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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism
« Reply #50 on: Tue, 27 February 2018, 11:39:08 »
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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism
« Reply #51 on: Tue, 27 February 2018, 16:35:36 »
Some more good news, we got confirmation from GMK that we can put orange keys in a child kit without affecting the pricing of the base kit. Sets always have fixed costs associated based on colors, so a two color base kit is noticeably cheaper than a three color base kit. By delegating a third color accent keys to a child kit, only that kit's pricing is raised instead of the whole thing, keeping the base kit cost down. Because of this, we'll be looking to include some orange accents/novelties in some of the child kits since there were some requests for them.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism
« Reply #52 on: Tue, 27 February 2018, 20:58:04 »
Will the child kits include evangelion novelties? must buy for me as long as they exist!

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism
« Reply #53 on: Tue, 27 February 2018, 21:25:13 »
There'll be novelties, but I'm not yet certain where they'll end up in the kits. May create a kit just for novelties and orange accents, but like I mentioned before I'm a little apprehensive on too many kits. I'll most likely put a second stage IC up later this week/early next week concerning kits.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism
« Reply #54 on: Wed, 28 February 2018, 17:44:45 »
Smallish update, did some tidying up in the kits and added the newest kit: the Novelties Kit. Current mockups are as seen below.


Base Kit


AE Mods Kit


Spacebars Kit


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Novelties Kit
The blanks are placeholders currently since there's no way afaik to add custom images to KLE.  I'm expecting a single R1 design and one or two R4 designs to be distributed across the sizes. Orange accents are included in the novelties kit since the third color price jump will have less effect on a smaller kit.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism
« Reply #55 on: Thu, 01 March 2018, 01:12:15 »
This set is looking better and better....can't wait!  :cool:

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #56 on: Thu, 01 March 2018, 14:35:59 »
Created a new IC form to focus on kit design since we had pretty outstanding colorway support

Form link - https://donutcables.com/gmk-neon-gelatin-evangelism-ic/

Backup link(mostly for mobile) - https://goo.gl/forms/G48DEmhNUjKm4uOT2

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #57 on: Thu, 01 March 2018, 15:27:01 »
Created a new IC form to focus on kit design since we had pretty outstanding colorway support

Form link - https://donutcables.com/gmk-neon-gelatin-evangelism-ic/

Backup link(mostly for mobile) - https://goo.gl/forms/G48DEmhNUjKm4uOT2

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chuck the R4C stuff into the spacebar kit

aside from that, looks good to me
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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #58 on: Thu, 01 March 2018, 16:07:50 »


chuck the R4C stuff into the spacebar kit

aside from that, looks good to me

I've had specific complaints about not having planck spacebars in the 40% kit, so I'll let popularity decide who wins that one.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #59 on: Thu, 01 March 2018, 16:18:22 »


chuck the R4C stuff into the spacebar kit

aside from that, looks good to me

I've had specific complaints about not having planck spacebars in the 40% kit, so I'll let popularity decide who wins that one.

fair

i'd do it that way so that people are more likely to buy both kits, but i'm kinda weird with kit design
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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #60 on: Thu, 01 March 2018, 16:34:51 »


chuck the R4C stuff into the spacebar kit

aside from that, looks good to me

I've had specific complaints about not having planck spacebars in the 40% kit, so I'll let popularity decide who wins that one.

fair

i'd do it that way so that people are more likely to buy both kits, but i'm kinda weird with kit design

Buying more kits would be good, but I don't really want people to feel like I'm splitting off useful components just to get more kits sold. While other 40% layouts can utilize the spacebars form the base kit, the planck is one of the few that absolutely cannot, so I don't want to make it seem like a rather widespread layout, otherwise well supported, is being gypped in this aspect.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #61 on: Fri, 02 March 2018, 16:03:17 »
I like this set a lot!

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #62 on: Fri, 02 March 2018, 16:12:25 »
This is one of my favourite sets this year. Is there any ETA when you plan to run this? After GMK forge/happy?

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #63 on: Fri, 02 March 2018, 16:26:04 »
This is one of my favourite sets this year. Is there any ETA when you plan to run this? After GMK forge/happy?

