Post by: Zeal on Mon, 22 August 2016, 21:58:40
The highly anticipated R4 Zealio GB & newly released products are now live on my site!
Click the images for links to the site!
R4 Zealio Switches: 78g weight updated, force curve now more uniform.
(http://puu.sh/qL3k3/cc554b9f1f.jpg) (https://zealpc.net/products/zealio)
Zeal60 RGB LED PCB [
(http://i.imgur.com/Sdhpcns.jpg]) (https://zealpc.net/products/zeal60rgb)
Zeal Transparent Stabilizers:
(http://i.imgur.com/zCDefd9.jpg) (https://zealpc.net/products/zealstabilizers)
Zealencio Silencing Clips:
(http://i.imgur.com/iuKWH82.jpg) (https://zealpc.net/products/zealencio)
Cheers,
Zeal
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 22 August 2016, 21:58:49
Reserved for updates.
October 4, 2016:
Zeal60 Prototype is going through final phase of testing. Once OK'd it'll be produced very shortly.
(http://puu.sh/rxxnj/6671612502.jpg)
Zealios & accessories are still planned for November shipping. Will get a more definite date in a few weeks.
Oct 8, 2016
Prototypes getting sent to me very soon.
(http://puu.sh/rC43E/e233358fff.jpg)
Oct 20, 2016
Zealios are expected to ship out from Gateron to me on November 15. Zealencios and Transparent Stabilizers will ship out November 21, both via DHL Express.
Oct 24, 2016
Zeal60 Prototype received
(http://puu.sh/rUDdx/af63232b02.JPG)
Oct 31, 2016
Zeal60 built up
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84248.msg2293566#msg2293566
Nov 16, 2016
First half of shipment is picked up,
(http://puu.sh/sl4Z5/6becf38b9f.png)
Dec 24, 2016
All non-PCB orders shipped
Jan 3, 2017
All PCB orders shipped. GB complete (minus a few orders combining with Lustro/Weaven)
Post by: bigx333 on Tue, 23 August 2016, 08:02:57
Post by: MediocreBadGuy23 on Tue, 23 August 2016, 08:11:15
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Tue, 23 August 2016, 08:12:49
Grabbing some of all of this no matter what :thumb:
Post by: pmck on Tue, 23 August 2016, 08:14:16
Think I'll make a GH 60 board with them :D have a new plate I can use too
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 23 August 2016, 08:24:35
Either way, I'll definitely need stabs, so I'll order those early and push in a few switches next month, that way I'll have the early shipping even though I have to wait for money :)
Post by: milchek on Tue, 23 August 2016, 08:41:52
Post by: Dreamre on Tue, 23 August 2016, 09:03:41
Post by: feralfoo on Tue, 23 August 2016, 09:15:16
Post by: Data on Tue, 23 August 2016, 09:35:59
Post by: jal on Tue, 23 August 2016, 09:48:54
Post by: breitling on Tue, 23 August 2016, 10:20:44
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 23 August 2016, 10:54:01
Post by: Vadurr on Tue, 23 August 2016, 12:29:37
Post by: nugglets on Tue, 23 August 2016, 12:39:00
This gonna be some good ****, though =)
Post by: pmck on Tue, 23 August 2016, 12:46:41
Regarding the silencing clips; I think I must have an incorrect mental picture of what is going on here. Are these in place of using o-rings?More in place of stickers. But they achieve the same thing just feel slightly different
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Post by: Zeal on Tue, 23 August 2016, 15:04:34
so the topside of the pcb has smd leds? Sorry if I'm out of the loop on it.
Grabbing some of all of this no matter what :thumb:
No, the LEDs are installed on the back. PCB has holes to accommodate the LEDs shooting upwards into the switch. This prevents interference issues and doesn't require SMD compatible switch bottoms.
Are the stab plastics compatible with SPRiT's wires (this would solve the 7u vs 6,25u problem for me since I still have wires)?Standard 1.6mm diameter wires will work, so yes.
Either way, I'll definitely need stabs, so I'll order those early and push in a few switches next month, that way I'll have the early shipping even though I have to wait for money :)
Zeal, how would one remove the silencing clips if it needed to be removed (change leds, fix switch, etc.)?
There will be small notch on the left and right side of the clips for you to push open, similar to opening switch tops. Just a small flat head or wedge tool will work.
Any chance we can get a 2u only option for the stabilizers? Like maybe a 4-pack? I'd like to buy a set for VE.A or maybe Ergodox and have no need for a 6.25u or 7u wire. It would be nice for number pads too...
During the GB stage, only the shown 3 stabilizer packs will be offered to help with spacebar stabilizer MOQs. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Regarding the silencing clips; I think I must have an incorrect mental picture of what is going on here. Are these in place of using o-rings?
They are thinner than orings, but help reduce bottom out and upstroke sound (orings don't reduce the upstroke). Check the product page for a typing video demonstration on how much the switches are silenced by.
can all of these items be ordered and shipped together and does the pcb have some sort of first-run marking?
They'll all be shipped together. "Rev 0" will be the first run marking, unless there's something else people wanted to see...Trying not to clutter the PCB with text.
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Tue, 23 August 2016, 15:10:09
can all of these items be ordered and shipped together and does the pcb have some sort of first-run marking?They'll all be shipped together. "Rev 0" will be the first run marking, unless there's something else people wanted to see...Trying not to clutter the PCB with text.
Do the text in gold or something to sginify the first run :p :cool:
Post by: breitling on Tue, 23 August 2016, 15:11:18
can all of these items be ordered and shipped together and does the pcb have some sort of first-run marking?
They'll all be shipped together. "Rev 0" will be the first run marking, unless there's something else people wanted to see...Trying not to clutter the PCB with text.
Cool. I was thinking maybe a 24k gold plaque with a REV.0 Engraving.. maybe the 0 could be a 1 carat diamond. just kidding ;)
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 23 August 2016, 15:26:51
can all of these items be ordered and shipped together and does the pcb have some sort of first-run marking?They'll all be shipped together. "Rev 0" will be the first run marking, unless there's something else people wanted to see...Trying not to clutter the PCB with text.
Do the text in gold or something to sginify the first run :p :cool:
The golden/yellow parts you see on the PCB will reflect the actual look. :) Zeal60 and the golden Zealio switch will be on both sides of the PCB.
can all of these items be ordered and shipped together and does the pcb have some sort of first-run marking?
They'll all be shipped together. "Rev 0" will be the first run marking, unless there's something else people wanted to see...Trying not to clutter the PCB with text.
Cool. I was thinking maybe a 24k gold plaque with a REV.0 Engraving.. maybe the 0 could be a 1 carat diamond. just kidding ;)
Uh.....sure. Just pay for the diamond. :D
Post by: priyadi on Tue, 23 August 2016, 15:28:44
No, the LEDs are installed on the back. PCB has holes to accommodate the LEDs shooting upwards into the switch. This prevents interference issues and doesn't require SMD compatible switch bottoms.
What? I thought LEDs are installed like usual, on the top of the switch. Any pictures you can show us?
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 23 August 2016, 15:37:35
No, the LEDs are installed on the back. PCB has holes to accommodate the LEDs shooting upwards into the switch. This prevents interference issues and doesn't require SMD compatible switch bottoms.
What? I thought LEDs are installed like usual, on the top of the switch. Any pictures you can show us?
Will have to keep the back side of the PCB private for now. Just know that it uses a special type of SMD LED and lights the switch from below. There is no through hole LEDs required/support for the Zeal60.
Post by: priyadi on Tue, 23 August 2016, 15:48:17
Will have to keep the back side of the PCB private for now. Just know that it uses a special type of SMD LED and lights the switch from below. There is no through hole LEDs required/support for the Zeal60.
So, if I understand correctly, the LEDs will be presoldered, and we don't need the "4 pin RGB LED" from your other group buy, right?
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Tue, 23 August 2016, 15:51:30
can all of these items be ordered and shipped together and does the pcb have some sort of first-run marking?They'll all be shipped together. "Rev 0" will be the first run marking, unless there's something else people wanted to see...Trying not to clutter the PCB with text.
Do the text in gold or something to sginify the first run :p :cool:
The golden/yellow parts you see on the PCB will reflect the actual look. :) Zeal60 and the golden Zealio switch will be on both sides of the PCB.
Infinity symbol instead of 0? :cool: :p
Post by: katushkin on Tue, 23 August 2016, 15:57:07
I have a question about the stabs, are they compatible with pretty much every plate/PCB combination, i.e. a Lightsaver?
Post by: Data on Tue, 23 August 2016, 16:19:36
Any chance we can get a 2u only option for the stabilizers? Like maybe a 4-pack? I'd like to buy a set for VE.A or maybe Ergodox and have no need for a 6.25u or 7u wire. It would be nice for number pads too...
During the GB stage, only the shown 3 stabilizer packs will be offered to help with spacebar stabilizer MOQs. Sorry for the inconvenience.
I guess I'll wait then? :-[
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 23 August 2016, 16:40:16
Will have to keep the back side of the PCB private for now. Just know that it uses a special type of SMD LED and lights the switch from below. There is no through hole LEDs required/support for the Zeal60.
So, if I understand correctly, the LEDs will be presoldered, and we don't need the "4 pin RGB LED" from your other group buy, right?
That's correct. The 4-pin RGB LEDs are mostly for those that want to tinker and make their own 4 pin RGB supported PCBs, or attempt at hand wiring, etc.
Glad to see rounds and rounds of these Zealios still going :D
I have a question about the stabs, are they compatible with pretty much every plate/PCB combination, i.e. a Lightsaver?
Yes, my stabilizers are compatible with pretty much every plate/PCB that uses regular Cherry PCB mount stabs.
Post by: nugglets on Tue, 23 August 2016, 17:01:45
No, the LEDs are installed on the back. PCB has holes to accommodate the LEDs shooting upwards into the switch. This prevents interference issues and doesn't require SMD compatible switch bottoms.
What? I thought LEDs are installed like usual, on the top of the switch. Any pictures you can show us?
If I understand correctly, it's going to be something like this: (http://www.duckychannel.com.tw/page-en/One-TKL-RGB-version/images/One-TKL-RGB-version_09_01.jpg)
The Ducky One RGB, Pok3r RGB and Masterkeys RGB have SMD's soldered like this too. It's a cool way to solve two problems, one of which being compatible switches (which isn't a problem for those makers, obviously) but also in the event of an LED failure you don't have to remove the switch to solder in a replacement. And from a production standpoint, having all the wave soldering happen in one pass is surely a large benefit as well.
Post by: Phenix on Tue, 23 August 2016, 17:03:31
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 23 August 2016, 17:08:15
Which layouta support the pcb? Hoping for apot space..
Zeal60 supports: ANSI, ISO, HHKB, Winkey & Winkeyless layouts. No split space for this round.
Post by: robbles on Tue, 23 August 2016, 18:19:05
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 23 August 2016, 18:21:20
Has anything been done to improve key wobble present in past rounds?
Stem mould is being tweaked to reduce wobble, and will be ready for the R4 production.
Post by: jal on Tue, 23 August 2016, 19:56:11
Regarding the silencing clips; I think I must have an incorrect mental picture of what is going on here. Are these in place of using o-rings?More in place of stickers. But they achieve the same thing just feel slightly different
Thanks for setting me straight. That makes a lot more sense than the frankenswitch I was mentally constructing to accommodate this.
Post by: PriusProblems on Wed, 24 August 2016, 03:49:58
Post by: rondg on Wed, 24 August 2016, 05:26:51
Post by: pmck on Wed, 24 August 2016, 05:28:26
Will there be an R2 on the pcb? I was about to order one but it's already sold out :(I saw on the /r/mk thread that there's going to be one next year some time hopefully!
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Post by: pwade3 on Wed, 24 August 2016, 09:39:04
Now to figure out what to do with it.
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Wed, 24 August 2016, 11:00:32
Regarding the silencing clips; I think I must have an incorrect mental picture of what is going on here. Are these in place of using o-rings?More in place of stickers. But they achieve the same thing just feel slightly different
Thanks for setting me straight. That makes a lot more sense than the frankenswitch I was mentally constructing to accommodate this.
Stickers don't reduce noise they reduce switch top wobble??
Post by: yottagray on Wed, 24 August 2016, 12:13:33
Post by: pmck on Wed, 24 August 2016, 12:15:30
Sorry not stickers, I meant the foam ones that sit on top of the switch, can't remember what they're called. I always just called them stickersRegarding the silencing clips; I think I must have an incorrect mental picture of what is going on here. Are these in place of using o-rings?More in place of stickers. But they achieve the same thing just feel slightly different
Thanks for setting me straight. That makes a lot more sense than the frankenswitch I was mentally constructing to accommodate this.
Stickers don't reduce noise they reduce switch top wobble??
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Post by: DALExSNAIL on Wed, 24 August 2016, 12:17:13
Sorry not stickers, I meant the foam ones that sit on top of the switch, can't remember what they're called. I always just called them stickersRegarding the silencing clips; I think I must have an incorrect mental picture of what is going on here. Are these in place of using o-rings?More in place of stickers. But they achieve the same thing just feel slightly different
Thanks for setting me straight. That makes a lot more sense than the frankenswitch I was mentally constructing to accommodate this.
Stickers don't reduce noise they reduce switch top wobble??
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Never seen ones for the top of the switch besides these and the GMK versions. Might have to look around to find those.
Post by: JaccoW on Wed, 24 August 2016, 14:01:29
Post by: djchup on Wed, 24 August 2016, 15:10:34
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 24 August 2016, 15:46:38
Sorry not stickers, I meant the foam ones that sit on top of the switch, can't remember what they're called. I always just called them stickersRegarding the silencing clips; I think I must have an incorrect mental picture of what is going on here. Are these in place of using o-rings?More in place of stickers. But they achieve the same thing just feel slightly different
Thanks for setting me straight. That makes a lot more sense than the frankenswitch I was mentally constructing to accommodate this.
Stickers don't reduce noise they reduce switch top wobble??
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Never seen ones for the top of the switch besides these and the GMK versions. Might have to look around to find those.
I don't think he means clips, just the foam landing pads that EK
Post by: pmck on Wed, 24 August 2016, 16:51:58
Yup that's them.Sorry not stickers, I meant the foam ones that sit on top of the switch, can't remember what they're called. I always just called them stickersRegarding the silencing clips; I think I must have an incorrect mental picture of what is going on here. Are these in place of using o-rings?More in place of stickers. But they achieve the same thing just feel slightly different
Thanks for setting me straight. That makes a lot more sense than the frankenswitch I was mentally constructing to accommodate this.
Stickers don't reduce noise they reduce switch top wobble??
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Never seen ones for the top of the switch besides these and the GMK versions. Might have to look around to find those.
I don't think he means clips, just the foam landing pads that EKused tosell: https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=access,slpads&pid=sl120_cs
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Post by: breitling on Wed, 24 August 2016, 22:10:11
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Post by: yowaffle on Thu, 25 August 2016, 11:56:23
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 25 August 2016, 12:43:23
damn! pcb sold out!!
Yeah..those went quick. 36hrs iic.
Any idea when the firmware for the Zeal60 will become available? Was thinking if it's TMK it shouldn't be too hard to get a QMK port going.
We'll release it when it's ready, definitely before the board ships.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 25 August 2016, 16:28:52
Post by: duynguyenle on Thu, 25 August 2016, 16:38:32
I just got around to trying out my R3 67g Zealios in a keyboard esque (not yet soldered) environment. I realized that some of them sound very similar to my 62g ones, but some do some really strange clicking noise when depressed quickly (they sound normal when depressed veeery slowly). Did anyone experience something like that before? Does anyone know a fix for it? I'll try to fix it tomorrow, but if anyone has an idea it will probably save me a lot of time.
Try lubing the top and bottom of the spring?
Post by: jennb on Thu, 25 August 2016, 19:49:43
Post by: sprit on Fri, 26 August 2016, 01:48:00
I've been sort of inactive for awhile but R4 brought me back! really excited for the 78g!
No Idea For What ground zeal calls his 78g ?? as 78g.
- Any proper measurement? If any, Show us please !
- What's Your Reference? Is it really 78g ?
- More than 30% of your R3 switches still have problems with squeaking noise, unstable bottoming with unpleasant noise and wobbling feelings never experienced before with other switches, what's the cause? Still have QC issues?
- Does Anyone have similar issues?
As one of your Gateron customers, and as a MX Springs Designer, I have to ask the Basic Questions for the People, Nothing personal at all. As a Chinese saying, 'Bitter advice can be a good medicine' Thanks! :)
Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 26 August 2016, 06:29:10
Try lubing the top and bottom of the spring?
It was not pinging it was a clicking sound. But I found out why this occurred and also why no one else had this before.
I compared the switches that made the click and the ones that didn't. Well, when I opened one of the "clicky" ones and pulled the leaf out to look for any major damage the other contact (the one that is stationary) just fell out. Well, it didn't on the non clicking one I opened before, so I grabbed another clicking one, put my finger against the pin on the bottom and voila it did not click anymore. Seems like it is only a problem when they are not soldered in, but it's still not perfect this way, so I hope Zeal will be working on fixing this.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 26 August 2016, 11:50:54
Post by: romevi on Fri, 26 August 2016, 12:04:35
Post by: priyadi on Fri, 26 August 2016, 13:23:48
I notice there are 14 breakout pins: 6 are near Tab, 4 between 1 & 2, and 4 between H & J. Any particular reason why they are positioned that way?
Post by: djchup on Fri, 26 August 2016, 13:44:28
edit: resolved this through email
Post by: sprit on Fri, 26 August 2016, 18:36:39
Yes, many of your concerns/issues have been addressed over the Summer when I visited the factory in June. We had a lengthy discussion with the Engineers and various improvements were touched base on and will be implemented for R4.
Appreciate Your Answer! it sounds QC issues prevail until R3.
For the unanswered Questions :
- For What ground you calls your 78g ?? as 78g ?
- Any proper measurement? Is it really 78g ?
- What's Your Reference?
As one of your customers, I am curious on these Basic Questions, Nothing personal at all. Thanks! :)
Post by: xondat on Fri, 26 August 2016, 18:44:20
lol niceYes, many of your concerns/issues have been addressed over the Summer when I visited the factory in June. We had a lengthy discussion with the Engineers and various improvements were touched base on and will be implemented for R4.
Appreciate Your Answer! it sounds QC issues prevail until R3.
For the unanswered Questions :
- For What ground you calls your 78g ?? as 78g ?
- Any proper measurement? If any, Show us please !
- What's Your Reference? Is it really 78g ?
As one of your customers, I am asking the Basic Questions for the People, Nothing personal at all. Thanks! :)
is it okay if he takes months to reply to your question like you do to your customers? :-*
Post by: sprit on Fri, 26 August 2016, 19:04:03
lol niceIts up to him, None of Your Business. 汪汪!
is it okay if he takes months to reply to your question like you do to your customers? :-*
Post by: xondat on Fri, 26 August 2016, 19:16:15
but the questions you just asked are none of your business lad, woof wooflol niceIts up to him, None of Your Business. 汪汪!
is it okay if he takes months to reply to your question like you do to your customers? :-*
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 26 August 2016, 21:42:03
Zeal, can you tell me what controller is used with Zeal60 PCB? And what LED controller?
I notice there are 14 breakout pins: 6 are near Tab, 4 between 1 & 2, and 4 between H & J. Any particular reason why they are positioned that way?
Controller: ATmega32U4
LED Controller: IS31FL3731
As for the breakout pins, they're there because that's where they can fit. Mostly for re-routing USB header for custom DIY cases, RGB LED strips, etc.
Post by: ManicMatt1125 on Sat, 27 August 2016, 13:04:02
I am tempted to try, but alas, I am a clicky key individual..
Post by: pmck on Sat, 27 August 2016, 13:15:25
Possibly a dumb question, but if I am a fan of the clicky keys, such as MX blue, would I enjoy the linear aspect of Zelios? I believe that these are similar to the clears, browns and blacks, which means no clickThey have a tactile bump just no real clicking sound. Ms brown and clear are the same. Black have no bump at all. So you'll feel the same sort of bump as with blues just quieter.
I am tempted to try, but alas, I am a clicky key individual..
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Post by: priyadi on Sat, 27 August 2016, 13:34:00
Possibly a dumb question, but if I am a fan of the clicky keys, such as MX blue, would I enjoy the linear aspect of Zelios? I believe that these are similar to the clears, browns and blacks, which means no click
I am tempted to try, but alas, I am a clicky key individual..
I also prefer clicky keys, but I find they attract too much attention in offices and public places. Right now I'm using gateron blues at home and my work room at the office. But for my travel keyboards (60% & Planck), I'm fitting them with Zealios. I find they are the best unmodded MX compatible switches if blues are out of question.
Post by: ManicMatt1125 on Sat, 27 August 2016, 13:38:05
Possibly a dumb question, but if I am a fan of the clicky keys, such as MX blue, would I enjoy the linear aspect of Zelios? I believe that these are similar to the clears, browns and blacks, which means no click
I am tempted to try, but alas, I am a clicky key individual..
I also prefer clicky keys, but I find they attract too much attention in offices and public places. Right now I'm using gateron blues at home and my work room at the office. But for my travel keyboards (60% & Planck), I'm fitting them with Zealios. I find they are the best unmodded MX compatible switches if blues are out of question.
So I use blues at my work (co-workers learned to deal with my eccentricity) If Blues ARE an option, how would you rate zelios vs them? And which would flavor would you choose?
Post by: priyadi on Sat, 27 August 2016, 16:09:54
I also prefer clicky keys, but I find they attract too much attention in offices and public places. Right now I'm using gateron blues at home and my work room at the office. But for my travel keyboards (60% & Planck), I'm fitting them with Zealios. I find they are the best unmodded MX compatible switches if blues are out of question.
So I use blues at my work (co-workers learned to deal with my eccentricity) If Blues ARE an option, how would you rate zelios vs them? And which would flavor would you choose?
If I had the luxury of your coworkers, I'd use blues TBH. But YMMV, I know a lot of people who prefer Zealios to blues.
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Sun, 28 August 2016, 04:27:19
I know a lot of people who prefer Zealios to blues.
yeah... it depends on personal taste, I guess.
I think I should use tactile-only sw at my work but Brown is a NO because I can hardly feel any things.
The zealio sw, like clear sw, has a bigger bump so I would expect it to have similar tactile feel like blue sw.
I definitely join this GB, I also might grab the silencing clips but that depends on my salary this month.
btw, I also prefer clicky switch.
Post by: Malenky on Sun, 28 August 2016, 06:42:13
Post by: nicx on Sun, 28 August 2016, 09:39:51
Post by: Malenky on Sun, 28 August 2016, 12:45:55
Post by: romevi on Sun, 28 August 2016, 17:44:07
Post by: Kubiedo on Sun, 28 August 2016, 18:54:10
Thanks!
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 28 August 2016, 21:55:07
I wouldn't lube Zealios. They already have lube so lubing them again makes them mushy.
I would disagree with you. Too much lube would make it lose its tactile bump. Properly done, they feel like hot knife through butter.
Is there a difference between R3 and R4 65g switches?
Thanks!
Spring weight didn't change. Only the general mould alterations all around.
Post by: romevi on Sun, 28 August 2016, 23:12:52
I wouldn't lube Zealios. They already have lube so lubing them again makes them mushy.
I would disagree with you. Too much lube would make it lose its tactile bump. Properly done, they feel like hot knife through butter.
What mixture of lube and method of application would you recommend?
I had my board built with the switches and, admittedly, the only instruction I provided was "light lubing." Upon return, the switches felt mushy and the feeling of tactility was diminished greatly. I blamed the second coat of lube.
Post by: kokokoy on Mon, 29 August 2016, 00:19:47
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 29 August 2016, 00:25:07
I wouldn't lube Zealios. They already have lube so lubing them again makes them mushy.
I would disagree with you. Too much lube would make it lose its tactile bump. Properly done, they feel like hot knife through butter.
What mixture of lube and method of application would you recommend?
I had my board built with the switches and, admittedly, the only instruction I provided was "light lubing." Upon return, the switches felt mushy and the feeling of tactility was diminished greatly. I blamed the second coat of lube.
There's no one method suits all when it comes to lubing. You really have to test out which areas you like lubed and build it yourself. I go over the rails, front/back, left/right, legs, pole. Some avoid the legs, etc, etc.
Quick one, what would be closest to the feeling of a 67g on SA be if its on a cherry?
I don't use SA, so I can't help you there. If you like the feel of 67g, then it should work great with all caps.
Post by: kokokoy on Mon, 29 August 2016, 01:24:38
Quick one, what would be closest to the feeling of a 67g on SA be if its on a cherry?
I don't use SA, so I can't help you there. If you like the feel of 67g, then it should work great with all caps.
I like my 67g but there are just times that I "think" I need something lighter. The thing is I don't use my SA too. Anyway thanks let me just think through it then put an order in the next few weeks.
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Mon, 29 August 2016, 22:03:17
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 29 August 2016, 22:06:20
If I already placed an order for x120 65g switches, is it possible to just add x10 78g switches? Or will I need to add x20 to my order? Thanks!
Send me an email and I can either cancel your current order so you can re-order, or send you a custom cart link for 10x more. Let me know which one you prefer.
Post by: Axiomatik on Tue, 30 August 2016, 00:19:03
Post by: gameaholic on Tue, 30 August 2016, 00:36:15
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Tue, 30 August 2016, 00:59:32
Any plans for a TKL pcb?
Or a 96-key? ;D
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 30 August 2016, 02:15:44
What do I need to order for 60% standard layout board? I've never assembled a board myself, but if i do it has to be with these Zealios.
61-62 keys depending on ANSI or ISO. A few more if short right shift/hhkb backspace. Generally 65-70 is a good amount for a 60% build, as you're left with extras in case of mistakes/accidents.
Any plans for a TKL pcb?
Or a 96-key? ;D
TKL high chance, 96key...hard to say.
Post by: Axiomatik on Tue, 30 August 2016, 15:20:42
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 30 August 2016, 16:42:51
How much easier will it be to use the 65g milky switches vs. 78g. I have limited experience in soldering.
The milky bottom Zealios aren't any more "easier" to solder...just more so that it can take a bit more of a beating than the clear bottom ones.
Post by: owacle on Wed, 31 August 2016, 18:25:36
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 31 August 2016, 18:43:43
I had a browse through this thread but I didn't see what the estimated shipping date will be. Did I just miss it somewhere?
Go make an order, shipping will be quoted on checkout.
Post by: pmck on Wed, 31 August 2016, 18:46:49
I had a browse through this thread but I didn't see what the estimated shipping date will be. Did I just miss it somewhere?
yeah, heres whats on the bottom of the GB store page
Quote
GB is expected to open until end of September, but may be closed earlier or postponed without notice. Projecting shipping time frame is October-November. As we get closer to the GB closing stages, a more updated shipping date will be provided.
Post by: evera on Wed, 31 August 2016, 19:12:57
Post by: depreshun on Wed, 31 August 2016, 19:18:33
Post by: gameaholic on Wed, 31 August 2016, 23:51:00
Any plans for a TKL pcb?TKL high chance, 96key...hard to say.
Sweet. I would just need a TKL WKL Titanium color KMAC style case and I might have my end game keyboard.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 01 September 2016, 01:18:54
If I order some Zealios, but also order stuff like LEDs, will the other items ship with the switches? Or am I not allowed to order them together?
For items such as LEDs, etc, those will be shipped with the switches when they're all ready to go out.
Post by: depreshun on Thu, 01 September 2016, 02:21:53
If I order some Zealios, but also order stuff like LEDs, will the other items ship with the switches? Or am I not allowed to order them together?
For items such as LEDs, etc, those will be shipped with the switches when they're all ready to go out.
Bless. I'll be ordering 100 zealios soon here, love the 67g
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sat, 03 September 2016, 15:29:16
Edit:
No idea what was up exactly, but now I've got a new one in and it works again :thumb:
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Sun, 04 September 2016, 13:38:26
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 04 September 2016, 14:51:35
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sun, 04 September 2016, 15:18:29
$50 Stabs? :eek:
The price is justified considering all the work he put into them. New molds, transparent, gold wires and gold screw/nut.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 04 September 2016, 15:19:49
$50 Stabs? :eek:
The price is justified considering all the work he put into them. New molds, transparent, gold wires and gold screw/nut.
I understand this, but I wanted clear stabs ._.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sun, 04 September 2016, 15:21:45
$50 Stabs? :eek:
The price is justified considering all the work he put into them. New molds, transparent, gold wires and gold screw/nut.
I understand this, but I wanted clear stabs ._.
Well I mean the taobao ones are garbage compared to these. There is also no need to mod the slider
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 04 September 2016, 15:22:42
I know, it's just that it's a third of what I just spent on a custom, and you have to remember the Canadian dollar sucks atm.$50 Stabs? :eek:
The price is justified considering all the work he put into them. New molds, transparent, gold wires and gold screw/nut.
I understand this, but I wanted clear stabs ._.
Well I mean the taobao ones are garbage compared to these. There is also no need to mod the slider
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Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sun, 04 September 2016, 15:25:44
I know, it's just that it's a third of what I just spent on a custom, and you have to remember the Canadian dollar sucks atm.$50 Stabs? :eek:
The price is justified considering all the work he put into them. New molds, transparent, gold wires and gold screw/nut.
I understand this, but I wanted clear stabs ._.
Well I mean the taobao ones are garbage compared to these. There is also no need to mod the slider
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That is a very inexpensive custom than. I'd highly recommend avoiding the taobao clear stabs though. These are far more superior.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 04 September 2016, 15:30:29
It is the s60x RGB. I went with cherry stabs.I know, it's just that it's a third of what I just spent on a custom, and you have to remember the Canadian dollar sucks atm.$50 Stabs? :eek:
The price is justified considering all the work he put into them. New molds, transparent, gold wires and gold screw/nut.
I understand this, but I wanted clear stabs ._.
Well I mean the taobao ones are garbage compared to these. There is also no need to mod the slider
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That is a very inexpensive custom than. I'd highly recommend avoiding the taobao clear stabs though. These are far more superior.
And for me, it is not all that cheap, being a student.
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Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sun, 04 September 2016, 15:34:47
It is the s60x RGB. I went with cherry stabs.I know, it's just that it's a third of what I just spent on a custom, and you have to remember the Canadian dollar sucks atm.$50 Stabs? :eek:
The price is justified considering all the work he put into them. New molds, transparent, gold wires and gold screw/nut.
I understand this, but I wanted clear stabs ._.
Well I mean the taobao ones are garbage compared to these. There is also no need to mod the slider
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That is a very inexpensive custom than. I'd highly recommend avoiding the taobao clear stabs though. These are far more superior.
And for me, it is not all that cheap, being a student.
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Ah okay. Cherry stabs are nice just need to be modded. I was just saying it's inexpensive in regards to other customs.
Post by: deductivemonkee on Sun, 04 September 2016, 15:35:20
Oh yeah. I am planning on clipping them, can't stand mushy stabs.It is the s60x RGB. I went with cherry stabs.I know, it's just that it's a third of what I just spent on a custom, and you have to remember the Canadian dollar sucks atm.$50 Stabs? :eek:
The price is justified considering all the work he put into them. New molds, transparent, gold wires and gold screw/nut.
I understand this, but I wanted clear stabs ._.
Well I mean the taobao ones are garbage compared to these. There is also no need to mod the slider
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That is a very inexpensive custom than. I'd highly recommend avoiding the taobao clear stabs though. These are far more superior.
And for me, it is not all that cheap, being a student.
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Ah okay. Cherry stabs are nice just need to be modded. I was just saying it's inexpensive in regards to other customs.
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Post by: owacle on Sun, 04 September 2016, 15:35:45
I had a browse through this thread but I didn't see what the estimated shipping date will be. Did I just miss it somewhere?
yeah, heres whats on the bottom of the GB store pageQuoteGB is expected to open until end of September, but may be closed earlier or postponed without notice. Projecting shipping time frame is October-November. As we get closer to the GB closing stages, a more updated shipping date will be provided.
Thanks guys
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 04 September 2016, 16:28:14
@ZealPC I wasn't paying close enough attention to GH and the PCB sold out before I could snag one. I'm sorry if this was already addressed, but do you have an ETA of a second batch? Ordered 100x 78g and a set of those gorgeous stabs! Thank you, supreme group buy commander!
Second batch is scheduled for early next year, no dates yet.
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Sun, 04 September 2016, 18:46:00
Post by: pmck on Mon, 05 September 2016, 05:47:46
Post by: wongie on Mon, 05 September 2016, 07:55:07
Second batch is scheduled for early next year, no dates yet.
Any plans on a Zeal65 coming out along with the 2nd batch?
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 05 September 2016, 09:33:08
Second batch is scheduled for early next year, no dates yet.
Any plans on a Zeal65 coming out along with the 2nd batch?
One step at a time. ;)
Need to wrap up the current GB before venturing into other plans.
Post by: krisst on Mon, 05 September 2016, 11:46:16
Personally just waiting for VE.A to be ship and arrive. Earliest to reach me would be end of Sept, this is my own guess. Have only ordered the clear stabs this time around as I have Zealios ready from the last 2 GB. Because the order only contain clear stabs, if you receive the shipment for them first, would you be shipping them out to orders that only have clear stabs (for this example), or would you be waiting for all the products to arrive and ship out orders by their order number. Of course it would be possible that the stabs would reach you the last, if that is the case, nothing much as be done for you to ship them out early.
Post by: priyadi on Mon, 05 September 2016, 13:07:42
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 05 September 2016, 21:05:43
Zeal, any possibility to ship those clear stab as soon as you received them? I mean shipping from the factory to you, probably will not be all at the same time for all the different products in this GB.
Personally just waiting for VE.A to be ship and arrive. Earliest to reach me would be end of Sept, this is my own guess. Have only ordered the clear stabs this time around as I have Zealios ready from the last 2 GB. Because the order only contain clear stabs, if you receive the shipment for them first, would you be shipping them out to orders that only have clear stabs (for this example), or would you be waiting for all the products to arrive and ship out orders by their order number. Of course it would be possible that the stabs would reach you the last, if that is the case, nothing much as be done for you to ship them out early.
The whole shipment will either be split into 2 or 3 shipments, but complete all at once. They'll arrive one day apart as they're all being flown Express via DHL. Orders will be fulfilled as soon as possible, based on first-to-order basis.
Zeal, how many layer does the PCB have? And can we see the other side of the PCB? If possible, I want to drill a hole in the middle of GHB keys for a trackpoint mod. Looking at the lines I think it just might be possible, but still need to see the other side to be certain.
Double layered PCB. For the time being the other side won't be shown for specific reasons, but there are many traces running across the GHB keys so you wouldn't be able to drill a hole there.
Post by: krisst on Mon, 05 September 2016, 23:18:04
Post by: priyadi on Mon, 05 September 2016, 23:37:45
Zeal, how many layer does the PCB have? And can we see the other side of the PCB? If possible, I want to drill a hole in the middle of GHB keys for a trackpoint mod. Looking at the lines I think it just might be possible, but still need to see the other side to be certain.
Double layered PCB. For the time being the other side won't be shown for specific reasons, but there are many traces running across the GHB keys so you wouldn't be able to drill a hole there.
That's a bummer. For next revision, please consider adding a hole there for the trackpoint. And better yet, add the necessary circuitry to support trackpoint.
(https://deskthority.net/w/images/thumb/2/25/T40-Pinout.png/800px-T40-Pinout.png)
Post by: ileben on Tue, 06 September 2016, 04:02:43
Has anything been done to improve key wobble present in past rounds?
Stem mould is being tweaked to reduce wobble, and will be ready for the R4 production.
Any update on this? Has the new stem prototype been confirmed to wobble less yet?
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 06 September 2016, 06:43:47
Post by: priyadi on Tue, 06 September 2016, 09:17:14
Why not create a trackpoint that can be wired in on top of a PCB instead? Just put wires between the switches and put the trackpoint controller in the case?
That is impossible. The trackpoint unit and its controller can't be separated.
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 06 September 2016, 09:20:10
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 06 September 2016, 11:11:30
Has anything been done to improve key wobble present in past rounds?
Stem mould is being tweaked to reduce wobble, and will be ready for the R4 production.
Any update on this? Has the new stem prototype been confirmed to wobble less yet?
Yes, Gateron has finished tweaking the stem mould and said it wobbles less, just waiting on one final part of another thing...Will get a bunch of new samples shipped to me in a week.
Post by: B1G_B1RD on Tue, 06 September 2016, 15:45:46
Has anything been done to improve key wobble present in past rounds?
Stem mould is being tweaked to reduce wobble, and will be ready for the R4 production.
Any update on this? Has the new stem prototype been confirmed to wobble less yet?
Yes, Gateron has finished tweaking the stem mould and said it wobbles less, just waiting on one final part of another thing...Will get a bunch of new samples shipped to me in a week.
That's good to hear. I still haven't been able to use my R3 Zealios so i can't weigh in on the issue...but less wobble is good!
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 06 September 2016, 16:02:46
Thought I would end up buying a set of stabs as well, but somehow I didn't...
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Tue, 13 September 2016, 07:18:12
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 14 September 2016, 19:02:26
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Wed, 14 September 2016, 19:16:56
Just got new R4 prototypes in. Vertical wobble is gone, horizontal wobble feels about the same as regular Cherry right now. Will get Mr. Munch to get a second opinion and prep a video.
A man of science! Submitting to peer review, I respect that. I'm happy that you strive to improve each round.
Post by: jal on Wed, 14 September 2016, 20:24:08
Just got new R4 prototypes in. Vertical wobble is gone, horizontal wobble feels about the same as regular Cherry right now. Will get Mr. Munch to get a second opinion and prep a video.A man of science! Submitting to peer review, I respect that. I'm happy that you strive to improve each round.
And publishing, even. What citation format does Geekhack use? It took quite a bit of effort and perseverance, but I think I finally drank away the brain cells that had Chicago-style burnt in to them...
Post by: romevi on Wed, 14 September 2016, 20:36:27
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 14 September 2016, 20:40:36
Exciting! Anticipating the review. Have you any stabs in and, if so, are they in an assembled board?
Yes, I have stabs in. I'm going to be assembling a friend's mobik with em and do a photoshoot.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 14 September 2016, 20:46:54
Exciting! Anticipating the review. Have you any stabs in and, if so, are they in an assembled board?
Yes, I have stabs in. I'm going to be assembling a friend's mobik with em and do a photoshoot.
Sweet...!
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 15 September 2016, 08:48:01
Post by: dbucklin on Thu, 15 September 2016, 09:08:16
Man, I need to find a TKL to put these sweethearts into... Phantom or something korean...?
I'm putting them into a Lambo case. :cool:
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 15 September 2016, 09:09:50
Post by: breckstar on Thu, 15 September 2016, 21:59:06
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 15 September 2016, 23:46:11
I like my sixties flat. Plus I already have three with proper cases and two Alps with plastic cases...
There are no protruding parts on the top surface of the PCB so 5mm thick acrylic plates aren't an issue.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Thu, 15 September 2016, 23:47:09
Post by: briandesigns on Fri, 16 September 2016, 12:56:41
I ordered some silencing clips but want to change the shipping address. What is the best course of action?
Thanks
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 16 September 2016, 13:09:23
@Zeal
I ordered some silencing clips but want to change the shipping address. What is the best course of action?
Thanks
Reply to your order confirmation and provide the new address in that email. Once I've updated, I'll reply back and confirm with you.
Post by: polentA on Fri, 16 September 2016, 13:53:50
In for more switches for boards I have yet to purchase haha. :thumb:
Me too! Long term project, but really excited still.
Post by: asgeirtj on Sat, 17 September 2016, 14:23:02
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 17 September 2016, 20:42:28
What is shipping ETA?
Looking to be November at this point, due to the long Chinese holiday in October.
Post by: BAS1C on Sun, 18 September 2016, 07:54:01
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sun, 18 September 2016, 15:05:10
In for more switches for boards I have yet to purchase haha. :thumb:
Me too! Long term project, but really excited still.
Same for me too!
Post by: kekstee on Mon, 19 September 2016, 04:56:19
//e now my R1 stems aren't sexy anymore. :'(
Post by: joey on Mon, 19 September 2016, 04:57:55
Post by: Fictiouz on Mon, 19 September 2016, 05:57:57
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 19 September 2016, 11:15:03
Really interested in those silencing caps for my Zealio board. Do they noticeably change typing feel? They are designed to silence the upstroke as well, I assume?
//e now my R1 stems aren't sexy anymore. :'(
My sillencing clips are less than 1mm thick, 0.92mm actually. They do reduce travel a tiny bit, but it's a firm bottom out and not mushy like other offerings. Yes, it also silences the upstroke. Listen to the youtube video on the product page for a typing demo. :)
Post by: Geckt on Mon, 19 September 2016, 14:16:03
Really had to commend Henry here for being helpful and extremely patient with my orders as a first time buyer. :thumb:
Post by: tuantruong on Tue, 20 September 2016, 13:56:49
Just got new R4 prototypes in. Vertical wobble is gone, horizontal wobble feels about the same as regular Cherry right now. Will get Mr. Munch to get a second opinion and prep a video.Finally! That horizontal wobble feels has stopped me from buying some more that purple magic since round 1. Thanks for the hard work Zeal.
Post by: Geroximo on Tue, 20 September 2016, 16:24:44
I still have some R2 67g and they do not wobble any more than Cherry switches.
Looking forward to compare the R4s.
Post by: romevi on Tue, 20 September 2016, 16:39:11
What is up with all the wobble complaints?
I still have some R2 67g and they do not wobble any more than Cherry switches.
Looking forward to compare the R4s.
Because the people who complain have switches that wobble, and you don't.
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 21 September 2016, 04:55:33
Post by: Geroximo on Wed, 21 September 2016, 08:09:15
Post by: Data on Wed, 21 September 2016, 08:58:44
No Zealistabs? Ztabilizers? Stabilizeals? This makes me sad. :(
Post by: jal on Wed, 21 September 2016, 10:27:46
Did the clear stabs never get a clever Zeal name? I see the silencing clips are Zealencios, which is great.
No Zealistabs? Ztabilizers? Stabilizeals? This makes me sad. :(
Steals!
Post by: balthaz4r on Thu, 22 September 2016, 21:57:28
I've been pleased so far with the 78gs and the 65gs, but I want something slightly different.
:)
Post by: TeeBaginDragon on Sat, 24 September 2016, 02:11:40
Post by: BAS1C on Sat, 24 September 2016, 17:49:26
Any idea when R2 of the PCB might happen? I'm thinking of building a custom 60% and want to roll with the purple delicious pcb.
Post by: Dreamre on Sat, 24 September 2016, 18:47:46
Please forgive the n00b question but I am currently using a board with R3 78g zealios and now that the wobble is gone I am thinking about buying some R4s and putting them in. I don't want to desolder the switches so would there be any issues leaving the bottom of the switch R3 and having everything (spring, stem, etc) else R4? I'm assuming this would not be a problem at all... thanks!
I'm sure it's only the stem that was tweaked. You should have a problem.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sat, 24 September 2016, 19:33:20
Hey zeal,
Any idea when R2 of the PCB might happen? I'm thinking of building a custom 60% and want to roll with the purple delicious pcb.
I believe he stated that it would be early next year before for the re release of the PCB but no specific dates.
Post by: nugglets on Sat, 24 September 2016, 21:39:46
Please forgive the n00b question but I am currently using a board with R3 78g zealios and now that the wobble is gone I am thinking about buying some R4s and putting them in. I don't want to desolder the switches so would there be any issues leaving the bottom of the switch R3 and having everything (spring, stem, etc) else R4? I'm assuming this would not be a problem at all... thanks!
I'm sure it's only the stem that was tweaked. You should have a problem.
I'm fairly certain it was mentioned somewhere that the top housing was changed as well, but I could be wrong.
Either way, I wouldn't imagine the leaf or bottom housing plays a role so it should be OK. But best to get clarification from Zeal.
Post by: BAS1C on Sat, 24 September 2016, 21:50:23
Hey zeal,
Any idea when R2 of the PCB might happen? I'm thinking of building a custom 60% and want to roll with the purple delicious pcb.
I believe he stated that it would be early next year before for the re release of the PCB but no specific dates.
Ah right on.
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 25 September 2016, 00:04:16
Post by: yoft on Mon, 26 September 2016, 23:09:58
Post by: meiosis on Mon, 26 September 2016, 23:21:08
I'm considering putting in an order, but I'm not sure when I'll be able to pull the trigger. Do you know when this round is expected to close? Thanks!
In this hobby, even if you don't decide to use it, it retails like 95% of it's value incase you decide to resell it. Make sure you know what weight fits you. :P
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Mon, 26 September 2016, 23:50:18
I'm considering putting in an order, but I'm not sure when I'll be able to pull the trigger. Do you know when this round is expected to close? Thanks!
well...
Quote
GB is expected to open until end of September
9/27 already, so... hurry up!
Post by: yoft on Tue, 27 September 2016, 06:38:46
Yeah I saw that, I just wasn't sure if that's still the scheduled close since I thought I read that previous rounds had dates moved around. But I'll just plan on end of September!I'm considering putting in an order, but I'm not sure when I'll be able to pull the trigger. Do you know when this round is expected to close? Thanks!
well...QuoteGB is expected to open until end of September
9/27 already, so... hurry up!
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Post by: Checkfield on Tue, 27 September 2016, 07:40:43
Post by: RocketGruntJake on Tue, 27 September 2016, 08:36:27
Should I get PCB mounts if I'm building an infinity ergodox? Sorry if obvious question, this is my first keyboard build.
The infinity uses costar stabilizers so no, the clear screw on stabilizers would not work
Post by: Shiftshape on Tue, 27 September 2016, 11:16:59
Did the clear stabs never get a clever Zeal name? I see the silencing clips are Zealencios, which is great.
No Zealistabs? Ztabilizers? Stabilizeals? This makes me sad. :(
Ztabealizers, obviously. ;D
Post by: BAS1C on Tue, 27 September 2016, 11:32:04
Did the clear stabs never get a clever Zeal name? I see the silencing clips are Zealencios, which is great.
No Zealistabs? Ztabilizers? Stabilizeals? This makes me sad. :(
Ztabealizers, obviously. ;D
Zteabagalizers. FTFY.
