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Who all here is an Eagle? Post em up and your project! :D
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BOOO!!!
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Eagle snacks? We sharks love eagle snacks :)
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Tastes like Great Horned Owl right?
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Tastes like Great Horned Owl right?
Birds of a feather!
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Since I have Row 1 keys, I can have it(Eagle Scout keys) made for you... but I'm almost certain there aren't 9 other Eagle Scouts on here. My minimum with Imsto is 10, what do?
This is mainly why I'm asking. I'd like to get some Eagle keycaps made, and I think I'll take at least two, but maybe more. Just wanted to let other people in if they wanted a few.
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i made it to life, then i rebelled... =(
still hate that decision
i know the oath off the top of my head more than the pledge of allegiance, fck i'll admit it, i couldn't even spell allegiance, had to google it.
gonna make the mini me version become eagle scout!, and if i get a girl... whatever the girl scout equivalent is!
(even tho i currently believe the scouts stand for the wrong things)
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Got my eagle in '06. tried to quit, my dad wouldnt let me until i got eagle, im glad i stuck with it.. and an eagle scout key would be bad ass
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Lanx: wrong things ... agreed. it is a shame. (sincerely)
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I try to stay out of their positions of everything, but I don't personally have any problems with people who are homosexual. Anyways, anyone else want Eagle caps?
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I got mine right before my 18th birthday. What are the caps going to look like?
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(http://i.imgur.com/y3Fzl.png)
This is what I'd like them to look like. They will be on the bottom row profile, since Rag has a bunch of extras. Also, makes nice mods for 86 layouts. :)
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I was Life, was working on my Eagle but graduated HS before I made it. Spread myself too thin during those HS days :/
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I was Life, was working on my Eagle but graduated HS before I made it. Spread myself too thin during those HS days :/
Same here. Just a mere Life Scout. Still, Scouting was awesome.
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Eagle scout here. My project was collecting toys and candy and making gift baskets for kids at a women's shelter.
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Smallfry, you're an Eagle Scout? Wish I would have known at the meetup. I am one myself.
Project: put up wooden trail markers at a local county park and accompanying signs and maps. Since then, my project has been overtaken by better trail markers. Tough break.
You ever get to Philmont or any of the other high adventure bases?
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i made it to life, then i rebelled... =(
still hate that decision
i know the oath off the top of my head more than the pledge of allegiance, fck i'll admit it, i couldn't even spell allegiance, had to google it.
gonna make the mini me version become eagle scout!, and if i get a girl... whatever the girl scout equivalent is!
(even tho i currently believe the scouts stand for the wrong things)
If you get a girl, have her do Venture Scouts. All the girls that want real adventure rather than arts and crafts do the Venture Scouts.
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Smallfry, you're an Eagle Scout? Wish I would have known at the meetup. I am one myself.
Project: put up wooden trail markers at a local county park and accompanying signs and maps. Since then, my project has been overtaken by better trail markers. Tough break.
You ever get to Philmont or any of the other high adventure bases?
I've been to the boundary waters via an outfitter, not the scouts. I've also been to the national jamboree in 2010.
My project was restoring a scoreboard at my high school replaced the incandescent bulbs etc with LED, painted it, and created a new control panel.
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idk.. eagle scout in this day and age doesn't make much sense...
if you ever get "STUCK" out in the wilderness.. could've all been avoided if you just stood home and watched some TV..
If you wanna truly "BE PREPARED" stay the **** outta the wilderness.... :D
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I try to stay out of their positions of everything, but I don't personally have any problems with people who are homosexual. Anyways, anyone else want Eagle caps?
Boy Scouts are heavily backed by the Mormon Church.
In my hometown (in California, not Utah), your kid was welcome, but the single mother was not.
If you get a girl, have her do Venture Scouts. All the girls that want real adventure rather than arts and crafts do the Venture Scouts.
I'm not saying one or the other is better, but Girl Scouts are at least much more up with the times than Boy Scouts and are working hard to be even more relevant.
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I try to stay out of their positions of everything, but I don't personally have any problems with people who are homosexual. Anyways, anyone else want Eagle caps?
