Will you bring the LEMO in the render as extra? BT support would be proper too. QMK/VIA?
one of the most famous pathologists of all time
Is the right shift a 1.25u?
Will you bring the LEMO in the render as extra? BT support would be proper too. QMK/VIA?
haha no, you're on your own for cables. no way i can get a BT signal out of this dense lad, but yes the PCB is QMK-compatible. worldspawn will write the firmware once we get the proto PCBs.
What is this?! A tiny Satisfaction 75? :-*
What is this?! A tiny Satisfaction 75? :-*Satisfaction75-unnecessary switches+extra space+portability = my expectation
What is this?! A tiny Satisfaction 75? :-*jk lol ;D
Any chance for a red polycarbonate version
looks dope as fu can we also get a Ortholinear pcb/plate version?
looks dope as fu can we also get a Ortholinear pcb/plate version?
You would have an extra 0.25u on that bottom row
looks dope as fu can we also get a Ortholinear pcb/plate version?
You would have an extra 0.25u on that bottom row
Not really into 45% keyboards, but please consider selling the knobs? I would buy 2.
looks dope as fu can we also get a Ortholinear pcb/plate version?
You would have an extra 0.25u on that bottom row
actually....
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ne interest avail?
Yeah, same.
Make it wider and give us
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Other than that I think it is beautiful
Yeah, same.
Make it wider and give us
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-------> [ ? / ] [shift]
Other than that I think it is beautiful
You already broke the golden rule of 40% by keeping the arrow cluster. Might as well keep the quote key. Too useful for the English language.
Yeah, same.
Make it wider and give us
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-------> [ ? / ] [shift]
Other than that I think it is beautiful
You already broke the golden rule of 40% by keeping the arrow cluster. Might as well keep the quote key. Too useful for the English language.
45 percent-- best layout! This looks chonky and great.
hey! i see there is a clamoring in the thread for "full alphas" (i.e. another column to the right of ;/:). while i hear what you are saying, this probably won't happen with this project, for the following two reasons. first, the demand for this in the interest check form is quite low. 744 people have filled out the form so far (insane), and only 7 have requested something along these lines. to scale this interest, 11 people have requested I make a 65% and 14 have requested a 60% in the form. this means democratically, it isn't something most people interested in the board want added, and pales in comparison to requests for ortholinear support (~60) and a polycarbonate case option (~50), both of which i am working on adding to the final buy. second, i am planning to roll out a 50% or larger layout after i run this board, so i think that might be more interest for those who think of 'incomplete alphas' as a no-go. there is still a lot to explore in ~50% layouts, and i have some ideas i want to try after Neuron and Cajal, so my advice is just stay tuned and u shouldn't have to wait more than a few months for something that would match your preferences without compromise.
have a polycarbonate render for your time. <3
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first, the demand for this in the interest check form is quite low. 744 people have filled out the form so far (insane), and only 7 have requested something along these lines. to scale this interest, 11 people have requested I make a 65% and 14 have requested a 60% in the form. this means democratically, it isn't something most people interested in the board want added, and pales in comparison to requests for ortholinear support (~60) and a polycarbonate case option (~50), both of which i am working on adding to the final buy.
I understand if it would be too much of a design change to implement here
Out of curiosity, would it be possible to assemble this board without the diffuser? Any ortho renders inc?
I understand if it would be too much of a design change to implement here
unfortunately i think it is, and since we are at 759 responses to the IC form as of this moment, i am not eager to alter a design that has received such an overwhelmingly warm response. like i said in an earlier response, if you're someone with whom full alphas are a dealbreaker, the 50% i will release after this should fit your preferences better. the goal of the Cajal project was to produce a premium 45%, and i feel i have achieved that goal.Out of curiosity, would it be possible to assemble this board without the diffuser? Any ortho renders inc?
because the diffuser is part of the usb-c hole, it might compress the connector if you omit it, but i can check this when the prototypes arrive and perhaps alter the design slightly to accommodate it. no ortho renders at the moment, but i should complete the ortho plate design this weekend, submit for prototypes early next week, and get some renders ready in a week or two :)
unfortunately i think it is, and since we are at 759 responses to the IC form as of this moment, i am not eager to alter a design that has received such an overwhelmingly warm response. like i said in an earlier response, if you're someone with whom full alphas are a dealbreaker, the 50% i will release after this should fit your preferences better. the goal of the Cajal project was to produce a premium 45%, and i feel i have achieved that goal.
@walletburner Do you have Discord or mailing list?
Very nice! Only Hotswap PCB available? I want a soldered PCB.
rose gold version?
E white or Rose gold and I’m in. Better yet, E-white and PVD rose gold on a brass knob.hmm not bad ideas :D ill see what i can do
Very nice! Only Hotswap PCB available? I want a soldered PCB.
+1 to soldered pcb
Omg thank you :D Can't wait to get my hands on it!rose gold version?E white or Rose gold and I’m in. Better yet, E-white and PVD rose gold on a brass knob.hmm not bad ideas :D ill see what i can do
i forgot to ask for it in the IC i filled out but can we get an all 1u ortho layout or can it only support a 2u spacebar?
hey! i see there is a clamoring in the thread for "full alphas" (i.e. another column to the right of ;/:). while i hear what you are saying, this probably won't happen with this project, for the following two reasons. first, the demand for this in the interest check form is quite low. 744 people have filled out the form so far (insane), and only 7 have requested something along these lines. to scale this interest, 11 people have requested I make a 65% and 14 have requested a 60% in the form. this means democratically, it isn't something most people interested in the board want added, and pales in comparison to requests for ortholinear support (~60) and a polycarbonate case option (~50), both of which i am working on adding to the final buy. second, i am planning to roll out a 50% or larger layout after i run this board, so i think that might be more interest for those who think of 'incomplete alphas' as a no-go. there is still a lot to explore in ~50% layouts, and i have some ideas i want to try after Neuron and Cajal, so my advice is just stay tuned and u shouldn't have to wait more than a few months for something that would match your preferences without compromise.
have a polycarbonate render for your time. <3
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First thank you for listening carefully to what folks say.
