Post by: PainMaster on Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:00:17
revision : 2018-11-26
Housing : VE.A 2nd
Nine pieces of Aluminium Armor (Aluminium 6061), Anodized
One pieces of Aluminium name plate
Two pieces of Poly-Carbonate Frame
Two pieces of 1.5T STS Switch mounting plate
Four sloping object
Matching 3M urethane bumpon included
PCB : Vergo 2nd
Split layout linked with SATA cable
Cherry MX / Alps SKCx Compatible
Full in-switch LED
18 of RGB LED under bottom side
Supports ISO layout(short left shift, vertical enter), ANSI layout.
Various bottom row
Splittable backspace
Splittable delete
1.6T
White BG, Black FG
Only VE.A can fit (Not fit with Vergo type.T reference acrylic housing design)
No acrylic housing design is available now (2016-02-03)
With "one standard 104 keycaps package + 1.75 shift" can cover whole layout
Software
Firmware made by winkeyless.kr
Control program "bootMapperClient" by winkeyless.kr (Supports Mac/Windows)
4 Programmable layers, You even can re-map "layer change key" and macro keys.
12 on-the-fly quick macro, 12 custom macro
on the fly LED mode shift and brightness adjustment
Can map "Shift+ESC" to ~
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* 2018/11/25
The nameplates are replaceable
We were able to add color to the sample production process
and used several different colors to identify the range of colors we could express.
Actually, the nameplate color is not like that.
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more informations :
oddforge.com (http://oddforge.com)
Geekhack KBD forum (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98322.msg2683065#msg2683065)
Post by: ewwgin on Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:01:54
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Post by: [Lewynlight] on Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:08:00
old logo + changing from sata to something else (e.g usb C?) would be better.
you would have to make a new pcb tho.
Post by: ArchDill on Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:10:45
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:10:49
Also, would you consider changing the logo? The way the v1 did it was far more attractive. See below.
(https://i.imgur.com/kGEJG8s.jpg)
Post by: romeo on Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:17:55
Post by: mike52787 on Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:21:09
Im so in
Post by: lazyfart on Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:22:04
Will the SATA connection be changed? The SATA connection has latency issues and typing above ~100wpm would cause problems.
Also, would you consider changing the logo? The way the v1 did it was far more attractive. See below.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kGEJG8s.jpg)
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Post by: aspenc4 on Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:35:44
I agree, the v1 logo was far better looking. Will the sata connection be changed?Will the SATA connection be changed? The SATA connection has latency issues and typing above ~100wpm would cause problems.
Also, would you consider changing the logo? The way the v1 did it was far more attractive. See below.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kGEJG8s.jpg)
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Would like to throw my hat in the SATA-less / v1 logo camp. I’ve been excited for this for quite some time, but would be lying if I said this doesn’t kill it for me
Post by: alienman82 on Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:42:40
Post by: txclack on Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:47:22
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:49:28
That said, everything else looks fantastic and I am glad to see this finally moving forward as a future owner (if the issues above are fixed).
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 25 November 2018, 22:57:40
The logo is pretty much the only thing that is different anyways. the tenting is also, but who will actually use that?
Honestly, that's a good point. The tenting may look "innovative", but there frankly does not seem to be many improvements beyond a few aesthetic choices for this to be considered a rehaul of the former v1. There also are tenting options that can be made (DIY) otherwise.
It really would be great if some of the feedback in here were taken into serious consideration.
Post by: mrpetrov on Sun, 25 November 2018, 23:00:04
Post by: switchnollie on Sun, 25 November 2018, 23:08:01
Why are you still using SATA between the halves?
^^^
Yeah, we should at least be using DisplayPort 1.4 now to connect them.
Post by: bisoromi on Sun, 25 November 2018, 23:42:26
No SATA and old logo.
Everything else looks pretty solid to me
Post by: tomu on Sun, 25 November 2018, 23:45:35
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Post by: Tree_ on Mon, 26 November 2018, 00:00:39
I actually don't mind the new logo and badge.
Post by: idlemao on Mon, 26 November 2018, 00:45:36
I like the old logo myself but I would be okay with the new logo. Otherwise, consider me very interested. ;D
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 26 November 2018, 01:10:28
only thing stopping me from selling a board for this
although i still might cause i want the tenting o well
Post by: poolside on Mon, 26 November 2018, 01:42:54
Post by: theillumedpanda on Mon, 26 November 2018, 01:47:39
Post by: kiwi99 on Mon, 26 November 2018, 01:57:06
Post by: lanyusea on Mon, 26 November 2018, 02:31:03
wondering if there will be 60/HHKB version?
Post by: dantambok on Mon, 26 November 2018, 02:34:05
Yes, i know it has been said already and we can't say it enough.. please change the SATA connectors
Post by: onefivenine on Mon, 26 November 2018, 02:39:00
Will the SATA connection be changed? The SATA connection has latency issues and typing above ~100wpm would cause problems.Could you elaborate on how/why a SATA connection has latency issues? I find this interesting and would like to know if this is something that is a hardware limitation or a firmware issue etc.
Post by: wholypantalones on Mon, 26 November 2018, 03:11:14
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Mon, 26 November 2018, 04:33:50
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Post by: ctrlX on Mon, 26 November 2018, 05:18:14
However.. in all honesty, the new logo is awful. Makes me a bit tentative to jumping on the wagon.
SATA connector should be changed according to feedback from the first version.
Post by: Lotsati on Mon, 26 November 2018, 05:47:24
Post by: ampt on Mon, 26 November 2018, 07:39:09
Post by: urbantheii on Mon, 26 November 2018, 08:02:21
Post by: ReverbSlush on Mon, 26 November 2018, 08:11:01
Post by: Poesjuh on Mon, 26 November 2018, 09:09:55
- logo is like the old
- no sata
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Post by: menuhin on Mon, 26 November 2018, 09:46:41
Will the SATA connection be changed? The SATA connection has latency issues and typing above ~100wpm would cause problems.
Also, would you consider changing the logo? The way the v1 did it was far more attractive. See below.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kGEJG8s.jpg)
This
Post by: litster on Mon, 26 November 2018, 10:05:24
Post by: schoolbus on Mon, 26 November 2018, 11:53:56
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 26 November 2018, 12:10:25
Post by: switchnollie on Mon, 26 November 2018, 12:25:25
Post by: litster on Mon, 26 November 2018, 12:30:53
The SATA connectors are used for connecting the two halves together. The keyboard isn't using the SATA protocol to communicate between the two halves. Just the 7 wires in the cable. You could argue USB-C is a better connector that is designed for more insertions. But arguing using USB-C or other newer connectors because they are newer or faster and better communication protocol doesn't hold water.
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 26 November 2018, 12:51:37
Post by: cirrus82 on Mon, 26 November 2018, 12:55:40
Post by: litster on Mon, 26 November 2018, 12:59:26
USB connectors are usually created to just make more money. For instance micro isn't at all better than mini, but it was made to milk more money out of people. C I think is pretty innovative however. I think people dislike it because the insertion rating for SATA is really low, but TBH I had three VEA'S and only took the cable out if I was shipping it (which only happened when I was selling it)
The fact that they already made protoypes of this also tells me that they will not change it from SATA to anything else no matter how often people ask because it will still sell out, and it would cost them more money to do so.
It's all pointless arguments which we like to have on this website anyways..
IMO micro and mini are created to support smaller and thinner devices like phones. I like C as you can insert it either side up. I agree that it would be expensive to change the design and the PCB layout now for no significant gain (technically, functionally).
Let's keep the argument going while we wait for V2.
- Litster typing on one of my three VE.As.
Post by: ampt on Mon, 26 November 2018, 12:59:58
As far as micro USB goes it was made because its smaller. Thinner phones require smaller connectors, which drives the standard. You can call it a cash grab if you want but I doubt theres a conspiracy to have people buy more crappy micro USB cables out there.
Post by: litster on Mon, 26 November 2018, 13:09:44
Personally I like having a handful of USB C Cables around that I can use to connect everything. Having only one use for a SATA connector isnt super compelling. Additionally just because you never move or unplug your VE.A doesn't mean everyone does the same. There are many use cases and IMO the number of people bringing up the SATA cable should indicate that many others have issues with the cable for various reasons.
Not sure I follow you here.
How many USB-C cables do you have? How many devices you use on a daily basis have USB-C connectors? Maybe a lot. Maybe just a few. I have only an iPad Pro 11 and a Nintendo Switch that has USB-C connectors and they both have dedicated USB-C cables for them.
And, really, how long are your handful of USB-C cables that you have around? Do you have any USB-C cables that are 4 inches long that would work for VE.A? Or would you use one of your 3 feet or 6 feet long USB-C cables for your VE.A? Also, if you have an VE.A, why would you not have a dedicated 3-inch USB-C cable for it? And, where do you find a 4-inch USB-C cable? Who makes custom USB-C cables? If it is 4 inches long, why would you care or insist that your handful of 6 feet USB-C cables must work with VE.A?
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 26 November 2018, 13:19:53
Why all the hate on SATA? With the exception of Flash who types over 100 WPM and claims that SATA is the reason why he can't type faster, I have not read a legit reason not to use it. There may be good reasons but haven't seen one yet.
How is lag over 100 WPM (a fairly average speed I'd imagine, nowadays) not a big enough problem to warrant a work around by itself? Pretty condescending argument to make honestly, it's horribly frustrating and entirely valid. Furthermore, universal connectors are never a bad thing - plus, as you said yourself, being able to put it in either side up is a bigger quality of life matter than a lot of people seem to realise.
SATA is a colossal mistake here even if they manage to fix the lag via firmware or whatever else. $500+ for a keyboard, only reason not to improve upon obvious flaws is laziness or disinterest and neither of those are sentiments I want to support despite how much I love the original board and its design.
PS: plenty of cable makers within the hobby make USB-C cables nowadays so that argument is moot point.
Post by: litster on Mon, 26 November 2018, 13:30:26
How is lag over 100 WPM (a fairly average speed I'd imagine, nowadays) not a big enough problem to warrant a work around by itself? Pretty condescending argument to make honestly, it's horribly frustrating and entirely valid. Furthermore, universal connectors are never a bad thing - plus, as you said yourself, being able to put it in either side up is a bigger quality of life matter than a lot of people seem to realise.
SATA is a colossal mistake here even if they manage to fix the lag via firmware or whatever else. $500+ for a keyboard, only reason not to improve upon obvious flaws is laziness or disinterest and neither of those are sentiments I want to support despite how much I love the original board and its design.
PS: plenty of cable makers within the hobby make USB-C cables nowadays so that argument is moot point.
I am sorry if you feel that was condescending. I didn't mean that.
Anyhow, how do you know it is the SATA cable that is causing the lag and replacing the SATA connector to something else will fix it? Why do you think using USB-C will eliminate the lag that you experience?
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 26 November 2018, 13:42:31
Anyhow, how do you know it is the SATA cable that is causing the lag and replacing the SATA connector to something else will fix it? Why do you think using USB-C will eliminate the lag that you experience?
I personally don't know enough about the matter to be able to answer this but it's widely accepted as fact from the other owners I've spoken to who know a lot more than I do - surely someone can chime in considering the amount comments that have already been made against.
Post by: litster on Mon, 26 November 2018, 13:46:44
PS: plenty of cable makers within the hobby make USB-C cables nowadays so that argument is moot point.
I didn't really argue that you can't or shouldn't get a custom USB-C. In fact I was arguing the opposite with armpit that the cable for VE.A should be custom length but he has a requirement that he wants to use one of his handful of 6 feet long USB-C cables for the keyboard.
Post by: litster on Mon, 26 November 2018, 13:51:49
I personally don't know enough about the matter to be able to answer this but it's widely accepted as fact from the other owners I've spoken to who know a lot more than I do - surely someone can chime in considering the amount comments that have already been made against.
OK. This is basically hearsay and somehow it is believed to be fact. This is how fake news come to be.
There is no prove so far that I can see any lag is due to using a SATA connection between the two halves. If it is because of the SATA connection, then it would happen only (or most of the time) on the right half and not the left half. You can use the left half of the keyboard without connecting the right half. Hitting the Q key for example doesn't require the SATA cable so there should be no lag typing on the left half.
Post by: ampt on Mon, 26 November 2018, 13:56:15
I didn't really argue that you can't or shouldn't get a custom USB-C. In fact I was arguing the opposite with armpit that the cable for VE.A should be custom length but he has a requirement that he wants to use one of his handful of 6 feet long USB-C cables for the keyboard.
Resorting to name calling so soon? Tsk tsk
In regards to my "requirement" I'm simply stating that USB C cables are becoming more and more common. It's less that I have to be able to use one of my existing cables and more that I can. How many times have you been unable to use something because you either lost or forgot to pack the cable? If you answer never then I'd count you among the few rather than the majority. Who has spare SATA cables lying around as opposed to USB C? You yourself claim that while you only have a couple of USB Devices, you already have 2 cables available.
Post by: litster on Mon, 26 November 2018, 14:01:11
Resorting to name calling so soon? Tsk tsk
In regards to my "requirement" I'm simply stating that USB C cables are becoming more and more common. It's less that I have to be able to use one of my existing cables and more that I can. How many times have you been unable to use something because you either lost or forgot to pack the cable? If you answer never then I'd count you among the few rather than the majority. Who has spare SATA cables lying around as opposed to USB C? You yourself claim that while you only have a couple of USB Devices, you already have 2 cables available.
Sorry, not name calling. Just that it came to mind when I try to pronounce your handle. How do you say your name?
In any case while would you need to use a 6 feet USB-C cables for VE.A?
Post by: breusch91 on Mon, 26 November 2018, 14:26:33
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Post by: dead_pixel_design on Mon, 26 November 2018, 15:00:17
Post by: trizkut on Mon, 26 November 2018, 15:06:35
I think the new logo is fine; SATA is fine too if that's what you choose to go with. :thumb:
Post by: litster on Mon, 26 November 2018, 15:11:47
Have 2 VE.As, and have experienced none of the supposed issues with lag from the connector at higher wpms. This is actually the first I've heard of it.
I think the new logo is fine; SATA is fine too if that's what you choose to go with. :thumb:
+1
The only problem I have experienced is the keyboard going in and out of connected state with my PC when I used a low quality mini USB cable by accident. Never had any problem with a good quality mini USB cable.
Post by: clik_clak on Mon, 26 November 2018, 15:13:58
Have 2 VE.As, and have experienced none of the supposed issues with lag from the connector at higher wpms. This is actually the first I've heard of it.
I think the new logo is fine; SATA is fine too if that's what you choose to go with. :thumb:
I'm glad there's people like this that can give their own opinions based on their own used instead of all the people that watched 1 youtube review and decide the board is trash because of the connector.
Thank you.
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 26 November 2018, 15:19:53
I'm glad there's people like this that can give their own opinions based on their own used instead of all the people that watched 1 youtube review and decide the board is trash because of the connector.
Thank you.
I've used a VE.A extensively too and the keystroke lag was fairly noticeable, though I do type abnormally fast I still think it's something they should work on - as said I don't know if it's a physical limitation with the type of cable used, I'm not an electrician and I definitely know very little about the subject, maybe it's their implementation of it rather than a problem with the connection; regardless, even if it is an on and off problem, or only a problem for some, I still think it should be addressed especially given the fact that USB-C is becoming so prevalent and is so handy. Or just go with TRRS, we know that one works just fine.
Post by: litster on Mon, 26 November 2018, 15:30:31
I've used a VE.A extensively too and the keystroke lag was fairly noticeable, though I do type abnormally fast I still think it's something they should work on - as said I don't know if it's a physical limitation with the type of cable used, I'm not an electrician and I definitely know very little about the subject, maybe it's their implementation of it rather than a problem with the connection; regardless, even if it is an on and off problem, or only a problem for some, I still think it should be addressed especially given the fact that USB-C is becoming so prevalent and is so handy. Or just go with TRRS, we know that one works just fine.
You mean electrical engineer, not electrician.
the lag may be something to do with the firmware design, or your cable, or your computer's OS, USB driver, USB controller, USB hub, USB cable, or other USB devices you have on your computer. There has been no prove that SATA is the cause of the lag you have experienced non any prove that USB-C connectors would fix it. The SATA cable there is just for wiring up the two halves of the keyboard. The keyboard is not using the SATA protocol and would not use USB protocol if the SATA connectors are replaced with any kind USB connectors.
However using USB-C connectors would introduce a usability problem. On the left half there would be one mini USB connector and one USB-C connector, and another USB-C connector of the right half. Someone might ask, "why can't I use the right half of the keyboard when I plug in a USB-C cable to it and connect it to my PC? It is a USB connector so it should work. Trash!"
Post by: ampt on Mon, 26 November 2018, 15:36:06
The keyboard is not using the SATA protocol and would not use USB protocol if the SATA connectors are replaced with any kind USB connectors.
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Someone might ask, "why can't I use the right half of the keyboard when I plug in a USB-C cable to it and connect it to my PC? It is a USB connector so it should work. Trash!"
By that same logic someone might plug the VE.A into their motherboard and ask why it doesn't work. :rolleyes:
Post by: switchnollie on Mon, 26 November 2018, 15:36:24
I didn't really argue that you can't or shouldn't get a custom USB-C. In fact I was arguing the opposite with armpit that the cable for VE.A should be custom length but he has a requirement that he wants to use one of his handful of 6 feet long USB-C cables for the keyboard.
Resorting to name calling so soon? Tsk tsk
Your name really get autocorrected by my phone when I type it in tho.
Post by: litster on Mon, 26 November 2018, 15:40:45
By that same logic someone might plug the VE.A into their motherboard and ask why it doesn't work. :rolleyes:
True, but you would have to way more cray cray to make the leap that a keyboard would by connecting it to your PC's SATA port.
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 26 November 2018, 15:56:13
You mean electrical engineer, not electrician.
the lag may be something to do with the firmware design, or your cable, or your computer's OS, USB driver, USB controller, USB hub, USB cable, or other USB devices you have on your computer. There has been no prove that SATA is the cause of the lag you have experienced non any prove that USB-C connectors would fix it. The SATA cable there is just for wiring up the two halves of the keyboard. The keyboard is not using the SATA protocol and would not use USB protocol if the SATA connectors are replaced with any kind USB connectors.
However using USB-C connectors would introduce a usability problem. On the left half there would be one mini USB connector and one USB-C connector, and another USB-C connector of the right half. Someone might ask, "why can't I use the right half of the keyboard when I plug in a USB-C cable to it and connect it to my PC? It is a USB connector so it should work. Trash!"
I used electrician the same way one some times uses the term rocket scientist to refer to someone with x or y sciencey expertise. The unit I used is a friend's and we used it on both of our home PCs as well as my office one with the issue prevalent in all 3 so it's actually not a one and done type of situation where no experimentation took place. It also doesn't have exceedingly heavy switches or anything that could be giving off a wrongful impression of the keystrokes being delayed.
That said, as of when I wrote my previous posts I was wrongfully taking SATA being the culprit as factual when I should've considered that the discussions I took part in/saw happen (which took place prior to the video clik_clak mentioned) may also involve scientifically unproven opinions all around (since I honestly can't remember, was a year and a half ago or something). I shouldn't dismiss the fact it may be something else, and as per someone on Slack I was also pointed to this post which I'd forgotten about which seemingly solves the issue via an option on bootmapper - https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82509.msg2524712#msg2524712
I'm still adamant in that I believe the issue should be officially addressed in so that the prospect buyers feel reassured but I understand and appreciate the scepticism.
Post by: PainMaster on Mon, 26 November 2018, 16:27:17
Will the SATA connection be changed? The SATA connection has latency issues and typing above ~100wpm would cause problems.
Also, would you consider changing the logo? The way the v1 did it was far more attractive. See below.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kGEJG8s.jpg)
Hi LightningXI, can you prove it by youtube?
Because we've never experienced that issue before.
If you prove it on video,
After watching the operation status of the keyboard, RGB, LED, etc. of the video, We are trying to consider a lot of things.
Post by: forevermadrigal on Mon, 26 November 2018, 23:59:19
Post by: Rubbermilitia on Tue, 27 November 2018, 00:11:37
Hi LightningXI, can you prove it by youtube?
After the gigantic ****storm which took over this thread, I really hope someone attempts this and posts their results. We have clearly gotten the runner's attention, and destroyed his IC, lets at least follow up with the proof they are requesting...
And if anyone is going to post a video proving this, please also test if the debounce fix posted by Vigrith works or not. If it does, then this entire lag argument is moot....
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 27 November 2018, 00:17:45
BUT i think a big problem is the durability/life span of of SATA ports. They are rated to like 50 to 100 plug unplug cycles?
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 27 November 2018, 00:23:00
I'd be willing to show something on video, but I actually have sold my own VE.A. some time ago. I've asked the buyer for help and see if it's possible to prove it on video. I apologize for that inconvenience.Will the SATA connection be changed? The SATA connection has latency issues and typing above ~100wpm would cause problems.
Also, would you consider changing the logo? The way the v1 did it was far more attractive. See below.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kGEJG8s.jpg)
Hi LightningXI, can you prove it by youtube?
Because we've never experienced that issue before.
If you prove it on video,
After watching the operation status of the keyboard, RGB, LED, etc. of the video, We are trying to consider a lot of things.
Perhaps the much more concerning aspect for me is that a SATA connector is not durable. The number of cycles it can sustain for insertion and removal is pretty low relative to other connector types. While I understand that there's ease in using the v1 PCB for the v2, I strongly believe that you will garner a much more positive response by considering a USB C to USB C data transfer as well as aesthetic changes as they are being proposed. There is sufficient evidence that interested parties would prefer these features.
In any case, I will advocate for somebody to attempt a video-based experiment on the functionality of the v1, as I do not own one anymore. I'd gladly do it if I were to be able to borrow one as well.