Right now I have a soft target GB start date of early-mid April.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #64 on: Sat, 03 March 2018, 03:33:13 »
this set looks awesome.  The green on purple dual legend alphas are really nice!

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #65 on: Sun, 04 March 2018, 21:47:44 »
There are some black places on Unit 01, maybe can try the black japanese font?~
BTW I'm a big fan of EVA as well~ ;D

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #66 on: Sun, 04 March 2018, 22:24:26 »
I don't think GMK can do triple shot legends for black japanese, green legends, and purple base.

In any case, I much prefer green legends and green japanese to what was proposed.
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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #67 on: Mon, 05 March 2018, 02:37:17 »
I don't think GMK can do triple shot legends for black japanese, green legends, and purple base.

In any case, I much prefer green legends and green japanese to what was proposed.

Yeah, no triple shots. I have discussed possibly adding black to the novelty kit just for a few accents as there is probably more black on eva than orange anyway. The downside is increasing costs, but I personally think it could be worth it.

Maybe something like this:


(the font may be too small for the actual word "EMERGENCY" to fit so we may change it to like ESC or ERROR or something shorter just cause limits of how small you can go with doubleshot).

We will probably wait until we have some idea what our pricing is gonna look like before we make any real choices about stuff like that though.

I'm still working on modeling the rest of the keycaps so i can render a full board and I've been working with donut on some novelties, though still bouncing ideas around.

If anyone has any specific ideas for novelties, let me know. I can manage my way around illustrator well enough, but I just haven't found anything that I really wanna add yet. Part of where I'm torn is how niche to get and how direct the references should be. I for one kinda like less obvious things like icons/symbols and ux stuff from the show as it will appeal to more people and can potentially be reused, but I know some people would prefer more obvious things like eva heads (I have tried a few but nothing quite worked yet once i started simplifying for keycaps) and angels and such. Just post your ideas here or find photos or shoot me a PM or w/e. I'll gladly take a crack at anything.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #68 on: Tue, 06 March 2018, 12:08:36 »
With those green and orange mods this went from neato to guess I'm getting another keyset

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #69 on: Tue, 06 March 2018, 12:50:38 »
With those green and orange mods this went from neato to guess I'm getting another keyset

Agreed. The orange really pops the whole set - nice job! I'd suggest getting an all-in render of the base + mods + orange pops to show the ultimate setup. Even if your intent is to have a mono-set, the purple/green/orange looks too snazzy to not show off and generate interest.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #70 on: Tue, 06 March 2018, 14:30:15 »
Comprehensive renders are on the way. Amnesia is doing all the renders himself, and as it turns out there's a bit of a learning curve for both the caps and the unique legends.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #71 on: Tue, 06 March 2018, 18:11:09 »
Comprehensive renders are on the way. Amnesia is doing all the renders himself, and as it turns out there's a bit of a learning curve for both the caps and the unique legends.

With the cap models it's mostly just time consuming, I know they just look like 3d shapes with letters on them, but they are actually modelled as "doubleshot" so the legend is actually a physical insert into the keycap and not just text printed on top. Especially with like modifiers and some of the multi part weeb characters, it takes a a bit to cut the parts all out.

I finally finished up the project I was hung up on at work, so I should have more time this week.

I'm gonna start with HHKB and maybe 65%, but I'll eventually have the models for all the keys. I just am not looking forward to TKL/Numpad clusters cause its a ton of legends to get >_< and I am 100% a compact layout user.

Upside is once I have the models, they can be reused with any colors so it will be much much faster to test things when the models are created.

I also plan to take a crack with blender to see if we can get some cleaner renders. Maybe someday I'll even buy keyshot or cinema4d or something that can do quality renders :P.

But once it's up and running I plan to render like every combination I can think of, since it's just swapping colors and queuing renders from there. I just sent out the rows I had to donut cause it's 100x better looking than the KLE.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #72 on: Tue, 06 March 2018, 18:29:05 »
I was thinking you could just throw it through kle-render, colour the background, and immediately it'll give you a good idea of the range. You can do a bunch of layouts if you want, but so far no image actually shows all the mods and sparkle in one place, even as a proof of concept.

