[IC] CYGNUS — GB Live.

[SUB01]

I know I'm guilty of this too, but I think for the time being the focus should be less about the price of the kit and instead be more focused toward feedback. It would help to know what parts of the keyboard is still tentative and can be modified so the discussion can be more efficient.

edit: btw a rough groupbuy estimate pls?

edit2: I understand that hotswap probably won't be a thing, but when you eventually get the pcb could you test holtites and/or millmaxes with them?

[Wilba]

Do note that Rama boards are far from perfect and should not be your standard of highest quality.
The reason their recent kits have that sound-dampening mat is that previous kits sound notoriously hollow and boring, to the point people have looked down on them for "looks first, functions later".
And let's not even mention the issues with their PCBs. My now-sold M65-A was a nightmare to fix.

You cannot compare the M65-A (which was a commissioned case designed by Rama and run by KeyClack) with keyboards that Ramaworks designs and manufactures now (like M6-A, M60-A, KOYU, U80-A). This is like comparing the original Keycult No.1 produced by Originative, with the Keycult No.1/60, No.1/65, No.2, No.1 rev 1.

[calveeen]

Any chance at increasing the typing angle?

Yeah, 7 degrees would be perfect.

I disagree. A lot of boards being created/IC'd at 7 and 8 degree, especially the 75/TKL market. Very low amount of 5-6 degree boards out there. It is a good choice to be different.

Agreed. The 5.5 degree angle makes this board unique, and the low angle compliments the low profile design.

Hmmm, would you guys say that a steeper typing angle is better (more ergonomic) in reducing finger travel? If so, wouldn't it be more beneficial to be steeper : D (although I get the aesthetic preference)

[Maxusy]

Hmmm, would you guys say that a steeper typing angle is better (more ergonomic) in reducing finger travel? If so, wouldn't it be more beneficial to be steeper : D (although I get the aesthetic preference)

Depends on the person I guess, but personally I always hit my highest 10fastfinger scores with a flat keyboard (b.face, 0 degree angle) with a very thin pen under the case or something for a ~5 degree angle. Never been able to hit over 150wpm with angles higher than that although I tried. Also I think it feels awkward to your wrists, perhaps my wrists are different.

[SUB01]

Hmmm, would you guys say that a steeper typing angle is better (more ergonomic) in reducing finger travel? If so, wouldn't it be more beneficial to be steeper : D (although I get the aesthetic preference)
[/quote]

Former bio student here, if you mean more ergonomic as in what people feel as more comfortable, then I guess there is a subjective element to it. However, typing on a too steep a keyboard will lead your hand to stay in an extended state for too long causing wrist problems long term. Biologically speaking leaving your wrists as flat as possible is best for you. Though you do you, I don't mean to preach or anything.

[PheonixStarr]

Hmmm, would you guys say that a steeper typing angle is better (more ergonomic) in reducing finger travel? If so, wouldn't it be more beneficial to be steeper : D (although I get the aesthetic preference)

Keeb ergonomics is meme, anyway. I just know that 5.5° is more comfortable for me, personally, and other small private-buy keebs I made received generally positive response on the relatively low angle. I didn't do it because I wanted to be "different" from other keebs, but I suppose I can make that a selling point nonetheless

[calveeen]

Hmmm, would you guys say that a steeper typing angle is better (more ergonomic) in reducing finger travel? If so, wouldn't it be more beneficial to be steeper : D (although I get the aesthetic preference)

Keeb ergonomics is meme, anyway. I just know that 5.5° is more comfortable for me, personally, and other small private-buy keebs I made received generally positive response on the relatively low angle. I didn't do it because I wanted to be "different" from other keebs, but I suppose I can make that a selling point nonetheless

Gotcha, thanks all for replying!

[Kohsta]

I'm in

[SUB01]

When will the prototypes be ordered?

[PheonixStarr]

When will the prototypes be ordered?

Soon, I hope

I'm currently giving most of my attention to uni work, Austin, and GMK Nord. Perhaps in a month or three…?

[SUB01]

Oof. Good luck with that. Hope everything works out!

[Peiweisgreat]

When will the prototypes be ordered?

Soon, I hope

I'm currently giving most of my attention to uni work, Austin, and GMK Nord. Perhaps in a month or three…?