I believe 45% size is more concentrated on pure typing experience and I believe full alpha will serve the purpose even better.
I didn't show the interest explicitly assuming dimension involved changing at this stage is hard and I think there could be many people who thought like me.
But if you are OK with the change if there is enough interest, I'm in for full alpha.
I believe you may see different result if you have another IC form to choose between full alpha and traditional 45% layout.
I guess asking for 60, 65% is more like asking blue out of red while 45% full alpha is orange.
I would wait for your next project for larger size keyboard.
hey! i see there is a clamoring in the thread for "full alphas" (i.e. another column to the right of ;/:). while i hear what you are saying, this probably won't happen with this project, for the following two reasons. first, the demand for this in the interest check form is quite low. 744 people have filled out the form so far (insane), and only 7 have requested something along these lines. to scale this interest, 11 people have requested I make a 65% and 14 have requested a 60% in the form. this means democratically, it isn't something most people interested in the board want added, and pales in comparison to requests for ortholinear support (~60) and a polycarbonate case option (~50), both of which i am working on adding to the final buy. second, i am planning to roll out a 50% or larger layout after i run this board, so i think that might be more interest for those who think of 'incomplete alphas' as a no-go. there is still a lot to explore in ~50% layouts, and i have some ideas i want to try after Neuron and Cajal, so my advice is just stay tuned and u shouldn't have to wait more than a few months for something that would match your preferences without compromise.
have a polycarbonate render for your time. <3
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First thank you for listening carefully to what folks say.
I believe 45% size is more concentrated on pure typing experience and I believe full alpha will serve the purpose even better.
I didn't show the interest explicitly assuming dimension involved changing at this stage is hard and I think there could be many people who thought like me.
But if you are OK with the change if there is enough interest, I'm in for full alpha.
I believe you may see different result if you have another IC form to choose between full alpha and traditional 45% layout.
I guess asking for 60, 65% is more like asking blue out of red while 45% full alpha is orange.
I would wait for your next project for larger size keyboard.
What is the point of having a board the size of a sixty but less functional, just for the sake of how it looks. One more time, to each its own.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/scEBsUx.jpg)
Not sure how different sandblasted brass and champagne gold are, but a champagne gold would be a nice color. For either the knob or case. I'm pretty set on the blue, but a champagne gold would make me reconsider.
How does the gasket + stoppers system work?
4.4 lbs though
I wish his next version has 65% minus # row, all the features that Cajal has + BT and HotSwap PCB.
I'm definitely in for that project.
Not sure how different sandblasted brass and champagne gold are, but a champagne gold would be a nice color. For either the knob or case. I'm pretty set on the blue, but a champagne gold would make me reconsider.
when i think "champagne gold", i think of basically the color that sandblasted brass is. i would probably only do one or the other, leaning towards brass because it might feel better because of its mass.How does the gasket + stoppers system work?
4.4 lbs though
basically the plate is sandwiched between adhesive-backed nitrile strips, then attached to the case via a screw that goes through a hole in the trapezoidal stoppers through a slit in the plate to attach it to the case. it isn't a design style that has been tried yet (to my knowledge), but i think it will allow people to adjust their gasket tension to their preferences. i will take pictures when the prototypes arrive :)
I wish his next version has 65% minus # row, all the features that Cajal has + BT and HotSwap PCB.
I'm definitely in for that project.
it's a pretty long ways out. i am about to ship Neuron, then i will focus on Cajal, then ??. but i have some preliminary designs for a 50% that i will share here on GH when the timing is right..
it's a pretty long ways out. i am about to ship Neuron, then i will focus on Cajal, then ??. but i have some preliminary designs for a 50% that i will share here on GH when the timing is right..
Any news on the Ortho version/plate/pcb?
I guess there's no chance of a PCB that supports both normal stagger and ortho, huh?Any news on the Ortho version/plate/pcb?
Absolutely.
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Work on an ortho PCB is ongoing, but the ortho plate was designed over the holidays. Considering brass and POM as possible ortho plate materials. Will support 1u x 2, 2u, and 7u spacebar, with the 7u meaning it needs to be a solderable PCB not hotswap. Unlike Neuron, I am thinking I will just make the ortho plate and PCB available for the same price than as an add-on item, so people who want the Cajal in ortho configuration order won't need to spend more.
I guess there's no chance of a PCB that supports both normal stagger and ortho, huh?Any news on the Ortho version/plate/pcb?
Absolutely.
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Work on an ortho PCB is ongoing, but the ortho plate was designed over the holidays. Considering brass and POM as possible ortho plate materials. Will support 1u x 2, 2u, and 7u spacebar, with the 7u meaning it needs to be a solderable PCB not hotswap. Unlike Neuron, I am thinking I will just make the ortho plate and PCB available for the same price than as an add-on item, so people who want the Cajal in ortho configuration order won't need to spend more.
I'm that weirdo who wants the combination of ortho alpha and normal mods :)
@ideus
It is my understanding based on the other boards this creator has done and uses that this is NOT a 65% that has had functionality removed to be replaced by "art". I guess that is what you meant by the screenshot of the Venus de Milo. I believe this board is a 40% that has been expanded to include a little more functionality than a typical 40 would have, including some "art". Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe your argument is based on a perspective that a line should be drawn for keyboards based on the physical size as much as the number of keys in an attempt to conserve precious space. Something we all value in MK, I think. But I believe this board is an attempt to be a larger 40% (45%) rather than smaller 60/65% board, to strike a balance between form and function that is unique.
I think I understand your perspective and I don't disagree with it. If I were interested in this board but really wanted it to be 60/65% I would feel just as you do. In fact I have felt that way before. However, as someone who has always looked at a 40% and felt there was always something missing from the layout, I look at this board as the perfect balance between design and use. I can get all the functionality I truly need and the design is pleasing as well. Thank you, ideus, for giving me something interesting to think about, happy to read your reply if you write.