A the risk of tooting my own trumpet, my layout pic was quite quick to do with a little kle-render and photoshopping but I think it gives you a good idea of what to expect within the confines of the set's concept.
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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #73 on: Tue, 06 March 2018, 18:41:58 »
I was thinking you could just throw it through kle-render, colour the background, and immediately it'll give you a good idea of the range. You can do a bunch of layouts if you want, but so far no image actually shows all the mods and sparkle in one place, even as a proof of concept.

A the risk of tooting my own trumpet, my layout pic was quite quick to do with a little kle-render and photoshopping but I think it gives you a good idea of what to expect.

Yeah, but my goal is to be able to correctly render caps in boards. So it's not like it's throwaway work.

My issue with KLE Render is the colors aren't right and also I don't believe it supports weeb legends, which means it just renders boxes for all of them.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #74 on: Tue, 06 March 2018, 18:50:57 »
Yeah, it's a little limited. Still, showing the colour combos together in the meantime would help show off the design a little.

Good luck with your renders, the samples so far are looking great!

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #75 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 03:44:20 »
Yeah, it's a little limited. Still, showing the colour combos together in the meantime would help show off the design a little.

Good luck with your renders, the samples so far are looking great!

If you just wanted to see the colors you shoulda said so, that I can do:









I didn't make these models. The board is something being worked on by Quantastrophus (though not in these colors :P). I'm working on getting all the different double shot legends modeled and figuring out how to do higher quality renders. These were done kind of carelessly, so the lighting isnt great and the alignment is off and stuff, but you can see the colors together :P

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #76 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 08:10:29 »
Damn those are sexy renders!

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #77 on: Wed, 07 March 2018, 12:06:27 »
Now we're talking. I'm usually hesitant on purple but the purple/green/orange looks damned fine. I'm in!

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #78 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 13:17:46 »
Got some good data from the IC forms, so I'll be submitting the kits for initial quotes later today. We'll be looking to have renders and initial pricing available soon.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #79 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 14:52:36 »
These are the mockups for the various kits at this point in time:


Base Kit


AE Mods Kit


Spacebars Kit


40% Kit


Novelties Kit - Blank keys are placeholders for wip designs

Hopefully we'll be looking to get GMK mockups and initial quotes early next week.

Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #80 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 16:00:08 »
These are the mockups for the various kits at this point in time:

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Base Kit

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AE Mods Kit

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Spacebars Kit

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40% Kit

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Novelties Kit - Blank keys are placeholders for wip designs

Hopefully we'll be looking to get GMK mockups and initial quotes early next week.
Fvk yas! Stoked on this!

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #81 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 18:50:02 »
yeah, i think AE kit will exceed everyone's expectation , will be very fabulous.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #82 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 20:04:50 »
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #83 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 20:23:00 »
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #84 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 20:24:12 »
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #85 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 21:50:30 »
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.

You didn't seem against it when you offered to do renders in return for a set. And it's not like I can tell what he posts on IG since he has me blocked. Besides, a GMK Troubled Minds will no doubt use color matching and appeal to everyone who wants Troubled Minds instead of this set.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #86 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 22:08:18 »
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.

You didn't seem against it when you offered to do renders in return for a set. And it's not like I can tell what he posts on IG since he has me blocked. Besides, a GMK Troubled Minds will no doubt use color matching and appeal to everyone who wants Troubled Minds instead of this set.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #87 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 22:14:08 »
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.

How does this small different set jeopardize a massive MD group buy? Did you happen to read my posts, or did you just jump in at the end?

I love thesiscamper's work, and I will totally buy GMK Troubled Minds if it ever comes to pass (though I'm not a huge fan of the SP colors) and my kira60 is one of my favorite boards, but unless I'm missing something, the only time he ever really posted anything serious was almost 2 years ago. And then like yesterday AFTER we started this IC. And his only mention was that he MIGHT do it and then only after SA TM runs again which itself is likely a few months out. Its totally possible I missed something, but I did try and find any mention of it being a real and/or confirmed thing, but I was never able to find it.

