Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:16:52
The group buy is scheduled for this autumn on Drop.
The main keyset in this topic is SP SA Yuri and DCS ALPS Yuri is a secondary goal which should be kept in mind. Since ALPS sets are rare - i thought this would be a good experiment to try out and it gives alps users an opportunity.
Anyway enough of talk and Yuri exists already in cherry profile - so i think everyone knows what this keyset is about. If not then google for Yuri Gagarin ;)
SP SA Yuri
Alphas
(https://i.imgur.com/GEKMz7a.png)
Cyrillics
(https://i.imgur.com/ysBhwg4.png)
Cosmos
(https://i.imgur.com/NNuNjJI.png)
Dual Cosmos
(https://i.imgur.com/dP93Yls.png)
Modifiers kit
(https://i.imgur.com/v9AafDr.png)
Cyrillic modifiers kit
(https://i.imgur.com/lN1yLuu.png)
Dual modifiers kit
(https://i.imgur.com/SEcmEYD.png)
Numpad kit
(https://i.imgur.com/kMzRYtA.png)
Ergodox kit
(https://i.imgur.com/kn9eAHb.png)
40%
(https://i.imgur.com/JDvIDbd.png)
Novelties
(https://i.imgur.com/0VVKu1k.png)
ISO UK
(https://i.imgur.com/hAZ6CRa.png)
Spacebars
(https://i.imgur.com/wW4Jjtr.png)
Spacekeys
(https://i.imgur.com/7aOTSe0.png)
DCS ALPS Yuri
(https://i.imgur.com/1nd2miA.png)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:17:17
Oh look i still have that render from Oblotzky
(https://i.imgur.com/ng9NNeF.png)
New renders from Oblotzky.
(https://i.imgur.com/3FcCV3D.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/iXD1aIM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JK1hcCz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Y0WPv5e.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GhzLGle.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KCyiuAD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lHVMhNU.jpg)
Post by: King4477 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:19:12
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:20:01
Looking forward to it.
Post by: jihadu on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:22:44
Post by: cijanzen on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:24:31
Will these be custom colours or any standard SP colours?
Post by: Vlie on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:24:43
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:30:51
Yes please!
Will these be custom colours or any standard SP colours?
Original SP colors ;) Despite Yuri was designed as GMK set in first place, i took the SP colors and SP samples were also used to create GMK custom colors.
Post by: neon_tom on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:31:18
Post by: Capsy on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:35:08
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Post by: harlekein on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:38:38
Post by: King4477 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:46:07
занято!
Oh look i still have that render from OblotzkyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/ng9NNeF.png)
Curious about the origin of the hammer and sickle in the render?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:47:35
40%
- added additional 1.5u blank key
(https://i.imgur.com/Xe2Fwgy.png)
DCS ALPS Yuri
- added missing none accent escape key.
(https://i.imgur.com/wYeIQD3.png)
Post by: jihadu on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:48:10
It was a nod to the Glorious keys kit in the GMK Dropзанято!
Oh look i still have that render from OblotzkyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/ng9NNeF.png)
Curious about the origin of the hammer and sickle in the render?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:48:43
занято!
Oh look i still have that render from OblotzkyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/ng9NNeF.png)
Curious about the origin of the hammer and sickle in the render?
Its from glorious kit. It will be added later.
Post by: King4477 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:51:58
занято!
Oh look i still have that render from OblotzkyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/ng9NNeF.png)
Curious about the origin of the hammer and sickle in the render?
Its from glorious kit. It will be added later.
Nice.
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:52:16
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Post by: EMC Labs on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:53:56
Post by: piercejenkins on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:01:05
Post by: ST999 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:02:15
Hope the DCS set makes it to the GB.
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Post by: jihadu on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:14:28
Edit: Just saw Tomb3ry's comment on it
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:19:42
The 40s kit pretty much fills ortho mods, but would it be possible to add a 1u backslash and “ key in mod colors to round it out? Or better yet, add an ortho kit? I’m getting this either way, but don’t want to have to get the cosmo kit to make it work.
I will add those keys in the next update.
ne glorious kit avail
In the next update probably. Most probably glorious keys would be only available in Yuri colors and its going to be part of Novelties. In GMK Yuri i did Glorious keys also for other keysets (like the salty kit in carbon) but SP (or rather their plastic supplier) is inconsistent if it comes to colors and thus the glorious keys would not match the keysets which were produced before.
Post by: garbo on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:22:13
Let's hope SP can be gentle with the pricing
Post by: jihadu on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:24:40
The Alps kit... :eek:Lol SP pricing makes GMK seem like it's made in China
Let's hope SP can be gentle with the pricing
Post by: hhkbp2 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:41:22
Post by: fractl on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:42:32
Post by: bthezebra on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:49:44
Post by: cijanzen on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:51:19
Post by: otanishock on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:59:18
Post by: equalunique on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:07:50
I'm interested either way.
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Post by: rowie on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:12:11
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:20:16
Very nice. Could we have the Colevrak kit for SA English Alphas? And the Glorious kit like GMK please.
Ne colevrak kit?
I'm interested either way.
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Sorry but i am not supporting colevrak and international kits anymore, due to the chronical unfulfillment of the MOQ for those kits. If there is not enough interest/demand in those kits then i am not going to offer those. Yuri is also not that popular as Laser or Oblivion and in those drops colevrak and international kits did it tightly.
Regarding the glorious kit. SP is inconsistent if it comes to colors and two different color batches for the same color code might differ in shade from each other. Say if i produce glorious keys for a set which was done time ago then there is a high chance what you will see a shade difference. Thus i will offer only glorious keys for Yuri. GMK on the other hand is very consistent ;)
Would it be possible to add cosmos color to the spacekeys kit?
I'll look into it.
Would it be possible to have DCS Alps that uses Alps stabilizers for better compatibility?
AFAIK DCS ALPS offers only cherry stabs compatibility. Source: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62274.0
Otherwise making alps stab compatibility would cost a fortune.
Might have gotten the ortho kit, but an orange esc and no orange enter key would look just too unbalanced.
I will add that orange enter key in the next update.
Definitely in! Is cosmos missing a matching 6.25u and 7u spacebar? Or are we supposed to just use orange? Would be nice to have a matching spacebar for a complete mono look.
I will add the missing colors for spacebars and spacekeys in the next possible update.
Thank you for your work, Tom! Will buy as many as I could to support you, as always. 👍
Thanks for support buddy ;) :thumb:
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:31:13
No no-accent R3 Esc?
I kind of disagree with including only mod colored spacebars here instead of the accent kit, that would be like including a mod colored 6.25U space bar with the modifier kit.
Post by: scoopbb on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:34:30
Post by: hhkbp2 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:41:46
Sorry but i am not supporting colevrak and international kits anymore, due to the chronical unfulfillment of the MOQ for those kits. If there is not enough interest/demand in those kits then i am not going to offer those. Yuri is also not that popular as Laser or Oblivion and in those drops colevrak and international kits did it tightly.
Since SP could have low MOQ, I think that Yuri is popular enough to sell at least 25 or more units at a higher(but still reasonable) price or so, even if it does not reach more than 50. But it's your design and up to you to make the decision. Thanks.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:42:39
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Xe2Fwgy.png)
No no-accent R3 Esc?
I kind of disagree with including only mod colored spacebars here instead of the accent kit, that would be like including a mod colored 6.25U space bar with the modifier kit.
Non-accent R3 Esc will be added in the next update.
regarding the mod colored spacebars i need to rework the spacebar distribution across the kits.
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:46:35
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Xe2Fwgy.png)
No no-accent R3 Esc?
I kind of disagree with including only mod colored spacebars here instead of the accent kit, that would be like including a mod colored 6.25U space bar with the modifier kit.
Non-accent R3 Esc will be added in the next update.
regarding the mod colored spacebars i need to rework the spacebar distribution across the kits.
(https://i.imgur.com/TLCbHt2.jpg)
Post by: fer.real on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:49:34
DCS ALPS Yuri
As i said DCS ALPS Yuri is experimental set and i am offering only one base kit. I am not planning to add more kits for DCS ALPS!
I am also not sure about the font. As you can see i made it cherry like and making all the new legends might make this kit very expensive. So there are things to think about... It is quite possible that i will discard whole DCS ALPS idea if the pricing goes too high.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wYeIQD3.png)
I am in for Alps DCS! Can I just give you my money now instead of waiting until autumn?
Does the Alps set need to have the Cherry font? I would be fine with whatever font SP has. I'm assuming it would look something like Midnight DCS set.
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:54:07
DCS ALPS Yuri
As i said DCS ALPS Yuri is experimental set and i am offering only one base kit. I am not planning to add more kits for DCS ALPS!
I am also not sure about the font. As you can see i made it cherry like and making all the new legends might make this kit very expensive. So there are things to think about... It is quite possible that i will discard whole DCS ALPS idea if the pricing goes too high.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wYeIQD3.png)
I am in for Alps DCS! Can I just give you my money now instead of waiting until autumn?
Does the Alps set need to have the Cherry font? I would be fine with whatever font SP has. I'm assuming it would look something like Midnight DCS set.
