed, had either Hiragana or Hangul sublegends. However, back in 2016 having those sublegends on a GMK set wasn't possible, and that's why I initially sticked to the more "standard" look.
Soon after update #1 was released, which added Hiragana and Micons, I started to become more and more uncomfortable with the set and its kits. For every single set, and specially for the GMK ones, the base kit is the core of the set, and everyone should get it. All base kits should be as affordable as possible, which can be achieved by having the right amount of keycaps and also reaching higher order quantities. By adding those two kits I was achieving the exact opposite of what I wanted, splitting the orders between 2 options in detriment of the core kit.
I've thought a lot about this decission, and as I've said before, I'm completely aware that for some of you is a dealbreaker, so I apologize to those of you. However, I do believe that these changes are for good.
Just to make things clear: there won't be any other major update. I don't plan to add any kits, or remove any of the present ones. I do not plan to add yellow spacebars, latin alphas, or NORDE.
I can understand your reasoning, however, I'm left with one question: why can't Latin alphas be a kit?
Just here to counter some of the negativity in the thread.
I for one still love the colorway and am hyped for when this finally releases.
In the end this is Zambumon's colorway he came up with the design and I hope that he sticks to what he had envisioned for this set and not just appeal to the masses. Obviously this can be a hard thing to do when you are trying to achieve a moq but if you are creating a set just to hit a moq then can you really call that creativity.
Definitely loved your previous designs and hope you keep up the good work Zambumon. :thumb:
I mean, looking at the Massdrop poll, you have 1,066 people voting for the Core kit and only 66...SIXTY SIX voting for Hiragana...and your solution is to make the whole core Hiragana? How do you even possibly think that's a good idea? Only 6% of people who voted in the poll wanted Hiragana legends in addition to the core kit. Honestly, I think that you personally want Hiragana, and were worried you wouldn't meet MOQ if you didn't put it in the core, so now you get your legends and what the community wants doesn't matter.
Sure I understand that...but still, only 6% of those who voted voted for hiragana. 66 people total.I mean, looking at the Massdrop poll, you have 1,066 people voting for the Core kit and only 66...SIXTY SIX voting for Hiragana...and your solution is to make the whole core Hiragana? How do you even possibly think that's a good idea? Only 6% of people who voted in the poll wanted Hiragana legends in addition to the core kit. Honestly, I think that you personally want Hiragana, and were worried you wouldn't meet MOQ if you didn't put it in the core, so now you get your legends and what the community wants doesn't matter.
You do realize that everyone that voted for Hiragana voted for the main kit, right? And because of limitations in MD polls, there were people that wanted Hiragana, but put their votes to other kits. And he did explain his reasoning- that this was what he originally intended, but didn't know if he'd be able to get it.
As someone else said, in the end, it's his set, and his design, and should reflect that. And the community can make its will known by not purchasing.
Yeah, I still think it's an insane move. Sorry. I'm still upset about the change. I still think it's the massively wrong way to go, and I think that not even offering a latin only alpha set after having it as the core for the last several months is a huge middle finger to a wide swath of those of us who were interested in the set. I'm actively angry because it feels like a bait and switch, even if I haven't put money down on it yet. It's just the total wrong way to go about things. I honestly think you'll end up with about 40% lower sales numbers as a result of this change, if not even worse. It's an absolutely terrible decision.
I mean, looking at the Massdrop poll, you have 1,066 people voting for the Core kit and only 66...SIXTY SIX voting for Hiragana...and your solution is to make the whole core Hiragana? How do you even possibly think that's a good idea? Only 6% of people who voted in the poll wanted Hiragana legends in addition to the core kit.
Honestly, I think that you personally want Hiragana, and were worried you wouldn't meet MOQ if you didn't put it in the core, so now you get your legends and what the community wants doesn't matter.
I can understand your reasoning, however, I'm left with one question: why can't Latin alphas be a kit?
This would at least be a good solution!
I can understand your reasoning, however, I'm left with one question: why can't Latin alphas be a kit?
This would at least be a good solution!
Then we would return to the previous state, which I have explained why I'm not comfortable with.
I realize not everyone has those keycaps, but it seems to me like any version of Classic two-tone Beige (vintage Cherry or more recent GMK) alphas would fill in well for the cream alphas in this set, if one wants something more simple. The legends won't be the same color, but close enough for small letters on light background.
Addressing Massdrop's poll. This is what usually happens when you add kits after the IC is launched. At the moment I added those two kits, 800 people had already voted for the set.
