KOREAN SWITCH STICKER GROUP BUY! (RECEIVED)

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with a crowbar

NOT COOL, not cool at all...

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with a crowbar

[demik]

well at least it's not comic sans

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[WhiteFireDragon]

Do these dampen noise in the same way O-rings do? And in what ways do they stabilize the switches more?

Looking to get this for my phantom build, but I'm not sure if I'm willing to wait that long, as I already have all my phantom parts.

[Ian S]

No.

O rings stop the switch bottoming.

These stop the top half of the switch from moving around sideways and up and down a bit on the bottom half, and making some rattling sound.  They also therefore reduce the key cap sideways movement a bit.

I've never used them but did read the threads.

Have a look at my post at the top of page three of this thread.  Click the link, download and listen to the mp3.  It convinced me.

I just have to determine how many stickers I want and complete the form. 

There are people here who have first hand experience of these and I'd have left it to them to post but I'm posting this reply as I want to place an add and I guess I need more posts.

[demik]

No.

O rings stop the switch bottoming.

These stop the top half of the switch from moving around sideways and up and down a bit on the bottom half, and making some rattling sound.  They also therefore reduce the key cap sideways movement a bit.

I've never used them but did read the threads.

Have a look at my post at the top of page three of this thread.  Click the link, download and listen to the mp3.  It convinced me.

I just have to determine how many stickers I want and complete the form. 

There are people here who have first hand experience of these and I'd have left it to them to post but I'm posting this reply as I want to place an add and I guess I need more posts.

i wish more people were like you.

ask questions, once they got a slight explanation of what you wanted to know.. you go and research it more yourself.

[DanGWanG]

Alls I knows is...stickers + slider lube + oiled 62g spring + clear stem = the perfect switch.  If stickers are part of the equation, stickers it must be period.

[limmy]

Alls I knows is...stickers + slider lube + oiled 62g spring + clear stem = the perfect switch.  If stickers are part of the equation, stickers it must be period.

You should also try lubed + stickered + spring modded vintage blacks.(have you?) They are favorite choice for many Korean keyboard enthusiasts.

[Kellybear]

What are spring modded vintage blacks? o-o

[kaiserreich]

Alls I knows is...stickers + slider lube + oiled 62g spring + clear stem = the perfect switch.  If stickers are part of the equation, stickers it must be period.

I have 62G + clear stem + slider lube.
Turn out to be one of my favorite switches

[demik]

Alls I knows is...stickers + slider lube + oiled 62g spring + clear stem = the perfect switch.  If stickers are part of the equation, stickers it must be period.

You should also try lubed + stickered + spring modded vintage blacks.(have you?) They are favorite choice for many Korean keyboard enthusiasts.

i thought the whole big deal of vintage switches were the springs.

spring modded vintage blacks just sound like regular blacks with different springs.

unless im missing something?

[limmy]

Well.. vintage black in KBDMania are more about quality of sliders and switch housing. Not many people I know use vintage black springs. They all switch out the springs.

Modern blacks and vintage blacks are pretty different. The latter is known to be significantly smoother than the former.

Maybe it is pretty different here in GH. (care more about springs)

[sth]

is that due to a manufacturing difference or just because vintage blacks are old and worn out?

[demik]

the more you know!

thanks limmy

[limmy]

is that due to a manufacturing difference or just because vintage blacks are old and worn out?

NIB vintage ones are used and preferred, so I would say it is manufacturing difference. Some people break NIB G80-2551 just to get vintage Cherry black switches.

[kaiserreich]

Alls I knows is...stickers + slider lube + oiled 62g spring + clear stem = the perfect switch.  If stickers are part of the equation, stickers it must be period.

You should also try lubed + stickered + spring modded vintage blacks.(have you?) They are favorite choice for many Korean keyboard enthusiasts.

Which spring do you use together with the vintage blacks?

is that due to a manufacturing difference or just because vintage blacks are old and worn out?

I have a NIB WYSE, and they are very smooth.

[demik]

My 356mini has 62g iirc and vintage blacks

[DanGWanG]

You should also try lubed + stickered + spring modded vintage blacks.(have you?) They are favorite choice for many Korean keyboard enthusiasts.

Haven't tried it yet but I definitely planned on it  

[jcrouse]

Are these sticky on both sides, like double sided tape or just on one side in which they really only use their thickness to "tighten things up", from a mechanical perspective not from adherance.

[alaricljs]

I know they are definitely not sticky on top, I didn't even check the underside of any since they were already assembled and I was just stuffing diodes.

[reaper]

Just one side... just like a normal sticker and not double sided one.

[Djuzuh]

Oh, I thought they were double sided xD.

Thanks for the clarification !

[jcrouse]

Oh, I thought they were double sided xD.

Thanks for the clarification !

Well, I thought so also. Now I need to ask, "why not". Other than they would be more expensive but wouldn't they do a better job?

