Post by: snurrebassen on Thu, 20 February 2020, 05:26:55
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E c l i p s e
by snurrebassen
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Twitch (https://www.twitch.tv/TypeLab)
Moved to GB:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=113079.msg3053818#msg3053818
Hello I'm very excited to share a keyboard I've been working on.
I'm a graphic designer/3D artist, and I've been into keyboards for a few years now. I've been experimenting my way with building a variety of keyboards,
trying to find what I like best, like we all do. I've been working with a friend of mine, w3bb0, who's doing the PCB design and together we wanted to make a 40% TKL Style keyboard (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101525.msg2813330#msg2813330/).
However we decided to move over to a bit more functional and accessible layout.
(https://i.imgur.com/mbHv6GJ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/0HJyTDu.jpg)
Prototype (v2) photos from the factory:
(https://i.imgur.com/rpeQlXH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/R0ZGRei.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NWKrgz0.jpg)
► Gasket mount ◄
►Seamless ◄
► Indicator LEDs ◄
► Internal weight ◄
► Centered USB-port ◄
► 7 degree typing angle ◄
I'm focusing on achieving beautiful aesthetics, a solid and compact sound and a pleasant typing feel.
As for layout compatibility, in the first run with prototypes we're only looking at standard ANSI and ISO layouts.
I really want to try to cover the main alternative layouts, such as split shift, split backspace and maybe even WKL, depending on responses of the form.
Progress so far:
☑ Listen to feedback and finish the design
☑ Order first prototype of PCB
☑ Order prototypes of the case in various colors
☑ Implement changes based on how the prototype looks, feels and sounds
☑ Start GB process
☐ Experience delays and setbacks but push on
UPDATE:
As I've stated in a few comments and post around, we have been working on the GB details, and I am happy to announce we have a date set!
Our very first group buy raffle is set to take place on 05/29/2021 - Last Saturday of May
- We will raffle a limited amount of 150 units of Eclipse, worldwide - one vendor. E c l i p s e
by snurrebassen
Discord (https://discord.gg/TzckdBa) | Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/snurrebassen.design/)
Twitch (https://www.twitch.tv/TypeLab)
Moved to GB:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=113079.msg3053818#msg3053818
Hello I'm very excited to share a keyboard I've been working on.
I'm a graphic designer/3D artist, and I've been into keyboards for a few years now. I've been experimenting my way with building a variety of keyboards,
trying to find what I like best, like we all do. I've been working with a friend of mine, w3bb0, who's doing the PCB design and together we wanted to make a 40% TKL Style keyboard (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101525.msg2813330#msg2813330/).
However we decided to move over to a bit more functional and accessible layout.
(https://i.imgur.com/mbHv6GJ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/0HJyTDu.jpg)
Prototype (v2) photos from the factory:
(https://i.imgur.com/rpeQlXH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/R0ZGRei.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NWKrgz0.jpg)
► Gasket mount ◄
►Seamless ◄
► Indicator LEDs ◄
► Internal weight ◄
► Centered USB-port ◄
► 7 degree typing angle ◄
I'm focusing on achieving beautiful aesthetics, a solid and compact sound and a pleasant typing feel.
As for layout compatibility, in the first run with prototypes we're only looking at standard ANSI and ISO layouts.
I really want to try to cover the main alternative layouts, such as split shift, split backspace and maybe even WKL, depending on responses of the form.
Progress so far:
☑ Listen to feedback and finish the design
☑ Order first prototype of PCB
☑ Order prototypes of the case in various colors
☑ Implement changes based on how the prototype looks, feels and sounds
☑ Start GB process
☐ Experience delays and setbacks but push on
UPDATE:
As I've stated in a few comments and post around, we have been working on the GB details, and I am happy to announce we have a date set!
Our very first group buy raffle is set to take place on 05/29/2021 - Last Saturday of May
- You will get to choose from Dark Grey, Lilac, Green and E-White.
- Default plate material is Polycarbonate. Optional plate materials are POM for a softer typing feel, and brass, for a heavier and more solid typing feel.
- Solder PCB only, I'm afraid, due to MOQ limitations. I know I've promised hotswap, but we will try get that through for the next round, when we know more about the demand. So sorry if this disappoints you, but we prioritize getting a solid first round through.
- A secure raffle will take place through mykeyboard's new website and raffle system. More details and info will come closer to the GB date.
There will most likely be more rounds, so don't feel bad if you don't win the raffle!!
Thank you all for your patience!! I'm really excited
(https://i.imgur.com/tAl8jtw.jpg)
I was a little late posting the GB thread, so it's yet to be approved by the mods. I'll link to it from here so we can continue the discussion and info over there, once it's up!
The raffle has ended! Thank you all who participated!!
Any questions, feel free to reach out to me here or in my discord :)
Post by: elmo on Thu, 20 February 2020, 05:39:45
since cygnus is most likely not going to happen anymore i'm definitely interested in this one! :D
Edit: It would be nice to be able to select more than one color and plate option in the IC form :)
Post by: Nonnegaard on Thu, 20 February 2020, 06:02:07
Post by: d.caminero on Thu, 20 February 2020, 06:02:48
2 questions:
Will it be ALPS compatible? I see that the PCB is, but will you do the plates as well?
Will you include the possibility to do split spacebar?
Post by: Quinella on Thu, 20 February 2020, 06:06:00
Post by: nathanchere on Thu, 20 February 2020, 06:12:30
Post by: Erigorin on Thu, 20 February 2020, 06:21:10
Post by: phinix on Thu, 20 February 2020, 06:42:17
Few things - how high is front? Like 18mm or so? I hope not too high.
Would you consider some dark grey or dark blue colors?
Will there be hot-swap option or just solder?
Post by: wholypantalones on Thu, 20 February 2020, 06:58:04
Are those plate mount stabilizer holes or does it support both pcb and plate mount?
If this is a sandwich gasket mount, the top is removable and the weight is internal, why is there a removable plate that screws into the bottom? Why not make the bottom seamless instead?
I went to fill out the interest check form and it only lets me choose one color and one plate material. It would be nice if you could choose more than one color and plate material.
Post by: o3okevin on Thu, 20 February 2020, 07:06:43
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Post by: DALExSNAIL on Thu, 20 February 2020, 07:53:35
Post by: heyjaykay on Thu, 20 February 2020, 09:00:32
Really digging this layout idea. Form needs to be tweaked slightly tho, as what some other users have mentioned!! Super hyped
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Post by: VipermanGT2 on Thu, 20 February 2020, 10:03:05
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 20 February 2020, 10:07:09
Post by: Han on Thu, 20 February 2020, 10:13:28
Post by: snurrebassen on Thu, 20 February 2020, 10:16:38
ne wkl renders avail and compatibility with cygnus pcb?No, I'm afraid not! We are not associated or working with the Cygnus creators, we're making our own PCB! Will do WKL and HHKB renders soon!
nice!
since cygnus is most likely not going to happen anymore i'm definitely interested in this one! :D
Edit: It would be nice to be able to select more than one color and plate option in the IC form :)
Done! Thanks for the heads up!
Congrats on the design, I like it so much.
2 questions:
Will it be ALPS compatible? I see that the PCB is, but will you do the plates as well?
Will you include the possibility to do split spacebar?
Thank you and good to hear!
I think we can look into making alps an option for sure, I would be happy to include more folks!
I don't rule it out doing a split spacbar layout an option in the final GB!
Finally new F-row less TKL! YEEEEESSSSSS!!!! :D
Few things - how high is front? Like 18mm or so? I hope not too high.
Would you consider some dark grey or dark blue colors?
Will there be hot-swap option or just solder?
- The front is now 20mm, but i'm gonna try squeeze it down to 18 if I can! It's definitely more optimal to have it around 18mm for sure.
- Yes maybe, very possible!
- For now we're only looking at a solderable PCB, but nothing is certain yet.
A couple of questions after looking at the design.Right now the PCB renders are mostly to visualize the silk design, so yes in the end we are going to support PCB mounted switches as well.
Are those plate mount stabilizer holes or does it support both pcb and plate mount?
If this is a sandwich gasket mount, the top is removable and the weight is internal, why is there a removable plate that screws into the bottom? Why not make the bottom seamless instead?
I went to fill out the interest check form and it only lets me choose one color and one plate material. It would be nice if you could choose more than one color and plate material.
I've gone ahead and looked at multiple keyboard mounting types, trying out different ideas. This one is inspired by the Oxalys mounting system, by Salvun. It was just a mounting system I became very curious about trying. The plate isn't directly screwed onto the bottom, it will be held tightly together by the screws holding the top and bottom together.
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Thank you for all your interest and comments!
Post by: elmo on Thu, 20 February 2020, 10:51:43
another frl tkl surfaces
If you don't like it then how about you just ignore it lmao
And it's not like there are too many boards with this layout around...
Post by: breckstar on Thu, 20 February 2020, 10:57:07
Post by: valniro on Thu, 20 February 2020, 11:01:10
Post by: Starston3 on Thu, 20 February 2020, 11:37:48
Will the plate support split backspace or will it be fixed backspace?
Post by: NoxNoxNox on Thu, 20 February 2020, 12:04:35
Out of curiosity - have you considered making the gap between the main block and the nav cluster/arrow keys wider to match the bezel?
(https://i.imgur.com/LeEGUsI.png)
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Thu, 20 February 2020, 12:51:46
A couple of questions after looking at the design.
Are those plate mount stabilizer holes or does it support both pcb and plate mount?
If this is a sandwich gasket mount, the top is removable and the weight is internal, why is there a removable plate that screws into the bottom? Why not make the bottom seamless instead?
I went to fill out the interest check form and it only lets me choose one color and one plate material. It would be nice if you could choose more than one color and plate material.
I'm definitely into this layout!! Please allow for pcb-mount/screw-in stabilizers. Zeal screw-in stabs are incredible and I put them on every board that I can. Also, I agree that the internal weight isn't necessary. The board will still be plenty solid without a built in weight.
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Thu, 20 February 2020, 13:01:08
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Thu, 20 February 2020, 13:13:37
I like this style of board quite a bit;
Out of curiosity - have you considered making the gap between the main block and the nav cluster/arrow keys wider to match the bezel?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LeEGUsI.png)
I second this. It would also allow for a bit more physical separation of the arrow key cluster, which at least to me is a plus.
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 20 February 2020, 13:39:47
Post by: Missingnumber on Thu, 20 February 2020, 13:47:21
I know it's early, but do you plan to work with any third party retailer on this board? I like this keyboard, but there's too many unfulfilled one-man-show group buys out there. With such a clean and unassuming board, I wish someone would just stock it like KBDFans does with the Tofu boards.
I don't see much value in the designed internal weight though. Either make it visible for aesthetic, or just make it optional to reduce price.
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Thu, 20 February 2020, 14:00:29
I love this layout! It really is perfect. I disagree with those calling for a wider bezel beside the direction keys. I prefer the thinner one as-is.
I know it's early, but do you plan to work with any third party retailer on this board? I like this keyboard, but there's too many unfulfilled one-man-show group buys out there. With such a clean and unassuming board, I wish someone would just stock it like KBDFans does with the Tofu boards.
I don't see much value in the designed internal weight though. Either make it visible for aesthetic, or just make it optional to reduce price.
Definitely agree with points two and three. I'm fine with the bezels either way.
Post by: Zacharius on Thu, 20 February 2020, 14:42:47
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Post by: iaman on Thu, 20 February 2020, 15:47:05
Personal I'd rather have the outer bezel be smaller and keep the form compact. But I'm just one nobody :(idk that there would be space for the gaskets if the outer bezel was smaller?
I'm here for matching the bezel size with the between-clusters space if possible
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 20 February 2020, 16:23:23
That's a good point. Didn't think about that. I still like it thin. Feel like it fits the theme of a slimmer TKLPersonal I'd rather have the outer bezel be smaller and keep the form compact. But I'm just one nobody :(idk that there would be space for the gaskets if the outer bezel was smaller?
I'm here for matching the bezel size with the between-clusters space if possible
Post by: badboy731 on Thu, 20 February 2020, 16:28:36
Post by: macclack on Thu, 20 February 2020, 18:07:00
Post by: JayBeamz on Thu, 20 February 2020, 19:28:30
That removable plate on the bottom tho? If you got it show it off and put it on the keebutt lol.
Looks great either way. Ill def be following this one!
Post by: TomePls on Thu, 20 February 2020, 20:18:37
Post by: victorpre on Fri, 21 February 2020, 01:04:25
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Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Fri, 21 February 2020, 01:16:34
Post by: PikaJoyce on Fri, 21 February 2020, 01:24:56
I like this style of board quite a bit;+1 for this.
Out of curiosity - have you considered making the gap between the main block and the nav cluster/arrow keys wider to match the bezel?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LeEGUsI.png)
Or just in general making the gaps consistent with one another. Otherwise, super interested and this is super cute!
Post by: phinix on Fri, 21 February 2020, 03:06:42
Maybe bottom plate could be seamless as well? Like, even with edges?
Post by: Quinella on Fri, 21 February 2020, 03:53:41
another frl tkl surfaces
If you don't like it then how about you just ignore it lmao
And it's not like there are too many boards with this layout around...
hey idiot where in that sentence did i negatively criticize the board, im quite happy theres more frl tkls coming out because i love the layout.
edit: im hoping this board does well gl with ic
Post by: demonahz on Fri, 21 February 2020, 04:00:41
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 21 February 2020, 04:04:10
Also, while this is a small detail, I've always had better luck with strips of rubber on the bottom of the case rather than small rounds. For example all Rama Works boards that I can think of and the NovelKeys NK65 have two strips of rubber running the length of the keyboard rather than four dots in the corners. While the Keycult No 2 kept four pads rather than 2, it went from dots to strips. I find that the strips give the board more traction and are less likely to accidentally come off. I also personally think strips look significantly better/more premium than the dots, in part I guess because the dots can be purchased at any hardware store. I'm not sure how well this would work with the layout of screws on the bottom of the case, but I thought I'd share.
Thank you for your comment here and on the google form! I have already thought about looking into strips instead of circular bumpers. It wouldn't make sense to have cheap bumpers on a premium board like this, so I'm most definitely gonna look into it!
Oh and screw in stabs support is definitely coming!
I like this style of board quite a bit;
Out of curiosity - have you considered making the gap between the main block and the nav cluster/arrow keys wider to match the bezel?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LeEGUsI.png)
Yes, after a lot of comments on it, I realize i haven't thought about that fact. I'm gonna look into changing it, see how it looks. Will post new pictures once I've worked on it! :)
The plate seems to indicate forced full backspace but the pcb looks like it has the option for split?
Will the plate support split backspace or will it be fixed backspace?
w3bb0 told me he can make this work, so yes. Gonna try make split backspace!
I love this layout! It really is perfect. I disagree with those calling for a wider bezel beside the direction keys. I prefer the thinner one as-is.
I know it's early, but do you plan to work with any third party retailer on this board? I like this keyboard, but there's too many unfulfilled one-man-show group buys out there. With such a clean and unassuming board, I wish someone would just stock it like KBDFans does with the Tofu boards.
I don't see much value in the designed internal weight though. Either make it visible for aesthetic, or just make it optional to reduce price.
Yes, I will most definitely not do this on my own, hahah! I'm already working with mykeyboard.eu with another project, and they will be working with me on this one too.
And yes, going to reconsider the weight. Having an engraved internal weight doesn't make as much sense. Might look into having it as an option and instead engrave the top part somehow.
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 21 February 2020, 04:08:17
I'm just imagining the WKL version
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Soon you won't have to imagine it! Gonna do some more renders of alternative layouts next week.
another frl tkl surfaces
If you don't like it then how about you just ignore it lmao
And it's not like there are too many boards with this layout around...
hey idiot where in that sentence did i negatively criticize the board, im quite happy theres more frl tkls coming out because i love the layout.
edit: im hoping this board does well gl with ic
thank you, glad to hear that. And i agree. I'm kinda surprised we don't have more of this layout.
Post by: victorpre on Fri, 21 February 2020, 04:15:42
If we can achieve WKL AND split spacebar (as I saw it's an idea on the IC) I'll just have to throw my money at youI'm just imagining the WKL version
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Soon you won't have to imagine it! Gonna do some more renders of alternative layouts next week.another frl tkl surfaces
If you don't like it then how about you just ignore it lmao
And it's not like there are too many boards with this layout around...
hey idiot where in that sentence did i negatively criticize the board, im quite happy theres more frl tkls coming out because i love the layout.
edit: im hoping this board does well gl with ic
thank you, glad to hear that. And i agree. I'm kinda surprised we don't have more of this layout.
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Post by: PocketAces on Fri, 21 February 2020, 07:36:20
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Post by: chriszhu on Fri, 21 February 2020, 08:36:28
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Post by: lunr on Fri, 21 February 2020, 08:52:36
Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 21 February 2020, 08:58:54
Im so dowwwn, hope this isn't a FCFS or have limited numbersFeel like that's just the way it has to be these days with the massive influx of people. Only a couple of boards as or late have been open ended group buys
Post by: waymon on Fri, 21 February 2020, 09:28:32
Post by: Jaltr on Fri, 21 February 2020, 09:41:37
Post by: hkiri on Fri, 21 February 2020, 13:08:46
definitely add wkl version.
This.
Post by: ptrick3 on Fri, 21 February 2020, 13:12:47
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Fri, 21 February 2020, 13:32:26
definitely add wkl version.
This.
If you add a wkl version, definitely keep the regular version. I know, people are so hard to please. ;)
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 21 February 2020, 14:14:37
Interested! Just a note, it looks like the discord link is broken.Thanks for the heads up! I apparently set it to expire after one day. Fixed now!
definitely add wkl version.
This.
If you add a wkl version, definitely keep the regular version. I know, people are so hard to please. ;)
Looking into making a 6.25u WKL version, so that I can put it on the same plate as the standard layout.
Post by: FRANCO on Fri, 21 February 2020, 15:08:48
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Post by: Agpatel on Sun, 23 February 2020, 09:05:00
Post by: zekth on Sun, 23 February 2020, 09:30:56
Post by: Findecanor on Sun, 23 February 2020, 10:55:24
Is 1.5mm PC plate durable enough?
Designed in Norway, and no ISO support?! No support for stepped Caps Lock?!
I'm happy to see that the USB port is broken out to a separate PCB.
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 23 February 2020, 11:02:30
Post by: MajorKoos on Sun, 23 February 2020, 12:17:29
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 23 February 2020, 12:30:55
FKL WKL TKL > FKL TKLUh. Sure?
Post by: DrHigsby on Sun, 23 February 2020, 13:16:45
Edit: To weigh in on the win key debate; I think having WKL as an option would be cool, but I personally dislike how it splits apart the row.
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Sun, 23 February 2020, 23:35:21
FKL WKL TKL > FKL TKLUh. Sure?
Forgive me. 'WKL' and 'TKL' I know. What does FKL stand for?
Post by: Randalljai on Mon, 24 February 2020, 00:38:28
FKL WKL TKL > FKL TKLUh. Sure?
Forgive me. 'WKL' and 'TKL' I know. What does FKL stand for?
frow keyless i guess? that's how i interpret it
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Mon, 24 February 2020, 01:00:58
FKL WKL TKL > FKL TKLUh. Sure?
Forgive me. 'WKL' and 'TKL' I know. What does FKL stand for?
frow keyless i guess? that's how i interpret it
Oh duh. My bad. That seems obvious in retrospect.
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 24 February 2020, 01:07:00
Eh. 70% is such a rare category. I like this description better. Most 70% I've seen scrunch everything together. This def has the TKL shape. I like it as a describer.
I just realized this! Gonna change it for the GB at least, sounds so much better.