Post by: Tree_ on Tue, 27 November 2018, 00:32:03
Hi LightningXI, can you prove it by youtube?
After the gigantic ****storm which took over this thread, I really hope someone attempts this and posts their results. We have clearly gotten the runner's attention, and destroyed his IC, lets at least follow up with the proof they are requesting...
And if anyone is going to post a video proving this, please also test if the debounce fix posted by Vigrith works or not. If it does, then this entire lag argument is moot....
+1 for no SATA.
I actually don't mind the new logo and badge.
I should probably put a point against my comment: I'm not actually against SATA because of the possibility that it effects the board when used at high WPM or because of the potential for port failure after a high number of re-connections - I just think it aesthetically looks bad compared to a USB cable. Sure you can get round SATA connectors, but it's rare to come across nice custom SATA's.
Post by: actualglacier on Tue, 27 November 2018, 01:17:38
Post by: kokugatsu on Tue, 27 November 2018, 02:16:37
Post by: typischt on Tue, 27 November 2018, 02:26:29
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98322.0
Aaaand it has already been edited in in the OP of this thread, so that‘s that. ;D
Really hyped for this board, was also waiting for quite some time now. SATA doesn‘t bother me that much if there are no problems with it, tho the argument that it has less „plug-in/out cycles“ does sound a bit concerning.
But I might be in either way.
Post by: PainMaster on Tue, 27 November 2018, 05:25:52
about the 'latency issue' is a suspected situation of low power.
There are many different specifications for 'USB'.
For example,
USB 2.0 support 5V 500mA ~ Max 2A (2000mA).
USB 3.1 support 5V Max 5A (5000mA) & 12V & 20V.
Between USB 2.0 and USB-C (3.1),
There is a huge difference in the amount of power available.
most of Laptop USB 2.0 has 5V 500mA,
But, USB-C (for example, Mac) has 5V 45w is Max (about 9A, standard is 5A).
If you plug the KBD (full LED, full RGB status) into a hub that low (or None) power, KBD controller may be out of power and cause abnormalities.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 27 November 2018, 06:01:21
In personal opinion.
about the 'latency issue' is a suspected situation of low power.
[...]
If you plug the KBD (full LED, full RGB status) into a hub that low (or None) power, KBD controller may be out of power and cause abnormalities.
Had it plugged directly into a USB port (tested both 2.0 and 3.0, both type a) all LEDs off, still had lag. :thumb:
The lag has nothing to do with sata but with the implementation of VUSB that BMC uses, as well as suboptimal i2c connection between the halves. There still was very noticeable input latency on the master half.
I don't get it tbh, how did this work during design? "Let's pick a controller whose main purpose is talking to the PC via USB, oh yea this one that has no native USB support makes way more sense than the ones that do offer that functionality" :))
Post by: PainMaster on Tue, 27 November 2018, 07:06:09
In personal opinion.
about the 'latency issue' is a suspected situation of low power.
[...]
If you plug the KBD (full LED, full RGB status) into a hub that low (or None) power, KBD controller may be out of power and cause abnormalities.
Had it plugged directly into a USB port (tested both 2.0 and 3.0, both type a) all LEDs off, still had lag. :thumb:
The lag has nothing to do with sata but with the implementation of VUSB that BMC uses, as well as suboptimal i2c connection between the halves. There still was very noticeable input latency on the master half.
I don't get it tbh, how did this work during design? "Let's pick a controller whose main purpose is talking to the PC via USB, oh yea this one that has no native USB support makes way more sense than the ones that do offer that functionality" :))
..... I'm not sure what you mean.;;
Post by: tchalikias on Tue, 27 November 2018, 07:56:33
Post by: nguyenhimself on Tue, 27 November 2018, 08:45:52
I'm in, provided that SATA is replaced with USB. I don't believe the cable is responsible for the lag, obviously, it's just a couple piece of wire, but sata ports are incredibly flimsy.
I think it's clear from this thread that the IC starter is not very motivated to change the SATA connector to USB.
I like retro computing as much as most people here, but this dedication to SATA of all things is just something else.
Also, I saw the logo update, and I still find it extremely cringey. Do people really enjoy seeing all those visible holes on their expensive keyboards? Paging r/trypophobia
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=98324.0;attach=207817;image)
This is by far the worst R2 I've ever seen. All the complaints from R1 were ignored, with extra new stuffs that nobody asked for or wanted.
Post by: clik_clak on Tue, 27 November 2018, 09:44:29
I'm in, provided that SATA is replaced with USB. I don't believe the cable is responsible for the lag, obviously, it's just a couple piece of wire, but sata ports are incredibly flimsy.
I think it's clear from this thread that the IC starter is not very motivated to change the SATA connector to USB.
I like retro computing as much as most people here, but this dedication to SATA of all things is just something else.
Also, I saw the logo update, and I still find it extremely cringey. Do people really enjoy seeing all those visible holes on their expensive keyboards? Paging r/trypophobiaShow Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=98324.0;attach=207817;image)
This is by far the worst R2 I've ever seen. All the complaints from R1 were ignored, with extra new stuffs that nobody asked for or wanted.
Then don't buy it, simple as that. Let your wallet do your talking for you.
He's not going to have any problems selling the ones he does though.
Post by: fireworm on Tue, 27 November 2018, 10:01:58
USB-C or TRRS between halves
USB-C main connector
It's not clear, what are the layout options? I'd really like bottom left to be 1.25, 1.25, 1.25, 2.25, 1.25 (or 1).
Is it possible to lose the F-row for a 65% plus Macro keys?
Post by: MajorKoos on Tue, 27 November 2018, 10:22:43
SATA cables are typically solid core wire and not meant to be moved around or bent too much.
At least it's the cable which fails and not the plug on the PCB.
What makes this better than R1?
I'm struggling to find anything which would make me consider getting one, and that's a shame because Korean ergos are my "thing".
Post by: urbantheii on Tue, 27 November 2018, 10:52:00
I have 3 VE.As from R1, and I've had 2 SATA cables fail on me (with a 3rd starting to give issues).
SATA cables are typically solid core wire and not meant to be moved around or bent too much.
At least it's the cable which fails and not the plug on the PCB.
What makes this better than R1?
I'm struggling to find anything which would make me consider getting one, and that's a shame because Korean ergos are my "thing".
Is it just the cables that are failing or the ports? I don't know much about this issue, but I really don't mind having to swap in a new SATA cable as long as the integrity of the port is fine.
Post by: schoolbus on Tue, 27 November 2018, 11:01:04
Even if SATA is acceptable, it's still annoying to have to use yet another different cable for just this board, rather than it conforming with the trend of almost all the other split keyboards.
Why don't we just use the old-school ipod charger cable to connect the halves?
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 27 November 2018, 11:04:41
..... I'm not sure what you mean.;;
same tbh
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Tue, 27 November 2018, 11:07:26
Why don't we just use the old-school ipod charger cable to connect the halves?
Firewire! :))
Post by: nguyenhimself on Tue, 27 November 2018, 11:20:04
I'm in, provided that SATA is replaced with USB. I don't believe the cable is responsible for the lag, obviously, it's just a couple piece of wire, but sata ports are incredibly flimsy.
I think it's clear from this thread that the IC starter is not very motivated to change the SATA connector to USB.
I like retro computing as much as most people here, but this dedication to SATA of all things is just something else.
Also, I saw the logo update, and I still find it extremely cringey. Do people really enjoy seeing all those visible holes on their expensive keyboards? Paging r/trypophobiaShow Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=98324.0;attach=207817;image)
This is by far the worst R2 I've ever seen. All the complaints from R1 were ignored, with extra new stuffs that nobody asked for or wanted.
Then don't buy it, simple as that. Let your wallet do your talking for you.
He's not going to have any problems selling the ones he does though.
So you're saying we should ONLY say positive things in IC threads? Are you so against criticism?
Can't you stop thinking in black and white and understand that I'm posting here because I really want to get a VE.A ever since OP teased R2 on the VE.A thread since last year or so?
I'm just seriously annoyed at how there is seemingly zero worthy improvement to this kit after all this time, and now some people are dismissing criticism as 'fake news' of all things. Ugh.
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Tue, 27 November 2018, 11:27:53
Then don't buy it, simple as that. Let your wallet do your talking for you.
He's not going to have any problems selling the ones he does though.
So you're saying we should ONLY say positive things in IC threads? Are you so against criticism?
Can't you stop thinking in black and white and understand that I'm posting here because I really want to get a VE.A ever since OP teased R2 on the VE.A thread since last year or so?
I'm just seriously annoyed at how there is seemingly zero worthy improvement to this kit after all this time, and now some people are dismissing criticism as 'fake news' of all things. Ugh.
100% agree that an IC is to check for interest and give feedback. Just because some people might buy this doesn't mean that it's good design or well thought out.
Post by: redbanshee on Tue, 27 November 2018, 11:36:16
smh
lmao, geekhack, destroyer of interest checks and the majestic land of the "deal breaker", with the occasional "try hard" and the ever popular "doesnt match the render" guy for good measure
can we please get 4 handed Goro from mortal kombat to test the theoretical "lag" that apparently is produced when typing 200wmp on VE.A v1
give me a break lol
Post by: litster on Tue, 27 November 2018, 11:43:12
I'm just seriously annoyed at how there is seemingly zero worthy improvement to this kit after all this time, and now some people are dismissing criticism as 'fake news' of all things. Ugh.
You think it is okay to repeat unsubstantiated rumor that SATA connection is causing typing lag? Or can you show prove that it is true?
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 27 November 2018, 11:47:16
can we please get 4 handed Goro from mortal kombat to test the theoretical "lag" that apparently is produced when typing 200wmp on VE.A v1
The whole thing has pretty noticable inputlag regardless of how quickly you type, easily 30ms higher than any other board I have. If you want proof, sorry I sold it because of that reason about one and a half years ago.
Post by: ampt on Tue, 27 November 2018, 11:50:43
I'm just seriously annoyed at how there is seemingly zero worthy improvement to this kit after all this time, and now some people are dismissing criticism as 'fake news' of all things. Ugh.
You think it is okay to repeat unsubstantiated rumor that SATA connection is causing typing lag? Or can you show prove that it is true?
Lets just ignore the lag thing since everyone seems to be agreed that the firmware fix seems to work. I still have yet to see any good counters to the following:
SATA connectors have a very low lifespan rating.
SATA cables are harder to find in custom sleeves.
SATA cables don't flex very well, making them harder to move and position.
Or, put another way, why should we use SATA over the myriad of other options; USB C, TRRS, Mini USB? The only real reason to use SATA here is because the first one had SATA, so we don't have to redesign the PCB. That said, it seems like there are pretty substantial things being done to the case itself, leading me to think that this is less about cost savings. Either way, we're pretty stuck in the dark unless OP wants to chime in on their preference for SATA.
Post by: redbanshee on Tue, 27 November 2018, 12:02:15
can we please get 4 handed Goro from mortal kombat to test the theoretical "lag" that apparently is produced when typing 200wmp on VE.A v1
The whole thing has pretty noticable inputlag regardless of how quickly you type, easily 30ms higher than any other board I have. If you want proof, sorry I sold it because of that reason about one and a half years ago.
I own one, I have been gaming on the ve.1 v1 for a very long time, never has it once lagged in any game or effected my performance on FPS's at all. I have never ever noticed lag with my ve.a.
build album here for proof: https://imgur.com/a/lR64b
Post by: clik_clak on Tue, 27 November 2018, 12:03:13
I'm in, provided that SATA is replaced with USB. I don't believe the cable is responsible for the lag, obviously, it's just a couple piece of wire, but sata ports are incredibly flimsy.
I think it's clear from this thread that the IC starter is not very motivated to change the SATA connector to USB.
I like retro computing as much as most people here, but this dedication to SATA of all things is just something else.
Also, I saw the logo update, and I still find it extremely cringey. Do people really enjoy seeing all those visible holes on their expensive keyboards? Paging r/trypophobiaShow Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=98324.0;attach=207817;image)
This is by far the worst R2 I've ever seen. All the complaints from R1 were ignored, with extra new stuffs that nobody asked for or wanted.
Then don't buy it, simple as that. Let your wallet do your talking for you.
He's not going to have any problems selling the ones he does though.
So you're saying we should ONLY say positive things in IC threads? Are you so against criticism?
Can't you stop thinking in black and white and understand that I'm posting here because I really want to get a VE.A ever since OP teased R2 on the VE.A thread since last year or so?
I'm just seriously annoyed at how there is seemingly zero worthy improvement to this kit after all this time, and now some people are dismissing criticism as 'fake news' of all things. Ugh.
It is fake news until you can prove it's not. Go ahead and show all this magical proof that its the SATA cable that's causing the lag. Once you can do that, you may have a valid point.
I've already pointed out that people have experienced similar lag with other pcb's with similar firmware/hardware...and those aren't even split boards. Hell, how can we even say its the keyboard itself? Maybe the people experiencing lag are using a motherboard with a certain USB controller that has issues with the firmware? Maybe they're plugging into s USB hub that's causing lag. Maybe there's 20 other causes for the lag that haven't been considered to anyone.
You can be as negative as you want. Don't expect everyone to agree with you, and if you have such huge complaints, there's nothing stopping you from designing your own board with all the fixes you would like to see made. I'm 100% positive you'd have no problems selling these in mass if you can get everything made...Just like this seller is going to have no problem all of these ones as well.
Post by: litster on Tue, 27 November 2018, 12:18:35
It is fake news until you can prove it's not. Go ahead and show all this magical proof that its the SATA cable that's causing the lag. Once you can do that, you may have a valid point.
I've already pointed out that people have experienced similar lag with other pcb's with similar firmware/hardware...and those aren't even split boards. Hell, how can we even say its the keyboard itself? Maybe the people experiencing lag are using a motherboard with a certain USB controller that has issues with the firmware? Maybe they're plugging into s USB hub that's causing lag. Maybe there's 20 other causes for the lag that haven't been considered to anyone.
You can be as negative as you want. Don't expect everyone to agree with you, and if you have such huge complaints, there's nothing stopping you from designing your own board with all the fixes you would like to see made. I'm 100% positive you'd have no problems selling these in mass if you can get everything made...Just like this seller is going to have no problem all of these ones as well.
Well said.
Post by: litster on Tue, 27 November 2018, 12:26:09
Lets just ignore the lag thing since everyone seems to be agreed that the firmware fix seems to work. I still have yet to see any good counters to the following:
SATA connectors have a very low lifespan rating.
SATA cables are harder to find in custom sleeves.
SATA cables don't flex very well, making them harder to move and position.
Or, put another way, why should we use SATA over the myriad of other options; USB C, TRRS, Mini USB? The only real reason to use SATA here is because the first one had SATA, so we don't have to redesign the PCB. That said, it seems like there are pretty substantial things being done to the case itself, leading me to think that this is less about cost savings. Either way, we're pretty stuck in the dark unless OP wants to chime in on their preference for SATA.
Not arguing there aren't any better solution than SATA for connector durability. only arguing there has been no prove that SATA is causing lag. I can imagine there are plenty of reasons why SATA was chosen and why it is staying as it is. OP said they are looking into other options. Whatever else options they investigate, I am sure people including myself will find flaws with them.
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 27 November 2018, 12:27:10
I own one, I have been gaming on the ve.1 v1 for a very long time, never has it once lagged in any game or effected my performance on FPS's at all. I have never ever noticed lag with my ve.a.
build album here for proof: https://imgur.com/a/lR64b
I think discrediting other people's experience(s) because you didn't encounter the same problem is a little naive though, that said if the bootmapper option fixes it reliably (which should be extensively tested by the person running the buy rather than prospect buyers, imo) then it's not really as big a deal - still silly to use SATA, I think pointing out people calling it a "deal breaker" when it obviously has a bunch of challenges that shouldn't be a thing with a board of this quality/price is hardly warranted.
You can be as negative as you want. Don't expect everyone to agree with you, and if you have such huge complaints, there's nothing stopping you from designing your own board with all the fixes you would like to see made. I'm 100% positive you'd have no problems selling these in mass if you can get everything made...Just like this seller is going to have no problem all of these ones as well.
He doesn't need everyone to agree with him, the fact not everyone does doesn't invalidate the fact some do/have experienced the same issue or other problems in general with the SATA cable. I don't understand the political correctness to this extent, you're defending something/someone that doesn't need defending - the idea being pitched is a new VE.A, people are giving input (good and bad) regarding the design and decisions made, just as they do in every other IC which is the whole point. The fact some people seem to think the IC is being "ruined" is ridiculous and worrying.
Just because there'll be enough people buying this revision as it stands doesn't mean sales and/or customer satisfaction wouldn't be higher if the concerns people who WANT to buy one have were addressed. Discrediting critical feedback is exactly what you do not want to do, thankfully OP realises that as per his latest posts.
Post by: switchnollie on Tue, 27 November 2018, 12:36:28
Either way, we're pretty stuck in the dark unless OP wants to chime in on their preference for SATA.
My man fought the last boss of kb-kustoms to get there.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79183.msg2042517#msg2042517
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 27 November 2018, 12:40:35
I personally don't know enough about the matter to be able to answer this but it's widely accepted as fact from the other owners I've spoken to who know a lot more than I do - surely someone can chime in considering the amount comments that have already been made against.
OK. This is basically hearsay and somehow it is believed to be fact. This is how fake news come to be.
There is no prove so far that I can see any lag is due to using a SATA connection between the two halves. If it is because of the SATA connection, then it would happen only (or most of the time) on the right half and not the left half. You can use the left half of the keyboard without connecting the right half. Hitting the Q key for example doesn't require the SATA cable so there should be no lag typing on the left half.
Speaking specifically on this -- I do not have my own VE.A anymore as of the past month, but I experienced this specifically -- when typing a word like "sole" it would type as "soel" -- the right hand side would lag behind the left when typing. I wish I did have the keyboard to test it out for people. I am personally more concerned about the longevity of a SATA connector given the fewer number of insertion cycles it can handle on a basis of mechanical stress.
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 27 November 2018, 12:47:34
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 27 November 2018, 12:53:10
can we please get 4 handed Goro from mortal kombat to test the theoretical "lag" that apparently is produced when typing 200wmp on VE.A v1
The whole thing has pretty noticable inputlag regardless of how quickly you type, easily 30ms higher than any other board I have. If you want proof, sorry I sold it because of that reason about one and a half years ago.
I own one, I have been gaming on the ve.1 v1 for a very long time, never has it once lagged in any game or effected my performance on FPS's at all. I have never ever noticed lag with my ve.a.
build album here for proof: https://imgur.com/a/lR64b
Oh yea, doesn't really impact FPS's at all, I tried playing rhythm games on it and it was impossible, the number of 30ms isn't made up because that's how much my timing shifted backwards when I used that board which made it utter hell to use for that use case.
Post by: MajorKoos on Tue, 27 November 2018, 13:12:57
I don't own a VE.A, but it's clear that whatever latency issues there might be are firmware-related or due to some other components than SATA cables. Even if it were actual SATA communication (which apparently it's not anyway), even the first generation of SATA interface was able to transmit 1.5Gbit per second, which is far more information than relatively simple keyboard communication requires. It should be more of convenience and aesthetics design choice to go with something else like USB-C, but it's possible SATA connection was more convenient for the PCB and code designer(s).
SATA was chosen because of the number of conductors in the cable.
They needed enough for both i2c connection between the haves as well as the power and data line for the LEDs.
The connector itself was actually quite problematic from a manufacturing perspective and required that the designers manually modify the connector. That's why everyone is asking about SATA - it was already a problem back then.
Post by: NAV on Tue, 27 November 2018, 15:21:37
I'm in, provided that SATA is replaced with USB. I don't believe the cable is responsible for the lag, obviously, it's just a couple piece of wire, but sata ports are incredibly flimsy.
I think it's clear from this thread that the IC starter is not very motivated to change the SATA connector to USB.
I like retro computing as much as most people here, but this dedication to SATA of all things is just something else.
Also, I saw the logo update, and I still find it extremely cringey. Do people really enjoy seeing all those visible holes on their expensive keyboards? Paging r/trypophobiaShow Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=98324.0;attach=207817;image)
This is by far the worst R2 I've ever seen. All the complaints from R1 were ignored, with extra new stuffs that nobody asked for or wanted.
Then don't buy it, simple as that. Let your wallet do your talking for you.
He's not going to have any problems selling the ones he does though.
So you're saying we should ONLY say positive things in IC threads? Are you so against criticism?
Can't you stop thinking in black and white and understand that I'm posting here because I really want to get a VE.A ever since OP teased R2 on the VE.A thread since last year or so?
I'm just seriously annoyed at how there is seemingly zero worthy improvement to this kit after all this time, and now some people are dismissing criticism as 'fake news' of all things. Ugh.
It is fake news until you can prove it's not. Go ahead and show all this magical proof that its the SATA cable that's causing the lag. Once you can do that, you may have a valid point.
I've already pointed out that people have experienced similar lag with other pcb's with similar firmware/hardware...and those aren't even split boards. Hell, how can we even say its the keyboard itself? Maybe the people experiencing lag are using a motherboard with a certain USB controller that has issues with the firmware? Maybe they're plugging into s USB hub that's causing lag. Maybe there's 20 other causes for the lag that haven't been considered to anyone.
You can be as negative as you want. Don't expect everyone to agree with you, and if you have such huge complaints, there's nothing stopping you from designing your own board with all the fixes you would like to see made. I'm 100% positive you'd have no problems selling these in mass if you can get everything made...Just like this seller is going to have no problem all of these ones as well.
Did you even bother to read the post you replied to? nguyenhimself did not mention the latency issue whatsoever. There were other critiques - the SATA issue is not just because of the latency, but also for replugging and aesthetics. Additionally, he/she mentioned the logo change which has been extremely controversial in the comments.
