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Title: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Replacement keys shipped to vendors
Post by: Fredington on Mon, 16 August 2021, 07:50:43
Hi all,

Welcome to the GB for DCS Alps Pingmaster, an Alps-specific set based on the legendary IBM Pingmaster from the 1980s:

(https://i.imgur.com/rJyn5aF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pATyx46.png)

**Please note that the renders are done in Cherry profile, which is quite similar to but not exactly the same as DCS. Nevertheless, they should give you a good idea of how the final set will look like.



Specifications

Manufacturer: Signature Plastics
Profile: DCS 1-1-2-3-4-4
Material: PBT, except longer spacebars and relegendables
Legends: Dye-sublimated top legends w/ pad-printed front side legends
Colors: Stock SP PBT colors
Switch Mount: Alps
Stabilizer Mount: MX

**Please note that these caps are for Alps/Matias switches only and are not compatible with MX-style switches. Stabilizer mounts however, will be MX-shaped.



GB Details

The GB will run with the following vendors from August 16 to September 13 and is estimated to ship in Q1 2022.

US: Mechs&Co (https://mechsandco.com/products/gb-sp-dcs-alps-pingmaster?variant=39519075106951)
CA: Desk[H]ero (https://www.deskhero.ca/products/dcs-alps-pingmaster?_pos=1&_sid=ce78b54e5&_ss=r&variant=39465409839170)
UK: Proto[Typist] (https://prototypist.net/collections/live-group-buys/products/group-buy-dcs-alps-pingmaster)
EU: MyKeyboard (https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/category/group-buys/keycaps/dcs-alps_557/)
AS: zFrontier Chinese (https://www.zfrontier.com/app/mch/1a3xM4Vvjjbo) and International (https://en.zfrontier.com/products/dcs-alps-pingmaster?variant=39451424882766)
OC: Daily Clack (https://dailyclack.com/products/dcs-alps-pingmaster)

(https://i.imgur.com/Dd5q9TT.png)


Kits

Base

Please note that the longer spacebars will be made in ABS due to warping. Front legends will be pad printed.

(https://i.imgur.com/hI07tsK.png)

JIS & macOS

I know this doesn't cover true JIS layouts, but we wanted to focus compatibility on common Alps layouts while also being constrained by the key sizes that SP currently has due to costing. Also includes macOS bottom row swaps.

(https://i.imgur.com/DBd1uTU.png)

Spacebars & 40s

Again, the longer bars will be ABS. Includes complete support for hiney's H60 PCB, as well as 3-key 40s support.

(https://i.imgur.com/PNxKtN1.png)

Relegendables & Ortho

For those who want that authentic Pingmaster look. This kit is also designed to be able to cover an ortho board. Due to shrinkage, all relegendable keys will be ABS.

(https://i.imgur.com/0KPOFQZ.png)

Accents

(https://i.imgur.com/S4CRB0i.png)



Renders by Kingk22

TKC1800

(https://i.imgur.com/SIp3SzX.png)

TGR Jane

(https://i.imgur.com/Mx8L6aa.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/bKGPYkE.png)

Bean by Kingk22

(https://i.imgur.com/yBh0ObX.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/0cjVzqE.png)



Acknowledgements

Special thanks to Franco, Kingk22, konstantin, KidViddy, and all the vendors, especially Mike from Mechs&Co.



Social Media

Finally, if you'd like, you can follow me and my other projects on my IG @fredington (https://www.instagram.com/fredington/?hl=en).
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: Fredington on Mon, 16 August 2021, 07:57:20
4.22.22
ABS to PBT color matching (longer spacebars and relegendables) complete

4.28.22
PBT molding complete, start of sublimation phase

6.1.22
Production complete, packing commencing.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: justinhigley on Sat, 21 August 2021, 19:44:42
Looks great! I'm in for everything.

