Double shot replacements ROUND THREE: Vote for Kits & Quantities!

[7bit_vote]

Chocolate kit


Just could not resist, sorry!

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[bugfix]

Shmexy.

[guilleguillaume]

That chocolate Kit its beautiful. With a wood case would look awesome.

I'm actually deciding wich kits will I want. Can't decide ...

[7bit]

Cherry, Geek Hack, Orange and Zewa are trademarks of their respective owners.

[Ekaros]

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Cherry, Geek Hack, Orange and Zewa are trademarks of their respective owners.

Just to ask, who owns the trademark for orange? And also that doesn't look like one, atleast size is off...

[Moogle Stiltzkin]

I own a typewriter (brother CE-650) with tripple shot keys plus windows in some keys (Cherry double shots look thin against these, BTW).

But as long as we did not find another source (would be pleased to find one here in Germany or at least somewhere in Europe), we have to stick to SP.

There are 4 options:
- Blanks with each key differently shaped window.
- Pad printing on top with somehow shaped window.
- Pad printing on the front with somehow shaped window.
- Regular double shots with home made hole in the front.

Now you GHers (mainly Moogle) may decide!

Well i wouldn't have minded the bottom rectangled window, but seeing as they can't do doubleshot for that, then not much point for me :/

So i'll pass on that. I'll try consult clickclack what he can do since he is a triple/quadrople shot specialist.

I am still interested regarding the left aligned Function keys with the loud , pause, play etc etc thingys though in doubleshot for the same layout/color as Mo1.

[7bit]

Well i wouldn't have minded the bottom rectangled window, but seeing as they can't do doubleshot for that, then not much point for me :/

So i'll pass on that. I'll try consult clickclack what he can do since he is a triple/quadrople shot specialist.

I am still interested regarding the left aligned Function keys with the loud , pause, play etc etc thingys though in doubleshot for the same layout/color as Mo1.

I'm disappointed myself about this outcome. I had hoped they would make the windows like Cherry does, or at least be able to do them with double shot labeling.

I will upload the Ducky kit as soon as possible.

[7bit]

Just to ask, who owns the trademark for orange? And also that doesn't look like one, atleast size is off...

Yes I magnified it. It's so damn difficult to get the real color of the key into a picture. It is a more cold orange. It looks as if it is a real orange, but it is a bit colder, lighter than the fruit next to the key (that round thinghy, you know).

PS: Yes, I know these are called differently. Just call it a mini orange.

[bugfix]

PS: Yes, I know these are called differently. Just call it a mini orange.

I'd call it Clementine.

Also another idea for a keycap (I hope I haven't overlooked this):



This (or similar) "reload arrow" as a replacement for F5.

[theferenc]

Or a tangerine, depeding on time of year. And I like the idea for F5 replacement!

[7bit]

I'd call it Clementine.

Also another idea for a keycap (I hope I haven't overlooked this):

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This (or similar) "reload arrow" as a replacement for F5.

You can have:

[SIZE=12]REVERT[/SIZE]
or
[SIZE=12]REFRESH[/SIZE]

The deal was originally: NO SYMBOLS!

Make your vector graphic and I send it in to SP.

[bugfix]

The deal was originally: NO SYMBOLS!

Wooops, I'd assumed that symbols were okay because of the awesomeface...

[sixty]

Real pros make their own Cherry window keys:



+



=

[7bit]

Real pros make their own Cherry window keys:

[CHERRY KEY WITH VERTICAL HOLE]
+
[EMPTY VIAGRA PACKAGE]
=
[CHERRY KEY WITH WINDOW]

Ingenious!

I will show this to the folks at SP.

PS:
Evil idea: Since you will ship Moogle some Cherry keys, you can make him those LED-window keys and ship them along.

[7bit]

Wooops, I'd assumed that symbols were okay because of the awesomeface...

I'm just waiting for a response from SP about symbols for the Ducky keyboard. But I'm afraid, these will cost the same as Awesome face et al.

Yours will not be an exception. Symbols are OK, but will cost extra, except for the Windows flag and that diamond key from round 1, or arrows etc.

[itlnstln]

Damn, sixty.  You're really poppin' those pills.  Do you need help?  A keyboard addiction is much safer than turning to drugs.