Don't dismiss criticism just because you want to give that succ. As said previously in this topic, just because something sells doesn't mean it can't be improved upon.
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 27 November 2018, 15:26:56
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Tue, 27 November 2018, 15:35:29
The Chinese copied you, and they did a better job!!!!
The Chinese copied you, and it looks like crap.*
FTFY
Post by: wholypantalones on Tue, 27 November 2018, 15:58:04
The Chinese copied you, and they did a better job!!!!
The Chinese copied you, and it looks like crap.*
FTFY
Since we're throwing opinions around; aside from the logo, it's actually not that bad.
Post by: KaosJ on Tue, 27 November 2018, 16:00:55
- No important updates at all, same design more or less.
- The only update makes no sense (nameplate), it's kinda ugly, at least make it brass or copper at the same height of the case to give it any sense.
- NO BRASS used at all: no brass plates, no brass weights, no brass nameplate.
- All this time and the feets still makes no sense, at least make it in a way which should support the natural inclination too (once the keyboard is joined).
- Probably mini USB + Sata? Sure is this 2005 afterall, why Type-C, why whatever connector superior to Sata (or pogopins which is old tech which looks good)
- BootMapperClient. Sure who wants QMK afterall /s
- Only Stainless steel plate, ok.
:rolleyes:
Post by: superdoedoe on Tue, 27 November 2018, 16:21:38
Post by: ykill on Tue, 27 November 2018, 16:37:53
Since we do move our keyboards occasionally, then it would make sense to use a more durable cable.
Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk
Post by: heyitsqi on Tue, 27 November 2018, 16:41:07
SATA: If there's lag that's problematic but the fact that it's SATA and not something like USB-C is kind of annoying
BMC: I much rather prefer QMK since I use a ton of QMK features but that's just my own usage
Brass: Would be nice to give heft. One big compliant I have of my Ergodox EZ is it just feels so damn light/cheap but again I accept that that's a me issue.
Post by: tchalikias on Tue, 27 November 2018, 19:07:03
The Chinese copied you, and they did a better job!!!!
The Chinese copied you, and it looks like crap.*
FTFY
Since we're throwing opinions around; aside from the logo, it's actually not that bad.
I have to say that in hand this feels pretty solid all around, and it's obvious that it's creator paid attention to quite a few details. As for the logo, while I do not like it, it does not bother me at all.
Post by: [Lewynlight] on Wed, 28 November 2018, 02:29:21
VE.A is easily identified because it have its SATA cables. it's basically it's identity.
if oddforge changes his design, the keyboard is just another '75% split' keyboard. it will lose its identity.
might be weird things to say, but yeah.
Post by: mike52787 on Wed, 28 November 2018, 07:41:36
SATA is one of the coolest parts of the original VE.A design, no complaints with that here.
Post by: nathanchere on Wed, 28 November 2018, 08:50:50
Post by: joostflux on Wed, 28 November 2018, 09:39:23
Post by: fireworm on Wed, 28 November 2018, 10:05:03
Just my opinion..Dude what are you talking about.
VE.A is easily identified because it have its SATA cables. it's basically it's identity.
if oddforge changes his design, the keyboard is just another '75% split' keyboard. it will lose its identity.
might be weird things to say, but yeah.
How many "split 75s" are there? Two? This and the acrylic Chinese version? Please, point me to another metal frame split keyboard, aside from the Dygma Raise. Anywhere.
This one is clearly higher quality, supports alps. And is actually (hopefully) going the be available (unlike, any other split custom keyboard).
How many 60s are there with barely distinguish differences? Klippe Vs TOFU?
Post by: schoolbus on Wed, 28 November 2018, 10:19:16
Just my opinion..Dude what are you talking about.
VE.A is easily identified because it have its SATA cables. it's basically it's identity.
if oddforge changes his design, the keyboard is just another '75% split' keyboard. it will lose its identity.
might be weird things to say, but yeah.
How many "split 75s" are there? Two? This and the acrylic Chinese version? Please, point me to another metal frame split keyboard, aside from the Dygma Raise. Anywhere.
This one is clearly higher quality, supports alps. And is actually (hopefully) going the be available (unlike, any other split custom keyboard).
How many 60s are there with barely distinguish differences? Klippe Vs TOFU?
There's also the DeltaSplit75 that uses the 3.5mm TRRS cable to connect like let's split.
I think there are many other "distinguishable" features of the VE.A that set it apart and give it it's identity. The biggest complaint of the board is the SATA cable, plain and simple.
It's still the original modern iconic 75% split keyboard as it was the original and still remains the ideal/best IMO.
I don't think there are really that many people who want the keyboard because it uses SATA.
Someone please prove me wrong, but when a VE.A is first spotted by a newcomer the reaction is usually talking about how it's a cool split designed keyboard, not that it uses a cable normally used inside your computer.
Post by: ejewell89 on Wed, 28 November 2018, 10:38:55
also would have liked something different from v1. It's not particularly distinguishable imo.
I've been holding out on a v1 waiting for v2 and now i'm just feeling let down.
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Wed, 28 November 2018, 11:28:14
Post by: Wicky on Wed, 28 November 2018, 11:50:41
Post by: fireworm on Wed, 28 November 2018, 11:55:25
There's also the DeltaSplit75 that uses the 3.5mm TRRS cable to connect like let's split.
Didn't see that one. Looked it up, and looks like it was just the PCB; no case.
Anyway, my point is 'split staggered' keyboards come around (it seems) once a year, so I'll likely take what I can get... Unlike the insane amount of 'let's split' kits, or 'helidox' kits, 60% 'with side leds', TKL's, etc.
Post by: Araex on Wed, 28 November 2018, 12:00:28
I've been looking forward for this (ergo/split 75% is my preference), and I also think SATA is part of what makes VE.A unique (assuming it's not the cause of possible latency).
But that logo and the mini-USB port is holding this back from being an end-game board.
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Wed, 28 November 2018, 12:28:46
But that logo and the mini-USB port is holding this back from being an end-game board.
How is mini-usb holding it back?
Post by: Araex on Wed, 28 November 2018, 12:35:59
But that logo and the mini-USB port is holding this back from being an end-game board.
How is mini-usb holding it back?
Big part of it for me is aesthetic; USB-C looks significantly better than mini.
And on the practical side, USB-mini just aren't very commonly used, so that factors into carrying an extra cable, switching cables when switching keyboards, etc.
Post by: fireworm on Wed, 28 November 2018, 13:23:05
I registered on this site just to make a comment for this lol.
I've been looking forward for this (ergo/split 75% is my preference), and I also think SATA is part of what makes VE.A unique (assuming it's not the cause of possible latency).
But that logo and the mini-USB port is holding this back from being an end-game board.
Welcome to the rabbit hole! :)
??? Last year, all 'end game' boards were USB-micro / USB-mini.
IMO, 'end-game' is about switches, caps, board materials, THEN (important, but not the most important), aesthetics / logos, layouts, THEN, cabling, LED's.
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Wed, 28 November 2018, 13:54:08
I also think SATA is part of what makes VE.A unique (assuming it's not the cause of possible latency).
And on the practical side, USB-mini just aren't very commonly used, so that factors into carrying an extra cable, switching cables when switching keyboards, etc.
Arguing FOR SATA connectors and then saying that USB-mini shouldn't be used because it "just aren't very commonly used" is crazy. USB mini is worlds above micro in terms of use and durability.
Post by: Araex on Wed, 28 November 2018, 14:18:08
I registered on this site just to make a comment for this lol.
I've been looking forward for this (ergo/split 75% is my preference), and I also think SATA is part of what makes VE.A unique (assuming it's not the cause of possible latency).
But that logo and the mini-USB port is holding this back from being an end-game board.
Welcome to the rabbit hole! :)
??? Last year, all 'end game' boards were USB-micro / USB-mini.
IMO, 'end-game' is about switches, caps, board materials, THEN (important, but not the most important), aesthetics / logos, layouts, THEN, cabling, LED's.
Thanks! I feel like type-c in general only really picked up popularity the 2nd half of this year, so I can understand why mini/macro are still popular choices.
And I agree with your end-game priority; I'm waiting for my switches tester to come so I don't blindly buy switches!
I also think SATA is part of what makes VE.A unique (assuming it's not the cause of possible latency).And on the practical side, USB-mini just aren't very commonly used, so that factors into carrying an extra cable, switching cables when switching keyboards, etc.
Arguing FOR SATA connectors and then saying that USB-mini shouldn't be used because it "just aren't very commonly used" is crazy. USB mini is worlds above micro in terms of use and durability.
I've accrued a number of custom SATA cables from building PCs over the years, so maybe that's why I like it and think it adds a unique flair to the keyboard.
And I didn't advocate for USB-micro; if I'd have it my way, it'd use the lighting connector since it's the least flimsy connector of all the common used data cables, and type-c being the practical preference.
Post by: MajorKoos on Wed, 28 November 2018, 15:24:18
That's a nice improvement over R1.
Post by: KaosJ on Wed, 28 November 2018, 15:53:20
I also think SATA is part of what makes VE.A unique (assuming it's not the cause of possible latency).And on the practical side, USB-mini just aren't very commonly used, so that factors into carrying an extra cable, switching cables when switching keyboards, etc.
Arguing FOR SATA connectors and then saying that USB-mini shouldn't be used because it "just aren't very commonly used" is crazy. USB mini is worlds above micro in terms of use and durability.
but also worlds below type-c
Post by: bthezebra on Wed, 28 November 2018, 16:13:53
Post by: MajorKoos on Wed, 28 November 2018, 16:29:44
It's going to be a while if and when we see anything.
Do you know this definitively? or are you just speculating?Thank you! I saw this one but I thought the price was a bit high...but I guess that seems to be the only good baseline. 750 is enough to build a decent PC lol.
I spent $700 on mine, which is actually more than I was trying to put a PC together for =P
Considering the time it was simply between the korean VeA GB and the Massdrop one, the time the IC was on here etc. It'll be a whole while.
The exception would be a R2, but he's denied it over and over
and over again :blank:
The thing is... we actually got several(hmm... yeh, tens) requests about stock or next round.
We released about 200 VE.As to geeky-mates all over the world. AND really proud of it :)
We don't care about rarity. But it's a bit old now. For a year and a half, we stuck in one model.
And VE.A is not suitable for production, SATA connector needs to be cut by BARE hands. and it's bugging me. and of course, was hard to handle.
So...
It's like chain-reaction kind of thing.
We want it to be fixed. Yeh.
That means, we need to fix cases also.
If we have to fix case, why not design a new one?
Thoughts reached here so far, still not ended. like cost, tilting, material, diffusing and so on.
And most of all, I am such a lazy bastard.
We are hoping you don't lose interests on us before we come back.
Hey, what a nice day to swim in thick smog! Damn. I got bad throat ouch.
This is the conversation I keep thinking of when discussing the SATA connection.
Post by: cirrus82 on Wed, 28 November 2018, 17:29:49
1. If there are latency issues, I'd hope they'd be addressed. I would be really surprised if this were due to the type of cable. Sounds like firmware would be more likely to blame.
2. The reliability of the SATA connector breaking is secondary, but it would be nice if this could be addressed since this is a v2.
3. Trendy materials (like Brass) don't matter if they don't fit the designer's vision for the board. I personally don't care for it on this product.
4. Seems like the "armored" theme was carried on to the logo, but I still feel that aesthetically it's a mismatch with the sleekness of the rest of the board. I'd like to see what it looks like without it since they are replaceable.
Overall, the excitement for this board is palpable. Don't let the negativity get you down PainMaster, you clearly have a product people want and will have no problem finding demand.
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 28 November 2018, 17:53:15
These are personal desires/priorities. There are a lot of statements in this thread made as if they're speaking for the majority. Hope PainMaster tallies these up for themselves.
1. If there are latency issues, I'd hope they'd be addressed. I would be really surprised if this were due to the type of cable. Sounds like firmware would be more likely to blame.
2. The reliability of the SATA connector breaking is secondary, but it would be nice if this could be addressed since this is a v2.
3. Trendy materials (like Brass) don't matter if they don't fit the designer's vision for the board. I personally don't care for it on this product.
4. Seems like the "armored" theme was carried on to the logo, but I still feel that aesthetically it's a mismatch with the sleekness of the rest of the board. I'd like to see what it looks like without it since they are replaceable.
Overall, the excitement for this board is palpable. Don't let the negativity get you down PainMaster, you clearly have a product people want and will have no problem finding demand.
You offered both positive and negative input, however the remainder of people's concerns are "negativity" which shouldn't get "OP down" because he'll still sell keyboards no matter how much can be improved upon with a little more work put in. Sounds a little contradictory, maybe even hypocritical, does it not? No one's been rude in this thread at all, I'm not sure where the notion PainMaster is a damsel in distress in need of rescue from the evil people who want the best for him and his keyboard and want him to succeed is coming from, as stated prior.
Post by: Kavik on Wed, 28 November 2018, 22:47:23
I like the slight tenting.
I am somewhat indifferent about the nameplate. If I had to choose, I'd say the original was slightly better, mostly because it was flatter and it had space for the whole name "VE.A" instead of just "VE". If the new one could be countersunk into the case a bit with a smaller font to fit the whole name, that would be cool.
I don't care what cable connects the two halves.
Post by: dallman5 on Thu, 29 November 2018, 00:48:04
disappointed in the SATA cable usage.
also would have liked something different from v1. It's not particularly distinguishable imo.
I've been holding out on a v1 waiting for v2 and now i'm just feeling let down.
Agreed, especially on that last point :feelsbadman:
Post by: Delirious on Thu, 29 November 2018, 16:50:21
help
(https://i.imgur.com/SVAXALg.jpg)
Post by: forevermadrigal on Thu, 29 November 2018, 17:37:56
Hi, the SATA cable is so bad, I have to switch back to mini USB cables. Now my table is full of cable.
helpMoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/SVAXALg.jpg)
Maximum efficiency poggers
Post by: Spaghetti on Thu, 29 November 2018, 17:39:33
Post by: ArchDill on Thu, 29 November 2018, 18:00:49
Post by: Gajible on Thu, 29 November 2018, 18:24:49
This design seems like a step backward from the first. It is still rad, but it seems "cheaper" looking compared to V1
Definitely. I wonder how much of the bottom case is actually machined, as well?
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 29 November 2018, 20:00:37
This design seems like a step backward from the first. It is still rad, but it seems "cheaper" looking compared to V1
Definitely. I wonder how much of the bottom case is actually machined, as well?
it's a nine part case, so the tenting screws into the bottom
Post by: rmendis on Thu, 29 November 2018, 21:14:28
On a positive note I do like the new cutout shape for the lighting.
That's a nice improvement over R1.
Interesting. I prefer the straight sleekness of the v1 cutout, over the v2.
Post by: keubibo on Fri, 30 November 2018, 06:33:14
and the old logo too. thanks :D
Post by: krisst on Fri, 30 November 2018, 09:15:38
I don't mind the SATA cable choice to connect the 2 halves, most of the time, it does not move on my table. I would be nice to see design change to use other connections. Is it possible to use Type-C to connect them? That would be an upgrade.
I do feel that most custom cable sites do not have custom Type-C cable yet, hope to see more sites offer that as more keyboard GB are heading that way.
I read somewhere before the A in VE.A means armor. Many previous iterations are made of acrylic. Personally do not like the new logo, also don't see the need for interchangeable logo. This will just increase cost of production.
Looks like the changes will be small for this run. Probably not going to join unless there is a huge improvement. If it is up to me, I would just keep the same design as the last one, change all connections to Type-C. Both input and connecting the halves.
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Fri, 30 November 2018, 10:13:16
Can connect the two halves with a ****ing spaghetti noodle if it’s $20 and ships to my doorstep same day.
I liked the v1 and I like the v2 even if the look isn’t drastically different. Is there the connectable wrist rests? Or what’s the full kit?
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 30 November 2018, 11:12:47
Only if this Ultimate Hacking keyboard has completed R&D phase for all its modules, and has two function key columns on the left like the VE.A and arrow keys on the right, and then with a sandwiched metal case construction.
(https://www.crowdsupply.com/img/e94f/addon-modules-2-white-1_png_open-graph.jpg)
Post by: keubibo on Sat, 01 December 2018, 01:02:04
Slightly off-topic but quite related:
Only if this Ultimate Hacking keyboard has completed R&D phase for all its modules, and has two function key columns on the left like the VE.A and arrow keys on the right, and then with a sandwiched metal case construction.Show Image(https://www.crowdsupply.com/img/e94f/addon-modules-2-white-1_png_open-graph.jpg)
:D i prefer arrow key than that ! btw it's cool design too
Post by: Little4Real on Tue, 04 December 2018, 19:12:43
Post by: Skull_Angel on Wed, 05 December 2018, 01:52:18
I personally have no issue with SATA; if you build your own PCs you have tons laying around and they're cheap as dirt, if not.
Edit: it looks like you can get CAT7 wire in stranded core, so that nixes the durability issue.
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 05 December 2018, 03:03:09
Since the number of wires is what's important, wouldn't CAT/ethernet cable work? It's much easier to get custom lengths for than most peripheral cables, easier to work with for custom diy (imo). Though I'm not sure if it is much more durable since it is also solid-core wire, iirc.
I personally have no issue with SATA; if you build your own PCs you have tons laying around and they're cheap as dirt, if not.
Edit: it looks like you can get CAT7 wire in stranded core, so that nixes the durability issue.
i offer a counterpoint
USB or TRRS
sensible common connectors you can find at a drugstore if you need one in a pinch
Post by: menuhin on Wed, 05 December 2018, 06:28:34
It can be a robust solution.
Post by: mike52787 on Wed, 05 December 2018, 07:51:53
Keep SATA. #SATAdidnothingwrong
Post by: Skull_Angel on Wed, 05 December 2018, 10:07:34
Since the number of wires is what's important, wouldn't CAT/ethernet cable work? It's much easier to get custom lengths for than most peripheral cables, easier to work with for custom diy (imo). Though I'm not sure if it is much more durable since it is also solid-core wire, iirc.
I personally have no issue with SATA; if you build your own PCs you have tons laying around and they're cheap as dirt, if not.
Edit: it looks like you can get CAT7 wire in stranded core, so that nixes the durability issue.
i offer a counterpoint
USB or TRRS
sensible common connectors you can find at a drugstore if you need one in a pinch
Search criteria; https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79183.msg2042517#msg2042517
I see the main reason as being cost of cable and ease of finding it at reasonable cost. 5-pin TRRS-to-TRRS isn't exactly common place and USB-to-USB isn't any cheaper than SATA (it isn't common in B&M stores anymore either).
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 05 December 2018, 13:11:50
Since the number of wires is what's important, wouldn't CAT/ethernet cable work? It's much easier to get custom lengths for than most peripheral cables, easier to work with for custom diy (imo). Though I'm not sure if it is much more durable since it is also solid-core wire, iirc.
I personally have no issue with SATA; if you build your own PCs you have tons laying around and they're cheap as dirt, if not.
Edit: it looks like you can get CAT7 wire in stranded core, so that nixes the durability issue.
i offer a counterpoint
USB or TRRS
sensible common connectors you can find at a drugstore if you need one in a pinch
Search criteria; https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79183.msg2042517#msg2042517
I see the main reason as being cost of cable and ease of finding it at reasonable cost. 5-pin TRRS-to-TRRS isn't exactly common place and USB-to-USB isn't any cheaper than SATA (it isn't common in B&M stores anymore either).
other split boards use them and they have no problems though
Post by: fireworm on Wed, 05 December 2018, 13:22:15
Since the number of wires is what's important, wouldn't CAT/ethernet cable work? It's much easier to get custom lengths for than most peripheral cables, easier to work with for custom diy (imo). Though I'm not sure if it is much more durable since it is also solid-core wire, iirc.
I personally have no issue with SATA; if you build your own PCs you have tons laying around and they're cheap as dirt, if not.
Edit: it looks like you can get CAT7 wire in stranded core, so that nixes the durability issue.
i offer a counterpoint
USB or TRRS
sensible common connectors you can find at a drugstore if you need one in a pinch
Search criteria; https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79183.msg2042517#msg2042517
I see the main reason as being cost of cable and ease of finding it at reasonable cost. 5-pin TRRS-to-TRRS isn't exactly common place and USB-to-USB isn't any cheaper than SATA (it isn't common in B&M stores anymore either).
USB-C has 24 pins.
#bringBackTheParallelPort.
Post by: Skull_Angel on Wed, 05 December 2018, 16:08:39
other split boards use them and they have no problems though
What? This is more of a financial decision, if you ask me.
USB-C has 24 pins.
#bringBackTheParallelPort.
Yes, it does, but the connector can be flipped. Since the connector is just a connector and doesn't use special protocol, I could see that possibly causing problems.
____________________
I don't pretend to have the answers since I'm not the designer, but reasoning out the decision from what's been listed makes enough sense. SATA is the most economical choice, with the only real concern being durability; from first hand experience, I've only had issues with durability of the connector on old SATA 1 (unshrouded) vertical connectors where dealing with wire management ended up bending/breaking the connector from snagging the cable (yes, you can be clumsy and still build PCs, haha), which is something I've yet to experience with SATA 2/3 (shrouded) connectors.
Imo, you're more likely to end up breaking the wire (because solid core doesn't like to be bent a lot) than have the connector fail on you.
Post by: AfroMax on Thu, 06 December 2018, 04:19:21
Post by: switchnollie on Thu, 06 December 2018, 12:44:32
using USB or TRRS would make the VE.A look like basically every other split board ever made. BORING.
