What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?

[elcubismo]

I use CentOS at work (typically just SSH'd in from Win10) and Rasbian on my Pi.

[iLLucionist]

I use CentOS at work (typically just SSH'd in from Win10) and Rasbian on my Pi.

WHY CENTOS. Why not Ubuntu LTS.

Seriously.. I'm about to reinstall my server do everything properly (I did some nasty stuff to it to get some services working properly). I don't get why people would choose CENTOS because in my experience yum sucks. Is that fixed? Is there a good package manager on redhat/centos nowadays?

[dubious]

no yum still sucks

[Abstractions]

Debian user reporting in.

[davkol]

in my experience yum sucks. Is that fixed? Is there a good package manager on redhat/centos nowadays?

DNF isn't even new.

[iLLucionist]

no yum still sucks

Respectfully, for the love of god why do SYSADMINS use CentOS if the thing that you are doing very often sucks the most, which is the package manager 'yum'.

Is it like... a religion? Like CentOS is based off of the "most widely used red hat distro in the whole industry". And people are like "shiiiit i must have this yo" amongst sysadmins?

[iLLucionist]

Debian user reporting in.

Plain vanilla debian?

I used it for sooo long until I switched to Arch then Ubuntu

[xtrafrood]

From Arch to Ubuntu? That's odd

[iLLucionist]

From Arch to Ubuntu? That's odd

Arch broke to often for me. It was fast, but also to bleeding. And I found pacman very slow with increased dependency resolution complexity.

I had to fix my xorg config so many times, and losing my apache config because arch overwrote it that I had enough of it. Combined with unresolved package conflicts. I even had it once that I couldn't use my mouse because xf86 mouse package was conflicting with the rest of xorg. Turned out arch maintainers were in between uploading the new version, but I was updating in the middle of their uploading. So my system was borked. So yeah..

[davkol]

Is it like... a religion? Like CentOS is based off of the "most widely used red hat distro in the whole industry". And people are like "shiiiit i must have this yo" amongst sysadmins?

Support.

[iLLucionist]

Is it like... a religion? Like CentOS is based off of the "most widely used red hat distro in the whole industry". And people are like "shiiiit i must have this yo" amongst sysadmins?

Support.

Community or paid? Is corporate support from red hat really that better than from canonical?

[davkol]

Is it like... a religion? Like CentOS is based off of the "most widely used red hat distro in the whole industry". And people are like "shiiiit i must have this yo" amongst sysadmins?

Support.

Community or paid? Is corporate support from red hat really that better than from canonical?

It's an entirely different league, if you're running something critical enough. It's the whole ecosystem, though, with standardized admin certifications and what not. Only SUSE comes close.

[iLLucionist]

Is it like... a religion? Like CentOS is based off of the "most widely used red hat distro in the whole industry". And people are like "shiiiit i must have this yo" amongst sysadmins?

Support.

Community or paid? Is corporate support from red hat really that better than from canonical?

It's an entirely different league, if you're running something critical enough. It's the whole ecosystem, though, with standardized admin certifications and what not. Only SUSE comes close.

I can see that yes. I've been doing everything myself, including for my own business. I never had the money for corporate support but then I know what I need to do as sysadmin myself and I don't have 24/7 production systems.

Even though red hat is the standard, I never liked to use it on servers, including centos. It just didn't click for me. Everything debian-like is fine.

For me, Ubuntu LTS has been very stable. On my home server I have been running LTS since 2013, never an issue. But it was mostly a file server and an dev integration / test server, so nothing exciting nor mission critical (well except for losing files.. but you know.. not like 1 min outage is a million USD damage for my business).

[elcubismo]

I like CentOS, guess I'm just used to it. Personally don't have a problem with yum.

[Jaymanlp]

Got my grandma to use Ubuntu since her laptop was so old Windows 7 was too demanding for it.
Her time with Ubuntu has proven to me that end users can definitely use Linux perfectly fine. She's been using Ubuntu for months and has had no issues performing day to day activities on it. She also enjoys the overall look and feel of Ubuntu more than Windows 7.
Lesson to be learned here: If my grandma can learn to use Linux then so can you.

