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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #100 on: Tue, 01 March 2016, 12:23:52 »
iI am interested in this set. And how about adding 1X wins?
don't see 1800 support :(
Its not a final version. I'll update it as soon i get the info i need :)


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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #101 on: Fri, 11 March 2016, 14:27:35 »
iI am interested in this set. And how about adding 1X wins?
don't see 1800 support :(
Its not a final version. I'll update it as soon i get the info i need :)
This is great, any info yet?

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #102 on: Fri, 11 March 2016, 14:44:34 »
iI am interested in this set. And how about adding 1X wins?
don't see 1800 support :(
Its not a final version. I'll update it as soon i get the info i need :)
This is great, any info yet?

Nope, not yet... I am still waiting :(

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« Reply #103 on: Fri, 11 March 2016, 16:33:14 »
I'm not saying everyone should not support custom colors, I am just weary after the TA set. And yes I meant the color swirls. I agree with everything that has been said in response to my post, however no matter how great I think a set looks I'm not going to run the risk.

Sorry for slightly derailing the topic. I really hope GMK custom colors become doable and reliable.

Wasn't valentine a custom color? I don't want to argue, I just had the same plan (not buying custom colors until they produced one well), and I thought they fulfilled those criteria with valentine.
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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #104 on: Fri, 11 March 2016, 16:41:34 »
I'm not saying everyone should not support custom colors, I am just weary after the TA set. And yes I meant the color swirls. I agree with everything that has been said in response to my post, however no matter how great I think a set looks I'm not going to run the risk.

Sorry for slightly derailing the topic. I really hope GMK custom colors become doable and reliable.

Wasn't valentine a custom color? I don't want to argue, I just had the same plan (not buying custom colors until they produced one well), and I thought they fulfilled those criteria with valentine.
It turned out it wasn't a custom colour in the end.

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #105 on: Sat, 12 March 2016, 06:57:21 »
Very interested in this. Never had an SA set though so happy if I can get it in GMK.

Carbon is my endgame keyset. just need to make sure it supports the HHKB layout since
im planning to get novatouch sliders for my HHKB.

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #106 on: Sat, 12 March 2016, 10:04:47 »
I'm not saying everyone should not support custom colors, I am just weary after the TA set. And yes I meant the color swirls. I agree with everything that has been said in response to my post, however no matter how great I think a set looks I'm not going to run the risk.

Sorry for slightly derailing the topic. I really hope GMK custom colors become doable and reliable.

Wasn't valentine a custom color? I don't want to argue, I just had the same plan (not buying custom colors until they produced one well), and I thought they fulfilled those criteria with valentine.
If you mean the gmk valentine from this year, that was definitely the same color as the magenta in cmy kits, as well as the color packs for gmk cyan.

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #107 on: Mon, 14 March 2016, 00:58:41 »
Hope we will have some led caps(capslock scroll lock num luck esc etc.) in this awesome set!

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #108 on: Mon, 14 March 2016, 01:02:07 »
is the plan to run this as soon as possible?

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« Reply #109 on: Mon, 14 March 2016, 02:55:35 »
Hope this will include a full HHKB mod set :)
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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #110 on: Mon, 14 March 2016, 11:14:53 »
is the plan to run this as soon as possible?

I don't think this is going to run ASAP. I am still checking the sweet spot between variaty of supported layouts and pricing. And yes the response from GMK takes some time.

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #111 on: Mon, 14 March 2016, 14:03:49 »
How about GMK Carbon?

most definitely! =)

cherry profile Carbon would be swell. Warning Signs and Novelty Kits would make it perfect, but I don't know if GMK does such stuff?

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #112 on: Tue, 15 March 2016, 20:29:20 »
How about GMK Carbon?

most definitely! =)

cherry profile Carbon would be swell. Warning Signs and Novelty Kits would make it perfect, but I don't know if GMK does such stuff?

They could but it would cost a ridiculous amount of money

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« Reply #113 on: Wed, 16 March 2016, 01:55:03 »
They could but it would cost a ridiculous amount of money

I imagined as much... haven't seen any GMK novelties in that style before...