It's also not like anyone of us invented the 4 major tertiary color schemes (the biggest two that most people know are RGB and CMY, the other 2 are Violet, Orange and Spring Green and then Azure, Chartreuse and Rose. Unfortunately because of the particular versions of orange green and purple that are available in GMKs standard color palette, I feel like this is the only green purple orange combination that can really work. I'd love to have the popularity and pull to run a more balanced set with custom color in one of the inversions, but I'm realistic to know the best chance to get a set like this made is standard colors.

This entire set started cause I was talking to donut about some of the green sets I wanted, and the first one wouldnt work now, then I said, what about green and purple, and he wasn't keen, so I sent him a render of the first row of keys and he was into it.I was actually literally considering waiting until my bonus the end of this year and running the entire set out of pocket just so I could have it, so when donut said he would try it, that seemed preferable.

I've been making a LOT of effort to not step on anyones toes. I don't even really want a novelty kit, but people asked, so I have been trying, but anything I come up with is too close to thesis' work and so I scrap it. TBH if he wanted to do novelties and get all the credit and whatnot, I'm fine with that, I of course can't speak for donut, but I don't give 2 ****s about credit. My only goal is to get purple keys with green japanese legends without waiting years to get it. I also want standard colors so it's compatible with my other sets.

Either way though, lets be real here, there is no way this is gonna do even close to the sales a GMK TM would do on MD if it ever ran. And because of that, there is very little chance that it would EVER "jeapardize" TM.

Anyway, I'm really not trying to be inflammatory, so I hope that's not how it seems. I just really like bright keycaps and this is probably my favorite of the 4 major tertiary color schemes (though cmy is also up there).

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #88 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 22:17:54 »
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.

How does this small different set jeopardize a massive MD group buy? Did you happen to read my posts, or did you just jump in at the end?

I love thesiscamper's work, and I will totally buy GMK Troubled Minds if it ever comes to pass (though I'm not a huge fan of the SP colors) and my kira60 is one of my favorite boards, but unless I'm missing something, the only time he ever really posted anything serious was almost 2 years ago. And then like yesterday AFTER we started this IC. And his only mention was that he MIGHT do it and then only after SA TM runs again which itself is likely a few months out. Its totally possible I missed something, but I did try and find any mention of it being a real and/or confirmed thing, but I was never able to find it.

It's also not like anyone of us invented the 4 major tertiary color schemes (the biggest two that most people know are RGB and CMY, the other 2 are Violet, Orange and Spring Green and then Azure, Chartreuse and Rose. Unfortunately because of the particular versions of orange green and purple that are available in GMKs standard color palette, I feel like this is the only green purple orange combination that can really work. I'd love to have the popularity and pull to run a more balanced set with custom color in one of the inversions, but I'm realistic to know the best chance to get a set like this made is standard colors.

This entire set started cause I was talking to donut about some of the green sets I wanted, and the first one wouldnt work now, then I said, what about green and purple, and he wasn't keen, so I sent him a render of the first row of keys and he was into it.I was actually literally considering waiting until my bonus the end of this year and running the entire set out of pocket just so I could have it, so when donut said he would try it, that seemed preferable.

I've been making a LOT of effort to not step on anyones toes. I don't even really want a novelty kit, but people asked, so I have been trying, but anything I come up with is too close to thesis' work and so I scrap it. TBH if he wanted to do novelties and get all the credit and whatnot, I'm fine with that, I of course can't speak for donut, but I don't give 2 ****s about credit. My only goal is to get purple keys with green japanese legends without waiting years to get it. I also want standard colors so it's compatible with my other sets.

Either way though, lets be real here, there is no way this is gonna do even close to the sales a GMK TM would do on MD if it ever ran. And because of that, there is very little chance that it would EVER "jeapardize" TM.

Anyway, I'm really not trying to be inflammatory, so I hope that's not how it seems. I just really like bright keycaps and this is probably my favorite of the 4 major tertiary color schemes (though cmy is also up there).

dont sweat it. the worst anyone who's upset about it can do is just not participate in the GB. everything else is just talk talk talk.
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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #89 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 23:14:40 »
Ah, I didn't realize the base kit itself is going to have the gaijin legends and not a separate kit? That's extra buy-in incentive right there!

