Post by: evangs on Tue, 17 January 2017, 11:47:55
I just wanted to let ya'll know that I will be launching the new LightCycle full set group buy on March 1st 2017. The kit is locked in and there won't be any changes.
It will be $160 per set and available either with MX or Alps stems.
Order here https://thevankeyboards.com/products/lightcycle-keycap-set (https://thevankeyboards.com/products/lightcycle-keycap-set)
I am running this set close to the line and am only collecting less than $4 per set for myself. The MOQ for each stem is 50.
I will take orders for 17 days (group buy ends on March 17th)
Sincerely,
TheVanMan
(http://i.imgur.com/HN6MwaB.png)
size guide
(http://i.imgur.com/FxUPMQ7.png)
The compatibility/international kit will be available as well for $110 and has an moq of 50 as well
(http://i.imgur.com/5WDgl9P.png)
compat size guide
(http://i.imgur.com/3TlS5Wk.png)
Post by: oatmicro on Tue, 17 January 2017, 12:01:15
Post by: Sneaky Potato on Tue, 17 January 2017, 12:04:57
Post by: evangs on Tue, 17 January 2017, 12:33:06
I'd be so in for the Alps set
Yeeeaahhh I will go for Alps :thumb:
thanks for the support!
Post by: Unforgivable on Tue, 17 January 2017, 12:34:21
Post by: evangs on Tue, 17 January 2017, 12:43:32
Hello Geekhackers,
I just wanted to let ya'll know that I will be launching the new LightCycle full set group buy on March 1st 2017. The kit is locked in and there won't be any changes.
It will be $160 per set and available either with MX or Alps stems.
I am running this set close to the line and am only collecting less than $4 per set for myself. The MOQ for each stem is 50.
I will take orders for 17 days (group buy ends on March 17th)
Sincerely,
TheVanManShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/HN6MwaB.png)
Yaaaas! Thanks Evan!
I can't tell but are there enough 1.50's for Winkeyless? I don't mind having to buy separate 7u spacebars. Great job, as always!
here is the size guide http://imgur.com/a/g2ANz (http://imgur.com/a/g2ANz)
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 17 January 2017, 12:49:16
Post by: evangs on Tue, 17 January 2017, 12:49:45
Might just buy one of each. It I'm def in for alps
thank you!
Post by: romevi on Tue, 17 January 2017, 13:14:01
Post by: evangs on Tue, 17 January 2017, 13:18:50
Alps and I'm in.:thumb:
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 17 January 2017, 14:22:11
I'll try to write up my findings in a week or so. Do you think doubleshot will come out any thicker than their PBT blanks? I'll have to account for that, so it won't be a perfect 1 to 1 comparison.
Post by: afrokobe on Tue, 17 January 2017, 14:24:59
Post by: evangs on Tue, 17 January 2017, 14:40:51
Post by: zslane on Tue, 17 January 2017, 14:43:54
I just bought a 10 piece set of 1x1 DSA blanks from PMK to test out on Matias Clicky switches. Going to make sure these feel delicious before I commit to both alps AND mx :)
I'll try to write up my findings in a week or so. Do you think doubleshot will come out any thicker than their PBT blanks? I'll have to account for that, so it won't be a perfect 1 to 1 comparison.
Thicker? No. But the plastic from the first shot does add a little bit to its overall mass.
Post by: jal on Tue, 17 January 2017, 15:07:20
I have Lightcycle from the MD drop. I didn't get the board then; can't quite remember what I was thinking, but I did get the caps, thinking that I would end up with a Van at some point.
And I did go in for one of those uberclassy nickel-finish beasts. But before that, I also went in for the Roadkit.
So now, for a truly swank (or at least matching) setup, I suppose I should sell someone the MD drop kit and order this, so numpad keys are available.
Or is there a chance that a numpad kit might be available some day?
Post by: evangs on Tue, 17 January 2017, 15:41:55
Now I have a conundrum. A nice one, but still.I would say to sell the MD set and get this one, I would also recommend waiting until the order for this is placed with SP. I'm doing everything in my power to make sure this doesn't fail and I have accurate quotes this time around and all that, but I would feel awful if you sold your set and didn't get this one.
I have Lightcycle from the MD drop. I didn't get the board then; can't quite remember what I was thinking, but I did get the caps, thinking that I would end up with a Van at some point.
And I did go in for one of those uberclassy nickel-finish beasts. But before that, I also went in for the Roadkit.
So now, for a truly swank (or at least matching) setup, I suppose I should sell someone the MD drop kit and order this, so numpad keys are available.
Or is there a chance that a numpad kit might be available some day?
Post by: jal on Tue, 17 January 2017, 16:54:56
I would say to sell the MD set and get this one, I would also recommend waiting until the order for this is placed with SP. I'm doing everything in my power to make sure this doesn't fail and I have accurate quotes this time around and all that, but I would feel awful if you sold your set and didn't get this one.
Thanks, Evan. That will likely be the plan.
And I'll preemptively assert that any sales that may or may not occur resulting from this conversation are my own fault. I'd feel awful if you ended up feeling awful for giving me advice.
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 17 January 2017, 17:08:12
going out for you guys, gonna run the compat set as well. see op for updated details.
You know the respect I have for you and your work and how I feel about this set, Evan. Thank you for bringing it back, I'll do my best to try and get an order in when the time comes, best of luck.
Post by: dante on Tue, 17 January 2017, 17:58:59
I have questions/requests regarding the Alps set:
1. Can you tell me what lubricant would be safe to put on the keycap stems? I hear these DSA caps run extra tight and even seen pictures of broken stems. If possible can you show on your Youtube channel where to apply the lube and how much?
2. I don't know what the correct terminology is but there is supposed to be extra "crap" that needs to be removed with an exacto knife on the stem. Do you (or anyone) have pictures of what exactly needs to be cut from the stem?
3. Because of #1 are DSA caps "happier" on Vintage Alps stems vs. Matias? From reading archives it looks like the Matias stems are a bit tighter.
Any help/advice you can give would be extremely appreciated. This will easily be the most expensive set I've ever considered purchasing and want to give the stems the best chance at a long life.
Post by: evangs on Tue, 17 January 2017, 20:59:23
going out for you guys, gonna run the compat set as well. see op for updated details.
You know the respect I have for you and your work and how I feel about this set, Evan. Thank you for bringing it back, I'll do my best to try and get an order in when the time comes, best of luck.
thanks, that means a lot :)
I would say to sell the MD set and get this one, I would also recommend waiting until the order for this is placed with SP. I'm doing everything in my power to make sure this doesn't fail and I have accurate quotes this time around and all that, but I would feel awful if you sold your set and didn't get this one.
Thanks, Evan. That will likely be the plan.
And I'll preemptively assert that any sales that may or may not occur resulting from this conversation are my own fault. I'd feel awful if you ended up feeling awful for giving me advice.
thanks :)
evangs,
I have questions/requests regarding the Alps set:
1. Can you tell me what lubricant would be safe to put on the keycap stems? I hear these DSA caps run extra tight and even seen pictures of broken stems. If possible can you show on your Youtube channel where to apply the lube and how much?
2. I don't know what the correct terminology is but there is supposed to be extra "crap" that needs to be removed with an exacto knife on the stem. Do you (or anyone) have pictures of what exactly needs to be cut from the stem?
3. Because of #1 are DSA caps "happier" on Vintage Alps stems vs. Matias? From reading archives it looks like the Matias stems are a bit tighter.
Any help/advice you can give would be extremely appreciated. This will easily be the most expensive set I've ever considered purchasing and want to give the stems the best chance at a long life.
I don't know about a lubricant, never heard of doing that.
I think someone had mentioned trimming the corners down on the stem to make it fit more loosely.
I've heard that they are tight on both matias and old alps.
my recommendation would be to just go very slowly with them, don't try to yank them right off. I may have better advice when I get some of the alps minivan sets and can actually take a look at them myself.
Post by: mrboovn on Wed, 18 January 2017, 01:09:04
Post by: evangs on Wed, 18 January 2017, 10:07:40
I am definitely in for 1 Alps set :thumb: I am happy to see you bring this set back evan.Thanks a lot :pawesome :D I am very excited to see this set made!
Post by: dante on Wed, 18 January 2017, 10:20:23
You see? I am evolving at a
Post by: zslane on Wed, 18 January 2017, 12:20:45
Post by: e_l_tang on Wed, 18 January 2017, 12:46:01
I would be cautious about lubing the stem mounts. Yes, Matias mounts make it a bear to remove keycaps (I always fear I'm going to pull the switch out because I have to pull with so much force), but once installed, keycaps tend to be a bit wobbly, especially keys wider than 1.5u. The Caps Lock key on my KPB V60 mini wobbles like a weeble! Putting lube onto the stems might make every keycap wobble and sway in very unpleasant ways.I'm pretty sure that as is the case with MX-style switches, the wobble caused by the gap between the slider and the housing and not by the gap between the keycap and the slider.
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 18 January 2017, 12:53:34
2. I don't know what the correct terminology is but there is supposed to be extra "crap" that needs to be removed with an exacto knife on the stem. Do you (or anyone) have pictures of what exactly needs to be cut from the stem?
I have the Alpine Winter set, which is an Alps set also made by SP. There isn't "extra" material. It's just that the Alps stems that come out of SP's molds fit really tightly in Matias switches. If you never plan to remove the caps once installed, you will not have to shave the corners. If you want to be able to remove the caps without risking damage to the caps or switches, you should shave the corners of the stems prior to installing the caps. All you have to do is take a blade and run it along the corners of the stem a few times so the corners become a bit "rounded".
(http://i.imgur.com/ISbu2bM.png)
Removing material from the corners will allow the caps to be installed and removed more easily. The degree of ease depends on how much you shave off the stems. Be wary though, if you shave off too much, the caps can come off quite easily. None of my caps will fall off if I flip my board upside down, but for better or worse, some of them can be removed with very little effort. It's possible that some might say they aren't tight enough, so just a word of caution.
Post by: Arhipio on Wed, 18 January 2017, 13:04:09
2. I don't know what the correct terminology is but there is supposed to be extra "crap" that needs to be removed with an exacto knife on the stem. Do you (or anyone) have pictures of what exactly needs to be cut from the stem?
I have the Alpine Winter set, which is an Alps set also made by SP. There isn't "extra" material. It's just that the Alps stems that come out of SP's molds fit really tightly in Matias switches. If you never plan to remove the caps once installed, you will not have to shave the corners. If you want to be able to remove the caps without risking damage to the caps or switches, you should shave the corners of the stems prior to installing the caps. All you have to do is take a blade and run it along the corners of the stem a few times so the corners become a bit "rounded".Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ISbu2bM.png)
Removing material from the corners will allow the caps to be installed and removed more easily. The degree of ease depends on how much you shave off the stems. Be wary though, if you shave off too much, the caps can come off quite easily. None of my caps will fall off if I flip my board upside down, but for better or worse, some of them can be removed with very little effort. It's possible that some might say they aren't tight enough, so just a word of caution.
You could use the tape trick if the caps ever get to loose. Place a small piece of regular tape on the switch, and press the cap over it. It should provide a thick enough cushion to keep the cap snugly on there. I use this method for poorly made artisan stems :P .
Post by: zslane on Wed, 18 January 2017, 13:10:28
I would be cautious about lubing the stem mounts. Yes, Matias mounts make it a bear to remove keycaps (I always fear I'm going to pull the switch out because I have to pull with so much force), but once installed, keycaps tend to be a bit wobbly, especially keys wider than 1.5u. The Caps Lock key on my KPB V60 mini wobbles like a weeble! Putting lube onto the stems might make every keycap wobble and sway in very unpleasant ways.I'm pretty sure that as is the case with MX-style switches, the wobble caused by the gap between the slider and the housing and not by the gap between the keycap and the slider.
Ah, okay. Good to know.
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 18 January 2017, 13:12:15
2. I don't know what the correct terminology is but there is supposed to be extra "crap" that needs to be removed with an exacto knife on the stem. Do you (or anyone) have pictures of what exactly needs to be cut from the stem?
I have the Alpine Winter set, which is an Alps set also made by SP. There isn't "extra" material. It's just that the Alps stems that come out of SP's molds fit really tightly in Matias switches. If you never plan to remove the caps once installed, you will not have to shave the corners. If you want to be able to remove the caps without risking damage to the caps or switches, you should shave the corners of the stems prior to installing the caps. All you have to do is take a blade and run it along the corners of the stem a few times so the corners become a bit "rounded".Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ISbu2bM.png)
Removing material from the corners will allow the caps to be installed and removed more easily. The degree of ease depends on how much you shave off the stems. Be wary though, if you shave off too much, the caps can come off quite easily. None of my caps will fall off if I flip my board upside down, but for better or worse, some of them can be removed with very little effort. It's possible that some might say they aren't tight enough, so just a word of caution.
You could use the tape trick if the caps ever get to loose. Place a small piece of regular tape on the switch, and press the cap over it. It should provide a thick enough cushion to keep the cap snugly on there. I use this method for poorly made artisan stems :P .
True. I haven't tried that with Matias switches though - only Cherry. It'll probably work just as well. I don't think any of my caps are too loose, but I figured I'd put that out there before someone shaves off more than they'd like and blames me for not disclosing that information.
Post by: zslane on Wed, 18 January 2017, 13:35:08
If you want to be able to remove the caps without risking damage to the caps or switches, you should shave the corners of the stems prior to installing the caps.
For shame!
Seriously though, thank you for the tip, but I honestly don't know why anyone would put a glorious set like LightCycle DSA on an Alps board and then ever take them off. I mean, its not like there is a better keycap set out there to replace them with. And given how rare it is that anyone designs a DSA set and runs the GB with Alps mounts as an option, the chances that any other DSA set--much less a better one--will come along seems virtually nil.
I am confident that LightCycle DSA will be on my KPB V60 mini for life. Y'all who plan to put them on with the prospect that you might take them off are batsh*t crazy if you ask me... :p
Post by: sems on Wed, 18 January 2017, 13:53:04
Dasher GB was so cheap!
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 18 January 2017, 13:54:33
If you want to be able to remove the caps without risking damage to the caps or switches, you should shave the corners of the stems prior to installing the caps.
For shame!
Seriously though, thank you for the tip, but I honestly don't know why anyone would put a glorious set like LightCycle DSA on an Alps board and then ever take them off. I mean, its not like there is a better keycap set out there to replace them with. And given how rare it is that anyone designs a DSA set and runs the GB with Alps mounts as an option, the chances that any other DSA set--much less a better one--will come along seems virtually nil.
I am confident that LightCycle DSA will be on my KPB V60 mini for life. Y'all who plan to put them on with the prospect that you might take them off are batsh*t crazy if you ask me... :p
At the very least, I think people should shave the corners of the caps around screw mounts so they can remove caps to access screws in the event they want to swap the case.
Post by: zslane on Wed, 18 January 2017, 14:31:15
Unfortunately for me, I don't think my KPB V60 mini keyboard is compatible with any third party case. There really needs to be a standard established for that...
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 18 January 2017, 14:43:19
A fair point!
Unfortunately for me, I don't think my KPB V60 mini keyboard is compatible with any third party case. There really needs to be a standard established for that...
Actually... you CAN put it in any standard 60% case. However, it only screws in on the sides and by the space bar, so you will need to put some support under it for those without built in support (which is most cases). I used some craft foam and stacked it up between the switch rows on the back. BUT! the TEX cases with the raised grooves don't even need that. The board fits like a glove.
Like this one: https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1618
Fits perfectly. The usb connection is almost incompatible, but works.
It also fits well in the Pok3r cases because they also have built in support, and not just standoffs.
The challenge, and where you need to add your own support, is in the cases like the royal glam or these Chinese cases:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Customized-KC60-Full-Set-Aluminum-Case-Programmable-PCB-Steel-Plate-Switches-LED-For-60-Standard-Layout/429151_32620290856.html
Like I said, if you just put some material for support between the switch rows, you'll be fine. I had my v60 Matias Click in the Royal Glam for several months and it worked well. I do like the simplicity of the stock case though. And it would look nice with light cycle.
To be doubly sure (if that's a word), I'll but mine in a Pok3r case and take some photos tonight. I'll post back here later.
Post by: murkey on Wed, 18 January 2017, 14:51:17
Post by: dante on Wed, 18 January 2017, 14:52:34
I honestly don't know why anyone would put a glorious set like LightCycle DSA on an Alps board and then ever take them off.
In the past year there have been many reports of chattering Matias switches. It's not just Matias brand boards that have it as it's on the KBParadise as well. Some have suggested updating the firmware but I haven't found any confirmation that it works.
That's the biggest reason for worrying about taking off keycaps. I could give **** all about pulling switches - it's the caps I worry about.
I'm also way too OCD to mess around with shaving keycaps. :(
Post by: dante on Wed, 18 January 2017, 15:19:24
I suppose to avoid chattering one could substitute a NOS or "rebuilt" vintage Alps switch. But still, the potential for chatter is there.
I guess one could also type on said keyboard for 3-6 months to break it in and make sure the switches are solid before swapping caps.
Post by: zslane on Wed, 18 January 2017, 16:03:53
A fair point!
Unfortunately for me, I don't think my KPB V60 mini keyboard is compatible with any third party case. There really needs to be a standard established for that...
Actually... you CAN put it in any standard 60% case. However, it only screws in on the sides and by the space bar, so you will need to put some support under it for those without built in support (which is most cases). I used some craft foam and stacked it up between the switch rows on the back. BUT! the TEX cases with the raised grooves don't even need that. The board fits like a glove.
Like this one: https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1618
Fits perfectly. The usb connection is almost incompatible, but works.
It also fits well in the Pok3r cases because they also have built in support, and not just standoffs.
The challenge, and where you need to add your own support, is in the cases like the royal glam or these Chinese cases:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Customized-KC60-Full-Set-Aluminum-Case-Programmable-PCB-Steel-Plate-Switches-LED-For-60-Standard-Layout/429151_32620290856.html
Like I said, if you just put some material for support between the switch rows, you'll be fine. I had my v60 Matias Click in the Royal Glam for several months and it worked well. I do like the simplicity of the stock case though. And it would look nice with light cycle.
To be doubly sure (if that's a word), I'll but mine in a Pok3r case and take some photos tonight. I'll post back here later.
I wanted to put my V60 mini into a Lambo case, but photos of the KBP board showed that there weren't enough holes in the right places to secure it to the case.
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 18 January 2017, 16:51:45
A fair point!
Unfortunately for me, I don't think my KPB V60 mini keyboard is compatible with any third party case. There really needs to be a standard established for that...
Actually... you CAN put it in any standard 60% case. However, it only screws in on the sides and by the space bar, so you will need to put some support under it for those without built in support (which is most cases). I used some craft foam and stacked it up between the switch rows on the back. BUT! the TEX cases with the raised grooves don't even need that. The board fits like a glove.
Like this one: https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1618
Fits perfectly. The usb connection is almost incompatible, but works.
It also fits well in the Pok3r cases because they also have built in support, and not just standoffs.
The challenge, and where you need to add your own support, is in the cases like the royal glam or these Chinese cases:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Customized-KC60-Full-Set-Aluminum-Case-Programmable-PCB-Steel-Plate-Switches-LED-For-60-Standard-Layout/429151_32620290856.html
Like I said, if you just put some material for support between the switch rows, you'll be fine. I had my v60 Matias Click in the Royal Glam for several months and it worked well. I do like the simplicity of the stock case though. And it would look nice with light cycle.
To be doubly sure (if that's a word), I'll but mine in a Pok3r case and take some photos tonight. I'll post back here later.
I wanted to put my V60 mini into a Lambo case, but photos of the KBP board showed that there weren't enough holes in the right places to secure it to the case.
V60 lines up with 3 holes. As you know, the other 2 in the center of the board are special mountings, unique to the V60.
Here's where they line up (Lambo case):
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I'm not positive if that case gives enough cutout/clearance for the dip switches. It looks like it would work, though.
Post by: zslane on Wed, 18 January 2017, 17:15:13
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 18 January 2017, 17:55:36
But there aren't the necessary holes drilled into the PCB (or plate?) to make all three of those holes usable without modifying the V60 mini, right?
Depends on when your V60 MTS was manufactured. According to this Facebook post by KBP, the new V60 MTS can fit Poker-style cases. https://www.facebook.com/pg/KBParadise/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1313550418670428 (https://www.facebook.com/pg/KBParadise/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1313550418670428)
Post by: zslane on Wed, 18 January 2017, 18:04:59
Well I bought mine in Fall of 2016 so surely mine has the three holes and should fit the Lambo, though it may need some standoffs or something, right?
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 18 January 2017, 20:08:59
I see!
Well I bought mine in Fall of 2016 so surely mine has the three holes and should fit the Lambo, though it may need some standoffs or something, right?
Made this just for you, zslane :)
http://imgur.com/a/e06jG
Enjoy!
I'll add, it is very solid. No movement or flex whatsoever in that case. However, that's because the Pok3r case has an edge around the top of the case for the PCB to sit on. So do Tex cases. The problem I had was with my royal glam just being a hollow rectangle (I even had to add standoffs and chisel out the dip switch hole... don't get me started on that damn purchase! $100 and 4 hours of detail work later and now it's nice). So, when you would press on the number row or backspace, the board would flex down a bit. The foam solved that issue.
I'm pretty positive the Lambo has a supporting edge around the top, so no worries there. Man, light cycle in a black lambo case.... that's hot.
Post by: zslane on Thu, 19 January 2017, 12:27:36
When I look at the bottom of my Pok3r, there are no exposed holes at all and only 4 DIP switches. Why is there an exposed hole near the bottom pad on yours and 6 DIP switches?
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 19 January 2017, 16:20:22
Thanks for those photos.
When I look at the bottom of my Pok3r, there are no exposed holes at all and only 4 DIP switches. Why is there an exposed hole near the bottom pad on yours and 6 DIP switches?
Oh, are you referring to the first two pics? That is the KPB V60 case. So, I took it OUT of the v60 case and put it IN to the pok3r case. I updated the image captions to better explain.
Post by: zslane on Thu, 19 January 2017, 16:42:04
Post by: gandroider on Thu, 19 January 2017, 18:26:26
Thanks
Post by: evangs on Fri, 20 January 2017, 00:54:54
Will this support 1800 and 75% layout? As a Dolch-themed fans, I will surely join if so.
Thanks
yes it will
Post by: TomBodet on Fri, 20 January 2017, 07:34:28
ETA: Ok I got over excited and had to reply first then read... From the look of that size guide do fill out an ErgoDox I'm going to need the compat set as well due to all those 125 keys, not 150. So first time around it was going to be $160 for it all and I was covered, now to be covered it's $270? ugh. novelty/cool factor quickly losing ground to cost. Can't justify that.
Post by: evangs on Fri, 20 January 2017, 12:55:56
Woohooo!MX plz
ETA: Ok I got over excited and had to reply first then read... From the look of that size guide do fill out an ErgoDox I'm going to need the compat set as well due to all those 125 keys, not 150. So first time around it was going to be $160 for it all and I was covered, now to be covered it's $270? ugh. novelty/cool factor quickly losing ground to cost. Can't justify that.
I totally understand. I wasn't planning on running with these prices, but people kept asking.
Post by: bmmcwhirt on Mon, 23 January 2017, 15:11:57
Post by: evangs on Tue, 24 January 2017, 11:22:41
I am eagerly waiting on this one but have a question, can we get the plastic color codes listed? I know that HTML RGB Color don't match up exactly and I'd like to get a better idea. I'm asking mostly because I'm color coordinating a custom case and cable to match for when I get the keys.
the color codes are GX, GY, and BFQ
Post by: bmmcwhirt on Tue, 24 January 2017, 13:02:45
the color codes are GX, GY, and BFQ
Thank you.
Now the long dark wait till the end of May.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Tue, 24 January 2017, 13:25:48
Post by: smithyithy on Tue, 24 January 2017, 15:47:37
I've seen some group buys where it's not allowed, but I figured as you're also offering Alps it might be worth at least buying a set of each stem type..
Post by: zslane on Tue, 24 January 2017, 16:03:40
Post by: evangs on Tue, 24 January 2017, 16:06:29
You okay with people buying multiple sets evangs?
