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Offline jimirolln

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #50 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 19:18:58 »
says who...to both of y'all

i don't know what they put in the hater aid around here...but y'all gotta stop sippn on it...i ain't tryna hurt n e one...don't like...move on...there's plenty else to check out...not c hatn anythn you don't agree w is a bad look...god bless

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #51 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 19:20:53 »
Glass is a relatively high friction material. Before embarking on any design, you should do some quantitative assessment of the coefficient of kinetic friction of a glass object against a few different types of plastic, and then compare that to plastic-on-plastc friction coefficient. Mainly because without that basic foundation to prove your concept, there's little reason to proceed.
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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #52 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 19:22:22 »
Glass is a relatively high friction material. Before embarking on any design, you should do some quantitative assessment of the coefficient of kinetic friction of a glass object against a few different types of plastic, and then compare that to plastic-on-plastc friction coefficient. Mainly because without that basic foundation to prove your concept, there's little reason to proceed.

nope...gonna make a mold...drizzle the glass...press and scrape...then test it...no need to be all technical it is just a god dam stem

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #53 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 19:23:35 »
Can this thread be moves to the comedy subforum?

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #54 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 19:24:38 »
not caps...stems

anything is possible

could make em look like marbles or sprinkle some gold powder or flakes in em

Stems are smaller than caps. If caps aren't possible because of the size, then stems won't work.

Anyway, you will note that a stem is more complex than a cap.

I'd love to watch you succeed. Note me down to buy 1000 if you make it happen.

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #55 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 19:25:51 »
I could take this idea more seriously if you didn't type like 12 year old kid.

Just kidding, this idea is way too dumb to take seriously.

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #56 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 19:26:05 »
nope it has already been moved once...im done...fuk it...to the haters...shakn my head...to the cool kidz...thanks for dreamn w me...peace

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #57 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 20:02:48 »
You seem like a terrible person to communicate with. I could t imagine dealing with you in a work environment.

Mods should lock or delete this thread. Waste of people's time and energy.

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 20:29:07 »
Is ripster back?

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #59 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 20:31:02 »

right on...good to know about that water stuff...i will keep that in mind...i love a good read...link me to your book i'll give it a flip thru

maybe the chapter on don't be to ambitious will help curb my enthusiasm...as i am getting the vibe that ambitious ideas are only good for hater bait in gh forums

He said and explained you why glass can't work (Glass stems is still the title of the IC). 
If you want to make another material, he gave you a link showing the friction of different materials so he definetely helped you out and he is not trying to "curb your enthusiasm and ambitions"

i am running this check to see if there are any cnc specialist and glass specialist>>>>>interested<<<<<in the thought

I'm interested in traveling through time, my only thought doesn't make it possible tho (at least for now)

time travel is possible

list=PL9TaDdGBVQnYU7BrOg1biRB0kCuVtsDRP&index=36&t=22s

Ok sorry no. Time travel is not possible. Quantum mechanics doesn't say that. If you want to understand some basics of quantum mechanics I can throw you some references but not time travel is not possible at least in the way it is usually presented. Closed timelike curves as far as we know do not exist in nature. If they did then science would break in a terrible way. Cause and effect would go out the window as well as predictions. I'm sorry I don't want to be a "hater' and I realize this may not be the best place to rant on this, but as a physicist, I am horrified by how some of this stuff is presented to the public.

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #60 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 20:38:43 »
I work in watch industry,
which produce watch parts, yes, those small tiny piece of gears and pinions.

With years of new projects/parts/designs,
I have witness something:
Almost all idea are possible,
Just that how much initial investment cost you are willing to put in.

What others trying to tell OP is this

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The readily available machinery is not designed for produce you idea

Thus

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Currently the industry is not ready to produce such material to such precision

Which means

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You will need people/experts/engineers to R&D suitable process for this.

Which include mass producing the stem body itself,
the surface and heat treatment method for such material and geometry/design (the brittleness of glass shall never been underestimate).

Yes, the idea could work,
But it will be too expensive to produce it this day.
not just the cost for producing it (Man/Machine hours, material)
But the R&D/initial investment cost for this.

