Author Topic: [IC] JTK Classic Retro Cyrillic (I need your help) (Read 66641 times)

Sycomore · « **Reply #100 on:** Sun, 22 November 2020, 23:45:19 »

Quote from: KawabataLuis on Sun, 22 November 2020, 17:50:53

Nice, def in.

Is the 6u spacebar centered or off-centered? Wanting some compatibility for topre hhkb.

I've got my fingers crossed for a centered 6u spacebar for my modded 87u

ubmit · « **Reply #101 on:** Sun, 29 November 2020, 10:57:20 »

I had to skip Griseann, but I won't skip this one! Keep up with the good work

HoodrowThrillson · « **Reply #102 on:** Wed, 02 December 2020, 07:42:49 »

This set will be receiving a lot more love once JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha finishes.

Kit will probably go through some culling (removal of certain keys).

The following keys I will be evaluating:
Tripleshot Alt Gr
R4 caps lock

PeppyToad · « **Reply #103 on:** Wed, 02 December 2020, 07:45:07 »

Thank you for the new R2 1.5u Backspace legend, bless you!

krzank · « **Reply #104 on:** Wed, 02 December 2020, 09:43:17 »

Please consider icon mods

HoodrowThrillson · « **Reply #105 on:** Wed, 02 December 2020, 11:32:30 »

Quote from: krzank on Wed, 02 December 2020, 09:43:17

Please consider icon mods

Since this is a "classic retro" type set, icon mods have no place in this

Nuclear Nachos · « **Reply #106 on:** Wed, 02 December 2020, 11:41:17 »

is there an estimate for prices? or is it too far out to get a good estimate rn

HoodrowThrillson · « **Reply #107 on:** Wed, 02 December 2020, 12:30:39 »

Quote from: Nuclear Nachos on Wed, 02 December 2020, 11:41:17

is there an estimate for prices? or is it too far out to get a good estimate rn

Once final kitting is made, we will get quotes.

elisha · « **Reply #108 on:** Thu, 03 December 2020, 02:30:29 »

cool clean set

hottrout · « **Reply #109 on:** Thu, 03 December 2020, 04:32:15 »

Great set and thank you for a very well thought out base set. I am in for this.

York Chan · « **Reply #110 on:** Thu, 03 December 2020, 04:50:41 »

I like this

Jefff · « **Reply #111 on:** Thu, 03 December 2020, 19:12:39 »

I've heard rumors of JTK sets having QC issues, is that something I should worry about?

xanserkx · « **Reply #112 on:** Fri, 04 December 2020, 15:33:27 »

I think we need Cherry OG logo for this set

treeleaf64 · « **Reply #113 on:** Fri, 04 December 2020, 15:38:06 »

new jtk seems to be good

Zestrion · « **Reply #114 on:** Tue, 08 December 2020, 20:45:27 »

This is a cop from me, too classic to pass by. Didn't join ePBT, but will definitely be joining this. The more I look at it, the more I like it.

resetLetki · « **Reply #115 on:** Fri, 11 December 2020, 08:20:09 »

Can't go wrong with the classics

actress · « **Reply #116 on:** Fri, 11 December 2020, 11:40:04 »

Can't wait for this one!!

HoodrowThrillson · « **Reply #117 on:** Wed, 30 December 2020, 09:30:59 »

Updates to base kit

Removed Alt Gr tripleshot
Removed R3 control (both variants)
Removed R4 caps lock

Reason for doing so are that new molds are kind of expensive, once the cost trickles down to consumers it'll increase base kit prices by too much.

Ensaum · « **Reply #118 on:** Wed, 30 December 2020, 10:40:44 »

Quote from: HoodrowThrillson on Wed, 30 December 2020, 09:30:59

Removed R3 control (both variants)

Why would you remove hhkb support? Why not remove one of the two now irrelevant 1.5u backspaces instead?

HoodrowThrillson · « **Reply #119 on:** Wed, 30 December 2020, 11:17:08 »

Quote from: Ensaum on Wed, 30 December 2020, 10:40:44

Quote from: HoodrowThrillson on Wed, 30 December 2020, 09:30:59
Removed R3 control (both variants)

Why would you remove hhkb support? Why not remove one of the two now irrelevant 1.5u backspaces instead?

I'll probably add those back in, my mistake. I realized JTK already has the mold for R3 control (maybe not for stepped so that one I'll think about a little harder).

Since I'm not an HHKB user, I'm not sure how many people use stepped control.