Signature plastics has a Cherry replica font.
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:54:56
Post by: XtReeM1337n355 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:57:41
Aside that, I hope you get the green light for this!
Post by: rowie on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:58:44
Definitely in! Is cosmos missing a matching 6.25u and 7u spacebar? Or are we supposed to just use orange? Would be nice to have a matching spacebar for a complete mono look.
I will add the missing colors for spacebars and spacekeys in the next possible update.
Oh yeah! Thanks, I’m super excited for an SA version. Time to start hyping this up. :thumb:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:59:33
Sorry but i am not supporting colevrak and international kits anymore, due to the chronical unfulfillment of the MOQ for those kits. If there is not enough interest/demand in those kits then i am not going to offer those. Yuri is also not that popular as Laser or Oblivion and in those drops colevrak and international kits did it tightly.
Since SP could have low MOQ, I think that Yuri is popular enough to sell at least 25 or more units at a higher(but still reasonable) price or so, even if it does not reach more than 50. But it's your design and up to you to make the decision. Thanks.
Thats the dilemma here, with lower moq the pricing will go up and i am not sure if people who are really interested in getting Yuri with colevrak will still be ready to get it. And MOQ of 50 is too high. Realistically it would be MOQ of 25. There are also Cyrillic alphas which do rival (because its an alternative) the colevrak and international kit. Cyrillic (if you don't really use it for Russian layout) can be used like blanks and do fit that way any layout.
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Xe2Fwgy.png)
No no-accent R3 Esc?
I kind of disagree with including only mod colored spacebars here instead of the accent kit, that would be like including a mod colored 6.25U space bar with the modifier kit.
Non-accent R3 Esc will be added in the next update.
regarding the mod colored spacebars i need to rework the spacebar distribution across the kits.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/TLCbHt2.jpg)
Thanks Tuxedo Mask!
P.S. no i am not watching Sailor Moon but i know it from my youth ;)
DCS ALPS Yuri
As i said DCS ALPS Yuri is experimental set and i am offering only one base kit. I am not planning to add more kits for DCS ALPS!
I am also not sure about the font. As you can see i made it cherry like and making all the new legends might make this kit very expensive. So there are things to think about... It is quite possible that i will discard whole DCS ALPS idea if the pricing goes too high.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wYeIQD3.png)
I am in for Alps DCS! Can I just give you my money now instead of waiting until autumn?
Does the Alps set need to have the Cherry font? I would be fine with whatever font SP has. I'm assuming it would look something like Midnight DCS set.
I think it does not need the font tho i really prefer the font. The thing is, i have to see that SP got and i will decide later. Otherwise the cherry font would make it all more expensive because every key will be a custom legend.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 11:05:15
I might be misinterpreting it, but are you offering only one dcs alps base kit for everyone to fight for? Or, is it a moq alps base kit only set?
Aside that, I hope you get the green light for this!
Every kit has its own MOQ. So there will be no fighting. If someone wants the DCS ALPS Yuri he gets just that kit.
DCS ALPS Yuri
As i said DCS ALPS Yuri is experimental set and i am offering only one base kit. I am not planning to add more kits for DCS ALPS!
I am also not sure about the font. As you can see i made it cherry like and making all the new legends might make this kit very expensive. So there are things to think about... It is quite possible that i will discard whole DCS ALPS idea if the pricing goes too high.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wYeIQD3.png)
I am in for Alps DCS! Can I just give you my money now instead of waiting until autumn?
Does the Alps set need to have the Cherry font? I would be fine with whatever font SP has. I'm assuming it would look something like Midnight DCS set.
Signature plastics has a Cherry replica font.
Yes that's true but it belongs to another designer and i need a permission to reuse it. Otherwise i have to make my own "cherry replica". I mean i have my cherry font but as you know it would cost something since basically whole DCS ALPS Yuri set will require custom legends.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 07 July 2019, 11:09:10
This is exciting.
Post by: fer.real on Sun, 07 July 2019, 11:29:36
Does the Alps set need to have the Cherry font? I would be fine with whatever font SP has. I'm assuming it would look something like Midnight DCS set.
I think it does not need the font tho i really prefer the font. The thing is, i have to see that SP got and i will decide later. Otherwise the cherry font would make it all more expensive because every key will be a custom legend.
I love that you care about fonts, but honestly we Alps folks are so thirsty for new keycaps we will be fine with any font as long as this set is made reality.
This is exciting.
That could not have been said better.
My suggestion for using a standard SP font was only intended as a failsafe in case this set gets too expensive. My preference is to have this set look the way you envision.
Post by: Vireca on Sun, 07 July 2019, 11:33:57
Post by: tronix_41 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 11:37:59
Post by: Zilleon on Sun, 07 July 2019, 11:45:03
Post by: jonowarren94 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 11:52:08
I would pay more for a lower international-kit moq. Rather pay more than have nothing, my personal opinion.
Same would love a NordeUK kit, appreciate the ISO in novelties too innovative solution.
Post by: norb on Sun, 07 July 2019, 12:04:28
i'm asking because i was dumb enough to skip the cyrillics kit back in 2017 and i do regret it. i wasn't aware of the rabbit hole that opened right up in front of me after buying my first gmk set :eek:
now there's the possibility to get a full sa version or wait and hope for a gmk r2.
Post by: TheAutoManCan on Sun, 07 July 2019, 12:12:41
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 12:20:06
this is dope af, but i still gotta ask, is there a chance that gmk yuri will come back at some point in the future?
i'm asking because i was dumb enough to skip the cyrillics kit back in 2017 and i do regret it. i wasn't aware of the rabbit hole that opened right up in front of me after buying my first gmk set :eek:
now there's the possibility to get a full sa version or wait and hope for a gmk r2.
GMK Yuri will happen again but not any time soon. Thing is that drop spots are plenty so i guess it will redrop probably in 2021.
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 07 July 2019, 12:41:36
Post by: monovertex on Sun, 07 July 2019, 13:09:51
I’m sold on chyrillics, ergodox and novelties sets.
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 13:30:31
All alphas kits
- Added 6.25u spacebar.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZOtaW8U.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/i5OsCwO.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/QPsg973.png)
Modifiers kit
- Removed 6.25u spacebar
(https://i.imgur.com/u2wTnBp.png)
40%
- Added non accent escape key in row 3.
- Removed all the blank keys (they have been moved to spacekeys!). Keep in mind you can still use novelties for 1.25u and 1.5u keys. 40% buyers should not forget to get the spacekeys kit at this point just like the WKL users have to think about getting 7u spacebars.
(https://i.imgur.com/LuHGjMF.png)
Spacebars
- Added mod colored spacebar to each spacebar kit. (6.25u and 7u are two separate kits.)
(https://i.imgur.com/wW4Jjtr.png)
Spacekeys
- Removed 3u spacekey because there is no direct support for Minila.
- Added 2x1u spacekeys for each color (grid plank).
- Added mod colored spacekeys.
(https://i.imgur.com/7aOTSe0.png)
Post by: nephlock on Sun, 07 July 2019, 13:32:36
Would it be possible to add cosmos color to the spacekeys kit?
Doubling down on this. Would be great to have the option of a full cosmos set
Edit: I guess it happened while I was typing! Thanks for the update!
Post by: LXVRGS on Sun, 07 July 2019, 13:40:45
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Post by: King4477 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 17:38:34
I'm definitely interested in the Cyrillic kit if there will also be a Cyrillic modifier kit or an icon modifier kit. I'm not crazy about the idea of having Cyrillic alphas with English modifiers.
+1
With GMK set I was irked that, even with multiple sets of all of the kits, I still needed some English mods to cover TKL and numpad mods (home end pg up down etc)
Post by: heliar_mk on Sun, 07 July 2019, 18:15:58
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Post by: Myoth on Sun, 07 July 2019, 18:28:26
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75515.0
Post by: euphxenos on Sun, 07 July 2019, 19:30:27
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Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Sun, 07 July 2019, 23:11:04
Any timelines in mind ? need to start saving for this.
SA Royal Navy is coming, and now this and I need both.
Normally not an alps user - no alps boards, and one of the reasons for this is the scarcity of the caps - sorry I do like my boards to have non beige caps.
Never tried DCS either, so this is also a must buy for me...
Hopefully this comes to fruition.....
Post by: dk4one on Sun, 07 July 2019, 23:12:37
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Post by: kookiemunstur on Mon, 08 July 2019, 00:40:17
For the numpad kit is it possible to add an "=" as opposed to 2 "-"
Im one of those people who uses 2 keys vs the 2u "+" spot on a numpad
Post by: OracleKev on Mon, 08 July 2019, 00:45:19
Post by: Harms on Mon, 08 July 2019, 01:20:49
Post by: adxlk on Mon, 08 July 2019, 01:44:02
Will this be on drop?
i think so
Post by: adxlk on Mon, 08 July 2019, 01:44:36
Post by: adxlk on Mon, 08 July 2019, 01:46:52
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 08 July 2019, 02:17:46
This would be nice for MT3 rather than SA. imo
Yuri colorway would require the doubleshot tooling for MT3, #1 t0m might not like the font that matt3o chose for Susuwatari #2 Susuwatari isn't finished yet so it would not be wise to run a set on a production line that hasn't wrapped up its first set yet.