I guess there's no chance of a PCB that supports both normal stagger and ortho, huh?
I'm that weirdo who wants the combination of ortho alpha and normal mods :)
Anyway this lookds great. Hope it will be out soon.
I guess there's no chance of a PCB that supports both normal stagger and ortho, huh?
I'm that weirdo who wants the combination of ortho alpha and normal mods :)
Anyway this lookds great. Hope it will be out soon.
The thing is, PCB layouts are always a sensitive topic, since you're essentially asking everyone to pay more to support YOUR configuration and not theirs.
Ortho alphas with normal mods would a very niche keyboard.
I hope you understand what you are really asking of OP *and* everyone here.
I guess there's no chance of a PCB that supports both normal stagger and ortho, huh?
I'm that weirdo who wants the combination of ortho alpha and normal mods :)
Anyway this lookds great. Hope it will be out soon.
The thing is, PCB layouts are always a sensitive topic, since you're essentially asking everyone to pay more to support YOUR configuration and not theirs.
Ortho alphas with normal mods would a very niche keyboard.
I hope you understand what you are really asking of OP *and* everyone here.
This is said in jest by the way. Just pointing out what's been raised in other threads.
I guess there's no chance of a PCB that supports both normal stagger and ortho, huh?
I'm that weirdo who wants the combination of ortho alpha and normal mods :)
Anyway this lookds great. Hope it will be out soon.
The thing is, PCB layouts are always a sensitive topic, since you're essentially asking everyone to pay more to support YOUR configuration and not theirs.
Ortho alphas with normal mods would a very niche keyboard.
I hope you understand what you are really asking of OP *and* everyone here.
Grabbing popcorn for this mild drama (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100396.msg2835034#msg2835034).
@ideus
It is my understanding based on the other boards this creator has done and uses that this is NOT a 65% that has had functionality removed to be replaced by "art". I guess that is what you meant by the screenshot of the Venus de Milo. I believe this board is a 40% that has been expanded to include a little more functionality than a typical 40 would have, including some "art". Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe your argument is based on a perspective that a line should be drawn for keyboards based on the physical size as much as the number of keys in an attempt to conserve precious space. Something we all value in MK, I think. But I believe this board is an attempt to be a larger 40% (45%) rather than smaller 60/65% board, to strike a balance between form and function that is unique.
I think I understand your perspective and I don't disagree with it. If I were interested in this board but really wanted it to be 60/65% I would feel just as you do. In fact I have felt that way before. However, as someone who has always looked at a 40% and felt there was always something missing from the layout, I look at this board as the perfect balance between design and use. I can get all the functionality I truly need and the design is pleasing as well. Thank you, ideus, for giving me something interesting to think about, happy to read your reply if you write.
I regret my post, so I apologize with the OP for tread-crapping his IC. The board is beautiful and for people that like the format is a great opportunity to get one of the best 40 designs available. I am typing this on a 50 percent board that I like; yet, I think that it is a bit frustrating at times, when a shifted function is needed frequently. Anyways, I hope this IC gets successful.
Yeah i didn't understand that though, that link goes to another GH thread? Was he talking about this thread or the other thread?
Yeah i didn't understand that though, that link goes to another GH thread? Was he talking about this thread or the other thread?
In another IC, Ngyuen and I had a contentious back and forth because I asked the runner to add a key for Minivan support (where minivan was one of the renders). Ngyuen said I was placing a burden on the community by forcing those without minivans to pay for my one minivan key. Then they asked OP here to support ortho alphas and normal mods on the PCB - literally changing the PCB design. I just thought it was a funny/surprising ask here given their stance on adding a single keycap in another IC, so I quoted their own post back to them as a joke.
Eh that was just a long shot.Yeah i didn't understand that though, that link goes to another GH thread? Was he talking about this thread or the other thread?
In another IC, Ngyuen and I had a contentious back and forth because I asked the runner to add a key for Minivan support (where minivan was one of the renders). Ngyuen said I was placing a burden on the community by forcing those without minivans to pay for my one minivan key. Then they asked OP here to support ortho alphas and normal mods on the PCB - literally changing the PCB design. I just thought it was a funny/surprising ask here given their stance on adding a single keycap in another IC, so I quoted their own post back to them as a joke.
Full alphas, even if it is ortho - joking aside - may give this IC a better outlook.
It's a vocal minority. For all we know making it full alpha could decrease its popularity.
Full alphas, even if it is ortho - joking aside - may give this IC a better outlook.
actually the board has received an extremely warm response, with >1200 IC form responses in under 2 months, and 3 prototypes are currently under production. the layout is not changing at this point. if you want a 50%, I guess you'll have to either buy a TMO50 or wait for my next project. i hope you find what you're looking for.
Any news on the Ortho version/plate/pcb?
Absolutely.
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Work on an ortho PCB is ongoing, but the ortho plate was designed over the holidays. Considering brass and POM as possible ortho plate materials. Will support 1u x 2, 2u, and 7u spacebar, with the 7u meaning it needs to be a solderable PCB not hotswap. Unlike Neuron, I am thinking I will just make the ortho plate and PCB available for the same price than as an add-on item, so people who want the Cajal in ortho configuration order won't need to spend more.
Damn, this really does look perfect. It's a similar layout to what I'm rocking.
Any way of convincing you into a hotswap PCB instead of purely soldered one for Ortho? :))
Also, what do you think the timeline is for this to go into GB stages, or at least final configurations (i.e colors and options)?
Looking forward to throwing my wallet's contents at ya
Awesome news. Haha. Was wondering if chocs were an option, but understand why it'd be hard with this case. Looking forward to seeing the PC option.Damn, this really does look perfect. It's a similar layout to what I'm rocking.
Any way of convincing you into a hotswap PCB instead of purely soldered one for Ortho? :))
Also, what do you think the timeline is for this to go into GB stages, or at least final configurations (i.e colors and options)?