Ensaum · « **Reply #120 on:** Wed, 30 December 2020, 11:36:50 »

Quote from: HoodrowThrillson on Wed, 30 December 2020, 11:17:08

Quote from: Ensaum on Wed, 30 December 2020, 10:40:44
Quote from: HoodrowThrillson on Wed, 30 December 2020, 09:30:59
Removed R3 control (both variants)

Why would you remove hhkb support? Why not remove one of the two now irrelevant 1.5u backspaces instead?
I'll probably add those back in, my mistake. I realized JTK already has the mold for R3 control (maybe not for stepped so that one I'll think about a little harder).

Since I'm not an HHKB user, I'm not sure how many people use stepped control.

I think non-stepped is more important. I've personally never used stepped control and I think it's more meant for people who already have a stepped caps lock and want to swap it with control.

catamscott · « **Reply #121 on:** Wed, 30 December 2020, 15:11:40 »

Quote from: HoodrowThrillson on Wed, 30 December 2020, 11:17:08

Quote from: Ensaum on Wed, 30 December 2020, 10:40:44
Quote from: HoodrowThrillson on Wed, 30 December 2020, 09:30:59
Removed R3 control (both variants)

Why would you remove hhkb support? Why not remove one of the two now irrelevant 1.5u backspaces instead?
I'll probably add those back in, my mistake. I realized JTK already has the mold for R3 control (maybe not for stepped so that one I'll think about a little harder).

Since I'm not an HHKB user, I'm not sure how many people use stepped control.

i use stepped control, though i'm sure we're a rather small contingent

guzzi · « **Reply #122 on:** Fri, 01 January 2021, 11:31:56 »

Very much on board with the removal of the triple shot Alt-Gr; personally I'm in favor of the re-introduction of R3 Control.
Any thoughts on accent-enter for numpad?

zian_ · « **Reply #123 on:** Fri, 01 January 2021, 22:05:30 »

HoodrowThrillson · « **Reply #124 on:** Wed, 06 January 2021, 08:01:19 »

Quote from: guzzi on Fri, 01 January 2021, 11:31:56

Very much on board with the removal of the triple shot Alt-Gr; personally I'm in favor of the re-introduction of R3 Control.
Any thoughts on accent-enter for numpad?

Accent enter on numpad, that I am on the fence but leaning towards no.

vsrnth · « **Reply #125 on:** Wed, 06 January 2021, 08:02:29 »

Any chance for a separate r5 kit or r5 bottom row?

Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk

HoodrowThrillson · « **Reply #126 on:** Wed, 06 January 2021, 10:19:27 »

Quote from: vsrnth on Wed, 06 January 2021, 08:02:29

Any chance for a separate r5 kit or r5 bottom row?

Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk

I would love to have R5, however, to my understanding JTK does not have R5 molds

kevchigga · « **Reply #127 on:** Fri, 08 January 2021, 10:18:57 »

Turnaround time for JTK usually a bit faster than GMK or roughly about the same-ish? Given that there's still a pandemic going on, my guess is roughly the same? Regardless, still definitely gonna be joining this! Lovely set!

vladimir108 · « **Reply #128 on:** Mon, 11 January 2021, 14:38:17 »

Cool kit!

WHAT!? · « **Reply #129 on:** Thu, 14 January 2021, 11:18:17 »

Well that's the base kit and the alternate alphas sold.

I miss the 90's and I don't have a set that resembles this yet. Killer combo.

zwartho · « **Reply #130 on:** Thu, 14 January 2021, 15:45:56 »

Nice work. Haven't considered getting a JTK kit until this.

VXQN · « **Reply #131 on:** Fri, 15 January 2021, 03:48:58 »

Been wanting a modern beige kit, so yep, I'm in.

HoodrowThrillson · « **Reply #132 on:** Fri, 22 January 2021, 08:31:41 »

Small update and some deciding I have to do, letting y'all know for transparency.

These keys will require new molds or cost more in general (JTK does not make keys one at a time, rather an entire set at one time)
Mod colored tilde (with triple shot)
F13
1U backslash (with triple shot)
1.5U backslash (with triple shot)
R3 Control and stepped Control
F and J barred (with triple shot)
R4 backslash
Extra B
Alt Gr key
00 for numpad

Now, I have to do the hard part of deciding what to cut and what to keep.

What I do know:
New tripleshot molds are expensive (laughs in JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha)
I'm more inclined to get doubleshot molds made over tripleshot molds.