Post by: adxlk on Mon, 08 July 2019, 03:05:46
This would be nice for MT3 rather than SA. imo
Yuri colorway would require the doubleshot tooling for MT3, #1 t0m might not like the font that matt3o chose for Susuwatari #2 Susuwatari isn't finished yet so it would not be wise to run a set on a production line that hasn't wrapped up its first set yet.
you certainly have a point, thanks
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Post by: Cods on Mon, 08 July 2019, 06:50:57
Definitely in for ALPS, as I’m going to try them - I have a dead Apple board with complicated ALPS (white) but am on the lookout for a great set of keys and a 65% board/plate/case.
For the ALPS set, it’s great that you’re even thinking of offering it - thank you. I’ll be straight, DCS is my least favoured profile (hence why I own zero GMK) but if a great looking ALPS set is available, I’m in anyway :) DCS forever...?
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 08 July 2019, 07:15:27
Post by: adxlk on Mon, 08 July 2019, 08:26:38
(https://i.imgur.com/UoNTEVx.png)
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 08 July 2019, 08:50:40
Post by: harlekein on Mon, 08 July 2019, 09:15:31
Definitely will buy cadet kit if offered, but if same can be done with Cyrillic, it will be perfect..imho
Seconding Cyrillic cadet alphas. This would be amazing.
Post by: Neodeus on Mon, 08 July 2019, 11:10:09
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 08 July 2019, 12:57:42
ISO UK
(https://i.imgur.com/L9BA8Iz.png)
It will probably cost around 40$ at 25 MOQ. If it does not hit its MOQ....
This would be nice for MT3 rather than SA. imo
Yuri colorway would require the doubleshot tooling for MT3, #1 t0m might not like the font that matt3o chose for Susuwatari #2 Susuwatari isn't finished yet so it would not be wise to run a set on a production line that hasn't wrapped up its first set yet.
This. Also those colors, even if double shot, are not possible for PBT.
Any timelines in mind ?
Autumn. No further information cuz NDA.
I also think reusing legends from alpine winter could be a good idea, to keep the price down.
The legends for Cherry Replica were funded privately and given all the circumstances i don't think i get a slight chance to get a permission. Even if it was not funded privately the initiator owns all rights for these molds!
In the end i do always my own stuff if needed.
Does the Alps set need to have the Cherry font? I would be fine with whatever font SP has. I'm assuming it would look something like Midnight DCS set.
I think it does not need the font tho i really prefer the font. The thing is, i have to see that SP got and i will decide later. Otherwise the cherry font would make it all more expensive because every key will be a custom legend.I love that you care about fonts, but honestly we Alps folks are so thirsty for new keycaps we will be fine with any font as long as this set is made reality.
This is exciting.
That could not have been said better.
My suggestion for using a standard SP font was only intended as a failsafe in case this set gets too expensive. My preference is to have this set look the way you envision.
I asked Yanbo already for the end quotes for the kit with full custom legends and for kit with standard DCS legends. Depending on how expensive it is, i will decide the way to go.
Post by: Rob27shred on Mon, 08 July 2019, 13:57:07
(https://memegenerator.net/img/images/600x600/11429736/head-explosion.jpg)
Yes please!
Also extremely down for SA Yuri, but if I have to choose between the two a new ALPS mount set in an awesome colorway kinda takes the cake for me. :thumb:
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 08 July 2019, 14:05:30
CyrillicsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/i5OsCwO.png)
The Cyrillic legends have a few errors/inconsistencies that need to be addressed:
- Д, Ц, Щ baselines should be aligned with the other characters' baselines, and the descenders should drop below the baseline. Currently, these characters are centered within the keycap, which is incorrect as they're a bit farther up than they should be.
- The same goes for Й and Ё, except they sit a bit lower than they should. The main part of these characters should be aligned with И and Е, and the breve/diaresis should be set above it without affecting the characters' overall position within the keycap.
- И is too narrow, it should be the same width as Й, П and Н.
- The У shape is odd. Sans-serif Cyrillic fonts like this usually don't have a У that looks blocky; the shape should look more like this: У (the curved tail at the bottom is optional).
- The middle stroke in Н should be vertically centered, and, in fact, the character should look exactly the same as Latin H. Currently, the middle stroke is a bit lower than it should be.
- The diagonal spurs in Ж usually have the same shape as in К. This is currently not the case and should be changed.
- The Ж legend isn't tall enough.
- The З legend is too large and too thick.
- The К legend appears too wide / stretched out. It should be exactly the same as the Latin K legend.
- The Cyrillic legends overall are larger than the Latin legends. I doubt this is intended, so it should be fixed.
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 08 July 2019, 14:19:51
CyrillicsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/i5OsCwO.png)
The Cyrillic legends have a few errors/inconsistencies that need to be addressed:
- The Cyrillic legends overall are larger than the Latin legends. I doubt this is intended, so it should be fixed.
This is a render, I'm sure the legends will be adjusted to be exactly the same height as the gorton modified latin legends. T0mb3ry is very picky about these details.
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 08 July 2019, 14:20:23
This is a render, I'm sure the legends will be adjusted to be exactly the same height as the gorton modified latin legends. T0mb3ry is very picky about these details.That's fine, it's my job to point out the inconsistencies where I see them. I'm sure Tombery will address them in the final product.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 08 July 2019, 16:35:29
Д, Ц, Щ baselines should be aligned with the other characters' baselines, and the descenders should drop below the baseline. Currently, these characters are centered within the keycap, which is incorrect as they're a bit farther up than they should be.
Д, Ц, Щ have the same base as other legends. Tho their tails go beyond the base as it supposed to be. You can see such approach in other Cyrillic fonts.
The same goes for Й and Ё, except they sit a bit lower than they should. The main part of these characters should be aligned with И and Е, and the breve/diaresis should be set above it without affecting the characters' overall position within the keycap.
Same as with Д, Ц, and Щ the letters Й and Ё have the same base but their strokes/dots go beyond the base. Regarding the alignment. Those are mockups and they are made for presentation of keys constellation and they should be fast to edit. Of course, if we place a ruler in front of it, there are many misalignment but its not the purpose of the mockup being perfectly aligned. That is the task of manufacturer because its the manufacturer who is making the legend molds. Its obvious for manufacturer that these should be aligned as perfectly as it gets. And the end renders for each kit will be also perfectly aligned.
И is too narrow, it should be the same width as Й, П and Н.
This is actually a good catch. This is old version and my current И version has the same width as Й. П and Н have slightly different width and the are based on the Latin H from Gorton Modified.
The У shape is odd. Sans-serif Cyrillic fonts like this usually don't have a У that looks blocky; the shape should look more like this: У (the curved tail at the bottom is optional).
This is not Sans-serif. This is my interpretation of Gorton Modified Cyrillics which do no exist. This is its own font and it should not be compared with other fonts. And Gorton Modified does not follow any rules of other fonts.
Fonts like Cherry and Gorton Modified are designed specifically for the double shot process. They are rounded and simple because of that. Those fonts are grotesque in terms of typography (they have flaws... do they really?) but they are still loved for that they are. I want to continue this trend. Tho indeed У is little bit too futuristic for this 'aged' font. I might look into a better version for it.
The middle stroke in Н should be vertically centered, and, in fact, the character should look exactly the same as Latin H. Currently, the middle stroke is a bit lower than it should be.
I made H after the scanned Gorton Modified DSA keyset and it had that lowered bar. But it can be made centered.
The diagonal spurs in Ж usually have the same shape as in К. This is currently not the case and should be changed.
Again this is not Sans-serif. The Cyrillic K is just like the K in Latin. There is no rule which tells Ж has to be that way. Gorton Modified is based on simplicity which is perfect for double shot process.
The Ж legend isn't tall enough.
It has the same base as other Cyrillic legends.
The З legend is too large and too thick.
Good catch i scaled the vector in the beginning with wrong multiplier. That's why its too large in the mock-up.
The К legend appears too wide / stretched out. It should be exactly the same as the Latin K legend.
It is the same K as Gorton Modified Latin K.
The Cyrillic legends overall are larger than the Latin legends. I doubt this is intended, so it should be fixed.
Not really. You probably are comparing Cyrillics with Latin Mockups. Latin Mockups are not using Gorton Modified but Gotham Rounded font. Those are similar but different Fonts. My Cyrillics are based on the proportions of scanned Gorton Modified DSA keyset. Its not 1:1 but its similar/close. And of course i will not mix it with already existing Latin letters like i did in GMK Yuri but all the Cyrillic alphas will be done from scratch. So overall it does not matter if they have the same thickness with existing letters or not. It should not be mixed.
Overall i am not a professional typographer and i am doing it as hobby. I got little bit knowledge here and there and i developed already few fonts for keysets. If you are a professional typographer i am definitely open for suggestions.