Looking forward to throwing my wallet's contents at ya
because of the stabilizers for 2u and 7u spacebar, the bottom row can't be hotswap, and if the bottom row will need to be soldered, my current thinking is that we should just make the whole PCB solderable. the question of making the top 3 rows hotswap and the bottom row solderable has been brought up elsewhere, but to me this is a half-measure. the good news w a solderable non-hotswap PCB is that the ortho PCB should also support ALPS. we were going to make it choc switch compatible as well, but i sunk the plate so far that the top of the choc caps wont even come up to the sides of the case :D
as for timeline, as i said above, 3x prototypes are being made now (2 alu, 1 PC). once they get here i will do QC and see if another iteration of prototypes are necessary, or give everyone a "final update" on here and r/mechmarket. looking at maybe April-ish for GB opening, depending on the things above. i'll give a reasonable few weeks notice before opening, and will probably send out an email to everyone who fills out the IC form when it's open.
Damn, this really does look perfect. It's a similar layout to what I'm rocking.
Any way of convincing you into a hotswap PCB instead of purely soldered one for Ortho? :))
Also, what do you think the timeline is for this to go into GB stages, or at least final configurations (i.e colors and options)?
Looking forward to throwing my wallet's contents at ya
because of the stabilizers for 2u and 7u spacebar, the bottom row can't be hotswap, and if the bottom row will need to be soldered, my current thinking is that we should just make the whole PCB solderable. the question of making the top 3 rows hotswap and the bottom row solderable has been brought up elsewhere, but to me this is a half-measure. the good news w a solderable non-hotswap PCB is that the ortho PCB should also support ALPS. we were going to make it choc switch compatible as well, but i sunk the plate so far that the top of the choc caps wont even come up to the sides of the case :D
as for timeline, as i said above, 3x prototypes are being made now (2 alu, 1 PC). once they get here i will do QC and see if another iteration of prototypes are necessary, or give everyone a "final update" on here and r/mechmarket. looking at maybe April-ish for GB opening, depending on the things above. i'll give a reasonable few weeks notice before opening, and will probably send out an email to everyone who fills out the IC form when it's open.
Can't wait to see that polycarb ortho!
Any chance at all for 2x2u support for ortho? Was sad to see it not included in the original listing. :(
Any chance at all for 2x2u support for ortho? Was sad to see it not included in the original listing. :(
hmm not a bad idea, i'll see what we can do.
Did i read that right... Hotswap is no more?
Looks really nice! It's too bad that I can't really afford it right now :(God gave you two kidneys for times like this. You only need one.
Looks really nice! It's too bad that I can't really afford it right now :(God gave you two kidneys for times like this. You only need one.
first, the demand for this in the interest check form is quite low. 744 people have filled out the form so far (insane), and only 7 have requested something along these lines. to scale this interest, 11 people have requested I make a 65% and 14 have requested a 60% in the form. this means democratically, it isn't something most people interested in the board want added, and pales in comparison to requests for ortholinear support (~60) and a polycarbonate case option (~50), both of which i am working on adding to the final buy.
Just sayin', but using responses to a completely open-ended question to gauge relative interest in unspecified features is going to potentially give you staggeringly inaccurate results. If you actually care about doing it "democratically" (which tbh it's fine if you don't), you should be polling on specific layouts. Otherwise you might end up with a scenario where, say, a majority would prefer Layout A but assumed it wouldn't be on the table so there was no point in asking, while fans of Layout B, while fewer in number, were more bold about requesting it.
It could be that your initial assumptions are right; but there are just too many factors in play to be at all certain about the relevance of responses to an open-end that open-ended.
I believe you may see different result if you have another IC form to choose between full alpha and traditional 45% layout.
Any chance at all for 2x2u support for ortho? Was sad to see it not included in the original listing. :(
hmm not a bad idea, i'll see what we can do.
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Right. That's not going to stop people from wanting to use a board whose design they like in a manner that's most convenient for them. :P
But then why come into an IC and ask for a change that is completely different than what the designer is looking to do? Adding another column or row or whatever COMPLETELY changes the design of nearly every aspect of the board including the case. Asking for Ortho, while still annoying IMO, is a little less intrusive because the 1U setup fits almost everything anyway.
It's one thing to come into an IC and say "This isn't for me, but it looks nice." It's completely asinine and bonkers to come into an IC and ask for a completely different layout that will literally change dimensions on a board.
Can we just enjoy the updates?
Any chance for renders of those any time soon?
Also, any updates on 2x2u support on ortho, by any chance? That one im still crossing fingers for!
Alps support would be nice
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Also, any updates on 2x2u support on ortho, by any chance? That one im still crossing fingers for!
i'll have to check again but my understanding is this will smash right into some of the existing stab cutouts. will send an update if it's doable.
Probably not the best place to ask, but it's on topic-ish: what's so great/different about Alps compared to MX?Nothing really. Just different. Feel and sound very different.
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Just ordered an Alps switch tester!Probably not the best place to ask, but it's on topic-ish: what's so great/different about Alps compared to MX?Nothing really. Just different. Feel and sound very different.
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That's pretty tight. Yeah. Theyre just no longer produced. Harder to find. Expensive, depending on what your looking for. Honestly it's a cool experiment for someone whose never used them before, and a go-to for someone who has and really liked them. But MX switches are great too.Just ordered an Alps switch tester!Probably not the best place to ask, but it's on topic-ish: what's so great/different about Alps compared to MX?Nothing really. Just different. Feel and sound very different.
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Missed your neuron boards. 100% in on this one.
Very very excited and in for this.
Not a native 40% user, but I really, really like this.
Any possibility of alternative bottom row support (1.25, 1.25, 6.25, 1.25)?
Understandable if not; I'm likely in the minority with this one.
Forgot to mention in my google form but +1 for non-hotswap PCB option, even if i have to pay extra :D
Hauntingly beautiful ... rly eta? :)
I just received 3 prototypes (1 x Space Grey, 1 x Bushido Red, 1 x Cotton Candy Pink PC) for testing and evaluation. Assuming there aren't any issues with fit, feel, or function, the biggest unknown right now is the international coronavirus pandemic. While I do not anticipate issues with production, I know many people whose jobs are completely evaporating at the moment, and I would hate for the group-buy to coincide with a time of financial and social insecurity for people who have watched and supported this project from the beginning. I will be keep a keen eye on things and make a decision after testing.