Great idea for using glass for the weight and smoothness.
Can I suggest using some high density metal and surface treatment (chemical polishing etc)?
It would be much cost effective in this point of time.
   

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Re: [ic] glass stems
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Re: [ic] glass stems
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Offline ptiede

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #63 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 20:49:29 »
I work in watch industry,
which produce watch parts, yes, those small tiny piece of gears and pinions.

With years of new projects/parts/designs,
I have witness something:
Almost all idea are possible,
Just that how much initial investment cost you are willing to put in.

What others trying to tell OP is this

Quote
The readily available machinery is not designed for produce you idea

Thus

Quote
Currently the industry is not ready to produce such material to such precision

Which means

Quote
You will need people/experts/engineers to R&D suitable process for this.

Which include mass producing the stem body itself,
the surface and heat treatment method for such material and geometry/design (the brittleness of glass shall never been underestimate).

Yes, the idea could work,
But it will be too expensive to produce it this day.
not just the cost for producing it (Man/Machine hours, material)
But the R&D/initial investment cost for this.

Great idea for using glass for the weight and smoothness.
Can I suggest using some high density metal and surface treatment (chemical polishing etc)?
It would be much cost effective in this point of time.

Just from a basic material point of view, yes you can get glass really smooth, but it isn't just smoothness that will determine switch feel. As duynguyenle said above glass has a high kinetic friction coefficient. If you want to make a stem heavier then take a plastic stem drill a hole in the center and out in some lead. Or better, depleted uranium.

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #64 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 21:07:17 »
I work in watch industry,
which produce watch parts, yes, those small tiny piece of gears and pinions.

With years of new projects/parts/designs,
I have witness something:
Almost all idea are possible,
Just that how much initial investment cost you are willing to put in.

What others trying to tell OP is this

Quote
The readily available machinery is not designed for produce you idea

Thus

Quote
Currently the industry is not ready to produce such material to such precision

Which means

Quote
You will need people/experts/engineers to R&D suitable process for this.

Which include mass producing the stem body itself,
the surface and heat treatment method for such material and geometry/design (the brittleness of glass shall never been underestimate).

Yes, the idea could work,
But it will be too expensive to produce it this day.
not just the cost for producing it (Man/Machine hours, material)
But the R&D/initial investment cost for this.

Great idea for using glass for the weight and smoothness.
Can I suggest using some high density metal and surface treatment (chemical polishing etc)?
It would be much cost effective in this point of time.

Just from a basic material point of view, yes you can get glass really smooth, but it isn't just smoothness that will determine switch feel. As duynguyenle said above glass has a high kinetic friction coefficient. If you want to make a stem heavier then take a plastic stem drill a hole in the center and out in some lead. Or better, depleted uranium.

Depleted uranium, while not radioactive, is actually chemically toxic and isn't so great for your health (it's also pyrophoric). I reckon if you're really serious about getting some additional heft, tungsten might be a better idea.
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Offline ptiede

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #65 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 21:22:50 »
I work in watch industry,
which produce watch parts, yes, those small tiny piece of gears and pinions.

With years of new projects/parts/designs,
I have witness something:
Almost all idea are possible,
Just that how much initial investment cost you are willing to put in.

What others trying to tell OP is this

Quote
The readily available machinery is not designed for produce you idea

Thus

Quote
Currently the industry is not ready to produce such material to such precision

Which means

Quote
You will need people/experts/engineers to R&D suitable process for this.

Which include mass producing the stem body itself,
the surface and heat treatment method for such material and geometry/design (the brittleness of glass shall never been underestimate).

Yes, the idea could work,
But it will be too expensive to produce it this day.
not just the cost for producing it (Man/Machine hours, material)
But the R&D/initial investment cost for this.

Great idea for using glass for the weight and smoothness.
Can I suggest using some high density metal and surface treatment (chemical polishing etc)?
It would be much cost effective in this point of time.

Just from a basic material point of view, yes you can get glass really smooth, but it isn't just smoothness that will determine switch feel. As duynguyenle said above glass has a high kinetic friction coefficient. If you want to make a stem heavier then take a plastic stem drill a hole in the center and out in some lead. Or better, depleted uranium.