Keep SATA. #SATAdidnothingwrong
They's already done it with our TKLs, keep the VE.A stylin :cool:
Post by: dubious on Fri, 07 December 2018, 20:27:34
It would be nice to see some hard evidence of latency issues because I feel like it's a little overblown. I've used my VE.A as a daily driver at work since the initial GB without any latency issues over 100wpm. If there is any delay, it's not because of a SATA cable. Like other people have pointed out a SATA cable's throughput exceeds what is needed for sending row/column info. Oddforge has said it's not using the SATA protocol, so if any delay is present it's probably caused by firmware or how the connection is implemented. (I believe each side has a separate controller with one forwarding data to the other, which seems the more likely culprit, but I might be remembering this wrong and I don't have mine in front of me.)
I feel like the longevity of the plug is also not as big of an issue as it's being made out to be. For some people who relocate or travel with their keyboards it's probably a warranted concern. But if you aren't regularly plugging/unplugging your keyboard or manhandling the cables, you should be fine. I've taken mine to/from work dozens of times without issue, but YMMV.
I am definitely interested in getting a second VE.A as it's been one of my favorite kustoms to own and use.
Dat logo ugly tho...
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 07 December 2018, 23:58:13
I think some people forgot this was an Interest Check and not a ****-in-this-thread kinda post :))
It would be nice to see some hard evidence of latency issues because I feel like it's a little overblown. I've used my VE.A as a daily driver at work since the initial GB without any latency issues over 100wpm. If there is any delay, it's not because of a SATA cable. Like other people have pointed out a SATA cable's throughput exceeds what is needed for sending row/column info. Oddforge has said it's not using the SATA protocol, so if any delay is present it's probably caused by firmware or how the connection is implemented. (I believe each side has a separate controller with one forwarding data to the other, which seems the more likely culprit, but I might be remembering this wrong and I don't have mine in front of me.)
I feel like the longevity of the plug is also not as big of an issue as it's being made out to be. For some people who relocate or travel with their keyboards it's probably a warranted concern. But if you aren't regularly plugging/unplugging your keyboard or manhandling the cables, you should be fine. I've taken mine to/from work dozens of times without issue, but YMMV.
I am definitely interested in getting a second VE.A as it's been one of my favorite kustoms to own and use.
Dat logo ugly tho...
yeah, after a little investigating the lag was most likely due to debounce rate
i travel with a keyboard a lot, so that's what kills me with this
although since i sold my weaven i don't move around with a board much anymore
im with you on p much all points though
i like the logo
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Sat, 08 December 2018, 01:38:23
Post by: KaosJ on Sat, 08 December 2018, 03:07:10
Post by: nastrovje on Sat, 08 December 2018, 03:36:57
Post by: OracleKev on Sat, 08 December 2018, 05:04:20
Fix the latency issues and the name badge and I'm in :thumb:
+1
EDIT: fix the latency issue if there is one. It's not clear if there is one or not.
Post by: litster on Sat, 08 December 2018, 05:22:39
Post by: switchnollie on Sat, 08 December 2018, 13:56:02
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 08 December 2018, 14:10:02
Please STOP repeating unsubstantiated rumor about lag with VE.A unless you can provide reproducible steps to the VE.A team. There has been no prove the lag exists other than hearsay. Show us the prove and steps to reproduce the problem so it can be debugged and fixed.
when litster posts about it you know it's serious ****
i've been digging for info about it pretty much since this IC came up and i can't find anything other than a few GH/reddit threads with no real proof, and a few people saying that adjusting debounce rate fixes it
in other words, it's not the sata cable
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Sat, 08 December 2018, 14:39:27
Post by: fireworm on Sat, 08 December 2018, 15:27:47
I have one and have never noticed any lag. Though I top out at like 70/80 WPM.Could you experiment with the debounce, as others have reported, and see if that produces lag?
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Sat, 08 December 2018, 16:02:05
I have one and have never noticed any lag. Though I top out at like 70/80 WPM.Could you experiment with the debounce, as others have reported, and see if that produces lag?
I don't know what debounce is, I don't know that I want to introduce something that would create lag though
Post by: MajorKoos on Sat, 08 December 2018, 17:04:12
I have one and have never noticed any lag. Though I top out at like 70/80 WPM.Could you experiment with the debounce, as others have reported, and see if that produces lag?
I don't know what debounce is, I don't know that I want to introduce something that would create lag though
It's a configurable delay built into most firmware to deal with potential ghost keypresses if the keyboard matrix is scanned to often/rapidly.
The theory is that the lag is caused by the debounce delay being set too high and that lowering it will resolve the issue.
[attach=1]
Set it to 1.
If you run into issues with keys being registered multiple times keep bumping it up by 1 until it stops.
Post by: rondg on Sun, 09 December 2018, 00:30:05
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Sun, 09 December 2018, 14:38:23
Hi guys. Do we have a price for VE.A and when it will run?
We don't
Post by: ildustry on Sun, 09 December 2018, 18:25:22
I`m so glad to tell you in a long time.
I think I should give you an explanation of VE.A2
After finish GB VE.A1, we got a lot of contacts. But as you know, we can not make 10~20 sets easily.
We were worried and decided to make a second keyboard.
We are hoping that the VE.A we made will be used by many people. So we wanted to lower the price, which was too expensive.
The expected price for this VE.A2 is $320(initially I wanted $290).
I did not want to reduce the quality or components as the price went down, and I`m going to do the QC straight.
The apprearance of VE.A2 is similar now, but the part inside has changed a lot.
For example, polycarbonate to fix the comforters when using VE.A 1.
Many conversations are coming and going because of sata cable. Of course we also designed it first with usb-c.
When VE.A1 first came out, sata cable was a big issue. But now I`ve been using the VE.A prototype for the fourth year, but I`ve never felt anyting like a sata cable failure ever called a delay issue.
Also I have never heard of delayed issues with email or any other path.(I was surprised to hear about this IC for the first time)
It is a design part to keep using sata. I did not want the shape of the aluminum case to be strange because of the round shape of usb-c.
Since the sata slots are rectangular, we thought it was advantageous to connect "exectly" to VE.A.
I`m really sorry about the loge... I think it was missing details.
We thought it would be nice to have something "color" in the aluminum case.
However, in order to put the color directly on the body, there was a risk that one piece of the top board could be discarded
I wanted to be assembled in small pieces, and the complicated use of colors was because you wanted to be able to see and see the colors.
Of course, if you do not put the color like the VE.A1, you can use it as before. You can choice.
Tendin kits are included in the basic kit as well. I wanted to include a tinting kit when doing vea1, but due to the weight of the tinting kit
I had a problem with shipping too much, so I wanted to fix it in vea2.
Four pieces of tinting kits can be tilted to the left and right and can be tilted up and down. I'll take a more detailed picture of this.
There are many factors that raise prices (veins, tenting parts, color logos, etc.) than vea1.
I wanted to reduce the price from $ 420 to $ 320. Many people wanted to use it.
We know that users who use vea1 do not have a lot of special elements to buy vea2.
We talk again, but we have a job and do not want to make money on the keyboard.
But I do not want to make things out of quality or problems. I hope you like VE.A.
We will try to reconsider the delay issue and sata cable replacement again.
Thanks!
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 09 December 2018, 19:36:18
We will try to reconsider the delay issue and sata cable replacement again.
Thanks!
Thank you for reaching out to the community - I personally appreciate the fact you're willing to work with what people that really do love the VE.A to try and solve or work on the things people seem to have issues with.
As stated previously I personally admit to having jumped to conclusions fairly quickly in that the SATA cable is to blame for the lag I (and others) experienced, based off of conversations I saw/took part in previously where I took people's knowledge of the problem for granted without considering they may not be completely correct and that's my bad. That said, if the implementation and/or firmware is the cause and not the physical SATA cable itself, however you choose to resolve this is alright with me. I'd like to see it gone in favour of a different connector for the reasons people have hammered on in previous pages that I don't need to repeat but I trust your judgement. Truth be told, I do also think SATA looks really cool and is unique, as well as it being part of why the board is so legendary.
Addressing the logo, to me and in my opinion the main issue is not so much the colour as it is the fact it sticks out far too high compared to the rest of the board and in that it breaks the beautiful streamlined top down view of the original VE.A - if it was sunk into the case (if that is possible, I don't know if it is), or just much shorter in height, I think people would like it more. At least I would. Would it also potentially be possible to offer monochrome and colour version of the badges so that people could choose for themselves, or would that mess with the machining etc and move up costs etc?
Lastly, I want to state my appreciation for the price point you are aiming for - with tenting and everything else that is included, for such an iconic board that people really do love and want, I think it's a really telling move that you'd want to go for something as low as $300 when you could easily charge twice as much. That's a big deal to me, and surely for others too.
Post by: [Lewynlight] on Mon, 10 December 2018, 00:13:38
Hi! Geek~~~~~!!!!!!!
I`m so glad to tell you in a long time.
I think I should give you an explanation of VE.A2
After finish GB VE.A1, we got a lot of contacts. But as you know, we can not make 10~20 sets easily.
We were worried and decided to make a second keyboard.
We are hoping that the VE.A we made will be used by many people. So we wanted to lower the price, which was too expensive.
The expected price for this VE.A2 is $320(initially I wanted $290).
I did not want to reduce the quality or components as the price went down, and I`m going to do the QC straight.
The apprearance of VE.A2 is similar now, but the part inside has changed a lot.
For example, polycarbonate to fix the comforters when using VE.A 1.
Many conversations are coming and going because of sata cable. Of course we also designed it first with usb-c.
When VE.A1 first came out, sata cable was a big issue. But now I`ve been using the VE.A prototype for the fourth year, but I`ve never felt anyting like a sata cable failure ever called a delay issue.
Also I have never heard of delayed issues with email or any other path.(I was surprised to hear about this IC for the first time)
It is a design part to keep using sata. I did not want the shape of the aluminum case to be strange because of the round shape of usb-c.
Since the sata slots are rectangular, we thought it was advantageous to connect "exectly" to VE.A.
I`m really sorry about the loge... I think it was missing details.
We thought it would be nice to have something "color" in the aluminum case.
However, in order to put the color directly on the body, there was a risk that one piece of the top board could be discarded
I wanted to be assembled in small pieces, and the complicated use of colors was because you wanted to be able to see and see the colors.
Of course, if you do not put the color like the VE.A1, you can use it as before. You can choice.
Tendin kits are included in the basic kit as well. I wanted to include a tinting kit when doing vea1, but due to the weight of the tinting kit
I had a problem with shipping too much, so I wanted to fix it in vea2.
Four pieces of tinting kits can be tilted to the left and right and can be tilted up and down. I'll take a more detailed picture of this.
There are many factors that raise prices (veins, tenting parts, color logos, etc.) than vea1.
I wanted to reduce the price from $ 420 to $ 320. Many people wanted to use it.
We know that users who use vea1 do not have a lot of special elements to buy vea2.
We talk again, but we have a job and do not want to make money on the keyboard.
But I do not want to make things out of quality or problems. I hope you like VE.A.
We will try to reconsider the delay issue and sata cable replacement again.
Thanks!
Hi Ildustry,
the price point is sweet. i am not in the market for keyboards anymore (My adventure is coming to an end.) but i might stretch my last budget to get this.
I'll leave the design and the pcb to you.
thanks.
Post by: PainMaster on Mon, 10 December 2018, 01:25:14
the biggest change point of VEA2 is
that It's a bottom part design & a lower price than VEA 1st.
(I was talking to ildustry about the price just 5 mins ago.)
I've always wanted to talking about this,
but, I couldn't because of the circumstances.
to my feeling
don't need any more sound absorbing material.
(I can't find a way to explain how enjoyable that point.)
And, nobody mentioned it, so I'm disappointing...
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 10 December 2018, 01:56:41
In fact,
the biggest change point of VEA2 is
that It's a bottom part design & a lower price than VEA 1st.
(I was talking to ildustry about the price just 5 mins ago.)
I've always wanted to talking about this,
but, I couldn't because of the circumstances.
to my feeling
don't need any more sound absorbing material.
(I can't find a way to explain how enjoyable that point.)
And, nobody mentioned it, so I'm disappointing.
I like the design of this one better than VEA1. I'm excited about the tent kit. I'm not a 75% user so I'm probably going to skip this one, but I think people in this thread are vastly underrating it.
Post by: [Lewynlight] on Mon, 10 December 2018, 02:30:53
In fact,
the biggest change point of VEA2 is
that It's a bottom part design & a lower price than VEA 1st.
(I was talking to ildustry about the price just 5 mins ago.)
I've always wanted to talking about this,
but, I couldn't because of the circumstances.
to my feeling
don't need any more sound absorbing material.
(I can't find a way to explain how enjoyable that point.)
And, nobody mentioned it, so I'm disappointing...
I definitely welcome the lower price point.
about the sound arsorbing, i use my ve.a without any damping at all for full one year. so i don't have any problem about that.
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 10 December 2018, 09:11:53
I like the design of this one better than VEA1. I'm excited about the tent kit. I'm not a 75% user so I'm probably going to skip this one, but I think people in this thread are vastly underrating it.
I also like this design better than the VE.A1, apart from the logo. I think it looks great.
Post by: bthezebra on Mon, 10 December 2018, 10:13:03
Post by: KaosJ on Mon, 10 December 2018, 15:38:59
Hi! Geek~~~~~!!!!!!!
I`m so glad to tell you in a long time.
I think I should give you an explanation of VE.A2
After finish GB VE.A1, we got a lot of contacts. But as you know, we can not make 10~20 sets easily.
We were worried and decided to make a second keyboard.
We are hoping that the VE.A we made will be used by many people. So we wanted to lower the price, which was too expensive.
The expected price for this VE.A2 is $320(initially I wanted $290).
I did not want to reduce the quality or components as the price went down, and I`m going to do the QC straight.
The apprearance of VE.A2 is similar now, but the part inside has changed a lot.
For example, polycarbonate to fix the comforters when using VE.A 1.
Many conversations are coming and going because of sata cable. Of course we also designed it first with usb-c.
When VE.A1 first came out, sata cable was a big issue. But now I`ve been using the VE.A prototype for the fourth year, but I`ve never felt anyting like a sata cable failure ever called a delay issue.
Also I have never heard of delayed issues with email or any other path.(I was surprised to hear about this IC for the first time)
It is a design part to keep using sata. I did not want the shape of the aluminum case to be strange because of the round shape of usb-c.
Since the sata slots are rectangular, we thought it was advantageous to connect "exectly" to VE.A.
I`m really sorry about the loge... I think it was missing details.
We thought it would be nice to have something "color" in the aluminum case.
However, in order to put the color directly on the body, there was a risk that one piece of the top board could be discarded
I wanted to be assembled in small pieces, and the complicated use of colors was because you wanted to be able to see and see the colors.
Of course, if you do not put the color like the VE.A1, you can use it as before. You can choice.
Tendin kits are included in the basic kit as well. I wanted to include a tinting kit when doing vea1, but due to the weight of the tinting kit
I had a problem with shipping too much, so I wanted to fix it in vea2.
Four pieces of tinting kits can be tilted to the left and right and can be tilted up and down. I'll take a more detailed picture of this.
There are many factors that raise prices (veins, tenting parts, color logos, etc.) than vea1.
I wanted to reduce the price from $ 420 to $ 320. Many people wanted to use it.
We know that users who use vea1 do not have a lot of special elements to buy vea2.
We talk again, but we have a job and do not want to make money on the keyboard.
But I do not want to make things out of quality or problems. I hope you like VE.A.
We will try to reconsider the delay issue and sata cable replacement again.
Thanks!
Could we please just get Brass instead of Stainless Steel in the base kit, and have SS as another option?
I'm like 154320% sure that most of the people prefer brass over SS, sure there might be someone preferring SS, but the big part of the community is crazy for brass.
There is any chance?
Even if i was disappointed, the price is interesting so i would probably join if there is Brass.
I can close an eye on ps2avr bootmapper over qmk.
I can close the other one for Mini+Sata picked over better technologies.
But the lack of brass no, i can't stand the sound of Stainless Steel.
Also since i'm here, i feel like there is a lot of wasted potential on the feets. If the feets could be somehow adjusted and placed horizontally too and not only vertically, this keyboard could create an angle in every direction (at our choice). For example, once joined the parts, i would like to have a normal keyboard angle, while when the parts are splitted i would like the angle that OP photos shows.
Post by: KingzandBean on Mon, 10 December 2018, 17:02:11
I`m really sorry about the loge... I think it was missing details.
We thought it would be nice to have something "color" in the aluminum case.
However, in order to put the color directly on the body, there was a risk that one piece of the top board could be discarded
I wanted to be assembled in small pieces, and the complicated use of colors was because you wanted to be able to see and see the colors.
Of course, if you do not put the color like the VE.A1, you can use it as before. You can choice.
I am interested in other people weighing in but I think having a color/swappable logo plates isn't the issue per se but the screw holes are v large take up most of the space for the logo so it all looks very cramped and overly "busy." Also the VE.A logo isn't centered in the plate which I think is part of the issue.
Anyway looking forward to this groupbuy
Post by: asury on Tue, 11 December 2018, 06:29:02
:thumb:
Post by: Sorachi.Ace on Wed, 12 December 2018, 20:54:06
Do you have any ideas of when this will run?
Post by: PainMaster on Thu, 13 December 2018, 22:39:09
I'm super interested. I didn't get a chance to grab a v1 and got a clone. The cloke made me love the format, but the quality is lacking for sure. I'll probably go in for 2 or 3 v2s depending on the timing.
Do you have any ideas of when this will run?
The Server Open schedule should be discussed.
The request reception server will be developed within a few days.
It's a little delay than I expected
because I have to develop a program in home after work.
Post by: schoolbus on Fri, 14 December 2018, 08:27:35
I'm super interested. I didn't get a chance to grab a v1 and got a clone. The cloke made me love the format, but the quality is lacking for sure. I'll probably go in for 2 or 3 v2s depending on the timing.
Do you have any ideas of when this will run?
The Server Open schedule should be discussed.
The request reception server will be developed within a few days.
It's a little delay than I expected
because I have to develop a program in home after work.
correct
Post by: Lisinge on Tue, 18 December 2018, 03:39:59
QMK Would be a dream too, but that's not a make it or break it for me.
Post by: dubious on Tue, 18 December 2018, 12:11:34
I'm like 154320% sure that most of the people prefer brass over SS
speak for yourself :p
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Tue, 18 December 2018, 18:31:07
I'm like 154320% sure that most of the people prefer brass over SS
speak for yourself :p
SS over brass. Though I'm pretty sure with the direction the VE.A 2nd is taking that I'll be interested no matter wut.
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 23 December 2018, 11:47:39
I'm like 154320% sure that most of the people prefer brass over SS
speak for yourself :p
CF over both tbh
Post by: kokugatsu on Sun, 23 December 2018, 11:48:56
Y thoI'm like 154320% sure that most of the people prefer brass over SS
speak for yourself :p
CF over both tbh
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 23 December 2018, 11:50:18
Y thoI'm like 154320% sure that most of the people prefer brass over SS
speak for yourself :p
CF over both tbh
I like the sound and it looks cool
Post by: get_weird on Tue, 25 December 2018, 00:45:35
Also, how many colors for the nameplate will be offered? I saw a couple different ones in the old thread.
Anyways, this is all very exciting :thumb:
Post by: idlemao on Tue, 01 January 2019, 20:18:28
Post by: Anakey on Wed, 02 January 2019, 02:10:14
Would this be alps compatible or include an alps plate/pcb?
From the first post
Cherry MX / Alps SKCx Compatible
Post by: Geekmie on Sat, 05 January 2019, 12:19:29
Post by: abrahamstechnology on Tue, 08 January 2019, 17:47:44
Post by: rawrjau on Wed, 09 January 2019, 02:29:17
Dream board, new logo or not!
Post by: japancakes on Wed, 09 January 2019, 22:00:49
I'm also not sure about the case shape around the acrylic in the front and back going from smaller to bigger. It's kind of busy and makes the design look less clean.
Anyway, still going to get one. lol.
Post by: donutholer on Mon, 14 January 2019, 22:20:33
Post by: HomerSp on Tue, 15 January 2019, 17:05:58
Post by: DPetford on Wed, 16 January 2019, 05:07:25
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Wed, 16 January 2019, 09:01:04
Post by: oHimari on Fri, 18 January 2019, 20:28:27
Post by: switchnollie on Sat, 19 January 2019, 12:43:23
Will the GB be run through massdrop again, or a new website like typemachina?
Also, how many colors for the nameplate will be offered? I saw a couple different ones in the old thread.
Anyways, this is all very exciting :thumb:
Should look sweet with some colorful GMK mod sets :cool:
Post by: _GMK_ on Sat, 19 January 2019, 14:17:27
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sun, 20 January 2019, 08:37:09
Soldering a v1 right now O_O
Post by: Little4Real on Sun, 20 January 2019, 13:18:20
Post by: rnambu on Thu, 31 January 2019, 17:14:45
Post by: FoC_Tow on Mon, 04 February 2019, 05:30:37
I have seen zero reports of anyone having issues with the sata connector, and imo it adds to the unique charm of the board.
Don’t kill ve.a by forcing it to be something different please
Post by: xoxox1029 on Mon, 04 February 2019, 05:53:17
when do you think the GB could start ?
Post by: Petch on Mon, 04 February 2019, 11:49:29
Post by: fireworm on Mon, 04 February 2019, 11:56:42
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Mon, 04 February 2019, 12:07:43
If this ends up dead, I will blame the usb-c fanatics.
I have seen zero reports of anyone having issues with the sata connector, and imo it adds to the unique charm of the board.
Don’t kill ve.a by forcing it to be something different please
If the design doesn't change, then it's just VEA R2 with rainbow badges. This isn't a new board or a re-though concept. It's what we already have, with a cosmetic change.
If you want to add "charm" to a board, it shouldn't be because of a bad connector choice, it should be through conscience design considerations.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Mon, 04 February 2019, 12:21:37
If this ends up dead, I will blame the usb-c fanatics.