I've seen some group buys where it's not allowed, but I figured as you're also offering Alps it might be worth at least buying a set of each stem type..
I never limit anyone on what they purchase. :thumb:
Post by: evangs on Tue, 24 January 2017, 16:06:53
That's what I'm likely to do, assuming it is allowed.
it is allowed, and encouraged. helps meet those MOQs
Post by: smithyithy on Wed, 25 January 2017, 04:38:53
Post by: daaawooo on Wed, 25 January 2017, 17:55:10
but price to fill my ergodox went quite hefty up from 150 to 270 ... damn.
Post by: zslane on Wed, 25 January 2017, 19:47:47
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 26 January 2017, 22:17:01
Could you provide a photo of the V60 mini in the Pok3r case, but viewed from the bottom? I'm curious what the 6-DIP switch block looks like given the small size of the window provided on the Pok3r case.
Sorry it took me so long to respond. I didn't get a photo but I stuck it in there to check and it looks like it blocks off the #1 DIP switch :(
Tex case fits fine though
Post by: zslane on Sun, 29 January 2017, 12:23:58
Could you provide a photo of the V60 mini in the Pok3r case, but viewed from the bottom? I'm curious what the 6-DIP switch block looks like given the small size of the window provided on the Pok3r case.
Sorry it took me so long to respond. I didn't get a photo but I stuck it in there to check and it looks like it blocks off the #1 DIP switch :(
Tex case fits fine though
Does the blocked DIP switch prevent the case from fitting onto the board though? Once I have the switches set, I don't really need access to them again, so I'm not concerned about one of them being blocked. I only care that I can fit the board into the Lambo case properly and securely.
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 29 January 2017, 15:26:00
Post by: Jedi on Sun, 29 January 2017, 22:36:15
Post by: SunshineGrrrl on Thu, 09 February 2017, 17:36:04
Post by: child on Fri, 10 February 2017, 01:28:49
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sat, 11 February 2017, 09:04:12
Post by: arhetue on Sat, 11 February 2017, 13:06:38
Post by: eksuen on Sat, 11 February 2017, 22:24:45
I was wondering, which stabs do the ALPS caps use?
These will be made by SP so they'll use Cherry cruciform stab inserts.
Post by: arhetue on Thu, 16 February 2017, 14:03:03
Post by: Slash Emperor on Thu, 16 February 2017, 14:16:32
These are abs correct? I would love it even more if it were pbt...
Can't currently dyesub lighter colors onto darker bases, unfortunately, and SA isn't set up for doubleshot PBT as far as I know.
Post by: spanyam on Thu, 16 February 2017, 14:44:06
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 16 February 2017, 16:29:41
These are abs correct? I would love it even more if it were pbt...
Can't currently dyesub lighter colors onto darker bases, unfortunately, and SA isn't set up for doubleshot PBT as far as I know.
If 5-sided inverse dye sub (dying a lighter cap on all sides and leaving the legend un-dyed) looks good, I think this may no longer be an issue. However, I haven't see the end result of this process yet. I think MC Rebirth (modifiers) will be the first mainstream run out there. Also there was the Green SA clone set being produced in China with the process (the infamous SCOROLL LOCK key set!)
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 22 February 2017, 21:03:18
Post by: dante on Thu, 23 February 2017, 08:24:29
(http://www.marcospecialties.com//images/products/830-52B9-11/large.jpg)
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 23 February 2017, 09:28:49
Best Pinball graphics ever:Show Image(http://www.marcospecialties.com//images/products/830-52B9-11/large.jpg)
I love me some pinball...always wanted my own machine, but I gots nowheres to put it
Post by: gadzkun on Thu, 23 February 2017, 20:04:32
Post by: hhkbp2 on Fri, 24 February 2017, 07:15:38
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 24 February 2017, 08:53:37
Post by: CampAsAChamp on Fri, 24 February 2017, 12:49:03
Hey OP, pardon me if this has been addressed already, but what is the production time frame on this once the GB closes?
10 weeks after GB closes. Then it should be shipping to us around May 31st, if everything goes smoothly.
https://thevankeyboards.com/products/lightcycle-keycap-set?variant=34315776526
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 24 February 2017, 12:55:34
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 24 February 2017, 12:55:58
Hey OP, pardon me if this has been addressed already, but what is the production time frame on this once the GB closes?
10 weeks after GB closes. Then it should be shipping to us around May 31st, if everything goes smoothly.
https://thevankeyboards.com/products/lightcycle-keycap-set?variant=34315776526
Thanks.
Post by: bmmcwhirt on Tue, 28 February 2017, 15:09:20
Post by: mustardgreens on Tue, 28 February 2017, 23:06:45
Please guys if you're interested please support the Alps set -- they don't come around too often! Minimum MOQ is 50 pcs, let's make it happen.
Post by: CampAsAChamp on Tue, 28 February 2017, 23:10:19
Just wondering if there are gonna be any price drops for MOQ on this set?
I'm still gonna pick up a set anyways but might pick up two sets if there is a price drop.
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 01 March 2017, 00:12:50
SUPER EXCITED, can't wait to get my set.
Just wondering if there are gonna be any price drops for MOQ on this set?
I'm still gonna pick up a set anyways but might pick up two sets if there is a price drop.
Quote
No, I wish there washttps://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5wsybi/buying_the_mcp_must_be_destroyed_lightcycle_is/decuv7s/
Post by: gadzkun on Wed, 01 March 2017, 00:28:48
Post by: bmmcwhirt on Wed, 01 March 2017, 01:38:20
We also need to make sure this gets added to the list of currently running so it's as visible as possible.
Post by: evangs on Wed, 01 March 2017, 09:06:48
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 01 March 2017, 10:01:43
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 01 March 2017, 13:30:38
Post by: evangs on Wed, 01 March 2017, 22:45:14
Post by: bmmcwhirt on Wed, 01 March 2017, 23:09:49
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 01 March 2017, 23:41:37
Gotta get Alps to 50!
Post by: bmmcwhirt on Thu, 02 March 2017, 02:34:05
Also, I don't see anything posted for the new group buy on r/MechanicalKeyboards or r/mechmarket
Gotta get Alps to 50!
You just missed it, it's on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5ojgd6/news_dsa_lightcycle_group_buy_starting_march_1st/?ref=search_posts
There just haven't ben any recent posts so I posted that it is live.
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 02 March 2017, 07:23:21
Pretty good numbers todayShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/9DtgYD4.jpg)
I will be adding to the score once I get my DSA Raindop set sold...
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 02 March 2017, 07:27:07
From this thread:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87816.msg2374448#msg2374448
Quote:
My only experience with dsa alps was the lightcycle set that came with my minivan - and it was delicate as can be. I ripped a couple stems off just trying to remove a cap from the switch and from what I could tell, the doubleshot did not adhere like it should to both colors. Wouldn't be a problem with blanks though if i'm correct in diagnosing the problem but i'd definitely be weary of buying more sets especially if they were SP priced.
My V80 has some kinda costar type stabs but with out normal mounts. It definitely is a standards problem getting a mod set that works for everyone.
Post by: evangs on Thu, 02 March 2017, 08:39:40
Evangs, did you get any complaints in R1 about the double shot implementation?
From this thread:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87816.msg2374448#msg2374448
Quote:
My only experience with dsa alps was the lightcycle set that came with my minivan - and it was delicate as can be. I ripped a couple stems off just trying to remove a cap from the switch and from what I could tell, the doubleshot did not adhere like it should to both colors. Wouldn't be a problem with blanks though if i'm correct in diagnosing the problem but i'd definitely be weary of buying more sets especially if they were SP priced.
My V80 has some kinda costar type stabs but with out normal mounts. It definitely is a standards problem getting a mod set that works for everyone.
I got a couple complaints, but there were a lot of people who didn't complain. I have yet to get a set myself so I can't actually speak to it myself. A friend of mine got the alps MiniVan and he reported no issues, so I don't know if people were just new to alps tightness or if there is actually an issue.
Post by: zslane on Thu, 02 March 2017, 12:41:51
Post by: eksuen on Thu, 02 March 2017, 12:59:00
Evangs, did you get any complaints in R1 about the double shot implementation?
From this thread:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87816.msg2374448#msg2374448
Quote:
My only experience with dsa alps was the lightcycle set that came with my minivan - and it was delicate as can be. I ripped a couple stems off just trying to remove a cap from the switch and from what I could tell, the doubleshot did not adhere like it should to both colors. Wouldn't be a problem with blanks though if i'm correct in diagnosing the problem but i'd definitely be weary of buying more sets especially if they were SP priced.
My V80 has some kinda costar type stabs but with out normal mounts. It definitely is a standards problem getting a mod set that works for everyone.
I got a couple complaints, but there were a lot of people who didn't complain. I have yet to get a set myself so I can't actually speak to it myself. A friend of mine got the alps MiniVan and he reported no issues, so I don't know if people were just new to alps tightness or if there is actually an issue.
It's a known issue that the stems of SP's ALPS caps fit very tightly in Matias switches, but the solution (shaving the corners of the stems), whilst a little tedious to perform, is perfectly viable. If this information is shared upfront so buyers know what they are getting into, I don't see a problem.
Post by: Jubileus on Thu, 02 March 2017, 20:04:02
Post by: bmmcwhirt on Thu, 02 March 2017, 21:19:17
Would it still be possible to add another spacebar kit? I really need the 7u spacebars, but not all the international keys. :(
I can't speak for Evangs, but but I bet it's too late. You might also look for someone that is getting that kit but doesn't need the spacebar. Unfortunately that isn't me or I'd be happy to help you out but I'm not getting anything but the base. Hopefully here is someone who can help, but you can increase your chances by asking in the DT and Reddit threads also.
Post by: KetchyKech on Thu, 02 March 2017, 22:25:53
Post by: bmmcwhirt on Fri, 03 March 2017, 17:23:16
Post by: zslane on Sat, 04 March 2017, 12:42:48
Post by: 00zeRO on Sun, 05 March 2017, 14:35:19
Post by: smithyithy on Sun, 05 March 2017, 15:40:06
So as a sort of dry run, I was able to transfer a Pok3r case to my KBP V60 mini, securing it with the two side screw holes and the bottom one under the spacebar. So assuming the Lambo case has these same screw holes, it should be perfect for this board. Now comes the long wait for the keycaps. :p
I re-cased my V60 Matias this weekend too. Similar issues, though overall I'm happy with the result. I was able to use the far-right and far-left mounting holes, as well as the one just above the space bar. Took some adjusting but it does sit square and still now. I used some foam shelf liner, folded over a few times to pad out the space between the PCB and case, just used a craft knife to cut holes for the mounts and DIP switches fit through. You wouldn't know it's there now that it's all assembled, but I think it does help reduce echoing or pinging of the switches.
Speaking of DIP switches - because the PCB doesn't sit flat against the inside of the case and is instead 'suspended' by the mounts, all 6 DIP switches are accessible. They are slightly recessed but using a precision screwdriver or similar makes them easy to flick. I think with a low profile case you might find it difficult to access all of them. The Mini USB port at the rear lines up perfectly, no issues there.
Just thought I'd share my experience - we can definitely use regular alu cases for our V60s, I just think there might be a small amount of variation between different brands and designs.
The overall difference to the keyboard is excellent though, the new case alone weighs more than a stock V60, I think it's 1.35 Kg fully assembled now.
Post by: mustardgreens on Mon, 06 March 2017, 09:18:46
Post by: ac2531 on Mon, 06 March 2017, 09:27:22
Pretty good numbers todayShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/9DtgYD4.jpg)
Sounds like it's off to a great start - I'm in for one of each kit in MX stem! Are you going to be doing periodic MOQ updates throughout the GB? I'm very interested to see what the compatibility kits do.
Post by: 00zeRO on Mon, 06 March 2017, 11:54:47
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/5xuofc/gb_lightcycle_keycap_set_posted_by_a_big_fan/
I know their mods may be a bit strict...hopes I don't get in twouble.
Post by: evangs on Mon, 06 March 2017, 12:44:35
Just helped with a plug on Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/5xuofc/gb_lightcycle_keycap_set_posted_by_a_big_fan/
I know their mods may be a bit strict...hopes I don't get in twouble.
thank you!
(https://i.redd.it/zjx6psmz0ujy.png)
alps base is halfway, both compat kits need some love. Lets rally and get each kit to moq (50)
Post by: 00zeRO on Mon, 06 March 2017, 12:52:39
Just helped with a plug on Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/5xuofc/gb_lightcycle_keycap_set_posted_by_a_big_fan/
I know their mods may be a bit strict...hopes I don't get in twouble.
thank you!Show Image(https://i.redd.it/zjx6psmz0ujy.png)
alps base is halfway, both compat kits need some love. Lets rally and get each kit to moq (50)
Yep, it got removed. Apparently I broke two rules which I had no idea about:
1. Someone else posted about this GB less than 48 hours ago
2. I posted my own GB (completely unrelated), and apparently I am not able to post another GB post if I already am posting for mine...sheesh. They are really strict over there...sorry evangs.
Post by: zslane on Mon, 06 March 2017, 13:13:28
Post by: 00zeRO on Mon, 06 March 2017, 13:18:47
Given that content gets pushed out of sight in less than 24 hours over there, a 48 hour window seems twice as long as it needs to be.
tell me about it...
Post by: zslane on Mon, 06 March 2017, 13:24:34
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Tue, 07 March 2017, 01:32:53
Post by: zslane on Tue, 07 March 2017, 12:05:16
If the Alps kit doesn't reach MOQ, then I'm just going to say f**k it and sell my KBP V60 mini.
Post by: arhetue on Tue, 07 March 2017, 12:18:50
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 07 March 2017, 12:55:19
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Tue, 07 March 2017, 13:10:37
Post by: hebbler on Tue, 07 March 2017, 14:00:57
Post by: eksuen on Tue, 07 March 2017, 14:52:02
Alps is a teeny, tiny market. And most Alps fans only seem to want to use vintage keycaps that came from either an IBM clone or an AEK. Those of us interested in LightCycle DSA are a niche of a niche.
If the Alps kit doesn't reach MOQ, then I'm just going to say f**k it and sell my KBP V60 mini.
On top of that, not everyone is a fan of the DSA profile.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 07 March 2017, 15:25:30
Alps is a teeny, tiny market. And most Alps fans only seem to want to use vintage keycaps that came from either an IBM clone or an AEK. Those of us interested in LightCycle DSA are a niche of a niche.
If the Alps kit doesn't reach MOQ, then I'm just going to say f**k it and sell my KBP V60 mini.
On top of that, not everyone is a fan of the DSA profile.
I hope that's the main thing causing the low order count, it's always sad to see ALPS stuff fail, especially because this niche needs customisation options the most.
I've also got some ALPS stuff planned and I really hope that it won't die because of MOQ.
On another note I'll top off my bank account tomorrow, so I can join for a ALPS base kit :thumb:
Post by: mustardgreens on Tue, 07 March 2017, 16:15:22
Post by: CampAsAChamp on Tue, 07 March 2017, 19:13:17
Ordered MX Base + Compatibility, and a matching cable. Hope the MX compatibility set meets MOQ, I need this on my 40%.
What cable did you get? Been looking to get one to match this set and would love some ideas.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Tue, 07 March 2017, 20:39:48
Post by: Blazestorm on Wed, 08 March 2017, 05:04:54
Post by: infiniti on Wed, 08 March 2017, 07:11:34
GLWGB! :thumb:
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 08 March 2017, 07:27:28
Post by: hebbler on Wed, 08 March 2017, 09:35:20
Yep, that's the one.Ordered MX Base + Compatibility, and a matching cable. Hope the MX compatibility set meets MOQ, I need this on my 40%.
What cable did you get? Been looking to get one to match this set and would love some ideas.
this one, I guess (https://thevankeyboards.com/products/usb-a-to-mini-b-cable-for-the-minivan)
Post by: KetchyKech on Wed, 08 March 2017, 09:43:14
cmmmooooooonnnnnnnn :-[
Post by: MandrewDavis on Wed, 08 March 2017, 11:48:13
Alps is a teeny, tiny market. And most Alps fans only seem to want to use vintage keycaps that came from either an IBM clone or an AEK. Those of us interested in LightCycle DSA are a niche of a niche.
If the Alps kit doesn't reach MOQ, then I'm just going to say f**k it and sell my KBP V60 mini.
I dropped a post in the Alps Appreciation thread just now. Maybe it'll find some traction with folks who (somehow) aren't yet aware this GB is back on and who recognize how cool this keycap set is.
I am in for an Alps set, but I don't think the other ~5 people that regularly post in the Appreciation Thread will too interested. I have an extra VE.A pcb I would like to do something with, but the Alps guys aren't really interested in flashy MX stuff.
Post by: zslane on Wed, 08 March 2017, 12:41:26
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 08 March 2017, 13:07:42
Post by: bmmcwhirt on Wed, 08 March 2017, 14:07:15
Post by: Kavik on Wed, 08 March 2017, 14:52:51
On top of this, my Matias V80's left arrow stopped working (no register followed by terrible, consistent chatter after reseating the cap), so I'm going to have to send it in for repair, which killed the mood for this set a little.
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 08 March 2017, 15:51:46
I will likely order the Alps base kit this weekend. This GB was reintroduced after I'd made a commitment not to make any more online purchases for a while, so I'll have to break my rule for this (M65-A and F77 both set me back quite a bit).
On top of this, my Matias V80's left arrow stopped working (no register followed by terrible, consistent chatter after reseating the cap), so I'm going to have to send it in for repair, which killed the mood for this set a little.
I've had chatter on a few keys on my V60. Just taking the switch apart and putting it back together fixed the issue for me. I think it has something to do with lube on the contact or just a misaligned contact inside the switch. A good re-seating is probably all it needs. Word of caution, they're a ***** to get back together :)
Post by: ipreferpie on Wed, 08 March 2017, 17:36:08
Post by: Kavik on Wed, 08 March 2017, 20:09:17
I will likely order the Alps base kit this weekend. This GB was reintroduced after I'd made a commitment not to make any more online purchases for a while, so I'll have to break my rule for this (M65-A and F77 both set me back quite a bit).
On top of this, my Matias V80's left arrow stopped working (no register followed by terrible, consistent chatter after reseating the cap), so I'm going to have to send it in for repair, which killed the mood for this set a little.
I've had chatter on a few keys on my V60. Just taking the switch apart and putting it back together fixed the issue for me. I think it has something to do with lube on the contact or just a misaligned contact inside the switch. A good re-seating is probably all it needs. Word of caution, they're a ***** to get back together :)
I just tried to take the switch apart, but it wasn't happening. I'm too afraid of breaking it, so I'm just going to use the warranty while I have it. I also noticed that the switch is looser than the other arrows, so it might not be soldered correctly (?). Probably an easy fix, but, if it's not, I'll void the warranty trying to fix it myself. The key works fine if I only push it half way down, so it's a bit like a double action key, ha.
Post by: zslane on Wed, 08 March 2017, 20:47:40
I must surely be missing something...
Post by: mustardgreens on Wed, 08 March 2017, 22:43:36
You know, it seems to me that since the base kit only provides two 1.5u bottom row modifier keys, it is only suitable for the KBP V60 mini, which is the only Alps-based board I know of that uses all 1.25u bottom row modifiers, and then you still end up with a whole lotta unused keys...
I must surely be missing something...
Keep in mind this set has Cherry stabs, so original Alps boards might not work without putting on cherry-style stabs anyway. I think it's more geared toward new custom boards with salvaged Alps switches, like Alpine Winter was.
Post by: zslane on Thu, 09 March 2017, 00:46:46
Post by: Kavik on Thu, 09 March 2017, 10:20:14
You might be right. But the set doesn't cover a brand new Matias board either.
That's a good point. The V80 has four 1.25u keys, but the actual Matias Tactile Pro has four 1.5u and two 1u keys on the bottom row. Are there any other modern commercial Alps/Matias brand boards out there?
Post by: skimzor on Thu, 09 March 2017, 11:09:29
Post by: zslane on Thu, 09 March 2017, 13:17:05
You might be right. But the set doesn't cover a brand new Matias board either.
That's a good point. The V80 has four 1.25u keys, but the actual Matias Tactile Pro has four 1.5u and two 1u keys on the bottom row. Are there any other modern commercial Alps/Matias brand boards out there?
None that I know of.
It's too bad KBParadise doesn't make a V100 with Matias switches.
Post by: eksuen on Thu, 09 March 2017, 14:09:31
You might be right. But the set doesn't cover a brand new Matias board either.
That's a good point. The V80 has four 1.25u keys, but the actual Matias Tactile Pro has four 1.5u and two 1u keys on the bottom row. Are there any other modern commercial Alps/Matias brand boards out there?
The base set should fit the Clueboard without any issues.
Post by: mustardgreens on Thu, 09 March 2017, 14:39:54
You might be right. But the set doesn't cover a brand new Matias board either.
That's a good point. The V80 has four 1.25u keys, but the actual Matias Tactile Pro has four 1.5u and two 1u keys on the bottom row. Are there any other modern commercial Alps/Matias brand boards out there?
The base set should fit the Clueboard without any issues.
Yup, and there's a guy on r/mk selling Alps VA68Ms; they'll fit too. Alps are more and more becoming an option for standard layouts.
Post by: zslane on Thu, 09 March 2017, 14:41:36
The base kit comes with base keys, function row keys, navcluster keys, and numpad keys. You would think it was intended to fit a full-size board, except there is none out there being made today with Matias/Alps switches that make use of an all-1.25u bottom row. Consequently, there is an unfortunate disconnect between the composition of the Alps-based LightCycle DSA base kit and the format of full-size boards it is intended to accommodate.
I didn't really notice this until I started considering getting a second Alps kit to put on a new full-size board (i.e., a Matias Quiet Pro).
Post by: eksuen on Thu, 09 March 2017, 15:13:55
The problem is with support for full-size Alps boards.
The base kit comes with base keys, function row keys, navcluster keys, and numpad keys. You would think it was intended to fit a full-size board, except there is none out there being made today with Matias/Alps switches that make use of an all-1.25u bottom row. Consequently, there is an unfortunate disconnect between the composition of the Alps-based LightCycle DSA base kit and the format of full-size boards it is intended to accommodate.
I didn't really notice this until I started considering getting a second Alps kit to put on a new full-size board (i.e., a Matias Quiet Pro).
You can build yourself a Cluepad to make use of the numpad keys.
I suspect the kits were designed to simultaneously be accessible to newer Alps boards (e.g. V60 and V80 MTS verisons) and older Alps boards (e.g. AEK's and the like). But as always, you can't please everyone. If more 1.5u mods were included, someone who only wants this set to put on a V60 may cry foul at having to pay for all the extra keys. On the other hand, excluding them alienates people looking to use this set for a nonstandard layout. Where does one draw the line? In any case, the compatibility kit solves that issue, albeit at cost and a separate MOQ (which of course more people will complain about).
Post by: MandrewDavis on Thu, 09 March 2017, 15:15:52
The problem is with support for full-size Alps boards.
The base kit comes with base keys, function row keys, navcluster keys, and numpad keys. You would think it was intended to fit a full-size board, except there is none out there being made today with Matias/Alps switches that make use of an all-1.25u bottom row. Consequently, there is an unfortunate disconnect between the composition of the Alps-based LightCycle DSA base kit and the format of full-size boards it is intended to accommodate.
I didn't really notice this until I started considering getting a second Alps kit to put on a new full-size board (i.e., a Matias Quiet Pro).
Glad I bought that 40% set that was on Massdrop.
Post by: zslane on Thu, 09 March 2017, 16:00:56
You can build yourself a Cluepad to make use of the numpad keys.
I suspect the kits were designed to simultaneously be accessible to newer Alps boards (e.g. V60 and V80 MTS verisons) and older Alps boards (e.g. AEK's and the like). But as always, you can't please everyone. If more 1.5u mods were included, someone who only wants this set to put on a V60 may cry foul at having to pay for all the extra keys. On the other hand, excluding them alienates people looking to use this set for a nonstandard layout. Where does one draw the line? In any case, the compatibility kit solves that issue, albeit at cost and a separate MOQ (which of course more people will complain about).
Yes, you're right about that. Kit composition is one of the hardest aspects of designing a set.