Any chance for a colab with Rama for a big ass knob? =)I second this, I would love it to have a Rama knob too
Anyone have any experience with the durability and finish of e-white compared to anodization?is e-white not an anodized?
Nah. E-coating deposits paint using electric current. Anodizing changes the top layer of the aluminum via chemical processes.Anyone have any experience with the durability and finish of e-white compared to anodization?is e-white not an anodized?
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Nah. E-coating deposits paint using electric current. Anodizing changes the top layer of the aluminum via chemical processes.powder-coating?
Nah. E-coating deposits paint using electric current. Anodizing changes the top layer of the aluminum via chemical processes.powder-coating?
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Nah. E-coating deposits paint using electric current. Anodizing changes the top layer of the aluminum via chemical processes.powder-coating?
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e-white = electrophoresis
powder coating isn't very favoured in keyboards given the thickness of the coating on the product, and how to make it work you need to plug the screw holes which is just excess effort for a worse finish
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We've got a chonky boy on our hands. More pics as builds are completed :D
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We've got a chonky boy on our hands. More pics as builds are completed :D
BEAUTIFUL!!! Would love to see an Ortho build!
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We've got a chonky boy on our hands. More pics as builds are completed :D
BEAUTIFUL!!! Would love to see an Ortho build!
Like this?
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We've got a chonky boy on our hands. More pics as builds are completed :D
BEAUTIFUL!!! Would love to see an Ortho build!
Like this?
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Hol up,
I was interested but that, that is not legal.
It looks way to good.
I'd say it's more of a pink PC. Red pc is def red.
It looks great tho. Fits the cajal's chunk perfectly.I'd say it's more of a pink PC. Red pc is def red.
Correct, this is a cotton candy pink that may or may not be available in the GB :cool:
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It has been added :)Like this?
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Now that's an ortho board that I could get down with! Any updates on the 2×2u space support?
It has been added :)
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We've got a chonky boy on our hands. More pics as builds are completed :D
BEAUTIFUL!!! Would love to see an Ortho build!
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We've got a chonky boy on our hands. More pics as builds are completed :D
BEAUTIFUL!!! Would love to see an Ortho build!
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I love this cotton candy pink PC case, been trying to avoid you be taking my money once this GB startsI'd say it's more of a pink PC. Red pc is def red.
Correct, this is a cotton candy pink that may or may not be available in the GB :cool:
never considered a 45$.... but this looks good
never considered a 45$.... but this looks good
Wish it was
Including me, make that THREE.....never considered a 45$.... but this looks good
Wish it was
Make that two of us. Wonder what favor we would have to do to get that price :p
never considered a 45$.... but this looks good
Wish it was
Make that two of us. Wonder what favor we would have to do to get that price :p
never considered a 45$.... but this looks good
Wish it was
Make that two of us. Wonder what favor we would have to do to get that price :p
kidney?
never considered a 45$.... but this looks good
Wish it was
Make that two of us. Wonder what favor we would have to do to get that price :p
kidney?
Oh.... that's a rather wholesome favor. I was definitely thinking along those lines too. :-X
never considered a 45$.... but this looks good
Wish it was
Make that two of us. Wonder what favor we would have to do to get that price :p
kidney?
Oh.... that's a rather wholesome favor. I was definitely thinking along those lines too. :-X
There are too many nice boards, caps and switches recently even to catch up reading for.
Either Cajal or Adelie will be my very last board in a few years otherwise my wife will sell my organs if I don't.
I just hope the GB starts soon and I can get one, then all my agony will fly away because I'll shut down all keeb related accounts.
Good luck with you too. ;)
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BEAUTIFUL!!! Would love to see an Ortho build!
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Also are there any videos of the prototype? Or anything along those lines?
Also are there any videos of the prototype? Or anything along those lines?
None yet, but will keep posting hype pics on insta (@walletburnerkb) and r/mk so keep your peepers peeled :) Once I sort out some daughterboard stuff I'll try to remember to take a good video with the lights on.
Some more pictures of the prototypes>.>
Some more pictures of the prototypes
anxiously waiting for the groupbuy :)
hopefully all colors teased will be offered! :thumb:
anxiously waiting for the groupbuy :)
hopefully all colors teased will be offered! :thumb:
What color are you interested in? It's down to three colors for me, cool ranch, red, or the acrylic pink. The more I thank it's prob cool ranch or acrylic pink.
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Too bad about the cool ranch, that was definitely my first choice. Happy to have the option for any of the others when the gb starts though.sorry to hear that but satisfying to know that the name checks out. I'll see if i can squeeze it in!
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sorry to hear that but satisfying to know that the name checks out. I'll see if i can squeeze it in!
Too bad about the cool ranch, that was definitely my first choice. Happy to have the option for any of the others when the gb starts though.Same here, I really wanted that cool ranch color too....
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It'd be fantastic if you could squeeze in a full brass version. To burn all the wallets to the ground.Stop it!!!! D: my wallet is scared
Too bad about the cool ranch, that was definitely my first choice. Happy to have the option for any of the others when the gb starts though.sorry to hear that but satisfying to know that the name checks out. I'll see if i can squeeze it in!
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Group-buy opens on June 1st, 2020 on Waletburner.co! Check the post for new info :) Get hype y'allNice, will cool ranch pop up for
Group-buy opens on June 1st, 2020 on Waletburner.co! Check the post for new info :) Get hype y'all:D
Group-buy opens on June 1st, 2020 on Waletburner.co! Check the post for new info :) Get hype y'allIsn't it wallet? A little typo haha;) V hyped for this <3
Group-buy opens on June 1st, 2020 on Waletburner.co! Check the post for new info :) Get hype y'allIsn't it wallet? A little typo haha;) V hyped for this <3
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Np dude! Thank you for pushing it back to June! I really appreciate that:)Group-buy opens on June 1st, 2020 on Waletburner.co! Check the post for new info :) Get hype y'allIsn't it wallet? A little typo haha;) V hyped for this <3
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+1 times ive owned myself online
Still raffle? How long are you planning to open?200 fcfs
Still raffle? How long are you planning to open?200 fcfs
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Too much traffic I'm guessing, not much we can do about it.Still raffle? How long are you planning to open?200 fcfs
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Thanks but dang! Just tried the site. It's super slow.