I have seen zero reports of anyone having issues with the sata connector, and imo it adds to the unique charm of the board.
Don’t kill ve.a by forcing it to be something different please
It's not a feature. It's a bug.
If your product has something that tons of potential customers hate and claim to be a dealbreaker, that's a bad design decision. Not a "unique charm point".
The fact that you cannot easily buy a backup cable for this board should be proof enough that this needs reconsideration to be worth calling a new version and not, you know, a glorified R2 at best.
Post by: donutholer on Mon, 04 February 2019, 15:10:01
Post by: MajorKoos on Mon, 04 February 2019, 16:10:48
Is the r2 pcb the same as r1?
Yes. Same PCB.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Mon, 04 February 2019, 16:26:28
If this ends up dead, I will blame the usb-c fanatics.
I have seen zero reports of anyone having issues with the sata connector, and imo it adds to the unique charm of the board.
Don’t kill ve.a by forcing it to be something different please
It's not a feature. It's a bug.
If your product has something that tons of potential customers hate and claim to be a dealbreaker, that's a bad design decision. Not a "unique charm point".
The fact that you cannot easily buy a backup cable for this board should be proof enough that this needs reconsideration to be worth calling a new version and not, you know, a glorified R2 at best.
I’m not going to argue much in this topic but this is my honest opinion on the sata bashing.
I like the Sata, you can easily buy replacements as well as sleeved cables (easier than type c imo?), I never had a sata cable fail on me ever, 500 inserts is the rating of the cable not the port, I still haven’t seen any reports of ve.a with broken port...
If no one had an issue with it ever, how is it a bug?
Imo it’s just people following a mainstream opinion.
Much of this mass outrage, such as sata causing latency issues is just based on opinion forming with no factual background.
(Yes sata ratings are factual. Claiming you are not able to buy replacement sata cables however is, at best, proof how ridicolous this whole argumentation has been and does not make your arguments more trust worthy. No offense)
Good design choices sometimes require to go against common believes.
It’s often better to follow the original vision than have it made generic by the opinion of many, that’s what a vision keeper usually does.
Argue how ever you like this is how I feel and I don’t mind not following common believe.
I know most of you formed different opinions, but I feel all this sata bashing will cause is v2 not beeing released at all.
I know sata ratings are a fact, and some might prefer type c, feel free to voice your opinion just please don’t turn this into a bashing.
=)
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 04 February 2019, 17:40:11
=)
I have no real interest in perpetuating the conversation/discussion, and as I've admitted prior I take some fault far as the "blaming SATA" thing goes, but is there a singular argument to be made in favour of not swapping other than SATA looking cool?
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Mon, 04 February 2019, 17:56:24
=)
I have no real interest in perpetuating the conversation/discussion, and as I've admitted prior I take some fault far as the "blaming SATA" thing goes, but is there a singular argument to be made in favour of not swapping other than SATA looking cool?
Another argument is they wouldn't need to redesign the PCB which could lead to R2 happening more quickly/cheaply as they don't need to take the time or effort to redesign it.
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 04 February 2019, 18:10:07
Another argument is they wouldn't need to redesign the PCB which could lead to R2 happening more quickly/cheaply as they don't need to take the time or effort to redesign it.
Is that supremely relevant though, considering they had like 3 years to work on redesigning/"improving" the PCB design? I suppose the pricing could matter but I wouldn't know how much of an impact that may have, I guess no one really does but Oddforge and the people involved in the project. I feel like compromising to save a little bit of money when it comes to such a long-awaited and loved board is probably not the smartest move.
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Mon, 04 February 2019, 18:25:10
Another argument is they wouldn't need to redesign the PCB which could lead to R2 happening more quickly/cheaply as they don't need to take the time or effort to redesign it.
Is that supremely relevant though, considering they had like 3 years to work on redesigning/"improving" the PCB design? I suppose the pricing could matter but I wouldn't know how much of an impact that may have, I guess no one really does but Oddforge and the people involved in the project. I feel like compromising to save a little bit of money when it comes to such a long-awaited and loved board is probably not the smartest move.
You don't have to convince me that USB-C is the better option; I'm already firmly in that camp. I was just giving you another argument other than aesthetics as to why to stick with SATA at this point.
For better or worse, ildustry already gave his reasons for SATA over USB-C which did come down to aesthetics. My argument is more based on the time factor rather than money. It doesn't matter how long they have had since the last version, but rather how much longer it would take if the designers decided to change connectors right now (presumably based on feedback from this IC) when the interest in this board is already very high and I'm sure there are many who couldn't care less about the connector changing to USB-C if it means getting the board faster.
Post by: switchnollie on Mon, 04 February 2019, 18:32:15
I switched all the SSD's in my PC to Optical Toslink due to the latency issues mentioned here which is also why I'll be passing the VE.A but I'm a let the man do him and use SATA instead of saying a board I don't own has issues.
Post by: Skull_Angel on Mon, 04 February 2019, 23:00:01
I switched all the SSD's in my PC to Optical Toslink
Wat!? I can't even
Post by: PainMaster on Mon, 11 February 2019, 01:07:26
Is the r2 pcb the same as r1?
Yes. Same PCB.
It's a little different...
Post by: PainMaster on Mon, 11 February 2019, 01:21:36
I've built a SATA cable.
I'm gonna use it for VE.A 1 & newer.
[attachimg=1]
Post by: nasp on Mon, 11 February 2019, 01:32:42
Post by: PainMaster on Mon, 11 February 2019, 01:50:52
PainMaster, any estimate of when this GB will go live? In other words, when will we be able to buy?
Well...
Actually, I'm all set to get request, but...
I'll check with you in a few days.
Post by: HomerSp on Mon, 11 February 2019, 04:06:06
Can't wait! For some reason I thought it would be a while before the GB, so I'm glad it's happening soon.PainMaster, any estimate of when this GB will go live? In other words, when will we be able to buy?
Well...
Actually, I'm all set to get request, but...
I'll check with you in a few days.
Post by: nasp on Mon, 11 February 2019, 09:33:24
PainMaster, any estimate of when this GB will go live? In other words, when will we be able to buy?
Well...
Actually, I'm all set to get request, but...
I'll check with you in a few days.
Awesome! And estimated price?
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 11 February 2019, 09:52:40
Awesome! And estimated price?
Oddforge commented on it a few pages back, I can't remember the exact amount and I'm too lazy to go back but it was like $300-350 (think it was 320) for a kit
Post by: nasp on Mon, 11 February 2019, 10:46:18
Awesome! And estimated price?
Oddforge commented on it a few pages back, I can't remember the exact amount and I'm too lazy to go back but it was like $300-350 (think it was 320) for a kit
Thanks 😊. It's a very long thread.
Post by: Little4Real on Mon, 11 February 2019, 21:28:35
Post by: Lepr3chaun on Mon, 11 February 2019, 21:54:41
Still no solid go live date it seems?
Post by: RDaneelOlivaw on Wed, 20 February 2019, 10:50:16
Post by: HomerSp on Tue, 26 February 2019, 16:22:10
Post by: vicissitude on Tue, 26 February 2019, 16:37:03
Any updates on this? Would love to be able join the GB soon.
Same.
Love the design of light effect in the split part. :thumb:
Post by: Wonderfool on Tue, 26 February 2019, 18:08:35
I occasionally travel with mine and have never had an issue with the SATA connectors. It still concerns me, but less than it did initially.
Flakiness of USB through an Apple Cinema Display after upgrading to/beyond OSX Sierra... that's an entirely different issue that's Apple's fault.
(https://i.imgur.com/G5xx4rU.jpg)
Post by: RamenTechMech on Tue, 26 February 2019, 18:15:03
Super happy VE.A owner/lurker here, would love to have another one. Or two.
I occasionally travel with mine and have never had an issue with the SATA connectors. It still concerns me, but less than it did initially.
Flakiness of USB through an Apple Cinema Display after upgrading to/beyond OSX Sierra... that's an entirely different issue that's Apple's fault.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/G5xx4rU.jpg)
That is a clean build! :thumb:
Post by: kokugatsu on Tue, 05 March 2019, 10:19:10
Post by: Wonderfool on Tue, 05 March 2019, 22:34:22
Super happy VE.A owner/lurker here, would love to have another one. Or two.
I occasionally travel with mine and have never had an issue with the SATA connectors. It still concerns me, but less than it did initially.
Flakiness of USB through an Apple Cinema Display after upgrading to/beyond OSX Sierra... that's an entirely different issue that's Apple's fault.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/G5xx4rU.jpg)
That is a clean build! :thumb:
Thanks :) if only you could see the mess I made while trying to get the lock inidicator lights working...
Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 08 March 2019, 12:19:14
Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 08 March 2019, 12:25:19
Post by: oldcat on Fri, 08 March 2019, 12:37:22
Post by: teemo on Sat, 09 March 2019, 16:26:35
Post by: Jaycob_Creighton on Sat, 09 March 2019, 23:05:36
Sent from my ONEPLUS A5010 using Tapatalk
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 10 March 2019, 05:30:17
What a waste of an otherwise amazing keyboard. I know this hobby has a non-insignificant element of retro computing nostalgia, but this is on a whole other level of tech luddism.
Best of luck to those who still stick around for the GB. I won’t.
Post by: HomerSp on Sun, 10 March 2019, 07:21:28
Came back months later and OP is being excited about a prettier SATA cable...I was mainly excited because there's really no alternative to it in the 75% form factor. Sure, there's the clone on taobao, but the quality of that leaves a lot to be desired.
What a waste of an otherwise amazing keyboard. I know this hobby has an non-insignificant element of retro computing nostalgia, but this is on a whole other level of tech luddism.
Best of luck to those who still stick around for the GB. I won’t.
You're right though, my excitement has dropped quite a bit. Especially since there really hasn't been any updates since it was first announced.
Post by: Hawkfriend on Wed, 13 March 2019, 06:43:51
Post by: litesung on Fri, 15 March 2019, 20:45:57
Post by: DillonHightower on Sat, 16 March 2019, 06:33:10
Also , logo is not bad, if you can customize the color. IMO
Post by: japancakes on Wed, 27 March 2019, 14:58:52
Post by: ojrask on Tue, 02 April 2019, 06:39:04
Post by: Mr.Elli0t on Thu, 04 April 2019, 11:22:09
Post by: Zurg Eon on Thu, 04 April 2019, 14:31:31
Post by: the_ambyguous on Sun, 07 April 2019, 01:32:09
Post by: keuhdall on Thu, 11 April 2019, 16:58:55
PainMaster, any estimate of when this GB will go live? In other words, when will we be able to buy?
Well...
Actually, I'm all set to get request, but...
I'll check with you in a few days.
Can we expect the GB to go live anytime time soon ? Can't wait for this keyboard, some of my colleagues might be interested as well.
Post by: buzzking00 on Fri, 12 April 2019, 19:41:42
For the LOGO, I think we should go for classy and refined, providing colors such as black, gold, and silver for the logo. Maybe 1 logo option with a mix of colors for the people who want colors in the LOGO?
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Fri, 12 April 2019, 20:33:26
I sold my original VE.A due to the SATA cable issue causing lag. However, I would be in for Round 2 if the lag issue was resolved!
For the LOGO, I think we should go for classy and refined, providing colors such as black, gold, and silver for the logo. Maybe 1 logo option with a mix of colors for the people who want colors in the LOGO?
I don't experience any input lag, but my typing WPM is not great. When gaming though I never seem to have an issue.
I believe the logo color will be customizeable with a range of offered logo plate types so you can choose one that best suits you.
Post by: Skull_Angel on Sat, 13 April 2019, 13:03:27
I sold my original VE.A due to the SATA cable issue causing lag. However, I would be in for Round 2 if the lag issue was resolved!
For the LOGO, I think we should go for classy and refined, providing colors such as black, gold, and silver for the logo. Maybe 1 logo option with a mix of colors for the people who want colors in the LOGO?
If you look through the thread, SATA was not the cause for the input delay people experienced.
Post by: soso on Sat, 20 April 2019, 10:41:56
Post by: Little4Real on Sun, 28 April 2019, 17:32:51
Post by: Vypr on Sun, 28 April 2019, 18:25:16
Post by: FoC_Tow on Mon, 29 April 2019, 01:33:30
USB-C for connecting to PC and connecting halves, QMK, and NKRO, and I'm set. These gripes with the VE.A 1 make me wanna sell it.
Sell it to me then =)
And buy yourself something usb-c xD
Post by: giHefca on Mon, 29 April 2019, 04:39:53
Post by: Arlie on Fri, 10 May 2019, 16:59:17
Post by: vicissitude on Fri, 10 May 2019, 18:04:36
Any update or good news.
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 12 May 2019, 06:08:02
Is this still happening? I think a few months ago PainMaster said he could've launched it soon... Got my hopes up ;)
Let's see how it develops. Maybe he is waiting for new prototypes(?)
Post by: macintacos on Sun, 12 May 2019, 17:25:01
Very, very interested over here!
Post by: PainMaster on Mon, 13 May 2019, 19:47:42
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
[attachimg=1]
Post by: typischt on Mon, 13 May 2019, 19:48:39
Thanks(?) to your many requests,Naissio, thanks for the update!
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
(Attachment Link)
Post by: dededecline on Mon, 13 May 2019, 19:49:28
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
YESSSS. Worth the wait ;D
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 13 May 2019, 19:49:56
Thanks(?) to your many requests,
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
(Attachment Link)
Nice!
Post by: duckboi on Mon, 13 May 2019, 19:52:10
Thanks(?) to your many requests,
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
(Attachment Link)
I am now very interested
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 13 May 2019, 19:54:08
Thanks(?) to your many requests,
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
(Attachment Link)
This is great. I hope the case design sees some modifications as well -- there were some oddities, such as the cutouts of the acrylic (v1's straightness was sleek), the badge and logo, the tenting, and such.
Post by: p_blaze on Mon, 13 May 2019, 19:56:59
Thanks(?) to your many requests,
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
(Attachment Link)
Will there be blocker options on this board?
Post by: superdoedoe on Mon, 13 May 2019, 19:59:53
NiceThanks(?) to your many requests,
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
(Attachment Link)
Nice!
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Post by: Shenpai on Mon, 13 May 2019, 20:06:07
Thanks(?) to your many requests,
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
(Attachment Link)
Thank god
Post by: rondg on Mon, 13 May 2019, 20:13:05
Post by: andrewregal on Mon, 13 May 2019, 21:20:21
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 13 May 2019, 22:04:33
Post by: bthezebra on Mon, 13 May 2019, 22:07:43
Post by: urbantheii on Mon, 13 May 2019, 23:29:12
Post by: iNViSiBiLiTi on Tue, 14 May 2019, 00:09:38
Post by: thornkin on Tue, 14 May 2019, 02:04:35
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Post by: Legoo on Tue, 14 May 2019, 02:35:49
Post by: DillonHightower on Tue, 14 May 2019, 03:48:39
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 14 May 2019, 04:37:17
Post by: bisoromi on Tue, 14 May 2019, 08:58:43
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Tue, 14 May 2019, 09:57:18
Post by: HomerSp on Tue, 14 May 2019, 10:46:06
Thanks(?) to your many requests,Thanks for the update! Glad you decided to go for usb-c for all of the connections :thumb:
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
(Attachment Link)
Post by: Sorachi.Ace on Tue, 14 May 2019, 10:50:48
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
(Attachment Link)
Thanks for taking our feedback and making adjustments. This is huge, I can't wait until orders begin.
Post by: Kavik on Tue, 14 May 2019, 12:08:35
Anyway, it's awesome that you've been able to take into account all the feedback you've received.
Post by: krisst on Tue, 14 May 2019, 12:51:28
What about software, still going to be using bootmapper? Would hope that we could change that too. Not sure who is the creator of bootmapper and since winkeyless have closed, if possible, maybe change the way on how to configure the board to some of the newer and latest way. QMK? etc.
Post by: sirsumvent on Tue, 14 May 2019, 13:29:07
Post by: DillonHightower on Tue, 14 May 2019, 13:56:07
Good news that VE.A 2 is going to get type-c support for all connectors. I guess it's for the better, losing the iconic SATA connector.
What about software, still going to be using bootmapper? Would hope that we could change that too. Not sure who is the creator of bootmapper and since winkeyless have closed, if possible, maybe change the way on how to configure the board to some of the newer and latest way. QMK? etc.
This will be unpopular opinion but qmk blows ass for new users and is not friendly whatsoever.. boot mapper works 99% of all users without needing a programming degree in order to get the damn thing working. I have no idea why anyone prefers qmk over any of the more simple interface is out there.
Post by: krisst on Tue, 14 May 2019, 14:18:07
Good news that VE.A 2 is going to get type-c support for all connectors. I guess it's for the better, losing the iconic SATA connector.
What about software, still going to be using bootmapper? Would hope that we could change that too. Not sure who is the creator of bootmapper and since winkeyless have closed, if possible, maybe change the way on how to configure the board to some of the newer and latest way. QMK? etc.
This will be unpopular opinion but qmk blows ass for new users and is not friendly whatsoever.. boot mapper works 99% of all users without needing a programming degree in order to get the damn thing working. I have no idea why anyone prefers qmk over any of the more simple interface is out there.
I don't mind using bootmapper. Speaking from my usage, been using VE.A since I got it, I have never used macro or layers. I did re-map a few keys to my liking, that's about it.
My primary concern is mostly because bootmapper seems to be a winkeyless.kr thing, I might be wrong. Just want to future proof things if that makes sense.
Post by: renniepak on Tue, 14 May 2019, 14:45:36
Post by: severin on Tue, 14 May 2019, 15:55:51
Post by: horribleatcalculus on Tue, 14 May 2019, 16:51:55
Post by: adramalech on Tue, 14 May 2019, 18:23:36
Post by: aphoid on Tue, 14 May 2019, 18:27:28
Post by: PainMaster on Tue, 14 May 2019, 19:35:27
Thanks(?) to your many requests,
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
(Attachment Link)
Will there be blocker options on this board?
We are testing to deal with any situations that
could damage the circuit,
cause abnormal operation,
or cause over-voltage conditions.
Although we have prepared the over-voltage blocking option,
which is the reference for USB-C,
it will be accurate if we test it a little more.
The software should still use bootmapper.
Post by: bisoromi on Tue, 14 May 2019, 19:46:52
The software should still use bootmapper.
C:
Post by: yicaoyimu on Tue, 14 May 2019, 19:47:57
Post by: JediJesseS on Tue, 14 May 2019, 21:06:41
Post by: ImBZppl on Tue, 14 May 2019, 21:52:10
Post by: LithiumLion on Tue, 14 May 2019, 22:43:44
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Tue, 14 May 2019, 23:08:07
Post by: Sorachi.Ace on Tue, 14 May 2019, 23:16:10
Glad to see USB-C as an option. Is that for powering the board or for connecting the two sides?Both.
Post by: DillonHightower on Tue, 14 May 2019, 23:34:50
Post by: superdoedoe on Tue, 14 May 2019, 23:46:22
Post by: Don Cardenio on Tue, 14 May 2019, 23:55:19
Post by: oHimari on Wed, 15 May 2019, 10:37:09
Post by: macintacos on Wed, 15 May 2019, 16:29:05
Good news that VE.A 2 is going to get type-c support for all connectors. I guess it's for the better, losing the iconic SATA connector.
What about software, still going to be using bootmapper? Would hope that we could change that too. Not sure who is the creator of bootmapper and since winkeyless have closed, if possible, maybe change the way on how to configure the board to some of the newer and latest way. QMK? etc.
This will be unpopular opinion but qmk blows ass for new users and is not friendly whatsoever.. boot mapper works 99% of all users without needing a programming degree in order to get the damn thing working. I have no idea why anyone prefers qmk over any of the more simple interface is out there.
Personally, I like QMK; I've never really had a problem getting it set up, and the interface is plenty user friendly for my needs? I've only recently started modding boards and it really wasn't difficult to get started. Documentation is great too.
Anywho, very happy that this is coming!
Post by: rkarp on Wed, 15 May 2019, 20:36:32
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 16 May 2019, 03:36:44
I'm not a big fan of the two extra columns to the left. I would also like to have a sperator between left arrow and the modifier key next to it.Personally, taking away those columns takes away a good part of the charm for these keyboards.
A separator I can agree with.
And as previously mentioned, hopefully a revision to the acrylic diffuser lines and the badge/logo as well so it looks more elegant.
Post by: jil_jil32 on Thu, 16 May 2019, 07:28:21
Post by: rawrjau on Thu, 16 May 2019, 15:48:02
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sat, 18 May 2019, 07:56:51
Post by: Slavadavadingdong on Sat, 18 May 2019, 10:43:34
Post by: hejog on Sat, 18 May 2019, 13:29:15
Post by: soso on Sat, 18 May 2019, 16:30:05
Tenting kits? Wrist rests?
I'd also like info on this.
Post by: nastrovje on Sat, 18 May 2019, 16:58:16
pls change the extreme logo.
Post by: rmendis on Sun, 19 May 2019, 16:52:02
I'm not a big fan of the two extra columns to the left. I would also like to have a sperator between left arrow and the modifier key next to it.
It would be unbalanced without the left columns.
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 20 May 2019, 09:43:15
Post by: RDaneelOlivaw on Mon, 20 May 2019, 12:09:13
Regarding the firmware, I am torn, I like qmk for it's power, but it is so annoying how hard it is to use. Bootmapper I think will work just fine.
Post by: radam on Mon, 20 May 2019, 14:37:21
Edit:
I'm confused. If the layout is available in QMK you can just go to https://config.qmk.fm and pick the layout and configure. Click "compile" and download the firmware and then flash with dfu-programmer command line tool or qmk toolbox.
It doesn't seem like you have to manually build the firmware if you don't want to.
