Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 February 2016, 13:44:59
I mean if you appreciate the colors but not the SA Profile, we can do this. Due to the custom Colors it will get approx MOQ of 400 sets but i think as Carbon its doable.
For the first time i just want your opinion and interesst. If its high enough i'll make the sketches and we'll do this.
GMK Carbon renders by Zambumon
(http://i.imgur.com/yS0PQln.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/2VPFxBj.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/1d6dxDB.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Lc0FDvb.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/7BMgZku.png)
Base kit
last update 12.05.2016
(http://i.imgur.com/AgKEkg5.jpg)
Novelties
last update 28.04.2016
(http://i.imgur.com/38arlRi.png)
Duscuss :)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 February 2016, 13:45:11
Post by: FLFisherman on Mon, 15 February 2016, 13:45:41
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 February 2016, 13:46:12
GMK is Cherry profile, correct? I may be interested.Yes cherry profile.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 15 February 2016, 13:50:48
Also what layouts/keys would be offered?
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 15 February 2016, 13:50:50
GMK is Cherry profile, correct? I may be interested.How does one amass 978 posts and not know the answer to this? :))
Post by: FLFisherman on Mon, 15 February 2016, 13:51:26
GMK is Cherry profile, correct? I may be interested.How does one amass 978 posts and not know the answer to this? :))
My mind is a sieve. :))
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 15 February 2016, 13:51:29
Let's see some mockups. I've seen Carbon in person, but I can't remember exactly which legends, bases, etc are orange, grey, black, etc. I'm sure others wouldn't mind not having to search around to see what we're expressing interest in. ;)
Also what layouts/keys would be offered?
It's basically Skidata with orange alphas.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 15 February 2016, 13:53:30
Let's see some mockups. I've seen Carbon in person, but I can't remember exactly which legends, bases, etc are orange, grey, black, etc. I'm sure others wouldn't mind not having to search around to see what we're expressing interest in. ;)
Also what layouts/keys would be offered?
It's basically Skidata with orange alphas.
The degree of Skidata-ness is basically what I'm hoping to quantify here. ^-^
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 February 2016, 14:00:55
Let's see some mockups. I've seen Carbon in person, but I can't remember exactly which legends, bases, etc are orange, grey, black, etc. I'm sure others wouldn't mind not having to search around to see what we're expressing interest in. ;)
Also what layouts/keys would be offered?
I plan nothing crazy like i did with Carbon SA. Just standard GMK set (100%) and separate adapters (WKL etc). Just the same like skidata+. However the colors will be Carbon one off-white, darkish and vibrant orange. And ofcourse gray modifiers (like GMK CC Color). Basically the off-white and orange will be custom most probably.
Post by: riotonthebay on Mon, 15 February 2016, 14:01:20
Let's see some mockups. I've seen Carbon in person, but I can't remember exactly which legends, bases, etc are orange, grey, black, etc. I'm sure others wouldn't mind not having to search around to see what we're expressing interest in. ;)
Also what layouts/keys would be offered?
It's basically Skidata with orange alphas.
From the original GB
(http://i.imgur.com/RojSnT6.jpg)
Post by: Jumie on Mon, 15 February 2016, 14:04:41
Post by: Diokhan on Mon, 15 February 2016, 14:10:56
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 February 2016, 14:13:36
Nevermind found it already: Helvetica Rounded bold
Post by: evangs on Mon, 15 February 2016, 14:20:10
Post by: TalkingTree on Mon, 15 February 2016, 14:24:49
Somebody knows the closest Font to Cherry one? I mean i'll find it but if someone knows i would appreciate the info :)According to Deskthority's wiki (https://deskthority.net/wiki/Keyboard_fonts#Cherry_Corp), Helvetica Rounded is the closest one to the Bubbly Sans which is used for the purpose.
Nevermind found it already: Helvetica Rounded bold
Post by: weifanwang on Mon, 15 February 2016, 14:36:32
Post by: Rafa_n on Mon, 15 February 2016, 15:52:35
Post by: Karura on Mon, 15 February 2016, 15:52:56
Post by: ideus on Mon, 15 February 2016, 15:55:02
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 15 February 2016, 15:56:27
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 February 2016, 16:18:22
I'll post 100% tommorow its just late here in Germany and i need to work tommorow.
Post by: ika on Mon, 15 February 2016, 16:21:24
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Mon, 15 February 2016, 16:23:12
:(
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 February 2016, 16:29:54
Added to the GMK Database (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79535.msg2049337#msg2049337).
Thank you! :) But i think its to early. I just need to figure out the demand.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 15 February 2016, 16:50:35
Personally for me, I will never again join a GMK GB with custom colors. It is unfortunate, but such a huge risk after the TA fiasco. I'm sure I will miss out on a great GB one day, but until I see a custom set produced successfully from GMK I won't be joining any.
:(
What exactly do you think custom colors have to do with TA problems? Besides the light leaks I cannot think on anything else.
Post by: aaron6301 on Mon, 15 February 2016, 17:08:28
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 15 February 2016, 17:10:27
Personally for me, I will never again join a GMK GB with custom colors. It is unfortunate, but such a huge risk after the TA fiasco. I'm sure I will miss out on a great GB one day, but until I see a custom set produced successfully from GMK I won't be joining any.
:(
What exactly do you think custom colors have to do with TA problems? Besides the light leaks I cannot think on anything else.
We saw "swirls" in some of the caps from TA. I suspect that those are an artifact of how they achieve their custom colors (I think they are mixing white and blue/teal pellets, rather than using pre-colorized pellets, but I cannot confirm).
Post by: xondat on Mon, 15 February 2016, 17:13:15
Personally for me, I will never again join a GMK GB with custom colors. It is unfortunate, but such a huge risk after the TA fiasco. I'm sure I will miss out on a great GB one day, but until I see a custom set produced successfully from GMK I won't be joining any.
:(
What exactly do you think custom colors have to do with TA problems? Besides the light leaks I cannot think on anything else.
We saw "swirls" in some of the caps from TA. I suspect that those are an artifact of how they achieve their custom colors (I think they are mixing white and blue/teal pellets, rather than using pre-colorized pellets, but I cannot confirm).
I might be alone on this one but I feel like if they don't get it right this time then they never will, it was obvious to me that they didn't do the proper testing last time and they should realize their mistake as a decent business.
I love this color scheme, but SA seems too tall for me. Cherry on the other hand - interested.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 15 February 2016, 17:25:10
Personally for me, I will never again join a GMK GB with custom colors. It is unfortunate, but such a huge risk after the TA fiasco. I'm sure I will miss out on a great GB one day, but until I see a custom set produced successfully from GMK I won't be joining any.
:(
What exactly do you think custom colors have to do with TA problems? Besides the light leaks I cannot think on anything else.
We saw "swirls" in some of the caps from TA. I suspect that those are an artifact of how they achieve their custom colors (I think they are mixing white and blue/teal pellets, rather than using pre-colorized pellets, but I cannot confirm).
I might be alone on this one but I feel like if they don't get it right this time then they never will, it was obvious to me that they didn't do the proper testing last time and they should realize their mistake as a decent business.
I love this color scheme, but SA seems too tall for me. Cherry on the other hand - interested.
If our specifications are not properly communicated to GMK through whatever channel is appropriate, or they are not made aware of customer needs (light-bleed is not a spec that they run to), you can't blame GMK. The swirls are something that I believe should have been discussed or brought up, but they probably have tolerances for these things and if they were within spec then we only have "ourselves" (or the entity that placed the order) to blame.
I'm not following why after making GMK aware of these needs you would still be unwilling to give them your business - if all of these things are plainly laid out and they don't meet our needs, it's no different from sending 104 'F' keys instead of a full set of keycaps (it's on them to fix it).
I work in manufacturing, and there are plenty of times that the customer will ask for something, we tell them that their application is not what the product is designed for, they order it anyway, and they run into issues processing our materials - that's their fault. Granted, this communication needs to occur, but my point is that you can't put everything on the manufacturer; you need to make sure that the manufacturer was running to the proper specs for the application, etc.
Post by: bocahgundul on Mon, 15 February 2016, 17:40:58
Post by: xondat on Mon, 15 February 2016, 17:50:50
Personally for me, I will never again join a GMK GB with custom colors. It is unfortunate, but such a huge risk after the TA fiasco. I'm sure I will miss out on a great GB one day, but until I see a custom set produced successfully from GMK I won't be joining any.
:(
What exactly do you think custom colors have to do with TA problems? Besides the light leaks I cannot think on anything else.
We saw "swirls" in some of the caps from TA. I suspect that those are an artifact of how they achieve their custom colors (I think they are mixing white and blue/teal pellets, rather than using pre-colorized pellets, but I cannot confirm).
I might be alone on this one but I feel like if they don't get it right this time then they never will, it was obvious to me that they didn't do the proper testing last time and they should realize their mistake as a decent business.
I love this color scheme, but SA seems too tall for me. Cherry on the other hand - interested.
If our specifications are not properly communicated to GMK through whatever channel is appropriate, or they are not made aware of customer needs (light-bleed is not a spec that they run to), you can't blame GMK. The swirls are something that I believe should have been discussed or brought up, but they probably have tolerances for these things and if they were within spec then we only have "ourselves" (or the entity that placed the order) to blame.
I'm not following why after making GMK aware of these needs you would still be unwilling to give them your business - if all of these things are plainly laid out and they don't meet our needs, it's no different from sending 104 'F' keys instead of a full set of keycaps (it's on them to fix it).
I work in manufacturing, and there are plenty of times that the customer will ask for something, we tell them that their application is not what the product is designed for, they order it anyway, and they run into issues processing our materials - that's their fault. Granted, this communication needs to occur, but my point is that you can't put everything on the manufacturer; you need to make sure that the manufacturer was running to the proper specs for the application, etc.
I'd love to try a second set of GMK custom colors, turns out I deleted my first sentence by accident. I had GMK TA for a while and they looked a tad blurry but otherwise great, but I feel like the majority of poeple may be off put by the fact that it has to be another custom color buy again. I certainly will hop on this train and hope for the best, but I cannot vouch for others.
Maybe blaming GMK is wrong, but no one else thinks that maybe they cannot do what the customers want all the time, and that there will be mistakes made due to the equipment they are using. I never really though of it from this point of view honestly.
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Mon, 15 February 2016, 18:05:34
Sorry for slightly derailing the topic. I really hope GMK custom colors become doable and reliable.
Post by: sitch on Mon, 15 February 2016, 18:12:51
Post by: FLFisherman on Mon, 15 February 2016, 18:14:04
Any estimation on price range?
I've seen GMK go for about $125-150 per set once they hit MOQ. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Post by: alexjd99 on Mon, 15 February 2016, 18:19:21
Post by: simonyunhe on Mon, 15 February 2016, 18:20:37
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160216/5fe9e9095d37b4796c6d9f2746e99b78.jpg)
I also own the GMK TA set and the problem of this set is the designer himself chose the color chip to reproduce the 'original TA' rather than the TA overtime. But what the community want is the 'faded' TA.
Since T0mb3ry already saw what Carbon SA in real life, I'm confident that he will choose the right color chip for GMK Carbon.
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 15 February 2016, 18:26:21
The novelties were what really made Carbon SA for me, and those novelties won't be possible with GMK. I think it will be difficult to make MOQ on the basis of the colour scheme alone. If there's some way to get novelties in GMK, it would almost certainly be insta-join for me.
Post by: sherryton on Mon, 15 February 2016, 18:38:02
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 15 February 2016, 19:22:04
I know this is different but the mods are dark with orange legends. This is cool though!
Post by: Bromono on Mon, 15 February 2016, 19:58:24
You dont see them that often anymore =(
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Mon, 15 February 2016, 20:00:14
It's not a great shot, but yea
(http://imgur.com/YxRjAcY.jpg)
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 15 February 2016, 20:35:29
I also think with GMK Skidata and Monkey coming up in the next few months we might have had our fill of orange keycaps.
Post by: gadzkun on Mon, 15 February 2016, 20:35:42
Just wondering, is this all that different from Skidata and the Monkey set combined? I'm all for more GMK sets, but just wondering if you have taken a look at those two. The only major difference I can point out is that the Monkey set is quite a bit more pale white than beige.
agreed. skidata combined with monkey its just like carbon for sure, many ppl buy those 2 keyset and combine it. and yeah carbon its more appealing and more cheaper than have to buy 2 keyset. but if many people already buy skidata & monkey its will be difficult for carbon to reach 400 MOQ, i think its better to separate between the alphas and the modifier. so who already bought skidata only need the alphas and who already bought monkey only need the modifier. just IMO!
Cautiously interested in this one -- largely dependent on price and what the final kit is.
The novelties were what really made Carbon SA for me, and those novelties won't be possible with GMK. I think it will be difficult to make MOQ on the basis of the colour scheme alone. If there's some way to get novelties in GMK, it would almost certainly be insta-join for me.
THIS!~~ NOVELTIES FTW!~~ :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 15 February 2016, 21:55:20
Post by: Ail on Mon, 15 February 2016, 22:46:23
Post by: kurtle107 on Mon, 15 February 2016, 23:33:20
Post by: srang on Mon, 15 February 2016, 23:36:57
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 February 2016, 23:58:06
Just wondering, is this all that different from Skidata and the Monkey set combined? I'm all for more GMK sets, but just wondering if you have taken a look at those two. The only major difference I can point out is that the Monkey set is quite a bit more pale white than beige.
agreed. skidata combined with monkey its just like carbon for sure, many ppl buy those 2 keyset and combine it. and yeah carbon its more appealing and more cheaper than have to buy 2 keyset. but if many people already buy skidata & monkey its will be difficult for carbon to reach 400 MOQ, i think its better to separate between the alphas and the modifier. so who already bought skidata only need the alphas and who already bought monkey only need the modifier. just IMO!
Monkey is slightly offwhite almost white. I was on the fence to join but i'll mix up my SKIDATA+ with Gateron ural.
However Carbon's ofwhite is like ivory or bone color and i want exactly this color. It' quite different. If you saw Carbon in Person you know what i am talking about ;)
Cautiously interested in this one -- largely dependent on price and what the final kit is.The novelties were what really made Carbon SA for me, and those novelties won't be possible with GMK. I think it will be difficult to make MOQ on the basis of the colour scheme alone. If there's some way to get novelties in GMK, it would almost certainly be insta-join for me.
THIS!~~ NOVELTIES FTW!~~ :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
AFAIK GMK is offering custom legends or am i wrong? :D
Post by: ideus on Tue, 16 February 2016, 07:22:59
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 16 February 2016, 09:32:28
AFAIK GMK is offering custom legends or am i wrong? :D
I believe it's now technically possible, whereas it was impossible before (at least for double-shot legends). So we have an interest check right now for a pack with geekhack keys. But I think it's much more expensive than getting new legends for SP (for whatever reason).
You can get whatever you want printed onto the key, but a lot of people wouldn't be happy with a significant amount of pad printing for a set they wanted to use. My worry is that the legends will either be pad printed (subpar) or too expensive (double shot and new legends).
Definitely double-check with GMK or with someone who has spoken with them, but I think a set with the number of novelties that Carbon had would be too expensive to be feasible, particularly combined with the high MOQ for custom colours. Again, if you're able to work out a reasonable price for a set with doubleshot novelties, I would be all over this in an instant.
Post by: xondat on Tue, 16 February 2016, 09:49:25
Ivory wins over white any day.
This. As long as you don't have a white keyboard.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 16 February 2016, 15:28:00
Second kit will come this weekend.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 16 February 2016, 15:31:52
AFAIK GMK is offering custom legends or am i wrong? :D
I believe it's now technically possible, whereas it was impossible before (at least for double-shot legends). So we have an interest check right now for a pack with geekhack keys. But I think it's much more expensive than getting new legends for SP (for whatever reason).
You can get whatever you want printed onto the key, but a lot of people wouldn't be happy with a significant amount of pad printing for a set they wanted to use. My worry is that the legends will either be pad printed (subpar) or too expensive (double shot and new legends).
Definitely double-check with GMK or with someone who has spoken with them, but I think a set with the number of novelties that Carbon had would be too expensive to be feasible, particularly combined with the high MOQ for custom colours. Again, if you're able to work out a reasonable price for a set with doubleshot novelties, I would be all over this in an instant.
Yes we will check the pricing and MOQ with gmk. If its ok, i could probably add Warning signs kit but i dont believe this will be the case. But i wish i could do that.
Post by: deduction on Tue, 16 February 2016, 16:40:58
Post by: 64rky on Tue, 16 February 2016, 16:55:33
:thumb:
Post by: ideus on Tue, 16 February 2016, 17:00:46
Ivory wins over white any day.
This. As long as you don't have a white keyboard.
White keyboard? You may be talking about those flat things badly called keyboards by certain Cupertino based company.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 16 February 2016, 17:21:35
Would it be possible to add 4 blank R1 keys for above the numpad? I have a couple of mech with keys up there.
:thumb:
I'll look into it. How about to include those into second kit? It will contain also some Carbon novelties like Graphene Enter and Win key replacements. Thought about to add 12-6-C key but it requires a centered C.
Actually i see R1 1u backspace is missing. I'll add it with next update.
Post by: 64rky on Tue, 16 February 2016, 18:17:57
Would it be possible to add 4 blank R1 keys for above the numpad? I have a couple of mech with keys up there.
:thumb:
I'll look into it. How about to include those into second kit? It will contain also some Carbon novelties like Graphene Enter and Win key replacements. Thought about to add 12-6-C key but it requires a centered C.
Actually i see R1 1u backspace is missing. I'll add it with next update.
I'm happy with that as I'll be getting all the sets ;D
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 17 February 2016, 07:04:04
GMK is Cherry profile, correct? I may be interested.How does one amass 978 posts and not know the answer to this? :))
lol
Post by: Diokhan on Wed, 17 February 2016, 07:11:18
for my truefox/hhkb layout :3
Post by: ideus on Wed, 17 February 2016, 08:17:53
Post by: braidn on Wed, 17 February 2016, 09:06:20
This would be a great set to have if only it gets a fair price, some recent offers with inflated ones did not make sense, economically speaking.
Definitely love the idea and would be tipped for the HHKB support mentioned above.
Post by: Diokhan on Wed, 17 February 2016, 09:26:26
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 17 February 2016, 09:46:38
Post by: venyv on Wed, 17 February 2016, 09:53:11
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 February 2016, 10:31:29
any possibilities for a R2 1.5 backspace? :D
for my truefox/hhkb layout :3
Those keys will be added "probably" to a second kit. Trying to make base kit minimalistic and affordable because of custom colors. The second kit will get some keys for exotic layouts but also some keys to step the game up.
Actually does GMK offer a 6u spacebar? You know for topre boards. I am aware of topre ПБТ spacebars out there but guess they dont match the color. 6u spacebar would be perfect.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 February 2016, 10:39:33
This would be a great set to have if only it gets a fair price, some recent offers with inflated ones did not make sense, economically speaking.
The pricing is my concern not the MOQ. If its on point then the MOQ should be no problem.
Post by: FLFisherman on Wed, 17 February 2016, 10:40:14
This would be a great set to have if only it gets a fair price, some recent offers with inflated ones did not make sense, economically speaking.
The pricing is my concern not the MOQ. If its on point then the MOQ should be no problem.
Do you decide the price, or does GMK?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 February 2016, 10:42:46
This would be a great set to have if only it gets a fair price, some recent offers with inflated ones did not make sense, economically speaking.
The pricing is my concern not the MOQ. If its on point then the MOQ should be no problem.
Do you decide the price, or does GMK?
If i could only :)) Ofcourse its GMKs task. They got bills too.
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 17 February 2016, 11:14:56
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 February 2016, 12:24:12
By the way, i guess legends on led windowed keys from gmk are printed. If so this is a no go. They have to be front printed but there is a led window :-[
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 17 February 2016, 18:22:18
Hyperfuse wasn't 100% accurate on the original SP colours but turned out great
If you're going to pour extra money into anything I'd look into getting custom legends made for some of the modifiers. Obviously you won't be able to afford getting a whole top row of custom legends done like you did with SP but you can get something that will definitely add some flair and get people interested who might otherwise not be.
With a cost of around $2,000 per new legend you could get the following:
@150 MOQ + 1 new legend: (2000/150) = $13.3 extra per set for new legend
@250 MOQ + 1 new legend: (2000/250) = $8.0 extra per set for new legend
@400 MOQ + 1 new legend: (2000/400) = $5.0 extra per set for new legend
I agree with others in that a potential problem with this set is that you can basically make a somewhat resembling version with existing sets.
This might be a good example of a set in which you sell the mods and alphas separately
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 17 February 2016, 18:25:57
I'm still not terribly sure why everyone is going on about custom colours for this set when GMK can do with some accuracy pretty much all of them fine
Hyperfuse wasn't 100% accurate on the original SP colours but turned out great
It's not a question of whether they can match colors to the desired custom color. Hyperfuse was stock GMK colors anyway, so that's a different situation entirely - it was just as close of a match to SP as GMK had.
The discussion is about the quality concerns regarding custom colors on the *only* set with custom colors that we have as our data point.
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 17 February 2016, 18:33:58
I'm still not terribly sure why everyone is going on about custom colours for this set when GMK can do with some accuracy pretty much all of them fine
Hyperfuse wasn't 100% accurate on the original SP colours but turned out great
It's not a question of whether they can match colors to the desired custom color. Hyperfuse was stock GMK colors anyway, so that's a different situation entirely - it was just as close of a match to SP as GMK had.
The discussion is about the quality concerns regarding custom colors on the *only* set with custom colors that we have as our data point.
I'm not sure if I communicated myself clearly - I was stating that the stock GMK colours that they have are probably sufficient for this set. TA was a case in which the whole set was predicated around matching this shade of teal that turned out to never even exist (with Intelli's post production work on his photos)
It seems like a lot of people have a bitter taste in their mouth after TA because the set was so dependent upon on the custom colours being right - I think if someone were to try again with custom colours it might pay off to not have them be the *main event* of the set
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 17 February 2016, 18:38:45
I'm still not terribly sure why everyone is going on about custom colours for this set when GMK can do with some accuracy pretty much all of them fine
Hyperfuse wasn't 100% accurate on the original SP colours but turned out great
It's not a question of whether they can match colors to the desired custom color. Hyperfuse was stock GMK colors anyway, so that's a different situation entirely - it was just as close of a match to SP as GMK had.
The discussion is about the quality concerns regarding custom colors on the *only* set with custom colors that we have as our data point.
I'm not sure if I communicated myself clearly - I was stating that the stock GMK colours that they have are probably sufficient for this set. TA was a case in which the whole set was predicated around matching this shade of teal that turned out to never even exist (with Intelli's post production work on his photos)
It seems like a lot of people have a bitter taste in their mouth after TA because the set was so dependent upon on the custom colours being right - I think if someone were to try again with custom colours it might pay off to not have them be the *main event* of the set
Oh, I see now. :thumb:
I will still say though that for most of us that knew what we were buying, there weren't many complaints about an imperfect match but rather the quality issues with swirls and such.
I think a majority of the complaints came from people that expected the mockup colors to be accurate without realizing that we were matching a specific keyboard. AKA poor marketing. But I can't speak for the thousands of buyers so maybe I'm off on that assessment. ;)
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 17 February 2016, 18:42:33
I'm still not terribly sure why everyone is going on about custom colours for this set when GMK can do with some accuracy pretty much all of them fine
Hyperfuse wasn't 100% accurate on the original SP colours but turned out great
It's not a question of whether they can match colors to the desired custom color. Hyperfuse was stock GMK colors anyway, so that's a different situation entirely - it was just as close of a match to SP as GMK had.
The discussion is about the quality concerns regarding custom colors on the *only* set with custom colors that we have as our data point.
I'm not sure if I communicated myself clearly - I was stating that the stock GMK colours that they have are probably sufficient for this set. TA was a case in which the whole set was predicated around matching this shade of teal that turned out to never even exist (with Intelli's post production work on his photos)
It seems like a lot of people have a bitter taste in their mouth after TA because the set was so dependent upon on the custom colours being right - I think if someone were to try again with custom colours it might pay off to not have them be the *main event* of the set
Oh, I see now. :thumb:
I will still say though that for most of us that knew what we were buying, there weren't many complaints about an imperfect match but rather the quality issues with swirls and such.
I think a majority of the complaints came from people that expected the mockup colors to be accurate without realizing that we were matching a specific keyboard. AKA poor marketing. But I can't speak for the thousands of buyers so maybe I'm off on that assessment. ;)
Yeah maybe it wasn't so much the teal being off but more the swirling in it
I am still honestly not sure if this is something that can be controlled with QC if they have to rely on custom mixing plastic pellets to do custom colours
Post by: ideus on Wed, 17 February 2016, 20:54:01
This would be a great set to have if only it gets a fair price, some recent offers with inflated ones did not make sense, economically speaking.
The pricing is my concern not the MOQ. If its on point then the MOQ should be no problem.
Agree.
Post by: xondat on Thu, 18 February 2016, 08:39:51
With a cost of around $2,000 per new legend you could get the following:
@150 MOQ + 1 new legend: (2000/150) = $13.3 extra per set for new legend
@250 MOQ + 1 new legend: (2000/250) = $8.0 extra per set for new legend
@400 MOQ + 1 new legend: (2000/400) = $5.0 extra per set for new legend
Seeing these figures make it seem useless to get custom legends. Even if we all had one custom legend, would it be worth $5?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 18 February 2016, 08:48:14
I am still honestly not sure if this is something that can be controlled with QC if they have to rely on custom mixing plastic pellets to do custom colours
I'm obviously not familiar with their equipment, but blending custom colors like this is really common and definitely possible. However, if you have an old blending system or are blending by some other unreliable method, you'll have issues. My *guess*, since it's not in every part, is that the swirling we saw was related to a changeover of some sort and not effectively purging the old color out of the system.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Thu, 18 February 2016, 09:21:11
I am still honestly not sure if this is something that can be controlled with QC if they have to rely on custom mixing plastic pellets to do custom colours
I'm obviously not familiar with their equipment, but blending custom colors like this is really common and definitely possible. However, if you have an old blending system or are blending by some other unreliable method, you'll have issues. My *guess*, since it's not in every part, is that the swirling we saw was related to a changeover of some sort and not effectively purging the old color out of the system.
Plastics are so finicky. I really hope GMK gets it all sorted out.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 18 February 2016, 10:58:27
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 18 February 2016, 11:37:17
We send the updated version of base kit to gmk and are waiting for pricing and moq. If pricing is ok i will develop it further else its just nonsens.
So looking forward to this, can't have enough orange in my life :)
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 20 February 2016, 08:38:54
Will you be providing 1800 support, I'd like this on my Lightsaver!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 20 February 2016, 09:06:46
One question, maybe it has been answered... if so, slap me!
Will you be providing 1800 support, I'd like this on my Lightsaver!
I would love to do so. I love 1800 layout. However nothing is set in stone yet. We are still checking the viability of GMK Carbon.
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 20 February 2016, 09:13:31
One question, maybe it has been answered... if so, slap me!
Will you be providing 1800 support, I'd like this on my Lightsaver!
I would love to do so. I love 1800 layout. However nothing is set in stone yet. We are still checking the viability of GMK Carbon.
Cool cool... I'll keep my eyes open :)
Post by: Clementine on Sat, 27 February 2016, 07:56:02
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Post by: Pinecone on Sat, 27 February 2016, 19:33:11
Post by: DukeMugen on Sat, 27 February 2016, 21:27:46
looks like i'll be all over this keyset. thank you op for bringing this up! hope this come to fruition! count me in! :thumb:
Post by: w00zie on Sat, 27 February 2016, 21:31:28
Post by: ideus on Sat, 27 February 2016, 21:53:11
Post by: njbair on Sat, 27 February 2016, 22:01:16
Newbie question: Why the one unit back-slash-pipe key cap is row 2 profile? ISO takes row 3 and / or row 4, and the HHKB style requires row 1, the row 2 profile does not fit any.That definitely looks like a mistake.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 28 February 2016, 04:27:47
Newbie question: Why the one unit back-slash-pipe key cap is row 2 profile? ISO takes row 3 and / or row 4, and the HHKB style requires row 1, the row 2 profile does not fit any.That definitely looks like a mistake.
It is one. I'll fix it in the next update.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 28 February 2016, 07:47:42
Newbie question: Why the one unit back-slash-pipe key cap is row 2 profile? ISO takes row 3 and / or row 4, and the HHKB style requires row 1, the row 2 profile does not fit any.That definitely looks like a mistake.
It is one. I'll fix it in the next update.
Awesome!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 28 February 2016, 11:12:15
Currently i am waiting for more information. If i receive this info, i'll know how far i can go with the design. I'll then update the base kit and will probably add some child deals. But now the base kit will contain only the necessary keys.
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 28 February 2016, 12:55:18
Base kit has been updated (fixed).
Currently i am waiting for more information. If i receive this info, i'll know how far i can go with the design. I'll then update the base kit and will probably add some child deals. But now the base kit will contain only the necessary keys.
don't see 1800 support :(
Post by: radio_killah on Sun, 28 February 2016, 13:30:45
But looking at the mock up now. It really just looks like a combination of GMK Monkey and Skidata+.
Post by: radio_killah on Sun, 28 February 2016, 13:31:40
Personally I would rather just see the orange accents in the base set be the regular mod color of orange on black.
But looking at the mock up now. It really just looks like a combination of GMK Monkey and Skidata+.
Also adding that I think the base kit you have is perfect. The right amount of compatibility.
Post by: Cony_WANG on Tue, 01 March 2016, 09:59:30
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 01 March 2016, 12:23:52
iI am interested in this set. And how about adding 1X wins?
don't see 1800 support :(Its not a final version. I'll update it as soon i get the info i need :)
Post by: need on Fri, 11 March 2016, 14:27:35
This is great, any info yet?iI am interested in this set. And how about adding 1X wins?don't see 1800 support :(Its not a final version. I'll update it as soon i get the info i need :)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 11 March 2016, 14:44:34
This is great, any info yet?iI am interested in this set. And how about adding 1X wins?don't see 1800 support :(Its not a final version. I'll update it as soon i get the info i need :)
Nope, not yet... I am still waiting :(
Post by: trenzafeeds on Fri, 11 March 2016, 16:33:14
I'm not saying everyone should not support custom colors, I am just weary after the TA set. And yes I meant the color swirls. I agree with everything that has been said in response to my post, however no matter how great I think a set looks I'm not going to run the risk.
Sorry for slightly derailing the topic. I really hope GMK custom colors become doable and reliable.
Wasn't valentine a custom color? I don't want to argue, I just had the same plan (not buying custom colors until they produced one well), and I thought they fulfilled those criteria with valentine.
Post by: joey on Fri, 11 March 2016, 16:41:34
It turned out it wasn't a custom colour in the end.I'm not saying everyone should not support custom colors, I am just weary after the TA set. And yes I meant the color swirls. I agree with everything that has been said in response to my post, however no matter how great I think a set looks I'm not going to run the risk.
Sorry for slightly derailing the topic. I really hope GMK custom colors become doable and reliable.
Wasn't valentine a custom color? I don't want to argue, I just had the same plan (not buying custom colors until they produced one well), and I thought they fulfilled those criteria with valentine.
Post by: Suruten on Sat, 12 March 2016, 06:57:21
Carbon is my endgame keyset. just need to make sure it supports the HHKB layout since
im planning to get novatouch sliders for my HHKB.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sat, 12 March 2016, 10:04:47
If you mean the gmk valentine from this year, that was definitely the same color as the magenta in cmy kits, as well as the color packs for gmk cyan.I'm not saying everyone should not support custom colors, I am just weary after the TA set. And yes I meant the color swirls. I agree with everything that has been said in response to my post, however no matter how great I think a set looks I'm not going to run the risk.
Sorry for slightly derailing the topic. I really hope GMK custom colors become doable and reliable.
Wasn't valentine a custom color? I don't want to argue, I just had the same plan (not buying custom colors until they produced one well), and I thought they fulfilled those criteria with valentine.
Post by: VereChi on Mon, 14 March 2016, 00:58:41
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 14 March 2016, 01:02:07
Post by: misconceit on Mon, 14 March 2016, 02:55:35
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 14 March 2016, 11:14:53
is the plan to run this as soon as possible?
I don't think this is going to run ASAP. I am still checking the sweet spot between variaty of supported layouts and pricing. And yes the response from GMK takes some time.
Post by: rioc on Mon, 14 March 2016, 14:03:49
How about GMK Carbon?
most definitely! =)
cherry profile Carbon would be swell. Warning Signs and Novelty Kits would make it perfect, but I don't know if GMK does such stuff?
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 15 March 2016, 20:29:20
How about GMK Carbon?
most definitely! =)
cherry profile Carbon would be swell. Warning Signs and Novelty Kits would make it perfect, but I don't know if GMK does such stuff?
They could but it would cost a ridiculous amount of money
Post by: rioc on Wed, 16 March 2016, 01:55:03
They could but it would cost a ridiculous amount of money
I imagined as much... haven't seen any GMK novelties in that style before...
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 16 March 2016, 05:19:19
They could but it would cost a ridiculous amount of money
I imagined as much... haven't seen any GMK novelties in that style before...
Gmk monkey has a good example of a new legend
I'm not too sure what their guidelines are regarding minimum thicknesses etc
Post by: rioc on Wed, 16 March 2016, 05:23:49
Gmk monkey has a good example of a new legend
I'm not too sure what their guidelines are regarding minimum thicknesses etc
ok, neat... hmm... wonder how much it'd cost more... I quite like the hexagons on the SA sets novelty kit...
Post by: skuko on Tue, 22 March 2016, 10:24:31
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Post by: kurtle107 on Thu, 24 March 2016, 11:40:02
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Post by: dadoduk on Fri, 25 March 2016, 07:15:01
hurry up!!
Post by: qazeqaz on Mon, 28 March 2016, 13:39:21
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Post by: Incredigasmic on Fri, 01 April 2016, 20:51:15
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 02 April 2016, 01:35:38
Hot damn. I love my Carbon set, but this would be some next level ****. I'd be all in if you could swing an orange spacebar with the set xD
Well, why not offer the spacebars separate :)
By the way, i got no updates right now for you guys. I'll get some probably next month. Ofcourse i'll share it with you.
Post by: Incredigasmic on Sat, 02 April 2016, 01:37:51
I'm in, regardless, but I need me an orange GMK Spacebar of the Carbon flavor :DHot damn. I love my Carbon set, but this would be some next level ****. I'd be all in if you could swing an orange spacebar with the set xD
Well, why not offer the spacebars separate :)
By the way, i got no updates right now for you guys. I'll get some probably next month. Ofcourse i'll share it with you.
Post by: Vadurr on Sat, 02 April 2016, 04:49:04
Post by: kurtle107 on Sat, 02 April 2016, 10:13:33
yep orange space bar also look goodI'm in, regardless, but I need me an orange GMK Spacebar of the Carbon flavor :DHot damn. I love my Carbon set, but this would be some next level ****. I'd be all in if you could swing an orange spacebar with the set xD
Well, why not offer the spacebars separate :)
By the way, i got no updates right now for you guys. I'll get some probably next month. Ofcourse i'll share it with you.
Post by: dthai17 on Sun, 03 April 2016, 13:16:17
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Post by: ideus on Sun, 03 April 2016, 21:10:55
Post by: timerwin63 on Mon, 04 April 2016, 11:41:59
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 04 April 2016, 12:30:29
Are you planning to get this through MD? or would it be independent?
I think it will most probably run through MD. The MOQ will be quite hard because of custom colors you know. It has to get a lot of participants as possible...
Post by: ideus on Mon, 04 April 2016, 12:36:01
Are you planning to get this through MD? or would it be independent?
I think it will most probably run through MD. The MOQ will be quite hard because of custom colors you know. It has to get a lot of participants as possible...
I hope it attracts enough interest there; however, the evidence of some of the last GMK offerings did not. I think that venue attracts younger keyboard aficionados that prefer current group-thinking trends, like colorful designs, novelties and PBT, that most GMK sets lack. Anyways, good luck.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 04 April 2016, 13:53:47
Are you planning to get this through MD? or would it be independent?
I think it will most probably run through MD. The MOQ will be quite hard because of custom colors you know. It has to get a lot of participants as possible...
I hope it attracts enough interest there; however, the evidence of some of the last GMK offerings did not. I think that venue attracts younger keyboard aficionados that prefer current group-thinking trends, like colorful designs, novelties and PBT, that most GMK sets lack. Anyways, good luck.
Its a subjective thing, but i agree nowadays you have to deliver colors or something special in order to make GB succesfull. I mean for 120 bucks you have to offer something. With respect, but quality is not enough.
The problem here is not people but GMK with their high MOQ requirements, which limits me to offer a keyset for both worlds (classy and crazy). I probably know your delicate taste for classic colors/style and you are not alone. I hope i get enough "ground/room" to add some keys for orange keys replacement.
MD is aware of GMK Carbon but i dont know if they want to make a drop for it. See the last GMK drop....
But i am still waiting for a "greenlight" from MD.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 04 April 2016, 15:09:21
Are you planning to get this through MD? or would it be independent?
I think it will most probably run through MD. The MOQ will be quite hard because of custom colors you know. It has to get a lot of participants as possible...
I hope it attracts enough interest there; however, the evidence of some of the last GMK offerings did not. I think that venue attracts younger keyboard aficionados that prefer current group-thinking trends, like colorful designs, novelties and PBT, that most GMK sets lack. Anyways, good luck.
Its a subjective thing, but i agree nowadays you have to deliver colors or something special in order to make GB succesfull. I mean for 120 bucks you have to offer something. With respect, but quality is not enough.
The problem here is not people but GMK with their high MOQ requirements, which limits me to offer a keyset for both worlds (classy and crazy). I probably know your delicate taste for classic colors/style and you are not alone. I hope i get enough "ground/room" to add some keys for orange keys replacement.
MD is aware of GMK Carbon but i dont know if they want to make a drop for it. See the last GMK drop....
But i am still waiting for a "greenlight" from MD.
Your design is gorgeous, I hope it reaches MoQ and it becomes a reality. Good luck!
Post by: need on Mon, 04 April 2016, 15:12:36
It's carbon, I'm sure people will jump on it without even a second thought.Are you planning to get this through MD? or would it be independent?
I think it will most probably run through MD. The MOQ will be quite hard because of custom colors you know. It has to get a lot of participants as possible...
I hope it attracts enough interest there; however, the evidence of some of the last GMK offerings did not. I think that venue attracts younger keyboard aficionados that prefer current group-thinking trends, like colorful designs, novelties and PBT, that most GMK sets lack. Anyways, good luck.
Its a subjective thing, but i agree nowadays you have to deliver colors or something special in order to make GB succesfull. I mean for 120 bucks you have to offer something. With respect, but quality is not enough.
The problem here is not people but GMK with their high MOQ requirements, which limits me to offer a keyset for both worlds (classy and crazy). I probably know your delicate taste for classic colors/style and you are not alone. I hope i get enough "ground/room" to add some keys for orange keys replacement.
MD is aware of GMK Carbon but i dont know if they want to make a drop for it. See the last GMK drop....
But i am still waiting for a "greenlight" from MD.
Post by: kurtle107 on Thu, 07 April 2016, 02:59:46
Post by: Jedi on Thu, 07 April 2016, 13:57:50
The problem for Massdrop is that their system isn't designed at all for handling buyer tracking and it makes it confusing for everyone as to how they count buys. GMK is an all or nothing kind of problem. Massdrop will break up the kit into smaller kits to "deflate" the list price but then that throws off how many "kits" they've actually "sold". Since Massdrop isn't going to be willing to buy all 400 kits and then sell them as "redropped" buys, this is nearly dead in the water.
The only way I see this working out for GMK and Carbon (tm) is if it is run as a group buy or sold to a store that will sell the kits through a storefront. The only other way to run it through Massdrop is for you to choose to break up the kit, increase the price, and sell at a MOQ of 150 for each kit.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 07 April 2016, 14:28:13
There's just no easy answer on this one. You're going to have the people that say "I'd be all in if ..." and then fill in the blank. The colorway is by far awesome, but then its also custom. GMK hasn't had the best reputation for manufacturing custom colors and there will be those that speak up about light bleed. 400 is a tough MOQ that Massdrop will have a difficult time pulling off (shipping and declared value will hurt the international buyers) and there's always Skidata+ and JTK Orange.
The problem for Massdrop is that their system isn't designed at all for handling buyer tracking and it makes it confusing for everyone as to how they count buys. GMK is an all or nothing kind of problem. Massdrop will break up the kit into smaller kits to "deflate" the list price but then that throws off how many "kits" they've actually "sold". Since Massdrop isn't going to be willing to buy all 400 kits and then sell them as "redropped" buys, this is nearly dead in the water.
The only way I see this working out for GMK and Carbon (tm) is if it is run as a group buy or sold to a store that will sell the kits through a storefront. The only other way to run it through Massdrop is for you to choose to break up the kit, increase the price, and sell at a MOQ of 150 for each kit.
Breaking the kit into multiple kits is the wrong approach. Its better the drop fails as a whole.
This drop will be only one kit which either will contain everything (expensive) or only needed stuff (low cost). Which approach i choose depends the approximate final pricing and moq (which i still dont have :().
As i said previously, if you want to sell gmk keyset then deliver something special. The german high quality is not enough for this price tag. I think the last succesful GMK drop was TA. Am i wrong? From my POV Carbon is worth to be special. Without any ignorance i asume it might be succesfull, despite me being most of the time pesimistic.
Anyway about light bleeding. Who could think TA would light bleed? I think this was the first gmk set with custom colors. Now we know about it. And ofcourse if it goes into GB this very important property will be bold and underlined for gmk. I think its clear you have to define the properties you want before ordering. Everything you didn't mentioned as property is a side effect (light bleed) or feature.
Please do not compare SKIDATA+ (in which i also participated because damn i love skidata) to Carbon. These two are very very very period different keysets in my opinion.
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 07 April 2016, 14:37:55
GMK sets need to balance cost with universality -- I think it's worse for hitting MOQ to exclude people who need certain keys than it is to exclude those unwilling to pay $6 more for the set.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 07 April 2016, 14:53:24
I'm not sure whether the kit in the OP is what you're going ahead with, but two R5 1U blanks or Windows keys will be necessary for many people, and an R4 1u Fn would be very very nice to have. With those 3 additional keys, I'd say you should run just a single kit. Additional kits won't hit MOQ anyways.
GMK sets need to balance cost with universality -- I think it's worse for hitting MOQ to exclude people who need certain keys than it is to exclude those unwilling to pay $6 more for the set.
Ok i share something with you.
I send two Versions of single kits. Those are displayed below:
minimalistic only need stuff
(http://i.imgur.com/MVd1cHK.png)
the extended version
(http://i.imgur.com/1no5xG6.jpg)
Now keep in mind those are not final versions! These are made only for getting the pricing for a specific amount of keys. I need to get the feel how it affects the pricing.
After i get it i'll decide the kit for the drop and of course i'll post it here and we will descuss it up and down until the kit suits the majority.
The biggest problem right now is that i dont get the info i need for moq and pricing to work on Carbon further. I requested it many times already and i still got nothing so far...
Just out of curiosity i send also this to check the pricing and moq. Dont even dream about it! I am just checking the pricing and i dont think this is going to drop...
(http://i.imgur.com/qZv5tLr.jpg)
Post by: Jedi on Thu, 07 April 2016, 15:16:53
I understand that the kit should be sold as one package, 100% agree with you on that. The issue as you noted is the MOQ for the kit and that GMK Carbons needs to be offered as something special.
Light bleed was once concern, another was color swirl. If run through Massdrop, you likely will not receive a sample to QC before the production is run. These are just objections that come up by people commenting in the discussion tab of a drop and many times those discussions kill a drop even when the person responsible for the drop is there to defend them.
The idea of breaking up the set is a bad idea. The only reason Massdrop does it is to fan the critics that come out when the drop runs. A set like this should be $140-$160. But as that price goes, is that too much for the buyer? Some say yes, others say no.
EDIT: After seeing your beautiful images (damn your're amazing), $199 for the set.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 07 April 2016, 15:30:21
Absolutely Carbon is 100% different from any of the other kits and this one is indeed special. 100% agree with you on that. What I meant was that I wanted to be sure Carbon GMK edition had as many sales as possible to achieve MOQ.
I understand that the kit should be sold as one package, 100% agree with you on that. The issue as you noted is the MOQ for the kit and that GMK Carbons needs to be offered as something special.
Light bleed was once concern, another was color swirl. If run through Massdrop, you likely will not receive a sample to QC before the production is run. These are just objections that come up by people commenting in the discussion tab of a drop and many times those discussions kill a drop even when the person responsible for the drop is there to defend them.
The idea of breaking up the set is a bad idea. The only reason Massdrop does it is to fan the critics that come out when the drop runs. A set like this should be $140-$160. But as that price goes, is that too much for the buyer? Some say yes, others say no.
EDIT: After seeing your beautiful images (damn your're amazing), $199 for the set.
Honestly i hope we can go with the extended kit for like 140 bucks. I mean 140$ for extended kit is a dream for me. In my opinion it should be extended because of custom colors. You cant buy separated keys which could match these colors. This is why i think the kit should contain all possible layouts. Its all in or nothing.
For the novelties i may consider those as separate drop if the price tag does not exceeds 60$. I mean i personaly would pay that to get these novelties in cherry profile... However i dont think this is going to be the case. You can say i send it to get the lulz from price tag.
Post by: bbrotha on Thu, 07 April 2016, 15:44:43
I was looking at the extended kit and it would be great if you can add Win or Code keys in 1u config (2 keys) also a "|\" key 1u r1 in white and a grey FN 1u key. this are missing in order to fill a HHKB layout style.
Hoping for those novelties as well :)
Post by: Jedi on Thu, 07 April 2016, 17:30:19
I don't see why (again, if it is even possible for GMK) that both the extended and novelties can't be had for $200 square (plus 9.99 shipping and handling LOLz).
Post by: yinzer on Thu, 07 April 2016, 18:01:07
You've said yourself that you think SA Carbon looks great on the Ergodox.
Post by: mimalik on Thu, 07 April 2016, 19:20:08
Post by: diqkiq on Fri, 08 April 2016, 09:08:39
Post by: loud_asian on Fri, 08 April 2016, 15:38:49
Is it possible to get large font legends and centered on the key? I've never seen it for cherry profile but perhaps GMK can do it.
No, its gonna require new tooling to make the legends centered. That's a big investment for the 100+ different keys out there
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 08 April 2016, 16:31:06
Is it possible to get large font legends and centered on the key? I've never seen it for cherry profile but perhaps GMK can do it.
At MOQ of 500 units and with a price tag of 500$ per set probably :)) But in such case if i could find 500 fools (including me), which are ready to throw 500 bucks at a keyset, then i'll do most probably double shot - double legend latin/cyrillic instead of centered ;)
Post by: diqkiq on Fri, 08 April 2016, 19:11:13
Post by: AgentZen on Sun, 10 April 2016, 07:01:32
Post by: LunarisDream on Sun, 10 April 2016, 11:41:04
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 10 April 2016, 12:18:01
You can hit MOQ w/ a batch order from China. People are already talking about it and SA Carbon is also highly sought-after here.
Interessting. If i understand it correctly someone makes a single batch order on MD. Basically to save the shipping costs.
By the way the estimated pricing for Base kit (not the extended version) is similar to Triumph Adler at 150 moq. Still waiting for the pricing and moq for extended version. If i got it i'll post my decision here and we'll work out the final version for GMK Carbon.
Post by: need on Sun, 10 April 2016, 13:52:22
Totally psyched about this, not very fond of SA profile...You can hit MOQ w/ a batch order from China. People are already talking about it and SA Carbon is also highly sought-after here.
Interessting. If i understand it correctly someone makes a single batch order on MD. Basically to save the shipping costs.
By the way the estimated pricing for Base kit (not the extended version) is similar to Triumph Adler at 150 moq. Still waiting for the pricing and moq for extended version. If i got it i'll post my decision here and we'll work out the final version for GMK Carbon.
I can also imagine carbon being highly sought offer, especially in China.
Post by: Jedi on Sun, 10 April 2016, 14:38:24
Post by: need on Sun, 10 April 2016, 15:10:40
Please please push for the add ons, who cares if they don't reach MOQ, we just drop those and still have the extended version. You would have one of the most amazing sets GMK has ever produced :eek:Great GMK sets have been a rarity somehow...
+1 please please push for the add ons
Post by: _joe_king on Wed, 13 April 2016, 16:09:06
Post by: ideus on Wed, 13 April 2016, 17:12:46
Please please push for the add ons, who cares if they don't reach MOQ, we just drop those and still have the extended version. You would have one of the most amazing sets GMK has ever produced :eek:
It has been stated that the set will run on MD? Sorry if this has been clarified, already.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 13 April 2016, 23:59:17
Please please push for the add ons, who cares if they don't reach MOQ, we just drop those and still have the extended version. You would have one of the most amazing sets GMK has ever produced :eek:
It has been stated that the set will run on MD? Sorry if this has been clarified, already.
Nope. I am currently in negotiations with MD. However after so many GMK drop fails i personaly got doubts they'd like to make a drop for it. If they don't i have to look for another way to make this real.
Post by: rioc on Thu, 14 April 2016, 02:15:34
Please please push for the add ons, who cares if they don't reach MOQ, we just drop those and still have the extended version. You would have one of the most amazing sets GMK has ever produced :eek:
It has been stated that the set will run on MD? Sorry if this has been clarified, already.
Nope. I am currently in negotiations with MD. However after so many GMK drop fails i personaly got doubts they'd like to make a drop for it. If they don't i have to look for another way to make this real.
The other ones weren't as sought after as Carbon is...
but no matter how it happens, I'm in :)
Post by: ideus on Thu, 14 April 2016, 07:15:00
Please please push for the add ons, who cares if they don't reach MOQ, we just drop those and still have the extended version. You would have one of the most amazing sets GMK has ever produced :eek:
It has been stated that the set will run on MD? Sorry if this has been clarified, already.
Nope. I am currently in negotiations with MD. However after so many GMK drop fails i personaly got doubts they'd like to make a drop for it. If they don't i have to look for another way to make this real.
MD members appear to like PBT and colored sets under $100 better than GMK, maybe it would not be the best venue for Carbon anyway. In the other hand its colors are very attractive, who knows, maybe Carbon brakes MD trends on key caps preferences.
Post by: Jedi on Thu, 14 April 2016, 08:45:54
We just need to run the same post across the pond at RMK to drive up the awareness this one is coming. It also really makes a difference when the group buy "drop" leader announces the new keyset with a preview announcement on Massdrop.
Post by: hoanglh94 on Thu, 14 April 2016, 10:10:35
Post by: ideus on Thu, 14 April 2016, 11:39:53
The problem with PBT is that we are limited on the color choices with SP but SP should have the molds, the thing T0mb3ry was working towards is to have this run as a GMK set. Massdrop's keyboard community is finicky mostly for colorway and price. This set will give MD participants the colorway so that won't be the issue for Massdrop. The heavy question is the price that GMK wants for what T0mb3ry wants for keys which is what he is working on with GMK right now. If Yanbo and Alex P agree with what the price comes back for him, we could very well make this one popular set.
We just need to run the same post across the pond at RMK to drive up the awareness this one is coming. It also really makes a difference when the group buy "drop" leader announces the new keyset with a preview announcement on Massdrop.
Personally, I do not like PBT; but, on my space bar only; however, people that have not tried an OG Cherry or a GMK set have a very hard time understanding why an ABS set should costs over $100 USD, when it does not have novelties nor cute colors. I just hope, as you said, that Carbon helps to entice more people to get into GMK goodness, at least if it does not get way too overpriced.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 14 April 2016, 12:06:18
The problem with PBT is that we are limited on the color choices with SP but SP should have the molds, the thing T0mb3ry was working towards is to have this run as a GMK set. Massdrop's keyboard community is finicky mostly for colorway and price. This set will give MD participants the colorway so that won't be the issue for Massdrop. The heavy question is the price that GMK wants for what T0mb3ry wants for keys which is what he is working on with GMK right now. If Yanbo and Alex P agree with what the price comes back for him, we could very well make this one popular set.