Hope there's still enough alps interest to make things like this a reality.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: IO Sam on Mon, 23 August 2021, 15:17:17
Order is in!  :thumb:
Thank you for keeping the Alps flame alive!!!
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 24 August 2021, 15:08:23
(https://i.postimg.cc/gpNSMDTL/DCSalps-Pingmaster-Orders210824.png)
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: joshuarubin on Tue, 24 August 2021, 15:13:09
:fingers crossed:
Come on people, make this happen!
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: Fredington on Tue, 24 August 2021, 16:04:08
:fingers crossed:
Come on people, make this happen!

I think this a is a pretty good start so I’m not too worried!
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: shansoft on Tue, 24 August 2021, 17:35:09
:fingers crossed:
Come on people, make this happen!

I bought 2 set myself.... 

It would be fine since this is only the first week  :D

Anyone know if there are MX to Alps stab adapter? Some old board I have only have the traditional alps stab, not sure if Costar stem will fit properly.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 25 August 2021, 10:42:17
Really hoping this does well! Awesome set.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: loud_asian on Sat, 28 August 2021, 17:45:01
:fingers crossed:
Come on people, make this happen!

I bought 2 set myself.... 

It would be fine since this is only the first week  :D

Anyone know if there are MX to Alps stab adapter? Some old board I have only have the traditional alps stab, not sure if Costar stem will fit properly.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=112117.msg3047146#msg3047146
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: shansoft on Sun, 29 August 2021, 01:12:51
:fingers crossed:
Come on people, make this happen!

I bought 2 set myself.... 

It would be fine since this is only the first week  :D

Anyone know if there are MX to Alps stab adapter? Some old board I have only have the traditional alps stab, not sure if Costar stem will fit properly.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=112117.msg3047146#msg3047146

Thank you so much!!!
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: AeternusCo on Mon, 30 August 2021, 23:24:32
I'd love to see some 40% boards get alps support now, very cool set
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: tpec on Tue, 31 August 2021, 05:16:26
Got my set in. Can't wait ;D
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: Genericusername56 on Wed, 01 September 2021, 07:22:22
Would base+JIS cover a standard ISO layout? I guess so, even though the legends will be incorrect?

How far from MOQ is this?
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: Fredington on Wed, 01 September 2021, 08:24:33
Would base+JIS cover a standard ISO layout? I guess so, even though the legends will be incorrect?

How far from MOQ is this?

That’s correct. Updated numbers will be posted shortly. We’re about 50% to MOQ but JIS/macOS is struggling a bit.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 01 September 2021, 17:47:17
(https://i.postimg.cc/L2gpZVXq/DCSalps-Pingmaster-Orders210901.png)
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: Howgii on Thu, 02 September 2021, 16:22:53
Do you know if the alps mount for the iso enter is rotated or not?
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: justinhigley on Thu, 02 September 2021, 22:50:43
Do you know if the alps mount for the iso enter is rotated or not?

It is not rotated on DCS Alps Yuri. I'd assume the same for this set.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: Fredington on Fri, 03 September 2021, 11:50:33
Do you know if the alps mount for the iso enter is rotated or not?

Do you know if the alps mount for the iso enter is rotated or not?

It is not rotated on DCS Alps Yuri. I'd assume the same for this set.

Actually, according to Melissa they can be either. I assumed people would want the vertical orientation. If this is not the case, please speak up!
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: Howgii on Fri, 03 September 2021, 11:54:43
Do you know if the alps mount for the iso enter is rotated or not?

Do you know if the alps mount for the iso enter is rotated or not?

It is not rotated on DCS Alps Yuri. I'd assume the same for this set.

Actually, according to Melissa they can be either. I assumed people would want the vertical orientation. If this is not the case, please speak up!
It don’t own an iso alps board yet but I do plan on building one. So others will have to vote for or against the rotation of the mount,and I’ll design my pcb accordingly
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: joshuarubin on Fri, 03 September 2021, 12:25:11
and I’ll design my pcb accordingly

hah, enjoyment of alps is a labor of love
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: Fredington on Fri, 03 September 2021, 12:31:54
Do you know if the alps mount for the iso enter is rotated or not?