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #90 on: Thu, 08 March 2018, 23:15:26 »
Yep, the plan is to have double legends. Pretty cool!
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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #91 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 03:19:26 »
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.
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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #92 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 04:00:13 »
dont sweat it. the worst anyone who's upset about it can do is just not participate in the GB. everything else is just talk talk talk.

I'm with sth on this one. I'm all in on this set and I love the breakdown of the new kits!

I don't think the world can have enough NGE keycap sets...

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #93 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 04:07:02 »
dont sweat it. the worst anyone who's upset about it can do is just not participate in the GB. everything else is just talk talk talk.

I'm with sth on this one. I'm all in on this set and I love the breakdown of the new kits!

I don't think the world can have enough NGE keycap sets...

I'd still love to find a set of EVA Noctilucous.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #94 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 05:33:42 »
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.

You didn't seem against it when you offered to do renders in return for a set. And it's not like I can tell what he posts on IG since he has me blocked. Besides, a GMK Troubled Minds will no doubt use color matching and appeal to everyone who wants Troubled Minds instead of this set.

At which point it was an all purple set, things took a turn when you added green modifiers and orange novelties, going full on TM mode.- It used to be at least somewhat different.

I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.

How does this small different set jeopardize a massive MD group buy? Did you happen to read my posts, or did you just jump in at the end?

I love thesiscamper's work, and I will totally buy GMK Troubled Minds if it ever comes to pass (though I'm not a huge fan of the SP colors) and my kira60 is one of my favorite boards, but unless I'm missing something, the only time he ever really posted anything serious was almost 2 years ago. And then like yesterday AFTER we started this IC. And his only mention was that he MIGHT do it and then only after SA TM runs again which itself is likely a few months out. Its totally possible I missed something, but I did try and find any mention of it being a real and/or confirmed thing, but I was never able to find it.

It's also not like anyone of us invented the 4 major tertiary color schemes (the biggest two that most people know are RGB and CMY, the other 2 are Violet, Orange and Spring Green and then Azure, Chartreuse and Rose. Unfortunately because of the particular versions of orange green and purple that are available in GMKs standard color palette, I feel like this is the only green purple orange combination that can really work. I'd love to have the popularity and pull to run a more balanced set with custom color in one of the inversions, but I'm realistic to know the best chance to get a set like this made is standard colors.

This entire set started cause I was talking to donut about some of the green sets I wanted, and the first one wouldnt work now, then I said, what about green and purple, and he wasn't keen, so I sent him a render of the first row of keys and he was into it.I was actually literally considering waiting until my bonus the end of this year and running the entire set out of pocket just so I could have it, so when donut said he would try it, that seemed preferable.

I've been making a LOT of effort to not step on anyones toes. I don't even really want a novelty kit, but people asked, so I have been trying, but anything I come up with is too close to thesis' work and so I scrap it. TBH if he wanted to do novelties and get all the credit and whatnot, I'm fine with that, I of course can't speak for donut, but I don't give 2 ****s about credit. My only goal is to get purple keys with green japanese legends without waiting years to get it. I also want standard colors so it's compatible with my other sets.

Either way though, lets be real here, there is no way this is gonna do even close to the sales a GMK TM would do on MD if it ever ran. And because of that, there is very little chance that it would EVER "jeapardize" TM.

Anyway, I'm really not trying to be inflammatory, so I hope that's not how it seems. I just really like bright keycaps and this is probably my favorite of the 4 major tertiary color schemes (though cmy is also up there).

I understand where you are coming from, but wouldn't you say that adding green mods and novelty colors that also happen to be the same as TM is deviating from your original vision a bit much? You say you wanted to make an all green on purple set with weeb legends, yet now we are looking at what looks to be more and more just TM.

Also it is not yet clear if GMK TM will even end up on MD. Sure if it was, it would probably succeed regardless, but if it goes through other vendors that thesis has previously worked with, getting to 250 units again while this ran before will be a challenge.
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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #95 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 07:00:16 »
I'm against this set since it jeopardizes a future GMK Troubled Minds run that is already in the works as thesiscamper's past instagram posts have indicated.

How does this small different set jeopardize a massive MD group buy? Did you happen to read my posts, or did you just jump in at the end?