[Leslieann]

Got my grandma to use Ubuntu since her laptop was so old Windows 7 was too demanding for it.
Her time with Ubuntu has proven to me that end users can definitely use Linux perfectly fine. She's been using Ubuntu for months and has had no issues performing day to day activities on it. She also enjoys the overall look and feel of Ubuntu more than Windows 7.
Lesson to be learned here: If my grandma can learn to use Linux then so can you.

I found the same with my mom.
Put her on Linux Mint, and no problems other than a sound issue, it was FAR less problematic than I expected.

However, handing her an Ipad. Oh god...
Apple has seriously lost touch with their old ethos of being easy to use.

[iLLucionist]

Got my grandma to use Ubuntu since her laptop was so old Windows 7 was too demanding for it.
Her time with Ubuntu has proven to me that end users can definitely use Linux perfectly fine. She's been using Ubuntu for months and has had no issues performing day to day activities on it. She also enjoys the overall look and feel of Ubuntu more than Windows 7.
Lesson to be learned here: If my grandma can learn to use Linux then so can you.

This was 7 years ago, but my experience is just the opposite. I had an ubuntu linux box for my mom. But somehow she managed to always just break something (she didn't had root access). Stuff just almost did not work: not unmounting an usb stick, firefox crashing after update.

And it all lay in the fact that we have this routine (close firefox after update because libraries updated, quickly fix 1 2 things in terminal and you are all set) that you forget about.

But perhaps nowadays it is much better.

[iLLucionist]

Got my grandma to use Ubuntu since her laptop was so old Windows 7 was too demanding for it.
Her time with Ubuntu has proven to me that end users can definitely use Linux perfectly fine. She's been using Ubuntu for months and has had no issues performing day to day activities on it. She also enjoys the overall look and feel of Ubuntu more than Windows 7.
Lesson to be learned here: If my grandma can learn to use Linux then so can you.

I found the same with my mom.
Put her on Linux Mint, and no problems other than a sound issue, it was FAR less problematic than I expected.

However, handing her an Ipad. Oh god...
Apple has seriously lost touch with their old ethos of being easy to use.

Well.. you know... even though I bailed on Apple on the desktop, i still think they are king mobile. Because an iPhone is a small iPad. It works exactly the same. I tried an Android phone today and I just couldn't intuitively figure out where **** was. And mind you, I am used to a lot of desktops and manual config: fluxbox, i3wm, xfce, gnome, kde, /etc/*, lxde, openstep, etc.

It was one big graphical mess for me, stuff littered all over the place. I was appalled by iOS 7 initially, but then I took a look at Android and no way I want to switch.

Perhaps premium android is different..

[sth]

sysadmins are really not installing packages all the time. occasionally, sure, but yum is Good Enough given the other advantages.

there's really no reason to be so flabbergasted that some people have different vendor requirements when it comes to their distro of choice!

[iLLucionist]

sysadmins are really not installing packages all the time. occasionally, sure, but yum is Good Enough given the other advantages.

there's really no reason to be so flabbergasted that some people have different vendor requirements when it comes to their distro of choice!

I respect all that. But my memories of yum are SO SO BAD that I cannot imagine people PREFERRING it over alternatives.

[Leslieann]

But perhaps nowadays it is much better.

It's come a long ways in the last few years.

[sth]

sysadmins are really not installing packages all the time. occasionally, sure, but yum is Good Enough given the other advantages.

there's really no reason to be so flabbergasted that some people have different vendor requirements when it comes to their distro of choice!

I respect all that. But my memories of yum are SO SO BAD that I cannot imagine people PREFERRING it over alternatives.

yeah i don't have any love for yum, but i dont think there are too many people out there touting it as THE reason to use an rhel-based distro.