Now, normally a designer puts 1.25u bottom row modifiers in the base kit and rests peacefully, confident in the knowledge that it will make the vast majority of keyboard owners happy, and even be optimal for a good percentage of them. Unfortunately, the Alps keyboard situation is different; it seems to be split between small format keyboards with 1.25u bottom row modifiers and full-size boards (from Matias) with 1.5u bottom row modifiers. This situation ends up being optimal for absolutely nobody.
Ultimately I blame Matias for putting out boards with the wrong bottom row configuration. It's just a shame that LightCycle DSA doesn't address this peculiar situation, especially given that it is going to the trouble to provide (and make us pay for) keys for a full-size board. A full-size board in a configuration that doesn't really exist.
Reaching MOQ will be hard enough as it is; leaving all the Matias keyboard owners out in the cold unless they also pony up for the "compatibility" kit doesn't help much in that regard.
Post by: DuckNorris on Thu, 09 March 2017, 16:59:32
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 09 March 2017, 17:19:37
If everything goes well what would be the expected delivery date atleast to the person running this group buy?(http://puu.sh/uBRgS/716fc4f829.png)
From the order page
Post by: DuckNorris on Thu, 09 March 2017, 21:06:50
If everything goes well what would be the expected delivery date atleast to the person running this group buy?Show Image(http://puu.sh/uBRgS/716fc4f829.png)
From the order page
Arigato. For some reason I could not seem to find this when I looked around in their order page. Maybe my browser I don't know.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 10 March 2017, 00:06:01
Post by: evangs on Fri, 10 March 2017, 14:21:42
Could we please get an update on quantity of orders placed? I've purchased red dolch from MD just to be sure my build won't left without caps at all, but definitely would prefer this set.
current numbers
(http://i.imgur.com/eUcUHhp.png)
mx base is good to go, alps base is getting closer. moq is only 50
mx compat not doing too badly
alps compat is pretty far behind.
Post by: ac2531 on Fri, 10 March 2017, 14:39:32
Could we please get an update on quantity of orders placed? I've purchased red dolch from MD just to be sure my build won't left without caps at all, but definitely would prefer this set.
current numbersShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/eUcUHhp.png)
mx base is good to go, alps base is getting closer. moq is only 50
mx compat not doing too badly
alps compat is pretty far behind.
Is there a chance of having compat kits run at higher price points with a 25unit MOQ?
Post by: evangs on Fri, 10 March 2017, 14:47:12
Could we please get an update on quantity of orders placed? I've purchased red dolch from MD just to be sure my build won't left without caps at all, but definitely would prefer this set.
current numbersShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/eUcUHhp.png)
mx base is good to go, alps base is getting closer. moq is only 50
mx compat not doing too badly
alps compat is pretty far behind.
Is there a chance of having compat kits run at higher price points with a 25unit MOQ?
if it comes down to that we can see what's available. I can extend the buy if need be as well.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 10 March 2017, 15:49:48
Post by: mustardgreens on Fri, 10 March 2017, 16:24:51
Definitely would've joined for Alps, but then I realized the only Alps board I have has a weird layout: AEK bottom with some 1.25u caps. :-\
My kb has a standard layout. Would it be possible, from my excess keys, for me to send you the keys required to fit your AEK?
Post by: ipreferpie on Fri, 10 March 2017, 16:24:51
Could we please get an update on quantity of orders placed? I've purchased red dolch from MD just to be sure my build won't left without caps at all, but definitely would prefer this set.
current numbersShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/eUcUHhp.png)
mx base is good to go, alps base is getting closer. moq is only 50
mx compat not doing too badly
alps compat is pretty far behind.
Is there a chance of having compat kits run at higher price points with a 25unit MOQ?
if it comes down to that we can see what's available. I can extend the buy if need be as well.
Good to hear! I'm down for paying a higher amount for the Alps base and compatibility kit myself. I'm down for 2 each no matter what
Post by: zslane on Fri, 10 March 2017, 16:33:48
Definitely would've joined for Alps, but then I realized the only Alps board I have has a weird layout: AEK bottom with some 1.25u caps. :-\
My kb has a standard layout. Would it be possible, from my excess keys, for me to send you the keys required to fit your AEK?
Hey, that gives me an idea. Once this set is delivered, maybe we could start a collection of unused 1.5u HACK and DISK keycaps. These could be doled out to needy Matias keyboard owners (who only ordered the base kit) on a first-come-first-serve basis.
Post by: ac2531 on Fri, 10 March 2017, 19:53:23
Definitely would've joined for Alps, but then I realized the only Alps board I have has a weird layout: AEK bottom with some 1.25u caps. :-\
My kb has a standard layout. Would it be possible, from my excess keys, for me to send you the keys required to fit your AEK?
Hey, that gives me an idea. Once this set is delivered, maybe we could start a collection of unused 1.5u HACK and DISK keycaps. These could be doled out to needy Matias keyboard owners (who only ordered the base kit) on a first-come-first-serve basis.
I'd be down to sell caps that I don't need from the MX compatibility kit as well.
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Post by: romevi on Fri, 10 March 2017, 20:05:36
Post by: zslane on Fri, 10 March 2017, 22:41:53
I think there are going to be a lot of Alps LightCycle numpads up for sale come June...
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sat, 11 March 2017, 02:38:50
Definitely would've joined for Alps, but then I realized the only Alps board I have has a weird layout: AEK bottom with some 1.25u caps. :-\
There might be an Alps Custom 60% coming up in the second half of the year after some more testing was done. Though MX will run first and the IC won't start until a sample came in. ;)
Post by: mustardgreens on Sat, 11 March 2017, 14:35:12
IIRC (correct me if I'm wrong) the 1st Lightcycle GB was cancelled because the Compat kits didn't meet MOQ and those potential cancellations made the core sets not hit MOQ either. I really hope we can reach the Alps minimum order; I wonder if there's somewhere we can promote this...
Post by: zslane on Sat, 11 March 2017, 14:39:10
I just don't think very many Alps fans like DSA keycaps. If they're going to spend over $100 for keycaps they're invariably going to want Cherry profile.
I don't know why. Cherry profile is lame. :p
Post by: MandrewDavis on Sat, 11 March 2017, 14:45:26
Oh man, I'm getting nervous for Alps.
IIRC (correct me if I'm wrong) the 1st Lightcycle GB was cancelled because the Compat kits didn't meet MOQ and those potential cancellations made the core sets not hit MOQ either. I really hope we can reach the Alps minimum order; I wonder if there's somewhere we can promote this...
In the previous GB, the kits were broken up into numpad, base and compatibility kits. The problem was not hitting MOQ, there was some type of price quote error or miscommunication between Evangs and Signature Plastics so everyone was refunded.
Post by: dante on Sat, 11 March 2017, 15:08:57
I just don't think very many Alps fans like DSA keycaps. If they're going to spend over $100 for keycaps they're invariably going to want Cherry profile.
I like Alps and DSA but I don't like how fragile the stems are. If these were priced like $20 Tao Hao's that's one thing. It takes a lot of courage (and a deep wallet) to take a chance on this.
Post by: zslane on Sat, 11 March 2017, 15:32:33
But name even one other spherical keycap set I can put on my KBP V60 mini?
Without a spherical set, my mini is useless to me.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sat, 11 March 2017, 15:41:48
Post by: zslane on Sat, 11 March 2017, 16:37:21
ALPS flat spherical?
Where do they come from? Are you talking about harvesting them from some old board?
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sat, 11 March 2017, 17:15:54
Post by: zslane on Sat, 11 March 2017, 20:19:28
Post by: evangs on Sun, 12 March 2017, 03:05:39
Right. So for all intents and purposes there are no spherical keycaps available to put on my mini. LightCycle DSA is my only prospect.
then we better just make it tip XD I'll be buying a few sets myself so lets just keep reminding every alps user that they need this set.
Post by: daaawooo on Sun, 12 March 2017, 17:24:18
Think of it this way: your ErgoDox was only half a keyboard without the right keycaps. It is only natural to spend another $100-150 on the other half...
if an ergodox (infinity) is only $100-150 ?
then I would have "another half of money" left to spend for the right keycaps, but the right keycaps are also $270+ instead of $100-150.
for us Germans a DIY ergodox infinity KIT is about 283 EUR (~ US$302) with S&H, tax/customs fees, creditcard foreign fee, ...
ok, I had the chance not order the blank black DSA caps at MD and save $50 and sitting on a useless keyboard w/o keycaps ?
sorry for venting ...
@Evan, yes I read you making only 2-4 bucks per kit. SP has no real competition.
Post by: evangs on Sun, 12 March 2017, 18:13:19
Think of it this way: your ErgoDox was only half a keyboard without the right keycaps. It is only natural to spend another $100-150 on the other half...
if an ergodox (infinity) is only $100-150 ?
then I would have "another half of money" left to spend for the right keycaps, but the right keycaps are also $270+ instead of $100-150.
for us Germans a DIY ergodox infinity KIT is about 283 EUR (~ US$302) with S&H, tax/customs fees, creditcard foreign fee, ...
ok, I had the chance not order the blank black DSA caps at MD and save $50 and sitting on a useless keyboard w/o keycaps ?
sorry for venting ...
@Evan, yes I read you making only 2-4 bucks per kit. SP has no real competition.
It's pretty disgusting. I'm likely only going to be running GMK for a while.
Post by: zslane on Sun, 12 March 2017, 18:23:07
Think of it this way: your ErgoDox was only half a keyboard without the right keycaps. It is only natural to spend another $100-150 on the other half...
if an ergodox (infinity) is only $100-150 ?
then I would have "another half of money" left to spend for the right keycaps, but the right keycaps are also $270+ instead of $100-150.
Maybe it depends on the keyset you buy? The cost for an SA Dasher set for an ISO DE ErgoDox was $147. And it was only $100 is you were using an ANSI board (yes, being part of a tiny EU consumer base added a $47 premium). I don't think $100-150 is out of the ballpark for an ErgoDox set.
Post by: daaawooo on Sun, 12 March 2017, 19:08:21
Maybe it depends on the keyset you buy? The cost for an SA Dasher set for an ISO DE ErgoDox was $147. And it was only $100 is you were using an ANSI board (yes, being part of a tiny EU consumer base added a $47 premium). I don't think $100-150 is out of the ballpark for an ErgoDox set.but SA Dasher is MX stem only (and I ordered it, also have some MX boards)
yes even up to 200 would be ok for an ALPS ergodox set.
mmh, if someone selling me a 200h keycap I can go with only the BASE kit for an ergodox, if I use some of the 125 for the 150 ... or even use the a 175 as the fourth 200h ?
but it may look ugly.
best practice would be: selling all my non-MX, non-60% stuff ... so then keycaps come cheap ... just about 90-100 EUR per set to populate a 60%
Post by: zslane on Mon, 13 March 2017, 12:36:07
Yeah, Alps makes everything more expensive. Worse, custom keycaps for Alps is almost a non-existent product category! It is the primary reason why I have adamantly avoided Alps switches. And I strongly suggest that anyone else who likes to customize their keycaps, or prefers sphericals like I do, simply avoid Alps switches all together and spare themselves the misery.
My KBP V60 mini was a low-cost experiment to see how Matias tactiles felt. The switches are pretty nice, but 1. they are quite wobbly, 2. without LightCycle DSA they are worthless to me, and 3. they can't hold a candle to silenced Topre switches. Consequently, I don't think I'll buy another Alps-based keyboard ever again.
Post by: mustardgreens on Mon, 13 March 2017, 22:11:50
Ah, right, I was speaking about MX. Apologies for (my) confusion.
Yeah, Alps makes everything more expensive. Worse, custom keycaps for Alps is almost a non-existent product category! It is the primary reason why I have adamantly avoided Alps switches. And I strongly suggest that anyone else who likes to customize their keycaps, or prefers sphericals like I do, simply avoid Alps switches all together and spare themselves the misery.
My KBP V60 mini was a low-cost experiment to see how Matias tactiles felt. The switches are pretty nice, but 1. they are quite wobbly, 2. without LightCycle DSA they are worthless to me, and 3. they can't hold a candle to silenced Topre switches. Consequently, I don't think I'll buy another Alps-based keyboard ever again.
This is how I feel, but I'd also add:
4. The actuation point on Matias is very low. Which means if I want to add o-rings to shorten the key travel, the actuation point will be even closer to the bottom of the keypress.
There is a forum post by E. Matias out there where he defends the wobble:
Quote
[10/12/2013 22:36:42] Wellington Diesel: but anyways, why's there so much wobbling with your switches?
[10/12/2013 22:36:51] Wellington Diesel: I mean, the keycaps wobble a lot if you try to move them
[10/12/2013 22:37:23] Edgar Matias: it prevents them from catching if you press the key off-centre
[10/12/2013 22:37:43] Edgar Matias: wobble is your friend
[10/12/2013 22:37:50] Wellington Diesel: hmm... nice to know :)
[10/12/2013 22:38:07] Wellington Diesel: I just don't want to make some pre-concepts about something that's actually positive
[10/12/2013 22:38:27] Edgar Matias: yeah, never understood why there's so much hate on the wobble
[10/12/2013 22:38:37] Edgar Matias: probably just lack of awareness
What garbage! The whole point of having custom switches is for typing comfort and personal preference. If people don't like the wobble, that's reason in itself that it's a drawback for those users. End of story.
The fact that Alps need wobble to make the click leaf work is not a feature. It's a drawback.
Anyway, I really want to give my Alps board a shot, because I've already spent about $300 on it, and the Matias force curve looks closest to a buckling spring than anything I've seen. I would like to mod the switches with heavier springs though.
Until then... Lightcycle, please happen...
Post by: Sparkyman215 on Tue, 14 March 2017, 08:16:25
Post by: MandrewDavis on Tue, 14 March 2017, 09:53:27
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 14 March 2017, 10:51:45
I feel that if more people were aware that this was up and running once more the orders for those would perk up a fair bit - given that the Planck is currently dropping on MD with Matias switches as an option, the Preonic/Subatomic are to follow and assuming they also will be having Alps compatible plates I can't help but think that if more people were in the know about this they'd be jumping at the chance of getting an amazing looking, custom set of matias compatible caps for their future boards. I'm even considering getting a set myself on top of my MX one even though I won't be getting my ortholinears with Matias, future-proof purchases are some of the better ones anyone can make.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Tue, 14 March 2017, 11:47:03
Post by: zslane on Tue, 14 March 2017, 12:18:31
I feel that if more people were aware that this was up and running once more the orders for those would perk up a fair bit...
No doubt!
The real question is, how do we make more people aware of this GB? All the usual channels have been informed...multiple times.
Post by: dante on Tue, 14 March 2017, 12:37:59
There is a forum post by E. Matias out there where he defends the wobble:Quote[10/12/2013 22:36:42] Wellington Diesel: but anyways, why's there so much wobbling with your switches?
[10/12/2013 22:36:51] Wellington Diesel: I mean, the keycaps wobble a lot if you try to move them
[10/12/2013 22:37:23] Edgar Matias: it prevents them from catching if you press the key off-centre
[10/12/2013 22:37:43] Edgar Matias: wobble is your friend
[10/12/2013 22:37:50] Wellington Diesel: hmm... nice to know :)
[10/12/2013 22:38:07] Wellington Diesel: I just don't want to make some pre-concepts about something that's actually positive
[10/12/2013 22:38:27] Edgar Matias: yeah, never understood why there's so much hate on the wobble
[10/12/2013 22:38:37] Edgar Matias: probably just lack of awareness
What garbage! The whole point of having custom switches is for typing comfort and personal preference. If people don't like the wobble, that's reason in itself that it's a drawback for those users. End of story.
The fact that Alps need wobble to make the click leaf work is not a feature. It's a drawback.
Per Matias he is retooling the current switches for less wobble:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65528.msg2368973#msg2368973
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 14 March 2017, 12:58:38
I feel that if more people were aware that this was up and running once more the orders for those would perk up a fair bit...
No doubt!
The real question is, how do we make more people aware of this GB? All the usual channels have been informed...multiple times.
Yea that is the question is it not. I wouldn't know how to personally, I don't frequent any other enthusiast boards asides GH and Massdrop, I just hope people see this in time - 1000 Planck orders in like 24 hours, surely some of those are bound to me Alps, those always run out really quickly when they're offered in V60 form, etc.
Post by: zslane on Tue, 14 March 2017, 14:22:08
Post by: zslane on Tue, 14 March 2017, 14:24:41
Per Matias he is retooling the current switches for less wobble:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65528.msg2368973#msg2368973
I guess he couldn't convince the marketplace that wobble was their friend after all.
In any case, I won't be investing in another Alps-based board given the lack of spherical keycap options. Reduced slider wobble can't compensate for that.
Post by: ac2531 on Tue, 14 March 2017, 14:25:21
If only there was a way to inform MassDrop members of a related non-MassDrop group buy...
Would it be frowned-upon to simply link the GB page on Massdrop's discussion tab for the Plank but?
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Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Tue, 14 March 2017, 15:48:31
Post by: mustardgreens on Tue, 14 March 2017, 16:20:10
Quote
Per Matias he is retooling the current switches for less wobble:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65528.msg2368973#msg2368973
Ahahaha oh wow. Thanks for the info! It's good news, and is another excuse for me to desolder and resolder my alps board, I guess.
Completely off topic but is it easy to mod alps switches with custom springs like we do with Cherry?
Post by: Blazestorm on Tue, 14 March 2017, 16:24:31
Also if the new switches have the same top-half housing/slider, you might be able to just pop them open and swap without desoldering. I don't know how much they're changing...
Post by: MandrewDavis on Tue, 14 March 2017, 16:34:28
I think you could, you can already modify Matias/Alps switches without desoldering. I'm not sure if the springs are the same dimensions as Cherry springs though, so you might need a different source of springs, but something to try out.
Also if the new switches have the same top-half housing/slider, you might be able to just pop them open and swap without desoldering. I don't know how much they're changing...
SPRiT (24k gold) springs for Alps can be had from LeandreN's store, Mekanisk.co and MrBishop has published files for his very nifty Alps switch opener.
Not sure how interchangable different generations of Alps-based switches are though.
Post by: Kavik on Tue, 14 March 2017, 21:47:57
Post by: evangs on Wed, 15 March 2017, 17:36:31
base alps - 34
int/compat mx - 28
int/compat alps - 11
What kind of options would ya'll like to see in the event that a kit your ordered doesn't reach moq?
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 15 March 2017, 17:47:13
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 15 March 2017, 17:48:18
base mx - 118
base alps - 34
int/compat mx - 28
int/compat alps - 11
What kind of options would ya'll like to see in the event that a kit your ordered doesn't reach moq?
Damn, ALPS is not gonna happen.
Refund, actually. Not interested in MX, got too much of them already.
Same, only one order other than myself after the last update :(
Post by: zslane on Wed, 15 March 2017, 18:02:23
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 15 March 2017, 18:03:38
Post by: zslane on Wed, 15 March 2017, 18:39:48
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 15 March 2017, 18:47:18
Post by: Kavik on Wed, 15 March 2017, 19:09:30
I vote for running the group buy until both base kits reach MOQ. Then decide what to do for the int/compat kits at that time.
I am ok with this as well. I would rather have this set later than a refund. I basically bought my Matias V80 to go with this set. Maybe post on /r/mk again to get some visibility there again (since stuff doesn't stay on the front page very long).
If it really comes down to it, I wouldn't mind paying a little bit extra if it doesn't reach MOQ, but only if it's not too crazy of a price increase.
Post by: gadzkun on Wed, 15 March 2017, 21:19:34
base mx - 118
base alps - 34
int/compat mx - 28
int/compat alps - 11
What kind of options would ya'll like to see in the event that a kit your ordered doesn't reach moq?
Damn, ALPS is not gonna happen.
Refund, actually. Not interested in MX, got too much of them already.
Same, only one order other than myself after the last update :(
i only ordered alps too, so if its not reached MOQ i think i want a refund.
I vote for running the group buy until both base kits reach MOQ. Then decide what to do for the int/compat kits at that time.
this please! alps need moar love :-*
Post by: ac2531 on Wed, 15 March 2017, 21:20:25
base mx - 118
base alps - 34
int/compat mx - 28
int/compat alps - 11
What kind of options would ya'll like to see in the event that a kit your ordered doesn't reach moq?
How much would the price go up if the compat kits ran at a MOQ of 25 or 30? I'd be fine with paying a little more to get the caps I need for my layout.
Post by: evangs on Wed, 15 March 2017, 22:03:40
base mx - 118
base alps - 34
int/compat mx - 28
int/compat alps - 11
What kind of options would ya'll like to see in the event that a kit your ordered doesn't reach moq?
How much would the price go up if the compat kits ran at a MOQ of 25 or 30? I'd be fine with paying a little more to get the caps I need for my layout.
Let's get it to moq. I am fine running longer and actually I can close the MX on time and just have the alps stay open as SP treats them as separate orders anyway
Post by: bmmcwhirt on Wed, 15 March 2017, 22:16:26
base mx - 118
base alps - 34
int/compat mx - 28
int/compat alps - 11
What kind of options would ya'll like to see in the event that a kit your ordered doesn't reach moq?
How much would the price go up if the compat kits ran at a MOQ of 25 or 30? I'd be fine with paying a little more to get the caps I need for my layout.
Let's get it to moq. I am fine running longer and actually I can close the MX on time and just have the alps stay open as SP treats them as separate orders anyway
I don't have alps hardware so I'm not a concerned party, but I did want to say thank you and commend you for your dedication to get the people what they want. You are honorable and have my respect. I will try to spread the word more about the ALPS but unfortunately everyone I know is already in on this buy, but I will do what I can. Again thank you.
Post by: ac2531 on Wed, 15 March 2017, 22:21:36
base mx - 118
base alps - 34
int/compat mx - 28
int/compat alps - 11
What kind of options would ya'll like to see in the event that a kit your ordered doesn't reach moq?
How much would the price go up if the compat kits ran at a MOQ of 25 or 30? I'd be fine with paying a little more to get the caps I need for my layout.
Let's get it to moq. I am fine running longer and actually I can close the MX on time and just have the alps stay open as SP treats them as separate orders anyway
I understand that getting it to MOQ is the optimal solution, and I'm not trying to be combative, but this does little to answer my question.
I'm exclusively interested in MX, and I need the compat kit for full legend coverage with my layout. Using blanks/mismatching legends isn't a solution that I'm particularly fond of - is submitting an order at a higher price/lower MOQ even a possibility?
Post by: evangs on Wed, 15 March 2017, 22:27:33
base mx - 118
base alps - 34
int/compat mx - 28
int/compat alps - 11
What kind of options would ya'll like to see in the event that a kit your ordered doesn't reach moq?
How much would the price go up if the compat kits ran at a MOQ of 25 or 30? I'd be fine with paying a little more to get the caps I need for my layout.
Let's get it to moq. I am fine running longer and actually I can close the MX on time and just have the alps stay open as SP treats them as separate orders anyway
I understand that getting it to MOQ is the optimal solution, and I'm not trying to be combative, but this does little to answer my question.
I'm exclusively interested in MX, and I need the compat kit for full legend coverage with my layout. Using blanks/mismatching legends isn't a solution that I'm particularly fond of - is submitting an order at a higher price/lower MOQ even a possibility?
I can check but it will be quite a bit higher. I want each kit to make it and if it makes sense to keep orders open longer I'll do it. MX compat isn't too far off
Post by: ac2531 on Wed, 15 March 2017, 22:29:36
base mx - 118
base alps - 34
int/compat mx - 28
int/compat alps - 11
What kind of options would ya'll like to see in the event that a kit your ordered doesn't reach moq?
How much would the price go up if the compat kits ran at a MOQ of 25 or 30? I'd be fine with paying a little more to get the caps I need for my layout.
Let's get it to moq. I am fine running longer and actually I can close the MX on time and just have the alps stay open as SP treats them as separate orders anyway
I understand that getting it to MOQ is the optimal solution, and I'm not trying to be combative, but this does little to answer my question.
I'm exclusively interested in MX, and I need the compat kit for full legend coverage with my layout. Using blanks/mismatching legends isn't a solution that I'm particularly fond of - is submitting an order at a higher price/lower MOQ even a possibility?
I can check but it will be quite a bit higher. I want each kit to make it and if it makes sense to keep orders open longer I'll do it. MX compat isn't too far off
Again, I'm not trying to be combative here, and I'm speaking from a place of complete ignorance with how running a group buy works.
