Vendors | Base kit (MOQ 150) | Compatibility kit (MOQ 150) | RAMA X/O | RAMA Laser-etched X/O | ||||
MyKeyboard (EU)1 | 125€ | 36€ | 42€ | 44€ | ||||
KONO (USA) | $140 | $40 | $36 | $38 | ||||
zFrontier (Asia)2 | $1402|$1553 | $40|$45 | $36 | $38 |
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Smart move to merge sets. I'm still liking it :PShow Image(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/563c788ae4b099120ae219e2/5aafa81b758d463a2268c4ce/5aafa81b562fa7d5c73c2191/1521461295107/RAMA-M60-A-03.677.jpg)
really dislike the removal of iso. ISO needs 4 keys (enter,shift, r3, r4).
Why not make separate kits for all "fringe" layouts, such as WKL?
This is great, i agree that ISO keys should never be a part of the base kit.I am in favor of this.
I also like icon mods a bit more.
I would suggest doing a red stormtrooper novelty, everybody likes red. Also add R3 page up, R4 page down for people who like to run the new standard for 65/75%.
R1 Home
R2 End
R3 Page up
R4 Page down
This is great, i agree that ISO keys should never be a part of the base kit.
I also like icon mods a bit more.
I would suggest doing a red stormtrooper novelty, everybody likes red. Also add R3 page up, R4 page down for people who like to run the new standard for 65/75%.
R1 Home
R2 End
R3 Page up
R4 Page down
Smart move to merge sets. I'm still liking it :PShow Image(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/563c788ae4b099120ae219e2/5aafa81b758d463a2268c4ce/5aafa81b562fa7d5c73c2191/1521461295107/RAMA-M60-A-03.677.jpg)
I'm in when it goes to GB.
Yeah, im ready. Faboulous collaboration.
KMK Labs.
The pinnacle of bow and wob keysets. I'll be waiting for it to hit novelkeys.
As I said on both threads, I like it.
Good to see ISO not in the base kit.
Numpad in extra kit when? ;)
we are going to remove the split spacebars.
Are you going to have a spacebar kit? I'd love to in some way be able to get 2x 2U spacebars...
However I am against the following:
- removal of split spacebar support
Loving the WS2. This looks like the definitive BoW set in my opinion. I’m all in!Why thank you :3
However I am against the following:
- the R4 1u novelties will be changed for 1.5u novelties
I'd personally love using the Star Wars themed novelties as 1u R4 keys. It'd be neat if that option were available for Winkey users. Split spacebars have become more and more popular lately and supported widely across more PCBs. Removing support for them seems exclusive.
Isn't there already an Fn 1u R4 key? Will a second be added according to the current OP?
Finally, I would like to suggest changing the "purse" Caps Lock icon to the downward facing arrow that is used in GMK Skidata, GMK 9009 R2, etc
Any chance of including those split spacebars in the base kit?
Update
This collaboration was first announced under the name Stormtrooper Redux. That said, after talking to GMK, and for licensing purposes, they asked us to check with Disney (or change it). Same goes for the novelties which is why we put them on pause. Novelty-wise, even if we got the approval from Disney, that kit would have a MOQ of 250 units and we are not sure we would reach it. Since we are slowly moving away from the theme, we decided to go back to monochrome :slight_smile: Sorry for all the confusion guys <2
Why would the novelties have an MOQ of 250? They weren't using custom colors were they?
I don't think you'll have any trouble hitting 250 for star wars themed novelties. Getting Disney's approval would be the issue and even if they do approve, they'll probably want it run under their property licensing system.
Why would the novelties have an MOQ of 250? They weren't using custom colors were they?
this is what Michael told me:
"Since these are new symbols the normal MOQ would be 250."
I have no idea if this is even remotely true or not, but that's a direct copy/paste from the mail he sent me this morning :)
Why would the novelties have an MOQ of 250? They weren't using custom colors were they?
this is what Michael told me:
"Since these are new symbols the normal MOQ would be 250."
I have no idea if this is even remotely true or not, but that's a direct copy/paste from the mail he sent me this morning :)
Why would the novelties have an MOQ of 250? They weren't using custom colors were they?
this is what Michael told me:
"Since these are new symbols the normal MOQ would be 250."