Boy Scouts are heavily backed by the Mormon Church.
In my hometown (in California, not Utah), your kid was welcome, but the single mother was not.
If you get a girl, have her do Venture Scouts. All the girls that want real adventure rather than arts and crafts do the Venture Scouts.
I'm not saying one or the other is better, but Girl Scouts are at least much more up with the times than Boy Scouts and are working hard to be even more relevant.
Girl Scouts pimp cookies ... hard ... not that I am complaining mind you.
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idk.. eagle scout in this day and age doesn't make much sense...
if you ever get "STUCK" out in the wilderness.. could've all been avoided if you just stood home and watched some TV..
If you wanna truly "BE PREPARED" stay the **** outta the wilderness.... :D
I've learned a lot more from scouts than a compass and sleeping bag. I've learned diligence, patience, intuition etc.
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idk.. eagle scout in this day and age doesn't make much sense...
if you ever get "STUCK" out in the wilderness.. could've all been avoided if you just stood home and watched some TV..
If you wanna truly "BE PREPARED" stay the **** outta the wilderness.... :D
I've learned a lot more from scouts than a compass and sleeping bag. I've learned diligence, patience, intuition etc.
Hey SF, You're right those things are also good..
I'm just saying skip the whole wilderness stuff.. everything else can be taught in a more useful setting. :D
For example, TODAY, i'm going to teach you accounting... now this list will take all 5 of you to sort out... And there's your team work...
Wilderness survival will get you all of 0 jobs... Accounting however... :cool:
I mean.. you wanna be a wall street guy? they need accountants..
You wanna be a gangster?? they need accountants...
You wanna be an international gun runner??? you gotta know how to launder money... :D
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Basically, what I'm saying is, they need an UPDATED curriculum for Scouts...
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The Boy Scouts have no appeal for me.
Too much nature, too little FORTRAN
No gays
and much more importantly...
NO COOKIES
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The Boy Scouts have no appeal for me.
Too much nature, too little FORTRAN
No gays
and much more importantly...
NO COOKIES
I thought only girl-scout sold cookies.
I vote we update that too.. make them sell sandwiches.. HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAHAA..................hAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
JKJK.... but did always thought it was a bit of a sexist decision to have girls selling boxes of kitchen goods at such a young age.
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I try to stay out of their positions of everything, but I don't personally have any problems with people who are homosexual. Anyways, anyone else want Eagle caps?
Boy Scouts are heavily backed by the Mormon Church.
In my hometown (in California, not Utah), your kid was welcome, but the single mother was not.
If you get a girl, have her do Venture Scouts. All the girls that want real adventure rather than arts and crafts do the Venture Scouts.
I'm not saying one or the other is better, but Girl Scouts are at least much more up with the times than Boy Scouts and are working hard to be even more relevant.
Girl Scouts pimp cookies ... hard ... not that I am complaining mind you.
Mmm... Girl Scout cookies. The Samoas aka Caramel Delites are the best!
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idk.. eagle scout in this day and age doesn't make much sense...
if you ever get "STUCK" out in the wilderness.. could've all been avoided if you just stood home and watched some TV..
I can't believe I'm being suckered into a serious reply to you.
You learn much more than just wilderness stuff. Wilderness survival is like what... one merit badge? Too bad there's no merit badges for couch-potato-ing
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The Boy Scouts have no appeal for me.
Too much nature, too little FORTRAN
No gays
and much more importantly...
NO COOKIES
http://www.usscouts.org/mb/mb036.asp
As far as being 'relevant' the Boy Scouts are very relevant. What's irrelevant about them? Patriotism, courage, competence? As far as I know, those are all still in style -- or should be. No 'reality show' merit badge yet. Are the Boy Scouts' values becoming somewhat anachronistic? Sure, but that's a sad commentary on modern society. The organization encourages boys to do a good deed every day.
As for gay leaders in scouting, does it make any sense to send a bunch of boys out into the woods alone with an openly gay man? How about sending out a troop of teenage girls into the woods alone with a heterosexual man? Parents just wouldn't be comfortable with either situation.
