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« Reply #50 on: Thu, 04 August 2011, 08:50:30 »
I got four with all clear switches. Sorta hoped that I would get one brown. I have now cleaned two and they are all four fully working, even the magnetic card reader. One has a broken foot but no big problem. One has a red cherry logo whilst the others have gray logos. The colour of the cable connector at the end also differs and I got two with purple and two with gray connectors. It seems there are several different models but the differences are minor. I am typing this from one of them right now. Will try the macroprogram for fun later. Will probably sell the others once I have cleaned them.

Edit: To clearify, I asked him beforehand and I got him to check that the switches were in fact mx clears and he could promise two clears and two unchecked. That is why I had hoped that one of the unchecked ones were brown but still good.

On another note, I also bought a NIB Keytronic Ergoforce locally for 4$ just for fun.
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« Reply #51 on: Thu, 04 August 2011, 20:00:20 »
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Will probably sell the others once I have cleaned them.


 What are you selling them for? I was considering getting one of these until he ran out.
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« Reply #52 on: Thu, 04 August 2011, 20:11:33 »
I'll trade you for one with browns, if you like.  I have one of each and far prefer the clears.  Mine's clean, don't care if yours is not (probably will be a stem donor)

BTW they are still available, he has raised the price to $23 now though.  Still not bad, just the shipping sucks.  I am half tempted to buy several just so I never run out of clears :)
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« Reply #53 on: Thu, 04 August 2011, 21:21:04 »
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What are you selling them for? I was considering getting one of these until he ran out.

... Ran out of what? The seller's got both browns and clears for sale right now.
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« Reply #54 on: Thu, 04 August 2011, 21:48:31 »
I got a pair of them (offered 40.- shipped) and took them to work.

they clean up OK, but the lasered keys still suck.  I decorated one with a mix of Round One doubleshots, -8113 black doubleshots, stock keys, an original red GH key, and lasered -3000 black keys.

One big issue I have is Cherry Tools: I can't find a way to make the programmed keys autorepeat... and I moved arrows around, so it's terrible
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« Reply #55 on: Thu, 04 August 2011, 22:43:09 »
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... Ran out of what? The seller's got both browns and clears for sale right now.


Earlier in this thread it was reported that he was out of the G80-8200s with the clear stem and only had browns left. That's not the case? :confused:

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You definitely need to request one with "white sliders" if you want clears. He sent me browns, and said the only clears he had left were the 8113 models, which are a bit more expensive. And I think he only had 2 left anyway.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Cherry-POS-Keyboard-w-Credit-Card-Swiper-MX-8100-White-/330503373182?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item4cf389417e

He did tell me the ones left are much cleaner than that one, for whatever that's worth.
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« Reply #56 on: Thu, 04 August 2011, 23:36:58 »
There was a short period of turmoil where he was figuring out what a mech switch was and the difference between the two. He pulled all auctions relating to these models of boards. He has since listed two auctions one with "White switches" and one with "Brown switches".

So no, that isn't the case. There may be only a few left of that auction with the stupid trackpad, but who wants a stupid trackpad?
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« Reply #57 on: Fri, 05 August 2011, 12:58:39 »
By the way, he'll take a $10 offer ... I went for 2 @ $10/ea + $17 shipping - 37.00 for a Brown and a Clear.  Not too shabby.  Still not thrilled with this enter key, but I'm getting used to it.
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« Reply #58 on: Fri, 05 August 2011, 17:30:50 »
Does anyone know what plastic these are? I know the regular lasered keys are PBT, but what about the relegendables or the spacebar?
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« Reply #59 on: Fri, 05 August 2011, 17:36:09 »
It just so happens that I have a set of caps from one right here...  unfortunately neither the space bar nor the relegendable caps have the material identified on them, so you'd have to test them presumably destructively :/
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« Reply #60 on: Fri, 05 August 2011, 18:57:15 »
How could you test the keys to see if they are PBT?

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« Reply #61 on: Fri, 05 August 2011, 19:10:19 »
There's a brief description in the "All About Keys" wiki.  Ripster also has a dedicated article about it:

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:14831

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« Reply #62 on: Fri, 05 August 2011, 20:35:05 »
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There was a short period of turmoil where he was figuring out what a mech switch was and the difference between the two. He pulled all auctions relating to these models of boards. He has since listed two auctions one with "White switches" and one with "Brown switches".

So no, that isn't the case. There may be only a few left of that auction with the stupid trackpad, but who wants a stupid trackpad?