I have no idea if this is even remotely true or not, but that's a direct copy/paste from the mail he sent me this morning :)
That's weird because that's contrary to all of my dealings with GMK that concerned custom legends/icons. It was Michael I was in contact with for GMK Heck-keys, and they were a custom mold with only 150 MOQ, so that's what it should be unless they've recently changed their requirements on that.
Yes I am talking to Michael as well (I'm wondering if he is not the only guy there haha). I sent him another mail to clarify this, a MOQ of 150 would make it really more accessible I feel like. Thanks for sharing this, I hope it will get things moving a little bit (though the licensing problem remains).
If we're going to have to hit that MOQ anyway, we should go full on Aurabesh alphas. ;D
That's not really what he asked, let me rephrase for him with a grain of salt added by me: Why not make a TKL base, as we've noticed that, for the most part, the majority of mechanical keyboard enthusiasts do not use ANYTHING ELSE.really dislike the removal of iso. ISO needs 4 keys (enter,shift, r3, r4).
Why not make separate kits for all "fringe" layouts, such as WKL?
You may have missed it but ISO is in the extras. We covered this in the original post.
"Q: Why is ISO in the extras kit?
A: We have noticed that, for the most part, the majority of mechanical keyboard enthusiasts do not use ISO.
By taking these keys out of the base we can lower pricing for everyone else.
However, we aren’t opposed to combining the kits, or moving ISO to the base kit, if it does not increase the price by too much."
That's not really what he asked, let me rephrase for him with a grain of salt added by me: Why not make a TKL base, as we've noticed that, for the most part, the majority of mechanical keyboard enthusiasts do not use ANYTHING ELSE.
Also forcing split space bar, windowed and OS keys on ISO users. Not only makes it this kit more expensive (imho the main reason ppl don't buy NorDeUk kits),but if you think not many people care for ISO anyway it's basically a dead kit (moq...).
What would i do for some hard numbers on ppl using what layouts, i feel full size, 1800 and wkl are as rare as ISO is. And ISO as he said needs 4-5 keys.
greetz
a salty iso user
If NorDE kits are the main argument against ISO support then it's a pretty poor argument. If ISO-UK is supported in the base set then most eu folks will not get the NorDe kit, it's most of the time half the price of the base set and that's just not worth it in the most cases. (Again this is all my opinion base of how i do feel about this!) Wrong legends are one thing, not being able to fill a board is another.
On the other hand, the main argument against ISO is the poor performance of specialized ISO kits in almost every single GB they are run with. I've keep a spreadsheet(slightly outdated) to track their performance with GMK sets seeing ~5% of base kit purchase numbers in ISO kit purchases, SP sets seeing ~8%, and finally XDA seeing around 11%. It's easy to see that the people that repeatedly ask for these kits to be included in GBs simply aren't supporting the kits when they do get put into the set, resulting in lost time and effort on the part of the designer, the runner, and anyone else involved.
I will make it known that personally I care enough about not alienating the EU crowd to include at least the basic ISO support if not more than that. Even though this is the way I feel about it, it's very easy for me to see how the numbers are actually going and understand why people decide that ISO isn't worth it. At times it does add an additional $5 to the base set, for GMK sets, sometimes even more, and that can be enough to drive away potential sales. Unfortunately, with every GB that happens it's more and more evident how ISO is teetering on the point of not having enough representation in the community to justify the added costs for everyone else.
If NorDE kits are the main argument against ISO support then it's a pretty poor argument. If ISO-UK is supported in the base set then most eu folks will not get the NorDe kit, it's most of the time half the price of the base set and that's just not worth it in the most cases. (Again this is all my opinion base of how i do feel about this!) Wrong legends are one thing, not being able to fill a board is another.
On the other hand, the main argument against ISO is the poor performance of specialized ISO kits in almost every single GB they are run with. I've keep a spreadsheet(slightly outdated) to track their performance with GMK sets seeing ~5% of base kit purchase numbers in ISO kit purchases, SP sets seeing ~8%, and finally XDA seeing around 11%. It's easy to see that the people that repeatedly ask for these kits to be included in GBs simply aren't supporting the kits when they do get put into the set, resulting in lost time and effort on the part of the designer, the runner, and anyone else involved.