Too much traffic I'm guessing, not much we can do about it.Still raffle? How long are you planning to open?200 fcfs
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Thanks but dang! Just tried the site. It's super slow.
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I guess people are bookmarking the site and such. The page wasn't slow for me, at least when I went in it; and trust me, I have real slow internet. I don't think having slower internet speeds makes it "unfair".Too much traffic I'm guessing, not much we can do about it.Still raffle? How long are you planning to open?200 fcfs
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Thanks but dang! Just tried the site. It's super slow.
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Too much traffic as of now? For what? Any sales going on the site?
Guess the server is hosted somewhere far with minimum performance.
Hope most GBers get the same level of performance.
Otherwise, it's not fair for the folks who doesn't have full speed connectivity.
I believe walletburner initially talked about raffle.
What brought the change?
I guess people are bookmarking the site and such. The page wasn't slow for me, at least when I went in it; and trust me, I have real slow internet. I don't think having slower internet speeds makes it "unfair".Too much traffic I'm guessing, not much we can do about it.Still raffle? How long are you planning to open?200 fcfs
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Thanks but dang! Just tried the site. It's super slow.
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Too much traffic as of now? For what? Any sales going on the site?
Guess the server is hosted somewhere far with minimum performance.
Hope most GBers get the same level of performance.
Otherwise, it's not fair for the folks who doesn't have full speed connectivity.
I believe walletburner initially talked about raffle.
What brought the change?
Idk about the raffle, so you'll have to ask wb about that.
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I live in South America and it was fine, but expecting a lot more traffic when GB date.I guess people are bookmarking the site and such. The page wasn't slow for me, at least when I went in it; and trust me, I have real slow internet. I don't think having slower internet speeds makes it "unfair".Too much traffic I'm guessing, not much we can do about it.Still raffle? How long are you planning to open?200 fcfs
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Thanks but dang! Just tried the site. It's super slow.
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Too much traffic as of now? For what? Any sales going on the site?
Guess the server is hosted somewhere far with minimum performance.
Hope most GBers get the same level of performance.
Otherwise, it's not fair for the folks who doesn't have full speed connectivity.
I believe walletburner initially talked about raffle.
What brought the change?
Idk about the raffle, so you'll have to ask wb about that.
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Geographic location and the performance of the hosting server contribute toward the speed too.
If the server cannot handle the people hitting the landing page for bookmark, it will definitely impact more remote GBers during the rush hour.
Also when the number is limited, people in different time zone will have less chance to get in from various reasons.
It's not to complain to you buddy and thanks for the information.
I just hope Cajal is not that much popular to think about the situation or the missing last letters bother me until the end of the GB ;D
Good luck all.
Is there an explanation for how a 45% keyboard works? Like, a link to how to type numbers?. Maybe I'm just retarded
Is there an explanation for how a 45% keyboard works? Like, a link to how to type numbers?. Maybe I'm just retarded
the core idea is that using layers triggered by modifiers and fn keys, you can minimize the number of keys down to bare essentials and minimize how far your hands need to move to type what you need. an 8 is as easy to type on my preferred layout on 40%s as a capital K. it's a different way of typing that minimizes that "hunt-and-peck" moment when you have to be think "ah ****, is ^ on the 4 or the 6" by allowing you to construct a set of layers where you know exactly where it is without looking down. it isn't for everyone, but it's just a bit further down the road than the compromises people make when they move from like a TKL to a 60% keyboard. i write code and daily driver the keyboards that i create, and now all of my keyboards are 50% layouts or smaller. like everything in this community, it's down to preference :)
my bottom row is punctuation on the second layer of most of my layouts, and left spacebar is always my Fn key. that way with left space and maaybe shift I can do everything I need to. I hover around 90-100WPM without difficulty. What are your layouts like?Is there an explanation for how a 45% keyboard works? Like, a link to how to type numbers?. Maybe I'm just retarded
the core idea is that using layers triggered by modifiers and fn keys, you can minimize the number of keys down to bare essentials and minimize how far your hands need to move to type what you need. an 8 is as easy to type on my preferred layout on 40%s as a capital K. it's a different way of typing that minimizes that "hunt-and-peck" moment when you have to be think "ah ****, is ^ on the 4 or the 6" by allowing you to construct a set of layers where you know exactly where it is without looking down. it isn't for everyone, but it's just a bit further down the road than the compromises people make when they move from like a TKL to a 60% keyboard. i write code and daily driver the keyboards that i create, and now all of my keyboards are 50% layouts or smaller. like everything in this community, it's down to preference :)
Where do YOU assign the last missing letters like ] or ' ?
my bottom row is punctuation on the second layer of most of my layouts, and left spacebar is always my Fn key. that way with left space and maaybe shift I can do everything I need to. I hover around 90-100WPM without difficulty. What are your layouts like?Is there an explanation for how a 45% keyboard works? Like, a link to how to type numbers?. Maybe I'm just retarded
the core idea is that using layers triggered by modifiers and fn keys, you can minimize the number of keys down to bare essentials and minimize how far your hands need to move to type what you need. an 8 is as easy to type on my preferred layout on 40%s as a capital K. it's a different way of typing that minimizes that "hunt-and-peck" moment when you have to be think "ah ****, is ^ on the 4 or the 6" by allowing you to construct a set of layers where you know exactly where it is without looking down. it isn't for everyone, but it's just a bit further down the road than the compromises people make when they move from like a TKL to a 60% keyboard. i write code and daily driver the keyboards that i create, and now all of my keyboards are 50% layouts or smaller. like everything in this community, it's down to preference :)
Where do YOU assign the last missing letters like ] or ' ?
having hard time imagining the best make-sense-for-myself layout
For me, downsizing is more to remove infrequently used keys instead of better reachability.