[7bit]

Damn, sixty.  You're really poppin' those pills.  Do you need help?  A keyboard addiction is much safer than turning to drugs.

I guess these pills are necessary for his keyboard porn productions.

I'd also like to know about Awesome/Reddit volume pricing (100 units each).  At $4 a key that seems high.

Is that what the Geekhack Red and Orange key ran?

Pricing is for 25 keys.

I wait for response.

Please, be patient .....

[chuckading]

I hate to ask again, but still any word on wether or not the Leopold space bars can be made by SP?

[7bit]

I hate to ask again, but still any word on wether or not the Leopold space bars can be made by SP?

I've got the drawings 90% ready and will send them off today.

Her answer was a bit sideways. She said, yes they have different spacebars, did not answer if it is possible to adjust the key mounts and nope there wiill be no spacebar for those older Cherry keyboards, but maybe a spacebar which is a bit shorter.

I send her the drawings with all measures and hope they find a way to make all of these ...

[7bit_vote]

Cherry experts!

Please verify if these are the spacebars we need:




The spacebar for old G80-3000 seems to be covered by the MX-11800.

Please tell me if there are any spacebrs not covered by these.


PS: Filco/current Cherry G80-3000 are well-known and already part of the Standard kit.

[Twitchy]

Any news on the prices for blank kits yet? The quotes for miniguru keys here suggest that blanks should be significantly cheaper.

[7bit]

Any news on the prices for blank kits yet? The quotes for miniguru keys here suggest that blanks should be significantly cheaper.

The $35.31 are for 61 keys.

$45 for 104 plus the 2 extra single sized keys, necessary for ISO-layout.

Not too bad, in my opinion.

But interesting to see, that they would even produce 5 keys....

[7bit_vote]

Please don't get offended by the title:


I asked SP if these symbols count as text.

@moogle: I will order those Function keys (F1-F12) off-center if you like, just was too lazy to do these off-center, for now.

The symbols tell a little story:
I typed on my keyboard when the telephone rang: Bio-hazzard in the coffee factory --- Death!

[bugfix]

Please don't get offended by the title:

Analphabets eh? :biggrin:

[7bit]

If you don't like to scratch you key caps, you should use the 'wanna switch?' toy for decoration only!

I don't want to hear any complaints afterwards.

You had been warned!

[duq]

EDIT: OOPS. Thanks lootbag.

[lootbag]

STANDARD 1
EMAIL dareuhl(at)gmail(dot)com

hey
you got to PM 7bit_vote, not in the thread.

[chuckading]

Please don't get offended by the title:

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I asked SP if these symbols count as text.

@moogle: I will order those Function keys (F1-F12) off-center if you like, just was too lazy to do these off-center, for now.

The symbols tell a little story:
I typed on my keyboard when the telephone rang: Bio-hazzard in the coffee factory --- Death!

7Bit, are those symbols a done deal on F1-F3.  I know on almost all mac keyboards, volume up is on F12, volume down is F11, and mute is on F10. Since F keys F9-F10 don't have anything printed on them in the an-alphabetics kit, could those be swapped? If not, no biggy, just wanted to know.

Edit: Actually, instead, to keep it like the set implies, remove the F1, F2, F3, etc. characters from the function keys and just keep the symbols. That would also allow anyone to place those media keys in any top row key position.

[7bit]

I'd pick the more rounded options.  The one from the first buy is sharper than most.

Signature is the gray one in the middle.

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That about the spacebar for older Cherry G80-3000 was a false info (typo in the measures).

The one from round 1 is well known and we don't need to take care of that.

I thought about taking a spacebar from SA-family:



This one should be round enough.

What do you think, should I include it as an option?


Update: Just got an info from SP that they have the tools to make a spacebar which fits the leopods, except that the mounts are at a fixed distance.

This means: glue the mount do the spacebar by yourself or just forget about the Leopold.

Same for the space bar for old Cherry keyboards...

[SIZE=12]:-([/SIZE]

[duq]

hey
you got to PM 7bit_vote, not in the thread.

thanks lootbag.

[chuckading]

Update: Just got an info from SP that they have the tools to make a spacebar which fits the leopods, except that the mounts are at a fixed distance.

This means: glue the mount do the spacebar by yourself or just forget about the Leopold.