At least for me, I'm fine with paying more to get the full compat kit if we can't get a 50 MOQ. It goes without saying that I'd be 100% fine with waiting a few more weeks for the kit to tip if that's the route you'd prefer to take.
Post by: ipreferpie on Thu, 16 March 2017, 00:10:09
base mx - 118
base alps - 34
int/compat mx - 28
int/compat alps - 11
What kind of options would ya'll like to see in the event that a kit your ordered doesn't reach moq?
How much would the price go up if the compat kits ran at a MOQ of 25 or 30? I'd be fine with paying a little more to get the caps I need for my layout.
Let's get it to moq. I am fine running longer and actually I can close the MX on time and just have the alps stay open as SP treats them as separate orders anyway
I understand that getting it to MOQ is the optimal solution, and I'm not trying to be combative, but this does little to answer my question.
I'm exclusively interested in MX, and I need the compat kit for full legend coverage with my layout. Using blanks/mismatching legends isn't a solution that I'm particularly fond of - is submitting an order at a higher price/lower MOQ even a possibility?
I can check but it will be quite a bit higher. I want each kit to make it and if it makes sense to keep orders open longer I'll do it. MX compat isn't too far off
Again, I'm not trying to be combative here, and I'm speaking from a place of complete ignorance with how running a group buy works.
At least for me, I'm fine with paying more to get the full compat kit if we can't get a 50 MOQ. It goes without saying that I'd be 100% fine with waiting a few more weeks for the kit to tip if that's the route you'd prefer to take.
+1 on both waiting or paying more for ALPS base and compatibility kits. Really want this to happen!
Post by: Blazestorm on Thu, 16 March 2017, 03:17:17
Post by: hhkbp2 on Thu, 16 March 2017, 06:14:13
Post by: evangs on Thu, 16 March 2017, 08:12:36
Are we sure that the MX base and int/compact kits are going to happen?
MX base is already good to go. Compat has a bit to go yet but is over halfway.
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 16 March 2017, 08:27:34
Are we sure that the MX base and int/compact kits are going to happen?
MX base is already good to go. Compat has a bit to go yet but is over halfway.
So, if the compatibility kits don't tip, does that mean a refund for those who bought one?
Post by: evangs on Thu, 16 March 2017, 08:49:37
Are we sure that the MX base and int/compact kits are going to happen?
MX base is already good to go. Compat has a bit to go yet but is over halfway.
So, if the compatibility kits don't tip, does that mean a refund for those who bought one?
Yes. Currently I am going to keep the buy open until MX compat and alps base both tip. Alps compat will need to see big numbers in that time if there is hope for that set.
Now for some real life photos of the set
https://imgur.com/a/xJ8mt (https://imgur.com/a/xJ8mt)
Post by: mustardgreens on Thu, 16 March 2017, 08:54:41
MX set blew away the minimum order quanity by more than double and they won't produce an alps set that's lacking only 10 pieces? Come on, SP. Do it for the community and your loyal customers who buy your products again and again.
I understand they're grossing $154 per set... that's about $23,000.00 gross for 150 units on lightcycle alone, yet they would refuse it at 40 moq?
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 16 March 2017, 09:01:23
Post by: dante on Thu, 16 March 2017, 09:03:10
So Compatibility needs to get to 50 MOQ, then?
Uh oh, I know what you're thinking. :D
Post by: evangs on Thu, 16 March 2017, 09:17:47
So Compatibility needs to get to 50 MOQ, then?
That is correct
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 16 March 2017, 09:19:29
So Compatibility needs to get to 50 MOQ, then?
Uh oh, I know what you're thinking. :D
Yeah, that I hope it won't be too long of a wait...(my interest and purchase in the GB is strictly personal unlike what others may think :p)
Post by: ac2531 on Thu, 16 March 2017, 09:20:24
So Compatibility needs to get to 50 MOQ, then?
Uh oh, I know what you're thinking. :D
If he's thinking what I think you think he's thinking... ;D
Post by: Blazestorm on Thu, 16 March 2017, 11:23:21
Yes. Currently I am going to keep the buy open until MX compat and alps base both tip. Alps compat will need to see big numbers in that time if there is hope for that set.
Now for some real life photos of the set
https://imgur.com/a/xJ8mt (https://imgur.com/a/xJ8mt)
You mentioned somewhere that SP treats Alps and MX as separate, so you can submit the MX order separate from the Alps.
This means you're going to hold MX until compat hits MOQ and submit the MX. So you would be delaying past 3/17/2017.
I kind of want to get in on MX too, but want to know if I have more time or not =)
Post by: evangs on Thu, 16 March 2017, 11:29:32
Yes. Currently I am going to keep the buy open until MX compat and alps base both tip. Alps compat will need to see big numbers in that time if there is hope for that set.
Now for some real life photos of the set
https://imgur.com/a/xJ8mt (https://imgur.com/a/xJ8mt)
You mentioned somewhere that SP treats Alps and MX as separate, so you can submit the MX order separate from the Alps.
This means you're going to hold MX until compat hits MOQ and submit the MX. So you would be delaying past 3/17/2017.
I kind of want to get in on MX too, but want to know if I have more time or not =)
It's staying open for probably a couple weeks at least.
Post by: child on Thu, 16 March 2017, 13:03:19
It's staying open for probably a couple weeks at least.
Does this mean later delivery of MX base?
Post by: zslane on Thu, 16 March 2017, 13:05:32
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 16 March 2017, 13:25:30
Judging from the price jump between quantity 50 and quantity 25 for some of the Dasher kits, I would expect the price of the int/compat kit to be at least $150 at MOQ 25.
If necessary, assuming you are talking about MX, I wouldn't mind chipping in a little extra to make it happen. This is my end game set anyways.
Post by: zslane on Thu, 16 March 2017, 13:58:27
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 16 March 2017, 14:37:55
Post by: hhkbp2 on Thu, 16 March 2017, 23:48:00
Are we sure that the MX base and int/compact kits are going to happen?
MX base is already good to go. Compat has a bit to go yet but is over halfway.
So, if the compatibility kits don't tip, does that mean a refund for those who bought one?
Yes. Currently I am going to keep the buy open until MX compat and alps base both tip. Alps compat will need to see big numbers in that time if there is hope for that set.
Now for some real life photos of the set
https://imgur.com/a/xJ8mt (https://imgur.com/a/xJ8mt)
The time extension is appreciated. I hope that every kits are going to happen at the end.
If the MX int/compact kit fails to happen later. I would like to have the chance to canceled my order of the MX base too.
Post by: odd on Sun, 19 March 2017, 22:06:34
Now I have a conundrum. A nice one, but still.
I have Lightcycle from the MD drop. I didn't get the board then; can't quite remember what I was thinking, but I did get the caps, thinking that I would end up with a Van at some point.
And I did go in for one of those uberclassy nickel-finish beasts. But before that, I also went in for the Roadkit.
So now, for a truly swank (or at least matching) setup, I suppose I should sell someone the MD drop kit and order this, so numpad keys are available.
Or is there a chance that a numpad kit might be available some day?
I'll buy that old set from you when you are ready to sell it, just send me a PM when you are ready
Post by: CursorTN on Mon, 20 March 2017, 21:08:27
Post by: evangs on Tue, 21 March 2017, 09:47:26
Post by: ac2531 on Tue, 21 March 2017, 09:49:15
Buy is running to the end of month and every kit is going to be produced!
AWESOME! That's great news.
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 21 March 2017, 10:39:03
Buy is running to the end of month and every kit is going to be produced!
^ This guy is awesome!
Post by: bmmcwhirt on Wed, 22 March 2017, 20:46:44
Buy is running to the end of month and every kit is going to be produced!
^ This guy is awesome!
Totally agree!
Post by: Shados on Thu, 23 March 2017, 05:59:08
Post by: ibakey on Sun, 26 March 2017, 01:25:37
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 26 March 2017, 02:16:54
Post by: ibakey on Sun, 26 March 2017, 02:19:54
I would think with only the base set that comes with the 2U space bar would sufficeWill this be planck compatible? very very tempted
With both sets purchased the answer is yes.
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Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 26 March 2017, 03:07:18
Post by: Kavik on Mon, 27 March 2017, 14:40:30
Buy is running to the end of month and every kit is going to be produced!
Just curious: I assume this pushes the estimated ship date from May 31st to mid-June, correct?
Post by: zslane on Mon, 27 March 2017, 15:36:45
Buy is running to the end of month and every kit is going to be produced!
Just curious: I assume this pushes the estimated ship date from May 31st to mid-June, correct?
It's funny; I was wondering this very same thing this morning.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Mon, 27 March 2017, 17:38:14
Post by: evangs on Mon, 27 March 2017, 18:19:15
Buy is running to the end of month and every kit is going to be produced!
Just curious: I assume this pushes the estimated ship date from May 31st to mid-June, correct?
Maybe. I added some buffer so this could potentially still ship on time
Post by: zslane on Mon, 27 March 2017, 19:23:19
Post by: evangs on Mon, 27 March 2017, 19:38:43
Honestly though, I'm just grateful it is running at all. I don't mind waiting a little longer if that's what it takes to make it happen. Hell, I will have waited 2.5 years for my Round 6 Honeywell caps; this is nothing...
don't remind me about round 6. I'm in phase two still hoping those happen.
Post by: zslane on Mon, 27 March 2017, 20:04:44
Post by: Loffeno on Mon, 27 March 2017, 20:14:27
Post by: Kavik on Mon, 27 March 2017, 22:27:01
Buy is running to the end of month and every kit is going to be produced!
Just curious: I assume this pushes the estimated ship date from May 31st to mid-June, correct?
Maybe. I added some buffer so this could potentially still ship on time
Awesome! I'm with Zslane; not super concerned with timing. I was just curious. Just glad this is happening.
Post by: E.E.L. Ambiense on Thu, 30 March 2017, 19:41:38
Edit: meant to say great job on the set, man. She's gorgeous.
Post by: evangs on Fri, 31 March 2017, 07:25:36
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 31 March 2017, 07:36:38
Post by: evangs on Fri, 31 March 2017, 08:03:59
How do the numbers look?
Everything is running :)
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 31 March 2017, 08:32:15
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 31 March 2017, 09:35:43
How do the numbers look?
Everything is running :)
Oh, I know you said that. I was just wondering about the numbers. But no worries :) :thumb:
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 31 March 2017, 11:26:22
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 31 March 2017, 12:37:55
I just found out this was running again. Any reason why the cost is so much higher this go-around? Just lower order numbers?
No, SP raised their costs to him. He's making pretty much nothing on this- just wants to get it done. My supposition with the Round 6 debacle, and changes in their policies is that they don't want to deal with individuals for group buys anymore. But that's just my supposition.
Post by: zslane on Fri, 31 March 2017, 12:51:14
I just found out this was running again. Any reason why the cost is so much higher this go-around? Just lower order numbers?
No, SP raised their costs to him. He's making pretty much nothing on this- just wants to get it done. My supposition with the Round 6 debacle, and changes in their policies is that they don't want to deal with individuals for group buys anymore. But that's just my supposition.
SP doesn't add a premium just because a set is being run by an individual. The cost is representative of the size and complexity of the kits, and these are large kits with custom legends at very low quantities. The prices are different from before because the kits are different from before (and the previous prices were just plain wrong after the kits were restructured post-quote).
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 31 March 2017, 13:10:01
I just found out this was running again. Any reason why the cost is so much higher this go-around? Just lower order numbers?
No, SP raised their costs to him. He's making pretty much nothing on this- just wants to get it done. My supposition with the Round 6 debacle, and changes in their policies is that they don't want to deal with individuals for group buys anymore. But that's just my supposition.
SP doesn't add a premium just because a set is being run by an individual. The cost is representative of the size and complexity of the kits, and these are large kits with custom legends at very low quantities. The prices are different from before because the kits are different from before (and the previous prices were just plain wrong after the kits were restructured post-quote).
Thats not what evangs said.
Post by: zslane on Fri, 31 March 2017, 13:27:28
The new GB is based on just two kits which are different from the selection of kits from before, including more novelty keys than before (e.g., there are more 1.25u novelty keys than last time).
Post by: PlasticSporkz on Fri, 31 March 2017, 15:45:29
Will this support 1800 and 75% layout? As a Dolch-themed fans, I will surely join if so.
Thanks
yes it will
Does the base set cover 1800 or does it require Int set as well?
Post by: evangs on Fri, 31 March 2017, 15:50:31
Will this support 1800 and 75% layout? As a Dolch-themed fans, I will surely join if so.
Thanks
yes it will
Does the base set cover 1800 or does it require Int set as well?
I believe the base covers 1800
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 31 March 2017, 16:30:13
My understanding is that evangs got a quote from SP and then split up the kits assuming that he could just divide the original price proportionally between them, which turned out to be woefully incorrect. The price of the secondary kit was so high that it jeopardized the viability of the base kit, and so the whole GB had to be scrapped.
The new GB is based on just two kits which are different from the selection of kits from before, including more novelty keys than before (e.g., there are more 1.25u novelty keys than last time).
But earlier, he'd said they quoted him a lot higher price, outside of the norm of this set. But he'd have to speak to that, unless someone remembers where the thread is.
Post by: PlasticSporkz on Fri, 31 March 2017, 17:04:22
Will this support 1800 and 75% layout? As a Dolch-themed fans, I will surely join if so.
Thanks
yes it will
Does the base set cover 1800 or does it require Int set as well?
I believe the base covers 1800
Im not seeing a 1u left windows, 1u right alt, 1u right ctrl and 1.25 right FN in the base set.
Post by: zenuty on Fri, 31 March 2017, 17:26:17
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 31 March 2017, 17:28:52
Awesome I love sky color with darkgray ! :)
HOLY **** YOU'RE ALIVE
Post by: nightdriver on Fri, 31 March 2017, 21:07:58
Post by: poolside on Sat, 01 April 2017, 01:56:02
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 01 April 2017, 06:24:13
Awesome I love sky color with darkgray ! :)
!!!! Welcome back!
Post by: Blazestorm on Sat, 01 April 2017, 12:27:09
Im not seeing a 1u left windows, 1u right alt, 1u right ctrl and 1.25 right FN in the base set.
I think he means just use novelties/extras to fill those.
Post by: 00zeRO on Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:56:09
Post by: chuckdee on Mon, 01 May 2017, 12:09:41
Sorry if this was covered, do we have a relative ETA?
Quote
4-4-2017 Order Placed with Signature Plastics. estimated completion in 10 weeks
from: https://thevankeyboards.com/products/lightcycle-keycap-set?variant=34315776526
Post by: Kavik on Mon, 01 May 2017, 12:26:27
Sorry if this was covered, do we have a relative ETA?
Buy is running to the end of month and every kit is going to be produced!
Just curious: I assume this pushes the estimated ship date from May 31st to mid-June, correct?
Maybe. I added some buffer so this could potentially still ship on time
This was the last I heard. I assume that's still accurate.
Post by: evangs on Mon, 01 May 2017, 12:39:43
Sorry if this was covered, do we have a relative ETA?Buy is running to the end of month and every kit is going to be produced!
Just curious: I assume this pushes the estimated ship date from May 31st to mid-June, correct?
Maybe. I added some buffer so this could potentially still ship on time
This is still accurate.
This was the last I heard. I assume that's still accurate.
Post by: TheDisappointingGatsby on Fri, 26 May 2017, 10:24:45
Post by: ac2531 on Fri, 26 May 2017, 10:35:59
Is anyone still alive in here? This thread is too quiet!
I keep checking back, hoping that Evan has the caps. SoonTM!
Post by: E.E.L. Ambiense on Fri, 26 May 2017, 10:42:36
Post by: ac2531 on Fri, 26 May 2017, 10:44:02
When I don't think about it, time flies faster.
Same, fam. Same.
Post by: Kavik on Fri, 26 May 2017, 13:01:07
Is anyone still alive in here? This thread is too quiet!
I've been checking back occasionally, but I didn't want to bother Evangs. I figure the information he's provided is accurate, and, if anything changes, he'll update us here.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 26 May 2017, 13:19:06
Post by: SpectreiiI on Fri, 26 May 2017, 16:39:09
Post by: evangs on Fri, 26 May 2017, 21:12:14
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 26 May 2017, 21:53:49
We are currently on track for SP delivering to me at the end of June. I just checked them this week and so far so good
June is much better than December (my latest Out of the Vault set), ugh...
Again, I am so glad to be a part of this...thanks, one more time, evangs!
Post by: yokken on Fri, 26 May 2017, 22:18:27
Post by: digisax on Sat, 27 May 2017, 00:07:59
I'd love to see this set go for another round later.
Post by: SpectreiiI on Sun, 28 May 2017, 21:31:24
Welp, I'm disappointed I decided to build an ALPs board now and not two months ago.I'm in the same boat. I would trade my vintage dolch PAC65 board for a set of these. Maybe if we are ridiculously lucky, a couple of people will have second thoughts and send us PMs :cool:
I'd love to see this set go for another round later.
Post by: evangs on Sun, 28 May 2017, 22:24:14
Welp, I'm disappointed I decided to build an ALPs board now and not two months ago.I'm in the same boat. I would trade my vintage dolch PAC65 board for a set of these. Maybe if we are ridiculously lucky, a couple of people will have second thoughts and send us PMs :cool:
I'd love to see this set go for another round later.
I have limited extras. Join my mailing list on my site so you can hear first when they are available
Post by: P1kas on Sun, 28 May 2017, 23:54:04
Anyone interested should PM me.
Post by: evangs on Mon, 29 May 2017, 08:48:12
I may part with my spot, if that's allowed. I ordered both the base kit and the international/addon kit in ALPS
Anyone interested should PM me.
Yes that is fine. Coordinate the trade, handle payment and when you are both good to go email me the details and I will update shipping address
Post by: Valzaan on Thu, 01 June 2017, 16:42:02
Post by: Kavik on Thu, 01 June 2017, 17:37:59
Dang, I hate I missed this. This set is awesome, great job!
I'll post some pics when I get mine so you can enjoy them vicariously :D .
Post by: Valzaan on Fri, 02 June 2017, 09:18:17
Dang, I hate I missed this. This set is awesome, great job!
I'll post some pics when I get mine so you can enjoy them vicariously :D .
And I will drool enviously while I view them :D. I signed up for the mailing list so maybe I will be able to get a MX set at some point. If not I am definitely going to watch the second hand market and any future runs for this.
Post by: DJSwayde on Fri, 02 June 2017, 09:37:46
Post by: E.E.L. Ambiense on Fri, 02 June 2017, 09:39:52
Post by: nachie on Fri, 02 June 2017, 12:26:07
Post by: yokken on Fri, 02 June 2017, 13:57:54
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sat, 03 June 2017, 20:27:40
Post by: P1kas on Thu, 08 June 2017, 18:53:58
E: Still available!!
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 23 June 2017, 09:30:48
Post by: Kavik on Fri, 23 June 2017, 13:33:11
Much excite!
Same. Wondering if I'll get this or M65-A first!
Post by: TheEerieCold on Sun, 25 June 2017, 22:17:16
Post by: evangs on Sun, 25 June 2017, 22:19:17
Hype indeed! I fell in love with this set and each passing day has me checking this thread for new updates. Maybe some news this week since it is the last week of June.
I'm expecting a shipping notification this week. No delays have been communicated on SP's end.
Post by: nightdriver on Mon, 26 June 2017, 13:24:14
Post by: arhetue on Wed, 28 June 2017, 10:16:36
Post by: xprongs on Thu, 29 June 2017, 05:53:02
Post by: brycec7 on Sat, 01 July 2017, 15:42:57
Post by: theillumedpanda on Sun, 02 July 2017, 12:53:41
Can't wait to see pictures.
Post by: the pokemon kid on Mon, 03 July 2017, 13:09:11
I really hope that there'll be leftovers in your store, as the DSA Granite doesn't have a 7u spacebar and I'm still on the hunt for a good ALPS set to pair it with my MIRA.
Can't wait to see pictures.
Looks like they had added something for you ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/cYBgMxQ.png)
Post by: theillumedpanda on Mon, 03 July 2017, 14:04:09
Huh, I don't see it. Could you send me a link?I really hope that there'll be leftovers in your store, as the DSA Granite doesn't have a 7u spacebar and I'm still on the hunt for a good ALPS set to pair it with my MIRA.
Can't wait to see pictures.
Looks like they had added something for you ;)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cYBgMxQ.png)
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 03 July 2017, 15:30:34
Huh, I don't see it. Could you send me a link?I really hope that there'll be leftovers in your store, as the DSA Granite doesn't have a 7u spacebar and I'm still on the hunt for a good ALPS set to pair it with my MIRA.
Can't wait to see pictures.
Looks like they had added something for you ;)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cYBgMxQ.png)
I believe it's a screenshot showing PMK selling 7u alps space bars now for grante.
Post by: theillumedpanda on Mon, 03 July 2017, 15:45:09
Yeah, you're right. Out of stock :(Huh, I don't see it. Could you send me a link?I really hope that there'll be leftovers in your store, as the DSA Granite doesn't have a 7u spacebar and I'm still on the hunt for a good ALPS set to pair it with my MIRA.
Can't wait to see pictures.
Looks like they had added something for you ;)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cYBgMxQ.png)
I believe it's a screenshot showing PMK selling 7u alps space bars now for grante.
Post by: child on Thu, 06 July 2017, 02:01:05
I'm expecting a shipping notification this week. No delays have been communicated on SP's end.
Any news? Almost two weeks since that post...
Post by: ac2531 on Fri, 07 July 2017, 08:40:16
I'm expecting a shipping notification this week. No delays have been communicated on SP's end.
Any news? Almost two weeks since that post...
I'm wondering the same...
Post by: evangs on Fri, 07 July 2017, 10:45:25
I'm expecting a shipping notification this week. No delays have been communicated on SP's end.
Any news? Almost two weeks since that post...
I'm wondering the same...
Not yet. I need to call SP and ask them where the effing caps are
Post by: ac2531 on Fri, 07 July 2017, 10:46:42
I'm expecting a shipping notification this week. No delays have been communicated on SP's end.
Any news? Almost two weeks since that post...
I'm wondering the same...
Not yet. I need to call SP and ask them where the effing caps are
Thanks for the update, evangs...sorry to hear SP is being, well...SP with things.
Post by: aeryxz on Sat, 08 July 2017, 09:24:23
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Post by: evangs on Sat, 08 July 2017, 09:44:10
Hello, was wondering if there's any alps extras?
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Yes there will be
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sat, 08 July 2017, 09:45:54
Post by: Komplexx on Sun, 09 July 2017, 23:28:58
Post by: evangs on Sun, 09 July 2017, 23:51:11
I always miss these things. How can we keep updated on when this will be done again?
Join the newsletter on my website, vankeebs.com
Post by: E.E.L. Ambiense on Mon, 10 July 2017, 07:36:06
Post by: yokken on Tue, 11 July 2017, 09:20:22
Post by: E.E.L. Ambiense on Tue, 11 July 2017, 09:54:41
Post by: evangs on Tue, 11 July 2017, 11:04:36
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 11 July 2017, 11:20:03
Post by: evangs on Tue, 11 July 2017, 15:16:27
Post by: CampAsAChamp on Tue, 11 July 2017, 15:30:19
SP got back to me. They are currently working on the caps and have no ETA yet. Not sure what's going on over there but that is all the info I was provided.
Oh this does not bode well, fingers are crossed that nothing has happened but they haven't been inspiring a lot of confidence with all their delays as of late. All I hope for now is to get the caps before I go back to school in September.
Thanks a lot for the update
Post by: Kavik on Tue, 11 July 2017, 15:40:00
SP got back to me. They are currently working on the caps and have no ETA yet. Not sure what's going on over there but that is all the info I was provided.
Sadface.