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 27 September 2016, 12:21:59
Post by: ilovecorgis on Tue, 27 September 2016, 13:32:21
Just got new R4 prototypes in. Vertical wobble is gone, horizontal wobble feels about the same as regular Cherry right now. Will get Mr. Munch to get a second opinion and prep a video.
Will this review video be out before the GB ends? :D
Post by: yoft on Tue, 27 September 2016, 13:59:12
All else equal, I'd prefer the lighter switch; but I would go for the heavier switch if the tactile feedback is better.
Thanks!
Post by: yookwh on Tue, 27 September 2016, 14:20:58
Post by: Fictiouz on Tue, 27 September 2016, 14:25:56
Does anyone have any thoughts on 62g vs 65g? I've tried MX browns and I didn't get enough feedback when actuating so I ended up always bottoming out. Is 62g sufficiently more tactile than browns that I could go with that, or should I step up to 65g to get real differentiation from browns?
All else equal, I'd prefer the lighter switch; but I would go for the heavier switch if the tactile feedback is better.
Thanks!
I would suggest 67g if you're looking for a good amount of feedback. 65g will suffice but the bump is most pronounced on 67g.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 27 September 2016, 15:10:13
Just got new R4 prototypes in. Vertical wobble is gone, horizontal wobble feels about the same as regular Cherry right now. Will get Mr. Munch to get a second opinion and prep a video.
Will this review video be out before the GB ends? :D
Will work on one shortly. Had a lot of stuff I had to prepare before the SF keyboard meet over the weekend, sorry about the delayed video. Also working on a few more minor tweaks with Gateron as well.
Does anyone have any thoughts on 62g vs 65g? I've tried MX browns and I didn't get enough feedback when actuating so I ended up always bottoming out. Is 62g sufficiently more tactile than browns that I could go with that, or should I step up to 65g to get real differentiation from browns?
All else equal, I'd prefer the lighter switch; but I would go for the heavier switch if the tactile feedback is better.
Thanks!
Working on tweaking the leaf design again this round to provide more tactile feedback than last. 62g already has a larger bump than browns, so If you like the lighter spectrum of switches, I'd say go for 62gs.
Hey Zeal, not sure if you're able to read this before the email I sent to the website - I accidentally forgot to place an additional order onto my first one, and so I made a second order. I'm hoping to combine these two together so I don't have to pay the extra shipping fees. Looking forward to the 78g switches!
I don't see any email from you, but I think I'm fairly certain I found the order you're referring to. Will combine the additional SIPs with your order.
Post by: -musubi on Tue, 27 September 2016, 15:10:34
Does anyone have any thoughts on 62g vs 65g? I've tried MX browns and I didn't get enough feedback when actuating so I ended up always bottoming out. Is 62g sufficiently more tactile than browns that I could go with that, or should I step up to 65g to get real differentiation from browns?
All else equal, I'd prefer the lighter switch; but I would go for the heavier switch if the tactile feedback is better.
Thanks!
I would suggest 67g if you're looking for a good amount of feedback. 65g will suffice but the bump is most pronounced on 67g.
To me, if you prefer light switches but want a bigger tactile bump I think the 62g is sufficient. My first board was 62g and my second 67g, and I like the 67g because of the heavier weight. But in terms of bump, I feel that the 62g is just as "bumpy", it just doesn't have the cushion at the bottom out compared to the 67g.
Post by: yoft on Tue, 27 September 2016, 16:13:56
To me, if you prefer light switches but want a bigger tactile bump I think the 62g is sufficient. My first board was 62g and my second 67g, and I like the 67g because of the heavier weight. But in terms of bump, I feel that the 62g is just as "bumpy", it just doesn't have the cushion at the bottom out compared to the 67g.
I would suggest 67g if you're looking for a good amount of feedback. 65g will suffice but the bump is most pronounced on 67g.
Working on tweaking the leaf design again this round to provide more tactile feedback than last. 62g already has a larger bump than browns, so If you like the lighter spectrum of switches, I'd say go for 62gs.
Really appreciate everyone's input! I'm gonna put in my order for 62g!
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Tue, 27 September 2016, 18:09:18
Post by: jal on Tue, 27 September 2016, 21:03:10
If I ain't grunting with each keystroke, I need more feedback.
My next keyboard is going to be made out of staplers.
Post by: Hypocaffeinic on Wed, 28 September 2016, 13:30:56
Post by: exitfire401 on Wed, 28 September 2016, 14:49:56
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 04 October 2016, 11:00:19
Zeal60 Prototype is going through final phase of testing. Once OK'd it'll be produced very shortly.
(http://puu.sh/rxxnj/6671612502.jpg)
Zealios & accessories are still planned for November shipping. Will get a more definite date in a few weeks.
Post by: Brammm87 on Thu, 06 October 2016, 06:37:34
Quick bump.
Zeal60 Prototype is going through final phase of testing. Once OK'd it'll be produced very shortly.Show Image(http://puu.sh/rxxnj/6671612502.jpg)
Zealios & accessories are still planned for November shipping. Will get a more definite date in a few weeks.
Oh ****, that looks good. I totally forgot I was in on this :p Time flies :p
Post by: Fictiouz on Thu, 06 October 2016, 06:38:32
Quick bump.
Zeal60 Prototype is going through final phase of testing. Once OK'd it'll be produced very shortly.Show Image(http://puu.sh/rxxnj/6671612502.jpg)
Zealios & accessories are still planned for November shipping. Will get a more definite date in a few weeks.
So sad I missed r1! Can't wait for r2 though :)
Post by: graefeln on Thu, 06 October 2016, 10:39:29
Quick bump.
Zeal60 Prototype is going through final phase of testing. Once OK'd it'll be produced very shortly.Show Image(http://puu.sh/rxxnj/6671612502.jpg)
Zealios & accessories are still planned for November shipping. Will get a more definite date in a few weeks.
So sad I missed r1! Can't wait for r2 though :)
I feel your pain man! I was going to throw a GH60 into my [upcoming] Weaven, but that is taking so long, I just decided to buy a different case/plate for it and do different with the Weaven later. Ended up putting in for a GON through LeandreN's R5 - but if I had made this decision earlier, it would have been a Zeal60... and I am kicking myself now.
Probably wouldn't have used the RGBs, but it would have been nice to have the firmware without having to worry about trying to convert the GON. It's okay though, at least the delay will still allow me to get in on this round of clear stabs!
Edit: Started with Zeal being a proxy for Weaven - so I threw in some Zealio... then he restocked Aristotles... then the GB for stabs came about (and if I decided earlier, I would have gone for a PCB too)... if Weaven doesn't ship soon, I'll end up with one of everything!
Post by: supersoul on Fri, 07 October 2016, 16:43:52
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 08 October 2016, 04:35:04
is there any idea when this round will end? wanna get some 78g's
Very soon. Expected shipping time frame is still scheduled for November, unless there are any unforeseen delays.
Post by: BAS1C on Sat, 08 October 2016, 14:14:35
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 08 October 2016, 14:32:18
(http://puu.sh/rC43E/e233358fff.jpg)
Non potato shots soon.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sat, 08 October 2016, 15:20:58
It's alive~~~Show Image(http://puu.sh/rC43E/e233358fff.jpg)
Non potato shots soon.
Looking forward to non-potatoes.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sun, 09 October 2016, 11:36:10
It's alive~~~Show Image(http://puu.sh/rC43E/e233358fff.jpg)
Non potato shots soon.
Triggered
Post by: twk on Sun, 09 October 2016, 14:50:02
I have a POK3R and a Satan GH60 board with RGB-underlight. I really like the RGB leds on the Satan, but I can't live without the heavy metal case of the POK3R. With this PCB I would get the best of both worlds. Keep up the good work Zeal! Best wishes from Sweden!
Post by: Zealousy on Mon, 10 October 2016, 13:38:23
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Mon, 10 October 2016, 13:44:56
When will the buy close? I don't see an end date listed anywhere...
Zeal hasn't decided yet but I believe he has said very soon a few posts above.
Post by: Dominathan on Tue, 11 October 2016, 04:27:46
Reserved for updates.
October 4, 2016:
Zeal60 Prototype is going through final phase of testing. Once OK'd it'll be produced very shortly.Show Image(http://puu.sh/rxxnj/6671612502.jpg)
Zealios & accessories are still planned for November shipping. Will get a more definite date in a few weeks.
Oct 8, 2016
Prototypes getting sent to me very soon.Show Image(http://puu.sh/rC43E/e233358fff.jpg)
I just jizzed in my pants a lil
Post by: smittysteve on Tue, 11 October 2016, 10:58:58
It's alive~~~
Non potato shots soon.
Mmmmmmm- that's a tasty looking potato... Get on my desk already!
Post by: thatsmrdoctortoyou on Tue, 11 October 2016, 14:09:13
Post by: supersoul on Tue, 11 October 2016, 18:23:12
Post by: thatsmrdoctortoyou on Wed, 12 October 2016, 01:28:02
I'm planning my first keyboard build and would like to use purple leds. From what I've read, some leds can rub on certain keycap profiles when installed on the switch versus inside the switch. I'll be using GMK keycaps on the board I'm building and definitely don't want any clearance issues. The research that I've done led me to the purple/uv leds here http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds (http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds). Will these work with zealios switches and if installed on the switch will they rub on GMK switches?
Thanks for your help! :thumb:
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 12 October 2016, 01:41:04
So I've got a question which has probably been addressed ad nauseam, but here we go: What leds work best with zealios switches? Also, what are the pros and cons of adding leds inside the switch versus on top of the switch?
I'm planning my first keyboard build and would like to use purple leds. From what I've read, some leds can rub on certain keycap profiles when installed on the switch versus inside the switch. I'll be using GMK keycaps on the board I'm building and definitely don't want any clearance issues. The research that I've done led me to the purple/uv leds here http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds (http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds). Will these work with zealios switches and if installed on the switch will they rub on GMK switches?
Thanks for your help! :thumb:
I have heard of cases where 2x3x4mm LEDs still had clearance issues and cases where they did not. My guess is that it's the dimensional tolerances of the LEDs combined with the dimensional tolerances of keycaps. 1.8mm LEDs, however, do not have any clearance issues whatsoever. It also depends which side of the switch the LEDs are installed on. If they are "above" the switch (monitor side), the LED size shouldn't matter. If they are installed "below" the switch (user side), that's where you run into clearance issues.
Post by: thatsmrdoctortoyou on Wed, 12 October 2016, 10:30:42
So I've got a question which has probably been addressed ad nauseam, but here we go: What leds work best with zealios switches? Also, what are the pros and cons of adding leds inside the switch versus on top of the switch?
I'm planning my first keyboard build and would like to use purple leds. From what I've read, some leds can rub on certain keycap profiles when installed on the switch versus inside the switch. I'll be using GMK keycaps on the board I'm building and definitely don't want any clearance issues. The research that I've done led me to the purple/uv leds here http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds (http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds). Will these work with zealios switches and if installed on the switch will they rub on GMK switches?
Thanks for your help! :thumb:
I have heard of cases where 2x3x4mm LEDs still had clearance issues and cases where they did not. My guess is that it's the dimensional tolerances of the LEDs combined with the dimensional tolerances of keycaps. 1.8mm LEDs, however, do not have any clearance issues whatsoever. It also depends which side of the switch the LEDs are installed on. If they are "above" the switch (monitor side), the LED size shouldn't matter. If they are installed "below" the switch (user side), that's where you run into clearance issues.
Good information here, thank you! I was not aware that you could install leds above or below the switch, is there a difference? Also, do you know why one would install the LED on the inside of the switch versus on top of the switch? It seems like quite a bit of additional work to open each switch and install the led. Thanks again for your help!
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 12 October 2016, 10:44:16
So I've got a question which has probably been addressed ad nauseam, but here we go: What leds work best with zealios switches? Also, what are the pros and cons of adding leds inside the switch versus on top of the switch?
I'm planning my first keyboard build and would like to use purple leds. From what I've read, some leds can rub on certain keycap profiles when installed on the switch versus inside the switch. I'll be using GMK keycaps on the board I'm building and definitely don't want any clearance issues. The research that I've done led me to the purple/uv leds here http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds (http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds). Will these work with zealios switches and if installed on the switch will they rub on GMK switches?
Thanks for your help! :thumb:
I have heard of cases where 2x3x4mm LEDs still had clearance issues and cases where they did not. My guess is that it's the dimensional tolerances of the LEDs combined with the dimensional tolerances of keycaps. 1.8mm LEDs, however, do not have any clearance issues whatsoever. It also depends which side of the switch the LEDs are installed on. If they are "above" the switch (monitor side), the LED size shouldn't matter. If they are installed "below" the switch (user side), that's where you run into clearance issues.
Good information here, thank you! I was not aware that you could install leds above or below the switch, is there a difference? Also, do you know why one would install the LED on the inside of the switch versus on top of the switch? It seems like quite a bit of additional work to open each switch and install the led. Thanks again for your help!
You do not have to open the switches to install LEDs. Some switches will allow for SMD (surface-mounted device, see SMT vs through-hole technology for PCBs) LEDs, but Zealios do not. Your PCB also has to be SMD LED compatible. The position of the LEDs (above or below the switch) is also dictated by your PCB. The difference is just where the illumination source is. Most shine-through keycaps will have the legends on the upper half (monitor side) of the key, with the exception being boards that have function layer legends on the front of the keycaps. If your LEDs are below your switch, the lighting will look dimmed and a little odd, but the position of your LEDs does not affect functionality. Since you plan to use GMK keycaps, it won't matter where the LEDs are because GMK keycaps are not shine-through.
Post by: thatsmrdoctortoyou on Wed, 12 October 2016, 11:17:00
So I've got a question which has probably been addressed ad nauseam, but here we go: What leds work best with zealios switches? Also, what are the pros and cons of adding leds inside the switch versus on top of the switch?
I'm planning my first keyboard build and would like to use purple leds. From what I've read, some leds can rub on certain keycap profiles when installed on the switch versus inside the switch. I'll be using GMK keycaps on the board I'm building and definitely don't want any clearance issues. The research that I've done led me to the purple/uv leds here http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds (http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds). Will these work with zealios switches and if installed on the switch will they rub on GMK switches?
Thanks for your help! :thumb:
I have heard of cases where 2x3x4mm LEDs still had clearance issues and cases where they did not. My guess is that it's the dimensional tolerances of the LEDs combined with the dimensional tolerances of keycaps. 1.8mm LEDs, however, do not have any clearance issues whatsoever. It also depends which side of the switch the LEDs are installed on. If they are "above" the switch (monitor side), the LED size shouldn't matter. If they are installed "below" the switch (user side), that's where you run into clearance issues.
Good information here, thank you! I was not aware that you could install leds above or below the switch, is there a difference? Also, do you know why one would install the LED on the inside of the switch versus on top of the switch? It seems like quite a bit of additional work to open each switch and install the led. Thanks again for your help!
You do not have to open the switches to install LEDs. Some switches will allow for SMD (surface-mounted device, see SMT vs through-hole technology for PCBs) LEDs, but Zealios do not. Your PCB also has to be SMD LED compatible. The position of the LEDs (above or below the switch) is also dictated by your PCB. The difference is just where the illumination source is. Most shine-through keycaps will have the legends on the upper half (monitor side) of the key, with the exception being boards that have function layer legends on the front of the keycaps. If your LEDs are below your switch, the lighting will look dimmed and a little odd, but the position of your LEDs does not affect functionality. Since you plan to use GMK keycaps, it won't matter where the LEDs are because GMK keycaps are not shine-through.
Ahhh I think I'm getting it. So SMD LEDs for below the switch lighting, through hole LEDs for on top of switch lighting (above or below the switch). Okay, so I'll definitely be installing the LEDs on top of the switch. And it seems that for above/below the switch orientations depend on the orientation of the switch (right-side-up or upside-down)? It looks like there is only one spot for an led to be inserted through switch housing.
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 12 October 2016, 11:46:26
MoreSo I've got a question which has probably been addressed ad nauseam, but here we go: What leds work best with zealios switches? Also, what are the pros and cons of adding leds inside the switch versus on top of the switch?
I'm planning my first keyboard build and would like to use purple leds. From what I've read, some leds can rub on certain keycap profiles when installed on the switch versus inside the switch. I'll be using GMK keycaps on the board I'm building and definitely don't want any clearance issues. The research that I've done led me to the purple/uv leds here http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds (http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds). Will these work with zealios switches and if installed on the switch will they rub on GMK switches?
Thanks for your help! :thumb:
I have heard of cases where 2x3x4mm LEDs still had clearance issues and cases where they did not. My guess is that it's the dimensional tolerances of the LEDs combined with the dimensional tolerances of keycaps. 1.8mm LEDs, however, do not have any clearance issues whatsoever. It also depends which side of the switch the LEDs are installed on. If they are "above" the switch (monitor side), the LED size shouldn't matter. If they are installed "below" the switch (user side), that's where you run into clearance issues.
Good information here, thank you! I was not aware that you could install leds above or below the switch, is there a difference? Also, do you know why one would install the LED on the inside of the switch versus on top of the switch? It seems like quite a bit of additional work to open each switch and install the led. Thanks again for your help!
You do not have to open the switches to install LEDs. Some switches will allow for SMD (surface-mounted device, see SMT vs through-hole technology for PCBs) LEDs, but Zealios do not. Your PCB also has to be SMD LED compatible. The position of the LEDs (above or below the switch) is also dictated by your PCB. The difference is just where the illumination source is. Most shine-through keycaps will have the legends on the upper half (monitor side) of the key, with the exception being boards that have function layer legends on the front of the keycaps. If your LEDs are below your switch, the lighting will look dimmed and a little odd, but the position of your LEDs does not affect functionality. Since you plan to use GMK keycaps, it won't matter where the LEDs are because GMK keycaps are not shine-through.
Ahhh I think I'm getting it. So SMD LEDs for below the switch lighting, through hole LEDs for on top of switch lighting (above or below the switch). Okay, so I'll definitely be installing the LEDs on top of the switch. And it seems that for above/below the switch orientations depend on the orientation of the switch (right-side-up or upside-down)? It looks like there is only one spot for an led to be inserted through switch housing.
Correct. The LED can only go in one spot so its orientation is dependent on the switch orientation, which in turn is dictated by your PCB.
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 12 October 2016, 21:19:50
MoreSo I've got a question which has probably been addressed ad nauseam, but here we go: What leds work best with zealios switches? Also, what are the pros and cons of adding leds inside the switch versus on top of the switch?
I'm planning my first keyboard build and would like to use purple leds. From what I've read, some leds can rub on certain keycap profiles when installed on the switch versus inside the switch. I'll be using GMK keycaps on the board I'm building and definitely don't want any clearance issues. The research that I've done led me to the purple/uv leds here http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds (http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds). Will these work with zealios switches and if installed on the switch will they rub on GMK switches?
Thanks for your help! :thumb:
I have heard of cases where 2x3x4mm LEDs still had clearance issues and cases where they did not. My guess is that it's the dimensional tolerances of the LEDs combined with the dimensional tolerances of keycaps. 1.8mm LEDs, however, do not have any clearance issues whatsoever. It also depends which side of the switch the LEDs are installed on. If they are "above" the switch (monitor side), the LED size shouldn't matter. If they are installed "below" the switch (user side), that's where you run into clearance issues.
Good information here, thank you! I was not aware that you could install leds above or below the switch, is there a difference? Also, do you know why one would install the LED on the inside of the switch versus on top of the switch? It seems like quite a bit of additional work to open each switch and install the led. Thanks again for your help!
You do not have to open the switches to install LEDs. Some switches will allow for SMD (surface-mounted device, see SMT vs through-hole technology for PCBs) LEDs, but Zealios do not. Your PCB also has to be SMD LED compatible. The position of the LEDs (above or below the switch) is also dictated by your PCB. The difference is just where the illumination source is. Most shine-through keycaps will have the legends on the upper half (monitor side) of the key, with the exception being boards that have function layer legends on the front of the keycaps. If your LEDs are below your switch, the lighting will look dimmed and a little odd, but the position of your LEDs does not affect functionality. Since you plan to use GMK keycaps, it won't matter where the LEDs are because GMK keycaps are not shine-through.
Ahhh I think I'm getting it. So SMD LEDs for below the switch lighting, through hole LEDs for on top of switch lighting (above or below the switch). Okay, so I'll definitely be installing the LEDs on top of the switch. And it seems that for above/below the switch orientations depend on the orientation of the switch (right-side-up or upside-down)? It looks like there is only one spot for an led to be inserted through switch housing.
Correct. The LED can only go in one spot so its orientation is dependent on the switch orientation, which in turn is dictated by your PCB.
Zealios also have the ability to install 2x3x4 LEDs inside the switch housing. This allows you to have the color selection of the larger LEDs while also not worrying about clearance issues with Cherry profile (GMK) keycaps.
I did this with my last board since there are no UV/dark purple 1.8 mm LEDs. If you put them inside the housing then you can't install sip sockets since they are occupying the space the sockets would normally go. There are trade-offs but it's good to know all your options.
Post by: ntw on Wed, 12 October 2016, 21:55:40
MoreSo I've got a question which has probably been addressed ad nauseam, but here we go: What leds work best with zealios switches? Also, what are the pros and cons of adding leds inside the switch versus on top of the switch?
I'm planning my first keyboard build and would like to use purple leds. From what I've read, some leds can rub on certain keycap profiles when installed on the switch versus inside the switch. I'll be using GMK keycaps on the board I'm building and definitely don't want any clearance issues. The research that I've done led me to the purple/uv leds here http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds (http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds). Will these work with zealios switches and if installed on the switch will they rub on GMK switches?
Thanks for your help! :thumb:
I have heard of cases where 2x3x4mm LEDs still had clearance issues and cases where they did not. My guess is that it's the dimensional tolerances of the LEDs combined with the dimensional tolerances of keycaps. 1.8mm LEDs, however, do not have any clearance issues whatsoever. It also depends which side of the switch the LEDs are installed on. If they are "above" the switch (monitor side), the LED size shouldn't matter. If they are installed "below" the switch (user side), that's where you run into clearance issues.
Good information here, thank you! I was not aware that you could install leds above or below the switch, is there a difference? Also, do you know why one would install the LED on the inside of the switch versus on top of the switch? It seems like quite a bit of additional work to open each switch and install the led. Thanks again for your help!
You do not have to open the switches to install LEDs. Some switches will allow for SMD (surface-mounted device, see SMT vs through-hole technology for PCBs) LEDs, but Zealios do not. Your PCB also has to be SMD LED compatible. The position of the LEDs (above or below the switch) is also dictated by your PCB. The difference is just where the illumination source is. Most shine-through keycaps will have the legends on the upper half (monitor side) of the key, with the exception being boards that have function layer legends on the front of the keycaps. If your LEDs are below your switch, the lighting will look dimmed and a little odd, but the position of your LEDs does not affect functionality. Since you plan to use GMK keycaps, it won't matter where the LEDs are because GMK keycaps are not shine-through.
Ahhh I think I'm getting it. So SMD LEDs for below the switch lighting, through hole LEDs for on top of switch lighting (above or below the switch). Okay, so I'll definitely be installing the LEDs on top of the switch. And it seems that for above/below the switch orientations depend on the orientation of the switch (right-side-up or upside-down)? It looks like there is only one spot for an led to be inserted through switch housing.
Correct. The LED can only go in one spot so its orientation is dependent on the switch orientation, which in turn is dictated by your PCB.
Zealios also have the ability to install 2x3x4 LEDs inside the switch housing. This allows you to have the color selection of the larger LEDs while also not worrying about clearance issues with Cherry profile (GMK) keycaps.
I did this with my last board since there are no UV/dark purple 1.8 mm LEDs. If you put them inside the housing then you can't install sip sockets since they are occupying the space the sockets would normally go. There are trade-offs but it's good to know all your options.
although it might seem like a good idea but it will be a pain in the ass when you need to remove the LED or desolder the switch for whatever reasons. since the LED is inside the switch, you will have no way to desolder the pins and pull/push the LED up; instead you will have to pull the entire switch out together with the LED
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 12 October 2016, 23:03:48
MoreSo I've got a question which has probably been addressed ad nauseam, but here we go: What leds work best with zealios switches? Also, what are the pros and cons of adding leds inside the switch versus on top of the switch?
I'm planning my first keyboard build and would like to use purple leds. From what I've read, some leds can rub on certain keycap profiles when installed on the switch versus inside the switch. I'll be using GMK keycaps on the board I'm building and definitely don't want any clearance issues. The research that I've done led me to the purple/uv leds here http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds (http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds). Will these work with zealios switches and if installed on the switch will they rub on GMK switches?
Thanks for your help! :thumb:
I have heard of cases where 2x3x4mm LEDs still had clearance issues and cases where they did not. My guess is that it's the dimensional tolerances of the LEDs combined with the dimensional tolerances of keycaps. 1.8mm LEDs, however, do not have any clearance issues whatsoever. It also depends which side of the switch the LEDs are installed on. If they are "above" the switch (monitor side), the LED size shouldn't matter. If they are installed "below" the switch (user side), that's where you run into clearance issues.
Good information here, thank you! I was not aware that you could install leds above or below the switch, is there a difference? Also, do you know why one would install the LED on the inside of the switch versus on top of the switch? It seems like quite a bit of additional work to open each switch and install the led. Thanks again for your help!
You do not have to open the switches to install LEDs. Some switches will allow for SMD (surface-mounted device, see SMT vs through-hole technology for PCBs) LEDs, but Zealios do not. Your PCB also has to be SMD LED compatible. The position of the LEDs (above or below the switch) is also dictated by your PCB. The difference is just where the illumination source is. Most shine-through keycaps will have the legends on the upper half (monitor side) of the key, with the exception being boards that have function layer legends on the front of the keycaps. If your LEDs are below your switch, the lighting will look dimmed and a little odd, but the position of your LEDs does not affect functionality. Since you plan to use GMK keycaps, it won't matter where the LEDs are because GMK keycaps are not shine-through.
Ahhh I think I'm getting it. So SMD LEDs for below the switch lighting, through hole LEDs for on top of switch lighting (above or below the switch). Okay, so I'll definitely be installing the LEDs on top of the switch. And it seems that for above/below the switch orientations depend on the orientation of the switch (right-side-up or upside-down)? It looks like there is only one spot for an led to be inserted through switch housing.
Correct. The LED can only go in one spot so its orientation is dependent on the switch orientation, which in turn is dictated by your PCB.
Zealios also have the ability to install 2x3x4 LEDs inside the switch housing. This allows you to have the color selection of the larger LEDs while also not worrying about clearance issues with Cherry profile (GMK) keycaps.
I did this with my last board since there are no UV/dark purple 1.8 mm LEDs. If you put them inside the housing then you can't install sip sockets since they are occupying the space the sockets would normally go. There are trade-offs but it's good to know all your options.
A quick search turns up UV/purple 1.8mm LEDs for me.
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 12 October 2016, 23:12:45
MoreSo I've got a question which has probably been addressed ad nauseam, but here we go: What leds work best with zealios switches? Also, what are the pros and cons of adding leds inside the switch versus on top of the switch?
I'm planning my first keyboard build and would like to use purple leds. From what I've read, some leds can rub on certain keycap profiles when installed on the switch versus inside the switch. I'll be using GMK keycaps on the board I'm building and definitely don't want any clearance issues. The research that I've done led me to the purple/uv leds here http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds (http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds). Will these work with zealios switches and if installed on the switch will they rub on GMK switches?
Thanks for your help! :thumb:
I have heard of cases where 2x3x4mm LEDs still had clearance issues and cases where they did not. My guess is that it's the dimensional tolerances of the LEDs combined with the dimensional tolerances of keycaps. 1.8mm LEDs, however, do not have any clearance issues whatsoever. It also depends which side of the switch the LEDs are installed on. If they are "above" the switch (monitor side), the LED size shouldn't matter. If they are installed "below" the switch (user side), that's where you run into clearance issues.
Good information here, thank you! I was not aware that you could install leds above or below the switch, is there a difference? Also, do you know why one would install the LED on the inside of the switch versus on top of the switch? It seems like quite a bit of additional work to open each switch and install the led. Thanks again for your help!
You do not have to open the switches to install LEDs. Some switches will allow for SMD (surface-mounted device, see SMT vs through-hole technology for PCBs) LEDs, but Zealios do not. Your PCB also has to be SMD LED compatible. The position of the LEDs (above or below the switch) is also dictated by your PCB. The difference is just where the illumination source is. Most shine-through keycaps will have the legends on the upper half (monitor side) of the key, with the exception being boards that have function layer legends on the front of the keycaps. If your LEDs are below your switch, the lighting will look dimmed and a little odd, but the position of your LEDs does not affect functionality. Since you plan to use GMK keycaps, it won't matter where the LEDs are because GMK keycaps are not shine-through.
Ahhh I think I'm getting it. So SMD LEDs for below the switch lighting, through hole LEDs for on top of switch lighting (above or below the switch). Okay, so I'll definitely be installing the LEDs on top of the switch. And it seems that for above/below the switch orientations depend on the orientation of the switch (right-side-up or upside-down)? It looks like there is only one spot for an led to be inserted through switch housing.
Correct. The LED can only go in one spot so its orientation is dependent on the switch orientation, which in turn is dictated by your PCB.
Zealios also have the ability to install 2x3x4 LEDs inside the switch housing. This allows you to have the color selection of the larger LEDs while also not worrying about clearance issues with Cherry profile (GMK) keycaps.
I did this with my last board since there are no UV/dark purple 1.8 mm LEDs. If you put them inside the housing then you can't install sip sockets since they are occupying the space the sockets would normally go. There are trade-offs but it's good to know all your options.
although it might seem like a good idea but it will be a pain in the ass when you need to remove the LED or desolder the switch for whatever reasons. since the LED is inside the switch, you will have no way to desolder the pins and pull/push the LED up; instead you will have to pull the entire switch out together with the LED
That may be a problem for someone who would like to swap out the plate or something like that but for everything else there is no need to take out the switch bottom. If you use a plate that allows for switch top removal then swapping stems/springs/lubing is still a breeze. I will admit that you should make sure that all the switches work properly before adding in the LEDs (no chattering and all that).
For my situation it was the perfect option. I get to use GMK keys without rubbing, plus I get to use UV LEDs. If an LED fails then yeah I'll have to replace it but other than that I have no plans on desoldering this board and I bet there are other people who do the same.
Please don't take this as an attack (I know I come across that way sometimes) but I just wanted to explain that there are some real positives to putting LEDs inside the switch. Plus sometimes its worth it to suffer a little bit more if it gets you the end result that you are going for. Just my .02
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 12 October 2016, 23:17:20
MoreSo I've got a question which has probably been addressed ad nauseam, but here we go: What leds work best with zealios switches? Also, what are the pros and cons of adding leds inside the switch versus on top of the switch?
I'm planning my first keyboard build and would like to use purple leds. From what I've read, some leds can rub on certain keycap profiles when installed on the switch versus inside the switch. I'll be using GMK keycaps on the board I'm building and definitely don't want any clearance issues. The research that I've done led me to the purple/uv leds here http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds (http://www.switchtop.com/product/2x3x4mm-leds). Will these work with zealios switches and if installed on the switch will they rub on GMK switches?
Thanks for your help! :thumb:
I have heard of cases where 2x3x4mm LEDs still had clearance issues and cases where they did not. My guess is that it's the dimensional tolerances of the LEDs combined with the dimensional tolerances of keycaps. 1.8mm LEDs, however, do not have any clearance issues whatsoever. It also depends which side of the switch the LEDs are installed on. If they are "above" the switch (monitor side), the LED size shouldn't matter. If they are installed "below" the switch (user side), that's where you run into clearance issues.
Good information here, thank you! I was not aware that you could install leds above or below the switch, is there a difference? Also, do you know why one would install the LED on the inside of the switch versus on top of the switch? It seems like quite a bit of additional work to open each switch and install the led. Thanks again for your help!
You do not have to open the switches to install LEDs. Some switches will allow for SMD (surface-mounted device, see SMT vs through-hole technology for PCBs) LEDs, but Zealios do not. Your PCB also has to be SMD LED compatible. The position of the LEDs (above or below the switch) is also dictated by your PCB. The difference is just where the illumination source is. Most shine-through keycaps will have the legends on the upper half (monitor side) of the key, with the exception being boards that have function layer legends on the front of the keycaps. If your LEDs are below your switch, the lighting will look dimmed and a little odd, but the position of your LEDs does not affect functionality. Since you plan to use GMK keycaps, it won't matter where the LEDs are because GMK keycaps are not shine-through.
Ahhh I think I'm getting it. So SMD LEDs for below the switch lighting, through hole LEDs for on top of switch lighting (above or below the switch). Okay, so I'll definitely be installing the LEDs on top of the switch. And it seems that for above/below the switch orientations depend on the orientation of the switch (right-side-up or upside-down)? It looks like there is only one spot for an led to be inserted through switch housing.
Correct. The LED can only go in one spot so its orientation is dependent on the switch orientation, which in turn is dictated by your PCB.
Zealios also have the ability to install 2x3x4 LEDs inside the switch housing. This allows you to have the color selection of the larger LEDs while also not worrying about clearance issues with Cherry profile (GMK) keycaps.
I did this with my last board since there are no UV/dark purple 1.8 mm LEDs. If you put them inside the housing then you can't install sip sockets since they are occupying the space the sockets would normally go. There are trade-offs but it's good to know all your options.
A quick search turns up UV/purple 1.8mm LEDs for me.
Wow, I could not find those a few months ago. Oh well, what's done is done.
Post by: ntw on Wed, 12 October 2016, 23:47:46
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 12 October 2016, 23:57:36
Post by: thatsmrdoctortoyou on Thu, 13 October 2016, 12:02:57
Sorry zeal for hijacking your group buy thread!
Post by: Spazturtle on Fri, 14 October 2016, 00:26:22
These things:
(https://i.imgur.com/4qh0aR7.jpg)
They fit though the PCB and fit flush on top then you solder then on the underside.
Post by: forevermadrigal on Fri, 14 October 2016, 05:20:13
Post by: Atredl on Fri, 14 October 2016, 07:59:57
You can get little metal tube things which fit in the holes on the PCB for the LEDs which would allow for swapping of LEDs even if they are mounted inside the switches.
These things:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/4qh0aR7.jpg)
They fit though the PCB and fit flush on top then you solder then on the underside.
What would those be called? I'm quite interested in putting those in my next build.
Post by: pmck on Fri, 14 October 2016, 08:03:35
You can get little metal tube things which fit in the holes on the PCB for the LEDs which would allow for swapping of LEDs even if they are mounted inside the switches.
These things:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/4qh0aR7.jpg)
They're called HOLTITEs heres ones that supposedly fit leds, they didn't fit my gh60 pcb though so better do some measurements before you buy.
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/6-1437514-6/A107431-ND/2135765
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 14 October 2016, 13:31:31
Will there be drops of the springs in the future? From my understanding, they are custom springs and I want to fine tune the weights of the switches I have coming in :p it would be great!!Unfortunately the springs won't be sold separately for the time being.
Post by: renzpwns on Fri, 14 October 2016, 15:52:11
I think the one you got is for leds. This one should be the one for pcbs https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/8134-HC-8P3/A114359-ND/1151726You can get little metal tube things which fit in the holes on the PCB for the LEDs which would allow for swapping of LEDs even if they are mounted inside the switches.
These things:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/4qh0aR7.jpg)
They're called HOLTITEs heres ones that supposedly fit leds, they didn't fit my gh60 pcb though so better do some measurements before you buy.
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/6-1437514-6/A107431-ND/2135765
Post by: Spazturtle on Fri, 14 October 2016, 17:38:11
You can get little metal tube things which fit in the holes on the PCB for the LEDs which would allow for swapping of LEDs even if they are mounted inside the switches.
These things:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/4qh0aR7.jpg)
They fit though the PCB and fit flush on top then you solder then on the underside.
What would those be called? I'm quite interested in putting those in my next build.
The ones I linked are called Harwin PCB Sockets, I found them here: http://www.mouser.co.uk/new/harwin/harwinpcbsockets/
Post by: daviswalkers on Fri, 14 October 2016, 20:40:01
You can get little metal tube things which fit in the holes on the PCB for the LEDs which would allow for swapping of LEDs even if they are mounted inside the switches.
These things:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/4qh0aR7.jpg)
They fit though the PCB and fit flush on top then you solder then on the underside.
Zeal also sells them, most of the time they're in these black casing however he sells them pre-removed.
https://zealpc.net/collections/accessories/products/sipsockets
What would those be called? I'm quite interested in putting those in my next build.
The ones I linked are called Harwin PCB Sockets, I found them here: http://www.mouser.co.uk/new/harwin/harwinpcbsockets/
Post by: zacheadams on Sat, 15 October 2016, 07:46:06
*fingers crossed*
Post by: pace8500 on Sat, 15 October 2016, 08:57:47
Post by: krisst on Sat, 15 October 2016, 09:01:18
Any idea when the switches will be shipping?
Nov 2016
Post by: pace8500 on Sat, 15 October 2016, 09:26:17
Any idea when the switches will be shipping?
Nov 2016
Thanks
Post by: captsis on Sun, 16 October 2016, 06:55:24
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Post by: FoC_Tow on Sun, 16 October 2016, 08:58:22
Hey zeal, ever consider making a hotswapable switch pcb?
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Pls don't.
Hot swappable PCBs never end up as reliable and solid compared to soldered counterparts.
Post by: IonutZ on Sun, 16 October 2016, 22:10:32
Post by: loud_asian on Sun, 16 October 2016, 22:48:06
Any idea on when you'll be getting more PCBs?
@ZealPC I wasn't paying close enough attention to GH and the PCB sold out before I could snag one. I'm sorry if this was already addressed, but do you have an ETA of a second batch? Ordered 100x 78g and a set of those gorgeous stabs! Thank you, supreme group buy commander!
Second batch is scheduled for early next year, no dates yet.
Post by: Shiftshape on Tue, 18 October 2016, 04:24:22
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 19 October 2016, 17:56:04
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 19 October 2016, 18:00:35
Also what is the ETA on the first and last of those two?
<3
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 19 October 2016, 18:11:06
If we ordered clear stabs + aristotles + zealios (aka me) will we get them all together?
Also what is the ETA on the first and last of those two?
<3
Yes, everything will be packed together and shipped as one. ETA is still Nov, should get a more definite date tonight hopefully.
Post by: pmck on Wed, 19 October 2016, 18:28:07
If we ordered clear stabs + aristotles + zealios (aka me) will we get them all together?
Also what is the ETA on the first and last of those two?
<3
Yes, everything will be packed together and shipped as one. ETA is still Nov, should get a more definite date tonight hopefully.
Was there any updates on pictures of the Stabs?
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 19 October 2016, 18:35:39
If we ordered clear stabs + aristotles + zealios (aka me) will we get them all together?
Also what is the ETA on the first and last of those two?
<3
Yes, everything will be packed together and shipped as one. ETA is still Nov, should get a more definite date tonight hopefully.
Was there any updates on pictures of the Stabs?
Was there anything in particular you wanted to see? The listing has a few angles of the stabilizers -- hard to make stabilizers look enticing :P
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 19 October 2016, 19:49:43
Post by: Dominathan on Wed, 19 October 2016, 20:26:05
Post by: BAS1C on Wed, 19 October 2016, 21:55:53
Was there anything in particular you wanted to see? The listing has a few angles of the stabilizers -- hard to make stabilizers look enticing :P
Not those one ;)
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 19 October 2016, 22:41:01
Do you have any more of them pictures of the PCB? I need my fix!
Will have pics of the PCB once I receive it on hand next week.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 20 October 2016, 03:05:40
Gateron has notified me that Zealios are expected to ship out on November 15. Zealencios and Transparent Stabilizers will ship out November 21, both via DHL Express.
I'll be receiving the Zeal60 proto PCB next week. PCBs should also be ready around mid-November as well.
Post by: jackie321304 on Thu, 20 October 2016, 03:49:12
Just a notice for those procrastinating - GB pricing will end Saturday midnight (PST), and be adjusted up a bit to "pre-order pricing". This price will remain until the items are on hand, where Retail pricing will kick in.
Just curious what are the items that will become pre-order pricing? Stab, clips, switches??? Thanks
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 20 October 2016, 03:54:33
Just a notice for those procrastinating - GB pricing will end Saturday midnight (PST), and be adjusted up a bit to "pre-order pricing". This price will remain until the items are on hand, where Retail pricing will kick in.
Just curious what are the items that will become pre-order pricing? Stab, clips, switches??? Thanks
Everything in the GB - switches, stabs, silencing clips.
Post by: jackie321304 on Thu, 20 October 2016, 03:57:55
Just a notice for those procrastinating - GB pricing will end Saturday midnight (PST), and be adjusted up a bit to "pre-order pricing". This price will remain until the items are on hand, where Retail pricing will kick in.
Just curious what are the items that will become pre-order pricing? Stab, clips, switches??? Thanks
Everything in the GB - switches, stabs, silencing clips.
If I want to add something can I send you the email? I already place to order few weeks ago.
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Post by: Dominathan on Thu, 20 October 2016, 04:56:20
Will have pics of the PCB once I receive it on hand next week.
Yes! Thank you so much! I can't wait!
Post by: pmck on Thu, 20 October 2016, 05:59:06
Haha. Just seriously excited for them to arrive and need a fixIf we ordered clear stabs + aristotles + zealios (aka me) will we get them all together?
Also what is the ETA on the first and last of those two?
<3
Yes, everything will be packed together and shipped as one. ETA is still Nov, should get a more definite date tonight hopefully.
Was there any updates on pictures of the Stabs?
Was there anything in particular you wanted to see? The listing has a few angles of the stabilizers -- hard to make stabilizers look enticing
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Post by: waqar on Thu, 20 October 2016, 13:17:17
Post by: eksuen on Thu, 20 October 2016, 13:47:04
Lets see which one ships first. Zeal or Whitefox?
Yes.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 20 October 2016, 13:53:08
Lets see which one ships first. Zeal or Whitefox?
Yes.
I agree
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 20 October 2016, 15:55:02
Just a notice for those procrastinating - GB pricing will end Saturday midnight (PST), and be adjusted up a bit to "pre-order pricing". This price will remain until the items are on hand, where Retail pricing will kick in.
Just curious what are the items that will become pre-order pricing? Stab, clips, switches??? Thanks
Everything in the GB - switches, stabs, silencing clips.
If I want to add something can I send you the email? I already place to order few weeks ago.
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Send an email reply to your original confirmation email with details on what you'd like to have added. :)
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 24 October 2016, 22:41:08
(http://puu.sh/rUDdx/af63232b02.JPG)
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 24 October 2016, 22:46:52
Excuse the subpar pic :-[Show Image(http://puu.sh/rUDdx/af63232b02.JPG)
i sorta wish i made it into this one
purple is a good color
Post by: Cotay on Tue, 25 October 2016, 01:27:11
Excuse the subpar pic :-[Show Image(http://puu.sh/rUDdx/af63232b02.JPG)
I'm sorry I missed this as well. But I'm all set for when it comes back as a non-GB offering sometime early next year; I have all parts ready for when this comes back!
Post by: Dominathan on Tue, 25 October 2016, 02:46:20
Excuse the subpar pic :-[Show Image(http://puu.sh/rUDdx/af63232b02.JPG)
It's glorious!
Now I just need a keycap set worthy of such a board.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 25 October 2016, 05:52:12
Post by: Fictiouz on Tue, 25 October 2016, 06:33:36
If anyone needs to cancel their 60% pcb order hit me up :)
And anyone after swimmingbird gets one hit me up :)
Post by: MandrewDavis on Tue, 25 October 2016, 06:37:32
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 October 2016, 19:43:51
I have been fabricating a custom winkeyless style case with a 1.5mm plate with slightly larger cutouts in 3mm acrylic. Zeal, is the footprint of the Transparent Stabilizers on the pcb any larger than that of normal pcb-mount stabilizers?
The footprint of the transparent stabilizers are a bit larger than regular Cherry pop-in PCB mount stabs due to the extra nut required for the screw.
Here are the dimensions of a sample I recorded with a caliper:
Length - 19.65mm
Width - 6.8mm
Height - 2.73mm(nut end), 3.27mm(wire end) *measured from base that would touch PCB surface to top.
Post by: Dominathan on Tue, 25 October 2016, 19:45:07
Excuse the subpar pic :-[Show Image(http://puu.sh/rUDdx/af63232b02.JPG)
Hey Zeal, any reason you went with the age-old USB mini b instead of the sweet new USB-C? Time? Cost? Inexperience? All of the above?
Have you/were you toying with the idea? Maybe Rev1?
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 October 2016, 20:23:34
Excuse the subpar pic :-[Show Image(http://puu.sh/rUDdx/af63232b02.JPG)
Hey Zeal, any reason you went with the age-old USB mini b instead of the sweet new USB-C? Time? Cost? Inexperience? All of the above?
Have you/were you toying with the idea? Maybe Rev1?
There are a few reasons, and USB C was considered, but eventually not used for the Zeal60.
1) Majority of aftermarket keyboards are designed with Mini USB in mind. Therefore the hole for these cases usually cannot accommodate the large 8.3mm wide connector+rubber exterior housing.
2) A large amount of keyboard enthusiast would prefer to have a matching custom cable for their keyset. As of right now, only one cable vendor is offering USB C sleeved cables. Options for custom sleeved/matching USB C cables are quite limited at this moment.
3) Reducing cable clutter. People that own multiple boards generally will be rotating them in and out. Would you really want to have one mini USB cable, micro USB cable, USB C cable on your desk dangling around?
4) There may be clearance issues with the current left aligned USB port if a USB C female port is used. The female end has a widest point of 11.75mm for its anchors and is 9.75mm long(connector to end). The distance between the switch pin of "Esc" and "1" is only ~9.8mm.
There's no question that USB C is a much superior connector, but it needs some time to mature a bit before everyone shifts over. For custom builds, you can definitely design around USB C, but when going for maximum compatibility like a 60%, it's best to stay with Mini USB.
Post by: KetchyKech on Tue, 25 October 2016, 21:04:02
Really hoping this fits LUSTRO 60% thats shipping soon :-*
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Wed, 26 October 2016, 02:11:31
Also, If anyone wants to sell me this glorious PCB, I would happily make it profitable for you.