[iLLucionist]

But perhaps nowadays it is much better.

It's come a long ways in the last few years.

Good, perhaps I'll try CentOS on my server reinstall. Although I find it scary to change a winning recipe (Ubuntu LTS).

[digi]

CentOS

[SBJ]

Got my grandma to use Ubuntu since her laptop was so old Windows 7 was too demanding for it.
Her time with Ubuntu has proven to me that end users can definitely use Linux perfectly fine. She's been using Ubuntu for months and has had no issues performing day to day activities on it. She also enjoys the overall look and feel of Ubuntu more than Windows 7.
Lesson to be learned here: If my grandma can learn to use Linux then so can you.

I have some really cheap clients, ubuntu was perfect for them.
They had to compromise on some things (she used some edu site that didn't work on anything but win) but all in all they're satisfied.

[iLLucionist]

Got my grandma to use Ubuntu since her laptop was so old Windows 7 was too demanding for it.
Her time with Ubuntu has proven to me that end users can definitely use Linux perfectly fine. She's been using Ubuntu for months and has had no issues performing day to day activities on it. She also enjoys the overall look and feel of Ubuntu more than Windows 7.
Lesson to be learned here: If my grandma can learn to use Linux then so can you.

I have some really cheap clients, ubuntu was perfect for them.
They had to compromise on some things (she used some edu site that didn't work on anything but win) but all in all they're satisfied.

Fingers crossed now Canonical is taken Shuttleworth back as CEO, the employee firing, and the ditching of unity in favor of gnome (like that's progress imho unity sucks as much as modern gnome, but ok).

[xtrafrood]

Still on Manjaro i3 as I config Arch i3 in VM. The Vanilla only uses 90mb of ram (100mb < Manjaro i3). That's nice.

[iri]

But Manjaro doesn't use systemd

[vivalarevolución]

Got my grandma to use Ubuntu since her laptop was so old Windows 7 was too demanding for it.
Her time with Ubuntu has proven to me that end users can definitely use Linux perfectly fine. She's been using Ubuntu for months and has had no issues performing day to day activities on it. She also enjoys the overall look and feel of Ubuntu more than Windows 7.
Lesson to be learned here: If my grandma can learn to use Linux then so can you.

Lol, write to the Ubuntu people and they can use it as a testimonial.

[xtrafrood]

Still on Manjaro i3 as I config Arch i3 in VM. The Vanilla only uses 90mb of ram (100mb < Manjaro i3). That's nice.

But Manjaro doesn't use systemd

I'm fine with systemd. As it turns out, my Manjaro i3 utilizes systemd. I'm not fine with lightdm and other things I don't need that come bundled with Manjaro. I don't need a GDM. I'm fine with startx. If I need to expand what I do, I want a system I can clone without spending tons on RAM/energy for each node. I'm cheap; and slightly masochistic.

For me, an OpenRC install would lead to a full Gentoo install. Arch Wiki provides me with all the juice I need atm

[Jaymanlp]

Got my grandma to use Ubuntu since her laptop was so old Windows 7 was too demanding for it.
Her time with Ubuntu has proven to me that end users can definitely use Linux perfectly fine. She's been using Ubuntu for months and has had no issues performing day to day activities on it. She also enjoys the overall look and feel of Ubuntu more than Windows 7.
Lesson to be learned here: If my grandma can learn to use Linux then so can you.

Lol, write to the Ubuntu people and they can use it as a testimonial.

Grandma approved

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[dubious]

no yum still sucks

Respectfully, for the love of god why do SYSADMINS use CentOS if the thing that you are doing very often sucks the most, which is the package manager 'yum'.

Is it like... a religion? Like CentOS is based off of the "most widely used red hat distro in the whole industry". And people are like "shiiiit i must have this yo" amongst sysadmins?