Depleted uranium, while not radioactive, is actually chemically toxic and isn't so great for your health (it's also pyrophoric). I reckon if you're really serious about getting some additional heft, tungsten might be a better idea.

I think I'll just do straight gold instead, keep it classy.

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #66 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 23:19:34 »
What about Stems made of wood? or rubber? cardboard? surly we can make tidepods work?

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #67 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 23:56:57 »
You seem like a terrible person to communicate with. I could t imagine dealing with you in a work environment.

Mods should lock or delete this thread. Waste of people's time and energy.

ima boss in a work environment...and your attitude vibes like you found it in the trash...im sorry but i have to let you go

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #68 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 23:58:52 »
What about Stems made of wood? or rubber? cardboard? surly we can make tidepods work?

bit please...sounds like that pod challenge did more than clean your threads

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #69 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 00:01:00 »
I think I'll just do straight gold instead, keep it classy.

right...your board could rock gold stems and all the crown jewels and still...for u...keepn it classy seams a reach
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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #70 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 00:08:51 »
Jim, I'm going to reiterate what I said over PM:

This place is here for discussion, advice, and learning (and also a circle jerk and tat shilling, camaraderie and cool ****) and mostly everyone is more than happy to give freely. What you're seeing is not haters and negative vibes but a) people giving the advice you have asked for, either from experience, from an expert perspective, or just an opinion, and b) the reaction to you batting that advice away because you don't like it. You are keen and left-field, which I commend, but, and I mean this in the most supportive way, you are a petulant little **** to people who don't reinforce your expectations. Sometimes ideas are bad, and I've had plenty, but someone telling you how bad an idea is does not make them your enemy. The trolling you see? People are ****ing with you because of your petulance.

If every thread you start ends without success, it does not mean there is a conspiracy against you, it's because you are inviting it by how you respond. Take a second, listen to advice you have asked for, relax. If an idea is strong, it can stand up to scrutiny. If it doesn't, adapt or let it go. This is a big part of design.

This is just a forum for keyboard enthusiasts, no-one is challenging your existence. Again: relax, listen, and learn.

CODA: Sorry lanyusea for singling you out but, Jim, take a look at this thread in which an idea was challenged and the error seen and accepted, gracefully, within 3 posts. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95004.msg2587258#msg2587258. If you keep digging in, doubling down, and lashing out, you're going to have a bad time.

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #71 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 00:14:47 »
ima have to politely ask you to get off my pecans...all of none of what you said reinforces any of your opinions...the fact that you appointed yourself the authority lets me know you don't...your small minded...good luck on your en devours...i hope they pan out...i didn't get the link to your book so i can only assume it is garbage...thank you for your input

but i am sorry...i have to let you go 
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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #72 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 01:13:35 »
Jim, I'm going to reiterate what I said over PM:

This place is here for discussion, advice, and learning (and also a circle jerk and tat shilling, camaraderie and cool ****) and mostly everyone is more than happy to give freely. What you're seeing is not haters and negative vibes but a) people giving the advice you have asked for, either from experience, from an expert perspective, or just an opinion, and b) the reaction to you batting that advice away because you don't like it. You are keen and left-field, which I commend, but, and I mean this in the most supportive way, you are a petulant little **** to people who don't reinforce your expectations. Sometimes ideas are bad, and I've had plenty, but someone telling you how bad an idea is does not make them your enemy. The trolling you see? People are ****ing with you because of your petulance.

If every thread you start ends without success, it does not mean there is a conspiracy against you, it's because you are inviting it by how you respond. Take a second, listen to advice you have asked for, relax. If an idea is strong, it can stand up to scrutiny. If it doesn't, adapt or let it go. This is a big part of design.

This is just a forum for keyboard enthusiasts, no-one is challenging your existence. Again: relax, listen, and learn.

CODA: Sorry lanyusea for singling you out but, Jim, take a look at this thread in which an idea was challenged and the error seen and accepted, gracefully, within 3 posts. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95004.msg2587258#msg2587258. If you keep digging in, doubling down, and lashing out, you're going to have a bad time.