I apologize if I already mentioned this idea, but since we are on the topic .... When I watch the video of the person wiggling the keycap that shows the switch wobbling around, hence the need for these stickers, although I now just consider them spacers, I also look at the movement between the switch and the mounting plate. I also think it would be a great idea to have a sticker, both sides with adhesive, between the bottom half of the switch and the mounting plate. There was quite a bit of slop there. And as I follow the phantom thread I know there is some switch wobble in the omunting plate due to the way the coreners in the plate were relieved so the switch could be disassembled which still soldered and mounted. The clearance that was cut into the corners significantly reduced the surface are on two of the sides of the switch. This was even mentioned in the thread about the wobble. The stickers we are buying here look fairly thick and I guess that works, as long as the switch halves snap together but I don't believe the new ones I speak of for between the plate and bottom half of the switch need to be that think since the tabs still need to clip the switch to the plate. So two questions ...

Is it a good idea to have the stickers above be double sides adhesive?

Would a double sided sticker between the switch and plate help reduce the wobble even more?

I think I have mentioned this to two or three people via PM and never got much feedback so I'll throw it out here in the wild for critique.

Thanks,
John

[alaricljs]

I have a phantom plate in front of me with switches inserted and they don't budge at all.  The top housing can still move, but if you grasp the bottom housing and try to move it, good luck and don't stab yourself with the leads.  Even the switches w/ stabilizer holes are rock solid.

[limmy]

doublesided tapes may work better but it would be harder to handle. Many people have hard time handling this single sided sticker for the first time(due to its shape; it is pretty thin) and it certainly requires some skill and practice to use this properly. I don't think many people would appreciate added difficulty.

First thing would be to establish that there is enough merit for using double-sided tape, if it performs just as good as single sided sticker we don't need to bother. Finding adequate factory would be the next step.

My gut feeling is that single-sided sticker is going to be just as good as double-sided one. The sticker is fairly thick resulting tight fitting and leaving little room for the adhesive to play a role. However, we would never know before we try them out though.

Why don't you make proto types using double-sided tapes with varying thickness and see if it performs well?

[harrison]

I've posted a second order with comment to remove my first due to a change of shipping addresses.

Looking forward to the stickers


As for double sided tape... that would work assuming you can cut them accurately, and aren't using them on a PHANTOM where you can separate the switch housings post-installation and assembly.

[MarkPharaoh]

Got my order in for two, can't wait to see how they do for my blue switches.

[hashbaz]

Double sided stickers would mean that opening the switch later would ruin the sticker.

[limmy]

Double sided stickers would mean that opening the switch later would ruin the sticker.

Hadn't thought of that. Good thinking! Double sided sticker would make disassembling nightmare as well.

[Ian S]

May also ruin the switch as you'd have to pry and cut away until the top half became free.

[demik]

change of date. will be closing it on tuesday now. need to get this done already. orders have started to slow down anyway.

[DanGWanG]

Excellent news!

[mickd]

Would we be required to de-solder the switches to use these on a Filco MJ1 or MJ2? Sadly I think the answer is yes, but I thought I would ask to confirm.

[hashbaz]

Would we be required to de-solder the switches to use these on a Filco MJ1 or MJ2? Sadly I think the answer is yes, but I thought I would ask to confirm.

Yep, to open the switch you have to desolder.

[demik]

also, i think im going to hold back on charging shipping until i receive the items as it'll give me time to figure out the cheapest shipping option (especially for international)

any objections?

[DanGWanG]

any objections?

Nein!

[The_Beast]

change of date. will be closing it on tuesday now. need to get this done already. orders have started to slow down anyway.

Faster = better

[damorgue]

Wait a second, I haven't paid yet. So do we start paying Tuesday or should we have paid until then, and you intend to place orders then?

[Kellybear]

You pay after the orders close, so yeah we start paying on Tuesday.

[Ian S]

Just in case the form didn't work, I ordered 4 sheets of red .

Also:

Did you say these are $4 each?  So that's just under £3 each or £11.  Are you in the USA?  The import tax to the UK is nil if the order value is less that £15.  I'd rather not go over the £15 as the tax is 20% and there is also a £10 charge on top.

Thanks.

[WhiteFireDragon]

Ordered a red and green.

When you mentioned no combined shipping, that means for combining with other GB, right? Because no combining shipping for just 2 sheets seems a bit silly. I'm pretty sure this is how it is, but just had to clarify.

[alaricljs]

Would be nice if they came in black... sometimes it's nice to not make a statement.

[Sifo]

Fine, I'll bite. 1x pink, order submitted.

[Glissant]

I'll bite too =).

[demik]

Ordered a red and green.

When you mentioned no combined shipping, that means for combining with other GB, right? Because no combining shipping for just 2 sheets seems a bit silly. I'm pretty sure this is how it is, but just had to clarify.

yes, no combine shipping with my other gb

[OddOne]

demik, Sent a pm in regards to adding one more yellow sheet.  Don't want to run out too soon!

[damorgue]

So, time to pay?

[demik]

I'll let you know when to pay

[tinlong117]

order submitted,
thanks