Post by: zslane on Tue, 11 July 2017, 16:02:25
It's a miracle that double-shot sets ever get delivered at all. But they eventually do. Waiting (a long, long time) is simply part of the process. I've been waiting since Summer 2015 for my Round 6 "Honeywell" caps, and it will most likely be Spring 2018 before I get them. The wait for LightCycle feels miniscule by comparison.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Tue, 11 July 2017, 16:13:55
Post by: TheEerieCold on Tue, 11 July 2017, 16:33:07
I didn't think DSA has similar backlog to SA profile at SP.It didn't at first. Once SA became so backlogged I think people started to move to DSA as a backup, now it's getting bogged down as well. When Miami Dolch dropped in May it had almost a 6 month ETA. This GB was submitted at the start of April, so it was only a month ahead if that is any indication.
Post by: zslane on Tue, 11 July 2017, 17:46:24
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 11 July 2017, 19:24:36
The issue isn't the profile, it is the double-shot legend process. SP has only so many machines (and operators) for doing them, and the process is substantially slower than dye-sublimation.
Aaaand they refuse to expand to meet demand...
Post by: zeshon on Tue, 11 July 2017, 21:13:24
Quote
I've been in contact with Signature Plastics. The keycaps are not yet finished which is why they have not yet been shipped to me. They are hard at work completing the order and should be shipping soon.
SP STRIKES AGAIN
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 11 July 2017, 21:32:33
The issue isn't the profile, it is the double-shot legend process. SP has only so many machines (and operators) for doing them, and the process is substantially slower than dye-sublimation.
Aaaand they refuse to expand to meet demand...
It might be a smart move.
I certainly want them to expand, but maybe they've considered and realize they cannot keep up with the Chinese price and production. Also, this could very well be the "bubble" of the enthusiast keycap market. I'm not saying I want that to be true, but if it was, investing in a lot of overhead cost might not be wise.
Post by: Kavik on Tue, 11 July 2017, 22:30:07
The issue isn't the profile, it is the double-shot legend process. SP has only so many machines (and operators) for doing them, and the process is substantially slower than dye-sublimation.
Aaaand they refuse to expand to meet demand...
It might be a smart move.
I certainly want them to expand, but maybe they've considered and realize they cannot keep up with the Chinese price and production. Also, this could very well be the "bubble" of the enthusiast keycap market. I'm not saying I want that to be true, but if it was, investing in a lot of overhead cost might not be wise.
I thought I'd heard SP is expanding a bit (or at least hiring more people), but it's training them that's taking forever.
Post by: P1kas on Wed, 12 July 2017, 08:51:23
Will part with for slightly under retail :thumb:
Post by: evangs on Wed, 12 July 2017, 09:08:23
Still have that full alps set spot up for grabs
Will part with for slightly under retail :thumb:
you can get a full refund if you want :) just email me at thevankeyboards@gmail.com with your order number.
Post by: P1kas on Wed, 12 July 2017, 09:16:30
Still have that full alps set spot up for grabs
Will part with for slightly under retail :thumb:
you can get a full refund if you want :) just email me at thevankeyboards@gmail.com with your order number.
Thank you!
Post by: ThatsFineThatOne on Wed, 12 July 2017, 09:46:13
Still have that full alps set spot up for grabs
Will part with for slightly under retail :thumb:
you can get a full refund if you want :) just email me at thevankeyboards@gmail.com with your order number.
Does this go for MX sets as well?
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 12 July 2017, 10:09:40
Post by: evangs on Wed, 12 July 2017, 10:22:20
Still have that full alps set spot up for grabs
Will part with for slightly under retail :thumb:
you can get a full refund if you want :) just email me at thevankeyboards@gmail.com with your order number.
Does this go for MX sets as well?
yes, if you want out, simply email me your order and I will go ahead and refund it. heads up to anyone looking for a spot the refunded sets go back on the site and are available for purchase.
Post by: evangs on Wed, 12 July 2017, 10:24:46
I am in like Kevin Flynn...gonna stay for the duration. Still better than December, haha.
thanks for your support! It shouldn't be too much longer.... now that they are actually working on them XD
Post by: Invaderevan on Wed, 12 July 2017, 10:28:46
Post by: E.E.L. Ambiense on Wed, 12 July 2017, 10:32:17
I am in like Kevin Flynn...gonna stay for the duration. Still better than December, haha.
Me too! I'll quote myself:
I am in like FLYNN!
you can get a full refund if you want :) just email me at thevankeyboards@gmail.com with your order number.Perfect example of professional service right there.
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 12 July 2017, 10:58:23
I am in like Kevin Flynn...gonna stay for the duration. Still better than December, haha.
Oh man, what a pun/reference. Nice, dude!
Post by: P1kas on Wed, 12 July 2017, 11:07:33
I am so sad I missed this buy. I need this set so bad for my LSv3 build :( Hopefully someone will let a set go
As stated by Evangs, there will be extra sets available on his website. Some from refunded orders, and other extras that he ordered from the beginning
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 12 July 2017, 11:10:02
Post by: Blazestorm on Wed, 12 July 2017, 11:55:50
These are "Costar" inserts, they should hook onto your Alps 2U wire and allow you to plug into the SP Alps caps (which use Cherry stems for stabilizers). I'm not 100% positive if these will fit the Alps wires but this kit from Matias leads me to believe they just work.
Matias kit: https://matias.store/collections/keycaps-and-switches-1/products/stabilizer-and-hook-set
That kit from Matias is mostly for Alps stabilizers, but you need enough for 4x Cherry stabilizers. (and I think there is only enough for 2x)
Post by: zslane on Wed, 12 July 2017, 12:16:33
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 12 July 2017, 13:09:05
The V60 has Alps stabilizers on the 2U keys and Cherry stabilizers on the spacebar. So the Spacebar is good to go, but you might need these for the 2U stabilizers: http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/keyboard-parts/cherry-mx-keycap-stabilizer-insert-2pcs.html
These are "Costar" inserts, they should hook onto your Alps 2U wire and allow you to plug into the SP Alps caps (which use Cherry stems for stabilizers). I'm not 100% positive if these will fit the Alps wires but this kit from Matias leads me to believe they just work.
Matias kit: https://matias.store/collections/keycaps-and-switches-1/products/stabilizer-and-hook-set
That kit from Matias is mostly for Alps stabilizers, but you need enough for 4x Cherry stabilizers. (and I think there is only enough for 2x)
The problem is that the stabilizer stem mounts for the 2.75u right Shift key from SP are too close together (in towards the center) and so the standard stabilizer wire that comes with a KBP V60 mini won't reach the inserts. You'll need to repurpose (i.e., unbend and rebend into shape) a longer stabilizer wire, like a Matias spacebar wire, so you can make the "arms" at the ends long enough to reach the inserts.
Thanks. I should be good then. I thought I remembered having this discussion a while back. I believe I ordered some extra stabilizers both MX and Matias that are packed away somewhere. I'll have to go looking :)
Post by: evangs on Wed, 12 July 2017, 15:04:46
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Wed, 12 July 2017, 15:10:25
Post by: evangs on Wed, 12 July 2017, 16:25:12
I regret not getting in on this extended set (I have the original run on a minivan and it just looks so good)... will there be any leftovers?
yes, also I'm about to refund someones order so you should spam the product page.
Post by: E.E.L. Ambiense on Wed, 12 July 2017, 18:23:16
Post by: yokken on Sun, 16 July 2017, 10:45:03
Post by: Sparkyman215 on Sun, 16 July 2017, 20:34:18
Good to hear, I was really hoping we wouldn't have to wait until late August/early September for these.
I mean, it's going to be about the beginning of August when we get them ;) but no worries, I'm excited to get them!
Post by: evangs on Fri, 21 July 2017, 10:34:22
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 21 July 2017, 10:35:25
Talked to SP yesterday, they said they should ship on Monday. Everyone cross your fingers that I get the caps next week and we can finally start to enjoy them!
Wonderful news! Thanks for the update!
Post by: yokken on Fri, 21 July 2017, 12:52:44
Post by: Kavik on Fri, 21 July 2017, 15:34:28
Woooooooot! Maybe I actually will have them by the time I'm ready to build my M65 :) Thanks for the update, Evan!
Is this what you're planning on putting on your M65-a? If so, what color did you get? This would look good on Space Gray, but I only got an ALPS set, so I won't be able to enjoy these two together.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 21 July 2017, 16:30:05
Post by: zslane on Fri, 21 July 2017, 19:28:33
Post by: Blazestorm on Sat, 22 July 2017, 12:23:35
Woooooooot! Maybe I actually will have them by the time I'm ready to build my M65 :) Thanks for the update, Evan!
Is this what you're planning on putting on your M65-a? If so, what color did you get? This would look good on Space Gray, but I only got an ALPS set, so I won't be able to enjoy these two together.
http://www.lfk78.com/product/smk65-pcb
I'm not sure if that PCB is compatible, but maybe? =)
Post by: P1kas on Sat, 22 July 2017, 12:24:51
He'd still need an alps plateWoooooooot! Maybe I actually will have them by the time I'm ready to build my M65 :) Thanks for the update, Evan!
Is this what you're planning on putting on your M65-a? If so, what color did you get? This would look good on Space Gray, but I only got an ALPS set, so I won't be able to enjoy these two together.
http://www.lfk78.com/product/smk65-pcb
I'm not sure if that PCB is compatible, but maybe? =)
Post by: yokken on Sat, 22 July 2017, 18:30:58
Woooooooot! Maybe I actually will have them by the time I'm ready to build my M65 :) Thanks for the update, Evan!
Is this what you're planning on putting on your M65-a? If so, what color did you get? This would look good on Space Gray, but I only got an ALPS set, so I won't be able to enjoy these two together.
I got the Space Gray :) Will be putting Maxkey Orange on Dolch on it first, but LightCycle should look good on it as well.
Post by: Blazestorm on Sun, 23 July 2017, 00:51:43
He'd still need an alps plate
Those PCBs are for SMK Alps which have the same/very similar cut-out as MX afaik, so they should theoretically fit the stock M65 plate. I could be wrong though.
Post by: P1kas on Sun, 23 July 2017, 11:34:36
Good point. Not sure if those smk switches use ~19mm spacing like MXHe'd still need an alps plate
Those PCBs are for SMK Alps which have the same/very similar cut-out as MX afaik, so they should theoretically fit the stock M65 plate. I could be wrong though.
Post by: MandrewDavis on Sun, 23 July 2017, 20:13:58
Good point. Not sure if those smk switches use ~19mm spacing like MXHe'd still need an alps plate
Those PCBs are for SMK Alps which have the same/very similar cut-out as MX afaik, so they should theoretically fit the stock M65 plate. I could be wrong though.
SMK switches do more-less share the same cutout dimensions of 14mm2 as Cherry but tend to fit better in plates that support switchtop opening. The universal standard is 19.05 mm square spacing from the center-to-center of each cutout. No keyboard designers deviate from this so when trying to fit SMK switches into a MX plates, the problem lies not with spacing, but with manufacturing tolerances. Are the corners rounded? Are cutouts larger than spec due to kerf? Stuff like that.
There aren't any SMK PCBs in the M65A layout so it would have to be handwired with a custom plate that supports plate-mounted MX stabilizers. Personally, I think don't care for SMK switches enough to deal with all the headaches of alps switches they are inferior to. Aristotle stems in gateron housings with the right spring weight are better than SMK switches and the best mx-based clicky switch available.
Post by: Kavik on Mon, 24 July 2017, 10:04:00
Post by: ac2531 on Mon, 24 July 2017, 10:16:02
Post by: zslane on Mon, 24 July 2017, 12:27:18
Post by: ac2531 on Mon, 24 July 2017, 12:29:53
How do you plan to accommodate the two extra stems on all the keys 2u and wider? Those stems will hit the wide, raised plate "roof" over each switch, preventing the keys from depressing properly.
I'll probably drill the case (I know that's how you do it on HHKB, assuming that it's the same way on a Realforce), as I'd like to not have to cut up these keycaps. Knowing my luck, if I modify the caps, my fingers will decide to like MX-style switches again and I'll have a worthless keyset.
Post by: 00zeRO on Mon, 24 July 2017, 12:35:35
(http://i.imgur.com/cvmK179.jpg)
Post by: zslane on Mon, 24 July 2017, 13:44:41
How do you plan to accommodate the two extra stems on all the keys 2u and wider? Those stems will hit the wide, raised plate "roof" over each switch, preventing the keys from depressing properly.
I'll probably drill the case...
Gotcha. Yeah, that's what I plan to do for the Enter key on my Topre numpad. I already have replacement stems and silencing rings installed; I just haven't gotten around to the drilling part yet...
Post by: Blazestorm on Mon, 24 July 2017, 18:40:53
But now KBDFans has silencing rings for cheap, so I can silence these boards at the same time :D
Post by: TheEerieCold on Mon, 24 July 2017, 19:11:57
Post by: chuckdee on Mon, 24 July 2017, 20:54:54
Every time I see a new post in here I keep hoping its evangs with an update, but it is not to be.
Talked to SP yesterday, they said they should ship on Monday. Everyone cross your fingers that I get the caps next week and we can finally start to enjoy them!
Post by: zslane on Mon, 24 July 2017, 21:06:17
Yep, it's what I'm doing with the boards I'm modifying w/ JTK sliders, just mimicking the Novatouch stabilizer cut-outs. Bit tedious.
But now KBDFans has silencing rings for cheap, so I can silence these boards at the same time :D
Could you provide a link to those cheap silencing rings? Thanks!
Post by: eksuen on Mon, 24 July 2017, 21:37:22
Yep, it's what I'm doing with the boards I'm modifying w/ JTK sliders, just mimicking the Novatouch stabilizer cut-outs. Bit tedious.
But now KBDFans has silencing rings for cheap, so I can silence these boards at the same time :D
Could you provide a link to those cheap silencing rings? Thanks!
https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/kbdfans-mod-topre-keyboard-silence-o-ring-hhkb-keyboard-realforce-87-104
Post by: Blazestorm on Tue, 25 July 2017, 01:46:00
Yep, it's what I'm doing with the boards I'm modifying w/ JTK sliders, just mimicking the Novatouch stabilizer cut-outs. Bit tedious.
But now KBDFans has silencing rings for cheap, so I can silence these boards at the same time :D
Could you provide a link to those cheap silencing rings? Thanks!
https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/kbdfans-mod-topre-keyboard-silence-o-ring-hhkb-keyboard-realforce-87-104
Actually was thinking of these: https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/topre-keyboard-silence-x-120pcs
The one you linked are just o-rings, these are clones/copies of the original Topre silencing ring. Might look on Taobao or something and see if I can find it cheaper. He usually marks it up a little bit on the shopify page.
Post by: eksuen on Tue, 25 July 2017, 01:53:41
Yep, it's what I'm doing with the boards I'm modifying w/ JTK sliders, just mimicking the Novatouch stabilizer cut-outs. Bit tedious.
But now KBDFans has silencing rings for cheap, so I can silence these boards at the same time :D
Could you provide a link to those cheap silencing rings? Thanks!
https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/kbdfans-mod-topre-keyboard-silence-o-ring-hhkb-keyboard-realforce-87-104
Actually was thinking of these: https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/topre-keyboard-silence-x-120pcs
The one you linked are just o-rings, these are clones/copies of the original Topre silencing ring. Might look on Taobao or something and see if I can find it cheaper. He usually marks it up a little bit on the shopify page.
Ahh, thanks for the correction.
Post by: ac2531 on Tue, 25 July 2017, 08:19:27
Yep, it's what I'm doing with the boards I'm modifying w/ JTK sliders, just mimicking the Novatouch stabilizer cut-outs. Bit tedious.
But now KBDFans has silencing rings for cheap, so I can silence these boards at the same time :D
Could you provide a link to those cheap silencing rings? Thanks!
https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/kbdfans-mod-topre-keyboard-silence-o-ring-hhkb-keyboard-realforce-87-104 (https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/kbdfans-mod-topre-keyboard-silence-o-ring-hhkb-keyboard-realforce-87-104)
Actually was thinking of these: https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/topre-keyboard-silence-x-120pcs (https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/topre-keyboard-silence-x-120pcs)
The one you linked are just o-rings, these are clones/copies of the original Topre silencing ring. Might look on Taobao or something and see if I can find it cheaper. He usually marks it up a little bit on the shopify page.
I've actually got a set of these on order right now to silence my Realforce - I can PM you guys with my impressions when I've got them installed if you'd like.
Post by: zslane on Tue, 25 July 2017, 12:00:06
The black ones are interesting, but I wonder if they would fit properly with the sliders in a RealForce RGB board.
Post by: hhkbp2 on Wed, 26 July 2017, 04:41:53
Yep, it's what I'm doing with the boards I'm modifying w/ JTK sliders, just mimicking the Novatouch stabilizer cut-outs. Bit tedious.
But now KBDFans has silencing rings for cheap, so I can silence these boards at the same time :D
Could you provide a link to those cheap silencing rings? Thanks!
https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/kbdfans-mod-topre-keyboard-silence-o-ring-hhkb-keyboard-realforce-87-104
Actually was thinking of these: https://kbdfans.myshopify.com/products/topre-keyboard-silence-x-120pcs
The one you linked are just o-rings, these are clones/copies of the original Topre silencing ring. Might look on Taobao or something and see if I can find it cheaper. He usually marks it up a little bit on the shopify page.
I bought both JTK Topre to MX sliders and these KBDfans Topre to MX sliders.
1. JTK Topre to MX sliders has no silence rings. I found it's noisy to use them on HHKB, especially using low profile keycaps, like DSA. And they don't have padding inside the key stems. So the keycaps would be uneven sitting on the stems. But they have 2.25u stabilizer stems, which could be use on the left shift and right enter position of my HHKB. You may need to sand them to fit these 2.25u positions.
2. KBDFans Topre to MX sliders have silence rings. It's much quieter use them on HHKB. They feel a little bit scratchy, not as smooth as JTK ones or the stock sliders. Padding inside the key stems so the keycaps are even. But the QC is not good enough, so the keycap is rotated in about 1~2 degree anti-clockwise. Only 1u stems but no 2.25u stem.
I lubricate and use KBDFans Topre to MX sliders on all the 1u positions on my HHKB. For the 2.25u left shift and right enter, I remove the silence rings from extra KBDFans sliders and put them on JTK sliders, and then install them on my HHKB. Holes are drilled using a common scissor for these stabilizers keycaps.
The most tricky part is the spacebar. I remove the stock housings, install a 1u JTK sliders(with KBDFans silence ring) and a set of costar stabilizer on the housing holes. Since the KBDFans sliders are rotated, they are not good to be used in a long keycap like spacebar.
Both KBDFans/JTK sliders have flaws. They're good enough to use but not perfect. I want to try the Novatouch sliders if I have the chance later.
At the end of all these work/twisting, now I have a HHKB with SA keycaps installed.
(http://i.imgur.com/CS1aSJS.jpg)
There are 1u super, 1.25u alt and 6.25u spacebar in the bottom row. There are holes between 1.25u alt and 6.25u spacebar. It's not perfect but it's fine for daily usage.
Now I'm free to switch different keycaps (including spacebar) on my HHKB. I'm really fond of SA profile and use Jukebox on it now. Looking forward to getting Godspeed or Dasher/Dancer and put them on.
Post by: zslane on Wed, 26 July 2017, 12:22:22
Post by: ac2531 on Thu, 27 July 2017, 09:31:25
Talked to SP yesterday, they said they should ship on Monday. Everyone cross your fingers that I get the caps next week and we can finally start to enjoy them!
Hey Evan, did you hear anything from SP yet? Did the caps actually ship when SP said they would?
Post by: evangs on Thu, 27 July 2017, 11:31:44
Talked to SP yesterday, they said they should ship on Monday. Everyone cross your fingers that I get the caps next week and we can finally start to enjoy them!
Hey Evan, did you hear anything from SP yet? Did the caps actually ship when SP said they would?
Good news folks. SP did ship on Monday and the caps are slated to arrive tomorrow the 28th! I'm extremely excited to finally see these caps and start shipping them to all you patient folks.
Post by: ac2531 on Thu, 27 July 2017, 11:33:38
Talked to SP yesterday, they said they should ship on Monday. Everyone cross your fingers that I get the caps next week and we can finally start to enjoy them!
Hey Evan, did you hear anything from SP yet? Did the caps actually ship when SP said they would?
Good news folks. SP did ship on Monday and the caps are slated to arrive tomorrow the 28th! I'm extremely excited to finally see these caps and start shipping them to all you patient folks.
The only way this news could better is if you had the caps already!
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Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 27 July 2017, 11:53:50
Talked to SP yesterday, they said they should ship on Monday. Everyone cross your fingers that I get the caps next week and we can finally start to enjoy them!
Hey Evan, did you hear anything from SP yet? Did the caps actually ship when SP said they would?
Good news folks. SP did ship on Monday and the caps are slated to arrive tomorrow the 28th! I'm extremely excited to finally see these caps and start shipping them to all you patient folks.
I liked the email you sent out. MCP has been defeated? I guess we'll have to see the final product before I set my disc down.
Post by: E.E.L. Ambiense on Thu, 27 July 2017, 12:22:34
Good news folks. SP did ship on Monday and the caps are slated to arrive tomorrow the 28th! I'm extremely excited to finally see these caps and start shipping them to all you patient folks.
Thanks for the heads-up, Evan. New daily-driver's sitting in the shop, ready to go!
Post by: yokken on Thu, 27 July 2017, 12:35:00
Post by: TheEerieCold on Thu, 27 July 2017, 12:47:34
Talked to SP yesterday, they said they should ship on Monday. Everyone cross your fingers that I get the caps next week and we can finally start to enjoy them!
Hey Evan, did you hear anything from SP yet? Did the caps actually ship when SP said they would?
Good news folks. SP did ship on Monday and the caps are slated to arrive tomorrow the 28th! I'm extremely excited to finally see these caps and start shipping them to all you patient folks.
So awesome! I'm not sure what I'm more excited for... these caps or the Norbauer cases shipping out soon. Thanks Evan!
Post by: evangs on Thu, 27 July 2017, 13:07:37
Talked to SP yesterday, they said they should ship on Monday. Everyone cross your fingers that I get the caps next week and we can finally start to enjoy them!
Hey Evan, did you hear anything from SP yet? Did the caps actually ship when SP said they would?
Good news folks. SP did ship on Monday and the caps are slated to arrive tomorrow the 28th! I'm extremely excited to finally see these caps and start shipping them to all you patient folks.
So awesome! I'm not sure what I'm more excited for... these caps or the Norbauer cases shipping out soon. Thanks Evan!
:D I've got one of the round 1 norbauer cases. Beautiful piece of work. I have the white one with GMK skeletor on it, but plan on putting dasher on when it arrives. I may have to do a Tron photoshoot inbetween.
Post by: TheEerieCold on Thu, 27 July 2017, 14:04:50
Talked to SP yesterday, they said they should ship on Monday. Everyone cross your fingers that I get the caps next week and we can finally start to enjoy them!
Hey Evan, did you hear anything from SP yet? Did the caps actually ship when SP said they would?
Good news folks. SP did ship on Monday and the caps are slated to arrive tomorrow the 28th! I'm extremely excited to finally see these caps and start shipping them to all you patient folks.
So awesome! I'm not sure what I'm more excited for... these caps or the Norbauer cases shipping out soon. Thanks Evan!
:D I've got one of the round 1 norbauer cases. Beautiful piece of work. I have the white one with GMK skeletor on it, but plan on putting dasher on when it arrives. I may have to do a Tron photoshoot inbetween.
I've got one of the retro teal R2 ones coming that I plan on using with Lightcycle. Plan on posting the entire buildlog once everything is here :cool:
Post by: evangs on Thu, 27 July 2017, 14:54:58
I've got one of the retro teal R2 ones coming that I plan on using with Lightcycle. Plan on posting the entire buildlog once everything is here :cool:
Looking forward to that!
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sat, 29 July 2017, 13:49:31
Post by: yokken on Sat, 29 July 2017, 13:56:46
Post by: zslane on Sat, 29 July 2017, 15:06:41
Post by: Valzaan on Sun, 30 July 2017, 09:02:23
Post by: evangs on Sun, 30 July 2017, 09:06:07
Any word on when extras will be hitting the shop? I have been checking a couple of times a day. I am really hoping to get an MX Base set of these. I am so envious of everyone in this drop.
It will be after I get all the orders out. I will be sending out an email on my newsletter when they are available
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EDIT: not sure why the images are not loading inline or at least nor for me. If you click they will show up I'll work on fixing that.
EDIT: Fixed, didnt like using the google short names for some reason.