Post by: Dominathan on Wed, 26 October 2016, 02:19:16
There are a few reasons, and USB C was considered, but eventually not used for the Zeal60.
1) Majority of aftermarket keyboards are designed with Mini USB in mind. Therefore the hole for these cases usually cannot accommodate the large 8.3mm wide connector+rubber exterior housing.
2) A large amount of keyboard enthusiast would prefer to have a matching custom cable for their keyset. As of right now, only one cable vendor is offering USB C sleeved cables. Options for custom sleeved/matching USB C cables are quite limited at this moment.
3) Reducing cable clutter. People that own multiple boards generally will be rotating them in and out. Would you really want to have one mini USB cable, micro USB cable, USB C cable on your desk dangling around?
4) There may be clearance issues with the current left aligned USB port if a USB C female port is used. The female end has a widest point of 11.75mm for its anchors and is 9.75mm long(connector to end). The distance between the switch pin of "Esc" and "1" is only ~9.8mm.
There's no question that USB C is a much superior connector, but it needs some time to mature a bit before everyone shifts over. For custom builds, you can definitely design around USB C, but when going for maximum compatibility like a 60%, it's best to stay with Mini USB.
Wow man, thanks for the quick response! I asked, and you over-delivered. You definitely thought this through. :D
#1) It's going to take the Poker to switch to C before we get that extra bit of space. It can only be a matter of time.
#4) It seems some of the receptacles (top-mount) fit the anchors within 9.2mm http://www.alysium-tech.com/downloads/products/usb-connectors/a46-4825.pdf (http://www.alysium-tech.com/downloads/products/usb-connectors/a46-4825.pdf). But that one is pretty long to make up for it. Again, it looks like we're going to need to see a change in the form factor, which just goes back to 1.
Come on Poker! Give us some sweet USB-C goodness! I say them simply because their brand is the most well-known, and their market share (of 60% keyboards)
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 26 October 2016, 05:16:00
Post by: pomk on Wed, 26 October 2016, 05:32:52
Besides the old "no other devices use USB-mini connectors, so it's just an extra cable lying around" argument, which is only true if you don't actually use your keyboards, what benefits exist with USB-C?It is a more robust connector, especially when compared to the deprecated mini-b.
Post by: Fictiouz on Wed, 26 October 2016, 05:52:16
Besides the old "no other devices use USB-mini connectors, so it's just an extra cable lying around" argument, which is only true if you don't actually use your keyboards, what benefits exist with USB-C?It is a more robust connector, especially when compared to the deprecated mini-b.
Yeah Mini and Micro have very small lifespans when looking at the insertion/detachment ratings comparatively to USB-C
Post by: MandrewDavis on Wed, 26 October 2016, 09:05:08
Many thanks!I have been fabricating a custom winkeyless style case with a 1.5mm plate with slightly larger cutouts in 3mm acrylic. Zeal, is the footprint of the Transparent Stabilizers on the pcb any larger than that of normal pcb-mount stabilizers?
The footprint of the transparent stabilizers are a bit larger than regular Cherry pop-in PCB mount stabs due to the extra nut required for the screw.
Here are the dimensions of a sample I recorded with a caliper:
Length - 19.65mm
Width - 6.8mm
Height - 2.73mm(nut end), 3.27mm(wire end) *measured from base that would touch PCB surface to top.
Post by: dougp on Fri, 28 October 2016, 09:31:19
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 28 October 2016, 13:15:21
Zeal, when will I get an update on my order? I paid through PayPal and haven't seen anything in regards to it.
All updates are posted on the second post of the front page here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84248.msg2246529#msg2246529
I provided an update on Oct 20 saying Zealios will ship from Gateron on Nov 15, with Silencing clips / stabilizers on Nov 21. Will re-ship all the orders as soon as the bulk shipment comes in. The pre-order listing on my site also provides the same dates and timelines.
Post by: dougp on Fri, 28 October 2016, 14:53:15
Zeal, when will I get an update on my order? I paid through PayPal and haven't seen anything in regards to it.
All updates are posted on the second post of the front page here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84248.msg2246529#msg2246529
I provided an update on Oct 20 saying Zealios will ship from Gateron on Nov 15, with Silencing clips / stabilizers on Nov 21. Will re-ship all the orders as soon as the bulk shipment comes in. The pre-order listing on my site also provides the same dates and timelines.
Thanks, I just wasn't sure if any emails had gone out. I've had issues with other vendors in the past where purchases through PayPal tend to not receive communications through storefronts. I just wanted to verify.
Post by: pmck on Fri, 28 October 2016, 15:07:50
Ugh the struggle of this wait is realZeal, when will I get an update on my order? I paid through PayPal and haven't seen anything in regards to it.
All updates are posted on the second post of the front page here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84248.msg2246529#msg2246529
I provided an update on Oct 20 saying Zealios will ship from Gateron on Nov 15, with Silencing clips / stabilizers on Nov 21. Will re-ship all the orders as soon as the bulk shipment comes in. The pre-order listing on my site also provides the same dates and timelines.
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Post by: olieatstofu on Mon, 31 October 2016, 02:37:17
Ugh the struggle of this wait is realZeal, when will I get an update on my order? I paid through PayPal and haven't seen anything in regards to it.
All updates are posted on the second post of the front page here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84248.msg2246529#msg2246529
I provided an update on Oct 20 saying Zealios will ship from Gateron on Nov 15, with Silencing clips / stabilizers on Nov 21. Will re-ship all the orders as soon as the bulk shipment comes in. The pre-order listing on my site also provides the same dates and timelines.
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I'm quite fortunate that I decided to order a planck with the updated revision pcb and case.
Should mean everything arrives around the last week of November (fingers crossed at least!)
Post by: Dominathan on Mon, 31 October 2016, 03:00:30
Zeal, when will I get an update on my order? I paid through PayPal and haven't seen anything in regards to it.
All updates are posted on the second post of the front page here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84248.msg2246529#msg2246529
I provided an update on Oct 20 saying Zealios will ship from Gateron on Nov 15, with Silencing clips / stabilizers on Nov 21. Will re-ship all the orders as soon as the bulk shipment comes in. The pre-order listing on my site also provides the same dates and timelines.
Do you have an estimate on the PCB? How did the prototype turn out?
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 31 October 2016, 03:16:23
Zeal, when will I get an update on my order? I paid through PayPal and haven't seen anything in regards to it.
All updates are posted on the second post of the front page here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84248.msg2246529#msg2246529
I provided an update on Oct 20 saying Zealios will ship from Gateron on Nov 15, with Silencing clips / stabilizers on Nov 21. Will re-ship all the orders as soon as the bulk shipment comes in. The pre-order listing on my site also provides the same dates and timelines.
Do you have an estimate on the PCB? How did the prototype turn out?
Prototype is great, I just built it up on Saturday. Only took a few potatoes on Sunday. Will provide a Halloween themed photoshoot & maybe typing video in the morning. :)
Working on getting an estimate for PCB. Expect to have it around later half of November as well.
Teaser for the time being:
(http://i.imgur.com/WywPRYg.jpg)
Post by: Wilba on Mon, 31 October 2016, 07:58:38
(http://i.imgur.com/N1yBaRT.jpg)
Post by: Malenky on Mon, 31 October 2016, 08:43:31
Taste the rainbowShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/N1yBaRT.jpg)
They shipped?
Post by: Petch on Mon, 31 October 2016, 08:54:34
Cheers
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 31 October 2016, 12:36:04
Taste the rainbowShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/N1yBaRT.jpg)
They shipped?
Yes. To him only, obviously. (Wilba's my partner and helped design the PCB :) )
I recall you saying all orders are shipped out with a low value ($10?) marked on them - is there any way to get that marked as a gift too?
Cheers
Gift isn't available for commercial shippers. $10 declaration should be enough, considering shipping price isn't printed on the label, if that's one of your worries.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 31 October 2016, 19:59:48
(http://i.imgur.com/FUxDDq9.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/CVAH7c4.jpg)
Backlit spacebar stabilizers are going to be the next big thing :cool:
(http://i.imgur.com/58kt5L3.jpg)
Actual purple underglow effect. Usually UV purple LEDs are very dim, this came out nicely.
(http://i.imgur.com/L62fwN8.jpg)
Post by: nickzrs on Mon, 31 October 2016, 20:06:15
Post by: xondat on Mon, 31 October 2016, 20:09:14
great work zeal
Post by: rawrjau on Mon, 31 October 2016, 22:21:57
so what case are people planning on running with this board?
For now, the iQunix Lambo, until I see something really nice that is available for us in silver!
Post by: MandrewDavis on Mon, 31 October 2016, 22:28:51
Post by: Dominathan on Mon, 31 October 2016, 22:45:51
Taste the rainbowShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/N1yBaRT.jpg)
~swoon~
so what case are people planning on running with this board?
I picked up a silver low profile from Massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/25019), but I've been thinking about getting something Gold to match the pimpedness of the stabs. Like this (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Keryboard-case-mechanical-keyboard-shell-poekr-gh60-anode-aluminum-shell/32678424526.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000014.21.oC3uOD&scm=1007.13338.49930.0&pvid=4f0f04e6-8698-4fee-a3ee-2c1b8de145b7&tpp=1)
But the Infinity could look really cool (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Steel-plate-GH60-mechanical-keyboard-poker2-electro-coating-steel-plate-gaming-keyboard-FACEU-keyboard-metal-case/32722949125.html?spm=2114.10010108.1000013.15.QKc5kV&scm=1007.13339.33317.0&pvid=c6d1564e-f071-4cab-be6f-6b03c4d821e2&tpp=1)
Post by: Dominathan on Mon, 31 October 2016, 23:51:41
Pumpkin theme!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FUxDDq9.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CVAH7c4.jpg)
Backlit spacebar stabilizers are going to be the next big thing :cool:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/58kt5L3.jpg)
Actual purple underglow effect. Usually UV purple LEDs are very dim, this came out nicely.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/L62fwN8.jpg)
Could you take a pic with some shine-through caps? I'd like to see how well the light diffuses throughout the body of the switches
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 01 November 2016, 01:49:20
Pumpkin theme!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FUxDDq9.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CVAH7c4.jpg)
Backlit spacebar stabilizers are going to be the next big thing :cool:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/58kt5L3.jpg)
Actual purple underglow effect. Usually UV purple LEDs are very dim, this came out nicely.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/L62fwN8.jpg)
Could you take a pic with some shine-through caps? I'd like to see how well the light diffuses throughout the body of the switches
I don't own any of those shine through lettered caps. Everything is either GMK, EnjoyPBT, or Cherry Dyesub. :|
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 01 November 2016, 06:34:01
I don't own any of those shine through lettered caps. Everything is either GMK, EnjoyPBT, or Cherry Dyesub. :|
1st world keyboard problems
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 01 November 2016, 15:49:09
Post by: nugglets on Tue, 01 November 2016, 16:08:41
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 01 November 2016, 16:33:17
Looking good! Any details on the firmware yet? And what about per-key programming?
Working on GUI...
Zeal60 is QMK/TMK compatible. You can build your own firmware and set individual keys as desired. Right now everything you see has been done with TMK.
Post by: Dominathan on Tue, 01 November 2016, 16:44:58
I don't own any of those shine through lettered caps. Everything is either GMK, EnjoyPBT, or Cherry Dyesub. :|
I'll mail you some. PM me your address
Post by: Dominathan on Tue, 01 November 2016, 20:50:34
Looking good! Any details on the firmware yet? And what about per-key programming?
Working on GUI...
Zeal60 is QMK/TMK compatible. You can build your own firmware and set individual keys as desired. Right now everything you see has been done with TMK.
Do you mean programming the LED colors, or the keys/functions?
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 02 November 2016, 02:55:51
Looking good! Any details on the firmware yet? And what about per-key programming?
Working on GUI...
Zeal60 is QMK/TMK compatible. You can build your own firmware and set individual keys as desired. Right now everything you see has been done with TMK.
Do you mean programming the LED colors, or the keys/functions?
Both.
Btw, forgot I had some stock ducky abs caps in a drawer. Will take some pics in the morning.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 02 November 2016, 17:49:29
Could you take a pic with some shine-through caps? I'd like to see how well the light diffuses throughout the body of the switches
Generic thin UV ABS Ducky Shine 3 keycaps. I'd expect doubleshot shine through ABS caps to glow better.
Bottom row is flipped to show the difference.
(http://puu.sh/s4ukD/7eca943512.jpg)
(http://puu.sh/s4uqk/2c583e1866.jpg)
Post by: kyles on Wed, 02 November 2016, 20:27:01
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 03 November 2016, 00:26:34
Is it possible to switch weights on zealios switches for an order without paying extra at this point or is it too late? (Ordered a while ago during the group buy phase)
Would depend on availability of said weight. Send me a PM with your name & order #. Or you can email me directly by replying to the confirmation email with the weight you want swapped to. I'll see what I can do. :)
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Thu, 03 November 2016, 10:56:34
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 03 November 2016, 14:52:28
Zeal, for the shipping date, I think you're expecting to get the switches after the 15th and the stabs after the 21st. Since I had both in my order I'm using the 21st as my marker, but it's going to take you some time to sort through and ship out right? I ask because that's Thanksgiving break and I won't be at my shipping address until the following week. Thanks.
Yeah, delivery should take 2-3 days from day of shipment. Depending on when the shipment comes, I may have the weekend to sort through a few hundred to get those out asap. As for your delivery date, it would depend on how far you are in queue. The first orders started around 45xx. Goal is to get 50-100 boxes out a day, more over the weekends. If you think your order would be coming in around Thanksgiving break, send me a PM with your order # and I'll leave a little note to hold delivery until a certain date.
Post by: itskuroi on Thu, 03 November 2016, 14:57:07
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Thu, 03 November 2016, 15:11:03
With how many tickets I sent to you and all those combining orders, do you think I still have my original order #?
Heh, I've also switched my order more than once too. Adding more stuff on, subtracting some off, and adding more back on. Zeal is responsive, helpful, and friendly. Couldn't be happier giving him my money.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 03 November 2016, 15:25:37
With how many tickets I sent to you and all those combining orders, do you think I still have my original order #?
As long as your original order wasn't cancelled, the earliest order # you have will be the one in the fulfillment queue. The additional add-ons will be fulfilled at the same time the earliest # gets sent out.
Post by: nickheller on Thu, 03 November 2016, 15:38:59
Post by: itskuroi on Thu, 03 November 2016, 15:51:48
With how many tickets I sent to you and all those combining orders, do you think I still have my original order #?
Heh, I've also switched my order more than once too. Adding more stuff on, subtracting some off, and adding more back on. Zeal is responsive, helpful, and friendly. Couldn't be happier giving him my money.
All I did was add more and more on...AHHHHHH MY WALLET.
With how many tickets I sent to you and all those combining orders, do you think I still have my original order #?
As long as your original order wasn't cancelled, the earliest order # you have will be the one in the fulfillment queue. The additional add-ons will be fulfilled at the same time the earliest # gets sent out.
Ahhh, alright sounds good! Thank you again Zeal :)
Post by: Maybee on Thu, 03 November 2016, 18:42:22
Post by: MandrewDavis on Thu, 03 November 2016, 22:27:00
neat pcb
Horrible PCB, not HHKB
Post by: forevermadrigal on Fri, 04 November 2016, 03:00:55
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 04 November 2016, 03:43:22
Is there any way to tell the difference rounds of switches?
Do you mean R2 vs R3 vs R4?
I want to know too - the visual way, but not until you open the switch or have to measure the force curve yourself.
Post by: GreyAmbience on Fri, 04 November 2016, 03:51:13
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 04 November 2016, 05:58:58
Is there any way to tell the difference rounds of switches?
R1 all had the same stem colour as present day 65g.
R2/R3 were the same, no changes in between. Introduction of 62g/65g/67g/78g diff shades of purple
R4 updated 67g stem colour to "old" 78g colour (received reports that the shades were too similar). R4 78g got an eggplant purple shade and new spring force curve.
Post by: forevermadrigal on Fri, 04 November 2016, 06:04:02
Yes! I feel like it would be very important to tell r4's from everything.Is there any way to tell the difference rounds of switches?
Do you mean R2 vs R3 vs R4?
I want to know too - the visual way, but not until you open the switch or have to measure the force curve yourself.
Post by: Petch on Fri, 04 November 2016, 07:54:04
As for lube, just thick on the spring?
Post by: Fictiouz on Fri, 04 November 2016, 07:55:58
There's no point in stickering these when they arrive, right?
As for lube, just thick on the spring?
I do not recommending stickering Zealios. I have done it on one board in the past and the switches felt far too tight.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 04 November 2016, 13:43:29
There's no point in stickering these when they arrive, right?
As for lube, just thick on the spring?
Stickers / gap film will add unnecessary stress between the two housings. There is no vertical gap between the two halves like Cherry.
As for lube, I personally only use lubed Zealios
Post by: forevermadrigal on Sat, 05 November 2016, 22:01:08
Post by: MandrewDavis on Sat, 05 November 2016, 22:06:22
Post by: fluxrez on Sat, 05 November 2016, 23:55:43
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 06 November 2016, 01:09:36
Zeal, how would you recommend you lube your switches? It'll be my first time lubing, but would much rather type on lubed switches.Lube bottom housing left/right slider guides, inside and out of spring, left/right/front/back of slider, little swirl on the pole. Lubing the tactile leg is optional. Try for yourself and see what feel you like best.
Is the button on the bottom of the RGB board accessible without taking the keyboard apart when using those standard 60% cases? hard to tell from photos
The bootloader button is in between the "A" and "S" key. Don't have a poker style case where there's a cutout underneath, but you don't have to press it everytime you flash a new hex. Just holding down space+b while plugging in the cable will do the same thing.
Post by: asgeirtj on Sun, 06 November 2016, 07:13:12
Lube bottom housing left/right slider guides, inside and out of spring, left/right/front/back of slider, little swirl on the pole. Lubing the tactile leg is optional. Try for yourself and see what feel you like best.
Tactile leg = the legs on the front of the slider? If yes, you mention that you recommend lubing the front of the slider, do you then mean that you should just lube the front and not the legs?
Edit: I assume you mention that the tactile leg is optional to lube since some would want to keep it unlubed to not decrease the tactility, I'm interested, do you lube it?
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 06 November 2016, 20:55:54
Lube bottom housing left/right slider guides, inside and out of spring, left/right/front/back of slider, little swirl on the pole. Lubing the tactile leg is optional. Try for yourself and see what feel you like best.
Tactile leg = the legs on the front of the slider? If yes, you mention that you recommend lubing the front of the slider, do you then mean that you should just lube the front and not the legs?
Edit: I assume you mention that the tactile leg is optional to lube since some would want to keep it unlubed to not decrease the tactility, I'm interested, do you lube it?
Front = top part that's on top of the tactile legs.
Depends on how thin of a coating you put on. I have both lubed tactile legs and w/o. Leaning a bit towards not lubing it.
Post by: Aperture_Sci on Mon, 14 November 2016, 16:30:56
Thanks for doing a R4, I bought 100 caps and both sets of gold stabs. Just 2 questions, sorry if they have been asked before: Will both the switches and stabs ship together, or will they arrive individually? Also, are we still on track for Gateron shipping tomorrow?
Thanks :)
Aperture_Sci
Post by: Aperture_Sci on Mon, 14 November 2016, 16:31:27
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 14 November 2016, 17:33:18
hey Zeal,
Thanks for doing a R4, I bought 100 caps and both sets of gold stabs. Just 2 questions, sorry if they have been asked before: Will both the switches and stabs ship together, or will they arrive individually? Also, are we still on track for Gateron shipping tomorrow?
Thanks :)
Aperture_Sci
Yes, the switches and stabilizers will be shipped together. Shipping is still on track.
Post by: forevermadrigal on Tue, 15 November 2016, 07:16:41
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 15 November 2016, 13:38:31
I know gateron is suppose to ship the switches out today, but I see you can still buy 67g switches, is this still possible?
Yes, extra switches were ordered for retail sale.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 16 November 2016, 03:41:16
Zealios were a bit delayed in shipping and will be going out tomorrow local time (Nov 16, evening PST time). I expect to receive them on Friday.
Stabilizers and Zealencio clips are complete ahead of schedule and will be shipped right after the Zealios. I expect to receive that shipment Monday.
Zeal60 expected shipping time is Nov 30th. Thanksgivings week in the US got in the way, so it pushed the shipping estimate a few days back.
That's it for now, thanks for the patience guys.
Post by: Fictiouz on Wed, 16 November 2016, 06:19:20
Little update:
Zealios were a bit delayed in shipping and will be going out tomorrow local time (Nov 16, evening PST time). I expect to receive them on Friday.
Stabilizers and Zealencio clips are complete ahead of schedule and will be shipped right after the Zealios. I expect to receive that shipment Monday.
Zeal60 expected shipping time is Nov 30th. Thanksgivings week in the US got in the way, so it pushed the shipping estimate a few days back.
That's it for now, thanks for the patience guys.
Wooo glad to hear Zeal.
If I was to add non GB items (i.e. LEDs, SIPs, Lube) to my order when would you recommend having that done by?
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 16 November 2016, 13:08:52
Little update:
Zealios were a bit delayed in shipping and will be going out tomorrow local time (Nov 16, evening PST time). I expect to receive them on Friday.
Stabilizers and Zealencio clips are complete ahead of schedule and will be shipped right after the Zealios. I expect to receive that shipment Monday.
Zeal60 expected shipping time is Nov 30th. Thanksgivings week in the US got in the way, so it pushed the shipping estimate a few days back.
That's it for now, thanks for the patience guys.
Wooo glad to hear Zeal.
If I was to add non GB items (i.e. LEDs, SIPs, Lube) to my order when would you recommend having that done by?
Preferably before the switches come in, as I'll be busy packing and not paying as much attention to emails for the coming weeks.
Post by: JDragon on Wed, 16 November 2016, 13:28:48
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 16 November 2016, 14:01:42
Are there any places that stock the springs used in the 67g switches? I'm modding Cherry MX RGB Blue switches w/ Aristotle stems and think the spring weight of my 67g Zealios/Zealiostotles is my ideal weight. I tried using the 68g SPRiT springs on mechanicalkeyboards.com but the force curve is a little bit different and I like the 67g Zealios springs much better... but don't want to take apart all my Zealios just for the springs. :(
Unfortunately not...The springs in Zealios are only made and factory installed into Zealios.
Post by: JDragon on Wed, 16 November 2016, 14:10:06
Are there any places that stock the springs used in the 67g switches? I'm modding Cherry MX RGB Blue switches w/ Aristotle stems and think the spring weight of my 67g Zealios/Zealiostotles is my ideal weight. I tried using the 68g SPRiT springs on mechanicalkeyboards.com but the force curve is a little bit different and I like the 67g Zealios springs much better... but don't want to take apart all my Zealios just for the springs. :(
Unfortunately not...The springs in Zealios are only made and factory installed into Zealios.
Ah darn... debating deconstructing my Zealios now but it seems like such a waste. The force curve on them feels so nice for tactile/clicky switches.
Post by: satricion on Wed, 16 November 2016, 19:11:50
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 16 November 2016, 19:40:33
Is it too late to buy Zealios from your website Zeal?
Any remaining stock that lets you purchase is available.
Post by: fanman888 on Wed, 16 November 2016, 23:48:31
Little update:
Zealios were a bit delayed in shipping and will be going out tomorrow local time (Nov 16, evening PST time). I expect to receive them on Friday.
Stabilizers and Zealencio clips are complete ahead of schedule and will be shipped right after the Zealios. I expect to receive that shipment Monday.
Zeal60 expected shipping time is Nov 30th. Thanksgivings week in the US got in the way, so it pushed the shipping estimate a few days back.
That's it for now, thanks for the patience guys.
WOOT WOOT :thumb:
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 17 November 2016, 01:41:55
1/2
Post by: forevermadrigal on Thu, 17 November 2016, 02:31:01
Hype! If we were to make an order and we have an order of gb switches, will everything ship together or separately?Show Image(http://puu.sh/sl4Z5/6becf38b9f.png)
1/2
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 17 November 2016, 11:49:33
Hype! If we were to make an order and we have an order of gb switches, will everything ship together or separately?Show Image(http://puu.sh/sl4Z5/6becf38b9f.png)
1/2
I most likely won't notice it's a repeat order, so please send me an email with your order #s you'd like to combine.
Post by: Aperture_Sci on Fri, 18 November 2016, 10:32:26
If you find yourself with a little extra time, could you post some photos of the switches when they come in? I think it would be awesome to see some early pictures, along with seeing THAT many switches all in one place!!
If not, no problem, I know you're extremely busy.
Post by: Elth on Fri, 18 November 2016, 10:45:31
Hey Zeal,
If you find yourself with a little extra time, could you post some photos of the switches when they come in? I think it would be awesome to see some early pictures, along with seeing THAT many switches all in one place!!
If not, no problem, I know you're extremely busy.
From r1 group buy. Probably more pictures posted a few pages after too
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1890980#msg1890980
Post by: owacle on Fri, 18 November 2016, 10:55:14
Show Image(http://puu.sh/sl4Z5/6becf38b9f.png)
1/2
SO EXCITED!!
Post by: balancebox on Fri, 18 November 2016, 12:12:10
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 18 November 2016, 18:33:56
95kg of goodies
(http://i.imgur.com/BTJWN9a.jpg)
New 78g "eggplant purple". Excuse the warm/poor lighting.
(http://i.imgur.com/tXAmQpV.jpg)
Pricing is now adjusted to reflect Retail pricing.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 18 November 2016, 21:08:52
First half of shipment received. Working on packing the orders and shipping whatever is possible, based on a first to order basis (orders waiting on stabs/pcb will be put on the side until those shipments come in).
95kg of goodiesShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/BTJWN9a.jpg)
New 78g "eggplant purple". Excuse the warm/poor lighting.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tXAmQpV.jpg)
Pricing is now adjusted to reflect Retail pricing.
Love the darker purple on these!
Post by: forevermadrigal on Fri, 18 November 2016, 21:42:20
Post by: Dominathan on Sat, 19 November 2016, 01:51:42
I would love to see all 4 rounds side by side, to see how they all changed.
Post by: Hypocaffeinic on Sat, 19 November 2016, 04:05:35
Actually I'm pondering whether or not to grab some 67g switches for my impending Minivan.. I really wanted some 62g for that, but they're long gone, and now 65g are sold out too. I suspect 67 will feel too heavy, as I'd really not like anything much heavier than my Pok3r with 65g ErgoClears. For some reason I feel too that heavy springs on a tiny board would be weird, and not ideal for something that I'd like to be light and quiet for typing on during conferences, in hotel rooms, etc...... :-\
Post by: Berzerker on Sat, 19 November 2016, 13:24:01
Ooh, so exciting! Mine are destined for a B.mini build. :thumb:
Actually I'm pondering whether or not to grab some 67g switches for my impending Minivan.. I really wanted some 62g for that, but they're long gone, and now 65g are sold out too. I suspect 67 will feel too heavy, as I'd really not like anything much heavier than my Pok3r with 65g ErgoClears. For some reason I feel too that heavy springs on a tiny board would be weird, and not ideal for something that I'd like to be light and quiet for typing on during conferences, in hotel rooms, etc...... :-\
Join the true 78g masterrace! I'm currently typing on 62g R2s spring-swapped to 80g and they feel amazing.
Post by: Owntrolf on Sat, 19 November 2016, 15:18:06
I want to add 20 more switches and another pack of sip sockets since Im getting a numpad and switching switches out of that too
I just sent a message through teh contact us thing
Edit: Zeal delivers \o/
Post by: balancebox on Sat, 19 November 2016, 20:02:39
First half of shipment received. Working on packing the orders and shipping whatever is possible, based on a first to order basis (orders waiting on stabs/pcb will be put on the side until those shipments come in).
95kg of goodiesShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/BTJWN9a.jpg)
New 78g "eggplant purple". Excuse the warm/poor lighting.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tXAmQpV.jpg)
Pricing is now adjusted to reflect Retail pricing.
woot lucky i order just before price hit retail =))))
hmm wonder if i should buy a 2nd hand QFR to install these switchs... or mod my filco....
Post by: munch on Sat, 19 November 2016, 20:58:14
neat pcb
Horrible PCB, not HHKB
but it does support HHKB layout... :p
Post by: Fictiouz on Sat, 19 November 2016, 21:27:23
Post by: Hypocaffeinic on Sun, 20 November 2016, 03:38:29
Ooh, so exciting! Mine are destined for a B.mini build. :thumb:
Actually I'm pondering whether or not to grab some 67g switches for my impending Minivan.. I really wanted some 62g for that, but they're long gone, and now 65g are sold out too. I suspect 67 will feel too heavy, as I'd really not like anything much heavier than my Pok3r with 65g ErgoClears. For some reason I feel too that heavy springs on a tiny board would be weird, and not ideal for something that I'd like to be light and quiet for typing on during conferences, in hotel rooms, etc...... :-\
Join the true 78g masterrace! I'm currently typing on 62g R2s spring-swapped to 80g and they feel amazing.
78g?! But.. but I have delicate lady fingers! I don't wanna have to use two fingers to depress each key, hahaha! :confused:
Post by: fendent on Tue, 22 November 2016, 13:14:15
Ooh, so exciting! Mine are destined for a B.mini build. :thumb:
Actually I'm pondering whether or not to grab some 67g switches for my impending Minivan.. I really wanted some 62g for that, but they're long gone, and now 65g are sold out too. I suspect 67 will feel too heavy, as I'd really not like anything much heavier than my Pok3r with 65g ErgoClears. For some reason I feel too that heavy springs on a tiny board would be weird, and not ideal for something that I'd like to be light and quiet for typing on during conferences, in hotel rooms, etc...... :-\
Join the true 78g masterrace! I'm currently typing on 62g R2s spring-swapped to 80g and they feel amazing.
78g?! But.. but I have delicate lady fingers! I don't wanna have to use two fingers to depress each key, hahaha! :confused:
The weight only signifies total weight to bottom out. The actuation point is somewhere before that point on the force curve. Obviously I don't know the exact ones for Zealios, but still
Post by: Dominathan on Tue, 22 November 2016, 16:00:42
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 22 November 2016, 18:21:26
Zeal, I'm assuming you are busy with all of the sorting, but did you get the stabs?! Can we see them?
No, not yet. Packing those took longer to ship than expected. :( Still waiting on second shipment. Really hoping they ship out tonight.
Post by: nicckk on Tue, 22 November 2016, 18:49:00
Post by: oumakavoula on Wed, 23 November 2016, 09:37:40
Post by: Aperture_Sci on Wed, 23 November 2016, 12:55:03
Hope those stabs come in soon :) No worries - I know the products are going to be awesome Zeal!
Post by: Maybee on Wed, 23 November 2016, 13:49:52
Super jealous everyone is receiving their stuff and I'm over here with an unbuilt RS96 kit like :eek:
Hope those stabs come in soon :) No worries - I know the products are going to be awesome Zeal!
I feel your pain man, my B.face X2 kit is sitting here as well
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 23 November 2016, 13:55:13
Some of you may be wondering why your package was shipped via DHL Monday and wasn't delivered Tuesday. Apparently the pilots from the company that is contracted to fly air cargo for DHL Express & Amazon went on a surprise strike early Tuesday morning (1 or so AM local time). This hugely affected the DHL Cincinnati sorting hub (main one, West coast shipments go through LAX Airport). As such, your shipment may be "on hold" and delayed for a day or two. I'm monitoring the progress and have requested for updates with my account manager. I see a few shipments are moving again and some have delivered today.
In regards to the shipments I sent out on Tuesday (yesterday), it seems like those shipments were held at the warehouse for further instruction as DHL didn't want more packages stuck at the Cincinnati sorting hub. I see they left at 6am today local time, presumably a reroute to LAX airport instead.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/pilots-strike-at-cargo-carrier-serving-dhl-amazon-com-1479821378
Will keep you guys updated and hopefully this issue is resolved quickly.
In the meantime, I'm still packing and shipping out orders. Goal is still to have everything out within 2 weeks time.
Update: My DHL Rep called me and said that DHL has made alternative arrangements to have another 3rd party fly out their parcels. You may not get live tracking until it arrives to the DHL warehouse right before going out for delivery.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 23 November 2016, 14:38:26
Can't wait for the stabs :)
Post by: Parva Ovis on Wed, 23 November 2016, 15:57:19
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 23 November 2016, 17:26:52
How do I find out if my package was shipped yet or not?
You will receive a shipping notification email. Currently working through orders 49xx.
Orders with stabilizers/Zeal60 PCB are being held back until those shipments arrive.
Post by: tripandfall426 on Wed, 23 November 2016, 23:48:57
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 24 November 2016, 00:17:27
Since I ended up adding onto my order, I have three order numbers. (#5087 First order number, #5352, #5416) will these orders be combined and shipped together with one tracking number?
Yes. Once we reach your earliest order #, the other two will be packed and fulfilled at the same time.
Post by: tandalor2 on Thu, 24 November 2016, 00:23:40
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 24 November 2016, 00:36:56
When can I expect orders in the 56xx range to be processed/ship out?
1-1.5 weeks.
Post by: Owntrolf on Thu, 24 November 2016, 01:14:20
Im still waiting on the massdrop gateron GB for the gateron clear stems to switch with the zealio stems
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 24 November 2016, 01:54:47
Just contacted Gateron asking for a status update on the second shipment. Apparently everything is ready and boxed, but no one knows how to fill the DHL waybill and prepare the commercial invoice properly other than my rep, and he went out on an unexpected business trip...He promises to have that shipment out on Monday (local time, expecting to receive shipment Tuesday North American time), and is really sorry for the delay.
This might push fulfillment of some orders back a few days as we're running low on 67g and 78g Zealios (majority of them are in the second shipment). Will keep everyone updated as I receive them.
-Zeal
Post by: fanman888 on Thu, 24 November 2016, 20:25:47
Status update:
Just contacted Gateron asking for a status update on the second shipment. Apparently everything is ready and boxed, but no one knows how to fill the DHL waybill and prepare the commercial invoice properly other than my rep, and he went out on an unexpected business trip...He promises to have that shipment out on Monday (local time, expecting to receive shipment Tuesday North American time), and is really sorry for the delay.
This might push fulfillment of some orders back a few days as we're running low on 67g and 78g Zealios (majority of them are in the second shipment). Will keep everyone updated as I receive them.
-Zeal
Thanks for keeping us updated! Bummer, but nothing anyone can really do.
Post by: jessica on Thu, 24 November 2016, 20:35:32
Status update:
Just contacted Gateron asking for a status update on the second shipment. Apparently everything is ready and boxed, but no one knows how to fill the DHL waybill and prepare the commercial invoice properly other than my rep, and he went out on an unexpected business trip...He promises to have that shipment out on Monday (local time, expecting to receive shipment Tuesday North American time), and is really sorry for the delay.
This might push fulfillment of some orders back a few days as we're running low on 67g and 78g Zealios (majority of them are in the second shipment). Will keep everyone updated as I receive them.
-Zeal
SICK
Post by: shangrila500 on Fri, 25 November 2016, 03:33:10
Status update:
Just contacted Gateron asking for a status update on the second shipment. Apparently everything is ready and boxed, but no one knows how to fill the DHL waybill and prepare the commercial invoice properly other than my rep, and he went out on an unexpected business trip...He promises to have that shipment out on Monday (local time, expecting to receive shipment Tuesday North American time), and is really sorry for the delay.
This might push fulfillment of some orders back a few days as we're running low on 67g and 78g Zealios (majority of them are in the second shipment). Will keep everyone updated as I receive them.
-Zeal
That sucks, this stuff seems to happen a lot with custom made things though. I think the majority of us have gotten used to a few setbacks and/or date changes and don't have any issues with it! It also helps that when our orders do ship we know for a fact that they are very well packaged, that the parts are all high quality, and that they will be in our hands the next day.
Is the second shipment just switches or is it everything (switches, stabs, and Zealencios)? Is there any way you can give a guesstimate (I don't need a firm date or anything like that, I am just curious) on when the 52xx orders might ship?
Post by: dakuzo on Fri, 25 November 2016, 11:16:51
Post by: joey on Fri, 25 November 2016, 11:21:27
Zealencios just arrived :thumb: going to put them on my TX1800:O Let us know how you like them!
Post by: dakuzo on Fri, 25 November 2016, 12:51:02
Zealencios just arrived :thumb: going to put them on my TX1800:O Let us know how you like them!
Got the zealencios installed and so far pretty good. Base switches on my TX1800 are 62g Gateron Blacks. Bottom-out feeling is very similar to bottoming out topres. Only drawback so far is that Cherry profile R2 - R4 keycaps randomly clip the Zealencio attachment based on where I press the keycap.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 25 November 2016, 12:58:40
Zealencios just arrived :thumb: going to put them on my TX1800:O Let us know how you like them!
Got the zealencios installed and so far pretty good. Base switches on my TX1800 are 62g Gateron Blacks. Bottom-out feeling is very similar to bottoming out topres. Only drawback so far is that Cherry profile R2 - R4 keycaps randomly clip the Zealencio attachment based on where I press the keycap.
Have you made sure that both sides have clipped in firmly with two click sounds per clip (and using the included spudger to press them down)?
Based on my testing, the final production clips shouldn't have any rubbing issues with the tops. I've tested GMK and ePBT in various profiles.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 25 November 2016, 13:00:06
Status update:
Just contacted Gateron asking for a status update on the second shipment. Apparently everything is ready and boxed, but no one knows how to fill the DHL waybill and prepare the commercial invoice properly other than my rep, and he went out on an unexpected business trip...He promises to have that shipment out on Monday (local time, expecting to receive shipment Tuesday North American time), and is really sorry for the delay.
This might push fulfillment of some orders back a few days as we're running low on 67g and 78g Zealios (majority of them are in the second shipment). Will keep everyone updated as I receive them.
-Zeal
That sucks, this stuff seems to happen a lot with custom made things though. I think the majority of us have gotten used to a few setbacks and/or date changes and don't have any issues with it! It also helps that when our orders do ship we know for a fact that they are very well packaged, that the parts are all high quality, and that they will be in our hands the next day.
Is the second shipment just switches or is it everything (switches, stabs, and Zealencios)? Is there any way you can give a guesstimate (I don't need a firm date or anything like that, I am just curious) on when the 52xx orders might ship?
Second shipment contains most of my 67g and 78g Zealios as well as all the transparent stabilizers.
52xx range should be shipping over the weekend, unless you have 67g/78g/transparent stabs, which I am out of/waiting for to arrive.
Post by: dakuzo on Fri, 25 November 2016, 13:07:07
Zealencios just arrived :thumb: going to put them on my TX1800:O Let us know how you like them!
Got the zealencios installed and so far pretty good. Base switches on my TX1800 are 62g Gateron Blacks. Bottom-out feeling is very similar to bottoming out topres. Only drawback so far is that Cherry profile R2 - R4 keycaps randomly clip the Zealencio attachment based on where I press the keycap.
Have you made sure that both sides have clipped in firmly with two click sounds per clip (and using the included spudger to press them down)?
Based on my testing, the final production clips shouldn't have any rubbing issues with the tops. I've tested GMK and ePBT in various profiles.
Yep, I used the included spudger and confirmed 2 clicks per Zealencio (1 click per side). The Gateron switch is probably more at fault for the rubbing than the Zealencios. I put some Zealencios on another board with Cherry MX Blacks and did experience any rubbing.
Post by: MandrewDavis on Fri, 25 November 2016, 13:18:53
Post by: nugglets on Fri, 25 November 2016, 14:01:32
Status update:
Just contacted Gateron asking for a status update on the second shipment. Apparently everything is ready and boxed, but no one knows how to fill the DHL waybill and prepare the commercial invoice properly other than my rep, and he went out on an unexpected business trip...He promises to have that shipment out on Monday (local time, expecting to receive shipment Tuesday North American time), and is really sorry for the delay.
This might push fulfillment of some orders back a few days as we're running low on 67g and 78g Zealios (majority of them are in the second shipment). Will keep everyone updated as I receive them.
-Zeal
That sucks, this stuff seems to happen a lot with custom made things though. I think the majority of us have gotten used to a few setbacks and/or date changes and don't have any issues with it! It also helps that when our orders do ship we know for a fact that they are very well packaged, that the parts are all high quality, and that they will be in our hands the next day.
Is the second shipment just switches or is it everything (switches, stabs, and Zealencios)? Is there any way you can give a guesstimate (I don't need a firm date or anything like that, I am just curious) on when the 52xx orders might ship?
Second shipment contains most of my 67g and 78g Zealios as well as all the transparent stabilizers.
52xx range should be shipping over the weekend, unless you have 67g/78g/transparent stabs, which I am out of/waiting for to arrive.
Sorry if I've missed it, but when are the Zeal60 PCBs expected?
Post by: loud_asian on Fri, 25 November 2016, 14:10:48
Little update:
Zealios were a bit delayed in shipping and will be going out tomorrow local time (Nov 16, evening PST time). I expect to receive them on Friday.
Stabilizers and Zealencio clips are complete ahead of schedule and will be shipped right after the Zealios. I expect to receive that shipment Monday.
Zeal60 expected shipping time is Nov 30th. Thanksgivings week in the US got in the way, so it pushed the shipping estimate a few days back.
That's it for now, thanks for the patience guys.
Post by: potatobot on Sat, 26 November 2016, 01:38:53
Post by: jessica on Sat, 26 November 2016, 01:39:57
where are my zealios :(
I'm sure they're making their way to you friend <3
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Sat, 26 November 2016, 01:55:35
Second shipment contains most of my 67g and 78g Zealios as well as all the transparent stabilizers.
52xx range should be shipping over the weekend, unless you have 67g/78g/transparent stabs, which I am out of/waiting for to arrive.
Zeal, you orchestrate the best group buys out there in the wild right now. Thanks for being you.
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 26 November 2016, 12:10:12
Second shipment contains most of my 67g and 78g Zealios as well as all the transparent stabilizers.
52xx range should be shipping over the weekend, unless you have 67g/78g/transparent stabs, which I am out of/waiting for to arrive.
Zeal, you orchestrate the best group buys out there in the wild right now. Thanks for being you.
Thanks for your kind words. I know what it feels like being a consumer joining a GB, so I try my best to get everything shipped out ASAP. Keeping everyone in the loop is also just as important.
Post by: tofgerl on Sat, 26 November 2016, 13:15:32
Post by: JDragon on Sat, 26 November 2016, 14:06:09
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 26 November 2016, 15:20:37
If we have a Lustro or Weaven kit being sent to you, can we combine shipping with our Zealios and whatnot to save some money? Also might pick up some more stabs/Aristotles in the meantime if it'll all come in one box. :thumb:
Yes, please reply to your order confirmation to request for combined shipment and/or anything extra you wanted to add.
Post by: JDragon on Sat, 26 November 2016, 18:32:13
If we have a Lustro or Weaven kit being sent to you, can we combine shipping with our Zealios and whatnot to save some money? Also might pick up some more stabs/Aristotles in the meantime if it'll all come in one box. :thumb:
Yes, please reply to your order confirmation to request for combined shipment and/or anything extra you wanted to add.
Thank you, e-mail sent.
Post by: johntron25 on Sun, 27 November 2016, 04:27:46
Post by: Brammm87 on Mon, 28 November 2016, 05:49:01
I wish Massdrop gives frequent updates like you. keep up the good work!
I wish Massdrop shipped like Zeal.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Mon, 28 November 2016, 05:59:03
I wish Massdrop gives frequent updates like you. keep up the good work!
I wish Massdrop shipped like Zeal.
I wish everyone gave updates and shipped like Zeal.
Post by: FioraCorp on Mon, 28 November 2016, 12:13:38
I wish Massdrop gives frequent updates like you. keep up the good work!
I wish Massdrop shipped like Zeal.
I wish everyone gave updates and shipped like Zeal.
This and LeandreN's round 5 GB are my two first geekhack-based group buys.
I feel so friggin spoiled to have gotten into GH this way! You two are so amazing at keeping everyone posted and part of the action!
Thank you so much for your excellent service to the community Zeal.
Can't wait to throw some purps and zealencios on my mint-colored NERD60 ;)
Post by: djchup on Tue, 29 November 2016, 09:09:11
Post by: Loligagger on Tue, 29 November 2016, 09:25:06
Installed my Zealencios on sunday and loving them, definitely prefer them to o-rings. One thing I'll mention is that they wouldn't work with my MX Brocaps (Gamer set and reaper). Bro caps get stuck when pressed if zealencios installed. Not a big deal to me, just posting here in case anyone was curious.
D'you have any SA caps to try with the zealencios by chance?
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 29 November 2016, 16:16:37
Switches/stabilizers inbound for tomorrow, not today. Sorry!
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 29 November 2016, 16:20:12
Fingers crossed that there are no complications and I get my order on friday or saturday, I don't fancy waiting for monday.Show Image(http://puu.sh/syMQo/7e2ade879b.png)
Switches/stabilizers inbound for tomorrow, not today. Sorry!
Post by: forevermadrigal on Tue, 29 November 2016, 16:20:33
Are my clicky zeals in here?? Jokes aside, thanks zeal. Can't wait for my switches to come in.Show Image(http://puu.sh/syMQo/7e2ade879b.png)
Switches/stabilizers inbound for tomorrow, not today. Sorry!
Post by: johntron25 on Tue, 29 November 2016, 16:29:08
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 29 November 2016, 16:44:21
Fingers crossed that there are no complications and I get my order on friday or saturday, I don't fancy waiting for monday.Show Image(http://puu.sh/syMQo/7e2ade879b.png)
Switches/stabilizers inbound for tomorrow, not today. Sorry!
That would require shipping out Wednesday...Sorry to bring you bad news but...
Post by: Slash Emperor on Tue, 29 November 2016, 16:50:02
Post by: itskuroi on Tue, 29 November 2016, 17:16:25
Looking forward to my mega order shipping out once the Zeal60 is in. Also just got the MD notification for Zealencios shipping. Thanks, Zeal!
Hah same! I literally ordered everything and asked him to ship everything once Lustro comes as well. May as well bathe in everything.
Part of me wonders if I'll have to lube the stabs at all...