IC filled out! I really really really like this.Thank you for filling it out! <3
Edit: To weigh in on the win key debate; I think having WKL as an option would be cool, but I personally dislike how it splits apart the row.
Post by: dr_unconscionable on Mon, 24 February 2020, 01:25:16
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 24 February 2020, 03:26:00
Haha. Yeah. My response was just because WKL is such a personal preference and way more subjective. Don't think there's any definitive reasoning why WKL would be better. It's not like it significantly saves more space. It just removes 2 buttons.FKL WKL TKL > FKL TKLUh. Sure?
Forgive me. 'WKL' and 'TKL' I know. What does FKL stand for?
frow keyless i guess? that's how i interpret it
Oh duh. My bad. That seems obvious in retrospect.
Post by: frob on Mon, 24 February 2020, 04:29:12
If so, I'm definitely interested.
Post by: Migi on Mon, 24 February 2020, 08:50:24
...
As for layout compatibility, in the first run with prototypes we're only looking at standard ANSI and ISO layouts.
...
Post by: MajorKoos on Mon, 24 February 2020, 08:51:24
Haha. Yeah. My response was just because WKL is such a personal preference and way more subjective. Don't think there's any definitive reasoning why WKL would be better. It's not like it significantly saves more space. It just removes 2 buttons.FKL WKL TKL > FKL TKLUh. Sure?
Forgive me. 'WKL' and 'TKL' I know. What does FKL stand for?
frow keyless i guess? that's how i interpret it
Oh duh. My bad. That seems obvious in retrospect.
I also prefer winkey, but it's less of a mouthful to pronounce.
Post by: snurrebassen on Thu, 27 February 2020, 05:37:14
As of now I've rebuilt the case from scratch, for the sake of cleaning up my files and making edits easier. I started the design not really knowing how it would end up, and so I worked in a way which turned out quite messy and edits were pretty complicated to make. I made up everything from scratch again, starting from the newly made plate design, with all the layouts incorporated into one plate.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/679988321157382168/682319575463100442/unknown.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/zxcCWoa.jpg)
This plate will support:
- ANSI
- ISO
- Tsangan (WKL)
- Split spacebar
- Split backspace
The hotswap PCB will only be available in ANSI and ISO since the hotswap pockets take up a lot of space on the PCB and can't be overlapped.
Note: If you do notice something wrong with my plate/layout logic do let me know. I'm primarily an ANSI user myself so I'm not too familiar with other layouts.
Other updates:
- Front height adjusted to 17mm
- Rubber legs will be strips, not standard circular bumpers
- HHKB top unfortunately ruled out in the first round, but high possibilities that it will be included in a future run if things go well!
- WKL alternative tops will be an option
I think I also will change the weight to the outside of the bottom, exposed with the logo engraved. No fancy peeking through or merging of parts though. The screws will be hidden on the inside of the case.
The weight will be an option you can opt out of for a slightly cheaper case.
Things still in process:
- Back design, trying out various changes to make it look a little bit more interesting. If it doesn't work, I'll go with the clean design as is.
- Indicator LEDs design/look, as well as badge/name engraved on the top.
- Room for foam/dampening on the inside.
Thank you so much for your kind words and support!! I'm sorry if I haven't replied to your comment, I try to answer the ones that I can. Just be persistent if you have any questions that go unanswered, and you can also still join my discord server (https://discord.gg/7avjFdA) dedicated to this project!
- snurrebassen/seb
Post by: phinix on Thu, 27 February 2020, 07:12:45
Hopefully you will be able to run this GB this year, like maybe Q2-3, to get it done and delivered by Q4.
Post by: yhehdgjs on Thu, 27 February 2020, 07:41:55
Would like to see with some badge on the board rather than the names.
Post by: Joeni on Thu, 27 February 2020, 08:24:08
I love the look of this, having just the 60% keys with the nav and arrow clusters makes it look very sleek and tidy.
Post by: tuxkey on Thu, 27 February 2020, 15:42:35
I love this layout! It really is perfect. I disagree with those calling for a wider bezel beside the direction keys. I prefer the thinner one as-is.
I know it's early, but do you plan to work with any third party retailer on this board? I like this keyboard, but there's too many unfulfilled one-man-show group buys out there. With such a clean and unassuming board, I wish someone would just stock it like KBDFans does with the Tofu boards.
I don't see much value in the designed internal weight though. Either make it visible for aesthetic, or just make it optional to reduce price.Definitely agree with points two and three. I'm fine with the bezels either way.
One of my first thoughts was how would it look with a bit more space between the arrow cluster say same thickness as the bezels.
Just out of curiosity..
but the one thing i would like to see is this board at KBDfans.. or at least a eu proxy..
for the weight i would save that €€ so it's more affordable to all of us.
You made such a clean design really good looking now keep the price as low as you can without sacrificing to much..
Good luck and my compliments on the design.. i'm truly impressed
Post by: tuxkey on Thu, 27 February 2020, 16:11:33
And when i ask myself which one would you want to see on your desk .. ?? it's this one..
But i do have to admit i like the Hiney side cut-outs or what you might call those..
Makes it easier to grab the board..still really nice board.. and that's coming from a 65% addict..
Post by: treeleaf64 on Thu, 27 February 2020, 16:17:22
Post by: YoRHannya on Thu, 27 February 2020, 23:55:17
Interested in seeing what the final colors chosen will be, too.
Post by: d.caminero on Fri, 28 February 2020, 05:15:28
Reviewing comments and answers on the IC, and I'm overwhelmed with the positive responses! I'm so excited to hear that a lot of people are happy to see this layout being made. I'm really passionate about making this keyboard work well and sound beautiful and I'm very eager to get started prototyping.
As of now I've rebuilt the case from scratch, for the sake of cleaning up my files and making edits easier. I started the design not really knowing how it would end up, and so I worked in a way which turned out quite messy and edits were pretty complicated to make. I made up everything from scratch again, starting from the newly made plate design, with all the layouts incorporated into one plate.Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/679988321157382168/682319575463100442/unknown.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zxcCWoa.jpg)
This plate will support:
- ANSI
- ISO
- Tsangan (WKL)
- Split spacebar
- Split backspace
The hotswap PCB will only be available in ANSI and ISO since the hotswap pockets take up a lot of space on the PCB and can't be overlapped.
Note: If you do notice something wrong with my plate/layout logic do let me know. I'm primarily an ANSI user myself so I'm not too familiar with other layouts.
Other updates:
- Front height adjusted to 17mm
- Rubber legs will be strips, not standard circular bumpers
- HHKB top unfortunately ruled out in the first round, but high possibilities that it will be included in a future run if things go well!
- WKL alternative tops will be an option
I think I also will change the weight to the outside of the bottom, exposed with the logo engraved. No fancy peeking through or merging of parts though. The screws will be hidden on the inside of the case.
The weight will be an option you can opt out of for a slightly cheaper case.
Things still in process:
- Back design, trying out various changes to make it look a little bit more interesting. If it doesn't work, I'll go with the clean design as is.
- Indicator LEDs design/look, as well as badge/name engraved on the top.
- Room for foam/dampening on the inside.
Thank you so much for your kind words and support!! I'm sorry if I haven't replied to your comment, I try to answer the ones that I can. Just be persistent if you have any questions that go unanswered, and you can also still join my discord server (https://discord.gg/7avjFdA) dedicated to this project!
- snurrebassen/seb
Very good job indeed with the plate and layouts.
You should need to consider making a different plate for alps, (I personally wouldn't mind to pay extra for that) because the switch holes bigger than 1u do not work properly with ALPS.
ALPS switches clip onto the corners, and when you extend the hole to allow for different places (for example in the split backspace option) the switches only have 2 corners to clip onto, and they end up crooked. The holes for the spacebars with stabs to them are fine enough although you should know that the switch has nothing to support itself there, so it's like "PCB mount" in there. Keeping the hole short in the vertical axis provides alignment, so those positions are not an issue for me.
Summing it up, it would be best if you made a different plate for alps or at least cut the small inside corners in places where switches would only support on one side. If you need I can give you more info and examples via PM :)
Post by: noorejji on Fri, 28 February 2020, 10:58:58
Post by: ironchefmichi on Fri, 28 February 2020, 11:55:11
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 28 February 2020, 13:33:50
Reviewing comments and answers on the IC, and I'm overwhelmed with the positive responses! I'm so excited to hear that a lot of people are happy to see this layout being made. I'm really passionate about making this keyboard work well and sound beautiful and I'm very eager to get started prototyping.
As of now I've rebuilt the case from scratch, for the sake of cleaning up my files and making edits easier. I started the design not really knowing how it would end up, and so I worked in a way which turned out quite messy and edits were pretty complicated to make. I made up everything from scratch again, starting from the newly made plate design, with all the layouts incorporated into one plate.Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/679988321157382168/682319575463100442/unknown.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zxcCWoa.jpg)
This plate will support:
- ANSI
- ISO
- Tsangan (WKL)
- Split spacebar
- Split backspace
The hotswap PCB will only be available in ANSI and ISO since the hotswap pockets take up a lot of space on the PCB and can't be overlapped.
Note: If you do notice something wrong with my plate/layout logic do let me know. I'm primarily an ANSI user myself so I'm not too familiar with other layouts.
Other updates:
- Front height adjusted to 17mm
- Rubber legs will be strips, not standard circular bumpers
- HHKB top unfortunately ruled out in the first round, but high possibilities that it will be included in a future run if things go well!
- WKL alternative tops will be an option
I think I also will change the weight to the outside of the bottom, exposed with the logo engraved. No fancy peeking through or merging of parts though. The screws will be hidden on the inside of the case.
The weight will be an option you can opt out of for a slightly cheaper case.
Things still in process:
- Back design, trying out various changes to make it look a little bit more interesting. If it doesn't work, I'll go with the clean design as is.
- Indicator LEDs design/look, as well as badge/name engraved on the top.
- Room for foam/dampening on the inside.
Thank you so much for your kind words and support!! I'm sorry if I haven't replied to your comment, I try to answer the ones that I can. Just be persistent if you have any questions that go unanswered, and you can also still join my discord server (https://discord.gg/7avjFdA) dedicated to this project!
- snurrebassen/seb
Very good job indeed with the plate and layouts.
You should need to consider making a different plate for alps, (I personally wouldn't mind to pay extra for that) because the switch holes bigger than 1u do not work properly with ALPS.
ALPS switches clip onto the corners, and when you extend the hole to allow for different places (for example in the split backspace option) the switches only have 2 corners to clip onto, and they end up crooked. The holes for the spacebars with stabs to them are fine enough although you should know that the switch has nothing to support itself there, so it's like "PCB mount" in there. Keeping the hole short in the vertical axis provides alignment, so those positions are not an issue for me.
Summing it up, it would be best if you made a different plate for alps or at least cut the small inside corners in places where switches would only support on one side. If you need I can give you more info and examples via PM :)
I see, i haven’t thought of that, mostly because I haven’t used alps switches yet! It makes sense too, seeing as most buyers most likely use MX to have separate plates, especially since plates aren’t exactly cheaper to produce the more
plates you make, unless you manufacture them
differently. Good input!
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Post by: kaisn on Fri, 28 February 2020, 14:18:21
Great design!
Post by: 1corazon on Sat, 29 February 2020, 04:58:48
Post by: KZzzz on Sun, 01 March 2020, 01:50:21
Post by: snurrebassen on Sun, 01 March 2020, 07:21:12
I love this so much, especially that it is something no one ever seen before! Just a thought though, I kinda like thinner outer bezels, makes the board even cleaner. And, can you maybe fit some sort of logo between the key clusters on the right? Thought it would look great! External weight would also look great, I have to agree.
Thank you for your comment and support! Unfortunately due to the mounting, the outer bezels has to be rather thick, since it has to make space for the screws as well as the whole bottom wall. It's part of the whole design at this point :)
Aside from that I'm working on a logo to put on the top part, as well as moving the weight to the external side, but keeping the screws on the inside!
Post by: FRANCO on Sun, 01 March 2020, 08:52:46
I love this so much, especially that it is something no one ever seen before! Just a thought though, I kinda like thinner outer bezels, makes the board even cleaner. And, can you maybe fit some sort of logo between the key clusters on the right? Thought it would look great! External weight would also look great, I have to agree.
Thank you for your comment and support! Unfortunately due to the mounting, the outer bezels has to be rather thick, since it has to make space for the screws as well as the whole bottom wall. It's part of the whole design at this point :)
Aside from that I'm working on a logo to put on the top part, as well as moving the weight to the external side, but keeping the screws on the inside!
The thicc-er the bezel, the better =)
Post by: KZzzz on Sun, 01 March 2020, 10:45:49
Post by: d.caminero on Sun, 01 March 2020, 13:56:26
I see, i haven’t thought of that, mostly because I haven’t used alps switches yet! It makes sense too, seeing as most buyers most likely use MX to have separate plates, especially since plates aren’t exactly cheaper to produce the more
plates you make, unless you manufacture them
differently. Good input!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You can always offer cheaper materials for ALPS plates, or, as I said, I'd pay a bit more to have a proper plate. As I said, if you need some help regarding that just hit me up via PM and I'll give you an insight.
Post by: KEYGEM on Sun, 01 March 2020, 14:14:49
Post by: samuelcc on Sun, 01 March 2020, 16:25:30
It is nice to see those great feature combined together.
Hope the group buy is going to be unlimited tho..
Post by: VXQN on Mon, 02 March 2020, 03:40:36
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 02 March 2020, 04:19:03
Is there any chance you could add the capability to use 2.25 - 1.25 - 2.75 split space, as well as the current 2.75 - 1.25 - 2.25 split? I prefer having the larger key on the right as I basically only use my right thumb to hit space.As a split spacebar user, is this the most common layout? I'd rather not end up having a PCB full of holes, but I do want to include split spacebar users, but hopefully try to only stick to one version of it, hopefully the one most commonly used/requested. I could swap them around in that case.
I get that users of split spacebar layouts already are pretty particular about their setup and tend to have small variations to tailor their exact style of typing, so it's hard to find a good balance between including a variety of layouts but at the same time maintaining the integrity of the original board. Hopefully I won't alienate too many possible buyers!
Post by: ironchefmichi on Mon, 02 March 2020, 11:57:20
I would also prefer 2.25 - 1.25 - 2.75Is there any chance you could add the capability to use 2.25 - 1.25 - 2.75 split space, as well as the current 2.75 - 1.25 - 2.25 split? I prefer having the larger key on the right as I basically only use my right thumb to hit space.As a split spacebar user, is this the most common layout? I'd rather not end up having a PCB full of holes, but I do want to include split spacebar users, but hopefully try to only stick to one version of it, hopefully the one most commonly used/requested. I could swap them around in that case.
I get that users of split spacebar layouts already are pretty particular about their setup and tend to have small variations to tailor their exact style of typing, so it's hard to find a good balance between including a variety of layouts but at the same time maintaining the integrity of the original board. Hopefully I won't alienate too many possible buyers!
Post by: 1corazon on Tue, 03 March 2020, 20:45:12
Can we have the USB connection to the far left of the back case and not in the middle ?
Is this possible ? Would love to see the USB connection to back but left hand side.
Kind regards
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Tue, 03 March 2020, 20:55:58
Just a question,
Can we have the USB connection to the far left of the back case and not in the middle ?
Is this possible ? Would love to see the USB connection to back but left hand side.
Kind regards
Why? Out of curiosity? Is this because it would work better for your setup or because you’d like the board to be cheaper by placing the connector on the main pcb rather than a daughter board?
Post by: 1corazon on Tue, 03 March 2020, 21:01:27
It more for aesthetic reasons, i feel more comfortable with the USB on the left hand side and not in the middle.
If it makes for the board to be cheaper thats even better but i don't mind if the additional cost goes to the maker of the board.
Post by: zakatak on Wed, 04 March 2020, 00:11:00
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 04 March 2020, 01:38:10
Hi,
It more for aesthetic reasons, i feel more comfortable with the USB on the left hand side and not in the middle.
If it makes for the board to be cheaper thats even better but i don't mind if the additional cost goes to the maker of the board.
The main reason for doing a daughterboard is to make the USB port tighter and more tailored to the case. Having an on board USB port is cheaper and simpler in production, but limited in terms of fitting the case! Personally I really like the look of the cable being centered but it would definitely be interesting to try having a slightly off centered port, like the good old IBMs :-\
Thanks for bringing it up!
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 04 March 2020, 01:39:20
This board is clean af! What price range are you aiming for?
$300-400 is what I'm hoping for! Currently quoting it from one factory, but will check out another one to compare!
Post by: phinix on Wed, 04 March 2020, 04:09:52
This board is clean af! What price range are you aiming for?
$300-400 is what I'm hoping for! Currently quoting it from one factory, but will check out another one to compare!
$300-350 would be perfect. We'll see :thumb:
Post by: VXQN on Wed, 04 March 2020, 10:16:09
Is there any chance you could add the capability to use 2.25 - 1.25 - 2.75 split space, as well as the current 2.75 - 1.25 - 2.25 split? I prefer having the larger key on the right as I basically only use my right thumb to hit space.As a split spacebar user, is this the most common layout? I'd rather not end up having a PCB full of holes, but I do want to include split spacebar users, but hopefully try to only stick to one version of it, hopefully the one most commonly used/requested. I could swap them around in that case.
I get that users of split spacebar layouts already are pretty particular about their setup and tend to have small variations to tailor their exact style of typing, so it's hard to find a good balance between including a variety of layouts but at the same time maintaining the integrity of the original board. Hopefully I won't alienate too many possible buyers!
I can't speak definitively, but I think it's generally a 50/50 split! I searched for "split spacebar GMK" on google images and didn't see a clear winner for either way.
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Thu, 05 March 2020, 00:03:54
Post by: phinix on Thu, 05 March 2020, 02:56:40
It keeps TKL layout, when cutting the size of it to minimum without moving any of the clusters.
Then materials, height, angle. It all going in a very good direction. If it gets rgb leds and maybe even hotswap, it will be a perfection.
If it comes to name/badge - I wouldn't put it on top, I would go with back of it, or bottom.
Post by: snurrebassen on Thu, 05 March 2020, 03:46:37
I have very high hopes in this board, could be my second end game (after Novatouched Realforce).
It keeps TKL layout, when cutting the size of it to minimum without moving any of the clusters.
Then materials, height, angle. It all going in a very good direction. If it gets rgb leds and maybe even hotswap, it will be a perfection.
If it comes to name/badge - I wouldn't put it on top, I would go with back of it, or bottom.
Thank you, I'm glad to hear this!
Hotswap ANSI and ISO will most likely be done. We're considering adding RGB, depending on demand. I think we will do a separate PCB form just to collect general data for the full production of the PCBs.
In terms of logo engraving on the top, I will try to make it an option, same as the weight :) Some people seem to want a clean top and I totally understand that!
Post by: iaman on Thu, 05 March 2020, 07:34:45
Hotswap ANSI and ISO will most likely be done. We're considering adding RGB, depending on demand. I think we will do a separate PCB form just to collect general data for the full production of the PCBs.🙌🙌🙌 bless
Post by: Charlesxvi on Fri, 06 March 2020, 00:05:40
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 06 March 2020, 03:19:59
Post by: Snapple on Fri, 06 March 2020, 06:15:16
Hotswap ANSI and ISO will most likely be done. We're considering adding RGB, depending on demand. I think we will do a separate PCB form just to collect general data for the full production of the PCBs.Great! :thumb:
Post by: thornkin on Sat, 07 March 2020, 00:38:06
Post by: phinix on Sat, 07 March 2020, 13:31:23
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 09 March 2020, 02:22:19
The weight will be optional, if you prefer a clean outside.