Possible solutions to some of these:
Mod colored tilde (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend
F13 - remove
1U backslash (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend
1.5U backslash (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend
R3 Control and stepped Control - keep and get mold made
F and J barred (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend OR get tripleshot mold made
R4 backslash - change to single shot with no sublegend
Extra B - change to single shot with no sublegend OR remove
Alt Gr key - keep and get mold made
00 for numpad - this should be part of JTK Griseann/RA so I've asked about this key.

Thoughts?

For a better understanding of what I'm talking about, I recommend looking at JTK Azure.

Suli · « **Reply #133 on:** Fri, 22 January 2021, 11:39:53 »

Quote from: HoodrowThrillson on Fri, 22 January 2021, 08:31:41

Small update and some deciding I have to do, letting y'all know for transparency.

These keys will require new molds or cost more in general (JTK does not make keys one at a time, rather an entire set at one time)
Mod colored tilde (with triple shot)
F13
1U backslash (with triple shot)
1.5U backslash (with triple shot)
R3 Control and stepped Control
F and J barred (with triple shot)
R4 backslash
Extra B
Alt Gr key
00 for numpad

Now, I have to do the hard part of deciding what to cut and what to keep.

What I do know:
New tripleshot molds are expensive (laughs in JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha)
I'm more inclined to get doubleshot molds made over tripleshot molds.

Possible solutions to some of these:
Mod colored tilde (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend
F13 - remove
1U backslash (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend
1.5U backslash (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend
R3 Control and stepped Control - keep and get mold made
F and J barred (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend OR get tripleshot mold made
R4 backslash - change to single shot with no sublegend
Extra B - change to single shot with no sublegend OR remove
Alt Gr key - keep and get mold made
00 for numpad - this should be part of JTK Griseann/RA so I've asked about this key.

Thoughts?

For a better understanding of what I'm talking about, I recommend looking at JTK Azure.

Why F13 need to be removed if it's doubleshot and not tripleshot? Why extra B needs to be removed if it already has a mold for it?

Howgii · « **Reply #134 on:** Fri, 22 January 2021, 11:48:00 »

Quote from: HoodrowThrillson on Fri, 22 January 2021, 08:31:41

Small update and some deciding I have to do, letting y'all know for transparency.

These keys will require new molds or cost more in general (JTK does not make keys one at a time, rather an entire set at one time)
Mod colored tilde (with triple shot)
F13
1U backslash (with triple shot)
1.5U backslash (with triple shot)
R3 Control and stepped Control
F and J barred (with triple shot)
R4 backslash
Extra B
Alt Gr key
00 for numpad

Now, I have to do the hard part of deciding what to cut and what to keep.

What I do know:
New tripleshot molds are expensive (laughs in JTK Griseann/Royal Alpha)
I'm more inclined to get doubleshot molds made over tripleshot molds.

Possible solutions to some of these:
Mod colored tilde (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend
F13 - remove
1U backslash (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend
1.5U backslash (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend
R3 Control and stepped Control - keep and get mold made
F and J barred (with triple shot) - change to double shot with no sublegend OR get tripleshot mold made
R4 backslash - change to single shot with no sublegend
Extra B - change to single shot with no sublegend OR remove
Alt Gr key - keep and get mold made
00 for numpad - this should be part of JTK Griseann/RA so I've asked about this key.

Thoughts?

For a better understanding of what I'm talking about, I recommend looking at JTK Azure.

I agree with the decision to keep Alt Gr triple shot but would like the barred homing keys to be triple shot as well.

HoodrowThrillson · « **Reply #135 on:** Fri, 22 January 2021, 16:07:48 »

Quote from: Suli on Fri, 22 January 2021, 11:39:53

Why F13 need to be removed if it's doubleshot and not tripleshot? Why extra B needs to be removed if it already has a mold for it?

New mold, not many people use it.
Extra B means they would have to do an entire run of alphas to get the Bs. (JTK doesn't make 1 key at a time, rather an entire set.)

Quote from: Howgii on Fri, 22 January 2021, 11:48:00

I agree with the decision to keep Alt Gr triple shot but would like the barred homing keys to be triple shot as well.

That would require new molds which are way way way more expensive than making a new double shot mold.

I've asked for pricing as it currently stands to see how expensive it'll be, as well as pricing for some of the different options.

HoodrowThrillson · « **Reply #136 on:** Fri, 22 January 2021, 19:07:30 »

Here is JTK Vostok.