Same for the space bar for old Cherry keyboards...[/B]

Glue the mount as in cut the mount from the underside of the spacebar, and glue it in the appropriate place?

[7bit]

Glue the mount as in cut the mount from the underside of the spacebar, and glue it in the appropriate place?

Exaclty!

It is very disappointing. I was quite sure they can't make the Leopold spacebar. But I thought they had the tools to make the one for the older Cherry boards.

Wait a minute, news from SP ....

... maybe she has at least a spacebar for the old Cherries.

Maybe there is a shorter spacebar which would fit the Leopold....

Just need to wait for confirmation....

[sixty]

Same for the space bar for old Cherry keyboards...

Can't really be the case, since the original Korean order that our order was cloned after, included old-style Cherry spacebars. I'm starting to believe SP is like Cherry and does not know about their own inventory.

[7bit]

Can't really be the case, since the original Korean order that our order was cloned after, included old-style Cherry spacebars. I'm starting to believe SP is like Cherry and does not know about their own inventory.

I think the problem are measure tolerances:

The genuine spacebar is 133mm long (measured by myseld up to 1mm accuracy) and ClickClack measured his at 131.6.

I think he gave the inside measure, or it is really shorter.

SP said, nope 131.6mm not available.
Grrrr!

Now she has got a 133mm one wiith hopefully adjustable keymounts.

BTW: Do you know if it would be a problme if the Leopold spacebar is shorter than 118mm and longer than 98mm?

[sixty]

Old pic, best I have here with me at the office right now, Leopold:



Shorter than 118 should be fine

[7bit]

7Bit, are those symbols a done deal on F1-F3.  I know on almost all mac keyboards, volume up is on F12, volume down is F11, and mute is on F10. Since F keys F9-F10 don't have anything printed on them in the an-alphabetics kit, could those be swapped? If not, no biggy, just wanted to know.

Edit: Actually, instead, to keep it like the set implies, remove the F1, F2, F3, etc. characters from the function keys and just keep the symbols. That would also allow anyone to place those media keys in any top row key position.

F1 to F12: yes, counts as text!
I will ask her if mute etc are available, too.

I did these for Moogle's Ducky keyboard. So I would add your suggestion as well.

The symbols in the 2nd row are not text (ie same as awesome face et al.). Have no confirmation yet about diamond, square, circle, trianlge, but could be text too.

[7bit]

Old pic, best I have here with me at the office right now, Leopold:

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Shorter than 118 should be fine

I fency it's the Leopold.

I really hope she has got something in between, which is not too much off.

122mm.

If it does not fit perfectly, they should machine the sidewalls away!

PS: Office?

[sixty]

I fency it's the Leopold.

I really hope she has got something in between, which is not too much off.

122mm.

If it does not fit perfectly, they should machine the sidewalls away!

PS: Office?

We can always go with extra bigger ALT keys, eh? Kidding, of course.

Yeah, I'm still at the office. I usually stay here till about midnight to take care of my internet addiction. Since T-Online still did not manage to get my connection back online again at home after they put me to VDSL, which is not available, resulting in my net being offline since about 1.5 months or so now. All hail the pink empire.

[7bit]

We can always go with extra bigger ALT keys, eh? Kidding, of course.

Yeah, I'm still at the office. I usually stay here till about midnight to take care of my internet addiction. Since T-Online still did not manage to get my connection back online again at home after they put me to VDSL, which is not available, resulting in my net being offline since about 1.5 months or so now. All hail the pink empire.

I will ask Mrs. Signature about double sized keys with an off-center keystem...


ps: Telekom sucks! We had a similar problem when we needed an extra line at a different location, with one of our existing telephone numbers.
Old line dead, internet totally dead, but no connection at the new office...

ps/2: What about Arcor (or now vodafone)?

usb: seems she only works until 1500 local time, no response today.

[Half-Saint]

So to make the long story short... are old-style (no-Windows keys) Cherry spacebars available or not? I read the last two pages and I'm still not certain.

[sixty]

The Korean set had them, SP can make them. They should be available.

[7bit]

So to make the long story short... are old-style (no-Windows keys) Cherry spacebars available or not? I read the last two pages and I'm still not certain.

The Korean set had them, SP can make them. They should be available.