We just need to run the same post across the pond at RMK to drive up the awareness this one is coming. It also really makes a difference when the group buy "drop" leader announces the new keyset with a preview announcement on Massdrop.
Personally, I do not like PBT; but, on my space bar only; however, people that have not tried an OG Cherry or a GMK set have a very hard time understanding why an ABS set should costs over $100 USD, when it does not have novelties nor cute colors. I just hope, as you said, that Carbon helps to entice more people to get into GMK goodness, at least if it does not get way too overpriced.
I am a huge SA Profile fan. I got some boards with cherry profile and still i prefer SA profile (espeically on topre) over cherry...
Despite that i went fullhouse into karuras SKIDATA+. It was very succesfull. You know why? Because colors and theme (legendary skidata board). As i said previously quality is not enough. You have to make right colorcombination and on top of that it has to be special. SKIDATA+ is both - it is just epic! Still waiting for my SKIDATA+ :(
However as i said if you prefer Carbon colors but not SA Profile, GMK Carbon is the keyset you need :)
Personally, I love this colourway. Moreover, it's gonna be a GMK set. I guess the colours would be CR, N9, U9, V1?
Nope. All 3 Carbon colors are going to be custom colors.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 14 April 2016, 12:41:16
The problem with PBT is that we are limited on the color choices with SP but SP should have the molds, the thing T0mb3ry was working towards is to have this run as a GMK set. Massdrop's keyboard community is finicky mostly for colorway and price. This set will give MD participants the colorway so that won't be the issue for Massdrop. The heavy question is the price that GMK wants for what T0mb3ry wants for keys which is what he is working on with GMK right now. If Yanbo and Alex P agree with what the price comes back for him, we could very well make this one popular set.
We just need to run the same post across the pond at RMK to drive up the awareness this one is coming. It also really makes a difference when the group buy "drop" leader announces the new keyset with a preview announcement on Massdrop.
Personally, I do not like PBT; but, on my space bar only; however, people that have not tried an OG Cherry or a GMK set have a very hard time understanding why an ABS set should costs over $100 USD, when it does not have novelties nor cute colors. I just hope, as you said, that Carbon helps to entice more people to get into GMK goodness, at least if it does not get way too overpriced.
I am a huge SA Profile fan. I got some boards with cherry profile and still i prefer SA profile (espeically on topre) over cherry...
Despite that i went fullhouse into karuras SKIDATA+. It was very succesfull. You know why? Because colors and theme (legendary skidata board). As i said previously quality is not enough. You have to make right colorcombination and on top of that it has to be special. SKIDATA+ is both - it is just epic! Still waiting for my SKIDATA+ :(
However as i said if you prefer Carbon colors but not SA Profile, GMK Carbon is the keyset you need :)Personally, I love this colourway. Moreover, it's gonna be a GMK set. I guess the colours would be CR, N9, U9, V1?
Nope. All 3 Carbon colors are going to be custom colors.
I like Carbon colors a lot, but I do not like SA, so this may be the one for me, unless my wallet cry loud enough for my wife to notice it, :p
Post by: ryptide11 on Thu, 14 April 2016, 13:50:06
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 14 April 2016, 16:05:02
(http://i.imgur.com/yS0PQln.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/2VPFxBj.png)
Post by: KetchyKech on Thu, 14 April 2016, 16:32:00
It looks really good!! Starting not to miss those novelties as much :p
Post by: evangs on Thu, 14 April 2016, 17:41:08
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Post by: xiaodian317 on Fri, 15 April 2016, 04:07:11
With my GMK Monkey kit.
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Post by: zaarx on Sat, 16 April 2016, 09:30:33
Post by: ideus on Sat, 16 April 2016, 09:34:24
I'd rather pick up another Carbon set in SA-profile honestly. All the addons and all orange caps is what makes Carbon my favourite set atm and this has none of that. I do understand why GMK enthusiasts would want a Carbon set though.
Do you mean that the people that like the Cherry profile do not like nice color combinations? I really do not understand.
Post by: luckyryan333 on Sat, 16 April 2016, 11:32:14
I'd rather pick up another Carbon set in SA-profile honestly. All the addons and all orange caps is what makes Carbon my favourite set atm and this has none of that. I do understand why GMK enthusiasts would want a Carbon set though.
Why not Cherry profile? The kits of this set has not been done completely yet AFAIK.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 16 April 2016, 17:13:18
(http://i.imgur.com/1d6dxDB.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Lc0FDvb.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/7BMgZku.png)
Post by: renzpwns on Sat, 16 April 2016, 17:36:32
Post by: evangs on Sat, 16 April 2016, 17:41:29
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 16 April 2016, 18:04:39
Just one question - when????
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If everybody votes enough then might be soon :)
You can vote here: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Carbon
Post by: _joe_king on Sat, 16 April 2016, 18:51:48
Post by: evangs on Sat, 16 April 2016, 18:53:14
Voted!!Just one question - when????
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If everybody votes enough then might be soon :)
You can vote here: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Carbon
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 16 April 2016, 18:57:23
I am confused. What are the different sets on massdrop?
Hmmm? What do you mean exactly? I just submited the renders as options. Each option is just to show how its going too look like and it has nothing to do with the kits. If you want to vote, then just vote for any option you like.
Post by: Jedi on Sun, 17 April 2016, 15:22:40
Hmmm? What do you mean exactly? I just submitted the renders as options. Each option is just to show how its going too look like and it has nothing to do with the kits. If you want to vote, then just vote for any option you like.
Yeah I thought you were just kidding around with the extra IC GMK Carbon vote buttons. MD sets that up so that if you as the thread starter wanted people to vote for which option is their favorite, then that is how people would vote.
Another way to set the vote option is for the community to start a poll on which item they would like to see most on massdrop and then community members can add different items to the poll.
I'm going to add the custom stripe you suggested just to see what happens :p
Post by: shower_king on Sun, 17 April 2016, 20:23:59
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 17 April 2016, 20:52:58
Just one question - when? ???
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You can vote here: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Carbon (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/GMK-Carbon)
DONE 8) .
Nice to see this Colour-way applied onto the Cherry Profile.
Remember to keep it conservative because it shall be another "Classic" key-set, released into the input world.....
Post by: Jedi on Sun, 17 April 2016, 21:07:18
Post by: ipreferpie on Sun, 17 April 2016, 23:15:46
Post by: rioc on Mon, 18 April 2016, 01:55:50
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7BMgZku.png)
dat ISO Enter... :F
Post by: duylinh_89 on Mon, 18 April 2016, 03:27:49
What a wonderful keycap set !
Post by: need on Mon, 18 April 2016, 05:34:00
Post by: luckyryan333 on Mon, 18 April 2016, 07:38:56
Post by: salasource on Mon, 18 April 2016, 09:01:18
Yeah, but he probably means ISO international kit which has never happened with GMK sets and probably never will if they don't change their default MOQ. While SP SA sets has much more realistic MOQ values for these kind of kits.I'd rather pick up another Carbon set in SA-profile honestly. All the addons and all orange caps is what makes Carbon my favourite set atm and this has none of that. I do understand why GMK enthusiasts would want a Carbon set though.
Why not Cherry profile? The kits of this set has not been done completely yet AFAIK.
Post by: luckyryan333 on Mon, 18 April 2016, 09:40:48
Yeah, but he probably means ISO international kit which has never happened with GMK sets and probably never will if they don't change their default MOQ. While SP SA sets has much more realistic MOQ values for these kind of kits.I'd rather pick up another Carbon set in SA-profile honestly. All the addons and all orange caps is what makes Carbon my favourite set atm and this has none of that. I do understand why GMK enthusiasts would want a Carbon set though.
Why not Cherry profile? The kits of this set has not been done completely yet AFAIK.
I do understand why he suggested SP SA owing to your explanation. I feel empathy for ISO users' opinions. However, that's too bad SP SA can't satisfy my taste. :(
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 18 April 2016, 10:46:23
Yeah, but he probably means ISO international kit which has never happened with GMK sets and probably never will if they don't change their default MOQ. While SP SA sets has much more realistic MOQ values for these kind of kits.I'd rather pick up another Carbon set in SA-profile honestly. All the addons and all orange caps is what makes Carbon my favourite set atm and this has none of that. I do understand why GMK enthusiasts would want a Carbon set though.
Why not Cherry profile? The kits of this set has not been done completely yet AFAIK.
This.
MOQ kills every kind of child deals.
I just accidentally saw this picture on FB and immediately reg an account in this forum to vote for this set. :PThank you! Welcome to GH!
What a wonderful keycap set !
I get some kind of feeling, somebody is watching us from far east :)
Post by: rioc on Tue, 19 April 2016, 01:17:27
Yeah, but he probably means ISO international kit which has never happened with GMK sets and probably never will if they don't change their default MOQ. While SP SA sets has much more realistic MOQ values for these kind of kits.I'd rather pick up another Carbon set in SA-profile honestly. All the addons and all orange caps is what makes Carbon my favourite set atm and this has none of that. I do understand why GMK enthusiasts would want a Carbon set though.
Why not Cherry profile? The kits of this set has not been done completely yet AFAIK.
GMK Triumph Adler set came fully extended with ISO, Tsangan, etc. etc.... and it was actually not too expensive either...
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 19 April 2016, 04:26:48
Yeah, but he probably means ISO international kit which has never happened with GMK sets and probably never will if they don't change their default MOQ. While SP SA sets has much more realistic MOQ values for these kind of kits.I'd rather pick up another Carbon set in SA-profile honestly. All the addons and all orange caps is what makes Carbon my favourite set atm and this has none of that. I do understand why GMK enthusiasts would want a Carbon set though.
Why not Cherry profile? The kits of this set has not been done completely yet AFAIK.
GMK Triumph Adler set came fully extended with ISO, Tsangan, etc. etc.... and it was actually not too expensive either...
What do you mean by "fully extended ISO"?
For reference, this was Triumph Adler's Base kit.
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-5860_20150324130522_0da311feb6a423f6.png?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=1023&dpr=2)
Post by: VereChi on Tue, 19 April 2016, 04:30:51
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Post by: kingnestea on Tue, 19 April 2016, 08:36:07
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 19 April 2016, 14:58:20
(http://i.imgur.com/1no5xG6.jpg)
I will work now on the final version. So lets discuss it. Do you miss something or is something wrong. But please keep it realistic!
Ah and Carbon is gonna drop approx in 3 months.
So you got plenty of time to rob a bank...
Still checking moq and pricing for novelties kit...
Post by: Rafa_n on Tue, 19 April 2016, 15:13:17
Post by: riotonthebay on Tue, 19 April 2016, 15:21:49
1x 1u R4 Fn key (very nice to have for HHKB layout)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 19 April 2016, 15:26:34
2x 1u windows keys would be nice :)
2x 1u R5 Windows keys (absolutely necessary or the kit is useless for a large group of people)Will add:
1x 1u R4 Fn key (very nice to have for HHKB layout)
2x 1u R5 Windows keys
1x 1u R4 Fn key (very nice to have for HHKB layout)
Rafa_n hope you agree.
By the way you can see the print, lock and pause keys are orange. I think its not that good for 1800 layout, but what do you think?
Post by: evangs on Tue, 19 April 2016, 15:29:08
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 19 April 2016, 15:30:55
Would it be possible to add R3 1.25, 1.5 and R2 1.75 these keys would help with some of the 40% boards out there (JD45 and Minivan)
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Post by: Rafa_n on Tue, 19 April 2016, 15:31:58
2x 1u windows keys would be nice :)2x 1u R5 Windows keys (absolutely necessary or the kit is useless for a large group of people)Will add:
1x 1u R4 Fn key (very nice to have for HHKB layout)
2x 1u R5 Windows keys
1x 1u R4 Fn key (very nice to have for HHKB layout)
Rafa_n hope you agree.
By the way you can see the print, lock and pause keys are orange. I think its not that good for 1800 layout, but what do you think?
that's great, thanks!!
i'll start setting up my bank robbery now.
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 19 April 2016, 15:35:17
Post by: evangs on Tue, 19 April 2016, 15:35:58
Would it be possible to add R3 1.25, 1.5 and R2 1.75 these keys would help with some of the 40% boards out there (JD45 and Minivan)
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R3 1.25 could be tab or fn
R3 1.5 could be enter or fn
R2 1.75 is backspace
with the above keys, legends wouldn't be 100% but I would at least have the right profile on each key
Post by: evangs on Tue, 19 April 2016, 15:37:05
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 19 April 2016, 15:43:40
Will there also be an option for a blank set? That would look REALLY friggin' cool.
Hey i wish GMKs moq were not that high, so i could make almost every wish possible. However this is not the case and we have to make a single base kit which includes say necessary keys but forward-looking. With forward looking i mean you are not gonna always use the same layout and maybe you want to put this keyset on a 1800 layout. So the forward-looking is meant: it covers all the usual cherry layouts (with extend for hhkb or other layouts which needs just few keys). An absolute blank keyset is a child deal and with an moq of 150 it would probably not tip.
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 19 April 2016, 17:22:33
Will there also be an option for a blank set? That would look REALLY friggin' cool.
Hey i wish GMKs moq were not that high, so i could make almost every wish possible. However this is not the case and we have to make a single base kit which includes say necessary keys but forward-looking. With forward looking i mean you are not gonna always use the same layout and maybe you want to put this keyset on a 1800 layout. So the forward-looking is meant: it covers all the usual cherry layouts (with extend for hhkb or other layouts which needs just few keys). An absolute blank keyset is a child deal and with an moq of 150 it would probably not tip.
Yeah I get that. I really think blanks are way sexier. But I get what you are saying :)
Post by: Gengarfan on Tue, 19 April 2016, 18:17:04
Post by: duylinh_89 on Tue, 19 April 2016, 19:11:27
Ok i saw the approx pricings and its gonna be the extended base kit version.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1no5xG6.jpg)
I will work now on the final version. So lets discuss it. Do you miss something or is something wrong. But please keep it realistic!
Ah and Carbon is gonna drop approx in 3 months.
So you got plenty of time to rob a bank...
Still checking moq and pricing for novelties kit...
Thanks T0mb3ry, I can't wait for this drop to be realistic - love at the first sight ;D
Post by: Radlife on Tue, 19 April 2016, 19:31:21
Post by: ipreferpie on Tue, 19 April 2016, 20:23:48
R5 1u winkeys
R4 1u Fn key
R2 1.75u Backspace
R1 1u \| pipe key
And any chance GMK can do novelty keys like in the SA release? I think part of it's success if having those included
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 19 April 2016, 22:47:41
And any chance GMK can do novelty keys like in the SA release? I think part of it's success if having those included
GMK has almost never done custom molds. The price for such a mold would almost certainly be several thousand dollars per legend, incredibly cost-prohibitive.
Post by: TalkingTree on Wed, 20 April 2016, 04:09:19
They can pad-print though.And any chance GMK can do novelty keys like in the SA release? I think part of it's success if having those included
GMK has almost never done custom molds. The price for such a mold would almost certainly be several thousand dollars per legend, incredibly cost-prohibitive.
Post by: ipreferpie on Wed, 20 April 2016, 04:19:08
They can pad-print though.And any chance GMK can do novelty keys like in the SA release? I think part of it's success if having those included
GMK has almost never done custom molds. The price for such a mold would almost certainly be several thousand dollars per legend, incredibly cost-prohibitive.
I'll pay for those :)
Post by: audax989 on Wed, 20 April 2016, 04:30:11
Post by: _joe_king on Wed, 20 April 2016, 08:47:45
Post by: xiaodian317 on Wed, 20 April 2016, 09:18:53
And any chance GMK can do novelty keys like in the SA release? I think part of it's success if having those included
GMK has almost never done custom molds. The price for such a mold would almost certainly be several thousand dollars per legend, incredibly cost-prohibitive.
However, I will do some custom keycaps that be made by GMK. :)
Post by: rioc on Wed, 20 April 2016, 10:07:03
Is the backslash key going to be the egg shell/cream color or the color in your most recent post?
the 1.25U one will be egg shell and dark gray according to the extended basekit preview... the 1U only dark gray
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 20 April 2016, 10:33:03
Is the backslash key going to be the egg shell/cream color or the color in your most recent post?
Nice catch. The row 3 1u backslash (iso us) has wrong color. Its has to be bone white/cream. Sorry i was kind of in hurry as i made it for price check.
the 1.25U one will be egg shell and dark gray according to the extended basekit preview... the 1U only dark gray
As i said this is not the final version. This version was just made for initial price checks.
They can pad-print though.And any chance GMK can do novelty keys like in the SA release? I think part of it's success if having those included
GMK has almost never done custom molds. The price for such a mold would almost certainly be several thousand dollars per legend, incredibly cost-prohibitive.
Nope doubleshot. Also i never said that novelties are going to drop. I've just asked gmk for moq and pricing. If moq and pricing are fine then novelties will probably drop. But i dont believe this will be the case.
Honestly i kind of regret to reveal that novelty kit. People dont even read that i wrote. They see novelties and think thats gonna be real. Nope read that i wrote. Sure that novelty kit could be that cherry on the top of icecream but you know its gmk. So who cares (i mean i care and would love to make it happen)? Atleast we can have the icecream!
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/AGGz7y0rCYxdS/200.gif)
Post by: Gengarfan on Wed, 20 April 2016, 13:16:27
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 20 April 2016, 13:25:40
There are other IC currently out that are with SP and JTK for requests outside of the "base set" with other group buys out there. (For other buys outside of this interest check)
Continue being the best designer GMK has ever met and let us know how it comes along for whether or not a stripe kit will be possible. :thumb:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 20 April 2016, 13:31:06
Any way to get R4 0ins key for ZZ96 users?Pardon i did not replied before. Yes there will be also 0/ins in row 4 for layouts like zz96.
We know that the extra number stripe kit is totally not a reality at this point as this is still in a IC status. The good news is that we have made it to a extended kit that GMK has acknowledged and is currently willing to provide at a set price for you.
There are other IC currently out that are with SP and JTK for requests outside of the "base set" with other group buys out there. (For other buys outside of this interest check)
Continue being the best designer GMK has ever met and let us know how it comes along for whether or not a stripe kit will be possible. :thumb:
Its not that i am against that novelty stripe kit its just the bussines of gmk. I wish we could get that stripe kit for a reasonable price. I mean from gmk so many novelties its almost like artisan level :))
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 20 April 2016, 15:39:59
Added r5 1u win keys (2x).
Added r4 1u fn key. (there is control and delete for hhkb dont know why people are always asking...)
Added r4 1u 0/del key (zz96 layout).
Corrected iso alpha colors.
(http://i.imgur.com/7AaEGMf.jpg)
By the way i mentioned it before but i think i was not clear enough. Carbon has an unusual colorway (see the f row it is inverted). As i mentioned before print, scroll and pause key may look weird (orange color) on 1800 kind of layouts. So for the better explanations see the 1800 mockup below.
(http://i.imgur.com/Yzlwq4C.jpg)
I think we should discuss it. I can change the colorway to default/traditional. As alternative i can add additional print/scroll/pause keys in the proper color (grey). On the other hand current colorway might look better on layout like zz96.
Post by: bbrotha on Wed, 20 April 2016, 16:10:18
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 20 April 2016, 16:20:30
Any chance a R1 "|\" key in white can be added? to complete the hhkb layout look :)
Why do i forget always that key? I'll add it.
Edit: i added that specific key in my project. However it will come with the next update. So the current picture (base kit) is missing that key.
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 20 April 2016, 17:17:37
And any chance GMK can do novelty keys like in the SA release? I think part of it's success if having those included
GMK has almost never done custom molds. The price for such a mold would almost certainly be several thousand dollars per legend, incredibly cost-prohibitive.
However, I will do some custom keycaps that be made by GMK. :)
Hence my use of "almost" :)
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 20 April 2016, 18:05:37
I think we should discuss it. I can change the colorway to default/traditional. As alternative i can add additional print/scroll/pause keys in the proper color (grey). On the other hand current colorway might look better on layout like zz96.Lets not add keys that the majority will not need. Why not discuss a orange "stripe" for the numbed top row and a orange '+' key? This would solve the "split-up" for 1800 users and you would just change the up and down arrows to match with an orange color. :)
For that matter, with this being a once in a lifetime design by the Carbon master artist, why not add charcoal alphas with orange lettering and orange modifiers with charcoal alphas as an add-on pack? That would totally make me buy both! :p
Post by: _joe_king on Thu, 21 April 2016, 11:45:55
Is the backslash key going to be the egg shell/cream color or the color in your most recent post?
Nice catch. The row 3 1u backslash (iso us) has wrong color. Its has to be bone white/cream. Sorry i was kind of in hurry as i made it for price check.the 1.25U one will be egg shell and dark gray according to the extended basekit preview... the 1U only dark gray
As i said this is not the final version. This version was just made for initial price checks.They can pad-print though.And any chance GMK can do novelty keys like in the SA release? I think part of it's success if having those included
GMK has almost never done custom molds. The price for such a mold would almost certainly be several thousand dollars per legend, incredibly cost-prohibitive.
Nope doubleshot. Also i never said that novelties are going to drop. I've just asked gmk for moq and pricing. If moq and pricing are fine then novelties will probably drop. But i dont believe this will be the case.
Honestly i kind of regret to reveal that novelty kit. People dont even read that i wrote. They see novelties and think thats gonna be real. Nope read that i wrote. Sure that novelty kit could be that cherry on the top of icecream but you know its gmk. So who cares (i mean i care and would love to make it happen)? Atleast we can have the icecream!
Dang I really liked the darker one. Either way, fantastic work and thank you for getting this going. Super excited for this one!!
Post by: ScottieLK on Thu, 21 April 2016, 13:03:43
I've been kicking myself for not getting Carbon (also my first post weeeeee!)
Any chance there's going to be a 6.5u spacebar?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 21 April 2016, 13:27:18
Very Interested!
I've been kicking myself for not getting Carbon (also my first post weeeeee!)
Any chance there's going to be a 6.5u spacebar?
GMK offers only 7u and 6.25u spacebar. But its not only gmk. Such sizes like 6u and 6.5u are exotic. AFAIK only gateron makes 6u spacebars. I guess you got corsair right?
Post by: ScottieLK on Thu, 21 April 2016, 13:32:48
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 23 April 2016, 00:59:11
And was there a predicted price for this set yet (is that the 500$ I saw up the thread a ways)?The final version of extended Bese kit will probably cost 140$. It might cost less or even more, because its just my personal prediction. There will be only extended Base kit and not cheaper versions of it.
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Post by: Sornoah on Sat, 23 April 2016, 06:52:46
Post by: Jedi on Sat, 23 April 2016, 07:22:11
will this keyset fit my filco minila? no matter how many kits I have to buy, pls make a 3u space bar for my kb. I missed the SA Carbon drop and have been looking for a while but so hopeless >"<
Carbon may run again, but it will be some time before that happens again. This set will most likely only have a 6.25U spacebar. GMK doesn't have molds to support a 3u spacebar.
Post by: LunarisDream on Sat, 23 April 2016, 08:15:55
Can't wait, go go go, in在国内打广告吧
Post by: Tmeee on Sat, 23 April 2016, 09:21:16
You must be joking.Can't wait, go go go, in在国内打广告吧
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 23 April 2016, 12:10:54
在国内打广告吧Я предпологаю, вы парни захотели что бы я все следующие обновления на Карбон исключительно только на русском языке делал.
Oder ich könnte auch die nächsten Updates ausschließlich nur in deutscher Sprache verfassen.
You got the choice ;D
By the way, here is 75% mockup.
(http://i.imgur.com/9gegxUV.jpg)
Actually i see here the conflict with row 5. As you know the 1.5u ctrl/alt keys are in row 5 and 1.25 ctrl/win/alt are row 4. This kind of problem will hit every keyboard which does allow the mix of 1.25 and 1.5 keys. Thats not good. I am leaning towards changing row 5 to row 4.
Edit: Base kit has been updated. (accordingly first page too)
Added beige |\ 1u key (required for hhkb)
Added row 4 1.5 control and alt keys (required nonwinkeyles for zz98, 1800, 75%)
(http://i.imgur.com/8WdKzxh.jpg)
Post by: 25251325 on Sun, 24 April 2016, 02:41:38
Post by: Jedi on Sun, 24 April 2016, 08:26:09
By the way, here is 75% mockup.
Added row 4 1.5 control and alt keys (required nonwinkeyles for zz98, 1800, 75%)
We <3 you.
Post by: ScottieLK on Mon, 25 April 2016, 01:42:59
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 25 April 2016, 02:15:41
Will this space bar fit Ducky boards?
Yep Ducky boards use the standard 6.25 length spacebar that is included in all GMK sets
Post by: Tmeee on Tue, 26 April 2016, 06:18:23
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 26 April 2016, 10:40:10
I know it is a custom keyset.but some colors can match the current standard colors，right？Hope you or GMK could point them out if possible.
Custom colors do not cause that much increase in pricing. I dont think gmk has already these colors in their palette, so the colors will be custom.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 26 April 2016, 13:03:46
The Colorway has been changed to classic one.
Added row4 1u keys Win and Ctrl (optional layouts like zz96 or duck octagon)
Added row4 additional 1.25u Alt and 1.5u Alt (non AltGr).
Added row5 additional Alt (non AltGr).
(http://i.imgur.com/MacbKzn.jpg)
Its almost final...
Post by: nickysan92 on Tue, 26 April 2016, 13:06:55
New update.
The Colorway has been changed to classic one.
Added row4 1u keys Win and Ctrl (optional layouts like zz96 or duck octagon)
Added row4 additional 1.25u Alt and 1.5u Alt (non AltGr).
Added row5 additional Alt (non AltGr).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MacbKzn.jpg)
Its almost final...
So much hype for this!!!
Post by: rioc on Wed, 27 April 2016, 01:55:37
New update.
The Colorway has been changed to classic one.
Added row4 1u keys Win and Ctrl (optional layouts like zz96 or duck octagon)
Added row4 additional 1.25u Alt and 1.5u Alt (non AltGr).
Added row5 additional Alt (non AltGr).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MacbKzn.jpg)
Its almost final...
oh boy... seeing the new update, I think this would look rad on a filco minila. Any chance for a 1U Shift?
EDIT: allthough it'd need 2x (one could make-shift the rest)... IDK, probably too much to ask for, Minila has a too extravagant layout I guess. Just was a thought I had...
Post by: RinSama269 on Wed, 27 April 2016, 02:23:54
New update.
The Colorway has been changed to classic one.
Added row4 1u keys Win and Ctrl (optional layouts like zz96 or duck octagon)
Added row4 additional 1.25u Alt and 1.5u Alt (non AltGr).
Added row5 additional Alt (non AltGr).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MacbKzn.jpg)
Its almost final...
R2 backspace for HHKB?
Post by: Tmeee on Wed, 27 April 2016, 08:06:11
Indeed I am not worrying about the price.I am thinking about that if some colors in the keyset are just old ones we are familiar with or they could be found in the existing standard colors,I can probably imagine what this keyset will look like.I am not sure if I make it clear.......I know it is a custom keyset.but some colors can match the current standard colors，right？Hope you or GMK could point them out if possible.
Custom colors do not cause that much increase in pricing. I dont think gmk has already these colors in their palette, so the colors will be custom.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 27 April 2016, 08:20:13
Post by: bbrotha on Wed, 27 April 2016, 09:01:26
New update.
The Colorway has been changed to classic one.
Added row4 1u keys Win and Ctrl (optional layouts like zz96 or duck octagon)
Added row4 additional 1.25u Alt and 1.5u Alt (non AltGr).
Added row5 additional Alt (non AltGr).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MacbKzn.jpg)
Its almost final...
R2 backspace for HHKB?
It is there as the Delete key.
Post by: Tmeee on Wed, 27 April 2016, 09:19:14
New update.So we cant see orange arrows in this set?Is there any possibility to add a color pack consisting of orange arrows,enter and F-row?
The Colorway has been changed to classic one.
Added row4 1u keys Win and Ctrl (optional layouts like zz96 or duck octagon)
Added row4 additional 1.25u Alt and 1.5u Alt (non AltGr).
Added row5 additional Alt (non AltGr).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MacbKzn.jpg)
Its almost final...
Post by: Tmeee on Wed, 27 April 2016, 09:26:11
Post by: zhihuichan on Wed, 27 April 2016, 09:36:37
New update.
The Colorway has been changed to classic one.
Added row4 1u keys Win and Ctrl (optional layouts like zz96 or duck octagon)
Added row4 additional 1.25u Alt and 1.5u Alt (non AltGr).
Added row5 additional Alt (non AltGr).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MacbKzn.jpg)
Its almost final...
No R5 2x 0 and enter on numpad ???
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 27 April 2016, 11:03:31
It appears that the renders do not match the final layout anymore, for example, the arrows are in orange, while the finals are dark gray.Yeah TKL render is out of date but not 60%. I'll ask Zambumon for new renders for us.
No R5 2x 0 and enter on numpad ???
I'll look into it, but i do not promise.
So we cant see orange arrows in this set?Is there any possibility to add a color pack consisting of orange arrows,enter and F-row?
There will be no color pack. As i said no child deals, just a single base kit. In case of Novelties, if they are going to drop, then only as a separate drop.
R2 backspace for HHKB?Don't know but you are not the first person who can't see that delete key.
Indeed I am not worrying about the price.I am thinking about that if some colors in the keyset are just old ones we are familiar with or they could be found in the existing standard colors,I can probably imagine what this keyset will look like.I am not sure if I make it clear.......I really dont understand that you are trying to say. But i am trying to get my hands on gmk color chips, just for the case they got some matching colors already. However it does not change the fact that this keyset will get its original colors.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 27 April 2016, 17:04:44
(http://i.imgur.com/pEueGKd.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/bi5wYvn.png)
Post by: ideus on Wed, 27 April 2016, 17:58:03
Post by: MMjacksN on Wed, 27 April 2016, 17:59:21
Post by: s3vv4 on Wed, 27 April 2016, 18:14:28
Post by: shower_king on Wed, 27 April 2016, 19:41:23
Post by: VereChi on Wed, 27 April 2016, 20:57:34
New update.
The Colorway has been changed to classic one.
Added row4 1u keys Win and Ctrl (optional layouts like zz96 or duck octagon)
Added row4 additional 1.25u Alt and 1.5u Alt (non AltGr).
Added row5 additional Alt (non AltGr).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MacbKzn.jpg)
Its almost final...
In my opinion,the old colorway is much better.
Post by: Tmeee on Wed, 27 April 2016, 22:25:17
Great minds think alike.New update.
The Colorway has been changed to classic one.
Added row4 1u keys Win and Ctrl (optional layouts like zz96 or duck octagon)
Added row4 additional 1.25u Alt and 1.5u Alt (non AltGr).
Added row5 additional Alt (non AltGr).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MacbKzn.jpg)
Its almost final...
In my opinion,the old colorway is much better.
Post by: nickysan92 on Wed, 27 April 2016, 22:30:04
Updated renders from Zambumon :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pEueGKd.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bi5wYvn.png)
Sorry if this is a stupid question but will you be retaining the Windows logo as per this render? Because the mock-up showed the Win key as just "Win" legends.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 27 April 2016, 23:57:18
I'm not sure whether or not it has been suggested already, but how about an R3 FN key to replace Caps Lock?Can't get the idea for that? Can you show an example?
Sorry if this is a stupid question but will you be retaining the Windows logo as per this render? Because the mock-up showed the Win key as just "Win" legends.Not sure yet, we should discuss it probably. I am not that neatpicky about that.
In my opinion,the old colorway is much better.It was designed for TKL layout. See my previous mockups for other alyouts like 75% or 1800. The colorway breaks. It was always on my mind to change the colorway to classic one. Less orange is more. But if people want that hard i can add atleast f1-4 and f9-12 in orange and maybe arrows. But we are speaking here of pricing above 140$.
do we need MOQ at 500 or less due to custom color?Nope, we'll need 150 units.
Post by: kivx on Thu, 28 April 2016, 01:50:34
New update.
The Colorway has been changed to classic one.
Added row4 1u keys Win and Ctrl (optional layouts like zz96 or duck octagon)
Added row4 additional 1.25u Alt and 1.5u Alt (non AltGr).
Added row5 additional Alt (non AltGr).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MacbKzn.jpg)
Its almost final...
In my opinion,the old colorway is much better.
I prefer the old one as well.
Please~~~
Post by: nickysan92 on Thu, 28 April 2016, 05:00:53
Sorry if this is a stupid question but will you be retaining the Windows logo as per this render? Because the mock-up showed the Win key as just "Win" legends.Not sure yet, we should discuss it probably. I am not that neatpicky about that.
I'd personally prefer having the Windows logo there, but the mileage of others may vary.
Regarding the colorway, I think the current setup is okay but I can understand where people are coming from with the "yet another orange over black" color combination. Personally, I'd be fine with either because I think both accentuate the set quite well!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 28 April 2016, 12:36:27
The thing is, i have to make some decisions, which will hurt either the conservatives (classic colorway) or the liberals (Carbon original colorway). Now i dont want to do that. Because i feel the hype and i want everybody to get his Carbon as he wishes, ofcourse in realistic way. In short i was aiming at price of 140$ for a set and it is quite hard task. You know the limitations.
So my suggestion is, what about if we rise the bar to 150$. With 150 bucks we got room for both colorways. Ofcourse there will be people who will say: yeah but i need it only for my 60% board. In this case i just want to counter: Think in a long term! Its better to have spare keys and knowing your keyset can match every layout. It may come you'll find a better board but with different layout and you will have the keys for it. Its a good thing. Also it will raise the variety of colorways. For example you can have f-row completely gray.
Now my question is, is Carbon (with that variety) worth 150$?
Got new render from user VereChi. The modifiers are black but give this guy some props ;) (doing renders is work)
(http://i.imgur.com/FLbGS4y.jpg)
Update: i'll get probably next month gmk color chips ;)
Post by: nugglets on Thu, 28 April 2016, 12:50:51
While I do prefer some more orange (orange alphas + warning signs was so awesome), I still really like the current Base Kit offering.
That said, if I'm paying $140 for a keyset I absolutely don't mind paying $150 for one with even more options. I'm not going to let $10 stand in the way of everyone getting what they want.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 28 April 2016, 13:15:46
Got Novelties render from gmk. Colors are wrong, so we dont need to speak about colors right now!
Its going to be double shot not printed! Its not final as Carbon periodic key is missing
(http://i.imgur.com/38arlRi.png)
You can expect these pricing and moq. Again its not set in stone!
150 ..... 70$
250 ..... 53$
500 ..... 40$
Novelties will be a standalone drop!
Hype! :p
Post by: user 18 on Thu, 28 April 2016, 13:35:16
Now i got some news actually. But stay calm first and take it all with "grain of salt".
Got Novelties render from gmk. Colors are wrong, so we dont need to speak about colors right now!
Its going to be double shot not printed! Its not final as Carbon periodic key is missingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/38arlRi.png)
You can expect these pricing and moq. Again its not set in stone!
150 ..... 70$
250 ..... 53$
500 ..... 40$
Novelties will be a standalone drop!
Hype! :p
All the hype! I need this in my life.
Post by: nugglets on Thu, 28 April 2016, 13:40:06
Now i got some news actually. But stay calm first and take it all with "grain of salt".
Got Novelties render from gmk. Colors are wrong, so we dont need to speak about colors right now!
Its going to be double shot not printed! Its not final as Carbon periodic key is missingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/38arlRi.png)
You can expect these pricing and moq. Again its not set in stone!
150 ..... 70$
250 ..... 53$
500 ..... 40$
Novelties will be a standalone drop!
Hype! :p
I swear I just said something about how awesome warning signs was... but "reverse warning signs" is something I never thought of and now can't live without. Holy crap.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 28 April 2016, 14:02:54
Post by: ideus on Thu, 28 April 2016, 14:03:33
Post by: Jedi on Thu, 28 April 2016, 14:05:24
And you have GOT TO do the MOQ 150@$75 for the novelties. This needs NO further discussion.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 28 April 2016, 14:16:23
Ok i get it.
The thing is, i have to make some decisions, which will hurt either the conservatives (classic colorway) or the liberals (Carbon original colorway). Now i dont want to do that. Because i feel the hype and i want everybody to get his Carbon as he wishes, ofcourse in realistic way. In short i was aiming at price of 140$ for a set and it is quite hard task. You know the limitations.
So my suggestion is, what about if we rise the bar to 150$. With 150 bucks we got room for both colorways. Ofcourse there will be people who will say: yeah but i need it only for my 60% board. In this case i just want to counter: Think in a long term! Its better to have spare keys and knowing your keyset can match every layout. It may come you'll find a better board but with different layout and you will have the keys for it. Its a good thing. Also it will raise the variety of colorways. For example you can have f-row completely gray.
Now my question is, is Carbon (with that variety) worth 150$?
Got new render from user VereChi. The modifiers are black but give this guy some props ;) (doing renders is work)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FLbGS4y.jpg)
Update: i'll get probably next month gmk color chips ;)
GH users interested in GMK sets may be incline for the most expensive option with everything included; but, based on recent failed drops and almost failed ones, you should better ask in places like r/mk, that I think accounts for most of the demand at massdrop, it is generally accepted that r/mk users tend to be younger, if so, they might have less money available than DT and GH users do, also they are less conservative and tend to prefer brilliant colors and other profiles over GMK, stuff like PBT cheap sets, even if they say yes to the expensive set option, the set may not reach MoQ, and for sure, it well get a lot of criticism because of its high price tag.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 28 April 2016, 14:35:41
GH users interested in GMK sets may be incline for the most expensive option with everything included; but, based on recent failed drops and almost failed ones, you should better ask in places like r/mk, that I think accounts for most of the demand at massdrop, it is generally accepted that r/mk users tend to be younger, if so, they might have less money available than DT and GH users do, also they are less conservative and tend to prefer brilliant colors and other profiles over GMK, stuff like PBT cheap sets, even if they say yes to the expensive set option, the set may not reach MoQ, and for sure, it well get a lot of criticism because of its high price tag.
I got over 2.6k votes for redrop on Carbon in SA profile. I am prety sure we will gather 150 participants if not more. 99% this is going to be reality. I am leaving 1% for saying **** happens.
Carbon SA sold ~700 base kits. Thats a lot. And honestly it is still a hard to get keyset, because almost nobody wants to sell it. That i am trying to tell, Carbon is to attractive (for majority) to fail. Again i dont want to sound ingnorant but its proven for succes.
The only thing i am asking is feedback. It has to be a pleasure for everyone.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 28 April 2016, 15:04:51
GH users interested in GMK sets may be incline for the most expensive option with everything included; but, based on recent failed drops and almost failed ones, you should better ask in places like r/mk, that I think accounts for most of the demand at massdrop, it is generally accepted that r/mk users tend to be younger, if so, they might have less money available than DT and GH users do, also they are less conservative and tend to prefer brilliant colors and other profiles over GMK, stuff like PBT cheap sets, even if they say yes to the expensive set option, the set may not reach MoQ, and for sure, it well get a lot of criticism because of its high price tag.
I got over 2.6k votes for redrop on Carbon in SA profile. I am prety sure we will gather 150 participants if not more. 99% this is going to be reality. I am leaving 1% for saying **** happens.
Carbon SA sold ~700 base kits. Thats a lot. And honestly it is still a hard to get keyset, because almost nobody wants to sell it. That i am trying to tell, Carbon is to attractive (for majority) to fail. Again i dont want to sound ingnorant but its proven for succes.
The only thing i am asking is feedback. It has to be a pleasure for everyone.
Great! forget it then, everything appears to point to a big success.
In my case MD is out of my reach as for some reason they decided to drop to ship to where I am now, I will try to find a proxy, or even a relative that may receive the set and keep it until I travel to ConUS, in any case, congratulations.
Post by: Jedi on Thu, 28 April 2016, 16:49:43
Post by: 27 on Thu, 28 April 2016, 17:57:38
Post by: gadzkun on Thu, 28 April 2016, 20:48:42
Now i got some news actually. But stay calm first and take it all with "grain of salt".
Got Novelties render from gmk. Colors are wrong, so we dont need to speak about colors right now!
Its going to be double shot not printed! Its not final as Carbon periodic key is missingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/38arlRi.png)
You can expect these pricing and moq. Again its not set in stone!
150 ..... 70$
250 ..... 53$
500 ..... 40$
Novelties will be a standalone drop!
Hype! :p
im definitely in for novelties! :p
Post by: rioc on Fri, 29 April 2016, 01:58:30
Now i got some news actually. But stay calm first and take it all with "grain of salt".
Got Novelties render from gmk. Colors are wrong, so we dont need to speak about colors right now!
Its going to be double shot not printed! Its not final as Carbon periodic key is missingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/38arlRi.png)
You can expect these pricing and moq. Again its not set in stone!
150 ..... 70$
250 ..... 53$
500 ..... 40$
Novelties will be a standalone drop!
Hype! :p
Hype indeed!
Look gorgeous :)
Any Chance for an ISO Novelty enter?
Post by: FoC_Tow on Fri, 29 April 2016, 05:31:18
To me Carbon is a lot about having the warning symbol keys, so for me they really make or brake the set.
If the novelty set makes it I'm definitely down for a set! :thumb:
I think the amount of options is a little limited by two keys I would be really missing tho personally:
An orange on gray Esc and atleast one additional orange 1u R1.
Right now the options for using the orange novelty row would be pretty much limited to this:
(http://i.imgur.com/NLGGKyD.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/7tHdRPq.png)
To achieve symmetry you would need atleast one of the mentioned keys, which would allow for layouts like this:
With Orange on gray Esc
(http://i.imgur.com/8oJifEt.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/mYk1b3M.png)
With one additional 1u R1
(http://i.imgur.com/cryJ0RC.png)
Im personally a big fan of the all orange top row.
If adding additional keys is not an option at this point, this could even be achieved by changing print, lock and pause to gray on orange like it was in the original Carbon set.
The best solution imo would be to add the additional orange on gray Esc, aswell as an extra gray on orange 1u R1 like ~`.
I reallt hope this can be taken into consideration as it shouldn't be to big of a change, and I personally would much prefer more color options and proper implementation of the noveltys over R5 support...
Edit: excuse the quick dirty mockups (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@_c=%23f56700&t=%23403e3c&a:6%3B&=Esc&_a:7&f:9%3B&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&_a:4&f:3%3B&=~%0A%60%3B&@_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&w:1.5%3B&=Tab&_c=%23f5f0d7&t=%23403e3c%3B&=Q&=W&=E&=R&=T&=Y&=U&=I&=O&=P&=%7B%0A%5B&=%7D%0A%5D&_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&w:1.5%3B&=Delete%3B&@_w:1.75%3B&=Caps%20Lock&_c=%23f5f0d7&t=%23403e3c%3B&=A&=S&=D&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&=%2F:%0A%2F%3B&=%22%0A'&_c=%23f56700&w:2.25%3B&=Enter%3B&@_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&w:2.25%3B&=Shift&_c=%23f5f0d7&t=%23403e3c%3B&=Z&=X&=C&=V&=B&=N&=M&=%3C%0A,&=%3E%0A.&=%3F%0A%2F%2F&_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&w:2.75%3B&=Shift%3B&@_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&_w:1.25%3B&=Win&_w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_c=%23f5f0d7&t=%23000000&a:7&w:6.25%3B&=&_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&a:4&w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_w:1.25%3B&=Win&_w:1.25%3B&=Menu&_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl)
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 29 April 2016, 09:29:19
Dang dat novelty set... :eek:
To me Carbon is a lot about having the warning symbol keys, so for me they really make or brake the set.
If the novelty set makes it I'm definitely down for a set! :thumb:
I think the amount of options is a little limited by two keys I would be really missing tho personally:
An orange on gray Esc and atleast one additional orange 1u R1.
Right now the options for using the orange novelty row would be pretty much limited to this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NLGGKyD.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7tHdRPq.png)
To achieve symmetry you would need atleast one of the mentioned keys, which would allow for layouts like this:
With Orange on gray EscShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/8oJifEt.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mYk1b3M.png)
With one additional 1u R1Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cryJ0RC.png)
Im personally a big fan of the all orange top row.
If adding additional keys is not an option at this point, this could even be achieved by changing print, lock and pause to gray on orange like it was in the original Carbon set.
The best solution imo would be to add the additional orange on gray Esc, aswell as an extra gray on orange 1u R1 like ~`.
I reallt hope this can be taken into consideration as it shouldn't be to big of a change, and I personally would much prefer more color options and proper implementation of the noveltys over R5 support...
Edit: excuse the quick dirty mockups (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@_c=%23f56700&t=%23403e3c&a:6%3B&=Esc&_a:7&f:9%3B&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&_a:4&f:3%3B&=~%0A%60%3B&@_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&w:1.5%3B&=Tab&_c=%23f5f0d7&t=%23403e3c%3B&=Q&=W&=E&=R&=T&=Y&=U&=I&=O&=P&=%7B%0A%5B&=%7D%0A%5D&_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&w:1.5%3B&=Delete%3B&@_w:1.75%3B&=Caps%20Lock&_c=%23f5f0d7&t=%23403e3c%3B&=A&=S&=D&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&=%2F:%0A%2F%3B&=%22%0A'&_c=%23f56700&w:2.25%3B&=Enter%3B&@_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&w:2.25%3B&=Shift&_c=%23f5f0d7&t=%23403e3c%3B&=Z&=X&=C&=V&=B&=N&=M&=%3C%0A,&=%3E%0A.&=%3F%0A%2F%2F&_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&w:2.75%3B&=Shift%3B&@_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&_w:1.25%3B&=Win&_w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_c=%23f5f0d7&t=%23000000&a:7&w:6.25%3B&=&_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&a:4&w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_w:1.25%3B&=Win&_w:1.25%3B&=Menu&_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl)
Orange novelty row could also be used on function keys on a TKL or fullsize board.
Post by: kurtle107 on Fri, 29 April 2016, 10:44:04
Post by: MaNiFeX on Fri, 29 April 2016, 12:37:04
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 29 April 2016, 12:56:47
Dang dat novelty set... :eek:
To me Carbon is a lot about having the warning symbol keys, so for me they really make or brake the set.
If the novelty set makes it I'm definitely down for a set! :thumb:
I think the amount of options is a little limited by two keys I would be really missing tho personally:
An orange on gray Esc and atleast one additional orange 1u R1.
Right now the options for using the orange novelty row would be pretty much limited to this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NLGGKyD.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7tHdRPq.png)
To achieve symmetry you would need atleast one of the mentioned keys, which would allow for layouts like this:
With Orange on gray EscShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/8oJifEt.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mYk1b3M.png)
With one additional 1u R1Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cryJ0RC.png)
Im personally a big fan of the all orange top row.
If adding additional keys is not an option at this point, this could even be achieved by changing print, lock and pause to gray on orange like it was in the original Carbon set.
The best solution imo would be to add the additional orange on gray Esc, aswell as an extra gray on orange 1u R1 like ~`.
I reallt hope this can be taken into consideration as it shouldn't be to big of a change, and I personally would much prefer more color options and proper implementation of the noveltys over R5 support...
Edit: excuse the quick dirty mockups (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@_c=%23f56700&t=%23403e3c&a:6%3B&=Esc&_a:7&f:9%3B&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&_a:4&f:3%3B&=~%0A%60%3B&@_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&w:1.5%3B&=Tab&_c=%23f5f0d7&t=%23403e3c%3B&=Q&=W&=E&=R&=T&=Y&=U&=I&=O&=P&=%7B%0A%5B&=%7D%0A%5D&_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&w:1.5%3B&=Delete%3B&@_w:1.75%3B&=Caps%20Lock&_c=%23f5f0d7&t=%23403e3c%3B&=A&=S&=D&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&=%2F:%0A%2F%3B&=%22%0A'&_c=%23f56700&w:2.25%3B&=Enter%3B&@_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&w:2.25%3B&=Shift&_c=%23f5f0d7&t=%23403e3c%3B&=Z&=X&=C&=V&=B&=N&=M&=%3C%0A,&=%3E%0A.&=%3F%0A%2F%2F&_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&w:2.75%3B&=Shift%3B&@_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&_w:1.25%3B&=Win&_w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_c=%23f5f0d7&t=%23000000&a:7&w:6.25%3B&=&_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&a:4&w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_w:1.25%3B&=Win&_w:1.25%3B&=Menu&_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl)
I understand and all but you guys understand we are limited here. I mean we are very limited.
Post by: _joe_king on Fri, 29 April 2016, 13:27:46
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I understand and all but you guys understand we are limited here. I mean we are very limited.
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This seems to be missed here.. Thank you for whatever we end up with! Super pumped about it :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: evangs on Fri, 29 April 2016, 13:28:51
I'm in no matter what, thanks for all the work on this!Dang dat novelty set... :eek:
To me Carbon is a lot about having the warning symbol keys, so for me they really make or brake the set.
If the novelty set makes it I'm definitely down for a set! :thumb:
I think the amount of options is a little limited by two keys I would be really missing tho personally:
An orange on gray Esc and atleast one additional orange 1u R1.
Right now the options for using the orange novelty row would be pretty much limited to this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NLGGKyD.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7tHdRPq.png)
To achieve symmetry you would need atleast one of the mentioned keys, which would allow for layouts like this:
With Orange on gray EscShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/8oJifEt.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mYk1b3M.png)
With one additional 1u R1Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cryJ0RC.png)
Im personally a big fan of the all orange top row.
If adding additional keys is not an option at this point, this could even be achieved by changing print, lock and pause to gray on orange like it was in the original Carbon set.
The best solution imo would be to add the additional orange on gray Esc, aswell as an extra gray on orange 1u R1 like ~`.
I reallt hope this can be taken into consideration as it shouldn't be to big of a change, and I personally would much prefer more color options and proper implementation of the noveltys over R5 support...
Edit: excuse the quick dirty mockups (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@_c=%23f56700&t=%23403e3c&a:6%3B&=Esc&_a:7&f:9%3B&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&=X&_a:4&f:3%3B&=~%0A%60%3B&@_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&w:1.5%3B&=Tab&_c=%23f5f0d7&t=%23403e3c%3B&=Q&=W&=E&=R&=T&=Y&=U&=I&=O&=P&=%7B%0A%5B&=%7D%0A%5D&_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&w:1.5%3B&=Delete%3B&@_w:1.75%3B&=Caps%20Lock&_c=%23f5f0d7&t=%23403e3c%3B&=A&=S&=D&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&=%2F:%0A%2F%3B&=%22%0A'&_c=%23f56700&w:2.25%3B&=Enter%3B&@_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&w:2.25%3B&=Shift&_c=%23f5f0d7&t=%23403e3c%3B&=Z&=X&=C&=V&=B&=N&=M&=%3C%0A,&=%3E%0A.&=%3F%0A%2F%2F&_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&w:2.75%3B&=Shift%3B&@_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&_w:1.25%3B&=Win&_w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_c=%23f5f0d7&t=%23000000&a:7&w:6.25%3B&=&_c=%23403e3c&t=%23f56700&a:4&w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_w:1.25%3B&=Win&_w:1.25%3B&=Menu&_w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl)
I understand and all but you guys understand we are limited here. I mean we are very limited.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Fri, 29 April 2016, 13:45:58
Orange novelty row could also be used on function keys on a TKL or fullsize board.
Sorry, my Im so used to thinking in a 60% format since I rarely use anything bigger then 75% personally. ;)
Thats true tho obviously not much of an issue for those who do.
I understand and all but you guys understand we are limited here. I mean we are very limited.
I do understand we are really limited here and I'm honestly happy with what ever we end up with aswell.