 
Oh, ok. I see the other auctions now, thanks. He listed them as "MX 8000", so they didn't show up in a search for G80-8200. A number he did put inside the auction text though. :der:

For anyone interested, new auctions for browns and clears.
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« Reply #63 on: Sun, 07 August 2011, 13:35:56 »
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What are you selling them for? I was considering getting one of these until he ran out.
I am probably going to sell them locally in Sweden where I have put them up for sale at swedish computerforums. You should be able to get one from him now though if I understand the thread correctly. I can't get the freaking Cherry Tools to work in 64bit Win7 and not my friend either. Installation hangs with an Error 1935. I tried the virtual xp in win7 and it installed sucessfully but from that virtual pc, it can't see the keyboard. Will I have to throw together some crappy pc just to install xp on it to program this keyboard or what?

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Edit: First mechanical keyboard, first keyboard-restoration and damn proud of the result. It looks sorta crisp now :=
Also, I make accidental zoidbergs when I try to do smileyfaces and really need to fix some other mappings as well so please, any help with Cherry Tools?
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« Reply #64 on: Sun, 07 August 2011, 16:08:24 »
damorgue, very nice cleaning job!!  It looks like new now!

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« Reply #65 on: Sun, 07 August 2011, 16:18:09 »
yeah, nice job and I like those boards too (see sig ) I haven't tried to install Cherry tools myself but I've been told that it requires a PS/2 connection - won't work over USB.  (that's the main reason I haven't tried it - I no longer have a PC with a PS/2 port.)

My main quibble with them is the ISO enter, but I'm guessing if you're in Sweden you're probably used to it :)

so I gotta ask - what's a zoidberg?  (besides the lobster-critter from Futurama, that is.)
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« Reply #66 on: Sun, 07 August 2011, 18:03:22 »
Cherry tools worked via USB on my USB 8113. It had this frustrating issue though that it blocked out all PS/2 keyboards after login, though. Super annoying, that. And that was also on Windows 7 x64.
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« Reply #67 on: Sun, 07 August 2011, 18:13:21 »
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I can't get the freaking Cherry Tools to work in 64bit Win7 and not my friend either. Installation hangs with an Error 1935. I tried the virtual xp in win7 and it installed sucessfully but from that virtual pc, it can't see the keyboard. Will I have to throw together some crappy pc just to install xp on it to program this keyboard or what?

Cherry Tools should work fine on Windows 7 x64. I have it installed on my 7 x64 box and have used it to configure a G80-8113. Latest version is 5.8 and supports all versions of Windows from 2000 onward. English language here, also have French and German. Keep in mind that you can't use a PS2->USB converter if you have a PS2 board, or the tools won't see the board. Also, the first time running the tools it complained about the board having old firmware on it, but then offered to update the firmware and it worked fine from there.
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« Reply #68 on: Sun, 07 August 2011, 18:20:08 »
yes, that is what I meant in my previous post.  I was assuming that we were talking about the "rawko" boards primarily which are all natively PS/2 - which is not a bad thing as as I understand it those are NKRO - not sure about the USB versions.

I kind of miss having a PS/2 port.  I know, Ripster is going to mock me now.  But really, why not just include it?  It's the standard, it's more efficient than USB, and how much does it really add to the cost of a mobo?
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« Reply #69 on: Mon, 08 August 2011, 11:55:26 »
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yeah, nice job and I like those boards too (see sig ) I haven't tried to install Cherry tools myself but I've been told that it requires a PS/2 connection - won't work over USB.  (that's the main reason I haven't tried it - I no longer have a PC with a PS/2 port.)

My main quibble with them is the ISO enter, but I'm guessing if you're in Sweden you're probably used to it :)

so I gotta ask - what's a zoidberg?  (besides the lobster-critter from Futurama, that is.)

 
Thx. I only tried it on my ps/2, and yes, I have seen that it is supposed to work in win7 but neither me nor my friend can install it. In virtual xp, where it could install, I cannot import ps/2 devices. It has a special option to import usb devices but that is all.

I meant zoidberg from futurama. smiley :) becomes zoidberg := because I am confused by layouts atm.

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« Reply #70 on: Mon, 08 August 2011, 12:00:55 »
Hey ripster, I probably learnt most of what I know about keyboards from you so thx

I don't really see any advantages with usb over PS/2 though, it seems worse in every way possible. Also, wtf is this **** I hear about no more PATA or IDE? The very best optical drives are PATA...
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« Reply #71 on: Mon, 08 August 2011, 12:06:58 »
I remember someone asking what material it is and don't know if anyone answered, there is a stamp on the inside that said ABS. I don't know if the keycaps are the same plastic though.