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Then we would return to the previous state, which I have explained why I'm not comfortable with.
Mate, it has been said countless times now that the Hiragana set was only added to the MD poll long after the poll was put in place, so the results do not accurately reflect the community's interest.
And honestly, if you feel "personally affronted" by a change in a keycaps set, you should really reconsider a few things regarding life.
Laser's base set did well, despite also offering alpha and micon sets extra. There is no indication that extra alpha sets crippled sells of the base set
UPDATE #3
Ultimately my goal is to have an affordable set, and I was feeling that with so many kits and splitting all the orders, the set would end up costing much more. So I've decided to keep things as simple as possible and have Latin+Hiragana alphas as a part of the Core.
Mate, it has been said countless times now that the Hiragana set was only added to the MD poll long after the poll was put in place, so the results do not accurately reflect the community's interest.
Yes, and he said the votes for core were at 800 when he added the Hiragana option....it's now at 1029 with 68 votes on Hiragana....(I could have sworn yesterday it was at 1066, but perhaps many (like myself) removed their vote from the core). So, 229 vs 68 (again, the numbers I used in the second one were 266 vs 66, as it was yesterday). Again, nowhere near overwhelming desire for only Hiragana.
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Mate, it has been said countless times now that the Hiragana set was only added to the MD poll long after the poll was put in place, so the results do not accurately reflect the community's interest.
Yes, and he said the votes for core were at 800 when he added the Hiragana option....it's now at 1029 with 68 votes on Hiragana....(I could have sworn yesterday it was at 1066, but perhaps many (like myself) removed their vote from the core). So, 229 vs 68 (again, the numbers I used in the second one were 266 vs 66, as it was yesterday). Again, nowhere near overwhelming desire for only Hiragana.
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That's comparing apples to oranges. The choice on Massdrop was never Core with latin alphas or Core with Hiragana alphas. At that point, Hiragana was merely a possibility as an add-on kit.
Imagine running a keyset and the core kit didn't make moq, while add-on kits made it.
Question, OP states that the CORE kit covers uk iso. Am I missing something? Cause I don’t see the necesary keycaps to cover it. Maybe the uk part should be removed and leave as ISO or generic ISO? If it really had full uk iso support I would be in.
Chill guys. I think Zambumon already explained almost everything regarding the change from his perspective. I do believe the hype on Serika was not that much originally, but it keeps getting better after adding hiragana and micons kits. Zambumon may have gotten worried at this state now that the interests have been split up on two sides: 1) Core kit 2) Hiragana + Micons + Spacebar kits.
Which is minority and which is majority? We don't know exactly. That's why he said he had felt comfortable running the GB with all these kits available. (And for those who pointed to Massdrop's poll that the core kit clearly outnumbers hiragana kit, as Zambumon said, this may be due to the fact that the latter kit was announced after the poll started. So, we can't guarantee that the poll result will be 100% accurate anymore. I, for one, voted for core, hiragana, and micons kits, but I actually would buy just hiragana, micons, and spacebar kits. There may be more people did the same like mine. How many? We can't really know.
That could be why Zambumon felt comfortable with this. Imagine running a keyset and the core kit didn't make moq, while add-on kits made it. That would really be a bummer. But again.. we don't really know the exact number. I believe Zambumon also made a gamble on this decision too, but if he said that it makes him comfortable this way, we can only just go along with the flow.
Apart the fact that we are talking about small drops, i guess you are not considering all the people who will totally pass this set because of this update.
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... and where a base kit was no longer a base kit for many.
I still think the decision is wrong and will hurt Serika more than help...
I agree, base set will be for sure more expensive.
I agree, base set will be for sure more expensive.
I have no horse in this race so I'm entirely unbiased here - however, I don't see why this would be the case. Why would the base set be more expensive with Hiragana subs when the moulds already exist thanks to Laser? I might be missing something but I feel like the price should remain pretty much exactly the same.
I agree, base set will be for sure more expensive.
I have no horse in this race so I'm entirely unbiased here - however, I don't see why this would be the case. Why would the base set be more expensive with Hiragana subs when the moulds already exist thanks to Laser? I might be missing something but I feel like the price should remain pretty much exactly the same.
It won't.
It won't.
Less people interested if only Hirigana = Less purchases = smaller MOQ reachable = more expensive
Btw the main point is not that, that was just to reply to the "cost-discussion", the point is cutting out the biggest part of the crowd from the GB.