I will make it known that personally I care enough about not alienating the EU crowd to include at least the basic ISO support if not more than that. Even though this is the way I feel about it, it's very easy for me to see how the numbers are actually going and understand why people decide that ISO isn't worth it. At times it does add an additional $5 to the base set, for GMK sets, sometimes even more, and that can be enough to drive away potential sales. Unfortunately, with every GB that happens it's more and more evident how ISO is teetering on the point of not having enough representation in the community to justify the added costs for everyone else.
It would be nice to know how many sets (%) with this basic ISO support get sold to europe. This is still a rough estimate because in eu are people who use ANSI as well but it would be closer to the real numbers than the NorDe kits numbers.
Also thank you for your support and not wanting to alienate eu folks. And while this set will easily hit the moq i might remind everyone who screams "frack ISO users" that there were GBs and there are still sets today that need help from everywhere it can get it.
As a side note, i'm a total TKL nerd and don't like 60% that much (even if i got a few) and fullsize is just ****ty for gaming^^ but i'm NOT saying that every other layout should be cut to save cost. We should all get our cakes <3 I'm paying for 30 keys i don't need so could "you" (not you donut).
And if this hobby gets 10 times bigger and something like TKL ANSI only base sets will be a thing (because of a big enough user base) we should all sit together and talk about those color way ownership stuff^^
Edit: Sorry for abusing this thread, while it may apply here too it's more of a general topic that i would like to discuss in-depth but not in this thread :)
Depending on pricing, I will more than likely will be purchasing this set instead of GMK Grey on Black because of the difference in cost, even if its only a few dollars. It really does make a difference, especially when torn between two nice sets like these.
So, only white space bars? Just curious.
So, only white space bars? Just curious.
Yeah, we don't really have plans to add mod colored spacebars. If there is enough interest we may throw them into the extras kit, however.
If NorDE kits are the main argument against ISO support then it's a pretty poor argument. If ISO-UK is supported in the base set then most eu folks will not get the NorDe kit, it's most of the time half the price of the base set and that's just not worth it in the most cases. (Again this is all my opinion base of how i do feel about this!) Wrong legends are one thing, not being able to fill a board is another.
On the other hand, the main argument against ISO is the poor performance of specialized ISO kits in almost every single GB they are run with. I've keep a spreadsheet(slightly outdated) to track their performance with GMK sets seeing ~5% of base kit purchase numbers in ISO kit purchases, SP sets seeing ~8%, and finally XDA seeing around 11%. It's easy to see that the people that repeatedly ask for these kits to be included in GBs simply aren't supporting the kits when they do get put into the set, resulting in lost time and effort on the part of the designer, the runner, and anyone else involved.
I will make it known that personally I care enough about not alienating the EU crowd to include at least the basic ISO support if not more than that. Even though this is the way I feel about it, it's very easy for me to see how the numbers are actually going and understand why people decide that ISO isn't worth it. At times it does add an additional $5 to the base set, for GMK sets, sometimes even more, and that can be enough to drive away potential sales. Unfortunately, with every GB that happens it's more and more evident how ISO is teetering on the point of not having enough representation in the community to justify the added costs for everyone else.
It would be nice to know how many sets (%) with this basic ISO support get sold to europe. This is still a rough estimate because in eu are people who use ANSI as well but it would be closer to the real numbers than the NorDe kits numbers.
Also thank you for your support and not wanting to alienate eu folks. And while this set will easily hit the moq i might remind everyone who screams "frack ISO users" that there were GBs and there are still sets today that need help from everywhere it can get it.
As a side note, i'm a total TKL nerd and don't like 60% that much (even if i got a few) and fullsize is just ****ty for gaming^^ but i'm NOT saying that every other layout should be cut to save cost. We should all get our cakes <3 I'm paying for 30 keys i don't need so could "you" (not you donut).
And if this hobby gets 10 times bigger and something like TKL ANSI only base sets will be a thing (because of a big enough user base) we should all sit together and talk about those color way ownership stuff^^
Edit: Sorry for abusing this thread, while it may apply here too it's more of a general topic that i would like to discuss in-depth but not in this thread :)
Oh I am in this for sure. Any further update regarding the set?At the moment, we are kinda just in a waiting period while finalizing things. Hold tight, it’s gonna happen!