Post by: Rejeckted on Mon, 20 May 2019, 23:16:32
Post by: Twist3d on Tue, 21 May 2019, 01:05:10
Post by: rampantandroid on Mon, 27 May 2019, 00:06:20
Post by: CallMeMaybe on Mon, 27 May 2019, 08:50:20
The USB C is def a big and my wallet is more than ready.
Post by: silas on Mon, 27 May 2019, 19:02:08
Post by: Skull_Angel on Wed, 29 May 2019, 19:42:48
Would be in for one if it can handle peak 150wpm (600-800 key presses) without dropping input or rolling over. See that it is an issue from V1 as well as other single-controller split keyboards that I own. (my deltasplit and quefrency boards don't have the issue)
Check your debounce settings. Iirc, the default setting isn't optimal and can cause these issues.
Edit: The info in this thread might be relevant to you if you're really interested in keyboard performance; https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42385.0
Post by: japancakes on Thu, 30 May 2019, 02:34:06
Only thing I hope changes are the shifting lines around the acrylic diffuser in the front/back, the -=-=-=- look.
It looks busy and "gamer" compared to the original which is not what you generally desire with a $400+ keyboard. V2 already looks different with the tenting, logo, etc.
Post by: FatOldGuy on Thu, 30 May 2019, 21:42:01
Post by: foo4542 on Wed, 05 June 2019, 03:15:39
Post by: Yazzin123 on Wed, 05 June 2019, 07:06:35
Post by: MrTq on Wed, 05 June 2019, 07:15:17
waiting here...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Post by: heyitsqi on Wed, 05 June 2019, 12:44:52
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 05 June 2019, 13:00:40
Thanks(?) to your many requests,
We're working on a sample of VE.A 2nd's PCB
We're still seeing some modifications.
First, all SATA + USB mini-connectors were changed to USB - C.
And, PCB patterns are being organized.
This is not a finished product.
It's about 90% complete.
(Attachment Link)
Will there be blocker options on this board?
We are testing to deal with any situations that
could damage the circuit,
cause abnormal operation,
or cause over-voltage conditions.
Although we have prepared the over-voltage blocking option,
which is the reference for USB-C,
it will be accurate if we test it a little more.
The software should still use bootmapper.
Thanks for the update, these are good changes. Is there any chance of a plate material other than stainless steel? I think aluminum might be more suitable for most people nowadays.
It would also be nice to see some more detail on the tenting system (not sure if that's been posted already).
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 05 June 2019, 13:10:53
Post by: DillonHightower on Wed, 05 June 2019, 21:40:39
Tenting details haven't been posted yet. I watch this more carefully than I do oncoming traffic
Im with you man. I need an board for my carbon build, I have chosen this. And well It cant come soon enough. been holding out from other good buys not knowing when to expect anything from this.. Hopefully soon!
Post by: japancakes on Fri, 28 June 2019, 10:53:38
Post by: juusu on Sun, 30 June 2019, 03:34:26
Post by: bit-shifter on Sun, 30 June 2019, 03:57:40
I Hate to be that guy, but ... any chance of ISO layout support?ISO is supported, see the OP!
Cheers!
Post by: urbantheii on Sun, 30 June 2019, 12:25:48
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Wed, 10 July 2019, 15:17:45
Post by: Owl on Wed, 10 July 2019, 22:33:20
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 12 July 2019, 01:17:13
I'm not a big fan of the two extra columns to the left. I would also like to have a sperator between left arrow and the modifier key next to it.Personally, taking away those columns takes away a good part of the charm for these keyboards.
A separate I can agree with.
And as previously mentioned, hopefully a revision to the acrylic diffuser lines and the badge/logo as well so it looks more elegant.
A 0.25u or 0.5 u separator on the right side of the keyboard for the nav-arrow cluster: between the left-arrow key and the mod on its left side.
Patiently waiting... for the slowly evolving VE.A v2 design with many improvements > VE.A v1
Edit: I really hope the hardware/firmware specs can be TMK / QMK compatible...
Post by: FoC_Tow on Fri, 12 July 2019, 05:23:15
I've neglected all my other custom boards because I can't go back...
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Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Sun, 28 July 2019, 12:27:41
Post by: CallMeMaybe on Thu, 01 August 2019, 16:07:07
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 05 August 2019, 11:56:57
Post by: giHefca on Mon, 05 August 2019, 16:19:39
Yeah this board is endgame for me, would like to see where its going or any update at all.Endgame is a lie.
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Mon, 05 August 2019, 16:31:19
Yeah this board is endgame for me, would like to see where its going or any update at all.Endgame is a lie.
Endgame confirmed. I found it, and pretty much all but stopped collecting when I did. It exists, but some people may never get there....
Post by: bthezebra on Mon, 05 August 2019, 17:22:57
What board is it?Yeah this board is endgame for me, would like to see where its going or any update at all.Endgame is a lie.
Endgame confirmed. I found it, and pretty much all but stopped collecting when I did. It exists, but some people may never get there....
Pain master we are thirsty for the redesign!
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Mon, 05 August 2019, 18:11:38
What board is it?
Tiffany Blue Cerakote M65-A with Sky-Blue Outemu housed Outemu Teal click stems on 75g springs. Authenitc Cherry stabs, lubed. Keyboard & Co. caps.
My personal perfect keyboard, to the 9's in Tiffany Blue (my favorite color) with my favorite click at just the right key weight. It might not be everyone's style, but for me, after I got this completed, I kinda stopped looking at the IC threads so much, cancelled out of a couple GBs. Still going to pick up the VE.A 2, SA Yuri, and maybe one or two other things here or there. But I don't think I will ever be able to top that, and it kinda has me feeling retired.
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Fri, 16 August 2019, 09:21:11
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 20 August 2019, 18:19:50
This might not scratch the same VE.A itch for everyone else, but it sure does for me.
Post by: spacemonkey on Thu, 22 August 2019, 00:22:48
Post by: ejewell89 on Thu, 22 August 2019, 13:22:07
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/ct3oux/gmk_night_runner_on_an_sp111/
This might not scratch the same VE.A itch for everyone else, but it sure does for me.
This scratches the itch very well for me
Post by: krisst on Thu, 22 August 2019, 15:20:01
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/ct3oux/gmk_night_runner_on_an_sp111/
This might not scratch the same VE.A itch for everyone else, but it sure does for me.
Too chunky imo. Design seems to be adding many current popular design cues, splitting it for ergo and call it a day. It wants to be too many things at the same time.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:05:18
Post by: keuhdall on Sun, 01 September 2019, 14:12:37
Is the pcb redesign over yet ?
Really can't wait to have this board, this is literally endgame for me.
Post by: nathanchere on Fri, 13 September 2019, 04:02:05
Really can't wait to have this board, this is literally endgame for me.
... said no-one else ever :P
Post by: japancakes on Wed, 18 September 2019, 01:59:21
Post by: PainMaster on Wed, 25 September 2019, 20:41:45
We've decided to prepare a joint production of 'VE.A. 2nd.'
It took two years altogether.
The expected start date is around this November, but it could be a little faster.
Once the exact amount and date of deduction are determined, i'll update again.
Post by: Rejeckted on Wed, 25 September 2019, 20:55:01
Post by: bisoromi on Wed, 25 September 2019, 20:55:33
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 25 September 2019, 21:14:07
light the beacons lads
Post by: bthezebra on Wed, 25 September 2019, 21:19:47
Post by: dantambok on Wed, 25 September 2019, 21:55:33
Post by: badboy731 on Wed, 25 September 2019, 22:08:25
Post by: Steezus on Wed, 25 September 2019, 22:17:48
Post by: thornkin on Wed, 25 September 2019, 22:52:41
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Thu, 26 September 2019, 08:48:46
Post by: mrpetrov on Thu, 26 September 2019, 13:19:51
Has there been any change with regard to layout (eg arrow separator) or cable (SATA)?
Thanks!
Post by: PainMaster on Thu, 26 September 2019, 20:33:19
Excited to see this moving forward.
Has there been any change with regard to layout (eg arrow separator) or cable (SATA)?
Thanks!
> Please refer to this.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98324.msg2763022#msg2763022
Post by: mrpetrov on Thu, 26 September 2019, 20:55:58
Excited to see this moving forward.
Has there been any change with regard to layout (eg arrow separator) or cable (SATA)?
Thanks!
> Please refer to this.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98324.msg2763022#msg2763022
Ah brilliant, thank you for this reminder!
Post by: MajorKoos on Fri, 27 September 2019, 09:19:43
Excited to see this moving forward.
Has there been any change with regard to layout (eg arrow separator) or cable (SATA)?
Thanks!
> Please refer to this.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98324.msg2763022#msg2763022
Hi Painmaster
Would this PCB fit in the R1 case as well?
I know the SATA cut-out is a bit different, but I can 3D print a part for that :)
Post by: qq on Sun, 29 September 2019, 06:18:22
Post by: keuhdall on Fri, 11 October 2019, 07:00:03
Can we expect some photos of the USB-C model soon ? :D
Post by: SoraNoTenshi on Fri, 11 October 2019, 17:23:21
another 350+$ would bloody murder me this year...
Post by: Tyson on Fri, 11 October 2019, 17:27:43
Is there a possible est. of costs?
another 350+$ would bloody murder me this year...
I believe the pricing on the original VE.A was $350+. I figured this one would probably be the same. This year has been pretty brutal for a lot of us.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 11 October 2019, 17:31:38
Post by: litster on Fri, 11 October 2019, 21:43:56
There was a post...somewhere in these 8 pages...where the cost might be roughly similar and only 350. If you were budgeting, I'd raise that up 20% though...
Plus switches, plus keycaps, plus stabs, plus USB cables.
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Sat, 12 October 2019, 02:46:03
There was a post...somewhere in these 8 pages...where the cost might be roughly similar and only 350. If you were budgeting, I'd raise that up 20% though...
Usually not included, international PP fees and shipping. Adding in 20% is probably a conservative estimate. Anymore, I just figure $500 to get something, $600 if najs... gotta have that extra plate and pcb as well...
Post by: ramnes on Sun, 13 October 2019, 14:44:17
Post by: d00deitsnik on Sun, 13 October 2019, 18:31:44
Post by: superdoedoe on Sun, 13 October 2019, 18:32:43
Is there a possible est. of costs?Definitely more than $350
another 350+$ would bloody murder me this year...
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Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 13 October 2019, 18:51:08
Is there a possible est. of costs?Definitely more than $350
another 350+$ would bloody murder me this year...
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https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98324.msg2689598#msg2689598
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 13 October 2019, 18:56:16
Post by: superdoedoe on Sun, 13 October 2019, 19:03:38
Nice my mistake. I assumed those pricings were outdated and for the sata versionIs there a possible est. of costs?Definitely more than $350
another 350+$ would bloody murder me this year...
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https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98324.msg2689598#msg2689598
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Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 13 October 2019, 23:58:17
Nice my mistake. I assumed those pricings were outdated and for the sata version
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I think that's a fair assumption to make - even then, hopefully they can keep it at or under 350. Would be great, and doesn't seem terribly outlandish despite the upgrades.
Post by: SoraNoTenshi on Mon, 14 October 2019, 02:50:19
I just cannot buy 3 keyboard in literally 4 months.
So i might even have to pass out on this one..
Post by: Digitize on Mon, 14 October 2019, 10:55:49
Oh God... i am not sure if i can handle another keyboard...Damn 3 keyboards in the past 4 months!! Well...at least you’ll be getting keyboards after keyboards in the mail when they ship.
I just cannot buy 3 keyboard in literally 4 months.
So i might even have to pass out on this one..
Wouldn’t hurt to add more to your mailbox.
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Post by: p_blaze on Fri, 18 October 2019, 13:54:22
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 18 October 2019, 14:05:56
kinda unrealistic hope that this will come in purple
might need to cerakote for that? would look awesome though.
Post by: heyitsqi on Sun, 20 October 2019, 20:58:12
Post by: superdoedoe on Sun, 20 October 2019, 20:59:20
So happy it got changed to USB-C! Looking forward to seeing the other new changes. Still hoping for QMK and hotswap if possible....Hotswap might be pushing it
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Post by: ShAzz on Thu, 31 October 2019, 18:56:58
Post by: japancakes on Fri, 01 November 2019, 22:35:34
any updates on this? "Nov or earlier" but we have not head anything since
Gonna go with Nov
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Sat, 02 November 2019, 12:18:22
Post by: romeo on Tue, 12 November 2019, 22:17:36
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 12 November 2019, 22:27:28
Gonna go with later than Nov
local man looks at calendar
Post by: soso on Wed, 20 November 2019, 23:30:01
Post by: Jignoni on Fri, 22 November 2019, 13:16:04
would love this
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Tue, 26 November 2019, 09:08:03
Post by: snarfel on Fri, 29 November 2019, 03:17:50
Post by: dantambok on Fri, 29 November 2019, 04:16:02
Is this actually going to happen? SP111 GB is happening now. I'd rather save some money and get the VEA r2, but don't want to miss SP111 if VEA r2 isn't happening
dont hold your breath :p
Post by: Sup on Fri, 29 November 2019, 10:36:41
Post by: litster on Fri, 29 November 2019, 11:50:17
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Fri, 29 November 2019, 13:14:52
This IC is dead :blank:
I mean if you read PainMaster’s last posts it’s hard to believe the GB isn’t going to happen. He said around November, which doesn’t mean November... admittedly this has been a long IC.
The second you spend your GB money on something else is when the GB will start.
Post by: matrocksteady on Mon, 02 December 2019, 13:09:30
Post by: keuhdall on Mon, 16 December 2019, 05:19:28
Having that GB for Christmas would really be the best gift I can think of.
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Wed, 18 December 2019, 07:54:29
Post by: brln on Wed, 18 December 2019, 11:15:53
same, all i want for xmas. ;)
my thoughts exactly
Post by: litster on Wed, 18 December 2019, 12:03:27
Post by: ryahirv on Wed, 18 December 2019, 15:29:17
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Wed, 18 December 2019, 17:18:35
Is this dead?
This IC is dead :blank:
I mean if you read PainMaster’s last posts it’s hard to believe the GB isn’t going to happen. He said around November, which doesn’t mean November... admittedly this has been a long IC.
The second you spend your GB money on something else is when the GB will start.
Post by: Tyki on Fri, 20 December 2019, 14:26:26
Post by: litesung on Sat, 21 December 2019, 18:26:37
Post by: japancakes on Fri, 10 January 2020, 02:45:24
Post by: keuhdall on Tue, 04 February 2020, 04:02:53
Some nice keebs are coming this February, but the VE.A 2nd stays my priority.
I think at this point everybody is ok for waiting longer, but having an idea of when the keyboard might come out would help us knowing when and where to throw our money.
Post by: matrocksteady on Thu, 06 February 2020, 11:11:17
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Thu, 06 February 2020, 11:44:49
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 06 February 2020, 12:48:33
just gotta be patient
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Thu, 06 February 2020, 13:05:08
Post by: brln on Thu, 06 February 2020, 13:29:43
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 06 February 2020, 13:36:22
Post by: snarfel on Thu, 06 February 2020, 13:42:33
Post by: helborne on Thu, 06 February 2020, 13:45:51
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 06 February 2020, 14:18:44
Post by: anaf on Thu, 06 February 2020, 14:20:36
Post by: Sedula on Thu, 06 February 2020, 15:25:27
I have not been in this community long, but the whining about updates does seem to fly in the face of expected patience to the rest of us. I realize that there are people of all ages that are interested in keyboards, and younger members are going to post "are we there yet" messages all the time, but really, let's be more patient. Some project runners just aren't the most communicative. Especially if they're creating kits as a hobby.
There's a huge middle ground between obnoxiously bumping a thread once a week and asking someone to check in once a month—and especially expecting them to post an update on a project when it blows by a projected date. An inability to take 30 seconds to swing by a thread and say something like "Life is interfering; I'll post more when I can" does not inspire confidence in a person's ability to keep the project on track once they actually have cash in hand.
I'm a freelance professional, and while obviously it's not a perfectly parallel situation, I literally cannot imagine not giving reasonable updates on a project I was running.
Post by: bisoromi on Thu, 06 February 2020, 15:35:30
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This is an interest check
Post by: clasicks on Thu, 06 February 2020, 15:37:34
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This is an interest check
I am interested in you.
Post by: Midori on Thu, 06 February 2020, 15:38:49
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This is an interest check
Sir, this is an Arby's
Post by: Sedula on Thu, 06 February 2020, 15:46:05
This is an interest checkYeah, and part of what determines my "interest" is how reliable the person running the GB is likely to be (if you disagree, you may wish to join my upcoming group buy for a bridge in Brooklyn). Dropping off the planet during an IC isn't remotely the same as doing it during a GB, but you're certainly going to have overlap, and the most responsible GB runners will also be responsible IC runners.
It's especially eyebrow-raising when a user has logged into the site but hasn't updated. Personally, I'd have more confidence in someone who completely disappeared for months and then gave an adequate update when they returned than someone who's around but silent. The former may just have **** going on in their life, while the latter is more likely to be someone who falls into a "gets distracted or overwhelmed > misses deadline > feels ashamed > doesn't update because they feel ashamed > is further distracted or overwhelmed by the fact that they're now even farther behind the deadline" sort of cycle that just spirals out of control, because the longer it goes on, the harder it is for them to feel capable of just biting the bullet and digging themselves out of it.
Post by: Midori on Thu, 06 February 2020, 15:57:39
This is an interest checkYeah, and part of what determines my "interest" is how reliable the person running the GB is likely to be (if you disagree, you may wish to join my upcoming group buy for a bridge in Brooklyn). Dropping off the planet during an IC isn't remotely the same as doing it during a GB, but you're certainly going to have overlap, and the most responsible GB runners will also be responsible IC runners.
It's especially eyebrow-raising when a user has logged into the site but hasn't updated. Personally, I'd have more confidence in someone who completely disappeared for months and then gave an adequate update when they returned than someone who's around but silent. The former may just have **** going on in their life, while the latter is more likely to be someone who falls into a "gets distracted or overwhelmed > misses deadline > feels ashamed > doesn't update because they feel ashamed > is further distracted or overwhelmed by the fact that they're now even farther behind the deadline" sort of cycle that just spirals out of control, because the longer it goes on, the harder it is for them to feel capable of just biting the bullet and digging themselves out of it.
This is an interest check
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 06 February 2020, 16:43:11
Post by: Sedula on Thu, 06 February 2020, 17:01:45
This is an interest checkSir, this is an Arby's.
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Thu, 06 February 2020, 17:49:26
This person hasn't taken any of your money and has absolutely no obligation to fulfill this GB. That said, I'm pretty sure he will because it's clear there was effort being put in. Just be glad he hasn't chimed in months after taking all your money to say he was in the hospital... then just goes radio silent and never ships.
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 06 February 2020, 18:02:20
Bugging a busy person to provide updates in an interest check and placing your happiness on their ability/willingness to respond when there isn't anything to say is a recipe to burn-out quick in this hobby.I mean sure, there's always worst case scenarios. And there's better too.
This person hasn't taken any of your money and has absolutely no obligation to fulfill this GB. That said, I'm pretty sure he will because it's clear there was effort being put in. Just be glad he hasn't chimed in months after taking all your money to say he was in the hospital... then just goes radio silent and never ships.
I guess it just shocks me personally that someone whose excited enough to release a project they clearly love and worked hard on can't find several minutes to make a post after a self-set deadline has come and gone. I mean I don't care how busy your life is. It's 3 minutes at most. Doesn't seem crazy imo. Makes me question how transparency will be after they take our money. Haha.
And they're not bugging him. They're showing interest and wondering what happened. Most of these posts and back and forths are coming from people jumping on those eager to find out what's happened. I mean I'm not even sure he's here to be bugged. Lol
Post by: Sedula on Thu, 06 February 2020, 18:15:15
It's like people think there's some sort of deadly allergy to accountability, where if we expect anything of anyone, we're going to drive them off and never hear from them again.
Post by: joostflux on Thu, 06 February 2020, 18:33:36
Basically he can take all the time he wants and if you don’t want to wait then buy another board because asking for updates won’t make it go any faster. A project this big is not easily forgotten so give him time.
You also really can’t treat this as you would a business because this is his hobby and no money has been exchanged up until now. No one owes anyone anything at this point.
I hope it happens but if not, that’s OK too. In the end people, it is just a board.
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 06 February 2020, 18:42:48
For the first round of VE.A the creator himself did not expect the intense amount of interest and it overwhelmed him (understandably). This is one of the reasons it went to Massdrop. Keep in mind the number of interested parties is much greater than the first round and I am sure he does not want to disappoint.I mean no one has told others not to believe here. They simply asked for info and have formed their own decisions based on lack information. As you yourself have told them to.
Basically he can take all the time he wants and if you don’t want to wait then buy another board because asking for updates won’t make it go any faster. A project this big is not easily forgotten so give him time.
You also really can’t treat this as you would a business because this is his hobby and no money has been exchanged up until now. No one owes anyone anything at this point.
I hope it happens but if not, that’s OK too. In the end people, it is just a board.
That said, it's rough that the first GB was stressful for him. They're definitely stressful things. Hopefully we find out more info soon.
Post by: krisst on Thu, 06 February 2020, 19:02:57
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 06 February 2020, 19:07:27
I mean or I'd simply just avoid putting dates on anything until I felt ready. Or at least tell people what happened when a date came and went. I imagine that as like minimal hobby effort.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Thu, 06 February 2020, 20:01:26
Again. Agreed. Hobby is fine. But who has a hobby they don't take part in for 3 minutes after what, 4 months? If interest is that low in a hobby, I dunno if I'd run stuff involving other people's money. Haha.You haven't sent him any money.
I mean or I'd simply just avoid putting dates on anything until I felt ready. Or at least tell people what happened when a date came and went. I imagine that as like minimal hobby effort.
He doesn't owe you #$%&.
