Go for GMK or JTK

[Baddy126]

Thanks everyone for the opinions. I've decided to wait for the next jtk set I saw on their instagram!

[romevi]

Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.

[demik]

Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.

hhkb was sending signal to your brain. it was only a matter of time until u found it

[Baddy126]

Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.

hhkb was sending signal to your brain. it was only a matter of time until u found it

Why is every post from demik about hhkb? Do you hate realforce?

[romevi]

Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.

hhkb was sending signal to your brain. it was only a matter of time until u found it

Why is every post from demik about hhkb? Do you hate realforce?

Uh-oh...

[nubbinator]

Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.

hhkb was sending signal to your brain. it was only a matter of time until u found it

Why is every post from demik about hhkb? Do you hate realforce?

RealForce?  More like FeelWorse.

[Baddy126]

Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.

I got into it because it's something I use everyday. Might as well get something good right?

[demik]

Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.

hhkb was sending signal to your brain. it was only a matter of time until u found it

Why is every post from demik about hhkb? Do you hate realforce?

im glad you ask.

hhkb is the greatest keyboard ever created. it comes with PBT keycaps, so there is no need to worry about ****ty cherry caps regardless of who makes them.

do i hate RF? no, but i hate TKL keyboards. 60% is the future. buy hhkb. be happy. be topre.

[Baddy126]

Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.

hhkb was sending signal to your brain. it was only a matter of time until u found it

Why is every post from demik about hhkb? Do you hate realforce?

RealForce?  More like FeelWorse.

I am no expert but aren't they all topre? Lol my mx clears on the pok3r feel the same as my friends v60 mx clears...

[Baddy126]

Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.

hhkb was sending signal to your brain. it was only a matter of time until u found it

Why is every post from demik about hhkb? Do you hate realforce?

im glad you ask.

hhkb is the greatest keyboard ever created. it comes with PBT keycaps, so there is no need to worry about ****ty cherry caps regardless of who makes them.

do i hate RF? no, but i hate TKL keyboards. 60% is the future. buy hhkb. be happy. be topre.

I see your point. I think if they came out with a 55g hhkb stock I'd prefer that over realforce but... Money problems

[nubbinator]

Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.

hhkb was sending signal to your brain. it was only a matter of time until u found it

Why is every post from demik about hhkb? Do you hate realforce?

RealForce?  More like FeelWorse.

I am no expert but aren't they all topre? Lol my mx clears on the pok3r feel the same as my friends v60 mx clears...

Realforce has a steel plate that makes it feel crappy.  Better than an FC660C, but worse than a HHKB.

[mrboovn]

Seems like the only set of JTK I can get are the WoB on originitiveco and the other sets were from a group buy that I wasn't even aware of. I do like the hyperfuse but that also seems out of the question and the only available set I see that I would like is the sky dolch but at $165... that's almost triple the price of the JTK sets on ctrlalt.io

Be patience and check classified or r/mechmarket ,jtk PoW and WoB often go on sale around $80

[yomammary]

Sometimes I wonder how I got into keyboards as a hobby.

hhkb was sending signal to your brain. it was only a matter of time until u found it

Why is every post from demik about hhkb? Do you hate realforce?

RealForce?  More like FeelWorse.

I am no expert but aren't they all topre? Lol my mx clears on the pok3r feel the same as my friends v60 mx clears...

Realforce has a steel plate that makes it feel crappy.  Better than an FC660C, but worse than a HHKB.

I don't agree but that's what's fun with opinions

[madhias]

Seems like the only set of JTK I can get are the WoB on originitiveco and the other sets were from a group buy that I wasn't even aware of. I do like the hyperfuse but that also seems out of the question and the only available set I see that I would like is the sky dolch but at $165... that's almost triple the price of the JTK sets on ctrlalt.io

Be patience and check classified or r/mechmarket ,jtk PoW and WoB often go on sale around $80

I sold my BoW / Stormtrooper set recently, but used for about 3 weeks, for €50, but I think I only paid €70 new! And that's the best part of JTK sets, they are cheap. But the quality regarding uniform legends is not that good until now, and I would say a little bit improving before going to the market would have been really better. But for a daily driver: I would not care that much! The texture is nice, and the caps are thick.