So let's not mince words. Gays rights activists want openly gay scout leaders so that they kill off Scouting in the first place. Parents, uncomfortable with the idea would pull their kids out, and the organization would die. And that's what some people want -- it's not about equality, etc. -- it's about ending Scouting.
Also, homosexuality doesn't really fit in with a lot of the BSA's religious agenda (Islamic, Christian, Judaism, etc.). Now you and I may disagree with their position, but in this golden age of tolerance, could we tolerate an organization with a different viewpoint? We know the answer: "No." If you don't like their values, go and make 'Atheist Scouts' or 'Gay Scouts' -- no one's stopping anyone from doing that.
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idk.. eagle scout in this day and age doesn't make much sense...
if you ever get "STUCK" out in the wilderness.. could've all been avoided if you just stood home and watched some TV..
I can't believe I'm being suckered into a serious reply to you.
You learn much more than just wilderness stuff. Wilderness survival is like what... one merit badge? Too bad there's no merit badges for couch-potato-ing
Don't know bro... their list of "to-do" seem a little dated...
How is coveting keyboards NOT the merit badge for Couch-potatoing... the connection is quite strong... :D
A hobby that pretty much does nothing, which involves a great deal of sitting and doing almost nothing... besides click-click on the internet :D
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Patriotism, courage, competence... can be learned in a different setting.. that was my point...
the boy scout's actual "activity-list" is dated, not their "core-message", assuming there is one..
And the whole GAY-issue is all about the concept of SHAME in sexuality... That's really the ONLY thing gay men do differently than straight...
That's it... everything else is exactly the same... we have straight men who are effeminate voiced, and dress like queens.. and we have gay men who are completely lumber-jack macho...
You are correct that the PROBLEM with scouts is parents concerned about their kids being victims of foul play...
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Patriotism, courage, competence... can be learned in a different setting.. that was my point...
the boy scout's actual "activity-list" is dated, not their "core-message", assuming there is one..
If you mean their 'activity list' as generally being outdoors, hiking, camping, that sort of thing -- I don't think those activities are out of date at all. In fact, for inner city kids it can be a fantastic new experience. And it's not just the BSA that recognizes this; there's a great organization called 'The Fresh Air Fund' whose sole purpose is to get inner city kids into the country, and out of the city. New experiences are always in style. :)
And yes, the BSA has a core message. Several, even. The Boy Scout Motto is: "Be Prepared."
And the whole GAY-issue is all about the concept of SHAME in sexuality... That's really the ONLY thing gay men do differently than straight...
That's it... everything else is exactly the same... we have straight men who are effeminate voiced, and dress like queens.. and we have gay men who are completely lumber-jack macho...
You are correct that the PROBLEM with scouts is parents concerned about their kids being victims of foul play...
That last statement, what are you saying? It's not that clear to me.
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ANYWAY! I'm just going to take it as a given that Scouting is awesome, and a Boy Scout themed keycap would be awesome. Might I suggest a BSa-themed key instead of just an Eagle Scout key, seeing as how the latter group is a relatively rare breed? The BSA logos can be found here:
http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/Marketing/Brand/logos.aspx
The main, traditional logo is pretty complex, probably too complex. But I found this at the link, a more simplified logo:
The leftmost part of it could work. I would contact the BSA, they would probably give their consent to make these.
Edit: Or just find a vectorized fleur-de-lis and call it a BSA logo.
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Smallfry, you're an Eagle Scout? Wish I would have known at the meetup. I am one myself.
Project: put up wooden trail markers at a local county park and accompanying signs and maps. Since then, my project has been overtaken by better trail markers. Tough break.
You ever get to Philmont or any of the other high adventure bases?
I've been to the boundary waters via an outfitter, not the scouts. I've also been to the national jamboree in 2010.
My project was restoring a scoreboard at my high school replaced the incandescent bulbs etc with LED, painted it, and created a new control panel.
Nice project. More interesting than mine.
Boundary Waters is great. I went there for the first time last spring because I always was too busy with sports in high school and summer jobs in college.
I would definitely recommend going to Philmont if you have the chance. A one-of-a-kind place. I worked there for three summers and have incredible memories.