(https://i.imgur.com/g2E5Sgv.jpg)
The layouts available (additional to standard ANSI) are:
ISO
(https://i.imgur.com/XAVLZLx.jpg)
WKL
(https://i.imgur.com/zlBLGhg.jpg)
Tsangan
(https://i.imgur.com/2OQXUVL.jpg)
Split Spacebar
(https://i.imgur.com/qUMGTS0.jpg)
Split Backspace
(https://i.imgur.com/ko9NfXa.jpg)
If all goes well, I will be starting the prototyping this week. Stay tuned :)
Post by: Erigorin on Mon, 09 March 2020, 02:40:45
ISO a bit lower and to the right
WKL & Tsangan are the same
Split spacebar a lot lower
Split backspace a bit lower
But besides this, I really like the improved design! Love the new rubber feet strips!
Post by: phinix on Mon, 09 March 2020, 03:14:23
Post by: dr_unconscionable on Mon, 09 March 2020, 06:20:17
Post by: phinix on Mon, 09 March 2020, 06:41:43
Can we have a side rendering? So we could see the whole profile.
Post by: hottrout on Mon, 09 March 2020, 07:13:42
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 09 March 2020, 07:20:00
(https://i.imgur.com/5bYJ1y3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tubLhtC.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/g6HdMdR.jpg)
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Mon, 09 March 2020, 10:36:30
Post by: FRANCO on Mon, 09 March 2020, 10:39:53
Post by: PheonixStarr on Mon, 09 March 2020, 14:01:07
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 09 March 2020, 15:45:34
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 09 March 2020, 15:53:53
This is a layout that I could see myself using, especially with a split backspace. I would prefer an external weight over an internal one, though.It is on the outside of the bottom. Post is a couple up.
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 09 March 2020, 19:15:47
This is a layout that I could see myself using, especially with a split backspace. I would prefer an external weight over an internal one, though.It is on the outside of the bottom. Post is a couple up.
Right, my bad for missing that. Good to hear, thanks!
Post by: noorejji on Wed, 11 March 2020, 14:45:54
Post by: nathanchere on Wed, 11 March 2020, 15:56:33
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 11 March 2020, 17:22:19
I was hoping against hope that if WKL was an option that HHKB-style blockers would make the cut too :( Oh well. Still looks really good.
Might be just me, but I think HHKB blockers would look weird on this kind of layout.
Post by: lunr on Wed, 11 March 2020, 17:30:40
I was hoping against hope that if WKL was an option that HHKB-style blockers would make the cut too :( Oh well. Still looks really good.
Might be just me, but I think HHKB blockers would look weird on this kind of layout.
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 11 March 2020, 17:50:53
looks ok. take a look at the duck blackbird.
Yeah, it came to mind. I don't like it :D
Post by: ramnes on Wed, 11 March 2020, 18:04:37
Post by: Zeelobby on Wed, 11 March 2020, 19:07:55
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Wed, 11 March 2020, 23:28:24
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Thu, 12 March 2020, 02:26:19
Post by: ramnes on Thu, 12 March 2020, 05:38:53
Post by: snurrebassen on Thu, 12 March 2020, 09:11:27
I feel that the brass weight engraving reminds the underside of the Moon (http://imgur.com/09NZOTJ.jpg) a tad too much :(
I get what you mean. There is apparently another board called Eclipse from a Korean site that someone else showed me, with the same sort of look of the logo:
(https://i.imgur.com/M4fpfko.png)
https://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=mechanicalkeyboard&no=466827 (https://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=mechanicalkeyboard&no=466827)
However, a diagram of moons and eclipses is widely used a lot because it looks pretty. It's not a specifically designed logo or includes any known trademarks and the design of this weight was done entirely inspired by pictures of eclipses, from scratch.
Hopefully the layouts available and the overall mounting design is what makes the keyboard unique, and not the name/ornaments on it!
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 12 March 2020, 09:27:27
Plus yours honestly looks better than either of those imo. Lol.I feel that the brass weight engraving reminds the underside of the Moon (http://imgur.com/09NZOTJ.jpg) a tad too much :(
I get what you mean. There is apparently another board called Eclipse from a Korean site that someone else showed me, with the same sort of look of the logo:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/M4fpfko.png)
https://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=mechanicalkeyboard&no=466827 (https://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=mechanicalkeyboard&no=466827)
However, a diagram of moons and eclipses is widely used a lot because it looks pretty. It's not a specifically designed logo or includes any known trademarks and the design of this weight was done entirely inspired by pictures of eclipses, from scratch.
Hopefully the layouts available and the overall mounting design is what makes the keyboard unique, and not the name/ornaments on it!
That said, I'd still love to see some sun flare or moon cratering depending on which kind of eclipse it is.
Post by: fishbiscuit13 on Thu, 12 March 2020, 10:23:26
Post by: SryImBadAtNaming on Thu, 12 March 2020, 11:59:45
Post by: SpaceIncorporated on Thu, 12 March 2020, 21:10:13
Post by: 1corazon on Mon, 16 March 2020, 17:00:01
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Mon, 16 March 2020, 19:28:48
Post by: Glychd on Tue, 17 March 2020, 05:34:26
Post by: KMPLSV on Thu, 19 March 2020, 23:54:03
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 20 March 2020, 03:29:57
Any specific plans for the gasket material at this time? Poron seems like the hot material at the moment, but I'll admit I'm not a materials engineer and don't fully understand it.
Shoot! I thought I replied to you, I must have left a draft somewhere then.
I've been looking into different types of materials. I want to make assembly as simple as possible so I'm for the prototype I'm gonna try 3M silicone pads, which will be die cut to fit the case, and will already have an adhesive surface so every customer will assemble these themselves.
If the quality doesn't meet up with what I'm after, I'm gonna try silicone molded pads, which are expensive but will feel way more premium, and will have a smoother look, as you can shape them however you want. Attaching them to the case is another thing to think about though, since there are about 32 gaskets per case!
Post by: Exemplar on Fri, 20 March 2020, 04:32:45
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 20 March 2020, 04:36:54
Great looking board. I personally dont like plate-mount stabs, but if that is changed, this would be a very easy buy for me. Great work.Thank you!
I'm a big user of screw in stabilizers myself so the plate is designed to fit both plate mount stabs and screw-in stabs :)
At least it should fit both....prototype will show!
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Fri, 20 March 2020, 17:49:14
I am also curious about doing the strips in the other direction. I’ve always seen them running the length of the board left to right rather than front to back. It looks like the screw holes in this design might get in the way of that though. I think having strips running front to back should still give better traction than round dots, and they will still be less likely to accidentally come off.
I take back what I said. I just remembered that the Bauer has the rubber strip feet running front to back rather than left to right, and there didn't seem to be any problems with it when I checked out the proto at a meetup. Front to back is probably better for this board since left to right would interfere with the screws, and the strips would have to be placed too far in, reducing stability.
Great looking board. I personally dont like plate-mount stabs, but if that is changed, this would be a very easy buy for me. Great work.Thank you!
I'm a big user of screw in stabilizers myself so the plate is designed to fit both plate mount stabs and screw-in stabs :)
At least it should fit both....prototype will show!
+1 for screw-in stabs. Zeal's are incredible.
Any specific plans for the gasket material at this time? Poron seems like the hot material at the moment, but I'll admit I'm not a materials engineer and don't fully understand it.
Shoot! I thought I replied to you, I must have left a draft somewhere then.
I've been looking into different types of materials. I want to make assembly as simple as possible so I'm for the prototype I'm gonna try 3M silicone pads, which will be die cut to fit the case, and will already have an adhesive surface so every customer will assemble these themselves.
If the quality doesn't meet up with what I'm after, I'm gonna try silicone molded pads, which are expensive but will feel way more premium, and will have a smoother look, as you can shape them however you want. Attaching them to the case is another thing to think about though, since there are about 32 gaskets per case!
Haha no problem; thanks for the reply! And sounds good! I trust your judgement for the material. Regarding attaching the gaskets, having customers do it definitely seems like the way to go. Maybe include a couple extra though in case of accidents?
Also hope everyone is staying safe and healthy in these trying times. Remember to periodically sanitize your keycaps!
Post by: noorejji on Tue, 24 March 2020, 12:42:34
Post by: Darthbaggins on Tue, 24 March 2020, 20:54:37
Post by: TacoTypes on Wed, 25 March 2020, 09:48:52
Love this layout much more than 65% and traditional TKL. I really hope we can get this bad boy out of IC and into GB.
My only special request is that the hot-swap stays! <3
Post by: snurrebassen on Thu, 26 March 2020, 06:39:11
Will you offer to sell directly in Norway, or only through vendors?I don't have the experience nor contacts in Norway to sell this here. If I did, i definitely would, but Mykeyboard usually offers a refund for the VAT, so it should be fine :)
Now this sparked my interest, I've wanted a 65 but this hits all my happy places with its design.Thank you, good to hear!!
This is honestly exactly what I was looking for. I hope it lands somewhere in my price range...Love to hear this. I've always felt that 65% layouts are incomplete in a way. There is something "asymmetrical" about it, which is why I wanted to do something like this instead.
Love this layout much more than 65% and traditional TKL. I really hope we can get this bad boy out of IC and into GB.
My only special request is that the hot-swap stays! <3
Currently we have ordered the prototypes of each option this case will come in. Once the prototypes have been checked and worked with, this will be moved swiftly into GB :)
Post by: noorejji on Thu, 26 March 2020, 06:49:37
I understand. I hope the Norwegian kroner will have recovered in time for the GB, I’m not joining any current GB’s because of it.Will you offer to sell directly in Norway, or only through vendors?I don't have the experience nor contacts in Norway to sell this here. If I did, i definitely would, but Mykeyboard usually offers a refund for the VAT, so it should be fine :)
Post by: sendpie on Fri, 27 March 2020, 13:23:15
Post by: Tobu on Fri, 27 March 2020, 13:49:04
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 27 March 2020, 13:51:35
Interested to hearing how this sounds. Any timeline on a prototype?No definite timeline yet. Prototypes are ordered though, and shouldn’t be more than a few weeks to produce :) I’m planning on streaming the build and testing of it, i will post info on this once I know more!
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Post by: dPaK on Fri, 27 March 2020, 15:34:11
Interested to hearing how this sounds. Any timeline on a prototype?No definite timeline yet. Prototypes are ordered though, and shouldn’t be more than a few weeks to produce :) I’m planning on streaming the build and testing of it, i will post info on this once I know more!
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I'm in with this keyboard, I was looking for some tkl but have seen nothing special lately, but Eclipse looks beautiful and I want it. I'm looking towards this streaming build, it will be awesome. Good work dude.
Post by: KZzzz on Sat, 28 March 2020, 15:45:09
BTW, just a thought: what if the weight is not centered of the whole board but instead centered around the alphanumeric cluster (the 60% portion of the board)? I know this might be too late of a suggestion since you already ordered a prototype.
Anyway, thank you for doing all this, the community need more out-of-the-box ideas such as this one!
Post by: subluxe on Sat, 28 March 2020, 16:05:07
Post by: dPaK on Sat, 28 March 2020, 18:33:37
Post by: dannyny on Sat, 28 March 2020, 23:19:55
Post by: Sagan on Mon, 30 March 2020, 01:11:58
Post by: doralikesmath on Mon, 30 March 2020, 06:10:45
Post by: snurrebassen on Thu, 02 April 2020, 08:20:03
The prototypes is officially in production now, so stay tuned :) :thumb:
Post by: mckeown1504 on Thu, 02 April 2020, 12:51:15
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 02 April 2020, 18:48:56
Thank you all so much for your kind words, I am pleasantly overwhelmed!Excited for that proto
The prototypes is officially in production now, so stay tuned :) :thumb:
Post by: TheInverseKey on Thu, 02 April 2020, 20:48:56
I would like ALPS PCB option if it can be done. I could buy both the regular and alps version to try
Alps would be amazing!
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 03 April 2020, 00:57:31
I would like ALPS PCB option if it can be done. I could buy both the regular and alps version to try
Alps would be amazing!
I would like ALPS PCB option if it can be done. I could buy both the regular and alps version to try
The PCB will have alps support, and I'm gonna work on making a separate alps PCB :)
No 100% solid promises yet though but I'm gonna try!
Post by: DoctorNunu on Fri, 03 April 2020, 01:24:15
Post by: holer on Fri, 03 April 2020, 08:11:48
ISO all the way!
Post by: Glychd on Sat, 04 April 2020, 06:45:01
Post by: caonv on Sat, 04 April 2020, 08:08:15
Thank you all so much for your kind words, I am pleasantly overwhelmed!
The prototypes is officially in production now, so stay tuned :) :thumb:
If the price for the basic kit is under $350, count me in for a WKL version :-\
Post by: Module on Sat, 04 April 2020, 09:41:15
Post by: dannyny on Sat, 04 April 2020, 20:37:47
Post by: celta on Sat, 04 April 2020, 20:44:01
Post by: pleinolijf on Sun, 05 April 2020, 07:58:46
Post by: d.caminero on Sun, 05 April 2020, 09:17:28
Post by: snurrebassen on Tue, 14 April 2020, 09:06:28
The case is still in production, the easter holidays came up just after I sent the files off, so it's being programmed right now.
If you could all fill out this form (https://forms.gle/Notwub4qgrSrRUeH8/), specifically for the PCB and layout options it would be a great help to gauge our final options for the PCBs!
Meanwhile I'm working on general designs for the packaging/general branding look :)
Thank you all for your continued support!!
Stay tuned ;D
Post by: SteffeMK on Tue, 14 April 2020, 09:39:43
Hello all! I hope you enjoyed your easter holidays as much as you could, and I hope you are doing well :)
The case is still in production, the easter holidays came up just after I sent the files off, so it's being programmed right now.
If you could all fill out this form (https://forms.gle/Notwub4qgrSrRUeH8/), specifically for the PCB and layout options it would be a great help to gauge our final options for the PCBs!
Meanwhile I'm working on general designs for the packaging/general branding look :)
Thank you all for your continued support!!
Stay tuned ;D
Filled in, really like this layout!
Post by: hottrout on Tue, 14 April 2020, 11:31:11
Post by: DrHigsby on Tue, 14 April 2020, 11:35:36
Post by: iaman on Tue, 14 April 2020, 20:14:00
Post by: TopreMoon on Tue, 14 April 2020, 22:01:41
Post by: Vadurr on Wed, 15 April 2020, 00:00:08
Post by: TheInverseKey on Wed, 15 April 2020, 09:44:29
Count me in for 1 of these. Do you know what layout the alps plate would support? WKL support would be awesome for the alps plate.
I agree, AT101 layout with blockers would be preferred if possible.
Post by: Tree14 on Thu, 23 April 2020, 06:28:12
Post by: shenan97 on Thu, 23 April 2020, 07:56:33
Post by: snurrebassen on Thu, 23 April 2020, 15:24:20
Count me in for 1 of these. Do you know what layout the alps plate would support? WKL support would be awesome for the alps plate.We are still trying to figure out what to do with the alps situation. From the IC of the PCB I recently posted very few have requested ALPS support so we're working on the best solution. I'm really hoping we can include those. The ALPS plate will most likely support the same layouts :)
A WKL option for the top part of the case will be available!I really hope this goes into GB, it's a sexy looking board.
Thank you so much! :)
Pictures from the factory, the cases are done and ready for polishing and anodizing! :)
(https://i.imgur.com/jZQFVOVr.jpg)
However sadly I discovered too late that the inner holes for the keycaps are about 1mm too wide on all sides, so there might be a little bit bigger gap between the keycaps and the case edges, we will see. In any case this is what prototyping is for!
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Thu, 23 April 2020, 20:30:30
Pictures from the factory, the cases are done and ready for polishing and anodizing! :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jZQFVOVr.jpg)
However sadly I discovered too late that the inner holes for the keycaps are about 1mm too wide on all sides, so there might be a little bit bigger gap between the keycaps and the case edges, we will see. In any case this is what prototyping is for!
YOOOOOOO That's super exciting! Looks good!
Post by: Erigorin on Fri, 24 April 2020, 02:18:06
Post by: ephemeral25 on Fri, 24 April 2020, 05:07:02
I hope that a raw or light silver color option will be available.
Any idea of the weight of the current proto case?
Post by: MarqueoS on Fri, 24 April 2020, 09:54:01
Post by: VXQN on Fri, 24 April 2020, 10:20:54
Pictures from the factory, the cases are done and ready for polishing and anodizing! :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jZQFVOVr.jpg)
However sadly I discovered too late that the inner holes for the keycaps are about 1mm too wide on all sides, so there might be a little bit bigger gap between the keycaps and the case edges, we will see. In any case this is what prototyping is for!
Looks great! What is the generally agreed on dimension between caps and case sidewalls? Or PCB switch footprint and case sidewalls?
Post by: chits on Fri, 24 April 2020, 11:02:45
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 24 April 2020, 12:53:41
Looks great! What is the generally agreed on dimension between caps and case sidewalls? Or PCB switch footprint and case sidewalls?
It should be very small, maybe close to just 1mm or so. I had accounted too much for extra room, and so 2mm extra on the overall width of the holes were added, which is about 1mm extra on each side. When I put together a bunch of renders with other keyboard cases I saw that the Eclipse had a little bit of extra room. I made the adjustment but sadly didn't make it for the factory before they were done milling. :/
That said, it will definitely be fixed and perfected for the final cases!
bezels on the proto look much larger than in the renders. is this just my imagination?
I did a few minor edits here and there when working on the cases, so there might be some changes. But the bezels should be about the same from the render to the prototype.
The inner fillets (rounded corners) will however be smaller, because it simply isn't possible to have rounder corners, because the keycaps would collide with the edges :/
Post by: beekey on Fri, 24 April 2020, 14:39:36
Post by: powahause on Fri, 24 April 2020, 21:11:12
Post by: nathanchere on Sat, 25 April 2020, 04:39:25
Looks nice! HHKB top and hotswap would be great. :)
Not at all interested in hot swap but yeah, HHKB blockers would make this killer
Post by: phinix on Sat, 25 April 2020, 18:04:35
Looks nice! HHKB top and hotswap would be great. :)
Not at all interested in hot swap but yeah, HHKB blockers would make this killer
HHKB blockers don't make sense on this board.
Post by: breh on Sat, 25 April 2020, 22:01:26
Do you know if the PCB will have ESD protection?
Post by: snurrebassen on Sun, 26 April 2020, 10:04:45
Looks great, +1 interest.thank you!!
Do you know if the PCB will have ESD protection?
Yes, PCB will have ESD protection from what I know, I’m sure w3bb0 can answer more in detail!
Post by: w3bb0 on Sun, 26 April 2020, 12:28:55
Looks great, +1 interest.Hi there the pcb uses a daughter board created by AI03 which has esd protection built in!
Do you know if the PCB will have ESD protection?
Post by: vaf1en on Mon, 27 April 2020, 01:28:18
What are the chances of an option of
* a metal top
* polycarbonate/acrylic bottom half
* and the PCB supporting underglow?
That would put this board over the top.
The bottom part does have a 1-2 mm clearance in height and I think it would not cheapen the look/detract from the overall aesthetics of the board.
It could add a really cool look and the feeling of the board just ever so slightly hovering on a pillow of subtle, warm white light.
Just a thought - I am aware it is probably not going to materialize.
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 27 April 2020, 15:33:34
(https://i.imgur.com/1ktMfr2.jpg)
Post by: enjoidis on Mon, 27 April 2020, 16:01:24
Post by: kevchigga on Mon, 27 April 2020, 16:25:07
:DShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/1ktMfr2.jpg)
THIS WKL LOOKS FREAKING AMAZING!
Post by: elmo on Wed, 29 April 2020, 04:06:07
:DShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/1ktMfr2.jpg)
Not a fan of those thick bezels tbh...
Post by: phinix on Wed, 29 April 2020, 04:13:52
:DShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/1ktMfr2.jpg)
Not a fan of those thick bezels tbh...