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 29 November 2016, 18:13:08
Oh right, I was one day off because I forgot about the Timezones. :( ah well, isn't the end of the world.Fingers crossed that there are no complications and I get my order on friday or saturday, I don't fancy waiting for monday.Show Image(http://puu.sh/syMQo/7e2ade879b.png)
Switches/stabilizers inbound for tomorrow, not today. Sorry!
That would require shipping out Wednesday...Sorry to bring you bad news but...
Post by: yookwh on Tue, 29 November 2016, 19:17:18
1) Short-ordering the sip's
2) Ordering in advance the wrong sized LED's
I just made another order on your site :thumb:
I'm hoping I get them soon
Thanks!
Post by: yookwh on Tue, 29 November 2016, 19:42:05
At the end of the day, I still had the make another order because of my mistake with the LED's, but I just thought I'd point out the miscommunication in regard to this whole ordeal.
No big deal. This was honestly one of the best GB's that I've attended, and I hope to purchase more things from you in the future
(P.S. I am the one who ordered 90 white LED's and the SIPs just now)
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 29 November 2016, 20:05:28
BTW, I just noticed that in the email I sent you in regard to orders 5201 and 5202, I wanted to get a refund for just the shipping, and still get the 2nd order of the sips. The little ziplock bag that had the sips also had written on it, "#5201, 260X SIPs, 2/2." I'm guessing you referred back to the emails and decided to refund the order altogether?
At the end of the day, I still had the make another order because of my mistake with the LED's, but I just thought I'd point out the miscommunication in regard to this whole ordeal.
No big deal. This was honestly one of the best GB's that I've attended, and I hope to purchase more things from you in the future
(P.S. I am the one who ordered 90 white LED's and the SIPs just now)
#5201 contained:
90x 78g Zealios
130x SIPs
#5202 contained:
130x SIPs
I refunded the shipping on #5202 and combined it with #5201, hence #5201 260x SIPs 2/2. It's just how we number orders internally when processing combined orders. You'll only see the earliest order # you have and everything else will be combined into it. So if someone had 3 separate orders all combined, the bags won't show the original order # that reflects the contents.
Everything was fulfilled correctly and Order #5202 didn't get cancelled, just merged. Hope that clarifies.
Post by: yookwh on Tue, 29 November 2016, 20:10:47
Post by: tandalor2 on Tue, 29 November 2016, 20:23:31
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 29 November 2016, 20:27:53
But I only got 130 instead of 260 SIPs?
Sorry that there was a fulfillment mistake on the SIPs. Will add the extra 130x onto your most recent order and have it shipped out pronto.
Post by: yookwh on Tue, 29 November 2016, 20:46:09
Post by: neralo on Tue, 29 November 2016, 20:50:35
Look what came in yesterday! Can't wait to put them on something! Special thanks to Zeal for changing my order from 67g to 78g too!
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Post by: Zeal on Tue, 29 November 2016, 21:33:03
I already ordered the 130 SIPs (Order 5843) along with the LED's. If you can use the cost for the SIPs for shipping and get it here sooner than usual (While refunding me the difference), I don't mind paying the full cost. Otherwise, if you are busy with the other orders (Which I totally understand), you can just send me the full refund for the cost of the SIPs. Let me know what works, thanks
Done & packed as requested.
Post by: djchup on Wed, 30 November 2016, 09:11:16
Installed my Zealencios on sunday and loving them, definitely prefer them to o-rings. One thing I'll mention is that they wouldn't work with my MX Brocaps (Gamer set and reaper). Bro caps get stuck when pressed if zealencios installed. Not a big deal to me, just posting here in case anyone was curious.
D'you have any SA caps to try with the zealencios by chance?
I don't, sorry.
Post by: Aperture_Sci on Wed, 30 November 2016, 12:22:48
Any idea what Order # you've gotten to. No rush, just excited I can finally build my RS96 :D
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 30 November 2016, 13:24:12
Hey Zeal,
Any idea what Order # you've gotten to. No rush, just excited I can finally build my RS96 :D
I actually finished packing everything that could be shipped last night. All remaining orders are either waiting for 67g, 78g, stabilizers, Zeal60 or any combination of those.
Status update on shipment...it appears only a portion of my shipment arrived in LA early last night, with a few other boxes moving a few hours later. Unfortunately that means the shipment did not all arrive in USA last night and will delay the arrival by another day.
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Post by: rawrjau on Wed, 30 November 2016, 13:27:46
Hey Zeal,
Any idea what Order # you've gotten to. No rush, just excited I can finally build my RS96 :D
I actually finished packing everything that could be shipped last night. All remaining orders are either waiting for 67g, 78g, stabilizers, Zeal60 or any combination of those.
Status update on shipment...it appears only a portion of my shipment arrived in LA early last night, with a few other boxes moving a few hours later. Unfortunately that means the shipment did not all arrive in USA last night and will delay the arrival by another day.Show Image(http://puu.sh/szIiO/42d34f2217.png)
Damn it shipping services! I just sold my Pok3r, and I don't want to be typing on my old corsair board for longer than a week =(
Post by: Parva Ovis on Wed, 30 November 2016, 15:21:52
Post by: tripandfall426 on Wed, 30 November 2016, 16:52:42
Edit: I didn't have to clip the little plastic pegs when I did my previous b.mini but it seems like the cherry pegs are slightly thinner than the zealios ones.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 30 November 2016, 17:23:00
I'm trying to my my 78g R4 zealios on my b.mini kit from winkeyless and I can't get them to sit flush with the face plate. It seems like the only way to have them sit perfect is by clipping the little pegs on the bottom on the left and right side. The plate/pcb supports pcb mount so I don't know why I'm having such a difficult time with this. I think I'm gonna have to clip all the bottoms to make it work :(
Edit: I didn't have to clip the little plastic pegs when I did my previous b.mini but it seems like the cherry pegs are slightly thinner than the zealios ones.
Give the legs a bit of a squeeze (2x, half rotates) with some needle nose pliers. Winkeyless PCBs have a very slightly smaller diameter to make Cherry PCB mount feel "tighter". It'll fit in easier after you squeeze the legs.
Post by: tripandfall426 on Wed, 30 November 2016, 17:26:06
I'm trying to my my 78g R4 zealios on my b.mini kit from winkeyless and I can't get them to sit flush with the face plate. It seems like the only way to have them sit perfect is by clipping the little pegs on the bottom on the left and right side. The plate/pcb supports pcb mount so I don't know why I'm having such a difficult time with this. I think I'm gonna have to clip all the bottoms to make it work :(
Edit: I didn't have to clip the little plastic pegs when I did my previous b.mini but it seems like the cherry pegs are slightly thinner than the zealios ones.
Give the legs a bit of a squeeze (2x, half rotates) with some needle nose pliers. Winkeyless PCBs have a very slightly smaller diameter to make Cherry PCB mount feel "tighter". It'll fit in easier after you squeeze the legs.
oh jeez I wish I would've waited a little longer, I already clipped half of them. It's okay though because winkeyless boards support both pcb and plate mount.
Post by: tripandfall426 on Wed, 30 November 2016, 20:20:35
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Post by: Owntrolf on Thu, 01 December 2016, 00:28:48
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 01 December 2016, 00:37:25
Are the R4 the ones with the darker stems
That's the new 78g Zealio stem colour. Each Zealio stem has a different shade of purple from light to dark, which corresponds to their respective light to heavy weight.
Post by: yookwh on Thu, 01 December 2016, 00:54:48
Post by: Dominathan on Thu, 01 December 2016, 02:29:50
Post by: FioraCorp on Thu, 01 December 2016, 12:51:52
Hey everyone, I'm kicking myself for not ordering more switches than I would want for just one keyboard and was wondering if anyone here had any extra 78g R4 (I'm guessing Zeal does not have any more). If you are in the U.S. and have extras, feel free to PM me ;)AFAI understand, Zeal should have extra 78gs for sale at the retail price of $1 each once the GB has been taken care of. Forgive me if I have misspoke.
Post by: forevermadrigal on Thu, 01 December 2016, 13:07:12
Sold out already.Hey everyone, I'm kicking myself for not ordering more switches than I would want for just one keyboard and was wondering if anyone here had any extra 78g R4 (I'm guessing Zeal does not have any more). If you are in the U.S. and have extras, feel free to PM me ;)AFAI understand, Zeal should have extra 78gs for sale at the retail price of $1 each once the GB has been taken care of. Forgive me if I have misspoke.
Post by: Dominathan on Thu, 01 December 2016, 15:40:31
Sold out already.
Oh no! Curse our constant recommending of Zeals! They're too popular now!!
Post by: loud_asian on Thu, 01 December 2016, 16:20:46
Are the PCBs on their way?!
Zeal mentioned that the pcbs shipped out today and will be delivered tomorrow on discord
Post by: forevermadrigal on Thu, 01 December 2016, 17:02:15
Post by: toads on Thu, 01 December 2016, 19:42:21
Thanks.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 01 December 2016, 20:10:36
Is there a force chart anywhere for the new R4 78g switches?
Thanks.
Force charts have never been provided with Zealios. There are a few reasons behind that and I won't go into specifics, but Gateron has requested to keep them private. Just for your own reference, force charts published by Cherry, Gateron, Kailh, etc have always been "for reference only" and never accurately reflected the actual curves.
Post by: toads on Thu, 01 December 2016, 20:18:55
Is there a force chart anywhere for the new R4 78g switches?
Thanks.
Force charts have never been provided with Zealios. There are a few reasons behind that and I won't go into specifics, but Gateron has requested to keep them private. Just for your own reference, force charts published by Cherry, Gateron, Kailh, etc have always been "for reference only" and never accurately reflected the actual curves.
Got it, thank you!
I ordered 100 78g switches sometime this week. Hoping they'll be like clears with the heavy bottom out and just a tad lighter while being smoother.
Post by: Spazturtle on Thu, 01 December 2016, 20:31:04
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Thu, 01 December 2016, 20:38:38
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 01 December 2016, 21:02:37
Will the be another round of Zealencios? And if so when do you think that might be?
Along with R5 Zealios, GB will probably open around the later half of December.
Dem other packages come in? I've all but lost hope of being able to build my board this weekend. :'(
Only a partial shipment came in... 5 of 13 boxes. The remaining 8 should come in tomorrow, along with Zeal60 PCBs.
Post by: ohFortuna on Fri, 02 December 2016, 03:08:34
Any idea on if when another round of the switches or zealencios might occur? Or am I relegated to checking the market for the foreseeable future?
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Fri, 02 December 2016, 03:17:54
also, any word in the wind about a zeal tkl pcb?
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 02 December 2016, 03:58:58
welp, my bad for not checking, but the zealencios wont fit with 4 pin rgb leds. should i even attempt to cut/shave/otherwise maul my way to maybe possibly making it fit?
also, any word in the wind about a zeal tkl pcb?
You can definitely try hacking away at the LED slot to make room, but as with any mod, no guarantees offered. The clips will still remain clipped on, as they are mounted on the sides.
Zeal TKL PCB...maybe. No preliminary plans or drawings yet.
Post by: shangrila500 on Fri, 02 December 2016, 20:10:43
Will the be another round of Zealencios? And if so when do you think that might be?
Along with R5 Zealios, GB will probably open around the later half of December.Dem other packages come in? I've all but lost hope of being able to build my board this weekend. :'(
Only a partial shipment came in... 5 of 13 boxes. The remaining 8 should come in tomorrow, along with Zeal60 PCBs.
Did the rest of the shipment come in today or did the shipping company mess up again?
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 02 December 2016, 20:30:32
Will the be another round of Zealencios? And if so when do you think that might be?
Along with R5 Zealios, GB will probably open around the later half of December.Dem other packages come in? I've all but lost hope of being able to build my board this weekend. :'(
Only a partial shipment came in... 5 of 13 boxes. The remaining 8 should come in tomorrow, along with Zeal60 PCBs.
Did the rest of the shipment come in today or did the shipping company mess up again?
Only 2 parcels made it out of LAX Airport to BC. It's been out for delivery since noon, not sure if they will deliver past business hours. So...if they don't arrive, then we can expect the 8 parcels for Monday.
The Zeal60 PCBs were shipped via UPS and ended up getting delayed in customs...Delivery for Monday.
*sigh peak season.
I also have a small update for everyone that ordered the transparent screw-in stabilizers. Not sure what happened from samples to final production, but the screws are a few fractions of a mm too wide to fit into the nuts. I've contacted Gateron yesterday about the issue and they'll be working on sending out replacement screws asap. Sorry for the delay everyone. :(
Post by: Malenky on Fri, 02 December 2016, 20:33:08
Post by: AceRuckus on Fri, 02 December 2016, 20:34:13
Will the be another round of Zealencios? And if so when do you think that might be?
Along with R5 Zealios, GB will probably open around the later half of December.Dem other packages come in? I've all but lost hope of being able to build my board this weekend. :'(
Only a partial shipment came in... 5 of 13 boxes. The remaining 8 should come in tomorrow, along with Zeal60 PCBs.
Did the rest of the shipment come in today or did the shipping company mess up again?
Only 2 parcels made it out of LAX Airport to BC. It's been out for delivery since noon, not sure if they will deliver past business hours. So...if they don't arrive, then we can expect the 8 parcels for Monday.
The Zeal60 PCBs were shipped via UPS and ended up getting delayed in customs...Delivery for Monday.
*sigh peak season.
I also have a small update for everyone that ordered the transparent screw-in stabilizers. Not sure what happened from samples to final production, but the screws are a few fractions of a mm too wide to fit into the nuts. I've contacted Gateron yesterday about the issue and they'll be working on sending out replacement screws asap. Sorry for the delay everyone. :(
Can't wait zeal! Thanks for a great gb!
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Post by: forevermadrigal on Fri, 02 December 2016, 20:35:09
Post by: clappingcactus on Fri, 02 December 2016, 21:08:26
I also have a small update for everyone that ordered the transparent screw-in stabilizers. Not sure what happened from samples to final production, but the screws are a few fractions of a mm too wide to fit into the nuts. I've contacted Gateron yesterday about the issue and they'll be working on sending out replacement screws asap. Sorry for the delay everyone. :(
Hey Zeal,
Guessing this also affects the massdrop orders?
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 02 December 2016, 21:15:28
I also have a small update for everyone that ordered the transparent screw-in stabilizers. Not sure what happened from samples to final production, but the screws are a few fractions of a mm too wide to fit into the nuts. I've contacted Gateron yesterday about the issue and they'll be working on sending out replacement screws asap. Sorry for the delay everyone. :(
Hey Zeal,
Guessing this also affects the massdrop orders?
Yes. But replacement screws shouldn't take long to have re-made and sent out. Most likely won't affect the MD fulfillment date.
Post by: itskuroi on Fri, 02 December 2016, 21:28:04
Sucks for everyone waiting for their switches, luckily for me I'm waiting for my board to come so the wait isn't that bad :thumb:
i'm waiting on literally everything haha. switches, stabs, pcb, lustro, zealencios, lube. IT'S GONNA BE SO HYPE WHEN THEY ALL SHIP OUT
Post by: jessica on Fri, 02 December 2016, 22:25:31
Will the be another round of Zealencios? And if so when do you think that might be?
Along with R5 Zealios, GB will probably open around the later half of December.Dem other packages come in? I've all but lost hope of being able to build my board this weekend. :'(
Only a partial shipment came in... 5 of 13 boxes. The remaining 8 should come in tomorrow, along with Zeal60 PCBs.
Did the rest of the shipment come in today or did the shipping company mess up again?
Only 2 parcels made it out of LAX Airport to BC. It's been out for delivery since noon, not sure if they will deliver past business hours. So...if they don't arrive, then we can expect the 8 parcels for Monday.
The Zeal60 PCBs were shipped via UPS and ended up getting delayed in customs...Delivery for Monday.
*sigh peak season.
I also have a small update for everyone that ordered the transparent screw-in stabilizers. Not sure what happened from samples to final production, but the screws are a few fractions of a mm too wide to fit into the nuts. I've contacted Gateron yesterday about the issue and they'll be working on sending out replacement screws asap. Sorry for the delay everyone. :(
Wow, this GB just can't catch a break...
Post by: yookwh on Sat, 03 December 2016, 12:30:07
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 03 December 2016, 14:18:50
Hey Zeal, what is the situation of the transparent gold plated stabalizers? I saw them go live on MassDrop to be delivered by January, but if I were to order through your website, when can I expect to get them?
You'll definitely receive your stabs earlier than Massdrop will start shipping out.
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Sat, 03 December 2016, 14:33:57
Post by: loud_asian on Sat, 03 December 2016, 14:48:53
So, if we had combo orders with the stabs, the entire order will be held up until the screws arrive?
appears so
Post by: Aperture_Sci on Sat, 03 December 2016, 15:08:25
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 03 December 2016, 15:13:16
So, if we had combo orders with the stabs, the entire order will be held up until the screws arrive?
Yes, but replacement screws won't take long. Gateron will be sending out replacement screws next week, and I should be receiving them same week if all goes to plan.
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Sat, 03 December 2016, 15:33:42
So, if we had combo orders with the stabs, the entire order will be held up until the screws arrive?
Yes, but replacement screws won't take long. Gateron will be sending out replacement screws next week, and I should be receiving them same week if all goes to plan.
Oh, that's not bad at all. Not like I would've been doing a build in the middle of the week anyways.
Post by: Dominathan on Tue, 06 December 2016, 00:41:29
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 06 December 2016, 00:53:04
Did all the good stuff come?!
40 of the PCBs in today, rest tomorrow (customs delay, go figure). Need to test/flash a stock poker layout on each one. Wilba is finalizing the firmware and app tester for that.
DHL ended up delivering the 2 boxes from Friday on Saturday. Remaining 6 are still at LAX and didn't move.
Still packing/shipping orders as we speak.
Post by: jessica on Tue, 06 December 2016, 01:10:15
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 06 December 2016, 01:16:09
Quick snap of the final product PCB.
Post by: forevermadrigal on Tue, 06 December 2016, 01:33:39
It's so pretty.. :pShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ybi4QAB.jpg)
Quick snap of the final product PCB.
Post by: jessica on Tue, 06 December 2016, 01:35:45
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ybi4QAB.jpg)
Quick snap of the final product PCB.
Gawdamn. 10/10 want.
Post by: Dominathan on Tue, 06 December 2016, 02:59:15
Post by: JDragon on Tue, 06 December 2016, 03:14:47
Hoping there will be future PCBs in additional form factors with RGB SMD LEDs. I see another 60% on AliExpress but it looks nowhere near as good as this one. Would be cool to have 65%, 75%, and TKL options.
Post by: Cerasis on Tue, 06 December 2016, 03:24:21
Did all the good stuff come?!
40 of the PCBs in today, rest tomorrow (customs delay, go figure). Need to test/flash a stock poker layout on each one. Wilba is finalizing the firmware and app tester for that.
DHL ended up delivering the 2 boxes from Friday on Saturday. Remaining 6 are still at LAX and didn't move.
Still packing/shipping orders as we speak.
aw man more delays :(
I'm itching to finish my keyboard already, i'm just hoping there's enough 67g from those boxes to reach my order.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 06 December 2016, 05:11:47
Any word on the stab screws?
Not yet. Like I said last week, it shouldn't take long. Not as fast as ready over the weekend.... :P
Post by: LogicLoop on Tue, 06 December 2016, 10:44:50
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 06 December 2016, 11:48:41
Hi Zeal. My order number is 5013, it's been painful watching people far beyond that number having their orders shipped out. From what I gather in this thread mine is delayed because it consists entirely of 67g and 78g switches, which ran out rapidly and required a second shipment from Gateron. Can you give me any indication of when I could expect my switches to ship? Thanks Zeal.
Currently packing orders near your order range. You should receive shipping notification this week. Remaining Gateron shipment is scheduled to come in today so there won't be any shortages anymore.
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For everyone else wondering, please just sit tight for a bit longer. I've been receiving multiple emails daily about order status and it really does slow me down when answering those emails. I always fulfill the earliest order possible so please don't think I forgot about your order. The whole situation has just been a bit awkward due to the shipments coming in so far apart, which resulted in me fulfilling orders ahead of others due to them being temporarily skipped.
Post by: LogicLoop on Tue, 06 December 2016, 11:56:06
Hi Zeal. My order number is 5013, it's been painful watching people far beyond that number having their orders shipped out. From what I gather in this thread mine is delayed because it consists entirely of 67g and 78g switches, which ran out rapidly and required a second shipment from Gateron. Can you give me any indication of when I could expect my switches to ship? Thanks Zeal.
Currently packing orders near your order range. You should receive shipping notification this week. Remaining Gateron shipment is scheduled to come in today so there won't be any shortages anymore.
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For everyone else wondering, please just sit tight for a bit longer. I've been receiving multiple emails daily about order status and it really does slow me down when answering those emails. I always fulfill the earliest order possible so please don't think I forgot about your order. The whole situation has just been a bit awkward due to the shipments coming in so far apart, which resulted in me fulfilling orders ahead of others due to them being temporarily skipped.
Thanks for the feedback. I was in two minds about posting yet another "My order# is ****, where's my stuff?" message. I was taken aback by other people getting their orders with a later order number. Wasn't sure if I'd grasped the 'second shipment' point. Thanks for confirming, sorry for slowing you down. :thumb:
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 06 December 2016, 13:33:49
Anybody seeing the same?
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 06 December 2016, 13:51:23
So I've been using the Zealencios about a week noe, and I have problems using them with GMK caps. It seems like the amount of force and/or the direction needed to get the switches to actuate has changed, so now when I press a keyboard combination, half the time I end up just typing the letter in the combo instead. Like instead of copying a piece of code, I end up replacing it with the letter "c".
Anybody seeing the same?
I haven't had such issue...I can say that Zealencios do reduce the required travel for actuation a tiny bit due to the clip touching the stem, depressing it slightly. Similar to silencing a Topre board.
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 07 December 2016, 03:18:27
I'm not throwing them off, I can get used to this, but it is a thing to consider.
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 07 December 2016, 05:10:05
I just ask because I ordered some parts with the intention of putting together a board for a family member and I can see there are people who are hundreds or orders ahead of me still to be fulfilled
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 07 December 2016, 05:20:44
Post by: pomk on Wed, 07 December 2016, 05:50:04
BTW, I can confirm these should work fine with SA, at least R3 - and since R3 is the lowest one, that should mean it's fine for all profiles.Do they dampen the down stroke on SA?
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 07 December 2016, 05:58:46
Zeal, is it realistic that the orders will all go out before Christmas?
I just ask because I ordered some parts with the intention of putting together a board for a family member and I can see there are people who are hundreds or orders ahead of me still to be fulfilled
Goal is definitely to have everything out before Christmas.
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 07 December 2016, 06:17:48
Awesome thanks ZealZeal, is it realistic that the orders will all go out before Christmas?
I just ask because I ordered some parts with the intention of putting together a board for a family member and I can see there are people who are hundreds or orders ahead of me still to be fulfilled
Goal is definitely to have everything out before Christmas.
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Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 07 December 2016, 06:53:35
Of course, why wouldn't it?BTW, I can confirm these should work fine with SA, at least R3 - and since R3 is the lowest one, that should mean it's fine for all profiles.Do they dampen the down stroke on SA?
Post by: pomk on Wed, 07 December 2016, 07:22:14
Because the rubber at the top of the zealencio has nothing bumping against it as the stem on the cap is quite tall? Just try to press switches with and without these in place, and if they depress to the same depth, then nothing is in contact with the top of the zealencio. The upstroke is of course dampened, as that is due to the contact with the stem of the switch and does not rely on a cap being there.Of course, why wouldn't it?BTW, I can confirm these should work fine with SA, at least R3 - and since R3 is the lowest one, that should mean it's fine for all profiles.Do they dampen the down stroke on SA?
I might be just very confused on what in the zealencio is supposed to silence the down stroke.
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 07 December 2016, 12:28:34
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 07 December 2016, 12:49:05
I went over a few mods I've had special problems with, and found that the zealencios weren't quite tight and followed the caps up a bit on the upstroke. That was at the end of the workday, so I don't know if it helped much, but my gut says this might have been the problem. I could definitely feel a difference before and after re-tightening. Also, I noticed a "click" when reseating them that I didn't know I should have been listening for - I usually wear headphones...
You're supposed to make sure each clip clicks twice. The Zealencio clips are super tightly fit once properly mounted, so you may have not properly installed them on the mods.
Post by: tofgerl on Thu, 08 December 2016, 11:00:15
Post by: TSUT0 on Thu, 08 December 2016, 11:04:29
You should consider an instructional video :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dt7evMlncU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dt7evMlncU)
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Thu, 08 December 2016, 15:13:45
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 08 December 2016, 17:13:08
So, up against a bit of a time constraints because I leave for winter break on 12/16. Is it looking like I should swap shilling addresses due to stab screws?
Please reply to your order confirmation email and provide me with your updated address. Sorry about the delay. :(
Post by: Atredl on Thu, 08 December 2016, 17:47:59
So, up against a bit of a time constraints because I leave for winter break on 12/16. Is it looking like I should swap shilling addresses due to stab screws?
You should always change your shilling address, or else the haters will come for you.
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Thu, 08 December 2016, 18:40:52
So, up against a bit of a time constraints because I leave for winter break on 12/16. Is it looking like I should swap shilling addresses due to stab screws?
You should always change your shilling address, or else the haters will come for you.
This made me laugh.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 08 December 2016, 22:09:37
Replacement screws have shipped! Should receive them Monday, or Tuesday latest.
Ended up facing another small minor issue...Somehow my site oversold a few hundred Zealios for 62g (and possibly other weights which I cannot confirm yet). It may have been a mistake on the packing end, not receiving enough switches, or minor glitch while managing order quantity/weight changes/etc. It shouldn't affect the majority of customers, just a very small minority of last minute orders. I usually keep a 100-200x switch buffer to prevent these kind of scenarios from happening, but the bulk of the switches sold faster than anticipated.
I'll be arranging a small "R4.5" order with Gateron to fix this. May open up orders later, once confirming a few details with Gateron & other parties. This will not interfere with fulfilling the remaining orders.
Post by: Petch on Fri, 09 December 2016, 03:58:03
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 09 December 2016, 11:59:29
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 09 December 2016, 12:19:36
How much is there still left to ship? I'm early 56XX with 67s, 78s, lube, stabs and zealencios :D
I'd say we're about 40-50% there...Everything has just been held back due to the stabs.
Post by: johntron25 on Fri, 09 December 2016, 12:34:53
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 09 December 2016, 13:42:11
55** here, I only ordered 78g switches and some lube. any ETA?
Should be in the batch waiting to be printed.
Post by: johntron25 on Fri, 09 December 2016, 13:53:43
55** here, I only ordered 78g switches and some lube. any ETA?
Should be in the batch waiting to be printed.
Thanks Zeal!
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Fri, 09 December 2016, 14:57:06
Quick update:
Replacement screws have shipped! Should receive them Monday, or Tuesday latest.
Ended up facing another small minor issue...Somehow my site oversold a few hundred Zealios for 62g (and possibly other weights which I cannot confirm yet). It may have been a mistake on the packing end, not receiving enough switches, or minor glitch while managing order quantity/weight changes/etc. It shouldn't affect the majority of customers, just a very small minority of last minute orders. I usually keep a 100-200x switch buffer to prevent these kind of scenarios from happening, but the bulk of the switches sold faster than anticipated.
I'll be arranging a small "R4.5" order with Gateron to fix this. May open up orders later, once confirming a few details with Gateron & other parties. This will not interfere with fulfilling the remaining orders.
If this is suggesting another opportunity for people to buy more switches... I'd certainly be interested in getting more as some great boards have dropped recently that I wasn't expecting. :p
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 09 December 2016, 15:34:37
Quick update:
Replacement screws have shipped! Should receive them Monday, or Tuesday latest.
Ended up facing another small minor issue...Somehow my site oversold a few hundred Zealios for 62g (and possibly other weights which I cannot confirm yet). It may have been a mistake on the packing end, not receiving enough switches, or minor glitch while managing order quantity/weight changes/etc. It shouldn't affect the majority of customers, just a very small minority of last minute orders. I usually keep a 100-200x switch buffer to prevent these kind of scenarios from happening, but the bulk of the switches sold faster than anticipated.
I'll be arranging a small "R4.5" order with Gateron to fix this. May open up orders later, once confirming a few details with Gateron & other parties. This will not interfere with fulfilling the remaining orders.
If this is suggesting another opportunity for people to buy more switches... I'd certainly be interested in getting more as some great boards have dropped recently that I wasn't expecting. :p
Yeah. I'll probably prep up the listing over the weekend. Just waiting on some few more confirmations.
P.S. It's been snowing this week in Richmond, BC so shipments via DHL seem to have been getting delayed by a day or so due to poor weather. You may notice your tracking showing "Shipment on Hold - Due to adverse weather conditions, the shipment could not be delivered". If you see that in the afternoon/evening, then it means the shipment will most likely move the next day.
Post by: JDragon on Fri, 09 December 2016, 15:44:45
Post by: itskuroi on Fri, 09 December 2016, 16:12:58
Have you received the Lustro/Weaven NA orders by any chance?
This is how I'm able to be so patient, because I know that Zeal will have all of my stuff ready before Lustro should ever arrive to him haha
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 09 December 2016, 21:20:49
Have you received the Lustro/Weaven NA orders by any chance?
No, nothing so far. Will pm pear about any updates he may have.
Post by: lifestronaut on Fri, 09 December 2016, 23:17:31
So it looks like things are moving pretty quick.
Thanks Zeal, looking forward to getting them and not using them till Lunaris runs the next ZZ96 order.
Post by: fanman888 on Sat, 10 December 2016, 07:17:27
54** shipping notification this morning.
So it looks like things are moving pretty quick.
Thanks Zeal, looking forward to getting them and not using them till Lunaris runs the next ZZ96 order.
Did you have stabs in your order?
Post by: fanman888 on Sat, 10 December 2016, 07:52:40
So, up against a bit of a time constraints because I leave for winter break on 12/16. Is it looking like I should swap shilling addresses due to stab screws?
Please reply to your order confirmation email and provide me with your updated address. Sorry about the delay. :(
Same situation for me. Sending email.
Post by: dante on Sun, 11 December 2016, 10:48:29
If you added Zealencio silencing adapters AND O-rings to help reduce travel which of the switch weights would be most similar to scissor switches? This means which spring is going to give you the most brief but strong tactile bite as high as possible in the travel? The Zealencio will trim a little distance up top with the O-Ring handling a lot on the bottom. The important part I think is that the tactility needs to be high enough because a thick O-ring will probably interfere if it's too low.
Please answer that one first. After that do you think Jailhouse Aristotle Zealios might be a better mouse trap for this mission?
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sun, 11 December 2016, 11:10:05
I've got a question; one that I ask for you to use your imagination.
If you added Zealencio silencing adapters AND O-rings to help reduce travel which of the switch weights would be most similar to scissor switches? This means which spring is going to give you the most brief but strong tactile bite as high as possible in the travel? The Zealencio will trim a little distance up top with the O-Ring handling a lot on the bottom. The important part I think is that the tactility needs to be high enough because a thick O-ring will probably interfere if it's too low.
Please answer that one first. After that do you think Jailhouse Aristotle Zealios might be a better mouse trap for this mission?
I'd guess 67g since the tactile point feels the highest and scissor switches have the tactility right at the top of the stroke. But if you already go that far I'd use a plastic washer instead of a o-ring to make it not feel insanely mushy, the downstroke is already silenced through the Zealencio. Still, it will never really feel like scissor switches, in fact I'd guess it will feel a lot worse and would require a lot of fine tuning to make the bottom-out a 100% certain actuation without increasing the travel to non scissor switch levels.
To the second one, I guess Jailhouse mods on Blue/Green stems would do the trick just as well as Aristotle stems without costing a fortune. If you take away the insanely clean click the Aristotle loses its charme imho.
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 11 December 2016, 11:28:52
I've got a question; one that I ask for you to use your imagination.
If you added Zealencio silencing adapters AND O-rings to help reduce travel which of the switch weights would be most similar to scissor switches? This means which spring is going to give you the most brief but strong tactile bite as high as possible in the travel? The Zealencio will trim a little distance up top with the O-Ring handling a lot on the bottom. The important part I think is that the tactility needs to be high enough because a thick O-ring will probably interfere if it's too low.
Please answer that one first. After that do you think Jailhouse Aristotle Zealios might be a better mouse trap for this mission?
67g would be the one I'd pick up for such a mod.
But to reduce the bottom out to the point where it's literally right at the tactile bump, you might have to incorporate adding one or two of those imsto rubber balls into the center pole, Zealencios, and thick o-rings. There will still be pre-travel of less than 2mm though, so not sure how you plan on removing that.
You can't really jailhouse an Aristotle stem the same way as MX blues/greens. The click piece has a guiding rail/slider that runs on the interior of the stem slider...Maybe if you can think of a way to glue the slider at its most extended position, then maybe?
Post by: lifestronaut on Sun, 11 December 2016, 14:47:22
54** shipping notification this morning.
So it looks like things are moving pretty quick.
Thanks Zeal, looking forward to getting them and not using them till Lunaris runs the next ZZ96 order.
Did you have stabs in your order?
No stabs, just 78G switches.
Post by: Cerasis on Sun, 11 December 2016, 15:31:31
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sun, 11 December 2016, 15:38:04
Any updates on 52xx orders? I haven't gotten my tracking info yet. :(
If you read above, depending on what you ordered there have been delays. Just be patient.
Post by: boo on Sun, 11 December 2016, 20:50:38
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Post by: Slash Emperor on Sun, 11 December 2016, 21:31:04
Any updates on 52xx orders? I haven't gotten my tracking info yet. :(
If it makes you feel any better, numbers-wise, mine is 45xx and hasn't shipped yet, though I know it's waiting on the PCB and replacement screws.
Post by: q1w2e3r4t5z on Mon, 12 December 2016, 03:11:27
Post by: Owntrolf on Mon, 12 December 2016, 20:05:01
Post by: Maybee on Mon, 12 December 2016, 20:23:06
Hope you guys get your stuff soon!
Post by: Slash Emperor on Mon, 12 December 2016, 21:42:16
My order number is 49XX and shipped, I think it depends on what you ordered (just switches or stabs on top etc.)
Oh, I know. I picked up some of everything, so I know I'm going to be in the last of the shipments for R4. Just thought it was funny since I have a low order number in this round, but I understand why it's so. Half my kit stuff that I'm pairing my R4 order with isn't in yet anyways, so it's all good.
Post by: dakisback on Tue, 13 December 2016, 09:11:22
Thanks Zeal
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 13 December 2016, 11:04:06
Have you received the replacement screws from gateron? I'm hoping to get the PCB, stabilizers, and switches before Christmas. :)
Thanks Zeal
He'll post in the thread when he gets them. Zeal is really good about providing updates.
Post by: MandrewDavis on Tue, 13 December 2016, 11:13:57
Have you received the replacement screws from gateron? I'm hoping to get the PCB, stabilizers, and switches before Christmas. :)
Thanks Zeal
He'll post in the thread when he gets them. Zeal is really good about providing updates.
BUT, I WANT IT NOWWW!!!! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzr12gBrXA8&user=BaronOfBayonne)
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 13 December 2016, 11:14:03
Have you received the replacement screws from gateron? I'm hoping to get the PCB, stabilizers, and switches before Christmas. :)
Thanks Zeal
It's holiday season right now, so even DHL deliveries are taking an extra day now. Screws are scheduled for delivery today, looking to send out everyone's order before Christmas still!
Post by: Cotay on Tue, 13 December 2016, 16:55:17
Post by: katushkin on Tue, 13 December 2016, 16:59:19
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 13 December 2016, 18:12:29
Fingers crossed Royal Mail aren't **** this Christmas
But you checked out with DHL shipping. :))
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Update on screws. I had two packages that was supposed to come in via DHL, and only one of them came. Unfortunately they weren't the screws. I sent an email asking my account manager if he could push a second delivery run out in the afternoon, so we'll have to see...
Unfortunately that means they'll come in tomorrow if not this afternoon. :( Sorry about the delay folks, holiday season has all couriers/post overworked.
In addition, PCB only orders should start going out tomorrow.
Post by: katushkin on Tue, 13 December 2016, 18:14:17
Fingers crossed Royal Mail aren't **** this Christmas
But you checked out with DHL shipping. :))
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Update on screws. I had two packages that was supposed to come in via DHL, and only one of them came. Unfortunately they weren't the screws. I sent an email asking my account manager if he could push a second delivery run out in the afternoon, so we'll have to see...
Unfortunately that means they'll come in tomorrow if not this afternoon. :( Sorry about the delay folks, holiday season has all couriers/post overworked.
Hmmmmm. Well who knows how long that will take OuO
Post by: Stevec on Tue, 13 December 2016, 18:39:23
Post by: Dominathan on Tue, 13 December 2016, 20:54:49
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 13 December 2016, 21:01:55
Did you receive all of the PCBs? Last I remember, you only had 40 of them.
Yes, all PCBs are received and majority have been flashed. Working on the "read me" paper that will be included with all PCBs.
Post by: fanman888 on Tue, 13 December 2016, 22:08:59
Fingers crossed Royal Mail aren't **** this Christmas
But you checked out with DHL shipping. :))
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Update on screws. I had two packages that was supposed to come in via DHL, and only one of them came. Unfortunately they weren't the screws. I sent an email asking my account manager if he could push a second delivery run out in the afternoon, so we'll have to see...
Unfortunately that means they'll come in tomorrow if not this afternoon. :( Sorry about the delay folks, holiday season has all couriers/post overworked.
In addition, PCB only orders should start going out tomorrow.
Thanks for the update! Glad I was able to contact you to change delivery address so I know my package won't be returned by Canada Post. My TriC & VE.A builds will just have to wait until after Christmas.
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Tue, 13 December 2016, 22:12:00
Post by: dakisback on Tue, 13 December 2016, 22:17:11
Have you received the replacement screws from gateron? I'm hoping to get the PCB, stabilizers, and switches before Christmas. :)
Thanks Zeal
It's holiday season right now, so even DHL deliveries are taking an extra day now. Screws are scheduled for delivery today, looking to send out everyone's order before Christmas still!
Thank you for the update! I'm anxiously waiting. I unfortunately lost my 60% in my backpack last week and am using an old Corsair K90 :(. I am so excited to build my first board from parts using all Zeal components(cept case and caps.)
Post by: BlackInk on Tue, 13 December 2016, 23:07:42
thanks
Post by: Cerasis on Tue, 13 December 2016, 23:14:33
Finally can get that build finished before christmas!
Post by: johntron25 on Wed, 14 December 2016, 00:10:02
Post by: olieatstofu on Wed, 14 December 2016, 00:41:50
Fingers crossed Royal Mail aren't **** this Christmas
I have my zeals, and planck on the way via royal mail, I feel your pain.
I have actually spared some money to pay for the ridiculous custom charges that await me :mad:
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 14 December 2016, 00:54:01
Fingers crossed Royal Mail aren't **** this Christmas
I have my zeals, and planck on the way via royal mail, I feel your pain.
I have actually spared some money to pay for the ridiculous custom charges that await me :mad:
Unless Zeal changed something about his shipping without telling us you'll only have to pay ridiculous customs charges for the Planck. I mean, you are only ordering pushbutton switches right ;) ?
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 14 December 2016, 15:20:06
Are those stabs wires made from 18k gold or 24k gold?
thanks
None. If the stab wires were made of 18k or 24k gold, they wouldn't be $30+ a piece. Probably 10x+ that price :))
On that note, they're 24k gold plated. They have been tested in Chemical baths and do not tarnish/discolor/react to finger oils. That said, all stab wires are carefully hand packed with microfiber gloves.
Post by: lifestronaut on Wed, 14 December 2016, 16:11:07
I have had my order shipped through Canada Post, any idea how long it will take to reach Australia?
The Canada Post site essentially states two options, 6-10 days or 2-3 Months.
Just wondering if I should curb my enthusiasm or get hyped?
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 14 December 2016, 16:13:26
Just a quick one Zeal.
I have had my order shipped through Canada Post, any idea how long it will take to reach Australia?
The Canada Post site essentially states two options, 6-10 days or 2-3 Months.
Just wondering if I should curb my enthusiasm or get hyped?
Small Packet int'l is the one I offer, which takes 6-10 business days.
Post by: Data on Wed, 14 December 2016, 16:40:33
Post by: lifestronaut on Wed, 14 December 2016, 17:57:58
Just a quick one Zeal.
I have had my order shipped through Canada Post, any idea how long it will take to reach Australia?
The Canada Post site essentially states two options, 6-10 days or 2-3 Months.
Just wondering if I should curb my enthusiasm or get hyped?
Small Packet int'l is the one I offer, which takes 6-10 business days.
In that case, looks like it's time to get hyped!
Thanks Zeal.
Looking forward to further purchases from you in the future.
Post by: Neo.X on Wed, 14 December 2016, 18:51:21
Post by: Aperture_Sci on Wed, 14 December 2016, 21:31:57
Post by: rawrjau on Wed, 14 December 2016, 21:40:02
Ugh...I know it's not Zeal's fault but getting salty, I just want my stuff. :( Order #55XX RIP.
#4540 But I am a patient person =D
Post by: Slash Emperor on Wed, 14 December 2016, 21:56:51
Ugh...I know it's not Zeal's fault but getting salty, I just want my stuff. :( Order #55XX RIP.
#4540 But I am a patient person =D
4531. Brother!
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 14 December 2016, 22:59:00
As a thank you for being patient and waiting for your PCBs to arrive, all Zeal60 PCB orders will include a free small bag of 6 or so M2x4mm screws for your aftermarket aluminum case and maximum #swag/bling factor (already tested on Duck/FMJ boards and they fit 100% without issue). Please note, these screws are not interchangeable with the M2x4mm screws that come with your screw-in stabilizers!!
(https://puu.sh/sQ1AD/24997b0e2e.jpg)
In the event someone wanted to buy extra, they are up for sale here:
https://zealpc.net/products/gold-plated-m2x4mm-screws-for-60-poker-style-cases
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 14 December 2016, 23:23:58
I am #4674 and haven't had a shipping confirmation yet :'(
Post by: nugglets on Thu, 15 December 2016, 00:12:04
I was literally the first person to order and have no shipping confirmation ;) But I understand that it's not Zeal's fault and that he's getting things out as fast as he can.
Post by: Brammm87 on Thu, 15 December 2016, 02:08:43
As a thank you for being patient and waiting for your PCBs to arrive, all Zeal60 PCB orders will include a free small bag of 6 or so M2x4mm screws for your aftermarket aluminum caseYay!
Post by: Dominathan on Thu, 15 December 2016, 02:12:42
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Thu, 15 December 2016, 02:17:49
Post by: loud_asian on Thu, 15 December 2016, 07:11:01
Didn't get a PCB but might have to pick some of those hotness up for the incoming viper.
I don't think these will work for the new style of case that the v2 is using. I think you might be able to use these with the v1
Post by: ReverbSlush on Thu, 15 December 2016, 07:47:27
Any instruction on how to use that sharp tool for the silencing clips?
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 15 December 2016, 07:50:34
Didn't get a PCB but might have to pick some of those hotness up for the incoming viper.
I don't think these will work for the new style of case that the v2 is using. I think you might be able to use these with the v1
Correct, the USB port does not line up (not even close, since the viper/eagle is using a centered USB). It also won't work with v1, since that one used a PCB with cutouts for the blockers since it was made like the standard drop-in 60%'s. Maybe it is possible to figure something out with the USB port for the v2 (breakout board or fixed cable maybe?) but it smells like a PITA.
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Thu, 15 December 2016, 08:38:43
Didn't get a PCB but might have to pick some of those hotness up for the incoming viper.
I don't think these will work for the new style of case that the v2 is using. I think you might be able to use these with the v1
Correct, the USB port does not line up (not even close, since the viper/eagle is using a centered USB). It also won't work with v1, since that one used a PCB with cutouts for the blockers since it was made like the standard drop-in 60%'s. Maybe it is possible to figure something out with the USB port for the v2 (breakout board or fixed cable maybe?) but it smells like a PITA.
Seems to have just been misunderstood (understandable) that I was only talking about the screws, I didn't order a PCB. I'm not sure if the first person was saying the screws wouldn't work or if was referring to PCB, which yes USB would provide an obstacle.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 15 December 2016, 08:58:25
Didn't get a PCB but might have to pick some of those hotness up for the incoming viper.
I don't think these will work for the new style of case that the v2 is using. I think you might be able to use these with the v1
Correct, the USB port does not line up (not even close, since the viper/eagle is using a centered USB). It also won't work with v1, since that one used a PCB with cutouts for the blockers since it was made like the standard drop-in 60%'s. Maybe it is possible to figure something out with the USB port for the v2 (breakout board or fixed cable maybe?) but it smells like a PITA.
Seems to have just been misunderstood (understandable) that I was only talking about the screws, I didn't order a PCB. I'm not sure if the first person was saying the screws wouldn't work or if was referring to PCB, which yes USB would provide an obstacle.
Oh, then I'm the idiot here, lul. The screws might work with both actually, they just wouldn't be visible at all on the v2.
Post by: loud_asian on Thu, 15 December 2016, 09:50:01
I assume that the screws in the v2 case will be longer, since there will be a top and bottom case that the screws will have to keep together
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 15 December 2016, 10:04:46
I got my order in yesterday (some 78g goodness). Thanks! I can tell I like them better than 65 already.
Any instruction on how to use that sharp tool for the silencing clips?
Not the best angle, but you should get the idea. It's pretty straight forward. :)
I was under the impression that these screws would only work on tray style cases, like the poker.
I assume that the screws in the v2 case will be longer, since there will be a top and bottom case that the screws will have to keep together
Basically any tray style case will work with the gold plated screws. If there are any 2 piece cases that use M2 for top mounting a plate, then that would work as well. (But the two piece cases I have use M3 I believe).
Viper V1, Eagle V1, Octagon V1, Lightsaver V1/V2, Duck Mini V1/V2, FMJ, Hammer, MKC, TEX, Vortex, Lustro(?), random tray cases off aliexpress/taobao, etc... should all work.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 15 December 2016, 13:31:34
https://zealpc.net/blogs/news/programming-your-zeal60-rgb-pcb
Have a look/comment/feedback! Thanks.