Post by: smittysteve on Mon, 31 July 2017, 14:13:22
I present to you... DSA Lightcycle installed on a ps2avrGB board.Show Image(https://photos.app.goo.gl/b1lseahLqsniPXSi1)Show Image(https://photos.app.goo.gl/e909ntnltVL446vr1)Show Image(https://photos.app.goo.gl/AMkqjSr78m7JoZfE2)Show Image(https://photos.app.goo.gl/0xYXxRiouHd2MXo62)Show Image(https://photos.app.goo.gl/6DyWnugjoaOf6Y2R2)Show Image(https://photos.app.goo.gl/sGhziEpu9ZzEiIS63)
Noooo.... you tease!! Pic links show broken for me. I need to see come 'cycle in the wild!! (Fix, please and thank you?)
edit: clicked through... looks awesome on the board!! Thanks for sharing.
Post by: Blazestorm on Mon, 31 July 2017, 14:40:43
I present to you... DSA Lightcycle installed on a ps2avrGB board.Show Image(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uv3drEuOCkNgUjD6B7MY6-DfT0EqQKkZXyE2mlrGUZf6FK52FE-lP6FHmxzSmcx-7d-uiceEWVt3fjAYg3f7RiZArDU7YR8bxxCVdos56QTWu3geTTNyPelFbL9L5ENpEaYDzif18LhpjvKMW3Xpmq9t-mTTSzZr7q-CEzccP_dytbB9KVdpjWZq0S6lNDnNbQa9wA_6tzWBisxH1VKfo2eIgJf-e3oI_LVXx4NfLyJsvQZvASWeQgoSt231ohqCB99gFHfzHCynHZf3rSCNI6C0BAMykHUD4-DBoWKI6zPhxN_EghLyyxt0WleFI7vpKk9UhEFVkTaqdXrZZfeIkBTtuA05wquEztHv7cL_BevYfMCcT2jkvkOpmrKwT3CDRWbVwrcDGch2Z42FvW_uVRBzQIfwyJ4Q6-4k_nY3x5EHrG3XKPY_Z1l94XaEyK3x6oOswCA4F3s4N-PiCBJ3GVGy9S9QuzB1tBmWOU668eaV_a2Ipb6hWt_8sXEmJpZbHnttILqIy678e-KX5YK7hpSZjC7f1PT5qv6hXr_JMgbfW6Bgyu1DenqNDG4xnvVduKFJEap9cB9V7hqya-I6r_RwZEGWfbApP2KV_CK0rzBlHNqpLJPdAXci=w2381-h1508-no)Show Image(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4nPRq4oMUiZ04_vjyWhw1RWD4Z2PjXd5s0Evd80wZfBBWoxgfMNlP8nmpmcMSGFMy1ugY4S2lgQIwHELGWqMjf1YJIXmI4U_YwAwnfbb3CbjmeB_ercXCqSfZqNVMXZ15A4LfGxBnw4smUX6UZERsgHVMYSWVKozgNG2FQg2EaCutM5VQYQinLk58PvzP5g26QCtgOwOPCMdL4EXI9lcG1z_NAV2099r3beNaur--0irv6kb247HKgMdUHnb68Lym8sytexZBDMArdpm6GvAC6SAyf8IqE213BVtD8p6UB7nqJLD4td2fFbRlieBWiorAQMVTEy0LrX0Ya4Yk5HA8yTRboqFgWKlnuQwuiZZLvXnXmsBIFtOdTbK3VT7pYETYDxwFhvool5xm6ajLDcLf5ept3Wy64wW-M9jJzuxLLWxSZSyRb4Gx3FkSK7mNGlrN-RUtD9XG8mktQJLE8GhUqVpx-TxJgyzQN677XyE46743JnknmcDImf5jqQr5T7Cj0v2JNwPiJN1jABmTYbvWmoq_8DIgzSjmSY9eKSl-deuhJG_tGdenYH_zvzHNRvE95SuOUKngiijNI-tMZDrro0rkUzICnVcrMIpDk65lHaSqPrZmKS5ZysI=w2011-h1508-no)Show Image(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OzBVUjQZOwv8wMDuEJsqN2RbmURIAg4ikxs0FTIqR1u1udzZ6gMDBXBt_IgpLkMR8DHUwt3QFIaT245ymC_SO-H36PazWIAUc0Y8OMvJQ8EuNueeUA2ccB241poorQs9xYXzRnQBLfQMpcGMdYm8J-3ivmxF4s6LJCjYBGN_DW3VEJFoJ4p_ZnU3A3HZv6R-zJU76BA36hgnJczRxBOSXiuA0QwmSsp3eWQlu64R84LuysA_1kvj4TqKRXFlfRYXZfsDxl29SeVhAb2f3rZ8Gey-Xepa_MEcjSaICWwXTFicoyxkokL121SIah8r3TphVM6xH9sE_BP5Q7beFW8Lm7vOCZwqihwynxSU0WBgH7gA8w-kGK4_pSfGiYZW8vBzivIRObqj-CUZL2UnpBJjHUtO9kILSwqM8BjIA8TyrccRaHwZzIJuZ9rxav_N4OY0YAEPuLm6EIOtGJcWS21EvWwubBGbpwP6YsmMBiuWoRdSerrF-KyghvifHq9oBQyi_uojfWMPH1SWna_Y1u-0aIQTjWHvWDqb6iM02EH1ZD5tLic5RDBrEMUyOEZL8F9tJFtTbliS8aRVdPMp0xljV_9BU9rCcYiTBGRKaCTcUrBbakJo755IP1ZM=w2011-h1508-no)Show Image(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/rt4F0ydkXfbZTHPXb-ax5q--HuS3QF2bpUVN5n3DRgS2ts3meg1BbEr-PzB-EtxwFHFflpgUH36w65s_gt836vKSWuHEfiAGZnqKMSVbinTGU00Y0igOa0QEKrogMFpYqbbOBIG-2hvfJzss22lOWhLGlHGk3gXzw6XAtuXyCCTSPLXtOQ4s94vLI39S09g2Wkvb9cQC6wymbBXCmHVGGOOkZCqLVm2AeCAoAYGXpAh7rPZQULByRVrDZIJmSW_CXScu7k9s-IXmGZjYKmrSvN31gmD9ff5R9Vsi5V1euW5e4hZWPUVWpQm5L79K6WWnpnfmh9woZaYy5eBE34vB3eP6D0aWLfq5ZkWGBIDwU1xWBI7qphKUZjXgSVUtkzx-QMRgB7-vOMGvC6fuw_BgUtVf8QF026bVLiVthvlmy_P5m16VyH8NDNI_BBmYTIUAdvqjYUaTeYMWhSsjjMoaEdRKb6j8yttV7vkVczIgfpP5HQjSvF0Vkv9hTCuojCpUwk_zDn5gvX6spGrk37Phc7XNYj38sRAIqDMpI_qK0HAc2rRKY1K1BPSQqGsFSZ5s3b2GJ7wgg8UG5ycg4VOJGLQ0YnUwEJw_tIfZtbfjpmOe9WNDR8OC8PoT=w2484-h1508-no)Show Image(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/C9WoIDapkNw4Ka7G7CFX06nFNkjj2C7aB7JkPASf0ie8o_3fBAURZJvSy-d_2lU5chsu5UQShxqxeGKRVAUp1zmi_hVHyrVweghJ3kmWzV1X8EM2HDTit_-aGiGcBvXQQ5ZDqUIderTudAYicR17ISc5JvBGflzvFOBuh4XVWcQNJwwlSp2BKBNyJxenDkHZWoEKNVEK3J84OHZIOe0ziHEcwd9Ykgb6QWkigq_nB7wgukLPC7qAliSL_zyUexDCqlG9K6n2n9gAaZx_i9-IzZYb3z-EdMkCDfDI2gMF-03jfLGxVZCJKZX-fW8zjxt4OEKw7cIHbN5Rh2fPWl7U0zJmx-GkN9DWrkw-YcynXmC8kTi3NdvrN99Anel-OTNaqrFoWZn0y7phdO2-ykk4tP1EGyDfpj1orNfsVj6wHHQopczQd7_Kdrw3f1Xipo3BEcGjWPaSIsGvKc0Krzuz53f86mMVaMj1Y6E2f9_KhOymjSUtDnp6YDf3xgJLg9I4FzcppeXq0M3t3t2txz0bCJOx7LH1lc3goQrCqCKmmQbeAs7WWFIVZIdeShd2mrfrMazt8y7bo-Hw4NOrxGbBJe9h3bfWcauwvWxtJrk9yTqkb_mBzGS2X2lT=w1640-h1508-no)Show Image(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OpIFAb9HocpU5lFVZltWsT4-MGEnEP5IEEv3ifbPbbJzj5RmIZDR1mzhTO586NSQ017CAdPKZ577PE16-8JDp4efvRZHtgJpj8BXSNCToJlMxxv3vbYjTroiekoKJNubQ-UlilnmvAwgJinfN8WOzSQU0QXo0gp8hncTHnvLUZZiDX30miDVuemjFh_2QLpWc5Il-YcghlNsuSawwC44VYsW7qi1vPDnyszOOMjUpUSxO3hvYHsL47MoSMiFVqJIron3CqcNvxrlbzBVgq5MNzT9aZ0gOAreuou7WkiRuPMyj3iG0cdiahjWP-TatDdCo5j57xdaRyVuObG_Kg2YvnhRWhLytPjUWXjY_S1ezvZa6ka0n0WjF5E-V2Nn50dTj1XVhdcYGUOh8FV4vyo53olo53f_gr10Xd19BRCU_mOsVA7qi5ASbBvWXqKwhTtD3ZVpJVyT_H4qf8khjAqPRAGjVXon0t8_K4_WZk3d8D7baRbXQ2SaQPzT1yp1ccu6KGYZS57T9SQKEeJ9B2Yh_8NxTaJIAumppRjz1VYy6NvAvRSDcgkEUenQZK2z1GpTaNmOdWUu1y9CuFxpxqbVuIIF2JpPAhrVnBpYPDNZJXm8ZsxbfyBRvCHb=w2740-h1090-no)
EDIT: not sure why the images are not loading inline or at least nor for me. If you click they will show up I'll work on fixing that.
EDIT: Fixed, didnt like using the google short names for some reason.
Looks good, your '\|' key is upside down though! =)
I got a shipping notification, not sure if it's both sets or just 1 (I ordered Alps then added MX a week later)
Still gotta build my boards for Alps to fit, although I might stick the MX set on my Norbatouch (Brushed Blue case)
Post by: bmmcwhirt on Mon, 31 July 2017, 15:17:47
I present to you... DSA Lightcycle installed on a ps2avrGB board.Show Image(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/uv3drEuOCkNgUjD6B7MY6-DfT0EqQKkZXyE2mlrGUZf6FK52FE-lP6FHmxzSmcx-7d-uiceEWVt3fjAYg3f7RiZArDU7YR8bxxCVdos56QTWu3geTTNyPelFbL9L5ENpEaYDzif18LhpjvKMW3Xpmq9t-mTTSzZr7q-CEzccP_dytbB9KVdpjWZq0S6lNDnNbQa9wA_6tzWBisxH1VKfo2eIgJf-e3oI_LVXx4NfLyJsvQZvASWeQgoSt231ohqCB99gFHfzHCynHZf3rSCNI6C0BAMykHUD4-DBoWKI6zPhxN_EghLyyxt0WleFI7vpKk9UhEFVkTaqdXrZZfeIkBTtuA05wquEztHv7cL_BevYfMCcT2jkvkOpmrKwT3CDRWbVwrcDGch2Z42FvW_uVRBzQIfwyJ4Q6-4k_nY3x5EHrG3XKPY_Z1l94XaEyK3x6oOswCA4F3s4N-PiCBJ3GVGy9S9QuzB1tBmWOU668eaV_a2Ipb6hWt_8sXEmJpZbHnttILqIy678e-KX5YK7hpSZjC7f1PT5qv6hXr_JMgbfW6Bgyu1DenqNDG4xnvVduKFJEap9cB9V7hqya-I6r_RwZEGWfbApP2KV_CK0rzBlHNqpLJPdAXci=w2381-h1508-no)Show Image(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4nPRq4oMUiZ04_vjyWhw1RWD4Z2PjXd5s0Evd80wZfBBWoxgfMNlP8nmpmcMSGFMy1ugY4S2lgQIwHELGWqMjf1YJIXmI4U_YwAwnfbb3CbjmeB_ercXCqSfZqNVMXZ15A4LfGxBnw4smUX6UZERsgHVMYSWVKozgNG2FQg2EaCutM5VQYQinLk58PvzP5g26QCtgOwOPCMdL4EXI9lcG1z_NAV2099r3beNaur--0irv6kb247HKgMdUHnb68Lym8sytexZBDMArdpm6GvAC6SAyf8IqE213BVtD8p6UB7nqJLD4td2fFbRlieBWiorAQMVTEy0LrX0Ya4Yk5HA8yTRboqFgWKlnuQwuiZZLvXnXmsBIFtOdTbK3VT7pYETYDxwFhvool5xm6ajLDcLf5ept3Wy64wW-M9jJzuxLLWxSZSyRb4Gx3FkSK7mNGlrN-RUtD9XG8mktQJLE8GhUqVpx-TxJgyzQN677XyE46743JnknmcDImf5jqQr5T7Cj0v2JNwPiJN1jABmTYbvWmoq_8DIgzSjmSY9eKSl-deuhJG_tGdenYH_zvzHNRvE95SuOUKngiijNI-tMZDrro0rkUzICnVcrMIpDk65lHaSqPrZmKS5ZysI=w2011-h1508-no)Show Image(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OzBVUjQZOwv8wMDuEJsqN2RbmURIAg4ikxs0FTIqR1u1udzZ6gMDBXBt_IgpLkMR8DHUwt3QFIaT245ymC_SO-H36PazWIAUc0Y8OMvJQ8EuNueeUA2ccB241poorQs9xYXzRnQBLfQMpcGMdYm8J-3ivmxF4s6LJCjYBGN_DW3VEJFoJ4p_ZnU3A3HZv6R-zJU76BA36hgnJczRxBOSXiuA0QwmSsp3eWQlu64R84LuysA_1kvj4TqKRXFlfRYXZfsDxl29SeVhAb2f3rZ8Gey-Xepa_MEcjSaICWwXTFicoyxkokL121SIah8r3TphVM6xH9sE_BP5Q7beFW8Lm7vOCZwqihwynxSU0WBgH7gA8w-kGK4_pSfGiYZW8vBzivIRObqj-CUZL2UnpBJjHUtO9kILSwqM8BjIA8TyrccRaHwZzIJuZ9rxav_N4OY0YAEPuLm6EIOtGJcWS21EvWwubBGbpwP6YsmMBiuWoRdSerrF-KyghvifHq9oBQyi_uojfWMPH1SWna_Y1u-0aIQTjWHvWDqb6iM02EH1ZD5tLic5RDBrEMUyOEZL8F9tJFtTbliS8aRVdPMp0xljV_9BU9rCcYiTBGRKaCTcUrBbakJo755IP1ZM=w2011-h1508-no)Show Image(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/rt4F0ydkXfbZTHPXb-ax5q--HuS3QF2bpUVN5n3DRgS2ts3meg1BbEr-PzB-EtxwFHFflpgUH36w65s_gt836vKSWuHEfiAGZnqKMSVbinTGU00Y0igOa0QEKrogMFpYqbbOBIG-2hvfJzss22lOWhLGlHGk3gXzw6XAtuXyCCTSPLXtOQ4s94vLI39S09g2Wkvb9cQC6wymbBXCmHVGGOOkZCqLVm2AeCAoAYGXpAh7rPZQULByRVrDZIJmSW_CXScu7k9s-IXmGZjYKmrSvN31gmD9ff5R9Vsi5V1euW5e4hZWPUVWpQm5L79K6WWnpnfmh9woZaYy5eBE34vB3eP6D0aWLfq5ZkWGBIDwU1xWBI7qphKUZjXgSVUtkzx-QMRgB7-vOMGvC6fuw_BgUtVf8QF026bVLiVthvlmy_P5m16VyH8NDNI_BBmYTIUAdvqjYUaTeYMWhSsjjMoaEdRKb6j8yttV7vkVczIgfpP5HQjSvF0Vkv9hTCuojCpUwk_zDn5gvX6spGrk37Phc7XNYj38sRAIqDMpI_qK0HAc2rRKY1K1BPSQqGsFSZ5s3b2GJ7wgg8UG5ycg4VOJGLQ0YnUwEJw_tIfZtbfjpmOe9WNDR8OC8PoT=w2484-h1508-no)Show Image(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/C9WoIDapkNw4Ka7G7CFX06nFNkjj2C7aB7JkPASf0ie8o_3fBAURZJvSy-d_2lU5chsu5UQShxqxeGKRVAUp1zmi_hVHyrVweghJ3kmWzV1X8EM2HDTit_-aGiGcBvXQQ5ZDqUIderTudAYicR17ISc5JvBGflzvFOBuh4XVWcQNJwwlSp2BKBNyJxenDkHZWoEKNVEK3J84OHZIOe0ziHEcwd9Ykgb6QWkigq_nB7wgukLPC7qAliSL_zyUexDCqlG9K6n2n9gAaZx_i9-IzZYb3z-EdMkCDfDI2gMF-03jfLGxVZCJKZX-fW8zjxt4OEKw7cIHbN5Rh2fPWl7U0zJmx-GkN9DWrkw-YcynXmC8kTi3NdvrN99Anel-OTNaqrFoWZn0y7phdO2-ykk4tP1EGyDfpj1orNfsVj6wHHQopczQd7_Kdrw3f1Xipo3BEcGjWPaSIsGvKc0Krzuz53f86mMVaMj1Y6E2f9_KhOymjSUtDnp6YDf3xgJLg9I4FzcppeXq0M3t3t2txz0bCJOx7LH1lc3goQrCqCKmmQbeAs7WWFIVZIdeShd2mrfrMazt8y7bo-Hw4NOrxGbBJe9h3bfWcauwvWxtJrk9yTqkb_mBzGS2X2lT=w1640-h1508-no)Show Image(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/OpIFAb9HocpU5lFVZltWsT4-MGEnEP5IEEv3ifbPbbJzj5RmIZDR1mzhTO586NSQ017CAdPKZ577PE16-8JDp4efvRZHtgJpj8BXSNCToJlMxxv3vbYjTroiekoKJNubQ-UlilnmvAwgJinfN8WOzSQU0QXo0gp8hncTHnvLUZZiDX30miDVuemjFh_2QLpWc5Il-YcghlNsuSawwC44VYsW7qi1vPDnyszOOMjUpUSxO3hvYHsL47MoSMiFVqJIron3CqcNvxrlbzBVgq5MNzT9aZ0gOAreuou7WkiRuPMyj3iG0cdiahjWP-TatDdCo5j57xdaRyVuObG_Kg2YvnhRWhLytPjUWXjY_S1ezvZa6ka0n0WjF5E-V2Nn50dTj1XVhdcYGUOh8FV4vyo53olo53f_gr10Xd19BRCU_mOsVA7qi5ASbBvWXqKwhTtD3ZVpJVyT_H4qf8khjAqPRAGjVXon0t8_K4_WZk3d8D7baRbXQ2SaQPzT1yp1ccu6KGYZS57T9SQKEeJ9B2Yh_8NxTaJIAumppRjz1VYy6NvAvRSDcgkEUenQZK2z1GpTaNmOdWUu1y9CuFxpxqbVuIIF2JpPAhrVnBpYPDNZJXm8ZsxbfyBRvCHb=w2740-h1090-no)
EDIT: not sure why the images are not loading inline or at least nor for me. If you click they will show up I'll work on fixing that.
EDIT: Fixed, didnt like using the google short names for some reason.
Looks good, your '\|' key is upside down though! =)
I got a shipping notification, not sure if it's both sets or just 1 (I ordered Alps then added MX a week later)
Still gotta build my boards for Alps to fit, although I might stick the MX set on my Norbatouch (Brushed Blue case)
Good Call, never fails there is always one key I'll mess up.
Post by: yokken on Mon, 31 July 2017, 15:58:22
Post by: ac2531 on Mon, 31 July 2017, 15:59:26
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I present to you... DSA Lightcycle installed on a ps2avrGB board.
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EDIT: not sure why the images are not loading inline or at least nor for me. If you click they will show up I'll work on fixing that.
EDIT: Fixed, didnt like using the google short names for some reason.
Here I am, furiously refreshing my Gmail tab to see if I've gotten a shipping notification, and you've already got your caps...something, something, patience is a virtue, blah, blah...
Your board looks great!
Post by: zslane on Mon, 31 July 2017, 16:06:53
Imgur compressed this to hell and back, so I uploaded it here. Please excuse the poor quality, it's overcast so the light isn't great and the shadows/highlights make it really difficult to show the colors of the set accurately, especially with the gray throwing off white balance. But that said... here's LightCycle on the Titan Grey TX-CP.
That looks simply awesome, yokken. Well done! :thumb:
Post by: jKaw on Mon, 31 July 2017, 16:07:23
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Post by: evangs on Mon, 31 July 2017, 17:00:19
Here I am, furiously refreshing my Gmail tab to see if I've gotten a shipping notification, and you've already got your caps...something, something, patience is a virtue, blah, blah...
Your board looks great!
I'll be packing a bunch more orders tonight, goal is to have 100% shipped by tomorrow night :D
Post by: Sparkyman215 on Mon, 31 July 2017, 17:15:01
I'll be packing a bunch more orders tonight, goal is to have 100% shipped by tomorrow night :D
Awesome! Thanks so much ;D
Post by: kawasaki161 on Mon, 31 July 2017, 17:44:54
Here I am, furiously refreshing my Gmail tab to see if I've gotten a shipping notification, and you've already got your caps...something, something, patience is a virtue, blah, blah...
Your board looks great!
I'll be packing a bunch more orders tonight, goal is to have 100% shipped by tomorrow night :D
Can't wait to get the letter from the customs office telling me to come pick it up because they, again, were too lazy to do the work themselves and have me drive to the other end of the city, because of their incompetence, stealing 2-4 hours of my time. :thumb:
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 01 August 2017, 11:32:49
According to tracking this wasn't picked up yet, if that's the case, can you put it on hold and ship it together with the Bananasplit? That would save me a whole trip to the customs office which is, like I said, at the other end of the city.
If it's too late it can't be helped ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Post by: evangs on Tue, 01 August 2017, 11:53:26
Just got my shipping notification. Also remembered that I've got a Bananasplit on order.
According to tracking this wasn't picked up yet, if that's the case, can you put it on hold and ship it together with the Bananasplit? That would save me a whole trip to the customs office which is, like I said, at the other end of the city.
If it's too late it can't be helped ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It it's not picked up by USPS when I get home I can give it a shot, but it's pretty likely they will have swung by before I get home.
Post by: zslane on Tue, 01 August 2017, 12:09:35
I may be able to salvage it a little, but the stabilized keys will forever have reduced key travel thanks to the minor incompatibility between MX stab inserts and Matias stab wires. Had I known they would bind the way they do, I would have tried to bend the stab wires a bit ahead of time to ease matters, but there's no fixing that now. You can't remove these keycaps once they are installed (the stem will simply break off from the inside of the keycap before the keycap will ever come free from the switch).
Case in point: the "U" key stem bent/broke while I was trying to install it, and I had to glue it back into place. Hopefully it will still work after the glue has solidified. Also, one of the 1.25u Recognizers broke from its stem completely when I tried to remove the key, so now I have to try and glue it to the bit of stem that is forever stuck in the switch slider.
I knew going into this that I'd never be able to remove the keycaps once they were installed, but I didn't think I'd need to even try. I shouldn't have tried with that Recognizer keycap and I've paid the price.
Lastly, I didn't pay close enough attention to the fact that the first DIP switch on the board is covered/inaccessible once placed into the Lambo case. The access port for the DIP switches is designed for five or fewer switches, not six, and naturally the one I need to change can't be reached. So I need to remove the board from the case so I can flip that switch (I need the Caps Lock key to become an FN key), and so I can better align the board in the case. Currently, it is too close to the left side, posing binding problems for keys like that 1.25u Recognizer key in the Ctrl position. Of course, it is very difficult getting to the tiny screws because the keycaps are in the way, so re-casing may work out or it may not.