I love thesiscamper's work, and I will totally buy GMK Troubled Minds if it ever comes to pass (though I'm not a huge fan of the SP colors) and my kira60 is one of my favorite boards, but unless I'm missing something, the only time he ever really posted anything serious was almost 2 years ago. And then like yesterday AFTER we started this IC. And his only mention was that he MIGHT do it and then only after SA TM runs again which itself is likely a few months out. Its totally possible I missed something, but I did try and find any mention of it being a real and/or confirmed thing, but I was never able to find it.

It's also not like anyone of us invented the 4 major tertiary color schemes (the biggest two that most people know are RGB and CMY, the other 2 are Violet, Orange and Spring Green and then Azure, Chartreuse and Rose. Unfortunately because of the particular versions of orange green and purple that are available in GMKs standard color palette, I feel like this is the only green purple orange combination that can really work. I'd love to have the popularity and pull to run a more balanced set with custom color in one of the inversions, but I'm realistic to know the best chance to get a set like this made is standard colors.

This entire set started cause I was talking to donut about some of the green sets I wanted, and the first one wouldnt work now, then I said, what about green and purple, and he wasn't keen, so I sent him a render of the first row of keys and he was into it.I was actually literally considering waiting until my bonus the end of this year and running the entire set out of pocket just so I could have it, so when donut said he would try it, that seemed preferable.

I've been making a LOT of effort to not step on anyones toes. I don't even really want a novelty kit, but people asked, so I have been trying, but anything I come up with is too close to thesis' work and so I scrap it. TBH if he wanted to do novelties and get all the credit and whatnot, I'm fine with that, I of course can't speak for donut, but I don't give 2 ****s about credit. My only goal is to get purple keys with green japanese legends without waiting years to get it. I also want standard colors so it's compatible with my other sets.

Either way though, lets be real here, there is no way this is gonna do even close to the sales a GMK TM would do on MD if it ever ran. And because of that, there is very little chance that it would EVER "jeapardize" TM.

Anyway, I'm really not trying to be inflammatory, so I hope that's not how it seems. I just really like bright keycaps and this is probably my favorite of the 4 major tertiary color schemes (though cmy is also up there).

I understand where you are coming from, but wouldn't you say that adding green mods and novelty colors that also happen to be the same as TM is deviating from your original vision a bit much? You say you wanted to make an all green on purple set with weeb legends, yet now we are looking at what looks to be more and more just TM.

Also it is not yet clear if GMK TM will even end up on MD. Sure if it was, it would probably succeed regardless, but if it goes through other vendors that thesis has previously worked with, getting to 250 units again while this ran before will be a challenge.

And this is where I reiterate that you haven't read the whole thread. My first post in the thread that was about 1hr into it said the following:

Instead of doing AE accent keys, maybe go with an orange to mimic the 01's actual accents?  Though I guess that may invoke a Spyro look instead.

We are definitely considering orange, have already started testing it too, the problem is when you add 3 colors costs go up. Trying to figure out what the best option is. The green accents keep it cheap.
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That said, Evangelion isn't really the inspiration for me anyway, it's just the first thing people think of. Basically I was talking to donutcat about other sets I want cause I <3 weeb legends, and the one idea wouldnt work cause of current timing, so i suggested purple and green cause I like anything purple and donutcat likes green and the colors go well together imo.

I have also had the colors stuck in my head for a while though, and it's not from Eva, but I haven't quite pinned down what it reminds me of. My old constructicon toys were also the same colors (purple green orange) but I don't think that's it either. I think maybe it's just the horrible 90's colors in general (and it IS a standard Triadic color scheme)
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Now, I don't mind leaning into the eva theme, because it is what people will recognize, but It's not a must have/ deal breaker for me. I'm pretty simple as all i use are 60/65%, so I'm not super hung up on anything, so if people have preference for certain things, certain keys, specific legends or modifiers, etc, just say so.

Full purple not for me, something more in line with Troubled Minds with a more Eva theme color palet then I'm sold.