I am a fan of those thick bezels.
What's the point of having a keyboard, when all you can see is just caps? Thin bezels disappear and you cannot even see a bit of keyboard, which in most of the cases is pretty expensive item.
Thick bezels add character to keyboard as a whole, IMO.
Post by: omegarex555 on Fri, 01 May 2020, 01:46:27
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Fri, 01 May 2020, 02:44:06
noob question, could those 6 keys above arrows set be changed into macro keys?
Yep. You can pretty much program any key to do whatever you want. You can also put your macros on a second layer. The key that’s Fn in the render to the right of the space bar (or any other key really) could be programmed so that when pressed or held, a subsequent layer of functionality is accessed. You can program keys to do something else on that layer. Default is layer 0. You could put your macros on layer 1 on whatever keys you want. Moral of the story is you can basically program the board to do whatever you want. If you want every key to register as left shift, you could.
Post by: azzipa on Fri, 01 May 2020, 10:22:35
Post by: phinix on Fri, 01 May 2020, 10:44:07
noob question, could those 6 keys above arrows set be changed into macro keys?
Yep. You can pretty much program any key to do whatever you want. You can also put your macros on a second layer. The key that’s Fn in the render to the right of the space bar (or any other key really) could be programmed so that when pressed or held, a subsequent layer of functionality is accessed. You can program keys to do something else on that layer. Default is layer 0. You could put your macros on layer 1 on whatever keys you want. Moral of the story is you can basically program the board to do whatever you want. If you want every key to register as left shift, you could.
Does it mean that for example if I'm going to use ANSI keyboard, I could program it to have £ symbol under Pause key?
That would be registered in the keyboard and no matter what system I would be using, or what language set in OS, it would work?
Post by: iaman on Fri, 01 May 2020, 11:29:02
Does it mean that for example if I'm going to use ANSI keyboard, I could program it to have £ symbol under Pause key?yes, that is how programmable keyboards built on QMK work. The layout is stored on the board
That would be registered in the keyboard and no matter what system I would be using, or what language set in OS, it would work?
Post by: McMack04 on Fri, 01 May 2020, 16:11:15
Post by: phinix on Sat, 02 May 2020, 14:16:27
Does it mean that for example if I'm going to use ANSI keyboard, I could program it to have £ symbol under Pause key?yes, that is how programmable keyboards built on QMK work. The layout is stored on the board
That would be registered in the keyboard and no matter what system I would be using, or what language set in OS, it would work?
Cool, thanks. I never used QMK boards, so wanted to confirm.
I'm ANSI user in UK, so you see my dilemma :D
Post by: kaisn on Sat, 02 May 2020, 14:48:54
:DShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/1ktMfr2.jpg)
Yeah split backspace and WKL my cup of tea. if this is available Ill join for sure
tsangan layout is out of the question?
(https://i.imgur.com/fnuFBR0.png)
Post by: Codezilla on Sat, 02 May 2020, 15:18:07
Post by: DoItForTheThocks on Sat, 02 May 2020, 20:08:01
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Post by: ponchofreedo on Mon, 04 May 2020, 18:23:46
Post by: enjoidis on Tue, 05 May 2020, 00:36:19
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 06 May 2020, 04:59:24
Can you list or show renders of the color choices? I know there are some color option listed on IC form, but would be easier to check out if they were listed on IC page. Also, would you think about adding grey to the list? I really want to see this board get made and if it came in grey it'd be an instant no hesitation purchase for me. Any idea when GB might go down if it happens?Hey!
Colors are not yet determined. I want to try keep as few colors as I can, while covering the most desired colors, to make sure the quality of the colors are as good as they can be. However I can give a rundown of the colors we're looking at:
- Black
- Lilac
- Pink
- Dark Blue
- Grey
- White
I've prototyped the cases in lilac, pink and dark blue, which are the colors I assume are the hardest to get right.
As of right now I can't estimate when a GB might happen. I can tell you however I love working on this, and I'm as eager as you to get this case running!
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 06 May 2020, 05:02:03
Cases are shipped from factory!
Some quick photos:
(https://i.imgur.com/9raomhB.jpg)
(Light) Pink with brass weight
(https://i.imgur.com/aNnm13m.jpg)
Pink case with dark blue bottom (weightless)
(https://i.imgur.com/6mQCywc.jpg)
Pink case with stainless steel weight
(https://i.imgur.com/YBIoZRd.jpg)
Plates: Aluminum, brass and polycarbonate
Those with keen eyes might spot that I forgot to add holes on the plates for the LEDs :confused:
An embarrassing mistake from my side. I'm gonna try get it sorted though, so I can test how the indicator LEDs work out properly.
Again, thanks for all the kind comments and support! ;)
Post by: Erigorin on Wed, 06 May 2020, 06:06:01
Post by: azzipa on Wed, 06 May 2020, 07:13:58
Post by: phinix on Wed, 06 May 2020, 08:42:36
Post by: Starston3 on Wed, 06 May 2020, 08:49:40
UPDATE:Great photos... hope during the gb there will be an option for fixed ansi plate rather than universal. If not, please release the plate file.
Cases are shipped from factory!
Some quick photos:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9raomhB.jpg)
(Light) Pink with brass weightShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/aNnm13m.jpg)
Pink case with dark blue bottom (weightless)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6mQCywc.jpg)
Pink case with stainless steel weightShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/YBIoZRd.jpg)
Plates: Aluminum, brass and polycarbonate
Those with keen eyes might spot that I forgot to add holes on the plates for the LEDs :confused:
An embarrassing mistake from my side. I'm gonna try get it sorted though, so I can test how the indicator LEDs work out properly.
Again, thanks for all the kind comments and support! ;)
Not a fan of universal plates nowadays.
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 06 May 2020, 08:52:44
Looks really great! Any pictures of the tops as well?It sadly wasn't provided as far as I know. Factory pictures usually aren't the best :-X
Great photos... hope during the gb there will be an option for fixed ansi plate rather than universal. If not, please release the plate file.
Not a fan of universal plates nowadays.
Will definitely prepare alternative plate files like this and release them, if we're not offering them in the GB itself. :) We want people to customize their keyboard to their preference.
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Wed, 06 May 2020, 11:42:25
UPDATE:
Cases are shipped from factory!
Some quick photos:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9raomhB.jpg)
(Light) Pink with brass weightShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/aNnm13m.jpg)
Pink case with dark blue bottom (weightless)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6mQCywc.jpg)
Pink case with stainless steel weightShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/YBIoZRd.jpg)
Plates: Aluminum, brass and polycarbonate
Those with keen eyes might spot that I forgot to add holes on the plates for the LEDs :confused:
An embarrassing mistake from my side. I'm gonna try get it sorted though, so I can test how the indicator LEDs work out properly.
Again, thanks for all the kind comments and support! ;)
Looks great! Out of curiosity, how much thickness is left when the screw holes are drilled so close to the edge of the bottom piece?
Post by: NOLA on Wed, 06 May 2020, 12:18:21
Looks like just half of the tap is the larger opening (countersunk). The lower cut through diameter is smaller giving more thickness to the hole.UPDATE:
Cases are shipped from factory!
Some quick photos:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9raomhB.jpg)
(Light) Pink with brass weightShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/aNnm13m.jpg)
Pink case with dark blue bottom (weightless)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6mQCywc.jpg)
Pink case with stainless steel weightShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/YBIoZRd.jpg)
Plates: Aluminum, brass and polycarbonate
Those with keen eyes might spot that I forgot to add holes on the plates for the LEDs :confused:
An embarrassing mistake from my side. I'm gonna try get it sorted though, so I can test how the indicator LEDs work out properly.
Again, thanks for all the kind comments and support! ;)
Looks great! Out of curiosity, how much thickness is left when the screw holes are drilled so close to the edge of the bottom piece?
Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 06 May 2020, 13:29:50
Looks like just half of the tap is the larger opening (countersunk). The lower cut through diameter is smaller giving more thickness to the hole.
Looks great! Out of curiosity, how much thickness is left when the screw holes are drilled so close to the edge of the bottom piece?
Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk
Yeah that is right. I'm not very comfortable having them that close but if i remember right i kind of had to, to balance everything out. I'll see if i can change it for the next rev!
Post by: switchnollie on Wed, 06 May 2020, 15:46:06
Post by: azzipa on Thu, 07 May 2020, 19:08:21
Please keep us posted on PCB prototype. I'm waiting for the 'check mark' on OP :)))
ordered... check! :thumb:
Post by: phinix on Fri, 08 May 2020, 05:50:26
Looks like just half of the tap is the larger opening (countersunk). The lower cut through diameter is smaller giving more thickness to the hole.
Looks great! Out of curiosity, how much thickness is left when the screw holes are drilled so close to the edge of the bottom piece?
Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk
Yeah that is right. I'm not very comfortable having them that close but if i remember right i kind of had to, to balance everything out. I'll see if i can change it for the next rev!
Design is awesome, but yes, those very thin edges of srew holes are a bit too thin, a bit worrying. I understad that few mm below it gets smaller, so that top hole is just for srew head, but still, I wouldn't like to break that thin edge at some point.
WHat would be the weight of this case - weightless version and with weight?
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 08 May 2020, 06:30:41
Design is awesome, but yes, those very thin edges of srew holes are a bit too thin, a bit worrying. I understad that few mm below it gets smaller, so that top hole is just for srew head, but still, I wouldn't like to break that thin edge at some point.
WHat would be the weight of this case - weightless version and with weight?
Yeah. I'm definitely gonna have a look at that. Maybe try looking into countersunk screws if I can't do anything about their closeness to the edge. It's not looking too good either, aesthetically.
By measuring the mass and material in Fusion, the three parts should amount to around 2.1kg, so it's looking to be a heavy guy :)
Post by: phinix on Fri, 08 May 2020, 06:44:42
Design is awesome, but yes, those very thin edges of srew holes are a bit too thin, a bit worrying. I understad that few mm below it gets smaller, so that top hole is just for srew head, but still, I wouldn't like to break that thin edge at some point.
WHat would be the weight of this case - weightless version and with weight?
Yeah. I'm definitely gonna have a look at that. Maybe try looking into countersunk screws if I can't do anything about their closeness to the edge. It's not looking too good either, aesthetically.
By measuring the mass and material in Fusion, the three parts should amount to around 2.1kg, so it's looking to be a heavy guy :)
Cool:)
2.1kg - thats including weight, right? How heavy is the weight itself?
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Fri, 08 May 2020, 16:31:53
Design is awesome, but yes, those very thin edges of srew holes are a bit too thin, a bit worrying. I understad that few mm below it gets smaller, so that top hole is just for srew head, but still, I wouldn't like to break that thin edge at some point.
WHat would be the weight of this case - weightless version and with weight?
Yeah. I'm definitely gonna have a look at that. Maybe try looking into countersunk screws if I can't do anything about their closeness to the edge. It's not looking too good either, aesthetically.
By measuring the mass and material in Fusion, the three parts should amount to around 2.1kg, so it's looking to be a heavy guy :)
To clarify what I meant when I first brought it up, I wasn't concerned about the structure. I'm not worried the thin edge will accidentally get broken, I just think it looks sub-optimal, aesthetically speaking. That being said, the looks of the undersides of boards aren't generally my primary concern, which is why I generally don't have much input for the aesthetics of weights and stuff. If re-working the screws is a huge headache, leaving them as they are isn't the end of the world. I just thought it was worth bringing up. Thanks for all your hard work and responsiveness to feedback! Hope you're safe, healthy, and doing well!
Post by: snurrebassen on Tue, 19 May 2020, 07:17:53
Prototype and gasket samples have arrived!
(https://i.imgur.com/pkQn9Dj.jpg)
This is only a quick assembly I did before the gaskets arrived. With makeshift gaskets to mimic the thickness and function of the actual silicone gaskets the feel and sound was surprisingly tight already, even without a PCB.
The distance from keycaps to inner edges is something that definitely will be fixed and tightened up. I honestly expected it to look worse than it does now. The gap looked way bigger virtually.
Still I will make it fit tighter, by adjusting it a tiny bit, so the caps will be fit better in the case.
(https://i.imgur.com/yIfu6E3.jpg)
During this week, the prototypes of the PCB will be assembled by W3bb0, one of which will be shipped to me.
Hopefully sometime next week I'm able to set up a live stream and of course, videos of the final result for those who can't make the livestream.
Mind you I'm not too familiar or used to live streaming so don't expect the best of quality and entertainment :-X
Full album of photos here:
https://imgur.com/a/zNPqAF9
Overall I'm very excited about this keyboard and more so about making it as good as it can be for all those who are interested in it.
FAQ:
- Colors are not yet 100% decided, but I'm pretty sure we'll keep Pink and Lilac, as the samples looks really good.
- QTY, first round will most likely be limited to 150 units FCFS. This is simply to make sure the quality can be met to match the samples on all units.
- No confirmed GB date yet, but things are moving along smoothly now.
- Total weight is about 2kg, including the weight.
Post by: iaman on Tue, 19 May 2020, 07:28:44
Post by: SolidCactus on Tue, 19 May 2020, 07:31:37
Very tidy work and I will be following!
Post by: Erigorin on Tue, 19 May 2020, 07:39:18
Post by: snurrebassen on Tue, 19 May 2020, 07:47:16
Will e-white still be a colour option?
As far as I know, e-white is one of the easier colors to do, so yes I reckon it will be :)
Post by: Erigorin on Tue, 19 May 2020, 07:49:10
Oh I really hope so! I'm planning to combine the eclipse with GMK Minimall!Will e-white still be a colour option?
As far as I know, e-white is one of the easier colors to do, so yes I reckon it will be :)
Post by: azzipa on Tue, 19 May 2020, 07:55:39
- QTY, first round will most likely be limited to 150 units FCFS. This is simply to make sure the quality can be met to match the samples on all units.
Post by: ogp3 on Tue, 19 May 2020, 10:47:01
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Tue, 19 May 2020, 11:55:00
Post by: werc on Tue, 19 May 2020, 13:36:23
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 19 May 2020, 13:44:12
Will e-white still be a colour option?
As far as I know, e-white is one of the easier colors to do, so yes I reckon it will be :)
And the best too!
Post by: rmw2013 on Thu, 21 May 2020, 17:30:25
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Post by: azzipa on Sat, 23 May 2020, 12:48:34
By the way, I went back and read the thread on Cygnus. Lots of drama. Likely based on a stolen design from Bisoromi which went sideways. The full read is here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103717.0). It got me thinking about where 'ownership' of a design or concept ends and public domain begins. Does anyone own a layout? Probably not. Besides, check out the Drevo Caliber 71 (https://www.drevo.net/product/keyboard/calibur). Seems to be the same layout and Amazon puts the listing date as December 2016, way before anything was ever posted here on GH.
Post by: snurrebassen on Sat, 23 May 2020, 13:09:08
Seems like there isn’t much consensus on what to call this layout. This thread has gone from "TKL" 60% to 70% gasket mount, and Quinella called it a FKL TKL. Maybe it doesn’t matter what we call it, but I’m thinking Compact TKL mostly because there doesn’t seem to be much consensus around a 70% layout. I guess I don't really care as long as this board makes it to GB.
By the way, I went back and read the thread on Cygnus. Lots of drama. Likely based on a stolen design from Bisoromi which went sideways. The full read is here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103717.0). It got me thinking about where 'ownership' of a design or concept ends and public domain begins. Does anyone own a layout? Probably not. Besides, check out the Drevo Caliber 71 (https://www.drevo.net/product/keyboard/calibur). Seems to be the same layout and Amazon puts the listing date as December 2016, way before anything was ever posted here on GH.
I kinda like "Compact TKL"!
But yeah I've read through that GB a few times. It seems to have been a bunch of misunderstandings etc, but all straightened out now between Phoenix and Biso, which I'm happy about!
In any case, I dont think anyone can "own" a layout unless it's very particular like the Alice layout etc, then i suppose it's more a courtesy to ask whether it's okay to do it.
In this case, it's just a TKL layout with Frow redacted so it's not really a big design-feat to pull that off.
In my opinion, the case mounting and design, testing and revisions as well as designing the PCB, is what makes something unique, regardless of the layout. It takes a bunch of initiative to pull off a design, both to have it produced and sold in a GB and that's what counts.
I honestly (and maybe naively) think this community will naturally spot and call out anyone if they steal or do unethical stuff and run GBs for their own profits.
Another user here on GH pointed out the Calibur to me, I honestly hadn't seen it before!
Post by: gminso on Sun, 24 May 2020, 10:20:55
Post by: TibtibThePrincess on Sun, 24 May 2020, 10:40:27
I am very interested. one question, is it my brain or the gaps between the keycaps and the top case look larger than usual.
This was adressed in the prototype build
The distance from keycaps to inner edges is something that definitely will be fixed and tightened up. I honestly expected it to look worse than it does now. The gap looked way bigger virtually.
Still I will make it fit tighter, by adjusting it a tiny bit, so the caps will be fit better in the case.
Post by: BaltO on Mon, 25 May 2020, 01:27:54
Post by: Sagan on Mon, 25 May 2020, 03:38:38
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 25 May 2020, 04:36:01
Damn was really excited for this board but the proto looks kinda bad. Renders were nice and sleek but the proto is super bulky. Has a completely different feel.What exactly do you have in mind, with the term bulky?
I’m aiming to improve this prototype, so I’m gonna try out a few things to see if I can make it better!
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Post by: vaf1en on Mon, 25 May 2020, 05:22:41
It has come up a couple of times that the bezels are bigger than what especially the OP render suggests.Damn was really excited for this board but the proto looks kinda bad. Renders were nice and sleek but the proto is super bulky. Has a completely different feel.What exactly do you have in mind, with the term bulky?
To me it looks like the opening render has a bezel around 1 cm range whereas the prototype sports one in the 1.5-2 cm range. (These are not accurate numbers but to illustrate the discrepancy between render and prototype.)
You have recently posted a render of a WKL version, and that render seems to have bezels matching those of the prototype much better than the OP render.
Post by: noorejji on Mon, 25 May 2020, 13:05:14
Post by: phinix on Mon, 25 May 2020, 13:51:42
Gaps can be little bit adjusted and its all gooooood :D
Post by: Sabin on Wed, 27 May 2020, 17:17:30
Post by: rewke on Wed, 27 May 2020, 17:38:17
+1 for hotswap. Everything looks very sleek, I prefer slightly larger bezels like this
+10000 for hotswap.
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 27 May 2020, 18:00:12
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Wed, 27 May 2020, 18:55:41
Good to see the prototype. As others have stated, the gaps don't look great. I think you should reduce the radius on those inner corners. They don't need to match the outer radius, they can be more squared off to match the keycap borders.
I agree. Those radii can be pretty small. The keycaps they're next to are square after all. That would really help narrow that gap and make everything look a bit more 'precise'
Post by: FRANCO on Fri, 29 May 2020, 14:16:09
Damn was really excited for this board but the proto looks kinda bad. Renders were nice and sleek but the proto is super bulky. Has a completely different feel.What exactly do you have in mind, with the term bulky?
I’m aiming to improve this prototype, so I’m gonna try out a few things to see if I can make it better!
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So while I actually like thicc bezels, the added thickness does detract a little from the initial design shown in the renders and at least to me, doesn't have the same feel
Post by: S3LQ on Fri, 29 May 2020, 14:23:17
Post by: katmcgo on Fri, 29 May 2020, 16:28:43
Post by: Zacharius on Fri, 29 May 2020, 19:37:31
Yeah same. It’s an instant buy with the render bezels, but I have doubts about the proto. It also makes the corners of the board seem sharper? I think they’re the same degree as the render, but the amount of bezel makes it seem like a sharper corner.Damn was really excited for this board but the proto looks kinda bad. Renders were nice and sleek but the proto is super bulky. Has a completely different feel.What exactly do you have in mind, with the term bulky?