What a mess...
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 01 August 2017, 12:14:08
Even if they already picked it up, thanks for your effort.Just got my shipping notification. Also remembered that I've got a Bananasplit on order.
According to tracking this wasn't picked up yet, if that's the case, can you put it on hold and ship it together with the Bananasplit? That would save me a whole trip to the customs office which is, like I said, at the other end of the city.
If it's too late it can't be helped ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It it's not picked up by USPS when I get home I can give it a shot, but it's pretty likely they will have swung by before I get home.
Post by: evangs on Tue, 01 August 2017, 12:32:52
Well, I was hoping to post a photo of my KPB V60 mini with my shiny new LightCycle DSA keycaps installed, but the whole process was an unmitigated disaster. I wasn't inclined to buy another Alps/Matias-based keyboard before this debacle, but I am adamant about avoiding them now.
I may be able to salvage it a little, but the stabilized keys will forever have reduced key travel thanks to the minor incompatibility between MX stab inserts and Matias stab wires. Had I known they would bind the way they do, I would have tried to bend the stab wires a bit ahead of time to ease matters, but there's no fixing that now. You can't remove these keycaps once they are installed (the stem will simply break off from the inside of the keycap before the keycap will ever come free from the switch).
Case in point: the "U" key stem bent/broke while I was trying to install it, and I had to glue it back into place. Hopefully it will still work after the glue has solidified. Also, one of the 1.25u Recognizers broke from its stem completely when I tried to remove the key, so now I have to try and glue it to the bit of stem that is forever stuck in the switch slider.
I knew going into this that I'd never be able to remove the keycaps once they were installed, but I didn't think I'd need to even try. I shouldn't have tried with that Recognizer keycap and I've paid the price.
Lastly, I didn't pay close enough attention to the fact that the first DIP switch on the board is covered/inaccessible once placed into the Lambo case. The access port for the DIP switches is designed for five or fewer switches, not six, and naturally the one I need to change can't be reached. So I need to remove the board from the case so I can flip that switch (I need the Caps Lock key to become an FN key), and so I can better align the board in the case. Currently, it is too close to the left side, posing binding problems for keys like that 1.25u Recognizer key in the Ctrl position. Of course, it is very difficult getting to the tiny screws because the keycaps are in the way, so re-casing may work out or it may not.
What a mess...
this sounds awful. I had to remove a cap after I had attached it and going very slowly I was able to without breaking it, but I went in with the expectation to not remove them. I may have an extra set I can send you after the rest of the orders go out. Double shot alps keys probably isn't the best idea as it seems there isn't enough strength on the stem. This as well as similar reports from the MiniVan only set has me seriously considering not running the alps set again on round 2
Post by: zslane on Tue, 01 August 2017, 12:44:47
Post by: evangs on Tue, 01 August 2017, 12:47:56
I appreciate the offer! The only key that might need replacing is the "U" key (if my repair job isn't strong enough to survive insertion into the switch slider). The 1.25u Recognizer is strictly a glue-on job at this point since there is an irremovable piece of stem stuck in the switch, so having a replacement keycap wouldn't help.
alright, well keep me posted on the repair.
Post by: Blazestorm on Tue, 01 August 2017, 12:50:46
What I saw w/ AEK caps is the stem is more like an octagon than a rectangle, so the corners are trimmed in a bit. That's my plan for these sets... just shave off the corner a bit.
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 01 August 2017, 13:30:48
Post by: evangs on Tue, 01 August 2017, 13:44:42
So do you guys think if we shave off of the corners a decent amount that we'll have better success with the alps caps? I haven't received my shipping notice yet, but I should probably look at selling these off on r/mm if you think modding won't help.
only if you need to remove them. I also realized they are talking about matias switches. I have my alps caps on old alps switches and didn't have issues pushing them in so they may not be as tight. If you are dealing with Matias then you may want to try shaving them down, but if that is too scary then yeah you might just want to sell them :/
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 01 August 2017, 14:13:17
So do you guys think if we shave off of the corners a decent amount that we'll have better success with the alps caps? I haven't received my shipping notice yet, but I should probably look at selling these off on r/mm if you think modding won't help.
only if you need to remove them. I also realized they are talking about matias switches. I have my alps caps on old alps switches and didn't have issues pushing them in so they may not be as tight. If you are dealing with Matias then you may want to try shaving them down, but if that is too scary then yeah you might just want to sell them :/
Okay, I'm totally down for modding them if that will do the trick. I probably only need to remove them for reasons like evagns said... recasing or fixing stabilizers. So, is there a guide anywhere to how people are shaving them? Is it just the scraping the corners with an xacto?
If no one is sure, I wouldn't mind picking up some white Alps and just swapping out the matias switches in my V60. However, I've never looked into buying alps (past matias), so I'm not sure where to source them. Ideas?
Post by: evangs on Tue, 01 August 2017, 14:34:29
So do you guys think if we shave off of the corners a decent amount that we'll have better success with the alps caps? I haven't received my shipping notice yet, but I should probably look at selling these off on r/mm if you think modding won't help.
only if you need to remove them. I also realized they are talking about matias switches. I have my alps caps on old alps switches and didn't have issues pushing them in so they may not be as tight. If you are dealing with Matias then you may want to try shaving them down, but if that is too scary then yeah you might just want to sell them :/
Okay, I'm totally down for modding them if that will do the trick. I probably only need to remove them for reasons like evagns said... recasing or fixing stabilizers. So, is there a guide anywhere to how people are shaving them? Is it just the scraping the corners with an xacto?
If no one is sure, I wouldn't mind picking up some white Alps and just swapping out the matias switches in my V60. However, I've never looked into buying alps (past matias), so I'm not sure where to source them. Ideas?
vintage boards. deskthority has a good listing of what boards to look for. they are getting harder and hard to source though. black alps from old dell boards are probably the easiest to find.
Post by: Kavik on Tue, 01 August 2017, 16:02:03
Well, I was hoping to post a photo of my KPB V60 mini with my shiny new LightCycle DSA keycaps installed, but the whole process was an unmitigated disaster. I wasn't inclined to buy another Alps/Matias-based keyboard before this debacle, but I am adamant about avoiding them now.
I may be able to salvage it a little, but the stabilized keys will forever have reduced key travel thanks to the minor incompatibility between MX stab inserts and Matias stab wires. Had I known they would bind the way they do, I would have tried to bend the stab wires a bit ahead of time to ease matters, but there's no fixing that now. You can't remove these keycaps once they are installed (the stem will simply break off from the inside of the keycap before the keycap will ever come free from the switch).
Case in point: the "U" key stem bent/broke while I was trying to install it, and I had to glue it back into place. Hopefully it will still work after the glue has solidified. Also, one of the 1.25u Recognizers broke from its stem completely when I tried to remove the key, so now I have to try and glue it to the bit of stem that is forever stuck in the switch slider.
I knew going into this that I'd never be able to remove the keycaps once they were installed, but I didn't think I'd need to even try. I shouldn't have tried with that Recognizer keycap and I've paid the price.
Lastly, I didn't pay close enough attention to the fact that the first DIP switch on the board is covered/inaccessible once placed into the Lambo case. The access port for the DIP switches is designed for five or fewer switches, not six, and naturally the one I need to change can't be reached. So I need to remove the board from the case so I can flip that switch (I need the Caps Lock key to become an FN key), and so I can better align the board in the case. Currently, it is too close to the left side, posing binding problems for keys like that 1.25u Recognizer key in the Ctrl position. Of course, it is very difficult getting to the tiny screws because the keycaps are in the way, so re-casing may work out or it may not.
What a mess...
That is disheartening. I am going to be putting mine on a KBP V80. I had planned on shaving the stems just to be on the safe side. Would taking cherry stab wires from a donor board prevent the other problem, you reckon? I have a board or two I could borrow from if needed.
Post by: eksuen on Tue, 01 August 2017, 16:27:18
So do you guys think if we shave off of the corners a decent amount that we'll have better success with the alps caps? I haven't received my shipping notice yet, but I should probably look at selling these off on r/mm if you think modding won't help.
only if you need to remove them. I also realized they are talking about matias switches. I have my alps caps on old alps switches and didn't have issues pushing them in so they may not be as tight. If you are dealing with Matias then you may want to try shaving them down, but if that is too scary then yeah you might just want to sell them :/
Okay, I'm totally down for modding them if that will do the trick. I probably only need to remove them for reasons like evagns said... recasing or fixing stabilizers. So, is there a guide anywhere to how people are shaving them? Is it just the scraping the corners with an xacto?
If no one is sure, I wouldn't mind picking up some white Alps and just swapping out the matias switches in my V60. However, I've never looked into buying alps (past matias), so I'm not sure where to source them. Ideas?
Shaving the SP stems to fit into Matias switches was heavily discussed in the Alpine Winter thread as well as as on the first two or three pages of this thread. Here's my post from the first page.
2. I don't know what the correct terminology is but there is supposed to be extra "crap" that needs to be removed with an exacto knife on the stem. Do you (or anyone) have pictures of what exactly needs to be cut from the stem?
I have the Alpine Winter set, which is an Alps set also made by SP. There isn't "extra" material. It's just that the Alps stems that come out of SP's molds fit really tightly in Matias switches. If you never plan to remove the caps once installed, you will not have to shave the corners. If you want to be able to remove the caps without risking damage to the caps or switches, you should shave the corners of the stems prior to installing the caps. All you have to do is take a blade and run it along the corners of the stem a few times so the corners become a bit "rounded".Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ISbu2bM.png)
Removing material from the corners will allow the caps to be installed and removed more easily. The degree of ease depends on how much you shave off the stems. Be wary though, if you shave off too much, the caps can come off quite easily. None of my caps will fall off if I flip my board upside down, but for better or worse, some of them can be removed with very little effort. It's possible that some might say they aren't tight enough, so just a word of caution.
Post by: zslane on Tue, 01 August 2017, 16:44:35
Post by: eksuen on Tue, 01 August 2017, 17:05:17
You might try normal MX stab wires, but they may not fit. I think they might be too thick for one thing. And they definitely won't fit the 2.75u Shift key. For that key I didn't even use a stab wire at all (I don't use that key so it doesn't really matter).
I had a V60MTS and I ended up bending the existing wire to fit the stab positions on the SP caps. I also filed down the stab wire holder a little to give the wire a little more clearance since it was bent to an acute angle.
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 01 August 2017, 17:10:33
You might try normal MX stab wires, but they may not fit. I think they might be too thick for one thing. And they definitely won't fit the 2.75u Shift key. For that key I didn't even use a stab wire at all (I don't use that key so it doesn't really matter).
I had a V60MTS and I ended up bending the existing wire to fit the stab positions on the SP caps. I also filed down the stab wire holder a little to give the wire a little more clearance since it was bent to an acute angle.
So how does DSA feel on the Matias switches?
Post by: eksuen on Tue, 01 August 2017, 17:13:34
You might try normal MX stab wires, but they may not fit. I think they might be too thick for one thing. And they definitely won't fit the 2.75u Shift key. For that key I didn't even use a stab wire at all (I don't use that key so it doesn't really matter).
I had a V60MTS and I ended up bending the existing wire to fit the stab positions on the SP caps. I also filed down the stab wire holder a little to give the wire a little more clearance since it was bent to an acute angle.
So how does DSA feel on the Matias switches?
I don't know. I sold that board. I have only used SP's DCS caps on Matias switches. Overall, I'm not really a fan of typing on DSA.
Post by: zslane on Tue, 01 August 2017, 17:17:08
So how does DSA feel on the Matias switches?
I can only speak for myself, but these DSA keycaps feel way better than the Tai Hao Dolch keycaps I had on before.
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 01 August 2017, 17:19:11
So how does DSA feel on the Matias switches?
I can only speak for myself, but these DSA keycaps feel way better than the Tai Hao Dolch keycaps I had on before.
Good to hear it. I'm going to do my best to get them to work on the v60. Just going with the stock black case and I'll call that a day. Should look beautiful, just worried about getting the damn stabilizers right. I have a ton of MX stabilizers and one extra full set from Matias. We'll see what I can do with them
Post by: zslane on Tue, 01 August 2017, 17:40:14
The Lambo case is a huge upgrade from the cheap plastic case that the V60 comes in. I further improved it by putting strips of sorbothane acoustic dampening rubber in the case before placing the board into it. Not that Matias switches really need dampening (they are dampened internally already), but every little bit helps, and the extra weight (of both the aluminum and the sorbothane--which is suprisingly heavy) makes the board feel that much more stable and impressive.
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 01 August 2017, 17:47:01
I hope you have much better success with the stabilizers than I did. But to be fair, I just assumed perfect compatibility, which was probably foolish on my part.
The Lambo case is a huge upgrade from the cheap plastic case that the V60 comes in. I further improved it by putting strips of sorbothane acoustic dampening rubber in the case before placing the board into it. Not that Matias switches really need dampening (they are dampened internally already), but every little bit helps, and the extra weight (of both the aluminum and the sorbothane--which is suprisingly heavy) makes the board feel that much more stable and impressive.
Can you explain better how you would fix them if you did it again? You mentioned bending them
Post by: the pokemon kid on Tue, 01 August 2017, 17:56:21
You just have to go in with the knowledge that you have to mod the stems from SP. There's no way around it right now, until SP creates a new stem mold that fits Matias switches better. I checked the new Matias batch w/ my 40% Lightcycle and it was super tight, so I didn't force it.
What I saw w/ AEK caps is the stem is more like an octagon than a rectangle, so the corners are trimmed in a bit. That's my plan for these sets... just shave off the corner a bit.
What is the fitment with Alps Keycaps like? I have got some Amber alps that these are going onto and I am now super worried I am going to damage the caps!
Post by: zslane on Tue, 01 August 2017, 18:50:37
Can you explain better how you would fix them if you did it again? You mentioned bending them
The problem is that the vertical "arms" of the stab wire are a tiny bit too tall. As a result they push against the "forward" wall of the MX stab insert and prevent the key from going down all the way smoothly. I would bend the arms in (towards the center of the keycap) a little bit, reducing their effective vertical length by a fraction of a millimeter (I would also have to counter-bend the arm ends "up" so they aren't angling down). That small reduction in length might just be enough to eliminate the binding. But I will never know.
Post by: zslane on Tue, 01 August 2017, 18:57:46
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Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 01 August 2017, 18:58:13
Can you explain better how you would fix them if you did it again? You mentioned bending them
The problem is that the vertical "arms" of the stab wire are a tiny bit too tall. As a result they push against the "forward" wall of the MX stab insert and prevent the key from going down all the way smoothly. I would bend the arms in (towards the center of the keycap) a little bit, reducing their effective vertical length by a fraction of a millimeter (I would also have to counter-bend the arm ends "up" so they aren't angling down). That small reduction in length might just be enough to eliminate the binding. But I will never know.
Okay I think I understand what you are saying. Thanks for sharing. I'll update when I get my set. Still not sure why I don't even have a shipping notice yet. Just have to be patient
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 01 August 2017, 18:58:47
Here, a diagram might help:
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Nice. Yep that's what I was thinking you were saying
Post by: Valzaan on Wed, 02 August 2017, 08:04:11
Post by: dante on Wed, 02 August 2017, 08:22:52
Stick with MX and you'll be happy man.
Post by: Valzaan on Wed, 02 August 2017, 09:47:03
Valzaan: It is not a problem with MX. The stems on the Alps caps may need to have extra plastic cut but even then the caps are a tight fit.
Stick with MX and you'll be happy man.
Awesome, thank you for clarifying that. Now here is hoping I can snag one of the MX extras since I missed the group buy. :thumb:
Post by: zslane on Wed, 02 August 2017, 12:37:37
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Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 02 August 2017, 12:40:36
Otherwise, definitely an awesome set evangs! WTG!
Post by: zslane on Wed, 02 August 2017, 12:47:58
Not sure if I missed it, but I see that we have extra F and J keys (thanks for that :thumb: ) but...I don't see any deep dish for homing. If it was not part of the design, that's cool, but if SP messed up, well here is my complaint.
Otherwise, definitely an awesome set evangs! WTG!
This set provides homing bumps instead of deep dishing.
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 02 August 2017, 12:55:49
Not sure if I missed it, but I see that we have extra F and J keys (thanks for that :thumb: ) but...I don't see any deep dish for homing. If it was not part of the design, that's cool, but if SP messed up, well here is my complaint.
Otherwise, definitely an awesome set evangs! WTG!
This set provides homing bumps instead of deep dishing.
Thought so. I am glad to have the non-homing keys to replace. So, all in all I am extremely happy and grateful for this set!
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 02 August 2017, 13:25:01
So I was able to fix up my V60 mini with the judicious application of a little glue and very careful re-casing. The Recognizer key in the L-Ctrl position sits higher than the other keys after the gluing. The stabilized keys sit a little higher because of the binding issue with the stab wires. But I was able to set the DIP switches the way I want and the keyboard works fine, though the lack of full key travel on the Return key feels odd.
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Looks pretty sweet. Glad you were able to get it fixed up!
Post by: zslane on Wed, 02 August 2017, 14:22:09
Post by: evangs on Wed, 02 August 2017, 21:14:44
Thank you everyone for the support and helping to make this set a reality!
I have tons of alps compat kits left. If you bought an alps base and would like to pick up a compat kit they are available on the site.
Post by: TheDisappointingGatsby on Thu, 03 August 2017, 08:29:10
Post by: the pokemon kid on Thu, 03 August 2017, 13:02:24
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Thu, 03 August 2017, 13:05:44
All orders have been packed and shipped. If you haven't gotten a shipping notice and think you should have, please email me (thevankeyboards@gmail.com) with your order number and I can take a look.
Thank you everyone for the support and helping to make this set a reality!
I have tons of alps compat kits left. If you bought an alps base and would like to pick up a compat kit they are available on the site.
Any MX leftovers?
Post by: evangs on Thu, 03 August 2017, 13:30:19
All orders have been packed and shipped. If you haven't gotten a shipping notice and think you should have, please email me (thevankeyboards@gmail.com) with your order number and I can take a look.
Thank you everyone for the support and helping to make this set a reality!
I have tons of alps compat kits left. If you bought an alps base and would like to pick up a compat kit they are available on the site.
Any MX leftovers?
a few, I want to let everyone get their orders and take care of any issues/replacements that come up before listing them.
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Thu, 03 August 2017, 13:40:42
All orders have been packed and shipped. If you haven't gotten a shipping notice and think you should have, please email me (thevankeyboards@gmail.com) with your order number and I can take a look.
Thank you everyone for the support and helping to make this set a reality!
I have tons of alps compat kits left. If you bought an alps base and would like to pick up a compat kit they are available on the site.
Any MX leftovers?
a few, I want to let everyone get their orders and take care of any issues/replacements that come up before listing them.
Sounds good! :thumb:
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 03 August 2017, 18:33:15
So I was able to fix up my V60 mini with the judicious application of a little glue and very careful re-casing. The Recognizer key in the L-Ctrl position sits higher than the other keys after the gluing. The stabilized keys sit a little higher because of the binding issue with the stab wires. But I was able to set the DIP switches the way I want and the keyboard works fine, though the lack of full key travel on the Return key feels odd.
It looks great, if that's any consolation. You did a great job in the looks department.
Post by: zslane on Thu, 03 August 2017, 18:40:48
I think it will end up being a pretty usable keyboard once my new USB->Bluetooth converter arrives...
Post by: Kavik on Fri, 04 August 2017, 11:12:28
Post by: E.E.L. Ambiense on Fri, 04 August 2017, 11:17:27
Post by: ac2531 on Fri, 04 August 2017, 15:47:21
Caps arrived this morning! I drilled out the stabs on my 87u, now I need to figure out the spacebar situation.
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 04 August 2017, 16:01:01
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Caps arrived this morning! I drilled out the stabs on my 87u, now I need to figure out the spacebar situation.
That looks amazing
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 04 August 2017, 16:16:52
Edit: ooops sp
Post by: evangs on Fri, 04 August 2017, 16:21:50
You should run GMK Lightspeed :O. I need tron keps
I'm thinking about it. I might go straight to XYZ LightCycle though ;)
Post by: amnesia0287 on Fri, 04 August 2017, 16:29:34
Post by: Kavik on Fri, 04 August 2017, 19:22:30
I've been cutting and/or sanding the stems with good results, taking each one off after seating it to make sure I've shaved it down enough that it comes back out easily. I might try making the stems shorter too. I think part of the weakness is that they are a tad too long and also unsupported (no cross support at the base like the tai hao caps).
I disassembled the switch and am currently trying to get the stem out of the slider so that I might save the switch and possibly cap.
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 04 August 2017, 19:47:55
I managed to seat ten caps before breaking a stem. :(
I've been cutting and/or sanding the stems with good results, taking each one off after seating it to make sure I've shaved it down enough that it comes back out easily. I might try making the stems shorter too. I think part of the weakness is that they are a tad too long and also unsupported (no cross support at the base like the tai hao caps).
I disassembled the switch and am currently trying to get the stem out of the slider so that I might save the switch and possibly cap.
Damnit, dude that sucks. I'm so scared to put mine on. Suppposes to get them tomorrow. I don't need to ever remove them, but I'm sure I won't get the stabilizers right on the forst try. I guess I'll just shave them down a lot. Rather them fall off than break. I suppose if you shave too much you could try the plastic wrap trick like with loose stabilizer inserts
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 04 August 2017, 19:57:31
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 04 August 2017, 20:56:18
At this point I'm actually considering picking up an alps64 PCB and some old alps switches. At least then I wouldn't have to worry about getting the stabilizers bent correctly with only one shot. Are we certain that the fit issue is only with Matias switches?
Post by: evangs on Fri, 04 August 2017, 21:24:57
So is there anyone out there using the alps kits on Matias switches that hasn't broken the caps? If so, speak up :D
At this point I'm actually considering picking up an alps64 PCB and some old alps switches. At least then I wouldn't have to worry about getting the stabilizers bent correctly with only one shot. Are we certain that the fit issue is only with Matias switches?
They fit perfect on cherry stabs
Post by: Kavik on Fri, 04 August 2017, 22:39:20
So is there anyone out there using the alps kits on Matias switches that hasn't broken the caps? If so, speak up :D
At this point I'm actually considering picking up an alps64 PCB and some old alps switches. At least then I wouldn't have to worry about getting the stabilizers bent correctly with only one shot. Are we certain that the fit issue is only with Matias switches?
I managed to get the broken stem out of the slider. I had to squish the end of the stem that was sticking out with pliers to yank it out. I sanded off the squished part and have glued it back to the keycap. The stem is shorter now, but hopefully it'll still work once the glue is dry.
Regarding Matias switches, as long as you cut enough and completely smooth out the corners, you should be able to feel that the cap isn't going to get stuck as you push it in. If it sticks too much, don't push it down all the way and pull it back out to work on it some more. Trust me: you won't have to worry about their being too loose. They'll still be tight in there but removable (make sure you pull straight up and don't wiggle them when removing them).
One word of caution: certain caps have very susceptible stems that will break/bend even when you apply pressure to cut or sand them. It appears to be related to the amount of the second shot plastic; examples are the number row keys since they have two legends requiring more second shot plastic (my theory at least).
Hope that helps.
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 06 August 2017, 02:38:20
I would just tell anyone planning to put these on a V60 to avoid it. I mean, I'm up for a challenge, but I have many other precious boards if this goes South. Ha
The only problem I have has so far besides the stabilizers is the light cycle caps novelty. Apparently the stem is like 1/2 a mm shifted to the left, so the cap rubs on the edge of my v60. This doesn't happen when i use the Regular caps lock key, so I'll probably just use that one
I agree with Kavik that some of the stems are just weak. You can feel them flex just by pushing on them. So, be careful, kiddos.
Post by: E.E.L. Ambiense on Sun, 06 August 2017, 16:28:03
Went ahead and filled out my new gaming daily-driver: iKBC F87, modded plate to fit inside a Lambo 87 shell and modded shell to fit the F87's USB breakout connector on bottom side of deck. RGB Blacks desoldered and stem-swapped with Silent Blacks along with SPRiT 65g springs, and lubed.