[Baddy126]

Seems like the only set of JTK I can get are the WoB on originitiveco and the other sets were from a group buy that I wasn't even aware of. I do like the hyperfuse but that also seems out of the question and the only available set I see that I would like is the sky dolch but at $165... that's almost triple the price of the JTK sets on ctrlalt.io

Be patience and check classified or r/mechmarket ,jtk PoW and WoB often go on sale around $80

I sold my BoW / Stormtrooper set recently, but used for about 3 weeks, for €50, but I think I only paid €70 new! And that's the best part of JTK sets, they are cheap. But the quality regarding uniform legends is not that good until now, and I would say a little bit improving before going to the market would have been really better. But for a daily driver: I would not care that much! The texture is nice, and the caps are thick.

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If I get my hands on that black/white reaper v2 I'll probably wanna get one of these

[Ail]

I do not have a GMK set to compare it to, but I just received my Stormtrooper set yesterday and the quality is very good in my opinion. I like the feel of the keys and in my limited inspection of the keys during assembly of the layout, the legends seem to be consistent and bold.

[hwood34]

Seems like the only set of JTK I can get are the WoB on originitiveco and the other sets were from a group buy that I wasn't even aware of. I do like the hyperfuse but that also seems out of the question and the only available set I see that I would like is the sky dolch but at $165... that's almost triple the price of the JTK sets on ctrlalt.io

Be patience and check classified or r/mechmarket ,jtk PoW and WoB often go on sale around $80

I sold my BoW / Stormtrooper set recently, but used for about 3 weeks, for €50, but I think I only paid €70 new! And that's the best part of JTK sets, they are cheap. But the quality regarding uniform legends is not that good until now, and I would say a little bit improving before going to the market would have been really better. But for a daily driver: I would not care that much! The texture is nice, and the caps are thick.

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Is it just the picture or are the thicknesses of the legends all over the place?

[madhias]

Seems like the only set of JTK I can get are the WoB on originitiveco and the other sets were from a group buy that I wasn't even aware of. I do like the hyperfuse but that also seems out of the question and the only available set I see that I would like is the sky dolch but at $165... that's almost triple the price of the JTK sets on ctrlalt.io

Be patience and check classified or r/mechmarket ,jtk PoW and WoB often go on sale around $80

I sold my BoW / Stormtrooper set recently, but used for about 3 weeks, for €50, but I think I only paid €70 new! And that's the best part of JTK sets, they are cheap. But the quality regarding uniform legends is not that good until now, and I would say a little bit improving before going to the market would have been really better. But for a daily driver: I would not care that much! The texture is nice, and the caps are thick.

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Is it just the picture or are the thicknesses of the legends all over the place?

JTK legends rocking as they are! Probably that is what people don't like, since the thickness and texture of the caps is great.

[Ail]

Seems like the only set of JTK I can get are the WoB on originitiveco and the other sets were from a group buy that I wasn't even aware of. I do like the hyperfuse but that also seems out of the question and the only available set I see that I would like is the sky dolch but at $165... that's almost triple the price of the JTK sets on ctrlalt.io

Be patience and check classified or r/mechmarket ,jtk PoW and WoB often go on sale around $80

I sold my BoW / Stormtrooper set recently, but used for about 3 weeks, for €50, but I think I only paid €70 new! And that's the best part of JTK sets, they are cheap. But the quality regarding uniform legends is not that good until now, and I would say a little bit improving before going to the market would have been really better. But for a daily driver: I would not care that much! The texture is nice, and the caps are thick.

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Is it just the picture or are the thicknesses of the legends all over the place?

It's not the picture.

I actually took a closer look at my Stormtrooper set yesterday evening and the "C" key is most noticeably thinner in a portion of the legend. The "Q" "W" and "G" keys seem to be the most bold, respectively. At least the inconsistencies are consistent.  ^-^

Edit: Still a great set overall in my opinion for $83 shipped. Lots of layout options and thick caps. I will be putting them on a Plum96.

[hwood34]

That's pretty bad then, those look way more off that even Gateron caps

[Fire Brand]

That's pretty bad then, those look way more off that even Gateron caps

But aren't gaterons not PBT and dyesubbed, so you really can't compare them?

[joey]

That's pretty bad then, those look way more off that even Gateron caps

But aren't gaterons not PBT and dyesubbed, so you really can't compare them?

You can still compare the quality of the legends.

[hwood34]

That's pretty bad then, those look way more off that even Gateron caps

But aren't gaterons not PBT and dyesubbed, so you really can't compare them?