I’m aiming to improve this prototype, so I’m gonna try out a few things to see if I can make it better!
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So while I actually like thicc bezels, the added thickness does detract a little from the initial design shown in the renders and at least to me, doesn't have the same feel
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Post by: theside123 on Fri, 29 May 2020, 22:23:05
No RGB ??
Thinking about putting a logo or logo on the top housing of the keyboard?
Post by: snurrebassen on Tue, 02 June 2020, 17:01:31
Yeah same. It’s an instant buy with the render bezels, but I have doubts about the proto. It also makes the corners of the board seem sharper? I think they’re the same degree as the render, but the amount of bezel makes it seem like a sharper corner.
So while I actually like thicc bezels, the added thickness does detract a little from the initial design shown in the renders and at least to me, doesn't have the same feel
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Yeah I get this and I sort of agree. There might be a few spots I can shrink the sides more so I'm gonna look into that.
No RGB ??
Thinking about putting a logo or logo on the top housing of the keyboard?
Sorry, RGB on the PCB has been lower down on our list of priority ^-^
I experimented some having a logo on the top housing, but I ended up going for a cleaner design having only the three indicator LEDs there.
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As for a general update on the progress here, we are halted some because of some issues with the PCB. I also suspect there is a problem with how the PCB will fit the case so I will either have to re-machine the case or just go ahead and do a new prototype with all the changes and improvements learned from the prototypes.
Meanwhile I'm having a new plate machined very soon, with a hopefully improved design.
Sorry for the slow progress, and thank you all for your continued support!
Also, I hope everyone are safe during these crazy, crazy times <3
Post by: hottrout on Wed, 03 June 2020, 02:57:46
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Wed, 03 June 2020, 03:17:25
No problem, I will wait for this keyboard. Keep improving.
I don't mind waiting either, especially if we can shrink those bezels a bit.
Post by: TankaGTE on Wed, 03 June 2020, 16:41:54
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Post by: gamerman on Wed, 03 June 2020, 19:36:19
Post by: azzipa on Fri, 05 June 2020, 13:00:12
As for a general update on the progress here, we are halted some because of some issues with the PCB. I also suspect there is a problem with how the PCB will fit the case so I will either have to re-machine the case or just go ahead and do a new prototype with all the changes and improvements learned from the prototypes.
Meanwhile I'm having a new plate machined very soon, with a hopefully improved design.
Sorry for the slow progress, and thank you all for your continued support!
Also, I hope everyone are safe during these crazy, crazy times <3
Post by: PhantomLeadr on Sun, 07 June 2020, 11:44:24
I saw someone ask for hotswap which id love to see if theres more interest but otherwise i could afford to learn soldering anyway. BIG HYPES for this one man.
Would there be any US distributors or whatever for this if it makes it to GB? again sorry for the ignorance im still learning this hobby.
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Sun, 07 June 2020, 12:11:34
Hey n00b here but im so into this layout and design.
I saw someone ask for hotswap which id love to see if theres more interest but otherwise i could afford to learn soldering anyway. BIG HYPES for this one man.
Would there be any US distributors or whatever for this if it makes it to GB? again sorry for the ignorance im still learning this hobby.
Welcome to geekhack/the hobby! One of the issues with hotswap is that it requires the layout to be fixed. Solderable PCBs can be made to accommodate as serval layouts (things like different bottom rows, split backspace, ISO, stepped capslock, split right shift, etc) on the same PCB, whereas hotswap sockets can not overlap one another. If you look in the OP, you can see an image of the different layouts planned. Doing hotswap would require a different PCB for each.
Idk about the US distributor. Not everything gets freighted to a distributor before being shipped direct to customer though. I wouldn’t worry; we’re pretty fortunate in the US that we generally have access to most GB’s.
Welcome again, and don’t be afraid to ask questions! It’s how you learn!
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 12 June 2020, 18:33:57
Hey all, sorry for the lack of updates here, we sort of hit a little bump in the road with the design, but we're pushing forwards nevertheless.
Regarding everything that's happened in the world, I guess it's only for the best. Somehow it feels wrong to focus on something as insignificant and trivial as this project nowadays. Hopefully it can act like a break from everything, and remind us of a world where we are all privileged enough to only have to worry about how to make our keyboards sound perfect and enjoy the work we do on them, and thus bring us happiness this way.
Anyway, the PCB is still in the process of being assembled and meanwhile I've taken some feedback to heart, adjusted the design based on how the prototype looked and made a few changes to the case. Once I get the PCB shipped to me I'll do the final adjustments and order another prototype.
Main changes are:
- Slightly thinner bezels/edges.
- Back edge thicker than front edge, to make it more aesthetically pleasing from a typing angle
- Cutting a path for cable and components in the bottom case
- Tightened the inner edges and added smaller radii on the corners, so there is no gap between keycaps and case
- Made additional relief cuts to the plate, for a more even and consistent sound
Here is a new render featuring a new GMK set I'm rendering for S3LQ (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106679.0):
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/679987012677533699/720995778029682698/GMK_Zoom_Eclipse.png)
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/679987012677533699/718863948589301860/Screen_Shot_2020-06-06_at_18.28.30.png)
Thank you so much, I hope you're doing okay!
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Fri, 12 June 2020, 18:49:22
UpdateDam, that’s a stunner right there.
Hey all, sorry for the lack of updates here, we sort of hit a little bump in the road with the design, but we're pushing forwards nevertheless.
Regarding everything that's happened in the world, I guess it's only for the best. Somehow it feels wrong to focus on something as insignificant and trivial as this project nowadays. Hopefully it can act like a break from everything, and remind us of a world where we are all privileged enough to only have to worry about how to make our keyboards sound perfect and enjoy the work we do on them, and thus bring us happiness this way.
Anyway, the PCB is still in the process of being assembled and meanwhile I've taken some feedback to heart, adjusted the design based on how the prototype looked and made a few changes to the case. Once I get the PCB shipped to me I'll do the final adjustments and order another prototype.
Main changes are:
- Slightly thinner bezels/edges.
- Back edge thicker than front edge, to make it more aesthetically pleasing from a typing angle
- Cutting a path for cable and components in the bottom case
- Tightened the inner edges and added smaller radii on the corners, so there is no gap between keycaps and case
- Made additional relief cuts to the plate, for a more even and consistent sound
Here is a new render featuring a new GMK set I'm rendering for S3LQ (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106679.0):Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/679987012677533699/720995778029682698/GMK_Zoom_Eclipse.png)Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/679987012677533699/718863948589301860/Screen_Shot_2020-06-06_at_18.28.30.png)
Thank you so much, I hope you're doing okay!
Not a 70% guy but wow...
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Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 12 June 2020, 23:53:10
Post by: kbfan on Sat, 13 June 2020, 00:55:58
Post by: hineybush on Sat, 13 June 2020, 01:25:56
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422242037669167105/721235373321224222/image0.jpg)
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 13 June 2020, 01:34:09
what's up with the cap-to-bezel spacing here, superchief?Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422242037669167105/721235373321224222/image0.jpg)
He's addressed it. It's his 4th bullet point in the update :) Yeah, let's hope it's drastically addressed :thumb:
Post by: snurrebassen on Sat, 13 June 2020, 02:47:57
what's up with the cap-to-bezel spacing here, superchief?Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/422242037669167105/721235373321224222/image0.jpg)
Yeah one of my premier blunders that I noticed exactly when the cases were done machining. :'(
Post by: holer on Sat, 13 June 2020, 02:55:32
Post by: hottrout on Sat, 13 June 2020, 04:58:42
Post by: elmo on Sat, 13 June 2020, 05:30:06
Update
Hey all, sorry for the lack of updates here, we sort of hit a little bump in the road with the design, but we're pushing forwards nevertheless.
Regarding everything that's happened in the world, I guess it's only for the best. Somehow it feels wrong to focus on something as insignificant and trivial as this project nowadays. Hopefully it can act like a break from everything, and remind us of a world where we are all privileged enough to only have to worry about how to make our keyboards sound perfect and enjoy the work we do on them, and thus bring us happiness this way.
Anyway, the PCB is still in the process of being assembled and meanwhile I've taken some feedback to heart, adjusted the design based on how the prototype looked and made a few changes to the case. Once I get the PCB shipped to me I'll do the final adjustments and order another prototype.
Main changes are:
- Slightly thinner bezels/edges.
- Back edge thicker than front edge, to make it more aesthetically pleasing from a typing angle
- Cutting a path for cable and components in the bottom case
- Tightened the inner edges and added smaller radii on the corners, so there is no gap between keycaps and case
- Made additional relief cuts to the plate, for a more even and consistent sound
Here is a new render featuring a new GMK set I'm rendering for S3LQ (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106679.0):Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/679987012677533699/720995778029682698/GMK_Zoom_Eclipse.png)Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/679987012677533699/718863948589301860/Screen_Shot_2020-06-06_at_18.28.30.png)
Thank you so much, I hope you're doing okay!
This looks much better! really nice :D
Post by: kidpid on Sat, 13 June 2020, 23:20:54
Post by: snurrebassen on Sun, 14 June 2020, 06:22:00
Wow, that updated render looks great! Any chance of HHKB blockers? Also, how high did the caps sit on the prototype?Thank you!!
For HHKB we would need more holes in the PCB and plate, so for now we’re trying to focus only on WKL and WK tops. However, i’m thinking if this go well, we can try make a HHKB version as well as offer PC as case material.
I just want a successful round and people being happy with and then see about including HHKB!
The plate sits about 7mm above the top edge of the case, which is pretty much the standard for most boards I believe. The caps are snugly fitted right below the edge this way.
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Post by: Suli on Sun, 14 June 2020, 07:17:31
Post by: phinix on Mon, 22 June 2020, 14:52:30
Do you think it would be possible to get the final keybaords shipped to us by end of this year?
Post by: azzipa on Mon, 22 June 2020, 18:48:47
I was wondering, if second proto comes out ok, does it mean you going to run GB next month?
Do you think it would be possible to get the final keybaords shipped to us by end of this year?
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 22 June 2020, 23:31:50
I was wondering, if second proto comes out ok, does it mean you going to run GB next month?
Do you think it would be possible to get the final keybaords shipped to us by end of this year?
If the second prototype comes out good, it means nothing is really in the way of doing a GB, other than a possible queue at the factory or delays with the vendors etc.
As much as I want this keyboard out to people, I also wanna make sure everything is right and proper and that I'm feeling good about selling it to you all :)
As azzipa notes, I also love your enthusiasm! :D
Post by: phinix on Tue, 23 June 2020, 03:31:54
I totally love your optimism! Personally, I will be ecstatic to see this board whenever snurrebassen releases it. Absolute functional win (for me) if this makes it to production. Even better with the aesthetic refinements.
I'm trying to be optimist all the time, its life that is trying to keep me close to the ground most of the time ;)
Realisticly it is possible to get the keyboard on your desks, by Chistmas.
If proto comes out ok, GB will run for a month, then 4-5 months of production and shipment.
I hope...
I was wondering, if second proto comes out ok, does it mean you going to run GB next month?
Do you think it would be possible to get the final keybaords shipped to us by end of this year?
If the second prototype comes out good, it means nothing is really in the way of doing a GB, other than a possible queue at the factory or delays with the vendors etc.
As much as I want this keyboard out to people, I also wanna make sure everything is right and proper and that I'm feeling good about selling it to you all :)
As azzipa notes, I also love your enthusiasm! :D
Fingers crossed ! :D
Post by: TheInverseKey on Tue, 23 June 2020, 19:13:31
I was wondering, if second proto comes out ok, does it mean you going to run GB next month?
Do you think it would be possible to get the final keybaords shipped to us by end of this year?
If the second prototype comes out good, it means nothing is really in the way of doing a GB, other than a possible queue at the factory or delays with the vendors etc.
As much as I want this keyboard out to people, I also wanna make sure everything is right and proper and that I'm feeling good about selling it to you all :)
As azzipa notes, I also love your enthusiasm! :D
I hope this still comes out! Has Alps still stayed in as a possible option for Plate/PCB?
Post by: CoolMike on Wed, 24 June 2020, 19:19:58
All about the clean lines. Nice build!
GL
Mike
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 01 July 2020, 01:42:23
As a small update, I'm back to work after months of being furloughed so work on the case is going slow. However, I'm working to improve the design further. I want to try to improve the mounting and plate system for better aesthetics, before doing a new prototype.
I'll post any new revisions here, as usual!
Post by: dPaK on Wed, 01 July 2020, 13:30:57
Post by: Krzew on Wed, 01 July 2020, 15:40:04
Post by: shodid on Thu, 02 July 2020, 08:52:01
Post by: xentosh on Mon, 06 July 2020, 12:25:09
Post by: azzipa on Mon, 06 July 2020, 12:33:12
Also glad to hear that you're continuing to tweak the design. I can only imagine the learning curve as you work through the prototype process. I'm guessing there are a bunch of us looking forward to more updates and an eventual GB. In the meantime, thanks for the info.
As a small update, I'm back to work after months of being furloughed so work on the case is going slow. However, I'm working to improve the design further. I want to try to improve the mounting and plate system for better aesthetics, before doing a new prototype.
Post by: jdylanmc on Mon, 06 July 2020, 15:07:39
Post by: snurrebassen on Tue, 07 July 2020, 06:53:06
Glad to hear you're getting a little 'normal' in your life. Hopefully your keyboard helper in the photo won't miss you too much... Maybe he can pick up the slack while you're out earning a paycheck? ^-^
Also glad to hear that you're continuing to tweak the design. I can only imagine the learning curve as you work through the prototype process. I'm guessing there are a bunch of us looking forward to more updates and an eventual GB. In the meantime, thanks for the info.
Thank you very much, you're a great support :)
Even though it's going slow, i'm simultaneously researching other keyboards and trying out stuff, which I think is helpful overall for me in this process. (Good excuse for buying keyboard stuff ;) )
Post by: zoo on Tue, 07 July 2020, 11:07:35
Post by: G on Tue, 07 July 2020, 13:48:09
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Post by: phinix on Fri, 10 July 2020, 02:21:04
Post by: ponchofreedo on Wed, 15 July 2020, 11:51:11
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 15 July 2020, 12:55:30
It's my vacation now, so I've been tinkering with the redesigning of the Eclipse. I basically started all over again, because eventually my CAD-file gets too messy and has too many links I don't understand, so I tend to end up making it from scratch again.
Right now I've been trying to improve the gasket system, slimming the edges, front height and making the design smarter.
Here is a WIP of how the case looks so far:
(https://i.imgur.com/AFseUuh.png)
Bottom part, with gaskets and the plate, fitted into slots for better alignment than before.
(https://i.imgur.com/SI76RCL.png)
Added extrusions to the bottom, so the screw holes on the bottom will have more room. PCB will be slotted into a notch in these extrusions (Hidden under the plate in this picture)
(https://i.imgur.com/MAOLZO3.png)
Hoping to have die-cut a thin layer of silicone to cover the surface of the top part, to act as a gasket and also better sound absorption.
(https://i.imgur.com/CXjZYIr.png)
Added a cut to the top part, to expose the bottom part, making it more recognizable and also avoiding having to have the USB port go through two walls of the case.
I'll be finalizing this design, making sure there are no flaws with the logic of how everything will come together. If you do happen to spot anything that's looking bad or won't work, please let me know!
Thank you for following :)
Post by: breckstar on Wed, 15 July 2020, 14:58:27
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Wed, 15 July 2020, 15:33:07
Hi all!
It's my vacation now, so I've been tinkering with the redesigning of the Eclipse. I basically started all over again, because eventually my CAD-file gets too messy and has too many links I don't understand, so I tend to end up making it from scratch again.
Right now I've been trying to improve the gasket system, slimming the edges, front height and making the design smarter.
Here is a WIP of how the case looks so far:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/AFseUuh.png)
Bottom part, with gaskets and the plate, fitted into slots for better alignment than before.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/SI76RCL.png)
Added extrusions to the bottom, so the screw holes on the bottom will have more room. PCB will be slotted into a notch in these extrusions (Hidden under the plate in this picture)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/MAOLZO3.png)
Hoping to have die-cut a thin layer of silicone to cover the surface of the top part, to act as a gasket and also better sound absorption.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CXjZYIr.png)
Added a cut to the top part, to expose the bottom part, making it more recognizable and also avoiding having to have the USB port go through two walls of the case.
I'll be finalizing this design, making sure there are no flaws with the logic of how everything will come together. If you do happen to spot anything that's looking bad or won't work, please let me know!
Thank you for following :)
I definitely like the change to the top piece on the back for the USB port. It adds character, and having the port go through only one piece of the case definitely seems like a more elegant solution. The only thing is that it brings up the question of color options. Personally, the cutout definitely makes me want to have a different colored bottom piece so that the cutout on the back becomes an accent. I realize that may significantly increase the logistical challenges of the group buy, but I do still think an accent color would make the cutout look a lot better than if both pieces were the same color. The smith + rune boards are a great example. I think the color accent on the back of them looks fantastic. I don’t know how I feel about the cutout having rounded corners though. I don’t dislike it, but the radii of the corners aren’t mirrored elsewhere in the design. That isn’t necessarily bad. Like I said, I honestly don’t know how I feel about it.
Let me preface the next question by saying that I am not an engineer or otherwise an expert.
Regarding the gaskets, am I correct in my interpretation that the gasket for the top piece is the large sheet of silicone that covers the underside? Do you think that will provide benefits that the strips most cases use will not? Using strips like you do for the bottom gaskets would allow you to just double the number of strips, which I imagine is less expensive than a second die-cut shape.
Edit: also, I just want to say great work! Designing a keyboard and running an IC are a lot of work, and I respect that. I hope you’re enjoying your vacation! Lastly, would it be possible to get a view of how the bottom will look with the redesign? Are you still thinking of doing both plain and brass weight versions?
Post by: hottrout on Wed, 15 July 2020, 16:53:08
Post by: phinix on Wed, 15 July 2020, 16:56:05
Please do not make those edges any more thinner, this is enough:) I do not want to the frame just disappear around the board:)
Also, lower front height is always good!
I'm not rushing thinngs up, but lets put things together - Iwant this board under my CHristmas tree this year! :D
Post by: vincenttngo1 on Wed, 15 July 2020, 17:35:44
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Post by: phinix on Fri, 17 July 2020, 02:35:33
Looove the idea of this but do we know if bezels are gonna be slightly reduced like shown in the original renders?
I hope not. Bezels need to be there, otherwise you will be just looking at the caps.
This kind of keyboard should have some fat bezels as it needs to show itself, it's pretty little thing! :)
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 17 July 2020, 05:28:23
I don’t know how I feel about the cutout having rounded corners though. I don’t dislike it, but the radii of the corners aren’t mirrored elsewhere in the design. That isn’t necessarily bad. Like I said, I honestly don’t know how I feel about it.
Let me preface the next question by saying that I am not an engineer or otherwise an expert.
Regarding the gaskets, am I correct in my interpretation that the gasket for the top piece is the large sheet of silicone that covers the underside? Do you think that will provide benefits that the strips most cases use will not? Using strips like you do for the bottom gaskets would allow you to just double the number of strips, which I imagine is less expensive than a second die-cut shape.
Edit: also, I just want to say great work! Designing a keyboard and running an IC are a lot of work, and I respect that. I hope you’re enjoying your vacation! Lastly, would it be possible to get a view of how the bottom will look with the redesign? Are you still thinking of doing both plain and brass weight versions?
Thank you for your comment!