Well at least this gives people some time to save for this. Waiting for this board is going to slowly kill me inside tho.

[sapphyr]

So GB wen?

[Adelscott]

meh

[PheonixStarr]

update bump

[dantambok]

Love seeing technical data on this thing

[hottrout]

Very interested, great layout.  Would ISO plate and PCB be an option?

[PheonixStarr]

Very interested, great layout.  Would ISO plate and PCB be an option?

After some deliberation, I've decided not to offer ISO on this board. Usually, I'd add ISO support to the PCB and release an open-sourced plate file, but not this time.

[robert2300]

How can I buy this?

[SUB01]

How can I buy this?

Eventually, (hopefully), if there is enough interest in the board, the designer will open what is called a group buy. Once that opens, you can pay for the board, and with that money the designer will have the board be made. Usually, in a few months after the board is paid for, you will get the board shipped to you.

[wholypantalones]

Any chance at increasing the typing angle?

I've been watching this one with the intent to purchase, but then I remember it's a low typing angle and the fcfs amount is pretty low. Can't wait to see how they turn out tho.

[robert2300]

How can I buy this?

Eventually, (hopefully), if there is enough interest in the board, the designer will open what is called a group buy. Once that opens, you can pay for the board, and with that money the designer will have the board be made. Usually, in a few months after the board is paid for, you will get the board shipped to you.

 Thank you for telling me politely.

[PheonixStarr]

I've been watching this one with the intent to purchase, but then I remember it's a low typing angle and the fcfs amount is pretty low. Can't wait to see how they turn out tho.

Possibly I might make it a 55 unit MOQ, and open up the maximum to whatever. Hopefully, it'll stay under 100, but if that's how things roll, then it's how things roll.

[hottrout]

Very interested, great layout.  Would ISO plate and PCB be an option?

After some deliberation, I've decided not to offer ISO on this board. Usually, I'd add ISO support to the PCB and release an open-sourced plate file, but not this time.

Any particular reason why?  I love the layout but to be a daily driver I would need the ISO.  Good luck with the project, it is cool.

[breckstar]

I've been watching this one with the intent to purchase, but then I remember it's a low typing angle and the fcfs amount is pretty low. Can't wait to see how they turn out tho.

Possibly I might make it a 55 unit MOQ, and open up the maximum to whatever. Hopefully, it'll stay under 100, but if that's how things roll, then it's how things roll.

Like the idea of that. Want in for sure. 9/30 updates look good!

[xtruedoc]

Love this
Any chance of a black case color or are the colors pretty locked to the 6 shown?

[sapphyr]

ne photos of protos avail?

[_rubik]

Any chance at increasing the typing angle?

I've been watching this one with the intent to purchase, but then I remember it's a low typing angle and the fcfs amount is pretty low. Can't wait to see how they turn out tho.

5-6 degree boards are few and are between. Not a deal breaker for me.

Updates look great!

[PheonixStarr]

Love this
Any chance of a black case color or are the colors pretty locked to the 6 shown?

Not locked, but very little interest was shown in black, so I did not include it in the post. It'll show up as an option on the form, though.

ne photos of protos avail?

Come back in about two or three weeks

[paul8273]

Is there only 55 boards available when groupbuy is available?

[Mcnos]

Love this
Any chance of a black case color or are the colors pretty locked to the 6 shown?

Not locked, but very little interest was shown in black, so I did not include it in the post. It'll show up as an option on the form, though.

ne photos of protos avail?

Come back in about two or three weeks

Will proto be shown before gb starts?

[jaminb]

This looks amazing, must buy for me

[roostrc0gburn]

yeah, imma need a nice travel case with this pls. this is the perfect layout for travel / work

[cygnus21]

Really nice looking board. I think I need to be interested in this just because of the awesome name 

[The Rhymenocerus]

Love the layout! Very interested.

[noorejji]

Interested in this. +1 for ISO! I chose in the google form that I wouldn't be willing to go over $400, but if it meant ISO support for plate and PCB I'm more likely going to be fine with a price hike.

[vidoardes]

Interested in this. +1 for ISO! I chose in the google form that I wouldn't be willing to go over $400, but if it meant ISO support for plate and PCB I'm more likely going to be fine with a price hike.