Are you working hard on your next 50+% board?
First time sub-HHKB so having hard time imagining the best make-sense-for-myself layout while I use the missing letters quite frequently.
For me, downsizing is more to remove infrequently used keys instead of better reachability.
Maybe 'fn+right side mod = missing letter' is what I should go with.
If I didn't lose those ones, I was thinking having the left space as backspace and control keys as second layer for fn and num keys, which makes perfect sense for me.
based on feedback, we identified and fixed a redirect hell on the walletburner.co homepage; everything should be smooth and optimized for the sale now.
just to be clear- i can't get a solderable non-ortho pcb, only option is staggered hotswap ? :thumb:Choice of solder required ortho PCB or hotswap staggered PCB.
What is the hotswap solution on the staggered PCB?Kailh Hotswap sockets; the standard as far as I know
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Thanks! That's what I had assumed, just wanted to verify.What is the hotswap solution on the staggered PCB?Kailh Hotswap sockets; the standard as far as I know
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quick RGB pic ;DOh. Oh my.
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The website doesn't make any mention of ortholinear support, nor does an ortho mapping appear in the KLE layout Imgur page. Maybe I missed an earlier announcement, but was ortho support dropped?
ortho is very much still supported, and has a separate solderable PCB, brass or POM plates available, and the KLE of available layouts can be found in the first post of this IC, which has been kept updated. site is currently being renovated, and its text hasn't been updated in a while. information here is accurate, and you can even find some pictures of the ortholinear prototype earlier in this thread and on my instagram (walletburnerkb). i'll update the website today! thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Could you post a picture showing the size difference between this and a regular 40% board or a minivan in particular? I'm looking for some higher end 40's to replace my minvan for travel because I'm disappointed with the quality. Btw what will be the final weight of the board?
Srsly. Cajal doesn't go in your bag, it goes in a museum.Could you post a picture showing the size difference between this and a regular 40% board or a minivan in particular? I'm looking for some higher end 40's to replace my minvan for travel because I'm disappointed with the quality. Btw what will be the final weight of the board?
oh this is not a travel board haha the aluminum is about 5lbs with the brass knob and the polycarbonate is about 3.9lbs. i'll try to take a good pic tomorrow of it next to my collection, since the sun is going down, and with it, the good lighting in my apartment. i've never found the "40%s are for travel" designation particularly convincing, and perhaps that is one reason why i make my boards so heavy they feel like they're about to collapse in and form a small star. pics tomorrow :-)
Oh I don’t think 40% is just for travel, that’s just how I chose to use mine. Yours is so damn badass though I can’t help but want it anyway haha. Thanks for the info!Could you post a picture showing the size difference between this and a regular 40% board or a minivan in particular? I'm looking for some higher end 40's to replace my minvan for travel because I'm disappointed with the quality. Btw what will be the final weight of the board?
oh this is not a travel board haha the aluminum is about 5lbs with the brass knob and the polycarbonate is about 3.9lbs. i'll try to take a good pic tomorrow of it next to my collection, since the sun is going down, and with it, the good lighting in my apartment. i've never found the "40%s are for travel" designation particularly convincing, and perhaps that is one reason why i make my boards so heavy they feel like they're about to collapse in and form a small star. pics tomorrow :-)
What is the diameter of the knob?
Does the polycarb version also come with the diffuser layer?Yes it does, and we are planning for 2mm frosted acrylic or polycarbonate, depending on which of the two materials has better diffusion. Still testing materials, but getting good results.
Does the polycarb version also come with the diffuser layer?Yes it does, and we are planning for 2mm frosted acrylic or polycarbonate, depending on which of the two materials has better diffusion. Still testing materials, but getting good results.
If you don't mind me asking, what time exactly does the sale go live? to be more exact, the time zone?
The GB will go live at 5:00PM CDT on June 1st @ Walletburner.co
Is there any info on the kb height?
Any renders for e-white?
How likely y'all think there'll be an R2 with more colour choices lol :p, just can't seem to match the colour choices in this buy with the caps I've got/plan to get. wished my suggestion for jet black made it, would have looked amazing with KAT Cyberspace coming in August.This. I spray have a red board and the other colors just aren’t fitting with I got caps. Black with cyber space would have made this a no brainer for me. I hope do a R2 with black or something.
while 10k upvotes on a picture is nice, it doesn't mean that many people are interested in a $395 45% keyboard, though the envy is vindicating. the sale is still FCFS, tho to make checkout easier I will add all extra items (extra pcbs, extra plates, extra knobs, etc) onto walletburner.co Sunday night so people can add everything besides the board they want to their cart and check out when the sale goes live. be ready this coming Monday at 5pm CDT and hold onto your butts!
Is the price of polycarbonate housing the same? Where is the purchase page?
Is the price of polycarbonate housing the same? Where is the purchase page?
It is the same, and the store section of Walletburner.co is where it will be when it goes live.
Is there any aspect of the boards design itself that relate to Santiago Cajal or some aspect of his life? Or is it just in name alone?Afaik, it's the name and the microscope in the weight.
Oh yeah duh . Well I don’t think I’ll be joining in on this group buy since they don’t have a black one which is the color I’d actually want for this board. Or maybe green... but yeah, if there’s a round 2 with different colors in the future I’m all in.Is there any aspect of the boards design itself that relate to Santiago Cajal or some aspect of his life? Or is it just in name alone?Afaik, it's the name and the microscope in the weight.
Two week delay? That's nothing when it comes to keyboards!
Gb ended???
After a lot of thought and evaluating alternatives, the Cajal Group-Buy will be delayed until June 15th at 5pm CDT on Walletburner.co.