If this GB goes well and according to plan, I really want to see people choosing their own colors for both the bottom and top to create awesome combination with caps and plates, so I wanna try make it be an option to have different colors on top and bottom parts :)
I agree with you on the cutout, it doesn't mirror other parts of the case, so I'm gonna try add some shapes on the sides to help with picking up the case. If it's gonna be a rather heavy case, like the prototype, i want it to be easy to pick up.
Gasket wise, I'm not sure how it'll work, so I will only have to test it out :) If this initial idea of the silicone sheet doesn't work out, I'll try using the same gaskets as with the bottom.
Looove the idea of this but do we know if bezels are gonna be slightly reduced like shown in the original renders?
Sorry, after updating the mounting design to be more correct, the bezels simply has to be at least 10mm thick. Due to the fact that the walls cant be thinner than 3.5mm each + a 2.9mm thickness to reach the caps on the top. :/ It's slightly thinner now, than what the prototype was though!
I extended the back and front a little bit so that it won't look too weird. It's just gonna have to be a thick-bezel case. I just hope it'll look good IRL.
is there an updated layout diagram? I find it weird that there's no split right shift when I look at the first post and there's some renders with the cut out.
Sorry I haven't gotten around to updating the diagram yet! The prototype didn't have split right shift but I realized that since we're having WKL-support, split right shift is also crucial to add. It will be added :)
Post by: drfranco on Fri, 17 July 2020, 10:39:53
Post by: Zaum.Tech on Fri, 17 July 2020, 12:15:54
Post by: iaman on Sat, 18 July 2020, 08:56:51
Post by: JCraftCables on Sat, 18 July 2020, 10:10:00
What software are you using for the renders btw?
Post by: snurrebassen on Tue, 21 July 2020, 16:11:00
This layout is great, makes alot of sense actually, especially for certain games where you need to programme some keys near the arrow cluster! Loving the clean design as well.
What software are you using for the renders btw?
Thanks, that's good to hear!
Using Maya + Octane render :)
Post by: dr_unconscionable on Tue, 21 July 2020, 22:02:14
Post by: johnnysstash on Tue, 21 July 2020, 22:52:06
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Tue, 21 July 2020, 23:45:52
Looking good! The design changes are pleasing to me (I like that back curve personally!), and the die-cut silicone sounds very interesting. I do also wonder a bit though if the custom silicone will increase the price substantially compared to gasket strips -- I have no idea on the pricing for things like that. Either way I'm glad this is progressing!
That’s a good point about the cost of the die cut top gasket. Would the complexity significantly increase cost? One other thing I thought of about the top gasket is that such a large and complex piece of adhesive silicone would be difficult to install without any errors in alignment, creases, etc, particularly since the whole thing will sit recessed inside of the top case. Strips are comparatively much easier to install. Also, should the large, one-piece top gasket get damaged (although honestly idk how this would happen other than really messing up installation), it would be much more difficult to replace than a comparatively simple strip. Don’t get me wrong: I think it’s a very interesting idea, I’m just trying to be helpful.
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 22 July 2020, 04:20:46
Looking good! The design changes are pleasing to me (I like that back curve personally!), and the die-cut silicone sounds very interesting. I do also wonder a bit though if the custom silicone will increase the price substantially compared to gasket strips -- I have no idea on the pricing for things like that. Either way I'm glad this is progressing!
That’s a good point about the cost of the die cut top gasket. Would the complexity significantly increase cost? One other thing I thought of about the top gasket is that such a large and complex piece of adhesive silicone would be difficult to install without any errors in alignment, creases, etc, particularly since the whole thing will sit recessed inside of the top case. Strips are comparatively much easier to install. Also, should the large, one-piece top gasket get damaged (although honestly idk how this would happen other than really messing up installation), it would be much more difficult to replace than a comparatively simple strip. Don’t get me wrong: I think it’s a very interesting idea, I’m just trying to be helpful.
Totally, I get both of your concerns!
Die cutting is relatively cheap once you have the tooling set up, so I don't think this will affect the price significantly. Along the process of making this, I'm also trying to not affect the price too much by adding unnecessary elements to it.
I don't think I'll make the silicone sheet adhesive, and instead finding other ways of aligning it and keeping it fixed while mounting the top piece to the bottom piece. I'll be working more on this in the coming days. If this doesn't work out, I'll just try to mirror the bottom case design to the top part and use the same gaskets.
Post by: voeux on Thu, 23 July 2020, 10:37:02
Post by: ponchofreedo on Tue, 28 July 2020, 16:13:24
This layout is great, makes alot of sense actually, especially for certain games where you need to programme some keys near the arrow cluster! Loving the clean design as well.
What software are you using for the renders btw?
Thanks, that's good to hear!
Using Maya + Octane render :)
this makes me miss maya so much...my autodesk cert means nothing anymore since im so rusty. but now i just want to go render keyboards since you mentioned this. literally cant wait for this gb to happen.
Post by: sntXrrr on Sat, 01 August 2020, 19:24:20
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 07 August 2020, 02:17:55
This layout is great, makes alot of sense actually, especially for certain games where you need to programme some keys near the arrow cluster! Loving the clean design as well.
What software are you using for the renders btw?
Thanks, that's good to hear!
Using Maya + Octane render :)
this makes me miss maya so much...my autodesk cert means nothing anymore since im so rusty. but now i just want to go render keyboards since you mentioned this. literally cant wait for this gb to happen.
You definitely should get back into it ;D it's addictive once you get slightly happy with the results. Now Maya's coming with a much more affordable Indie license too!
Post by: paperassgasket on Fri, 07 August 2020, 21:17:48
Post by: EMC Labs on Sat, 08 August 2020, 08:49:49
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 10 August 2020, 06:08:21
Sorry if it was already covered, but is there QMK / VIA firmware support? If so I think you can safely count me in.Yes! VIA is now open source (if i'm not comepletely mistaken) so yes, it will be no problem. Personally a huge fan of VIA so gonna make sure it happens.
So will polycarbonate likely be a case material? And the HHKB top?I really want to make this happen, if not immediately, it will be my focus once a prototype is successful ;)
Post by: elmo on Mon, 10 August 2020, 14:37:42
Yes! VIA is now open source (if i'm not comepletely mistaken) so yes, it will be no problem. Personally a huge fan of VIA so gonna make sure it happens.
It's not.
Only the keyboard definition files are on GitHub.
The actual VIA configurator tool was changed to closed source a while ago due to chinese people copying it and selling it as their own software.
To port a board to VIA you don't need access to the client source code though so it doesn't really matter.
Post by: snurrebassen on Thu, 20 August 2020, 06:05:59
I put out new renders and colors on a new, contemporary website: https://typelab.design
As to my decision to first only do a few, perhaps limited and dull colors, I eventually want to do more 'out there' colors and give people their favorite colors or at least something close.
But I wanna start off with limited colors to minimize the amount of mismatched parts/stuff that can go wrong and make people unhappy. Completing a relatively small first round will give me a better idea of how to safely expand options and make more people want this case!
I don't want people who wants this case to worry about missing out or losing a spot, because even if I do a limited first round, gauging how well everything go, we might even start the next GB as soon as we see that the first production units are looking good and are as solid as the initial prototype I'm happy with, with more colors.
I'm starting with dark grey, to mix black and grey into one discreet and balanced look and will fit most sets, I hope. Rose gold because I love the kind of muted look which will hopefully fit most neutral light sets (maybe even neutral dark sets!) However, if I somehow sense that the prototype for the rose gold can be tricky to mass produce, I'll change it to a safer color. And E-white because it's a much less risky finish.
Even if we order prototypes in these 3 colors, it doesn't mean I've completely set my mind on them
As always, I'm very open to input and your thoughts because I might be completely wrong in my way of thinking :)
Post by: phinix on Thu, 20 August 2020, 07:44:57
Post by: VXQN on Thu, 20 August 2020, 10:32:58
Post by: PvtSkittles on Thu, 20 August 2020, 11:32:31
Post by: dPaK on Thu, 20 August 2020, 11:38:50
Post by: nathanchere on Thu, 20 August 2020, 11:45:12
So will polycarbonate likely be a case material? And the HHKB top?I really want to make this happen, if not immediately, it will be my focus once a prototype is successful ;)
:D :D :D :D :D :D 100% in if this happens with HHKB top.
Post by: hottrout on Thu, 20 August 2020, 12:16:09
Post by: holer on Tue, 25 August 2020, 12:44:36
As to my decision to first only do a few, perhaps limited and dull colors, [...]
No worries, it's hard enough to choose between e-white and rose gold :D
Post by: Surefoot on Wed, 26 August 2020, 02:43:01
Even if we order prototypes in these 3 colors, it doesn't mean I've completely set my mind on themBlack, gray and e-white are always safe choices. I'd certainly go for e-white too.
As always, I'm very open to input and your thoughts because I might be completely wrong in my way of thinking :)
Post by: aadk5 on Thu, 27 August 2020, 00:43:45
Post by: snurrebassen on Thu, 27 August 2020, 01:45:07
Very interested! A dark blue FRL WKL TKL is one of the things I've been looking for
Great :) Stay tuned, I really do wanna cover more colors eventually. I just wanna be sure we can deliver quality products ;)
Post by: noorejji on Thu, 27 August 2020, 02:58:17
Post by: OBL17 on Thu, 27 August 2020, 03:07:25
Post by: elmo on Thu, 27 August 2020, 03:35:23
I would just wait for that then :)
Post by: supernova on Thu, 27 August 2020, 03:38:42
Post by: Chloebi on Sat, 29 August 2020, 09:00:23
Post by: 1corazon on Sat, 29 August 2020, 09:38:08
Post by: snurrebassen on Sat, 29 August 2020, 09:52:18
I love it - please don't add the cut outs to the side panels i like the solid look. Can you please advise if you are going to sell it like the original picture ? or is it going to have the side cut outs on it ?Sorry for the very different versions in the renders! I’ve gone back and forth a lot.
I’m not including the side cuts in the final version :D
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Post by: 1corazon on Sat, 29 August 2020, 10:07:24
Post by: mikeyboyy on Mon, 31 August 2020, 13:12:36
Post by: snurrebassen on Tue, 01 September 2020, 01:45:17
Looks great. Is there any renders or images of the wkl version?
Gonna try get more renders done once I get some free time after work!
In other news, new prototypes have been ordered and are lined up for production!
Please pray for success! ;)
Post by: AnuragMishra on Tue, 01 September 2020, 01:47:18
I’m in for white
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Post by: wowaweewa on Tue, 01 September 2020, 04:20:25
Post by: Suavity on Tue, 01 September 2020, 07:07:15
Curious if this has been mentioned previously, but is the split space bar configuration fixed to 2.25u/1u/2.75u? Or would other options like 2.75/1/2.25 and, or 3/1/3 layouts be available as well? In any case, fixed split space bars or not, the board looks great. Wishing the protyping nothing but success :thumb:
Post by: azzipa on Tue, 01 September 2020, 09:56:30
In other news, new prototypes have been ordered and are lined up for production!
Please pray for success! ;)
Post by: imnoelt on Fri, 04 September 2020, 05:12:21
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 04 September 2020, 05:58:53
Split Space, Rose Gold, and Asthetic AF? Must cop for me.
Curious if this has been mentioned previously, but is the split space bar configuration fixed to 2.25u/1u/2.75u? Or would other options like 2.75/1/2.25 and, or 3/1/3 layouts be available as well? In any case, fixed split space bars or not, the board looks great. Wishing the protyping nothing but success :thumb:
Good to hear!!
Yeah, sorry I made the plate to be fixed split space bar at 2.25/1.25/2.75. I just simply wanna include at least one split spacebar layout, instead of excluding it entirely!
How much will it be expected to cost? Also will it have split space bar options?
Price is estimated to be somewhere between $350-$450, we haven't decided a price just yet.
As for the split space bar, it looks like this and it's included all in the same plate:
(https://i.imgur.com/jyTgpBt.png)
Post by: RedBananaBread on Sat, 05 September 2020, 00:30:57
Post by: CustomerSupport on Mon, 07 September 2020, 03:54:56
Looks fantastic, and a nice take on TKLs. I've been enjoying HHKB and now Tsangan layout, and this board finally makes Tsangan with split RShift/Backspace make sense in a TKL-size board.
Post by: gavingoh on Mon, 07 September 2020, 04:07:31
Very interested in this! Would definitely be down for an E-White order based on pricing.
Looks fantastic, and a nice take on TKLs. I've been enjoying HHKB and now Tsangan layout, and this board finally makes Tsangan with split RShift/Backspace make sense in a TKL-size board.
Hmm, I think this board will make it as a good training ground for those wanting to dip their feet into HHKB :P
Post by: enjoidis on Tue, 08 September 2020, 04:59:14
Post by: phinix on Tue, 08 September 2020, 05:03:29
Price is estimated to be somewhere between $350-$450, we haven't decided a price just yet.
As for the split space bar, it looks like this and it's included all in the same plate:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jyTgpBt.png)
At $350, this is instant buy :D
Post by: isot0nic on Tue, 08 September 2020, 21:17:46
Post by: rmendis on Tue, 08 September 2020, 22:43:12
Post by: CustomerSupport on Wed, 09 September 2020, 00:48:42
Post by: PvtSkittles on Wed, 09 September 2020, 03:05:07
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 09 September 2020, 03:10:33
It looks like split r shift is included in the supported layouts outlined in the first post.
Not sure if this is possible at this point, but is split right-shift an option?
Yes, I just updated it to include split right shift, as I realized it's pretty much a must have for WKL layouts ;)
Post by: wazzuppi on Wed, 09 September 2020, 07:17:05
Cant go wrong with a burgundy, navy and teal for keyboards hope those colours are considered!
Post by: SamuelAB on Thu, 10 September 2020, 10:23:19
However, I'd much prefer a super small keyboard. The goal of removing all these keys is to get a compact keyboard.
I'm basically looking for a slim 70% with two more buttons.
[attachimg=1]
I was also wondering if it is possible to have a hot swap for this keyboard? I'm going to want to play with the switches a lot :)
Post by: diazel on Thu, 10 September 2020, 12:18:36
Post by: CustomerSupport on Fri, 11 September 2020, 02:34:55
It looks like split r shift is included in the supported layouts outlined in the first post.Not sure if this is possible at this point, but is split right-shift an option?
Yes, I just updated it to include split right shift, as I realized it's pretty much a must have for WKL layouts ;)
Thanks! I also noticed the description mentions only supporting ANSI and ISO:
Quote
As for layout compatibility, in the first run with prototypes we're only looking at standard ANSI and ISO layouts.
Should mention that Tsangan is also supported (split backspace, split RShift, 1.5u-1u-1.5u-7u-1.5u-1u-1.5u bottom row) since that's differentiated from ANSI.
Post by: lysergic acid on Fri, 11 September 2020, 03:31:59
the pink looks really good
Post by: SleepyJacky on Fri, 11 September 2020, 03:49:34
Post by: gilbert on Fri, 11 September 2020, 05:28:25
Post by: wowaweewa on Sun, 13 September 2020, 16:15:56
Post by: SamuelAB on Mon, 14 September 2020, 19:02:48
https://keyhive.xyz/shop/absinthe
I wish there were way more options for this form factor
Post by: snurrebassen on Tue, 15 September 2020, 02:28:36
Someone has already done PCB for this form factor:
https://keyhive.xyz/shop/absinthe
I wish there were way more options for this form factor
I'm actually surprised that there aren't more keyboards/PCBs with this layout. It's not exactly revolutionary, it's just a TKL with fewer keys, hah
Post by: gavingoh on Tue, 15 September 2020, 02:42:19
Someone has already done PCB for this form factor:
https://keyhive.xyz/shop/absinthe
I wish there were way more options for this form factor
I'm actually surprised that there aren't more keyboards/PCBs with this layout. It's not exactly revolutionary, it's just a TKL with fewer keys, hah
Yeah this layout is more compact and not as chonky as the regular TKL
Post by: SamuelAB on Tue, 15 September 2020, 10:15:01
Regarding the PCB, is there any way we can get a hotswap? This is my ideal layout, but I also want to use it for my hype switch addiction, lol!
Post by: CustomerSupport on Thu, 17 September 2020, 02:54:11
Was this intentional? Personally I would rather have a uniform edge depth but curious which one will be in the end product.
I know right? Everybody is creating these ridiculous layouts, but this very logical layout is generally missing from the conversation.
Regarding the PCB, is there any way we can get a hotswap? This is my ideal layout, but I also want to use it for my hype switch addiction, lol!
+1 for a hotswap option if at all possible
Post by: SamuelAB on Thu, 17 September 2020, 12:49:14
Post by: kimchijody on Thu, 17 September 2020, 13:26:12
I love the Tenkeyless and function rows missing. This is exactly what I am looking for.(https://66.media.tumblr.com/9bc15cefb6f3ec024ade3892e495b424/tumblr_pohr6uYy3c1tvm82m_540.jpg)
However, I'd much prefer a super small keyboard. The goal of removing all these keys is to get a compact keyboard.
I'm basically looking for a slim 70% with two more buttons.
(Attachment Link)
I was also wondering if it is possible to have a hot swap for this keyboard? I'm going to want to play with the switches a lot :)
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Thu, 17 September 2020, 14:48:08
I love the Tenkeyless and function rows missing. This is exactly what I am looking for.
However, I'd much prefer a super small keyboard. The goal of removing all these keys is to get a compact keyboard.
I'm basically looking for a slim 70% with two more buttons.
(Attachment Link)
I was also wondering if it is possible to have a hot swap for this keyboard? I'm going to want to play with the switches a lot :)
??
Post by: Cloods on Sat, 19 September 2020, 02:31:01
Post by: CustomerSupport on Sun, 20 September 2020, 17:16:05
This layout is wonderful, too bad i have too many boards
What does even mean
Post by: danielj3nn on Sun, 20 September 2020, 17:36:02
Post by: phinix on Thu, 24 September 2020, 03:20:49
I wonder how would it look with numpad added to the right. Still no F-row. Could be cool. Second version for round 2 :)
Post by: snurrebassen on Thu, 24 September 2020, 07:44:52
Can't wait for this one:)
I wonder how would it look with numpad added to the right. Still no F-row. Could be cool. Second version for round 2 :)
Was it you who suggested it in the discord too? In any case, I'm very intrigued by the idea of a southpaw version, I will be working on it meanwhile ;D
In other news, cases are sent for anodizing! They should be sent to us next week! :D
I'm both thrilled and nervous at the same time!
Post by: snurrebassen on Sat, 26 September 2020, 08:19:56
Come say hi whenever I'm online at https://www.twitch.tv/typelab :D
Post by: CustomerSupport on Mon, 28 September 2020, 23:26:59
Post by: snurrebassen on Tue, 29 September 2020, 04:03:18
(Rose Gold had a slight defect so it's sent back for re-anodizing)
I will be building and testing the Dark Grey case:
(https://i.imgur.com/rpeQlXH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/R0ZGRei.jpg)
E-White case:
(https://i.imgur.com/NWKrgz0.jpg)
I am very excited :D
Proceeding with arranging for gasket production asap now, while we also wait for the PCB production.
Post by: nathanchere on Tue, 29 September 2020, 04:08:41
Will do WKL and HHKB renders soon!
Is this still on the cards?
Post by: snurrebassen on Tue, 29 September 2020, 04:15:31
Aye, as embarrassing as it is to see that I said that in February I think Ill do that during the next stream :)Will do WKL and HHKB renders soon!
Is this still on the cards?
Post by: phinix on Tue, 29 September 2020, 06:12:49
Can't wait for this one:)
I wonder how would it look with numpad added to the right. Still no F-row. Could be cool. Second version for round 2 :)
Was it you who suggested it in the discord too? In any case, I'm very intrigued by the idea of a southpaw version, I will be working on it meanwhile ;D
In other news, cases are sent for anodizing! They should be sent to us next week! :D
I'm both thrilled and nervous at the same time!