It's just like the windows kids ... They want someone there to hold their hand while they venture into computerland and will give them support when things go TU

Our manager tried to get us to standardize on CentOS because "everyone" in the industry is using RHEL... but we just told him to shove it and ran ubuntu lts 

[iLLucionist]

no yum still sucks

Respectfully, for the love of god why do SYSADMINS use CentOS if the thing that you are doing very often sucks the most, which is the package manager 'yum'.

Is it like... a religion? Like CentOS is based off of the "most widely used red hat distro in the whole industry". And people are like "shiiiit i must have this yo" amongst sysadmins?

It's just like the windows kids ... They want someone there to hold their hand while they venture into computerland and will give them support when things go TU

Our manager tried to get us to standardize on CentOS because "everyone" in the industry is using RHEL... but we just told him to shove it and ran ubuntu lts 

Yeah... niceeeee. I like Ubuntu LTS very much. Never a hiccup so far **knock on my wood**

[SBJ]

Yeah... niceeeee. I like Ubuntu LTS very much. Never a hiccup so far **knock on my wood**

Yeah I haven't had a single error so far with my Ubuntu LTS server install.
Usually clone it each month so I can always go back if I need to. So far I haven't.

[iLLucionist]

Yeah... niceeeee. I like Ubuntu LTS very much. Never a hiccup so far **knock on my wood**

Yeah I haven't had a single error so far with my Ubuntu LTS server install.
Usually clone it each month so I can always go back if I need to. So far I haven't.

Tell me about cloning... you clone the partitions? And then set them back if things go haywire?

[SBJ]

Yeah... niceeeee. I like Ubuntu LTS very much. Never a hiccup so far **knock on my wood**

Yeah I haven't had a single error so far with my Ubuntu LTS server install.
Usually clone it each month so I can always go back if I need to. So far I haven't.

Tell me about cloning... you clone the partitions? And then set them back if things go haywire?

Basically yes.
I clone the entire drive where the install is (120gb ssd) to a storage drive.
Then if I **** something up I just go back a month.

[iLLucionist]

Yeah... niceeeee. I like Ubuntu LTS very much. Never a hiccup so far **knock on my wood**

Yeah I haven't had a single error so far with my Ubuntu LTS server install.
Usually clone it each month so I can always go back if I need to. So far I haven't.

Tell me about cloning... you clone the partitions? And then set them back if things go haywire?

Basically yes.
I clone the entire drive where the install is (120gb ssd) to a storage drive.
Then if I **** something up I just go back a month.

Do you use dd? How do you put it back? live cd --> mount internal volume --> mount external volume --> dd from external to internal --> run grub-install --> reboot?

[SBJ]

Yeah... niceeeee. I like Ubuntu LTS very much. Never a hiccup so far **knock on my wood**

Yeah I haven't had a single error so far with my Ubuntu LTS server install.
Usually clone it each month so I can always go back if I need to. So far I haven't.

Tell me about cloning... you clone the partitions? And then set them back if things go haywire?

Basically yes.
I clone the entire drive where the install is (120gb ssd) to a storage drive.
Then if I **** something up I just go back a month.

Do you use dd? How do you put it back? live cd --> mount internal volume --> mount external volume --> dd from external to internal --> run grub-install --> reboot?

I use CloneZilla. I've found it to be the easiest method for me.
I'm around the server a lot so the fact I have to be physically present isn't an issue at the moment.

[mnmlisme]

ABOUT to use linux mint. complete noob.

[G-Dubs]

I gave Fedora another chance on my Lenovo T420, which I'm really liking. I'm not a fan at all of Unity, so I can't wait until Ubuntu goes back to Gnome as its default DE, which will also probably be around the time I'll be in the market for a new desktop.

[iLLucionist]

I gave Fedora another chance on my Lenovo T420, which I'm really liking. I'm not a fan at all of Unity, so I can't wait until Ubuntu goes back to Gnome as its default DE, which will also probably be around the time I'll be in the market for a new desktop.

You know you can just install another desktop environment anytime right? Whatever you like. Ubuntu, Fedora, every gnu/linux distro.