This in ISO would be my dream board. I'm actually considering trying my first ANSI board ever just to get my hands on it.

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[noorejji]

This in ISO would be my dream board. I'm actually considering trying my first ANSI board ever just to get my hands on it.

It's not that bad going from ISO to ANSI, imo. I actually prefer the larger left shift. But using a nordic kit without ISO enter is a bit irksome. If the price is right I'll settle for ANSI on this board.

Btw don't forget the Sterling Silver render, PheonixStarr
Maybe with Analog Dreams?

[Poesjuh]

This in ISO would be my dream board. I'm actually considering trying my first ANSI board ever just to get my hands on it.

It's not that bad going from ISO to ANSI, imo. I actually prefer the larger left shift. But using a nordic kit without ISO enter is a bit irksome. If the price is right I'll settle for ANSI on this board.

Btw don't forget the Sterling Silver render, PheonixStarr
Maybe with Analog Dreams?

In The Netherlands we mostly use ansi so I'm no expect on the matter. But afaik ISOUK is the only iso layout that just changes position of keys compared to ansi but doesn't actually -add- anything. Where ISO-DE or norde layouts actually use the extra keys for new legends etc., so for those users I can imagine swapping to ansi would be harder.

[vidoardes]

It's not that bad going from ISO to ANSI, imo. I actually prefer the larger left shift. But using a nordic kit without ISO enter is a bit irksome. If the price is right I'll settle for ANSI on this board.

Btw don't forget the Sterling Silver render, PheonixStarr
Maybe with Analog Dreams?

In The Netherlands we mostly use ansi so I'm no expect on the matter. But afaik ISOUK is the only iso layout that just changes position of keys compared to ansi but doesn't actually -add- anything. Where ISO-DE or norde layouts actually use the extra keys for new legends etc., so for those users I can imagine swapping to ansi would be harder.

Problem with ANSI is that you loose the pound symbol. I know there is a unicode shortcut for it, but I work in finance so it is a commonly used key. You can technically do UK ANSI, but then you still need a board that supports short left shift or you loose either the #~ key or the |\ key, or program a shortcut combo around it

[phinix]

It's not that bad going from ISO to ANSI, imo. I actually prefer the larger left shift. But using a nordic kit without ISO enter is a bit irksome. If the price is right I'll settle for ANSI on this board.

Btw don't forget the Sterling Silver render, PheonixStarr
Maybe with Analog Dreams?

In The Netherlands we mostly use ansi so I'm no expect on the matter. But afaik ISOUK is the only iso layout that just changes position of keys compared to ansi but doesn't actually -add- anything. Where ISO-DE or norde layouts actually use the extra keys for new legends etc., so for those users I can imagine swapping to ansi would be harder.

Problem with ANSI is that you loose the pound symbol. I know there is a unicode shortcut for it, but I work in finance so it is a commonly used key. You can technically do UK ANSI, but then you still need a board that supports short left shift or you loose either the #~ key or the |\ key, or program a shortcut combo around it

How do you program a shortcut combo for it?
I decided to go ANSI after years of strugling to get ISO UK for all sets I wanted.
I use ALT Gr + numpad's 0163 on TKL Realforce to get pound, but it's a pain...

[ramnes]

This is interesting.

[badchad]

Any update? Cant wait for this board

[PheonixStarr]

Just a few days out from prototypes

GB will open maybe in a few weeks.

[breckstar]

Just a few days out from prototypes

GB will open maybe in a few weeks.

Hyped

[badchad]

sooo hyped

[DetectiveNio]

Skipping both Chimera and E8.5 for this. Hopefully I'll be able to cop one

[elmo]

really hyped about this.
the dark blue version matches GMK Dracula pretty much perfect imho 

[_rubik]

Skipping both Chimera and E8.5 for this. Hopefully I'll be able to cop one

Same -- in a fierce debate between this and J02. Chomping at the bit for protos. Pheonix, what are the odds there'll be a build stream?

[DetectiveNio]

Skipping both Chimera and E8.5 for this. Hopefully I'll be able to cop one

Same -- in a fierce debate between this and J02. Chomping at the bit for protos. Pheonix, what are the odds there'll be a build stream?

I went ahead and got e8.5 anyways

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