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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #550 on: Wed, 30 July 2014, 22:17:48 »
if there are extra plates of either type, i'll sell them first-come-first-served. nesting these plates is going to be a huge undertaking due to the multiple types of cutting, multiple drawings, and the need to fit in a run of 60% and 80% plates. at the moment, it will make my life about a hundred times easier if i'm pairing one top plate, notched or otherwise, with one bottom plate. the issue is that i originally planned my available kits based on the number of sheets i bought and the number of waterjet front and back pairs that could be yielded from each sheet and the number of notched plates that i had lasercut several weeks (?) ago.

the waterjet plates are cut in one pass with two sheets stacked on top of each other, so i originally nested assuming identical cuts on all 6 sheets of stock. i'm already throwing this off a bit by tossing another sheet at my laser with 40%s on it, so I probably will have extra top plates, but i can't guarantee anything, as there are a number of nasty details involved in the waterjet cut, and another project vying for space on the next lasered sheet.

tldr; i'm knee deep in titanium, and trying to keep things as simple as possible. look for extra plates/gaskets/pcbs/etc.etc.etc. _after_ initial fulfillment :)

Ah ok, though I still don't quite understand the complexity of it all I guess I'll have to manage without the standard plate.

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #551 on: Wed, 30 July 2014, 22:45:42 »
i think i forgot to mention this, but stabs will be included with all kits due to an extremely generous donation from abjr

Great news. Thanks to abjr

Thank you, abjr.  :)

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #552 on: Thu, 31 July 2014, 08:42:20 »
yep, just PM me or use the contact form and give me the two order numbers.

Done.
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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #553 on: Thu, 31 July 2014, 11:59:17 »
What/How many USB mini b connectors do I need? First time building a keyboard, and I'm not so sure; there are multiple types of connectors and such.

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #554 on: Thu, 31 July 2014, 12:23:43 »
Very tempting to get this so I can get Purple Plates!  :thumb:

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #555 on: Thu, 31 July 2014, 12:26:04 »
What/How many USB mini b connectors do I need? First time building a keyboard, and I'm not so sure; there are multiple types of connectors and such.
Check out my reply in #467 of this thread. I'm on mobile, or I would quote it for you.
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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #556 on: Thu, 31 July 2014, 12:38:44 »
What/How many USB mini b connectors do I need? First time building a keyboard, and I'm not so sure; there are multiple types of connectors and such.
Check out my reply in #467 of this thread. I'm on mobile, or I would quote it for you.

Okay so I believe I am officially in this buy now lol. A gentleman in need gave me an extra reason to throw my money in this haha.

Now I just need to do research on the rest of the parts needed...

I'm still not clear on what other parts we're working on to get a GB for? >.>

EDIT:
So after browsing through the thread:
We still need to purchase Teensy controllers, but you're working on a way for us to get a slightly cheaper rate.
We need 40 switches, sourced by ourselves.
We need 2 plate mounted cherry stabs.

You also need 40 through hole diodes, 1N4148, like this: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Rectron/1N4148-T/?qs=%2fha2pyFadujBpQKGz8pgpLoTumKo1yCTzfmbMAwUdzOTQ2PCHwWJdA%3d%3d
A through-hole USB Mini-B USB receptacle, like this: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/54819-0519/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtDa8bhoiaN7CKgHzoapfPd
And a male USB Mini-B end, SMD (cable end), like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DUYV2JQ/


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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #557 on: Thu, 31 July 2014, 12:39:57 »
What/How many USB mini b connectors do I need? First time building a keyboard, and I'm not so sure; there are multiple types of connectors and such.
Check out my reply in #467 of this thread. I'm on mobile, or I would quote it for you.

Here:
You also need 40 through hole diodes, 1N4148, like this: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Rectron/1N4148-T/?qs=%2fha2pyFadujBpQKGz8pgpLoTumKo1yCTzfmbMAwUdzOTQ2PCHwWJdA%3d%3d
A through-hole USB Mini-B USB receptacle, like this: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/54819-0519/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtDa8bhoiaN7CKgHzoapfPd
And a male USB Mini-B end, SMD (cable end), like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DUYV2JQ/

I didnt like the amazon source provided above ^ because shipping time was an estimated 17-21 business days...