Its a gmk gb after all so as usual its all about creating the most universel set while trying to keep the price somewhat reasonable... :)
I just feel like this is a missed oportunity for implementing noveltys.
This could even be done by changing the color of the existing prt sc, scroll lock and pause keys without the need of adding new keys to the set.
So there wouldn't be any additional cost required to realize this, plus this is actually what the og set looked like as far as I know...
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 29 April 2016, 14:46:44
(http://i.imgur.com/YgkJaha.jpg)
The Bad:
- no row 5! (it is impossible to deal with that row as it exceed the 150$ mark always)
- no classic colorway
- no "Alt Gr" keys
The Good.
- Original Carbon colorway is back, but you can still gray out f-row and arrow cluster completely.
- Without the Carbon Novelty (after my calculation) we are under 140$.
- Carbon periodic novelty.
Post by: evangs on Fri, 29 April 2016, 14:48:17
Here is my next suggestion.Looks good!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/YgkJaha.jpg)
The Bad:
- no row 5! (it is impossible to deal with that row as it exceed the 150$ mark always)
- no classic colorway
- no "Alt Gr" keys
The Good.
- Original Carbon colorway is back, but you can still gray out f-row and arrow cluster completely.
- Without the Carbon Novelty (after my calculation) we are under 140$.
- Carbon periodic novelty.
Post by: riotonthebay on Fri, 29 April 2016, 14:51:47
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 29 April 2016, 14:55:37
Would it be possible to mockup the Carbon periodic novelty key with the C in it's normal place and the 12 over 6 as a sublegend? I'm afraid that it won't look very good as it stands, because it'll be the only vertically centered key on that row. If you'd like to keep it vertically centered, I think it would be better as R1 orange/black (a novelty Esc replacement).
I share the same concerns with you. I'll probably put it away. Anyway the most important thing right now is to get the whole kit right.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Fri, 29 April 2016, 15:01:04
Here is my next suggestion.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/YgkJaha.jpg)
The Bad:
- no row 5! (it is impossible to deal with that row as it exceed the 150$ mark always)
- no classic colorway
- no "Alt Gr" keys
The Good.
- Original Carbon colorway is back, but you can still gray out f-row and arrow cluster completely.
- Without the Carbon Novelty (after my calculation) we are under 140$.
- Carbon periodic novelty.
Love it! :-*
Post by: ScottieLK on Fri, 29 April 2016, 18:07:15
Post by: Jedi on Fri, 29 April 2016, 18:29:40
Post by: ideus on Fri, 29 April 2016, 19:11:05
Here is my next suggestion.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/YgkJaha.jpg)
The Bad:
- no row 5! (it is impossible to deal with that row as it exceed the 150$ mark always)
- no classic colorway
- no "Alt Gr" keys
The Good.
- Original Carbon colorway is back, but you can still gray out f-row and arrow cluster completely.
- Without the Carbon Novelty (after my calculation) we are under 140$.
- Carbon periodic novelty.
Why there is no 1u Alt? but there is 1u Ctrl.
Post by: RinSama269 on Sat, 30 April 2016, 00:29:39
Well I did saw the delete keybut what meant was the legend...so there is no way for the r2 HHKB backspace to be backspace... okR2 backspace for HHKB?Don't know but you are not the first person who can't see that delete key.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 30 April 2016, 01:29:23
Why there is no 1u Alt? but there is 1u Ctrl.Good catch, i'll add with the next update :)
Post by: ideus on Sat, 30 April 2016, 15:10:12
So far nobody is missing row5 ?
I really prefer row 5 bottom row for 1.5u and 1u modifiers, but I understand that most people use row 4, besides, having all bottom row keys in row 4 profile makes easier to mix and match them if required.
Post by: Rafa_n on Sat, 30 April 2016, 15:59:29
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 30 April 2016, 16:12:54
is there going to be a gray enter key? like in the carbon sa kitNo promise but i'll look into it. You know if i add it i have to add also iso enter.
I really prefer row 5 bottom row for 1.5u and 1u modifiers, but I understand that most people use row 4, besides, having all bottom row keys in row 4 profile makes easier to mix and match them if required.I prefere row 5 too. Actually i would be happy to change the bottom row completely to row 5, but afaik there is no 1.25u keys in row 5 available. Anyway i'll ask gmk again if they have it, maybe the things have been changed.
Hype indeed!Pardon for the delayed reply. I dont have any ideas for a novelty iso enter. I've tried already to make one with honeycumb structure but it does not look, because of the iso enter shape.
Look gorgeous :)
Any Chance for an ISO Novelty enter?
Post by: ideus on Sat, 30 April 2016, 16:30:09
Post by: Tmeee on Sat, 30 April 2016, 22:44:08
Post by: ba7777 on Sat, 30 April 2016, 23:12:13
We can only use L9-color spacebar(6U&PBT)in the 1800 layout as a replacement since GMK dont offer 6U spacebar.....That will be a great pity actually...No 6u spacebar can match "Costom Carbon color" perfectly....So are you implying we should get rid of the 1x bottom modify caps, my dear spring king?
I agree with you. Indeed without a matching 6x spacebars will put the modern 18xx keyboard owner into a dilemma.
Post by: Tmeee on Sun, 01 May 2016, 00:02:08
Yep,thank you for the detailed explanation. :thumb: :thumb:We can only use L9-color spacebar(6U&PBT)in the 1800 layout as a replacement since GMK dont offer 6U spacebar.....That will be a great pity actually...No 6u spacebar can match "Costom Carbon color" perfectly....So are you implying we should get rid of the 1x bottom modify caps, my dear spring king?
I agree with you. Indeed without a matching 6x spacebars will put the modern 18xx keyboard owner into a dilemma.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 01 May 2016, 05:38:56
We can only use L9-color spacebar(6U&PBT)in the 1800 layout as a replacement since GMK dont offer 6U spacebar.....That will be a great pity actually...No 6u spacebar can match "Costom Carbon color" perfectly....So are you implying we should get rid of the 1x bottom modify caps, my dear spring king?
I agree with you. Indeed without a matching 6x spacebars will put the modern 18xx keyboard owner into a dilemma.
But i disagree.
It was obvious from the start that this keyset will not match the origianl 1800 layout. You know the 6u spacebar. The 1u modify caps have thier place and are legit, because of 75% and modern 1800 look a like layouts.
Here is just example of Duck Octagon (75% layout).
(http://i.imgur.com/cPs89cB.png)
I wouldn't be surprized if other custom 1800 keyboards allow such variety for the bottom row.
Actually there was a discussion about using the available GMK colors and i got a chance to see V2 and N9 colors on a Dutch Keyboard Meetup. I have to say, that i am pretty sure those colors dont even come close to carbon colors. V2 is to bright and N9 is to dark (almost black). So i see no point to discuss the colors further. There are no matching colors and this keyset will get its custom colors for gray and orange 100%. Currently i am waiting for GMK color chips which i'll get probably in 3-4 weeks. I'll check then the beige (ivory/bone) colors. But honetly i doubt they got matching color for beige.
Post by: misconceit on Sun, 01 May 2016, 23:58:08
Post by: FoC_Tow on Mon, 02 May 2016, 01:18:47
So far nobody is missing row5 ?
I'm not really missing row5, because having more layout & color options makes more sense to me then having the bottom row twice in different profiles.
That beeing said I wouldn't mind going full row5 either if it was an option for 1.25 mods.
is there going to be a gray enter key? like in the carbon sa kit
Novelty set already features a gray enter key, so gray Esc > gray enter imo. ;)
Post by: Tmeee on Mon, 02 May 2016, 02:10:23
Glad to hear that.We will get skidata mod set if we are going to use v2 and n9.We can only use L9-color spacebar(6U&PBT)in the 1800 layout as a replacement since GMK dont offer 6U spacebar.....That will be a great pity actually...No 6u spacebar can match "Costom Carbon color" perfectly....So are you implying we should get rid of the 1x bottom modify caps, my dear spring king?
I agree with you. Indeed without a matching 6x spacebars will put the modern 18xx keyboard owner into a dilemma.
But i disagree.
It was obvious from the start that this keyset will not match the origianl 1800 layout. You know the 6u spacebar. The 1u modify caps have thier place and are legit, because of 75% and modern 1800 look a like layouts.
Here is just example of Duck Octagon (75% layout).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cPs89cB.png)
I wouldn't be surprized if other custom 1800 keyboards allow such variety for the bottom row.
Actually there was a discussion about using the available GMK colors and i got a chance to see V2 and N9 colors on a Dutch Keyboard Meetup. I have to say, that i am pretty sure those colors dont even come close to carbon colors. V2 is to bright and N9 is to dark (almost black). So i see no point to discuss the colors further. There are no matching colors and this keyset will get its custom colors for gray and orange 100%. Currently i am waiting for GMK color chips which i'll get probably in 3-4 weeks. I'll check then the beige (ivory/bone) colors. But honetly i doubt they got matching color for beige.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 02 May 2016, 11:17:30
Can 2 x 1.5u Meta/Win key be added with the 2 x 1u Alt ;D?
Thats an interessting suggestion. For example, i personaly like the winkeyles aesthetics, but i miss win key. Because i use it a lot. But i've never seen this kind of win-winkeyles layout. Maybe you got some pictures? If there are more people who like the idea of win-winkeles layout, just let me know i'll look then into it ;)
A gray ISO enter and full row 5 bottom row, wow! Cannot let it pass if it had all these features.
I'll look into it. But i do not promisse. You have to keep in mind, this will require 3 additional keys. Ansi, Iso and numpad enter.
Post by: PriusProblems on Mon, 02 May 2016, 11:49:52
Here is my next suggestion.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/YgkJaha.jpg)
The Bad:
- no row 5! (it is impossible to deal with that row as it exceed the 150$ mark always)
- no classic colorway
- no "Alt Gr" keys
The Good.
- Original Carbon colorway is back, but you can still gray out f-row and arrow cluster completely.
- Without the Carbon Novelty (after my calculation) we are under 140$.
- Carbon periodic novelty.
Do GMK sets usually feature Row 5? If so, which ones?
Post by: stix on Mon, 02 May 2016, 17:43:38
Post by: shower_king on Mon, 02 May 2016, 19:54:10
on custom legend, several custom-legend definitely make this set more beautiful and wonderful, however too many custom legend keycap mould may highly boost the cost ,considerring that these moulds are just made for this set and would not be used any more . The high cost may inhinder to hit MOQ. one or two R1 AND R4 EVEN R5 custom legend would be enough to make this set to perfection, in my opinion.
i think you definitely make it in a balanced way between number of custom legend keycaps and cost of all set .
Post by: ika on Mon, 02 May 2016, 20:08:20
Post by: Jedi on Mon, 02 May 2016, 20:36:02
If this runs on massdrop I don't think there will be any problem hitting 500+ MOQ if the price is somewhere between 100 and 140. Pretty good shot at 1k+ given how madly Reddit loves the Carbon colorway.
Wow, I'm not on reddit that often but if what you say is true, that would be amaze balls. Post the thread link here too if you have it.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 02 May 2016, 23:54:34
i perfer to and respect your adhering to custom color on this set. but do we unnecessarily to hit 500 MOQ on custom color? the TA need 1000MOQ, and intelly 78 negotiate to halve that to 500 MOQ, which make TA success.
on custom legend, several custom-legend definitely make this set more beautiful and wonderful, however too many custom legend keycap mould may highly boost the cost ,considerring that these moulds are just made for this set and would not be used any more . The high cost may inhinder to hit MOQ. one or two R1 AND R4 EVEN R5 custom legend would be enough to make this set to perfection, in my opinion.
i think you definitely make it in a balanced way between number of custom legend keycaps and cost of all set .
I think i was not clear enough previously. This set is going to have the moq of 150. Custom colors do not add that much to pricing. The novelties will be a complete separate drop. Though Carbon and Novelties will drop at the same time :)
Post by: Malenky on Tue, 03 May 2016, 08:07:25
Post by: Jedi on Tue, 03 May 2016, 08:48:33
i perfer to and respect your adhering to custom color on this set. but do we unnecessarily to hit 500 MOQ on custom color? the TA need 1000MOQ, and intelly 78 negotiate to halve that to 500 MOQ, which make TA success.Though Carbon and Novelties will drop at the same time :)
on custom legend, several custom-legend definitely make this set more beautiful and wonderful, however too many custom legend keycap mould may highly boost the cost ,considerring that these moulds are just made for this set and would not be used any more . The high cost may inhinder to hit MOQ. one or two R1 AND R4 EVEN R5 custom legend would be enough to make this set to perfection, in my opinion.
i think you definitely make it in a balanced way between number of custom legend keycaps and cost of all set .
Praise Jesus :thumb:
Post by: duras on Tue, 03 May 2016, 08:53:23
Post by: zzyjayfree on Tue, 03 May 2016, 23:41:58
Post by: gtxorb on Wed, 04 May 2016, 01:10:21
Post by: nickysan92 on Wed, 04 May 2016, 01:14:53
Will 100% be down for this regardless of the form it takes :)
Cheers!
Post by: audax989 on Wed, 04 May 2016, 02:00:41
Novelties is too expensive.......
why? how much are the novelties?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 04 May 2016, 02:44:48
Novelties is too expensive.......For real? Its GMK! You don't need these Novelties but you probably want them badly. These are unnecessery luxury items. So the price is ok. Again its GMK ;)
Just a small update: I am checking with GMK the 1.25u modifier keys in R5. If its available, we will probably go for full r5 bottom row. Spacebars ofcourse not included (or do they have also spacebars in R5???).
Post by: rioc on Wed, 04 May 2016, 04:19:15
Novelties is too expensive.......For real? Its GMK! You don't need these Novelties but you probably want them badly. These are unnecessery luxury items. So the price is ok. Again its GMK ;)
Just a small update: I am checking with GMK the 1.25u modifier keys in R5. If its available, we will probably go for full r5 bottom row. Spacebars ofcourse not included (or do they have also spacebars in R5???).
I thinks it's ok. As you said, it's GMK.
However, still gonna ask once more: any chance for a novelty graphine ISO enter?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 04 May 2016, 04:31:33
However, still gonna ask once more: any chance for a novelty graphine ISO enter?
I replied already here:
Basically there is no chance for an graphene iso enter, because it does not look. The honeycumb structure does not go well with the iso enter shape. If i get a better idea how to make an iso enter novelties, i would add it ofcourse.Any Chance for an ISO Novelty enter?Pardon for the delayed reply. I dont have any ideas for a novelty iso enter. I've tried already to make one with honeycumb structure but it does not look, because of the iso enter shape.
Just want to show you how an graphene iso enter looks like. I hope you can understand why i dont want to make it.
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=72241.0;attach=123320;image)
Post by: rioc on Wed, 04 May 2016, 06:01:18
Basically there is no chance for an graphene iso enter, because it does not look. The honeycumb structure does not go well with the iso enter shape. If i get a better idea how to make an iso enter novelties, i would add it ofcourse.
Just want to show you how an graphene iso enter looks like. I hope you can understand why i dont want to make it.Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=72241.0;attach=123320;image)
ok, yea, I see what you mean...
Post by: punkpc on Wed, 04 May 2016, 09:43:25
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 04 May 2016, 11:14:30
The previous R5 bottom row alone has caused an price increase of 10$. To allow more variety i decided to remove it. Hope you understand this decision. Designing something like this is more about strategy than everything else.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 04 May 2016, 12:56:38
Just got a reply from GMK. A complete R5 bottom row is not possible :'( So we stick with R4 bottom row.
The previous R5 bottom row alone has caused an price increase of 10$. To allow more variety i decided to remove it. Hope you understand this decision. Designing something like this is more about strategy than everything else.
+1, that is the right decision, even when it goes against the preferences of some of us, the greater good comes first.
Post by: _joe_king on Thu, 05 May 2016, 11:06:21
Just got a reply from GMK. A complete R5 bottom row is not possible :'( So we stick with R4 bottom row.
The previous R5 bottom row alone has caused an price increase of 10$. To allow more variety i decided to remove it. Hope you understand this decision. Designing something like this is more about strategy than everything else.
I will be ordering either way! Has it been 3 months yet?? :eek: :eek: :eek:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 05 May 2016, 11:51:48
The renders on the first page has been changed back to original colorway.
For the base kit:
- Added missing 1u r4 alt key.
- Removed Carbon periodic Novelty.
(http://i.imgur.com/bYiUp1d.jpg)
Probably i'll add all possible enter keys in grey color and one grey esc key. So people can eliminate orange keys completely.
Just got a reply from GMK. A complete R5 bottom row is not possible :'( So we stick with R4 bottom row.
The previous R5 bottom row alone has caused an price increase of 10$. To allow more variety i decided to remove it. Hope you understand this decision. Designing something like this is more about strategy than everything else.
I will be ordering either way! Has it been 3 months yet?? :eek: :eek: :eek:
Nope you have to wait until July :)
Post by: Gengarfan on Thu, 05 May 2016, 12:14:04
Just a small update.
The renders on the first page has been changed back to original colorway.
For the base kit:
- Added missing 1u r4 alt key.
- Removed Carbon periodic Novelty.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bYiUp1d.jpg)
Probably i'll add all possible enter keys in grey color and one grey esc key. So people can eliminate orange keys completely.Just got a reply from GMK. A complete R5 bottom row is not possible :'( So we stick with R4 bottom row.
The previous R5 bottom row alone has caused an price increase of 10$. To allow more variety i decided to remove it. Hope you understand this decision. Designing something like this is more about strategy than everything else.
I will be ordering either way! Has it been 3 months yet?? :eek: :eek: :eek:
Nope you have to wait until July :)
Is there a chance of a row 4 end/delete/fn key for zz96/75% layouts? I'm somewhat new so if you can already cover those layouts then I apologize in advance!
Post by: johuu on Thu, 05 May 2016, 13:41:33
Just a small update.
The renders on the first page has been changed back to original colorway.
For the base kit:
- Added missing 1u r4 alt key.
- Removed Carbon periodic Novelty.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bYiUp1d.jpg)
Probably i'll add all possible enter keys in grey color and one grey esc key. So people can eliminate orange keys completely.Just got a reply from GMK. A complete R5 bottom row is not possible :'( So we stick with R4 bottom row.
The previous R5 bottom row alone has caused an price increase of 10$. To allow more variety i decided to remove it. Hope you understand this decision. Designing something like this is more about strategy than everything else.
I will be ordering either way! Has it been 3 months yet?? :eek: :eek: :eek:
Nope you have to wait until July :)
You are doing a great job. I am in for GMK and SA R2 :)
Post by: tuco on Thu, 05 May 2016, 17:29:59
Post by: mimalik on Fri, 06 May 2016, 14:53:14
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sat, 07 May 2016, 09:17:38
Just a small update.
The renders on the first page has been changed back to original colorway.
For the base kit:
- Added missing 1u r4 alt key.
- Removed Carbon periodic Novelty.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bYiUp1d.jpg)
Probably i'll add all possible enter keys in grey color and one grey esc key. So people can eliminate orange keys completely.
Gray Esc (and possibly Enter) would be awesome! :thumb:
Will the Carbon periodic be removed completely or added to the novelties kit?
Also, why no lambda (HalfLife) love this time around? ;)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 07 May 2016, 09:38:47
Just a small update.
The renders on the first page has been changed back to original colorway.
For the base kit:
- Added missing 1u r4 alt key.
- Removed Carbon periodic Novelty.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bYiUp1d.jpg)
Probably i'll add all possible enter keys in grey color and one grey esc key. So people can eliminate orange keys completely.
Gray Esc (and possibly Enter) would be awesome! :thumb:
Will the Carbon periodic be removed completely or added to the novelties kit?
Also, why no lambda (HalfLife) love this time around? ;)
The Carbon periodic is removed completely, because it looks only with centered legends. I know it is one of coolest carbon novelties, but as i said it does not fit the GMKs legend alignment. I would suggest to make it as win key replacement, but it would require 3 new molds (1u, 1.25u and 1.5u sizes). So its gone.
The lambda, actually i dont know. I'd like to keep Novelties as they are currently, because you see the pricing for 13 new legends. But i'll look into lambda addition.
Post by: misconceit on Sat, 07 May 2016, 13:10:29
How about adding 1.5u novelties since there's only Alt and Ctrl in the base kit?Just a small update.
The renders on the first page has been changed back to original colorway.
For the base kit:
- Added missing 1u r4 alt key.
- Removed Carbon periodic Novelty.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bYiUp1d.jpg)
Probably i'll add all possible enter keys in grey color and one grey esc key. So people can eliminate orange keys completely.
Gray Esc (and possibly Enter) would be awesome! :thumb:
Will the Carbon periodic be removed completely or added to the novelties kit?
Also, why no lambda (HalfLife) love this time around? ;)
The Carbon periodic is removed completely, because it looks only with centered legends. I know it is one of coolest carbon novelties, but as i said it does not fit the GMKs legend alignment. I would suggest to make it as win key replacement, but it would require 3 new molds (1u, 1.25u and 1.5u sizes). So its gone.
The lambda, actually i dont know. I'd like to keep Novelties as they are currently, because you see the pricing for 13 new legends. But i'll look into lambda addition.
It would be a shame since it's the only key I'm missing for my 1u 1.5u 6u 1.5u 1u layout :-[
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 08 May 2016, 12:27:45
How about adding 1.5u novelties since there's only Alt and Ctrl in the base kit?
It would be a shame since it's the only key I'm missing for my 1u 1.5u 6u 1.5u 1u layout :-[
If i add 1.5u novelty then, i have to do it also for 1.25u and 1u. I do not prioritize any specific layout (in your case its hhkb). Also keep in mind every novelty increases the pricing greatly.
Post by: derpingit on Sun, 08 May 2016, 15:33:10
Post by: SBJ on Mon, 09 May 2016, 04:31:39
Post by: stoic-lemon on Mon, 09 May 2016, 07:26:48
Post by: ideus on Mon, 09 May 2016, 08:09:06
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 09 May 2016, 11:53:59
Nice to lots of people getting involved to make this set a success and iron out any potential pitfalls. It's always a shame when something crops up once a set has been launched and people get upset. I haven't even seen any home key wars. Since the Minila was mentioned here, I thought I would post mine. Not possible with GMK, but I am looking forward to putting these on my TX1800. I may never take them off.
I dont like 60% boards. Don't take it seriously, it's just my personal preference. However i got feelings for minila and i dont know why. That layout is mesmerizing. And that case.
The ISO render in the OP has a key that is not actually included in the kit: Row 3 #~.
Its made by Zambumon :) It's his Vision of ISO :)
Post by: ideus on Mon, 09 May 2016, 12:13:28
Nice to lots of people getting involved to make this set a success and iron out any potential pitfalls. It's always a shame when something crops up once a set has been launched and people get upset. I haven't even seen any home key wars. Since the Minila was mentioned here, I thought I would post mine. Not possible with GMK, but I am looking forward to putting these on my TX1800. I may never take them off.
I dont like 60% boards. Don't take it seriously, it's just my personal preference. However i got feelings for minila and i dont know why. That layout is mesmerizing. And that case.The ISO render in the OP has a key that is not actually included in the kit: Row 3 #~.
Its made by Zambumon :) It's his Vision of ISO :)
His render of your set is cool; but it may be confusing as it should reflects your design, instead of his desires.
Post by: rioc on Tue, 10 May 2016, 04:12:02
[...] However i got feelings for minila and i dont know why. That layout is mesmerizing. And that case.
Yeah, the minila is the most complete 60% in my eyes... maybe that's why, since it's got lots of extra keys... I'd love to be able to fully equip my ISO minila with the Carbon set :D
Post by: stix on Tue, 10 May 2016, 04:32:59
Post by: rioc on Tue, 10 May 2016, 06:11:03
So how long are we talking as I'm starting to twitch.
no need to rush it, rather have it well planned out and follow through... also gives me some more time to set aside the funding ;P
Post by: stix on Tue, 10 May 2016, 07:03:45
Post by: rioc on Tue, 10 May 2016, 07:04:57
Ha, some truth in that. It's not the end of the world as I'm still waiting on that carbon fiber case to come to fruition.
carbon fibre case for which board? I love carbon in all forms
Post by: stix on Tue, 10 May 2016, 07:59:55
Ha, some truth in that. It's not the end of the world as I'm still waiting on that carbon fiber case to come to fruition.
carbon fibre case for which board? I love carbon in all forms
[GB] CF-LX: Carbon Fiber 60% Case
[attach=1]
Post by: rioc on Tue, 10 May 2016, 09:41:39
Ha, some truth in that. It's not the end of the world as I'm still waiting on that carbon fiber case to come to fruition.
carbon fibre case for which board? I love carbon in all forms
[GB] CF-LX: Carbon Fiber 60% Case
(Attachment Link)
aha, the skeleton case... for some reason I had a full case in mind...
Post by: duras on Tue, 10 May 2016, 10:44:56
Post by: GroovyGI on Tue, 10 May 2016, 18:31:48
Post by: kkwapnioski on Wed, 11 May 2016, 00:06:54
Post by: loud_asian on Wed, 11 May 2016, 00:20:57
Is there any estimated date on this? I was leaning toward the MD for Jukebox SA, but this set is my endgame!
t0mb3ry mentioned july a page back
Post by: duras on Thu, 12 May 2016, 09:34:52
Post by: dunglefinker on Thu, 12 May 2016, 09:43:35
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 12 May 2016, 13:06:16
I let it so for one week. If you find something missing (very important keys only) just call it here and i'll be thankful. It's in human nature to oversee or forget things. If someone can get a catch i would appreciate it.
Now the curent and most probably final Version.
(http://i.imgur.com/AgKEkg5.jpg)
It covers following layouts:
- 100%, TKL, 75%, 60%
- WKL
- 1800 look a like
- HHKB to some degree (no 6u spacebar)
It offers also a great color variety. For example you can eliminate all the orange keys (though no legends) and make it almost classic. You have to keep in mind this keyset will get custom colors and you will not be able to mix and match it with other keysets as you like. Perhaps it will be hard to do so. This is the reason why i went full into variety. My goal was and is, to provide a forward-looking/future-secure keyset, Tastes changes but i want Carbon to last on your keyboard as much as possible.
For the Novelties i'd like to skip Lambda because it would increase pricing to ~90$. Also keep in mind the pricings posted previously did not considered custom colors. So the novelties will be like 80$ at 150 moq. Thats much but it's gonna be a separate drop. But i'll check the pricing with lambda anyway. If its ok then it will be added and Half Life 3 will be confirmed :).
So if you find a missing key then please reply here. Thanks.
Post by: duras on Thu, 12 May 2016, 13:54:29
Post by: ideus on Thu, 12 May 2016, 14:07:34
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 12 May 2016, 14:40:53
It seems complete, at first glance; however, I wonder if the 1.25u left shift, for ISO, can be manufactured with both, the text and the icon legends, due to its short width.Its ok :)
(http://i.imgur.com/ptmuK56.jpg)
Post by: soilheart on Thu, 12 May 2016, 14:48:11
Edit: I should add that Icon/textless and text+icon shifts have their icon on different heights, otherwise I would be ok with mixed I think.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 12 May 2016, 14:50:21
Post by: rioc on Fri, 13 May 2016, 01:50:10
Post by: VereChi on Fri, 13 May 2016, 02:12:19
It looks kinda cute, but cramped in my opinion. As an ISO user I prefer textless modifiers, partially because of this.
Edit: I should add that Icon/textless and text+icon shifts have their icon on different heights, otherwise I would be ok with mixed I think.
No icon modifier plz.
Post by: stix on Fri, 13 May 2016, 03:20:21
Post by: GroovyGI on Sat, 14 May 2016, 05:14:25
I have a new Leopold FC750 that needs Carbon and Orange.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 14 May 2016, 09:42:46
I am waiting for the next Carbon SA drop but would like to see this one have orange keys to match the Carbon SA Orange Alphas, if not the novelties. It is still my favorite but I never thought it would be made in this new profile.
I have a new Leopold FC750 that needs Carbon and Orange.
Why do you want the keys in this set to match those of Carbon SA? Their profiles are so different that they may look and feel very awkward if they were installed side by side in the same keyboard.
Post by: Malenky on Sun, 15 May 2016, 15:29:42
More
(http://i.imgur.com/oFMFpFH.png)
Also a stepped "ctrl" key for r3 (to replace caps lock) would be nice.
Post by: stix on Mon, 16 May 2016, 02:36:17
I really wish there could be an ISO modifier like on Hyperfuse:MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/oFMFpFH.png)
Also a stepped "ctrl" key for r3 (to replace caps lock) would be nice.
It was my understanding that ISO was being taken care of?
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 16 May 2016, 20:16:06
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 17 May 2016, 00:17:18
So you doing this or wat?
Yes. It will run in July on Massdrop.
Post by: xiaodian317 on Tue, 17 May 2016, 00:26:02
So you doing this or wat?
Yes. It will run in July on Massdrop.
Wait for 2 month? :eek:
Post by: nickysan92 on Tue, 17 May 2016, 01:36:05
So you doing this or wat?
Yes. It will run in July on Massdrop.
Thank god for this because my wallet has been running dry...
Post by: LunarisDream on Tue, 17 May 2016, 02:17:27
So you doing this or wat?
Yes. It will run in July on Massdrop.
Fantastic news. I'm all in for all the recent GMK designs. They all look fantastic and not having to worry about kits that drive the total to over $200 is a blessing (cough SP cough).
Post by: WNovizar on Tue, 17 May 2016, 02:21:46
So you doing this or wat?
Yes. It will run in July on Massdrop.
Fantastic news. I'm all in for all the recent GMK designs. They all look fantastic and not having to worry about kits that drive the total to over $200 is a blessing (cough SP cough).
You know that Carbon Base Kit + Novelty will be 200+ right? :p :p
Post by: duras on Tue, 17 May 2016, 13:03:14
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 17 May 2016, 16:24:12
Will there be any way to buy the set with a second 2.25u shift to support the FC660M/Clueboard?That is a very good sugestion. I might look into it, if the pricing for the current version is going to be too high for my taste (in a strategic way). If i skip the current version, say the gray enters will be skipped, then i might add that 2.25u shift. Keep in mind this is not a promise, because this is GMK keyset and i got limitations.
Post by: feediko on Tue, 17 May 2016, 17:37:11
Post by: vincentalpha on Wed, 18 May 2016, 05:13:35
Post by: ideus on Wed, 18 May 2016, 07:21:21
Post by: dannrawr on Wed, 18 May 2016, 11:12:10
Post by: ideus on Wed, 18 May 2016, 11:49:20
hopefully strong enough to save some moneh
Yeah, the OP already stated this is gonna be an expensive set, meaning that it may not be suitable for everyone, but being a special color combination, it most have most of the options covered, as matching key caps are not available somewhere else. I should check if I may get in, by the time the set becomes available. It does not matter how good looking the set is, cost will always be important, because I have a user mentality, over a collector's; therefore, maybe, I should be contempt by seeing pictures of the set, only. :p
Let's see.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 18 May 2016, 14:39:05
So you doing this or wat?
heed so thirsty for 1.25 fn :))
I'm still liking where this is going, looking forward to it.
Post by: pear_voz on Wed, 18 May 2016, 14:54:37
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 18 May 2016, 16:06:01
I know it's weird but when will we have SA Carbon R2 :( will it run in the same time with this GMK GB?
Sry i know there is already 3k rerun votes but i thought cherry lovers would appreciate carbon colors. So this is why i made it gmk. Ofcourse if i start developing SA Carbon R2, i'll announce it properly so everybody will get to know it. Hope i'll get the same input/feedback like always. However right now i need to finish this project first. After that i will go for Yuri and then SA Carbon R2.
hopefully strong enough to save some moneh
Yeah, the OP already stated this is gonna be an expensive set, meaning that it may not be suitable for everyone, but being a special color combination, it most have most of the options covered, as matching key caps are not available somewhere else. I should check if I may get in, by the time the set becomes available. It does not matter how good looking the set is, cost will always be important, because I have a user mentality, over a collector's; therefore, maybe, I should be contempt by seeing pictures of the set, only. :p
Let's see.
As i said i am aiming for 140$ per base set. ~80$ for Novelties at 150 moq. The colorcombo is proven...
Actually i am thinking about to skip the gray enter keys and add additional 2.25 shift key so clueboard and leo660 users could join the drop. We'll keep the gray escape key. Basically if i do so, the orange enter keys will be unavoidable, but not for those who will buy the novelties (it has gray graphene enter...). On top of that i think we'll have room for an additional key.
By the way, is everybody ok with windows keys or should we use "code" (1.25u and 1u) keys? I am very flexible here because i am not that picky for this special key.
Post by: Gengarfan on Wed, 18 May 2016, 16:27:03
I know it's weird but when will we have SA Carbon R2 :( will it run in the same time with this GMK GB?
Sry i know there is already 3k rerun votes but i thought cherry lovers would appreciate carbon colors. So this is why i made it gmk. Ofcourse if i start developing SA Carbon R2, i'll announce it properly so everybody will get to know it. Hope i'll get the same input/feedback like always. However right now i need to finish this project first. After that i will go for Yuri and then SA Carbon R2.hopefully strong enough to save some moneh
Yeah, the OP already stated this is gonna be an expensive set, meaning that it may not be suitable for everyone, but being a special color combination, it most have most of the options covered, as matching key caps are not available somewhere else. I should check if I may get in, by the time the set becomes available. It does not matter how good looking the set is, cost will always be important, because I have a user mentality, over a collector's; therefore, maybe, I should be contempt by seeing pictures of the set, only. :p
Let's see.
As i said i am aiming for 140$ per base set. ~80$ for Novelties at 150 moq. The colorcombo is proven...
Actually i am thinking about to skip the gray enter keys and add additional 2.25 shift key so clueboard and leo660 users could join the drop. We'll keep the gray escape key. Basically if i do so, the orange enter keys will be unavoidable, but not for those who will buy the novelties (it has gray graphene enter...). On top of that i think we'll have room for an additional key.
By the way, is everybody ok with windows keys or should we use "code" (1.25u and 1u) keys? I am very flexible here because i am not that picky for this special key.
Are you talking about removing the windows keys completely for the code keys? I personally love having windows keys and would be against that. I am fully on board with everything else :D
Post by: duras on Wed, 18 May 2016, 16:53:18
I know it's weird but when will we have SA Carbon R2 :( will it run in the same time with this GMK GB?
Sry i know there is already 3k rerun votes but i thought cherry lovers would appreciate carbon colors. So this is why i made it gmk. Ofcourse if i start developing SA Carbon R2, i'll announce it properly so everybody will get to know it. Hope i'll get the same input/feedback like always. However right now i need to finish this project first. After that i will go for Yuri and then SA Carbon R2.hopefully strong enough to save some moneh
Yeah, the OP already stated this is gonna be an expensive set, meaning that it may not be suitable for everyone, but being a special color combination, it most have most of the options covered, as matching key caps are not available somewhere else. I should check if I may get in, by the time the set becomes available. It does not matter how good looking the set is, cost will always be important, because I have a user mentality, over a collector's; therefore, maybe, I should be contempt by seeing pictures of the set, only. :p
Let's see.
As i said i am aiming for 140$ per base set. ~80$ for Novelties at 150 moq. The colorcombo is proven...
Actually i am thinking about to skip the gray enter keys and add additional 2.25 shift key so clueboard and leo660 users could join the drop. We'll keep the gray escape key. Basically if i do so, the orange enter keys will be unavoidable, but not for those who will buy the novelties (it has gray graphene enter...). On top of that i think we'll have room for an additional key.
By the way, is everybody ok with windows keys or should we use "code" (1.25u and 1u) keys? I am very flexible here because i am not that picky for this special key.
I would definitely prefer "code"
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 18 May 2016, 17:03:17
Are you talking about removing the windows keys completely for the code keys? I personally love having windows keys and would be against that. I am fully on board with everything else :D
Yeah replacing windows keys with code. But its just a suggestion... If people got problem with it then not.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 18 May 2016, 17:23:58
Are you talking about removing the windows keys completely for the code keys? I personally love having windows keys and would be against that. I am fully on board with everything else :D
Yeah replacing windows keys with code. But its just a suggestion... If people got problem with it then not.
+1 for code, that is vendor neutral.
Post by: Gengarfan on Wed, 18 May 2016, 18:01:27
Are you talking about removing the windows keys completely for the code keys? I personally love having windows keys and would be against that. I am fully on board with everything else :D
Yeah replacing windows keys with code. But its just a suggestion... If people got problem with it then not.
Ah okay. Well my vote is to keep the win key in that case.
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 18 May 2016, 18:17:08
Post by: ScottieLK on Wed, 18 May 2016, 18:37:43
Post by: rioc on Thu, 19 May 2016, 02:00:50
Post by: nugglets on Thu, 19 May 2016, 02:10:44
If it's the text "WIN" keys in the layout renders, then I don't really care if it's WIN or CODE.
But those orange on grey logos look pretty good, IMO.
Post by: rondg on Thu, 19 May 2016, 03:54:01
Post by: johuu on Thu, 19 May 2016, 09:29:19
Post by: eddible on Thu, 19 May 2016, 09:54:26
Post by: need on Thu, 19 May 2016, 10:09:34
Post by: punkpc on Thu, 19 May 2016, 10:19:59
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-9994_20150820134031_6656c65f5542f4fb.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=965&h=292&dpr=1)
Is the Carbon key just not possible?
How about a Cherry or GMK logo in the Carbon color way for the Windows / Code key?
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=81529.0;attach=135133;image)
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=81565.0;attach=135316;image)
Just a thought...
Post by: shangrila500 on Thu, 19 May 2016, 12:56:43
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 19 May 2016, 15:39:53
I think we are done with base kit.
I'll try to check the pricing next week. If pricing is reasonable i'll keep it.
Post by: ScottieLK on Thu, 19 May 2016, 15:40:40
I would be ok with a non-windows key. I am a multi OS user so generic keys or novelty keys are better.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-9994_20150820134031_6656c65f5542f4fb.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=965&h=292&dpr=1)
Is the Carbon key just not possible?
How about a Cherry or GMK logo in the Carbon color way for the Windows / Code key?Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=81529.0;attach=135133;image)Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=81565.0;attach=135316;image)
Just a thought...
Would these be feasible? I really like the cherry logo ones
Post by: need on Thu, 19 May 2016, 15:43:17
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 19 May 2016, 15:57:20
I would be ok with a non-windows key. I am a multi OS user so generic keys or novelty keys are better.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-9994_20150820134031_6656c65f5542f4fb.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=965&h=292&dpr=1)
Is the Carbon key just not possible?
How about a Cherry or GMK logo in the Carbon color way for the Windows / Code key?Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=81529.0;attach=135133;image)Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=81565.0;attach=135316;image)
Just a thought...
Would these be feasible? I really like the cherry logo ones
Those cherry logos are available only in 1u size, but we need it in 1.25u size too. In short its not an option. Code is available in 1.25u and 1u sizes. So win or code. Code was clearly louder here.
Post by: ScottieLK on Thu, 19 May 2016, 16:26:24
I would be ok with a non-windows key. I am a multi OS user so generic keys or novelty keys are better.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-9994_20150820134031_6656c65f5542f4fb.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=965&h=292&dpr=1)
Is the Carbon key just not possible?
How about a Cherry or GMK logo in the Carbon color way for the Windows / Code key?Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=81529.0;attach=135133;image)Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=81565.0;attach=135316;image)
Just a thought...
Would these be feasible? I really like the cherry logo ones
Those cherry logos are available only in 1u size, but we need it in 1.25u size too. In short its not an option. Code is available in 1.25u and 1u sizes. So win or code. Code was clearly louder here.
Ah, makes sense. Still really excited for the set to drop though!
Post by: punkpc on Thu, 19 May 2016, 16:32:12
Same here!I would be ok with a non-windows key. I am a multi OS user so generic keys or novelty keys are better.Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-9994_20150820134031_6656c65f5542f4fb.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=965&h=292&dpr=1)
Is the Carbon key just not possible?
How about a Cherry or GMK logo in the Carbon color way for the Windows / Code key?Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=81529.0;attach=135133;image)Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=81565.0;attach=135316;image)
Just a thought...
Would these be feasible? I really like the cherry logo ones
Those cherry logos are available only in 1u size, but we need it in 1.25u size too. In short its not an option. Code is available in 1.25u and 1u sizes. So win or code. Code was clearly louder here.
Ah, makes sense. Still really excited for the set to drop though!
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Post by: shower_king on Thu, 19 May 2016, 22:22:59
Post by: stix on Fri, 20 May 2016, 02:33:30
Would it be possible to add orange CODE (WIN) keys to the novelties?
Post by: eddible on Fri, 20 May 2016, 03:17:28
Post by: FoC_Tow on Fri, 20 May 2016, 05:03:11
Well then we go with CODE. Also decided to keep all the grey enters. An additional shift 2.25u (clueboard and leo fc660) will be added too.
+1
Much prefer CODE over Win.
Actually i am thinking about to skip the gray enter keys and add additional 2.25 shift key so clueboard and leo660 users could join the drop. We'll keep the gray escape key. Basically if i do so, the orange enter keys will be unavoidable, but not for those who will buy the novelties (it has gray graphene enter...). On top of that i think we'll have room for an additional key.
I would personally be ok with dropping gray enter keys even tho this idea seems to be pretty much abandoned by now.
Especially wondering how many people are going to make use of the gray iso or gray numpad enter, and if something else like an extra set of orange code keys wouldnt be more usefull for most people.
Also, probably unrealistic but just to throw it out there:
Since we are already adding an extra 2.25 Shift, how about adding an 2.75 off white blank Shift for VE:A and potentially 40% Spacebar support? xD
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 20 May 2016, 05:49:17
Post by: FoC_Tow on Fri, 20 May 2016, 06:38:13
Now you're pushing it :P
Yeah I know... ;)
Ignore the 2.75 Shift part, its probably too far out there. ;D
Regarding gray enter tho, while I like color options, going with both versions for ansi, numpad, iso and novelty enter seems a bit overkill to me tbh.
Im good either way tho.
Cant have too many options I guess. :thumb:
Post by: duras on Fri, 20 May 2016, 08:41:18
Now you're pushing it :P
Yeah I know... ;)
Ignore the 2.75 Shift part, its probably too far out there. ;D
Regarding gray enter tho, while I like color options, going with both versions for ansi, numpad, iso and novelty enter seems a bit overkill to me tbh.
Im good either way tho.
Cant have too many options I guess. :thumb:
Yeah, I think the functionality of the right 2.25u shift would be far more advantageous than the extra enters.
Post by: jigg4 on Fri, 20 May 2016, 09:10:58
Post by: ideus on Fri, 20 May 2016, 09:59:39
Looks really nice. Any chance for an ISO DE Version?
What would be the demand for such a set? What other keys do you need to cover that layout? What would be the extra cost involved? When you figured that out, you may arise to the very same conclusion of most of the group buys for the last few years at GH: There is no enough demand to justify the extra costs for set with small demand. That is the main reason why must of the sets are focused on ANSI US.
Post by: Deeree1867 on Sun, 22 May 2016, 00:11:16
Post by: ipreferpie on Sun, 22 May 2016, 03:29:19
Post by: shower_king on Sun, 22 May 2016, 23:50:55
Is there any chance that there would be an optional Colemak/Dvorak sidekit being released in the future? Out of all GMK sets, this might have the highest potential for MOQ fulfillment, being so highly anticipated :) I'm down for 3 sets if it ever happens
Colemak/Dvorak is almost least in SA profile ,maybe Colemak/Dvorak is the most in GMK, if that , the kind guy would add this , if not , unfortunately
This kind guy would do all his ability to meet everyone's demond if possilbe but not a definite promise. .
Post by: robotmaxtron on Sun, 29 May 2016, 11:44:37
Post by: GroovyGI on Sun, 29 May 2016, 11:52:28
I am waiting for the next Carbon SA drop but would like to see this one have orange keys to match the Carbon SA Orange Alphas, if not the novelties. It is still my favorite but I never thought it would be made in this new profile.
I have a new Leopold FC750 that needs Carbon and Orange.
Why do you want the keys in this set to match those of Carbon SA? Their profiles are so different that they may look and feel very awkward if they were installed side by side in the same keyboard.
I think I would like the GMK profile over the SA profile. The main thing is I want Orange keys. I think I could get used to the SA profile but then switching between keyboards at home and work I think the GMK will be better but I hope to not wait for a year before they are available.
Post by: nickysan92 on Sun, 29 May 2016, 12:01:24
Post by: Suruga Devil on Sun, 29 May 2016, 12:05:03
Post by: Kemindo on Sun, 29 May 2016, 14:01:03
I would be ok with a non-windows key. I am a multi OS user so generic keys or novelty keys are better.Need to open the buy as soon as possible plz ! :p :p :pShow Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/MD-9994_20150820134031_6656c65f5542f4fb.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=965&h=292&dpr=1)
Is the Carbon key just not possible?
How about a Cherry or GMK logo in the Carbon color way for the Windows / Code key?Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=81529.0;attach=135133;image)Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=81565.0;attach=135316;image)
Just a thought...
Post by: kenmai9 on Wed, 01 June 2016, 18:49:03
Post by: ideus on Wed, 01 June 2016, 18:54:25
alright this is it. im not buying any other key cap set but this one.
With all the upcoming GMK made sets you would be better reconsidering to just commiting with one.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 01 June 2016, 18:54:35
alright this is it. im not buying any other key cap set but this one.
Not even GMK Hyperfuse r2?
Post by: kenmai9 on Wed, 01 June 2016, 18:57:20
alright this is it. im not buying any other key cap set but this one.
With all the upcoming GMK made sets you would be better reconsidering to just commiting with one.
i may dabble..
alright this is it. im not buying any other key cap set but this one.
Not even GMK Hyperfuse r2?
alright you got me.
Post by: zzyjayfree on Wed, 01 June 2016, 22:58:21
Post by: nickysan92 on Thu, 02 June 2016, 06:38:51
In fact, does anybody know if, moving forward, all GMK sets will be adopting said reformulation?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 02 June 2016, 10:13:33
By the way, will this keyset be using the same updated/reformulated plastic material similar to Skidata+'s?
In fact, does anybody know if, moving forward, all GMK sets will be adopting said reformulation?
Yes it will, like all the upcoming GMK sets.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 02 June 2016, 10:20:37
By the way, will this keyset be using the same updated/reformulated plastic material similar to Skidata+'s?
In fact, does anybody know if, moving forward, all GMK sets will be adopting said reformulation?
Yes it will, like all the upcoming GMK sets.
Not all the upcoming ones. I think just the ones made after Skidata+. There are some sets that were set as GBs after Skidata+, but were made before.
Monkey was run as a GB after Skidata+, but doesn't use the same formula.
Also, I think I'm down for this. I wasn't a fan of the original Carbon, but seeing the renders in Cherry profile changed my mind. :cool:
Post by: shower_king on Thu, 02 June 2016, 21:05:03
By the way, will this keyset be using the same updated/reformulated plastic material similar to Skidata+'s?
In fact, does anybody know if, moving forward, all GMK sets will be adopting said reformulation?
Yes it will, like all the upcoming GMK sets.
the same with you
Not all the upcoming ones. I think just the ones made after Skidata+. There are some sets that were set as GBs after Skidata+, but were made before.
Monkey was run as a GB after Skidata+, but doesn't use the same formula.
Also, I think I'm down for this. I wasn't a fan of the original Carbon, but seeing the renders in Cherry profile changed my mind. :cool:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 03 June 2016, 10:53:23
By the way, will this keyset be using the same updated/reformulated plastic material similar to Skidata+'s?
In fact, does anybody know if, moving forward, all GMK sets will be adopting said reformulation?
Yes it will, like all the upcoming GMK sets.
Not all the upcoming ones. I think just the ones made after Skidata+. There are some sets that were set as GBs after Skidata+, but were made before.
Monkey was run as a GB after Skidata+, but doesn't use the same formula.
Also, I think I'm down for this. I wasn't a fan of the original Carbon, but seeing the renders in Cherry profile changed my mind. :cool:
I thought Monkey was made before Skidata+. Anyway i am hyped about skidata+. Can't wait to get mine :)
Well hope you make it into Carbon drop. I recomend you to look at Carbon in person to make a right decision. I personally am in love with beige alphas. They are like bones/ivory. Sadly the photos can never impart the color vibe perfectly.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 03 June 2016, 11:21:20
By the way, will this keyset be using the same updated/reformulated plastic material similar to Skidata+'s?
In fact, does anybody know if, moving forward, all GMK sets will be adopting said reformulation?
Yes it will, like all the upcoming GMK sets.
Not all the upcoming ones. I think just the ones made after Skidata+. There are some sets that were set as GBs after Skidata+, but were made before.
Monkey was run as a GB after Skidata+, but doesn't use the same formula.
Also, I think I'm down for this. I wasn't a fan of the original Carbon, but seeing the renders in Cherry profile changed my mind. :cool:
I thought Monkey was made before Skidata+. Anyway i am hyped about skidata+. Can't wait to get mine :)
Well hope you make it into Carbon drop. I recomend you to look at Carbon in person to make a right decision. I personally am in love with beige alphas. They are like bones/ivory. Sadly the photos can never impart the color vibe perfectly.
Correct! It was made before Skidata+, and doesn't have the reformulated plastic. But the GB for Monkey was run in...February? Whereas Skidata+ was in November of last year.
So hopefully all production after Skidata+ will have the reformulated plastic.
Post by: Capmerica on Fri, 03 June 2016, 13:24:44
Post by: honeynugget on Fri, 03 June 2016, 13:25:46
Guys, I have a noob question. Are these key caps made off ABS or PBT?GMK only does ABS
Post by: tommyonsn on Tue, 07 June 2016, 13:34:11
Post by: kenmai9 on Tue, 07 June 2016, 14:42:47
Post by: need on Tue, 07 June 2016, 15:44:43
Post by: megaforce on Tue, 07 June 2016, 20:22:03
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 08 June 2016, 12:29:03
Here is the final verion of the base kit:
(http://i.imgur.com/jinJX5w.jpg)
- Approximate price range is 130-150$
- 3 custom colors (all 3 Carbon colors)
- Layouts: 60%, 75%, tkl, 100%, wkl, 1800 look a like and cluebord (leopold fc660)
- Rich colorway variety for a gmk keyset. For example, you can eliminate orange keys completely (say only beige and gray keys).
- Code keys instead of windows. I like it more os neutral and i hope you agree with me.
Here is the final version of novelties:
(http://i.imgur.com/ex2swvQ.jpg)
- expect a price range of 70-90$
- two custom colors (gray and orange from Carbon)
- this will be a separate drop
- added lambda key (HL3 confirmed :)))
Just wait until the drop starts...Its just a month. Meanwhile you can rob a bank or steal some money from your granny, so you can participate in the drop.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 08 June 2016, 12:31:15
As i said GB starts somewhere an July on Massdrop.
Here is the final verion of the base kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jinJX5w.jpg)
- Approximate price range is 130-150$
- 3 custom colors (all 3 Carbon colors)
- Layouts: 60%, 75%, tkl, 100%, wkl, 1800 look a like and cluebord (leopold fc660)
- Rich colorway variety for a gmk keyset. For example, you can eliminate orange keys completely (say only beige and gray keys).
- Code keys instead of windows. I like it more os neutral and i hope you agree with me.
Here is the final version of novelties:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ex2swvQ.jpg)
- expect a price range of 70-90$
- two custom colors (gray and orange from Carbon)
- this will be a separate drop
- added lambda key (HL3 confirmed :)))
Just wait until the drop starts...Its just a month. Meanwhile you can rob a bank or steal some money from your granny, so you can participate in the drop.
T0mb3ry, I was never into SA Carbon much, but that GMK render... Holy mole...
What color is used for the alpha legends?