Do you know if the alps mount for the iso enter is rotated or not?

It is not rotated on DCS Alps Yuri. I'd assume the same for this set.

Actually, according to Melissa they can be either. I assumed people would want the vertical orientation. If this is not the case, please speak up!
It don’t own an iso alps board yet but I do plan on building one. So others will have to vote for or against the rotation of the mount,and I’ll design my pcb accordingly

Actually, I misunderstood your question and Melissa's answer. Here is a diagram of the options for the switch mount:

(https://i.imgur.com/xwuhWjI.png)

Unless people speak up regarding a preference for the orientation on the right, I'll be proceeding with the horizontal orientation on the left.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: Applet on Fri, 03 September 2021, 18:03:15
If comparing with older alps keycaps, I'm pretty sure the right one is the common rotation for ISO enter switches, not saying this is necessarily the best approach tho. Check for example alps64 or plain60 alps edition, it does not have any support for horizontal switches for ISO enter.

EDIT: You could argue that the left one may be more common in PCB's that have both MX and Alps support, but, there are already three common-ish vertical positions for ISO enter, and I'd personally appreciate if we did not get a fourth common ISO-enter position/rotation. :D Yuri has the left rotation? Is there any other new alps-set from SP that does it the same way?
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: Yakbats on Sat, 04 September 2021, 11:36:37
Do you know if the alps mount for the iso enter is rotated or not?

Do you know if the alps mount for the iso enter is rotated or not?

It is not rotated on DCS Alps Yuri. I'd assume the same for this set.

Actually, according to Melissa they can be either. I assumed people would want the vertical orientation. If this is not the case, please speak up!
It don’t own an iso alps board yet but I do plan on building one. So others will have to vote for or against the rotation of the mount,and I’ll design my pcb accordingly

Actually, I misunderstood your question and Melissa's answer. Here is a diagram of the options for the switch mount:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/xwuhWjI.png)


Unless people speak up regarding a preference for the orientation on the right, I'll be proceeding with the horizontal orientation on the left.

I just finalized a pcb design using the vertical orientation (the one on the right), since that is what I have seen on the vintage boards I've come across. So, vertical is my preference, and I hope that's how this set gets made :)
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sat, 04 September 2021, 18:31:14
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Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: Fredington on Sun, 05 September 2021, 13:09:41
After further investigation, the ISO Enter switch mount will indeed be rotated (vertical).
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: chevykeeb on Tue, 07 September 2021, 07:55:27
What would be the average thickness of the keycaps?
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 07 September 2021, 12:42:27
(https://i.postimg.cc/09Lphd1P/DCSalps-Pingmaster-Orders210907.png)
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: Fredington on Tue, 07 September 2021, 15:01:55
What would be the average thickness of the keycaps?

They’re about 1mm thick.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: kaworu on Tue, 07 September 2021, 15:07:19
Hi, JIS & macOS kit buyer here.

After further investigation, the ISO Enter switch mount will indeed be rotated (vertical).

That is good to hear, I'm planning on using a PCB based on Steezy60 (https://keebmeup.com/index.php?id_product=129&id_product_attribute=1856&rewrite=60-alps-pcb-ansi-aek-support-coming-soon&controller=product#/52-plate_add_on-no_plate_needed_0) and as far as I can see it has a vertical mount ISO Enter.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: Applet on Wed, 08 September 2021, 01:23:28
I'm planning on using a PCB based on Steezy60 (https://keebmeup.com/index.php?id_product=129&id_product_attribute=1856&rewrite=60-alps-pcb-ansi-aek-support-coming-soon&controller=product#/52-plate_add_on-no_plate_needed_0) and as far as I can see it has a vertical mount ISO Enter.
Yeah, it supports the three common vertical ISO enter stem positions and PCB stabilizers is placed centered just like the MX-standard (I'm the designer). They are also open sourced and available here if you want to make it yourself: https://github.com/4pplet/Steezy60
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Closing Monday, Sept. 13
Post by: Fredington on Thu, 09 September 2021, 15:39:46
Hi all,

Just popping in here to remind everyone that this GB will be closing in a few days on Monday, September 13. If you're interested in this set, now is the time to pull the trigger! All kits will be made, so order with confidence.