I was just comparing them to another popular set with probably the worst legend problems before that.

[rowdy]

Consistency of legends?  Who looks at their keyboard while typing anyway?

[romevi]

Consistency of legends?  Who looks at their keyboard while typing anyway?

This a thousand times. I look at my keys only when sorting them for the first time and placing them on my board. That's it.
I dunno; maybe I'm just still new to this hobby.

[Ail]

I mean, I stare at my keyboard because it is beautiful and I love it.

That said I'm not really going to care too much about some inconsistent legends, gives character imo. 

[hwood34]

Consistency of legends?  Who looks at their keyboard while typing anyway?

when the legends are that horrifically inconsistent, yea I'm sure I'd notice every once and a while. And while I'm paying that much for a set, I'd rather it not be subpar.

Not to say that the legends won't be fixed eventually, but I'd like to see the issues be properly addressed all the way through production before I'd trust JTK.

[joey]

Consistency of legends?  Who looks at their keyboard while typing anyway?

when the legends are that horrifically inconsistent, yea I'm sure I'd notice every once and a while. And while I'm paying that much for a set, I'd rather it not be subpar.

Not to say that the legends won't be fixed eventually, but I'd like to see the issues be properly addressed all the way through production before I'd trust JTK.

The next sets (there are some pics on taobao) look a lot better. There might still be some issues, but at least the alphas look much better.

[hwood34]

Consistency of legends?  Who looks at their keyboard while typing anyway?

when the legends are that horrifically inconsistent, yea I'm sure I'd notice every once and a while. And while I'm paying that much for a set, I'd rather it not be subpar.

Not to say that the legends won't be fixed eventually, but I'd like to see the issues be properly addressed all the way through production before I'd trust JTK.

The next sets (there are some pics on taobao) look a lot better. There might still be some issues, but at least the alphas look much better.

Do you have a link?

[joey]

Consistency of legends?  Who looks at their keyboard while typing anyway?

when the legends are that horrifically inconsistent, yea I'm sure I'd notice every once and a while. And while I'm paying that much for a set, I'd rather it not be subpar.

Not to say that the legends won't be fixed eventually, but I'd like to see the issues be properly addressed all the way through production before I'd trust JTK.

The next sets (there are some pics on taobao) look a lot better. There might still be some issues, but at least the alphas look much better.

Do you have a link?

Not a great one here. Just search for 'jtk keycaps'.

[rowdy]

Consistency of legends?  Who looks at their keyboard while typing anyway?

when the legends are that horrifically inconsistent, yea I'm sure I'd notice every once and a while. And while I'm paying that much for a set, I'd rather it not be subpar.

Not to say that the legends won't be fixed eventually, but I'd like to see the issues be properly addressed all the way through production before I'd trust JTK.

True, although my eyes are such that unless I squint I generally don't notice slight inconsistencies.

Misaligned keycaps is another matter, he said, thinking of Granite R1, which could be spotted from across the room.

[xondat]

The difference between the G and the X on my JTK Stormtrooper set I'm using kind of sucks, but not much I can do about it due to it being first generation. Still really nice keysets; it's my 2nd JTK that I've used and I wish I can keep it longer than a few weeks.

[keshley]

Poor Potato, but here's JTK Stormtrooper next to GMK Bluegaloo. Should illustrate the differences.



I think for a first run product, it's pretty good. The alphas are the worst offenders, while the F-row is mostly consistent. It doesn't bother me when I'm typing, but it doesn't photograph as well as the GMK.

In terms of feel, its a near thing. Keycap sizing, look, and spacing is spot on as far as I can tell. I don't think I could tell which was JTK and which was GMK from a blind typing test. And that's why I'll be buying another JTK set when another colorway I like comes out. Not to mention the legends are improved in the second run already.

[ideus]

Until JTK be an actual active and constant source for key board key cap kits, it is not an actual alternative to any other present and readily available option.

[riotonthebay]

Until JTK be an actual active and constant source for key board key cap kits, it is not an actual alternative to any other present and readily available option.

What are you even talking about, lol.

There was a first run, and now there is a second run, and there will presumably be a third run, and so on. Sounds pretty present and readily available to me.

[Tym]

Until JTK be an actual active and constant source for key board key cap kits, it is not an actual alternative to any other present and readily available option.

What are you even talking about, lol.

There was a first run, and now there is a second run, and there will presumably be a third run, and so on. Sounds pretty present and readily available to me.