Post by: eeymiel on Thu, 15 December 2016, 14:10:03
JB4: Normal backspace
JB4A: Split backspace
JB14: Ansi enter
JB14A: Iso enter
JD5: Ansi enter, No iso key
JD5A: Iso key
JD7: Long (2.75?) right shift
JD7A: Short (1.75) right shift + fn key
JC0: 6.25U spacebar
JC0A: 7U spacebar
JC6: 6.25U spacebar
JC6A: 7U spacebar
JC16: Short (1.25?) left shift + iso key 2
JC16A: Long (2.25) left shift
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 15 December 2016, 14:44:36
Can you explain if I got the jumper pads correct?
JB4: Normal backspace
JB4A: Split backspace
JB14: Ansi enter
JB14A: Iso enter
JD5: Ansi enter, No iso key
JD5A: Iso key
JD7: Long (2.75?) right shift
JD7A: Short (1.75) right shift + fn key
JC0: 6.25U spacebar
JC0A: 7U spacebar
JC6: 6.25U spacebar
JC6A: 7U spacebar
JC16: Short (1.25?) left shift + iso key 2
JC16A: Long (2.25) left shift
Close..The jumpers only control the LEDs being "ON" under the key. J_/J_A corresponds to their respective L_/L_A RGB LED. The LEDs are only wired so that one or the other should be on. If both jumper pads are soldered, the two neighboring LEDs will run in parallel and be a bit dimmer. They are not stabilizer LEDs (other than spacebar), but you could experiment with the glow when paired with my transparent stabs if you're really curious.
JB4: Normal Backspace
JB4A: Split Backspace (HHKB style)
JB14: |\ (or HHKB Backspace)
JB14A: ISO Enter
JD5: ANSI Enter
JD5A: ISO key
JD7: Long 2.75 right Shift
JD7A: Short 1.75 right Shift
JC0: 6.25U Spacebar
JC0A: 7U Spacebar
JC6: 6.25U Spacebar stabilizer
JC6A: 7U Spacebar stabilizer
JC16: Short 1.25? ISO left shift
JC16A: Long ANSI 2.25 left shift
There are a few ANSI/ISO/Spacebar/FN LEDs that will be on regardless of jumper. Those can be turned off in firmware.
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 16 December 2016, 00:44:18
Post by: ambalek on Fri, 16 December 2016, 05:00:11
Also Dude, version 0.0 beta is really not the preferred nomeclature. 0.1-SNAPSHOT, please!
That's a good point, how about semver (http://semver.org/)? That's what I have to do at work anyway.
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The simplest thing to do is start your initial development release at 0.1.0 and then increment the minor version for each subsequent release.Quote
Post by: jlavador on Fri, 16 December 2016, 12:13:28
Post by: thedoormouse on Fri, 16 December 2016, 13:30:06
should we still be expecting our orders with stabs before Christmas?
SHORT ANSWER: YES
ORDER #5135
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DHL EXPRESS SHIPMENT ADVISORY
The following 1 piece(s) have been sent by Xxxxx Xxx
from Zeal PC via DHL Express on 16-Dec-2016 via waybill number XXXXXXXXXX.
Update: while writing this I received my DHL tracking information @ approximately 11:00AM PST. My order has shipped (with gold stabs and 67g switches) since I only live an hour or two away from zeal, I don't expect it to take very long to get here. Since I'm in SoCal, it's hard to say if orders to other states experiencing snow and other adverse weather might cause some others to spill over into next week
#5135 here with a bit of info that may help things make sense to some still waiting on tracking.
ORDER: 67g,65g,62g* + Gold Stabs + Cherry Stabs + GHv4 Lube + Purple UV LEDS
*Due to stock mishap 62g had to be refunded.. I did receive a coupon for 10% off my next purchase and it was only 20 switches anyway so I can live with that.
If you have 62g switches plus gold transparent stabs in your order you may be one of a unlucky few that had to weigh your options in regards to refund/shipping/etc. This is possibly what may have been holding your order up as zeal required customer feedback to proceed.
That's all I'll say regarding the "62g refund/backorder issue that currently applies to only a few shipments
In the meantime wait on zeal for an update very soon. The guy is working his ass off at the moment to get the remaining orders out from R4 as soon as humanly possible (if he hasn't finished this already by the time you read this)
Post by: MandrewDavis on Fri, 16 December 2016, 14:07:18
Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 16 December 2016, 14:17:59
ORDER #5135
Wait wut? My highest order number is 4825 and my lowest is 4667 (combined them and ordered in two parts to get my order earlier... haha) and I didn't get tracking yet. Will international/EU orders ship later or did I just not receive a tracking number yet?
I ordered 67g switches and stabs, and I'd love to get my stuff some time next week.
EDIT: nvm just got my notification :thumb:
Post by: cyberpigg on Fri, 16 December 2016, 15:44:47
Post by: Dominathan on Fri, 16 December 2016, 17:51:33
Post by: nickheller on Fri, 16 December 2016, 19:40:08
Fantastic packaging as usual
Post by: jessica on Sat, 17 December 2016, 00:10:05
Post by: IonutZ on Sat, 17 December 2016, 09:18:09
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sat, 17 December 2016, 09:26:09
Any plans on opening orders again for Zeal60?
Zeal has mentioned before in this thread that he will be producing more but no set date yet.
Post by: Brammm87 on Sat, 17 December 2016, 17:34:59
Damn DHL, package was picked up in Canada yesterday at 3:11 PM and just got delivered here in Florida at 2:50 PM. LESS THAN 24 HOURS :eek: Anyway these gold stabs are so shiny!My previous order went from Zeal's to Belgium in less than 48. It's awesome.
Post by: feralfoo on Sat, 17 December 2016, 18:19:35
Have installed Zealencio silencing clips on a Whitefox with Costar plate mount stabs. The stab wire was rubbing tightly against the clip, preventing the key from pressing/returning properly.
The fix is easy, cut away the lip on the wire side of the clip to give it room to move.
Anyone else found this with costar stabs?
Post by: sethbc on Sun, 18 December 2016, 11:32:20
Ugh...I know it's not Zeal's fault but getting salty, I just want my stuff. :( Order #55XX RIP.
#4540 But I am a patient person =D
4531. Brother!
4505 here
Post by: Slash Emperor on Sun, 18 December 2016, 11:51:07
Low number comrade!Ugh...I know it's not Zeal's fault but getting salty, I just want my stuff. :( Order #55XX RIP.
#4540 But I am a patient person =D
4531. Brother!
4505 here
Currently debating on whether or not to build my Whitefox with the 65g I got with it or wait for my R4 order and make 67g Zealiostotles.
Sent from my LG-V20
Post by: MandrewDavis on Sun, 18 December 2016, 19:50:16
Post by: Slash Emperor on Sun, 18 December 2016, 20:09:25
I had two separate orders but if this is going to be a contest, I had all you guys beat by about a hundred.Nice! You in for everything as well?
Sent from my LG-V20
Post by: graefeln on Mon, 19 December 2016, 05:29:49
I had two separate orders but if this is going to be a contest, I had all you guys beat by about a hundred.
I'm sitting at #3825 with R3 Zealios... and have been adding to it ever since.
(Ordered the same time as Weaven and asked him to hold everything since he is the proxy for that... may actually split it if he doesn't get them soon).
Post by: breckstar on Mon, 19 December 2016, 10:09:07
Post by: Brammm87 on Mon, 19 December 2016, 11:38:51
Post by: awhitedev on Mon, 19 December 2016, 11:49:04
Still waiting on PCB stabs and zealios :(:( looks like Christmas gonna be late this year
I wouldn't be so sure... Zeal ships stuff out pretty fast.. and shipping from DHL is only 1 day after that. It's still early... I'm betting most people receive their stuff by the end of the week.
The more people message him the slower he'll be able to work.. so just sit tight... and be patient :)
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 19 December 2016, 17:20:13
PCB orders are actually being held for *a tiny bit* longer. Sorry, but current ETA will either be late this week or after Christmas, into January. Had a discussion with PCB designer and we have agreed to upgrade a few capacitors to another variant. Won't go into specifics, but it needed to be done. Future Zeal60 revisions will incorporate the new capacitors.
Orders with stabilizers: We thought it would be best to screw-in the screws into the stabilizer ahead of time, making it simpler to pack. Unfortunately as we went through 2 large freezer ziplock bags worth, and at the bottom of the bag there were 34 screws that came undone (of ~3000+ screws we had inserted). What we're doing to mitigate this issue: screw in the screws fully into the housing instead of half way in. Roughly 50 boxes that have already been packed today may be affected by this issue. To solve the issue, we're giving 4x extra screws for each box that was packed over the weekend and that'll receive a shipping notification today. It'll either be taped on the exterior side of the box (only a few DHL boxes printed before this post), or we have cut a slit into the tape to fit the screws in within a small zip bag.
A few orders went out last week may also be affected. If you are missing a screw, send me an email with a pic and your order # and I'll have a few screws sent out via bubble mailer. Sorry about the inconvenience. It shouldn't affect more than 34 customers. :(
Other than that, we are still working hard to pack everyone's order out. Baggies have been packed up to 52xx, but due to the way we bulk pack, sometimes a few order numbers a bit higher do go out a bit earlier. Shouldn't delay much more than 1 day as we try to move orders in the +-200 range a day. Hope that makes sense.
Post by: jessica on Mon, 19 December 2016, 17:55:34
Hey guys, small update:
PCB orders are actually being held for *a tiny bit* longer. Sorry, but current ETA will either be late this week or after Christmas, into January. Had a discussion with PCB designer and we have agreed to upgrade a few capacitors to another variant. Won't go into specifics, but it needed to be done. Future Zeal60 revisions will incorporate the new capacitors.
Orders with stabilizers: We thought it would be best to screw-in the screws into the stabilizer ahead of time, making it simpler to pack. Unfortunately as we went through 2 large freezer ziplock bags worth, and at the bottom of the bag there were 34 screws that came undone (of ~3000+ screws we had inserted). What we're doing to mitigate this issue: screw in the screws fully into the housing instead of half way in. Roughly 50 boxes that have already been packed today may be affected by this issue. To solve the issue, we're giving 4x extra screws for each box that was packed over the weekend and that'll receive a shipping notification today. It'll either be taped on the exterior side of the box (only a few DHL boxes printed before this post), or we have cut a slit into the tape to fit the screws in within a small zip bag.
A few orders went out last week may also be affected. If you are missing a screw, send me an email with a pic and your order # and I'll have a few screws sent out via bubble mailer. Sorry about the inconvenience. It shouldn't affect more than 34 customers. :(
Other than that, we are still working hard to pack everyone's order out. Baggies have been packed up to 52xx, but due to the way we bulk pack, sometimes a few order numbers a bit higher do go out a bit earlier. Shouldn't delay much more than 1 day as we try to move orders in the +-200 range a day. Hope that makes sense.
You just can't catch a break, can you? Best of luck
Post by: satricion on Mon, 19 December 2016, 18:37:14
Post by: Slash Emperor on Mon, 19 December 2016, 19:28:51
Hey guys, small update:
PCB orders are actually being held for *a tiny bit* longer. Sorry, but current ETA will either be late this week or after Christmas, into January. Had a discussion with PCB designer and we have agreed to upgrade a few capacitors to another variant. Won't go into specifics, but it needed to be done. Future Zeal60 revisions will incorporate the new capacitors.
Orders with stabilizers: We thought it would be best to screw-in the screws into the stabilizer ahead of time, making it simpler to pack. Unfortunately as we went through 2 large freezer ziplock bags worth, and at the bottom of the bag there were 34 screws that came undone (of ~3000+ screws we had inserted). What we're doing to mitigate this issue: screw in the screws fully into the housing instead of half way in. Roughly 50 boxes that have already been packed today may be affected by this issue. To solve the issue, we're giving 4x extra screws for each box that was packed over the weekend and that'll receive a shipping notification today. It'll either be taped on the exterior side of the box (only a few DHL boxes printed before this post), or we have cut a slit into the tape to fit the screws in within a small zip bag.
A few orders went out last week may also be affected. If you are missing a screw, send me an email with a pic and your order # and I'll have a few screws sent out via bubble mailer. Sorry about the inconvenience. It shouldn't affect more than 34 customers. :(
Other than that, we are still working hard to pack everyone's order out. Baggies have been packed up to 52xx, but due to the way we bulk pack, sometimes a few order numbers a bit higher do go out a bit earlier. Shouldn't delay much more than 1 day as we try to move orders in the +-200 range a day. Hope that makes sense.
No worries, man! I'd rather get this in January anyways, especially since I'm going away for a week's Christmas vacation. Take whatever time you need to have it sorted. Lord knows I'm sitting on more kits than I have time to build at the moment :))
I hope you have a wonderful and stress-free Christmas, Zeal!
Post by: rawrjau on Tue, 20 December 2016, 13:04:10
Post by: japanitrat on Tue, 20 December 2016, 15:22:53
Hey guys, small update:
PCB orders are actually being held for *a tiny bit* longer. Sorry, but current ETA will either be late this week or after Christmas, into January. Had a discussion with PCB designer and we have agreed to upgrade a few capacitors to another variant. Won't go into specifics, but it needed to be done. Future Zeal60 revisions will incorporate the new capacitors.
Orders with stabilizers: We thought it would be best to screw-in the screws into the stabilizer ahead of time, making it simpler to pack. Unfortunately as we went through 2 large freezer ziplock bags worth, and at the bottom of the bag there were 34 screws that came undone (of ~3000+ screws we had inserted). What we're doing to mitigate this issue: screw in the screws fully into the housing instead of half way in. Roughly 50 boxes that have already been packed today may be affected by this issue. To solve the issue, we're giving 4x extra screws for each box that was packed over the weekend and that'll receive a shipping notification today. It'll either be taped on the exterior side of the box (only a few DHL boxes printed before this post), or we have cut a slit into the tape to fit the screws in within a small zip bag.
A few orders went out last week may also be affected. If you are missing a screw, send me an email with a pic and your order # and I'll have a few screws sent out via bubble mailer. Sorry about the inconvenience. It shouldn't affect more than 34 customers. :(
Other than that, we are still working hard to pack everyone's order out. Baggies have been packed up to 52xx, but due to the way we bulk pack, sometimes a few order numbers a bit higher do go out a bit earlier. Shouldn't delay much more than 1 day as we try to move orders in the +-200 range a day. Hope that makes sense.
Thanks for the update, Zeal!
As for the PCB -- so will you (or have you done already) install those new capacitors on the existing boards as well? I am bit of confused because you mentioned rev.2 using the new capacitors right away but you also mentioned that the current ones needed upgrading. So I suppose you do upgrade them before shipping them out?
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 20 December 2016, 16:32:19
Post by: KetchyKech on Tue, 20 December 2016, 17:48:57
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 20 December 2016, 18:48:38
Hey guys, small update:
PCB orders are actually being held for *a tiny bit* longer. Sorry, but current ETA will either be late this week or after Christmas, into January. Had a discussion with PCB designer and we have agreed to upgrade a few capacitors to another variant. Won't go into specifics, but it needed to be done. Future Zeal60 revisions will incorporate the new capacitors.
Orders with stabilizers: We thought it would be best to screw-in the screws into the stabilizer ahead of time, making it simpler to pack. Unfortunately as we went through 2 large freezer ziplock bags worth, and at the bottom of the bag there were 34 screws that came undone (of ~3000+ screws we had inserted). What we're doing to mitigate this issue: screw in the screws fully into the housing instead of half way in. Roughly 50 boxes that have already been packed today may be affected by this issue. To solve the issue, we're giving 4x extra screws for each box that was packed over the weekend and that'll receive a shipping notification today. It'll either be taped on the exterior side of the box (only a few DHL boxes printed before this post), or we have cut a slit into the tape to fit the screws in within a small zip bag.
A few orders went out last week may also be affected. If you are missing a screw, send me an email with a pic and your order # and I'll have a few screws sent out via bubble mailer. Sorry about the inconvenience. It shouldn't affect more than 34 customers. :(
Other than that, we are still working hard to pack everyone's order out. Baggies have been packed up to 52xx, but due to the way we bulk pack, sometimes a few order numbers a bit higher do go out a bit earlier. Shouldn't delay much more than 1 day as we try to move orders in the +-200 range a day. Hope that makes sense.
Thanks for the update, Zeal!
As for the PCB -- so will you (or have you done already) install those new capacitors on the existing boards as well? I am bit of confused because you mentioned rev.2 using the new capacitors right away but you also mentioned that the current ones needed upgrading. So I suppose you do upgrade them before shipping them out?
Yes, each Rev 1 PCB is getting the new capacitors swapped in before shipping.
Post by: MellowSnow on Tue, 20 December 2016, 19:21:49
Hey chaps,
Have installed Zealencio silencing clips on a Whitefox with Costar plate mount stabs. The stab wire was rubbing tightly against the clip, preventing the key from pressing/returning properly.
The fix is easy, cut away the lip on the wire side of the clip to give it room to move.
Anyone else found this with costar stabs?
Ugh, yes!! Thank you so much! I recently built my Whitefox with Zealio R4s, and I've been having the same issue. I trimmed some of the switch edges first, but then I realized the main problem was with that front clip you mentioned.
Simply chopping the clip off on the wire side fixed the issue completely! I attached a before/after picture (the bottom clip is what it looks like after the clip fix).
Mod Edit: removed duplicate attachment at the request of OP.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 21 December 2016, 14:13:23
Post by: clappingcactus on Wed, 21 December 2016, 15:24:56
Post by: mll8394 on Wed, 21 December 2016, 18:41:35
Got my stabs massdrop shipping notification. Hyped. :)
Massdrop orders got theirs first? Are there any news on order numbers 47xx orders from zeal?
Post by: Dominathan on Wed, 21 December 2016, 18:45:11
Got my stabs massdrop shipping notification. Hyped. :)
Massdrop orders got theirs first? Are there any news on order numbers 47xx orders from zeal?
This, too, triggered me slightly
Post by: jessica on Wed, 21 December 2016, 19:21:52
Got my stabs massdrop shipping notification. Hyped. :)
Massdrop orders got theirs first? Are there any news on order numbers 47xx orders from zeal?
Got my notification (with stabs) today, will be here tomorrow. :D (57xx here)
Post by: jlavador on Wed, 21 December 2016, 19:59:32
Got my stabs massdrop shipping notification. Hyped. :)
Massdrop orders got theirs first? Are there any news on order numbers 47xx orders from zeal?
Got my notification (with stabs) today, will be here tomorrow. :D (57xx here)
571x with no PCB here is there a method to this madness!!! jk please ship soon!!!
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 21 December 2016, 20:50:44
Got my stabs massdrop shipping notification. Hyped. :)
Massdrop orders got theirs first? Are there any news on order numbers 47xx orders from zeal?
The original plan was to have everyone's order out before Massdrop's, but unfortunately due to the screw delay, it messed up the timing. Plenty of stabilizer orders actually went out before Massdrop's box was shipped. Not everyone posting in here is representative of the hundreds of boxes that went out already with the screw-in stabs.
I've actually shipped up to a portion of 51xx. Any outstanding order either has a Zeal60 holding it back or 62g Zealios (which I happened to have found the missing box of switches hidden under a pile of foam). Currently shipping/packing the remaining orders with 62g as we speak. If you think your order was accidentally missed, please send me a PM/email (preferred).
Got my stabs massdrop shipping notification. Hyped. :)
Massdrop orders got theirs first? Are there any news on order numbers 47xx orders from zeal?
Got my notification (with stabs) today, will be here tomorrow. :D (57xx here)
You had another combined order at 51xx, so that's why it got sent out. It wasn't considered a 57xx order in the queue.
Post by: mll8394 on Wed, 21 December 2016, 21:16:49
Don't have any zeal60 orders..Only the 1pc 62g zealios and stabs and the rest are more zealios and aristotles if you still remember that..Got my stabs massdrop shipping notification. Hyped. :)
Massdrop orders got theirs first? Are there any news on order numbers 47xx orders from zeal?
The original plan was to have everyone's order out before Massdrop's, but unfortunately due to the screw delay, it messed up the timing. Plenty of stabilizer orders actually went out before Massdrop's box was shipped. Not everyone posting in here is representative of the hundreds of boxes that went out already with the screw-in stabs.
I've actually shipped up to a portion of 51xx. Any outstanding order either has a Zeal60 holding it back or 62g Zealios (which I happened to have found the missing box of switches hidden under a pile of foam). Currently shipping/packing the remaining orders with 62g as we speak. If you think your order was accidentally missed, please send me a PM/email (preferred).Got my stabs massdrop shipping notification. Hyped. :)
Massdrop orders got theirs first? Are there any news on order numbers 47xx orders from zeal?
Got my notification (with stabs) today, will be here tomorrow. :D (57xx here)
You had another combined order at 51xx, so that's why it got sent out. It wasn't considered a 57xx order in the queue.
Sent from my SM-N910C using Tapatalk
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 21 December 2016, 21:19:34
Don't have any zeal60 orders..Only the 1pc 62g zealios and stabs and the rest are more zealios and aristotles if you still remember that..Got my stabs massdrop shipping notification. Hyped. :)
Massdrop orders got theirs first? Are there any news on order numbers 47xx orders from zeal?
The original plan was to have everyone's order out before Massdrop's, but unfortunately due to the screw delay, it messed up the timing. Plenty of stabilizer orders actually went out before Massdrop's box was shipped. Not everyone posting in here is representative of the hundreds of boxes that went out already with the screw-in stabs.
I've actually shipped up to a portion of 51xx. Any outstanding order either has a Zeal60 holding it back or 62g Zealios (which I happened to have found the missing box of switches hidden under a pile of foam). Currently shipping/packing the remaining orders with 62g as we speak. If you think your order was accidentally missed, please send me a PM/email (preferred).Got my stabs massdrop shipping notification. Hyped. :)
Massdrop orders got theirs first? Are there any news on order numbers 47xx orders from zeal?
Got my notification (with stabs) today, will be here tomorrow. :D (57xx here)
You had another combined order at 51xx, so that's why it got sent out. It wasn't considered a 57xx order in the queue.
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Most likely packed already. Just needs to be printed. You can PM me your order # to double check if you wanted.
Post by: Elth on Wed, 21 December 2016, 21:31:43
Post by: jessica on Wed, 21 December 2016, 21:34:46
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You had another combined order at 51xx, so that's why it got sent out. It wasn't considered a 57xx order in the queue.
Oh. Well that explains that. Thanks anyways <3
Post by: mll8394 on Wed, 21 December 2016, 21:51:28
PM'd here and also on email. Thanks Zeal!Don't have any zeal60 orders..Only the 1pc 62g zealios and stabs and the rest are more zealios and aristotles if you still remember that..Got my stabs massdrop shipping notification. Hyped. :)
Massdrop orders got theirs first? Are there any news on order numbers 47xx orders from zeal?
The original plan was to have everyone's order out before Massdrop's, but unfortunately due to the screw delay, it messed up the timing. Plenty of stabilizer orders actually went out before Massdrop's box was shipped. Not everyone posting in here is representative of the hundreds of boxes that went out already with the screw-in stabs.
I've actually shipped up to a portion of 51xx. Any outstanding order either has a Zeal60 holding it back or 62g Zealios (which I happened to have found the missing box of switches hidden under a pile of foam). Currently shipping/packing the remaining orders with 62g as we speak. If you think your order was accidentally missed, please send me a PM/email (preferred).Got my stabs massdrop shipping notification. Hyped. :)
Massdrop orders got theirs first? Are there any news on order numbers 47xx orders from zeal?
Got my notification (with stabs) today, will be here tomorrow. :D (57xx here)
You had another combined order at 51xx, so that's why it got sent out. It wasn't considered a 57xx order in the queue.
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Most likely packed already. Just needs to be printed. You can PM me your order # to double check if you wanted.
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Post by: Zeal on Wed, 21 December 2016, 22:23:21
PM'd here and also on email. Thanks Zeal!Don't have any zeal60 orders..Only the 1pc 62g zealios and stabs and the rest are more zealios and aristotles if you still remember that..Got my stabs massdrop shipping notification. Hyped. :)
Massdrop orders got theirs first? Are there any news on order numbers 47xx orders from zeal?
The original plan was to have everyone's order out before Massdrop's, but unfortunately due to the screw delay, it messed up the timing. Plenty of stabilizer orders actually went out before Massdrop's box was shipped. Not everyone posting in here is representative of the hundreds of boxes that went out already with the screw-in stabs.
I've actually shipped up to a portion of 51xx. Any outstanding order either has a Zeal60 holding it back or 62g Zealios (which I happened to have found the missing box of switches hidden under a pile of foam). Currently shipping/packing the remaining orders with 62g as we speak. If you think your order was accidentally missed, please send me a PM/email (preferred).Got my stabs massdrop shipping notification. Hyped. :)
Massdrop orders got theirs first? Are there any news on order numbers 47xx orders from zeal?
Got my notification (with stabs) today, will be here tomorrow. :D (57xx here)
You had another combined order at 51xx, so that's why it got sent out. It wasn't considered a 57xx order in the queue.
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Most likely packed already. Just needs to be printed. You can PM me your order # to double check if you wanted.
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Solved. Order was shipped today, notification email most likely went to spam.
Post by: mll8394 on Thu, 22 December 2016, 04:24:12
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Solved. Order was shipped today, notification email most likely went to spam.
Thank you :) :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: breckstar on Thu, 22 December 2016, 10:06:43
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 22 December 2016, 11:59:07
Status on the rest of the Zeal60s? Guess that's what holding up my order
All Zeal60s are undergoing a few capacitor swaps. Gonna spend the Christmas weekend getting through those. Earliest a PCB will start shipping would be next week, and continue into early January.
Post by: Dominathan on Thu, 22 December 2016, 16:07:38
Status on the rest of the Zeal60s? Guess that's what holding up my order
All Zeal60s are undergoing a few capacitor swaps. Gonna spend the Christmas weekend getting through those. Earliest a PCB will start shipping would be next week, and continue into early January.
I figured this would be the case. I'm going to be out all next week, so it doesn't matter too much if I don't get it during then.
Post by: Aperture_Sci on Thu, 22 December 2016, 22:18:09
Thanks!
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 22 December 2016, 22:41:52
Hey Zeal, thanks for the super awesome communication. Any idea when Order #55XX is going out? I had 100 67g and 2x stab's. I know you said by Christmas but wondering if the new screw holdup is delaying anything.
Thanks!
55xx was packed this evening, label will get printed tonight / tomorrow morning.
Post by: HouseofSuffering on Thu, 22 December 2016, 23:23:16
Loving the stabs. Thanks Zeal!
Post by: thelaughingman on Fri, 23 December 2016, 11:06:45
Post by: breckstar on Fri, 23 December 2016, 14:31:54
Oh, Roger that. Sounds good. Can't wait for it. So excited to build it :) hope it comes earl January or I might have to change shipping addressStatus on the rest of the Zeal60s? Guess that's what holding up my order
All Zeal60s are undergoing a few capacitor swaps. Gonna spend the Christmas weekend getting through those. Earliest a PCB will start shipping would be next week, and continue into early January.
Post by: ryan92084 on Fri, 23 December 2016, 16:04:37
For the majority of my mx whites it doesn't seem like the zealencios will interfere with the stem sprue enough to matter. There are a few extra long ones that I may have to trim but that is easily done by wedging an xacto between the stem and base of the sprue.
Post by: Petch on Fri, 23 December 2016, 18:38:52
Cheers
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 23 December 2016, 18:40:10
Hi Zeal, I just got my shipping notification for 100 silencing clips, but I 'upgraded' my order to 120. Is this just an automated message based off the original order?
Cheers
Automated email, don't worry. :)
Post by: Petch on Fri, 23 December 2016, 18:44:16
I ended up with a couple of different order numbers according to these shipping emails (I got 3 in total) - but I'm guessing it will still be just the one shipment?
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 23 December 2016, 18:47:46
Thought so, thank you!
I ended up with a couple of different order numbers according to these shipping emails (I got 3 in total) - but I'm guessing it will still be just the one shipment?
Yep.
Post by: menuhin on Fri, 23 December 2016, 20:21:26
Thanks Zeal for your work. You've packed them really well.
Post by: Jemaunji on Sat, 24 December 2016, 01:23:53
Post by: Elth on Sat, 24 December 2016, 01:29:55
Received my package today, super happy with everything. Especially the green tea kit kats :p
No green tea kit kats, Zeal no love me :(
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 24 December 2016, 05:49:40
Pretty much all GB orders have been packed and shipped. Less than 5 regular GB orders waiting on a small item(getting more SIPs in)/waiting to be combined with Lustro/weaven. Will get those orders out whenever everything arrives.
PCB orders will start going out Tuesday? (iirc DHL here takes an extra day off after Christmas). Will be spending the Christmas weekend swapping out caps and packing/shipping PCB orders.
If anyone has any questions about anything, please feel free to send me an email. Thanks.
Post by: Malenky on Sat, 24 December 2016, 06:58:38
Post by: nugglets on Sat, 24 December 2016, 14:12:41
I just realized some orders that were shipped during Dec 21-24 time frame didn't have the "send customer email when shipped" box checked...-facepalm- Not sure what happened as that box is usually auto checked. If you didn't get a shipping notification email and have an account on my site, your order should show as fulfilled. Orders via DHL all get a text/email, so it mostly only affects CanPost orders.
Pretty much all GB orders have been packed and shipped. Less than 5 regular GB orders waiting on a small item(getting more SIPs in)/waiting to be combined with Lustro/weaven. Will get those orders out whenever everything arrives.
PCB orders will start going out Tuesday? (iirc DHL here takes an extra day off after Christmas). Will be spending the Christmas weekend swapping out caps and packing/shipping PCB orders.
If anyone has any questions about anything, please feel free to send me an email. Thanks.
I know you're disappointed with all the delays and want to push to get everything out as soon as possible, but I sincerely hope you take some time to yourself to enjoy the holidays bud. Whether it's with family, friends, or just a good meal and a book, find some time to relax =)
Post by: Aperture_Sci on Sat, 24 December 2016, 14:22:12
Post by: smittysteve on Sat, 24 December 2016, 14:22:37
I just realized some orders that were shipped during Dec 21-24 time frame didn't have the "send customer email when shipped" box checked...-facepalm- Not sure what happened as that box is usually auto checked. If you didn't get a shipping notification email and have an account on my site, your order should show as fulfilled. Orders via DHL all get a text/email, so it mostly only affects CanPost orders.
Pretty much all GB orders have been packed and shipped. Less than 5 regular GB orders waiting on a small item(getting more SIPs in)/waiting to be combined with Lustro/weaven. Will get those orders out whenever everything arrives.
PCB orders will start going out Tuesday? (iirc DHL here takes an extra day off after Christmas). Will be spending the Christmas weekend swapping out caps and packing/shipping PCB orders.
If anyone has any questions about anything, please feel free to send me an email. Thanks.
I know you're disappointed with all the delays and want to push to get everything out as soon as possible, but I sincerely hope you take some time to yourself to enjoy the holidays bud. Whether it's with family, friends, or just a good meal and a book, find some time to relax =)
+1 +1 +1 to this. Zeal, you are a beast and you can tell in every fast email response and post here how much yo want us all to enjoy these stellar products. Pure bad-assery in your GB chops.
Enjoy the holidays man. Get away for a few days. We will all live and have a fat box of switches, Zeal60's and sexy stabs to look forward to in the new year!! :)
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 24 December 2016, 15:55:56
I just realized some orders that were shipped during Dec 21-24 time frame didn't have the "send customer email when shipped" box checked...-facepalm- Not sure what happened as that box is usually auto checked. If you didn't get a shipping notification email and have an account on my site, your order should show as fulfilled. Orders via DHL all get a text/email, so it mostly only affects CanPost orders.
Pretty much all GB orders have been packed and shipped. Less than 5 regular GB orders waiting on a small item(getting more SIPs in)/waiting to be combined with Lustro/weaven. Will get those orders out whenever everything arrives.
PCB orders will start going out Tuesday? (iirc DHL here takes an extra day off after Christmas). Will be spending the Christmas weekend swapping out caps and packing/shipping PCB orders.
If anyone has any questions about anything, please feel free to send me an email. Thanks.
I didn't get anything :'(
Post by: Dominathan on Sat, 24 December 2016, 16:38:48
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 24 December 2016, 17:27:02
I just realized some orders that were shipped during Dec 21-24 time frame didn't have the "send customer email when shipped" box checked...-facepalm- Not sure what happened as that box is usually auto checked. If you didn't get a shipping notification email and have an account on my site, your order should show as fulfilled. Orders via DHL all get a text/email, so it mostly only affects CanPost orders.
Pretty much all GB orders have been packed and shipped. Less than 5 regular GB orders waiting on a small item(getting more SIPs in)/waiting to be combined with Lustro/weaven. Will get those orders out whenever everything arrives.
PCB orders will start going out Tuesday? (iirc DHL here takes an extra day off after Christmas). Will be spending the Christmas weekend swapping out caps and packing/shipping PCB orders.
If anyone has any questions about anything, please feel free to send me an email. Thanks.
I didn't get anything :'(
Don't worry, sweet prince I gotchu ;)
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Thanks guys, have a wonderful Christmas week as well.
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 24 December 2016, 20:50:05
Post by: tusing on Mon, 26 December 2016, 10:24:01
If anyone else also wants to try underglow, I'm making a small guide: https://gist.github.com/tusing/b9e58480d67a9f3e5932ba27096643c6
This guide is completely untested, so any help in fixing mistakes, etc. would be greatly appreciated.
Post by: Jeu on Mon, 26 December 2016, 20:52:11
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 26 December 2016, 21:11:34
Due to the holidays DHL actually gave me next day shipping on a Saturday!! Zeal must be magic ;D Everything looks awesome and tomorrow starts some building! Any updates on Lustro/Weaven stuck in Vietnam situation?
Yeah, seems like some DHL warehouses had overtime deliveries in the east coast and delivered on Saturday.
No update in that department, but let's try and keep the two GBs separate in their respective threads.
Post by: fanman888 on Mon, 26 December 2016, 22:54:48
Hope you had a great Christmas!
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 27 December 2016, 02:53:54
Hey Zeal! Just wondering what the status is on the gold SIP sockets? I think my entire order of 67g/78g zealios, screw-in stabs, lube, zealiencio clips, are just waiting on those SIP sockets.
Hope you had a great Christmas!
Should arrive before the end of the week.
Post by: toneman77 on Tue, 27 December 2016, 05:31:38
Always remember: compared to some other group buys (round 5, 5a, 6 @DT) this is lightning speed!
So: Keep up your amazing work Zeal! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: fanman888 on Tue, 27 December 2016, 15:57:08
Hey Zeal! Just wondering what the status is on the gold SIP sockets? I think my entire order of 67g/78g zealios, screw-in stabs, lube, zealiencio clips, are just waiting on those SIP sockets.
Hope you had a great Christmas!
Should arrive before the end of the week.
Awesome, thanks! I will send an email, might need to change the shipping address.
Post by: zacheadams on Tue, 27 December 2016, 21:04:45
Post by: jal on Wed, 28 December 2016, 19:59:46
Now I need some time with the soldering iron...
Post by: footiemonkey on Thu, 29 December 2016, 13:08:57
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 29 December 2016, 13:16:56
Post by: kasakka on Thu, 29 December 2016, 15:21:52
Unfortunately I was not that happy with the silencing clips. I am experiencing some missed keys or duplicated inputs and they seem to get caught a bit on my JTK keycaps.
My question is, what is the correct way to remove the silencing clips? They seem to be stuck in really hard. :(
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 29 December 2016, 17:15:11
Got my stabs, switches and silencing caps. The stabs are a great upgrade over the Chinese fakes I had before. Removing those and installing the Zealio stabs with the plate in place was a huge pain in the ass but I succeeded! The 67g switches also seem more stable and nicer than the R3 65g I currently use.
Unfortunately I was not that happy with the silencing clips. I am experiencing some missed keys or duplicated inputs and they seem to get caught a bit on my JTK keycaps.
My question is, what is the correct way to remove the silencing clips? They seem to be stuck in really hard. :(
Unless JTK have a fatter stem than GMK/Cherry caps, it shouldn't cause any interference. Both sides have to click in to be properly mounted.
To remove the clips, use a small precision flat head and gently pry on one end then the other. It should pop off quite easily.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 29 December 2016, 17:34:14
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 29 December 2016, 17:50:20
Will you be improving the Zealstabs later down the road? Mine have quite a bit of wobble coming from the tab at which the wire pops in being too loose. They are insanely smooth though.
Are you talking about the anchor/pivot point where the wire sits in the stab housing? There should only be a tiny bit of free movement, which is the same as found as authentic Cherry PCB mount housings. It's needed to glide smoothly with the stabilized keys. Wire diameter is already 1.6mm, which is the same as proper Cherry wires. I haven't found or heard of any issues the the current stabilizer design.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 29 December 2016, 18:18:54
Will you be improving the Zealstabs later down the road? Mine have quite a bit of wobble coming from the tab at which the wire pops in being too loose. They are insanely smooth though.
Are you talking about the anchor/pivot point where the wire sits in the stab housing? There should only be a tiny bit of free movement, which is the same as found as authentic Cherry PCB mount housings. It's needed to glide smoothly with the stabilized keys. Wire diameter is already 1.6mm, which is the same as proper Cherry wires. I haven't found or heard of any issues the the current stabilizer design.
Yes, exactly that point. When I look into the gap between my spacebar and case and press on the sides I can see the wire moving around a bit, which doesn't really happen on my Cherry stabs, which are a pretty tight fit. Maybe mine are just weird? I dunno. It is also amplified when the wire is routed south of the switch.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 29 December 2016, 18:43:43
Will you be improving the Zealstabs later down the road? Mine have quite a bit of wobble coming from the tab at which the wire pops in being too loose. They are insanely smooth though.
Are you talking about the anchor/pivot point where the wire sits in the stab housing? There should only be a tiny bit of free movement, which is the same as found as authentic Cherry PCB mount housings. It's needed to glide smoothly with the stabilized keys. Wire diameter is already 1.6mm, which is the same as proper Cherry wires. I haven't found or heard of any issues the the current stabilizer design.
Yes, exactly that point. When I look into the gap between my spacebar and case and press on the sides I can see the wire moving around a bit, which doesn't really happen on my Cherry stabs, which are a pretty tight fit. Maybe mine are just weird? I dunno. It is also amplified when the wire is routed south of the switch.
Well, the wire doesn't really move left/right unless you poke it. :)) Maybe it's the smoothness giving it a slippery feel?
Spacebar stabs go up and down with the keycap, so I don't see it being an issue. BTW, which PCB has the spacebar wire that's South facing? Nearly all custom PCBs have it North. Do the plastic ends of the stabs have anything to push against?
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 29 December 2016, 18:58:17
The wire isn't moving left/right but up/down (on a 2d top view, so the wire is moving north/south in the housing).Will you be improving the Zealstabs later down the road? Mine have quite a bit of wobble coming from the tab at which the wire pops in being too loose. They are insanely smooth though.
Are you talking about the anchor/pivot point where the wire sits in the stab housing? There should only be a tiny bit of free movement, which is the same as found as authentic Cherry PCB mount housings. It's needed to glide smoothly with the stabilized keys. Wire diameter is already 1.6mm, which is the same as proper Cherry wires. I haven't found or heard of any issues the the current stabilizer design.
Yes, exactly that point. When I look into the gap between my spacebar and case and press on the sides I can see the wire moving around a bit, which doesn't really happen on my Cherry stabs, which are a pretty tight fit. Maybe mine are just weird? I dunno. It is also amplified when the wire is routed south of the switch.
Well, the wire doesn't really move left/right unless you poke it. :)) Maybe it's the smoothness giving it a slippery feel?
Spacebar stabs go up and down with the keycap, so I don't see it being an issue. BTW, which PCB has the spacebar wire that's South facing? Nearly all custom PCBs have it North. Do the plastic ends of the stabs have anything to push against?
The PCB is a TX87 PCB, Leeku L3 based. The stabhousing is stable, just the wire moving around. If you want I can try making video of it tomorrow/later today(depending from which timezone you are looking at it).
I've got at least a millimeter of wobble when I press on the ends of the cap.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 29 December 2016, 19:21:05
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 29 December 2016, 19:26:43
Wire shouldn't be significantly moving up/down freely when anchored in the housing, so please provide a video if possible. It would be a lot more clear so I/we can find a solution to your issue. Is this only affecting the spacebar, or all stabs? Cause 1mm of movement sounds like the wire wouldn't snap in in place anymore, which isn't normal.
All stabs except the enter one which has the wire north-facing. I'll make a video tomorrow.
Post by: loud_asian on Thu, 29 December 2016, 20:24:00
I haven't received any tracking info yet
Post by: kundica on Thu, 29 December 2016, 21:16:13
Got em!Nice! I was hoping mine would come in before the new year but no luck.
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Post by: Slash Emperor on Thu, 29 December 2016, 21:33:36
Have all orders with zeal60s gone out?As far as I know, I don't have tracking for mine yet, either. Shouldn't be too long, though.
I haven't received any tracking info yet
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Post by: Zeal on Thu, 29 December 2016, 21:57:26
Have all orders with zeal60s gone out?
I haven't received any tracking info yet
Hoping to start pumping out remaining Zeal60 orders over the weekend. Shouldn't be long.
Post by: Slash Emperor on Thu, 29 December 2016, 22:02:32
Great to hear! Timing couldn't be better, since I come back from vacation tomorrow anyways, and the shipment is going to my office.Have all orders with zeal60s gone out?
I haven't received any tracking info yet
Hoping to start pumping out remaining Zeal60 orders over the weekend. Shouldn't be long.
Post by: kasakka on Fri, 30 December 2016, 02:13:35
Got my stabs, switches and silencing caps. The stabs are a great upgrade over the Chinese fakes I had before. Removing those and installing the Zealio stabs with the plate in place was a huge pain in the ass but I succeeded! The 67g switches also seem more stable and nicer than the R3 65g I currently use.
Unfortunately I was not that happy with the silencing clips. I am experiencing some missed keys or duplicated inputs and they seem to get caught a bit on my JTK keycaps.
My question is, what is the correct way to remove the silencing clips? They seem to be stuck in really hard. :(
Unless JTK have a fatter stem than GMK/Cherry caps, it shouldn't cause any interference. Both sides have to click in to be properly mounted.
To remove the clips, use a small precision flat head and gently pry on one end then the other. It should pop off quite easily.
Even though both sides clicked I had issues. I have to press much harder for keys to register and sometimes they get slightly stuck and cause double inputs. Got some removed but the clips are stuck on R3 Zealios pretty hard so often the top of the switch tries to come off.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 30 December 2016, 03:52:01
Got my stabs, switches and silencing caps. The stabs are a great upgrade over the Chinese fakes I had before. Removing those and installing the Zealio stabs with the plate in place was a huge pain in the ass but I succeeded! The 67g switches also seem more stable and nicer than the R3 65g I currently use.
Unfortunately I was not that happy with the silencing clips. I am experiencing some missed keys or duplicated inputs and they seem to get caught a bit on my JTK keycaps.
My question is, what is the correct way to remove the silencing clips? They seem to be stuck in really hard. :(
Unless JTK have a fatter stem than GMK/Cherry caps, it shouldn't cause any interference. Both sides have to click in to be properly mounted.
To remove the clips, use a small precision flat head and gently pry on one end then the other. It should pop off quite easily.
Even though both sides clicked I had issues. I have to press much harder for keys to register and sometimes they get slightly stuck and cause double inputs. Got some removed but the clips are stuck on R3 Zealios pretty hard so often the top of the switch tries to come off.
Are your LEDs facing "up" (away from user) by any chance? Cherry style switches mounted in reverse already barely have enough clearance for Cherry profile caps. Adding a clip makes it a bit too fat for reverse mount though, which would explain them being harder to register on certain rows. This issue with OEM caps, but the clips are best used with Cherry profile caps with "downwards" facing LEDs.
The clips are only held down by small retention clips on two sides.. Prying off one end should release the other quite easily. There shouldn't be any upwards force required and it shouldn't feel like the switch top is going to pop out. .
Post by: kasakka on Fri, 30 December 2016, 04:43:08
Got my stabs, switches and silencing caps. The stabs are a great upgrade over the Chinese fakes I had before. Removing those and installing the Zealio stabs with the plate in place was a huge pain in the ass but I succeeded! The 67g switches also seem more stable and nicer than the R3 65g I currently use.
Unfortunately I was not that happy with the silencing clips. I am experiencing some missed keys or duplicated inputs and they seem to get caught a bit on my JTK keycaps.
My question is, what is the correct way to remove the silencing clips? They seem to be stuck in really hard. :(
Unless JTK have a fatter stem than GMK/Cherry caps, it shouldn't cause any interference. Both sides have to click in to be properly mounted.
To remove the clips, use a small precision flat head and gently pry on one end then the other. It should pop off quite easily.
Even though both sides clicked I had issues. I have to press much harder for keys to register and sometimes they get slightly stuck and cause double inputs. Got some removed but the clips are stuck on R3 Zealios pretty hard so often the top of the switch tries to come off.
Are your LEDs facing "up" (away from user) by any chance? Cherry style switches mounted in reverse already barely have enough clearance for Cherry profile caps. Adding a clip makes it a bit too fat for reverse mount though, which would explain them being harder to register on certain rows. This issue with OEM caps, but the clips are best used with Cherry profile caps with "downwards" facing LEDs.
The clips are only held down by small retention clips on two sides.. Prying off one end should release the other quite easily. There shouldn't be any upwards force required and it shouldn't feel like the switch top is going to pop out. .
Yeah the LEDs are at the top of the switch, facing away from me. It's a Satan GH60 board. The keycaps (JT Royal Purple) should be Cherry profile. I think this should have been stated on the GB order as I would have never ordered the clips had I known about the clearance issues.
I got the clips off, most of them came out pretty easily as soon as I figured out the correct tactic (press on each side, then lift from the small slot in the bottom side)
Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 30 December 2016, 06:24:25
Post by: MajorKoos on Fri, 30 December 2016, 08:49:03
Seems like I misinterpreted the direction in which the wires are loose from looking at it in the weird angle. In the video I tried my best to show the wobble. Since I didn't fancy disassembing my board for this I simply used the TXPad PCB to show the wire wobble and showed the keywobble on the assembled TX87.
That wire needs to clip into the stabilizer housing rather than just sit on top of the clips like in the video.