Don't know, maybe it was me:)
By south, do you mean numpad on the left or just design example with numpad? Yours would look best with it on right, but we can leave this till round 2 :D
Prototypes are done anodizing and shipping to us :)
(Rose Gold had a slight defect so it's sent back for re-anodizing)
I will be building and testing the Dark Grey case:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rpeQlXH.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/R0ZGRei.jpg)
E-White case:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NWKrgz0.jpg)
I am very excited :D
Proceeding with arranging for gasket production asap now, while we also wait for the PCB production.
Beuatiful!!! :D
Post by: holer on Tue, 29 September 2020, 07:13:02
Prototypes are done anodizing and shipping to us :)
(Rose Gold had a slight defect so it's sent back for re-anodizing)
I will be building and testing the Dark Grey case:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rpeQlXH.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/R0ZGRei.jpg)
E-White case:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NWKrgz0.jpg)
I am very excited :D
Proceeding with arranging for gasket production asap now, while we also wait for the PCB production.
Looks fantastic. The GB can't get here fast enough! ;D ;D ;D
Post by: hottrout on Tue, 29 September 2020, 07:35:01
Post by: aadk5 on Tue, 29 September 2020, 08:17:12
I will be building and testing the Dark Grey case:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rpeQlXH.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/R0ZGRei.jpg)
This is awesome! Any plans on building it live on stream?
Post by: Scottw on Tue, 29 September 2020, 15:03:32
Post by: AnuragMishra on Tue, 29 September 2020, 15:26:04
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Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Tue, 29 September 2020, 18:12:55
Prototypes are done anodizing and shipping to us :)Wow that looks amazing. I might actually be into the layout lol
(Rose Gold had a slight defect so it's sent back for re-anodizing)
I will be building and testing the Dark Grey case:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rpeQlXH.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/R0ZGRei.jpg)
E-White case:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NWKrgz0.jpg)
I am very excited :D
Proceeding with arranging for gasket production asap now, while we also wait for the PCB production.
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Post by: thinkrtank on Tue, 29 September 2020, 22:48:48
Post by: succulentdan on Tue, 29 September 2020, 23:48:46
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 30 September 2020, 01:58:41
The proto photos look great. Will you be sending the protos out to be built before the GB.
I dont know what mykeyboard has got planned for their two protos but I'm hoping to build mine on stream :)
Yes, hopefully! ;)
I will be building and testing the Dark Grey case:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rpeQlXH.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/R0ZGRei.jpg)
This is awesome! Any plans on building it live on stream?
Pretty damn happy to see prototypes! I'll definitely be following this and if I don't hop on, I'll be telling a bunch of people about it. Would've loved to see the Arrow40 come to fruition though..Thank you so much for that!!
Yeah, Arrow40 is still something I'd love to do, especially in the same style as the new Eclipse!
Post by: gilbert on Wed, 30 September 2020, 15:41:55
Post by: SamuelAB on Wed, 30 September 2020, 17:01:43
Post by: bryannguyen99b on Wed, 30 September 2020, 17:37:54
The edges and the top edge especially seem a bit think. I'm guessing there's a design reason for it however?
he refers to this design choice in the discord:
"...I wanted to make room for screws, make it a little bit different looking from the top, and also to account for the perspective when you look at the keyboard from a typing angle. I'm using a uniform 60% now and the back side is almost hidden behind the caps. Extending it. it'll 'look' the same size from where you are sitting. Basically I just found it more interesting than having the sides uniform"
Post by: spedywin on Thu, 01 October 2020, 13:30:38
Post by: SamuelAB on Fri, 02 October 2020, 11:39:54
It feels like we lost the top row, but kept the space that is now a blank border with no keys.
Post by: floristfran on Fri, 02 October 2020, 14:41:37
Post by: azzipa on Sat, 03 October 2020, 21:10:54
And I'm not sure that going FRL is only about space. To me the F row is simply redundant with a modifier only a pinkie away.
Mmm, since the goal of removing the top F keys is to gain a bit of wasted vertical space, I'd love to just keep chopping off as much of the edge as possible.
It feels like we lost the top row, but kept the space that is now a blank border with no keys.
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 07 October 2020, 09:48:00
www.twitch.tv/typelab
Post by: aadk5 on Wed, 07 October 2020, 11:52:38
I will be live on my twitch soon to open up the box with the prototype and preview it! No build just yet, the PCB is still in production (was put on hold due to the holidays).
www.twitch.tv/typelab
He's live right now if anyone following this is seeing this
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 07 October 2020, 16:09:15
Thank you for those who watched the stream!
And to make it clear, I did not build the Eclipse yet. Don't worry, you didn't miss that much.
The PCB and gaskets are not yet finished, so I only assembled it, put switches on the plate and keycaps on for cosmetic purpose only.
My immediate impression is that the case looks very good, the anodizing is flawless from what I could see and no big changes are needed. I will however have to test it with the PCB in place to see if another minor adjustment have to be made or not.
tl;dr
I'm super happy with it! :D
Here are photos!
https://imgur.com/a/TnDNZZM
Preview:
(https://i.imgur.com/unfRAVv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QUIYjFt.jpg)
Post by: aadk5 on Wed, 07 October 2020, 16:13:26
Hi!
Thank you for those who watched the stream!
And to make it clear, I did not build the Eclipse yet. Don't worry, you didn't miss that much.
The PCB and gaskets are not yet finished, so I only assembled it, put switches on the plate and keycaps on for cosmetic purpose only.
My immediate impression is that the case looks very good, the anodizing is flawless from what I could see and no big changes are needed. I will however have to test it with the PCB in place to see if another minor adjustment have to be made or not.
tl;dr
I'm super happy with it! :D
Here are photos!
https://imgur.com/a/TnDNZZM
Preview:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/unfRAVv.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QUIYjFt.jpg)
Stream was awesome, adn the pictures came out great! Can't wait for a follow up stream when the PCB's and gaskets arrive for the full assembly!
Post by: azzipa on Wed, 07 October 2020, 18:15:31
My immediate impression is that the case looks very good,
Post by: SamuelAB on Wed, 07 October 2020, 22:55:35
I feel like this is going to be a hot new layout and extra PCBs would allow for more boards using this layout and giving us more diversity. There's so little being done with this layout unfortunately, it would be great o see more cases using it.
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 07 October 2020, 23:05:03
Ok, so I'm wondering if you're going to make a bunch of extra PCBs?Yes for sure. There will be extras :)
I feel like this is going to be a hot new layout and extra PCBs would allow for more boards using this layout and giving us more diversity. There's so little being done with this layout unfortunately, it would be great o see more cases using it.
But we’re not using the default distance (if there even is one!) between the ‘main cluster’ and the ‘nav cluster’ so it’ll probably not fit other cases being made with this layout. But you will have the option to get additional PCBs!
Post by: hottrout on Thu, 08 October 2020, 05:33:05
Post by: Cahuib23 on Sun, 11 October 2020, 21:19:31
Post by: holer on Mon, 12 October 2020, 03:22:57
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 12 October 2020, 03:29:10
Really a big fan of this layout, perfect blend between functionality and aesthetics. The proportions are perfect, gasket mount, clean design. I'm in!I'm so glad to hear that!!
Just waiting to prototype the rest of the parts, and then GB :)
Post by: SamuelAB on Thu, 15 October 2020, 19:51:25
Post by: treeleaf64 on Thu, 15 October 2020, 21:23:11
Rectangle!
Very nice
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 16 October 2020, 02:28:09
The prototypes of the rose gold is very bright, and I am considering swapping it out with a new color. I'd love to know what you would want, alongside e-white and dark grey.
Rose gold prototype:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/679988321157382168/766353131348164708/unknown.png)
If you want to keep the rose gold you can vote for it too, but I would like to know what color of the Eclipse you would like to have!
Vote here:
https://forms.gle/LKtH366pAyN2idfS6 (https://forms.gle/LKtH366pAyN2idfS6)
We will order samples and decide on the last color, while we wait for PCB finalization and gasket prototype production!
Thank you so much!
Post by: azzipa on Fri, 16 October 2020, 14:03:08
If you want to keep the rose gold you can vote for it too, but I would like to know what color of the Eclipse you would like to have!
Vote here:
https://forms.gle/LKtH366pAyN2idfS6 (https://forms.gle/LKtH366pAyN2idfS6)
We will order samples and decide on the last color, while we wait for PCB finalization and gasket prototype production!
Thank you so much!
Post by: aadk5 on Fri, 16 October 2020, 21:21:59
I really like the original lilac but voted for green. Almost opted to write in dark navy blue. I'll be excited to get this in any color, honestly. :thumb:
Yeah, I originally wanted a dark navy blue and I thought that was going to be one of their colors, but that dark gray they're doing is really nice
Post by: snurrebassen on Sat, 17 October 2020, 04:01:40
I will be closing the form now, and we're deciding on what samples to order on Monday! Sometime next week we should have the samples in (David's) hand!
I hope as few people as possible will be disappointed by this decision :-[ but i think it'll add more value overall to the options in R1.
Post by: SamuelAB on Mon, 19 October 2020, 20:41:19
"Ass so fat that you could see it from the front"
t=0m36s
Preview:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/unfRAVv.jpg)
Post by: azzipa on Fri, 23 October 2020, 12:44:30
Post by: snurrebassen on Sun, 08 November 2020, 09:48:00
I have been reminded that it's been ages since I've posted in the geekhack thread. It's unforgivable.
I've been busy with life, but also slowly moving things ahead by trying to keep all threads together. I ordered color samples which I received last week.
I am really happy with looking at how anodized lilac and green looks like in person.
More
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/681460554220437534/771775647290490920/image0.jpg)
So I can hereby announce on geekhack (a week later) that the final colors (R1) will be:
Dark Grey, anodized
Lilac, anodized
Green, anodized
E-White
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/681460554220437534/772518601823485952/Eclipse_Colors_Bare.jpg)
Dark Grey, anodized
Lilac, anodized
Green, anodized
E-White
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/681460554220437534/772518601823485952/Eclipse_Colors_Bare.jpg)
Currently we are waiting on PCB parts to arrive at mykeyboard.eu's PCB workshop, where they will assemble. They should arrive and be during done next week.
We are also waiting for samples of gaskets, including the rubber pads, they should be done and shipped next week.
Best case scenario: everything from here goes well: we will start the group buy mid November :)
Worst possible scenario: we will start the group buy late December/January
Thank you! :)
Post by: dandruff on Mon, 09 November 2020, 02:50:23
Post by: thunderbird2678 on Mon, 09 November 2020, 14:18:58
Probably going to fit really well when KAM Li'l Dragon drops too
Post by: hottrout on Tue, 10 November 2020, 11:09:21
Post by: treeleaf64 on Tue, 10 November 2020, 11:38:36
Post by: SamuelAB on Sat, 21 November 2020, 09:23:25
Post by: kk73715 on Sat, 21 November 2020, 09:46:02
glwic!
Post by: SamuelAB on Sat, 21 November 2020, 16:32:19
Post by: Digmo on Sun, 22 November 2020, 15:00:29
Post by: lunr on Sun, 22 November 2020, 22:29:55
Post by: persocom on Tue, 24 November 2020, 13:00:50
Post by: snurrebassen on Tue, 01 December 2020, 12:40:32
I'm sorry for the long wait. I'm still waiting on PCBs to be made up. There has just been several connections of delays both as a cause of me not wanting to nag too on others to finish their part, and also external factors I can't control.
There are two other big parts of making a high end keyboard I don't have the skills and patience to do: Making a PCB and dealing with logistics and papers.
Leaving those two parts to partners to collaborate with, you sacrifice the option to have full control over a project. But in most cases though you really don't want full control because it requires you to be consistently motivated to work on it and pull it through.
I definitely am not consistently motivated, hence I credit a lot of this project to w3bb0, because he often took a lot of the initiative in the beginning, while we were working on the Arrow 40 and it made me want to finish working on the case. This eventually led to the Eclipse. But with the second and current edition of the design, we've just had a lot of delays due to the global matters of 2021 and both of us being busy with work and university. It's still however, the result of us both imagining our dream keyboards and I'm confident it's gonna be a really pleasant and elegant looking keyboard!
Cheers to all of you who've been patiently following our project and have supported us with kind and generous words! :)
Here's a little teaser render of what I want to do in the future :)
(https://i.imgur.com/4nkxubY.png)
Post by: azzipa on Tue, 01 December 2020, 13:53:36
the result of us both imagining our dream keyboards and I'm confident it's gonna be a really pleasant and elegant looking keyboard!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/4nkxubY.png)
Post by: Cahuib23 on Tue, 01 December 2020, 17:56:08
Stan Eclipse
Stan Eclipse
Edit: is pricing still supposed to be around 350, insane deal for how nice it is :D
Here's a little teaser render of what I want to do in the future :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/4nkxubY.png)
Post by: CustomerSupport on Thu, 03 December 2020, 01:20:04
Here's a little teaser render of what I want to do in the future :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/4nkxubY.png)
So. Freaking. Fire.
Post by: azzipa on Thu, 03 December 2020, 12:01:55
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/12/04/PNDN/b9cd59d6-fdd2-4934-b5b6-8448ac5bf305-1967_Lotus_49-14.jpg?width=660&height=440&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 04 December 2020, 00:07:29
How about a green Eclipse with Serika (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109969.0)? Team LotusOoooh wow. I must test that. Will try a render when I get a moment over the weekend!Show Image(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/12/04/PNDN/b9cd59d6-fdd2-4934-b5b6-8448ac5bf305-1967_Lotus_49-14.jpg?width=660&height=440&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
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Post by: Havattack on Fri, 04 December 2020, 12:22:40
Hi all!Don't be, there are like half dozen keyboards i want coming out in the next 2 months (dec/jan) , and they all cost 500.... I'm gonna be a broke mofo.
I'm sorry for the long wait.
Post by: lysergic acid on Sat, 05 December 2020, 23:55:14
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 11 December 2020, 00:19:18
PCBs needs further work, we will be changing the MCU so that we won’t need to wait until march for a restock (is what I hear!)
I’m afraid there will be no GB in 2020 :(
Considering the year it’s been, I’m not surprised things were severely postponed. There’s no need to rush things and I think there are plenty of great GBs going on to keep us occupied.
But i do think i will have a prototype ready pretty soon. New PCB should be ordered by the end of the week and might arrive next week and forwarded to me for testing.
I think my prototype case is just as eager as me, to be tested properly, as it’s just been sitting on display for 3 months now :>
I also just remembered that I need to do a render with a green case with Serika on, as promised!
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Post by: hottrout on Fri, 11 December 2020, 05:00:06
Post by: azzipa on Fri, 11 December 2020, 18:29:16
I also just remembered that I need to do a render with a green case with Serika on, as promised!
No rush, Serika runs until 7 Jan (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109969.0;topicseen) :))
Post by: minhbuinhat99 on Mon, 14 December 2020, 00:37:13
Post by: dibstern on Mon, 14 December 2020, 00:47:06
Post by: snail_typist on Mon, 14 December 2020, 04:25:03
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 14 December 2020, 05:00:39
What a 2020! Totally understandable that life intervenes and plans change. Thanks for sticking with this project! :thumb:I also just remembered that I need to do a render with a green case with Serika on, as promised!
No rush, Serika runs until 7 Jan (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109969.0;topicseen) :))
I already made the render, posted it in Discord but I forgot to also put it here!
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/679988321157382168/787046032680288266/Eclipse_Green_Serika.jpg)
Post by: Jo_hannes on Mon, 14 December 2020, 05:42:01
Post by: Havattack on Mon, 14 December 2020, 09:37:51
Post by: azzipa on Mon, 14 December 2020, 10:04:19
(https://3f9r0i2k7ubg3w6ysq87ndd1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/181-Lotus-Cosworth-38-Sir-Jackie-Stewart-300x200.jpg)
Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/679988321157382168/787046032680288266/Eclipse_Green_Serika.jpg)
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 11 January 2021, 07:50:31
As of right now we are in the queue at JLC for PCB prototypes. Certain parts were not in stock, which led to our order being cancelled in December so it had to be tuned a little bit and re-ordered.
Thank you for your continued display of patience :)
Post by: azzipa on Mon, 11 January 2021, 10:38:54
Quote
“Great things are not done by impulse but by a series of small things brought together.”
- Vincent Van Gogh
“Progressing at a snail’s pace is still progress, and slow progress is better than no progress. Never be stagnant, and never give up.”
- Richelle Goodrich
“It’s the little details that are vital. Little things make big things happen.”
- John Wooden
“Measuring progress is often like watching grass grow. While it’s difficult to detect movement on a daily basis, it’s simple to see growth over time.”
- Frank Sonnenberg
Happy new year to everyone who's following the Geekhack thread!
As of right now we are in the queue at JLC for PCB prototypes. Certain parts were not in stock, which led to our order being cancelled in December so it had to be tuned a little bit and re-ordered.
Thank you for your continued display of patience :)
Post by: dado brat on Mon, 11 January 2021, 10:55:13
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 11 January 2021, 23:27:04
Sorry if it has been mentioned before but what plate materials are you considering on this? I just stumbled upon this and it looks very good. Looks like I will have to work some overtime the next weeks for this one :DNo worries!
I haven't confirmed all of these yet but I want to cover the basic materials at least. Aluminum, Polycarbonate, brass and POM :)
Post by: DERBS on Mon, 25 January 2021, 14:50:10
Post by: Guerteltier on Tue, 09 February 2021, 04:30:38
Post by: snurrebassen on Tue, 09 February 2021, 06:51:00
NE 3-1-3 split SB avail?
Hi and sorry for the very late reply! There will only be 2.75 - 1.25u - 2.25u split spacebar available. We tried to accommodate for as much compat for the PCB as we could, without making it too complicated.
Hello, sorry for the question again but will there be an hot swap version? And any idea when the GB starts? :DThe hotswap is in process of being designed. We should be able to offer it as an option yes *crosses fingers*
Post by: breckstar on Tue, 09 February 2021, 09:50:29
Post by: iaman on Tue, 09 February 2021, 10:03:45
The hotswap is in process of being designed. We should be able to offer it as an option yes *crosses fingers*You are gonna make it real easy for me to rec this to my friends who have garbo hotswap boards and want something that's a solid step up without going fully into the deep end, and bless you for it.
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 10 February 2021, 03:17:15
Any update on a timeline for GB start?As soon as we have confirmed the quality of the prototype, we will have a better idea for the timeline of this! :)
Post by: jaxball30 on Thu, 11 February 2021, 09:11:41
Post by: Havattack on Thu, 11 February 2021, 10:12:21
Is there a general price point? Looks super interesting but I want to make sure it will be in my price point before I get my hopes up.
500, give or take 300.....
(just messin, I have no idea)
Post by: JKKEEBS on Thu, 11 February 2021, 11:48:48
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 12 February 2021, 00:24:12
Is there a general price point? Looks super interesting but I want to make sure it will be in my price point before I get my hopes up.The goal is somewhere along the lines of $350-400 :)
Also general announcement!
PCB prototype is on the way to me, so finally I will be able to build it myself, for the first time!
I will be streaming this sometime next week :)
Thank you everyone!
Post by: azzipa on Fri, 12 February 2021, 00:45:21
I will be streaming this sometime next week :)
Thank you everyone!
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 12 February 2021, 06:29:02
Build stream will likely happen tomorrow, Saturday 02/13
https://www.twitch.tv/TypeLab
Post by: snurrebassen on Sat, 13 February 2021, 04:25:33
Actually. Scratch that. I already received the parts :D
Build stream will likely happen tomorrow, Saturday 02/13
https://www.twitch.tv/TypeLab
16:00 GMT www.twitch.tv/typelab (http://www.twitch.tv/typelab)
Post by: azzipa on Sat, 13 February 2021, 12:48:56
Post by: Casserole on Sat, 13 February 2021, 13:27:44
Post by: snurrebassen on Sat, 13 February 2021, 17:07:36
Thanks to those who popped by my stream today!