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #114 on: Wed, 16 March 2016, 05:19:19 »

They could but it would cost a ridiculous amount of money

I imagined as much... haven't seen any GMK novelties in that style before...

Gmk monkey has a good example of a new legend

I'm not too sure what their guidelines are regarding minimum thicknesses etc

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #115 on: Wed, 16 March 2016, 05:23:49 »
Gmk monkey has a good example of a new legend

I'm not too sure what their guidelines are regarding minimum thicknesses etc

ok, neat... hmm... wonder how much it'd cost more... I quite like the hexagons on the SA sets novelty kit...

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #116 on: Tue, 22 March 2016, 10:24:31 »
DO WANT

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #117 on: Thu, 24 March 2016, 00:07:24 »
That's great!!. hurry up!!

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #118 on: Thu, 24 March 2016, 11:40:02 »
cant wait until this happen plss faster

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #119 on: Fri, 25 March 2016, 04:13:30 »
Very nice colors! Hopefully I have the funds when this becomes a GB.

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #120 on: Fri, 25 March 2016, 07:15:01 »
This is a good idea!!
hurry up!!

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #121 on: Mon, 28 March 2016, 13:39:21 »
I would be interested in this set, if it is still a go.

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #122 on: Mon, 28 March 2016, 15:11:57 »
my kosmonavt needs this

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #123 on: Thu, 31 March 2016, 11:34:51 »
plsss make it happen, cant wait anymore

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #124 on: Fri, 01 April 2016, 20:51:15 »
Hot damn. I love my Carbon set, but this would be some next level ****. I'd be all in if you could swing an orange spacebar with the set xD
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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #125 on: Sat, 02 April 2016, 01:35:38 »
Hot damn. I love my Carbon set, but this would be some next level ****. I'd be all in if you could swing an orange spacebar with the set xD

Well, why not offer the spacebars separate :)

By the way, i got no updates right now for you guys. I'll get some probably next month. Ofcourse i'll share it with you.

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #126 on: Sat, 02 April 2016, 01:37:51 »
Hot damn. I love my Carbon set, but this would be some next level ****. I'd be all in if you could swing an orange spacebar with the set xD

Well, why not offer the spacebars separate :)

By the way, i got no updates right now for you guys. I'll get some probably next month. Ofcourse i'll share it with you.
I'm in, regardless, but I need me an orange GMK Spacebar of the Carbon flavor :D
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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #127 on: Sat, 02 April 2016, 04:49:04 »
Sign me up coach!  :thumb:

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« Reply #128 on: Sat, 02 April 2016, 10:13:33 »
Hot damn. I love my Carbon set, but this would be some next level ****. I'd be all in if you could swing an orange spacebar with the set xD

Well, why not offer the spacebars separate :)

By the way, i got no updates right now for you guys. I'll get some probably next month. Ofcourse i'll share it with you.
I'm in, regardless, but I need me an orange GMK Spacebar of the Carbon flavor :D
yep orange space bar also look good

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #129 on: Sun, 03 April 2016, 13:16:17 »
pretty much will be nonstop seller! please make it happen! :)

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #130 on: Sun, 03 April 2016, 20:08:22 »
I'd be in, if a Dvorak add-on set would be available.

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« Reply #131 on: Sun, 03 April 2016, 20:44:42 »
Im in for sure
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« Reply #132 on: Sun, 03 April 2016, 21:10:55 »
Are you planning to get this through MD? or would it be independent?

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« Reply #133 on: Mon, 04 April 2016, 11:41:59 »
If be in if this went through MD or something similar (maybe [CTRL]ALT if we went JTK for manufacture instead of GMK?)  and had HHKB/White Fox support. I'm hesitant to join a community-run buy after the whole Ivan/Miami Nights debacle, though.
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« Reply #134 on: Mon, 04 April 2016, 12:30:29 »
Are you planning to get this through MD? or would it be independent?

I think it will most probably run through MD. The MOQ will be quite hard because of custom colors you know. It has to get a lot of participants as possible...

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« Reply #135 on: Mon, 04 April 2016, 12:36:01 »
Are you planning to get this through MD? or would it be independent?