Tho you have also to understand Cyrillic alphabet because i get sometimes the feel some non Russian speaking people look at Cyrillic like at ancient Egypt symbols. Its the same as Latin alphabet but with few additions.
Just for display here is an old version of Gorton Modified Cyrillics.
(https://i.imgur.com/YBMP0Fo.jpg)
In my current version i've improved some letters, like Д which has the same base as all other letters but with tails extending beyond it. All those improvements are based upon my experience i've got from GMK Yuri. And to be honest (i am not bragging), as a dude who speaks Russian, GMK Yuri has probably the best double shot Cyrillic up to this date (pardon if i missed some nasty vintage Russian keyboard). Vintage Cherry Cyrillic is an unspeakable abomination. That's why i made my own Cherry Cyrillic version.
Another thing to consider is that, since Gorton Modified is a fairly display-ish font, you might want to consider using the Λ and Δ shaped variants of Л and Д. It might look a bit cleaner that way.Λ and Δ are Greek letters ^-^
Post by: Techno Trousers on Mon, 08 July 2019, 19:53:27
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 09 July 2019, 00:08:07
I really appreciate all the attention to detail here. The Cyrillic alphabet is fascinating to me. I was just reading the other day how it's closer to Greek than the Latin alphabet is. I'm not a Russian speaker (at least not yet) but I've played around with learning the alphabet and how to pronounce words... Very slowly, like a little kid. Lol. I have a few Cyrillic sets, and looking forward to adding SA Yuri to the collection.
Cyrillic is derived from Greek alphabet but they both are familiar to the Latin alphabet.
Post by: hhkbp2 on Tue, 09 July 2019, 05:17:53
Hi OP, I'm not an user of this kit but I think you should double check the profile for the row of "@," keys.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 09 July 2019, 05:23:53
Oops. I forgot to move r3 and r4 labels....Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/L9BA8Iz.png)
Hi OP, I'm not an user of this kit but I think you should double check the profile for the row of "@," keys.
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Post by: d.caminero on Tue, 09 July 2019, 05:42:48
SA is looking awesome as well, the cyrillics are a must have and the dark alphas look beautiful. Eager for renders!
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 09 July 2019, 07:12:12
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Overall i am not a professional typographer and i am doing it as hobby. I got little bit knowledge here and there and i developed already few fonts for keysets. If you are a professional typographer i am definitely open for suggestions.
Tho you have also to understand Cyrillic alphabet because i get sometimes the feel some non Russian speaking people look at Cyrillic like at ancient Egypt symbols. Its the same as Latin alphabet but with few additions.
Just for display here is an old version of Gorton Modified Cyrillics.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YBMP0Fo.jpg)
In my current version i've improved some letters, like Д which has the same base as all other letters but with tails extending beyond it. All those improvements are based upon my experience i've got from GMK Yuri. And to be honest (i am not bragging), as a dude who speaks Russian, GMK Yuri has probably the best double shot Cyrillic up to this date (pardon if i missed some nasty vintage Russian keyboard). Vintage Cherry Cyrillic is an unspeakable abomination. That's why i made my own Cherry Cyrillic version.
So, from what I understand, a lot of the issues I listed are already fixed. However, I had no way of knowing this without accurate renders, as all I had to go off was the render in the OP. It'd be great if you could post an updated render, and your current version of the font, for further critique :)
You're right that GMK Yuri has the best Cyrillic legends by far. I'm not yet seeing that level of quality here, though, so there's room for improvement.
I'm a native Cyrillic user, been using it all my life every day, and I'm also a non-native speaker of Russian (B1). I'm into typography as a hobby (especially Cyrillic typography, modern as well as historic) and would love to help any way I can.
This is not Sans-serif. This is my interpretation of Gorton Modified Cyrillics which do no exist. This is its own font and it should not be compared with other fonts. And Gorton Modified does not follow any rules of other fonts.
Fonts like Cherry and Gorton Modified are designed specifically for the double shot process. They are rounded and simple because of that. Those fonts are grotesque in terms of typography (they have flaws... do they really?) but they are still loved for that they are. I want to continue this trend. Tho indeed У is little bit too futuristic for this 'aged' font. I might look into a better version for it.
Sans-serif is anything that doesn't have serifs :) Keycap typefaces (as well as all grotesque typefaces) are indeed sans-serif.
You should change to a У shape, it fits the style of the font better. It also makes more sense from a typographic standpoint, as a У shape would allow for better kerning if the font were used for typesetting text. I don't know any fonts off the top of my head that have a blocky У but don't have other blocky glyphs as well. A blocky У shape like that is very uncharacteristic/uncommon/non-traditional.
Another thing to consider is that, since Gorton Modified is a fairly display-ish font, you might want to consider using the Λ and Δ shaped variants of Л and Д. It might look a bit cleaner that way.Λ and Δ are Greek letters ^-^
Л and Д have variants shaped like Λ and Δ that are usually used in display fonts. The letters are still Л and Д, so it's 100% Cyrillic ^^
(https://i.imgur.com/SWVExjl.png)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 09 July 2019, 12:37:35
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Overall i am not a professional typographer and i am doing it as hobby. I got little bit knowledge here and there and i developed already few fonts for keysets. If you are a professional typographer i am definitely open for suggestions.
Tho you have also to understand Cyrillic alphabet because i get sometimes the feel some non Russian speaking people look at Cyrillic like at ancient Egypt symbols. Its the same as Latin alphabet but with few additions.
Just for display here is an old version of Gorton Modified Cyrillics.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YBMP0Fo.jpg)
In my current version i've improved some letters, like Д which has the same base as all other letters but with tails extending beyond it. All those improvements are based upon my experience i've got from GMK Yuri. And to be honest (i am not bragging), as a dude who speaks Russian, GMK Yuri has probably the best double shot Cyrillic up to this date (pardon if i missed some nasty vintage Russian keyboard). Vintage Cherry Cyrillic is an unspeakable abomination. That's why i made my own Cherry Cyrillic version.
So, from what I understand, a lot of the issues I listed are already fixed. However, I had no way of knowing this without accurate renders, as all I had to go off was the render in the OP. It'd be great if you could post an updated render, and your current version of the font, for further critique :)
You're right that GMK Yuri has the best Cyrillic legends by far. I'm not yet seeing that level of quality here, though, so there's room for improvement.
I'm a native Cyrillic user, been using it all my life every day, and I'm also a non-native speaker of Russian (B1). I'm into typography as a hobby (especially Cyrillic typography, modern as well as historic) and would love to help any way I can.
Yeah there few corks which might need fixes but its also not the final version. It needs definitely some fine tuning. Anyway thanks for the offer, if i will be in need of help i will get back to you ;)
This is not Sans-serif. This is my interpretation of Gorton Modified Cyrillics which do no exist. This is its own font and it should not be compared with other fonts. And Gorton Modified does not follow any rules of other fonts.
Fonts like Cherry and Gorton Modified are designed specifically for the double shot process. They are rounded and simple because of that. Those fonts are grotesque in terms of typography (they have flaws... do they really?) but they are still loved for that they are. I want to continue this trend. Tho indeed У is little bit too futuristic for this 'aged' font. I might look into a better version for it.
Sans-serif is anything that doesn't have serifs :) Keycap typefaces (as well as all grotesque typefaces) are indeed sans-serif.
You should change to a У shape, it fits the style of the font better. It also makes more sense from a typographic standpoint, as a У shape would allow for better kerning if the font were used for typesetting text. I don't know any fonts off the top of my head that have a blocky У but don't have other blocky glyphs as well. A blocky У shape like that is very uncharacteristic/uncommon/non-traditional.
My plans for У is to make it in the same style as i did in GMK Yuri. Its simpler and will match Gorton Modified better.
Another thing to consider is that, since Gorton Modified is a fairly display-ish font, you might want to consider using the Λ and Δ shaped variants of Л and Д. It might look a bit cleaner that way.Λ and Δ are Greek letters ^-^
Л and Д have variants shaped like Λ and Δ that are usually used in display fonts. The letters are still Л and Д, so it's 100% Cyrillic ^^Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/SWVExjl.png)
Well those Л and Д styles are indeed Russian but the Д has those tails. This one Δ is Greek delta. Anyway the font in your example is "futurism" style and it was often used for soviet propaganda.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61gsDL0APDL._SY450_.jpg)
Note the Д in this poster.
Its pretty cool style but it does not match the Gorton Modified font IMO.
Post by: equalunique on Tue, 09 July 2019, 13:45:37
Update
ISO UKShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/L9BA8Iz.png)
It will probably cost around 40$ at 25 MOQ. If it does not hit its MOQ....
A colevrak kit could reach a 25 MOQ :)
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Post by: tronix_41 on Tue, 09 July 2019, 14:11:04
Post by: dk4one on Tue, 09 July 2019, 14:26:38
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 09 July 2019, 19:34:23
My plans for У is to make it in the same style as i did in GMK Yuri. Its simpler and will match Gorton Modified better.
Good idea, I think that will work well. Do the same for Ж and simplify it further, like in GMK Yuri, by eliminating the horizontal strokes on the spurs. That way it will stylistically match the straight У and К.