So I found this:
For anyone else interested, this was the best source I could find for Mini USB Type B male connectors with easy to solder tabs: http://www.ebay.com/itm/171366701979

Everything else was from china and might have actually taken longer to get here than the kit itself. lol
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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #558 on: Thu, 31 July 2014, 12:49:23 »
What/How many USB mini b connectors do I need? First time building a keyboard, and I'm not so sure; there are multiple types of connectors and such.
Check out my reply in #467 of this thread. I'm on mobile, or I would quote it for you.

Here:
You also need 40 through hole diodes, 1N4148, like this: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Rectron/1N4148-T/?qs=%2fha2pyFadujBpQKGz8pgpLoTumKo1yCTzfmbMAwUdzOTQ2PCHwWJdA%3d%3d
A through-hole USB Mini-B USB receptacle, like this: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/54819-0519/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtDa8bhoiaN7CKgHzoapfPd
And a male USB Mini-B end, SMD (cable end), like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DUYV2JQ/

I didnt like the amazon source provided above ^ because shipping time was an estimated 17-21 business days...

So I found this:
For anyone else interested, this was the best source I could find for Mini USB Type B male connectors with easy to solder tabs: http://www.ebay.com/itm/171366701979

Everything else was from china and might have actually taken longer to get here than the kit itself. lol

I got the ones from Amazon in ~10 days.

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #559 on: Thu, 31 July 2014, 13:00:54 »
What/How many USB mini b connectors do I need? First time building a keyboard, and I'm not so sure; there are multiple types of connectors and such.
Check out my reply in #467 of this thread. I'm on mobile, or I would quote it for you.

Here:
You also need 40 through hole diodes, 1N4148, like this: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Rectron/1N4148-T/?qs=%2fha2pyFadujBpQKGz8pgpLoTumKo1yCTzfmbMAwUdzOTQ2PCHwWJdA%3d%3d
A through-hole USB Mini-B USB receptacle, like this: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/54819-0519/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtDa8bhoiaN7CKgHzoapfPd
And a male USB Mini-B end, SMD (cable end), like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DUYV2JQ/

I didnt like the amazon source provided above ^ because shipping time was an estimated 17-21 business days...

So I found this:
For anyone else interested, this was the best source I could find for Mini USB Type B male connectors with easy to solder tabs: http://www.ebay.com/itm/171366701979

Everything else was from china and might have actually taken longer to get here than the kit itself. lol

I got the ones from Amazon in ~10 days.

Was it the same seller? All of the ones I found were from "uxcell"

The seller probably ships from China, and my experiences with that have been hit and miss. Sometimes it gets here quick, as if it was shipped from a far away state, sometimes it feels like it sailed over here on a row boat.

The price difference was minor and I didnt need 10 connectors, so I went with the US seller on ebay lol.
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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #560 on: Thu, 31 July 2014, 13:05:10 »
What/How many USB mini b connectors do I need? First time building a keyboard, and I'm not so sure; there are multiple types of connectors and such.
Check out my reply in #467 of this thread. I'm on mobile, or I would quote it for you.

Here:
You also need 40 through hole diodes, 1N4148, like this: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Rectron/1N4148-T/?qs=%2fha2pyFadujBpQKGz8pgpLoTumKo1yCTzfmbMAwUdzOTQ2PCHwWJdA%3d%3d
A through-hole USB Mini-B USB receptacle, like this: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/54819-0519/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtDa8bhoiaN7CKgHzoapfPd
And a male USB Mini-B end, SMD (cable end), like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DUYV2JQ/

I didnt like the amazon source provided above ^ because shipping time was an estimated 17-21 business days...

So I found this:
For anyone else interested, this was the best source I could find for Mini USB Type B male connectors with easy to solder tabs: http://www.ebay.com/itm/171366701979

Everything else was from china and might have actually taken longer to get here than the kit itself. lol

I got the ones from Amazon in ~10 days.

Was it the same seller? All of the ones I found were from "uxcell"

The seller probably ships from China, and my experiences with that have been hit and miss. Sometimes it gets here quick, as if it was shipped from a far away state, sometimes it feels like it sailed over here on a row boat.

The price difference was minor and I didnt need 10 connectors, so I went with the US seller on ebay lol.

Yeah it came from china from seller uxcell. The one on ebay you linked appears to be low on stock.

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« Reply #561 on: Thu, 31 July 2014, 13:26:09 »
What/How many USB mini b connectors do I need? First time building a keyboard, and I'm not so sure; there are multiple types of connectors and such.
Check out my reply in #467 of this thread. I'm on mobile, or I would quote it for you.