Less people interested if only Hirigana = Less purchases = smaller MOQ reachable = more expensive
Btw the main point is not that, that was just to reply to the "cost-discussion", the point is cutting out the biggest part of the crowd from the GB.
I think the set will remain in the same MOQ/price tier as it otherwise would. I understand the sentiment though I don't personally share the concern.
It's all conjecture though, I suppose we'll see.
MOQs are usually 250/500/1000/1500, so it's impossible (normal alphas removed, you can expect half of the set sold if not less)
MOQs are usually 250/500/1000/1500, so it's impossible (normal alphas removed, you can expect half of the set sold if not less)
I disagree, I think you can expect a 15 to 20% variance on either side at most (erring mostly toward less sets sold with Hiragana base, of course). For example if the set were to end up at 1350 with Latin alphas, I think 1100 is realistic for Hiragana. I'm generally not a big fan of yellow and I've been allocating funds elsewhere of late so I've not really followed the discussion on Serika very closely (here and/or elsewhere) so those numbers are basically aleatory.
No way it will be 15%. A drop of half is generous...I honestly think it'll be even worse than half. If they offered a Latin alpha child set, your 15% variance might be correct, but with no Latin alphas even as an add on kit, half is the minimum drop I'd expect, if not worse.MOQs are usually 250/500/1000/1500, so it's impossible (normal alphas removed, you can expect half of the set sold if not less)
I disagree, I think you can expect a 15 to 20% variance on either side at most (erring mostly toward less sets sold with Hiragana base, of course). For example if the set were to end up at 1350 with Latin alphas, I think 1100 is realistic for Hiragana. I'm generally not a big fan of yellow and I've been allocating funds elsewhere of late so I've not really followed the discussion on Serika very closely (here and/or elsewhere) so those numbers are basically aleatory.
Well you will never know this since the normal one isn't happening.
But the massdrop vote for Hirigana could give you a good idea. Today was like 1000+ vs 70 (on a large scale is not hard to imagine that most of the people prefer normal).
The set might still sell well since people are forced to take Hirigana or nothing, but still weeb-style is definetely less popular, a lot less popular
Personally I think this is the right move. Who needs more white GMK alpha caps? What sets Serika apart is the design of the non-plain alpha caps so I think embracing that is the right call. Looking forward to the buy.
No way it will be 15%. A drop of half is generous...I honestly think it'll be even worse than half. If they offered a Latin alpha child set, your 15% variance might be correct, but with no Latin alphas even as an add on kit, half is the minimum drop I'd expect, if not worse.
You guys' prediction are so strange. How many people do you think are feeling "slapped in the face" because of the change? On Massdrop of all places, tons of the purchases come in from people who have absolutely no idea the set even exists at this current moment; the vast majority, really. I think a projection of 20% is actually generous all things considered.
You're blowing this out of proportion because you want to support your side of the arguments' bias. I don't mean this in a demeaning way, it happens all the time and everyone is susceptible to it but it really doesn't matter. This isn't Zambumon's first time designing a set, no one wants its success more than he does - if he thinks this is the right move, it absolutely and factually is the right move. If he wants to risk sacrificing his royalties and/or recognition by making a stylistic choice of this kind that's on him.
You have to understand that whilst your opinion is valid and entirely relevant, in the grand scheme of things your 2 kits purchased (or not) are a drop in the bucket. It's like when ICs are filled with people begging (more like demanding, usually) NORDE ISO support and then the set goes live and the same people that complained are now saying the price is too high and they don't buy anything anyway and the kit ends up with 20 units sold and having to be rescued by Massdrop's good relationship with GMK/SP.
The set will do well regardless and neither party will be proven right/wrong.
I get that...but this is an interest check thread, meant for feedback on proposed sets. And it isn't just our two sets. Reaction on Reddit is nearly universally negative...reaction to this change on Massdrop is almost universally negative.
If you think more people want weeb legends than normal, I think you're out of your mind. Yes, the set will probably do fine....but it has far less appeal with only weeb legends.
I don't see how offering Latin alphas as an add on kit will hurt anything...it can only help.
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I get that...but this is an interest check thread, meant for feedback on proposed sets. And it isn't just our two sets. Reaction on Reddit is nearly universally negative...reaction to this change on Massdrop is almost universally negative.