Post by: Baddy126 on Wed, 08 June 2016, 12:31:47
As i said GB starts somewhere an July on Massdrop.\
Here is the final verion of the base kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jinJX5w.jpg)
- Approximate price range is 130-150$
- 3 custom colors (all 3 Carbon colors)
- Layouts: 60%, 75%, tkl, 100%, wkl, 1800 look a like and cluebord (leopold fc660)
- Rich colorway variety for a gmk keyset. For example, you can eliminate orange keys completely (say only beige and gray keys).
- Code keys instead of windows. I like it more os neutral and i hope you agree with me.
Here is the final version of novelties:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ex2swvQ.jpg)
- expect a price range of 70-90$
- two custom colors (gray and orange from Carbon)
- this will be a separate drop
- added lambda key (HL3 confirmed :)))
Just wait until the drop starts...Its just a month. Meanwhile you can rob a bank or steal some money from your granny, so you can participate in the drop.
You're my hero T0mb3ry
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 08 June 2016, 12:38:29
What color is used for the alpha legends?
It's the same gray as the modifiers. There are only three colors. If you like i can describe how the colors look like in person. I think this will make it easier for you to make a decision.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 08 June 2016, 12:47:17
- Code keys instead of windows. I like it more os neutral and i hope you agree with me.
Agreed 10/10
- added lambda key (HL3 confirmed :)))
You da best m9 420/69 <3
Might have to rob lots of ****, considering to get two sets now...
Post by: timerwin63 on Wed, 08 June 2016, 13:09:01
What color is used for the alpha legends?
It's the same gray as the modifiers. There are only three colors. If you like i can describe how the colors look like in person. I think this will make it easier for you to make a decision.
No R3 or R4 blanks
1!
Post by: GroovyGI on Wed, 08 June 2016, 13:44:40
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 08 June 2016, 14:11:28
No R3 or R4 blanksor Fn(I see the R4 Fn key now) key for 65% layouts? I guess it's not a huge deal. The renders look really nice. I'm getting super excited for the buy!
1!
Sorry we are pretty limited for blanks. Anyway i think this variety is pretty generous. By the way there are always artisans or some fun keys you can buy as a replacements for blanks.
Will Orange alphas be an option for this drop?
Nope. As you can see there are no orange alphas. As i said its gmk and we are limited. This keyset offers already enough variety for a gmk keyset.
Post by: GroovyGI on Wed, 08 June 2016, 14:16:51
Post by: duras on Wed, 08 June 2016, 14:44:40
Post by: hkf on Wed, 08 June 2016, 17:29:05
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 08 June 2016, 20:47:29
Sigh, why does it have to be on massdelay. Ugh
MD are actually pretty quick at shipping GMK sets
RGBK was super fast
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 08 June 2016, 22:50:49
Sigh, why does it have to be on massdelay. Ugh
MD are actually pretty quick at shipping GMK sets
RGBK was super fast
RGBK was stock from originative that was ready
Post by: _joe_king on Wed, 08 June 2016, 22:54:16
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 09 June 2016, 01:25:29
It was stated this is what the final version will be.
I get the desire to vote for alternative options, but it's a little late for that tbh.
Just give T0mb3ry some rest pls, he has done an awesome job listening to the community's feedback, and made this a far more perfect set that we could have asked for...
Post by: loud_asian on Thu, 09 June 2016, 01:52:32
Post by: rioc on Thu, 09 June 2016, 01:57:19
As i said GB starts somewhere an July on Massdrop.
Here is the final verion of the base kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jinJX5w.jpg)
- Approximate price range is 130-150$
- 3 custom colors (all 3 Carbon colors)
- Layouts: 60%, 75%, tkl, 100%, wkl, 1800 look a like and cluebord (leopold fc660)
- Rich colorway variety for a gmk keyset. For example, you can eliminate orange keys completely (say only beige and gray keys).
- Code keys instead of windows. I like it more os neutral and i hope you agree with me.
Here is the final version of novelties:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ex2swvQ.jpg)
- expect a price range of 70-90$
- two custom colors (gray and orange from Carbon)
- this will be a separate drop
- added lambda key (HL3 confirmed :)))
Just wait until the drop starts...Its just a month. Meanwhile you can rob a bank or steal some money from your granny, so you can participate in the drop.
Looking forward to this set so much!! the Base & Novelty kit are the greatest! :) (only missing the carbon periodical table key, but that's only a minor gripe. other than that this thing is perfect!) And yes, Code is better than Win Key ;)
Post by: ipreferpie on Thu, 09 June 2016, 09:54:21
As i said GB starts somewhere an July on Massdrop.
Here is the final verion of the base kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jinJX5w.jpg)
- Approximate price range is 130-150$
- 3 custom colors (all 3 Carbon colors)
- Layouts: 60%, 75%, tkl, 100%, wkl, 1800 look a like and cluebord (leopold fc660)
- Rich colorway variety for a gmk keyset. For example, you can eliminate orange keys completely (say only beige and gray keys).
- Code keys instead of windows. I like it more os neutral and i hope you agree with me.
Here is the final version of novelties:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ex2swvQ.jpg)
- expect a price range of 70-90$
- two custom colors (gray and orange from Carbon)
- this will be a separate drop
- added lambda key (HL3 confirmed :)) )
Just wait until the drop starts...Its just a month. Meanwhile you can rob a bank or steal some money from your granny, so you can participate in the drop.
Hi T0mb3ry, just wondering for the r2 1.5u Delete key, is there a reason why it's "Delete" not "Backspace" like most other kits?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 09 June 2016, 10:54:46
Hi T0mb3ry, just wondering for the r2 1.5u Delete key, is there a reason why it's "Delete" not "Backspace" like most other kits?
Backspace wouldn't fit into that key. Afaik for this size there is only delete and icon available. I am against only icon because all the modifiers have words. This why i choose delete.
Post by: _joe_king on Thu, 09 June 2016, 14:58:43
Splitting the novelty pack will only make things worse regarding the moq.
It was stated this is what the final version will be.
I get the desire to vote for alternative options, but it's a little late for that tbh.
Just give T0mb3ry some rest pls, he has done an awesome job listening to the community's feedback, and made this a far more perfect set that we could have asked for...
Post by: Floody on Thu, 09 June 2016, 15:19:31
I wasnt asking him to split the modifier pack.... I was asking if anyone wanted to throw in on one. I have done nothing but praise this entire process and all hes done just trying to see if anyone wants to go in on the pack.
I didn't get the sense that you were asking to have the pack modified don't know why someone would.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 09 June 2016, 15:40:29
I wasnt asking him to split the modifier pack.... I was asking if anyone wanted to throw in on one. I have done nothing but praise this entire process and all hes done just trying to see if anyone wants to go in on the pack.Splitting the novelty pack will only make things worse regarding the moq.
It was stated this is what the final version will be.
I get the desire to vote for alternative options, but it's a little late for that tbh.
Just give T0mb3ry some rest pls, he has done an awesome job listening to the community's feedback, and made this a far more perfect set that we could have asked for...
Sorry dude, totally misread your post somehow.
The follow up wasn't directed at you, just trying to prevent discussions about what could have been done. Gotta love the set the way it is.
I apologize
Post by: _joe_king on Thu, 09 June 2016, 17:17:20
I wasnt asking him to split the modifier pack.... I was asking if anyone wanted to throw in on one. I have done nothing but praise this entire process and all hes done just trying to see if anyone wants to go in on the pack.Splitting the novelty pack will only make things worse regarding the moq.
It was stated this is what the final version will be.
I get the desire to vote for alternative options, but it's a little late for that tbh.
Just give T0mb3ry some rest pls, he has done an awesome job listening to the community's feedback, and made this a far more perfect set that we could have asked for...
Sorry dude, totally misread your post somehow.
The follow up wasn't directed at you, just trying to prevent discussions about what could have been done. Gotta love the set the way it is.
I apologize
Post by: tommyonsn on Fri, 10 June 2016, 04:20:21
Post by: Jedi on Fri, 10 June 2016, 07:52:59
i would buy one !! When can begin to order?
This buy is going on Massdrop. No date has yet been given but is expected sometime in July.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 10 June 2016, 11:35:38
This is a comparison between recent enjoypbt keyset, which has offwhite alphas, and Carbon. Keep in mind its impossible to make 1:1 color photos because of light, camera, monitor etc. This is just for a small insight what to expect from carbon beige. Also you can see the gray legends on carbon key.
(http://i.imgur.com/qOj8LWH.jpg)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 15 June 2016, 10:39:51
Post by: ipreferpie on Wed, 15 June 2016, 10:48:01
Just in case to avoid some drama, you have to admit there is no 1u backspace - as i think the 1u "del" is the same. If many of you disagree, then just let me know and with enough feedback i'll add 1u backspace.Actually if it's possible, I'd like to request a row2 1.5u backspace, even with symbols, to keep it consistent with several other GMK sets
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 15 June 2016, 11:12:50
Just in case to avoid some drama, you have to admit there is no 1u backspace - as i think the 1u "del" is the same. If many of you disagree, then just let me know and with enough feedback i'll add 1u backspace.Actually if it's possible, I'd like to request a row2 1.5u backspace, even with symbols, to keep it consistent with several other GMK sets
Pardon, there is a 1.5u delete key already available. GMK does not have 1.5u backspace key. It needs a new mold. There is also a 1.5u backspace icon which i dont want to be a part of this keyset, because its only icon.
Anyway its the final version and there will be no changes, besides that 1u backspace key probably.
Just want to keep things clear with all the people, who are interested in this drop.
Post by: skaloola on Wed, 15 June 2016, 17:17:46
Sigh, why does it have to be on massdelay. Ugh
This has gotta be sarcasm right?
Post by: nugglets on Fri, 17 June 2016, 18:02:00
I would love an orange spacebar, but I don't want to be yet another person bugging you to change the kit. So would the orange space from Skidata+ be terribly different in color?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 17 June 2016, 18:33:11
Question here... how much different is the orange from the orange in the GMK Skidata+?
I would love an orange spacebar, but I don't want to be yet another person bugging you to change the kit. So would the orange space from Skidata+ be terribly different in color?
I have seen v2 color already in person. Carbon orange is more darker shade. However i think you can easily use an orange spacebar from skidata+. Just avoid placing each shades side by side, else the difference will be very visible.
Here for approximate comparison. Do you see the orange clack in almost middle of the picture? On my monitor that would be the shade difference. In rl the V2 colors of skidata is much lighter than displayed in this picture.(note this picture belongs to Karura)
(https://i.imgur.com/k6krbKs.jpg)
Post by: nugglets on Sat, 18 June 2016, 07:22:38
Post by: dyrdevil on Sat, 18 June 2016, 09:20:09
Would you say the carbon beige for the alphas is a close match for the plastic used on a white HHKB? If you happen to have a side-by-side of those colors, I'd be VERY interested in seeing it!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 18 June 2016, 09:37:55
this set looks amazing!
Would you say the carbon beige for the alphas is a close match for the plastic used on a white HHKB? If you happen to have a side-by-side of those colors, I'd be VERY interested in seeing it!
Till now i have seen only black(more grayish) hhkb in person. So i can't tell you exactly. However i have seen so many pictures of it and in my opinion the offwhite hhkb color leans more toward gray and blue colors. The Carbon beige has more yellow/brown accents. More like milk mixed with tiny portion of cacao powder? You cant call it white but neither brown or yellow. You see even in the pictures the colors are somehow not that correct...
Post by: sethbc on Sat, 18 June 2016, 11:27:28
Post by: Jaceun on Sun, 19 June 2016, 00:09:29
I'm especially thankful that you're including a second left shift, as I have a new FC660m on the way and when it comes to other cap sets, a lot of the time it seems to require buying multiple child kits to get that second shift. Terribly wasteful. I'm going to miss that elemental Carbon cap but I understand why it wasn't meant to be this time.
Looking forward to the July GB!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 19 June 2016, 03:19:36
Thanks for your hard work on this T0mb3ry. I've read the whole thread and am really excited to see how much you've been able to put into it, especially considering it's GMK. I don't know what it is, but the Carbon colorway is become a favorite of mine like nothing else I have yet seen in my relative newness to MKs. STILL kicking myself for not getting in on SA!
I'm especially thankful that you're including a second left shift, as I have a new FC660m on the way and when it comes to other cap sets, a lot of the time it seems to require buying multiple child kits to get that second shift. Terribly wasteful. I'm going to miss that elemental Carbon cap but I understand why it wasn't meant to be this time.
Looking forward to the July GB!
Hey thanks for the kind words and more so for the understanding the things/decisions i have done in particular way. I cant please everyone but i can at least try to please the majority and beyond.
I have to say, developing a GMK keyset is very different from the development of a SP keyset. Due to the limitations, set by high moq, its more about strategy and foreseeability than anything else. You have to guess demand and build up on it. Very risky.
Yeah i miss that carbon elemental key too. In my opinion its the best novelty of Carbon SA. Unfortunately due to the legends alignement this will not look as good as on SA profile. I am very picky in that case, it has to look perfect.
Post by: hoanglh94 on Sun, 19 June 2016, 06:47:25
Post by: Karura on Sun, 19 June 2016, 12:44:35
Question here... how much different is the orange from the orange in the GMK Skidata+?
I would love an orange spacebar, but I don't want to be yet another person bugging you to change the kit. So would the orange space from Skidata+ be terribly different in color?
I have seen v2 color already in person. Carbon orange is more darker shade. However i think you can easily use an orange spacebar from skidata+. Just avoid placing each shades side by side, else the difference will be very visible.
Here for approximate comparison. Do you see the orange clack in almost middle of the picture? On my monitor that would be the shade difference. In rl the V2 colors of skidata is much lighter than displayed in this picture.(note this picture belongs to Karura)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/k6krbKs.jpg)
For the record, that is not GMK V2 Orange... And the lighting in that photo is very inaccurate, as I did not whitebalance it.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 19 June 2016, 13:31:47
For the record, that is not GMK V2 Orange... And the lighting in that photo is very inaccurate, as I did not whitebalance it.
Didn't know it. However as i said V2 colors i much lighter. But afaik SKIDATA+ uses new plastic formula so i am wondering if there are any differences in shade. I saw pre formula change V2 color and i would call it very close if not even to OAV color from SP.
Anyway want to say Carbon orange is the darker shade compared to typical V2 color.
Waiting right now for my SKIDATA+ then i can tell the difference ;)
Post by: tung91 on Tue, 21 June 2016, 07:46:03
Post by: audax989 on Tue, 21 June 2016, 08:00:39
Love it , but so sad massdrop doesn't ship to my country :(
I feel you bro.. I always have to send mine to my sister then have her send it to me.
Post by: tung91 on Tue, 21 June 2016, 08:48:37
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160621/a145021520c0c24acb24b717f271a5e3.jpg)Love it , but so sad massdrop doesn't ship to my country :(
I feel you bro.. I always have to send mine to my sister then have her send it to me.
Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 21 June 2016, 23:09:51
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Post by: kenmai9 on Tue, 21 June 2016, 23:22:26
I got the first set of GMK Carbon.
(Attachment Link)
that is ****ing sharp/clean
can you put it on a poker?
Post by: slickmamba on Tue, 21 June 2016, 23:27:28
(http://imgur.com/t1awq5R.jpg)
Post by: loud_asian on Tue, 21 June 2016, 23:51:38
Mine came in today tooShow Image(http://imgur.com/t1awq5R.jpg)
*single tear rolls down cheek*
yup das it
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 21 June 2016, 23:51:47
Post by: kenmai9 on Tue, 21 June 2016, 23:56:45
Nice try guys but the colors are far too off :)
im dum
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 22 June 2016, 00:24:01
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 22 June 2016, 00:35:43
I got the first set of GMK Carbon.
(Attachment Link)
rekt
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 22 June 2016, 00:48:40
(http://i.imgur.com/0URTNWs.jpg)
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 22 June 2016, 00:50:55
Post by: slickmamba on Wed, 22 June 2016, 00:53:13
Post by: MOZ on Wed, 22 June 2016, 01:48:32
Post by: gadzkun on Wed, 22 June 2016, 02:09:56
but im still want carbon too. cant get enough orange in my laifu. :p
Post by: Gatix on Wed, 22 June 2016, 02:52:17
Will there be an ergodox kit just like in Carbon SA?
Post by: Deeree1867 on Wed, 22 June 2016, 03:56:15
Post by: salasource on Wed, 22 June 2016, 06:11:38
It's a sad situation. 25 up to 50 nordic-de kits may be very realistic if the set is highly attractive as this one.Looks really nice. Any chance for an ISO DE Version?
What would be the demand for such a set? What other keys do you need to cover that layout? What would be the extra cost involved? When you figured that out, you may arise to the very same conclusion of most of the group buys for the last few years at GH: There is no enough demand to justify the extra costs for set with small demand. That is the main reason why must of the sets are focused on ANSI US.
Granite r4 sold 77 international kits
Pulse r2 sold 69 international kits
Nantucket Selectric sold 23 international kits (still made it, even though the price was $55 for the kit)
Mito Overcast has sold 20 so far (4 days to go)
Post by: jigg4 on Wed, 22 June 2016, 06:28:11
Yes it is... This is why I'm currently considering to switch to the ANSI layout while still using ISO-DE as the system language. As far as I know the major down side of this would be the missing >< Button. Unfortunately I need this one quite often as a developer. Guess I will either have to deal with the button beeing on an FN layer or stay with ISO-DE...It's a sad situation. 25 up to 50 nordic-de kits may be very realistic if the set is highly attractive as this one.Looks really nice. Any chance for an ISO DE Version?
What would be the demand for such a set? What other keys do you need to cover that layout? What would be the extra cost involved? When you figured that out, you may arise to the very same conclusion of most of the group buys for the last few years at GH: There is no enough demand to justify the extra costs for set with small demand. That is the main reason why must of the sets are focused on ANSI US.
Granite r4 sold 77 international kits
Pulse r2 sold 69 international kits
Nantucket Selectric sold 23 international kits (still made it, even though the price was $55 for the kit)
Mito Overcast has sold 20 so far (4 days to go)
Post by: effectiveduck on Wed, 22 June 2016, 06:31:53
Couldn't you just go ANSI with a split left shift?Yes it is... This is why I'm currently considering to switch to the ANSI layout while still using ISO-DE as the system language. As far as I know the major down side of this would be the missing >< Button. Unfortunately I need this one quite often as a developer. Guess I will either have to deal with the button beeing on an FN layer or stay with ISO-DE...It's a sad situation. 25 up to 50 nordic-de kits may be very realistic if the set is highly attractive as this one.Looks really nice. Any chance for an ISO DE Version?
What would be the demand for such a set? What other keys do you need to cover that layout? What would be the extra cost involved? When you figured that out, you may arise to the very same conclusion of most of the group buys for the last few years at GH: There is no enough demand to justify the extra costs for set with small demand. That is the main reason why must of the sets are focused on ANSI US.
Granite r4 sold 77 international kits
Pulse r2 sold 69 international kits
Nantucket Selectric sold 23 international kits (still made it, even though the price was $55 for the kit)
Mito Overcast has sold 20 so far (4 days to go)
Post by: jigg4 on Wed, 22 June 2016, 06:43:07
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 22 June 2016, 07:02:14
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 22 June 2016, 07:21:21
Yes it is... This is why I'm currently considering to switch to the ANSI layout while still using ISO-DE as the system language. As far as I know the major down side of this would be the missing >< Button. Unfortunately I need this one quite often as a developer. Guess I will either have to deal with the button beeing on an FN layer or stay with ISO-DE...It's a sad situation. 25 up to 50 nordic-de kits may be very realistic if the set is highly attractive as this one.Looks really nice. Any chance for an ISO DE Version?
What would be the demand for such a set? What other keys do you need to cover that layout? What would be the extra cost involved? When you figured that out, you may arise to the very same conclusion of most of the group buys for the last few years at GH: There is no enough demand to justify the extra costs for set with small demand. That is the main reason why must of the sets are focused on ANSI US.
Granite r4 sold 77 international kits
Pulse r2 sold 69 international kits
Nantucket Selectric sold 23 international kits (still made it, even though the price was $55 for the kit)
Mito Overcast has sold 20 so far (4 days to go)
I wouldn't recommend sticking to iso-de as system language when using an ansi layout tbh.
Have you considered just switching to us intl?
I'm from Germany and was used to iso-de, and us-intl was not just easy to adapt to, but even far superior imo.
Stuff like slash, brackets etc is far easier to reach and not cramped on a function layer for example which makes a huge difference for coding, and shortcuts in Adobe software suddenly make that much more sense since they probably were designed with us layout in mind.
I would suggest giving us-intl a chance.
I know it might be hard to let go, but the advantages make up for it imo.
Post by: jigg4 on Wed, 22 June 2016, 07:36:35
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 22 June 2016, 09:08:39
Has anyone tested out the light bleed on the new improved plastic?
Yes I have with skidata and it is very good.
Post by: oatmicro on Wed, 22 June 2016, 19:02:06
because if I got the skidata so many keycaps would get wasted to made it look like carbon.
I need the carbon to heal me right now because I'm so much pain from Skidata markup </3
now, if I paid 300$ I can get 2 sets of GMK Carbon instead of Skidata base set and color pack and no keycap would get wasted as well.
Thanks for made it happen <3
Post by: Karura on Wed, 22 June 2016, 19:11:41
those fake carbon made me feel much better after I missed the skidata.
because if I got the skidata so many keycaps would get wasted to made it look like carbon.
I need the carbon to heal me right now because I'm so much pain form Skidata markup </3
now, if I paid 300$ I can get 2 sets of GMK Carbon instead of Skidata base set and color pack and no keycap would get wasted as well.
Thanks for made it happen <3
I honestly don't think you got the right idea. Carbon with the custom colour MOQ might make it more expensive than Skidata, and there's no way you will be getting "two sets" for the price of one, as SKIDATA+ was originally priced at cost (during the GB).
I'm posting with the intents of stopping misinformation from happening, so I will be objective with what I have to say.
Also, I want to point out, custom colours may seem like a good idea for the sake of having a custom colour, but it will potentially be more risky to run due to the custom plastic compound mixture, which might not be as robust as the standard GMK colours which have undergone extensive testing and reformulation to prevent lightbleed and other issues.
I wish GMK Carbon success and have every intent as a GMK fan of wanting to see it succeed, but I must to point out that Skidata colours are literally the same as the mockups posted (90% or higher match), and that going with a custom GMK compound might end up becoming complete disaster.
Even if the orange wasn't so similarly matching, is there really a market or need for another Orange set?
Once again:
1) If you insist on using a custom colour, you have to understand the downsides of it.
The colour is not extensively tested by GMK and may have issues.
Some issues being lightbleed and swirls on the plastic:
(http://i.imgur.com/z2YIFuU.jpg)
Do you really want something that will turn out like that? Going with a custom colour will potentially look like that. It would be absolutely garbage.
2) If you do not go with a custom colour, then you literally have the same colours as Skidata+.
I don't think it's worthwhile to make such a similar set, as you can already find a used beige set and pair it up with Skidata+.
Just my thoughts on the options. Either way, I don't think enough research has been done by the OP, and your options aren't great. In fact, it is a really bad idea to go with custom colours, but if you go with the standard orange, then you will literally have Skidata+.
Just wanted to share my experience from all the research I have conducted, and hope this helps.
Post by: shower_king on Wed, 22 June 2016, 19:56:36
those fake carbon made me feel much better after I missed the skidata.
because if I got the skidata so many keycaps would get wasted to made it look like carbon.
I need the carbon to heal me right now because I'm so much pain form Skidata markup </3
now, if I paid 300$ I can get 2 sets of GMK Carbon instead of Skidata base set and color pack and no keycap would get wasted as well.
Thanks for made it happen <3
I honestly don't think you got the right idea. Carbon with the custom colour MOQ might make it more expensive than Skidata, and there's no way you will be getting "two sets" for the price of one, as SKIDATA+ was originally priced at cost (during the GB).
I'm posting with the intents of stopping misinformation from happening, so I will be objective with what I have to say.
Also, I want to point out, custom colours may seem like a good idea for the sake of having a custom colour, but it will potentially be more risky to run due to the custom plastic compound mixture, which might not be as robust as the standard GMK colours which have undergone extensive testing and reformulation to prevent lightbleed and other issues.
I wish GMK Carbon success and have every intent as a GMK fan of wanting to see it succeed, but I must to point out that Skidata colours are literally the same as the mockups posted (90% or higher match), and that going with a custom GMK compound might end up becoming complete disaster.
Even if the orange wasn't so similarly matching, is there really a market or need for another Orange set?
Once again:
1) If you insist on using a custom colour, you have to understand the downsides of it.
The colour is not extensively tested by GMK and may have issues.
Some issues being lightbleed and swirls on the plastic:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/z2YIFuU.jpg)
Do you really want something that will turn out like that? Going with a custom colour will potentially look like that. It would be absolutely garbage.
2) If you do not go with a custom colour, then you literally have the same colours as Skidata+.
I don't think it's worthwhile to make such a similar set, as you can already find a used beige set and pair it up with Skidata+.
Just my thoughts on the options. Either way, I don't think enough research has been done by the OP, and your options aren't great. In fact, it is a really bad idea to go with custom colours, but if you go with the standard orange, then you will literally have Skidata+.
Just wanted to share my experience from all the research I have conducted, and hope this helps.
hi, kind boy , calm down and take it easy. i always show my great respect to the great and hard work you and your team have done on skidata。
however, custom legend and custom color as well good arrangement in lay-out and color -way is made by tombery and many kind boys who have proposed many ideas. ofcoure i agree with you on the risk of using custom colors. i think we should pay respect to the great work tombery have done on this GMK Carbon.
TA set has been launched by intelli78 (sorry for i could not remember his name exactly). Mr intelli78 has said TA will replicate the original TA as exactly as possible , so this set have been made using old moulds , causing crooked legend even some color of legend blending with bottom color and light-bleeding.Some flaws in TA will not appear in GMK Carbon due to old- moulds. meanwhile ,i agree with you on light-bleeding arising from new compound mixture. this has a possilbility of appearing on carbon.
Just my opinion of my own , not everyone, i don't like and use light on keyboard , light-bleeding or not are both ok for me . and light -bleeding doesn't mean low quality and only means :1, custom color plastic chosen, 2, formula for mixing the new color or custom color is not adequete. you have done a lot to help GMK to improve to re-formula the mixture.
Participating in your GB and tombery's is depending on everyone's choice,but we have no right to interfere with others choice . AS well, i appreciate your feel on not-so -good remarks on markup on skidata. but that doesn't ignore your great work on skidata.
Ofcouse , i thank you very much for putting forward the potential risk and believe tombery could figure it out.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 23 June 2016, 00:26:41
those fake carbon made me feel much better after I missed the skidata.
because if I got the skidata so many keycaps would get wasted to made it look like carbon.
I need the carbon to heal me right now because I'm so much pain form Skidata markup </3
now, if I paid 300$ I can get 2 sets of GMK Carbon instead of Skidata base set and color pack and no keycap would get wasted as well.
Thanks for made it happen <3
I honestly don't think you got the right idea. Carbon with the custom colour MOQ might make it more expensive than Skidata, and there's no way you will be getting "two sets" for the price of one, as SKIDATA+ was originally priced at cost (during the GB).
I'm posting with the intents of stopping misinformation from happening, so I will be objective with what I have to say.
Also, I want to point out, custom colours may seem like a good idea for the sake of having a custom colour, but it will potentially be more risky to run due to the custom plastic compound mixture, which might not be as robust as the standard GMK colours which have undergone extensive testing and reformulation to prevent lightbleed and other issues.
I wish GMK Carbon success and have every intent as a GMK fan of wanting to see it succeed, but I must to point out that Skidata colours are literally the same as the mockups posted (90% or higher match), and that going with a custom GMK compound might end up becoming complete disaster.
Even if the orange wasn't so similarly matching, is there really a market or need for another Orange set?
Once again:
1) If you insist on using a custom colour, you have to understand the downsides of it.
The colour is not extensively tested by GMK and may have issues.
Some issues being lightbleed and swirls on the plastic:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/z2YIFuU.jpg)
Do you really want something that will turn out like that? Going with a custom colour will potentially look like that. It would be absolutely garbage.
2) If you do not go with a custom colour, then you literally have the same colours as Skidata+.
I don't think it's worthwhile to make such a similar set, as you can already find a used beige set and pair it up with Skidata+.
Just my thoughts on the options. Either way, I don't think enough research has been done by the OP, and your options aren't great. In fact, it is a really bad idea to go with custom colours, but if you go with the standard orange, then you will literally have Skidata+.
Just wanted to share my experience from all the research I have conducted, and hope this helps.
Thanks for the input.
We will point out with GMK the importance of no lightbleeding. Even if we go for custom colors. Afaik GMK has reformulated every plastic color they have. Also GMK introduced new colors.
But either way if we go with available GMK colors, i dont think GMK Carbon is literally Skidata+. It has different colorway. It looks different.
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 23 June 2016, 11:32:12
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 23 June 2016, 11:35:47
I just want people to be aware that this set is partially redundant and given the amount of GMK interest checks and current GMK group buys it may be better to rethink what exactly you want to accomplish with this set. Carbon already exists as SA , does it really need it's own GMK set?
Post by: Gengarfan on Thu, 23 June 2016, 11:40:25
And I don't mean to discredit your set. I think the color way is awesome. When I put it together on my board it looked great.
I just want people to be aware that this set is partially redundant and given the amount of GMK interest checks and current GMK group buys it may be better to rethink what exactly you want to accomplish with this set. Carbon already exists as SA , does it really need it's own GMK set?
While the set is fairly similar to Skidata in some ways, that doesn't mean this set can't or shouldn't be made. Same goes for if the set is already in SA. CLEARLY there is interest in this set in gmk so if you want it, but it. If you don't want it, don't buy it. There is absolutely no reason to come in here leave negative comments.
Post by: Butter on Thu, 23 June 2016, 11:47:19
And I don't mean to discredit your set. I think the color way is awesome. When I put it together on my board it looked great.
I just want people to be aware that this set is partially redundant and given the amount of GMK interest checks and current GMK group buys it may be better to rethink what exactly you want to accomplish with this set. Carbon already exists as SA , does it really need it's own GMK set?
I don't like SA so having it made in GMK will be a dream come true.
Post by: Rafa_n on Thu, 23 June 2016, 11:52:15
And I don't mean to discredit your set. I think the color way is awesome. When I put it together on my board it looked great.
I just want people to be aware that this set is partially redundant and given the amount of GMK interest checks and current GMK group buys it may be better to rethink what exactly you want to accomplish with this set. Carbon already exists as SA , does it really need it's own GMK set?
what do you mean by redundant?
the picture that you posted has like $300 worth of key cap sets , with skidata base ($145), color pack ($68), and let's say that some beige alphas would cost about $90.
carbon is going to cost ~$150
Post by: nugglets on Thu, 23 June 2016, 11:58:23
And I don't mean to discredit your set. I think the color way is awesome. When I put it together on my board it looked great.
I just want people to be aware that this set is partially redundant and given the amount of GMK interest checks and current GMK group buys it may be better to rethink what exactly you want to accomplish with this set. Carbon already exists as SA , does it really need it's own GMK set?
what do you mean by redundant?
the picture that you posted has like $300 worth of key cap sets , with skidata base ($145), color pack ($68), and let's say that some beige alphas would cost about $90.
carbon is going to cost ~$150
And about 100 keys you would never use if you just wanted the Carbon look which, obviously, many of us do.
I'm not really into paying an extra $100+ for keys I won't use.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 23 June 2016, 12:15:40
As far as I can tell, the set was very well received by the community, has been finalized (with loads of suggestion of the community taken in consideration) and seems to already be planned to go on MD.
Idk what peoples intentions might be, but from an outside perspective it seems like pure bashing on a successful project.
You can say you don't mean to discredit the set, but honestly thats what it feels like to me since I can't actually see any other purpose of doing so.
The comparison of Skidata and Carbon also seems rather random to me personally since as far as Im aware, Skidata doesn't even remotely have the same colored alphas as Carbon (or am I missing something here?).
The argumentation, Skidata + orange Modpack combined with GMK Beige alphas creates something similar to Carbon to me also seems lacking at best.
Would you also argue if you take the word Skidata rearrange the letters, take some away and add a few others its Carbon?!
You could argue the same way that combining Olivetti, Dolch, Dolch Color Pack some Cyan and Purple creates something remotely similar to Hyperfuse,
so Hyperfuse redundant right?
Even if you manage to put something together similar enough to be happy with, you still end up missing novelty (rather important to Carbon imo), different legends and potentially different colors.
If people don't see the need to get involved in a gb because they feel like they can already create something similar from their sets thats perfectly fine, but don't try to discredit a set because you personally don't see the need of owning one.
I see Carbon SA as an iconic set that very much deserves to be made in GMK.
Post by: blighty on Thu, 23 June 2016, 12:16:41
Post by: Vadurr on Thu, 23 June 2016, 13:03:30
Post by: Karura on Thu, 23 June 2016, 14:01:21
I specifically said that as a GMK fan, I definitely would love to see more sets happen, and wanted to offer my knowledge on potential flaws with custom colours.
Regardless, there's no doubt that colourwise (if you neglect legend styles), it is already possible to create this set with pre-existing keys and have a close colour match, but it is really up to the end user to decide on what they want to buy - this is really irrelevant to my post earlier, as I was focusing on the potential light bleed issues associated with custom colour mixtures.
Once again, I'm only posting to help, and hope that the production results will be great, as opposed to absolutely garbage when Triumph Adler was made.
Of course people are free to choose what they want to buy, and it is similar to Skidata, but my intentions are just to inform the OP about possible flaws with custom colours.
Just happy to discuss and offer my thoughts on GMK production and QC.
Post by: nugglets on Thu, 23 June 2016, 14:38:08
Quote
In fact, it is a really bad idea to go with custom colours, but if you go with the standard orange, then you will literally have Skidata+.
Quote
2) If you do not go with a custom colour, then you literally have the same colours as Skidata+.
I don't think it's worthwhile to make such a similar set, as you can already find a used beige set and pair it up with Skidata+.
You basically said don't make custom colors (it is a really bad idea) but if you don't go custom colors you have a set that was already made.
Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is that saying if not that the set shouldn't be made? Because you actually did say that it's not "worthwhile" to do so.
Not trying to argue, here, but those are your own words.
Post by: Karura on Thu, 23 June 2016, 15:09:32
QuoteIn fact, it is a really bad idea to go with custom colours, but if you go with the standard orange, then you will literally have Skidata+.Quote2) If you do not go with a custom colour, then you literally have the same colours as Skidata+.
I don't think it's worthwhile to make such a similar set, as you can already find a used beige set and pair it up with Skidata+.
You basically said don't make custom colors (it is a really bad idea) but if you don't go custom colors you have a set that was already made.
Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is that saying if not that the set shouldn't be made? Because you actually did say that it's not "worthwhile" to do so.
Not trying to argue, here, but those are your own words.
It's extremely difficult to run a GMK GB successfully and if it is possible to find a set that satisfies your needs already, then I would personally not go the length of a fully custom set. I am not against the above, but absolutely want to remind everyone that it isn't a short term or simple task.
Personally I'm just like OP and wanted to create my own custom set, which ended up being more work than I ever imagined, so I understand this better than anyone else.
It is more or less a personal sentiment on the responsibilities that come with it, and not a remark on OP's abilities. Then again, maybe it didn't need to be said. I know better than anyone the extent of responsibilities required to run a good GB, and that will require quite a bit of time and personal sacrifice of the OP to do so.
That said, I do fully support the production of this set so if he is committed enough, I don't see why it will be an issue.
It's just my personal thoughts on the topic, not really a statement to discourage anyone. In fact, I've said it many times that I wish GMK Carbon success and am sorry to see it being misinterpreted.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 23 June 2016, 16:21:07
QuoteIn fact, it is a really bad idea to go with custom colours, but if you go with the standard orange, then you will literally have Skidata+.Quote2) If you do not go with a custom colour, then you literally have the same colours as Skidata+.
I don't think it's worthwhile to make such a similar set, as you can already find a used beige set and pair it up with Skidata+.
You basically said don't make custom colors (it is a really bad idea) but if you don't go custom colors you have a set that was already made.
Forgive my ignorance, but what exactly is that saying if not that the set shouldn't be made? Because you actually did say that it's not "worthwhile" to do so.
Not trying to argue, here, but those are your own words.
It's extremely difficult to run a GMK GB successfully and if it is possible to find a set that satisfies your needs already, then I would personally not go the length of a fully custom set. I am not against the above, but absolutely want to remind everyone that it isn't a short term or simple task.
Personally I'm just like OP and wanted to create my own custom set, which ended up being more work than I ever imagined, so I understand this better than anyone else.
It is more or less a personal sentiment on the responsibilities that come with it, and not a remark on OP's abilities. Then again, maybe it didn't need to be said. I know better than anyone the extent of responsibilities required to run a good GB, and that will require quite a bit of time and personal sacrifice of the OP to do so.
That said, I do fully support the production of this set so if he is committed enough, I don't see why it will be an issue.
It's just my personal thoughts on the topic, not really a statement to discourage anyone. In fact, I've said it many times that I wish GMK Carbon success and am sorry to see it being misinterpreted.
Hey,
i share your concerns about the custom colors. I wrote already an detailed EMail to Christoph regarding the possible lightbleed. Yanbo will also speak with Christoph the next comming week. I think we will find a solution for it. This is in interesst of everyone (GMK, me, Massdrop and the buyers) that GMK Carbon has to be a flawless keyset. In the worst case scenario we can backup and take the original GMK colors. I hope this will not go that far.
By the way, you did far more then me in running SKIDATA+. As you know GMK Carbon will run through Massdrop, so i have never experienced the real headeck of a GB like you. In this regard you deserve the respect and i am happy i did participated in your GB.
And I don't mean to discredit your set. I think the color way is awesome. When I put it together on my board it looked great.Yes it needs it's own GMK set. There is a demand for it.
I just want people to be aware that this set is partially redundant and given the amount of GMK interest checks and current GMK group buys it may be better to rethink what exactly you want to accomplish with this set. Carbon already exists as SA , does it really need it's own GMK set?
Wanna teach us about redundant things, or dictate us which keyset is allowed to be made?
Its disturbing to me, seeing how people suddenly seem to develop the need to bash on Carbon GMK tbh.
As far as I can tell, the set was very well received by the community, has been finalized (with loads of suggestion of the community taken in consideration) and seems to already be planned to go on MD.
Idk what peoples intentions might be, but from an outside perspective it seems like pure bashing on a successful project.
You can say you don't mean to discredit the set, but honestly thats what it feels like to me since I can't actually see any other purpose of doing so.
The comparison of Skidata and Carbon also seems rather random to me personally since as far as Im aware, Skidata doesn't even remotely have the same colored alphas as Carbon (or am I missing something here?).
The argumentation, Skidata + orange Modpack combined with GMK Beige alphas creates something similar to Carbon to me also seems lacking at best.
Would you also argue if you take the word Skidata rearrange the letters, take some away and add a few others its Carbon?!
You could argue the same way that combining Olivetti, Dolch, Dolch Color Pack some Cyan and Purple creates something remotely similar to Hyperfuse,
so Hyperfuse redundant right?
Even if you manage to put something together similar enough to be happy with, you still end up missing novelty (rather important to Carbon imo), different legends and potentially different colors.
If people don't see the need to get involved in a gb because they feel like they can already create something similar from their sets thats perfectly fine, but don't try to discredit a set because you personally don't see the need of owning one.
I see Carbon SA as an iconic set that very much deserves to be made in GMK.
Well said! I couldn't say/write up it better. :thumb:
Post by: need on Fri, 24 June 2016, 08:11:01
Who do you think you are compared to Tombery?
Post by: jediofthecode on Wed, 29 June 2016, 10:31:26
You do you homie!
Post by: VereChi on Sun, 03 July 2016, 09:08:35
Can't wait to place orders on massdrop this month!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 03 July 2016, 11:56:49
Is there any updates about the progress?
Can't wait to place orders on massdrop this month!
The drop will start probably the week after next :)
Post by: lawnzie on Sun, 03 July 2016, 12:13:29
Is there any updates about the progress?
Can't wait to place orders on massdrop this month!
The drop will start probably the week after next :)
how long will it go on for?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 03 July 2016, 14:16:15
how long will it go on for?
Like all other Massdrop drops, GMK Carbon will be purchazable for two weeks.
Keep in mind there will be two drops: One for the base kit and second for its novelties.
Post by: _joe_king on Sun, 03 July 2016, 14:34:38
Is there any updates about the progress?
Can't wait to place orders on massdrop this month!
The drop will start probably the week after next :)
Soooo excited!
Post by: codywanks on Sun, 03 July 2016, 15:12:08
Keep in mind there will be two drops: One for the base kit and second for its novelties.
2 separate drops? Doesn't that mean paying double shipping?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 03 July 2016, 15:38:52
2 separate drops? Doesn't that mean paying double shipping?
My thoughts. It's logical if you purchase both base kit and novelties you have to pay shipping once. I'll speak to Massdrop about that. I am sure we'll find a solution for this.
Post by: shower_king on Sun, 03 July 2016, 19:57:21
any price drop if the base kit reach 250 even 500?
Post by: hkf on Sun, 03 July 2016, 21:40:00
2 separate drops? Doesn't that mean paying double shipping?
My thoughts. It's logical if you purchase both base kit and novelties you have to pay shipping once. I'll speak to Massdrop about that. I am sure we'll find a solution for this.
AFAIK GMK Royal Alpha's mod kits were ran like separate drops in terms of MOQ but were baked into one 'drop' per se, so you would be dinged only once for shipping.
Post by: johuu on Mon, 04 July 2016, 01:53:19
2 separate drops? Doesn't that mean paying double shipping?
My thoughts. It's logical if you purchase both base kit and novelties you have to pay shipping once. I'll speak to Massdrop about that. I am sure we'll find a solution for this.
Does this mean that EU purchaser need to pay customs even when they are produced in Germany?
Post by: Rafa_n on Mon, 04 July 2016, 06:21:39
2 separate drops? Doesn't that mean paying double shipping?
My thoughts. It's logical if you purchase both base kit and novelties you have to pay shipping once. I'll speak to Massdrop about that. I am sure we'll find a solution for this.
Does this mean that EU purchaser need to pay customs even when they are produced in Germany?
yes, I think so :(
Post by: stoic-lemon on Mon, 04 July 2016, 06:32:00
Post by: s3vv4 on Fri, 08 July 2016, 04:51:51
2 separate drops? Doesn't that mean paying double shipping?
My thoughts. It's logical if you purchase both base kit and novelties you have to pay shipping once. I'll speak to Massdrop about that. I am sure we'll find a solution for this.
Does this mean that EU purchaser need to pay customs even when they are produced in Germany?
That has always been the case, if GMK sold inside Germany directly the 19% MwSt. would just be included, so it doesn't really matter.
Except for shipping and if you exceed 150 euro, which would add 2% I think.
Post by: Zorox on Fri, 08 July 2016, 05:52:05
P/S: will this drop be separated like the GMK Royal: Alphas + mods + novelties or it will be devided only to base set + novelties?
Post by: Diokhan on Fri, 08 July 2016, 05:58:55
2 separate drops? Doesn't that mean paying double shipping?
My thoughts. It's logical if you purchase both base kit and novelties you have to pay shipping once. I'll speak to Massdrop about that. I am sure we'll find a solution for this.
Does this mean that EU purchaser need to pay customs even when they are produced in Germany?
That has always been the case, if GMK sold inside Germany directly the 19% MwSt. would just be included, so it doesn't really matter.
Except for shipping and if you exceed 150 euro, which would add 2% I think.
150 euro order will become 200 after tax + handling and everything..
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 08 July 2016, 07:53:04
GMK received Carbon SA keys from me and they've send them to their plastic supplier for color matching. As soon as they get the first probes with new plastic they'll send those probes also to me for approval. I will check those probes also for lightbleeding. I hope we'll make it in the first try. So there is still some work to do.
Since i got my Skidata+ (thanks again to Karura for organizing this GB) i'd like to share with you some fotos with color comparisson between Skiadata+ and Carbon.
(http://i.imgur.com/4T8cnUl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/4hjYDMQ.jpg)
As you can see, there are shade diffrences. Skidata+ (new V2 color) has a very well balanced orange, where Carbon orange is more darker shade. Also the gray colors deffers too. Carbon grey is lighter than Skidata+. However keep in mind there to many factors like Camera, Monitor etc. which makes it impossible to deliver a color correct picture to you. You can compare them properly first if you see those in person. Also you can make only a subjective opinion, since every person sees the things differently and has its own taste for things.
By the way i also got new renders from Christoph for approval. I have checked them so far and there is nothing missing. Keep in mind the colors in renders are off from Carbon real colors, but its enough to provide you the otherview.
GMK Carbon base kit
(http://i.imgur.com/DpjOQ6T.png)
Novelties (note the lambda :) )
(http://i.imgur.com/4bWIXPi.png)
looking forward to this.I cant promise any price drops right now because its up to massdrop. I think probably there will be a pricedrop at 500 moq, but as i said i do not promise this. Take it as rumor.
any price drop if the base kit reach 250 even 500?
Does this mean that EU purchaser need to pay customs even when they are produced in Germany?Its sounds quite weird but it is so. The vendor is US based so its shipped first to US and then back to europe. Hope GMK can open someday their own store for us europeans.
Post by: Data on Fri, 08 July 2016, 08:17:06
Post by: The AlbinoDino on Fri, 08 July 2016, 08:30:02
Sorry if this was already answered but why no original carbon novelty set?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 08 July 2016, 09:17:52
OK, I didn't know GMK could do custom legends like that. Is that a new feature?Oh its quite a while since GMK offers custom legends. I think Valentine keyset has offered first custom legend (heart). I got a dream making Yuri with doubleshot cyrillics manufactured by GMK, but with an approximate cost of 250~300$ per custom legend i can keep just dreaming. Now you can count how much new custom legends would cost for GMK Carbon. And still the approximate price will be 70~90$. Quite high but there is a reason for that price tag.
Sorry if this was already answered but why no original carbon novelty set?Some people do not like the benzene with two atomic bounds. The Carbon periodic table sign does match only centered alignment and thats not the case here. However as you can see there is still the graphene enter included. The warning signs bring more variety and you can put on number or faunction row. With inverted warning sings it makes even more sense. Overall these Novelties are the better solution for delivering Carbon flair. For some people its the Novelties who makes Carbon for them. Hope you understand my decisions.
Post by: Anakey on Fri, 08 July 2016, 12:54:02
Sorry if this was already answered but why no original carbon novelty set?Some people do not like the benzene with two atomic bounds. The Carbon periodic table sign does match only centered alignment and thats not the case here. However as you can see there is still the graphene enter included. The warning signs bring more variety and you can put on number or faunction row. With inverted warning sings it makes even more sense. Overall these Novelties are the better solution for delivering Carbon flair. For some people its the Novelties who makes Carbon for them. Hope you understand my decisions.
Will the novelty kit from the Carbon SA still retain the cyclohexane keys from the first round? Or will it be just the warning signs kit like with the GMK? If it is going to be changed then looks like i will need to find the old style ones from somewhare.
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 08 July 2016, 13:22:31
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 08 July 2016, 13:22:46
Will the novelty kit from the Carbon SA still retain the cyclohexane keys from the first round? Or will it be just the warning signs kit like with the GMK? If it is going to be changed then looks like i will need to find the old style ones from somewhare.Next Carbon SA round will retain cyclohexane key. It's just for GMK Carbon i had to exclude it, because it would also require several new molds (1u, 1.25u and 1.5u).
Post by: derpingit on Fri, 08 July 2016, 13:34:55
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 08 July 2016, 13:42:26
do we have an ETA yet?If everything goes well, the drop for GMK Carbon will start the upcoming monday.
Post by: loud_asian on Fri, 08 July 2016, 14:00:28
do we have an ETA yet?If everything goes well, the drop for GMK Carbon will start the upcoming monday.
neat
Post by: Zorox on Sat, 09 July 2016, 02:05:12
Just want to add that although the keycaps are produced in Germany, GMK doesn't charge VAT when shipping to US; if they were sold in EU, then VAT would be applied, which I think is around 20%.
If the order costs more than 150€ we have to pay the 19% VAT + 17,5% Import tax, which is a pain in the a$$ :( And when GMK ships the order to US, the vendor have to pay VAT+Import tax at US which is not reclaimable when they ship single orders out of US again (As I assume the vendor wouldnt reclaim for every single private shipping). Those costs applied directly on international order. That's why it would be nice if GMK could split shipping to a proxy in German (cost about 20€ for a whole bunch of order) so that all European buyers wont have to pay taxes twice :)
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sat, 09 July 2016, 10:56:15
Just want to add that although the keycaps are produced in Germany, GMK doesn't charge VAT when shipping to US; if they were sold in EU, then VAT would be applied, which I think is around 20%.
If the order costs more than 150€ we have to pay the 19% VAT + 17,5% Import tax, which is a pain in the a$$ :( And when GMK ships the order to US, the vendor have to pay VAT+Import tax at US which is not reclaimable when they ship single orders out of US again (As I assume the vendor wouldnt reclaim for every single private shipping). Those costs applied directly on international order. That's why it would be nice if GMK could split shipping to a proxy in German (cost about 20€ for a whole bunch of order) so that all European buyers wont have to pay taxes twice :)
Massdrop would have to have a facility in Germany to have that happen and as of now their closest facility is in NJ, USA.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 09 July 2016, 13:42:06
If the order costs more than 150€ we have to pay the 19% VAT + 17,5% Import tax, which is a pain in the a$$ :( And when GMK ships the order to US, the vendor have to pay VAT+Import tax at US which is not reclaimable when they ship single orders out of US again (As I assume the vendor wouldnt reclaim for every single private shipping). Those costs applied directly on international order. That's why it would be nice if GMK could split shipping to a proxy in German (cost about 20€ for a whole bunch of order) so that all European buyers wont have to pay taxes twice :)Probably base kit costs far less than 150 euros (for GMK standards). Same for the novelties. I cant tell more right now, so wait until drops start and i hope you will be surprized in a good way.
Post by: Zorox on Sat, 09 July 2016, 17:31:40
Just want to add that although the keycaps are produced in Germany, GMK doesn't charge VAT when shipping to US; if they were sold in EU, then VAT would be applied, which I think is around 20%.
If the order costs more than 150€ we have to pay the 19% VAT + 17,5% Import tax, which is a pain in the a$$ :( And when GMK ships the order to US, the vendor have to pay VAT+Import tax at US which is not reclaimable when they ship single orders out of US again (As I assume the vendor wouldnt reclaim for every single private shipping). Those costs applied directly on international order. That's why it would be nice if GMK could split shipping to a proxy in German (cost about 20€ for a whole bunch of order) so that all European buyers wont have to pay taxes twice :)
Massdrop would have to have a facility in Germany to have that happen and as of now their closest facility is in NJ, USA.
I received all my MD orders from their Germany-located facility (the address was shown on the package), and all the taxes are still applied. :(
If the order costs more than 150€ we have to pay the 19% VAT + 17,5% Import tax, which is a pain in the a$$ :( And when GMK ships the order to US, the vendor have to pay VAT+Import tax at US which is not reclaimable when they ship single orders out of US again (As I assume the vendor wouldnt reclaim for every single private shipping). Those costs applied directly on international order. That's why it would be nice if GMK could split shipping to a proxy in German (cost about 20€ for a whole bunch of order) so that all European buyers wont have to pay taxes twice :)Probably base kit costs far less than 150 euros (for GMK standards). Same for the novelties. I cant tell more right now, so wait until drops start and i hope you will be surprized in a good way.