I built the first ever prototype of Eclipse, with stock Mekanisk ultramarine switches, on an aluminum plate.
(https://i.imgur.com/AUdhHFX.jpg)
Dark Grey Eclipse, GMK Oblivion
Here is a quick sound test of the final result. (https://youtu.be/j-lkiAGhrBc)
Moving forward, we're looking at doing some minor improvements of the PCB, as well as making a hotswap ANSI version. I will get back with further info/dates!
Thank you all!
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sat, 13 February 2021, 17:09:50
Post by: hottrout on Sat, 13 February 2021, 17:53:19
Post by: vi0till on Sat, 13 February 2021, 22:01:58
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Post by: iaman on Sun, 14 February 2021, 08:43:58
Post by: Guerteltier on Wed, 17 February 2021, 01:50:24
I want to ask what do yout think the group buy will start? I dont want to know an exact date only an estimate 2 weeks 8 weeks an half year :D?
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 17 February 2021, 08:31:45
Has the number and vendor finalized?
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Number is around 150, spread across the different vendors though! We're working on this now. Mykeyboard is the main vendor :)
Good morning :D
I want to ask what do yout think the group buy will start? I dont want to know an exact date only an estimate 2 weeks 8 weeks an half year :D?
I would love to say that in about a month, we should be getting ready for GB! Just need to finalize PCB design along with the hotswap edition, make a few minuscule tweaks in the design:
Case:
- Decrease clearance for the gap between the plate and the bottom case - to improve alignment.
- Change radius of plate corners to match radius of the cutouts in the case.
- + any possible additional feedback from poesjuh (the other streamer who will build the case)
- Enlarge holes for screws in the gasket sheets so screws don't get stuck.
- Have adhesive surface of the gasket sheet be on the correct side lmao.
- Possibly make gaskets of a slightly stiffer material.
Post by: Guerteltier on Wed, 17 February 2021, 08:49:14
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 17 February 2021, 09:12:48
O.K. sounds great thanks for the answer. I have another stupid question. This whole Group buy thing is new for me. The price is not interesting for me 400 or 500 is not the problem. My problem is how difficult is it to get one of these boards? Is 150 enough to get one on the first day or is this like the AMD or Nvida Graphic Cards and they are gone in seconds? ;)Honestly I think it should be fine! It’s mainly only the hype boards by Keycult, Smith
& Rune, Mekanisk etc that go immediately. I’m more worried about actually filling the spots :) In any case, I’m up for a second round if everything goes well and there is enough demand for it. Thank you for the interest!
Post by: 100 percent horse on Wed, 17 February 2021, 10:10:54
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Post by: Guerteltier on Wed, 17 February 2021, 10:14:59
Post by: azzipa on Wed, 17 February 2021, 16:59:10
(https://i.imgur.com/EyYb0dx.png)
Post by: Poesjuh on Mon, 22 February 2021, 14:14:46
Post by: snurrebassen on Tue, 23 February 2021, 01:35:41
I will be building a second prototype on stream tomorrow! Tuesday 20:00 GMT+1 @ https://www.twitch.tv/p0esjuh/
Yes! Thank you <3
I completely forgot to update this thread about it :)
Everyone who wants to see another build, set a reminder to watch https://www.twitch.tv/p0esjuh/ live tonight!
Post by: nicedream on Thu, 25 February 2021, 12:17:08
Is there a notification we can sign up for, so I don't miss when the group by starts? Or should I just keep checking back to this thread?
Post by: Havattack on Thu, 25 February 2021, 12:44:56
I just found this board and it looks absolutely perfect to me.Best place, that has the most frequent updates, is the discord link in the OP
Is there a notification we can sign up for, so I don't miss when the group by starts? Or should I just keep checking back to this thread?
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 25 February 2021, 18:15:26
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210226/03bec6b0165a86b10889227f6810aa6c.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210226/e3752e96306d291c58dfb51869a4f4df.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210226/d2663db08811037ffcd4ac1c3955bfc2.jpg)
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 26 February 2021, 03:42:54
Post by: azzipa on Fri, 26 February 2021, 08:24:28
Oh Boy, looking fine with those bezels.
Post by: Havattack on Fri, 26 February 2021, 23:28:50
Oh Boy, looking fine with those bezels.A little too small if you ask me.... 3" bezels are go home I say! :cool:
Post by: zzkhan1996 on Sat, 27 February 2021, 00:58:06
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 03 March 2021, 07:30:58
Will this be an unlimited GB, FCFS or raffle?
Hi! Sorry for the late answer! I haven't paid too much thought to it yet to be honest!
I'm still not sure about the extent of people who actually will buy the case when it is ready for GB. Maybe FCFS will be enough actually, since the vendors in the different regions should be able to open it up at the appropriate local times, so that no one has to sit up at like 2am waiting for it. I suppose a raffle is the most fair system if there's too much interest for it.
I've no idea whether it's gonna be a quiet GB or a 'gone in minutes'-GB...
I'll just be happy if it goes smoothly and that the people who get it are happy with it, so that we can push on with a second round!
-
Currently we are ordering a hotswap prototype along with new samples of the gaskets. I'm not too happy with using PORON for the internal gaskets, so we're trying out silicone :)
Post by: iaman on Wed, 03 March 2021, 08:25:52
Post by: azzipa on Wed, 03 March 2021, 10:44:47
I'm still not sure about the extent of people who actually will buy the case when it is ready for GB.
Well, whichever method you end up using I’m almost 100% certain I’ll be crossing my fingers hoping I get one. Love this board and layout.
Post by: ZuvE_E on Fri, 19 March 2021, 03:10:43
Post by: noorejji on Fri, 19 March 2021, 07:21:19
Post by: comXrade on Mon, 29 March 2021, 03:21:55
just asking some silly question, how about the rough price for the kit? thanks.
Post by: dimo on Mon, 29 March 2021, 03:49:16
I hope this will be unlimited GB, recently i've search board like this. cygnus not quite my style but this board is my dream.all of this is answered in the discord.
just asking some silly question, how about the rough price for the kit? thanks.
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 29 March 2021, 07:40:40
What a beautiful board, can't wait for the group buy. I really do hope it'll be unlimited group buy since I really want this board but I've never had success with fcfs and raffles.
We will see! Probably not unlimited, but there will be several rounds if the demand is enough!
I hope this will be unlimited GB, recently i've search board like this. cygnus not quite my style but this board is my dream.
just asking some silly question, how about the rough price for the kit? thanks.
Thank you, I'm so glad to hear that you like it! in terms of pricing, since it won't be mass produced and it is designed to be a high end custom mechanical keyboard, somewhere between $400-$500 most likely. I've probably said different prices in the past, and I apologize if I disappoint some people, but I've tried to always disclaim it as an estimate, and not a guarantee.
Mekanisk as vendor?
Yes! Not formally confirmed yet, but they are in the loop.
Post by: hottrout on Mon, 29 March 2021, 08:01:24
Post by: phinix on Mon, 29 March 2021, 18:02:56
Prototypist for the UK vendor please.
I would prefer mykeyboard.eu, more reliable and known shop, not some hobbyist site.
Post by: Kinesiologist on Mon, 29 March 2021, 18:41:34
Post by: 4milk on Tue, 30 March 2021, 23:19:01
Post by: hottrout on Wed, 31 March 2021, 03:24:27
Prototypist for the UK vendor please.
I would prefer mykeyboard.eu, more reliable and known shop, not some hobbyist site.
Jae has been around this community since the start, not to mention he has designed and released some of the communities best boards. I am not sure I would label him just as a hobbyist. Also now that Brexit has happened it makes a lot of sense for all vendors to use him for the UK customers. I am not saying mykeyboard.eu is not a great site because it is, but I have also found prototypist to be very good as well.
Post by: phinix on Wed, 31 March 2021, 18:01:05
Is RGB still possible for hotswap pcb?
Post by: azzipa on Wed, 31 March 2021, 20:39:17
Hey, I asked about it on discord, but nobody answered.
Is RGB still possible for hotswap pcb?
So sorry, response in the PCB-design channel... doesn’t look like it will be.
Post by: Oddstag on Thu, 01 April 2021, 03:58:21
Prototypist for the UK vendor please.
I second this!
Post by: sirpeebs on Sun, 04 April 2021, 18:56:19
Post by: aadk5 on Sun, 04 April 2021, 21:42:39
Some pictures :)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210226/03bec6b0165a86b10889227f6810aa6c.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210226/e3752e96306d291c58dfb51869a4f4df.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210226/d2663db08811037ffcd4ac1c3955bfc2.jpg)
ok I have to say it...those renders are fire
If you're referring to these, I don't think those are renders
Post by: Poesjuh on Mon, 05 April 2021, 06:39:07
100% positive they’re not, made these pictures myself :PSome pictures :)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210226/03bec6b0165a86b10889227f6810aa6c.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210226/e3752e96306d291c58dfb51869a4f4df.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210226/d2663db08811037ffcd4ac1c3955bfc2.jpg)ok I have to say it...those renders are fire
If you're referring to these, I don't think those are renders
Post by: Iksion on Thu, 22 April 2021, 17:10:51
Post by: WaS on Fri, 23 April 2021, 03:41:54
I’m such a sucker for seamless case design. I’m not even usually into TKL but not having the F row just makes it that much more attractive to me. I’m probably in
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I'm not sure.. isnt F-row the part of the board, why you wanna have a tkl?
Post by: UGunaLOSE on Fri, 23 April 2021, 14:44:40
Post by: Havattack on Fri, 23 April 2021, 17:04:44
...what.I’m such a sucker for seamless case design. I’m not even usually into TKL but not having the F row just makes it that much more attractive to me. I’m probably in
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I'm not sure.. isnt F-row the part of the board, why you wanna have a tkl?
Post by: snurrebassen on Sun, 25 April 2021, 06:12:37
Any news? Hope to get one from GB :thumb:
We are gathering quotes and setting up the details for the GB :)
I will also be testing a new and improved gasket next week! ;D
Post by: azzipa on Sun, 25 April 2021, 09:20:09
Any news? Hope to get one from GB :thumb:
We are gathering quotes and setting up the details for the GB :)
I will also be testing a new and improved gasket next week! ;D
YES !!! :thumb:
Post by: hottrout on Sun, 25 April 2021, 09:51:01
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 03 May 2021, 04:18:23
As I've stated in a few comments and post around, we have been working on the GB details, and I am happy to announce we have a date set!
Our very first group buy raffle is set to take place on 05/29/2021 - Last Saturday of May
- We will raffle a limited amount of 150 units of Eclipse, worldwide - one vendor.
- You will get to choose from Dark Grey, Lilac, Green and E-White.
- Default plate material is Polycarbonate. Optional plate materials are POM for a softer typing feel, and brass, for a heavier and more solid typing feel.
- Solder PCB only, I'm afraid, due to MOQ limitations. I know I've promised hotswap, but we will try get that through for the next round, when we know more about the demand. So sorry if this disappoints you, but we prioritize getting a solid first round through.
- A secure raffle will take place through mykeyboard's new website and raffle system. More details and info will come closer to the GB date.
There will most likely be more rounds, so don't feel bad if you don't win the raffle!!
Thank you all for your patience!! I'm really excited
(https://i.imgur.com/tAl8jtw.jpg)
Post by: azzipa on Mon, 03 May 2021, 07:43:27
Post by: Space_Case88 on Mon, 03 May 2021, 22:47:35
Post by: Space_Case88 on Mon, 03 May 2021, 22:48:58
Post by: Havattack on Tue, 04 May 2021, 16:49:38
If there's goin be a R2, why not make a waiting list based off the people who singed up for the R1 raffle and lucked out? Give then the right of first refusal?
So if 250 people sign up for R1, the 100 people who missed out would be guaranteed one in R2, if they want.
I guess it only matters if r2 is as limited.
Oh, and was their a price estimate? i could not find one after quickly looking.
Post by: Iksion on Tue, 04 May 2021, 17:53:08
God damn raffles!!! NO!!!!!! Lol
If there's goin be a R2, why not make a waiting list based off the people who singed up for the R1 raffle and lucked out? Give then the right of first refusal?
So if 250 people sign up for R1, the 100 people who missed out would be guaranteed one in R2, if they want.
I guess it only matters if r2 is as limited.
Oh, and was their a price estimate? i could not find one after quickly looking.
Definitely agree.
Post by: gleneston on Tue, 04 May 2021, 18:30:44
I agree as well. I have terrible luck with raffle GBsGod damn raffles!!! NO!!!!!! Lol
If there's goin be a R2, why not make a waiting list based off the people who singed up for the R1 raffle and lucked out? Give then the right of first refusal?
So if 250 people sign up for R1, the 100 people who missed out would be guaranteed one in R2, if they want.
I guess it only matters if r2 is as limited.
Oh, and was their a price estimate? i could not find one after quickly looking.
Definitely agree.
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Post by: TheMetalDog on Tue, 04 May 2021, 18:43:19
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 05 May 2021, 00:26:41
We will give a closer estimate on price very soon!
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Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 05 May 2021, 00:26:51
We will give a closer estimate on price very soon!
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Post by: chat7 on Thu, 06 May 2021, 11:18:33
Wish I get one....
Post by: PradyXT on Thu, 06 May 2021, 13:08:50
Post by: azzipa on Sun, 23 May 2021, 17:25:45
(https://media.giphy.com/media/Gc3L1WBBvdGWA/giphy.gif)
Post by: breckstar on Thu, 27 May 2021, 13:19:53
Post by: Havattack on Thu, 27 May 2021, 14:35:40
2 days to go and no price details?There was an announcement earlier today on the discord that said: "Minor update: Quotation received :slight_smile: Crunching numbers up next!"
You probably all ready know, but the majority of IC's post updates 1st, and more frequently on their discord. (probably becasue GH has stupid, childish, rules, and just kind of sucks)
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 28 May 2021, 03:57:25
Sorry for the lack of updates here in the geekhack thread. I tend to update my discord channel (https://discord.gg/UANk7NCa) more frequently :)
We have had a few delays regarding quotations from factories etc, but we have a final price now.
Prices for R1 raffle tomorrow are as follows:
Eclipse kit with WKL/Standard top, Solderable PCB, PC plate, Brass weight - €390 included VAT and shipping
Extra PCB: €45
Extra PC plate: €35
Extra brass plate: €41
Extra POM plate: €35
Optional SS Weight (Mirror polished): €65
Colors:
Dark grey
Green
Lilac
E-White
Raffle will be held through mykeyboard's new raffle system and I will post a link as soon as I have it.
Just to have it said as a disclaimer: There may be a delay for the raffle, just due to the fact that the raffle system is fresh and we gathered all the details a little bit late.
Post any additional questions here (I have most likely missed stuff) or in my discord server, and I will post an FAQ later today.
I am setting up a GB page today.
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 28 May 2021, 06:12:57
Things got a little bit out of hand here and to give myself and you all a little bit more time, the raffle will be pushed to the 31st! A nice clean date.
New raffle date: 31.05.2021
So sorry about the confusion and let me know if you have any concerns/questions :)
Post by: nicedream on Sat, 29 May 2021, 08:14:37
Will there be a link posted here on the 31st?
Post by: ♾Ḋḯṩⱥṩẗḝṟ on Sat, 29 May 2021, 08:48:31
How do we sign up for the raffle?
Will there be a link posted here on the 31st?
Yes link to mykeyboard.eu will be posted. Join Discord for more info...
Post by: snurrebassen on Sat, 29 May 2021, 09:32:18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIrRSaDjCYc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIrRSaDjCYc)
Post by: Havattack on Sat, 29 May 2021, 11:40:43
While we wait for the raffle system to be set up, have a look at this assembly video I just put together :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIrRSaDjCYc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIrRSaDjCYc)
Keyboards! ASSEMBLE!!!
...Sorry.
Post by: Slayer77 on Sat, 29 May 2021, 12:40:07
Post by: Kuki on Mon, 31 May 2021, 02:14:35
While we wait for the raffle system to be set up, have a look at this assembly video I just put together :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIrRSaDjCYc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIrRSaDjCYc)
Looking good!
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 31 May 2021, 09:09:57
Mykeyboard is still working on testing the raffle system we will be using, but I'm hoping to open the raffle at 18:00 CEST!
If not, I will post a new date and time here and in my discord channel. You will not miss the raffle if you are interested in this board and follow this thread and/or are in my discord channel.
It will be open for 24 hrs at least so there should be good enough time for everyone who are interested, to join it :)
I will post the link and info about the raffle here as soon as I have it! It will also be posted in my discord channel, my instagram and on mykeyboard's instagram.
I've posted a proper GB thread but it's still on hold until a moderator approves it :rolleyes:
Again, 150 units will be raffled, worldwide :)
Post by: ENG Studio on Mon, 31 May 2021, 09:17:49
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 31 May 2021, 10:54:33
I was a little late posting the GB thread, so it's yet to be approved by the mods. I'll link to it from here so we can continue the discussion and info over there, once it's up!
The raffle is clcosed! Thank you all who entered! ;)
Any questions, feel free to reach out to me here or in my discord :)
Post by: azzipa on Mon, 31 May 2021, 15:46:33
Post by: tuxkey on Mon, 31 May 2021, 17:13:40
i like the layout it's something diff something i don't see everywhere.. i like that it's going to be happening on mykeyboard.eu
i think i'm a bit late to the party and i still need to read all the comments.. chocked me when i saw 12 pages hahaha..
i also think that more space between the arrow cluster .. i mean the sides are thicker. The design of the board is all about THICK nice sexy clean design.
At least that's what i see. i don't know if you made a render of how thick you can get that part .. need to read all the history.
Greetings from The Netherlands..
Post by: snurrebassen on Tue, 01 June 2021, 16:25:09
Thank you all who participated!!
See you in the next update :)
Post by: ponchofreedo on Tue, 01 June 2021, 16:49:35
Post by: snurrebassen on Wed, 02 June 2021, 02:07:59
just wanted to compliment you. finally a nice looking board in EU.. and someone like me that uses ANSI hahaha..
i like the layout it's something diff something i don't see everywhere.. i like that it's going to be happening on mykeyboard.eu
i think i'm a bit late to the party and i still need to read all the comments.. chocked me when i saw 12 pages hahaha..
i also think that more space between the arrow cluster .. i mean the sides are thicker. The design of the board is all about THICK nice sexy clean design.
At least that's what i see. i don't know if you made a render of how thick you can get that part .. need to read all the history.
Greetings from The Netherlands..
Thank you so much for your comment! It seems you got the right idea about this! I get some comments about the sides and the top, and understandably so. It's a board dedicated to thick sides and the classic look of the asymmetric thicker top. As well as splurging with the extra space to the side, for the nav cluster. It's not exactly a space saving design, despite it being limited by the missing function keys. It's not a board for everyone. So I'm hopefully left with the ones who this board is perfect for :)
Thanks again!
Post by: ninjapirate on Thu, 03 June 2021, 09:41:36
Post by: Coreyrmsx on Thu, 03 June 2021, 23:05:52
Post by: snurrebassen on Fri, 04 June 2021, 00:21:46
I was picked for the raffle and i didn't know the email i gave was suppose to be for paypal as well so who do i contact to give the proper paypal email? I don't want to miss the window after being pickedHello! Don’t worry :) Email contact@mykeyboard.eu with your details and we will sort it out!
Post by: snurrebassen on Mon, 07 June 2021, 11:56:14
Updates and discussion will be moved over here:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=113079.msg3053818#msg3053818 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=113079.msg3053818#msg3053818)