Donutcat prefers the simpler look of mostly purple, it also helps keep costs down, my actual preference is something like this:

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The question is can it be done cost effectively, is there enough interest for something so loud, etc. If there are tons of people interested in doing it, I'm all for the super loud eye melting sets. I love bright sets and there are already plenty of options for more muted things (i like those too). I mean ****, if there are enough people we could actually do custom colors and get a more saturated green :P. But I think that's wishful thinking really.

The other problem is that gets closer to troubled minds and I don't really wanna step on anyones toes. All I really care about is green weeb legends on purple alphas, ill take whatever other changes people want :P.

I never hid that I wanted orange and green. We ran an IC. People asked for green mods. To stick with the original goals and what donut wanted we stuck with an all purple base and only did green mods as an addon kit. We don't even know if they will hit moq. People ask for novelties so I've tried to make some, I don't really care if they happen as the colors are my goal anyway, not the novelties. If we can't come up with something good and unique, I'm fine with there being no novelties.

But isn't this the whole point of an IC? To adjust your GB to fit what the community wants and where the interest lies?

Also, let's remember that this set existed BEFORE troubled minds:



I am aware of no plans to run TM with gaijin alphas and this set ONLY includes them.

I just think it's a bit unfair to attack the thread when it IS a different set thesiscamper has never actually said he plans to run it in GMK, only that he might consider it at some date in the future. Have we really reached a point where a standard color scheme is someones property because they publicly considered maybe doing it in the future? Purple Green Orange is the opposite of CMY:



Anyway, I really don't want this to turn into a flame war. I totally get where your coming from, and maybe you have some inside information that supports your side better, I don't know, but you need to at least consider the other side. I want green japanese legends on purple. There is no evidence at all that even GMK TM would provide this. We ran IC for said set and people asked for the changes that have been made and they were done to make the set viable. Is your argument that community feedback and ICs should be ignored? We have NO intent to run the set with non gaijin alphas.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #96 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 07:15:46 »
I never hid that I wanted orange and green. We ran an IC. People asked for green mods. To stick with the original goals and what donut wanted we stuck with an all purple base and only did green mods as an addon kit. We don't even know if they will hit moq. People ask for novelties so I've tried to make some, I don't really care if they happen as the colors are my goal anyway, not the novelties. If we can't come up with something good and unique, I'm fine with there being no novelties.

But isn't this the whole point of an IC? To adjust your GB to fit what the community wants and where the interest lies?

So if I open an IC for a set with beige alphas and dark gray mods, and people ask for orange accents, do I then have a free pass to copy Carbon? Yes IC is about asking for feedback, but you aren't obligated to make every change requested.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #97 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 07:48:38 »
I never hid that I wanted orange and green. We ran an IC. People asked for green mods. To stick with the original goals and what donut wanted we stuck with an all purple base and only did green mods as an addon kit. We don't even know if they will hit moq. People ask for novelties so I've tried to make some, I don't really care if they happen as the colors are my goal anyway, not the novelties. If we can't come up with something good and unique, I'm fine with there being no novelties.

But isn't this the whole point of an IC? To adjust your GB to fit what the community wants and where the interest lies?

So if I open an IC for a set with beige alphas and dark gray mods, and people ask for orange accents, do I then have a free pass to copy Carbon? Yes IC is about asking for feedback, but you aren't obligated to make every change requested.

You know that's not the same thing. That is duplicating something that exists with what is essentially an identical copy. This set is different colors with different legends and none of the same novelties and is "duplicating" something that may or may not exist at some point in the future. And it's realistically much closer color wise to Noctilucous.

Does anyone own the Miami colorway? (CMY)

You are basically saying we shouldn't consider a similar colorway because we may or may not hurt the future sales of something that may or may not happen and may or may not actually provide the keys we want.

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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #98 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 07:49:19 »
listen just give me some unit 01 key set that isn't in a god awful profile please otherwise my board will forever just be on display, SA physically hurts for me to use
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Re: [IC] GMK Neon Gelatin Evangelism - New IC Form
« Reply #99 on: Fri, 09 March 2018, 07:58:49 »
IMO thesiscamper doesn't have a leg to stand on here. Holding this set up because he might someday run something similar, when his set used a color scheme that had been produced multiple times before is ridiculous.