I think it will most probably run through MD. The MOQ will be quite hard because of custom colors you know. It has to get a lot of participants as possible...

I hope it attracts enough interest there; however, the evidence of some of the last GMK offerings did not. I think that venue attracts younger keyboard aficionados that prefer current group-thinking trends, like colorful designs, novelties and PBT, that most GMK sets lack. Anyways, good luck.

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #136 on: Mon, 04 April 2016, 13:53:47 »
Are you planning to get this through MD? or would it be independent?

I think it will most probably run through MD. The MOQ will be quite hard because of custom colors you know. It has to get a lot of participants as possible...

I hope it attracts enough interest there; however, the evidence of some of the last GMK offerings did not. I think that venue attracts younger keyboard aficionados that prefer current group-thinking trends, like colorful designs, novelties and PBT, that most GMK sets lack. Anyways, good luck.

Its a subjective thing, but i agree nowadays you have to deliver colors or something special in order to make GB succesfull. I mean for 120 bucks you have to offer something. With respect, but quality is not enough.

The problem here is not people but GMK with their high MOQ requirements, which limits me to offer a keyset for both worlds (classy and crazy). I probably know your delicate taste for classic colors/style and you are not alone. I hope i get enough "ground/room" to add some keys for orange keys replacement.

MD is aware of GMK Carbon but i dont know if they want to make a drop for it. See the last GMK drop....
But i am still waiting for a "greenlight" from MD.


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« Reply #137 on: Mon, 04 April 2016, 15:09:21 »
Are you planning to get this through MD? or would it be independent?

I think it will most probably run through MD. The MOQ will be quite hard because of custom colors you know. It has to get a lot of participants as possible...

I hope it attracts enough interest there; however, the evidence of some of the last GMK offerings did not. I think that venue attracts younger keyboard aficionados that prefer current group-thinking trends, like colorful designs, novelties and PBT, that most GMK sets lack. Anyways, good luck.

Its a subjective thing, but i agree nowadays you have to deliver colors or something special in order to make GB succesfull. I mean for 120 bucks you have to offer something. With respect, but quality is not enough.

The problem here is not people but GMK with their high MOQ requirements, which limits me to offer a keyset for both worlds (classy and crazy). I probably know your delicate taste for classic colors/style and you are not alone. I hope i get enough "ground/room" to add some keys for orange keys replacement.

MD is aware of GMK Carbon but i dont know if they want to make a drop for it. See the last GMK drop....
But i am still waiting for a "greenlight" from MD.

Your design is gorgeous, I hope it reaches MoQ and it becomes a reality. Good luck!

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« Reply #138 on: Mon, 04 April 2016, 15:12:36 »
Are you planning to get this through MD? or would it be independent?

I think it will most probably run through MD. The MOQ will be quite hard because of custom colors you know. It has to get a lot of participants as possible...

I hope it attracts enough interest there; however, the evidence of some of the last GMK offerings did not. I think that venue attracts younger keyboard aficionados that prefer current group-thinking trends, like colorful designs, novelties and PBT, that most GMK sets lack. Anyways, good luck.

Its a subjective thing, but i agree nowadays you have to deliver colors or something special in order to make GB succesfull. I mean for 120 bucks you have to offer something. With respect, but quality is not enough.

The problem here is not people but GMK with their high MOQ requirements, which limits me to offer a keyset for both worlds (classy and crazy). I probably know your delicate taste for classic colors/style and you are not alone. I hope i get enough "ground/room" to add some keys for orange keys replacement.

MD is aware of GMK Carbon but i dont know if they want to make a drop for it. See the last GMK drop....
But i am still waiting for a "greenlight" from MD.
It's carbon, I'm sure people will jump on it without even a second thought.

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #139 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 02:59:46 »
please take my money

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« Reply #140 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 13:57:50 »
There's just no easy answer on this one.  You're going to have the people that say "I'd be all in if ..." and then fill in the blank.  The colorway is by far awesome, but then its also custom.  GMK hasn't had the best reputation for manufacturing custom colors and there will be those that speak up about light bleed.  400 is a tough MOQ that Massdrop will have a difficult time pulling off (shipping and declared value will hurt the international buyers) and there's always Skidata+ and JTK Orange. 