Yeah I hope that the price would be a very nice suprise :D :thumb:
Post by: alveeno on Sat, 09 July 2016, 22:58:03
Post by: kkwapnioski on Sun, 10 July 2016, 00:11:05
Hopefully this means I can buy 3 sets instead of 2? My wallet is prepared...If the order costs more than 150€ we have to pay the 19% VAT + 17,5% Import tax, which is a pain in the a$$ :( And when GMK ships the order to US, the vendor have to pay VAT+Import tax at US which is not reclaimable when they ship single orders out of US again (As I assume the vendor wouldnt reclaim for every single private shipping). Those costs applied directly on international order. That's why it would be nice if GMK could split shipping to a proxy in German (cost about 20€ for a whole bunch of order) so that all European buyers wont have to pay taxes twice :)Probably base kit costs far less than 150 euros (for GMK standards). Same for the novelties. I cant tell more right now, so wait until drops start and i hope you will be surprized in a good way.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 10 July 2016, 03:51:28
Is there any way you could get the icon mods? I'd be all over those.Only Icon mods is not possible. Keep in mind you will not be able to mix it with skidata since the color shades are different. Also Carbon has all 3 custom colors, which means there is no other gmk set with the same colors for mixing. However you can always mix alphas or modifiers completely.
Keep in mind i have nothing promised so far. I saw only the previews. The cost may change. So i hope they stay as i have seen them. If they stay, then with all the extras, the custom colors and new custom legends this is going to be very affordable keyset.Hopefully this means I can buy 3 sets instead of 2? My wallet is prepared...If the order costs more than 150€ we have to pay the 19% VAT + 17,5% Import tax, which is a pain in the a$$ :( And when GMK ships the order to US, the vendor have to pay VAT+Import tax at US which is not reclaimable when they ship single orders out of US again (As I assume the vendor wouldnt reclaim for every single private shipping). Those costs applied directly on international order. That's why it would be nice if GMK could split shipping to a proxy in German (cost about 20€ for a whole bunch of order) so that all European buyers wont have to pay taxes twice :)Probably base kit costs far less than 150 euros (for GMK standards). Same for the novelties. I cant tell more right now, so wait until drops start and i hope you will be surprized in a good way.
Post by: Rafa_n on Mon, 11 July 2016, 08:07:48
Post by: codywanks on Mon, 11 July 2016, 08:30:07
TODAY?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-carbon-custom-keycap-set?mode=guest_open
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-carbon-novelty-keycap-set?mode=guest_open
Post by: ideus on Mon, 11 July 2016, 08:49:39
Post by: audax989 on Mon, 11 July 2016, 08:49:56
TODAY?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-carbon-custom-keycap-set?mode=guest_open
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-carbon-novelty-keycap-set?mode=guest_open
It's here!
Post by: rioc on Mon, 11 July 2016, 08:53:21
Post by: inosint on Mon, 11 July 2016, 09:19:08
Thanks for getting this together Tomb3ry
Post by: tauhudame on Mon, 11 July 2016, 10:25:52
Post by: Incredigasmic on Mon, 11 July 2016, 10:31:37
GMK SkiMonkey+
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Post by: Zorox on Mon, 11 July 2016, 11:02:09
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 11 July 2016, 11:03:01
Why 2 set have to split to separate package? We have to x2 shipping.
yeah, why two drops and not add-ons with their own MOQs?
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 11 July 2016, 11:30:30
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 11 July 2016, 11:40:41
mockups and render do not match -- not only in terms of colour, but legends as well. I assume the mockup is the accurate one?Exactly. The mockup is the correct one. The renders were done before. This is why you see windows keys in renders and Code keys in Mockup.
Because Massdrops system does not support several moq in one drop. Our main goal is the base kit. The novelties are just nice to have. At beginning i was against Novelties but with this pricing we give them a chance. If Novelties do not hit their moq they will not hit, just like that. Merging two drops would be far more complicated. Anyway i will talk to Yanbo regarding shipping cost, hope he gives an insightful explanation for it or a solution. Keep in mind things like costs and shipping are really not up to me.Why 2 set have to split to separate package? We have to x2 shipping.
yeah, why two drops and not add-ons with their own MOQs?
Post by: Malenky on Mon, 11 July 2016, 11:49:30
Post by: Anakey on Mon, 11 July 2016, 12:04:41
Post by: ideus on Mon, 11 July 2016, 12:18:53
I will just be waiting a year or possibly longer with the 3500+ others on MD who have requested the SA profile. Its a shame that SP is limited in their workload that means only a limited number of SA sets can be run during the year
I really cannot see how this remark is relevant for this group buy.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 11 July 2016, 12:27:19
I will just be waiting a year or possibly longer with the 3500+ others on MD who have requested the SA profile. Its a shame that SP is limited in their workload that means only a limited number of SA sets can be run during the yearHey i would love to run another Carbon SA drop this year. However there are also other Designers with awesome designs in the SA pipeline. Also making Carbon in Cherry profile gives a room to breathe for Signature Plastics and last but not least its an opportunity for people who like Carbon but not SA profile. There are things which are just not up to me to decide... Saying this Carbon SA will probably happen next Year maybe even later. I dont know. Keep in mind there is also Yuri which i want to make real.
Post by: tauhudame on Mon, 11 July 2016, 13:05:18
Why 2 set have to split to separate package? We have to x2 shipping.
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yeah, why two drops and not add-ons with their own MOQs?
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Because Massdrops system does not support several moq in one drop. Our main goal is the base kit. The novelties are just nice to have. At beginning i was against Novelties but with this pricing we give them a chance. If Novelties do not hit their moq they will not hit, just like that. Merging two drops would be far more complicated. Anyway i will talk to Yanbo regarding shipping cost, hope he gives an insightful explanation for it or a solution. Keep in mind things like costs and shipping are really not up to me.
Just wonder and dont understand for issue in case 2 drops merging together, many set with many kits included have been merged or combined like that what still can have separate kit with MOQ/each require also. It will be easy for us when 2 drops can merge what we can manage/keep tracking the shipping also. :))
Got a reply from Yanbo. The shipping are calculated by the weight and only by the weight. So if they combine shipping costs it would change nothing... I hope this gives you insightfull explanation.
Yes, thanks for your helping & trying :thumb:
Post by: kenmai9 on Mon, 11 July 2016, 13:24:18
Post by: Vadurr on Mon, 11 July 2016, 13:35:49
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 11 July 2016, 13:53:01
Thats pretty good for a redundant keyset :))
Post by: nugglets on Mon, 11 July 2016, 14:05:44
Post by: o3okevin on Mon, 11 July 2016, 14:05:47
We did it! Over 250 sets. Thanks everyone. :thumb:
Thats pretty good for a redundant keyset :))
That was an amazingly fast buy, congrats!
Post by: WOMBO on Mon, 11 July 2016, 14:53:31
Post by: nugglets on Mon, 11 July 2016, 15:11:13
shoutouts to the mysterious man who put in over 115 orders in one go
lol... That's just what happens when there are so many people "committed" to the lowest price point. Once it hits the number required, all those orders get added to the total at once.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 11 July 2016, 15:14:11
shoutouts to the mysterious man who put in over 115 orders in one goI mean i saw a "COMMIT AT 115$" button. Which means you will automaticaly commit if the price drops that low. Am i wrong? If i am wrong than lets cheer to our friends from far east ;)
Post by: kenmai9 on Mon, 11 July 2016, 15:26:34
shoutouts to the mysterious man who put in over 115 orders in one goI mean i saw a "COMMIT AT 115$" button. Which means you will automaticaly commit if the price drops that low. Am i wrong? If i am wrong than lets cheer to our friends from far east ;)
this is correct.
once x (number of committers) + current orders = MOQ (250?) then itll jump to the last pricing.
yay good job geeks
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 11 July 2016, 15:46:25
Post by: Diokhan on Mon, 11 July 2016, 16:47:26
Was it ever decided if this was going to use the custom colors or not?Would like to know this as well
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 11 July 2016, 16:55:36
Was it ever decided if this was going to use the custom colors or not?Would like to know this as well
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Yes this set has all 3 custom colors. GMK already received the original Carbon SA keys from me and send them to their plastic supplier for matching the color. The exact colors is not guaranteed but they will try their best to match it as good as possible. I'll receive also the first probes of the new plastic colors for approval.
Post by: Pliny on Mon, 11 July 2016, 19:19:30
Post by: kenmai9 on Mon, 11 July 2016, 19:32:28
hmu i'll buy them
edit: novelty, not mod set
Post by: ideus on Mon, 11 July 2016, 19:41:11
anyone getting the mod set but dont want the shift keys!?
hmu i'll buy them
At this price you should get your own full set.
Post by: kenmai9 on Mon, 11 July 2016, 19:42:36
anyone getting the mod set but dont want the shift keys!?
hmu i'll buy them
At this price you should get your own full set.
im talking about the extra novelty keys.. and no im not going to pay 50+ for two shift keys and a bunch of novelty keys im not going to use
Post by: ideus on Mon, 11 July 2016, 19:47:04
anyone getting the mod set but dont want the shift keys!?
hmu i'll buy them
At this price you should get your own full set.
im talking about the extra novelty keys.. and no im not going to pay 50+ for two shift keys and a bunch of novelty keys im not going to use
I got it now, you wrote mod set originally, but you meant novelty set, ok. I mapped your language to the actual set terminology.
Post by: kenmai9 on Mon, 11 July 2016, 19:50:58
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Post by: Tobi45 on Mon, 11 July 2016, 20:07:49
Post by: Malenky on Mon, 11 July 2016, 20:12:21
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 12 July 2016, 00:03:52
We are getting closer. :)
Currently it seems quite likely that this drop will reach 500 participants, will there be another pricedrop if that happens? It'd be pretty awesome if this drop reached 99$ or something :)
Dont know but i would love it. Its up to Massdrop actually. Anyway keep in mind it is already a great price for all the options/extras and custom colors. Just try to find atleast dolch for that price :)
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 12 July 2016, 00:07:23
Missing 73 participants for unlocking the lowest price for Novelties. Note the green bar (purchased) and the darker gray (commited) bar, you have to look at the progress bar of the drop. The commited is those people who'd like to participate at lowest price. If the sum of purchased and commited reaches 250 it should unlock lowest price.
We are getting closer. :)Currently it seems quite likely that this drop will reach 500 participants, will there be another pricedrop if that happens? It'd be pretty awesome if this drop reached 99$ or something :)
Dont know but i would love it. Its up to Massdrop actually. Anyway keep in mind it is already a great price for all the options/extras and custom colors. Just try to find atleast dolch for that price :)
Did you ever receive samples of the custom color keys?
Post by: nugglets on Tue, 12 July 2016, 01:04:04
Was it ever decided if this was going to use the custom colors or not?Would like to know this as well
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Yes this set has all 3 custom colors. GMK already received the original Carbon SA keys from me and send them to their plastic supplier for matching the color. The exact colors is not guaranteed but they will try their best to match it as good as possible. I'll receive also the first probes of the new plastic colors for approval.
(http://rs684.pbsrc.com/albums/vv203/Soyerz/mr_burns.jpg~c200)
Post by: rioc on Tue, 12 July 2016, 01:05:17
Saying this Carbon SA will probably happen next Year maybe even later. I dont know. Keep in mind there is also Yuri which i want to make real.
is Carbon DSA a possibility? how about that?
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 12 July 2016, 01:06:16
anyone getting the mod set but dont want the shift keys!?
hmu i'll buy them
At this price you should get your own full set.
im talking about the extra novelty keys.. and no im not going to pay 50+ for two shift keys and a bunch of novelty keys im not going to use
There aren't any shift keys in the novelty set. The long keys are enter. I suppose that they are the same size as left shift, but the profile is wrong
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 12 July 2016, 10:26:57
Did you ever receive samples of the custom color keys?As i said previously, i'll get the custom color samples for approval as soon as GMK receives it from its plastic supplier.
If SP doubles the thickness of DSA profile i might think about it :) No really i like DSA profile but its a little bit to thin for my taste. If it were thick and also sculpted that would be just rad.Saying this Carbon SA will probably happen next Year maybe even later. I dont know. Keep in mind there is also Yuri which i want to make real.is Carbon DSA a possibility? how about that?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 12 July 2016, 11:37:32
105.99$ PER SET AT 500 MOQ
AND DONT FORGET TO GET NOVELTIES :p 66 COMMITS LEFT TO UNLOCK THE LOWEST PRICE
Post by: Tobi45 on Tue, 12 July 2016, 12:47:10
Dont know but i would love it. Its up to Massdrop actually. Anyway keep in mind it is already a great price for all the options/extras and custom colors. Just try to find atleast dolch for that price :)Never said the price wasn't good, but 105$ is even better ;). Great job on this one man, congrats on the great selling numbers, although now I wish there was an international kit. Pretty sure we could've got like 50 sold. That's still not MoQ, but maybe GMK would've shown some mercy when the basekit sold so well. Anyway, thanks for your hard work, appreciate it :)
Post by: Vadurr on Tue, 12 July 2016, 12:55:54
Post by: kenmai9 on Tue, 12 July 2016, 13:16:43
Post by: brighenne on Tue, 12 July 2016, 13:21:02
so did we get charged yet? if we have been, do they deduct it or refund the extra?
I believe they place a hold but then they just charge whatever the price is at the end.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 12 July 2016, 13:23:50
so did we get charged yet? if we have been, do they deduct it or refund the extra?Nope they will charge you first when drop ends. They will charge only the lowest price which has been reached during the drop. So dont worry :)
Post by: maximm on Tue, 12 July 2016, 14:47:20
Post by: SevenU on Tue, 12 July 2016, 17:37:39
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Post by: shower_king on Tue, 12 July 2016, 20:06:47
I remember some GMK keys having problems with light leakage. Are these caps going to have the same problem or have they fixed problem?
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Light leakage arise due to many factors.
1,old moulds,but this won't happen to GMK carbon and GMK skidata organized by karura and other new GMK GBs except for Triumph Adler which is produced using old moulds, the old moulds will cause light leakage. Now the current GMK GBs are produced by new moulds. Perhaps GMK would plan to improve current new moulds to improve light leakage less, i don't know the exact and definite result.
2,the mix formula for two color materials to double-shot for keys may vary in ratio. Different ratio in mix formula may cause light leakage. Taking the skidata as an example, karura and his team have worked hard and labouriously to improve the mix formula used in skidata. they improve a lot in avoiding light leakage. i am definitely sure tombery will be aware of that and figure out with GMK.
3,Choosing different color materials may cause light leakage to varying extent. Take skidata as an good example, the V2 orange(could be found in GMK color card) chosen in skidata is much better than the V2 orange inGMK charred orange set. Though they are both called V2 orange , V2 orange in skidata is better in avoid light leakage than V2 orange in charred orange. i think these V2 orange materials used in skidata and charred orange is ditinguished different. All this would great attribute to karura and his team to earnest hard work and penatrating sight to choose the right V2 orange material to avoid light leakage.
Briefly speaking, 1, won't happen to current GMK carbon. 2 and 3 , i think tombery would choose the right color and material to avoid light leakage and make GMK carbon show the vivid and charming orange as SA carbon .
Post by: shower_king on Tue, 12 July 2016, 20:49:33
IT only means color materials chosen and different mixture in proportion in production. However, worn-out old mould causing light leakage is anther thing.
Just my opinion
Post by: ideus on Tue, 12 July 2016, 22:58:10
AND WE GOT ANOTHER DROPPOINT AVAILABLE THANKS TO YANBO!!!
105.99$ PER SET AT 500 MOQ
AND DONT FORGET TO GET NOVELTIES :p 66 COMMITS LEFT TO UNLOCK THE LOWEST PRICE
Congratulations on the success of your design.
Post by: Proyoyo on Tue, 12 July 2016, 23:21:59
Post by: shower_king on Tue, 12 July 2016, 23:46:29
Hoping that the Novelty set would reach the lowest price point :thumb:
i definitely believe Novelty set would hit that , it just took less 2 days before it reach there, it has 12 days to go
Post by: Willyc277 on Wed, 13 July 2016, 05:11:56
those fake carbon made me feel much better after I missed the skidata.
because if I got the skidata so many keycaps would get wasted to made it look like carbon.
I need the carbon to heal me right now because I'm so much pain form Skidata markup </3
now, if I paid 300$ I can get 2 sets of GMK Carbon instead of Skidata base set and color pack and no keycap would get wasted as well.
Thanks for made it happen <3
I honestly don't think you got the right idea. Carbon with the custom colour MOQ might make it more expensive than Skidata, and there's no way you will be getting "two sets" for the price of one, as SKIDATA+ was originally priced at cost (during the GB).
I'm posting with the intents of stopping misinformation from happening, so I will be objective with what I have to say.
Also, I want to point out, custom colours may seem like a good idea for the sake of having a custom colour, but it will potentially be more risky to run due to the custom plastic compound mixture, which might not be as robust as the standard GMK colours which have undergone extensive testing and reformulation to prevent lightbleed and other issues.
I wish GMK Carbon success and have every intent as a GMK fan of wanting to see it succeed, but I must to point out that Skidata colours are literally the same as the mockups posted (90% or higher match), and that going with a custom GMK compound might end up becoming complete disaster.
Even if the orange wasn't so similarly matching, is there really a market or need for another Orange set?
Once again:
1) If you insist on using a custom colour, you have to understand the downsides of it.
The colour is not extensively tested by GMK and may have issues.
Some issues being lightbleed and swirls on the plastic:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/z2YIFuU.jpg)
Do you really want something that will turn out like that? Going with a custom colour will potentially look like that. It would be absolutely garbage.
2) If you do not go with a custom colour, then you literally have the same colours as Skidata+.
I don't think it's worthwhile to make such a similar set, as you can already find a used beige set and pair it up with Skidata+.
Just my thoughts on the options. Either way, I don't think enough research has been done by the OP, and your options aren't great. In fact, it is a really bad idea to go with custom colours, but if you go with the standard orange, then you will literally have Skidata+.
Just wanted to share my experience from all the research I have conducted, and hope this helps.
Just wanted to remind everyone not to get too excited, as this this set may be complete garbage, and more expensive than skamdata.
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Post by: ntw on Wed, 13 July 2016, 05:49:39
Post by: GiveCandyy on Wed, 13 July 2016, 05:55:18
I have been missing out on the discussion of this so if anyone can let me know if GMK Carbon is using custom colors?yes it is custom iirc. T0mb3ry sent original carbon caps to gmk for color matching as well. :thumb:
Post by: rioc on Wed, 13 July 2016, 06:06:24
no possibility to have them packed into the same box?
Post by: mathilda on Wed, 13 July 2016, 06:57:05
Post by: GiveCandyy on Wed, 13 July 2016, 07:48:40
Still cannot understand why MD didn't group base and novelties kit into a single drop
would've been so much better, making the novelties optional in a single drop.
I would be laughing my ass off if massdrop charged shipping for both and then proceeded to ship them together in one package. :))
Post by: kenmai9 on Wed, 13 July 2016, 11:46:45
those fake carbon made me feel much better after I missed the skidata.
because if I got the skidata so many keycaps would get wasted to made it look like carbon.
I need the carbon to heal me right now because I'm so much pain form Skidata markup </3
now, if I paid 300$ I can get 2 sets of GMK Carbon instead of Skidata base set and color pack and no keycap would get wasted as well.
Thanks for made it happen <3
I honestly don't think you got the right idea. Carbon with the custom colour MOQ might make it more expensive than Skidata, and there's no way you will be getting "two sets" for the price of one, as SKIDATA+ was originally priced at cost (during the GB).
I'm posting with the intents of stopping misinformation from happening, so I will be objective with what I have to say.
Also, I want to point out, custom colours may seem like a good idea for the sake of having a custom colour, but it will potentially be more risky to run due to the custom plastic compound mixture, which might not be as robust as the standard GMK colours which have undergone extensive testing and reformulation to prevent lightbleed and other issues.
I wish GMK Carbon success and have every intent as a GMK fan of wanting to see it succeed, but I must to point out that Skidata colours are literally the same as the mockups posted (90% or higher match), and that going with a custom GMK compound might end up becoming complete disaster.
Even if the orange wasn't so similarly matching, is there really a market or need for another Orange set?
Once again:
1) If you insist on using a custom colour, you have to understand the downsides of it.
The colour is not extensively tested by GMK and may have issues.
Some issues being lightbleed and swirls on the plastic:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/z2YIFuU.jpg)
Do you really want something that will turn out like that? Going with a custom colour will potentially look like that. It would be absolutely garbage.
2) If you do not go with a custom colour, then you literally have the same colours as Skidata+.
I don't think it's worthwhile to make such a similar set, as you can already find a used beige set and pair it up with Skidata+.
Just my thoughts on the options. Either way, I don't think enough research has been done by the OP, and your options aren't great. In fact, it is a really bad idea to go with custom colours, but if you go with the standard orange, then you will literally have Skidata+.
Just wanted to share my experience from all the research I have conducted, and hope this helps.
Just wanted to remind everyone not to get too excited, as this this set may be complete garbage, and more expensive than skamdata.
...
how is it gonna be more expensive?
tbh i dont care about light bleed, because i think backlighting is tacky anyways. what other issues are there?
Post by: Willyc277 on Wed, 13 July 2016, 15:45:52
those fake carbon made me feel much better after I missed the skidata.
because if I got the skidata so many keycaps would get wasted to made it look like carbon.
I need the carbon to heal me right now because I'm so much pain form Skidata markup </3
now, if I paid 300$ I can get 2 sets of GMK Carbon instead of Skidata base set and color pack and no keycap would get wasted as well.
Thanks for made it happen <3
I honestly don't think you got the right idea. Carbon with the custom colour MOQ might make it more expensive than Skidata, and there's no way you will be getting "two sets" for the price of one, as SKIDATA+ was originally priced at cost (during the GB).
I'm posting with the intents of stopping misinformation from happening, so I will be objective with what I have to say.
Also, I want to point out, custom colours may seem like a good idea for the sake of having a custom colour, but it will potentially be more risky to run due to the custom plastic compound mixture, which might not be as robust as the standard GMK colours which have undergone extensive testing and reformulation to prevent lightbleed and other issues.
I wish GMK Carbon success and have every intent as a GMK fan of wanting to see it succeed, but I must to point out that Skidata colours are literally the same as the mockups posted (90% or higher match), and that going with a custom GMK compound might end up becoming complete disaster.
Even if the orange wasn't so similarly matching, is there really a market or need for another Orange set?
Once again:
1) If you insist on using a custom colour, you have to understand the downsides of it.
The colour is not extensively tested by GMK and may have issues.
Some issues being lightbleed and swirls on the plastic:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/z2YIFuU.jpg)
Do you really want something that will turn out like that? Going with a custom colour will potentially look like that. It would be absolutely garbage.
2) If you do not go with a custom colour, then you literally have the same colours as Skidata+.
I don't think it's worthwhile to make such a similar set, as you can already find a used beige set and pair it up with Skidata+.
Just my thoughts on the options. Either way, I don't think enough research has been done by the OP, and your options aren't great. In fact, it is a really bad idea to go with custom colours, but if you go with the standard orange, then you will literally have Skidata+.
Just wanted to share my experience from all the research I have conducted, and hope this helps.
Just wanted to remind everyone not to get too excited, as this this set may be complete garbage, and more expensive than skamdata.
...
how is it gonna be more expensive?
tbh i dont care about light bleed, because i think backlighting is tacky anyways. what other issues are there?
WOOOOOSHHHHHH
Post by: kenmai9 on Wed, 13 July 2016, 16:17:22
those fake carbon made me feel much better after I missed the skidata.
because if I got the skidata so many keycaps would get wasted to made it look like carbon.
I need the carbon to heal me right now because I'm so much pain form Skidata markup </3
now, if I paid 300$ I can get 2 sets of GMK Carbon instead of Skidata base set and color pack and no keycap would get wasted as well.
Thanks for made it happen <3
I honestly don't think you got the right idea. Carbon with the custom colour MOQ might make it more expensive than Skidata, and there's no way you will be getting "two sets" for the price of one, as SKIDATA+ was originally priced at cost (during the GB).
I'm posting with the intents of stopping misinformation from happening, so I will be objective with what I have to say.
Also, I want to point out, custom colours may seem like a good idea for the sake of having a custom colour, but it will potentially be more risky to run due to the custom plastic compound mixture, which might not be as robust as the standard GMK colours which have undergone extensive testing and reformulation to prevent lightbleed and other issues.
I wish GMK Carbon success and have every intent as a GMK fan of wanting to see it succeed, but I must to point out that Skidata colours are literally the same as the mockups posted (90% or higher match), and that going with a custom GMK compound might end up becoming complete disaster.
Even if the orange wasn't so similarly matching, is there really a market or need for another Orange set?
Once again:
1) If you insist on using a custom colour, you have to understand the downsides of it.
The colour is not extensively tested by GMK and may have issues.
Some issues being lightbleed and swirls on the plastic:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/z2YIFuU.jpg)
Do you really want something that will turn out like that? Going with a custom colour will potentially look like that. It would be absolutely garbage.
2) If you do not go with a custom colour, then you literally have the same colours as Skidata+.
I don't think it's worthwhile to make such a similar set, as you can already find a used beige set and pair it up with Skidata+.
Just my thoughts on the options. Either way, I don't think enough research has been done by the OP, and your options aren't great. In fact, it is a really bad idea to go with custom colours, but if you go with the standard orange, then you will literally have Skidata+.
Just wanted to share my experience from all the research I have conducted, and hope this helps.
Just wanted to remind everyone not to get too excited, as this this set may be complete garbage, and more expensive than skamdata.
...
how is it gonna be more expensive?
tbh i dont care about light bleed, because i think backlighting is tacky anyways. what other issues are there?
WOOOOOSHHHHHH
WOW GOOD JOKE BRO HARLARIOUS
Post by: kenlee on Wed, 13 July 2016, 18:00:24
Post by: ideus on Wed, 13 July 2016, 18:36:50
i think base kits will achieve 1K+ plus china's orders, so will it have another drop at 1K?
Hopefully; but, unlikely.
Post by: oatmicro on Thu, 14 July 2016, 09:42:45
those fake carbon made me feel much better after I missed the skidata.
because if I got the skidata so many keycaps would get wasted to made it look like carbon.
I need the carbon to heal me right now because I'm so much pain form Skidata markup </3
now, if I paid 300$ I can get 2 sets of GMK Carbon instead of Skidata base set and color pack and no keycap would get wasted as well.
Thanks for made it happen <3
I honestly don't think you got the right idea. Carbon with the custom colour MOQ might make it more expensive than Skidata, and there's no way you will be getting "two sets" for the price of one, as SKIDATA+ was originally priced at cost (during the GB).
I'm posting with the intents of stopping misinformation from happening, so I will be objective with what I have to say.
Also, I want to point out, custom colours may seem like a good idea for the sake of having a custom colour, but it will potentially be more risky to run due to the custom plastic compound mixture, which might not be as robust as the standard GMK colours which have undergone extensive testing and reformulation to prevent lightbleed and other issues.
I wish GMK Carbon success and have every intent as a GMK fan of wanting to see it succeed, but I must to point out that Skidata colours are literally the same as the mockups posted (90% or higher match), and that going with a custom GMK compound might end up becoming complete disaster.
Even if the orange wasn't so similarly matching, is there really a market or need for another Orange set?
Once again:
1) If you insist on using a custom colour, you have to understand the downsides of it.
The colour is not extensively tested by GMK and may have issues.
Some issues being lightbleed and swirls on the plastic:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/z2YIFuU.jpg)
Do you really want something that will turn out like that? Going with a custom colour will potentially look like that. It would be absolutely garbage.
2) If you do not go with a custom colour, then you literally have the same colours as Skidata+.
I don't think it's worthwhile to make such a similar set, as you can already find a used beige set and pair it up with Skidata+.
Just my thoughts on the options. Either way, I don't think enough research has been done by the OP, and your options aren't great. In fact, it is a really bad idea to go with custom colours, but if you go with the standard orange, then you will literally have Skidata+.
Just wanted to share my experience from all the research I have conducted, and hope this helps.
Just wanted to remind everyone not to get too excited, as this this set may be complete garbage, and more expensive than skamdata.
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there's no way you will be getting "two sets" for the price of one
ิbecause you would get 3 sets for that price
He's god damn right :eek:
Post by: nugglets on Thu, 14 July 2016, 12:22:43
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 14 July 2016, 12:31:25
Novelties tipped at $49.99 :thumb:Yep the lowest price for Novelties has been unlocked. Damn thats something special for GMK keyset :)
Post by: WOMBO on Thu, 14 July 2016, 13:04:01
Post by: Jedi on Thu, 14 July 2016, 13:16:45
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 14 July 2016, 14:09:25
surprisingly (unsurprisingly?) one of the cheapest gmk sets for the base kit and on par with several with the novelties - congrats t0mb3ry
Fantastic work T0mb3ry, love everything about the way you work. AND the novelties unlocked. This is just awesome man. Really great job! :thumb:
Thanks guys! But its not only about my work. So i'd like to thank everyone who gave me constructive feedback during IC phase. There is still some work to do for GMK Carbon. But we'll succeed, like we've succeeded before.
Cheers!
(http://media0.giphy.com/media/GCLlQnV7wzKLu/giphy.gif)
Post by: kenmai9 on Thu, 14 July 2016, 14:24:15
Post by: shower_king on Thu, 14 July 2016, 21:38:55
Post by: Willyc277 on Sun, 17 July 2016, 17:00:20
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 17 July 2016, 17:06:01
have joined in this carbon party. congratulationsThank you buddy :)
Just noticed that the estimated ship date is October 10th, going to be a great set for Halloween!!Then it's gonna be a good Halloween. A carbonated one :)
Post by: VereChi on Sun, 17 July 2016, 23:05:18
China have tons of orders and they will place order in the last hour.
Post by: ntw on Mon, 18 July 2016, 01:46:04
but anyway, joined!!
Post by: nugglets on Mon, 18 July 2016, 02:55:14
Will we have a price unlock at 1000?
China have tons of orders and they will place order in the last hour.
They usually negotiate new drop points once they have confirmed orders of that amount, at least from what I've seen in previous drops that added unlock points.
So if possible, it would be better for the China orders to be placed with enough time to allow this to happen I think.
I could be totally wrong, too, but again that seems to be how it's worked in the past.
Post by: need on Mon, 18 July 2016, 09:41:17
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 18 July 2016, 09:54:29
Post by: WOMBO on Mon, 18 July 2016, 09:56:25
Post by: ideus on Mon, 18 July 2016, 10:14:19
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 18 July 2016, 15:19:49
I got only few hours time to get some feedback. So i make it quick.
There will be Ergodox addon in a few days.
(http://i.imgur.com/D9w3KWm.jpg)
The upper cluster is not up to discussion since its logical. That i'd like to hear is opinion on the tumb cluster. I've chosen row2 because its the most even/angleless row in cherry profile. So if you'd like to suggest another row then just reply with explanation.
Post by: WOMBO on Mon, 18 July 2016, 16:18:53
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 18 July 2016, 16:24:17
I suspect row 3 would work as well - it's slightly lower which might be more comfortable?
Then they are going to be lower than 2u key which is row 2. Though there is 2 key for row 3 but it has crazy angle.
Post by: WOMBO on Mon, 18 July 2016, 16:28:24
might end up being popular even among non-ergodox users considering the 6 carbon 2u keys =p
Post by: tofgerl on Mon, 18 July 2016, 17:01:36
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 18 July 2016, 17:45:05
Thanks everyone.
Post by: Jedi on Mon, 18 July 2016, 18:29:42
Fantastic work T0mb3ry, seriously you never stop. :thumb:
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 18 July 2016, 20:55:07
Compared to the heft of the other keycaps, these are just 2 keycaps that change so much for many people
Post by: ctrlX on Tue, 19 July 2016, 01:02:50
Post by: misconceit on Tue, 19 July 2016, 06:47:44
Post by: WOMBO on Tue, 19 July 2016, 08:03:44
How many 2u keys do you need, though...? If you don't have an ergodox, I mean. And I don't.planck and preonic users will want them!
Post by: kkwapnioski on Tue, 19 July 2016, 23:05:08
Post by: tmk1207 on Wed, 20 July 2016, 01:53:16
Post by: ctrlX on Wed, 20 July 2016, 05:41:53
Nice! Another price point was added for the novelties. Come on 500!Good stuff! Might order it now 😀
Post by: tofgerl on Wed, 20 July 2016, 05:54:17
Post by: priyadi on Wed, 20 July 2016, 09:21:46
Post by: ndakota79 on Wed, 20 July 2016, 09:38:41
I was disappointed by every single caps I buyed till today.
The thick PBT dyesubed caps from Ducky (green & cream) were warped and the edges had to be smoothed out with a nail file.
The thick PBT double shot caps from Vortex via Massdrop had feelable lettering, despite beeing double shot. Not precisely produced.
The PBTs of my new Pok3r do have some warping going on and the lettering is somewhat feelable. They also do have this pin on top from production. And some of the edges had to be smoothed out with nail file. Im also guessing, the lettering won't hold forever.
The stock Ducky Shine 3 ABS caps have this coating, that feels strange to me.
Post by: Gatix on Wed, 20 July 2016, 09:47:14
Post by: romevi on Wed, 20 July 2016, 09:48:27
How is the quality of the caps?
I was disappointed by every single caps I buyed till today.
The thick PBT dyesubed caps from Ducky (green & cream) were warped and the edges had to be smoothed out with a nail file.
The thick PBT double shot caps from Vortex via Massdrop had feelable lettering, despite beeing double shot. Not precisely produced.
The PBTs of my new Pok3r do have some warping going on and the lettering is somewhat feelable. They also do have this pin on top from production. And some of the edges had to be smoothed out with nail file. Im also guessing, the lettering won't hold forever.
The stock Ducky Shine 3 ABS caps have this coating, that feels strange to me.
They're made in Germany. Since you're also aus Deutschland, I'll let you be the judge on that. ;)
Post by: ideus on Wed, 20 July 2016, 10:03:46
How is the quality of the caps?
I was disappointed by every single caps I buyed till today.
The thick PBT dyesubed caps from Ducky (green & cream) were warped and the edges had to be smoothed out with a nail file.
The thick PBT double shot caps from Vortex via Massdrop had feelable lettering, despite beeing double shot. Not precisely produced.
The PBTs of my new Pok3r do have some warping going on and the lettering is somewhat feelable. They also do have this pin on top from production. And some of the edges had to be smoothed out with nail file. Im also guessing, the lettering won't hold forever.
The stock Ducky Shine 3 ABS caps have this coating, that feels strange to me.
Under the risk to oversimplify the explanation, the short answer for your question is this, what you have tried are key caps in the lower echelon of quality in terms of thickness and profile. The following partial list is what it is generally accepted as the relative quality of some of the most common key cap sets; however, there is a great extend of controversy on this:
OG Cherry PBT dye sub legends.
OG Cherry ABS double shot legends.
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BSP PBT dye sub legends.
GMK ABS double shot (Like GMK Carbon).
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Gateron PBT dye sub legends.
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Vortex thick PBT dye sub legeds in Cherry profile.
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All the above are Cherry profile.
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SP SA double shot
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SP DSA double shot
SP DCS double shot
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SP DSA PBT dye sub legends (Warped key caps)
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Tai Hao and Vortex double shots PBT or ABS OEM profile
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Most OEM pad printed and laser engraved ABS sets.
Besides quality, OG Cherry and BSP made key cap sets are only available in standard layouts, that do not match some custom ones like HHKB for example, that is an advantage of new sets like Carbon.
Post by: ndlu2 on Wed, 20 July 2016, 10:57:06
Post by: ndakota79 on Wed, 20 July 2016, 13:12:58
Under the risk to oversimplify the explanation, the short answer for your question is this, what you have tried are key caps in the lower echelon of quality in terms of thickness and profile.
Alright, thats enough for me to join the drop :)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 20 July 2016, 16:48:50
Also its possible there will be key injection (homing bars key). Again i do not promise. If this is going to be the case, then do not expect significant price drop at 1000 moq, since those extra keys cost money.
Also do not expect any other extensions. ErgoDox was an exception since the popularity of ergodox is growing. As you can see it will most probably tip and i got no doubt about it. So it was a good decision, Though very risky at that drop stage.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 20 July 2016, 17:33:09
There will be probably an price unlock at 1000. Its not up to me so i do not promise.
Also its possible there will be key injection (homing bars key). Again i do not promise. If this is going to be the case, then do not expect significant price drop at 1000 moq, since those extra keys cost money.
Also do not expect any other extensions. ErgoDox was an exception since the popularity of ergodox is growing. As you can see it will most probably tip and i got no doubt about it. So it was a good decision, Though very risky at that drop stage.
Getting the set price for the main set under the psychological barrier of one hundred will make this set epic, now with Ergodox coverage and its own set of novelties, well, no keyboard aficionado would want to be left out of this buy.
Post by: robotmaxtron on Wed, 20 July 2016, 18:36:50
woo! Time to start shopping for Ergodox parts I guess.
Post by: ndakota79 on Wed, 20 July 2016, 20:16:40
I noticed some people having difficulties with wrong side mounted cherry switches (like the Pok3r has) and cherry profile keycaps. See this thread here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82577.0
There also are known problems with Keyboards with backlighting and cherry profile caps.
If i can't use these nice GMK Caps with either my Ducky or my Pok3r, that would be bad …
Can anyone confirm the problems?
Post by: hkf on Wed, 20 July 2016, 21:05:05
Alright, I guess I'm running into a problem here.
I noticed some people having difficulties with wrong side mounted cherry switches (like the Pok3r has) and cherry profile keycaps. See this thread here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82577.0
There also are known problems with Keyboards with backlighting and cherry profile caps.
If i can't use these nice GMK Caps with either my Ducky or my Pok3r, that would be bad …
Can anyone confirm the problems?
Cherry profile all but requires 1.8mm LEDs to allow sufficient clearance.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 20 July 2016, 22:22:49
Alright, I guess I'm running into a problem here.
I noticed some people having difficulties with wrong side mounted cherry switches (like the Pok3r has) and cherry profile keycaps. See this thread here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82577.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82577.0)
There also are known problems with Keyboards with backlighting and cherry profile caps.
If i can't use these nice GMK Caps with either my Ducky or my Pok3r, that would be bad …
Can anyone confirm the problems?
I had a Poker X, the original one, and I used an OG Cherry set on it with no issues at all, it had the usual LEDs in the Caps Lock, under the space bar and somewhere else I do not remember and they produce no interference with the key caps. I do not know about the issues with the Pok3r, but I cannot imagine how the same standard MX switches may cause issues with some key caps. I also installed regular in switch LEDs in a few switches on one of my Nerd60 PCB that I always use with OG Cherry sets with no issues, either.
You should contact one of the fellows that reported the issue and ask for specifics; but, again, if that were the case there should be all the people having issues with their boards and Cherry key caps, not just a few, actually, this is the first time I heard about this kind of problem.
In any case, if you buy the set and then have any issues with your boards there will be always people looking to buy it at the classifieds, so there is no risk at all, at least I do not see a problem with no solution, but that is just me, it is up to you. I do not want to convince anyone to get a set.
Post by: ndakota79 on Thu, 21 July 2016, 09:19:01
Worst case would be, that I had to buy a new keyboard just to use them properly ...
Back to the problem, people seem to contradict one another. I opened a Thread specific for the compatibility issues: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83570.0
Some say they didn't ever notice problems, others claim that thicker caps with lower profile do indeed cause problems. Maybe it's just not noticeable enough for everyone to register, especially with clicky switches? On the other hand this would effect many keyboards, so more people should have noticed?
Post by: kenlee on Thu, 21 July 2016, 09:36:49
Well, I WANT those keycaps, problems or not :p It's just time for me to test some with really good quality.
Worst case would be, that I had to buy a new keyboard just to use them properly ...
Back to the problem, people seem to contradict one another. I opened a Thread specific for the compatibility issues: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83570.0
Some say they didn't ever notice problems, others claim that thicker caps with lower profile do indeed cause problems. Maybe it's just not noticeable enough for everyone to register, especially with clicky switches? On the other hand this would effect many keyboards, so more people should have noticed?
more you read more you confused
Others' saying is always saying
Just buy and use it that will be your real feeling.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 21 July 2016, 09:43:59
Well, I WANT those keycaps, problems or not :p It's just time for me to test some with really good quality.
Worst case would be, that I had to buy a new keyboard just to use them properly ...
Back to the problem, people seem to contradict one another. I opened a Thread specific for the compatibility issues: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83570.0
Some say they didn't ever notice problems, others claim that thicker caps with lower profile do indeed cause problems. Maybe it's just not noticeable enough for everyone to register, especially with clicky switches? On the other hand this would effect many keyboards, so more people should have noticed?
The best you can do is just get a set and try it by yourself on your own boards, the information you are getting is contradictory because each case is different from the other and they are different from yours, they use a myriad of different switches with or without LEDs and the most important, in this case, they use different types of "Cherry" profile caps from different vendors, some are PBT, some ABS double shots, coming from different molds, so they are not the same.
Post by: ndakota79 on Thu, 21 July 2016, 10:24:47
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 21 July 2016, 10:52:16
The alpha's in the renders just look so beautiful
Post by: Rayoui on Thu, 21 July 2016, 11:28:58
Well, I WANT those keycaps, problems or not :p It's just time for me to test some with really good quality.
Worst case would be, that I had to buy a new keyboard just to use them properly ...
Back to the problem, people seem to contradict one another. I opened a Thread specific for the compatibility issues: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83570.0
Some say they didn't ever notice problems, others claim that thicker caps with lower profile do indeed cause problems. Maybe it's just not noticeable enough for everyone to register, especially with clicky switches? On the other hand this would effect many keyboards, so more people should have noticed?
Even on switches that do not have LEDs, thick cherry or step sculpture keycaps will strike the switch top of a cherry switch that is mounted upside-down and change the feel of the keypress. In my experience, it has never resulted in a key that doesn't work or gets stuck, just ones that can feel soft when bottoming out. Whether or not this bothers the user (or is even noticeable) obviously varies from person to person.
You can test this if you have a keyboard with upside-down mounted cherry switches and some thick, low-profile keycaps by pressing down one of the row 1 keys (which are taller) and a row 3 key (shortest) at the same time. If the row 3 key feels like it is bottoming out softer, the keycap is striking the switch top and/or LED. I have experienced this on my Pok3r (upside-down cherry switches and no LEDs) but do not have the issue when using the same keycaps on my B.face (standard switch mounting).
Post by: ideus on Thu, 21 July 2016, 11:38:16
Post by: priyadi on Thu, 21 July 2016, 11:58:42
Also do not expect any other extensions. ErgoDox was an exception since the popularity of ergodox is growing. As you can see it will most probably tip and i got no doubt about it. So it was a good decision, Though very risky at that drop stage.
So... absolutely no chance for extra 2xR3 keys for Planck/Preonic users?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 21 July 2016, 12:04:49
Also do not expect any other extensions. ErgoDox was an exception since the popularity of ergodox is growing. As you can see it will most probably tip and i got no doubt about it. So it was a good decision, Though very risky at that drop stage.
So... absolutely no chance for extra 2xR3 keys for Planck/Preonic users?
Since the second drop point of ergodox is revealed, we cant add those two keys. But if Ergodox starts closing to 500 (which i dont believe) point i think this could be the oportunity to insert those keys. So at 500 probably.
Post by: priyadi on Thu, 21 July 2016, 12:28:50
Since the second drop point of ergodox is revealed, we cant add those two keys. But if Ergodox starts closing to 500 (which i dont believe) point i think this could be the oportunity to insert those keys. So at 500 probably.
A catch-22 maybe. Cannot support Planck/Preonic until about 500, but probably won't be able to reach 500 without the Planck/Preonic crowd. Can you let GMK/MD know about the situation? Maybe they can give you some flexibility about this. P/P support should also give some boost to the main drop too.
Sorry if I sound pushy. But we are thiiiiiiis ☞☜ close...
Post by: priyadi on Thu, 21 July 2016, 13:21:56
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 21 July 2016, 13:51:40
@T0mb3ry: How about changing 2 of the existing black R2 to R3? These are supposed to be for the thumb clusters right? Maybe ergodox users won't mind if one of the key is R3?I would rather take two grey keys from row 4 since there are enough keys. Also i think most of us would put arrow cluster and all the 1u alt, ctrl, code on row 4. So there are plenty of keys for row 4 to replace and play around with. I'll talk with Yanbo i think that would be possible.
Anyway great suggestion.
By the way, i hope you know that you cant use those graphene 2u keys from Ergodox kit for an mit planck. The thing is Cherry profile is cylindrical. Those 2u graphene keys are made for vertical placement. So if place them horizontal then it will be not that comfortable because of edges.
Post by: priyadi on Thu, 21 July 2016, 14:13:14
I would rather take two grey keys from row 4 since there are enough keys. Also i think most of us would put arrow cluster and all the 1u alt, ctrl, code on row 4. So there are plenty of keys for row 4 to replace and play around with. I'll talk with Yanbo i think that would be possible.
Anyway great suggestion.
By the way, i hope you know that you cant use those graphene 2u keys from Ergodox kit for an mit planck. The thing is Cherry profile is cylindrical. Those 2u graphene keys are made for vertical placement. So if place them horizontal then it will be not that comfortable because of edges.
Unfortunately R4 are all taken :(. P/P needs all 14 of them.
Yes, I just realized we can't use the graphene keys. If the space is impossible to obtain, then the only way is to use backspace in a pinch, but that would really sucks.
Post by: priyadi on Thu, 21 July 2016, 14:18:27
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 21 July 2016, 14:19:10
I would rather take two grey keys from row 4 since there are enough keys. Also i think most of us would put arrow cluster and all the 1u alt, ctrl, code on row 4. So there are plenty of keys for row 4 to replace and play around with. I'll talk with Yanbo i think that would be possible.
Anyway great suggestion.
By the way, i hope you know that you cant use those graphene 2u keys from Ergodox kit for an mit planck. The thing is Cherry profile is cylindrical. Those 2u graphene keys are made for vertical placement. So if place them horizontal then it will be not that comfortable because of edges.
Unfortunately R4 are all taken :(. P/P needs all 14 of them.
Yes, I just realized we can't use the graphene keys. If the space is impossible to obtain, then the only way is to use backspace in a pinch, but that would really sucks.
Ok i've talked to Yanbo and we decided against it, since there is almost 200 people in this drop. Its unfair to those people to make some changes. Sry.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 21 July 2016, 14:23:04
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xudWhGR.png)
There are some extra keys for row 3 in base set so you can use those. Though they are not blank... For the mit layout you can use 0/ins key from numpad. But making changes so late is not only dangerous but also very difficult.
Post by: priyadi on Thu, 21 July 2016, 14:35:42
Ok i've talked to Yanbo and we decided against it, since there is almost 200 people in this drop. Its unfair to those people to make some changes. Sry.
Yes I understand. Thanks for trying though. I'm a grid user so space is no problem. For R3 I have no choice but to use pgdn & KP+.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 21 July 2016, 16:50:14
Post by: brighenne on Thu, 21 July 2016, 17:02:20
Another drop point has been added (99$ at 1000) and with those you'll get homing bar keys.
Nice, I bet Khaannn is stoked.
Post by: TD22057 on Thu, 21 July 2016, 17:03:57
Another drop point has been added (99$ at 1000) and with those you'll get homing bar keys.
Fantastic!
Post by: nugglets on Thu, 21 July 2016, 17:05:30
Another drop point has been added (99$ at 1000) and with those you'll get homing bar keys.
This is pretty amazing.
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 21 July 2016, 17:12:24
Another drop point has been added (99$ at 1000) and with those you'll get homing bar keys.
Nice, I bet Khaannn is stoked.
++
Thanks T0mb3ry
These next few days is going to be pretty heated for me, trying to decide between 3 or 4 - Probably going to give 1 set to my brother, take 2 for myself, keep 1 for keycap trades
Post by: priyadi on Fri, 22 July 2016, 00:07:36
- R4U2 white
- 2xR3U1 black
- 2xR3U1 orange
- 4xR4U1 orange
If you allow me, I will try getting in touch with MD directly for this.
Post by: KHAANNN on Fri, 22 July 2016, 00:13:41
Why am I telling this? - Well, If somehow another extras pack is launched, like the one priyadi wants, it would be nice if there is a separate/individual pack for spacebars
I think these extra drops could occur later too, priyadi, you can start a md poll, it might gain interest, they might run it with T0mb3ry's permission
Post by: priyadi on Fri, 22 July 2016, 00:45:01
I think these extra drops could occur later too, priyadi, you can start a md poll, it might gain interest, they might run it with T0mb3ry's permission
Nah I don't think it would work. This is a now or never kind of situation. People who wanted Planck mod set might skipped the base set because they didn't see that possibility before. A full Planck set is too much of a niche it will be hard to reach MOQ, and people who got in the base set would get a lot of duplication and be reluctant to get in.
Besides, no GMK set has been redropped before, no? Even for SP, maybe only Jukebox has been dropped more than once. So, if a P/P set is going to appear in the future it will be for another colorset, unless a miracle happens today.
Post by: shower_king on Fri, 22 July 2016, 01:26:03
i don't want to stray from topic on carbon GB, but 1976 has r2 in SA and bunny's miami in DCS has r2 as well as coffee set r2. Perhaps Carbon in SA also re-open. ofcoure Mr jil_jil32 's commando 23 in SA will open R2 soon. They are all fabulous sets so that they could be launched more than once.I think these extra drops could occur later too, priyadi, you can start a md poll, it might gain interest, they might run it with T0mb3ry's permission
Nah I don't think it would work. This is a now or never kind of situation. People who wanted Planck mod set might skipped the base set because they didn't see that possibility before. A full Planck set is too much of a niche it will be hard to reach MOQ, and people who got in the base set would get a lot of duplication and be reluctant to get in.
Besides, no GMK set has been redropped before, no? Even for SP, maybe only Jukebox has been dropped more than once. So, if a P/P set is going to appear in the future it will be for another colorset, unless a miracle happens today.
GMK? classic beige (9009 and 1953)? Blue on white(N5 blue from China but collect no orders here and V4 blue from OTD and oblivetti with joker and hammer)? Wob(too many )? not exact quite the same, but almost same.
i am sorry to talk about this which will be off topic on carbon GB.
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Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 22 July 2016, 03:22:01
Post by: priyadi on Fri, 22 July 2016, 03:29:10
Post by: priyadi on Fri, 22 July 2016, 03:40:05
This must be the cheapest custom GMK set ever... What's the second cheapest, does anyone know?
GMK barebones stormtrooper https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82240.0
MOQ not reached yet though, and we could use some help there :p
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 22 July 2016, 04:22:00
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Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 22 July 2016, 07:52:23
Post by: tofgerl on Fri, 22 July 2016, 07:56:01
Nothing against Skeletor, but the style is not for me.
Post by: dannrawr on Fri, 22 July 2016, 09:45:43
Post by: nugglets on Fri, 22 July 2016, 12:09:58
The thought of someone liking both those sets kind of boggles my mind :)
Nothing against Skeletor, but the style is not for me.
I ordered both. They are both very different, indeed, but nothing wrong with that.
Skeletor will be going on my "loud" board with all the RGB underglow, backlighting, transparent blue z-case and painted turquoise plate.
Carbon on my work board, which is all blacks and grays.
Anyways, so great to see this be such a huge success. I have a feeling I'll be ordering a second set at this price, it's really too good to pass up.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 22 July 2016, 12:20:00
The thought of someone liking both those sets kind of boggles my mind :)
Nothing against Skeletor, but the style is not for me.
I ordered both. They are both very different, indeed, but nothing wrong with that.
Skeletor will be going on my "loud" board with all the RGB underglow, backlighting, transparent blue z-case and painted turquoise plate.
Carbon on my work board, which is all blacks and grays.
Anyways, so great to see this be such a huge success. I have a feeling I'll be ordering a second set at this price, it's really too good to pass up.
It seems that you have the best of both worlds, good for you.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 22 July 2016, 14:45:58
There will be an ISO-DE addon for GMK Carbon. Which will be organized by german community.