Key in this decision was the discovery that one member of my team who has gone incommunicado for weeks was recently diagnosed as Covid-19 positive, and is currently in intensive care. We hope they make a speedy recovery, as this was quite a shock. This turns of events unfortunately places a decent portion of the business side of the Cajal group-buy in peril/limbo as we scramble to discover what has and hasn't been properly filed and what needs to be redone. Two weeks will allow all this to be sorted in time. Downstream of this central issue, there are also several deadlines and stress points from my day job and personal life that will subside if we delay by 2 weeks. Taken together, the decision to delay is clear.
I also want to give an earnest Thank You to everyone who has been passionately following this project for months, watching and contributing to it taking shape, and diligently saving up to make the buy on Monday. I never thought this project would get such an overwhelmingly positive reception, and I think the quality in this keyboard is worth the wait. Sorry for the confusion and frustration this may cause! Trust me, I wouldn't be doing this unless it was absolutely necessary. See you in 16 days, 22 hours and 15 mins (approx.)! :D
Im interested in the keyboard + the brass button, does this mean ill get 2 buttons or that my regular button will be upgraded to a brass version? If its the 2nd option is there a way to get another knob to match more keysets etc..It only comes with 1 knob, whichever you elect. However, there will be extra PCB, knob, plate, gaskets, etc for purchase.
Are the three of you related? Cause if so, that's super slick.C-c-c-combo breaker. Sorry, the answer we were looking for is "this is super slick and I'm looking the pink polycarbonate"
reminding everyone how slick this will be on Monday. see y'all on walletburner.co @ 5pm CDT!You previously mentioned extra components going up on Sunday to add to cart, does this still stand?
Sure, and prices are up nowreminding everyone how slick this will be on Monday. see y'all on walletburner.co @ 5pm CDT!You previously mentioned extra components going up on Sunday to add to cart, does this still stand?
I was just checking out the store page to get prepped for this to drop, and I noticed that on the GB page there isn't an option to select the PCB. I assume which one you get will just be based on the plate selection?
ngl, some part of me is very worried it will sell out in the first minute and I'll miss it because I can't type my address fast enough :P
I'm new to rotary encoders on keyboards, does it come soldered on the staggered hotswap pcb already or do we need to solder it? thanks.It needs to be soldered on but if you really don't want to I have added a $5 option where I'll solder it on for you in the store
I'm new to rotary encoders on keyboards, does it come soldered on the staggered hotswap pcb already or do we need to solder it? thanks.It needs to be soldered on but if you really don't want to I have added a $5 option where I'll solder it on for you in the store
Woohoo, got one in E-white! Tax seemed kind of high, but I guess it was about 8%. After getting the keyboard, an extra PCB, some extra plates/knobs, and a foam insert, tax ended up being about $50. :eek:Oregon, checking in at 0% sales tax.
At least shipping was nice and cheap. I was a bit worried due to the weight.
Woohoo, got one in E-white! Tax seemed kind of high, but I guess it was about 8%. After getting the keyboard, an extra PCB, some extra plates/knobs, and a foam insert, tax ended up being about $50. :eek:
At least shipping was nice and cheap. I was a bit worried due to the weight.
Woohoo, got one in E-white! Tax seemed kind of high, but I guess it was about 8%. After getting the keyboard, an extra PCB, some extra plates/knobs, and a foam insert, tax ended up being about $50. :eek:
At least shipping was nice and cheap. I was a bit worried due to the weight.
My order is showing $0 tax, what state are you in?
Woohoo, got one in E-white! Tax seemed kind of high, but I guess it was about 8%. After getting the keyboard, an extra PCB, some extra plates/knobs, and a foam insert, tax ended up being about $50. :eek:
At least shipping was nice and cheap. I was a bit worried due to the weight.
My order is showing $0 tax, what state are you in?
Texas, how about you?
Any chance there can be extras for maybe a PC bottom (To mix alu top with PC bottom) sometime in the future? I think it would look REALLY cool to have alu top and still see the brass weight/more underglow with a PC bottom. Granted, that's if the tolerances allow for it and there's enough demand I suppose, but I'd pay a little more for it if you had any extras. ;)I like that idea
Hi there, I have ordered two but the details and colors are wrong, guess I didn't pay attention when adding them to cart. Dropped you an email, please tell me it's not too late to change them :'(
Sigh missed out due to card payments being declined. We really need an alternative to PayPal since banks seem really suspicious of many Shopify merchant transactions..Same thing happened to me. T_T. If anyone ended up with an extra spot for an ortho board that they want to unload, let me know! (Especially in Blue Steel)
Hi there, I have ordered two but the details and colors are wrong, guess I didn't pay attention when adding them to cart. Dropped you an email, please tell me it's not too late to change them :'(
What's the email? I had a similar problem; but it was the fact that polycarbonate, polycarbonate pink, and e-white all showed as sold out while blue steel aluminum and bushido red were not. I ended up getting the blue steel but when I went back to the page it showed polycarb as in-stock; so I quickly grabbed that. Now hoping I can get the blue steel canceled :T
(before grabbing blue-steel I did ctrl+shift+r several times to make sure it wasn't some weird cache issue with my browser)
Hi there, I have ordered two but the details and colors are wrong, guess I didn't pay attention when adding them to cart. Dropped you an email, please tell me it's not too late to change them :'(
What's the email? I had a similar problem; but it was the fact that polycarbonate, polycarbonate pink, and e-white all showed as sold out while blue steel aluminum and bushido red were not. I ended up getting the blue steel but when I went back to the page it showed polycarb as in-stock; so I quickly grabbed that. Now hoping I can get the blue steel canceled :T
(before grabbing blue-steel I did ctrl+shift+r several times to make sure it wasn't some weird cache issue with my browser)
Email is wokechill@gmail.com
I was meaning to buy 1 blue and 1 red, both standard sandblasted with gold knob. My receipt shows I bought two reds, ortho brass and black knob...
Maybe Cajal can simply transfer your blue steel quota to me (but then I have to get my duplicate red ortho cancelled, anyone interested lol?)