Here:
You also need 40 through hole diodes, 1N4148, like this: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Rectron/1N4148-T/?qs=%2fha2pyFadujBpQKGz8pgpLoTumKo1yCTzfmbMAwUdzOTQ2PCHwWJdA%3d%3d
A through-hole USB Mini-B USB receptacle, like this: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/54819-0519/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtDa8bhoiaN7CKgHzoapfPd
And a male USB Mini-B end, SMD (cable end), like this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DUYV2JQ/

I didnt like the amazon source provided above ^ because shipping time was an estimated 17-21 business days...

So I found this:
For anyone else interested, this was the best source I could find for Mini USB Type B male connectors with easy to solder tabs: http://www.ebay.com/itm/171366701979

Everything else was from china and might have actually taken longer to get here than the kit itself. lol

I got the ones from Amazon in ~10 days.

Was it the same seller? All of the ones I found were from "uxcell"

The seller probably ships from China, and my experiences with that have been hit and miss. Sometimes it gets here quick, as if it was shipped from a far away state, sometimes it feels like it sailed over here on a row boat.

The price difference was minor and I didnt need 10 connectors, so I went with the US seller on ebay lol.

Yeah it came from china from seller uxcell. The one on ebay you linked appears to be low on stock.

Ah so not bad then, I guess others could try that seller.
Actually since its so cheap and comes in a set of 10, mkawa could be even more awesome and just order 8 sets and include it for free ;D
I would've actually just paid another $5-10 on top of kit price for it to come with all the little bits (diodes + connectors) but I can see how that would become a pain in the ass to organize lol.

Oh and Ebay sellers are typically bad at listing how much stock they actually have.
If this "sells out" a new listing will probably go up immediately.
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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #562 on: Thu, 31 July 2014, 14:31:10 »
I would've actually just paid another $5-10 on top of kit price for it to come with all the little bits (diodes + connectors) but I can see how that would become a pain in the ass to organize lol.

I believe the diodes will be included. See reply #104.
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« Reply #563 on: Thu, 31 July 2014, 14:55:48 »
I would've actually just paid another $5-10 on top of kit price for it to come with all the little bits (diodes + connectors) but I can see how that would become a pain in the ass to organize lol.

I believe the diodes will be included. See reply #104.

Well ****, you're right:
On behalf of TechKeys, I want to sponsor Diodes for everyone.

Ming - please get a hold of me to work out details.

oh well. At least it was only like.. 2 bucks. And I needed the USB connector from mouser anyway.
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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #564 on: Thu, 31 July 2014, 15:18:06 »
I would've actually just paid another $5-10 on top of kit price for it to come with all the little bits (diodes + connectors) but I can see how that would become a pain in the ass to organize lol.

I believe the diodes will be included. See reply #104.

Well ****, you're right:
On behalf of TechKeys, I want to sponsor Diodes for everyone.

Ming - please get a hold of me to work out details.

oh well. At least it was only like.. 2 bucks. And I needed the USB connector from mouser anyway.

Don't worry, they'll come in handy for your next build.  ;)  (don't think this is the last keyboard you'll build.  :P )

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« Reply #565 on: Thu, 31 July 2014, 15:42:46 »
I would've actually just paid another $5-10 on top of kit price for it to come with all the little bits (diodes + connectors) but I can see how that would become a pain in the ass to organize lol.

I believe the diodes will be included. See reply #104.

Well ****, you're right:
On behalf of TechKeys, I want to sponsor Diodes for everyone.

Ming - please get a hold of me to work out details.

oh well. At least it was only like.. 2 bucks. And I needed the USB connector from mouser anyway.

Don't worry, they'll come in handy for your next build.  ;)  (don't think this is the last keyboard you'll build.  :P )

I'm already wanting to build a second 40% using the sets bunny's selling.
And I want the Ducky Viper.
And I want a plate for my KBT Pure.
And.. and.. and... DAMNIT
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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #566 on: Thu, 31 July 2014, 15:46:56 »
I would've actually just paid another $5-10 on top of kit price for it to come with all the little bits (diodes + connectors) but I can see how that would become a pain in the ass to organize lol.

I believe the diodes will be included. See reply #104.

Well ****, you're right:
On behalf of TechKeys, I want to sponsor Diodes for everyone.

Ming - please get a hold of me to work out details.

oh well. At least it was only like.. 2 bucks. And I needed the USB connector from mouser anyway.