The little insert which the end of the wire goes into has a side with 1 hole and another with 2.
The side with 2 holes should face the opening on the stabilize body and the wire goes into the bottom of the 2 holes.
Post by: awhitedev on Fri, 30 December 2016, 09:03:50
Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 30 December 2016, 09:09:32
That wire needs to clip into the stabilizer housing rather than just sit on top of the clips like in the video.
The little insert which the end of the wire goes into has a side with 1 hole and another with 2.
The side with 2 holes should face the opening on the stabilize body and the wire goes into the bottom of the 2 holes.
I know how to assemble stabs mate... they are clipped in and the inserts are not rotated
Post by: MajorKoos on Fri, 30 December 2016, 11:15:54
That wire needs to clip into the stabilizer housing rather than just sit on top of the clips like in the video.
The little insert which the end of the wire goes into has a side with 1 hole and another with 2.
The side with 2 holes should face the opening on the stabilize body and the wire goes into the bottom of the 2 holes.
I know how to assemble stabs mate... they are clipped in and the inserts are not rotated
Yeah, you're right - I didn't look at the vid closely enough.
They're wobbling around so much I mistook them as not being clipped in at all.
Some PTFE grease would at least quieten the rattle.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 30 December 2016, 17:13:23
So I know I've read an answer to this somewhere before but I can't find it... is it recommended to lube the switches and stabilizers? Or do they pretty much feel the same whether you do or not?
I always lube everything I build, but the question is whether you think it's worth your time to lube up switches/stabs.
That wire needs to clip into the stabilizer housing rather than just sit on top of the clips like in the video.
The little insert which the end of the wire goes into has a side with 1 hole and another with 2.
The side with 2 holes should face the opening on the stabilize body and the wire goes into the bottom of the 2 holes.
I know how to assemble stabs mate... they are clipped in and the inserts are not rotated
Yeah, you're right - I didn't look at the vid closely enough.
They're wobbling around so much I mistook them as not being clipped in at all.
Some PTFE grease would at least quieten the rattle.
Thing is, the stabs don't rattle when in use. The inserts have the little lip that needs to be pierced through with the wire for a snug fit, which is exactly the same as Authentic Cherry stabs. Wire diameter is >1.6mm, which is the proper size as well. I've done a bunch of measurements during proto and on final product dimensions are all right. Surface on my stabs are smoother, which allow for easier movement. Cherry stabilizers are actually quite grainy, paired with un-polished raw wire that they come with = rougher/lesser free moving stab.
I've just tested a few of my boards with Cherry stabs, and from what I can see, all the longer keys wobble more. I don't really see the issue.
Here's a video I made for an A/B test with the longest non-spacebar stabilized key, 2.75 r_shift. (R4 Zealio, Zeal stabs, gold wire) vs (R4 Zealio, Authentic Cherry stabs, gold wire). Everything unmodded, only basic assembly of stabilizers. Wobble seems the same to me. Add on some thick grease/lube and you have one of the smoothest and quietest stabilizers available.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 30 December 2016, 17:42:46
Another problem I've encountered (which is a lot more annoying) is when I remove tight fitting keycaps (like EnjoyPBT) from the 2u stabs the wire pops out pretty often (in like 4 out of 5 cases). Again, quite nitpicky, but we are talking about pretty expensive stabs here.
To not only point out flaws I've gotta say that the wobble on R4 Zealios is really nicely improved now and much less than in R2 and R3 (probably also better than R1, but I've got none to compare them to). Together with the Zealencios the tactile point feels a lot higher and they give out a really nice thock, I really like the combo of Zealios and Zealencios :thumb:.
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 30 December 2016, 17:45:31
Looking forward to getting mine in. They shipped today!
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 30 December 2016, 18:56:33
Maybe I'm nitpicking too much, but I definitely have a lot less (as in basically non existant) wobble on the stabs I got from SPRiT back in the day, also considerably less on original Cherry stabs (with standard wires) which I bought a few weeks ago from LeanreN. Though yours are definitely smoother. Maybe the thing will look a lot better on boards where the wires are south facing.
Another problem I've encountered (which is a lot more annoying) is when I remove tight fitting keycaps (like EnjoyPBT) from the 2u stabs the wire pops out pretty often (in like 4 out of 5 cases). Again, quite nitpicky, but we are talking about pretty expensive stabs here.
To not only point out flaws I've gotta say that the wobble on R4 Zealios is really nicely improved now and much less than in R2 and R3 (probably also better than R1, but I've got none to compare them to). Together with the Zealencios the tactile point feels a lot higher and they give out a really nice thock, I really like the combo of Zealios and Zealencios :thumb:.
The transparent stabs are made of Nylon, so it's a lot softer as well vs ABS(?) on Cherry stabs. The horizontal cross compresses a bit after a few pulls and should be a perfect fit afterwards. If you don't want to "break them in", squeeze on the horizontal cross with needle nose pliers and it'll feel right from the beginning. Better tight than loose. Vertical cross is a dummy on all stabs when inserted into keycaps.
Post by: Malenky on Fri, 30 December 2016, 19:14:29
Now if only linear Zeals made it to production, milky gat blacks are just not good enough :(
Post by: Vypr on Fri, 30 December 2016, 23:42:51
62G Zealios, Zealencios, and the transparent screw in stabs with gold wires.
(http://i.imgur.com/hnJEbmb.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/mLkzzz1.jpg)
Thanks Zeal :thumb:
Post by: Petch on Sat, 31 December 2016, 08:05:37
Now I just need my PCB from another GB to arrive so I can start
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 31 December 2016, 10:07:42
Post by: satricion on Sun, 01 January 2017, 03:12:00
Just built my VE.A keyboard with all the Zeal parts I received.
62G Zealios, Zealencios, and the transparent screw in stabs with gold wires.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hnJEbmb.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mLkzzz1.jpg)
Thanks Zeal :thumb:
That is some god tier **** my froend.
Post by: katushkin on Sun, 01 January 2017, 03:32:28
Also, thick or thin?
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 02 January 2017, 17:34:12
So just to double check what the recommendations are for lubing Zealiostotles (I know I posted this somewhere but I can't remember where), nathanrosspowell has advised to lube the bottom of the channels and both ends of the spring, but is anyone doing any different?
Also, thick or thin?
Thick for tactile, thin for linears, experiment for Zealiostotles. Don't recommend adding much lube at all for that particular mod as getting lube in the wrong places will kill the click.
Post by: ctrlX on Tue, 03 January 2017, 09:14:04
I had some time to test fit the stabs on a new board I've received and they feel really good. Although the switches were not soldered I got a good feel of how the stabs are. They sure feel great! Really like not having to do the clipping mod. I did not experience any annoyance regarding the wobble with the Zeal stabs. Mine felt pretty sturdy (and I've been a bit picky when it comes to the Zealios wobble).
I was also very exited to finally test the Zealencios which I started installing on my favorite board (Octagon V2). I do however have to admit that installing them was a big pain. I hade to apply a lot of force before hearing the "click" sound. As a matter of fact I stopped after installing 4 of them. Partly because the supplied tool was starting to look really jacked only after installing so few Zealencios and also for the fear of not being able to remove them without damaging the switches or scratching the plate. I am using R3 Zealios on that particular board and I do not know if this has something to do with this. The new board has support for switch top removal so maybe it will be easier to install the Zealencios on it with combination of R4 Zealios that I ordered a couple of days ago.
I have another question though. It might be a bit odd so please bare with me :) After test fitting the stabs and noticing that the upcoming SIP sockets on zealpc.net will be gold plated, I realized that I do not like the gold finish. I know I know... Really silly of me because no one will ever see if the stab wires and/or SIP sockets are gold plated. BUT as many other GH members I am a perfectionist and I am convinced that a lot of us have a bit of OCD going on when it comes to keyboard builds. Just the fact of me knowing that there are gold plated finishes (which I am not fond of) will drive me absolutely crazy. Having said that I would like to know why you are going for products with gold plated finishes? Is it just for "good looks" or does it provide some superior function I haven't thought of? If the reason is mostly because of the bling what do I have to do to get it with a silver finish? (With my taste it would look so much nicer if it was all silver)?
I might as well add that it does not bother me that the springs are gold plated. I can understand the reason behind having gold springs instead of normal SS springs.
Post by: joey on Tue, 03 January 2017, 09:18:10
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 03 January 2017, 09:46:17
Got my stabs and Zealencios during the Christmas holiday. Thank you very much Zeal! :)
I had some time to test fit the stabs on a new board I've received and they feel really good. Although the switches were not soldered I got a good feel of how the stabs are. They sure feel great! Really like not having to do the clipping mod. I did not experience any annoyance regarding the wobble with the Zeal stabs. Mine felt pretty sturdy (and I've been a bit picky when it comes to the Zealios wobble).
I was also very exited to finally test the Zealencios which I started installing on my favorite board (Octagon V2). I do however have to admit that installing them was a big pain. I hade to apply a lot of force before hearing the "click" sound. As a matter of fact I stopped after installing 4 of them. Partly because the supplied tool was starting to look really jacked only after installing so few Zealencios and also for the fear of not being able to remove them without damaging the switches or scratching the plate. I am using R3 Zealios on that particular board and I do not know if this has something to do with this. The new board has support for switch top removal so maybe it will be easier to install the Zealencios on it with combination of R4 Zealios that I ordered a couple of days ago.
I have another question though. It might be a bit odd so please bare with me :) After test fitting the stabs and noticing that the upcoming SIP sockets on zealpc.net will be gold plated, I realized that I do not like the gold finish. I know I know... Really silly of me because no one will ever see if the stab wires and/or SIP sockets are gold plated. BUT as many other GH members I am a perfectionist and I am convinced that a lot of us have a bit of OCD going on when it comes to keyboard builds. Just the fact of me knowing that there are gold plated finishes (which I am not fond of) will drive me absolutely crazy. Having said that I would like to know why you are going for products with gold plated finishes? Is it just for "good looks" or does it provide some superior function I haven't thought of? If the reason is mostly because of the bling what do I have to do to get it with a silver finish? (With my taste it would look so much nicer if it was all silver)?
I might as well add that it does not bother me that the springs are gold plated. I can understand the reason behind having gold springs instead of normal SS springs.
The Zealencios need to be a tight snap fit or you'll end up with a loose plastic cover sitting on top of a switch. It's pretty normal for the flat head part of the spudger to start getting a bit indented, you could use a small disposable chopstick if it makes you feel better. :) As for removing the clips, a small precision flat head bit from any magnetic set should do the trick. Gently wedge a side and it should come loose enough to pop off the other end. Alternatively, as you have mentioned, you could install the clips ahead of time before soldering in switches.
The gold plated finish on stab wires actually makes the wire smoother vs Cherry's typical raw steel piano wire or whatever material they use. As for the SIPs, it's just something new I decided to stock. Finally ran out of the regular silver ones, so I decided why not /blingfactor. I wouldn't recommend stripping off the gold plating with any sort of acid etc as it would damage the overall smoothness/finish of the product.
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 03 January 2017, 22:16:32
Post by: breckstar on Tue, 03 January 2017, 23:27:40
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 04 January 2017, 02:47:43
(http://i.imgur.com/7hUw7QF.jpg)
Lots of pizzas were sent via DHL.
Post by: Malenky on Wed, 04 January 2017, 13:10:49
Lots of pizzas were sent via DHL.
Pizza was the first thing I thought when I got mine :D
Post by: ctrlX on Wed, 04 January 2017, 14:23:32
Got my stabs and Zealencios during the Christmas holiday. Thank you very much Zeal! :)
I had some time to test fit the stabs on a new board I've received and they feel really good. Although the switches were not soldered I got a good feel of how the stabs are. They sure feel great! Really like not having to do the clipping mod. I did not experience any annoyance regarding the wobble with the Zeal stabs. Mine felt pretty sturdy (and I've been a bit picky when it comes to the Zealios wobble).
I was also very exited to finally test the Zealencios which I started installing on my favorite board (Octagon V2). I do however have to admit that installing them was a big pain. I hade to apply a lot of force before hearing the "click" sound. As a matter of fact I stopped after installing 4 of them. Partly because the supplied tool was starting to look really jacked only after installing so few Zealencios and also for the fear of not being able to remove them without damaging the switches or scratching the plate. I am using R3 Zealios on that particular board and I do not know if this has something to do with this. The new board has support for switch top removal so maybe it will be easier to install the Zealencios on it with combination of R4 Zealios that I ordered a couple of days ago.
I have another question though. It might be a bit odd so please bare with me :) After test fitting the stabs and noticing that the upcoming SIP sockets on zealpc.net will be gold plated, I realized that I do not like the gold finish. I know I know... Really silly of me because no one will ever see if the stab wires and/or SIP sockets are gold plated. BUT as many other GH members I am a perfectionist and I am convinced that a lot of us have a bit of OCD going on when it comes to keyboard builds. Just the fact of me knowing that there are gold plated finishes (which I am not fond of) will drive me absolutely crazy. Having said that I would like to know why you are going for products with gold plated finishes? Is it just for "good looks" or does it provide some superior function I haven't thought of? If the reason is mostly because of the bling what do I have to do to get it with a silver finish? (With my taste it would look so much nicer if it was all silver)?
I might as well add that it does not bother me that the springs are gold plated. I can understand the reason behind having gold springs instead of normal SS springs.
The Zealencios need to be a tight snap fit or you'll end up with a loose plastic cover sitting on top of a switch. It's pretty normal for the flat head part of the spudger to start getting a bit indented, you could use a small disposable chopstick if it makes you feel better. :) As for removing the clips, a small precision flat head bit from any magnetic set should do the trick. Gently wedge a side and it should come loose enough to pop off the other end. Alternatively, as you have mentioned, you could install the clips ahead of time before soldering in switches.
The gold plated finish on stab wires actually makes the wire smoother vs Cherry's typical raw steel piano wire or whatever material they use. As for the SIPs, it's just something new I decided to stock. Finally ran out of the regular silver ones, so I decided why not /blingfactor. I wouldn't recommend stripping off the gold plating with any sort of acid etc as it would damage the overall smoothness/finish of the product.
Yes, a small flat head screwdriver did the trick. I was very careful so I wouldn't slip and scratch the alu plate. I've managed to do that in the past :(
Regarding gold plated stabs. It never crossed my mind to try to tamper with the gold plating to get it off (wouldn't be so smart). I do agree that Cherry stab wires are a bit rough. I have actually ordered both from you and Winkeyless as I was not satisfied with the first set. Can't remember if I ended up using yours or from Winkeyless. One set was less rough than the other. But it should be possible to get the same smooth surface/finish as the gold plated ones but in silver, correct? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_plating) But I guess if there is slim to none demand for it then why should you bother ;)
Post by: itskuroi on Wed, 04 January 2017, 14:32:16
The Zeal60 seems a little overwhelming for me, may consider just selling it :-X
Post by: smittysteve on Wed, 04 January 2017, 15:17:14
Through all the hurdles this GB cleared, I am thrilled with everything- from how it was run to what was delivered today. Zeal is the man. IMHO, still unquestionably on top of the switch mountain- the MODs and others can challenge, but they have a ways to go until there's a serious contender ready to clack up against the champ. Built up a Whitefox with R4 Zealios last week, so I got a preview taste of this round and now can't wait to pepper several other boards with purple goodness.
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 04 January 2017, 17:46:14
Just got my package in! Everything was well wrapped and can't wait to build once my 27TKL comes in haha.
The Zeal60 seems a little overwhelming for me, may consider just selling it :-X
I don't know if you're serious or not, but I'll buy it if you decide to sell :)
Post by: breckstar on Wed, 04 January 2017, 20:31:52
R4 is pretty much complete. Shipped remaining orders ~51 boxes yesterday afternoon. Only outstanding orders are those combining lustro/holding to return from holidays.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7hUw7QF.jpg)
Lots of pizzas were sent via DHL.
Zeal or all,
Is it possible to get to get the split backspace and right shift + fn all lit up? Doesn't seem like my LB5 lights up or LD8 when R-Shift is soldered (JD7A)
I'll keep poking around on it but if you know anything, that would be awesome :)
Thanks
Edit: Currently looking at https://zealpc.net/blogs/news/programming-your-zeal60-rgb-pcb to see if anything pops out
Post by: Jeu on Wed, 04 January 2017, 20:46:08
R4 is pretty much complete. Shipped remaining orders ~51 boxes yesterday afternoon. Only outstanding orders are those combining lustro/holding to return from holidays.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7hUw7QF.jpg)
Lots of pizzas were sent via DHL.
Zeal or all,
Is it possible to get to get the split backspace and right shift + fn all lit up? Doesn't seem like my LB5 lights up or LD8 when R-Shift is soldered (JD7A)
I'll keep poking around on it but if you know anything, that would be awesome :)
Thanks
Edit: Currently looking at https://zealpc.net/blogs/news/programming-your-zeal60-rgb-pcb to see if anything pops out
Should be able to, has it's own RGB LED! Might be a bad joint or overflow solder shorting the LED. Or maybe it's keymap specific and the extra lights only light up when the keymap shows split backspace and r shift. Just guessing since I don't have a zeal60
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 04 January 2017, 20:46:10
R4 is pretty much complete. Shipped remaining orders ~51 boxes yesterday afternoon. Only outstanding orders are those combining lustro/holding to return from holidays.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7hUw7QF.jpg)
Lots of pizzas were sent via DHL.
Zeal or all,
Is it possible to get to get the split backspace and right shift + fn all lit up? Doesn't seem like my LB5 lights up or LD8 when R-Shift is soldered (JD7A)
I'll keep poking around on it but if you know anything, that would be awesome :)
Thanks
Have you flashed the board to the proper HHKB.bat layout? The firmware will disable certain LEDs depending on which layout you've chosen. The default rainbow cycling mode you received lights up the "FN" key and HHKB`~ key prior to jumping, so those were confirmed fully functional.
Post by: breckstar on Wed, 04 January 2017, 20:50:24
R4 is pretty much complete. Shipped remaining orders ~51 boxes yesterday afternoon. Only outstanding orders are those combining lustro/holding to return from holidays.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7hUw7QF.jpg)
Lots of pizzas were sent via DHL.
Zeal or all,
Is it possible to get to get the split backspace and right shift + fn all lit up? Doesn't seem like my LB5 lights up or LD8 when R-Shift is soldered (JD7A)
I'll keep poking around on it but if you know anything, that would be awesome :)
Thanks
Have you flashed the board to the proper HHKB.bat layout? The firmware will disable certain LEDs depending on which layout you've chosen. The default rainbow cycling mode you received lights up the "FN" key and HHKB`~ key prior to jumping, so those were confirmed fully functional.
I have not. I was about to do that :) I'll update in soon.
Edit: Never used flip on any of my programmable boards before so I'm just sifting through the dark with my eyes closed :p
Edit2: Got it up an running. Thanks for that little tip. After looking at that stuff and the commands for split backspace etc it became self explanatory :) thanks again all for the help.
Bonus pics :) Zeal60 PCB, R4 78g Zealios (which feel stronger than R2 + 80g springs), WKL B.face case -- Side note for anyone going this route: you will have to shave the case down to fit the transparent stabilizers through the pcb mount slots so that the two acrylic pieces will sit flush on the pcb.
http://imgur.com/a/h1kPH
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 04 January 2017, 22:03:59
R4 is pretty much complete. Shipped remaining orders ~51 boxes yesterday afternoon. Only outstanding orders are those combining lustro/holding to return from holidays.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7hUw7QF.jpg)
Lots of pizzas were sent via DHL.
Zeal or all,
Is it possible to get to get the split backspace and right shift + fn all lit up? Doesn't seem like my LB5 lights up or LD8 when R-Shift is soldered (JD7A)
I'll keep poking around on it but if you know anything, that would be awesome :)
Thanks
Have you flashed the board to the proper HHKB.bat layout? The firmware will disable certain LEDs depending on which layout you've chosen. The default rainbow cycling mode you received lights up the "FN" key and HHKB`~ key prior to jumping, so those were confirmed fully functional.
I have not. I was about to do that :) I'll update in soon.
Edit: Never used flip on any of my programmable boards before so I'm just sifting through the dark with my eyes closed :p
Edit2: Got it up an running. Thanks for that little tip. After looking at that stuff and the commands for split backspace etc it became self explanatory :) thanks again all for the help.
Bonus pics :) Zeal60 PCB, R4 78g Zealios (which feel stronger than R2 + 80g springs), WKL B.face case -- Side note for anyone going this route: you will have to shave the case down to fit the transparent stabilizers through the pcb mount slots so that the two acrylic pieces will sit flush on the pcb.
http://imgur.com/a/h1kPH
Glad everything turned out well. :)
Yeah, unfortunately layered acrylic cases are designed to hug the PCB as close as possible, leaving insufficient clearance for the screw in stabs. A bit of small filing fixes the issue though. Didn't have any GON/WKL cases, so I couldn't test the clearance. Regular top mounted boards/tray style cases aren't an issue.
Post by: dakisback on Thu, 05 January 2017, 23:33:16
Love the switches and the PCB! My first time trying Zealios. Made a good choice! :thumb:
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Fri, 06 January 2017, 01:22:13
Post by: smittysteve on Fri, 06 January 2017, 01:53:45
Decided to go ahead and spend too much time working on the ol' keyboard with 67g Zealios, Zeal stabs, and V4 lube. Essentially no wobble, the lube was well worth the time to apply, and the stabs are amazing. Couldn't be happier with this round of supplies.
Gorgeous 'bird, man!! The build shows the time, love and quality all the way around! ;) Like Skeletor on there too with the purple LEDs... well played.
Post by: Dominathan on Fri, 06 January 2017, 02:37:21
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 06 January 2017, 06:30:22
Where do we get the driver?
https://zealpc.net/blogs/news/programming-your-zeal60-rgb-pcb
Direct DL: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/7329/files/zeal60_v0_1.zip
Firmware will be updated as needed throughout the weeks/months. GUI in the works.
Post by: daviswalkers on Fri, 06 January 2017, 08:30:41
I'll start this out by saying that I've never done a review before so don't expect some eloquent review with tons of pictures and super detailed breakdowns, however after using the Zealencio Silencing Clips for a few weeks now, in conjunction with 78g Zealio Switches I am absolutely in love, and this is by far the best typing experience I've ever had. I've always been self-conscience of my loud keyboards, started about 8 or so years ago with the Razer BlackWidow, I loved the way it felt and sounded however whenever I was on comms I felt bad for those with me as they could hear it even more than I could since my headphones canceled out most of the sound, I then switched to using Browns, which I was not a fan of at all, then reds, and missed the tactile feel and the sound was still audible as I'm a heavy typer, about 4 different switch types later I joined the first Zealio group by and fell in love with the feel of them, however unfortunately went back to feeling bad when typing at work or on comms, I tried all the different o-rings I could find, the different materials, sizes, everything, nothing seemed to really lower the click sound without completely ruining the feel, so when I saw Zeal had made a silencing system completely different than what I had seen before I had to buy them, and boy did it pay off.
My keyboard is now quieter than anyone at work, even people using the crappy scissor switch dell keyboards they give to us, I've been getting loads of comments in discord, but instead of complaints it's been compliments that they no longer hear every keystroke, and honestly, the very little that it effected the feel of my typing has actually been an improvement, I don't think I'll ever be able to type on a mech without them again. Thank you Zeal for this, I honestly never really understood people who critiqued every aspect and weight of their switches as I never felt a huge difference or cared too much (as long as it was tactile I was happy) but after using this for a few weeks I've been converted, I finally understand what it feels like to find the perfect combo for you.
Sorry for the wall of text and I'm sure many grammatical errors and crap post but I was so happy with this purchase I had to show my gratitude somehow, not to mention that Zeal is in my opinion one of if not the best GB Organizers, on every front, be it communication, speed, or flexibility I've been blown away at every step of the process.
Here's a pic of the finished product:
(http://i.imgur.com/ag8uqTC.jpg)
- Black VE.A
- R4 78g Zealio Switches
- Zealencio Silencing Clips
- Zeal Transparent Screw-in Stabs
- GMK Hyperfuse Keyset
- Blue LEDs
- Homemade Sleeved SATA Cable (will be sleeving USB the same once parts come in)
Post by: toneman77 on Fri, 06 January 2017, 09:53:12
First the good ones. Flashing the default hex file worked flawlessly under linux with tkg-toolkit. My OEM PBT caps in combination with the Zealencios and the 67g Zealios feel awesome. Seriously... awesome. I think I can feel less wobble, but that never bothered my anyway. The R2 78g now feel... "less"
But... :-X
(http://imgur.com/hDYKvrJ.jpg)
That little bit of PCB where the USB socket is attached, sticks out 2 or 3 mm. Sadly. So that part of the PCB sits flush with my aliexpress aluminium CNC case, but should be 1-2mm further up.
Which results in:
(http://imgur.com/R8jeXCW.jpg)
Keep in mind: it's the PCB, not the socket that prevents "proper" positioning.
So I can only use the screws on that side of the PCB with a clear conscience and/or without fearing of damaging stuff.
Apart from that: as the last times: switches, shipping, stabs. Everything was exceptional. :thumb: :thumb:
So I either have to dremel a bit of PCB off or use heavy artillery and remove some aluminium from my case. :eek:
@Zeal any ideas?
Post by: tusing on Fri, 06 January 2017, 14:28:25
(https://i.imgur.com/Rpaw20O.jpg)
It's working! And you can read the guide how to do it yourself on the GitHub repository: https://github.com/Wilba6582/qmk_firmware/tree/zeal60/keyboards/zeal60/keymaps/tusing
Post by: Dominathan on Fri, 06 January 2017, 15:12:07
Where do we get the driver?
https://zealpc.net/blogs/news/programming-your-zeal60-rgb-pcb
Direct DL: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/7329/files/zeal60_v0_1.zip
Firmware will be updated as needed throughout the weeks/months. GUI in the works.
I meant for Flip. I can't get FLIP to recognize the keyboard. I was following your readme until you said "Chances are, this isn't the first time you've flashed a board, so you should have the proper drivers installed for the ATmega32u4". This is my first time. I haven't programmed a microcontroller since school, and it was a lot different than this.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 06 January 2017, 16:13:28
Where do we get the driver?
https://zealpc.net/blogs/news/programming-your-zeal60-rgb-pcb
Direct DL: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/7329/files/zeal60_v0_1.zip
Firmware will be updated as needed throughout the weeks/months. GUI in the works.
I meant for Flip. I can't get FLIP to recognize the keyboard. I was following your readme until you said "Chances are, this isn't the first time you've flashed a board, so you should have the proper drivers installed for the ATmega32u4". This is my first time. I haven't programmed a microcontroller since school, and it was a lot different than this.
Ah, sorry about that. I'll include a link to DT on how to install FLIP drivers.
Here's how you direct the USB drivers for FLIP. https://deskthority.net/wiki/Flip-USB
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 06 January 2017, 16:21:37
So. My order arrived safely in germany and I have some good and some bad "news".
First the good ones. Flashing the default hex file worked flawlessly under linux with tkg-toolkit. My OEM PBT caps in combination with the Zealencios and the 67g Zealios feel awesome. Seriously... awesome. I think I can feel less wobble, but that never bothered my anyway. The R2 78g now feel... "less"
But... :-XShow Image(http://imgur.com/hDYKvrJ.jpg)
That little bit of PCB where the USB socket is attached, sticks out 2 or 3 mm. Sadly. So that part of the PCB sits flush with my aliexpress aluminium CNC case, but should be 1-2mm further up.
Which results in:Show Image(http://imgur.com/R8jeXCW.jpg)
Keep in mind: it's the PCB, not the socket that prevents "proper" positioning.
So I can only use the screws on that side of the PCB with a clear conscience and/or without fearing of damaging stuff.
Apart from that: as the last times: switches, shipping, stabs. Everything was exceptional. :thumb: :thumb:
So I either have to dremel a bit of PCB off or use heavy artillery and remove some aluminium from my case. :eek:
@Zeal any ideas?
Could you link the case you purchasd on aliexpress? Is it the one with the cutout for a weight in the back? That's the only reported case I've received from a customer that doesn't have a large enough USB hole clearance (either due to cut out, or standoffs too tall).
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 06 January 2017, 16:46:25
I was going to write a full review, however I'm not the best at such things so here's what I came up with:
I'll start this out by saying that I've never done a review before so don't expect some eloquent review with tons of pictures and super detailed breakdowns, however after using the Zealencio Silencing Clips for a few weeks now, in conjunction with 78g Zealio Switches I am absolutely in love, and this is by far the best typing experience I've ever had. I've always been self-conscience of my loud keyboards, started about 8 or so years ago with the Razer BlackWidow, I loved the way it felt and sounded however whenever I was on comms I felt bad for those with me as they could hear it even more than I could since my headphones canceled out most of the sound, I then switched to using Browns, which I was not a fan of at all, then reds, and missed the tactile feel and the sound was still audible as I'm a heavy typer, about 4 different switch types later I joined the first Zealio group by and fell in love with the feel of them, however unfortunately went back to feeling bad when typing at work or on comms, I tried all the different o-rings I could find, the different materials, sizes, everything, nothing seemed to really lower the click sound without completely ruining the feel, so when I saw Zeal had made a silencing system completely different than what I had seen before I had to buy them, and boy did it pay off.
My keyboard is now quieter than anyone at work, even people using the crappy scissor switch dell keyboards they give to us, I've been getting loads of comments in discord, but instead of complaints it's been compliments that they no longer hear every keystroke, and honestly, the very little that it effected the feel of my typing has actually been an improvement, I don't think I'll ever be able to type on a mech without them again. Thank you Zeal for this, I honestly never really understood people who critiqued every aspect and weight of their switches as I never felt a huge difference or cared too much (as long as it was tactile I was happy) but after using this for a few weeks I've been converted, I finally understand what it feels like to find the perfect combo for you.
Sorry for the wall of text and I'm sure many grammatical errors and crap post but I was so happy with this purchase I had to show my gratitude somehow, not to mention that Zeal is in my opinion one of if not the best GB Organizers, on every front, be it communication, speed, or flexibility I've been blown away at every step of the process.
Here's a pic of the finished product:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ag8uqTC.jpg)
- Black VE.A
- R4 78g Zealio Switches
- Zealencio Silencing Clips
- Zeal Transparent Screw-in Stabs
- GMK Hyperfuse Keyset
- Blue LEDs
- Homemade Sleeved SATA Cable (will be sleeving USB the same once parts come in)
That's awesome, Davis! Thank you very much for the awesome review. Really happy to hear you're happy with everything. :)
Post by: Wilba on Fri, 06 January 2017, 22:39:00
So. My order arrived safely in germany and I have some good and some bad "news".
First the good ones. Flashing the default hex file worked flawlessly under linux with tkg-toolkit. My OEM PBT caps in combination with the Zealencios and the 67g Zealios feel awesome. Seriously... awesome. I think I can feel less wobble, but that never bothered my anyway. The R2 78g now feel... "less"
But... :-XShow Image(http://imgur.com/hDYKvrJ.jpg)
That little bit of PCB where the USB socket is attached, sticks out 2 or 3 mm. Sadly. So that part of the PCB sits flush with my aliexpress aluminium CNC case, but should be 1-2mm further up.
Which results in:Show Image(http://imgur.com/R8jeXCW.jpg)
Keep in mind: it's the PCB, not the socket that prevents "proper" positioning.
So I can only use the screws on that side of the PCB with a clear conscience and/or without fearing of damaging stuff.
Apart from that: as the last times: switches, shipping, stabs. Everything was exceptional. :thumb: :thumb:
So I either have to dremel a bit of PCB off or use heavy artillery and remove some aluminium from my case. :eek:
@Zeal any ideas?
Zeal60 PCB designer here... Can you take a photo from the back, looking at the USB socket, so I can see how the USB socket is positioned relative to the cutout?
I'd like to know if the issue is due to the cutout size being too small (compared to something like a TEX case, which has clearance for the PCB).
Post by: kundica on Fri, 06 January 2017, 23:41:36
Edit: Nvrmind, I found the button.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 06 January 2017, 23:51:02
Zeal, I'm not able to flash the default hex. When I plugin my keyboard it's recognized as a keyboard, not ATmega32U4 so I can't use FLIP to flash. I can type on it like a normal keyboard, although all the LEDs are flashing like crazy. Running the keymap bat does not work either. How am I supposed to get this thing in bootloader mode so I can one, install the ATMEGA32U4 driver, and two, flash it? Space + Esc doesn't work.
Sorry, oversight in the instructions. Now updated to include:
Press on the golden button between "A" and "S" to set your PCB to bootloader mode. Alternatively, if your keyboard is built up, holding down Space+B while plugging in the USB cable will also set it to bootloader mode. You can now proceed to flashing the PCB via FLIP.
Post by: kundica on Fri, 06 January 2017, 23:58:04
Sorry, oversight in the instructions. Now updated to include:
Press on the golden button between "A" and "S" to set your PCB to bootloader mode. Alternatively, if your keyboard is built up, holding down Space+B while plugging in the USB cable will also set it to bootloader mode. You can now proceed to flashing the PCB via FLIP.
Thanks for the instructions. I should've looked for the button from the beginning. All the other 60% boards I've built use b.face PCBs so I never use a button. SPACE + B is super helpful though.
Post by: toneman77 on Sat, 07 January 2017, 02:41:01
So. My order arrived safely in germany and I have some good and some bad "news".
First the good ones. Flashing the default hex file worked flawlessly under linux with tkg-toolkit. My OEM PBT caps in combination with the Zealencios and the 67g Zealios feel awesome. Seriously... awesome. I think I can feel less wobble, but that never bothered my anyway. The R2 78g now feel... "less"
But... :-XShow Image(http://imgur.com/hDYKvrJ.jpg)
That little bit of PCB where the USB socket is attached, sticks out 2 or 3 mm. Sadly. So that part of the PCB sits flush with my aliexpress aluminium CNC case, but should be 1-2mm further up.
Which results in:Show Image(http://imgur.com/R8jeXCW.jpg)
Keep in mind: it's the PCB, not the socket that prevents "proper" positioning.
So I can only use the screws on that side of the PCB with a clear conscience and/or without fearing of damaging stuff.
Apart from that: as the last times: switches, shipping, stabs. Everything was exceptional. :thumb: :thumb:
So I either have to dremel a bit of PCB off or use heavy artillery and remove some aluminium from my case. :eek:
@Zeal any ideas?
Could you link the case you purchasd on aliexpress? Is it the one with the cutout for a weight in the back? That's the only reported case I've received from a customer that doesn't have a large enough USB hole clearance (either due to cut out, or standoffs too tall).
So. My order arrived safely in germany and I have some good and some bad "news".
First the good ones. Flashing the default hex file worked flawlessly under linux with tkg-toolkit. My OEM PBT caps in combination with the Zealencios and the 67g Zealios feel awesome. Seriously... awesome. I think I can feel less wobble, but that never bothered my anyway. The R2 78g now feel... "less"
But... :-XShow Image(http://imgur.com/hDYKvrJ.jpg)
That little bit of PCB where the USB socket is attached, sticks out 2 or 3 mm. Sadly. So that part of the PCB sits flush with my aliexpress aluminium CNC case, but should be 1-2mm further up.
Which results in:Show Image(http://imgur.com/R8jeXCW.jpg)
Keep in mind: it's the PCB, not the socket that prevents "proper" positioning.
So I can only use the screws on that side of the PCB with a clear conscience and/or without fearing of damaging stuff.
Apart from that: as the last times: switches, shipping, stabs. Everything was exceptional. :thumb: :thumb:
So I either have to dremel a bit of PCB off or use heavy artillery and remove some aluminium from my case. :eek:
@Zeal any ideas?
Zeal60 PCB designer here... Can you take a photo from the back, looking at the USB socket, so I can see how the USB socket is positioned relative to the cutout?
I'd like to know if the issue is due to the cutout size being too small (compared to something like a TEX case, which has clearance for the PCB).
Sure
1. @Zeal that's the link from aliexpress. It was all the rage some weeks ago because it was around 50 bucks: AliExpress (https://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/8378677776.html?orderId=80018553536735&productId=32540926035). (link from then)
2. @Wilba: here:
(http://imgur.com/tz1U5jv.jpg)
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 07 January 2017, 03:10:11
Added toggle/hold via LT(layer, kc) command, tweaked stabilizer LEDs during reactive lighting.
Post by: Wilba on Sat, 07 January 2017, 05:03:58
Sure
2. @Wilba: here:Show Image(http://imgur.com/tz1U5jv.jpg)
The cutout is about the same height as on my TEX case, but definitely a lot less width.
If I had to fix this (and I might, because I have some AliExpress cases on the way!) I would Dremel a tiny bit off the PCB (see pic) and then add extra solder to the mount pins on the top side (i.e. making a nice "solder joint" fillet between the outside of the USB socket pin and the pad).
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I chose this particular USB socket because it had through-hole mount pins, so they're a lot more secure than ones with SMD pads, and they tested compatible with my TEX 60% case (including all the ribs!) and Zeal's Duck Eagle, and AFAIK were going to fit any USB cutout that was compatible with Poker2. So I'm sorry you're having this issue.
Post by: toneman77 on Sat, 07 January 2017, 05:26:49
No need to apologize. I expect it to be rather impossible to satisfy anything and everyone. I am deeply impressed so far. And that you used QMK (instead of tmk) is the added bonus for me! (I did AMJ60 and Satan GH60 iso_split_rshift).Sure
2. @Wilba: here:Show Image(http://imgur.com/tz1U5jv.jpg)
The cutout is about the same height as on my TEX case, but definitely a lot less width.
If I had to fix this (and I might, because I have some AliExpress cases on the way!) I would Dremel a tiny bit off the PCB (see pic) and then add extra solder to the mount pins on the top side (i.e. making a nice "solder joint" fillet between the outside of the USB socket pin and the pad).
(Attachment Link)
I chose this particular USB socket because it had through-hole mount pins, so they're a lot more secure than ones with SMD pads, and they tested compatible with my TEX 60% case (including all the ribs!) and Zeal's Duck Eagle, and AFAIK were going to fit any USB cutout that was compatible with Poker2. So I'm sorry you're having this issue.
And now for something completely different: You plan your fork to being merged upstream in the future?
Post by: Wilba on Sat, 07 January 2017, 06:54:46
No need to apologize. I expect it to be rather impossible to satisfy anything and everyone. I am deeply impressed so far. And that you used QMK (instead of tmk) is the added bonus for me! (I did AMJ60 and Satan GH60 iso_split_rshift).
What is "iso_split_rshift"? Is that the name for 1U+1.75U instead of 1.75U+1U (HHKB-like Shift+Fn)?
And now for something completely different: You plan your fork to being merged upstream in the future?
Well the plan is for that to happen eventually... it's never going to be a completely separate fork like QMK was to TMK... it's just my working "branch". It's more convenient during this stage of development to keep things under my control, instantly publish latest source, and not have to bother with pull requests to the master every time I want to publish, and handle pull requests to Zeal60 specific changes to me vs. through the master.
For most people it won't make much difference, since a) I'll keep my fork up to date with QMK master and b) the goal is to have a GUI for changing keymaps and backlight configuration so most end users will never need to build QMK themselves.
FWIW if any Zeal60 users are reading this, feel free to give me feedback and suggestions ;D
Post by: kundica on Sat, 07 January 2017, 08:32:28
I had the same issue with my knockoff TEX case. You can force the PCB to fit but it'll be slightly off center from left to right. Using a real TEX case for now.Sure
2. @Wilba: here:Show Image(http://imgur.com/tz1U5jv.jpg)
The cutout is about the same height as on my TEX case, but definitely a lot less width.
If I had to fix this (and I might, because I have some AliExpress cases on the way!) I would Dremel a tiny bit off the PCB (see pic) and then add extra solder to the mount pins on the top side (i.e. making a nice "solder joint" fillet between the outside of the USB socket pin and the pad).
On another note, is there a way to program the LEDs to turn off when you shut down your computer? Mine currently stay on and I have to unplug the keyboard and plug it back in for them to stay off. My FaceW/b.face boards power off the LEDs when you shutdown the PC for comparison.
Sent from my ONEPLUS A3000 using Tapatalk
Post by: Wilba on Sat, 07 January 2017, 08:43:58
On another note, is there a way to program the LEDs to turn off when you shut down your computer? Mine currently stay on and I have to unplug the keyboard and plug it back in for them to stay off. My FaceW/b.face boards power off the LEDs when you shutdown the PC for comparison.
I will add this feature to the next release. I actually made it stay on during sleep/shutdown and continue it's effect (if it was color cycling etc.) but recently thought not everyone will want that. I was thinking of adding a brightness setting while "suspended" that you can set to 0 if you want them off.
Post by: Malenky on Sat, 07 January 2017, 08:48:59
FWIW if any Zeal60 users are reading this, feel free to give me feedback and suggestions ;D
The easiest interface I've used is the NerDy GUI, albeit lacking options a bit on the LEDs etc.
Post by: kundica on Sat, 07 January 2017, 10:01:00
On another note, is there a way to program the LEDs to turn off when you shut down your computer? Mine currently stay on and I have to unplug the keyboard and plug it back in for them to stay off. My FaceW/b.face boards power off the LEDs when you shutdown the PC for comparison.
I will add this feature to the next release. I actually made it stay on during sleep/shutdown and continue it's effect (if it was color cycling etc.) but recently thought not everyone will want that. I was thinking of adding a brightness setting while "suspended" that you can set to 0 if you want them off.
That'll be great, thanks!
When you say suspended do you mean sleep? I don't know if it's a limitation of the controller but can the LEDs timeout after a period of no activity?
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Post by: nugglets on Sat, 07 January 2017, 10:02:52
It's one of my favorite features for 60% boards, adds such a great level of functionality.
Also want to say that I'm incredibly impressed with all of the new products. I just built my Zeal60 with Zealencios, his stabs and R4 62g Zealios and this thing is freaking fantastic. I was already a huge fan of the 62g Zealios, but the wobble reduction in R4 is very noticeable and a very welcome improvement. The stabs are buttery smooth, and of course look fantastic. The PCB is very high quality, and a fully programmable, QMK compatible, RGB 60% PCB is pretty much a dream come true for me.
But honestly, the most impressive thing to me has to be Zealencios. To do a fair comparison I took my B.face PCB with aluminum plate and put it in this same case to see just how much a difference the two would make, both using GMK caps. It's absolutely night and day. At 100+wpm the non-silenced sounds like a machine gun, whereas in comparison the silenced board is barely audible. The feel is also something I didn't expect. I hate to make the comparison because I feel like it's going to draw scoffs from people on both sides of the fence, but it's almost topre like in the bottom out feel. I had used o-rings in the past (and hated them) but they don't even come close to this. Just really, really impressed.
Of course, no public shilling would be complete without a picture.
(http://i.imgur.com/Awna9T5.jpg)
Post by: toneman77 on Sat, 07 January 2017, 10:36:56
[...]Damn, I forgot:
Of course, no public shilling would be complete without a picture.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Awna9T5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/F7Dgv5n.gif)
Post by: Wilba on Sat, 07 January 2017, 10:38:19
When you say suspended do you mean sleep? I don't know if it's a limitation of the controller but can the LEDs timeout after a period of no activity?
Yes, I mean all cases where the USB device is "suspended", like the PC in Sleep, Hibernate and in some cases Shutdown.
For example, even when my PC is in full shutdown mode, I can still wake it by pressing a key on the keyboard, because the USB device is in a "suspended" state. It's up to the device what it does in this state, but all it can really do is "wake" the host.
I've already done the basics for just turning off the LEDs when suspended, that can go in the next release, rather than do anything fancier like a different backlight effect/brightness etc. when suspended.
As for turning off the backlight after a timeout period of inactivity, that's possible too, but I can only track keyboard activity, not general PC usage, i.e. user didn't type in 15 minutes, turn off backlight. I can definitely do something like that, whether it's useful or not to users is another story ;D
Post by: Wilba on Sat, 07 January 2017, 10:51:41
Just want to say thanks to Zeal and Wilba for adding that LT function from QMK. I asked Zeal about it and within a few hours he told me a new firmware was up that enabled it. That's freaking awesome =)
It's one of my favorite features for 60% boards, adds such a great level of functionality.
No problem. It was already supported in the firmware (it is QMK), just not in the keymap uploading tool. Send me your layout file, I'm curious to see it! ;D
Post by: toneman77 on Sat, 07 January 2017, 11:05:16
LT() is the best!Just want to say thanks to Zeal and Wilba for adding that LT function from QMK. I asked Zeal about it and within a few hours he told me a new firmware was up that enabled it. That's freaking awesome =)
It's one of my favorite features for 60% boards, adds such a great level of functionality.
No problem. It was already supported in the firmware (it is QMK), just not in the keymap uploading tool. Send me your layout file, I'm curious to see it! ;D
Code: [Select]
LT(layer, kc) - momentary switch to layer when held, and kc when tapped.
Like MO(), this only works upwards in the layer stack (layer must be higher than the current layer).I use that for the - Tab key (Tab when tapped, layer switch when held)
- Enter key (Enter when tapped, Ctrl when held)
- Capslock (Escape/Ctrl)
- and the almighty SpaceFn (Space, Layer switch) :p :thumb:
Doc here: QMK wiki (https://github.com/jackhumbert/qmk_firmware/wiki#switching-and-toggling-layers)
Post by: kundica on Sat, 07 January 2017, 11:22:46
Yes, I mean all cases where the USB device is "suspended", like the PC in Sleep, Hibernate and in some cases Shutdown.Okay, sweet. Thanks again!
For example, even when my PC is in full shutdown mode, I can still wake it by pressing a key on the keyboard, because the USB device is in a "suspended" state. It's up to the device what it does in this state, but all it can really do is "wake" the host.
I've already done the basics for just turning off the LEDs when suspended, that can go in the next release, rather than do anything fancier like a different backlight effect/brightness etc. when suspended.
As for turning off the backlight after a timeout period of inactivity, that's possible too, but I can only track keyboard activity, not general PC usage, i.e. user didn't type in 15 minutes, turn off backlight. I can definitely do something like that, whether it's useful or not to users is another story ;D
Regarding timeout, that's exactly what I was thinking about. I regularly leave my PC on so I can VPN in while I'm away. Currently, I manually turn off the LEDs when I leave for the day. One of my older Varmilo boards would timeout though after 10 or so min of inactivity and I really liked that.