[sth]

even though i'm probably being monitored by the chinese government, deepin linux is preeeeeeeeetty slick if you can forgive the lack of english language 'polish'. it's like what elementary has been trying to do all along but nicer.

[iLLucionist]

even though i'm probably being monitored by the chinese government, deepin linux is preeeeeeeeetty slick if you can forgive the lack of english language 'polish'. it's like what elementary has been trying to do all along but nicer.

i just bought a Lenovo X1 Carbon... so I guess I'm gonna be monitored as well.

[Leslieann]

I gave Fedora another chance on my Lenovo T420, which I'm really liking. I'm not a fan at all of Unity, so I can't wait until Ubuntu goes back to Gnome as its default DE, which will also probably be around the time I'll be in the market for a new desktop.

You know you can just install another desktop environment anytime right? Whatever you like. Ubuntu, Fedora, every gnu/linux distro.

Just a side not here...
You kind of have to be careful switching between Budgie, Cinnamon, Unity and Gnome, since all are based on Gnome 3 (Budgie may no longer be), each can and often will overwrite key files wrecking one or all of the desktop environments.


Oh, and there is an official Gnome edition of Ubuntu that is available.

[xtrafrood]

I gave Fedora another chance on my Lenovo T420, which I'm really liking. I'm not a fan at all of Unity, so I can't wait until Ubuntu goes back to Gnome as its default DE, which will also probably be around the time I'll be in the market for a new desktop.

You know you can just install another desktop environment anytime right? Whatever you like. Ubuntu, Fedora, every gnu/linux distro.

Just a side not here...
You kind of have to be careful switching between Budgie, Cinnamon, Unity and Gnome, since all are based on Gnome 3 (Budgie may no longer be), each can and often will overwrite key files wrecking one or all of the desktop environments.


Oh, and there is an official Gnome edition of Ubuntu that is available.

I've nothing but good experiences with Gnome 3 and laptop touchpads. I think I tried Unity a few years ago and switched to Linux Mint shortly after because of reasons. Be sure not to install the current (unofficial) Ubuntu Gnome as your primary (if you decide to check out the ISO..). That project is going to be abandoned in the wake of the official Ubuntu Gnome release.

[Leslieann]

I gave Fedora another chance on my Lenovo T420, which I'm really liking. I'm not a fan at all of Unity, so I can't wait until Ubuntu goes back to Gnome as its default DE, which will also probably be around the time I'll be in the market for a new desktop.

You know you can just install another desktop environment anytime right? Whatever you like. Ubuntu, Fedora, every gnu/linux distro.

Just a side not here...
You kind of have to be careful switching between Budgie, Cinnamon, Unity and Gnome, since all are based on Gnome 3 (Budgie may no longer be), each can and often will overwrite key files wrecking one or all of the desktop environments.


Oh, and there is an official Gnome edition of Ubuntu that is available.

I've nothing but good experiences with Gnome 3 and laptop touchpads. I think I tried Unity a few years ago and switched to Linux Mint shortly after because of reasons. Be sure not to install the current (unofficial) Ubuntu Gnome as your primary (if you decide to check out the ISO..). That project is going to be abandoned in the wake of the official Ubuntu Gnome release.

Since it's an official release, it would probably be rolled right into the next update, so support and updates shouldn't be a problem.

[sth]

lol deepin was cute but it lasted about a day. back to void + cwm + lemonbar. i'm using the musl version now!! i don't know what difference it's making but hey there you go.

[madhias]

Never heard from Void, as I read a little bit now it sounds interesting!

[sth]

Never heard from Void, as I read a little bit now it sounds interesting!

i always come back to void. it's just the best for me!

[Skull_Angel]

New Linux user

Decided to start with Antergos and using it as my main OS. Haven't done much aside bumble around; I'm loving the speed and stability, but it's got me looking forward to building an Archlinux box eventually which I can already feel is going to be time consuming the first time around, haha.