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idk.. eagle scout in this day and age doesn't make much sense...
if you ever get "STUCK" out in the wilderness.. could've all been avoided if you just stood home and watched some TV..
If you wanna truly "BE PREPARED" stay the **** outta the wilderness.... :D
The wilderness is great. I know it's not for everybody, but I have fond memories of any time that I've spent "stuck" in the wilderness.
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Also, about the whole gay issue and religions ties.
I have personally known a few gay Eagle Scouts that of course were not openly gay while in the Scouts. I am sure these men would prefer being open about their sexuality in the Boy Scouts, but I cannot speak for them. On the ground level, most Scouts are accepting that a few people in their ranks might be gay. Most Scouts don't care either way.
If you ever had any gay or lesbian friends, you will know that it's not that big of a deal and they know when they have been too forward with their attractions, just like anybody else. The true character of a person is so much more than their sexuality, and those that condemn by category simply are cowards. It takes more courage to get to know a person and hate them than hate an entire group of people for one measly attribute of their being.
The Boy Scouts do receive a significant amount of funding from the Mormon Church and the Roman Catholic Church. We all know how these organizations stand towards homosexuality. Part of being a Boy Scout is the religious aspect, and being an atheist, I do not completely agree with the religious aspect because plenty of atheists are decent people. Behind the scenes, I assume that some of these major funders have threatened with ceasing their funding and the Boy Scouts have balked at changing their policy towards homosexuality.
While I'm lecturing, it troubles me that kids often ridiculed just for being in the Boy Scouts. It was a source of shame and I was made fun of for being part of the organization. Probably not until the age of 17 or 18 was I proud to say I was a Boy Scout. The values taught to me about being a decent person, some skills, and experiences are valuable to this day. It's unfortunate we don't have more young men that strive to be trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient (not a huge fan of this one), cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.
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We added classy to our oath. We reign true it also.
Also, GB for keys up. Get em while they last. 8 keys left at the moment.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42586.0
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OA in 07, Firecrafter in 08, completed my Eagle Board last Thursday. Very proud of myself. It was a long road coming, but so worth it.
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While I'm lecturing, it troubles me that kids often ridiculed just for being in the Boy Scouts. It was a source of shame and I was made fun of for being part of the organization. Probably not until the age of 17 or 18 was I proud to say I was a Boy Scout. The values taught to me about being a decent person, some skills, and experiences are valuable to this day. It's unfortunate we don't have more young men that strive to be trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient (not a huge fan of this one), cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.
While I admit some of their policies and teachings are a bit old fashioned, they can be quite good for kids as they do give kids a chance to do and see things they wouldn't otherwise, which is great (such as inner city kids out camping). I just think as a whole, they could stand to modernize a bit.
As for the shame, it's not just Scouts, almost any organization working with teens has this problem, teens are just anti... everything. However, not only have the Scouts done little to help that image, the uniforms (which look like a school boy uniforms) aren't exactly helping.
That shaming is a problem with society as a whole as well, not just Scouting. It's like it's okay to be a Scout until you reach teens and only becomes okay again when you reach Eagle, like you only get respect as an Eagle Scout because you stuck with it through all of the ridicule. Honestly, anyone under 20 who sticks with almost anything for that long deserves some credit. I took a lot of grief for things I did in my teens and twenties, those same things are now how I earn a living. It wasn't until I really started earning a living from it that my family finally quit giving me grief.
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While I'm lecturing, it troubles me that kids often ridiculed just for being in the Boy Scouts. It was a source of shame and I was made fun of for being part of the organization. Probably not until the age of 17 or 18 was I proud to say I was a Boy Scout. The values taught to me about being a decent person, some skills, and experiences are valuable to this day. It's unfortunate we don't have more young men that strive to be trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient (not a huge fan of this one), cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.
While I admit some of their policies and teachings are a bit old fashioned, they can be quite good for kids as they do give kids a chance to do and see things they wouldn't otherwise, which is great (such as inner city kids out camping). I just think as a whole, they could stand to modernize a bit.