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« Reply #72 on: Mon, 08 August 2011, 12:12:39 »
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PS/2.  Farewell.  I knew ye well.

I heard of a company that will release a pci-card with two PS/2 for mouse and keyboard as well as a game port (MIDI-port) for older joysticks and the such. Just sayin' it ain't dead just because of UEFI.

Edit: A fair guess would be that the connected peripherals won't work until the driver for the card kicks in though, so no nice keyboard until OS boots.

Edit2: My board has UEFI and a a combined PS/2, but who needs mice on that port anyway.
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« Reply #73 on: Tue, 09 August 2011, 06:14:53 »
I installed another copy of win 7 on a spare disk and I got the Cherry Tools to install. During startup, it asked me to update the firmware and it tried to but failed. The board is now bricked. Cherry Tools doesn't recognize it anymore so I can't even try to flash it back. The only sign of live is the lights for num lock, caps lock and scroll lock which are on constant now.

F**K

Does yours say "multiboard", because mine doesn't. Mine says G80-8200LPDUS /07
The /07 differs between the boards, from /05 to /08
One of the reviews clearly shows that it says "multiboard" on the label in front of these numbers. I wonder if this might be the issue.
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« Reply #74 on: Tue, 09 August 2011, 12:26:13 »
Mu-mu-multipost

I have managed to bypass the check that controls whether there is a cherryboard attached. I believe I can flash my faulty board.
Could anyone with any of these boards retrieve their firmwares through Cherry Tools and if it says "G80-8200LPBUS_V2.ckr", please upload it for me? Note the V2! My functioning boards all say V3 and I have tried to load that firmware onto my failed one and it gives warnings about not all modules beings supported and then fails.

Edit: I resolved my issues. I went to hell and back, now back to V2 of the firmware. I won't ever try that again. I am lucky I had several other similar boards to check and use in the process. If your firmwareupdate fails, and you don't have some other identical boards to solder, replace parts, update and then resolder  them back, then you are screwed. You will also need to hotswap the boards to make the program detect a board and then switch to the one that you want to flash. Damn, took me a day but I made it. If I had worked I would have earned enough to buy plenty of these though. On the other hand, it feels nice to have accomplished it.
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« Reply #75 on: Tue, 09 August 2011, 23:40:26 »
I haven't been able to get cherry tools to install on win7 64.  I even did a clean install and it still wont work. Im getting a error at the end of the installer that causes it to revert.
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« Reply #76 on: Wed, 10 August 2011, 12:24:04 »
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I haven't been able to get cherry tools to install on win7 64.  I even did a clean install and it still wont work. Im getting a error at the end of the installer that causes it to revert.

Error 1935?

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« Reply #77 on: Sat, 13 August 2011, 13:20:21 »
Yeah, Error 1935.
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« Reply #78 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 06:54:23 »
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Yeah, Error 1935.

I tried everything to solve that error but in the end couldn't resolve it. Virtual Windows XP doesn't work either since the virtual pc can't see the ps/2. My friend got the same error as well. You have two options:

A) Reinstall windows, preferably only a temporary installation on some spare disk you might have just to install Cherry Tools and program the keyboard, then remove that copy of windows and return to your proper one. This is what I did but if you don't have a spare disk around, this might become complicated.

B) Program the keyboard by key presses, yes, it can be done.

Edit: Some instructions

To Program a Key

1. Close all programs and open an editor such as Notepad or go to a DOS Prompt

2. Enter program mode by holding down the following six key combination until you hear two     beeps and ***MENU ENTRY*** is displayed in your editor.
Ctrl (left) ,Shift (left), Alt(left), Ctrl (right), Shift (right), Alt (right)

3. Press the key you wish to set to program (to select it)

4. Enter the string of keystrokes that you want

5. Press the key a second time (to set to close the key)

6. Cancel the Find/Replace box using the mouse (for Windows 2000 and XP users) if it opens

Repeat Steps 3 through 6 for any other keys that you would like to program

7. Exit Program Mode by pressing the Spacebar (you should see ***MENU EXIT*** and hear two beeps)

To Set a Key Back to Default

1. Close all programs and open an editor such as Notepad or go to a DOS Prompt

2. Enter program mode by holding down the following six key combination until you hear two     beeps and ***MENU ENTRY*** is displayed in your editor.
Ctrl (left) ,Shift (left), Alt(left), Ctrl (right), Shift (right), Alt (right)

3. Press the key you wish to set to default (to select it)

4. Press the key a second time (to set to default)

5. Cancel the Find/Replace box using the mouse (for Windows 2000 and XP users)

Repeat Steps 3 through 5 for any other keys that you would like to set to default