Well those Л and Д styles are indeed Russian but the Д has those tails. This one Δ is Greek delta. Anyway the font in your example is "futurism" style and it was often used for soviet propaganda.Show Image(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61gsDL0APDL._SY450_.jpg)
Note the Д in this poster.
Its pretty cool style but it does not match the Gorton Modified font IMO.
I had to use Δ get my point across since there is no separate Unicode character for a triangle-shaped Д (it's just a font variation). So yes, Δ is a Greek letter, but I was talking about the Δ-shaped letter Д :) Anyway, the triangle shaped glyphs are also common in modern-day Russian adverts, theater and movie posters etc. However, you are right that Л and Д might typographically be a better match for Gorton Modified.
Btw, the little tails are called descenders :)
I will be looking forward to an updated version of the font/kit.
Post by: Farbee on Tue, 09 July 2019, 19:51:34
Also, this conversation about fonts has been very informative and entertaining :))
Post by: dsaf on Wed, 10 July 2019, 05:41:30
2. Would it make any sense to position the ISO enter novelty icon like the standard ISO enter text (top centre)?
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Post by: adamcobabe on Wed, 10 July 2019, 06:08:17
Post by: mimalik on Wed, 10 July 2019, 08:21:24
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 10 July 2019, 09:27:23
Some renders plz.
I'm taking care of those after finishing some other projects & comissions, no worries.
Post by: mimalik on Wed, 10 July 2019, 09:39:47
Post by: cijanzen on Wed, 10 July 2019, 09:50:58
Some renders plz.
I'm taking care of those after finishing some other projects & comissions, no worries.
Please make sure to add 3 base kits too!
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Wed, 10 July 2019, 10:46:40
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 10 July 2019, 10:57:35
I put ALPS Yuri in the question quotes in the title for the time being. I want to know if Signature Plastic is offering another profile for ALPS in ABS. I'll let you know once i get info on that.
1. Any chance of F-row flex kit?
2. Would it make any sense to position the ISO enter novelty icon like the standard ISO enter text (top centre)?
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1. Maybe but i do not promise.
2. It will be aligned as it was done in GMK Yuri. I'll change the alignment with the next update.
Post by: ZombieOfZimbabwe on Wed, 10 July 2019, 11:06:54
Unfortunately i have bad news for ALPS users. Signature Plastics do not offer DCS ALPS as ABS anymore. There are issues with stems which do tend to brake. They offer DCS ALPS as PBT. Tho Yuri is not possible with common PBT plastic.Was just planning an alps build with this when I saw this update. I don’t really care what profile, so long as it runs, I’ll more than likely still be in. Thanks for your hard work :)
I put ALPS Yuri in the question quotes in the title for the time being. I want to know if Signature Plastic is offering another profile for ALPS in ABS. I'll let you know once i get info on that.1. Any chance of F-row flex kit?
2. Would it make any sense to position the ISO enter novelty icon like the standard ISO enter text (top centre)?
(Attachment Link)
1. Maybe but i do not promise.
2. It will be aligned as it was done in GMK Yuri. I'll change the alignment with the next update.
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Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Wed, 10 July 2019, 11:37:57
Unfortunately i have bad news for ALPS users. Signature Plastics do not offer DCS ALPS as ABS anymore. There are issues with stems which do tend to brake. They offer DCS ALPS as PBT. Tho Yuri is not possible with common PBT plastic.
I put ALPS Yuri in the question quotes in the title for the time being. I want to know if Signature Plastic is offering another profile for ALPS in ABS. I'll let you know once i get info on that.
Well dang! I remember there being issues with dsa lightcycle but I never had issues with dcs sets like Alpine Winter or Infinity Mods. I wonder if 5 side sublimation is still an option
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 10 July 2019, 14:16:49
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 10 July 2019, 14:20:01
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 10 July 2019, 14:39:19
that's it. it's time to talk to tai hao. do it. Drop has channels with them, they've done a few custom caps for buys before. GO.
This TaiHao?
(https://i.imgur.com/PGVknCb.jpg)
I don't think T0mb3ry would be very fond of them.
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 10 July 2019, 15:08:23
that's it. it's time to talk to tai hao. do it. Drop has channels with them, they've done a few custom caps for buys before. GO.
This TaiHao?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/PGVknCb.jpg)
I don't think T0mb3ry would be very fond of them.
oops. forgot :(
Well crap. WHY do alps caps have to be so darn complicated. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Post by: vicissitude on Wed, 10 July 2019, 17:52:10
Love it so much. :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Wed, 10 July 2019, 19:36:38
No Carbon color Glorious key for SA? :( :(
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 11 July 2019, 00:45:46
No Carbon color Glorious key for SA? :( :(
SP (or rather their plastic suppliers) is inconsistent if it comes to colors. From batch to batch the colors do differ in shade. And because of this it makes little sense to offer glorious keys for other keysets.
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Post by: usually3 on Thu, 11 July 2019, 01:20:11
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 11 July 2019, 02:31:44
That means I can not offer you ALPS Yuri which is sad IMO.
I will update topic title once I get back home. And of course I will take DCS ALPS kit out.
Post by: KorbenDallas on Thu, 11 July 2019, 05:32:15
Post by: CodeMayhem on Sat, 13 July 2019, 19:10:03
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 14 July 2019, 02:11:02
Novelties
- Added Glorious keys in Yuri colors for R1 and R3.
(https://i.imgur.com/qpZh1Aj.png)
wait no glorious kit?
:D
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Sun, 14 July 2019, 02:46:37
Update
Novelties
- Added Glorious keys in Yuri colors for R1 and R3.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qpZh1Aj.png)wait no glorious kit?
:D
Sweet !
Post by: tuppaware on Sun, 14 July 2019, 21:04:27
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 15 July 2019, 12:33:40
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 July 2019, 12:56:36
Is there even a possibility of Latin alphas with Cyrillic sublegends with SP? Can we get it in this drop. May push cost a little but I am sure there is a market for them.
Maybe. I am waiting for something then i will decide.
Post by: MeloDet on Mon, 15 July 2019, 17:45:18
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 15 July 2019, 20:45:50
Ooo. In for Alps DCS
hm... awkward :p
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I just get an info from SP. Unfortunately SP does not support doubleshot ALPS at all. Say there is no alternative profile which I could take for Yuri.
That means I can not offer you ALPS Yuri which is sad IMO.
I will update topic title once I get back home. And of course I will take DCS ALPS kit out.
Post by: mimalik on Tue, 16 July 2019, 07:02:20
Is there even a possibility of Latin alphas with Cyrillic sublegends with SP? Can we get it in this drop. May push cost a little but I am sure there is a market for them.
Maybe. I am waiting for something then i will decide.
Sweeeeeeeeeeeet, there is a hope then, plz plz plz make it happen.
Post by: lewisflude on Tue, 16 July 2019, 07:51:53
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 16 July 2019, 12:35:18
- This render is only "proof of concept"
- I've finished only a small portion of this new font and i got still a lot of work to do. Yeah every key and every modifier will get new legends ;)
- I am not going to replicate old soviet boards because they have aesthetically horrible and ugly shortcut words. This is not the goal. So there will be no УПР but КОМАНДА for CONTROL. Soviet Union never made a standard Layout and if there is one then nobody cared about it if we look at the old vintage keyboards. I am going for real functionality and with full worded mods if possible. And i will be using synonyms for usual key names if needed to fit whole word into a key.
- It's going to be more US ANSI layout with Cyrillics in the upper half of the key. The number row will change in the final version to US ANSI
- If you feel some how offended then take the first point into account ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/44J2fBL.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/5pCORqV.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/HEHFsQO.png)
Cosmos version will follow.
Post by: dk4one on Tue, 16 July 2019, 12:49:27
Post by: gabe-o-tron on Tue, 16 July 2019, 13:04:12
Thanks for the work. They look cool, but to be honest with you I prefer the separate legends, either latin or cyrillics. I think one of the best thing about SA is the center legends, and most people like it because of it. I think offering three different alpha kits in one drop is already more than enough. The more kits you offer, the more spreadout the purchase will be, and the harder it gets to hit MOQ/next tier of price drop.
Totally agree. Would love a kit that's just cyrillic alphas and another that's just cyrillic modifiers.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 16 July 2019, 13:16:18
Thanks for the work. They look cool, but to be honest with you I prefer the separate legends, either latin or cyrillics. I think one of the best thing about SA is the center legends, and most people like it because of it. I think offering three different alpha kits in one drop is already more than enough. The more kits you offer, the more spreadout the purchase will be, and the harder it gets to hit MOQ/next tier of price drop.
MOQ is not an issue with SP as with GMK. And the single alphas will stay as they are.
Post by: dk4one on Tue, 16 July 2019, 13:30:28
MOQ is not an issue with SP as with GMK. And the single alphas will stay as they are.