As for the shame, it's not just Scouts, almost any organization working with teens has this problem, teens are just anti... everything. However, not only have the Scouts done little to help that image, the uniforms (which look like a school boy uniforms) aren't exactly helping.
That shaming is a problem with society as a whole as well, not just Scouting. It's like it's okay to be a Scout until you reach teens and only becomes okay again when you reach Eagle, like you only get respect as an Eagle Scout because you stuck with it through all of the ridicule. Honestly, anyone under 20 who sticks with almost anything for that long deserves some credit. I took a lot of grief for things I did in my teens and twenties, those same things are now how I earn a living. It wasn't until I really started earning a living from it that my family finally quit giving me grief.
Thats not true. I was always proud to be a scout. I was never afraid to talk about it. I met some of my best friends and had amazing leadership experiences through scouting. People should stand up for what they believe in. If someone tried to grief me for it I would tell them all the amazing things I did. Shooting, waterskiing, rock climbing, I can start a fire by friction. It is nothing to be embarrassed of. Also the uniforms look pretty cool if you wear them properly. Lots of scouts wear them with jeans or other ****.
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Thats not true.
Based on the post I quoted, that isn't true for everyone.
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Thats not true.
Based on the post I quoted, that isn't true for everyone.
Boys are often forced by their parents to join. If you are passionate about scouting you won't care about getting made fun of.
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I wasn't forced. I'm glad my parents stuck it out to keep taking me though.
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Eagle scout here. Got mine back in 1985. (yeah, I'm that old) Eagle project was stripping and repainting the playground equipment in a local public park. I'd be down for some Eagle Scout / BSA keys.
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Oh yeah my project was renovating an athletic traning room at a local highschool. I'll post some pictures some time.
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Thats not true.
Based on the post I quoted, that isn't true for everyone.
I think it's implied that it wasn't true for him, or that he just didn't care.
I find uniforms to be a good idea, not just for Scouting but even for school. So much of the nonsense that goes on in schools today centers on what kids wear. A uniform alleviates that and makes a statement; "I'm here on business, the business of learning." I don't think they're dorky at all. In fact, in my area one of the local troops actually decided to wear these crazy Smoky the Bear hats. No joke! It's a sad commentary that some kids today make fun of Scouting because adults have likely taught them to do so. Why? Well, Scouting is unabashedly pro-American. And that just drives some people nuts; today kids are fed a steady curriculum designed to make children ashamed of their country. Scouting does the opposite, and so they pay the price.
As for being 'forced' into Scouting by parents, well, sometimes parents have to push a little to get their kids off the bench. There's nothing wrong with that in my opinion.
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That shaming is a problem with society as a whole as well, not just Scouting. It's like it's okay to be a Scout until you reach teens and only becomes okay again when you reach Eagle, like you only get respect as an Eagle Scout because you stuck with it through all of the ridicule. Honestly, anyone under 20 who sticks with almost anything for that long deserves some credit. I took a lot of grief for things I did in my teens and twenties, those same things are now how I earn a living. It wasn't until I really started earning a living from it that my family finally quit giving me grief.
I never thought about the difficulty of getting teens to stick through something because I just powered through everything as a teen and had strong parental support. Academics, sports, Scouts, whatever. I was a machine and I have no clue how I was such a productive teenager (probably because I didn't go Internet message boards!!!). Those habits set the tone for the rest of my life.
I do remember it being cool to NOT CARE about anything as a teen. So being those kids that blew off everything and messed around was the cool thing.
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While I'm lecturing, it troubles me that kids often ridiculed just for being in the Boy Scouts. It was a source of shame and I was made fun of for being part of the organization. Probably not until the age of 17 or 18 was I proud to say I was a Boy Scout. The values taught to me about being a decent person, some skills, and experiences are valuable to this day. It's unfortunate we don't have more young men that strive to be trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient (not a huge fan of this one), cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.
While I admit some of their policies and teachings are a bit old fashioned, they can be quite good for kids as they do give kids a chance to do and see things they wouldn't otherwise, which is great (such as inner city kids out camping). I just think as a whole, they could stand to modernize a bit.