This shows some of the solutions they came up with for not having a lot of the keys I listed above (mostly going for the doubleshot version vs the tripleshot version)

Chippy · « **Reply #137 on:** Sat, 23 January 2021, 23:49:11 »

really interested to see how the final kitting turns out for this. I am happy it seems to be moving forward well. It doesn't really fit the theme of the set but any chance for jtk/cherry novelties?

HoodrowThrillson · « **Reply #138 on:** Wed, 27 January 2021, 07:18:12 »

I need your help.

I want the community input in deciding what molds get made and where this set goes.

When I run sets, I want to offer compatibility that covers a wide variety of boards (including you ISO homies) and use cases. What threw me for a loop was the lack of barred tripleshot F and J, 2 keys I find to be useful and quite integral for many people. I don't want to ramble on, but I will say that I have thought about shelfing this set entirely because it wouldn't feel good running something that is missing certain tripleshot keys that are important for certain users.

PLEASE FILL THIS OUT

For the time being, this set will not launch in March since I want to put greater effort into this. I would hate to just push this out the door with what compatibility is required. I would also hate having to raise the cost of the set because I want all the molds made. We have to find a happy medium.

HoodrowThrillson · « **Reply #139 on:** Wed, 27 January 2021, 07:18:56 »

catamscott · « **Reply #140 on:** Wed, 27 January 2021, 14:11:05 »

Quote from: HoodrowThrillson on Wed, 27 January 2021, 07:18:12

I need your help....

in regards to being okay with a doubleshot b, does that mean second b or both b keycaps? the circling on the kit render seems like it's regarding second b, but i wanted to clarify and make sure.

actress · « **Reply #141 on:** Wed, 27 January 2021, 15:00:42 »

nooo please run this set!!
Maybe even consider making this an alpha addon set rather than shelfing it

HoodrowThrillson · « **Reply #142 on:** Wed, 27 January 2021, 16:39:33 »

Quote from: catamscott on Wed, 27 January 2021, 14:11:05

Quote from: HoodrowThrillson on Wed, 27 January 2021, 07:18:12
I need your help....

in regards to being okay with a doubleshot b, does that mean second b or both b keycaps? the circling on the kit render seems like it's regarding second b, but i wanted to clarify and make sure.

the 2nd B, not both.

Quote from: actress on Wed, 27 January 2021, 15:00:42

nooo please run this set!!
Maybe even consider making this an alpha addon set rather than shelfing it

Still wouldn't solve the problem of missing certain keys. People would be locked into alpha colored tilde, etc.

vladimir108 · « **Reply #143 on:** Fri, 29 January 2021, 16:27:09 »

Hello, for HHKB is missing in "Alt Alphas" kit: R1 1U <\|> keycap only wit black legends. It's only in "Base kit" but with black/red legends.

Domantas · « **Reply #144 on:** Fri, 29 January 2021, 23:33:29 »

Kitting looks quite nice i just wish alice spacebars would be in base kit while spacebars kit could have spacebars for very 'unique' layouts such as 6u, forties, maybe accented and so on, since I would say alice is becoming mainstream unlike 40% and 6u. After that you just need some more exposure and this should be very saught after for everybody who wants to try tripleshot.

I like variety, but i also wish that 6u would become old og set kind of thing like xbox backspace is and it would be nice if we look at it more as novelty rather than standart key.

Btw Alt gr is dope!

vpro · « **Reply #145 on:** Mon, 01 February 2021, 06:10:47 »

Is it, by any chance, possible to make Ukrainian/Belorussian versions of the S, `, and [ keys? Otherwise, it's not Cyrillic, it's just Russian.

Domantas · « **Reply #146 on:** Thu, 18 February 2021, 05:32:04 »

Will this match gmk l9 u9 spacebar kit? I ordered those and if this is honestly color matched than cool

dulcemorgue · « **Reply #147 on:** Thu, 18 February 2021, 14:00:57 »

Looking great! I'm in

Rx003 · « **Reply #148 on:** Fri, 19 February 2021, 03:27:00 »

I like this I will be saving this for now

good luck and I wish you all the best Sire!

vladimir108 · « **Reply #149 on:** Fri, 19 February 2021, 05:48:52 »

Quote from: vladimir108 on Fri, 29 January 2021, 16:27:09

Hello, for HHKB is missing in "Alt Alphas" kit: R1 1U <\|> keycap only wit black legends. It's only in "Base kit" but with black/red legends.

Nothing? :-(

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Author Topic: [IC] JTK Classic Retro Cyrillic (I need your help) (Read 66641 times)