I also wanted to say a special thank you to everyone who supported this set. You guys showed that the interest in Alps sets is not inconsequential, despite initial doubts at the price per key of this set. Hopefully, this can pave the way for more Alps sets in the future.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Closing Monday, Sept. 13
Post by: TjarleN on Thu, 09 September 2021, 23:21:35
All kits will be made

Glad to hear that. :)
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Closing Monday, Sept. 13
Post by: Fredington on Sun, 12 September 2021, 20:41:22
LAST CALL! Closing tomorrow!
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Closing Monday, Sept. 13
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 12 September 2021, 20:55:13
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Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Closing Monday, Sept. 13
Post by: Friendship on Mon, 13 September 2021, 10:27:32
All kits will be made

YEEHAW! Thanks for running this beautiful set!
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Closing Monday, Sept. 13
Post by: Define on Mon, 13 September 2021, 12:34:07
Also pulled the trigger on base and accents. Alps caps are rare.
Curious about the final numbers though!
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Closing Monday, Sept. 13
Post by: The0rigina1 on Mon, 13 September 2021, 13:42:36
Bought base and relegendables, cuz I don't use JIS (also not full JIS), the accent kit doesn't look the part imo (and it ruins the retro grey beige vibe),
and I don't really plan on using this great retro on anything other than a tkl or full size  :D
Also, if you don't mind, would you share the final sales number? just curious, thanks  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Closing Monday, Sept. 13
Post by: Fredington on Mon, 13 September 2021, 14:00:00
Also pulled the trigger on base and accents. Alps caps are rare.
Curious about the final numbers though!

It will close tonight and take a few days to tally everything.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: gaunt on Wed, 15 September 2021, 14:11:10
RIP, 2 days too late to find this :( - there should be some newsletter for Alps-related group buys, I don't pay enough attention anymore since almost everything is MX-related. Looks like an awesome project, best of luck to you.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: joshuarubin on Wed, 15 September 2021, 14:19:28
DCS 9009 has an alps kit and is running now. https://cannonkeys.com/collections/featured/products/dcs-9009 (https://cannonkeys.com/collections/featured/products/dcs-9009)
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: Fredington on Wed, 15 September 2021, 14:29:57
RIP, 2 days too late to find this :( - there should be some newsletter for Alps-related group buys, I don't pay enough attention anymore since almost everything is MX-related. Looks like an awesome project, best of luck to you.

There will be extras early next year.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: gaunt on Wed, 15 September 2021, 15:07:47
RIP, 2 days too late to find this :( - there should be some newsletter for Alps-related group buys, I don't pay enough attention anymore since almost everything is MX-related. Looks like an awesome project, best of luck to you.

There will be extras early next year.

Oooh, I'll need to keep an eye out then  ;)
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 16 September 2021, 12:54:16
(https://i.postimg.cc/6BtvBw1C/DCSalps-Pingmaster-Orders210913fin-Next3.png)
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: TjarleN on Thu, 16 September 2021, 14:37:22
Wow the numbers doubled in the last week.

Pretty solid after the slow start.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: The0rigina1 on Thu, 16 September 2021, 21:13:35
Show Image
(https://i.postimg.cc/1s3wzTgb/DCSalps-Pingmaster-Orders210913fin-Next2.png)

Looks good, especially without extras  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 21 September 2021, 07:58:22
Is there any chance of a future run in MX?
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: audax989 on Tue, 21 September 2021, 08:04:52
Thank you for running this set!
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: Fredington on Tue, 21 September 2021, 08:22:16
Is there any chance of a future run in MX?