There's a big difference between offering a cool optional kit that people like and eliminating the main kit that people like. I have nothing, I repeat nothing against having the hiragana alphas. What I and many people have a problem with is the complete elimination of the original alphas this late in the IC.I get that...but this is an interest check thread, meant for feedback on proposed sets. And it isn't just our two sets. Reaction on Reddit is nearly universally negative...reaction to this change on Massdrop is almost universally negative.
That's because the only people posting in that update thread on reddit are the people that are upset. It's an echo chamber. Where he originally posted about the hiragana before update 3? There was pretty universal applause and excitement.
I get that...but this is an interest check thread, meant for feedback on proposed sets. And it isn't just our two sets. Reaction on Reddit is nearly universally negative...reaction to this change on Massdrop is almost universally negative.
That's because the only people posting in that update thread on reddit are the people that are upset. It's an echo chamber. Where he originally posted about the hiragana before update 3? There was pretty universal applause and excitement.
I get that...but this is an interest check thread, meant for feedback on proposed sets. And it isn't just our two sets. Reaction on Reddit is nearly universally negative...reaction to this change on Massdrop is almost universally negative.
That's because the only people posting in that update thread on reddit are the people that are upset. It's an echo chamber. Where he originally posted about the hiragana before update 3? There was pretty universal applause and excitement.
There's a big difference between offering a cool optional kit that people like and eliminating the main kit that people like. I have nothing, I repeat nothing against having the hiragana alphas. What I and many people have a problem with is the complete elimination of the original alphas this late in the IC.
How is that even relevant?
It's getting hot in here... Everyone could use a cup of something tasty and thinking about something else for a bit to hopefully gain some fresh perspective. Personally I'm excited for this set, whatever form it will take--I just hope I can afford it when it drops.
... aleatory.
I even think that with this move he should go further and put micons kit in the base kit as well, replacing the normal modifiers. That will make the set clearly reflect to his original idea "Serika of the Space Brothers".
I even think that with this move he should go further and put micons kit in the base kit as well, replacing the normal modifiers. That will make the set clearly reflect to his original idea "Serika of the Space Brothers".
I even think that with this move he should go further and put micons kit in the base kit as well, replacing the normal modifiers. That will make the set clearly reflect to his original idea "Serika of the Space Brothers".Have hiragana lettering with Micons and its a deal.
I even think that with this move he should go further and put micons kit in the base kit as well, replacing the normal modifiers. That will make the set clearly reflect to his original idea "Serika of the Space Brothers".
Just before somebody asks this: I don't plan to expand the coverage of the Micons kit. The goal adding these four keys is to continue to ease the path for a full Micon base kit.
I absolutely love the decision to remove the Alphas and replace it with Hiragana. The set is now a "must-buy" for me.
I absolutely love the decision to remove the Alphas and replace it with Hiragana. The set is now a "must-buy" for me.
I absolutely love the decision to remove the Alphas and replace it with Hiragana. The set is now a "must-buy" for me.
Yup, the only reason I didnt get Red Samurai was because I had to get base and gaijin to get the right compat. Freaking ridiculous. Glad that zambi isnt afraid of shaking things up.
I absolutely love the decision to remove the Alphas and replace it with Hiragana. The set is now a "must-buy" for me.
Yup, the only reason I didnt get Red Samurai was because I had to get base and gaijin to get the right compat. Freaking ridiculous. Glad that zambi isnt afraid of shaking things up.
I absolutely love the decision to remove the Alphas and replace it with Hiragana. The set is now a "must-buy" for me.
Yup, the only reason I didnt get Red Samurai was because I had to get base and gaijin to get the right compat. Freaking ridiculous. Glad that zambi isnt afraid of shaking things up.
I just wanted it enough to do it, but felt dirty doing it. >.> And didn't get the novelties because of the cost.
I absolutely love the decision to remove the Alphas and replace it with Hiragana. The set is now a "must-buy" for me.
Yup, the only reason I didnt get Red Samurai was because I had to get base and gaijin to get the right compat. Freaking ridiculous. Glad that zambi isnt afraid of shaking things up.
I just wanted it enough to do it, but felt dirty doing it. >.> And didn't get the novelties because of the cost.
I went a little to crazy on Red Samurai. Base, Nishi, Pure Hira, Novelties, ErgoPlanck, and Spacebars.
Good day everyone,
I've received a color chart from GMK so we can color match for the alphas. As I've mentioned in a previous udpate, GMK and I have been working with Pantone colors for Serika's mods and we have achieved a very close match for it. However, from now on we'll be using a RAL color matching system. This method has been recently used with Mito's GMK Laser with very succesful results. For Serika, only the alphas need to be matched and many of the samples look promising for Serika's alphas so you can expect me to have final colors and samples on my way by the end of the week.