The problem for Massdrop is that their system isn't designed at all for handling buyer tracking and it makes it confusing for everyone as to how they count buys.  GMK is an all or nothing kind of problem.  Massdrop will break up the kit into smaller kits to "deflate" the list price but then that throws off how many "kits" they've actually "sold".  Since Massdrop isn't going to be willing to buy all 400 kits and then sell them as "redropped" buys, this is nearly dead in the water.

The only way I see this working out for GMK and Carbon (tm) is if it is run as a group buy or sold to a store that will sell the kits through a storefront.  The only other way to run it through Massdrop is for you to choose to break up the kit, increase the price, and sell at a MOQ of 150 for each kit.

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #141 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 14:28:13 »
There's just no easy answer on this one.  You're going to have the people that say "I'd be all in if ..." and then fill in the blank.  The colorway is by far awesome, but then its also custom.  GMK hasn't had the best reputation for manufacturing custom colors and there will be those that speak up about light bleed.  400 is a tough MOQ that Massdrop will have a difficult time pulling off (shipping and declared value will hurt the international buyers) and there's always Skidata+ and JTK Orange. 

The problem for Massdrop is that their system isn't designed at all for handling buyer tracking and it makes it confusing for everyone as to how they count buys.  GMK is an all or nothing kind of problem.  Massdrop will break up the kit into smaller kits to "deflate" the list price but then that throws off how many "kits" they've actually "sold".  Since Massdrop isn't going to be willing to buy all 400 kits and then sell them as "redropped" buys, this is nearly dead in the water.

The only way I see this working out for GMK and Carbon (tm) is if it is run as a group buy or sold to a store that will sell the kits through a storefront.  The only other way to run it through Massdrop is for you to choose to break up the kit, increase the price, and sell at a MOQ of 150 for each kit.

Breaking the kit into multiple kits is the wrong approach. Its better the drop fails as a whole.

This drop will be only one kit which either will contain everything (expensive) or only needed stuff (low cost). Which approach i choose depends the approximate final pricing and moq (which i still dont have  :().
As i said previously, if you want to sell gmk keyset then deliver something special. The german high quality is not enough for this price tag. I think the last succesful GMK drop was TA. Am i wrong? From my POV Carbon is worth to be special. Without any ignorance i asume it might be succesfull, despite me being most of the time pesimistic.

Anyway about light bleeding. Who could think TA would light bleed? I think this was the first gmk set with custom colors. Now we know about it. And ofcourse if it goes into GB this very important property will be bold and underlined for gmk. I think its clear you have to define the properties you want before ordering. Everything you didn't mentioned as property is a side effect (light bleed) or feature.

Please do not compare SKIDATA+ (in which i also participated because damn i love skidata) to Carbon. These two are very very very period different keysets in my opinion.

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[IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #142 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 14:37:55 »
I'm not sure whether the kit in the OP is what you're going ahead with, but two R5 1U blanks or Windows keys will be necessary for many people, and an R4 1u Fn would be very very nice to have. With those 3 additional keys, I'd say you should run just a single kit. Additional kits won't hit MOQ anyways.

GMK sets need to balance cost with universality -- I think it's worse for hitting MOQ to exclude people who need certain keys than it is to exclude those unwilling to pay $6 more for the set.
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« Reply #143 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 14:53:24 »
I'm not sure whether the kit in the OP is what you're going ahead with, but two R5 1U blanks or Windows keys will be necessary for many people, and an R4 1u Fn would be very very nice to have. With those 3 additional keys, I'd say you should run just a single kit. Additional kits won't hit MOQ anyways.

GMK sets need to balance cost with universality -- I think it's worse for hitting MOQ to exclude people who need certain keys than it is to exclude those unwilling to pay $6 more for the set.

Ok i share something with you.

I send two Versions of single kits. Those are displayed below:

minimalistic only need stuff


the extended version


Now keep in mind those are not final versions! These are made only for getting the pricing for a specific amount of keys. I need to get the feel how it affects the pricing.
After i get it i'll decide the kit for the drop and of course i'll post it here and we will descuss it up and down until the kit suits the majority.