You will find its IC thread under following link: https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148&page=11
Post by: ndakota79 on Fri, 22 July 2016, 15:48:22
So i think we got some Germans here right?
There will be an ISO-DE addon for GMK Carbon. Which will be organized by german community.
You will find its IC thread under following link: https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148&page=11
That's nice! But for me, my boards are ANSI anyway :p
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 22 July 2016, 15:58:42
So i think we got some Germans here right?
There will be an ISO-DE addon for GMK Carbon. Which will be organized by german community.
You will find its IC thread under following link: https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148&page=11
That's nice! But for me, my boards are ANSI anyway :p
Same! I am using only ansi boards at home. However i need one ISO-DE for my work ;)
Post by: FoC_Tow on Fri, 22 July 2016, 16:13:28
So i think we got some Germans here right?
There will be an ISO-DE addon for GMK Carbon. Which will be organized by german community.
You will find its IC thread under following link: https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148&page=11
That's nice! But for me, my boards are ANSI anyway :p
Same! I am using only ansi boards at home. However i need one ISO-DE for my work ;)
ANSI only for me aswell! :)
Always good to have options tho T0mb3ry!
With so much stuff being added, I would still be super happy about one additional novelty since I need 14 + esc to cover a split backspace top row... xD
Actually considering the ergodox kit just for that one orange blank >_>
Need that Lambda in my Life... <3
Post by: FoC_Tow on Fri, 22 July 2016, 16:18:12
O_O
I'm stupid.
Since when did Lambda make the comeback?
Totally missed that somehow, your awesome T0mb3ry!
Post by: Mike89914 on Sat, 23 July 2016, 13:50:01
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 23 July 2016, 14:09:50
Post by: PQStarLord on Sat, 23 July 2016, 16:05:21
Post by: ndakota79 on Sat, 23 July 2016, 17:42:11
Heard rumors that gmk was thinking about manufacturing cheaper caps with lower quality in the future.
Post by: shangrila500 on Sat, 23 July 2016, 18:42:52
Wait... Wait...
O_O
I'm stupid.
Since when did Lambda make the comeback?
Totally missed that somehow, your awesome T0mb3ry!
It did?
Post by: shangrila500 on Sat, 23 July 2016, 18:52:49
Does anyone know for certain what size the 2 R3 keys from the novelty kit will be? I am guessing 2u but I just want to make sure...
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 23 July 2016, 18:59:01
Random question here....
Does anyone know for certain what size the 2 R3 keys from the novelty kit will be? I am guessing 2u but I just want to make sure...
I'm guessing 2.25u, since in the photos, they exceed 2x 1u keycaps
Edit: "The US ANSI “Enter” key displays graphene" so 2.25u
Post by: nugglets on Sat, 23 July 2016, 18:59:14
Random question here....
Does anyone know for certain what size the 2 R3 keys from the novelty kit will be? I am guessing 2u but I just want to make sure...
It's an enter key, so 2.25u
Post by: shangrila500 on Sat, 23 July 2016, 20:54:44
Random question here....
Does anyone know for certain what size the 2 R3 keys from the novelty kit will be? I am guessing 2u but I just want to make sure...
It's an enter key, so 2.25u
Random question here....
Does anyone know for certain what size the 2 R3 keys from the novelty kit will be? I am guessing 2u but I just want to make sure...
I'm guessing 2.25u, since in the photos, they exceed 2x 1u keycaps
Edit: "The US ANSI “Enter” key displays graphene" so 2.25u
Thanks guys!
Post by: renne on Sat, 23 July 2016, 21:22:18
Post by: ideus on Sat, 23 July 2016, 22:23:41
Is this customized colors or just V2&N9?
Custom.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 24 July 2016, 02:43:37
Hope the quality doesn't suffer :-X
Heard rumors that gmk was thinking about manufacturing cheaper caps with lower quality in the future.
Who told you this? Probably there are some people whon know more about GMK than GMK about it self.
Wait... Wait...
O_O
I'm stupid.
Since when did Lambda make the comeback?
Totally missed that somehow, your awesome T0mb3ry!
It did?
All the time, since the second update for novelties. Right after releasing the first mockup, i got several requests to bring the lambda back.
Post by: icyskyz on Sun, 24 July 2016, 13:17:23
Are we allowed to order more than 9 sets on Massdrop? I'm having a mini groupbuy among my friends but it is not allowing us to do so.
Thanks!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 24 July 2016, 13:23:09
Hi T0mb3ry!
Are we allowed to order more than 9 sets on Massdrop? I'm having a mini groupbuy among my friends but it is not allowing us to do so.
Thanks!
I've never tried to order more than 10 pieces on Massdrop but this makes sense since the shipping is weight based. Have you tried to contact MD support?
Anyway i will get in touch with Yanbo in this regard, i am sure he can help you.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sun, 24 July 2016, 13:25:37
Hi T0mb3ry!
Are we allowed to order more than 9 sets on Massdrop? I'm having a mini groupbuy among my friends but it is not allowing us to do so.
Thanks!
Just hit "add another order" above the payment options
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 24 July 2016, 13:28:14
This! Can remember doing the same during Carbon SA drop.Hi T0mb3ry!
Are we allowed to order more than 9 sets on Massdrop? I'm having a mini groupbuy among my friends but it is not allowing us to do so.
Thanks!
Just hit "add another order" above the payment options
Post by: icyskyz on Sun, 24 July 2016, 13:31:45
I've never tried to order more than 10 pieces on Massdrop but this makes sense since the shipping is weight based. Have you tried to contact MD support?
Anyway i will get in touch with Yanbo in this regard, i am sure he can help you.
Not yet, I haven't tried to place the orders until now and just found out the problem unforunately. :-X
I appreciate your help!
Just hit "add another order" above the payment options
That's what I did at the first place and everything seems fine, but the "Each person may only order 9 of this drop. You have already ordered the maximum." message will pop up if adding more than 9 orders.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sun, 24 July 2016, 13:35:10
Just hit "add another order" above the payment options
That's what I did at the first place and everything seems fine, but the "Each person may only order 9 of this drop. You have already ordered the maximum." message will pop up if adding more than 9 orders.
Strange. I wonder what the Chinese GB guys will do now.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 24 July 2016, 13:36:49
I've never tried to order more than 10 pieces on Massdrop but this makes sense since the shipping is weight based. Have you tried to contact MD support?
Anyway i will get in touch with Yanbo in this regard, i am sure he can help you.
Not yet, I haven't tried to place the orders until now and just found out the problem unforunately. :-X
I appreciate your help!Just hit "add another order" above the payment options
That's what I did at the first place and everything seems fine, but the "Each person may only order 9 of this drop. You have already ordered the maximum." message will pop up if adding more than 9 orders.
Try to reach MD support stuff. I've already messaged Yanbo but he got weekend.
Just hit "add another order" above the payment options
That's what I did at the first place and everything seems fine, but the "Each person may only order 9 of this drop. You have already ordered the maximum." message will pop up if adding more than 9 orders.
Strange. I wonder what the Chinese GB guys will do now.
Afaik they can make bulk orders since they are registered as proxis on MD.
Post by: icyskyz on Sun, 24 July 2016, 13:49:54
Try to reach MD support stuff. I've already messaged Yanbo but he got weekend.
Will do! Thanks!
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sun, 24 July 2016, 16:20:15
Thankies for making it happend T0mb3ry!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 24 July 2016, 16:30:34
In for two sets + noveltys! =)
Thankies for making it happend T0mb3ry!
I thank you for your support! I appreciate it :thumb:
Post by: SevenU on Sun, 24 July 2016, 17:55:21
Have you tried just ordering with a different account or making an order with the shipment set to a friend's address?Try to reach MD support stuff. I've already messaged Yanbo but he got weekend.
Will do! Thanks!
Post by: user 18 on Sun, 24 July 2016, 18:01:19
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 24 July 2016, 19:15:16
Just need a few more to hit the next price drop on the novelties -- hopefully we make it!
I get the feeling that people will jump on it at the last moment
Post by: shower_king on Sun, 24 July 2016, 19:22:22
Just need a few more to hit the next price drop on the novelties -- hopefully we make it!
I get the feeling that people will jump on it at the last moment
actually, the novelty set has hit the last price drop if adding the orders from a proxy of China.
i hope it would be another jump in order in last 4 or 6 hours before end
Post by: Chachal on Mon, 25 July 2016, 03:40:56
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 25 July 2016, 03:49:33
Can't decide, should I buy it or not, only 22h left...
Definitely buy, if you regret it, It should be easy to sell without loss
I just realised I can't batch the Main/Extras/Ergodox set, that's a small bummer - mainly buying the ergodox for that 2x R4 1.5 blanks
Post by: Chachal on Mon, 25 July 2016, 03:56:37
Can't decide, should I buy it or not, only 22h left...
Definitely buy, if you regret it, It should be easy to sell without loss
I know, but GMK Penumbra is coming soon :P
Post by: FoC_Tow on Mon, 25 July 2016, 03:57:11
Can't decide, should I buy it or not, only 22h left...
Definitely buy, if you regret it, It should be easy to sell without loss
I just realised I can't batch the Main/Extras/Ergodox set, that's a small bummer - mainly buying the ergodox for that 2x R4 1.5 blanks
Would you be willing to part with the orange R1 blanks by any chance KHAANNN?
Im still considering the Ergodox set aswell, with theses being the only caps I really need.
If you only need the R4 1.5s we could probably arrange something and split costs... =)
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 25 July 2016, 04:22:29
Would you be willing to part with the orange R1 blanks by any chance KHAANNN?
Im still considering the Ergodox set aswell, with theses being the only caps I really need.
If you only need the R4 1.5s we could probably arrange something and split costs... =)
Sorry, my paypal is country disabled, otherwise I would happily buy the keys you don't need so we would both be happy, I wanted 2+ 1.5 R4's anyway :( B* paypal
I'm on the edge about the extras too, but I regretted not buying all the extras many times before, so probably not going to repeat that mistake again
Currently debating how to order the sets, It would be nice to order it directly to myself with trays, pay the customs once etc. but since you can't combine drops together, I will probably batch them in US/Shipito, without trays, so they will occupy less space, but potentially become bruised
Post by: Pestik on Mon, 25 July 2016, 06:37:20
Post by: bloorocket on Mon, 25 July 2016, 06:45:02
Hopefully some soul figure out to make GMK Penumbra cherry profile soon!
Post by: Geckt on Mon, 25 July 2016, 10:36:33
Just need a few more to hit the next price drop on the novelties -- hopefully we make it!
I get the feeling that people will jump on it at the last moment
The set has already reached the top tier on all 3kits.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 25 July 2016, 10:49:15
Its not up to me, but i dont think there will be another drop point, since the price is already beyond good and evil.
Post by: repuls0r on Mon, 25 July 2016, 14:07:05
I cant read chinese but i can read the numbers probably we are over 2k : https://world.taobao.com/item/535605396642.htm#detail
Its not up to me, but i dont think there will be another drop point, since the price is already beyond good and evil.
Congrats to T0mb3ry for this fantastic group buy.
Cant wait to get it in the mail.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Mon, 25 July 2016, 16:31:17
Post by: hkf on Mon, 25 July 2016, 18:25:28
I cant read chinese but i can read the numbers probably we are over 2k : https://world.taobao.com/item/535605396642.htm#detail
Its not up to me, but i dont think there will be another drop point, since the price is already beyond good and evil.
FWIW as time of my post, there are just under 900 orders (but orders can be >1 in quantity, so its at least another 900 sets ;) )
Post by: nugglets on Mon, 25 July 2016, 18:28:18
I cant read chinese but i can read the numbers probably we are over 2k : https://world.taobao.com/item/535605396642.htm#detail
Its not up to me, but i dont think there will be another drop point, since the price is already beyond good and evil.
FWIW as time of my post, there are just under 900 orders (but orders can be >1 in quantity, so its at least another 900 sets ;) )
From what I can tell, each "item" is a separate order though, right? So the international shipping option, novelties, ergodox etc are all rolled into that number? Or is that not accurate?
Post by: hkf on Mon, 25 July 2016, 18:29:25
I cant read chinese but i can read the numbers probably we are over 2k : https://world.taobao.com/item/535605396642.htm#detail
Its not up to me, but i dont think there will be another drop point, since the price is already beyond good and evil.
FWIW as time of my post, there are just under 900 orders (but orders can be >1 in quantity, so its at least another 900 sets ;) )
From what I can tell, each "item" is a separate order though, right? So the international shipping option, novelties, ergodox etc are all rolled into that number? Or is that not accurate?
Ah yeah, it'll have to be.
Post by: Chachal on Mon, 25 July 2016, 18:43:58
Post by: SJHL on Mon, 25 July 2016, 18:55:20
Post by: WOMBO on Mon, 25 July 2016, 18:56:40
is that before china? i assume it is
Post by: Anakey on Mon, 25 July 2016, 19:07:42
Post by: Oatburner on Mon, 25 July 2016, 20:29:24
Post by: ideus on Mon, 25 July 2016, 20:30:56
holy - 1476 right now with 7h to go. most popular gmk group buy run? ever?
is that before china? i assume it is
They appear to be just the regular orders, so the China's count should be on top of that amount, and yes, it would be the largest GMK order that comes from the keyboard aficionado's market.
Post by: shower_king on Mon, 25 July 2016, 23:49:10
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 25 July 2016, 23:59:21
Base set almost 2k.
Novelties almost 1k.
Ergodox modifiers 300+ and still its a succes!
Now its not only about Carbon. Imagine Penumbra, Pulse, 1976 etc. Just do it! ;)
Post by: WOMBO on Tue, 26 July 2016, 00:57:58
Post by: diiiP on Tue, 26 July 2016, 01:05:56
So i think we got some Germans here right?
There will be an ISO-DE addon for GMK Carbon. Which will be organized by german community.
You will find its IC thread under following link: https://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=1601148&page=11
Hey T0mb3ry,
so, the ISO-DE Addon for Carbon wont be happening?
Have you thougt about checking how many orders on Massdrop are going to Germany,
and asking those if they would be interested in a 20 Keys DE Addon?
Just saying because I REALLY would like one :thumb:
Post by: SevenU on Tue, 26 July 2016, 01:22:11
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Post by: effectiveduck on Tue, 26 July 2016, 02:02:45
Post by: brighenne on Tue, 26 July 2016, 02:19:57
Post by: Pestik on Tue, 26 July 2016, 02:20:16
Also if there's ever going to be a round 2, please consider bringing back the benzene ring from the original Carbon set.
Post by: KHAANNN on Tue, 26 July 2016, 02:30:00
I think 2x blue Bluegaloo blanks near the spacebars could add a Skidata orange/blue like vibe too, Can't wait to try some combinations (Maybe a VA68M, with Carbon Orange Esc/Enter + 2x blue blanks + blue arrows)
Post by: priyadi on Tue, 26 July 2016, 06:24:15
Congrats on the drop! Soooo close to 2k.
Also if there's ever going to be a round 2, please consider bringing back the benzene ring from the original Carbon set.
This, and the isotope caps, in R4.
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 26 July 2016, 07:08:56
Lol, there are 7 requests on MD already.
20 now
(http://i.imgur.com/7HWbRMb.gif)
Post by: KHAANNN on Tue, 26 July 2016, 07:13:45
Post by: Geckt on Tue, 26 July 2016, 12:24:25
holy - 1476 right now with 7h to go. most popular gmk group buy run? ever?
is that before china? i assume it is
Probably also the most affordable set I think....
Post by: tofgerl on Tue, 26 July 2016, 13:05:43
Post by: KHAANNN on Tue, 26 July 2016, 13:18:01
I jumped off at the last minute because I already have the SA set, but I regret it now... Could have resold it if I really didn't want it after it arrived...
That's bad :(
I regret not buying 1+ of the novelties :(
Apart from the Cherry logo, they are kind of the first gmk keycaps that I know of that has graphics, would be nice to have 2 sets at least
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 26 July 2016, 13:28:25
GMK is very happy how the drop went and as a gift for the community they add missing keys for planck (two 1u row 3 and one 2u row 4) for free to the ergodox kit. So the ergodox will get 3 additional keys without price increase.
(http://i.imgur.com/oeeEcfu.png)
Thank you GMK :thumb:
Post by: KHAANNN on Tue, 26 July 2016, 13:37:50
I can kind of feel how Planck users that skipped the main sets feel, feeling that you can't gulp
I wish they would throw some 1.25 blanks in there too, for charity, my thumbs need sanded 1.25 blanks :P
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 26 July 2016, 13:55:25
Both good news and bad news that is :)
I can kind of feel how Planck users that skipped the main sets feel, feeling that you can't gulp
I wish they would throw some 1.25 blanks in there too, for charity, my thumbs need sanded 1.25 blanks :P
Yeah its kinda late since the base set is not available anymore. However you can still mix it with other sets though. Try to get those blanks in cherry profile.
And hey you got your bars already! :))
Post by: KHAANNN on Tue, 26 July 2016, 14:05:20
Yeah its kinda late since the base set is not available anymore. However you can still mix it with other sets though. Try to get those blanks in cherry profile.
And hey you got your bars already! :))
True, but my greed knows no bounds
Joke aside, it's a perfect set for me, thanks
Now design another set please ;)
Post by: ndakota79 on Tue, 26 July 2016, 14:24:37
Post by: Anakey on Tue, 26 July 2016, 16:36:16
Post by: bbrotha on Tue, 26 July 2016, 17:41:33
Post by: priyadi on Tue, 26 July 2016, 18:06:54
Ok got some news for you guys.
GMK is very happy how the drop went and as a gift for the community they add missing keys for planck (two 1u row 3 and one 2u row 4) for free to the ergodox kit. So the ergodox will get 3 additional keys without price increase.
Thank you GMK :thumb:
Thanks to you & GMK! I'm very happy about this. :thumb:
Post by: priyadi on Tue, 26 July 2016, 18:11:44
Both good news and bad news that is :)
I can kind of feel how Planck users that skipped the main sets feel, feeling that you can't gulp
I wish they would throw some 1.25 blanks in there too, for charity, my thumbs need sanded 1.25 blanks :P
I kinda considered jumping off in the last minutes but I'm really glad I stayed! Now if I actually did jump off, I don't know how I would feel now :D.
Post by: richard912 on Tue, 26 July 2016, 19:39:42
Post by: shower_king on Tue, 26 July 2016, 22:17:50
T0mb3ry, congrats on a very successful drop! I now hope that the shipment/delivery will be on time if not, earlier! October is a long time to waitBesides GB time, there are 6-8 weeks from schedualing to puting into production after paying to GMK and it would need more time about 1-2weeks for shipment. The estimated shipping time from MD is pretty fast in comparision with last and normal GMK GBs. I even have experienced a gmk gb last for more than one year with little updates. MD will give regular and timely update on MD's GB's discussion.
Maybe a high quality dyesub pbt?
In my perspective, BSPs PBT have high quality in PBTs just as GMK in ABSs. As i know, GMK just do doubleshot in ABS not in PBT in double shot or sublimation. BSP has stopped do sublimation in PBT due to some consideration on environmental protection. Other vendors current do sublimation . You would have a try other sublimation on PBT such as sherryton's GB now.
BSP's PBT also have disadvantages such as crooked stems and less lay-out compatibility.
Post by: kkwapnioski on Tue, 26 July 2016, 22:40:25
Post by: ctrlX on Wed, 27 July 2016, 02:35:03
Hopefully the massive amount of orders does not mean a decrease in quality control in hopes of just getting the set done on GMK's end.My thoughts also. Was it GMK Hyperfuse that became such a debacle?
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Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 27 July 2016, 02:52:50
Hopefully the massive amount of orders does not mean a decrease in quality control in hopes of just getting the set done on GMK's end.My thoughts also. Was it GMK Hyperfuse that became such a debacle?
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GMK TA as far as I know, but even if GMK Carbon experiences the same issues, the result wouldn't be the same, GMK TA was on the edge already
Post by: shangrila500 on Thu, 28 July 2016, 01:34:52
Hopefully the massive amount of orders does not mean a decrease in quality control in hopes of just getting the set done on GMK's end.My thoughts also. Was it GMK Hyperfuse that became such a debacle?
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GMK TA as far as I know, but even if GMK Carbon experiences the same issues, the result wouldn't be the same, GMK TA was on the edge already
What do you mean when you say it was on the edge already? Had something else happened?
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 28 July 2016, 02:55:34
What do you mean when you say it was on the edge already? Had something else happened?
It didn't have any extras (intentional), the colorscheme wasn't one that would satisfy a large group of people (this is not a fault), in my opinion these things amplified the backlash that occurred when the keycaps turned out to be less than perfect - I know keysets with far greater/real issues, yet they didn't experience the same backlash, I'm guessing because the colorschemes were more popular, there were extras, people just ignored these issues and put the caps on and moved on
I will also say that I really admire/respect T0mb3ry, and other similar gb/ic-runners too, who listen the community and improve things with the feedback (rather than seeing GB's only as a way to achieve something they want)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 29 July 2016, 14:59:27
Guten Abend meine Damen und Herren!
If i missed something please reply!
(http://i.imgur.com/jjlFIEB.png)
By the way i should get Carbon plastic samples for approval soon. I'll post pictures here as soon as i get them.
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 29 July 2016, 16:28:16
XPOST from DT
Guten Abend meine Damen und Herren!
If i missed something please reply!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jjlFIEB.png)
By the way i should get Carbon plastic samples for approval soon. I'll post pictures here as soon as i get them.
Hi Tombery,
I can only speak for ISO-UK, 5 out of 6 UK specific keys are present. The only one that is slightly off is R4 bar/backslash (it replaces the < > key on the German keyboard, right next to ISO Left shift). Maybe if you don't want to add any more keys to the kit, perhaps make the UK legends side-printed? That would be pretty neat, like Ivan's GMK Dolch set where all the UK legends are side-printed to the ANSI keys, so technically it still supports full ISO-UK without having to add the 6 additional alphas (that set only had the extra ISO-Enter, ISO Shift and the bar/backslash key next to ISO Shift)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 29 July 2016, 17:03:42
Two keys for ISO-DE has been removed since those are already available in the base set. Added missing ISO-UK key (|\).
(http://i.imgur.com/DLiP54N.png)
Hi Tombery,
I can only speak for ISO-UK, 5 out of 6 UK specific keys are present. The only one that is slightly off is R4 bar/backslash (it replaces the < > key on the German keyboard, right next to ISO Left shift). Maybe if you don't want to add any more keys to the kit, perhaps make the UK legends side-printed? That would be pretty neat, like Ivan's GMK Dolch set where all the UK legends are side-printed to the ANSI keys, so technically it still supports full ISO-UK without having to add the 6 additional alphas (that set only had the extra ISO-Enter, ISO Shift and the bar/backslash key next to ISO Shift)
Thank you :) Please check the update.
Post by: Glod on Fri, 29 July 2016, 18:24:44
Lol, there are 7 requests on MD already.
20 nowShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/7HWbRMb.gif)
Thats me, though i didnt hit request yet
I have been completely off the keyboard community grid for a several months, with some exemptions where i popped in, to save my wallet (its working), but the fact i just missed this awesome looking GMK set with ****ing ergodox modifiers, ****ing hell man that hurts, im very sad
Post by: brighenne on Fri, 29 July 2016, 20:53:19
Lol, there are 7 requests on MD already.
20 nowShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/7HWbRMb.gif)
Thats me, though i didnt hit request yet
I have been completely off the keyboard community grid for a several months, with some exemptions where i popped in, to save my wallet (its working), but the fact i just missed this awesome looking GMK set with ****ing ergodox modifiers, ****ing hell man that hurts, im very sad
Show me what you got.
Post by: Glod on Fri, 29 July 2016, 21:13:16
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Post by: loud_asian on Sat, 30 July 2016, 02:49:58
Disqualified
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PM me when it ships, I bought two
Post by: ctrlX on Sat, 30 July 2016, 03:21:10
XPOST from DTIs this kit only supposed to be UK and DE?
Guten Abend meine Damen und Herren!
If i missed something please reply!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jjlFIEB.png)
By the way i should get Carbon plastic samples for approval soon. I'll post pictures here as soon as i get them.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 30 July 2016, 03:43:18
XPOST from DTIs this kit only supposed to be UK and DE?
Guten Abend meine Damen und Herren!
If i missed something please reply!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jjlFIEB.png)
By the way i should get Carbon plastic samples for approval soon. I'll post pictures here as soon as i get them.
Yeah we (Wodan and me) are planning to make a small GB for europe. This kit will inlcude DE and UK iso. Depending on how fast we can get pricing for it, the GB may start next week probably.
Post by: ipreferpie on Sat, 30 July 2016, 04:43:22
Post by: priyadi on Sat, 30 July 2016, 05:26:08
I know this can be a stretch, but is anyone interested in running a Dvorak/Colemak kit? Not sure if that's possible if GMK has the molds
They don't have Dvorak/Colemak molds. And considering MOQ, we are still not there yet, even with Carbon.
With Jukebox, they had 843 base buyers and 23 colemak/dvorak buyers, an almost 1:37 ratio. With 1976, they had 622:22, 1:28 ratio. With Danger Zone they used flat profile (only deep dishes for D/C support) and grouped D/C with Tsangan and got 617:80 or 1:7. With Troubled Minds, they sold 355 base but D/C didn't reach MOQ.
Assuming a very optimistic 1:15 proportion and 150 MOQ, then we require at least 150 * 15 = 2250 participants. The community is simply not big enough yet. The only way I can think to have GMK D/C support is to sneak the keys into a base set, but this is going to be very unpopular.
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 30 July 2016, 05:35:40
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 30 July 2016, 08:14:20
Keys with GMK are Skidata+. Keys with Q label are the new samples. SA profile keys are Carbon SA colors.
Beige:
(http://i.imgur.com/82Pa170.jpg)
Grey:
(http://i.imgur.com/19rbZeT.jpg)
Orange:
(http://i.imgur.com/ykzCPeM.jpg)
Grey and beige are good and complement each other very well. I love that beige especially. However i couldnt see any difference between "new" orange and the already available V2 color. I've tried to find any difference under different light conditions but i couldn't. It is V2. Now the question is what to do. If i ask for darker Orange color this might delay teh production or i keep that orange color and the people who got skidata may mix and match their keys wtih carbon. Let me know your opinion. Shall we go straight for the darker orange?
Anyway one picture with all three samples together:
(http://i.imgur.com/HIYU2Mk.jpg)
There is no light bleed:
(http://i.imgur.com/hA0NqF1.jpg)
Keep in mind during the injection process, there is a possibility for a hollow space between the bars of the legend grid. Those hollow spaces may cause light bleed. So its not 100% guaranteed that there will be no light bleed. Its possible that some keys (out of 1970+ base set were sold multiply with amount of keys of a base set) may get light bleed. So we might see some but in gerneral this should be some exceptional cases.
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 30 July 2016, 08:25:19
I mean those alphas ... such beauty
The grey looks sparkling
I usually hate low contrast keycaps, but that orange on grey keycap is so surprisingly legible too
Can't describe how excited I am
As for the oranges, I personally don't have an opinion, as it is, it looks good, as a small suggestion, can you maybe put the orange keycap near the other keycaps, and just change the color dynamics of the orange keycap to the darker orange you want, so it would be easier to compare - or just go for the darker one, I would personally not care much about delays, we are going to wait months anyway
Edit: For example, in the lit photos, the GMK one looks darker than the existing oranges + I regret not going for 4 sets, I would probably run through 3 sets fast
Post by: ndakota79 on Sat, 30 July 2016, 08:34:05
And i love the beige btw :-*
Here's a photoshop, with just a bit darker and more redtones:
[attach=1]
A bit more red still:
[attach=3]
original:
[attach=2]
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 30 July 2016, 08:59:14
My eyes literally teared
I mean those alphas ... such beauty
The grey looks sparkling
I usually hate low contrast keycaps, but that orange on grey keycap is so surprisingly legible too
Can't describe how excited I am
As for the oranges, I personally don't have an opinion, as it is, it looks good, as a small suggestion, can you maybe put the orange keycap near the other keycaps, and just change the color dynamics of the orange keycap to the darker orange you want, so it would be easier to compare - or just go for the darker one, I would personally not care much about delays, we are going to wait months anyway
Edit: For example, in the lit photos, the GMK one looks darker than the existing oranges + I regret not going for 4 sets, I would probably run through 3 sets fast
Yeah light conditions make pretty significant impact. Later if you get your sets you will strugle with beige since it will "change" its color under different light conditions. But for the orange i can say that the Carbon SA Orange is just darker orange than V2. Not by large amount but its slightly darker and you can see it with a "naked eye" in person.
Just in case, somebody is qurious about all the samples i got. The foto was done in darker light conditions and i've mixed those so you can seehow the colors complement each other.
(http://i.imgur.com/K8K25dx.jpg)
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 30 July 2016, 09:12:55
Minor) Does the "s" of "Esc" seems a bit sly, I've compared it to an existing Esc, it might as well be warping from the photo angling too, just something that caught my eye
-> Suggestion: Some keycaps have slight variations like this, if it indeed exists, it might be a good idea to nudge GMK a bit, from my very limited experience, it makes a change :)
Question) Is the pipe character going to be a single line, like "|", or is it going to be 2 divided lines, like "¦", It would be nice to have "|" if it's not too late
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 30 July 2016, 09:36:23
Off topic,
Minor) Does the "s" of "Esc" seems a bit sly, I've compared it to an existing Esc, it might as well be warping from the photo angling too, just something that caught my eye
-> Suggestion: Some keycaps have slight variations like this, if it indeed exists, it might be a good idea to nudge GMK a bit, from my very limited experience, it makes a change :)
Question) Is the pipe character going to be a single line, like "|", or is it going to be 2 divided lines, like "¦", It would be nice to have "|" if it's not too late
In regard of "Esc": I think its only the sample issue. I've compared it with OG cherry and Skidata+. I will point it out for GMK.
About "|" i dont know. In GMK render it is "|". But i can talk to GMK in this regard i think that should be no problem.
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 30 July 2016, 09:44:04
Off topic,
Minor) Does the "s" of "Esc" seems a bit sly, I've compared it to an existing Esc, it might as well be warping from the photo angling too, just something that caught my eye
-> Suggestion: Some keycaps have slight variations like this, if it indeed exists, it might be a good idea to nudge GMK a bit, from my very limited experience, it makes a change :)
Question) Is the pipe character going to be a single line, like "|", or is it going to be 2 divided lines, like "¦", It would be nice to have "|" if it's not too late
In regard of "Esc": I think its only the sample issue. I've compared it with OG cherry and Skidata+. I will point it out for GMK.
About "|" i dont know. In GMK render it is "|". But i can talk to GMK in this regard i think that should be no problem.
Thanks a lot for the info, it's not a big issue, I just think "|" looks cleaner, plus "|" is the actual character that comes out in most systems, if I'm not mistaken. The Dolch colorway has both versions of the keycaps, just compared them, they both look good, the "|" version is much cleaner, not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing tho, I personally use the "|\" version
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 30 July 2016, 09:52:50
Ah sry i mixed something. Well in my renders and in GMKs renders "|" sign is used. "¦" sign is used only in ISO-UK/DE Addon. So i dont need to point it out. The renders are already the way you like it.Off topic,
Minor) Does the "s" of "Esc" seems a bit sly, I've compared it to an existing Esc, it might as well be warping from the photo angling too, just something that caught my eye
-> Suggestion: Some keycaps have slight variations like this, if it indeed exists, it might be a good idea to nudge GMK a bit, from my very limited experience, it makes a change :)
Question) Is the pipe character going to be a single line, like "|", or is it going to be 2 divided lines, like "¦", It would be nice to have "|" if it's not too late
In regard of "Esc": I think its only the sample issue. I've compared it with OG cherry and Skidata+. I will point it out for GMK.
About "|" i dont know. In GMK render it is "|". But i can talk to GMK in this regard i think that should be no problem.
Thanks a lot for the info, it's not a big issue, I just think "|" looks cleaner, plus "|" is the actual character that comes out in most systems, if I'm not mistaken. The Dolch colorway has both versions of the keycaps, just compared them, they both look good, the "|" version is much cleaner, not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing tho, I personally use the "|\" version
So basically if you want to see that you get, look at GMKs render. Though its missing homing bars :)
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 30 July 2016, 10:13:34
Got dem samples for "custom" color plastic.
Keys with GMK are Skidata+. Keys with Q label are the new samples. SA profile keys are Carbon SA colors.
Beige:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/82Pa170.jpg)
Grey:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/19rbZeT.jpg)
Orange:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ykzCPeM.jpg)
Grey and beige are good and complement each other very well. I love that beige especially. However i couldnt see any difference between "new" orange and the already available V2 color. I've tried to find any difference under different light conditions but i couldn't. It is V2. Now the question is what to do. If i ask for darker Orange color this might delay teh production or i keep that orange color and the people who got skidata may mix and match their keys wtih carbon. Let me know your opinion. Shall we go straight for the darker orange?
Anyway one picture with all three samples together:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HIYU2Mk.jpg)
There is no light bleed:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hA0NqF1.jpg)
Keep in mind during the injection process, there is a possibility for a hollow space between the bars of the legend grid. Those hollow spaces may cause light bleed. So its not 100% guaranteed that there will be no light bleed. Its possible that some keys (out of 1970+ base set were sold multiply with amount of keys of a base set) may get light bleed. So we might see some but in gerneral this should be some exceptional cases.
It's so beautiful! :eek:
As for the orange, I think the shade looks fine, should keep it. And thanks for adding the missing UK key! :thumb: When do we start throwing money at your for the ISO set?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 30 July 2016, 10:48:52
Got dem samples for "custom" color plastic.
Keys with GMK are Skidata+. Keys with Q label are the new samples. SA profile keys are Carbon SA colors.
Beige:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/82Pa170.jpg)
Grey:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/19rbZeT.jpg)
Orange:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ykzCPeM.jpg)
Grey and beige are good and complement each other very well. I love that beige especially. However i couldnt see any difference between "new" orange and the already available V2 color. I've tried to find any difference under different light conditions but i couldn't. It is V2. Now the question is what to do. If i ask for darker Orange color this might delay teh production or i keep that orange color and the people who got skidata may mix and match their keys wtih carbon. Let me know your opinion. Shall we go straight for the darker orange?
Anyway one picture with all three samples together:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HIYU2Mk.jpg)
There is no light bleed:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hA0NqF1.jpg)
Keep in mind during the injection process, there is a possibility for a hollow space between the bars of the legend grid. Those hollow spaces may cause light bleed. So its not 100% guaranteed that there will be no light bleed. Its possible that some keys (out of 1970+ base set were sold multiply with amount of keys of a base set) may get light bleed. So we might see some but in gerneral this should be some exceptional cases.
It's so beautiful! :eek:
As for the orange, I think the shade looks fine, should keep it. And thanks for adding the missing UK key! :thumb: When do we start throwing money at your for the ISO set?
I hope the upcoming week already.
Post by: Vadurr on Sat, 30 July 2016, 11:28:17
Post by: soilheart on Sat, 30 July 2016, 12:08:09
XPOST from DTIs this kit only supposed to be UK and DE?
Guten Abend meine Damen und Herren!
If i missed something please reply!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jjlFIEB.png)
By the way i should get Carbon plastic samples for approval soon. I'll post pictures here as soon as i get them.
Yeah we (Wodan and me) are planning to make a small GB for europe. This kit will inlcude DE and UK iso. Depending on how fast we can get pricing for it, the GB may start next week probably.
Me like.
I'm using Swedish layout which is kinda like German layout (see https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82542.0 for difference between DE and SE layout). So if you'd consider to add some keys to help us Swedes you would make me (and probably some other people happy).
A single "Å"-key would be a really good start and make me join the GB, and everything beyond that would be awesome (if I have counted correctly SE has 8 keys not available in ANSI or German, in which "Å" is the most important, and some keys like "2" is close enough to the UK ISO "2", etc.).
(Feel free to send me a PM if you'd like to discuss this further).
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 30 July 2016, 12:33:33
Post by: krisst on Sat, 30 July 2016, 12:45:33
As you said, might mix up with skidata, could be a good thing if some people would like to mix and match them. Again, would prefer the deeper orange.
Post by: robotmaxtron on Sat, 30 July 2016, 13:04:54
Since this set is designed from the start to be custom colour that matches the Carbon SA. I don't mind waiting if required. Prefer to get the intended product.
Completely agree. +1 to deeper orange.
Post by: ndakota79 on Sat, 30 July 2016, 13:21:22
Only you know how it looks rl T0mb3ry.
Post by: salasource on Sat, 30 July 2016, 13:55:28
XPOST from DTI'll take one instantly!
Guten Abend meine Damen und Herren!
If i missed something please reply!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jjlFIEB.png)
By the way i should get Carbon plastic samples for approval soon. I'll post pictures here as soon as i get them.
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 30 July 2016, 14:01:22
It's not that anyone is going to read modifier legends, yet when your eyes glare, they automatically adjust, and it's painful if they can't, at least it's the case for me
I have some GMK Charcoal's that suffer from this issue significantly, but I'm guessing it's partially because some of the dark base mixed into the legends in that run, let's hope they make Carbon perfect
Post by: ctrlX on Sat, 30 July 2016, 14:02:36
+1XPOST from DTIs this kit only supposed to be UK and DE?
Guten Abend meine Damen und Herren!
If i missed something please reply!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jjlFIEB.png)
By the way i should get Carbon plastic samples for approval soon. I'll post pictures here as soon as i get them.
Yeah we (Wodan and me) are planning to make a small GB for europe. This kit will inlcude DE and UK iso. Depending on how fast we can get pricing for it, the GB may start next week probably.
Me like.
I'm using Swedish layout which is kinda like German layout (see https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82542.0 for difference between DE and SE layout). So if you'd consider to add some keys to help us Swedes you would make me (and probably some other people happy).
A single "Å"-key would be a really good start and make me join the GB, and everything beyond that would be awesome (if I have counted correctly SE has 8 keys not available in ANSI or German, in which "Å" is the most important, and some keys like "2" is close enough to the UK ISO "2", etc.).
(Feel free to send me a PM if you'd like to discuss this further).
I'd buy a set if SE keys are added.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 30 July 2016, 14:31:57
Me like.
I'm using Swedish layout which is kinda like German layout (see https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82542.0 for difference between DE and SE layout). So if you'd consider to add some keys to help us Swedes you would make me (and probably some other people happy).
A single "Å"-key would be a really good start and make me join the GB, and everything beyond that would be awesome (if I have counted correctly SE has 8 keys not available in ANSI or German, in which "Å" is the most important, and some keys like "2" is close enough to the UK ISO "2", etc.).
(Feel free to send me a PM if you'd like to discuss this further).
There were already requests for swe layout....
Now this is experimental. I'll ask for pricing but i do not promise this will be included into GB. There are reasons for it. First thats already 46 keys. Thats a lot and might cost also a lot. Second reason is we dont know igf gmk has all the molds/legends available. Probably new molds will be required. Thus will sky rocket the pricing and that will be unacceptable. As i said i'll ask but its not guaranteed to be included into gb.
(http://i.imgur.com/Qr8Oppn.png)
By the way that spacy "Q" key from the samples. I thought all the time i've seen that Q somewhere and i got it. Its the "uniqey" keyboard from gmk :)
https://uniqey.net/
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 30 July 2016, 15:04:04
Me like.
I'm using Swedish layout which is kinda like German layout (see https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82542.0 for difference between DE and SE layout). So if you'd consider to add some keys to help us Swedes you would make me (and probably some other people happy).
A single "Å"-key would be a really good start and make me join the GB, and everything beyond that would be awesome (if I have counted correctly SE has 8 keys not available in ANSI or German, in which "Å" is the most important, and some keys like "2" is close enough to the UK ISO "2", etc.).
(Feel free to send me a PM if you'd like to discuss this further).
There were already requests for swe layout....
Now this is experimental. I'll ask for pricing but i do not promise this will be included into GB. There are reasons for it. First thats already 46 keys. Thats a lot and might cost also a lot. Second reason is we dont know igf gmk has all the molds/legends available. Probably new molds will be required. Thus will sky rocket the pricing and that will be unacceptable. As i said i'll ask but its not guaranteed to be included into gb.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Qr8Oppn.png)
By the way that spacy "Q" key from the samples. I thought all the time i've seen that Q somewhere and i got it. Its the "uniqey" keyboard from gmk :)
https://uniqey.net/
I had a look at the Uniqey boards a few months ago when they were hyping it. I like where GMK is going with this, seeing as they allow for tons of customisation (kinda like WASD but for Europe, and much better keycap quality). Shame the keyboards themselves kinda look like turd from the side, what's with that rounded profile, looks like a banana!
If only they hired a better team for their industrial design...
Post by: soilheart on Sat, 30 July 2016, 15:31:35
There were already requests for swe layout....
Now this is experimental. I'll ask for pricing but i do not promise this will be included into GB. There are reasons for it. First thats already 46 keys. Thats a lot and might cost also a lot. Second reason is we dont know igf gmk has all the molds/legends available. Probably new molds will be required. Thus will sky rocket the pricing and that will be unacceptable. As i said i'll ask but its not guaranteed to be included into gb.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Qr8Oppn.png)
By the way that spacy "Q" key from the samples. I thought all the time i've seen that Q somewhere and i got it. Its the "uniqey" keyboard from gmk :)
https://uniqey.net/
As I noted, an "Å"-key would be awesome to start with. Anything requiring new custom molds I'd say is not worth it. I would also gauge interest before adding Danish as I haven't seen many DK users here (or anywhere else), I guess LeandreN will be happy about NO though so I won't argue against that =P
EDIT: Personally I find these keys most vital: [Å], [+?\] ([+?] is also fine), [^¨~] and [*'].
Post by: SevenU on Sat, 30 July 2016, 16:14:36
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Post by: finalarcadia on Sat, 30 July 2016, 16:24:22
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 30 July 2016, 16:30:10
Post by: nugglets on Sat, 30 July 2016, 16:34:30
The other two colors look fantastic, though. I'm really impressed with the matching on those.
Just to be 100% certain on the light bleed, you should test them under a white LED in a dark room. It looks like they did a great job with that, too, but better to be on the safe side. =)
Thanks for posting those shots and overall just doing everything you can to make this drop a success. The fact that you have continually taken the community input to heart and acted upon it is really awesome!
Post by: rondg on Sat, 30 July 2016, 16:42:55
The voices are loud and clear we go for deeper orange :) Hope GMK's plastic supplier can provide this.
Late to the game but I agree with the deeper orange. ;D
Post by: fax668 on Sat, 30 July 2016, 16:58:23
Post by: finalarcadia on Sat, 30 July 2016, 18:11:44
Hey I'm planning to order a b.mini to use this winkeyless layout.
I have some question about the GMK keycaps stem. I assume the stepped caps lock uses an off center stem.
But what about the 7u spacebar? Should I order it centered or off-center? Does it matter?
What about OG cherry caps, are they centered or off centered for 7u spacebars?
Post by: ideus on Sat, 30 July 2016, 18:16:22
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BbJMD7C.jpg)
Hey I'm planning to order a b.mini to use this winkeyless layout.
I have some question about the GMK keycaps stem. I assume the stepped caps lock uses an off center stem.
But what about the 7u spacebar? Should I order it centered or off-center? Does it matter?
What about OG cherry caps, are they centered or off centered for 7u spacebars?
The two 7u OG Cherry key caps I have are centered stem.
Post by: shower_king on Sat, 30 July 2016, 20:37:53
Post by: Jaceun on Sat, 30 July 2016, 21:53:27
Post by: priyadi on Sun, 31 July 2016, 04:14:24
Grey and beige are good and complement each other very well. I love that beige especially. However i couldnt see any difference between "new" orange and the already available V2 color. I've tried to find any difference under different light conditions but i couldn't. It is V2. Now the question is what to do. If i ask for darker Orange color this might delay teh production or i keep that orange color and the people who got skidata may mix and match their keys wtih carbon. Let me know your opinion. Shall we go straight for the darker orange?
As a Skidata+ user, I already have the orange keys. So I prefer deeper orange, as deep as possible, to differentiate from these Skidata mods. Time is no problem for me. If carbon is going with standard V2, then I will end up with 2 sets of orange mods. That would suck, even if legend color is a little different.
Btw, I haven't seen that Q legend before. Do they have molds in that font to cover the entire alphas?
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sun, 31 July 2016, 04:27:20
Btw, I haven't seen that Q legend before. Do they have molds in that font to cover the entire alphas?
The Q legend is just the Uniqey logo, I doubt they have anything other than the Q in that font.
Post by: shower_king on Sun, 31 July 2016, 04:36:01
i am definitely sure that GMK have the mould for that. since that key exsit in skidata :DBtw, I haven't seen that Q legend before. Do they have molds in that font to cover the entire alphas?
The Q legend is just the Uniqey logo, I doubt they have anything other than the Q in that font.
(http://i4.piimg.com/567571/1e7d3bc496c7cbcb.jpg)
sorry for my misunderstanding
The Q in capital also has a mould in 1×R1 and 1×，1.25 × R4 In GMK ,but now there is no keycap in a fullset as a novel keycap .and this will come soon.
This is the first time to see Q in reality for tombery to fix the exact color for carbon.
(http://i2.piimg.com/567571/fb3da0e6ca8e4d80.png)
Post by: Makami on Sun, 31 July 2016, 05:27:50
Update for iso kit.
Two keys for ISO-DE has been removed since those are already available in the base set. Added missing ISO-UK key (|\).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DLiP54N.png)Hi Tombery,
I can only speak for ISO-UK, 5 out of 6 UK specific keys are present. The only one that is slightly off is R4 bar/backslash (it replaces the < > key on the German keyboard, right next to ISO Left shift). Maybe if you don't want to add any more keys to the kit, perhaps make the UK legends side-printed? That would be pretty neat, like Ivan's GMK Dolch set where all the UK legends are side-printed to the ANSI keys, so technically it still supports full ISO-UK without having to add the 6 additional alphas (that set only had the extra ISO-Enter, ISO Shift and the bar/backslash key next to ISO Shift)
Thank you :) Please check the update.
Would like to see a deeper orange although, and time is no problem at all for me.
Definetly in for that ISO-Addon, i already hear some folks crying for not having participated in the baseset.
Well done und einen schönen Sonntag
Post by: My_Thoughts on Sun, 31 July 2016, 08:13:37
Post by: AnTi PRO on Mon, 01 August 2016, 21:14:26
Post by: djchup on Tue, 02 August 2016, 08:05:21
This is pretty sexy. I'd be in on this.
You might have to wait for resales (at least until october), the massdrop buy ended ~1 week ago.
Post by: AnTi PRO on Tue, 02 August 2016, 08:28:58
This is pretty sexy. I'd be in on this.
You might have to wait for resales (at least until october), the massdrop buy ended ~1 week ago.
Dang it of course I'm too late :(
Thanks for the heads up
Post by: UTEster750 on Tue, 02 August 2016, 08:37:25
This is pretty sexy. I'd be in on this.
You might have to wait for resales (at least until october), the massdrop buy ended ~1 week ago.
Dang it of course I'm too late :(
Thanks for the heads up
I missed out too, it sucks man :(
Post by: Malenky on Tue, 02 August 2016, 12:23:08
Post by: KHAANNN on Tue, 02 August 2016, 13:09:01
Post by: potatobot on Wed, 03 August 2016, 02:48:22
im starting to regret having a DSA granite now.
anyone ordered an extra set? :))
Post by: Giorgio on Wed, 03 August 2016, 02:50:53
Wonderful. :thumb:
Post by: dutschislav on Wed, 03 August 2016, 05:35:39
Post by: Zorox on Wed, 03 August 2016, 15:04:20
Me like.
I'm using Swedish layout which is kinda like German layout (see https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=82542.0 for difference between DE and SE layout). So if you'd consider to add some keys to help us Swedes you would make me (and probably some other people happy).
A single "Å"-key would be a really good start and make me join the GB, and everything beyond that would be awesome (if I have counted correctly SE has 8 keys not available in ANSI or German, in which "Å" is the most important, and some keys like "2" is close enough to the UK ISO "2", etc.).
(Feel free to send me a PM if you'd like to discuss this further).
There were already requests for swe layout....
Now this is experimental. I'll ask for pricing but i do not promise this will be included into GB. There are reasons for it. First thats already 46 keys. Thats a lot and might cost also a lot. Second reason is we dont know igf gmk has all the molds/legends available. Probably new molds will be required. Thus will sky rocket the pricing and that will be unacceptable. As i said i'll ask but its not guaranteed to be included into gb.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Qr8Oppn.png)
By the way that spacy "Q" key from the samples. I thought all the time i've seen that Q somewhere and i got it. Its the "uniqey" keyboard from gmk :)
https://uniqey.net/
Thank you T0mb3rry for bringing this!!!! You are much more an action man than I expected after watching the long thread in Comp*****.de
As I suggested in that forum, to expand the set for other Nordic fellows should push the MOQ up. As I remembered, GMK claimed to own original Cherry molds, and Cherry had produced keycaps for almost every layout, so I assume that they have others ISO molds too. There was a time some guys already contacted GMK about ISO layouts, and as I recalled, the problem was always only MOQ.
So let's get this ISO thing done!!! Kudos on you and Wodan. :thumb:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 03 August 2016, 15:48:11
However i dont have any eta on these addons to drop. I hope this gonna drop soon tm.
In regards of deeper orange: i hope i'll get new samples in a few weeks.
Post by: ctrlX on Wed, 03 August 2016, 15:53:49
I'm in for at least one set!
Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 03 August 2016, 16:05:37
Post by: finalarcadia on Wed, 03 August 2016, 16:23:10
Post by: maximm on Wed, 03 August 2016, 16:43:24
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 03 August 2016, 16:49:30
Post by: Rafa_n on Wed, 03 August 2016, 17:38:13
I vote to add orange spacebars to community pack :D (6.25 and 7)
+1 to orange spacebars
Post by: ndakota79 on Wed, 03 August 2016, 22:11:07
Post by: robotmaxtron on Wed, 03 August 2016, 23:29:36
Post by: TD22057 on Wed, 03 August 2016, 23:47:38
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Post by: MandrewDavis on Thu, 04 August 2016, 00:13:40
Any chance on adding VE:A split spacebars to the community pack? xD
I would be very much on board for that!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 04 August 2016, 14:16:17
(http://i.imgur.com/sR0j6OF.png)
Spacebar kit:
(http://i.imgur.com/K0v02bw.png)
The spacebars cover also some upcoming split and ergonomic boards.
Post by: inosint on Thu, 04 August 2016, 14:28:29
Post by: kenmai9 on Thu, 04 August 2016, 14:53:31
Community kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sR0j6OF.png)
Spacebar kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/K0v02bw.png)
The spacebars cover also some upcoming split and ergonomic boards.
community kit is nice
Post by: finalarcadia on Thu, 04 August 2016, 15:05:46
Post by: krisst on Thu, 04 August 2016, 15:16:54
Community kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sR0j6OF.png)
Spacebar kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/K0v02bw.png)
The spacebars cover also some upcoming split and ergonomic boards.
Woah... No way! Will be in for these. VE.A needs more compatible spacebars. Thanks T0mb3ry.
Post by: robotmaxtron on Thu, 04 August 2016, 15:29:06
Post by: hervuli on Thu, 04 August 2016, 16:56:20
I'd buy both if for no other reason than to just complete the set.
Same!
Post by: Jaceun on Thu, 04 August 2016, 18:12:15
Community kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sR0j6OF.png)
Spacebar kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/K0v02bw.png)
The spacebars cover also some upcoming split and ergonomic boards.
I can hardly believe this is actually happening! Spacebars for my upcoming VE.A! It just keeps getting better. Thanks so much for your continual work!
Post by: shower_king on Thu, 04 August 2016, 19:13:18
frankly speaking ,i love this community kit more that the novel kit.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 04 August 2016, 19:41:45
Community kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sR0j6OF.png)
Spacebar kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/K0v02bw.png)
The spacebars cover also some upcoming split and ergonomic boards.