Stop with this self-entitled attitude. People have life stuffs, and this is not a business.
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 06 February 2020, 21:07:46
Jesus. People just keep getting angrier and angrier.Again. Agreed. Hobby is fine. But who has a hobby they don't take part in for 3 minutes after what, 4 months? If interest is that low in a hobby, I dunno if I'd run stuff involving other people's money. Haha.You haven't sent him any money.
I mean or I'd simply just avoid putting dates on anything until I felt ready. Or at least tell people what happened when a date came and went. I imagine that as like minimal hobby effort.
He doesn't owe you #$%&.
Stop with this self-entitled attitude. People have life stuffs, and this is not a business.
I never said he owed me anything. Just that it seems odd. That's all.
Post by: dantambok on Thu, 06 February 2020, 21:15:33
If not, so be it. :'(
That being said, been holding off buying a v1 in hopes he updates this post. Hah
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 06 February 2020, 21:16:53
If he comes out of his hole, then we get a v2.Yeah. The V1 is a pretty sweet piece of hardware.
If not, so be it. :'(
That being said, been holding off buying a v1 im hopes he updates this post. Hah
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Thu, 06 February 2020, 21:42:00
If he comes out of his hole, then we get a v2.
If not, so be it. :'(
That being said, been holding off buying a v1 in hopes he updates this post. Hah
The tease of being able to build my own and to have tenting stands is why I keep one eye peeked on this thread and haven’t bought a V1.
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Fri, 07 February 2020, 00:56:12
I think everyone here knows that making custom keyboards isn't sustainable business model yet and it's a hobby for most people. Yes, OP didn't take our money yet, but when you're your own master and set deadlines that you miss (regardless of seriousness) you _have_ to let people know before deadline as to why you're failed, what are you going to do next, and what's gonna be next deadline.
As someone here said before, OP and another person affiliated with project has been to the forum multiple times since November. Actually OP been here as recently as 2 days ago. Why is it so hard to let people know as to why this project isn't moving forward is beyond me. Actually, what frustrates people the most is simply lack of communication, not the state of the project.
Are you done with project? Sad, but okay, I can spend my money somewhere else.
Did you fail to find a decent manufacturer? Known problem, happens often, understandable, keep us updated.
Are you having problems building the proto (was there one actually?) due to updated design? Understandable, let us know what problems have you encountered so other people can also learn from your mistakes.
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Post by: Midori on Fri, 07 February 2020, 00:59:02
Apologists in this thread are getting quite wild for some reason. OP has decided to shoot themselves in a foot meanwhile people requesting transparency are somehow bad guys here.
I think everyone here knows that making custom keyboards isn't sustainable business model yet and it's a hobby for most people. Yes, OP didn't take our money yet, but when you're your own master and set deadlines that you miss (regardless of seriousness) you _have_ to let people know before deadline as to why you're failed, what are you going to do next, and what's gonna be next deadline.
As someone here said before, OP and another person affiliated with project has been to the forum multiple times since November. Actually OP been here as recently as 2 days ago. Why is it so hard to let people know as to why this project isn't moving forward is beyond me. Actually, what frustrates people the most is simply lack of communication, not the state of the project.
Are you done with project? Sad, but okay, I can spend my money somewhere else.
Did you fail to find a decent manufacturer? Known problem, happens often, understandable, keep us updated.
Are you having problems building the proto (was there one actually?) due to updated design? Understandable, let us know what problems have you encountered so other people can also learn from your mistakes.
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Sir, this is an Arby's
Post by: bisoromi on Fri, 07 February 2020, 01:03:49
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 07 February 2020, 02:13:48
there's no reason to get this upset over a very expensive keyboard
if you're so bothered, just run a board yourself
oh wait, no ****posting is easier nevermind
Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 07 February 2020, 05:09:20
Ignoring the silliness of defenses, I've made enough purchases lately, I got time before he happens to wander in here again and update. Still looking forward to this maybe eventually being available! Really dig the compactness of this layout.
Dunno if this was addressed farther up, but with SATA connector, does this have any limitations/differences from more modern splits using USB-C?
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Fri, 07 February 2020, 06:34:14
Oh snap. Guys it's expensive. Deserves a free pass XD.Its gonna be using USB-C instead of SATA as can be seen here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98324.msg2763022#msg2763022.
Ignoring the silliness of defenses, I've made enough purchases lately, I got time before he happens to wander in here again and update. Still looking forward to this maybe eventually being available! Really dig the compactness of this layout.
Dunno if this was addressed farther up, but with SATA connector, does this have any limitations/differences from more modern splits using USB-C?
Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 07 February 2020, 06:45:44
Oh snap. Guys it's expensive. Deserves a free pass XD.Its gonna be using USB-C instead of SATA as can be seen here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98324.msg2763022#msg2763022.
Ignoring the silliness of defenses, I've made enough purchases lately, I got time before he happens to wander in here again and update. Still looking forward to this maybe eventually being available! Really dig the compactness of this layout.
Dunno if this was addressed farther up, but with SATA connector, does this have any limitations/differences from more modern splits using USB-C?
Awesome, thanks! Couldn't remember if I read it here that it was an issue and that he was switching, or whether it was in a thread for a previous version.
Post by: Digitize on Fri, 07 February 2020, 09:39:53
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Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 07 February 2020, 11:52:11
this zeelobby guy is tryna be the next post count +1Did I get it??? (Sorry. Works boring)
Post by: whalematrontron on Sat, 08 February 2020, 01:49:27
I think everyone here knows that making custom keyboards isn't sustainable business model yet and it's a hobby for most people. Yes, OP didn't take our money yet, but when you're your own master and set deadlines that you miss (regardless of seriousness) you _have_ to let people know before deadline as to why you're failed, what are you going to do next, and what's gonna be next deadline.
As someone here said before, OP and another person affiliated with project has been to the forum multiple times since November. Actually OP been here as recently as 2 days ago. Why is it so hard to let people know as to why this project isn't moving forward is beyond me. Actually, what frustrates people the most is simply lack of communication, not the state of the project.
Are you done with project? Sad, but okay, I can spend my money somewhere else.
Did you fail to find a decent manufacturer? Known problem, happens often, understandable, keep us updated.
Are you having problems building the proto (was there one actually?) due to updated design? Understandable, let us know what problems have you encountered so other people can also learn from your mistakes.
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Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Sat, 08 February 2020, 13:20:34
Apologists
No one is apologizing for OP, he just doesn't owe you anything. It's a statement of fact not an apology and bumping this thread every day to whine about it is the issue most of the "apologists" have with the people "requesting transparency". Like 30 people have already requested it, if someone thinks OP looks at this thread and doesn't think people want updates then that someone has some critical thinking issues.
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 08 February 2020, 14:03:15
We can just let it drop at this point. If people keep responding to people asking for updates who then get responded to by those seeking for updates. Etc. Time for everyone to just move on. Or worst case. See it's someone asking for an update and just hit the back button.Apologists
No one is apologizing for OP, he just doesn't owe you anything. It's a statement of fact not an apology and bumping this thread every day to whine about it is the issue most of the "apologists" have with the people "requesting transparency". Like 30 people have already requested it, if someone thinks OP looks at this thread and doesn't think people want updates then that someone has some critical thinking issues.
So talking about the board again, is it normal for a split to have this many pieces? Is it simply because it's doubled cause the board is cut in half? Or is the complexity in construction part of the appeal?
Post by: Ductyl on Sat, 08 February 2020, 14:28:38
Post by: MasterTi on Thu, 05 March 2020, 13:03:15
Post by: snarfel on Thu, 16 April 2020, 10:49:40
Post by: Tyson on Tue, 21 April 2020, 09:11:33
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Tue, 21 April 2020, 09:46:34
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Post by: yicaoyimu on Tue, 21 April 2020, 10:08:35
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Tue, 21 April 2020, 10:16:04
keeb.io is working on a split staggered 75%. That will make a perfect VE.A alternative (minus the alu case).Hopefully it wont be a PITA to get as Quefrency is currently.
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 21 April 2020, 18:48:09
No updates in over a year, RIP VEA 2, this thing is dead in the water. :/
it's not dead it's just taking a ****ing age for some reason
even i don't know anymore
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 21 April 2020, 18:54:25
If someone made an aluminum case for the keebio split 75 I'd buy quick. It could have all the subtlety and nuance of the drop Ctrl design and I'd still get 1 or 2. P3dstore I'm still buying your 3d printed too.
Post by: snarfel on Tue, 21 April 2020, 19:56:06
keeb.io is working on a split staggered 75%. That will make a perfect VE.A alternative (minus the alu case).Ooo, thanks for highlighting, subscribed to email list for PCB! If you don't mind me asking, how did you find out? I don't want to miss any case GB's for it (r/mk only had 20ish upvotes)
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 21 April 2020, 23:01:23
Post by: yicaoyimu on Tue, 21 April 2020, 23:16:29
keeb.io is working on a split staggered 75%. That will make a perfect VE.A alternative (minus the alu case).Ooo, thanks for highlighting, subscribed to email list for PCB! If you don't mind me asking, how did you find out? I don't want to miss any case GB's for it (r/mk only had 20ish upvotes)
keeb.io has a trello board for project update. I have been stalking the board for Quefrency v2 update and came across the split starggered 75% that they are working on.
Post by: HomestylePY on Wed, 22 April 2020, 15:22:35
count me in
Post by: keuhdall on Thu, 23 April 2020, 16:52:24
Looks amazing, the 10 macro keys on the left are great too, and on top of that, v2 has a "built-in" tenting kit...
That keyboard is really perfection for me, and I really don't mind waiting even more to see this GB happen, but I just wish we had some updates regarding the state of the project...
Looking at OP's profile, seems like he didn't connect to GH for almost 2 month, let's just hope he's doing ok and give us some updates anytime soon I guess.
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Fri, 01 May 2020, 09:02:54
So far I didn't find any other 75%, split, staggered keyboard as good as this one.Agreed. Lets hope He/She is OK, let's put our pitchforks down and hope this still happens! I WANT THIS SO BAD!
Looks amazing, the 10 macro keys on the left are great too, and on top of that, v2 has a "built-in" tenting kit...
That keyboard is really perfection for me, and I really don't mind waiting even more to see this GB happen, but I just wish we had some updates regarding the state of the project...
Looking at OP's profile, seems like he didn't connect to GH for almost 2 month, let's just hope he's doing ok and give us some updates anytime soon I guess.
Positive vibes!
Post by: soso on Tue, 05 May 2020, 08:50:47
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Tue, 05 May 2020, 10:00:24
Can someone say endgame!? ;)
Post by: Hexterdude on Mon, 11 May 2020, 03:16:48
Post by: Neostoic on Mon, 11 May 2020, 04:05:35
Will be waiting as look as it takes too...
Post by: XtReeM1337n355 on Thu, 14 May 2020, 01:11:45
Post by: harmful on Thu, 14 May 2020, 10:07:02
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Thu, 14 May 2020, 10:08:28
I just googled uni660 and omfg where site was the GB offered?There was only private GB so far. Official GB will be held (at least) on https://ilumkb.com/.
Post by: AvoidingYou on Mon, 18 May 2020, 11:18:03
I finally made a geekhack account specifically to show interest on this particular board.
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Tue, 09 June 2020, 11:21:15
COME BACK OP!
We want this so bad! I want this so bad.
Is there anything that the community (or myself) can do to help you in this process?
I'm willing to do what I can to make this a reality.
Thanks! Talk soon I hope. :)
Post by: baysic on Mon, 22 June 2020, 07:34:21
Post by: Rejeckted on Mon, 22 June 2020, 09:14:45
OP COME BACK!
COME BACK OP!
We want this so bad! I want this so bad.
Is there anything that the community (or myself) can do to help you in this process?
I'm willing to do what I can to make this a reality.
Thanks! Talk soon I hope. :)
The original VE.A ran on drop, so if you have friends who work for drop that might help.
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Mon, 22 June 2020, 10:22:23
OP COME BACK!
COME BACK OP!
We want this so bad! I want this so bad.
Is there anything that the community (or myself) can do to help you in this process?
I'm willing to do what I can to make this a reality.
Thanks! Talk soon I hope. :)
The original VE.A ran on drop, so if you have friends who work for drop that might help.
I don't,,,,,BUT.......maybe someone here does?!??!
This board is amazing. i need 2 of them. :)
Post by: keuhdall on Tue, 23 June 2020, 15:03:27
Looks like OP was active on GH a few days ago... So maybe we can expect some news soon ?
Fingers crossed !
Post by: PainMaster on Sun, 13 September 2020, 09:20:32
Thank you for not forgetting.
This project was very hard.
I think it'll be over if we make one more sample.
GroupBuy is scheduled on "2020.11.01 ~ 2020.11.21".
Amount is don't know yet.
PS : Each part is a sample, so please take it into consideration.
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Post by: typischt on Sun, 13 September 2020, 09:28:49
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Post by: yui_ on Sun, 13 September 2020, 10:49:06
Post by: soso on Sun, 13 September 2020, 10:50:34
Post by: dantambok on Sun, 13 September 2020, 11:01:28
Post by: litster on Sun, 13 September 2020, 12:21:01
Post by: juusu on Sun, 13 September 2020, 12:35:44
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 13 September 2020, 12:53:08
Post by: dededecline on Sun, 13 September 2020, 13:14:10
We are still alive !!
Thank you for not forgetting.
This project was very hard.
I think it'll be over if we make one more sample.
GroupBuy is scheduled on "2020.11.01 ~ 2020.11.21".
Amount is don't know yet.
PS : Each part is a sample, so please take it into consideration.
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Very exciting! Any more changes before GB starts? For example would love if it ran QMK/VIA instead of bootmapper
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Sun, 13 September 2020, 13:29:57
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Post by: Shadohhh on Sun, 13 September 2020, 15:39:15
Post by: snarfel on Sun, 13 September 2020, 15:58:28
Yes, I would love QMK+VIA support as well!We are still alive !!
Thank you for not forgetting.
This project was very hard.
I think it'll be over if we make one more sample.
GroupBuy is scheduled on "2020.11.01 ~ 2020.11.21".
Amount is don't know yet.
PS : Each part is a sample, so please take it into consideration.
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Very exciting! Any more changes before GB starts? For example would love if it ran QMK/VIA instead of bootmapper
Would also love hotswap!
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Sun, 13 September 2020, 17:19:43
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Post by: PainMaster on Sun, 13 September 2020, 19:56:56
But, it is not within our scope of support.
We can't guarantee it.
We are still alive !!
Thank you for not forgetting.
This project was very hard.
I think it'll be over if we make one more sample.
GroupBuy is scheduled on "2020.11.01 ~ 2020.11.21".
Amount is don't know yet.
PS : Each part is a sample, so please take it into consideration.
(Attachment Link)
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Very exciting! Any more changes before GB starts? For example would love if it ran QMK/VIA instead of bootmapper
Post by: PainMaster on Sun, 13 September 2020, 20:03:38
We was first made compatible, but... after change connector, not anymore.
Is the pcb backwards compatible? Any chance the pcb files are available anywhere?
Post by: MIXO Cables on Sun, 13 September 2020, 22:09:59
would definitely consider without split spacebar
Post by: whykayallday on Sun, 13 September 2020, 23:45:11
split space bar is not my thing but i prefer the thingy on the top left hand corner, looks very toyish and fun
would definitely consider without split spacebar
Good thing it doesn't need your consideration.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 13 September 2020, 23:48:49
Let’s explore that design some more. Like, keep the board together for a 6u space bar, but juuuust a bit of breathing room for that 6.25u
Post by: litster on Mon, 14 September 2020, 00:55:24
Are you OK?
Post by: litster on Mon, 14 September 2020, 01:51:11
split space bar is not my thing but i prefer the thingy on the top left hand corner, looks very toyish and fun
would definitely consider without split spacebar
>would definitely consider without split spacebar
Let’s explore that design some more. Like, keep the board together for a 6u space bar, but juuuust a bit of breathing room for that 6.25u
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 14 September 2020, 02:08:00
In all seriousness tho can we have a tent kit for this round?
Post by: thornkin on Mon, 14 September 2020, 03:01:28
Don't want to get my hopes up too high. This will be hard to get I am sure.
Post by: keuhdall on Mon, 14 September 2020, 03:20:21
Still down for 2 :thumb:
Btw, do you have or are you planning to create a discord to keep people updated on this / other upcoming project ?
Post by: keuhdall on Mon, 14 September 2020, 03:25:50
Get a really curved GMK bar, you could combine with a tent kit
In all seriousness tho can we have a tent kit for this round?
AFAIK tent kit is already planned, you can see some pics on the first prototype page 1.
Post by: nathanchere on Mon, 14 September 2020, 05:13:18
would definitely consider without split spacebar
:)) :)) :)) :)) ;D ;D ;D :)) :)) :)) :))
Post by: brln on Mon, 14 September 2020, 15:41:38
Post by: Little4Real on Mon, 14 September 2020, 18:14:56
We are still alive !!
Thank you for not forgetting.
This project was very hard.
I think it'll be over if we make one more sample.
GroupBuy is scheduled on "2020.11.01 ~ 2020.11.21".
Amount is don't know yet.
PS : Each part is a sample, so please take it into consideration.
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Before this head into GB phase, I have two questions...
- Any chance that you've ported the PCB to QMK?
- Is there any way you would consider other mid-pieces? Brass as an alternative (or addition) to the PC mid-piece?
Everyone's been amped to see the VE.A v2 make it to GB, but these things are what everyone (including myself) are looking forward to.
Post by: japancakes on Mon, 14 September 2020, 23:31:27
Post by: Little4Real on Mon, 14 September 2020, 23:59:07
Incompatible.
We was first made compatible, but... after change connector, not anymore.Is the pcb backwards compatible? Any chance the pcb files are available anywhere?
Incompatible.
We was first made compatible, but... after change connector, not anymore.Is the pcb backwards compatible? Any chance the pcb files are available anywhere?
Also, is there any chance you'd make the VE.A v1 plate/mid-section/pcb files available? Been using this keyboard for years and would love to be able to modernize it in some fashion.
Post by: d00deitsnik on Tue, 15 September 2020, 13:58:01
Post by: JediJesseS on Wed, 16 September 2020, 17:15:06
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Post by: Tyson on Thu, 17 September 2020, 07:00:39
Post by: gminso on Fri, 18 September 2020, 22:03:59
Post by: matrocksteady on Sat, 19 September 2020, 23:43:20
Joined for this board just about a year ago to the date hoping for updates. Can't believe this is happening. I am so hyped. Had totally given up, but randomly clicked on my bookmark for this thread and couldn't believe my eyes.
Post by: hark on Sun, 20 September 2020, 02:47:36
Post by: mangeHD on Sun, 20 September 2020, 10:43:22
Post by: PainMaster on Mon, 21 September 2020, 16:53:39
seeing 3 usb-c coming out of the board, I wonder if you can connect each halves directly to your pc. what will happen if you connect all 3 ports to the pc?
Post by: audax989 on Mon, 21 September 2020, 18:39:02
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 21 September 2020, 20:15:57
We are still alive !!
Thank you for not forgetting.
This project was very hard.
I think it'll be over if we make one more sample.
GroupBuy is scheduled on "2020.11.01 ~ 2020.11.21".
Amount is don't know yet.
PS : Each part is a sample, so please take it into consideration.
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USB between the halves !!!
very nice very excited
Post by: Jedi on Mon, 21 September 2020, 21:45:23
Post by: urbantheii on Mon, 28 September 2020, 09:17:26
Post by: shensmobile on Mon, 28 September 2020, 12:36:18
Incompatible.
We was first made compatible, but... after change connector, not anymore.Is the pcb backwards compatible? Any chance the pcb files are available anywhere?
I plan on picking up a few VE.A's as I love my original VE.A. I am worried long term that my PCB won't survive another de-soldering. Are the PCB/plate files available for v1? Or even just a DXF for the PCB? I would be very interested in making a hot swap compatible PCB for the first VE.A and produce some plates for it. At this point, since VE.A v2 GB looks like it's going to be a huge success, is it possible for you to help us out who supported v1 GB?
Thanks!
Post by: thornkin on Mon, 28 September 2020, 18:10:12
Post by: snarfel on Mon, 28 September 2020, 18:59:35
Has there been any sense how big this gn would be? Are we all going to be scrambling for 25 boards?Given the last version was ran through Drop I'm hopeful it won't be a limited supply situation
Post by: homerowco on Tue, 29 September 2020, 11:50:41
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Tue, 06 October 2020, 09:41:18
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Post by: andrewregal on Wed, 14 October 2020, 00:19:25
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 14 October 2020, 04:23:46
Glad to see the dream i still alive!
Typing this one a ve.a v1 which has been my daily driver for longer then I care to admit <3
Post by: MrFurrior on Wed, 14 October 2020, 08:51:49
Is this still on pace to start in November?
IIRC the November mentioned was for 2019.....
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Wed, 14 October 2020, 09:00:18
Is this still on pace to start in November?
IIRC the November mentioned was for 2019.....
OP had stated that the Group Buy would run November of THIS YEAR.
Post by: andrewregal on Wed, 14 October 2020, 10:52:14
Is this still on pace to start in November?
IIRC the November mentioned was for 2019.....
OP had stated that the Group Buy would run November of THIS YEAR.
Yup exactly. I was referencing this post:
We are still alive !!
Thank you for not forgetting.
This project was very hard.
I think it'll be over if we make one more sample.
GroupBuy is scheduled on "2020.11.01 ~ 2020.11.21".
Amount is don't know yet.
PS : Each part is a sample, so please take it into consideration.
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Post by: strigif0rm3s on Thu, 29 October 2020, 11:22:58
Has the cost been determined yet?
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Post by: gminso on Sat, 31 October 2020, 01:05:10
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Sat, 31 October 2020, 17:30:11
am quite relieved that ve.a is not happening tomorrow. i need to buy u80 and sat75.How do you know it's not happening?