I really hope the novelties go through. Worst case scenario, are you considering on a new set of novelties to go with this set in case Disney does not approve the project?
I think WOB and BOW aren't generally supported for novelites anyway.I really hope the novelties go through. Worst case scenario, are you considering on a new set of novelties to go with this set in case Disney does not approve the project?
It is pretty unlikely that we will be doing novelties for this, sorry. We are just going to omit the novelties and continue on with the rest of the set.
I might be over looking it but I am not seeing a 1.25u Caps lock. Otherwise the set looks fantastic.
ISO UK support no longer in the base kit? I'm out
Suggestions:
- Add R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn to either the core or extra kit (preferably the former).
- Replace Code with System / Sys.
Reasoning for R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn:
Some 65% layouts use it, e.g. the default WhiteFox, Tada68 and Uniqey C70 layouts. It's included in a couple of core kits (GMK/EPBT Slate comes to mind).
Reasoning for System:
What does Code even mean? It's like the people who put together the first GMK set with Code for the winkey thought: “We didn't know what to put here, so we put Code cause some people here are coders lul.”
Super makes a bit more sense, has a historical background, but nowadays isn't really prominent outside of *nix systems.
System makes the most sense, is neutral (just like Monochrome), and best describes what the key is actually used for: system-specific commands.
In the back of my head I think that GMK already have a System mold, but if it turns out they don't, it's time they made one imo.
As to what it means? A shortened abbreviation for KeyCode (https://www.definitions.net/definition/keycode) was my first thought, which makes it make even more sense when used as replacement for other keys that might not be related to system functions.Sure, I'll give you that, but I'd like to say that its primary intended use is to be a winkey replacement. All Code caps are R4, so you're a bit limited as to what other keys you can replace with it (at least on the most commonly used layouts). Since the most common non-standard keys on R4 are usually for layer stuff, I'd say you could use Fn for that purpose equally well, if not better. Other commonly used R4 keys are End and PgDn, and those are both covered (or will be covered) by the set.
Find the "Code" button on the keyboard. This button controls various functions of your typewriter and the more familiar you get with using the code button, the easier it will be to work on your typewriter. For example in the Sharp PA 4000 model, pressing the "Code" button plus the “Q” key sets the calculator or cancels it. Pressing the "Code" button plus the “9” key will make the type bold.
You have to admit that's a very unorthodox layout you have there (though I like it!). But System could have worked equally as well in those spots, and you probably ended up using those keys for LGUI and RGUI anyway :DShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Phpnt9J.jpg)
Notice, both Fn keys are already in use.
Afaik code key was used on electric typewriters, TA used to have it. And seems that was intended as an “fn” key.Yep, looks like you're right — CODE (capitalized) was apparently first featured on GMK Royal Alpha. It does fit in that set because the original typewriter had it (though it was more like an Fn key as you said). I think System makes more sense in a modern context, where Fn (keyboard metacommands that never make it to the computer) and system commands are more distinct.
You have to admit that's a very unorthodox layout you have there (though I like it!). But System could have worked equally as well in those spots, and you probably ended up using those keys for LGUI and RGUI anyway :DShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Phpnt9J.jpg)
Notice, both Fn keys are already in use.
Afaik code key was used on electric typewriters, TA used to have it. And seems that was intended as an “fn” key.Yep, looks like you're right — CODE (capitalized) was apparently first featured on GMK Royal Alpha. It does fit in that set because the original typewriter had it (though it was more like an Fn key as you said). I think System makes more sense in a modern context, where Fn (keyboard metacommands that never make it to the computer) and system commands are more distinct.
Given the facts probably the most accurate use would be system as winkey replacement and CODE instead of fn. So we can have both of themBut CODE only applies to Triumph Adler and Royal Alpha, not in general. But thanks for siding with me on System :D
Given the facts probably the most accurate use would be system as winkey replacement and CODE instead of fn. So we can have both of themBut CODE only applies to Triumph Adler and Royal Alpha, not in general. But thanks for siding with me on System
Will the core kit be enough for the Kira keyboard by Input Club? I can't wait to purchase these.