As for the shame, it's not just Scouts, almost any organization working with teens has this problem, teens are just anti... everything. However, not only have the Scouts done little to help that image, the uniforms (which look like a school boy uniforms) aren't exactly helping.
That shaming is a problem with society as a whole as well, not just Scouting. It's like it's okay to be a Scout until you reach teens and only becomes okay again when you reach Eagle, like you only get respect as an Eagle Scout because you stuck with it through all of the ridicule. Honestly, anyone under 20 who sticks with almost anything for that long deserves some credit. I took a lot of grief for things I did in my teens and twenties, those same things are now how I earn a living. It wasn't until I really started earning a living from it that my family finally quit giving me grief.
Thats not true. I was always proud to be a scout. I was never afraid to talk about it. I met some of my best friends and had amazing leadership experiences through scouting. People should stand up for what they believe in. If someone tried to grief me for it I would tell them all the amazing things I did. Shooting, waterskiing, rock climbing, I can start a fire by friction. It is nothing to be embarrassed of. Also the uniforms look pretty cool if you wear them properly. Lots of scouts wear them with jeans or other ****.
I probably cared way too much about what people thought of me. It's great that you were always proud to be a Scout.
And oh yea, the leadership experiences. I had some wonderful ones as well.
And the uniforms are great. The best getup was wearing the shorts with the knee high socks with the red stripe. That was a classy look. Apparently, they ditched the socks with the red stripe at the top. Those were a great look.
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While I'm lecturing, it troubles me that kids often ridiculed just for being in the Boy Scouts. It was a source of shame and I was made fun of for being part of the organization. Probably not until the age of 17 or 18 was I proud to say I was a Boy Scout. The values taught to me about being a decent person, some skills, and experiences are valuable to this day. It's unfortunate we don't have more young men that strive to be trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient (not a huge fan of this one), cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean and reverent.
While I admit some of their policies and teachings are a bit old fashioned, they can be quite good for kids as they do give kids a chance to do and see things they wouldn't otherwise, which is great (such as inner city kids out camping). I just think as a whole, they could stand to modernize a bit.
As for the shame, it's not just Scouts, almost any organization working with teens has this problem, teens are just anti... everything. However, not only have the Scouts done little to help that image, the uniforms (which look like a school boy uniforms) aren't exactly helping.
That shaming is a problem with society as a whole as well, not just Scouting. It's like it's okay to be a Scout until you reach teens and only becomes okay again when you reach Eagle, like you only get respect as an Eagle Scout because you stuck with it through all of the ridicule. Honestly, anyone under 20 who sticks with almost anything for that long deserves some credit. I took a lot of grief for things I did in my teens and twenties, those same things are now how I earn a living. It wasn't until I really started earning a living from it that my family finally quit giving me grief.
Thats not true. I was always proud to be a scout. I was never afraid to talk about it. I met some of my best friends and had amazing leadership experiences through scouting. People should stand up for what they believe in. If someone tried to grief me for it I would tell them all the amazing things I did. Shooting, waterskiing, rock climbing, I can start a fire by friction. It is nothing to be embarrassed of. Also the uniforms look pretty cool if you wear them properly. Lots of scouts wear them with jeans or other ****.
I probably cared way too much about what people thought of me. It's great that you were always proud to be a Scout.
And oh yea, the leadership experiences. I had some wonderful ones as well.
And the uniforms are great. The best getup was wearing the shorts with the knee high socks with the red stripe. That was a classy look. Apparently, they ditched the socks with the red stripe at the top. Those were a great look.
Yeah I miss the red stripes. They're reaaaally hard to find nowadays.
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Yeah I miss the red stripes. They're reaaaally hard to find nowadays.
I'm tempted to pull mine out of storage and offer to sell them to you. But I might work for the Boy Scouts again for a summer if I go back to grad school and I would love to sport those socks around camp.
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I wish I could do camp staff. But in our council they only pay you for 1 hour a day, 23 hours volunteer. If I did it, it wouldn't be for the money, just the experience. But with college coming up I need all the money I can get this summer.