Post by: Wilba on Sat, 07 January 2017, 11:57:01
Regarding timeout, that's exactly what I was thinking about. I regularly leave my PC on so I can VPN in while I'm away. Currently, I manually turn off the LEDs when I leave for the day. One of my older Varmilo boards would timeout though after 10 or so min of inactivity and I really liked that.
OK, I'll get that into the next release as well.
Post by: dakisback on Sat, 07 January 2017, 15:21:55
No need to apologize. I expect it to be rather impossible to satisfy anything and everyone. I am deeply impressed so far. And that you used QMK (instead of tmk) is the added bonus for me! (I did AMJ60 and Satan GH60 iso_split_rshift).
What is "iso_split_rshift"? Is that the name for 1U+1.75U instead of 1.75U+1U (HHKB-like Shift+Fn)?And now for something completely different: You plan your fork to being merged upstream in the future?
Well the plan is for that to happen eventually... it's never going to be a completely separate fork like QMK was to TMK... it's just my working "branch". It's more convenient during this stage of development to keep things under my control, instantly publish latest source, and not have to bother with pull requests to the master every time I want to publish, and handle pull requests to Zeal60 specific changes to me vs. through the master.
For most people it won't make much difference, since a) I'll keep my fork up to date with QMK master and b) the goal is to have a GUI for changing keymaps and backlight configuration so most end users will never need to build QMK themselves.
FWIW if any Zeal60 users are reading this, feel free to give me feedback and suggestions ;D
I am really looking forward to the GUI. The .bat file method of programming is pretty overwhelming for me :(
Post by: tkim on Sat, 07 January 2017, 17:00:36
Post by: Dominathan on Sat, 07 January 2017, 19:03:59
After I flashed the firmware (v.1, then .2), I can't get any of the LEDs to turn on. I used the poker keymaps, but I even tried the example from the readme using the command line tool. Nothing. I also tried the colors example. Did I break something?
Edit: Ok, figured it out. I'm an idiot.
Post by: Wilba on Sat, 07 January 2017, 20:58:06
Modified, managed to solve most my issues, just have a lazy LED on alpha's "c, v, b and spacebar" Also the left space bar stab isn't on?, is this a solder issue? I vaguely recall seeing something somewhere
Left spacebar stab has two LEDs. You need to solder a jumper there (JC6 or JC6A) to choose which one you want (6.25U or 7U spacebar). That will most likely fix the other issue with C, V, B and spacebar LEDs.
Post by: Skandocious on Sun, 08 January 2017, 02:39:51
(https://i.imgur.com/SOaqpj0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dCgWLn4.jpg)
Question for you! I've got 2 other orders for stabs, LEDs, and SIPs. When my switches shipped out I got automated notifications that all 3 of my orders had been shipped but only the switches were in the box that arrived. Are you still working on sending out stabs and SIPs? The orders that I haven't received are 5406 and 5605.
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 08 January 2017, 03:03:47
Hey Zeal-- first of all, thank you for an awesome product in Zealios and thank you for being attentive and open to your customers; I've been following this thread for several weeks. I got my switches a couple weeks ago and promptly assembled my OLKB Atomic 😁Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/SOaqpj0.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/dCgWLn4.jpg)
Question for you! I've got 2 other orders for stabs, LEDs, and SIPs. When my switches shipped out I got automated notifications that all 3 of my orders had been shipped but only the switches were in the box that arrived. Are you still working on sending out stabs and SIPs? The orders that I haven't received are 5406 and 5605.
PM'd
Post by: tkim on Sun, 08 January 2017, 03:56:09
Modified, managed to solve most my issues, just have a lazy LED on alpha's "c, v, b and spacebar" Also the left space bar stab isn't on?, is this a solder issue? I vaguely recall seeing something somewhere
Left spacebar stab has two LEDs. You need to solder a jumper there (JC6 or JC6A) to choose which one you want (6.25U or 7U spacebar). That will most likely fix the other issue with C, V, B and spacebar LEDs.
thanks mate, managed to get the stab light on and in sync but the alphas and space bar are still out of sync, I have soldered this jumppad so not sure what the issue is.. its absolutely making the ocd in me come out :eek: :eek:
for example - http://imgur.com/a/qSrAF
update - redid the pads, and no luck, issue still remains
Post by: dakisback on Sun, 08 January 2017, 13:44:19
Modified, managed to solve most my issues, just have a lazy LED on alpha's "c, v, b and spacebar" Also the left space bar stab isn't on?, is this a solder issue? I vaguely recall seeing something somewhere
Left spacebar stab has two LEDs. You need to solder a jumper there (JC6 or JC6A) to choose which one you want (6.25U or 7U spacebar). That will most likely fix the other issue with C, V, B and spacebar LEDs.
thanks mate, managed to get the stab light on and in sync but the alphas and space bar are still out of sync, I have soldered this jumppad so not sure what the issue is.. its absolutely making the ocd in me come out :eek: :eek:
for example - http://imgur.com/a/qSrAF
update - redid the pads, and no luck, issue still remains
Did you solder all 6 jump pads for poker layout?
Post by: tkim on Sun, 08 January 2017, 22:30:37
Top notch guy! thanks Henry! :thumb:
Post by: Aperture_Sci on Mon, 09 January 2017, 01:58:09
Got my switches and stabs and love them - sorry if you've been asked this 1000x aleady, but when will a R2 for the PCB happen?
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 09 January 2017, 03:39:39
Hey Zeal,
Got my switches and stabs and love them - sorry if you've been asked this 1000x aleady, but when will a R2 for the PCB happen?
Late Jan/early Feb.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 09 January 2017, 04:02:36
Updated to V0.3 firmware (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/7329/files/zeal60_v0_3.zip). Added option to disable backlight when USB suspended / disable backlight after inactivity timeout.
Reactive mode added to all color cycle effects.
Post by: eeymiel on Mon, 09 January 2017, 04:45:14
But is there source code for the zeal60 tool, and or a Linux version?
EDIT: nvm found it: https://github.com/Wilba6582/zeal60
Post by: Wilba on Mon, 09 January 2017, 05:37:43
Build my Zeal60 this weekend, really liking it so far ;D
But is there source code for the zeal60 tool, and or a Linux version?
EDIT: nvm found it: https://github.com/Wilba6582/zeal60
No Linux version yet, but the code was written to compile under Linux (and OSX). I'm hoping someone will volunteer to get it building on Linux ;D
Yes, I know it's kind of ironic that I made the zeal60 tool like a UNIX-style command line tool, build firmware in Linux shells, but don't run Linux as an OS.:p
Post by: toneman77 on Mon, 09 January 2017, 05:41:29
What do you mean with "building on linux"?Build my Zeal60 this weekend, really liking it so far ;D
But is there source code for the zeal60 tool, and or a Linux version?
EDIT: nvm found it: https://github.com/Wilba6582/zeal60
No Linux version yet, but the code was written to compile under Linux (and OSX). I'm hoping someone will volunteer to get it building on Linux ;D
Yes, I know it's kind of ironic that I made the zeal60 tool like a UNIX-style command line tool, build firmware in Linux shells, but don't run Linux as an OS.:p
I did flash my Zeal60 in linux.
Post by: Wilba on Mon, 09 January 2017, 06:19:59
What do you mean with "building on linux"?Build my Zeal60 this weekend, really liking it so far ;D
But is there source code for the zeal60 tool, and or a Linux version?
EDIT: nvm found it: https://github.com/Wilba6582/zeal60
No Linux version yet, but the code was written to compile under Linux (and OSX). I'm hoping someone will volunteer to get it building on Linux ;D
Yes, I know it's kind of ironic that I made the zeal60 tool like a UNIX-style command line tool, build firmware in Linux shells, but don't run Linux as an OS.:p
I did flash my Zeal60 in linux.
The zeal60 tool used in the batch files that change layouts and settings is built for Windows, not Linux.
That's different to programming (burning/flashing) firmware like the zeal60_default.hex into the microcontroller on the PCB, which can be done with Flip on Windows and dfu-programmer on Linux.
Post by: toneman77 on Mon, 09 January 2017, 06:21:40
Ah I see. When I get home, I'll take a look at that and see if I can bash-ify that.What do you mean with "building on linux"?Build my Zeal60 this weekend, really liking it so far ;D
But is there source code for the zeal60 tool, and or a Linux version?
EDIT: nvm found it: https://github.com/Wilba6582/zeal60
No Linux version yet, but the code was written to compile under Linux (and OSX). I'm hoping someone will volunteer to get it building on Linux ;D
Yes, I know it's kind of ironic that I made the zeal60 tool like a UNIX-style command line tool, build firmware in Linux shells, but don't run Linux as an OS.:p
I did flash my Zeal60 in linux.
The zeal60 tool used in the batch files that change layouts and settings is built for Windows, not Linux.
That's different to programming (burning/flashing) firmware like the zeal60_default.hex into the microcontroller on the PCB, which can be done with Flip on Windows and dfu-programmer on Linux.
Post by: Wilba on Mon, 09 January 2017, 06:34:18
Ah I see. When I get home, I'll take a look at that and see if I can bash-ify that.
LOL that's the easy bit. The zeal60.exe provided won't run under Linux. I need to build it using Linux libraries etc.
Post by: mll8394 on Tue, 10 January 2017, 05:30:10
But I need help about lubing switches.
1.) What are the main contact points for lubing both tactile and clicky switches(aristotle stems in this case) without reducing tactility?
2.) I also have Gateron Linear Clears switches w/60g springs which I also plan to lube, is it bad to use the GH V4 Thick lube on these? are the thick lubes only meant for tactile/clicky switches?
3.) My goal for lubing switches is to achieve that buttery smooth feel without losing/reducing tactility and no ping noise from the spring. Really hate those pinging sounds.
Any help and replies would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for all the questions but this is my first custom keyboard build and I don't want to mess this up.
Thanks ;D :D
Post by: eeymiel on Tue, 10 January 2017, 14:29:17
I've created a pull request for a Linux version: https://github.com/Wilba6582/zeal60/pull/1 :DBuild my Zeal60 this weekend, really liking it so far ;D
But is there source code for the zeal60 tool, and or a Linux version?
EDIT: nvm found it: https://github.com/Wilba6582/zeal60
No Linux version yet, but the code was written to compile under Linux (and OSX). I'm hoping someone will volunteer to get it building on Linux ;D
Yes, I know it's kind of ironic that I made the zeal60 tool like a UNIX-style command line tool, build firmware in Linux shells, but don't run Linux as an OS.:p
Post by: toneman77 on Tue, 10 January 2017, 15:11:33
Hmm. I was able to to compile without any modifications. I just ranI've created a pull request for a Linux version: https://github.com/Wilba6582/zeal60/pull/1 :DBuild my Zeal60 this weekend, really liking it so far ;D
But is there source code for the zeal60 tool, and or a Linux version?
EDIT: nvm found it: https://github.com/Wilba6582/zeal60
No Linux version yet, but the code was written to compile under Linux (and OSX). I'm hoping someone will volunteer to get it building on Linux ;D
Yes, I know it's kind of ironic that I made the zeal60 tool like a UNIX-style command line tool, build firmware in Linux shells, but don't run Linux as an OS.:p
Code: [Select]
make KEYMAP=defaultin the .../qmk_firmware/keyboard/zeal60 folder and got the resulting hex file in the qmk_firmware folder. Building and automatically flashing with
Code: [Select]
sudo make KEYMAP=default dfu(change "default" to whatever keymap you want to build/flash)
Keep in mind: I built under ubuntu, maybe your arch needed some more stuff.
Post by: joey on Tue, 10 January 2017, 15:15:12
This is about the GUI, not the QMK firmware.Hmm. I was able to to compile without any modifications. I just ranI've created a pull request for a Linux version: https://github.com/Wilba6582/zeal60/pull/1 :DBuild my Zeal60 this weekend, really liking it so far ;D
But is there source code for the zeal60 tool, and or a Linux version?
EDIT: nvm found it: https://github.com/Wilba6582/zeal60
No Linux version yet, but the code was written to compile under Linux (and OSX). I'm hoping someone will volunteer to get it building on Linux ;D
Yes, I know it's kind of ironic that I made the zeal60 tool like a UNIX-style command line tool, build firmware in Linux shells, but don't run Linux as an OS.:pCode: [Select]make KEYMAP=default
in the .../qmk_firmware/keyboard/zeal60 folder and got the resulting hex file in the qmk_firmware folder. Building and automatically flashing withCode: [Select]sudo make KEYMAP=default dfu
(change "default" to whatever keymap you want to build/flash)
Keep in mind: I built under ubuntu, maybe your arch needed some more stuff.
Post by: toneman77 on Tue, 10 January 2017, 15:17:03
Ah ok. my fault.This is about the GUI, not the QMK firmware.Hmm. I was able to to compile without any modifications. I just ranI've created a pull request for a Linux version: https://github.com/Wilba6582/zeal60/pull/1 :DBuild my Zeal60 this weekend, really liking it so far ;D
But is there source code for the zeal60 tool, and or a Linux version?
EDIT: nvm found it: https://github.com/Wilba6582/zeal60
No Linux version yet, but the code was written to compile under Linux (and OSX). I'm hoping someone will volunteer to get it building on Linux ;D
Yes, I know it's kind of ironic that I made the zeal60 tool like a UNIX-style command line tool, build firmware in Linux shells, but don't run Linux as an OS.:pCode: [Select]make KEYMAP=default
in the .../qmk_firmware/keyboard/zeal60 folder and got the resulting hex file in the qmk_firmware folder. Building and automatically flashing withCode: [Select]sudo make KEYMAP=default dfu
(change "default" to whatever keymap you want to build/flash)
Keep in mind: I built under ubuntu, maybe your arch needed some more stuff.
Nice.
Post by: dakisback on Tue, 10 January 2017, 15:51:38
No need to apologize. I expect it to be rather impossible to satisfy anything and everyone. I am deeply impressed so far. And that you used QMK (instead of tmk) is the added bonus for me! (I did AMJ60 and Satan GH60 iso_split_rshift).
What is "iso_split_rshift"? Is that the name for 1U+1.75U instead of 1.75U+1U (HHKB-like Shift+Fn)?And now for something completely different: You plan your fork to being merged upstream in the future?
Well the plan is for that to happen eventually... it's never going to be a completely separate fork like QMK was to TMK... it's just my working "branch". It's more convenient during this stage of development to keep things under my control, instantly publish latest source, and not have to bother with pull requests to the master every time I want to publish, and handle pull requests to Zeal60 specific changes to me vs. through the master.
For most people it won't make much difference, since a) I'll keep my fork up to date with QMK master and b) the goal is to have a GUI for changing keymaps and backlight configuration so most end users will never need to build QMK themselves.
FWIW if any Zeal60 users are reading this, feel free to give me feedback and suggestions ;D
Hi Wilba,
Is there anyway you can add a toggle to change the Caps Lock LED red(or configurable) when caps lock is enabled? I think that would be super helpful.
Thanks!
Post by: Dominathan on Tue, 10 January 2017, 16:45:45
Hi Wilba,
Is there anyway you can add a toggle to change the Caps Lock LED red(or configurable) when caps lock is enabled? I think that would be super helpful.
Thanks!
We definitely need something here. Maybe make the capslock the opposite color of what it was assigned? So if supposed to be FF0000 it was 00FFFF? That would be kinda cool.
Post by: Wilba on Tue, 10 January 2017, 18:35:54
Hi Wilba,
Is there anyway you can add a toggle to change the Caps Lock LED red(or configurable) when caps lock is enabled? I think that would be super helpful.
Thanks!
We definitely need something here. Maybe make the capslock the opposite color of what it was assigned? So if supposed to be FF0000 it was 00FFFF? That would be kinda cool.
Doing one-off patches to do what you want is easy.
Coming up with a flexible way to let anyone do what they want (via the PC app) is hard.
I'm going to define something like an "indicator LED"... it will have location (in switch matrix), the effect (a color or color effect), and the state it's tracking (Caps Lock, Fn1 layer, etc.)
Post by: nugglets on Tue, 10 January 2017, 20:31:42
Hi Wilba,
Is there anyway you can add a toggle to change the Caps Lock LED red(or configurable) when caps lock is enabled? I think that would be super helpful.
Thanks!
We definitely need something here. Maybe make the capslock the opposite color of what it was assigned? So if supposed to be FF0000 it was 00FFFF? That would be kinda cool.
Doing one-off patches to do what you want is easy.
Coming up with a flexible way to let anyone do what they want (via the PC app) is hard.
I'm going to define something like an "indicator LED"... it will have location (in switch matrix), the effect (a color or color effect), and the state it's tracking (Caps Lock, Fn1 layer, etc.)
This sounds cool, being able to assign different color effects to the indicators. The ps2avr firmware has a "reverse" option that I really like, incorporating that into your idea could be pretty cool too.
Post by: Brammm87 on Wed, 11 January 2017, 04:24:07
Hi Wilba,
Is there anyway you can add a toggle to change the Caps Lock LED red(or configurable) when caps lock is enabled? I think that would be super helpful.
Thanks!
Oh man, can't wait to experiment with this. I love the idea of being to light up specific keys that are part of a function layer for example. And the toggle on caps lock is super nice as well :D
We definitely need something here. Maybe make the capslock the opposite color of what it was assigned? So if supposed to be FF0000 it was 00FFFF? That would be kinda cool.
Doing one-off patches to do what you want is easy.
Coming up with a flexible way to let anyone do what they want (via the PC app) is hard.
I'm going to define something like an "indicator LED"... it will have location (in switch matrix), the effect (a color or color effect), and the state it's tracking (Caps Lock, Fn1 layer, etc.)
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 11 January 2017, 07:34:23
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 12 January 2017, 23:44:40
I know it's late to post this but I got all of my R4 loot. Came in a really solid box and arrived safely. Awesome work as always :thumb: ;D
But I need help about lubing switches.
1.) What are the main contact points for lubing both tactile and clicky switches(aristotle stems in this case) without reducing tactility?
2.) I also have Gateron Linear Clears switches w/60g springs which I also plan to lube, is it bad to use the GH V4 Thick lube on these? are the thick lubes only meant for tactile/clicky switches?
3.) My goal for lubing switches is to achieve that buttery smooth feel without losing/reducing tactility and no ping noise from the spring. Really hate those pinging sounds.
Any help and replies would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for all the questions but this is my first custom keyboard build and I don't want to mess this up.
Thanks ;D :D
Sorry about late reply, been busy packing away orders.
1) For tactile switches, I recommend lubing pretty much every surface of the stem, except for the tactile legs. Front rectangle above the legs, side rails, back, quick swirl on the pole. Don't forget to lube the switch bottom guiding rails & spring inside and out lightly. There's really no proper guide, as everyone has different tastes when it comes to lubing. You really have to experiment with a few switches to see what you like personally. As for Clicky switches (Zealiostotles), no lube is required. Getting lube in the wrong places will kill / dampen the click.
2) V4 Thick lube might be a bit too thick for linears. You can try experimenting a very thin layer on the stem (same guide as tactiles, but lube the linear legs). See how you like it, and if it feels sluggish or not.
3) If you perform your lube job properly, you'll get a buttery smooth feel and dampened switches.
Post by: itskuroi on Fri, 13 January 2017, 00:10:36
I know it's late to post this but I got all of my R4 loot. Came in a really solid box and arrived safely. Awesome work as always :thumb: ;D
But I need help about lubing switches.
1.) What are the main contact points for lubing both tactile and clicky switches(aristotle stems in this case) without reducing tactility?
2.) I also have Gateron Linear Clears switches w/60g springs which I also plan to lube, is it bad to use the GH V4 Thick lube on these? are the thick lubes only meant for tactile/clicky switches?
3.) My goal for lubing switches is to achieve that buttery smooth feel without losing/reducing tactility and no ping noise from the spring. Really hate those pinging sounds.
Any help and replies would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for all the questions but this is my first custom keyboard build and I don't want to mess this up.
Thanks ;D :D
Sorry about late reply, been busy packing away orders.
1) For tactile switches, I recommend lubing pretty much every surface of the stem, except for the tactile legs. Front rectangle above the legs, side rails, back, quick swirl on the pole. Don't forget to lube the switch bottom guiding rails & spring inside and out lightly. There's really no proper guide, as everyone has different tastes when it comes to lubing. You really have to experiment with a few switches to see what you like personally. As for Clicky switches (Zealiostotles), no lube is required. Getting lube in the wrong places will kill / dampen the click.
2) V4 Thick lube might be a bit too thick for linears. You can try experimenting a very thin layer on the stem (same guide as tactiles, but lube the linear legs). See how you like it, and if it feels sluggish or not.
3) If you perform your lube job properly, you'll get a buttery smooth feel and dampened switches.
Used thick lube on Gateron blacks, and couldn't feel any sluggishness, I actually preferred it over thin lube, as it silenced the switch a lot more than I thought it would, and provided me with a fantastic switch!
Post by: mll8394 on Fri, 13 January 2017, 05:07:58
I know it's late to post this but I got all of my R4 loot. Came in a really solid box and arrived safely. Awesome work as always :thumb: ;D
But I need help about lubing switches.
1.) What are the main contact points for lubing both tactile and clicky switches(aristotle stems in this case) without reducing tactility?
2.) I also have Gateron Linear Clears switches w/60g springs which I also plan to lube, is it bad to use the GH V4 Thick lube on these? are the thick lubes only meant for tactile/clicky switches?
3.) My goal for lubing switches is to achieve that buttery smooth feel without losing/reducing tactility and no ping noise from the spring. Really hate those pinging sounds.
Any help and replies would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for all the questions but this is my first custom keyboard build and I don't want to mess this up.
Thanks ;D :D
Sorry about late reply, been busy packing away orders.
1) For tactile switches, I recommend lubing pretty much every surface of the stem, except for the tactile legs. Front rectangle above the legs, side rails, back, quick swirl on the pole. Don't forget to lube the switch bottom guiding rails & spring inside and out lightly. There's really no proper guide, as everyone has different tastes when it comes to lubing. You really have to experiment with a few switches to see what you like personally. As for Clicky switches (Zealiostotles), no lube is required. Getting lube in the wrong places will kill / dampen the click.
2) V4 Thick lube might be a bit too thick for linears. You can try experimenting a very thin layer on the stem (same guide as tactiles, but lube the linear legs). See how you like it, and if it feels sluggish or not.
3) If you perform your lube job properly, you'll get a buttery smooth feel and dampened switches.
Thanks! I'll start working on it asap. Loving all of it except for the stabs only because I don't have a board that uses cherry stabs as of now yet lol. Any updates on that weaven GB? Been wanting to buy the slots of the participants that are selling theirs.
Post by: mll8394 on Fri, 13 January 2017, 05:10:45
I know it's late to post this but I got all of my R4 loot. Came in a really solid box and arrived safely. Awesome work as always :thumb: ;D
But I need help about lubing switches.
1.) What are the main contact points for lubing both tactile and clicky switches(aristotle stems in this case) without reducing tactility?
2.) I also have Gateron Linear Clears switches w/60g springs which I also plan to lube, is it bad to use the GH V4 Thick lube on these? are the thick lubes only meant for tactile/clicky switches?
3.) My goal for lubing switches is to achieve that buttery smooth feel without losing/reducing tactility and no ping noise from the spring. Really hate those pinging sounds.
Any help and replies would be greatly appreciated. Sorry for all the questions but this is my first custom keyboard build and I don't want to mess this up.
Thanks ;D :D
Sorry about late reply, been busy packing away orders.
1) For tactile switches, I recommend lubing pretty much every surface of the stem, except for the tactile legs. Front rectangle above the legs, side rails, back, quick swirl on the pole. Don't forget to lube the switch bottom guiding rails & spring inside and out lightly. There's really no proper guide, as everyone has different tastes when it comes to lubing. You really have to experiment with a few switches to see what you like personally. As for Clicky switches (Zealiostotles), no lube is required. Getting lube in the wrong places will kill / dampen the click.
2) V4 Thick lube might be a bit too thick for linears. You can try experimenting a very thin layer on the stem (same guide as tactiles, but lube the linear legs). See how you like it, and if it feels sluggish or not.
3) If you perform your lube job properly, you'll get a buttery smooth feel and dampened switches.
Used thick lube on Gateron blacks, and couldn't feel any sluggishness, I actually preferred it over thin lube, as it silenced the switch a lot more than I thought it would, and provided me with a fantastic switch!
Nice. Might be a nice alternative for silencing switches haha ;D Thanks for the tip. I'm gonna try this as well. Too bad I don't have a thin lube available for comparison though. :'(
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sat, 14 January 2017, 08:38:10
Hey Zeal,
Got my switches and stabs and love them - sorry if you've been asked this 1000x aleady, but when will a R2 for the PCB happen?
Late Jan/early Feb.
Can't wait to get my hands on a zeal 60.
Will the pcb be available in colors besides purple tho Zeal?
While I like purple on the switches since it makes the stems pop, I'm really not a fan of the purple pcb.
Purple pcb can also clash with the color of some cases, and while you don't usually see the pcb my OCD would still go crazy about that.
A second color option like white or black would be awesome.
White pcb with purple prints would actually match the zealio aesthetic perfectly imo =)
Post by: hervuli on Sat, 14 January 2017, 11:09:58
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 14 January 2017, 16:35:02
Has anyone used a clear or frosted acrylic plate with a Zeal60 PCB? Trying to decide whether that would be awesome with the LEDs or too much, without enough differentiation between individual switch LEDs.
I haven't personally tested it, but I can imagine the whole plate will be diffused if you go with a frosted plate. Just make sure your acrylic has the appropriate clearance for screw in stabilizers if you decide to pick a set up.
Hey Zeal,
Got my switches and stabs and love them - sorry if you've been asked this 1000x aleady, but when will a R2 for the PCB happen?
Late Jan/early Feb.
Can't wait to get my hands on a zeal 60.
Will the pcb be available in colors besides purple tho Zeal?
While I like purple on the switches since it makes the stems pop, I'm really not a fan of the purple pcb.
Purple pcb can also clash with the color of some cases, and while you don't usually see the pcb my OCD would still go crazy about that.
A second color option like white or black would be awesome.
White pcb with purple prints would actually match the zealio aesthetic perfectly imo =)
At this time, there aren't any plans to offer the Zeal60 PCB in any other colour but purple, sorry. :(
I've also just listed a very limited amount of backup Zeal60s as available for retail price. For those that don't want to wait for the R2 Zeal60 shipping schedule.
Post by: Wilba on Sat, 14 January 2017, 19:10:27
Has anyone used a clear or frosted acrylic plate with a Zeal60 PCB? Trying to decide whether that would be awesome with the LEDs or too much, without enough differentiation between individual switch LEDs.
I haven't tried an acrylic plate yet, but I think you will still get the light under the switch being of one color, and the color between switches will be as much a blend between the two as what happens with silver coated plates (or any other plate). Basically an acrylic plate can't change the color of the light coming out of the switch itself.
The lighting effects I wrote are mostly based around gradient blends between colors, so I'm sure it will look good.
Post by: Dominathan on Sun, 15 January 2017, 14:31:06
Has anyone used a clear or frosted acrylic plate with a Zeal60 PCB? Trying to decide whether that would be awesome with the LEDs or too much, without enough differentiation between individual switch LEDs.
I tried finding a clear acrylic plate, but I couldn't find any. I ended up going plateless instead. I was going to end up making one.
Post by: menuhin on Sun, 15 January 2017, 14:40:07
MoreI've also just listed a very limited amount of backup Zeal60s as available for retail price. For those that don't want to wait for the R2 Zeal60 shipping schedule.Has anyone used a clear or frosted acrylic plate with a Zeal60 PCB? Trying to decide whether that would be awesome with the LEDs or too much, without enough differentiation between individual switch LEDs.
I haven't personally tested it, but I can imagine the whole plate will be diffused if you go with a frosted plate. Just make sure your acrylic has the appropriate clearance for screw in stabilizers if you decide to pick a set up.Hey Zeal,
Got my switches and stabs and love them - sorry if you've been asked this 1000x aleady, but when will a R2 for the PCB happen?
Late Jan/early Feb.
Can't wait to get my hands on a zeal 60.
Will the pcb be available in colors besides purple tho Zeal?
While I like purple on the switches since it makes the stems pop, I'm really not a fan of the purple pcb.
Purple pcb can also clash with the color of some cases, and while you don't usually see the pcb my OCD would still go crazy about that.
A second color option like white or black would be awesome.
White pcb with purple prints would actually match the zealio aesthetic perfectly imo =)
At this time, there aren't any plans to offer the Zeal60 PCB in any other colour but purple, sorry. :(
When the R2 schedule will be? Q3 2017?
Will the future revision support split-space bar? e.g. 2.25 + 1.25 + 2.75
Post by: hervuli on Sun, 15 January 2017, 18:12:44
Has anyone used a clear or frosted acrylic plate with a Zeal60 PCB? Trying to decide whether that would be awesome with the LEDs or too much, without enough differentiation between individual switch LEDs.
I tried finding a clear acrylic plate, but I couldn't find any. I ended up going plateless instead. I was going to end up making one.
LeandreN/Mekanisk has both clear and frosted acrylic plates in stock. They are 5mm thick, not sure if they'll be compatible with the screw-in stabs.
Post by: clankgy1 on Sun, 15 January 2017, 18:44:55
I've also just listed a very limited amount of backup Zeal60s as available for retail price. For those that don't want to wait for the R2 Zeal60 shipping schedule.
Swing and a miss, almost got one :)
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 15 January 2017, 22:38:05
MoreI've also just listed a very limited amount of backup Zeal60s as available for retail price. For those that don't want to wait for the R2 Zeal60 shipping schedule.Has anyone used a clear or frosted acrylic plate with a Zeal60 PCB? Trying to decide whether that would be awesome with the LEDs or too much, without enough differentiation between individual switch LEDs.
I haven't personally tested it, but I can imagine the whole plate will be diffused if you go with a frosted plate. Just make sure your acrylic has the appropriate clearance for screw in stabilizers if you decide to pick a set up.Hey Zeal,
Got my switches and stabs and love them - sorry if you've been asked this 1000x aleady, but when will a R2 for the PCB happen?
Late Jan/early Feb.
Can't wait to get my hands on a zeal 60.
Will the pcb be available in colors besides purple tho Zeal?
While I like purple on the switches since it makes the stems pop, I'm really not a fan of the purple pcb.
Purple pcb can also clash with the color of some cases, and while you don't usually see the pcb my OCD would still go crazy about that.
A second color option like white or black would be awesome.
White pcb with purple prints would actually match the zealio aesthetic perfectly imo =)
At this time, there aren't any plans to offer the Zeal60 PCB in any other colour but purple, sorry. :(
When the R2 schedule will be? Q3 2017?
Will the future revision support split-space bar? e.g. 2.25 + 1.25 + 2.75
R2 Zeal60s will be sold along with R5 Zealios around early Feb. Fulfillment estimate is April/May.
Currently no plans on offering split shift for the time being. Will keep it in consideration if anything changes.
Post by: breckstar on Mon, 16 January 2017, 16:07:14
Has anyone used a clear or frosted acrylic plate with a Zeal60 PCB? Trying to decide whether that would be awesome with the LEDs or too much, without enough differentiation between individual switch LEDs.I used WKL b.face case. I think it turned out nicely. (http://i.imgur.com/1bhY9fx.jpg)
Post by: Aperture_Sci on Mon, 16 January 2017, 18:57:07
I just finished my build with the R4 Zeal 67g switches and they are amazing. I also bought a ZZ96 recently and want to use your 65g switches in it. On your site, I see it says R4.5 is GB/ Pre Order.
Is this updated? Are they in stock or is this another group buy? I need about 100 of them.
Post by: hervuli on Mon, 16 January 2017, 19:56:09
Has anyone used a clear or frosted acrylic plate with a Zeal60 PCB? Trying to decide whether that would be awesome with the LEDs or too much, without enough differentiation between individual switch LEDs.I used WKL b.face case. I think it turned out nicely.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1bhY9fx.jpg)
That's beautiful! Thanks :)
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 16 January 2017, 20:15:12
Hey Zeal,
I just finished my build with the R4 Zeal 67g switches and they are amazing. I also bought a ZZ96 recently and want to use your 65g switches in it. On your site, I see it says R4.5 is GB/ Pre Order.
Is this updated? Are they in stock or is this another group buy? I need about 100 of them.
It's a pre-order that has extra stock. You can buy in and should receive a shipping notification within a week.
Post by: Aperture_Sci on Mon, 16 January 2017, 21:54:37
Post by: satricion on Sun, 22 January 2017, 04:05:50
Sorry about late reply, been busy packing away orders.
1) For tactile switches, I recommend lubing pretty much every surface of the stem, except for the tactile legs. Front rectangle above the legs, side rails, back, quick swirl on the pole. Don't forget to lube the switch bottom guiding rails & spring inside and out lightly. There's really no proper guide, as everyone has different tastes when it comes to lubing. You really have to experiment with a few switches to see what you like personally. As for Clicky switches (Zealiostotles), no lube is required. Getting lube in the wrong places will kill / dampen the click.
2) V4 Thick lube might be a bit too thick for linears. You can try experimenting a very thin layer on the stem (same guide as tactiles, but lube the linear legs). See how you like it, and if it feels sluggish or not.
3) If you perform your lube job properly, you'll get a buttery smooth feel and dampened switches.
Is there a particular brand of thin lube that you would recommend on zealios?
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 22 January 2017, 04:45:34
Sorry about late reply, been busy packing away orders.
1) For tactile switches, I recommend lubing pretty much every surface of the stem, except for the tactile legs. Front rectangle above the legs, side rails, back, quick swirl on the pole. Don't forget to lube the switch bottom guiding rails & spring inside and out lightly. There's really no proper guide, as everyone has different tastes when it comes to lubing. You really have to experiment with a few switches to see what you like personally. As for Clicky switches (Zealiostotles), no lube is required. Getting lube in the wrong places will kill / dampen the click.
2) V4 Thick lube might be a bit too thick for linears. You can try experimenting a very thin layer on the stem (same guide as tactiles, but lube the linear legs). See how you like it, and if it feels sluggish or not.
3) If you perform your lube job properly, you'll get a buttery smooth feel and dampened switches.
Is there a particular brand of thin lube that you would recommend on zealios?
For Zealios, you'd want to pick up thick lube. I personally recommend the GH V4 thick lube sold on my site. Works for tactile switches, stabilizers and springs.
Post by: gandroider on Sun, 22 January 2017, 22:05:00
When will be the next batch? Thanks
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 23 January 2017, 00:39:03
Is there any 78g for sale? I've visited zealpc.net but it's already sold out.
When will be the next batch? Thanks
Pretty much sold out.
Next R5 will happen late January/early February.
Post by: asgeirtj on Mon, 23 January 2017, 02:27:28
Is there any 78g for sale? I've visited zealpc.net but it's already sold out.
When will be the next batch? Thanks
Pretty much sold out.
Next R5 will happen late January/early February.
Will R5 be any different from r4?
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 23 January 2017, 02:41:55
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 23 January 2017, 03:55:12
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 23 January 2017, 03:55:49
Might I suggest a bigger limit on the PCBs though...?
Won't be limited like the initial run.
Post by: Wilba on Mon, 23 January 2017, 04:19:53
Might I suggest a bigger limit on the PCBs though...?
Won't be limited like the initial run.
As a safety precaution to keep Zeal sane, I might veto anything over 1,000 PCBs ;D
Post by: dakisback on Mon, 23 January 2017, 09:15:32
Post by: Wilba on Mon, 23 January 2017, 18:08:59
How's the PCB firmware coming? Haven't heard much in a little while.
The firmware is stable, no immediate need for changes. The future development will be making a GUI-based app to configure keymaps and LED colors.
Post by: dakisback on Mon, 23 January 2017, 19:44:51
How's the PCB firmware coming? Haven't heard much in a little while.
The firmware is stable, no immediate need for changes. The future development will be making a GUI-based app to configure keymaps and LED colors.
It's pretty annoying that we can't tell if caps lock is on...
Post by: Wilba on Mon, 23 January 2017, 20:03:38
How's the PCB firmware coming? Haven't heard much in a little while.
The firmware is stable, no immediate need for changes. The future development will be making a GUI-based app to configure keymaps and LED colors.
It's pretty annoying that we can't tell if caps lock is on...
I CAN TELL WHEN CAPS LOCK IS ON... ALL MY LETTERS COME OUT AS CAPITALS AND THEN I SAY TO MYSELF, SELF, HOW THE HELL DID YOU TURN ON CAPS LOCK, YOU WOULD HAVE HAD TO PRESS SOME COMBO, WAS IT FN + TAB? aww yiss, thanks self, much better *whew* disaster avoided someone on the internet might have thought i was angry and shouting.
Post by: Wilba on Mon, 23 January 2017, 22:02:48
How's the PCB firmware coming? Haven't heard much in a little while.
The firmware is stable, no immediate need for changes. The future development will be making a GUI-based app to configure keymaps and LED colors.
It's pretty annoying that we can't tell if caps lock is on...
@dakisback Next release of the firmware will have a "Caps Lock" indicator setting (switch location, color). It will override whatever backlight mode is active.
Post by: Aperture_Sci on Mon, 23 January 2017, 23:15:29
I put an order in last week Monday and never got a shipping notification - was for 100 gold LED's and 100 65g zealios. Just wanted to confirm they're in stock and will be shipping sometime soon. No rush, just want to make sure I'll get them before the next GB. :P
Post by: dakisback on Tue, 24 January 2017, 09:40:05
How's the PCB firmware coming? Haven't heard much in a little while.
The firmware is stable, no immediate need for changes. The future development will be making a GUI-based app to configure keymaps and LED colors.
It's pretty annoying that we can't tell if caps lock is on...
@dakisback Next release of the firmware will have a "Caps Lock" indicator setting (switch location, color). It will override whatever backlight mode is active.
Thanks! Super useful for me as I'm typing in password fields very often working in IT.
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 24 January 2017, 13:15:32
Hey Zeal,
I put an order in last week Monday and never got a shipping notification - was for 100 gold LED's and 100 65g zealios. Just wanted to confirm they're in stock and will be shipping sometime soon. No rush, just want to make sure I'll get them before the next GB. :P
Should have label printed today.
Post by: leang on Tue, 24 January 2017, 19:53:46
Has anyone used a clear or frosted acrylic plate with a Zeal60 PCB? Trying to decide whether that would be awesome with the LEDs or too much, without enough differentiation between individual switch LEDs.I used WKL b.face case. I think it turned out nicely.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1bhY9fx.jpg)
That's beautiful! Thanks :)
Here's another shot of the Zeal60 in a TEX acrylic case.
Post by: kconfire on Tue, 24 January 2017, 21:06:28
How much time do I have until I can still be squeezed into the R4 Zealios 65g?
I am about to order (probably) 200-300 of them soon..
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 24 January 2017, 22:37:55
Hi there,
How much time do I have until I can still be squeezed into the R4 Zealios 65g?
I am about to order (probably) 200-300 of them soon..
R4 has closed and is done shipping AFAIK. You will have to wait for R5 I believe
Post by: Wilba on Tue, 24 January 2017, 22:47:45
- More backlight effects and some fixes to existing ones. Color blending between two colors now uses saturation as well as hue.
- Set all backlight parameters via the .bat file, so you don't need to set them via the keyboard.
- Caps Lock/Fn layer indicators. Make one or all keys change to a color when Caps Lock is on, or you have a Fn layer active.
Post by: kmba on Tue, 24 January 2017, 23:22:24
Post by: leang on Tue, 24 January 2017, 23:23:54
Zeal60 v0.4 release is available now. Download (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/7329/files/zeal60_v0_4.zip)
- More backlight effects and some fixes to existing ones. Color blending between two colors now uses saturation as well as hue.
- Set all backlight parameters via the .bat file, so you don't need to set them via the keyboard.
- Caps Lock/Fn layer indicators. Make one or all keys change to a color when Caps Lock is on, or you have a Fn layer active.
Oooh, I like the new effects! Especially the potential of FN layer indicators. Are there any places online where people are sharing code for backlight effects?
Post by: Dominathan on Tue, 24 January 2017, 23:31:14
Post by: leang on Tue, 24 January 2017, 23:53:42
Code: [Select]
layer_1_indicator_color=360,100,100 ^
layer_1_indicator_row_col=0,2 ^But no luck. As far as I can tell, it's following the example in the readme. Any tips?
Post by: kconfire on Wed, 25 January 2017, 00:08:55
Hi there,
How much time do I have until I can still be squeezed into the R4 Zealios 65g?
I am about to order (probably) 200-300 of them soon..
R4 has closed and is done shipping AFAIK. You will have to wait for R5 I believe
Ah, okay. :(
Thought I could order since the website did not say they're out of stock.
Thanks!
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 25 January 2017, 01:13:14
Hi there,
How much time do I have until I can still be squeezed into the R4 Zealios 65g?
I am about to order (probably) 200-300 of them soon..
R4 has closed and is done shipping AFAIK. You will have to wait for R5 I believe
Ah, okay. :(
Thought I could order since the website did not say they're out of stock.
Thanks!
The site has R4.5 inventory in stock right now. Orders placed now will be shipped same day/next day. R5 will be trickling in at the end of the month/early February, but participants in that buy will have to wait until April/May possibly for their orders.
Any noticeable benefit to lubing zeal gold screw in stabs? I guess some super lube or zeal v4 couldn't hurt?
Lube makes everything better. GH V4 thick lube works great on the inserts/wire pivot point.
Post by: Gatix on Wed, 25 January 2017, 01:15:48
Zeal60 v0.4 release is available now. Download (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/7329/files/zeal60_v0_4.zip)
- More backlight effects and some fixes to existing ones. Color blending between two colors now uses saturation as well as hue.
- Set all backlight parameters via the .bat file, so you don't need to set them via the keyboard.
- Caps Lock/Fn layer indicators. Make one or all keys change to a color when Caps Lock is on, or you have a Fn layer active.
Layer color change is why I got the zeal60. Kudos to you guys for making this happen :thumb:
Post by: Mandeor on Wed, 25 January 2017, 12:43:15
1st post, so please be gently :p
First things first...very BIG kudos to Zeal and Wilba for making this happen!!!
After many keyboards I finally found my "endgame" keyboard. The Zeal60 in combination with Zealio/Zealencios exceeds all my expectations.
I'm even considering to retire my HHKB/Realforce.
So far I'm very pleased with the quality, the fast production and not to forget the constant status updates.
Now some feedback on the firmware. Even with some IT backround I am a bit intimidated to compile my own firmware (for now).
So its a big help for me, that Wilba already made a Windowsversion.
That said, I had some challenges making my layout happen:
1. FN_TT13 & FN_TT23 are not recognized as a known keycode:
"*** Error: Invalid keycode 'FN_TT13'"
2. Can't define the keys for the indicator leds (all/none switch is working)
*** Error: Invalid name/value 'caps_lock_indicator_row_col=0,0'
3. I put in the mouse keycodes, but it seems they don't work.
I have some suggestions, which would be nice to have (imho):
- A 2nd color and/or define multiple keys for the layer indicator leds, to highlight numpad etc.
- A ripple light effect
- 2nd Custom Key Colors (one default, one for "gaming")
After all, you made a great product guys.
To be frank, I am happy as a monkey with a peanut machine. :thumb:
Post by: Wilba on Wed, 25 January 2017, 20:30:17
- Fixed bugs in previous release
- Added "zeal60_mousekey.hex" for people that want QMK's "mousekey" functionality
1. FN_TT13 & FN_TT23 are not recognized as a known keycode:
"*** Error: Invalid keycode 'FN_TT13'"
FN_TT13 and FN_TT23 were in the original prototyping firmware and I stopped using them in favour of TT_MO12 and TT_MO23 (i.e. hold Fn1 and Fn2 to get layer 3). Much more ergo for me, I kept forgetting I had toggled on layer 3 and didn't notice until I typed an "e" ;-) They're now a valid keycode to use with the .bat files.
2. Can't define the keys for the indicator leds (all/none switch is working)
*** Error: Invalid name/value 'caps_lock_indicator_row_col=0,0'
I made a last minute change in parsing the row/column and forgot to test it, only tested the "all" and "none. Fixed.
3. I put in the mouse keycodes, but it seems they don't work.
I put the mouse keycodes in the tool, but you need QMK firmware to be built with the "mousekey" functionality enabled. I've added "zeal60_mousekey.hex" to the release. I don't really want to enable it by default because it takes quite a bit of extra flash memory and RAM, which I'd rather reserve for future Zeal60 features. So consider this firmware "experimental" for people to try if they want.
I have some suggestions, which would be nice to have (imho):
- A 2nd color and/or define multiple keys for the layer indicator leds, to highlight numpad etc.
- A ripple light effect
- 2nd Custom Key Colors (one default, one for "gaming")
I'll keep these in mind when developing new things.
Unfortunately, a 2nd set of custom key colors is not possible, as there's not enough room in the EEPROM - it's nearly full with the current settings, four keymaps and one set of custom key colors. If you really want two or more sets of custom key colors, use a .bat file for each. You can even run the .bat file before starting a game.
FWIW I am basically pushing the limits of what can be done with an ATMega32U4. Zeal60 was never intended to compete with "gaming keyboards" for visual effects, just be a high quality, open firmware, custom keyboard PCB that let you have configurable LED colors and some basic effects like gradients.
Post by: Mandeor on Thu, 26 January 2017, 14:16:05
Zeal60 v0.5 release is available now. Download (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0490/7329/files/zeal60_v0_5.zip)Wow, that was quick ; )
- Fixed bugs in previous release
- Added "zeal60_mousekey.hex" for people that want QMK's "mousekey" functionality
To be fair, mousekey was only something to fool around with. Now that I tried it, I'm in love with it. ;D
FN_TT13 and FN_TT23 were in the original prototyping firmware and I stopped using them in favour of TT_MO12 and TT_MO23 (i.e. hold Fn1 and Fn2 to get layer 3). Much more ergo for me, I kept forgetting I had toggled on layer 3 and didn't notice until I typed an "e" ;-) They're now a valid keycode to use with the .bat files.Works like a charm :D
FWIW I am basically pushing the limits of what can be done with an ATMega32U4.That's what I assumed after reading the specs of the controller.