Of course there’s a chance ;)
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: dvorcol on Tue, 21 September 2021, 15:05:38
(https://i.postimg.cc/YtH1jQjG/DCSalps-Pingmaster-Orders210913fin-Yext.png)

More
(https://i.postimg.cc/6BtvBw1C/DCSalps-Pingmaster-Orders210913fin-Next3.png)
<-- without extras
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: Koniotaur on Tue, 07 December 2021, 05:15:50
Is Q1 2022 still on track?
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: Fredington on Wed, 08 December 2021, 11:00:01
Is Q1 2022 still on track?

Still on track but it’s looking closer to the end of Q1.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: Diggidy on Tue, 18 January 2022, 05:41:15
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Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: s.ja on Tue, 01 March 2022, 04:08:21
This is finally the first day of March.

Can I get it within this month?
My housing and switches are eagerly waiting for the keycap to arrive.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: Fredington on Tue, 01 March 2022, 07:42:57
Any updates?

Did you get any samples from SP?

This is finally the first day of March.

Can I get it within this month?
My housing and switches are eagerly waiting for the keycap to arrive.

Hi,

Thanks for the inquiry. Unfortunately, we had a late vendor payment and color matching the ABS keys to the PBT ones is proving trickier than expected. This will get pushed into Q2, but I'll update again when I have some approved color samples.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: vitriol_drinker on Wed, 16 March 2022, 08:35:04
So we're 15days from the expected delivery date, and production has not even started ?

Why do i still bother joining GBs...
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: audax989 on Wed, 16 March 2022, 13:58:05
Any updates?

Did you get any samples from SP?

This is finally the first day of March.

Can I get it within this month?
My housing and switches are eagerly waiting for the keycap to arrive.

Hi,

Thanks for the inquiry. Unfortunately, we had a late vendor payment and color matching the ABS keys to the PBT ones is proving trickier than expected. This will get pushed into Q2, but I'll update again when I have some approved color samples.

I'd say not to put any timelines like Q2 if color samples haven't been approved yet. I'm used to delays in GB's but at least inform the GB buyers of any issues that will cause a delay when they happen not when someone asks for an update.

the late payment should have already been communicated prior to us asking for updates.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // August 16 - September 13
Post by: audax989 on Wed, 16 March 2022, 13:59:11
Reserved for updates.

what is even this reserved post for when updates aren't being posted here.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: Keyboard Lab on Thu, 17 March 2022, 01:44:06
nice color combo, just like the old times
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: Friendship on Mon, 18 April 2022, 10:57:25
any updates on this?
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: Fredington on Tue, 19 April 2022, 13:39:46
Hi all,

Things are finally progressing along nicely now.

After a long delay due to materials, PBT molding is underway and should finish up in the next couple of weeks, after which they will move into the sublimation phase.

Additionally, a sample of the ABS color matching (longer spacebars and relegendables) is on its way to me as we speak. I'll keep you posted as to the results.

Thanks for your continued patience.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: Yakbats on Wed, 20 April 2022, 11:32:58
Thanks for the update! Keep up the communication, it's really appreciated. And feel free to update the "reserved for updates" post ;P
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: Fredington on Wed, 27 April 2022, 13:08:20
[Update]
ABS color matches have been approved and SP are currently lining up all the keys for sublimating.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: TjarleN on Thu, 28 April 2022, 01:57:19
great to hear that things are moving along nicely
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: Fredington on Thu, 28 April 2022, 13:09:23
A preview from production:

(https://i.imgur.com/GPOsO79.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ti6rR8u.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/RMD7kj3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/nI8swZa.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/wC8xDta.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: audax989 on Thu, 28 April 2022, 18:12:42
Looking good! thanks for the updates
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: elvenmonster on Sat, 30 April 2022, 17:55:43
Lets goooo!!!

BTW, are these all 5-side dye sub?
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: Fredington on Sat, 30 April 2022, 19:39:49
Lets goooo!!!

BTW, are these all 5-side dye sub?

Only the legends are dye subbed.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: elvenmonster on Sun, 01 May 2022, 19:48:35
Nice! So excited for this.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: beigeandbrown on Wed, 04 May 2022, 23:55:54
Lets goooo!!!

BTW, are these all 5-side dye sub?