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I find uniforms to be a good idea, not just for Scouting but even for school. So much of the nonsense that goes on in schools today centers on what kids wear. A uniform alleviates that and makes a statement; "I'm here on business, the business of learning."
I do agree to an extent, but not entirely.
In US (and British) prisons, men wear uniforms, depending on where and what level of security, the women may or may not. Men's focus on fashion revolves around using clothing to make a statements such as affiliation, lifestyle, etc... Keeping them all looking alike is part of keeping control by placing them on a similar level. Male prison wear can even be used as part of their punishment, such as pink jumpsuits or underwear (essentially feminizing them).
On the other hand, fashion is more of an extension of a woman's personality, and less about a statement or affiliation. Women will be just as catty regardless of wearing the same thing, and in fact, it can even make them worse since women hate seeing another woman wearing the same thing as them.
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I find uniforms to be a good idea, not just for Scouting but even for school. So much of the nonsense that goes on in schools today centers on what kids wear. A uniform alleviates that and makes a statement; "I'm here on business, the business of learning."
What I never understood, though, is when you look at many excellent schools that DON'T have uniform policies, they don't bring that in as a discussion point. I think people like the uniform answer because it's something they can do in failing, and especially poor, schools, that doesn't involve spending money or getting parents to actually be interested in their children's schooling.
I don't think they're dorky at all. In fact, in my area one of the local troops actually decided to wear these crazy Smoky the Bear hats. No joke! It's a sad commentary that some kids today make fun of Scouting because adults have likely taught them to do so. Why?
Because it sticks out and has a mildly anachronistic appearance? If your school had a club where the kids all dressed up in period-accurate Confederate military uniforms, or Neon Genesis Evangelon plug-suits, your kids would laugh at them too, no matter how well executed the outfits were.
These are kids and teenagers-- creating identities by establishing in and out groups is a big part of their life.
Well, Scouting is unabashedly pro-American. And that just drives some people nuts; today kids are fed a steady curriculum designed to make children ashamed of their country. Scouting does the opposite, and so they pay the price.
But won't an attitude of patriotism and national pride make them less likely to demand more from their institutions? Sorry to cheapen it by metaphor, but isn't a patriot little more than a nation-state fanboy?
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This isn't a thread to bash scouting. If you don't like the organization, move on and don't post.
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In US (and British) prisons, men wear uniforms, depending on where and what level of security, the women may or may not. Men's focus on fashion revolves around using clothing to make a statements such as affiliation, lifestyle, etc... Keeping them all looking alike is part of keeping control by placing them on a similar level. Male prison wear can even be used as part of their punishment, such as pink jumpsuits or underwear (essentially feminizing them).
On the other hand, fashion is more of an extension of a woman's personality, and less about a statement or affiliation. Women will be just as catty regardless of wearing the same thing, and in fact, it can even make them worse since women hate seeing another woman wearing the same thing as them.
That sounds very reasonable. I'm just not sure how prison uniforms relate to Scout uniforms. Prisoners wear uniforms (as I see it) so that they are easily identifiable as prisoners (stripes or safety orange in the U.S. prison systems) so they can be spotted if they try to escape, etc. How would any of that relate to Scout uniforms?
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But won't an attitude of patriotism and national pride make them less likely to demand more from their institutions?
No. Scouting emphasizes service to your country -- not about making demands. In order to become an Eagle Scout, the highest rank in Scouting, the Scout must put together a plan to build something that will benefit the local community in some concrete way. It could be a bicycle track, a sign for the high school, something that helps. Scouting is about service.
When you say, "demand more" from institutions, do you mean "more" in terms of morality, and integrity? If so, then Scouting already has very high moral and ethical standards -- far higher than that displayed by your typical politician. If you mean "more" in the sense of "more stuff, more services" then probably not. Scouting is designed to freight a young man with useful skills. It hearkens back to a time when rugged individualism was an American ideal. Individual liberty and strength is less of an ideal today -- infantilization of citizens is what's in style nowadays.
Sorry to cheapen it by metaphor, but isn't a patriot little more than a nation-state fanboy?