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Post by: gminso on Sat, 31 October 2020, 20:22:13
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Sun, 01 November 2020, 04:06:05
- OP is MIA again. Last time they were here is 17th of October.
- No general info about the run: quantity, sale format, vendors, prices, shipping, production time.
- No info about board itself: options, colors, badges, etc.
- No photos of finished product.
OP showed remarkable lack of decency (not to mention respect) for the people willing to participate in the GB (and community as a whole) with the stunt they're pulling. I suggest you forget this ever existed, move on and spend your money elsewhere.
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 01 November 2020, 06:34:21
I'd also say it not gonna happen in November (or maybe at all) due to:Hasn't talked to us since September. And I am alone and scared. Why would he do this to us, his loyal children. What a scammer. Didn't even take our money yet. Called us names. Peed in my cereal. What a mean mean designer man. Not fair!
- OP is MIA again. Last time they were here is 17th of October.
- No general info about the run: quantity, sale format, vendors, prices, shipping, production time.
- No info about board itself: options, colors, badges, etc.
- No photos of finished product.
OP showed remarkable lack of decency (not to mention respect) for the people willing to participate in the GB (and community as a whole) with the stunt they're pulling. I suggest you forget this ever existed, move on and spend your money elsewhere.
Post by: dsaf on Sun, 01 November 2020, 10:14:12
OP showed remarkable lack of decency (not to mention respect) for the people willing to participate in the GB (and community as a whole) with the stunt they're pulling. I suggest you forget this ever existed, move on and spend your money elsewhere.
I might have to buy 2 instead of 1 now, to show the appreciation for OP's dedication and hard work (that will not be properly compensated).
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Sun, 01 November 2020, 12:23:45
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Post by: japancakes on Sun, 01 November 2020, 12:46:07
Hoping the VE.A V2 does happen though. Been holding out for ...a while.
Post by: MrFurrior on Sun, 01 November 2020, 13:37:48
Is this still on pace to start in November?
IIRC the November mentioned was for 2019.....
OP had stated that the Group Buy would run November of THIS YEAR.
Yeh, but OP said that last year as well. Judging by the inactivity, we'll see another November come and go :)
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sun, 01 November 2020, 14:24:10
Post by: nathanchere on Sun, 01 November 2020, 14:30:08
We are still alive !!
Thank you for not forgetting.
This project was very hard.
I think it'll be over if we make one more sample.
GroupBuy is scheduled on "2020.11.01 ~ 2020.11.21".
Maybe the sample didn't turn out as hoped :-X
Post by: DPetford on Mon, 02 November 2020, 08:47:46
Post by: homerowco on Mon, 02 November 2020, 09:02:24
Given the sporadic manner in which OP has managed this IC, I would be extremely hesitant to put down cash for any potential groupbuy purely for the risk I'd never see him/her and (as a result) my money ever again. Pretty sad considering the keyboard itself looks great.
hey there captain two posts. this is the second version, there has been sporadic news for 2 years and beyond. they aren't in a hurry, clearly. after all this is an interest check and not a group buy post. it's to check interest for a later sale, at any given point in the future, or not at all. you can easy see this by checking the first post which is from Sun, 25 November 2018. whenever they're ready they will announce it.
there is no reason to leave such comments on an IC post from a maker that had no drama attached to its name and caused absolutely zero issues in this community for 4+ years.
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Mon, 02 November 2020, 09:33:15
Given the sporadic manner in which OP has managed this IC, I would be extremely hesitant to put down cash for any potential groupbuy purely for the risk I'd never see him/her and (as a result) my money ever again. Pretty sad considering the keyboard itself looks great.
hey there captain two posts. this is the second version, there has been sporadic news for 2 years and beyond. they aren't in a hurry, clearly. after all this is an interest check and not a group buy post. it's to check interest for a later sale, at any given point in the future, or not at all. you can easy see this by checking the first post which is from Sun, 25 November 2018. whenever they're ready they will announce it.
there is no reason to leave such comments on an IC post from a maker that had no drama attached to its name and caused absolutely zero issues in this community for 4+ years.
yes, this^^^ agreed.
patience. it'll happen and it'll be glorious!
Post by: Rejeckted on Mon, 02 November 2020, 09:39:03
Anyways, I'm glad this project is still alive. I lost some hope there for a little bit. Looking forward to updates
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Mon, 02 November 2020, 14:00:51
Given the sporadic manner in which OP has managed this IC, I would be extremely hesitant to put down cash for any potential groupbuy purely for the risk I'd never see him/her and (as a result) my money ever again. Pretty sad considering the keyboard itself looks great.
hey there captain two posts. this is the second version, there has been sporadic news for 2 years and beyond. they aren't in a hurry, clearly. after all this is an interest check and not a group buy post. it's to check interest for a later sale, at any given point in the future, or not at all. you can easy see this by checking the first post which is from Sun, 25 November 2018. whenever they're ready they will announce it.
there is no reason to leave such comments on an IC post from a maker that had no drama attached to its name and caused absolutely zero issues in this community for 4+ years.
"captain two posts" made my day by the way.
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Mon, 30 November 2020, 11:27:38
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Post by: keuhdall on Mon, 07 December 2020, 04:50:10
OP's probably not satisfied yet with the prototypes / build quality.
Let's keep faith and wait for updates.
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 07 December 2020, 11:45:18
we can keep waiting
Post by: Pontus on Mon, 07 December 2020, 14:44:47
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Mon, 07 December 2020, 15:30:19
While the sata cable is an interesting choice I feel like there are more options available right now that might be a bit better
The new pcb ("new" from over a year ago) is usb-c for all connections.
Post by: PainMaster on Mon, 14 December 2020, 03:58:56
The Part Assembly Test has Ended. (finally !!!!)
Now we proceed to the anodizing color sample.
After checking the anodizing color sample, proceed group buy.
Group Buy was scheduled to start on December 1st.
But, we are couldn't get together six month, in the aftermath of the 'covid-19'.
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the screws before tightening them.
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Post by: typischt on Mon, 14 December 2020, 04:03:18
Post by: Sissy on Mon, 14 December 2020, 04:12:59
Post by: homerowco on Mon, 14 December 2020, 08:57:22
After checking the anodizing color sample, proceed group buy.
I'll take two please, thanks! ;)
Post by: Engedi_ on Mon, 14 December 2020, 09:13:59
Only concern is that it will replace my current boards and stopping using them lol.
Post by: Rejeckted on Mon, 14 December 2020, 10:02:41
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 14 December 2020, 10:24:07
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 14 December 2020, 11:53:42
> 2020.12.12
The Part Assembly Test has Ended. (finally !!!!)
Now we proceed to the anodizing color sample.
After checking the anodizing color sample, proceed group buy.
Group Buy was scheduled to start on December 1st.
But, we are couldn't get together six month, in the aftermath of the 'covid-19'.
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the screws before tightening them.
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Looks great! Thanks for sharing
Post by: Havattack on Mon, 14 December 2020, 12:01:17
Post by: brln on Mon, 14 December 2020, 14:44:59
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Mon, 14 December 2020, 16:25:01
Post by: Alejo1707 on Mon, 14 December 2020, 20:49:20
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Mon, 21 December 2020, 08:19:51
Post by: Engedi_ on Mon, 21 December 2020, 14:05:51
So guessing Q1/Q2.
If I get one, I'm afraid it will make the rest of my boards obsolete lol.
Post by: G.C.W. on Tue, 22 December 2020, 02:15:58
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 23 December 2020, 03:13:46
Possibility to switch spacebar 1u to the right on the left part?Was possible on v1, so I'm guessing yes
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Post by: Alejo1707 on Fri, 25 December 2020, 19:48:02
Do you happen to have a Discord server to be more up to date with the project's progress?
Edit: added an apostrophe
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Post by: regionfree on Tue, 29 December 2020, 07:56:59
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Tue, 29 December 2020, 08:24:21
Unwatching this. Giving up on this project."Thanks for telling us! We care!" -no one
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Post by: Alejo1707 on Tue, 29 December 2020, 09:06:25
Unwatching this. Giving up on this project."Thanks for telling us! We care!" -no one
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I care...please don't go regionfree :'(
I'll miss you!!! :(
Post by: dahun.kim@ on Tue, 29 December 2020, 12:55:51
Post by: litster on Fri, 01 January 2021, 23:43:44
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Thu, 21 January 2021, 16:11:15
Post by: japancakes on Thu, 18 March 2021, 17:01:48
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Thu, 18 March 2021, 20:52:45
Still just daydreaming about this thing...Same! It'll happen!
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Post by: shensmobile on Wed, 07 April 2021, 11:33:08
Is it possible to get a DXF for the VE.A PCB? If I can't get my hands on a 2nd VE.A, I would at least like to make a few more PCB+Plate combos for the one I currently have to have different switch combinations. Happy to share the PCB files with you to support people who want to refurbish their gen1 VE.As.
Post by: Little4Real on Wed, 07 April 2021, 16:49:33
@Painmaster
Is it possible to get a DXF for the VE.A PCB? If I can't get my hands on a 2nd VE.A, I would at least like to make a few more PCB+Plate combos for the one I currently have to have different switch combinations. Happy to share the PCB files with you to support people who want to refurbish their gen1 VE.As.
THIS!!! :eek: :thumb:
Gerber files for the VE.A v1 PCB would be greatly appreciated. I've had mine over the years, and would love to enjoy it for even longer without having to worry about the PCB eventually dying on me.
Post by: homerowco on Thu, 08 April 2021, 18:24:56
Post by: g_hack_it on Thu, 08 April 2021, 20:57:47
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Post by: shensmobile on Wed, 14 April 2021, 16:52:51
@Painmaster
Is it possible to get a DXF for the VE.A PCB? If I can't get my hands on a 2nd VE.A, I would at least like to make a few more PCB+Plate combos for the one I currently have to have different switch combinations. Happy to share the PCB files with you to support people who want to refurbish their gen1 VE.As.
THIS!!! :eek: :thumb:
Gerber files for the VE.A v1 PCB would be greatly appreciated. I've had mine over the years, and would love to enjoy it for even longer without having to worry about the PCB eventually dying on me.
I might just de-solder my VE.A to take measurements and do my best to make a replica. If I make a replacement PCB, it'll likely be QMK powered since I don't know how to get bootmapper installed onto a board. Any interest in a few spare PCBs?
Post by: Little4Real on Wed, 14 April 2021, 17:10:27
I might just de-solder my VE.A to take measurements and do my best to make a replica. If I make a replacement PCB, it'll likely be QMK powered since I don't know how to get bootmapper installed onto a board. Any interest in a few spare PCBs?
I'm down to purchase a couple. Pretty sure there's quite a few people out there looking for replacement VE.A PCBs as well.
Post by: snarfel on Fri, 16 April 2021, 14:28:43
I would also suggest making VIA compatible. Being able to update mappings on the fly w/o having to flash via a certain process is super nice for one of the keebs I have@Painmaster
Is it possible to get a DXF for the VE.A PCB? If I can't get my hands on a 2nd VE.A, I would at least like to make a few more PCB+Plate combos for the one I currently have to have different switch combinations. Happy to share the PCB files with you to support people who want to refurbish their gen1 VE.As.
THIS!!! :eek: :thumb:
Gerber files for the VE.A v1 PCB would be greatly appreciated. I've had mine over the years, and would love to enjoy it for even longer without having to worry about the PCB eventually dying on me.
I might just de-solder my VE.A to take measurements and do my best to make a replica. If I make a replacement PCB, it'll likely be QMK powered since I don't know how to get bootmapper installed onto a board. Any interest in a few spare PCBs?
Post by: Tyson on Fri, 16 April 2021, 16:20:33
I would also suggest making VIA compatible. Being able to update mappings on the fly w/o having to flash via a certain process is super nice for one of the keebs I have@Painmaster
Is it possible to get a DXF for the VE.A PCB? If I can't get my hands on a 2nd VE.A, I would at least like to make a few more PCB+Plate combos for the one I currently have to have different switch combinations. Happy to share the PCB files with you to support people who want to refurbish their gen1 VE.As.
THIS!!! :eek: :thumb:
Gerber files for the VE.A v1 PCB would be greatly appreciated. I've had mine over the years, and would love to enjoy it for even longer without having to worry about the PCB eventually dying on me.
I might just de-solder my VE.A to take measurements and do my best to make a replica. If I make a replacement PCB, it'll likely be QMK powered since I don't know how to get bootmapper installed onto a board. Any interest in a few spare PCBs?
MechMerlin has had a VE.A PCB for over a year now, the owner sent it to him for Merlin to Port to QMK and VIA, not too sure when Merlin will get around to it.
Post by: shensmobile on Tue, 20 April 2021, 10:16:08
I would also suggest making VIA compatible. Being able to update mappings on the fly w/o having to flash via a certain process is super nice for one of the keebs I have@Painmaster
Is it possible to get a DXF for the VE.A PCB? If I can't get my hands on a 2nd VE.A, I would at least like to make a few more PCB+Plate combos for the one I currently have to have different switch combinations. Happy to share the PCB files with you to support people who want to refurbish their gen1 VE.As.
THIS!!! :eek: :thumb:
Gerber files for the VE.A v1 PCB would be greatly appreciated. I've had mine over the years, and would love to enjoy it for even longer without having to worry about the PCB eventually dying on me.
I might just de-solder my VE.A to take measurements and do my best to make a replica. If I make a replacement PCB, it'll likely be QMK powered since I don't know how to get bootmapper installed onto a board. Any interest in a few spare PCBs?
MechMerlin has had a VE.A PCB for over a year now, the owner sent it to him for Merlin to Port to QMK and VIA, not too sure when Merlin will get around to it.
Oh daaaaaaaaaaamn. That would certainly save all of us a bunch of time. Does MechMerlin ever open-source the files? I usually just order blank PCBs and solder things on myself.
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 20 April 2021, 13:52:19
I would also suggest making VIA compatible. Being able to update mappings on the fly w/o having to flash via a certain process is super nice for one of the keebs I have@Painmaster
Is it possible to get a DXF for the VE.A PCB? If I can't get my hands on a 2nd VE.A, I would at least like to make a few more PCB+Plate combos for the one I currently have to have different switch combinations. Happy to share the PCB files with you to support people who want to refurbish their gen1 VE.As.
THIS!!! :eek: :thumb:
Gerber files for the VE.A v1 PCB would be greatly appreciated. I've had mine over the years, and would love to enjoy it for even longer without having to worry about the PCB eventually dying on me.
I might just de-solder my VE.A to take measurements and do my best to make a replica. If I make a replacement PCB, it'll likely be QMK powered since I don't know how to get bootmapper installed onto a board. Any interest in a few spare PCBs?
MechMerlin has had a VE.A PCB for over a year now, the owner sent it to him for Merlin to Port to QMK and VIA, not too sure when Merlin will get around to it.
Oh daaaaaaaaaaamn. That would certainly save all of us a bunch of time. Does MechMerlin ever open-source the files? I usually just order blank PCBs and solder things on myself.
If it's ported, it will be in the QMK repo and the Via layout repo.
Post by: shensmobile on Wed, 21 April 2021, 11:21:33
If it's ported, it will be in the QMK repo and the Via layout repo.
Well hot damn, it's up there. Now I just need to get my hands on this PCB!
Edit: Damn, misunderstood. Sounds like he just has a normal VE.A PCB, not a re-designed VE.A PCB that needed firmware. He probably won't have the gerber files in that case. Back to the drawing board!
Edit edit: Found the VE.A PCB DWG on the kbdlab forums. Thank you Vermillion for posting them. I'm going to slowly work on porting the design. I will be using USB-C connectors where I can. I just bought a used VE.A with a de-soldered PCB, I'll use that for verification of pinouts. I'll make it as direct of a clone as possible to the original PCB. Hopefully this preserves the capability to use Bootmapper if we want to (I'm not sure how to actually make the atmega compatible with bootmapper client though, can I just flash the .hex firmware that Vermillion made available?)
Post by: keuhdall on Thu, 10 June 2021, 05:35:36
Does anyone in the community has news about this ?
Post by: snarfel on Thu, 10 June 2021, 16:22:46
Post by: MajorKoos on Thu, 10 June 2021, 16:27:59
It's under oddforge/vea in the repo.
If you want to DL from caniusevia.com you're looking for oddforge_vea_via.hex
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Fri, 11 June 2021, 08:05:31
Post by: dahun.kim@ on Fri, 11 June 2021, 14:37:28
Post by: HappyB0T on Wed, 30 June 2021, 21:56:29
Post by: Engedi_ on Tue, 17 August 2021, 10:41:45
This is clearly not OP's priority, I've been waiting for a couple years for this board to come to fruition. I think it'll happen, just going to take a while. have patience..... :)
I'm just afraid when it does happen, how long we have to wait for it be delivered to your door. Hopefully it's not another Jane.
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Tue, 17 August 2021, 14:15:44
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Post by: rawrjau on Sun, 12 September 2021, 00:49:37
Post by: strigif0rm3s on Sun, 12 September 2021, 01:57:12
Here's hoping there's still life to this project. Sorry for baiting your watched posts :Dhttps://c.tenor.com/6uKkbtEVcvsAAAAM/son-of-a-*****-chris-farley.gif
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Post by: Engedi_ on Wed, 22 September 2021, 11:36:39
Post by: paperassgasket on Wed, 22 September 2021, 22:58:06
How many have you RECIEVED while waiting for this? That's the real measure.
Post by: litster on Wed, 22 September 2021, 23:39:18
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 22 September 2021, 23:50:51
Post by: litster on Thu, 23 September 2021, 00:25:03
Post by: KMPLSV on Thu, 23 September 2021, 09:07:03
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 23 September 2021, 09:24:04
Post by: brln on Thu, 23 September 2021, 11:58:49
I have three. Three VE.A keyboards :D
So how does your desk look like?
L3 L2 L1 R1 R2 R3
or
L1 R1 L2 R2 L3 R3 ?
If you ever wanted to be lifted of the "burden" of one hmu.
I still have hope :(
Post by: litster on Thu, 23 September 2021, 12:26:01
(https://i.imgur.com/BlvkNjq.png)
Post by: noahf on Thu, 23 September 2021, 12:39:26
This was my original endgame years ago. I think I’ll be holding SP-111 round 2 boards in my hands in 2023 while this still gets necro’ d every few months. Sad this doppleganger and kendo never made it.
who said doppleganger is dead?
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 23 September 2021, 16:29:38
This was my original endgame years ago. I think I’ll be holding SP-111 round 2 boards in my hands in 2023 while this still gets necro’ d every few months. Sad this doppleganger and kendo never made it.
who said doppleganger is dead?
the man himself! It lives?
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 29 September 2021, 23:56:08
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 30 September 2021, 08:07:36
Post by: juusu on Thu, 30 September 2021, 09:17:37
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 30 September 2021, 10:33:20
Where did you guys get those wooden tenting kits/wrist rests? I’d really love something like that for my Sinc
they were a separate GB after the original
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 30 September 2021, 12:26:46
Where did you guys get those wooden tenting kits/wrist rests? I’d really love something like that for my Sinc
they were a separate GB after the original
Puddsy or otherwise, do you know who made them?
Post by: litster on Thu, 30 September 2021, 12:58:06
Puddsy or otherwise, do you know who made them?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88053.0
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 30 September 2021, 13:12:57
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 30 September 2021, 21:39:25
Where did you guys get those wooden tenting kits/wrist rests? I’d really love something like that for my Sinc
they were a separate GB after the original
Puddsy or otherwise, do you know who made them?
bendrexl ultimately made them. gb run by his friend alienman82. it was a cluster **** that nearly did not happen until people started issuing paypal disputes and getting refunds
not that those guys are around anymore, but i would not do anything with them again
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 01 October 2021, 10:48:47
Where did you guys get those wooden tenting kits/wrist rests? I’d really love something like that for my Sinc
they were a separate GB after the original
Puddsy or otherwise, do you know who made them?
bendrexl ultimately made them. gb run by his friend alienman82. it was a cluster **** that nearly did not happen until people started issuing paypal disputes and getting refunds
not that those guys are around anymore, but i would not do anything with them again
ya i remember that debacle. was not good
Post by: Engedi_ on Fri, 01 October 2021, 16:53:15
So? I've bought like 4 boards so far this month.
How many have you RECIEVED while waiting for this? That's the real measure.
Just one lol. Mr Suit. Still waiting for vega and others.
This was also one of my endgames.
I fear it will not happen...
Post by: japancakes on Fri, 22 October 2021, 17:52:14
Sat75 + F13 + gasket + Case/PE Foam weeeew lad. Wish I knew how to render or do any of this stuff.
Post by: keuhdall on Wed, 22 June 2022, 08:29:04
According to his last messages, things seemed to be coming along well with those USB-C prototypes, but no messages since, and it has been almost a year since OP's last connection.
With covid and everything going on since his last message I was hoping someone could tell us if he's doing good or not at least, and if he's willing to continue this project.
EDIT: Sorry for giving false hopes to those who like me have been expecting updates on this topic for quite some time now :(
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 22 June 2022, 14:06:48
Bumping just in case someone knows what happens to OP ?
According to his last messages, things seemed to be coming along well with those USB-C prototypes, but no messages since, and it has been almost a year since OP's last connection.
With covid and everything going on since his last message I was hoping someone could tell us if he's doing good or not at least, and if he's willing to continue this project.
EDIT: Sorry for giving false hopes to those who like me have been expecting updates on this topic for quite some time now :(
last i heard he is deep in the aether but there were a number of people working on this project, not just the OP
but the places i was looking for to get updates have been largely quiet
Post by: el-Chapino-del-Pepino on Thu, 11 August 2022, 13:58:03
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 15 November 2022, 08:34:35