The biggest problem right now is that i dont get the info i need for moq and pricing to work on Carbon further. I requested it many times already and i still got nothing so far...

Just out of curiosity i send also this to check the pricing and moq. Dont even dream about it! I am just checking the pricing and i dont think this is going to drop...






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« Reply #144 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 15:16:53 »
Absolutely Carbon is 100% different from any of the other kits and this one is indeed special.  100% agree with you on that.  What I meant was that I wanted to be sure Carbon GMK edition had as many sales as possible to achieve MOQ. 

I understand that the kit should be sold as one package, 100% agree with you on that.  The issue as you noted is the MOQ for the kit and that GMK Carbons needs to be offered as  something special. 

Light bleed was once concern, another was color swirl.  If run through Massdrop, you likely will not receive a sample to QC before the production is run.  These are just objections that come up by people commenting in the discussion tab of a drop and many times those discussions kill a drop even when the person responsible for the drop is there to defend them.

The idea of breaking up the set is a bad idea.  The only reason Massdrop does it is to fan the critics that come out when the drop runs.  A set like this should be $140-$160. But as that price goes, is that too much for the buyer?  Some say yes, others say no.

EDIT:  After seeing your beautiful images (damn your're amazing), $199 for the set. 
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« Reply #145 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 15:30:21 »
Absolutely Carbon is 100% different from any of the other kits and this one is indeed special.  100% agree with you on that.  What I meant was that I wanted to be sure Carbon GMK edition had as many sales as possible to achieve MOQ. 

I understand that the kit should be sold as one package, 100% agree with you on that.  The issue as you noted is the MOQ for the kit and that GMK Carbons needs to be offered as  something special. 

Light bleed was once concern, another was color swirl.  If run through Massdrop, you likely will not receive a sample to QC before the production is run.  These are just objections that come up by people commenting in the discussion tab of a drop and many times those discussions kill a drop even when the person responsible for the drop is there to defend them.

The idea of breaking up the set is a bad idea.  The only reason Massdrop does it is to fan the critics that come out when the drop runs.  A set like this should be $140-$160. But as that price goes, is that too much for the buyer?  Some say yes, others say no.

EDIT:  After seeing your beautiful images (damn your're amazing), $199 for the set.

Honestly i hope we can go with the extended kit for like 140 bucks. I mean 140$ for extended kit is a dream for me. In my opinion it should be extended because of custom colors. You cant buy separated keys which could match these colors. This is why i think the kit should contain all possible layouts. Its all in or nothing.

For the novelties i may consider those as separate drop if the price tag does not exceeds 60$. I mean i personaly would pay that to get these novelties in cherry profile... However i dont think this is going to be the case. You can say i send it to get the lulz from price tag.

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« Reply #146 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 15:44:43 »
Great pictures T0mb3ry. I own the Carbon SA I would be on a GMK set every day.

I was looking at the extended kit and it would be great if you can add Win or Code keys in 1u config (2 keys) also a "|\" key 1u r1 in white and a grey FN 1u key. this are missing in order to fill a HHKB layout style.

Hoping for those novelties as well :)
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Offline Jedi

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #147 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 17:30:19 »
I don't see why not run both. 200 dollars square plus shipping is the target price. That way there's no bull**** and we can clearly see exactly what we are being asked to pay for and what we are asking to get.
I don't see why (again, if it is even possible for GMK) that both the extended and novelties can't be had for $200 square (plus 9.99 shipping and handling LOLz).

Offline yinzer

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #148 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 18:01:07 »
If you're looking into novelty options, why not ask about an Ergodox half-a-dox kit while you're at it? We could still buy into the main "minimal" drop, but only 75 need to buy into the blanks. (If MOQ is 150 -- two half-a-dox kits for every buy)

You've said yourself that you think SA Carbon looks great on the Ergodox.
« Last Edit: Thu, 07 April 2016, 18:03:54 by yinzer »

Offline mimalik

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Re: [IC] GMK Carbon
« Reply #149 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 19:20:08 »
Why not add few more keys for plank modifiers only? Definitely in but think it should also have orange alpha set as option. I am sure ppl will pay, its GMK afterall.