Don't worry, they'll come in handy for your next build.  ;)  (don't think this is the last keyboard you'll build.  :P )

I'm already wanting to build a second 40% using the sets bunny's selling.
And I want the Ducky Viper.
And I want a plate for my KBT Pure.
And.. and.. and... DAMNIT

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #567 on: Thu, 31 July 2014, 19:35:36 »
If anyone wants US sources for the USB connectors. check out electronics distributors digikey/mouser.

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/935/935K-ND/2745648

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« Reply #568 on: Fri, 01 August 2014, 09:14:57 »
If anyone wants US sources for the USB connectors. check out electronics distributors digikey/mouser.

http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/935/935K-ND/2745648

I saw those on mouser as well, my only issue is that the leads look really close together (i.e. pain in my ass to solder) but I'm an amateur so maybe thats just me.
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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #569 on: Fri, 01 August 2014, 22:10:47 »
also, if someone can find me a cheaper/better source of quantity both-ends-threaded or unthreaded spacers that are 1/2" tall and fit 4-40 thread machine screws, that would put this whole gasket vs spacer thing to rest.

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #570 on: Fri, 01 August 2014, 22:18:20 »
also, if someone can find me a cheaper/better source of quantity both-ends-threaded or unthreaded spacers that are 1/2" tall and fit 4-40 thread machine screws, that would put this whole gasket vs spacer thing to rest.

I have a source; I'll check tomorrow when I am in the office.

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« Reply #571 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 01:07:54 »
ps, major diameter of 4-40s is 0.112"

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« Reply #572 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 02:49:20 »
Oh btw, for pcb, is green the color? Just wondering if there is other option.

Edit: never mind, we won't be seeing the pcb after assembly ;)
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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #573 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 07:59:36 »
also, if someone can find me a cheaper/better source of quantity both-ends-threaded or unthreaded spacers that are 1/2" tall and fit 4-40 thread machine screws, that would put this whole gasket vs spacer thing to rest.

I have been buying them on ebay for a couple dollars for 50. I have been buying brass spacers because they are easy to get and inexpensive.

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #574 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 12:41:11 »
Here you go:

http://fastenermarketplace.com/316440thd.html
3/16 Hex x 1/2 x 440 Thd
$0.34, 100/$26.52, 250/$51.00, 500/$86.70, 1000/$119.00

They have stainless and 1/4 hex as well.

Here is another:

http://www.intertexelectronics.com/K1893-C-Female-Female-Standoff-Aluminum-4-40-X-12-Hex-100PK-P10473.aspx
Female-Female Standoff Aluminum, 4-40 X 1/2" Hex, 100PK
100/$28.00

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also, if someone can find me a cheaper/better source of quantity both-ends-threaded or unthreaded spacers that are 1/2" tall and fit 4-40 thread machine screws, that would put this whole gasket vs spacer thing to rest.

I have a source; I'll check tomorrow when I am in the office.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
« Last Edit: Sat, 02 August 2014, 12:44:25 by samwisekoi »
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« Reply #575 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 13:54:13 »
these look perfect: FC1637-440-A

http://fastenermarketplace.com/316440thd2.html

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« Reply #576 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 13:55:58 »
I've been using McMaster P/N 93330A370 in 4-40. I use 6 per case, obviously. :)
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« Reply #577 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 16:31:27 »
Is the sorbothane gasket getting cancelled?  :( Or will both standoffs & gasket be included now?
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« Reply #578 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 17:09:52 »
with these prices i will be able to give each kit a set of standoffs and a gasket. this is the ideal situation, because you can even use the standoffs _with_ the gasket. vibex can describe more fully, but you have to measure out the spacing otherwise, because the sorbothane squishes

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #579 on: Sat, 02 August 2014, 17:11:21 »
I've been using McMaster P/N 93330A370 in 4-40. I use 6 per case, obviously. :)
luckily, ron's supplier has the same part for 50% of the cost. hooray! :)


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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #580 on: Sun, 03 August 2014, 20:04:37 »
SOCAL FOLKS!

i need some help. someone rear ended the fiat yesterday and there, unfortunately, serious frame damage. i'm not crazy about driving it down south until this whole fiasco pans out. i could really really use someone down there to help me out in working with the cutter. engineering knowledge would be a big plus. so would willingness and ability to get out east of LA to downey and to chat with my guy about the project.