Only the legends are dye subbed.

So the front legend caps will use printing on the sides and the sublimation on top?
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Thu, 05 May 2022, 09:59:35
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Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // GB Closed
Post by: el_lento on Tue, 24 May 2022, 03:11:26
How is production going on this? Is delivery happening on Q2 or Q3?
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Shipping
Post by: Fredington on Thu, 02 June 2022, 15:22:58
[Update]
Production has finished and SP are packing the kits as I type this.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Shipping
Post by: Friendship on Thu, 02 June 2022, 16:24:35
heck yea lets goooo!!!!!!
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Shipping to Buyers
Post by: Yakbats on Fri, 17 June 2022, 10:49:13
I just got shipping info! Can't wait :)
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Shipping to Buyers
Post by: rpiguy9907 on Fri, 17 June 2022, 11:09:26
Extras when?
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Shipping to Buyers
Post by: Fraaaan on Sat, 18 June 2022, 11:43:01
Extras when?

After GB fulfilment. Ask your vendor for a specific date/time.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Shipping to Buyers
Post by: Diggidy on Sun, 19 June 2022, 18:50:36
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Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Shipping to Buyers
Post by: Friendship on Mon, 20 June 2022, 08:43:42
Received my set in, looks great but I have a few issues with the mods, particularly the vertical 2u mods on the numpad. The support material around the keycap stem is seating on the switch stem before it can fully seat visually on the board. They only go down half way on my stabilizer stems. The cap stems themselves also stick out further than the floor of the keycap. Is this all intentional due to the support material needed or an error? Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Shipping to Buyers
Post by: The0rigina1 on Mon, 20 June 2022, 15:09:41
How fragile are the DCS caps in regard to mounting, removing, remounting, etc?
My DCS Sleeper has been quite solid so far
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Shipping to Buyers
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Mon, 20 June 2022, 16:44:49
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Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Shipping to Buyers
Post by: Fredington on Mon, 20 June 2022, 17:19:48
Received my set in, looks great but I have a few issues with the mods, particularly the vertical 2u mods on the numpad. The support material around the keycap stem is seating on the switch stem before it can fully seat visually on the board. They only go down half way on my stabilizer stems. The cap stems themselves also stick out further than the floor of the keycap. Is this all intentional due to the support material needed or an error? Thanks!

I’ll bring it up with SP and see what they say. Can you take a picture of the underside of the keys in question?
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Shipping to Buyers
Post by: The0rigina1 on Tue, 21 June 2022, 05:01:00
My DCS Sleeper has been quite solid so far

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't sleeper ABS and MX? Completely different story from Alps PBT.

Alps mount is quite prone to breaking. ABS DSA is complete disaster in that regards in particular. But PBT DCS is reportedly better and less prone to stem break.

Sorry for not being able to read your implication of ALPS DCS PBT  :blank:
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Shipping to Buyers
Post by: Friendship on Tue, 21 June 2022, 07:39:15
Received my set in, looks great but I have a few issues with the mods, particularly the vertical 2u mods on the numpad. The support material around the keycap stem is seating on the switch stem before it can fully seat visually on the board. They only go down half way on my stabilizer stems. The cap stems themselves also stick out further than the floor of the keycap. Is this all intentional due to the support material needed or an error? Thanks!

I’ll bring it up with SP and see what they say. Can you take a picture of the underside of the keys in question?

Thanks for looking into it! I have attached a pic of the underside, hopefully this helps!
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Shipping to Buyers
Post by: Fredington on Tue, 21 June 2022, 08:35:44
Received my set in, looks great but I have a few issues with the mods, particularly the vertical 2u mods on the numpad. The support material around the keycap stem is seating on the switch stem before it can fully seat visually on the board. They only go down half way on my stabilizer stems. The cap stems themselves also stick out further than the floor of the keycap. Is this all intentional due to the support material needed or an error? Thanks!

I’ll bring it up with SP and see what they say. Can you take a picture of the underside of the keys in question?

Thanks for looking into it! I have attached a pic of the underside, hopefully this helps!