No six units space bars?
Post by: KyleZhuang on Thu, 04 August 2016, 19:58:33
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 04 August 2016, 20:21:19
Would be nice to see an additional ~beige 6.25 spacebar too, as a spare, but not necessary
Post by: shangrila500 on Fri, 05 August 2016, 03:00:26
If it's not too much trouble, it would be nice to have spacebars + blanks addons for the new drops, I think at least 1.25 blanks could reach the 150MOQ, there was definitely strong interest for spacebars, I would speculate a guaranteed 150 MOQ hit
Blanks would be sweet! I would love to see some 1.5 and 1.75 blanks as well for stuff like the VE.A!
Edit:
I didn't read far enough down before I opened my mouth. My bad...
Post by: shangrila500 on Fri, 05 August 2016, 03:01:44
Community kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sR0j6OF.png)
Spacebar kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/K0v02bw.png)
The spacebars cover also some upcoming split and ergonomic boards.
I can hardly believe this is actually happening! Spacebars for my upcoming VE.A! It just keeps getting better. Thanks so much for your continual work!
I thought the VE.A spacebars were 1.75. Did I miss something?
Post by: thelaughingman on Fri, 05 August 2016, 09:32:34
Community kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sR0j6OF.png)
Spacebar kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/K0v02bw.png)
The spacebars cover also some upcoming split and ergonomic boards.
hi, what rows are the community kit? I'm assuming they are R1 same as the novelty kit? I would much prefer the beige key to be mixable in the alpha cluster e.g "M"-Massdrop key is R4 to replace standard M key etc.
Post by: ndakota79 on Fri, 05 August 2016, 09:52:51
++
Would be nice to see an additional ~beige 6.25 spacebar too, as a spare, but not necessary
That I would love!
Post by: krisst on Fri, 05 August 2016, 10:10:54
Community kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sR0j6OF.png)
Spacebar kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/K0v02bw.png)
The spacebars cover also some upcoming split and ergonomic boards.
I can hardly believe this is actually happening! Spacebars for my upcoming VE.A! It just keeps getting better. Thanks so much for your continual work!
I thought the VE.A spacebars were 1.75. Did I miss something?
Take a look at this picture. Spacebars are numpad 0 and right shiftkey. 2u and 2.75u.
(http://i.imgur.com/pgdTHJM.jpg)
Post by: ipreferpie on Fri, 05 August 2016, 10:24:56
Post by: Almada71 on Fri, 05 August 2016, 11:12:04
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 05 August 2016, 11:44:52
Dont know why people think that 6u spacebar would fit topre boards. Afaik you can use only topre spacebars since they got special stabs which you cant replace just like that. Also i heard or read somewhere that the 6u spacebar has an offcenter stem which makes it fit only cherry 1800er boards. So its just a niche thing. However i'll ask GMK more about it.... I mean i'll add it so everybody is happy... ;D
Post by: ipreferpie on Fri, 05 August 2016, 11:56:07
Yeah i'll add 1.75u keys to spacebars kit.
Thanks! This GB seriously has been run very professionally. And excellent analysis regarding the Dvorak/Colemak issue -- well researched. But I'd still like to echo that since it can be potentially first for a GMK keyset that has this layout, there may be significantly more interested parties. Perhaps it's worthwhile to run an IC on multiple forums? I'll definitely buy at least 3 myself
Post by: Almada71 on Fri, 05 August 2016, 12:56:51
Post by: krisst on Fri, 05 August 2016, 13:00:26
Yeah i'll add 1.75u keys to spacebars kit.
Dont know why people think that 6u spacebar would fit topre boards. Afaik you can use only topre spacebars since they got special stabs which you cant replace just like that. Also i heard or read somewhere that the 6u spacebar has an offcenter stem which makes it fit only cherry 1800er boards. So its just a niche thing. However i'll ask GMK more about it.... I mean i'll add it so everybody is happy... ;D
Some topre users novatouched their keyboard, mostly hhkb pro2 users. That might be one of the reason they would like to see 6u spacebars. I am sure you already knew about that.
I might have to get a hhkb in the future too...
Post by: ideus on Fri, 05 August 2016, 13:10:44
Yeah i'll add 1.75u keys to spacebars kit.
Dont know why people think that 6u spacebar would fit topre boards. Afaik you can use only topre spacebars since they got special stabs which you cant replace just like that. Also i heard or read somewhere that the 6u spacebar has an offcenter stem which makes it fit only cherry 1800er boards. So its just a niche thing. However i'll ask GMK more about it.... I mean i'll add it so everybody is happy... ;D
It is known that GMK has the mold for MX space bar in 6u available; of course, it does not fit Topre boards but some 1800 boards whose models include a 6u bar. I just ask because seeing even smaller space bars, that I consider niche, while 1800 Cherry boards are available, I just wonder why not a 6u space bar is also included; but, as always, your group buy, your rules.
(http://i.imgur.com/KGLLcW1.png)
Post by: Giorgio on Fri, 05 August 2016, 13:32:57
Post by: SevenU on Fri, 05 August 2016, 13:46:48
You can't use mx spacebars on novatouched topre boards. The only use would be for custom HHKB mx boards, like the X60 or the Duck Viper.Yeah i'll add 1.75u keys to spacebars kit.
Dont know why people think that 6u spacebar would fit topre boards. Afaik you can use only topre spacebars since they got special stabs which you cant replace just like that. Also i heard or read somewhere that the 6u spacebar has an offcenter stem which makes it fit only cherry 1800er boards. So its just a niche thing. However i'll ask GMK more about it.... I mean i'll add it so everybody is happy... ;D
Some topre users novatouched their keyboard, mostly hhkb pro2 users. That might be one of the reason they would like to see 6u spacebars. I am sure you already knew about that.
I might have to get a hhkb in the future too...
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Post by: KHAANNN on Fri, 05 August 2016, 17:20:29
Post by: ideus on Fri, 05 August 2016, 20:32:10
ideus, you are requesting an 6u but did you even join the GB?
I respectfully suggest you to read properly: I did not request an space bar, I just asked about it, because it was a bit strange, seeing that the OP put in some other space bar sizes that, at least to my knowledge, are less popular or needed; however, it is exclusively his call to add whatever space bar size he wants; but, regarding my participation in the buy, it is a private matter, you are not an MD official, as far as I know, and even if you were one your would not be entitled to ask about it publicly, each order is still private. I do not feel the inclination to explain myself here about that, either if I joined or did not, it is not of your business.
One more time: This is the OP's group buy; thus, only his rules apply, not yours. If you think that I cannot post a comment here, you should reconsider your participation in a public forum and open your own one, because that level of intervention is far beyond the rights of any member here.
Post by: KHAANNN on Fri, 05 August 2016, 20:50:14
You are funnily pulling my curiosity/query to different lengths, but denying that your request wasn't a request, at least be consistent on your ethical/logical stance
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I'm not even against an 6u spacebar by the way, it would be nice to own one, but I would rather have an 6.25u spare, rather than an 6u with an unclear purpose and compatibility
Post by: krisst on Sat, 06 August 2016, 00:08:14
You can't use mx spacebars on novatouched topre boards. The only use would be for custom HHKB mx boards, like the X60 or the Duck Viper.Yeah i'll add 1.75u keys to spacebars kit.
Dont know why people think that 6u spacebar would fit topre boards. Afaik you can use only topre spacebars since they got special stabs which you cant replace just like that. Also i heard or read somewhere that the 6u spacebar has an offcenter stem which makes it fit only cherry 1800er boards. So its just a niche thing. However i'll ask GMK more about it.... I mean i'll add it so everybody is happy... ;D
Some topre users novatouched their keyboard, mostly hhkb pro2 users. That might be one of the reason they would like to see 6u spacebars. I am sure you already knew about that.
I might have to get a hhkb in the future too...
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Thank for the tip. Never knew about that. I suppose GON's HHKB will work too? These Non-Topre MX boards uses 7u right? If so, 6u mx spacebars are for even more uncommon boards then.
Post by: numberfive on Sun, 07 August 2016, 19:57:43
1. With this being my first mass drop purchase, are they shipped out as they're produced, or all at once?
2. How do we get in on that sweet, sweet orange spacebar kit action?
Thanks!
Post by: robotmaxtron on Mon, 08 August 2016, 00:00:32
Can't wait for this kit to come in! Two questions:
1. With this being my first mass drop purchase, are they shipped out as they're produced, or all at once?
2. How do we get in on that sweet, sweet orange spacebar kit action?
Thanks!
Yes, they'll all ship out at onceish. Likely it's done in small waves but ultimately everybody's going to get their shipment around the same time.
Orange Spacebars/community pack I suspect will probably be done on Massdrop but I don't think anything's been officially decided yet.
Post by: shangrila500 on Mon, 08 August 2016, 02:08:37
Community kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sR0j6OF.png)
Spacebar kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/K0v02bw.png)
The spacebars cover also some upcoming split and ergonomic boards.
I can hardly believe this is actually happening! Spacebars for my upcoming VE.A! It just keeps getting better. Thanks so much for your continual work!
I thought the VE.A spacebars were 1.75. Did I miss something?
Take a look at this picture. Spacebars are numpad 0 and right shiftkey. 2u and 2.75u.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pgdTHJM.jpg)
This is what ZeFyr/Vermillion said about the VE.A
"Left spc is num pad 0
Right spc is right shift
No need to produce any keycap
ANSI standard plus 1.75 shift covers all"
Hence my confusion. You do seem to be right though, it looks like it is a 2.75, I guess ZeFyr misspoke.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Mon, 08 August 2016, 02:12:37
Community kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sR0j6OF.png)
Spacebar kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/K0v02bw.png)
The spacebars cover also some upcoming split and ergonomic boards.
I can hardly believe this is actually happening! Spacebars for my upcoming VE.A! It just keeps getting better. Thanks so much for your continual work!
I thought the VE.A spacebars were 1.75. Did I miss something?
Take a look at this picture. Spacebars are numpad 0 and right shiftkey. 2u and 2.75u.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pgdTHJM.jpg)
This is what ZeFyr/Vermillion said about the VE.A
"Left spc is num pad 0
Right spc is right shift
No need to produce any keycap
ANSI standard plus 1.75 shift covers all"
Hence my confusion. You do seem to be right though, it looks like it is a 2.75, I guess ZeFyr misspoke.
What zefyr said is correct.
Regular 2.75 shift is used for right space, and a 1.75 shift is used for right split shift.
So any ANSI plus 1.75 shift set should cover this layout.
Post by: nicx on Mon, 08 August 2016, 11:42:24
Post by: pon10 on Tue, 09 August 2016, 15:48:39
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 09 August 2016, 15:59:41
Hi has this "drop" ended? :D shaw it on massdrop. but want to know if its still in the making? just want to request/support a Nordic child kit :) the set looks awesome btw
Uhm sry the drop ended some weeks ago :/
Some addons might show up to drop but not the base set.
Post by: kenmai9 on Tue, 09 August 2016, 16:06:57
Post by: pon10 on Tue, 09 August 2016, 16:18:36
Hi has this "drop" ended? :D shaw it on massdrop. but want to know if its still in the making? just want to request/support a Nordic child kit :) the set looks awesome btw
Uhm sry the drop ended some weeks ago :/
Some addons might show up to drop but not the base set.
Cool, thanks for getting back. maybe a after enough request we will se a new drop :) Awesome work you did on this. did it end up with a nordic child kit?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 09 August 2016, 16:19:46
whats the timeline for this again? sorry if it was posted
The drop started on 11th July and ended on 25th July. The start date of IC you can read in the first thread post. Estimated shiping day is 10th October 2016, but hey the orange color is still being matched so i expect a delay.
Post by: kenmai9 on Tue, 09 August 2016, 16:20:22
whats the timeline for this again? sorry if it was posted
The drop started on 11th July and ended on 25th July. The start date of IC you can read in the first thread post. Estimated shiping day is 10th October 2016, but hey the orange color is still being matched so i expect a delay.
tyvm sir!
Post by: duynguyenle on Tue, 09 August 2016, 16:25:28
whats the timeline for this again? sorry if it was posted
The drop started on 11th July and ended on 25th July. The start date of IC you can read in the first thread post. Estimated shiping day is 10th October 2016, but hey the orange color is still being matched so i expect a delay.
Tombery do you have a rough idea when you will start the community and ISO kit and how long the buy will run? I will be away sporadically for work so I might miss the buy if it's short duration/short notice, and I absolutely do not want to miss being able to fully fit my UK board!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 09 August 2016, 16:29:14
whats the timeline for this again? sorry if it was posted
The drop started on 11th July and ended on 25th July. The start date of IC you can read in the first thread post. Estimated shiping day is 10th October 2016, but hey the orange color is still being matched so i expect a delay.
Tombery do you have a rough idea when you will start the community and ISO kit and how long the buy will run? I will be away sporadically for work so I might miss the buy if it's short duration/short notice, and I absolutely do not want to miss being able to fully fit my UK board!
Hi has this "drop" ended? :D shaw it on massdrop. but want to know if its still in the making? just want to request/support a Nordic child kit :) the set looks awesome btw
Uhm sry the drop ended some weeks ago :/
Some addons might show up to drop but not the base set.
Cool, thanks for getting back. maybe a after enough request we will se a new drop :) Awesome work you did on this. did it end up with a nordic child kit?
Sorry i dont have any ETA yet. I've passed the ISO Addon to MD already, but its up to MD to dicide when to run it. Probably there will be also an spacebar addon but i do not guarantee.
Post by: pon10 on Tue, 09 August 2016, 16:32:13
whats the timeline for this again? sorry if it was posted
The drop started on 11th July and ended on 25th July. The start date of IC you can read in the first thread post. Estimated shiping day is 10th October 2016, but hey the orange color is still being matched so i expect a delay.
Tombery do you have a rough idea when you will start the community and ISO kit and how long the buy will run? I will be away sporadically for work so I might miss the buy if it's short duration/short notice, and I absolutely do not want to miss being able to fully fit my UK board!Hi has this "drop" ended? :D shaw it on massdrop. but want to know if its still in the making? just want to request/support a Nordic child kit :) the set looks awesome btw
Uhm sry the drop ended some weeks ago :/
Some addons might show up to drop but not the base set.
Cool, thanks for getting back. maybe a after enough request we will se a new drop :) Awesome work you did on this. did it end up with a nordic child kit?
Sorry i dont have any ETA yet. I've passed the ISO Addon to MD already, but its up to MD to dicide when to run it. Probably there will be also an spacebar addon but i do not guarantee.
NO STRESS. thanks, we will se what happens at MD.. :)
Post by: hoq on Wed, 10 August 2016, 19:34:07
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Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 10 August 2016, 19:44:36
How about a Dvorak/Colemak kit. It not quite had to made by GMK，I think.
从我的 iPhone 发送，使用 Tapatalk
How many extra keycaps?
I think with the 150MOQ, community/private GB's just became more affordable, couple people could get together, each cash in $100, order some custom/few keycaps
Post by: ipreferpie on Thu, 11 August 2016, 00:23:16
How about a Dvorak/Colemak kit. It not quite had to made by GMK，I think.
从我的 iPhone 发送，使用 Tapatalk
How many extra keycaps?
I think with the 150MOQ, community/private GB's just became more affordable, couple people could get together, each cash in $100, order some custom/few keycaps
Fully support that! I'll need 3 myself and am amongst my friends I count 8-10 already :) plus I won't mind a higher price just to be able to get Colemak in GMK.
Post by: hoq on Thu, 11 August 2016, 03:48:35
How about a Dvorak/Colemak kit. It not quite had to made by GMK，I think.
从我的 iPhone 发送，使用 Tapatalk
How many extra keycaps?
I think with the 150MOQ, community/private GB's just became more affordable, couple people could get together, each cash in $100, order some custom/few keycaps
30 1u keys and a 1.75u BS.
It‘s hard to collect 150 orders for MOQ.
why GMK needs 150 order to form a GB at least?
A lot of SA GBs just only need 25 MOQ for a Dvorak/Colemak kit.
So sad, we D/C users are so rare..............
Community/private GB sounds more feasible..............but not easy............
If it's SA CARBON or YURI keycaps， i’d like to join D/C lovers to have a try.
Post by: duynguyenle on Thu, 11 August 2016, 06:33:34
How about a Dvorak/Colemak kit. It not quite had to made by GMK，I think.
从我的 iPhone 发送，使用 Tapatalk
How many extra keycaps?
I think with the 150MOQ, community/private GB's just became more affordable, couple people could get together, each cash in $100, order some custom/few keycaps
30 1u keys and a 1.75u BS.
It‘s hard to collect 150 orders for MOQ.
why GMK needs 150 order to form a GB at least?
A lot of SA GBs just only need 25 MOQ for a Dvorak/Colemak kit.
So sad, we D/C users are so rare..............
Community/private GB sounds more feasible..............but not easy............
If it's SA CARBON or YURI keycaps， i’d like to join D/C lovers to have a try.
That's just how different companies operate. Signature Plastics is more lenient than GMK I think
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 11 August 2016, 06:46:50
I guess you would go for a GMK WoB addition as a small-GB, that way, at least Colemak/Dvorak users could use WoB keycaps, like the ones Uniqey bundles with it's keyboards - in all cases, it's a pretty luxurious choice
Considering most sets don't even include bumped F/J's, it's unrealistic to expect an alternative alpha layout making it's way in to regular GB's
Post by: FuriousGeorge on Thu, 11 August 2016, 10:27:03
Post by: romevi on Thu, 11 August 2016, 10:32:09
Post by: ideus on Thu, 11 August 2016, 10:38:37
To this day I still keep reading cabrón whenever I see this set's name. ???
That has a very negative connotation in Spanish my friend, are you aware of it?
Post by: romevi on Thu, 11 August 2016, 10:39:30
To this day I still keep reading cabrón whenever I see this set's name. ???
That has a very negative connotation in Spanish my friend, are you aware of it?
Absolutely I am.
Post by: brighenne on Thu, 11 August 2016, 10:40:11
To this day I still keep reading cabrón whenever I see this set's name. ???
That has a very negative connotation in Spanish my friend, are you aware of it?
I feel like that's the only connotation anybody knows it in.
Post by: Trouhel on Fri, 12 August 2016, 05:53:41
I'm new to this forum and actually opened an account with the sole purpose to point out that there might be a mistake in the ISO international add-on kit.
I may be wrong since I do not speak any nordic language (while the layout comes from the post of a swedish user of the forum), but I could not find anywhere the greater/less and greater/less/backslash keys shown in the render.
Every source I checked (wikipedia, microsoft, wasd, some SP international kits, Unix X11 keyboard definition files), all have less/greater instead of greater/less, while the latter does not seem to appear anywhere.
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 12 August 2016, 06:05:11
Hi,
I'm new to this forum and actually opened an account with the sole purpose to point out that there might be a mistake in the ISO international add-on kit.
I may be wrong since I do not speak any nordic language (while the layout comes from the post of a swedish user of the forum), but I could not find anywhere the greater/less and greater/less/backslash keys shown in the render.
Every source I checked (wikipedia, microsoft, wasd, some SP international kits, Unix X11 keyboard definition files), all have less/greater instead of greater/less, while the latter does not seem to appear anywhere.
They are already included in the Carbon basekit.
Post by: ctrlX on Fri, 12 August 2016, 06:31:49
> < |
Not
< > |
Now when I look at the set there are actually more keys missing to make the Nordic kit complete...
Post by: fax668 on Fri, 12 August 2016, 06:54:33
Post by: Trouhel on Fri, 12 August 2016, 09:16:03
I was talking about the < > \ and < > keys, not the < > | key included in the base kit.
This < > | key covers Germany, Finland, Iceland, and Sweden, but the < > \ key is needed for Denmark, and the < > key for Norway.
These last two (IHMO wrongly,) appear as > < \ and > < in the rendered ISO kit.
Hope this helps.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 12 August 2016, 09:31:39
Let me be more specific:
I was talking about the < > \ and < > keys, not the < > | key included in the base kit.
This < > | key covers Germany, Finland, Iceland, and Sweden, but the < > \ key is needed for Denmark, and the < > key for Norway.
These last two (IHMO wrongly,) appear as > < \ and > < in the rendered ISO kit.
Hope this helps.
That has been fixed already, since i published here only fast sketches for iso addon. But nice catch anyway.
Post by: lildragonbuns on Fri, 12 August 2016, 19:36:22
Post by: KHAANNN on Fri, 12 August 2016, 19:38:51
I actually kind of regret not going for the novelty kit. Hopefully I can find one on mm or classified.
Best buy one early on, it's a bit risky but, much easier than a post-drop buy, people seem less likely to part with things post-drop :)
Post by: hoq on Fri, 12 August 2016, 21:36:18
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 13 August 2016, 06:35:06
To see the difference i made the pictures under different light conditions. Also keep in mind the fotos were done with my mobile phone, thus they dont have great quality but its more abut colors.
In the shaddows:
(http://i.imgur.com/27Dumst.jpg)
Under the sun:
(http://i.imgur.com/45N03SM.jpg)
No light bleed:
(http://i.imgur.com/OdNdp5d.jpg)
Overall that updated orange is deeper than V2. You can clearly see (if not colorblind) the V2 has more yellow accents there the updated orange seems to be more orangy. In this case i am very happy with new color and will send my approval for the production.
Off topic,
Minor) Does the "s" of "Esc" seems a bit sly, I've compared it to an existing Esc, it might as well be warping from the photo angling too, just something that caught my eye
-> Suggestion: Some keycaps have slight variations like this, if it indeed exists, it might be a good idea to nudge GMK a bit, from my very limited experience, it makes a change :)
I passed the weird Escape issue to GMK. As for the samples they do not adjust their tooling like for production. So the pressure was a bit off, which caused that weird "S". Anyway they passed it to production manager so they keep an eye on it.
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 13 August 2016, 07:04:21
The pressure difference for samples explains the issues well (new MX's M's right and X's left seem to suffer a bit from the same issue too) - It's good to hear that it won't be repeated in production
Can't wait for the set!
I'm thinking of getting carbon plates made from big blue saw beforehand
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 13 August 2016, 07:17:22
Ok here is the updated Carbon orange. To see the difference the key with new orange has MX label and key with V2 color has Q label.
To see the difference i made the pictures under different light conditions. Also keep in mind the fotos were done with my mobile phone, thus they dont have great quality but its more abut colors.
In the shaddows:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/27Dumst.jpg)
Under the sun:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/45N03SM.jpg)
No light bleed:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OdNdp5d.jpg)
Overall that updated orange is deeper than V2. You can clearly see (if not colorblind) the V2 has more yellow accents there the updated orange seems to be more orangy. In this case i am very happy with new color and will send my approval for the production.Off topic,
Minor) Does the "s" of "Esc" seems a bit sly, I've compared it to an existing Esc, it might as well be warping from the photo angling too, just something that caught my eye
-> Suggestion: Some keycaps have slight variations like this, if it indeed exists, it might be a good idea to nudge GMK a bit, from my very limited experience, it makes a change :)
I passed the weird Escape issue to GMK. As for the samples they do not adjust their tooling like for production. So the pressure was a bit off, which caused that weird "S". Anyway they passed it to production manager so they keep an eye on it.
Thanks for the update! I still think the differences are extremely subtle (perhaps my monitor just isn't calibrated that well), but I'm glad you went with the deeper colour for those guys who really wanted it! :thumb:
Post by: romevi on Sat, 13 August 2016, 07:55:29
Post by: KyleZhuang on Sat, 13 August 2016, 08:30:56
Ok here is the updated Carbon orange. To see the difference the key with new orange has MX label and key with V2 color has Q label.
To see the difference i made the pictures under different light conditions. Also keep in mind the fotos were done with my mobile phone, thus they dont have great quality but its more abut colors.
In the shaddows:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/27Dumst.jpg)
Under the sun:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/45N03SM.jpg)
No light bleed:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OdNdp5d.jpg)
Overall that updated orange is deeper than V2. You can clearly see (if not colorblind) the V2 has more yellow accents there the updated orange seems to be more orangy. In this case i am very happy with new color and will send my approval for the production.Off topic,
Minor) Does the "s" of "Esc" seems a bit sly, I've compared it to an existing Esc, it might as well be warping from the photo angling too, just something that caught my eye
-> Suggestion: Some keycaps have slight variations like this, if it indeed exists, it might be a good idea to nudge GMK a bit, from my very limited experience, it makes a change :)
I passed the weird Escape issue to GMK. As for the samples they do not adjust their tooling like for production. So the pressure was a bit off, which caused that weird "S". Anyway they passed it to production manager so they keep an eye on it.
The new orange looks quite comfortable. Hope the orange spacebars will be on MD soon.
Post by: ctrlX on Sat, 13 August 2016, 08:37:16
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 13 August 2016, 08:56:32
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 13 August 2016, 09:14:12
Indeed the difference is very small. However doing it more darker may make the legends on mods not that destinctive.
I really agree with this one
I suspect we can't see the different because of the photo source and the lighting
Gray on Orange isn't risky, yet, since Cherry legends are small, if the orange becomes more darker, Orange on Gray might become really taxing on the eyes
Post by: ndakota79 on Sat, 13 August 2016, 09:48:03
But I have full confidence in your judgement, T0mb3ry.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 13 August 2016, 13:27:18
Post by: nugglets on Sat, 13 August 2016, 15:59:31
It's most obvious, to me, when looking at the front edges of the caps in the first two photos.
Anyways, this is great news. Thanks Tomb3ry! =)
Post by: ideus on Sat, 13 August 2016, 16:01:33
While definitely subtle, I see the difference and absolutely prefer the new shade. The reason I wasn't completely happy with the V2 was definitely the yellow-ish hue, and this new shade remedies that effectively.
It's most obvious, to me, when looking at the front edges of the caps in the first two photos.
Anyways, this is great news. Thanks Tomb3ry! =)
Was V2 used for Skidata?
Post by: nugglets on Sat, 13 August 2016, 16:23:41
While definitely subtle, I see the difference and absolutely prefer the new shade. The reason I wasn't completely happy with the V2 was definitely the yellow-ish hue, and this new shade remedies that effectively.
It's most obvious, to me, when looking at the front edges of the caps in the first two photos.
Anyways, this is great news. Thanks Tomb3ry! =)
Was V2 used for Skidata?
Yep.
Post by: kingnestea on Sun, 14 August 2016, 16:00:24
Indeed the difference is very small. However doing it more darker may make the legends on mods not that destinctive.agree
Post by: inosint on Sun, 14 August 2016, 21:57:49
Post by: hoq on Thu, 25 August 2016, 01:06:12
Looks like Gmk has a new 6u spacebar mold, any way we could get that added for some hhkb love?
really want these 2 kits.
Post by: _joe_king on Tue, 30 August 2016, 16:49:29
Post by: romevi on Tue, 30 August 2016, 16:53:05
Is it October yet :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
You can just look at a calendar.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 30 August 2016, 16:58:28
Taken from Massdrop:
Our vendor has informed us that there has been a slight delay in their production schedule for the GMK Carbon Custom Keycap Set. As a result, the new estimated ship date from our warehouse is now the end of October. We will continue to work closely with our vendor throughout the production process in efforts to pull in the order as early as possible.
You can expect an update from us on 9/7 or sooner if something comes up.
Giving that, you will see GMK Carbon somewhere in November if everything goes fine :)
Post by: robotmaxtron on Tue, 30 August 2016, 18:57:20
There is a delay.
Taken from Massdrop:
Our vendor has informed us that there has been a slight delay in their production schedule for the GMK Carbon Custom Keycap Set. As a result, the new estimated ship date from our warehouse is now the end of October. We will continue to work closely with our vendor throughout the production process in efforts to pull in the order as early as possible.
You can expect an update from us on 9/7 or sooner if something comes up.
Giving that, you will see GMK Carbon somewhere in November if everything goes fine :)
I've got an updated one that says
Quote
The vendor has let us know that there will be a delay in production due to longer than anticipated lead times. This has happened because more time is needed to source the material and produce the keycaps than originally expected.
As of now orders are projected to be shipped out to group members from our warehouse by mid November. We will remain in contact with our vendor and will be doing our best to try to expedite the schedule.
Post by: kenmai9 on Tue, 30 August 2016, 19:22:06
There is a delay.
Taken from Massdrop:
Our vendor has informed us that there has been a slight delay in their production schedule for the GMK Carbon Custom Keycap Set. As a result, the new estimated ship date from our warehouse is now the end of October. We will continue to work closely with our vendor throughout the production process in efforts to pull in the order as early as possible.
You can expect an update from us on 9/7 or sooner if something comes up.
Giving that, you will see GMK Carbon somewhere in November if everything goes fine :)
I've got an updated one that saysQuoteThe vendor has let us know that there will be a delay in production due to longer than anticipated lead times. This has happened because more time is needed to source the material and produce the keycaps than originally expected.
As of now orders are projected to be shipped out to group members from our warehouse by mid November. We will remain in contact with our vendor and will be doing our best to try to expedite the schedule.
(http://i.imgur.com/Ix6lOxj.png)
Post by: B1G_B1RD on Wed, 31 August 2016, 16:34:06
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Wed, 31 August 2016, 17:02:00
Post by: kenmai9 on Wed, 31 August 2016, 17:05:39
These going to be available anywhere for those of us who missed the MD? I'm pretty new to the game but love this set
there were over a thousand sold.. so i'm pretty sure that there will be some available after market.
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Wed, 31 August 2016, 17:14:59
there were over a thousand sold.. so i'm pretty sure that there will be some available after market.
Rad!! Thanks!!! Still just learning the ropes
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 31 August 2016, 17:25:35
there were over a thousand sold.. so i'm pretty sure that there will be some available after market.
Rad!! Thanks!!! Still just learning the ropes
You should buy it the first chance you get after it has been shipped. Its common that some buyers sell their sets directly after receiving them, because of that ever the reasons are. However after some time the sets will find their end users and those will never sell them. This results then in a so called "hard to get set", despite the sold numbers. For example Carbon SA sold quite great numbers and i think it was common on aftermarket directly after shipping. Right now you will get hard time to find one. And if you find one, then to a great markup price.
Post by: _joe_king on Thu, 01 September 2016, 15:29:04
Is it October yet :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
You can just look at a calendar.
Calm down. I'm excited Mrs. Debbie Downer this has been a long time in the making. So let me apologize for being overly excited below:
Post by: nugglets on Thu, 01 September 2016, 16:02:44
There is a delay.
Taken from Massdrop:
Our vendor has informed us that there has been a slight delay in their production schedule for the GMK Carbon Custom Keycap Set. As a result, the new estimated ship date from our warehouse is now the end of October. We will continue to work closely with our vendor throughout the production process in efforts to pull in the order as early as possible.
You can expect an update from us on 9/7 or sooner if something comes up.
Giving that, you will see GMK Carbon somewhere in November if everything goes fine :)
I've got an updated one that saysQuoteThe vendor has let us know that there will be a delay in production due to longer than anticipated lead times. This has happened because more time is needed to source the material and produce the keycaps than originally expected.
As of now orders are projected to be shipped out to group members from our warehouse by mid November. We will remain in contact with our vendor and will be doing our best to try to expedite the schedule.
The second one seems to only influence the Ergodox kit, which makes sense as it was submitted later than the two other kits.
The first message stating end of October was the only one posted in the original kit and novelty kit threads.
Post by: smittysteve on Fri, 02 September 2016, 17:45:35
Post by: Felion on Mon, 05 September 2016, 03:31:45
Post by: fax668 on Mon, 05 September 2016, 04:49:23
I've passed the ISO Addon to MD already, but its up to MD to dicide when to run it. Probably there will be also an spacebar addon but i do not guarantee.
Post by: KyleZhuang on Mon, 05 September 2016, 07:35:19
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 05 September 2016, 11:50:48
Will the orange spacebar be dropped? Is there an ETA?
Sry. I got no ETA right now. Honestly i dont even know if it will drop ever. I've suggested this Yanbo but i think he got already a lot stuff todo.
Post by: shangrila500 on Tue, 06 September 2016, 03:04:29
Will the orange spacebar be dropped? Is there an ETA?
Sry. I got no ETA right now. Honestly i dont even know if it will drop ever. I've suggested this Yanbo but i think he got already a lot stuff todo.
Nooooo! I want the spacebars so bad it isn't even close to being funny! I really hope they get a drop but if not I am sure we can all figure something out.
Is there anything anyone can do to help get them to drop?
Post by: nugglets on Tue, 13 September 2016, 15:34:16
Will the orange spacebar be dropped? Is there an ETA?
Sry. I got no ETA right now. Honestly i dont even know if it will drop ever. I've suggested this Yanbo but i think he got already a lot stuff todo.
Maybe you could talk to Sheraton at Originative? He's doing some GMK spacebar packs on his site, maybe if you work together he can get them made with the custom color while it's still in use. Once this gets made, it's probably going to be much more difficult to get the color matched again.
In fact, I would be in for packs of all three colors. Grey/Carbon would look great, too. And having the option of getting backup beige caps would be awesome, since the spacebar is usually the first cap to shine in my experience. Also the most obvious when it does.
Post by: numberfive on Sat, 17 September 2016, 00:01:45
Please message me if they need a MOQ, I'd be happy to prepay for a spacebar set.Will the orange spacebar be dropped? Is there an ETA?
Sry. I got no ETA right now. Honestly i dont even know if it will drop ever. I've suggested this Yanbo but i think he got already a lot stuff todo.
Maybe you could talk to Sheraton at Originative? He's doing some GMK spacebar packs on his site, maybe if you work together he can get them made with the custom color while it's still in use. Once this gets made, it's probably going to be much more difficult to get the color matched again.
In fact, I would be in for packs of all three colors. Grey/Carbon would look great, too. And having the option of getting backup beige caps would be awesome, since the spacebar is usually the first cap to shine in my experience. Also the most obvious when it does.
Post by: fax668 on Sat, 17 September 2016, 12:54:52
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:19:16
Why not organize a poll on Massdrop: https://www.massdrop.com/mechanical-keyboards/polls ? I don't know how much attention they are paying to them but it can't hurt.
I assume Tomb3ry already has the maximum attention one could get from Massdrop
I guess the MD-bottleneck with mech stuff is the Massdrop guy that is currently in China, as I saw multiple mentions of the issue, doesn't make too much sense to me - If Tomb3ry wants another pack to be run, they should just give it to him
My optimistic side says maybe they are going to include a coloured spacebar as a surprise, yet, since the EU pack didn't run either, not likely ;)
On the bright side, GMK is pretty good at color-matching, so I wouldn't worry much about a second run
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 17 September 2016, 13:53:02
Post by: silaz on Sun, 18 September 2016, 19:52:10
Post by: KHAANNN on Sun, 18 September 2016, 19:55:28
I'm new to this, but if I read the update correctly, the key sets should ship out around November. That would probably be the best time to be looking in the aftermarket for this set?
If you can take the risk, the best time is now, just leave a message here (as you did) - and to the massdrop discussions - you can make the keycaps ship to you
Post by: silaz on Sun, 18 September 2016, 20:41:17
Thanks for the heads up - I had no idea!I'm new to this, but if I read the update correctly, the key sets should ship out around November. That would probably be the best time to be looking in the aftermarket for this set?
If you can take the risk, the best time is now, just leave a message here (as you did) - and to the massdrop discussions - you can make the keycaps ship to you
Post by: numberfive on Thu, 22 September 2016, 19:29:54
I'm new to this, but if I read the update correctly, the key sets should ship out around November. That would probably be the best time to be looking in the aftermarket for this set?
If you can take the risk, the best time is now, just leave a message here (as you did) - and to the massdrop discussions - you can make the keycaps ship to you
How would this process work? I contacted Mass Drop directly and they told me they can't transfer sets to someone else, their system does not allow it.
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 22 September 2016, 19:39:03
I'm new to this, but if I read the update correctly, the key sets should ship out around November. That would probably be the best time to be looking in the aftermarket for this set?
If you can take the risk, the best time is now, just leave a message here (as you did) - and to the massdrop discussions - you can make the keycaps ship to you
How would this process work? I contacted Mass Drop directly and they told me they can't transfer sets to someone else, their system does not allow it.
It doesn't work well honestly - but it doesn't work well in any case, Massdrop just refuses to give support if you bought the set from someone else, or uses it as an excuse to stall or halt support, so in any case, If you didn't buy directly, beware of this fact (Even if you buy directly, the support is questionably just, but let's just bygones be bygones)
Anyway, how the process works:
You buy the set from someone, pay them with paypal, they contact Massdrop, change the address for the set, then when the set launches, you wish the address change is still effective
If they end up sending the set to the previous address (I've read this happening to people who genuinely move from one place to the other too ...) - you either wish the buyer re-send you the set, or open a Paypal dispute
Even if the seller is a decent person, s/he might want to keep the set when the above happens, and seeing the GMK Carbon, s/he will do this 90% - and you likely being a decent person, will allow the him/her to keep it - so again, beware
So, all in all, it's risky, but in the past, it was much easier than tracking a set that people are buying and searching like crazy
Post by: potatobot on Thu, 22 September 2016, 20:27:33
It doesn't work well honestly - but it doesn't work well in any case, Massdrop just refuses to give support if you bought the set from someone else, or uses it as an excuse to stall or halt support, so in any case, If you didn't buy directly, beware of this fact (Even if you buy directly, the support is questionably just, but let's just bygones be bygones)
Anyway, how the process works:
You buy the set from someone, pay them with paypal, they contact Massdrop, change the address for the set, then when the set launches, you wish the address change is still effective
If they end up sending the set to the previous address (I've read this happening to people who genuinely move from one place to the other too ...) - you either wish the buyer re-send you the set, or open a Paypal dispute
Even if the seller is a decent person, s/he might want to keep the set when the above happens, and seeing the GMK Carbon, s/he will do this 90% - and you likely being a decent person, will allow the him/her to keep it - so again, beware
So, all in all, it's risky, but in the past, it was much easier than tracking a set that people are buying and searching like crazy
That is too risky indeed, but then again, if you wait for them to come out in the classified the price would be double haha!
Via china is risky too, damn
The best option was to join the drop which is too late for me :(
Post by: Chachal on Fri, 30 September 2016, 16:45:36
Every base set is going to get 2 novelty keys? :eek:
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 30 September 2016, 18:18:22
http://imgur.com/a/PkLTM real pics of Carbon
Every base set is going to get 2 novelty keys? :eek:
Where did you get those pictures :eek: :eek: :eek:
Post by: KHAANNN on Fri, 30 September 2016, 18:19:51
http://imgur.com/a/PkLTM real pics of Carbon
Every base set is going to get 2 novelty keys? :eek:
Where did you get those pictures :eek: :eek: :eek:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/559sd8/a_trip_to_gmk_carbon_pics_too/
GMK Visit :D
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 30 September 2016, 18:22:10
http://imgur.com/a/PkLTM real pics of Carbon
Every base set is going to get 2 novelty keys? :eek:
Where did you get those pictures :eek: :eek: :eek:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/559sd8/a_trip_to_gmk_carbon_pics_too/
GMK Visit :D
Dang, haven't checked reddit today!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 01 October 2016, 03:44:16
http://imgur.com/a/PkLTM real pics of Carbon
Every base set is going to get 2 novelty keys? :eek:
Nope the sets lay there like this just for display.
Post by: thelaughingman on Sat, 01 October 2016, 06:51:17
http://imgur.com/a/PkLTM real pics of Carbon
Every base set is going to get 2 novelty keys? :eek:
Nope the sets lay there like this just for display.
:-X
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 01 October 2016, 07:37:37
http://imgur.com/a/PkLTM real pics of Carbon
Every base set is going to get 2 novelty keys? :eek:
Nope the sets lay there like this just for display.
:(
Post by: salasource on Wed, 05 October 2016, 05:24:42
The ISO addon hasn't happened yet:Lets us be realistic. What is the chance we actually get Nordic-DE ISO addon for GMK Carbon? Any info from German forum?I've passed the ISO Addon to MD already, but its up to MD to dicide when to run it. Probably there will be also an spacebar addon but i do not guarantee.
Post by: rioc on Wed, 05 October 2016, 06:23:32
http://imgur.com/a/PkLTM real pics of Carbon
Every base set is going to get 2 novelty keys? :eek:
wait, Yuri colour samples? When did Yuri happen? I want it... :-\
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 05 October 2016, 06:26:20
http://imgur.com/a/PkLTM real pics of Carbon
Every base set is going to get 2 novelty keys? :eek:
wait, Yuri colour samples? When did Yuri happen? I want it... :-\
It hasn't happened yet
Post by: gaiden on Wed, 05 October 2016, 14:26:49
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 05 October 2016, 15:31:25
@T0mb3ry, is the 1u honeycomb going to happen? they looks so awesome i would imagine putting one on a split right shift :p :thumb:
1u honeycomb? afaik i made some 1u honeycomb mockups for SA but not for Cherry.
As reminder, i've passed all the addons (iso, community keys and specabars) to MD (long time ago) but i got no eta and i dont even know if these addons will drop. I've reminded Yanbo about the demand for these addons but i got no feedback so far.
Post by: gaiden on Wed, 05 October 2016, 15:36:22
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 05 October 2016, 15:41:34
I see that's a shame I bet lots ppl here would love to get their hands on some 1u honeycombs because those can be easily placed around the board for custom layouts as opposed to 2u ones. Maybe one of these days..
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Not as easy. There are 4 different rows. So that honeycomb needs to be done in all 4 rows. Also clustered together those honeycomb keys dont look as good. I've experimented with mockups already and it looks to busy. Who ever bought the Ergodox addon will get enough blank keys to cover almost every layout he likes (ofcourse in combination with base kit).
Post by: gaiden on Wed, 05 October 2016, 16:07:30
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Post by: KHAANNN on Wed, 05 October 2016, 16:18:42
Good to know, well good thing I got all 3 sets (main, novelties, ergodox) that I know of. :)
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++
It's also good to have 1.5 R4 blanks too, there are some cool HHKB-like possible layouts that are possible with those blanks
Indeed it's a shame MD didn't fast-run the ISO+Spacebars :(
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 05 October 2016, 16:36:43
ISO
(http://i.imgur.com/a8Y1ze0.png)
SPACEBARS
(http://i.imgur.com/uHnP9Wn.png)
COMMUNITY KIT
(http://i.imgur.com/iD7xsJf.png)
Post by: nugglets on Wed, 05 October 2016, 16:52:10
Post by: ddot on Wed, 05 October 2016, 17:30:16
i am human
I disagree. No mortal human comes up with sets this awesome!
Any chance the standard sized spacebars can get broken out? I'd love to pick up a couple extra of those, but I don't really need a whole stockpile of the small ones. Might not be possible if this it what it takes to reach MOQ, but just a thought.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 05 October 2016, 17:41:56
i am human
I disagree. No mortal human comes up with sets this awesome!
Any chance the standard sized spacebars can get broken out? I'd love to pick up a couple extra of those, but I don't really need a whole stockpile of the small ones. Might not be possible if this it what it takes to reach MOQ, but just a thought.
Lol thanks!
The problem by splitting it up is actually the moq. This is more a strategic decision and thus i'd like to take VE.A users into the boat. The goal is to rpovide the spacebars for everybody. Anyway if all other users think different in this regard then just reply here. With enough votes i'll react properly. Thats why i make here this IC still.
Since we reached the next page in this thread i'd like to post the addons again so you dont need to page back.
ISO
(http://i.imgur.com/a8Y1ze0.png)
SPACEBARS
(http://i.imgur.com/uHnP9Wn.png)
COMMUNITY KIT
(http://i.imgur.com/iD7xsJf.png)
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 05 October 2016, 17:47:49
i am human
I disagree. No mortal human comes up with sets this awesome!
Any chance the standard sized spacebars can get broken out? I'd love to pick up a couple extra of those, but I don't really need a whole stockpile of the small ones. Might not be possible if this it what it takes to reach MOQ, but just a thought.
Lol thanks!
The problem by splitting it up is actually the moq. This is more a strategic decision and thus i'd like to take VE.A users into the boat. The goal is to rpovide the spacebars for everybody. Anyway if all other users think different in this regard then just reply here. With enough votes i'll react properly. Thats why i make here this IC still.
Since we reached the next page in this thread i'd like to post the addons again so you dont need to page back.
ISOShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/a8Y1ze0.png)
SPACEBARSShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/uHnP9Wn.png)
COMMUNITY KITShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/iD7xsJf.png)
Can only speak for ISO-UK, but I'm happy to report that all 6 non-ANSI alphas to cover UK layout are spoken for, thanks Tombery!
Post by: arhetue on Wed, 05 October 2016, 19:30:36
Post by: soilheart on Thu, 06 October 2016, 02:28:17
Ok i've talked to Yanbo again. Those should drop pretty soonish. So please check for errors. I take suggestions for the next 24 hours. Just as reminder i do not take any other languages for the iso kit else it will become to expensive. Its just basic norde + uk iso kit and nothing crazy. So please check only for signs and legends errors since i am human and thus i predestined to make errors :) .
This doesn't really matter that much to me personally, but the Swedish keyboard layout (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/KB_Sweden.svg/2000px-KB_Sweden.svg.png) actually have two € locations. AltGr-E and AltGr-5. (I think that AltGr-5 was the initial position as it would naturally fall after the Swedish way of writing $€, but when other layouts started using AltGr-E that was added too in most OS:es).
Otherwise everything looks good for Swedish from what I can see.
Post by: salasource on Thu, 06 October 2016, 05:02:03
Post by: maximm on Thu, 06 October 2016, 05:38:19
Post by: Trouhel on Thu, 06 October 2016, 12:27:46
01 R1 ` ¬ ¦ uk(E00)
02 R1 2 " uk(E02)
03 R1 3 £ uk(E03)
04 R1 4 $ € uk(E04)
05 R1 ˆ ° de(E00)
06 R1 2 " ² de(E02)
07 R1 3 § ³ de(E03)
08 R1 6 & de(E06),no(E06),se(E06),dk(E06)
09 R1 7 / { de(E07),no(E07),se(E07),dk(E07)
10 R1 8 ( [ de(E08),no(E08),se(E08),dk(E08)
11 R1 9 ) ] de(E09),no(E09),se(E09),dk(E09)
12 R1 0 = } de(E10),no(E10),se(E10),dk(E10)
13 R1 ß ? \ de(E11)
14 R1 ´ ` de(E12),se(E12)
15 R1 § ½ se(E00)
16 R1 2 " @ no(E02),se(E02),dk(E02)
17 R1 3 # £ no(E03),se(E03),dk(E03)
18 R1 4 ¤ $ no(E04),se(E04),dk(E04)
19 R1 5 % € se(E05)
20 R1 + ? \ se(E11)
21 R1 ½ § dk(E00)
22 R1 + ? no(E11),dk(E11)
23 R1 ´ ` | dk(E12)
24 R1 | § no(E00)
25 R1 \ ` ´ no(E12)
26 R2 Q @ de(D01)
27 R2 E € de(D03),no(D03),se(D03),dk(D03)
28 R2 Z de(D06)
29 R2 Ü de(D11)
30 R2 + * ~ de(D12)
31 R2 Å no(D11),se(D11),dk(D11)
32 R2 ¨ ˆ ˜ no(D12),se(D12),dk(D12)
33 R3 Ö de(C10),se(C10)
34 R3 Ä de(C11),se(C11)
35 R3 # ' de(C12)
36 R3 ' @ uk(C11)
37 R3 # ~ uk(C12)
38 R3 Ø no(C10),dk(C11)
39 R3 Æ no(C11),dk(C10)
40 R3 ' * no(C12),se(C12),dk(C12)
41 R4 \ | uk(B00)
42 R4 < > | de(B00),se(B00)
43 R4 Y de(B01)
44 R4 M µ de(B07),no(B07),se(B07),dk(B07)
45 R4 , ; de(B08),no(B08),se(B08),dk(B08)
46 R4 . : de(B09),no(B09),se(B09),dk(B09)
47 R4 - _ de(B10),no(B10),se(B10),dk(B10)
48 R4 < > no(B00)
49 R4 < > \ dk(B00)
It contains 3 additional keys: R1 5 % € se(E05) has already been mentioned in soilheart's previous post, while R3 # ' de(C12) and R4 < > | de(B00) are part of GMK Carbon "ISO US" kit. Thus, if my custom software is not buggy, it validates T0mb3ry's kit.
Hope this helps.+
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 06 October 2016, 13:10:29
Below is a computer produced listing of the 49 keycaps to be added to the alphanumeric ANSI set to cover the following languages: uk,de,dk,no,se. It follows the order used in T0mb3ry's GMK Carbon 46 keys ISO kit rendering. Values between parenthesis are ISO key designations.
01 R1 ` ¬ ¦ uk(E00)
02 R1 2 " uk(E02)
03 R1 3 £ uk(E03)
04 R1 4 $ € uk(E04)
05 R1 ˆ ° de(E00)
06 R1 2 " ² de(E02)
07 R1 3 § ³ de(E03)
08 R1 6 & de(E06),no(E06),se(E06),dk(E06)
09 R1 7 / { de(E07),no(E07),se(E07),dk(E07)
10 R1 8 ( [ de(E08),no(E08),se(E08),dk(E08)
11 R1 9 ) ] de(E09),no(E09),se(E09),dk(E09)
12 R1 0 = } de(E10),no(E10),se(E10),dk(E10)
13 R1 ß ? \ de(E11)
14 R1 ´ ` de(E12),se(E12)
15 R1 § ½ se(E00)
16 R1 2 " @ no(E02),se(E02),dk(E02)
17 R1 3 # £ no(E03),se(E03),dk(E03)
18 R1 4 ¤ $ no(E04),se(E04),dk(E04)
19 R1 5 % € se(E05)
20 R1 + ? \ se(E11)
21 R1 ½ § dk(E00)
22 R1 + ? no(E11),dk(E11)
23 R1 ´ ` | dk(E12)
24 R1 | § no(E00)
25 R1 \ ` ´ no(E12)
26 R2 Q @ de(D01)
27 R2 E € de(D03),no(D03),se(D03),dk(D03)
28 R2 Z de(D06)
29 R2 Ü de(D11)
30 R2 + * ~ de(D12)
31 R2 Å no(D11),se(D11),dk(D11)
32 R2 ¨ ˆ ˜ no(D12),se(D12),dk(D12)
33 R3 Ö de(C10),se(C10)
34 R3 Ä de(C11),se(C11)
35 R3 # ' de(C12)
36 R3 ' @ uk(C11)
37 R3 # ~ uk(C12)
38 R3 Ø no(C10),dk(C11)
39 R3 Æ no(C11),dk(C10)
40 R3 ' * no(C12),se(C12),dk(C12)
41 R4 \ | uk(B00)
42 R4 < > | de(B00),se(B00)
43 R4 Y de(B01)
44 R4 M µ de(B07),no(B07),se(B07),dk(B07)
45 R4 , ; de(B08),no(B08),se(B08),dk(B08)
46 R4 . : de(B09),no(B09),se(B09),dk(B09)
47 R4 - _ de(B10),no(B10),se(B10),dk(B10)
48 R4 < > no(B00)
49 R4 < > \ dk(B00)
It contains 3 additional keys: R1 5 % € se(E05) has already been mentioned in soilheart's previous post, while R3 # ' de(C12) and R4 < > | de(B00) are part of GMK Carbon "ISO US" kit. Thus, if my custom software is not buggy, it validates T0mb3ry's kit.
Hope this helps.+
Thank you very much for that analysis. So far i can understand everything is on point and no cap is missing. As you mentioned already the two caps for DE are part of the base kit and thus not missing. I think the extra R1 5 % € key will not be missing since € is already available for R2 E.