They said first no, not available (just because her spacebar was 1.4mm longer than the measures I gave her) and now yes they are available. She is looking for a solution (shorter spacebar) for the Leopold keyboards.

[Half-Saint]

I can't send you a PM at the moment, OfficeScan keeps blocking the private.php page...

If I don't want the whole orange gamer set, is there a W,A,S,D set with or without arrows printed on the side?

If I vote:
STANDARD 1
DE 1
ONEHALFMOD 1
ORANGE 1
SPACEGREY 0
SPACEOLDGREY 1

Will that cover my old G80-1800?

On the side note, I'm surprised nobody requested diff. color modifiers. For example, RED modifier keys would look great on a black keyboard.

Cheers
SainT

[7bit_vote]

7Bit, are those symbols a done deal on F1-F3.  I know on almost all mac keyboards, volume up is on F12, volume down is F11, and mute is on F10. Since F keys F9-F10 don't have anything printed on them in the an-alphabetics kit, could those be swapped? If not, no biggy, just wanted to know.

Edit: Actually, instead, to keep it like the set implies, remove the F1, F2, F3, etc. characters from the function keys and just keep the symbols. That would also allow anyone to place those media keys in any top row key position.

Symbols kit is available @ $10:

Symbols kit

• function-row media buttons for the Ducky.
• media buttons for apple users, with and without F1-F12 labels, all for top rows.
• diamond, square, circle, triangle, all for top rows.
• ... and some more symbol-keys, where the symbols count as text.

I will provide a layout scheme as soon as possible.

[wulax]

Hmm, I am still undecided whether or not to buy these keys.
Are "Nordic Language kit" and "Language kit" two separate kits now? Am I reading it right that Standard + Nordic + shipping is (if I add a Nordic):
50 + 14*25/9 + 14 = $103

Thanks for your patience with my confused mind.

[7bit]

Hmm, I am still undecided whether or not to buy these keys.
Are "Nordic Language kit" and "Language kit" two separate kits now? Am I reading it right that Standard + Nordic + shipping is (if I add a Nordic):
50 + 14*25/9 + 14 = $103

Thanks for your patience with my confused mind.

You read the statistics, right?

Code: [Select]


UK..........................7 (Language kit) ($7)
DE..........................6 (Nordic Language kit) ($14)
FI..........................3 (Nordic Language kit) ($14)
SE..........................1 (Nordic Language kit) ($14)
NORDIC....................... (Nordic Language kit) ($14)
AT........................... (Nordic Language kit) ($14)
DK........................... (Nordic Language kit) ($14)
NO........................... (Nordic Language kit) ($14)
ES..........................2 (Language kit) ($10)
NL........................... (Language kit) ($12)
FR..........................1 (Language kit) ($13)
COLEMAK....................12 (Language kit) ($5)
DVORAK......................3 (Language kit) ($8)


50 + 14*25/9 + 14 = $103
The 14*25/9 are not the price if only 9 are produced, because lower quantities cost not that much higher.

Also, the $ is not so expansive;-)

Twitchy dug out this pricelist from the Lowpoly's mini-guru-thread:

Pricing is as follows:
2-shot keyset:
5 sets $211.50 / set
10 sets $116.03 / set
15 sets $86.62 / set
20 sets $71.92 / set
25 sets $63.09 / set
50 sets $45.44 / set
100 sets $36.62 / set

This was for a 61 key (60%) layout.

14/63.09*116.03 = 25.747661980
around $25 per set of 10 produced.
against 14*25/10 = 35

Not too bad.

[Soarer]

Not taking into account that some keys cost more than others, it seems to work out at around $14.46 setup cost plus $0.46 per key, for each key variant.

So it's that setup cost that needs to be shared around. But on fewer than 10 sets it looks like there's a little extra 'hassle' fee!

For the 61 key sets...

[7bit]

Definitive no to the Leopold spacebar.

They don't have any spacebar tool (not even from a different family) that has got adjustable mounts, smaller than 7 units, and none that would fit right away.

[hfcobra]

we need this for sure!

http://i.feureau.com/trollface.svg

red key with black trollface is my vote on the colors, they look very good on a black keyboard imo

[sixty]

Cherry Corp was 34 Euro for 104 default key sets, double shot if you ordered 300. That price is from 2008.