Which keys are these? Enter and?
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Shipping to Buyers
Post by: Friendship on Tue, 21 June 2022, 11:47:49
Received my set in, looks great but I have a few issues with the mods, particularly the vertical 2u mods on the numpad. The support material around the keycap stem is seating on the switch stem before it can fully seat visually on the board. They only go down half way on my stabilizer stems. The cap stems themselves also stick out further than the floor of the keycap. Is this all intentional due to the support material needed or an error? Thanks!

I’ll bring it up with SP and see what they say. Can you take a picture of the underside of the keys in question?

Thanks for looking into it! I have attached a pic of the underside, hopefully this helps!

Which keys are these? Enter and?

Enter and Plus. The 2u zero also sticks up a tad as well but less noticable compared to the vertical 2u keycaps.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Numpad Enter and 2u + will be remade
Post by: Fredington on Wed, 22 June 2022, 16:51:25
Hi all,

Due to a tooling mistake causing the keys to sit higher than they should, the vertical 2u Enter and + keys for the numpad will be remade and replacements sent out to all who purchased a Base kit. Stay tuned for more details.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Numpad Enter and 2u + will be remade
Post by: Friendship on Wed, 22 June 2022, 21:09:26
Hi all,

Due to a tooling mistake causing the keys to sit higher than they should, the vertical 2u Enter and + keys for the numpad will be remade and replacements sent out to all who purchased a Base kit. Stay tuned for more details.

Thanks so much for working with the Manu to get this fixed! It's such a nice looking set on my numpad!
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Numpad Enter and 2u + will be remade
Post by: U47 on Wed, 22 June 2022, 21:46:39
Hi all,

Due to a tooling mistake causing the keys to sit higher than they should, the vertical 2u Enter and + keys for the numpad will be remade and replacements sent out to all who purchased a Base kit. Stay tuned for more details.

Hoo boy. Shades of the Alpine Winter debacle, but at least it appears to be confined to a couple of keys and the entire set doesn't need to be remade...

Tl;dr, SP's Alps tooling was all messed up for this GB, too, causing them to have to remake the entire run. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75515.0
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Numpad Enter and 2u + will be remade
Post by: Diggidy on Thu, 23 June 2022, 19:57:57
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Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Numpad Enter and 2u + will be remade
Post by: DetectiveNio on Fri, 24 June 2022, 16:24:04
Who bought from Mech n Co still have theirs stuck at "package acceptance pending"?

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Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Numpad Enter and 2u + will be remade
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 24 June 2022, 21:46:09
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Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Numpad Enter and 2u + will be remade
Post by: KneeDeep on Mon, 27 June 2022, 13:51:10
Who bought from Mech n Co still have theirs stuck at "package acceptance pending"?

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Same here, been about 10 days, hopefully something moves or updates soon.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Numpad Enter and 2u + will be remade
Post by: DetectiveNio on Tue, 05 July 2022, 00:53:51
How long will it take for SP to redo the bad keys? 9009 alps is also having issue rn ...
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Numpad Enter and 2u + will be remade
Post by: s.ja on Tue, 19 July 2022, 20:28:19
It's a pity that I can't receive the item because of the number pad that I won't even use.
And can I ask about the extras of the relegendable kit here? I should have bought that when i can..
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Numpad Enter and 2u + will be remade
Post by: nicolaidavies on Mon, 25 July 2022, 04:14:17
Finally received my set. Looks great!
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Numpad Enter and 2u + will be remade
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Mon, 08 August 2022, 12:39:41
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Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Numpad Enter and 2u + will be remade
Post by: CaesarAZealad on Wed, 10 August 2022, 16:05:20
Wait so these are alps mount, or am I misunderstanding?
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Numpad Enter and 2u + will be remade
Post by: chigi22 on Wed, 10 August 2022, 19:30:42
Wait so these are alps mount, or am I misunderstanding?