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #581 on: Sun, 03 August 2014, 21:37:28 »
SOCAL FOLKS!

i need some help. someone rear ended the fiat yesterday and there, unfortunately, serious frame damage. i'm not crazy about driving it down south until this whole fiasco pans out. i could really really use someone down there to help me out in working with the cutter. engineering knowledge would be a big plus. so would willingness and ability to get out east of LA to downey and to chat with my guy about the project.

Damn that sucks man.  Wish I could help but I don't think the wife would want me flying out there for this.  If I was in the area I would be all over this like a fat kid on a cupcake.
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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #582 on: Sun, 03 August 2014, 22:24:25 »
Ah damn, I just moved down to San Diego last week!  Hopefully an LA GH'er can get on this!
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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #583 on: Mon, 04 August 2014, 22:40:55 »
is there a wiki page for this project?  looks like the layout on the original page is pretty awesome.  would like to use that for the layout.  anyone have that firmware?

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #584 on: Tue, 05 August 2014, 10:25:48 »
8 kits left

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« Reply #585 on: Wed, 06 August 2014, 12:14:12 »
stabs have landed. please don't buy stabilizers. they will come with the kit, thanks to abjr

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« Reply #586 on: Thu, 07 August 2014, 18:17:45 »

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #587 on: Thu, 07 August 2014, 18:36:52 »
Does anyone want to take over my order? I am assuming I can't ask for a refund (I feel bad even mentioning that!)

I've already paid etc, but will probably sell as soon as I have the kit now as it makes much more sense for me to be buying a cheaper keyboard I don't have to build than custom cut titanium and soldering equipment... money :(

Order is for notched top plate, standard bottom plate, both raw titanium. Two pcbs, whatever else comes standard. If anyone is interested let me know. If mkawa wants to say no transfers that's fine, I don't want to cause a fuss! If it's still possible to get a refund that's even better, but I'm not expecting that it is.

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #588 on: Thu, 07 August 2014, 20:03:06 »
Thanks for the update Mkawa, I appreciate you taking the time to tell us what is going on with each piece of the puzzle.

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #589 on: Thu, 07 August 2014, 22:33:35 »
Mkawa, that's your best video yet. Really nice lighting and composition. Also, thanks for the update!

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #590 on: Thu, 07 August 2014, 22:41:44 »
Mkawa what sort of tooling would you suggest for a countersink bit for working with this stuff?

If I can make this work would anyone else be interested in having either the top or bottom plates countersunk for use with flat head screws?
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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #591 on: Thu, 07 August 2014, 22:50:58 »

Mkawa what sort of tooling would you suggest for a countersink bit for working with this stuff?

If I can make this work would anyone else be interested in having either the top or bottom plates countersunk for use with flat head screws?

I would be interested.

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #592 on: Thu, 07 August 2014, 23:49:27 »
Does anyone want to take over my order? I am assuming I can't ask for a refund (I feel bad even mentioning that!)

I've already paid etc, but will probably sell as soon as I have the kit now as it makes much more sense for me to be buying a cheaper keyboard I don't have to build than custom cut titanium and soldering equipment... money :(

Order is for notched top plate, standard bottom plate, both raw titanium. Two pcbs, whatever else comes standard. If anyone is interested let me know. If mkawa wants to say no transfers that's fine, I don't want to cause a fuss! If it's still possible to get a refund that's even better, but I'm not expecting that it is.

yah, unfortunately i can't refund kits at this point. transfers are absolutely fine. i just need a PM from both parties that authorize me to ship the order(s) paid for by party A to party B.

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #593 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 00:25:35 »

Mkawa what sort of tooling would you suggest for a countersink bit for working with this stuff?

If I can make this work would anyone else be interested in having either the top or bottom plates countersunk for use with flat head screws?

I would be interested.

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #594 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 00:51:11 »
Mkawa what sort of tooling would you suggest for a countersink bit for working with this stuff?