Oh that's very nice. Good to know. I still love some heavy price drop discount tho for higher moq tier with high sale number concentrated in a few kits :D. I feel like three different alpha kits in one drop is already very healthy. But ultimately, its up to you. Still buy no matter what.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 16 July 2019, 13:53:25
(https://i.imgur.com/C1ukbVo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BRPtRNA.png)
Post by: equalunique on Tue, 16 July 2019, 13:54:23
The Cosmos version.Endgame keycaps locked-inShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/C1ukbVo.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BRPtRNA.png)
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Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 16 July 2019, 13:57:15
MOQ is not an issue with SP as with GMK. And the single alphas will stay as they are.
Oh that's very nice. Good to know. I still love some heavy price drop discount tho for higher moq tier with high sale number concentrated in a few kits :D. I feel like three different alpha kits in one drop is already very healthy. But ultimately, its up to you. Still buy no matter what.
(https://i.imgur.com/IDiyGO7.png)
Alphas don't enjoy significant price drops like other kits do, though I'm not quite sure if this pricing was even 100% correct from SP since Kobe and Gaijin had all new custom legends yet still cost the exact same as regular alphas. Rather odd. For Yuri I would probably suggest that the alternate alphas be MOQ 100 which would put them around 60$ to start with.
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Tue, 16 July 2019, 14:04:22
The Cosmos version.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/C1ukbVo.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BRPtRNA.png)
its giving me Soviet nuclear data vibes that feel pretty good. I'm also digging the vertically aligned legends like the vintage boards and space cadet.
Post by: norb on Tue, 16 July 2019, 14:19:52
Post by: monovertex on Tue, 16 July 2019, 14:33:36
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Post by: LXVRGS on Tue, 16 July 2019, 14:40:50
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 16 July 2019, 14:52:58
the "double" mod legends seem crowded imo, will there be cyrillics only mods also? or only these and the standard ones?
I doubt there will be single Cyrillic mods but we will see how things do develop.
Is the Cyrillic only still happening? That was the best part of the set :(
I did not said anywhere about Cyrillic only not happening. I just presented the renders for dual legends....
Post by: monovertex on Tue, 16 July 2019, 15:00:23
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Post by: dk4one on Tue, 16 July 2019, 15:04:23
Post by: mimalik on Tue, 16 July 2019, 15:45:01
Post by: nappis on Wed, 17 July 2019, 01:06:04
Post by: spooknik on Wed, 17 July 2019, 01:48:51
Love the dual legends
Me too. It's authentic as well, many of my Russian colleagues have keycaps with both legends.
Post by: OracleKev on Wed, 17 July 2019, 01:58:58
Love the dual legends
Me too. It's authentic as well, many of my Russian colleagues have keycaps with both legends.
Love it. Like the double legends modifiers too. :thumb:
Perfect for the theme.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 July 2019, 10:49:30
DCS ALPS Yuri kit
- Added DCS ALPS kit.
(https://i.imgur.com/fTcGG9g.png)
I apologize for the back and forth with the DCS ALPS kit. First SP said us they don't do ABS ALPS anymore because of issues with the stem. Then Melissa from SP made some test samples and then SP changed their mind. I've seen the pricing list already but i can not disclosure such information because of NDA. Tho for 50 sets the pricing is GMKish. The only info on pricing which i do miss is - does this pricing includes all the new legends or not? I guess not and it's not an issue because right now i got enough stuff to do with the new font for the double legends. And making another font for DCS ALPS would be an overkill (workload) for me at this point (Tho its doable). One thing i might include int DCS ALPS kit is an enter key with ALPS logo, so the alps users can show their flag :)
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 17 July 2019, 11:20:09
Update
DCS ALPS Yuri kit
- Added DCS ALPS kit.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fTcGG9g.png)
I apologize for the back and forth with the DCS ALPS kit. First SP said us they don't do ABS ALPS anymore because of issues with the stem. Then Melissa from SP made some test samples and then SP changed their mind. I've seen the pricing list already but i can not disclosure such information because of NDA. Tho for 50 sets the pricing is GMKish. The only info on pricing which i do miss is - does this pricing includes all the new legends or not? I guess not and it's not an issue because right now i got enough stuff to do with the new font for the double legends. And making another font for DCS ALPS would be an overkill (workload) for me at this point (Tho its doable). One thing i might include int DCS ALPS kit is an enter key with ALPS logo, so the alps users can show their flag :)
(https://i.imgur.com/nIyT189.gif)
Post by: nguyenhimself on Wed, 17 July 2019, 11:53:08
YES!!!
And the “Alps logo enter” is a good idea, if only so that in the future, one can quickly see if a build spotting Yuri keycaps is an Alps or MX one.
Post by: Vireca on Wed, 17 July 2019, 12:01:24
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 17 July 2019, 12:07:43
Good improvements on the font all around. Good job! I still see a few inconsistencies/quirks with some of the glyphs, but I'll defer my critique for now and give you time to polish and bring the font closer to its final form.
Post by: D3LTA on Wed, 17 July 2019, 12:14:32
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 July 2019, 12:17:55
УПРАВЛ instead of КОМАНДА, ДОПОЛН or СМЕНА instead of АЛЬТ? ;)
Good improvements on the font all around. Good job! I still see a few inconsistencies/quirks with some of the glyphs, but I'll defer my critique for now and give you time to polish and bring the font closer to its final form.
As i said i am not fond of УПРАВЛ as a short cut. КОМАНДА is a good synonym for it and i am keeping as it is. ДОПОЛН is a no go. СМЕНА sounds better which i might take as alternative to АЛЬТ. Tho СМЕНА could also be used for SHIFT. For SHIFT i am thinking about СДВИГ or some of its synonyms. Keep in mind there is no standard to it and it never existed. So i am kind of free to make my own standards. I want full words if possible. It should also sound nice and of course it should make sense for the particular kit.
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 17 July 2019, 12:25:17
As i said i am not fond of УПРАВЛ as a short cut. КОМАНДА is a good synonym for it and i am keeping as it is. ДОПОЛН is a no go. СМЕНА sounds better which i might take as alternative to АЛЬТ. Tho СМЕНА could also be used for SHIFT. For SHIFT i am thinking about СДВИГ or some of its synonyms. Keep in mind there is no standard to it and it never existed. So i am kind of free to make my own standards. I want full words if possible. It should also sound nice and of course it should make sense for the particular kit.
Cool, sounds good. My advice is to prefer words of Russian origin wherever possible. СДВИГ would work for Shift, yeah. СМЕНА/ЗАМЕНА fits Alt better, imo.
Btw, I forgot to say that I love the Ё as the Esc key! (even though it only makes sense on <75% layouts)
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 17 July 2019, 12:31:08
Post by: otanishock on Wed, 17 July 2019, 12:35:02
Thank you for the hard work mr. Tom... :thumb:
Post by: Rumblehotep on Wed, 17 July 2019, 12:44:34
UpdateI am so in for this
DCS ALPS Yuri kit
- Added DCS ALPS kit.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fTcGG9g.png)
I apologize for the back and forth with the DCS ALPS kit. First SP said us they don't do ABS ALPS anymore because of issues with the stem. Then Melissa from SP made some test samples and then SP changed their mind. I've seen the pricing list already but i can not disclosure such information because of NDA. Tho for 50 sets the pricing is GMKish. The only info on pricing which i do miss is - does this pricing includes all the new legends or not? I guess not and it's not an issue because right now i got enough stuff to do with the new font for the double legends. And making another font for DCS ALPS would be an overkill (workload) for me at this point (Tho its doable). One thing i might include int DCS ALPS kit is an enter key with ALPS logo, so the alps users can show their flag :)
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 17 July 2019, 13:32:21
Update
DCS ALPS Yuri kit
- Added DCS ALPS kit.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fTcGG9g.png)
How about Scroll instead of Scroll Lock? Also, what's the R3 Code for?
Post by: 8six753o9 on Wed, 17 July 2019, 13:49:52
I asked Mito about the alpha pricing during the early stages of SA Laser gb and he said they priced the regular alphas had the same pricing as Kobe and Gaijin to help spread the cost of the new legends. So basically anyone that wanted the regular alphas got screwed. I'm not sure if that was Drop's decision or Mito. I didn't join the drop because of it. Hopefully for SA Yuri, the cost will be different.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IDiyGO7.png)
Alphas don't enjoy significant price drops like other kits do, though I'm not quite sure if this pricing was even 100% correct from SP since Kobe and Gaijin had all new custom legends yet still cost the exact same as regular alphas. Rather odd. For Yuri I would probably suggest that the alternate alphas be MOQ 100 which would put them around 60$ to start with.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 July 2019, 13:51:38
How about Scroll instead of Scroll Lock?Why not? I am open to it.