Zeal60 was never intended to compete with "gaming keyboards" for visual effects, just be a high quality, open firmware, custom keyboard PCB that let you have configurable LED colors and some basic effects like gradients.And you
Some things I forgot to mention last night:
- Would it be much trouble to add a num/scroll lock indicator?
- Trible-tap for Layer 1/2?
To make it clear, I am very happy with the board as it is now. Everything else is just the icing on the cake.
Thanks for all the effort you put into this. :thumb:
Post by: Wilba on Thu, 26 January 2017, 17:04:03
Some things I forgot to mention last night:
- Would it be much trouble to add a num/scroll lock indicator?
- Trible-tap for Layer 1/2?
I thought I could save some EEPROM and not bother with numlock/scroll lock since they're hardly ever used.
Triple-tap for Layer 1/2 is easy to add. I assume you mean do the same thing as FN_TT13, hold for layer 1, triple-tap to toggle layer 2.
I'll add FN_TT12 next release.
FWIW it's easy to add more "stateless" features, like special key combos etc. Adding features that use stored "state" will take up limited EEPROM memory. There's only 1K of it and it's nearly full! I need to leave enough room for Zeal65, which has another 5 keys per keymap, 5 LEDs for the custom LED colors!
Post by: leang on Thu, 26 January 2017, 17:19:42
Post by: Wilba on Thu, 26 January 2017, 17:50:50
Hey, Wilba. Appreciate all the hard work. Right now, the options for layer indicators are for one specific LED, all, or none. Any way to pass multiple locations?
Not at this time... it would take up too much space in EEPROM. What do you want to do exactly? I could add other "named" locations like "mods", "alphas", etc. Or only indicate switches that are different in the active layer. Or do a whole row. Or some other preset group of LEDs.
Post by: leang on Thu, 26 January 2017, 18:07:58
Code: [Select]
layer_1_indicator_row_col=[0,2][3,13]That would also allow for some interesting layout lighting, say, for arrows or 10-key.
Post by: Wilba on Thu, 26 January 2017, 18:33:48
In my keymap, I have both capslock and split-rshift mapped to FN1. Layer indicator is set to turn capslock to red, and it works great, but it would be nice if both capslock AND split-rshift both turned red. I was thinking that it could be possible to pass multiple row/col pairs. Something like:Code: [Select]layer_1_indicator_row_col=[0,2][3,13]
That would also allow for some interesting layout lighting, say, for arrows or 10-key.
Yeah I would like to do that, but storing multiple switch locations would take up too much room in EEPROM. Best case scenario is storing 72 "bits" like I do with the mods/alphas keymap.
However, your use case could be handled... I'll look into a way of turning on the LEDs for all keys that can make that layer active, and you can use a special name like "activators" instead of a list of row/column pairs.
Post by: leang on Thu, 26 January 2017, 18:53:57
In my keymap, I have both capslock and split-rshift mapped to FN1. Layer indicator is set to turn capslock to red, and it works great, but it would be nice if both capslock AND split-rshift both turned red. I was thinking that it could be possible to pass multiple row/col pairs. Something like:Code: [Select]layer_1_indicator_row_col=[0,2][3,13]
That would also allow for some interesting layout lighting, say, for arrows or 10-key.
Yeah I would like to do that, but storing multiple switch locations would take up too much room in EEPROM. Best case scenario is storing 72 "bits" like I do with the mods/alphas keymap.
However, your use case could be handled... I'll look into a way of turning on the LEDs for all keys that can make that layer active, and you can use a special name like "activators" instead of a list of row/column pairs.
Post by: Wilba on Thu, 26 January 2017, 19:26:01
That's quite the limitation! I wouldn't worry too much about my specific scenario. Not sure how helpful it'll be to most people, and it would take up valuable space in EEPROM. I can get around that by using the spacebar LED the universal layer notification. Layer 1 will make spacebar red, layer 2 will make spacebar blue, and layer 3 will make spacebar purple (if it doesn't do weird things to the RGB controls). Perks of an acrylic case is that the R1 LEDs are really really prominent, and the effect is more subtle then all LEDs, but still nice.
Yeah, I made sure if the spacebar LED is the indicator, the stabs will also light up as well ;-)
I will do some more in this area... I'm thinking about the backlight effects that are there having an "indicator" mode. Rather than indicators being an overlay on top of what the backlight effect is doing, I could make each backlight effect do a different thing when an indicator is active, e.g. gradients get inverted, color 1/2 get swapped, etc.
Post by: Mandeor on Fri, 27 January 2017, 11:50:49
I thought I could save some EEPROM and not bother with numlock/scroll lock since they're hardly ever used.I'm working in 2nd level-support, so in some cases it would be very convinient to have those leds. But I understand your point in saving EEPROM space, considering how less people use them.
Triple-tap for Layer 1/2 is easy to add. I assume you mean do the same thing as FN_TT13, hold for layer 1, triple-tap to toggle layer 2.Exactly, that would be a wonderful addition (for me).
I'll add FN_TT12 next release.
... Or only indicate switches that are different in the active layer...Would that be possible without burning too much EEPROM space? Very interested in that option.
In the end it's your decision, what gets in to manage the limited space available. I'm fine with that.
If I REALLY need a super special feature, well then I have to move my lazy a** and make my own firmware.
Thanks again.
Post by: breckstar on Sat, 28 January 2017, 08:00:13
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 28 January 2017, 11:02:54
I haven't updated to 0.5 yet but is there is a way to make the last color (random colors) to the raindrop mode? Adding in variable brightness and color? Just curious :)
Raindrop mode is in V0.5. :)
Post by: Skuloth on Mon, 30 January 2017, 08:56:39
Post by: leang on Mon, 30 January 2017, 11:36:46
Where are people sourcing plates for zeal 60s from?
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 30 January 2017, 12:19:37
Where are people sourcing plates for zeal 60s from?
Any standard 60% plate works. :)
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R5 GB has also launched, pending approval in GB forums. Zeal60 is back, this time w/o limited quantities.
Post by: leang on Mon, 30 January 2017, 12:25:31
Where are people sourcing plates for zeal 60s from?
Any standard 60% plate works. :)
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R5 GB has also launched, pending approval in GB forums. Zeal60 is back, this time w/o limited quantities.
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 30 January 2017, 14:16:15
Where are people sourcing plates for zeal 60s from?
Any standard 60% plate works. :)
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R5 GB has also launched, pending approval in GB forums. Zeal60 is back, this time w/o limited quantities.
So, I'm a bit strapped for funds since I've bought 3 boards this month already :(
Does this mean that I could join the GB on Feb 26th and still get it in April-May?
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 30 January 2017, 15:13:18
Where are people sourcing plates for zeal 60s from?
Any standard 60% plate works. :)
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R5 GB has also launched, pending approval in GB forums. Zeal60 is back, this time w/o limited quantities.
So, I'm a bit strapped for funds since I've bought 3 boards this month already :(
Does this mean that I could join the GB on Feb 26th and still get it in April-May?
Yes, though GB end date is subject to change depending on time slots with manufacturers. Will try to keep it open for as long as possible of course.
Post by: breckstar on Wed, 01 February 2017, 09:13:06
I haven't updated to 0.5 yet but is there is a way to make the last color (random colors) to the raindrop mode? Adding in variable brightness and color? Just curious :)
Raindrop mode is in V0.5. :)
Woohoo *high 5* now for that 65 to come out
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 01 February 2017, 11:39:46
I did have an issue with my particular board, a GH60 Satan RevCHN (the cheap clone GH60s on ebay). These boards are built for flexible layout and have a lot of extra holes to account for that. The screw for the right stabilizer post on the enter key makes contact with one of the switch pads on the back, causing they keyboard to register Backspace, / , Enter, Shift, and right Control. It's an easy fix with some tape to stop the contact, but just thought I would leave a note here for anyone experiencing issues.
Not my original photo, but I've circled everywhere you screw in the stabilizers on the Satan board (Green makes contact with leds which shouldn't cause issues, but red shows where trouble could occur)
[attach=1]
And here is a closeup of where I had issues on the Enter key stabilizer:
[attachimg=2]
I guess that is an ISO hole? Anyway, when the screw made contact here, it caused the board to register a lot of key presses and basically not work. Simple fix was to put some tape over that hole before I screwed in the stabilizer. Worked!
Great work on these, zeal. I plan to order 2 more sets!
Post by: TheNamesTy45 on Wed, 01 February 2017, 17:03:59
Post by: dubious on Wed, 01 February 2017, 17:32:39
That's quite the limitation! I wouldn't worry too much about my specific scenario. Not sure how helpful it'll be to most people, and it would take up valuable space in EEPROM. I can get around that by using the spacebar LED the universal layer notification. Layer 1 will make spacebar red, layer 2 will make spacebar blue, and layer 3 will make spacebar purple (if it doesn't do weird things to the RGB controls). Perks of an acrylic case is that the R1 LEDs are really really prominent, and the effect is more subtle then all LEDs, but still nice.
Yeah, I made sure if the spacebar LED is the indicator, the stabs will also light up as well ;-)
I will do some more in this area... I'm thinking about the backlight effects that are there having an "indicator" mode. Rather than indicators being an overlay on top of what the backlight effect is doing, I could make each backlight effect do a different thing when an indicator is active, e.g. gradients get inverted, color 1/2 get swapped, etc.
I love the idea of having the 'back-lighting' act as a layer/mode indicator, instead of single LEDs. Something I've thought about for awhile, I think it would look really cool in action. :cool: :p
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 01 February 2017, 20:27:00
I guess that is an ISO hole? Anyway, when the screw made contact here, it caused the board to register a lot of key presses and basically not work. Simple fix was to put some tape over that hole before I screwed in the stabilizer. Worked!
Great work on these, zeal. I plan to order 2 more sets!
Unfortunately due to the way some PCBs are designed, there's a possibility of the screw grounding a whole column making the board cause the issues you've described. The solution would be to use a small piece of paper/tape. Zeal60 was designed around the stabilizers to work without issues.
But the upside is that the stabilizers will literally never pop out of your PCB...
Ah, Zeal, I just want to say thanks! I have a Zeal60 and some 67G sitting in my cart. There are two voices speaking. Number 1 says, "Don't, your lady will actually end you for this." Voice number 2 says, "Yeah, but you'll die happy." It's been a good ride, but I think voice number 2 will be winning today.
Cheers. :)
Post by: JDT79 on Thu, 02 February 2017, 14:11:59
I've got my bat file setup with layers and working as I would normally with QMK, but I'm not sure how to implement macros? Could you offer some advice? Or, point me in the right direction?
Thanks,
Post by: leang on Thu, 02 February 2017, 15:34:25
1. Grab the latest QMK/Zeal6 zip from GitHub (https://github.com/Wilba6582/qmk_firmware/tree/zeal60 (https://github.com/Wilba6582/qmk_firmware/tree/zeal60)).
2. Recreate your layout and add macros with config.h and keymap.c in /qmk_firmware/keyboards/zeal60/keymaps/JDT79 (QMK Wiki is very thorough: https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/wiki (https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/wiki)).
3. Use make command to build the .hex file, and flash it.
If you're on Windows, the easiest way I've found to get this done is to install the Windows 10 Anniversary Update (https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/08/02/how-to-get-the-windows-10-anniversary-update (https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2016/08/02/how-to-get-the-windows-10-anniversary-update)). It gives you access to bash, which gives you access to make for the .hex. Then use skullydazed's QMK Firmware Flasher Gui (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82505.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82505.0)) to flash it to your keyboard. Unfortunately, make dfu to flash it directly from bash doesn't work.
Hi Wilba
I've got my bat file setup with layers and working as I would normally with QMK, but I'm not sure how to implement macros? Could you offer some advice? Or, point me in the right direction?
Thanks,
Post by: JDT79 on Thu, 02 February 2017, 16:20:39
Post by: Wilba on Thu, 02 February 2017, 18:16:21
Unfortunately it's practically impossible to support all of the QMK features by storing some data in the EEPROM, because some of the more advanced QMK features rely of compiling code, like macros and special keystroke combos. What I'm doing is not like many other "configurators" which essentially compile TMK or QMK source code into a new firmware and program that to the PCB.
But the option is there for "power users" to build QMK with the Zeal60 specific features and do whatever they like.
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 03 February 2017, 15:03:28
Post by: tkim on Sat, 04 February 2017, 12:02:15
Is it some sort of memory limitation or am I missing something here?
Post by: Wilba on Sat, 04 February 2017, 19:03:02
Did anyone manage to get the mouse keys working? For some reason when I try to flash the mouse key hex file it makes the rest of the keyboard unusable.
Is it some sort of memory limitation or am I missing something here?
I'm confused, the zeal60_mousekey.hex works fine for me. Are you sure there's no problem during programming? i.e. You can program the zeal60_default.hex and it works, it only stops working after programming zeal60_mousekey.hex.
Perhaps the firmware is working, and the problem is with the host... what O/S are you using?
Post by: Onimoger on Sun, 05 February 2017, 01:53:41
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 05 February 2017, 02:09:32
This might sound stupid, but how do you correctly remove zealeancio silencing clips without breaking them?
Use a small flat head screwdriver from a mag kit and gently pry the tabs on the sides. Once one edge is off, the other end comes off easily.
Post by: Mandeor on Sun, 05 February 2017, 02:27:50
"...the zeal60_mousekey.hex works fine for me..."Second that.
Perhaps the firmware is working, and the problem is with the host... what O/S are you using?Can confirm, it's working for me under WinXP, Win7, Win10, Server2008R2, Server2012R2, LinuxMint, MacOS Sierra
Post by: JDT79 on Sun, 05 February 2017, 17:29:44
Post by: Wilba on Sun, 05 February 2017, 18:12:37
What keys move the mouse on the mouse layer? I looked at the keymap and didn't see any keycodes that would move the mouse cursor?
I'll put a demo in the next release.
Unfortunately, I forgot to use the short 6-character aliases for the keycodes, only put the long ones in the last release, so the keymap might get a bit messy with the alignment. Will fix this next release.
If you want to use it right now, try these:
Code: [Select]
KC_MS_UP
KC_MS_DOWN
KC_MS_LEFT
KC_MS_RIGHT
KC_MS_BTN1
KC_MS_BTN2
KC_MS_BTN3
KC_MS_BTN4
KC_MS_BTN5
KC_MS_WH_UP
KC_MS_WH_DOWN
KC_MS_WH_LEFT
KC_MS_WH_RIGHT
Post by: JDT79 on Sun, 05 February 2017, 23:06:18
Post by: .mandeor on Mon, 06 February 2017, 06:35:47
Unfortunately, I forgot to use the short 6-character aliases for the keycodes, only put the long ones in the last release, so the keymap might get a bit messy with the alignment. Will fix this next release.
Mhh, I'm using the following keycodes (V.05) and they work like a charm.
Code: [Select]
KC_WH_L
KC_WH_U
KC_WH_D
KC_WH_R
KC_BTN2
KC_MS_U
KC_BTN1
KC_BTN4
KC_MS_L
KC_MS_D
KC_MS_R
KC_BTN5
KC_BTN3
Post by: Wilba on Mon, 06 February 2017, 06:45:23
Unfortunately, I forgot to use the short 6-character aliases for the keycodes, only put the long ones in the last release, so the keymap might get a bit messy with the alignment. Will fix this next release.
Mhh, I'm using the following keycodes (V.05) and they work like a charm.Code: [Select]KC_WH_L
KC_WH_U
KC_WH_D
KC_WH_R
KC_BTN2
KC_MS_U
KC_BTN1
KC_BTN4
KC_MS_L
KC_MS_D
KC_MS_R
KC_BTN5
KC_BTN3
Thanks, my mistake... the shortened aliases were already in the list.
So ignore my last post, use these:
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KC_MS_U
KC_MS_D
KC_MS_L
KC_MS_R
KC_BTN1
KC_BTN2
KC_BTN3
KC_BTN4
KC_BTN5
KC_WH_U
KC_WH_D
KC_WH_L
KC_WH_R
KC_ACL0
KC_ACL1
KC_ACL2
Post by: tkim on Tue, 07 February 2017, 13:29:40
Did anyone manage to get the mouse keys working? For some reason when I try to flash the mouse key hex file it makes the rest of the keyboard unusable.
Is it some sort of memory limitation or am I missing something here?
I'm confused, the zeal60_mousekey.hex works fine for me. Are you sure there's no problem during programming? i.e. You can program the zeal60_default.hex and it works, it only stops working after programming zeal60_mousekey.hex.
Perhaps the firmware is working, and the problem is with the host... what O/S are you using?
I can flash the default firmware just fine, it works as expected but then I try flash with the mousekey.hex and it won't work, but judging by the responses and the plethora of OS's it must be something incorrect I am doing. :) I guess I will have to look at it again.
Post by: Chronnoisseur on Wed, 08 February 2017, 13:39:06
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disable_when_usb_suspended=1 ^After shutting down the computer blue lights stay on the kb. It's disabled since I cant wake the computer but the lights are still on. Anyway to turn these lights off completely?
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disable_after_timeout=200 ^I can edit the bat files fine except for this setting. Changing the timeout doesnt seem to work for me. The timeout works on the default 200 but seems to be around 10 minutes if I change it to any other value.
Lastly, is there anyway to edit some of the lighting effects myself? I like the reactive typing you have on the cycle all effect and would like to have the same reactive effect on some of the others. Thanks
Post by: Wilba on Wed, 08 February 2017, 16:39:45
Recently got a zeal60 and I love it! I'm having a couple technical issues though so I'm hoping someone here can help. Forgive me if there are simple solutions, I'm kinda new to this. I'm having trouble with these two lines in the bat file.Code: [Select]disable_when_usb_suspended=1 ^
After shutting down the computer blue lights stay on the kb. It's disabled since I cant wake the computer but the lights are still on. Anyway to turn these lights off completely?Code: [Select]disable_after_timeout=200 ^
I can edit the bat files fine except for this setting. Changing the timeout doesnt seem to work for me. The timeout works on the default 200 but seems to be around 10 minutes if I change it to any other value.
Lastly, is there anyway to edit some of the lighting effects myself? I like the reactive typing you have on the cycle all effect and would like to have the same reactive effect on some of the others. Thanks
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disable_when_usb_suspended=1 ^ will turn off backlight as soon as the host "suspends" the device, such as when the host is put in sleep or hibernate or shutdown.Code: [Select]
disable_after_timeout=200 ^ will turn off the backlight after a timeout while the host is still active (i.e. not in sleep mode). A bit like how a screensaver kicks in after a while.SO to clarify, "disable" doesn't mean the keyboard is disabled, only the backlight is turned off, it should still respond to keystrokes and "wake" a host etc.
It seems like when your host shuts down, it's not sending the usual USB suspend event, so the keyboard is not in a state to "wake" the host on a keystroke. I don't know why. Does this problem happen with other keyboards as well? i.e. can you "wake" your host from sleep using another keyboard?
It's possible that these features broke somehow, so I'll test them out and make sure they still work as intended.
Post by: Chronnoisseur on Thu, 09 February 2017, 02:21:06
Post by: Jumie on Thu, 09 February 2017, 07:00:40
Post by: Wilba on Thu, 09 February 2017, 07:13:44
Can I used qmk.sized.io to change the layout?
No, that tool will build new firmware each time you change the layout, and then require programming the Zeal60 PCB with the new firmware.
The Zeal60 firmware only needs to be installed once, and then you can change it using a program on the PC that sends new layouts and backlight settings over USB.
See here for details: https://zealpc.net/blogs/news/programming-your-zeal60-rgb-pcb
Post by: Jumie on Thu, 09 February 2017, 08:06:29
Post by: Chronnoisseur on Thu, 09 February 2017, 12:06:12
My case is, I've successfully flash the default hex in flip, and then the next step is to choose the desire .bat file. I choose ansi poker2 but it says "error, device not found" thats where I am stuck right now. Oh I also cannot open zeal60.exe if that is a thing.
Did you install the right ATMega32U4 drivers? Try following these steps. It helped me with the initial setup. After this you will only need to double click a bat file and it should work fine. gl
http://blandname.com/2017/01/09/getting-started-with-the-zealpc-zeal60-keyboard-pcb/
Post by: Mandeor on Thu, 09 February 2017, 12:34:28
My case is, I've successfully flash the default hex in flip, and then the next step is to choose the desire .bat file. I choose ansi poker2 but it says "error, device not found" thats where I am stuck right now. Oh I also cannot open zeal60.exe if that is a thing.Did you reconnect the board after flashing?
Quote
- Program "zeal60_default.hex" using Flip
- Disconnect USB
- Connect USB
- Double-click on one of the "zeal60_keymap_*.bat" files to program a layout
Post by: Wilba on Thu, 09 February 2017, 17:16:14
My case is, I've successfully flash the default hex in flip, and then the next step is to choose the desire .bat file. I choose ansi poker2 but it says "error, device not found" thats where I am stuck right now. Oh I also cannot open zeal60.exe if that is a thing.
After "flashing" the hex to the PCB, the Zeal60 firmware needs to be running (i.e. NOT the bootloader) for zeal60.exe to work.
FLIP has a button "Start Application" for this, but you can also just disconnect and reconnect USB.
The .bat files execute zeal60.exe to do the work. zeal60.exe is just a command-line program so double-clicking it will just quickly show a console window - there is no window that stays open if you run it.
Post by: JDragon on Thu, 09 February 2017, 18:46:37
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 09 February 2017, 19:18:37
I saw a post about this on MassDrop as well, but I've been experiencing issues with the screw-in stabilizer wire popping loose when removing keycaps (both lubed and unlubed stabilizers). Would be nice to get the fit a little tighter, if possible, to avoid that issue. It can be really hard to reinstall the wire if it slides away.
Currently investigating the issue with Gateron. I personally haven't encountered it with my builds, but it may be due to the slightly tighter inserts with certain keycaps. Right now the best solution would be to pinch the horizontal stem a tiny bit once or twice. It should make keycap removal easier without accidentally pulling the wire out.
Post by: JDragon on Thu, 09 February 2017, 19:24:29
I saw a post about this on MassDrop as well, but I've been experiencing issues with the screw-in stabilizer wire popping loose when removing keycaps (both lubed and unlubed stabilizers). Would be nice to get the fit a little tighter, if possible, to avoid that issue. It can be really hard to reinstall the wire if it slides away.
Currently investigating the issue with Gateron. I personally haven't encountered it with my builds, but it may be due to the slightly tighter inserts with certain keycaps. Right now the best solution would be to pinch the horizontal stem a tiny bit once or twice. It should make keycap removal easier without accidentally pulling the wire out.
If it helps with your investigation, it happened to me on Cherry MX Silent stems and Aristotle stems, both in Zealios housings, with DSA and Cherry profile (GMK) keycaps.
Post by: Jumie on Thu, 09 February 2017, 20:41:12
My case is, I've successfully flash the default hex in flip, and then the next step is to choose the desire .bat file. I choose ansi poker2 but it says "error, device not found" thats where I am stuck right now. Oh I also cannot open zeal60.exe if that is a thing.
After "flashing" the hex to the PCB, the Zeal60 firmware needs to be running (i.e. NOT the bootloader) for zeal60.exe to work.
FLIP has a button "Start Application" for this, but you can also just disconnect and reconnect USB.
The .bat files execute zeal60.exe to do the work. zeal60.exe is just a command-line program so double-clicking it will just quickly show a console window - there is no window that stays open if you run it.
I'll try again later at home. How about the key mapping? Do I edit the .bat file to remap the layout?
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 10 February 2017, 14:12:58
I saw a post about this on MassDrop as well, but I've been experiencing issues with the screw-in stabilizer wire popping loose when removing keycaps (both lubed and unlubed stabilizers). Would be nice to get the fit a little tighter, if possible, to avoid that issue. It can be really hard to reinstall the wire if it slides away.
Currently investigating the issue with Gateron. I personally haven't encountered it with my builds, but it may be due to the slightly tighter inserts with certain keycaps. Right now the best solution would be to pinch the horizontal stem a tiny bit once or twice. It should make keycap removal easier without accidentally pulling the wire out.
If it helps with your investigation, it happened to me on Cherry MX Silent stems and Aristotle stems, both in Zealios housings, with DSA and Cherry profile (GMK) keycaps.
I thought it was just a random fluke, but it happened to me too. Using R4 stabilizers, I was actually disassembling a board that I messed up and the wire came loose from the enter key while removing the keycap. I thought maybe I had just not seated it properly. It wasn't a big deal b/c I was already in the process of taking it apart.
Post by: dorf on Fri, 10 February 2017, 14:25:03
I saw a post about this on MassDrop as well, but I've been experiencing issues with the screw-in stabilizer wire popping loose when removing keycaps (both lubed and unlubed stabilizers). Would be nice to get the fit a little tighter, if possible, to avoid that issue. It can be really hard to reinstall the wire if it slides away.
Currently investigating the issue with Gateron. I personally haven't encountered it with my builds, but it may be due to the slightly tighter inserts with certain keycaps. Right now the best solution would be to pinch the horizontal stem a tiny bit once or twice. It should make keycap removal easier without accidentally pulling the wire out.
If it helps with your investigation, it happened to me on Cherry MX Silent stems and Aristotle stems, both in Zealios housings, with DSA and Cherry profile (GMK) keycaps.
I thought it was just a random fluke, but it happened to me too. Using R4 stabilizers, I was actually disassembling a board that I messed up and the wire came loose from the enter key while removing the keycap. I thought maybe I had just not seated it properly. It wasn't a big deal b/c I was already in the process of taking it apart.
So this happens when you remove caps and stab inserts sort of cling on to to the cap and the wire leave the inserts?
Post by: tkim on Sat, 11 February 2017, 02:57:49
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 12 February 2017, 01:19:51
I saw a post about this on MassDrop as well, but I've been experiencing issues with the screw-in stabilizer wire popping loose when removing keycaps (both lubed and unlubed stabilizers). Would be nice to get the fit a little tighter, if possible, to avoid that issue. It can be really hard to reinstall the wire if it slides away.
Currently investigating the issue with Gateron. I personally haven't encountered it with my builds, but it may be due to the slightly tighter inserts with certain keycaps. Right now the best solution would be to pinch the horizontal stem a tiny bit once or twice. It should make keycap removal easier without accidentally pulling the wire out.
If it helps with your investigation, it happened to me on Cherry MX Silent stems and Aristotle stems, both in Zealios housings, with DSA and Cherry profile (GMK) keycaps.
I thought it was just a random fluke, but it happened to me too. Using R4 stabilizers, I was actually disassembling a board that I messed up and the wire came loose from the enter key while removing the keycap. I thought maybe I had just not seated it properly. It wasn't a big deal b/c I was already in the process of taking it apart.
So this happens when you remove caps and stab inserts sort of cling on to to the cap and the wire leave the inserts?
Yes, that's it exactly. Mine only came out on one side
Post by: johuu on Sat, 18 February 2017, 16:17:17
Post by: eksuen on Sat, 18 February 2017, 16:19:00
Will there be a separate thread for R5?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87337.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87337.0)
Post by: johuu on Sat, 18 February 2017, 16:34:09
Will there be a separate thread for R5?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87337.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87337.0)
:thumb: Thanks. Seems I missed it.
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Thu, 23 February 2017, 05:44:13
- Zealio Switch: 67g, crisp, feel like tactile of clicky switch (gateron blue), I'm satisfied :))
- Zealencio:
+ on Zealio: they're working as they should :thumb:
+ on Gateron Blue: (maybe it's just me) I think the clicky sound is better,
the reason maybe the bottom-out noise is reduced by the silencing clip, making the clicky sound clearer :D
Post by: dorf on Wed, 01 March 2017, 13:04:46
I saw a post about this on MassDrop as well, but I've been experiencing issues with the screw-in stabilizer wire popping loose when removing keycaps (both lubed and unlubed stabilizers). Would be nice to get the fit a little tighter, if possible, to avoid that issue. It can be really hard to reinstall the wire if it slides away.
Currently investigating the issue with Gateron. I personally haven't encountered it with my builds, but it may be due to the slightly tighter inserts with certain keycaps. Right now the best solution would be to pinch the horizontal stem a tiny bit once or twice. It should make keycap removal easier without accidentally pulling the wire out.
If it helps with your investigation, it happened to me on Cherry MX Silent stems and Aristotle stems, both in Zealios housings, with DSA and Cherry profile (GMK) keycaps.
I thought it was just a random fluke, but it happened to me too. Using R4 stabilizers, I was actually disassembling a board that I messed up and the wire came loose from the enter key while removing the keycap. I thought maybe I had just not seated it properly. It wasn't a big deal b/c I was already in the process of taking it apart.
So this happens when you remove caps and stab inserts sort of cling on to to the cap and the wire leave the inserts?
Yes, that's it exactly. Mine only came out on one side
I can confirm that this happens and if you have a plate it's a PITA to correct it. What happens is the wire will jump out of the "clip" on the side which then leads to that it jumps out of the stabilizer insert. This is when you remove caps and especially on space.
Post by: Brammm87 on Tue, 07 March 2017, 23:32:49
Build log of my zeal60.
Post by: TheNamesTy45 on Wed, 08 March 2017, 07:29:52
http://imgur.com/a/2fpal
Build log of my zeal60.
Absolutely beautiful board and great build log!! Thanks for sharing!
Post by: Slash Emperor on Wed, 29 March 2017, 19:45:25
Post by: Wilba on Wed, 29 March 2017, 19:51:07
http://imgur.com/a/2fpal
Build log of my zeal60.
Awesome. Nail file FTW. Though I am surprised that it didn't fit a case from Leandre, since he sells GON NeRD 60 which is the same dimensions and has same USB protrusion as the Zeal60.
Post by: Wilba on Wed, 29 March 2017, 20:02:54
Quick (read:dumb) question about programming the Zeal60. I read the programming guide on Zeal's site, but I was wondering if there are any visual keymaps of the layouts in the .bat files? Specifically the Zeal60_keymap_Poker2_ansi (mainly for the backlighting controls/settings and other FN layer stuff) and the Zeal60_keymap_zealpc batch files? I'm an idiot and awful with the software stuff/programming for keyboards, so any help would be greatly appreciated.
If you open the .bat file in a text editor (like Notepad or Notepad++), the keymaps match the physical position of the keys, albeit squished together into a grid and not showing their horizontal postition and widths.
The readme.txt shows the default setup for controlling backlight etc. Basically, hold down Fn1 and Fn2 to get "layer 3" where the backlight control functions are located. You just need to remember which keys are used for Fn1 and Fn2. For the Poker2 layout, they will be in the right-Win and right-Menu key positions (between right-Alt and right-Ctrl on a "standard" Poker2 style layout).
Eventually, I will write a GUI-based configuration app for people to use... the .bat files are a quick-and-dirty solution that's better than recompiling QMK when you want to change layouts, but isn't that user-friendly. However, I've been flat out designing the Zeal65 PCB and the 65% custom case, and haven't had enough time to write the GUI-based configuration app.
Post by: Slash Emperor on Wed, 29 March 2017, 20:40:47
Quick (read:dumb) question about programming the Zeal60. I read the programming guide on Zeal's site, but I was wondering if there are any visual keymaps of the layouts in the .bat files? Specifically the Zeal60_keymap_Poker2_ansi (mainly for the backlighting controls/settings and other FN layer stuff) and the Zeal60_keymap_zealpc batch files? I'm an idiot and awful with the software stuff/programming for keyboards, so any help would be greatly appreciated.
If you open the .bat file in a text editor (like Notepad or Notepad++), the keymaps match the physical position of the keys, albeit squished together into a grid and not showing their horizontal postition and widths.
The readme.txt shows the default setup for controlling backlight etc. Basically, hold down Fn1 and Fn2 to get "layer 3" where the backlight control functions are located. You just need to remember which keys are used for Fn1 and Fn2. For the Poker2 layout, they will be in the right-Win and right-Menu key positions (between right-Alt and right-Ctrl on a "standard" Poker2 style layout).
Eventually, I will write a GUI-based configuration app for people to use... the .bat files are a quick-and-dirty solution that's better than recompiling QMK when you want to change layouts, but isn't that user-friendly. However, I've been flat out designing the Zeal65 PCB and the 65% custom case, and haven't had enough time to write the GUI-based configuration app.
Thank you very much, that was extremely helpful! I'm on The Poker2 layout for now and just tried the FN1+FN2 and got the backlighting to work. Since I didn't know how to do it on Poker2 before, I had changed to the ZealPC keymap .bat file before if I wanted to see lights (admittedly quite a jank solution on my end).
I've been keeping my hype stoked for that Zeal65.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 30 March 2017, 06:03:55
I saw a post about this on MassDrop as well, but I've been experiencing issues with the screw-in stabilizer wire popping loose when removing keycaps (both lubed and unlubed stabilizers). Would be nice to get the fit a little tighter, if possible, to avoid that issue. It can be really hard to reinstall the wire if it slides away.
Currently investigating the issue with Gateron. I personally haven't encountered it with my builds, but it may be due to the slightly tighter inserts with certain keycaps. Right now the best solution would be to pinch the horizontal stem a tiny bit once or twice. It should make keycap removal easier without accidentally pulling the wire out.
If it helps with your investigation, it happened to me on Cherry MX Silent stems and Aristotle stems, both in Zealios housings, with DSA and Cherry profile (GMK) keycaps.
I thought it was just a random fluke, but it happened to me too. Using R4 stabilizers, I was actually disassembling a board that I messed up and the wire came loose from the enter key while removing the keycap. I thought maybe I had just not seated it properly. It wasn't a big deal b/c I was already in the process of taking it apart.
So this happens when you remove caps and stab inserts sort of cling on to to the cap and the wire leave the inserts?
Yes, that's it exactly. Mine only came out on one side
I can confirm that this happens and if you have a plate it's a PITA to correct it. What happens is the wire will jump out of the "clip" on the side which then leads to that it jumps out of the stabilizer insert. This is when you remove caps and especially on space.
This sound really bad actually, to the point where I'm considering using cherry instead of r5 stabs as planned for upcoming builds.
Having a stabilizer pop is rather serious, and I don't want to risk having to deal with desoldering
Post by: asgeirtj on Wed, 05 April 2017, 16:23:40
Post by: Yuuki on Sun, 23 April 2017, 13:06:00
I did put the wire back, without removing the mounting plate, but I think I was lucky
Post by: odd on Wed, 10 May 2017, 14:03:33
Post by: Skuloth on Wed, 10 May 2017, 14:28:33
Does anyone know when R2 Zeal60 is going to ship? I have not seen any est ship dates and I bought another one on Massdrop and was totally sure I would get the R2 from Zeal first since Massdrop takes a million years to ship but I got the Massdrop one first and still have found no info on R2 shipping from Zeal, thanks all.
A week or two ago Zeal mentioned that he had received the pcbs and the majority did not meet his quality expectations, so hes having them reproduced.
Estimate was around the end of may iirc.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 10 May 2017, 14:31:24
Does anyone know when R2 Zeal60 is going to ship? I have not seen any est ship dates and I bought another one on Massdrop and was totally sure I would get the R2 from Zeal first since Massdrop takes a million years to ship but I got the Massdrop one first and still have found no info on R2 shipping from Zeal, thanks all.
Updates for the R5 GB are on the front page, second post. A more elaborate response was posted here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87337.msg2405516#msg2405516
In short, large majority of PCBs had scratches that had to be rejected and remade. Current ETA is mid June.
Post by: TelFiRE on Fri, 19 May 2017, 15:46:32
Post by: Cotay on Sat, 03 June 2017, 01:56:57
R4 is pretty much complete. Shipped remaining orders ~51 boxes yesterday afternoon. Only outstanding orders are those combining lustro/holding to return from holidays.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7hUw7QF.jpg)
Lots of pizzas were sent via DHL.
Zeal or all,
Is it possible to get to get the split backspace and right shift + fn all lit up? Doesn't seem like my LB5 lights up or LD8 when R-Shift is soldered (JD7A)
I'll keep poking around on it but if you know anything, that would be awesome :)
Thanks
Have you flashed the board to the proper HHKB.bat layout? The firmware will disable certain LEDs depending on which layout you've chosen. The default rainbow cycling mode you received lights up the "FN" key and HHKB`~ key prior to jumping, so those were confirmed fully functional.
I have not. I was about to do that :) I'll update in soon.
Edit: Never used flip on any of my programmable boards before so I'm just sifting through the dark with my eyes closed :p
Edit2: Got it up an running. Thanks for that little tip. After looking at that stuff and the commands for split backspace etc it became self explanatory :) thanks again all for the help.
Bonus pics :) Zeal60 PCB, R4 78g Zealios (which feel stronger than R2 + 80g springs), WKL B.face case -- Side note for anyone going this route: you will have to shave the case down to fit the transparent stabilizers through the pcb mount slots so that the two acrylic pieces will sit flush on the pcb.
http://imgur.com/a/h1kPH
Glad everything turned out well. :)
Yeah, unfortunately layered acrylic cases are designed to hug the PCB as close as possible, leaving insufficient clearance for the screw in stabs. A bit of small filing fixes the issue though. Didn't have any GON/WKL cases, so I couldn't test the clearance. Regular top mounted boards/tray style cases aren't an issue.
I'm running into the same problem with the LD8 LED not working. I have it jumped on JD7A for a 1.75u RShift and 1u FN. When I desolder JD7A, LD8 starts glowing (albeit flickering).
My keys are working fine, so I've got those programmed properly. I'm at a loss since I've changed the config file to read "#define USE_SPLIT_RIGHT_SHIFT 1". Anything I'm missing?
Post by: Wilba on Sat, 03 June 2017, 02:41:05
I'm running into the same problem with the LD8 LED not working. I have it jumped on JD7A for a 1.75u RShift and 1u FN. When I desolder JD7A, LD8 starts glowing (albeit flickering).
My keys are working fine, so I've got those programmed properly. I'm at a loss since I've changed the config file to read "#define USE_SPLIT_RIGHT_SHIFT 1". Anything I'm missing?
The settings for the LEDs are stored in EEPROM and can be changed without programming new firmware, using the zeal60.exe and the .bat files. The values in the config.h are just the defaults for when there's nothing in the EEPROM yet. So if you are changing config.h, it sounds like you're building QMK yourself and not using the zeal60.exe/.bat files to program new layouts. Is this correct? If not, just follow the instructions, use FLIP to program the supplied zeal60_default.hex and use the .bat files to both set keymaps and set LED options.
If you ARE a power user and want to build your own QMK firmware etc. then you should clear the EEPROM so changes to the backlight settings (like USE_SPLIT_RIGHT_SHIFT) have a chance to be saved to EEPROM. Hold down Space+Esc keys when you power on (connect USB), this will kick in bootloader AND clear the EEPROM so your custom firmware will overwrite the existing EEPROM settings.
Post by: Cotay on Sat, 03 June 2017, 03:02:07
I'm running into the same problem with the LD8 LED not working. I have it jumped on JD7A for a 1.75u RShift and 1u FN. When I desolder JD7A, LD8 starts glowing (albeit flickering).
My keys are working fine, so I've got those programmed properly. I'm at a loss since I've changed the config file to read "#define USE_SPLIT_RIGHT_SHIFT 1". Anything I'm missing?
The settings for the LEDs are stored in EEPROM and can be changed without programming new firmware, using the zeal60.exe and the .bat files. The values in the config.h are just the defaults for when there's nothing in the EEPROM yet. So if you are changing config.h, it sounds like you're building QMK yourself and not using the zeal60.exe/.bat files to program new layouts. Is this correct? If not, just follow the instructions, use FLIP to program the supplied zeal60_default.hex and use the .bat files to both set keymaps and set LED options.
If you ARE a power user and want to build your own QMK firmware etc. then you should clear the EEPROM so changes to the backlight settings (like USE_SPLIT_RIGHT_SHIFT) have a chance to be saved to EEPROM. Hold down Space+Esc keys when you power on (connect USB), this will kick in bootloader AND clear the EEPROM so your custom firmware will overwrite the existing EEPROM settings.
You are awesome! I was indeed building my own QMK and it didn't occur to me that it might be the EEPROM. Your explanation is excellent! I'll see if the .bat file route works first...then I'll think about further customization.
EDIT: That did it. Thanks again!
Post by: Wilba on Sat, 03 June 2017, 04:10:25
I'm running into the same problem with the LD8 LED not working. I have it jumped on JD7A for a 1.75u RShift and 1u FN. When I desolder JD7A, LD8 starts glowing (albeit flickering).
My keys are working fine, so I've got those programmed properly. I'm at a loss since I've changed the config file to read "#define USE_SPLIT_RIGHT_SHIFT 1". Anything I'm missing?
The settings for the LEDs are stored in EEPROM and can be changed without programming new firmware, using the zeal60.exe and the .bat files. The values in the config.h are just the defaults for when there's nothing in the EEPROM yet. So if you are changing config.h, it sounds like you're building QMK yourself and not using the zeal60.exe/.bat files to program new layouts. Is this correct? If not, just follow the instructions, use FLIP to program the supplied zeal60_default.hex and use the .bat files to both set keymaps and set LED options.
If you ARE a power user and want to build your own QMK firmware etc. then you should clear the EEPROM so changes to the backlight settings (like USE_SPLIT_RIGHT_SHIFT) have a chance to be saved to EEPROM. Hold down Space+Esc keys when you power on (connect USB), this will kick in bootloader AND clear the EEPROM so your custom firmware will overwrite the existing EEPROM settings.
You are awesome! I was indeed building my own QMK and it didn't occur to me that it might be the EEPROM. Your explanation is excellent! I'll see if the .bat file route works first...then I'll think about further customization.
EDIT: That did it. Thanks again!
Cool.
Note that what I said also applies to keymaps... if you've programmed keymaps via the .bat files, they're stored in EEPROM and will override what gets compiled into the firmware. The Space+Esc on boot will clear the keymaps in EEPROM as well.
Unfortunately, it's a bit too hard to make the firmware "know" that it's been replaced with a new firmware that was built with different settings, keymaps, etc. (Well, it's not THAT hard, just messy and would waste valuable EEPROM for a feature only useful for power users).
Post by: le_wraith on Mon, 31 July 2017, 20:51:37
Post by: Atredl on Mon, 31 July 2017, 21:10:26
Does anyone know which, if any, high-end custom boards the Zeal60 RGB is compatible with? Thanks in advance for any info.You could use it with the E6-V2 that is currently in the GB stage right now. There are probably others but that's the first one that comes to my mind.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90787.0
Post by: childofthehorn on Sun, 31 December 2017, 00:17:09
I am having a problem with my Zeal60 R3 from the Massdrop buy that I just finished building (with full soldered Holtites no less).
3 E D X
^ None of those keys work. all things look fine on the back of the PCB and the switches are working, regardless of config. I haven't tested the diodes yet, but wondering if anyone else had this problem and/or knows what the issue is. I even recompiled everything to make sure, so yeah....
Right now, I am guessing that I have a bad diode in there somewhere as that is a curios place to "go bad" so sequentially and I do have plenty of smd diodes to handle if needed.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sun, 31 December 2017, 00:20:52
Hey Folks,
I am having a problem with my Zeal60 R3 from the Massdrop buy that I just finished building (with full soldered Holtites no less).
3 E D X
^ None of those keys work. all things look fine on the back of the PCB and the switches are working, regardless of config. I haven't tested the diodes yet, but wondering if anyone else had this problem and/or knows what the issue is. I even recompiled everything to make sure, so yeah....
Right now, I am guessing that I have a bad diode in there somewhere as that is a curios place to "go bad" so sequentially and I do have plenty of smd diodes to handle if needed.
Reflow the diodes first.
Post by: Skuloth on Sun, 31 December 2017, 00:26:30
Hey Folks,
I am having a problem with my Zeal60 R3 from the Massdrop buy that I just finished building (with full soldered Holtites no less).
3 E D X
^ None of those keys work. all things look fine on the back of the PCB and the switches are working, regardless of config. I haven't tested the diodes yet, but wondering if anyone else had this problem and/or knows what the issue is. I even recompiled everything to make sure, so yeah....
Right now, I am guessing that I have a bad diode in there somewhere as that is a curios place to "go bad" so sequentially and I do have plenty of smd diodes to handle if needed.
I had similar issues with my round 2, but it was because the holtites were not seated correctly.
Post by: Wilba on Sun, 31 December 2017, 00:27:15
Hey Folks,
I am having a problem with my Zeal60 R3 from the Massdrop buy that I just finished building (with full soldered Holtites no less).
3 E D X
^ None of those keys work. all things look fine on the back of the PCB and the switches are working, regardless of config. I haven't tested the diodes yet, but wondering if anyone else had this problem and/or knows what the issue is. I even recompiled everything to make sure, so yeah....
Right now, I am guessing that I have a bad diode in there somewhere as that is a curios place to "go bad" so sequentially and I do have plenty of smd diodes to handle if needed.
Reflow the diodes first.
It's obvious there's an issue with the switch matrix column, which is irrelevant to the diodes.
Contact me via PM and I can help you troubleshoot.
Post by: childofthehorn on Sun, 31 December 2017, 00:29:54
Hey Folks,
I am having a problem with my Zeal60 R3 from the Massdrop buy that I just finished building (with full soldered Holtites no less).
3 E D X
^ None of those keys work. all things look fine on the back of the PCB and the switches are working, regardless of config. I haven't tested the diodes yet, but wondering if anyone else had this problem and/or knows what the issue is. I even recompiled everything to make sure, so yeah....
Right now, I am guessing that I have a bad diode in there somewhere as that is a curios place to "go bad" so sequentially and I do have plenty of smd diodes to handle if needed.
Reflow the diodes first.
It's obvious there's an issue with the switch matrix column, which is irrelevant to the diodes.
Contact me via PM and I can help you troubleshoot.
PM Sent. would prefer not to get out the logic analyzer or scope if possible. #vacation
Post by: childofthehorn on Sun, 31 December 2017, 02:33:23
It's obvious there's an issue with the switch matrix column, which is irrelevant to the diodes.
Contact me via PM and I can help you troubleshoot.
Reflowed all the chips, despite them looking good with no visible bridges. Turns out there was too much solder hidden at the back of chips and the column was 10ohm to ground. Drawing out the chips and re-doing the solder (braid + new solder), cleaning with alcohol, and reflashing made everything happy. Seen this before and not uncommon out of the oven or just with how new or saturated the paste used was, no fault here.
Thanks to Wilba for some technical details which made it easier to debug! Not to mention, amazing customer service!
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