I can't understand why anyone took it seriously past the first few posts. After what donutcables said, it should have been clear this was not viable. Cool but not viable. But no, he wanted an "expert" on the field despite knowing nothing himself. Then people who have had ACTUAL experience came and said it wasn't possible and he just shot them down as "being negative" and "discouraging." I can't imagine him being a "boss in a work environment" because he seems like the most awful and stubborn person to work with.

If....I.....had....to....deal...with...this....every...email...I...would...quit....my...job...so....fast....with...no.....regrets.....

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #73 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 03:14:30 »
Since glass is a no go you might wanna check with Kerasan if ceramic could be of any use to this.
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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #74 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 03:27:24 »
i am not opposed to lubing the switches to get a super smooth actuation...but it seams artificial

glass stems could weight more and be really smooth

i am running this check to see if there are any cnc specialist and glass specialist interested in the thought

the idea is a breakaway mold that could be heated on a plate or flame and glass drizzled in and pressed then scraped

maybe a cherry clear stem for spec's or model for a cast...idk...i know this sounds crazy and i run the risk of gettn crucified for this not haven renders and info with manu estimates and what not...but i thought it was a cool thought

Have you ever used a glass syringe? Do you find it smooth? It isn't smooth bacause it's tight, and it can be smooth only if it's wobbly. But in keycaps you dont't want wobbly.

Topre keycaps are very smooth, and the new cherry low profile switches will be very close to that.

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #75 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 04:23:05 »
Denial

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Offline jimirolln

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #77 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 07:29:26 »
to all the negative people...no need to quit...you are fired...feel free to box up your stuff and get out of the thread...your input will be filed in the appropriate bin...where you all found your attitudes...dress for success and perk up...im sure you will find a job that will suit your aspirations to do small things...peace

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #78 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 07:37:39 »
Since glass is a no go you might wanna check with Kerasan if ceramic could be of any use to this.

it seams promising...i have seen ceramics coated in glass or better still porcelain

thankyou for the positive vibe tree...i have looked up to you since i joined gh...you are inspirational and very kind...much appreciation to all who choose to not troll my thread by posting positive replies...i knew this was a reach when i thru it out there...i will still attempt and tho it may fail...it is nice to receive encouragement from the community

as i truly believe some ideas need to be allowed to fail...with dignity...and who knows...it might can be done...anything is possible
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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #79 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 08:07:08 »
thats gold jerry

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #80 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 08:53:05 »
thats gold jerry

no bruh...that avatar is gold...she looks like the ugly duckln about to get er suma that oscar myer weener for the first...superville...dead...gg

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #81 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 09:00:52 »
Is ripster back?

Sorry, no. this guy keeps this up everywhere.
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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #82 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 09:28:41 »
Is ripster back?

Sorry, no. this guy keeps this up everywhere.

keeps this up?...pray tell...whats this...if you mean sharing wild thoughts and ideas with the community...sure...why not


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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #83 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 09:44:05 »
Besides, the friction coefficient of glass is actually quite high unless you lube it. https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/friction-coefficients-d_778.html

The only benefit you would have is transparency which might be neat for lighting but most of the time you won't see the stem anyway.


This is the only point that matters. The original idea was "wouldn't glass stems make for a smoother switch?" I agree that common sense would say yes. Reality had a different answer. Look at that table. The friction of various material choices:

PTFE/steel .02-.2
Glass/metal: .5-.7
Glass/metal (lubed): .2-.3

So a best case PTFE stem is ten times smoother than the best case lubed glass. In a worst case PTFE versus lubed glass, they'd have the same amount of friction.

That's it, game over for the idea.
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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #84 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 10:27:33 »
That's it, game over

yeah...ima have to let you go...please gather your things and leave the thread...a glass marble vibed stem is still cool...sorry you share that spam mail vision with the rest of the people that had to be let go...hope you find a role that suits your ambitions to things less interesting...best of luck
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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #85 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 10:58:46 »
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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #86 on: Wed, 28 November 2018, 11:51:21 »
happy birthday

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Re: [ic] glass stems
« Reply #88 on: Wed, 28 November 2018, 21:53:04 »
happy birthday buddy. glad to see the dream isn't dead...
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Re: [ic] marble stems
« Reply #89 on: Thu, 29 November 2018, 09:05:39 »
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Miss you Jimi, plz come back to discord