Kits have been sent to Massdrop and a drop page is in the works. Furthermore, Massdrop has requested GMK quotes for the final kits.
Finally, I've some very good news regarding some of the collabs, in particular Serika's desk mat. Mike from novelkeys.xyz (https://www.novelkeys.xyz) and I have been working on Serika's desk mat. Once I can get a closer look to the mat and make sure that everything is perfect, I'll share more details with you guys. Huge props for Mike for making this possible. :thumb:
Good day everyone,
I've received a color chart from GMK so we can color match for the alphas. As I've mentioned in a previous udpate, GMK and I have been working with Pantone colors for Serika's mods and we have achieved a very close match for it. However, from now on we'll be using a RAL color matching system. This method has been recently used with Mito's GMK Laser with very succesful results. For Serika, only the alphas need to be matched and many of the samples look promising for Serika's alphas so you can expect me to have final colors and samples on my way by the end of the week.
Kits have been sent to Massdrop and a drop page is in the works. Furthermore, Massdrop has requested GMK quotes for the final kits.
Finally, I've some very good news regarding some of the collabs, in particular Serika's desk mat. Mike from novelkeys.xyz (https://www.novelkeys.xyz) and I have been working on Serika's desk mat. Once I can get a closer look to the mat and make sure that everything is perfect, I'll share more details with you guys. Huge props for Mike for making this possible. :thumb:
Good day everyone,
I've received a color chart from GMK so we can color match for the alphas. As I've mentioned in a previous udpate, GMK and I have been working with Pantone colors for Serika's mods and we have achieved a very close match for it. However, from now on we'll be using a RAL color matching system. This method has been recently used with Mito's GMK Laser with very succesful results. For Serika, only the alphas need to be matched and many of the samples look promising for Serika's alphas so you can expect me to have final colors and samples on my way by the end of the week.
Kits have been sent to Massdrop and a drop page is in the works. Furthermore, Massdrop has requested GMK quotes for the final kits.
Finally, I've some very good news regarding some of the collabs, in particular Serika's desk mat. Mike from novelkeys.xyz (https://www.novelkeys.xyz) and I have been working on Serika's desk mat. Once I can get a closer look to the mat and make sure that everything is perfect, I'll share more details with you guys. Huge props for Mike for making this possible. :thumb:
I am really excited to be able to collab here! These are some of the best deskpads that I have seen in terms of design. It just really translates well. I cant wait for everyone to be able to see them!
So the thing about deskmats from novelkeys is that shipping outside of the US (to Europe to be specific) costs more than the mat itself.
The Violet Tendencies GB somehow made it possible to get the deskmat from the European proxy for a reasonable price, so please make this happen too. <3
So the thing about deskmats from novelkeys is that shipping outside of the US (to Europe to be specific) costs more than the mat itself.
The Violet Tendencies GB somehow made it possible to get the deskmat from the European proxy for a reasonable price, so please make this happen too. <3
Not to derail the thread further but would you mind pointing me toward where that is at? I didn't even know Violet Tendencies had a deskmat to go with it, and I can't find it in the GB thread nor on mykeyboard.eu's site.
Here ya go buddy.
https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/category/group-buys/gmk-violet-tendencies_46/
Still sad that I need proxy to get Violet Tendencies.
Thanks for the update; I love that more sets are getting their own desk mats. I got a question though: what's the difference between RAL and Pantone matching?
So the thing about deskmats from novelkeys is that shipping outside of the US (to Europe to be specific) costs more than the mat itself.
The Violet Tendencies GB somehow made it possible to get the deskmat from the European proxy for a reasonable price, so please make this happen too. <3
I am really excited to be able to collab here! These are some of the best deskpads that I have seen in terms of design. It just really translates well. I cant wait for everyone to be able to see them!Then show us now! Can't wait :))
Very pretty! Is there going to be a dark version of the mat by chance? With white inverted to charcoal, and charcoal inverted to white?
Very pretty! Is there going to be a dark version of the mat by chance? With white inverted to charcoal, and charcoal inverted to white?
That would be really nice! :thumb:
The current version is really nice and matches your banner. I was just thinking in terms of not getting noticeably dirty too quickly (and also going well with dark desks), the dark version is more practical.