Also, what's the R3 Code for?To the right of Enter (the plus key). How unfortunate don't you think? For the Info: this is GMK Carbon R1 mods with Beezarre alphas. I am using it for win/super key in WKL layouts and for any key elsewhere. Thus its Code. Every of my Projects has an R3 Code keys. This is no exception.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7849/33603794308_b9bcb4ada5_k.jpg)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 July 2019, 13:54:54
I asked Mito about the alpha pricing during the early stages of SA Laser gb and he said they priced the regular alphas had the same pricing as Kobe and Gaijin to help spread the cost of the new legends. So basically anyone that wanted the regular alphas got screwed. I'm not sure if that was Drop's decision or Mito. I didn't join the drop because of it. Hopefully for SA Yuri, the cost will be different.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IDiyGO7.png)
Alphas don't enjoy significant price drops like other kits do, though I'm not quite sure if this pricing was even 100% correct from SP since Kobe and Gaijin had all new custom legends yet still cost the exact same as regular alphas. Rather odd. For Yuri I would probably suggest that the alternate alphas be MOQ 100 which would put them around 60$ to start with.
I would do the same as MiTO. This is a GB and that means its an GROUP effort to make something happen. People are buying keys they don't need for their layout, because its a custom keyset and not a XY knockoff ready available for shipping on Amazon.
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 17 July 2019, 14:42:55
How about Scroll instead of Scroll Lock?Why not? I am open to it.
Yeah, I think it'll look cleaner with all one-line legends.
Also, what's the R3 Code for?To the right of Enter (the plus key). How unfortunate don't you think? For the Info: this is GMK Carbon R1 mods with Beezarre alphas. I am using it for win/super key in WKL layouts and for any key elsewhere. Thus its Code. Every of my Projects has an R3 Code keys. This is no exception.Show Image(https://live.staticflickr.com/7849/33603794308_b9bcb4ada5_k.jpg)
And how about R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn? They're pretty popular for covering those bottom two keys on 65%/75% boards (the other two popular choices being PgDn/End and PgDn/Fn, which are already covered by the set).
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 July 2019, 14:47:23
To the right of Enter (the plus key). How unfortunate don't you think? For the Info: this is GMK Carbon R1 mods with Beezarre alphas. I am using it for win/super key in WKL layouts and for any key elsewhere. Thus its Code. Every of my Projects has an R3 Code keys. This is no exception.Show Image(https://live.staticflickr.com/7849/33603794308_b9bcb4ada5_k.jpg)
And how about R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn? They're pretty popular for covering those bottom two keys on 65%/75% boards (along with PgDn/End and PgDn/Fn).
No more keys this is minimalist as it gets. Recent GMK keysets do not include those either. Keep in mind i need some room for novelties.
Post by: KorbenDallas on Wed, 17 July 2019, 14:49:34
Post by: mimalik on Wed, 17 July 2019, 15:26:54
I asked Mito about the alpha pricing during the early stages of SA Laser gb and he said they priced the regular alphas had the same pricing as Kobe and Gaijin to help spread the cost of the new legends. So basically anyone that wanted the regular alphas got screwed. I'm not sure if that was Drop's decision or Mito. I didn't join the drop because of it. Hopefully for SA Yuri, the cost will be different.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/IDiyGO7.png)
Alphas don't enjoy significant price drops like other kits do, though I'm not quite sure if this pricing was even 100% correct from SP since Kobe and Gaijin had all new custom legends yet still cost the exact same as regular alphas. Rather odd. For Yuri I would probably suggest that the alternate alphas be MOQ 100 which would put them around 60$ to start with.
I would do the same as MiTO. This is a GB and that means its an GROUP effort to make something happen. People are buying keys they don't need for their layout, because its a custom keyset and not a XY knockoff ready available for shipping on Amazon.
For greater good.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 July 2019, 15:51:54
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 17 July 2019, 17:53:23
So i got confirmed that the pricing for DCS ALPS was meant for the standard font which is used for DCS. Well that is OKish - i still would like to do all custom legends but its better than nothing at this moment... I will try to find a matching font for the standard DCS font and update the mockups.
There's no need to make a new font, it was already made by the DCS Cherry replica project.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170101/eb6870914cadb3e547b62d5fb1285e4f.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/nOfBWwk.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QPUMxma.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gtdvMbS.jpg)
Post by: Vireca on Wed, 17 July 2019, 18:05:12
I was wondering, these are going to be compatible with cherry stabs or original alps stabs?
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 17 July 2019, 18:13:35
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 17 July 2019, 18:31:54
In alps keyset, why is there a R1 PgDn? Who want pgdn on top of a pgup key? Also, no ESC key in blue? Only orange?
R1 Page Down is for 1800 layout support, i believe.
I was wondering, these are going to be compatible with cherry stabs or original alps stabs?
SP only has molds for Cherry Stabilizer inserts
Post by: euphxenos on Wed, 17 July 2019, 18:54:18
To the right of Enter (the plus key). How unfortunate don't you think? For the Info: this is GMK Carbon R1 mods with Beezarre alphas. I am using it for win/super key in WKL layouts and for any key elsewhere. Thus its Code. Every of my Projects has an R3 Code keys. This is no exception.Show Image(https://live.staticflickr.com/7849/33603794308_b9bcb4ada5_k.jpg)
And how about R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn? They're pretty popular for covering those bottom two keys on 65%/75% boards (along with PgDn/End and PgDn/Fn).
No more keys this is minimalist as it gets. Recent GMK keysets do not include those either. Keep in mind i need some room for novelties.
GMK Oblivion V2 and GMK Mizu are both recent GMK sets that included R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn. In upcoming GMK sets, those two keys are included in the current base kits for GMK Nord, GMK Phosphorus, GMK Night Runner, GMK Dracula (planned but not shown in the latest kit render), and GMK Rudy. They're probably more common than R2 PgUp/R3 PgDn in 65% boards at this point (Massdrop sold a lot of Alts).
Post by: King4477 on Wed, 17 July 2019, 22:20:53
To the right of Enter (the plus key). How unfortunate don't you think? For the Info: this is GMK Carbon R1 mods with Beezarre alphas. I am using it for win/super key in WKL layouts and for any key elsewhere. Thus its Code. Every of my Projects has an R3 Code keys. This is no exception.Show Image(https://live.staticflickr.com/7849/33603794308_b9bcb4ada5_k.jpg)
And how about R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn? They're pretty popular for covering those bottom two keys on 65%/75% boards (along with PgDn/End and PgDn/Fn).
No more keys this is minimalist as it gets. Recent GMK keysets do not include those either. Keep in mind i need some room for novelties.
GMK Oblivion V2 and GMK Mizu are both recent GMK sets that included R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn. In upcoming GMK sets, those two keys are included in the current base kits for GMK Nord, GMK Phosphorus, GMK Night Runner, GMK Dracula (planned but not shown in the latest kit render), and GMK Rudy. They're probably more common than R2 PgUp/R3 PgDn in 65% boards at this point (Massdrop sold a lot of Alts).
This is my current setup. Open to other configurations, though.
(https://i.imgur.com/CahlEpm.jpg)
Edit: fixed link
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 17 July 2019, 22:36:01
If you use:
R1 Delete
R2 PgUp
R3 PgDn
R4 Function
it also gives you easy access to:
Fn+Delete for Insert
Fn+PgUp for Home
Fn+PgDn for End
Doubletap function to toggle on and off a layer
Seems like a more intuitive and efficient use of the last column to me.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 18 July 2019, 00:00:27
In alps keyset, why is there a R1 PgDn? Who want pgdn on top of a pgup key? Also, no ESC key in blue? Only orange?
R1 Page Down is for 1800 layout support, i believe.
Good catch i forgot about these completely. I will then replace these with R3 PGUP and R4 PGDN keys.
Doubletap
Not every PCB supports QMK or doubletap functionality. Also this is your way to use and its your layout.
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 18 July 2019, 00:05:19
My way still gets you the entire home block on the last column :p
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Thu, 18 July 2019, 00:31:49
I don't want to use layers where I don't have to, this way everything does exactly what it says it does. no muss, no fuss.
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 18 July 2019, 00:53:08
I also prefer Delete - End - Pg Up - Pg Dn
I don't want to use layers where I don't have to, this way everything does exactly what it says it does. no muss, no fuss.
How do you go home? :)
Post by: King4477 on Thu, 18 July 2019, 02:49:31
I also prefer Delete - End - Pg Up - Pg Dn
I don't want to use layers where I don't have to, this way everything does exactly what it says it does. no muss, no fuss.
How do you go home? :)
Fn + end
I spend all day reading and writing prose, this configuration is very efficient for me.
Post by: Surefoot on Thu, 18 July 2019, 02:56:56
Home PgUp PgDown End is also ok (i believe it's most GMK sets ?)
Post by: Vireca on Thu, 18 July 2019, 07:41:44
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 18 July 2019, 11:07:43
GMK Oblivion V2 and GMK Mizu are both recent GMK sets that included R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn. In upcoming GMK sets, those two keys are included in the current base kits for GMK Nord, GMK Phosphorus, GMK Night Runner, GMK Dracula (planned but not shown in the latest kit render), and GMK Rudy. They're probably more common than R2 PgUp/R3 PgDn in 65% boards at this point (Massdrop sold a lot of Alts).
Yeah, I wanted to say this as well. Peaches n Cream is another set that's currently running and has R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn support.