Specifications

Manufacturer: Signature Plastics
Profile: DCS 1-1-2-3-4-4
Material: PBT, except longer spacebars and relegendables
Legends: Dye-sublimated top legends w/ pad-printed front side legends
Colors: Stock SP PBT colors
Switch Mount: Alps
Stabilizer Mount: MX
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Replacement keys shipped out
Post by: Fredington on Mon, 15 August 2022, 10:26:19
Sorry for the delay, but SP has shipped out the replacement keys and vendors should be receiving them very soon. I know Mechs & Co. have received theirs and will be shipping them out this week. Thanks for all your patience.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Replacement keys shipped to vendors
Post by: OmegaZero55 on Tue, 20 September 2022, 17:22:39
I'm guessing I'm out of luck, but I was hoping to get a set of the relegendables to go with my base kit. Is there any vender that didn't sell through their stock yet?

Edit: I should have looked harder. Found some at Prototypist.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Replacement keys shipped to vendors
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 21 September 2022, 11:38:24
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Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Replacement keys shipped to vendors
Post by: Keagan458 on Tue, 04 October 2022, 00:39:44
Is anybody else having issues mounting their 7u spacebar?
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Replacement keys shipped to vendors
Post by: Karolus on Tue, 04 October 2022, 10:50:53
Is anybody else having issues mounting their 7u spacebar?

What issue are you having?  I haven't had any problems so far.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Replacement keys shipped to vendors
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 04 October 2022, 11:25:41
Is anybody else having issues mounting their 7u spacebar?

DCS PBT has some known issues with some 7u bars and some types of stabs. also came up with DCS delftware
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Replacement keys shipped to vendors
Post by: Fredington on Tue, 04 October 2022, 11:31:43
Is anybody else having issues mounting their 7u spacebar?

DCS PBT has some known issues with some 7u bars and some types of stabs. also came up with DCS delftware

Which is why all of the spacebars 6u+ in this set were made using ABS. This is the first time I'm hearing of an issue with the spacebars with this set. Hoping for some more info.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Replacement keys shipped to vendors
Post by: Keagan458 on Tue, 04 October 2022, 12:09:59
Is anybody else having issues mounting their 7u spacebar?

DCS PBT has some known issues with some 7u bars and some types of stabs. also came up with DCS delftware

It’s very difficult to mount and even when I do manage to get it on, it binds really badly and even gets stuck sometimes.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Replacement keys shipped to vendors
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 04 October 2022, 14:26:07
I remember having issues with my Alps throwback set.  Finally helped a bit when I made sure to not press the stem down too far on the switch.  The way SP makes their alps stems on the space bars actually allows you to be able to press the stem further than intended into the switch. 
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Replacement keys shipped to vendors
Post by: Keagan458 on Tue, 04 October 2022, 17:04:42
I remember having issues with my Alps throwback set.  Finally helped a bit when I made sure to not press the stem down too far on the switch.  The way SP makes their alps stems on the space bars actually allows you to be able to press the stem further than intended into the switch.

Just tried this and it helped a good bit. No more binding or getting stuck but the travel still does feel a little wonky and rough. Will continue testing, thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Replacement keys shipped to vendors
Post by: Keagan458 on Tue, 04 October 2022, 22:41:28
Good news. I fixed it. It appears to have been a combination of things of causing the problem. The first was that I was pushing the keycap too far down and the second was that the stabilizer cut outs on my plate were a little tight so the switches were slightly elevated above the pcb. I filed the cutouts to be wider and remounted the plate and now the stabilized keys feel fine. Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Replacement keys shipped to vendors
Post by: ankit on Wed, 26 April 2023, 13:45:40
sorry for the necro but can someone with the spacebars kit take a pic of the underside of the 6u spacebar for me?
wondering if the stab positioning is actually at 6u or at 5u like the mx bars for my first alps build  :p


nvm got a pic!
Title: Re: [GB] DCS Alps Pingmaster // Replacement keys shipped to vendors
Post by: twitchytheinsideman on Wed, 07 June 2023, 11:44:14
Has anyone gotten their replacements from mykeyboard.eu yet?