I'll wait for one hour and after that i'll pass it to Yanbo. So if you got something on your mind this is the last chance to make a suggestion.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 06 October 2016, 14:41:47
Post by: nugglets on Thu, 06 October 2016, 14:44:44
i am human
I disagree. No mortal human comes up with sets this awesome!
Any chance the standard sized spacebars can get broken out? I'd love to pick up a couple extra of those, but I don't really need a whole stockpile of the small ones. Might not be possible if this it what it takes to reach MOQ, but just a thought.
Lol thanks!
The problem by splitting it up is actually the moq. This is more a strategic decision and thus i'd like to take VE.A users into the boat. The goal is to rpovide the spacebars for everybody. Anyway if all other users think different in this regard then just reply here. With enough votes i'll react properly. Thats why i make here this IC still.
Since we reached the next page in this thread i'd like to post the addons again so you dont need to page back.
Maybe see if Yanbo can set it up so that you purchase a "base kit" of all the spacebars in order to hit MOQ, but then allow "add on" kits of specific sizes for those of us who would like extras for our preferred layouts without stockpiling keys we won't use?
Just a suggestion, and one that seems plausible given the way they've handled kits in previous drops.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 06 October 2016, 15:00:31
i am human
I disagree. No mortal human comes up with sets this awesome!
Any chance the standard sized spacebars can get broken out? I'd love to pick up a couple extra of those, but I don't really need a whole stockpile of the small ones. Might not be possible if this it what it takes to reach MOQ, but just a thought.
Lol thanks!
The problem by splitting it up is actually the moq. This is more a strategic decision and thus i'd like to take VE.A users into the boat. The goal is to rpovide the spacebars for everybody. Anyway if all other users think different in this regard then just reply here. With enough votes i'll react properly. Thats why i make here this IC still.
Since we reached the next page in this thread i'd like to post the addons again so you dont need to page back.
Maybe see if Yanbo can set it up so that you purchase a "base kit" of all the spacebars in order to hit MOQ, but then allow "add on" kits of specific sizes for those of us who would like extras for our preferred layouts without stockpiling keys we won't use?
Just a suggestion, and one that seems plausible given the way they've handled kits in previous drops.
MOQ sets the limits here. If i make addons more specific then guess they will not hit the moq.
Well these kits are building up on already droped base set, which is kinda unfortunate but there is no way around it. Next drop (if there will be one) will be ofcourse very different. I will build it up in modules with alphas as base module.
Post by: nugglets on Thu, 06 October 2016, 16:57:39
So like:
GMK Carbon Spacebar Kit: (1)
Addon: Additional 6.25 Spacebar
So relatively the same number of base sets will sell, ensuring MOQ is met for things like the VE.A spacebars.
But it also allows users to add extras of certain sizes without buying a second set of every size.
Massdrop have done similar things in the past, so I know their system could do it.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 06 October 2016, 17:06:33
What I mean is that you would keep the spacebar kit as is. Then when you buy the current spacebar kit, have an option to add additional spacebars in a specific size.
So like:
GMK Carbon Spacebar Kit: (1)
Addon: Additional 6.25 Spacebar
So relatively the same number of base sets will sell, ensuring MOQ is met for things like the VE.A spacebars.
But it also allows users to add extras of certain sizes without buying a second set of every size.
Massdrop have done similar things in the past, so I know their system could do it.
I'll pass your suggetion further but i do not promise this to happen.
Post by: nugglets on Thu, 06 October 2016, 17:29:38
What I mean is that you would keep the spacebar kit as is. Then when you buy the current spacebar kit, have an option to add additional spacebars in a specific size.
So like:
GMK Carbon Spacebar Kit: (1)
Addon: Additional 6.25 Spacebar
So relatively the same number of base sets will sell, ensuring MOQ is met for things like the VE.A spacebars.
But it also allows users to add extras of certain sizes without buying a second set of every size.
Massdrop have done similar things in the past, so I know their system could do it.
I'll pass your suggetion further but i do not promise this to happen.
Thanks =)
I understand it's not completely under your control, just was a suggestion to try and get the best of both. Either way I'll be buying the addons and I thank you very much for all the time and effort you've put into this! =)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 06 October 2016, 17:32:09
What I mean is that you would keep the spacebar kit as is. Then when you buy the current spacebar kit, have an option to add additional spacebars in a specific size.
So like:
GMK Carbon Spacebar Kit: (1)
Addon: Additional 6.25 Spacebar
So relatively the same number of base sets will sell, ensuring MOQ is met for things like the VE.A spacebars.
But it also allows users to add extras of certain sizes without buying a second set of every size.
Massdrop have done similar things in the past, so I know their system could do it.
Ok we did some brainstorming and let me explain following in case we offer that option:
Its obvious people will group up just only for specific spacebar sizes. Say you got 20 friends who want just the 6.25u spacebar. You bought into spacebar kit and you ordered extra x amount of 6.25u spacebars for you friends. Now that will backfire badly. Moq will not hit and nobody will get their spacebars. Thats recipe for a failure :/ Its not wise to do so.
In the end this is still sort of group buy and the point of group buy is, to help each other to get things happen. VEA Van and etc. users help you and you help them.
It is really not about bothering you with keys you dont need, its more about moq and only moq.
Post by: WCO1 on Thu, 06 October 2016, 17:43:38
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 06 October 2016, 17:51:34
Even I'm considering to buy one just for that R4 \| - there are already R1/R3 \|'s, but for some reason I fancy the R4 too :)
The extra spacebars idea was brilliant, but the MoQ hack would indeed bust it - tho, I think the base set can easily sell 150+ in the case of spacebars, a lot of people buy unique spacebars, so people who didn't join Carbon will buy spacebars too, hell, I recently bought 5+ unique spacebars from Originative, and I can't even use a non-alpha colour spacebar yet
Post by: nugglets on Thu, 06 October 2016, 17:57:33
What I mean is that you would keep the spacebar kit as is. Then when you buy the current spacebar kit, have an option to add additional spacebars in a specific size.
So like:
GMK Carbon Spacebar Kit: (1)
Addon: Additional 6.25 Spacebar
So relatively the same number of base sets will sell, ensuring MOQ is met for things like the VE.A spacebars.
But it also allows users to add extras of certain sizes without buying a second set of every size.
Massdrop have done similar things in the past, so I know their system could do it.
Ok we did some brainstorming and let me explain following in case we offer that option:
Its obvious people will group up just only for specific spacebar sizes. Say you got 20 friends who want just the 6.25u spacebar. You bought into spacebar kit and you ordered extra x amount of 6.25u spacebars for you friends. Now that will backfire badly. Moq will not hit and nobody will get their spacebars. Thats recipe for a failure :/ Its not wise to do so.
In the end this is still sort of group buy and the point of group buy is, to help each other to get things happen. VEA Van and etc. users help you and you help them.
It is really not about bothering you with keys you dont need, its more about moq and only moq.
I mean, that's a pretty extreme case and you could easily limit the number available per order.
Post by: Jedi on Thu, 06 October 2016, 20:07:41
Post by: ideus on Thu, 06 October 2016, 20:15:17
i am human
I disagree. No mortal human comes up with sets this awesome!
Any chance the standard sized spacebars can get broken out? I'd love to pick up a couple extra of those, but I don't really need a whole stockpile of the small ones. Might not be possible if this it what it takes to reach MOQ, but just a thought.
+1
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 06 October 2016, 20:59:05
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 06 October 2016, 21:02:22
do we seriously need a massdrop novelty key
haha, made me laugh good
I guess they don't want to be left out
I only fancy the GMK novelty, tho, the GH and r/m/k ones are pretty original too
Post by: ideus on Thu, 06 October 2016, 21:06:32
do we seriously need a massdrop novelty key
MD does need it and you have to pay for it. Shame on you for asking such an insensitive question.
:p
Post by: jackie321304 on Thu, 06 October 2016, 21:55:40
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 06 October 2016, 22:01:02
Do that mean you will start the next GB with the novelties, space bar... etc options? Or its only for the ppl who purchase the GMK carbon earlier?
99.9999999999% everyone, limiting it to Carbon buyers would be highly illogical, since moq is the common enemy
Post by: jackie321304 on Thu, 06 October 2016, 22:12:14
Do that mean you will start the next GB with the novelties, space bar... etc options? Or its only for the ppl who purchase the GMK carbon earlier?
99.9999999999% everyone, limiting it to Carbon buyers would be highly illogical, since moq is the common enemy
:) I hope so too. Miss the GB last time. But I guess new GB probably have to wait until Dec or next year and receive it around June lol.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 07 October 2016, 00:10:09
do we seriously need a massdrop novelty key
It will definitely not hurt. Or does something speaks against it? I know some community members struggle with MD for what ever reasons. But MD is a part of the Community. And time to time they offer very good deals. For example GMK Carbon base set for 99$. Other community sets are far more expensive. Deal with it.
Do that mean you will start the next GB with the novelties, space bar... etc options? Or its only for the ppl who purchase the GMK carbon earlier?
Just want to clarify. There will be no drop for the base set. Those are just addons for GMK Carbon. However you can use these in combinations with other sets.
Post by: maximm on Fri, 07 October 2016, 01:07:40
Post by: Gatix on Fri, 07 October 2016, 01:09:35
What will the MOQ be for the sets?
It's 150 for GMK
Post by: fax668 on Fri, 07 October 2016, 03:11:01
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 07 October 2016, 04:04:42
Hmm, I was thinking that I would pick up the international set once it drops and then hope that MD would drop the base set (which I missed) again around Christmas/New Year. But now it sounds like I would better not do anything before the next drop? But then I might run the risk that an international add-on would not meet MOQ?
It's folly in this market to hold out on it. There's no indication of Carbon R2 being ran any time soon. If you want the set, get the international kit and pick up Carbon base kit on the aftermarket. Don't wait for R2 to drop because you will be left hanging for a long time
Post by: ideus on Fri, 07 October 2016, 08:14:02
(http://i.imgur.com/CcJ3ec9.jpg)
Post by: Jedi on Fri, 07 October 2016, 08:22:48
There is a DT novelty mold already with an icon that is more similar to the DT logo.
Is this DT logo approved for free use? Does T0mb3ry need permission from anyone to use it, if so, who?
Post by: ideus on Fri, 07 October 2016, 08:28:35
There is a DT novelty mold already with an icon that is more similar to the DT logo.
Is this DT logo approved for free use? Does T0mb3ry need permission from anyone to use it, if so, who?
The first kit that included it was leaded by Wodan, he may write to him to check its availability. Wodan is a very approachable fellow.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 07 October 2016, 11:30:18
There is a DT novelty mold already with an icon that is more similar to the DT logo.
Is this DT logo approved for free use? Does T0mb3ry need permission from anyone to use it, if so, who?
The first kit that included it was leaded by Wodan, he may write to him to check its availability. Wodan is a very approachable fellow.
Afaik the rights for that DT logo are owned by DT Club. I've asked for permission but didn't get one. So no DT logo. Afaik Wodan is DT Club member.
Post by: pinkeyedcyclops on Fri, 07 October 2016, 11:47:08
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 07 October 2016, 12:28:08
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 08 October 2016, 01:18:18
Too bad they didn't reply our prince
Post by: ntw on Tue, 11 October 2016, 21:44:59
Post by: simonyunhe on Tue, 11 October 2016, 22:14:44
sorry I can't go back few pages of discussion to check but I just want to know what is the latest expected delivery date?Based on MD, end of this month.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 12 October 2016, 02:34:38
sorry I can't go back few pages of discussion to check but I just want to know what is the latest expected delivery date?Porbably end of this month or next month. You need to understand that the quantities are quite higher than usual. During my visit at GMK, Carbon was already 4 weeks in production and by that time they had almost base set ready. They need also to produce the novelties. Just giving you the insight about the dimensions.
Post by: wodan on Wed, 12 October 2016, 03:50:04
Very happy to see the international kit is still living. Anything I can do to help here?
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 12 October 2016, 06:06:18
Post by: richard912 on Wed, 12 October 2016, 23:02:42
As long as we can get it before X'mas, all is goodsorry I can't go back few pages of discussion to check but I just want to know what is the latest expected delivery date?Porbably end of this month or next month. You need to understand that the quantities are quite higher than usual. During my visit at GMK, Carbon was already 4 weeks in production and by that time they had almost base set ready. They need also to produce the novelties. Just giving you the insight about the dimensions.
Post by: ntw on Wed, 12 October 2016, 23:50:20
As long as we can get it before X'mas, all is goodsorry I can't go back few pages of discussion to check but I just want to know what is the latest expected delivery date?Porbably end of this month or next month. You need to understand that the quantities are quite higher than usual. During my visit at GMK, Carbon was already 4 weeks in production and by that time they had almost base set ready. They need also to produce the novelties. Just giving you the insight about the dimensions.
nice Christmas present for ourselves!!
Post by: Jumie on Thu, 13 October 2016, 01:14:40
Post by: kawasaki161 on Thu, 13 October 2016, 01:41:38
which keyboards are using 6u spacebar?
Some (or all, idk) Cherry 1800's use the 6u space. Source: I have a modern 1800 with 6u space. There are probably more, but that is the only one that comes to mind right now.
If they were center-stemmed you could also use them on Blackwidows *shrugs* or Novatouched Topre boards. But they are not center stemmed :thumb:
Post by: simonyunhe on Thu, 13 October 2016, 19:02:21
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161014/15f159be881a9a737776840bc8129b0f.jpg)
Post by: Jumie on Thu, 13 October 2016, 21:44:37
Post by: gaiden on Thu, 13 October 2016, 22:31:35
Wuuttt... I regret not to buy it without tray nowWas there an option for no tray?
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Post by: wodan on Fri, 14 October 2016, 01:46:57
Was there an option for no tray?
There was an option FOR the tray, you had to explicitly pick it. +5$ I think.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 18 October 2016, 00:43:55
Saw this on Reddit. Wow, that package!Show Image(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161014/15f159be881a9a737776840bc8129b0f.jpg)
Kicking myself for not getting a tray with my order. :(
Post by: richard912 on Tue, 18 October 2016, 00:45:47
Post by: KHAANNN on Tue, 18 October 2016, 00:50:22
Paying 20% customs probably would have been better than getting keycaps with scratches on them :(
Tho, since I have 3 sets, 3*(+20% + 5$) might not have been worth it
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 18 October 2016, 01:49:36
I didn't order a tray so the keycaps have a smaller footprint, but I regret it too, or rather, I wish we lived in a world without customs
Paying 20% customs probably would have been better than getting keycaps with scratches on them :(
Tho, since I have 3 sets, 3*(+20% + 5$) might not have been worth it
Is customs based on footprints in your country? Massdrop does declare the amount you paid as the value anyways, so in my case it didn't make a lot of difference since it only adds the $5 for the tray and $0,95 because of the increased value for customs.
Post by: Pwner on Tue, 18 October 2016, 01:54:50
Saw this on Reddit. Wow, that package!Show Image(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161014/15f159be881a9a737776840bc8129b0f.jpg)
Kicking myself for not getting a tray with my order. :(
Kicking myself for not getting an order. :(
Post by: KHAANNN on Tue, 18 October 2016, 02:00:15
I didn't order a tray so the keycaps have a smaller footprint, but I regret it too, or rather, I wish we lived in a world without customs
Paying 20% customs probably would have been better than getting keycaps with scratches on them :(
Tho, since I have 3 sets, 3*(+20% + 5$) might not have been worth it
Is customs based on footprints in your country? Massdrop does declare the amount you paid as the value anyways, so in my case it didn't make a lot of difference since it only adds the $5 for the tray and $0,95 because of the increased value for customs.
They don't like hassle, they don't like big stuff
When you put a lot of stuff in a small box, it's less hassle, low declaration, no tax
If the box is huge, they would be obliged to hold it
So far so good for me, but I hate the process
Post by: wodan on Tue, 18 October 2016, 02:12:22
Had one situation where they didn't close the package properly after inspection. That got me pretty mad ...
Getting sidetracked, sorryyyyy
Hope Carbon hits soon, maybe we can put together a NORDE kit GB then.
Post by: pon10 on Tue, 18 October 2016, 02:42:22
I think I ordered too much hydrogen peroxide for keycap brighting ... basically EVERY package I get is opened. Sometimes I even see the customs officers notes on the packaging list. So funny when they try to match the packaging list items to stuff in the box.
Had one situation where they didn't close the package properly after inspection. That got me pretty mad ...
Getting sidetracked, sorryyyyy
Hope Carbon hits soon, maybe we can put together a NORDE kit GB then.
I am really hoping for a "norde" kit to!!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 18 October 2016, 03:09:54
You can expect the kits(iso, spacebars and community kit) to drop in the upcoming days. All those kits will drop at the same time :)
You need to be a little bit patiently ;)
Post by: wodan on Tue, 18 October 2016, 03:26:42
Post by: FoC_Tow on Tue, 18 October 2016, 06:44:56
Post by: richard912 on Tue, 18 October 2016, 09:29:55
I am still in hospital, however i got in touch with Yanbo.Oh, I hope you get better soon!
You can expect the kits(iso, spacebars and community kit) to drop in the upcoming days. All those kits will drop at the same time :)
You need to be a little bit patiently ;)
Post by: shangrila500 on Sat, 22 October 2016, 21:06:49
I am still in hospital, however i got in touch with Yanbo.
You can expect the kits(iso, spacebars and community kit) to drop in the upcoming days. All those kits will drop at the same time :)
You need to be a little bit patiently ;)
Do you know where they will they drop at? I want to know where to keep an eye out!
I hope you get better soon!
Post by: Locnguyen1507 on Sun, 23 October 2016, 00:37:25
Post by: Emperor_Nero on Sun, 23 October 2016, 02:12:08
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 23 October 2016, 05:20:08
Could we see more pictures from it up to now... Too curious tho!
Dont have proper equipment right now.
But since it will take a while me to get some, i made some pics with cameras i have. So do not expect good quality and in photography i am also pretty beginner...
Keep in mind here in Germany we got like no sun almost, despite that i used the natural light for taking these photos.
With my mobile:
(http://i.imgur.com/T2dORNN.jpg)
Its very dark.
A camera with some light correction.
(http://i.imgur.com/EbmIT2a.jpg)
Better but the modifiers are lighter. In person Carbon gray is very balanced. However on photos its very dark.
SA and GMK Carbon with higher ISO under very bad light conditions. Bad light conditions + that equipment is the cause of that bad noisy photos.
(http://i.imgur.com/aQEZok5.jpg)
Anyway dont take these pics as reference. In person it looks better.
Post by: KHAANNN on Sun, 23 October 2016, 05:27:21
But these pictures almost made me cry, so beautiful, such harmony, and those alphas ... a dream come true
Also thanks again for the bumped F/J's - It was probably a first in GMK GB History, adding keycaps at that stage <3
Post by: richard912 on Sun, 23 October 2016, 07:51:20
I'm an extreme critic myself, I honestly didn't think very highly of Carbon SA in the early days, mainly because Gaming/CS isn't my thing, and I assumed it was mainly aimed at CS players, the colorway didn't swoop me off my feet either, everyone has their own tastesI always love those SA alphas
But these pictures almost made me cry, so beautiful, such harmony, and those alphas ... a dream come true
Also thanks again for the bumped F/J's - It was probably a first in GMK GB History, adding keycaps at that stage <3
Post by: KHAANNN on Sun, 23 October 2016, 07:55:05
Post by: duynguyenle on Sun, 23 October 2016, 09:51:03
SA is a Behemoth tho, while they are majestic, I find them hard to use
SA is good to look at, GMK is good for actually typing
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 23 October 2016, 10:00:19
Post by: KHAANNN on Sun, 23 October 2016, 10:04:18
There is nothing wrong with SA profile. The switches are the issue. Its not made for MX switches. You will get far better experience with SA on topre.
They could have recessed the stem a bit tho, it would improve the sound and reduce the height, in my opinion
Flush stems are ~ok on DSA's, but on SA's, the height is just too much
I wonder whether they wisely made them flush for costar stabs, but even costar stabs could handle at least 2-3mm of reduction
This is also probably a problem of our generation tho, we are used to the comfort of low profile typing, it seems, back in the day, typing was a hefty process too
Post by: MandrewDavis on Sun, 23 October 2016, 19:37:25
Also, I'm in on all the GMK Carbon kits so far, but an orange spacebar would look sweet on my GMK unicorn vomit Dolch Pac.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 24 October 2016, 07:30:07
There is nothing wrong with SA profile. The switches are the issue. Its not made for MX switches. You will get far better experience with SA on topre.
They could have recessed the stem a bit tho, it would improve the sound and reduce the height, in my opinion
Flush stems are ~ok on DSA's, but on SA's, the height is just too much
I wonder whether they wisely made them flush for costar stabs, but even costar stabs could handle at least 2-3mm of reduction
This is also probably a problem of our generation tho, we are used to the comfort of low profile typing, it seems, back in the day, typing was a hefty process too
Do you mean that having better input devices is a "problem"? Well, live to see. It seems that now, not being able to use a key cap design, more fitted for card punching machines, is a problem of our generation.
Post by: My_Thoughts on Mon, 24 October 2016, 14:15:11
I am still in hospital, however i got in touch with Yanbo.
You can expect the kits(iso, spacebars and community kit) to drop in the upcoming days. All those kits will drop at the same time :)
You need to be a little bit patiently ;)
Where will they be available?
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 24 October 2016, 14:18:30
I am still in hospital, however i got in touch with Yanbo.
You can expect the kits(iso, spacebars and community kit) to drop in the upcoming days. All those kits will drop at the same time :)
You need to be a little bit patiently ;)
Where will they be available?
Considering Carbon was available through Massdrop and Yanbo (the person referenced in that post you quoted) is Massdrop's rep for the Mechanical Keyboard community I'd say... Massdrop?
Post by: My_Thoughts on Tue, 25 October 2016, 09:50:58
I am still in hospital, however i got in touch with Yanbo.
You can expect the kits(iso, spacebars and community kit) to drop in the upcoming days. All those kits will drop at the same time :)
You need to be a little bit patiently ;)
Where will they be available?
Considering Carbon was available through Massdrop and Yanbo (the person referenced in that post you quoted) is Massdrop's rep for the Mechanical Keyboard community I'd say... Massdrop?
Thanks :)
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 25 October 2016, 18:54:45
Post by: richard912 on Tue, 25 October 2016, 21:53:29
MD just posted an update that it's on its way to america, expected to arrive in their warehouse on November 3rd. Time to get excited!Yay!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 29 October 2016, 07:20:59
(http://i.imgur.com/OlDDLuS.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/dA1YNMU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6qzg6ge.jpg)
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 29 October 2016, 07:35:44
Post by: chuckdee on Sat, 29 October 2016, 07:50:24
Post by: boo on Sat, 29 October 2016, 16:58:08
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Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 29 October 2016, 18:04:10
Let's hope we can have a happily ever after too, without any shipping issues etc.
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 29 October 2016, 18:06:39
I really really enjoyed our journey so far
Let's hope we can have a happily ever after too, without any shipping issues etc.
quoting so that i can quote it again when the inevitable issues happen
Post by: ideus on Sat, 29 October 2016, 21:32:23
I really really enjoyed our journey so far
Let's hope we can have a happily ever after too, without any shipping issues etc.
quoting so that i can quote it again when the inevitable issues happen
That is an ugly behavior, it is as if someone is getting ready to put the full guilty of something on someone else, well in advance.
Post by: KHAANNN on Sat, 29 October 2016, 21:38:13
What I'm saying is, the keyset is beautiful, let's hope we don't experience another Massdrop drama, and possibly prepare for it and don't get affected morally too much
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 30 October 2016, 02:43:06
As i have already received one set, in general its speaks up to GMK quality. There is nothing wrong with it. Sure some users may find some nuances which kinda could be done better but otherall its great, its high quality and for that price its awesome. Keep in mind GMK and Massdrop take this drop quite very seriously. You can see it just on the banderole which was done as extra just for this drop.
In regards of light bleeding. Just was curious and tested it. I've tested 1.75u shift key and 1.25u key and there was no light bleed.
So everything will be fine ;)
Post by: luckyryan333 on Sun, 30 October 2016, 06:02:00
In regards of light bleeding. Just was curious and tested it. I've tested 1.75u shift key and 1.25u key and there was now light bleed.
So everything will be fine ;)
You mean there was NOT light bleed, was there?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 30 October 2016, 06:48:33
In regards of light bleeding. Just was curious and tested it. I've tested 1.75u shift key and 1.25u key and there was now light bleed.
So everything will be fine ;)
You mean there was NOT light bleed, was there?
It was a typo. Sure. There is no light bleed in regards of my set. Hope its the same for all the other sets.
Post by: luckyryan333 on Sun, 30 October 2016, 10:14:31
Post by: luckyryan333 on Sun, 30 October 2016, 10:15:16
In regards of light bleeding. Just was curious and tested it. I've tested 1.75u shift key and 1.25u key and there was now light bleed.
So everything will be fine ;)
You mean there was NOT light bleed, was there?
It was a typo. Sure. There is no light bleed in regards of my set. Hope its the same for all the other sets.
Thanks for the clarification. ;)
Post by: need on Mon, 31 October 2016, 00:11:46
What keyboard is this ? The layout seems perfect.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6qzg6ge.jpg)
Post by: luckyryan333 on Mon, 31 October 2016, 00:51:22
What keyboard is this ? The layout seems perfect.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6qzg6ge.jpg)
Octagon v2
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 31 October 2016, 21:13:47
Post by: simonyunhe on Mon, 31 October 2016, 22:03:54
My Ergodox Set is shipping! :)Cool! I thought this will happened until November 3rd. Can't wait to see my Base+Novelty.
Post by: shangrila500 on Mon, 31 October 2016, 22:28:54
My Ergodox Set is shipping! :)
ame here! I was hoping to get my base, novelty, and Ergodox/Planck set all at once but I guess since the Ergodox/Planck set had much lower numbers they were able to sort and ship it much faster.
I wonder if Massdrop has already received the base and novelty sets as well and started sorting them too. It's odd that the Ergo/Planck kit is shipping out before the others when it was the last kit being done from what I understood, I had thought it'd be the last to ship. It would be a great surprise to find they'd shipped all 3 kits together but I know better than that!
Post by: braidn on Tue, 01 November 2016, 13:02:29
My Ergodox Set is shipping! :)
Same here as well. Extremely psyched to pair this with Skeletor/Hyperfuse alphas.
Post by: KHAANNN on Tue, 01 November 2016, 13:09:42
My Ergodox Set is shipping! :)
Same here as well. Extremely psyched to pair this with Skeletor/Hyperfuse alphas.
Can't wait for the pictures :)
Post by: nugglets on Tue, 01 November 2016, 15:35:35
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 01 November 2016, 22:50:19
Just got notification for the Novelties, hopefully the base set isn't far behind. :thumb:
Me too!!
Post by: nightdriver on Wed, 02 November 2016, 00:30:33
Post by: Cotay on Wed, 02 November 2016, 01:57:09
man, between this, hyperfuse, and skeletor... almost GMK overload!
I keep hearing that recent months have been big for GMK sets. Unfortunately for me, I just discovered this hobby a month or so ago and had no idea what to buy; I've been educating myself and recently completed my first build on a Orange Tric. This GMK Carbon would have been sweet! I sure hope it comes around again.
Post by: Dominathan on Wed, 02 November 2016, 02:23:04
I keep hearing that recent months have been big for GMK sets. Unfortunately for me, I just discovered this hobby a month or so ago and had no idea what to buy; I've been educating myself and recently completed my first build on a Orange Tric. This GMK Carbon would have been sweet! I sure hope it comes around again.
You may be able to score a set from people wanting to sell them soon. They're about to ship.
Post by: mll8394 on Wed, 02 November 2016, 08:59:43
Post by: wodan on Thu, 03 November 2016, 02:59:13
As a result, we can get pretty damn good coverage of DE, UK, NO, SE and DK with just 35 additional keys. It's possible to reduce this further to just ~30 keys if required by dropping the Q@, E€, Mµ, '?, 4¤ keys.
(http://i.imgur.com/W4Fwd5P.png)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 03 November 2016, 03:40:24
Invested some time into putting together a "essentials" ISO-International kit, trying my best to visualize how well eight different ISO locales are covered.
As a result, we can get pretty damn good coverage of DE, UK, NO, SE and DK with just 35 additional keys. It's possible to reduce this further to just ~30 keys if required by dropping the Q@, E€, Mµ, '?, 4¤ keys.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/W4Fwd5P.png)
Already submitted iso kit as following:
(http://i.imgur.com/sb1ofww.png)
Though i dont think the 4 or 5 keys will be the deal breaker. Its actually very good for usage in a professional environment. The biggest thing is just to break the moq and after that its just peanuts.
The kits will be available during GMK Carbon shipping. Say current or next week.
Post by: wodan on Thu, 03 November 2016, 03:45:31
I was hoping to build something that designers of keycap sets can include in their GMK base kit for <25$ markup and open their set to many international layouts.
Post by: pomk on Thu, 03 November 2016, 03:54:47
The kits will be available during GMK Carbon shipping. Say current or next week.Any plan on having the main kit up for grabs as well, or if some vendor is getting a large enough order so that the 150 people getting this norde set could possibly get the main set as well somehow? Finding base sets for 150 norde kits from the aftermarket at a reasonable price worries me.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 03 November 2016, 03:56:50
Carbon can hit MOQ with a fat NORDE kit ... no doubt :)
I was hoping to build something that designers of keycap sets can include in their GMK base kit for <25$ markup and open their set to many international layouts.
Yeah i get it. You need some pricing quotes from GMK in this regard. I think there are always hidden costs. However such ISO kit and under 25 bucks is ofcourse very helpfull for designers.
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 03 November 2016, 03:57:40
Since when the set launches, everyone is like, "noooooo I missed it", or like, "where can I buy this, I'm new to this community"
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 03 November 2016, 04:02:40
The kits will be available during GMK Carbon shipping. Say current or next week.Any plan on having the main kit up for grabs as well, or if some vendor is getting a large enough order so that the 150 people getting this norde set could possibly get the main set as well somehow? Finding base sets for 150 norde kits from the aftermarket at a reasonable price worries me.
Unfortunately this is not going to happen. Maybe MD will have some Base Sets for Bazaar but i do not think so. In any case you dont have to worry about pricings. Because mechmarket will be flooded with GMK Carbon first week. But with time the price will rise. So the rule is just the sooner the cheaper.
Keep in mind there are many flippers. Its not going to be rare. Also Base set was sold 1956 times.
Post by: pomk on Thu, 03 November 2016, 04:05:44
OK! I will participate in the norde buy after I secure a base kit from the aftermarket! :thumb:The kits will be available during GMK Carbon shipping. Say current or next week.Any plan on having the main kit up for grabs as well, or if some vendor is getting a large enough order so that the 150 people getting this norde set could possibly get the main set as well somehow? Finding base sets for 150 norde kits from the aftermarket at a reasonable price worries me.
Unfortunately this is not going to happen. Maybe MD will have some Base Sets for Bazaar but i do not think so. In any case you dont have to worry about pricings. Because mechmarket will be flooded with GMK Carbon first week. But with time the price will rise. So the rule is just the sooner the cheaper.
Keep in mind there are many flippers. Its not going to be rare. Also Base set was sold 1956 times.
Post by: nugglets on Thu, 03 November 2016, 04:07:49
Also Base set was sold 1956 times.
This still blows me away. I always knew this set would be popular, it's an amazing combination.
But nearly two thousand base sets for GMK? Completely freaking nuts.
Can't wait to get my hands on mine. Soon™
Post by: Cotay on Fri, 04 November 2016, 04:16:43
I keep hearing that recent months have been big for GMK sets. Unfortunately for me, I just discovered this hobby a month or so ago and had no idea what to buy; I've been educating myself and recently completed my first build on a Orange Tric. This GMK Carbon would have been sweet! I sure hope it comes around again.
You may be able to score a set from people wanting to sell them soon. They're about to ship.
Thanks! I'll do just that!
Post by: Giorgio on Fri, 04 November 2016, 09:12:57
GMK is Cherry profile, correct? I may be interested.How does one amass 978 posts and not know the answer to this? :))
how does one have a picture from a porn site as his profile image???? :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D
Post by: feediko on Fri, 04 November 2016, 11:46:14
Invested some time into putting together a "essentials" ISO-International kit, trying my best to visualize how well eight different ISO locales are covered.
As a result, we can get pretty damn good coverage of DE, UK, NO, SE and DK with just 35 additional keys. It's possible to reduce this further to just ~30 keys if required by dropping the Q@, E€, Mµ, '?, 4¤ keys.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/W4Fwd5P.png)
Already submitted iso kit as following:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sb1ofww.png)
Though i dont think the 4 or 5 keys will be the deal breaker. Its actually very good for usage in a professional environment. The biggest thing is just to break the moq and after that its just peanuts.
The kits will be available during GMK Carbon shipping. Say current or next week.
shouldn't the the last < > key in R4 have a | pipe instead of a \ backslash? Or is that a different key that is missing?
Post by: soilheart on Fri, 04 November 2016, 12:15:11
shouldn't the the last < > key in R4 have a | pipe instead of a \ backslash? Or is that a different key that is missing?
Take a look at the base set ;-)
Post by: Trouhel on Fri, 04 November 2016, 16:49:45
I computed, using my own keycaps database, the 78 keycaps to be added to the US ANSI alphanumeric kit to cover the following additional languages: DE, UK, SE, NO, DK, IT, ES, PT and came up with the following differences with wodan's graphical representation (posted above), and came up with the following differences:
(1) R1 3 · # es(E03) instead of R1 3 # es(E03). cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#Spanish: "some characters required only for typing Catalan and Occitan ... the interpunct (punt volat/punt interior, used in l·l, n·h, s·h; located at Shift-3". Also note that tere is no latin keyboard that comes with R1 3 #.
(2) R2 E € es(D03) instead of R2 E es(D03). cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#Spanish : "On most keyboards, € is marked as Alt Gr + E and not Alt Gr + 5 as shown in the image. However, in some keyboards, € is found marked twice". This suggests that R1 5 % € se(E05),it(E05),es(E05) could be dispensed with, as R2 E € se(D03),it(D03),es(D03) are also present.
May I add my own remark about building a minimal international ISO kit: I would not go for a set of keycaps that does not contain all glyphs needed both for typing in a given language and for arithmetics and coding in the commonly used computing idioms.
That is, I require at least, on the one hand, all upper (or lower) case letters without diacritics, diacritics (dead keys), if any, when all of their occurences in the given languages are not provided by single letter+diacritic glyghs, and punctuation marks; on the other hand all digits, arithmetic operators, and additional glyphs require for coding.
The latter amounts to the following 30 non-alphabetic glyphs (sorted by ASCII codes):
! " # $ % ( ) [ ] & ' * + , - / ; < = > ? @ \ ^ _ ` { | } ~
where | may well be displayed as ¦ on a keycap.
When computed following the above rules, and using only keycaps already defined in standard national layouts, I came up with a set of 43 additional keycaps needed to cover UK, DE, SE, NO and DK. Then, with the aim is to provide a set of keycaps suitable for typing in the above five languages, SE/NO/DK can be covered using the SE layout (which is actually is a SE/FI layout), since this is the closest nordic layout to the DE layout and the one usually provided by major manufacturers (Realforce, Filco, Poker), plus the two additional alphabetic keycaps (R3 Ø and R3 Æ) in both the DK and the NO layout. The total number of keycaps is thus brought down to the following 36 keycaps:
R1 ˆ ° de(E00)
R1 2 " ² de(E02), R1 2 " uk(E02) being a possible alternative
R1 3 § ³ de(E03), R1 3 # £ se(E03),no(E03),dk(E03) being a possible alternative
R1 6 & de(E06),se(E06)
R1 7 / { de(E07),se(E07)
R1 8 ( [ de(E08),se(E08)
R1 9 ) ] de(E09),se(E09)
R1 0 = } de(E10),se(E10)
R1 ß ? \ de(E11)
R1 ´ ` de(E12),se(E12)
R2 Q @ de(D01)
R2 Z de(D06)
R2 Ü de(D11)
R2 + * ~ de(D12)
R3 Ö de(C10),se(C10)
R3 Ä de(C11),se(C11)
R3 # ' de(C12)
R4 < > | de(B00),se(B00)
R4 Y de(B01)
R4 , ; de(B08),se(B08)
R4 . : de(B09),se(B09)
R4 - _ de(B10),se(B10)
R1 ` ¬ ¦ uk(E00)
R1 3 £ uk(E03)
R3 ' @ uk(C11)
R3 # ~ uk(C12)
R4 \ | uk(B00)
R1 § ½ se(E00)
R1 2 " @ se(E02)
R1 4 ¤ $ se(E04)
R1 + ? \ se(E11)
R2 Å se(D11)
R2 ¨ ˆ ~ se(D12)
R3 ' * se(C12)
R3 Ø no(C10),dk(C11)
R3 Æ no(C11),dk(C10)
Which differs from wodan's 35 keycaps proposal by adding R1 ^ °, R1 § ½, and R1 ` ¬ ¦, plus having R1 2 " ² (for full DE coverage and consistency with the next keycap) instead of 2 " (which is thus missing from my UK kit), R1 3 § ³ instead of R1 3 § (which does not exist in any latin keyboard that I know of), E (standard ANSI) instead of E € (assuming everyone well knows € is AltGR+E anyway), and R2 M (standard ANSI) instead of M µ.
I hope some future day a designer would also add the following 7 keycaps, to provide for easier typing in spanish, portuguese and french by switching a few keycaps and using custom layouts (ca stands for the French Canadian layout):
R3 Ñ es(C10)
R3 Ç pt(C10), to be also used as es(C12), which the standard defines as R3 Ç }
R2 Ç ca(D12)
R3 È ca(C11)
R3 À ca(C12)
R4 Ù ca(B00)
R4 É ca(B10)
Hope this opens way to further discussion. Meanwhile, I guess non-British/German/Nordic users will have to stick to either ANSI US-International or ISO custom layouts (I plan to build mine on the UK layout based on keyboards+keycaps availability+costs consideration).
Post by: pon10 on Sat, 05 November 2016, 01:04:20
Re-launching a set at exactly the launch time is actually pretty logical ;)
Since when the set launches, everyone is like, "noooooo I missed it", or like, "where can I buy this, I'm new to this community"
I get your drift! As a newcomer to this community it can be hard to scroll endless pages, follow up on post on varies GB sites. where drops only last a couple of weeks or so, making money at the same time to pay for it all :) But After doing so and learning fast i sincerely have great respect for all the good people that are making all these awesome sets to see the light on the keyboard!! We are out there supporting!! Long live ISO, NORDIC :cool:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 05 November 2016, 07:50:32
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 05 November 2016, 08:25:02
Once the International, Spacebars and Community kits drop, i will close this thread. I did not made a GB thread, because i was still working on the last kits. So this was kind a IC and GB at the same time :))
Can't wait to get International kits!
Also, Carbon SA R2 :)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 05 November 2016, 08:36:08
Once the International, Spacebars and Community kits drop, i will close this thread. I did not made a GB thread, because i was still working on the last kits. So this was kind a IC and GB at the same time :))
Can't wait to get International kits!
Also, Carbon SA R2 :)
I will not start any other projects as long as i am not done with Yuri. Yuri Round 1 will be latin only, since i dont know if GMK is willing to upgrade their tooling for trippleshot. Even if they do, the upgrade itself will take around 12 months to complete. I hope Yuri drops in the beginning of 2017. Keep in mind, i do have no knowledge about MD's schedule plans.
After Yuri i'll start working on Carbon SA R2.
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 05 November 2016, 08:49:26
Once the International, Spacebars and Community kits drop, i will close this thread. I did not made a GB thread, because i was still working on the last kits. So this was kind a IC and GB at the same time :))
Can't wait to get International kits!
Also, Carbon SA R2 :)
I will not start any other projects as long as i am not done with Yuri. Yuri Round 1 will be latin only, since i dont know if GMK is willing to upgrade their tooling for trippleshot. Even if they do, the upgrade itself will take around 12 months to complete. I hope Yuri drops in the beginning of 2017. Keep in mind, i do have no knowledge about MD's schedule plans.
After Yuri i'll start working on Carbon SA R2.
I'm in for Latin Yuri too ;)
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 05 November 2016, 09:37:29
I will not start any other projects as long as i am not done with Yuri. Yuri Round 1 will be latin only, since i dont know if GMK is willing to upgrade their tooling for trippleshot. Even if they do, the upgrade itself will take around 12 months to complete. I hope Yuri drops in the beginning of 2017. Keep in mind, i do have no knowledge about MD's schedule plans.
After Yuri i'll start working on Carbon SA R2.
I'm guessing running a separate kit for Cyrillic only will be practically impossible through GMK correct? I'm in for latin of course but I'd love a Cyrillic alphas alternative kit, maybe if you do Yuri in SA for round 2 that could happen. ^-^
Post by: thelaughingman on Sat, 05 November 2016, 09:57:20
Post by: ticktwo on Sat, 05 November 2016, 10:20:13
Post by: Giorgio on Sat, 05 November 2016, 13:20:37
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0
Post by: MandrewDavis on Sat, 05 November 2016, 14:00:30
Once the International, Spacebars and Community kits drop, i will close this thread. I did not made a GB thread, because i was still working on the last kits. So this was kind a IC and GB at the same time :))
Can't wait to get International kits!
Also, Carbon SA R2 :)
I will not start any other projects as long as i am not done with Yuri. Yuri Round 1 will be latin only, since i dont know if GMK is willing to upgrade their tooling for trippleshot. Even if they do, the upgrade itself will take around 12 months to complete. I hope Yuri drops in the beginning of 2017. Keep in mind, i do have no knowledge about MD's schedule plans.
After Yuri i'll start working on Carbon SA R2.
GMK Plum is running through Massdrop and according to the last update, it is scheduled for Feb 2017. I think that is just the when the GB will open, not even the shipping date.
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 05 November 2016, 14:19:45
The kits will be available during GMK Carbon shipping. Say current or next week.Any plan on having the main kit up for grabs as well, or if some vendor is getting a large enough order so that the 150 people getting this norde set could possibly get the main set as well somehow? Finding base sets for 150 norde kits from the aftermarket at a reasonable price worries me.
Why didn't you get the base kit when it dropped few months ago? I think the ISO kit is mainly aimed at existing GMK Carbon users.
In any case, keep and eye on mechmarket if you're really keen on getting a set, maybe set up an IFTTT script to notify you whenever a post with Carbon goes up on mechmarket?3
Post by: kkwapnioski on Sat, 05 November 2016, 15:42:57
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 06 November 2016, 05:32:03
And now the excruciating wait for the base set...
I was wondering why I have tracking just for my novelties and not the base kits.... da fuq
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sun, 06 November 2016, 06:06:16
And now the excruciating wait for the base set...
I was wondering why I have tracking just for my novelties and not the base kits.... da fuq
I'm pretty sure he meant that he still has to wait for his base kit.
The novelties and ergodox kits shipped out earlier (probably because it was faster/easier to sort), and I didn't hear of anyone getting tracking for his base kit yet.
EDIT: For everyone that is too lazy to check their e-mails:
IT'S HAPPENING
(http://puu.sh/s9ND3/ef54f85e91.jpg)
Post by: giammin on Tue, 08 November 2016, 02:56:28
hope they ship fast but almost 2k order are a lot... and I live in italy
i kick myself for not deciding in time to buy the novelties. the drop ended while I was paying with paypal :(
Post by: KHAANNN on Tue, 08 November 2016, 03:05:49
first time I buy on massdrop, the wait is killing me...
hope they ship fast but almost 2k order are a lot... and I live in italy
i kick myself for not deciding in time to buy the novelties. the drop ended while I was paying with paypal :(
The speed is at extremes tho, I don't recall a turnaround this fast
Post by: giammin on Tue, 08 November 2016, 03:10:12
Post by: Giorgio on Tue, 08 November 2016, 03:39:28
first time I buy on massdrop, the wait is killing me...
hope they ship fast but almost 2k order are a lot... and I live in italy
i kick myself for not deciding in time to buy the novelties. the drop ended while I was paying with paypal :(
Massdrop usually allows changes to an order, if they've not paid the supplier yet.
You'll kick yourself when you'll see the 35% import fee. Source? I live in Italy.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 08 November 2016, 03:41:49
first time I buy on massdrop, the wait is killing me...
hope they ship fast but almost 2k order are a lot... and I live in italy
i kick myself for not deciding in time to buy the novelties. the drop ended while I was paying with paypal :(
Massdrop usually allows changes to an order, if they've not paid the supplier yet.
You'll kick yourself when you'll see the 35% import fee. Source? I live in Italy.
Depends where you live. I got 19% fee.
Post by: giammin on Tue, 08 November 2016, 03:43:56
you'll kick yourself when you'll see the 35% import feeWTF
but i'm pretty confident because i'm lucky when coming to shipping duty fee.
Post by: giammin on Tue, 08 November 2016, 03:47:00
Massdrop usually allows changes to an order, if they've not paid the supplier yet.
No they dont. I have almost mailbombed them asking to join the drop since the drop ending till last month
Post by: TalkingTree on Tue, 08 November 2016, 03:54:24
Poste italiane handles the customs clearance and, in my experience, their fee is € 5,16 + VAT.you'll kick yourself when you'll see the 35% import feebut i'm pretty confident because i'm lucky when coming to shipping duty fee.
Post by: giammin on Tue, 08 November 2016, 04:00:40
first time I buy on massdrop, the wait is killing me...
hope they ship fast but almost 2k order are a lot... and I live in italy
i kick myself for not deciding in time to buy the novelties. the drop ended while I was paying with paypal :(
Massdrop usually allows changes to an order, if they've not paid the supplier yet.
You'll kick yourself when you'll see the 35% import fee. Source? I live in Italy.
Depends where you live. I got 19% fee.
Hello T0mb3ry , I want to take this opportunity to compliment you.
I had never considered buying a keycap set, moreover seemed too expensive. But then I came across your GMK Carbon and it was love at first sight.
I just wanted to ask you something. Why do you have not merged all the different keycap set (basekit, novelty, ergo) in one drop like MD did in goodspeed?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 08 November 2016, 04:13:11
first time I buy on massdrop, the wait is killing me...
hope they ship fast but almost 2k order are a lot... and I live in italy
i kick myself for not deciding in time to buy the novelties. the drop ended while I was paying with paypal :(
Massdrop usually allows changes to an order, if they've not paid the supplier yet.
You'll kick yourself when you'll see the 35% import fee. Source? I live in Italy.
Depends where you live. I got 19% fee.
Hello T0mb3ry , I want to take this opportunity to compliment you.
I had never considered buying a keycap set, moreover seemed too expensive. But then I came across your GMK Carbon and it was love at first sight.
I just wanted to ask you something. Why do you have not merged all the different keycap set (basekit, novelty, ergo) in one drop like MD did in goodspeed?
Because of high moq we wanted to make each kit independent from each other. Didn't expected novelties even to tip. It was more strategic decision.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 09 November 2016, 06:04:41
(http://i.imgur.com/gfrx0JH.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YRRnBoI.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/wNMtrO5.jpg)
Post by: mll8394 on Wed, 09 November 2016, 16:31:53
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 10 November 2016, 08:54:52
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 10 November 2016, 11:06:59
The base sets are shipping :)
Haven't gotten my notification. :(
Post by: duynguyenle on Thu, 10 November 2016, 11:49:43
The base sets are shipping :)
Haven't gotten my notification. :(
Nor have I :(
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 10 November 2016, 12:14:13
Post by: kenmai9 on Thu, 10 November 2016, 12:24:07
Post by: brighenne on Thu, 10 November 2016, 13:05:48
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 10 November 2016, 13:07:47
But anyway. It does not even need text :))
(http://i.imgur.com/xeTATak.jpg)
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 10 November 2016, 13:11:32
(http://i.imgur.com/DeAzXOWh.png)
.... but that moment you see DHL :(
Post by: duynguyenle on Thu, 10 November 2016, 14:20:02
Just got it...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DeAzXOWh.png)
.... but that moment you see DHL :(
Oh god DHL... This means another £50 customs charge :(
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 10 November 2016, 14:35:01
Post by: soilheart on Thu, 10 November 2016, 14:43:26
DHL is actually really good to me generally (I live in Portugal), ever since MD started using them exclusively rather than USPS I hardly ever need to pay customs/wait forever to get my shipments. Probably has something to do with the packages getting "rebranded" in Germany upon entering the EU, our customs staff are definitely not the most inquisitive (read: hard working) bunch so I've been lucky thus far with all my hefty purchases throughout the entire year with DHL.
Meh, have been hit and miss for me. They added import fees to the ergodox mods but not to the novelties. I've also paid import fees on 1 out of 2 blank PBT sets from massdrop =P
(Let's hope they let this one through, like they did with the Overcast kits)
Post by: richard912 on Thu, 10 November 2016, 19:23:45
Post by: nugglets on Thu, 10 November 2016, 19:27:18
Oh well, I've waited this long already... can handle another week or so =)
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 10 November 2016, 19:35:20
Weird, I wonder how they do this. Because I ordered within a few minutes of it going live and haven't received notification yet.I don't think that when you order has anything to do with the handling by logistics. I could be wrong, but I can't imagine the headache if they're trying to manage the order of ordering at time of fulfillment
Oh well, I've waited this long already... can handle another week or so =)
Post by: nugglets on Thu, 10 November 2016, 20:56:37
Weird, I wonder how they do this. Because I ordered within a few minutes of it going live and haven't received notification yet.I don't think that when you order has anything to do with the handling by logistics. I could be wrong, but I can't imagine the headache if they're trying to manage the order of ordering at time of fulfillment
Oh well, I've waited this long already... can handle another week or so =)
Well, typically things like this are done by order number in my experience. And if were by locality, then Kenmai and I live in the same county and yet he got tracking and I did not.
So I'm just wondering how they actually do it.
Post by: ticktwo on Fri, 11 November 2016, 02:35:45
Post by: KHAANNN on Fri, 11 November 2016, 03:21:56
Post by: Almada71 on Fri, 11 November 2016, 12:26:56
Post by: brighenne on Fri, 11 November 2016, 13:02:52
Post by: kawasaki161 on Fri, 11 November 2016, 15:20:43
Post by: richard912 on Fri, 11 November 2016, 17:46:46
Post by: numberfive on Fri, 11 November 2016, 17:47:29
Post by: mll8394 on Sun, 13 November 2016, 01:09:12
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 13 November 2016, 01:37:10
Post by: Giorgio on Sun, 13 November 2016, 08:35:14
Poste italiane handles the customs clearance and, in my experience, their fee is € 5,16 + VAT.you'll kick yourself when you'll see the 35% import feebut i'm pretty confident because i'm lucky when coming to shipping duty fee.
LOL
Post by: salasource on Mon, 14 November 2016, 08:08:40
Post by: pon10 on Mon, 14 November 2016, 08:24:49
Post by: fax668 on Mon, 14 November 2016, 08:39:14
Hmm, I was thinking that I would pick up the international set once it drops and then hope that MD would drop the base set (which I missed) again around Christmas/New Year. But now it sounds like I would better not do anything before the next drop? But then I might run the risk that an international add-on would not meet MOQ?
It's folly in this market to hold out on it. There's no indication of Carbon R2 being ran any time soon. If you want the set, get the international kit and pick up Carbon base kit on the aftermarket. Don't wait for R2 to drop because you will be left hanging for a long time
Post by: KHAANNN on Mon, 14 November 2016, 09:29:16
Post by: Chachal on Mon, 14 November 2016, 09:30:16
Addon kits on MD
Post by: giammin on Mon, 14 November 2016, 09:31:50
to spacebar or to two spacebar, this is the question
i feel the same....
it will be awesome on the base set.... my wallet is already crying
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 14 November 2016, 12:01:01
i am closing this thread. I'd like to thank everybody who participated in this drop and especially those who provided constructive feedback :) . Hope you will enjoy your Carbon.
Hoping to see your Carbon pics soon :)