Awesome update! I'm ready to snap this one up.
Any ideas on when the GB might start?
Awesome update! I'm ready to snap this one up.
Any ideas on when the GB might start?
We don't have an official date yet but we are aiming at the end of Q3 :)
Seems like forever since I've update the OP.Any idea what the compatibility kit will cost? 40$+?
We updated the Core and the compatibility kit, here they are:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qiQxECK.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GW4BB6P.png)
Also, for those that did not see it, the list of vendors is final:
- EU: MyKeyboard.eu
- States: Kono.store
- Asia/rest of the world: zFrontier
Time to put money aside folks, this is happening for sure :)
windowed caps YES
Seems like forever since I've update the OP.Any idea what the compatibility kit will cost? 40$+?
We updated the Core and the compatibility kit, here they are:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qiQxECK.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GW4BB6P.png)
Also, for those that did not see it, the list of vendors is final:
- EU: MyKeyboard.eu
- States: Kono.store
- Asia/rest of the world: zFrontier
Time to put money aside folks, this is happening for sure :)
I am interested. I think this kit would look great on black RAMA M60 :D
Vendors | Base kit (MOQ 150) | Compatibility kit (MOQ 150) | RAMA X/O | RAMA Laser-etched X/O | ||||
MyKeyboard (EU) | 132€ | 37€ | 42€ | 44€ | ||||
KONO (USA) | $140 | $40 | $36 | $38 | ||||
zFrontier (Asia)1 | $1402|$1552 | $40|$45 | $36 | $38 |
Just to make sure- those kits are final, correct? Just making sure as you'd said something about a spacebar kit- not having the space bars in the extras, which includes a lot of other keys.
We trimmed the core kit a little bit to bring the cost down a little more.
We trimmed the core kit a little bit to bring the cost down a little more.
No 1.5u Code keys? and only one 1u ctrl / alt ? It makes this kit incompatible with HHKB layout, RAMA M60, for example.
Million dollars question. When is the drop? My body is readyThey're aiming for end of Q3
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GMK Metaverse is better
No 1.5u Code keys? and only one 1u ctrl / alt ? It makes this kit incompatible with HHKB layout, RAMA M60, for example.
Any estimate on the GB dates, would hate to miss this
Any estimate on the GB dates, would hate to miss this
We are unfortunately still waiting on Kono to confirm they are going ok for the proposed date :-/ hit them up to put pressure haha
Quick updates for you guys!
Mark your calendars, we are excited to announce that GMK Monochrome is launching on **September 1st**!
We wanted to thank you all for the support you've shown and we really hope you will love the end result!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Z7wWNjI.jpg)
Pictures of the Alpha artisan to follow really soon (I'm actually waiting to get them to take some shots haha)
May i ask why the EU price is ~12$ more than US?
Also when comparing the base sets of this and modern dolch with the basic iso compatibility plus 2 extra iso enter i'm really unsure about cutting your base kit here and there without achieving any savings compared to that... what am i missing here?
[...] we're looking at $145 for a base kit at the lowest MOQ right now [...]I found this in one of Janglad's comments. That might be subject to change but, this is in the vendor's hands, not ours, so not much we can do unfortunately :( Cutting those keys did bring the price down a little, we wouldn't have done it otherwise, truste me.
oh stupid me, how could i forget about taxes -_- should stop posting early in the morning ^^
would be nice in the future a V2 with inverted colors or with a modifier kit WS2 (I'm already fantasizing) :pWas thinking about exactly this too but I guess it would be much more appealing to people that participate in this gb so the total amount of potential buyers is more or less this. So it would depend on how this set does would be my guess, if it sells way more than 300 there would be a chance that there is enough demand for a inverted set.
KMK Labs.
Would be in if base set included ISO - there is a reason that all the most successful sets have it included in base. I think the extra price for ISO compatibility will put off the majority of UK and German buyers, which is like half the EU community.
I don't see the 7U spacebar for old Cherry keyboards in the compatibilty set.
Yep, it’s in base. It just happens that WS2 is so white that it blends into the background.I don't see the 7U spacebar for old Cherry keyboards in the compatibilty set.
Because it's in the base set?