That's how most Europeans feel about nationalism; it's treated as a kind of disease, something to avoid. Scouting has a very strong streak of American Exceptionalism about it -- the sense that America is uniquely special, deserving of protection. Loving your country doesn't mean you're blind to its problems. But you're absolutely correct -- that kind of sentiment is not in style, it is anachronistic. But I would rather be an anachronism than a hipster socialist who worships government rather than making themselves into a stronger individual.
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I want to delete this post.
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Indianapolis aw shiet. Im in Fishers.
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That sounds very reasonable. I'm just not sure how prison uniforms relate to Scout uniforms. Prisoners wear uniforms (as I see it) so that they are easily identifiable as prisoners (stripes or safety orange in the U.S. prison systems) so they can be spotted if they try to escape, etc. How would any of that relate to Scout uniforms?
It was about school uniforms, prison is just school on steroids minus the classroom.
As I said, not all prisons require uniforms, even those that do, it's not always orange, pink or stripes. More than a few use denim.
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That sounds very reasonable. I'm just not sure how prison uniforms relate to Scout uniforms. Prisoners wear uniforms (as I see it) so that they are easily identifiable as prisoners (stripes or safety orange in the U.S. prison systems) so they can be spotted if they try to escape, etc. How would any of that relate to Scout uniforms?
It was about school uniforms, prison is just school on steroids minus the classroom.
As I said, not all prisons require uniforms, even those that do, it's not always orange, pink or stripes. More than a few use denim.
Well in prisons also have free healthcare, free education, television...
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That sounds very reasonable. I'm just not sure how prison uniforms relate to Scout uniforms. Prisoners wear uniforms (as I see it) so that they are easily identifiable as prisoners (stripes or safety orange in the U.S. prison systems) so they can be spotted if they try to escape, etc. How would any of that relate to Scout uniforms?
It was about school uniforms, prison is just school on steroids minus the classroom.
As I said, not all prisons require uniforms, even those that do, it's not always orange, pink or stripes. More than a few use denim.
Well in prisons also have free healthcare, free education, television...
Not sure what that has to do with it.
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Indianapolis aw shiet. Im in Fishers.
Nice. The mean streets of Indianapolis are a little different than the 'burbs. You guys need an adult leader for Philmont anytime soon? I will gladly go. I'm sorta serious, but not really serious.
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Indianapolis aw shiet. Im in Fishers.
Nice. The mean streets of Indianapolis are a little different than the 'burbs. You guys need an adult leader for Philmont anytime soon? I will gladly go. I'm sorta serious, but not really serious.
I wouldn't do Philmont so I wouldn't really know, and I'm bout to age out so meh.
I had the opportunity to do Sea Base but **** happened. You a Firecrafter?
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you know which types of scouts i hate when i met them at the jamboree's? the mid-westerns. they all wore the stupid bolo-tie... that's not being a uniformed scout! there are 101 ways to make use of that dorky neckerchief and only 1 way to make use of the even sillier bolo tie.
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holy crap, offtopic
i found a series called
are you tougher than a boy scout
i think it's history channel, google it!
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Indianapolis aw shiet. Im in Fishers.
Nice. The mean streets of Indianapolis are a little different than the 'burbs. You guys need an adult leader for Philmont anytime soon? I will gladly go. I'm sorta serious, but not really serious.
I wouldn't do Philmont so I wouldn't really know, and I'm bout to age out so meh.
I had the opportunity to do Sea Base but **** happened. You a Firecrafter?
No I'm not a Firecrafter. I didn't even know what that was until I looked it up. I wasn't active with the Crossroads of America council, but a different one up north in Indiana.
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Indianapolis aw shiet. Im in Fishers.
Nice. The mean streets of Indianapolis are a little different than the 'burbs. You guys need an adult leader for Philmont anytime soon? I will gladly go. I'm sorta serious, but not really serious.
I wouldn't do Philmont so I wouldn't really know, and I'm bout to age out so meh.
I had the opportunity to do Sea Base but **** happened. You a Firecrafter?
No I'm not a Firecrafter. I didn't even know what that was until I looked it up. I wasn't active with the Crossroads of America council, but a different one up north in Indiana.
Ah makes sense.