If I can make this work would anyone else be interested in having either the top or bottom plates countersunk for use with flat head screws?
it's unalloyed, so you could use HSS if you wanted and you'd be able to make it through at least a few plates before you noticed the bit dulling. full tungsten carbide or cobalt HSS alloys will increase duty cycle, with the former probably being more effective. i would avoid TiN or TiAN coatings and just get bright (uncoated) bits and use a very slow feed rate and lots of coolant. other than that, all you really need is a good square drill press, a jig with solid hold-down to keep everything stable and control depth stoppage. wear resistance is really key in the tool, because the anodized plates will have a non-trivial skin of very hard titanium dioxide that you need to make a clean cut through at very low speed so that you don't further oxidize the part, and then a bunch of relatively hard (HRB60-ish) titan to drill through.

one thing to emphasize is coolant, coolant and more coolant. titanium oxidizes almost instantly when exposed to air. the depth of oxidization depends on heat and some other junk. if the depth of oxidization is large enough, you get discoloration (which is why we only get indexed colors from our anodizer -- there is no dye, yah? just the titanium dioxide surface density causing diffraction at different wavelengths depending on depth). the upshot is that this becomes much much less of a problem if you don't expose the titanium you're cutting to air.

if you happen to have a small nitrogen generator around, i guess that could help too, but good old cutting oil is a lot more readily available and probably about as effective.

note that avoiding tin and tian and lowering feedrates is also important because of slagging and welding. titanium has a relatively low annealing point; it's higher than aluminum (which is painfully low) but lower than steel. most tools are made to cut steel, and yet are made of a steel alloy. cutting hardened steel with less hardened steel is going to destroy your edges pretty quickly, so manufacturers plate bits with stuff and use the steel inner as structural reinforcement and heatsinking, so you can use high feed rates until the coating burns off or the bit breaks and then you toss the thing and it gets remelted and circle of life etc. to make deep cuts into stuff that's hard, you just need a hard bit and to cut slowly, not a hard plating that will immediately burn off and slag everything.
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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #595 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 00:56:01 »
Mkawa what sort of tooling would you suggest for a countersink bit for working with this stuff?

If I can make this work would anyone else be interested in having either the top or bottom plates countersunk for use with flat head screws?
it's unalloyed, so you could use HSS if you wanted and you'd be able to make it through at least a few plates before you noticed the bit dulling. full tungsten carbide or cobalt HSS alloys will increase duty cycle, with the former probably being more effective. i would avoid TiN or TiAN coatings and just get bright (uncoated) bits and use a very slow feed rate and lots of coolant. other than that, all you really need is a good square drill press, a jig with solid hold-down to keep everything stable and control depth stoppage. wear resistance is really key in the tool, because the anodized plates will have a non-trivial skin of very hard titanium dioxide that you need to make a clean cut through at very low speed so that you don't further oxidize the part, and then a bunch of relatively hard (HRB60-ish) titan to drill through.

one thing to emphasize is coolant, coolant and more coolant. titanium oxidizes almost instantly when exposed to air. the depth of oxidization depends on heat and some other junk. if the depth of oxidization is large enough, you get discoloration (which is why we only get indexed colors from our anodizer -- there is no dye, yah? just the titanium dioxide surface density causing diffraction at different wavelengths depending on depth). the upshot is that this becomes much much less of a problem if you don't expose the titanium you're cutting to air.

if you happen to have a small nitrogen generator around, i guess that could help too, but good old cutting oil is a lot more readily available and probably about as effective.

Sounds good.  I was mostly wondering about the cutter material and or coating choices.  After they ship out and I get mine I will experiment with it and see how it turns out.

Would it be possible to ask the cutter to put some random holes is a couple of the smaller pieces of the scrap so I can try a couple before moving to the actual plate?  Not sure how much for scrap there is going to be but I wouldn't think it would take more than something the size of an index card.
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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #596 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 01:01:02 »
i was thinking of making some domos out of the larger droppings. there are also some other small drawings that are running around. if you want to countersink some domo eyes, i can probably arrange that.

i added some explanation of why i think plated tooling would not be all that great above
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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #597 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 01:36:00 »

Quote from: Melvang If I can make this work would anyone else be interested in having either the top or bottom plates countersunk for use with flat head screws?
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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #598 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 01:46:08 »
Mkawa, I think I speak for those who haven't learned to solder yet in saying I don't know how you know some much about everything and you make me feel like a dummy :p. All the info/insights are great and not discouraging but I'm somewhat amazed by how you have a wide understanding different aspects of machining/d.i.y technology and manufacturing.

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Re: [GB] The Smallfry Keyboard Kit
« Reply #599 on: Fri, 08 August 2014, 01:46:49 »
Mkawa, I think I speak for those who haven't learned to solder yet in saying I don't know how you know some much about everything and you make me feel like a dummy :p. All the info/insights are great and not discouraging but I'm somewhat amazed by how you have a wide understanding different aspects of machining/d.i.y technology and manufacturing.

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