6. Exit Program Mode by pressing the Spacebar (you should see ***MENU EXIT*** and hear two beeps)
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« Reply #79 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 09:33:15 »
I really don't understand why this error is occurring.  I tried a clean install of windows and that didn't fix it. A friend has a very similar computer with the same motherboard and it works for him.
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« Reply #80 on: Sun, 14 August 2011, 09:50:41 »
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I really don't understand why this error is occurring.  I tried a clean install of windows and that didn't fix it. A friend has a very similar computer with the same motherboard and it works for him.

me neither, it seems arbitrary. As I said, it was the same computer that I got it working on with a fresh iosntall of windows 7. It seems common. Have you tried the non-Cherry Tools method that I mentioned?

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« Reply #81 on: Mon, 22 August 2011, 13:43:28 »
Mine was disgusting. I soaked the keycaps in hot water and soap for 3 hours and they look great now. The one I got has a diode in every switch.

How do I remove the entire switch from the PCB? Is it different when diodes are involved?

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« Reply #82 on: Mon, 22 August 2011, 13:46:21 »
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How do I remove the entire switch from the PCB? Is it different when diodes are involved?

No difference.  You just need to de-solder all 4 contact points for every switch.

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« Reply #83 on: Mon, 22 August 2011, 13:56:50 »
Oh, I thought PCB mounted switches didn't need to be desoldered. I may just take the stems and put them in my Das, we'll see.

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« Reply #84 on: Mon, 22 August 2011, 14:06:29 »
If you want to remove the switch you have to desolder it.  If you want to open the switch for cleaning or stem swap and it's a PCB mount switch, you just take the top half of the switch casing off.  The exception is if an LED is mounted in the switch in which case you have to desolder that first.
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« Reply #85 on: Mon, 22 August 2011, 16:00:20 »
re: the above, these boards make great switch try boards for various MX combinations... had one set up as ergo clears for a while to try them out.  Much faster than desoldering two (or four) points for every switch!  These particular boards just require two small jeweler's screwdrivers to pop the top on each switch, as mentioned above.  The only reason to desolder is if you wanted to harvest the entire switches for another project, or if something in the bottom part of a switch had completely failed.
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« Reply #86 on: Mon, 22 August 2011, 19:07:39 »
Well, the clears feel good but I don't think I want to disassemble my mx spos to try ergo clears just yet. Does anyone know where I could find info about cutting off the right portion of the circuitboard? I'd like to read what that entails and whether or not this keyboard would be a good candidate for something like the skeleton TKL boards in the classifieds.
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Offline damorgue

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« Reply #87 on: Wed, 24 August 2011, 00:18:40 »
Does anyone know of a cheap and simple way to get the lighter springs to try ergo clears? Just the springs that is, to avoid having to open 200 switches and only 100.

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« Reply #88 on: Wed, 24 August 2011, 01:13:47 »
Buy only springs ....

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Offline False_Dmitry_II

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« Reply #89 on: Wed, 24 August 2011, 21:45:24 »
But noone can actually find them. You'd have to custom design them and then buy a massive enough amount to make it worthwhile for the manufacturer.

Or hope that you can find someone who just hates the lighter springs and has some (yeah right).
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Offline kpeezy

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« Reply #90 on: Thu, 25 August 2011, 11:11:11 »
Ergo clears, I'm liking them (I did disassemble the mx spos temporarily). I really like the downward action but they seem to release upward in a weird manner that is a little rough. I also just hate bottoming out on these switches and I feel the same way about blues. I can only type fast (120wpm+) if I don't bottom out. I love bottoming out on browns though.

edit: Does anyone else with typing speeds similar to mine have issues bottoming out on specific switches?
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Offline JustCallMeCrash

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« Reply #91 on: Tue, 30 August 2011, 15:20:22 »
Quote from: damorgue;395180
I remember someone asking what material it is and don't know if anyone answered, there is a stamp on the inside that said ABS. I don't know if the keycaps are the same plastic though.

The frame and relegendable keys are ABS, the alpha keys are PBT.
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Offline noodles256

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« Reply #92 on: Tue, 30 August 2011, 15:35:29 »
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Offline False_Dmitry_II

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« Reply #93 on: Tue, 30 August 2011, 18:52:01 »
Quote from: JustCallMeCrash;407616
The frame and relegendable keys are ABS, the alpha keys are PBT.

If you found that from the wiki, that's because I was the one who asked and then destroyed my relegendable keys to find out they were ABS.

That stamp would have referred directly to the case and nothing else though.
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