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 06 August 2017, 16:41:53
The problem with using costar stabilizer inserts is that they are too tall. You cannot ever get the keycap seated all the way down bc they bottom out first. To fix this, spend an hour or so shaving about 1/2 of the insert backing off. Works like a charm now. I'm talking about the rectangle section of the stab insert. Shave the thick back side down.
The way they double shot the larger mods leaves a ridge running under one cruciform post. This usually wouldn't be an issue, BUT, bc of the previous issue, it's really easy to see that one side of the modifier sticks up higher. Easy solution, hold insert with pliers a shave the cruciform stem to make it shorter.
Wish me luck. Should be done tomorrow and I'll post pics!
Post by: Shados on Sun, 06 August 2017, 19:00:09
The way they double shot the larger mods leaves a ridge running under one cruciform post. This usually wouldn't be an issue, BUT, bc of the previous issue, it's really easy to see that one side of the modifier sticks up higher. Easy solution, hold insert with pliers a shave the cruciform stem to make it shorter.
Just so you know, they actually double-shot MX DSA caps the same way, at least for the left shift key.
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 06 August 2017, 19:50:46
The way they double shot the larger mods leaves a ridge running under one cruciform post. This usually wouldn't be an issue, BUT, bc of the previous issue, it's really easy to see that one side of the modifier sticks up higher. Easy solution, hold insert with pliers a shave the cruciform stem to make it shorter.
Just so you know, they actually double-shot MX DSA caps the same way, at least for the left shift key.
Figured they did. It's a bit disappointing that they try to cut corners even with custom orders. And in this case it actually effects the functionality of the keycap. I'm happy with this set just because I love Tron and I love this colorway.
Post by: zslane on Sun, 06 August 2017, 22:22:18
Post by: evangs on Sun, 06 August 2017, 23:45:47
The way they double shot the larger mods leaves a ridge running under one cruciform post. This usually wouldn't be an issue, BUT, bc of the previous issue, it's really easy to see that one side of the modifier sticks up higher. Easy solution, hold insert with pliers a shave the cruciform stem to make it shorter.
Just so you know, they actually double-shot MX DSA caps the same way, at least for the left shift key.
This is my biggest complaint with the DSA profile by SP. they need to fix the 2xx stabilized keys. I've noticed that bar running through the stabilizer mount on multiple sets.
Post by: nightdriver on Mon, 07 August 2017, 00:05:50
Post by: evangs on Mon, 07 August 2017, 02:12:34
just got these installed on my keyboard. it's my first DSA set and i'm honestly enjoying typing on them more than i expected to. do they usually have this rough finish to them?
Yes. Im glad you're going enjoying them!
Post by: zslane on Mon, 07 August 2017, 11:44:56
just got these installed on my keyboard. it's my first DSA set and i'm honestly enjoying typing on them more than i expected to. do they usually have this rough finish to them?
Yes, that is SP's matte finish and it is typical of DSA sets.
Post by: Kavik on Mon, 07 August 2017, 19:05:29
I'm happy to report that I'm about 3/4 through the process of shaving the stems. Once I got used to the process it's gone faster. I'm confident the caps are not too tight. However... holy balls, the stabilizers are a nightmare. I managed to finally get one about 90% right after an hour.
I would just tell anyone planning to put these on a V60 to avoid it. I mean, I'm up for a challenge, but I have many other precious boards if this goes South. Ha
The only problem I have has so far besides the stabilizers is the light cycle caps novelty. Apparently the stem is like 1/2 a mm shifted to the left, so the cap rubs on the edge of my v60. This doesn't happen when i use the Regular caps lock key, so I'll probably just use that one
I agree with Kavik that some of the stems are just weak. You can feel them flex just by pushing on them. So, be careful, kiddos.
How did you go about adjusting the stabilizer wires? I tried Zslane's suggestion on the enter key's stab wire, but the problem is twofold: 1. the ends of the wire now contact the switch, so they don't go down to the plate and 2. the extra bend in the joint doesn't allow the wire to snap into the stab mount on the plate because it's designed for a 90 degree bend. I'm not sure if the ends of the wires are low enough anyway after the modification.
I tried using a wire from a Cherry MX costar stab, but they're significantly shorter side-to-side, so it doesn't even reach the stab mounts. I'm really not sure how to get the stabilized keys on here. I'm doing this on a V80, so I'm assuming it's the same as a V60.
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 07 August 2017, 19:13:02
It helps to have two sets of pliers in hand, one of them needle nosed to help with bends. They are a ***** to cut. I think I ruined my cutters they were so hard.
Only have 3 caps left to put on. Of course now the T key has developed serious chatter... all the luck. I tried to disassemble and fix it but it didn't really help. Now I'm in the process of swapping it out with the right alt key since I don't use it much.
Post by: Kavik on Mon, 07 August 2017, 19:49:22
First I straightened the top bends of the stabilizers. Then I rebent them at a shorter height. I had to clip a very small amount off of each end to keep it from hitting the switch, as you have noticed for yourself.
It helps to have two sets of pliers in hand, one of them needle nosed to help with bends. They are a ***** to cut. I think I ruined my cutters they were so hard.
Only have 3 caps left to put on. Of course now the T key has developed serious chatter... all the luck. I tried to disassemble and fix it but it didn't really help. Now I'm in the process of swapping it out with the right alt key since I don't use it much.
Ah, that makes sense. I will try that. I will try using a dremel to cut the end of the wire instead of wire cutters.
My V80 developed chatter on the left arrow key a few months back. Since it was under warranty, I sent it back, and it took like six weeks to get back. :confused: Should've just ordered some Matias switches. Anyway, that's one reason I want to make sure these caps are removable. I don't plan on taking them off, but I may need to service the keyboard in the future.
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 07 August 2017, 21:45:45
Pics:
http://imgur.com/a/FeekM
Post by: evangs on Tue, 08 August 2017, 08:45:33
Okay, got her done. Man, what a challenge. Totally worth it though. DSA is my favorite profile and it feels SO much better than the OEM Tai Hao profile. Thanks for making this set a reality, Evangs.
Pics:
http://imgur.com/a/FeekM
damn that end result though! very nice board it looks wonderful. Thanks for the support and helping to make this set a reality ;D
Post by: Kavik on Tue, 08 August 2017, 18:54:07
First I straightened the top bends of the stabilizers. Then I rebent them at a shorter height. I had to clip a very small amount off of each end to keep it from hitting the switch, as you have noticed for yourself.
It helps to have two sets of pliers in hand, one of them needle nosed to help with bends. They are a ***** to cut. I think I ruined my cutters they were so hard.
Only have 3 caps left to put on. Of course now the T key has developed serious chatter... all the luck. I tried to disassemble and fix it but it didn't really help. Now I'm in the process of swapping it out with the right alt key since I don't use it much.
Ah, that makes sense. I will try that. I will try using a dremel to cut the end of the wire instead of wire cutters.
My V80 developed chatter on the left arrow key a few months back. Since it was under warranty, I sent it back, and it took like six weeks to get back. :confused: Should've just ordered some Matias switches. Anyway, that's one reason I want to make sure these caps are removable. I don't plan on taking them off, but I may need to service the keyboard in the future.
I got all the stabilized keys on. It was a pain, but all of them function pretty well except for the left shift. I really screwed up the wire on that one, so it feels mushy. Since the cherry stab stems/slider/male ends (?) fit loosely (they fell out once on the board), I cut small squares of ziplock bag to put between the cap and stab stem/slider to make the fit more snug.
In retrospect, I think it may have been easier to modify the ALPS stab stem/slider to fit in the MX cap stem by shaving it down to be thinner. I think that may have worked for all the keys except the right shift.
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 08 August 2017, 19:14:35
Post by: TheEerieCold on Tue, 08 August 2017, 19:44:17
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More http://imgur.com/a/NiYTR (http://imgur.com/a/NiYTR)
Post by: nightdriver on Wed, 09 August 2017, 14:21:10
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 09 August 2017, 14:22:54
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That is a thing of beauty!
Post by: zslane on Wed, 09 August 2017, 16:16:32
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 09 August 2017, 16:21:55
Is that the TKL version of the Lambo case?
Looks like it.
Post by: nightdriver on Wed, 09 August 2017, 17:08:07
Post by: Kavik on Fri, 11 August 2017, 21:03:40
Thanks Evangs for helping me out with my keycap troubles, and thanks for putting together such a damned good looking set! I love it.
EDIT: I forgot to mention how much DSA changes the sound and feel of the Matias clicks for the better vs the Tai Haos that it came with.
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 11 August 2017, 21:05:41
Finally finished my V80MTS: http://imgur.com/a/aydYf
Thanks Evangs for helping me out with my keycap troubles, and thanks for putting together such a damned good looking set! I love it.
Looks great!
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sat, 12 August 2017, 02:53:32
Post by: dante on Sat, 12 August 2017, 10:12:01
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 12 August 2017, 10:20:25
So if I understand correctly if you buy Matias wires/stabilizer pack you don't have to do any wire surgery to get these to work?
No, you will still have to modify the stabilizers. The problem is that the caps use cherry posts and they are further towards the main stem than alps stabilizer mounts. You can certainly do it, just takes patience and two sets of good pliers, probably at least one of which should be rounded/needle nosed
Post by: zslane on Sat, 12 August 2017, 11:51:49
Post by: kawasaki161 on Mon, 14 August 2017, 02:56:22
Were international orders declared at full value and had an invoice inside? I just want to make sure I don't look like an idiot when I'll have to pick it up.Soooo, I'll probably have to go there today or tomorrow and it would be great if I knew what's the case.
Post by: evangs on Mon, 14 August 2017, 12:22:05
Were international orders declared at full value and had an invoice inside? I just want to make sure I don't look like an idiot when I'll have to pick it up.Soooo, I'll probably have to go there today or tomorrow and it would be great if I knew what's the case.
full value, no invoice inside, only info is on the shipping label on the front
Post by: kawasaki161 on Mon, 14 August 2017, 12:28:50
Were international orders declared at full value and had an invoice inside? I just want to make sure I don't look like an idiot when I'll have to pick it up.Soooo, I'll probably have to go there today or tomorrow and it would be great if I knew what's the case.
full value, no invoice inside, only info is on the shipping label on the front
Thanks for the info.
For future shipments to germany it would be great if you could include an invoice in the box or even better on the outside (in theses glue-on plastic bag thingies like switchtop does it).
Apparently they started caring about that a lot recently and I had to go to the customs office very often lately because of that.
If there is an invoice inside they sometimes open it and do the customs stuff right away so I can get it delivered and pay at the door, if not, I at least don't have to bring a physical copy of my PayPal confirmation.
If there is an invoice on the outside though it's basically guaranteed that they will do the customs stuff for me so I can get it delivered and pay at the door.
Post by: evangs on Mon, 14 August 2017, 13:38:02
Were international orders declared at full value and had an invoice inside? I just want to make sure I don't look like an idiot when I'll have to pick it up.Soooo, I'll probably have to go there today or tomorrow and it would be great if I knew what's the case.
full value, no invoice inside, only info is on the shipping label on the front
Thanks for the info.
For future shipments to germany it would be great if you could include an invoice in the box or even better on the outside (in theses glue-on plastic bag thingies like switchtop does it).
Apparently they started caring about that a lot recently and I had to go to the customs office very often lately because of that.
If there is an invoice inside they sometimes open it and do the customs stuff right away so I can get it delivered and pay at the door, if not, I at least don't have to bring a physical copy of my PayPal confirmation.
If there is an invoice on the outside though it's basically guaranteed that they will do the customs stuff for me so I can get it delivered and pay at the door.
good to know, thanks for the info
Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 18 August 2017, 08:56:09
Well, enough whining, I'm missing the 1.5u? "Disk" key, the one that's not crossed out here:
(http://puu.sh/xdhNb/c4699616a3.png)
How would I go on about getting that (order #1907, btw)? Should I just shoot you an e-mail?
Post by: evangs on Fri, 18 August 2017, 15:12:04
Just picked mine up from the customs office, apparently keycaps count as plastic parts and have to be taxed differently from keyboards which are free from extra taxes (other than VAT), this extra 40€ ($47 as of right now) kinda made this an insanely expensive keyset :(
Well, enough whining, I'm missing the 1.5u? "Disk" key, the one that's not crossed out here:Show Image(http://puu.sh/xdhNb/c4699616a3.png)
How would I go on about getting that (order #1907, btw)? Should I just shoot you an e-mail?
I'm not sure I understand the extra tax, is there anyway around it??
this key failed to be produced. The good news is that I have already contacted SP and they have produced that key and they are currently on the way to me. I will be shipping those out as soon as they arrive.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 18 August 2017, 15:28:47
Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 18 August 2017, 15:46:02
I'm not sure I understand the extra tax, is there anyway around it??
There are two legal ways. Either if it's combined with other keyboard parts and not as an extra point on the invoice, or if it was under 150€ using the conversion rate at the day I picked it up (shipping counts towards the taxed price btw.), it was at ~151€ though, so I had top notch luck once again. (See my luck continuing on my BananaSplit tracking http://puu.sh/xdxOX/353024c2f4.png can't wait to see how that turns out)
this key failed to be produced. The good news is that I have already contacted SP and they have produced that key and they are currently on the way to me. I will be shipping those out as soon as they arrive.
Got it, thanks for the answer :thumb:
Post by: daaawooo on Sat, 19 August 2017, 07:29:33
apparently keycaps count as plastic parts and have to be taxed differently from keyboards which are free from extra taxesdamn, that's bad news ... I still have a few keycap sets from MD in the cue.
was the LightCycle-shipping a plastic bag, a paper bag or a real box ?
if it's combined with other keyboard parts and not as an extra point on the invoiceso in the future the sender should include a cheap resistor or diode with the keycap set and state it as "kit of computer parts" on the invoice ;-)
Post by: Blazestorm on Sat, 19 August 2017, 15:22:35
I'm not sure I understand the extra tax, is there anyway around it??
There are two legal ways. Either if it's combined with other keyboard parts and not as an extra point on the invoice, or if it was under 150€ using the conversion rate at the day I picked it up (shipping counts towards the taxed price btw.), it was at ~151€ though, so I had top notch luck once again. (See my luck continuing on my BananaSplit tracking http://puu.sh/xdxOX/353024c2f4.png can't wait to see how that turns out)this key failed to be produced. The good news is that I have already contacted SP and they have produced that key and they are currently on the way to me. I will be shipping those out as soon as they arrive.
Got it, thanks for the answer :thumb:
Seems like you should be taxed on only the amount over $150, not just when you pass that threshold.
i.e. you'd pay the tax on $1, not $151.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sat, 19 August 2017, 16:22:01
Ziplock bag in a small cardboard box.apparently keycaps count as plastic parts and have to be taxed differently from keyboards which are free from extra taxesdamn, that's bad news ... I still have a few keycap sets from MD in the cue.
was the LightCycle-shipping a plastic bag, a paper bag or a real box ?
Seems like you should be taxed on only the amount over $150, not just when you pass that threshold.
i.e. you'd pay the tax on $1, not $151.
Not in germany, they gotta get that sweet money somehow.
It's just set that everything worth under 150€ only gets hit by VAT, but as soon as it's over 150€ they will also add the customs rates, if applicable.
The best thing is how the end fee is calculated:
(Final invoice price with shipping)*(customs rate)=customs charge
((Final invoice price with shipping)+(customs charge))*(VAT rate)=VAT charge
(Customs charge)+(VAT charge)=(amount you pay to get the package)
If it's shipped via DHL express, FedEx, UPS, (add a few more express services here) you'll also pay a handling fee or processing fee or stuff like that.
Great isn't it?
Post by: daaawooo on Sun, 20 August 2017, 14:41:55
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cardboard boxI believe customs assumes the choice of a cardboard box speaks for higher value item inside.
With my last 2 shipments via DHL Express from China "German customs clearance" was done in china. An additional ad-hoc check maybe possible in Germany.
DHL Express did not open the shipment (one was a DHL-airliftbag with cardboard box inside, one a cardboard box) or even open the plastic envelope with customs form outside the parcel to check if value is below 150 EUR or 22 EUR.
For bigger products shipping via DHL Express is not much pricier.
But I always calculate the final price of an item with VAT and customs rate for me before buying and so it can only become cheaper if customs doesn't check it.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 20 August 2017, 15:15:24
Post by: evangs on Mon, 21 August 2017, 09:04:41
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 21 August 2017, 10:13:28
for anyone who ordered an Alps base set. I got the missing 1.5 disk keys from SP and have sent out to all but 9 orders which will be finished up tonight.
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Post by: CampAsAChamp on Mon, 21 August 2017, 18:17:51
(http://i.imgur.com/WlBbfnQ.jpg)
Post by: KetchyKech on Thu, 24 August 2017, 09:16:17
(http://i.imgur.com/MVofXl5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/g9JhMlR.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7lcj0nC.jpg)
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 24 August 2017, 09:34:39
Finally built my ALPS VE.A, and slapped dis dream set on :p ~ careful for anyone that ordered ALPS -- I broke a 1.25u keycap when pulling it out :( I love the set though, thanks, evangs!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MVofXl5.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/g9JhMlR.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7lcj0nC.jpg)
wow. this looks quite amazing!
Post by: Kavik on Thu, 24 August 2017, 10:24:50
Finally built my ALPS VE.A, and slapped dis dream set on :p ~ careful for anyone that ordered ALPS -- I broke a 1.25u keycap when pulling it out :( I love the set though, thanks, evangs!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MVofXl5.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/g9JhMlR.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7lcj0nC.jpg)
I think we have a winner! This is the best LightCycle keyboard I've seen.
Post by: KetchyKech on Thu, 24 August 2017, 11:47:17
Finally built my ALPS VE.A, and slapped dis dream set on :p ~ careful for anyone that ordered ALPS -- I broke a 1.25u keycap when pulling it out :( I love the set though, thanks, evangs!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MVofXl5.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/g9JhMlR.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7lcj0nC.jpg)
wow. this looks quite amazing!
Finally built my ALPS VE.A, and slapped dis dream set on :p ~ careful for anyone that ordered ALPS -- I broke a 1.25u keycap when pulling it out :( I love the set though, thanks, evangs!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MVofXl5.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/g9JhMlR.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7lcj0nC.jpg)
I think we have a winner! This is the best LightCycle keyboard I've seen.
awe thx fellas ~ it really is a nice pairing! :thumb:
Post by: poolside on Thu, 24 August 2017, 17:49:49
Finally built my ALPS VE.A, and slapped dis dream set on :p ~ careful for anyone that ordered ALPS -- I broke a 1.25u keycap when pulling it out :( I love the set though, thanks, evangs!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MVofXl5.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/g9JhMlR.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7lcj0nC.jpg)
Ouch, this does look very nice! I am saving these pictures to my personal keyboard archive.
A silver SATA cable would maybe make it perfect.
Post by: Blazestorm on Thu, 24 August 2017, 21:46:33
for anyone who ordered an Alps base set. I got the missing 1.5 disk keys from SP and have sent out to all but 9 orders which will be finished up tonight.
Got mine, Thanks =)
Post by: TheEerieCold on Sat, 26 August 2017, 16:18:06
(http://i.imgur.com/1rfazTy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/P9fbb2R.jpg)
Post by: evangs on Sat, 26 August 2017, 16:32:02
As promised...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1rfazTy.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/P9fbb2R.jpg)
Ohlord
Post by: Blazestorm on Sat, 26 August 2017, 22:39:28
And pictures are a little blurry, handheld...
(http://i.imgur.com/UeOD5aB.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/HYdx3EG.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/MvIruZQ.jpg)
Post by: hhkbp2 on Wed, 30 August 2017, 05:19:31
(http://i.imgur.com/ELfaWUQ.jpg)
Post by: evangs on Wed, 30 August 2017, 07:09:00
Finally got LightCycle today. My Ergodox is taken into the Grid.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ELfaWUQ.jpg)
Looks good!
Post by: Miotch92 on Sat, 09 September 2017, 02:55:58
Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk
Post by: zslane on Sat, 09 September 2017, 17:37:08
Post by: nightdriver on Tue, 12 September 2017, 13:35:32
Out of curiosity, has anyone put LightCycle DSA onto a Filco Majestouch-2 full size keyboard?
on my mj2 tkl. why do you ask?
Post by: zslane on Tue, 12 September 2017, 15:50:47
Post by: OfTheWild on Wed, 13 September 2017, 00:45:06
I need it to build my roadkit!
Post by: Kavik on Wed, 13 September 2017, 07:52:21
If anyone has the ALPS set and can be willing to part with the numpad portion... please let me know!
I need it to build my roadkit!
I don't think I need mine. I'll check on it after work and message you.
Post by: OfTheWild on Wed, 13 September 2017, 14:47:07
If anyone has the ALPS set and can be willing to part with the numpad portion... please let me know!
I need it to build my roadkit!
I don't think I need mine. I'll check on it after work and message you.
That would be so awesome if you could spare selling it! Let me know. Happy to toss in some free stickers in thanks as well. :-*
Post by: evangs on Wed, 13 September 2017, 16:09:57
If anyone has the ALPS set and can be willing to part with the numpad portion... please let me know!
I need it to build my roadkit!
I don't think I need mine. I'll check on it after work and message you.
That would be so awesome if you could spare selling it! Let me know. Happy to toss in some free stickers in thanks as well. :-*
I probably have numpad from the replacements kit if the deal above falls through.
Post by: OfTheWild on Thu, 14 September 2017, 00:54:16
If anyone has the ALPS set and can be willing to part with the numpad portion... please let me know!
I need it to build my roadkit!
I don't think I need mine. I'll check on it after work and message you.
That would be so awesome if you could spare selling it! Let me know. Happy to toss in some free stickers in thanks as well. :-*
I probably have numpad from the replacements kit if the deal above falls through.
Oh sweet! Yeah if Kavik wants to pass i'll let you know. I needed to follow up with you on some info anyway so i'll check in this weekend.
Thanks!
Post by: Kavik on Thu, 14 September 2017, 18:21:24
If anyone has the ALPS set and can be willing to part with the numpad portion... please let me know!
I need it to build my roadkit!
I don't think I need mine. I'll check on it after work and message you.
That would be so awesome if you could spare selling it! Let me know. Happy to toss in some free stickers in thanks as well. :-*
I probably have numpad from the replacements kit if the deal above falls through.
Oh sweet! Yeah if Kavik wants to pass i'll let you know. I needed to follow up with you on some info anyway so i'll check in this weekend.
Thanks!
Hey, sorry for the delay. I didn't get a chance to sort through my caps yesterday. I've sent you a PM.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Thu, 07 December 2017, 13:05:14
Post by: Kavik on Thu, 07 December 2017, 14:19:17
Slowpoke submission.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GMiRIlR.jpg)
Wow, the color of that case is perfect for these! It reminds me of my ice blue Game Boy Pocket.
Post by: bovineblitz on Mon, 05 February 2018, 15:33:25
Post by: Kavik on Mon, 05 February 2018, 18:59:10
Ah man I just committed to building an ALPS Neutrino. If anyone has an extra ALPs set they'd like to unload, let me know.
You might send a PM to Evangs. I believe he had ordered some extra ALPs sets in case anyone needed replacements. Since it's several months later, those may be up for grabs now. I could be entirely wrong though.
Post by: bovineblitz on Mon, 05 February 2018, 19:47:24
Ah man I just committed to building an ALPS Neutrino. If anyone has an extra ALPs set they'd like to unload, let me know.
You might send a PM to Evangs. I believe he had ordered some extra ALPs sets in case anyone needed replacements. Since it's several months later, those may be up for grabs now. I could be entirely wrong though.
I'll give it a shot, thanks!
Edit: No such luck, can't say I'm surprised given how nice it looks
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 22 February 2018, 21:09:26
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45456.msg2565594#msg2565594
Post by: Arhipio on Tue, 13 March 2018, 02:36:12
Might be of interest to people with the Alps version of these caps:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45456.msg2565594#msg2565594
Wait but the whole point is that it converts from alps to cherry. Wouldn't they need the cherry keycaps.
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 13 March 2018, 07:58:51
Might be of interest to people with the Alps version of these caps:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45456.msg2565594#msg2565594
Wait but the whole point is that it converts from alps to cherry. Wouldn't they need the cherry keycaps.
I was referring to the stabilizer inserts. Sorry, should have made that more clear