It's actually public knowledge there will be a 3rd run

[Ail]

Okay I need to revisit this, because while I love the quality of the JTK Stormtrooper caps, the legends are actually really bad. At first I thought it was only some inconsistencies in the thicknesses of the ascenders, descenders, and stems of some the letters. Upon further inspection whilst placing the set on my Keycool 84, I have found there to be severe bleeding and even full spots that should not be there on some of the caps. The Cherry logo key with a window for instance, is HORRIBLE. The cherries and leaves run in to each other so bad. The 8 key has a bad spot on the upper inside edge of the top circle portion of the 8. Many of the other keys with any kind of lettering have inconsistent thicknesses.

For the price you get a very solid feeling set of caps, and a lot of them, but the legends are pretty poor. If Originative had a GMK BoW set I would probably try to return these and pay the difference for that instead.

[ideus]

Until JTK be an actual active and constant source for key board key cap kits, it is not an actual alternative to any other present and readily available option.

What are you even talking about, lol.

There was a first run, and now there is a second run, and there will presumably be a third run, and so on. Sounds pretty present and readily available to me.

It's actually public knowledge there will be a 3rd run

If that is the case try to run a GB with your preferred colors and see if JTK is readily available.

[rowdy]

Until JTK be an actual active and constant source for key board key cap kits, it is not an actual alternative to any other present and readily available option.

What are you even talking about, lol.

There was a first run, and now there is a second run, and there will presumably be a third run, and so on. Sounds pretty present and readily available to me.

It's actually public knowledge there will be a 3rd run

If that is the case try to run a GB with your preferred colors and see if JTK is readily available.

Can we just run GBs through JTK directly, or do we need to go through BunnyLake?

[Tym]

It's actually public knowledge there will be a 3rd run

If that is the case try to run a GB with your preferred colors and see if JTK is readily available.

I dont know what you're saying?

[ideus]

It's actually public knowledge there will be a 3rd run

If that is the case try to run a GB with your preferred colors and see if JTK is readily available.

I dont know what you're saying?

Is JTK available to quote and run GBs for sets like the ones are now being at the IC or GB stages with GMK? For example, Monkey, Icon mods, Skidata?

[Tym]

I think I know what you're implying, by the way Sophomore isn't there set it's CtrlAlt's design.

Why would we want to run a set which someone else is already running?

[joey]

I think I know what you're implying, by the way Sophomore isn't there set it's CtrlAlt's design.

Why would we want to run a set which someone else is already running?

He wants to be able to propose sets for JTK to manufacture. Like you can with GMK.

[Tym]

Good for him Joey

[nubbinator]

Good for him Joey

That doesn't answer the question.

[Tym]

Manners cost nothing you know...

[nubbinator]

Manners cost nothing you know...

Let me know when you find them then.  There was nothing rude about the questions being asked and you just got huffy instead.

[Tym]

I was more referring to the slack PM...

Whats the question anyway?

Can you submit your own GBs to JTK? I'm not sure why people would want to since they spend such vast amounts of time ****ting on them.

But yes, we've already stated - when they're ready.

[nubbinator]

No one sees the slack PM, so it came off as you being pissy.

The question is can people submit designs to JTK to run a group buy without CtrlAlt involvement or do all GBs have to be CtrlAlt buys?  You appear to have answered that, though that is the first time I have ever seen it stated that it will be available to others and the question about CtrlAlt involvement is still unanswered.  I've only seen them treated as a CtrlAlt exclusive.

People aren't ****ting on JTK, they're just saying they're not up to snuff yet and that there are legend issues, but that they are improving.  That's called constructive criticism and it needs to be heard in order to improve.  If JTK wants to be a serious alternative, those issues need to be heard and corrected instead of minimizing the issues and passing them off as people ****ting on the manufacturer.  The fact that you stated "when they're ready" implies that you know that they're not quite up to snuff yet.

In the mean time, people are saying that GMK has better quality, JTK feels better than SP, and JTK is priced better than GMK but JTK has worse quality on the legends than GMK and SP, so it's probably better off going with those until JTK legend issues are resolved, unless the legend issues don't bother you.

[Tym]

Semi-related point. Which I would like to use to address your final sentence.

People seem so happy to support new found "artisans"  but they're deadset against supporting JTK, they'll "leave it for now" as you say.

What I'm asking, why?