Post by: harlekein on Thu, 18 July 2019, 11:10:54
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 18 July 2019, 11:11:40
I like Del PgUp PgDn Fn. I don't use the pg keys but I use Del a lot and Fn its good for a combination keys like media or so
This and similar right columns (starting with Del) that others mentioned don't work that well with split backspace layouts. PrtSc–Del–PgUp–PgDn (WhiteFox layout) is the most common right column setup on 65% boards with split backspace.
R1 Page Down is for 1800 layout support, i believe.
Good catch i forgot about these completely. I will then replace these with R3 PGUP and R4 PGDN keys.
Hurray
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 18 July 2019, 12:26:43
DCS ALPS Yuri kit
- Removed 1800er nav cluster keys since there is no numpad available.
- Added R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn keys.
- Added Yuri Novelties and АЛЬПС (ALPS phonetic in Russian) enters.
(https://i.imgur.com/PpkVRwF.png)
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 18 July 2019, 12:29:54
Post by: Capsy on Thu, 18 July 2019, 13:01:48
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 18 July 2019, 13:05:13
Post by: Vireca on Fri, 19 July 2019, 07:53:09
I like Del PgUp PgDn Fn. I don't use the pg keys but I use Del a lot and Fn its good for a combination keys like media or so
This and similar right columns (starting with Del) that others mentioned don't work that well with split backspace layouts. PrtSc–Del–PgUp–PgDn (WhiteFox layout) is the most common right column setup on 65% boards with split backspace.
Why don't work? But anyways i dont think much people use split backspace, in alps either
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 19 July 2019, 08:04:50
Why don't work? But anyways i dont think much people use split backspace, in alps either
Because Del makes more sense placed next to Backspace. If you're like me, you use split BS on every single board you can, even TKL, CP and larger. Not everyone is like that, but a lot of people do use split BS on 60%/65%/66-key/75%, which is what the set is primarily meant for. Some modern Alps PCBs do support split BS.
Post by: Vireca on Fri, 19 July 2019, 16:39:32
Dunno, I never used it. I feel more confortable with a standard backspace. Im sure i will missclick with 1u backspaceWhy don't work? But anyways i dont think much people use split backspace, in alps either
Because Del makes more sense placed next to Backspace. If you're like me, you use split BS on every single board you can, even TKL, CP and larger. Not everyone is like that, but a lot of people do use split BS on 60%/65%/66-key/75%, which is what the set is primarily meant for. Some modern Alps PCBs do support split BS.
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 19 July 2019, 16:50:12
Dunno, I never used it. I feel more confortable with a standard backspace. Im sure i will missclick with 1u backspace
It's 1.5u. And you're less prone to mispressing it than standard Backspace. Try it, you'll see :)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 19 July 2019, 17:02:47
Once i got enough stuff for the update i will publish the current kits.
Post by: Applet on Sat, 20 July 2019, 11:45:13
Post by: AuDiTH on Sat, 20 July 2019, 12:43:28
Post by: Poohammer on Wed, 24 July 2019, 04:49:23
The Cosmos version.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/C1ukbVo.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BRPtRNA.png)
LOVE the look of this set and the dual legends.
Post by: EMC Labs on Wed, 24 July 2019, 04:54:51
Post by: CodeMayhem on Wed, 24 July 2019, 21:26:36
Update
Novelties
- Added Glorious keys in Yuri colors for R1 and R3.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qpZh1Aj.png)wait no glorious kit?
:D
I'm with you comrade!
Post by: d.caminero on Thu, 25 July 2019, 01:49:06
Update
DCS ALPS Yuri kit
- Removed 1800er nav cluster keys since there is no numpad available.
- Added R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn keys.
- Added Yuri Novelties and АЛЬПС (ALPS phonetic in Russian) enters.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/PpkVRwF.png)
Is there any way that you add keys to support split spacebar? Even if they are just extra shifts in the accent color? or just blanks?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 25 July 2019, 12:26:24
Update
DCS ALPS Yuri kit
- Removed 1800er nav cluster keys since there is no numpad available.
- Added R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn keys.
- Added Yuri Novelties and АЛЬПС (ALPS phonetic in Russian) enters.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/PpkVRwF.png)
Is there any way that you add keys to support split spacebar? Even if they are just extra shifts in the accent color? or just blanks?
Unfortunately not this time. Current alps kit is just an experiment and i want to offer it with the lowest MOQ and because of that it will have quite high price tag. With higher sold numbers it will of course drop but i have no idea how many people are interested in it. Nobody can tell it at this moment. Also i think if this experiment goes well then i am sure some designers will also try to offer alps kits in the future. So probably and hopefully it will fruit in more individual alps sets.
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 25 July 2019, 17:39:17
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 25 July 2019, 17:45:34
Any fresh progress on the русские легенды and Gorton Modified Cyrillic? :)
I am doing mod kits overhaul. Dual mods are already done but i would not make an update without every kit covered.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 26 July 2019, 15:11:25
- Modifiers extension kit has been removed.
- Modifiers kit has been reworked and new modifiers kits were added
Modifiers kit
(https://i.imgur.com/FiwQCB3.png)
Cyrillic modifiers kit
ps. Ignore that blank key in row1 i just oversaw it. It will be removed in the next update.
(https://i.imgur.com/lxNDjW2.png)
Dual modifiers kit
(https://i.imgur.com/j4dH0Kr.png)
DCS ALPS Yuri
- Added R1 1u Delete key.
(https://i.imgur.com/kkO9QkW.png)
In the next update
I will rework all alphas and the numpad kit. There will be latin and cyrillic alphas in regular color and there will be latin and dual alphas in cosmos color. The numpad kit will get both alpha colors.
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 26 July 2019, 16:57:28
Anything better than ЭКРАН for ScrLk? I get what you were going for, but honestly it reminds me of PrtSc much more than ScrLk. КУРСОР, at least?
Speaking of PrtSc, what do you think about ПЕЧАТЬ instead of ПРИНТ? Or ЭКРАН, even?
Did you give up on СМЕНА for Alt? ВАРИАНТ is kinda... bleh. Plus, it's too wide compared to ALT, whereas the other mod legends (e.g. КОМАНДА) match their English counterparts in width pretty well.
This feels like a lot of criticism, but in reality the kits are looking much better now imo! Keep up the good work.
Post by: digid3ar on Fri, 26 July 2019, 17:51:52
Post by: CodeMayhem on Fri, 26 July 2019, 18:23:24
one Cyrillic modifiers kit pls, i need it now
he just added it?
Edit: lul I can read
Post by: CodeMayhem on Fri, 26 July 2019, 18:25:14
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Fri, 26 July 2019, 18:27:57
does you adding the dual font mods mean that a dual alphas kit is coming? preferably in cosmos ;D
Quote
In the next update
I will rework all alphas and the numpad kit. There will be latin and cyrillic alphas in regular color and there will be latin and dual alphas in cosmos color. The numpad kit will get both alpha colors.
So many good options! :cool:
Post by: Katsurio on Fri, 26 July 2019, 18:33:13
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 26 July 2019, 19:38:04
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 27 July 2019, 03:32:04
ne R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn avail?Yeah will add in the next update.
Anything better than ЭКРАН for ScrLk? I get what you were going for, but honestly it reminds me of PrtSc much more than ScrLk. КУРСОР, at least?I think ЭКРАН does match pretty well. Thing is the scroll lock does change the arrow key behavior. ScrLk toggles into "screen mode/browse mode" (in case your current application supports this mode at all).
КУРСОР is the default mode. Say if its not toggled on.
The direct Russian translation of scroll does not match the real purpose. In that mode you don't scroll (прокручиваешь) but you are browsing by using arrow keys. Anyway most of those words are too long.
Speaking of PrtSc, what do you think about ПЕЧАТЬ instead of ПРИНТ? Or ЭКРАН, even?Well ПРИНТ is a direct translation and there is actually no direct synonyms for it. I know what you mean with ПЕЧАТЬ but it does not really match the translation. Printer is called принтер in Russian and not печатныи станок/агрегат/диваис итд.итп.
So for an alternative we need too look that this key actually does nowadays. And actually this key has nothing to do more with print. It does make screen shot and copies it into clipboard. So as you suggested ЭКРАН does match it pretty well but it is already on the ScrLk key and as long as i don't have proper alternative it shall stay there. So another word which might match the purpose is the БУФЕР for clipboard.
Did you give up on СМЕНА for Alt? ВАРИАНТ is kinda... bleh. Plus, it's too wide compared to ALT, whereas the other mod legends (e.g. КОМАНДА) match their English counterparts in width pretty well.I don't think СМЕНА match it very well. СМЕНА does match more Shift. ВАРИАНТ is an indirect synonym for АЛЬТЕРНАТИВА and it does match the real purpose of the key. I am open for another indirect synonym but it should match the real purpose of the key.
Btw. ALT is a shortcut of ALTERNATIVE or ALTERNATE and i can try to full word it. I think ALTERNATE might match at least on a 1.25u key.
This feels like a lot of criticism, but in reality the kits are looking much better now imo! Keep up the good work.
Nah everything is alright. Keep on going, it helps me to find alternatives.
I see ScrLk in the Alps set is still using "Scroll Lock" for the legend. Is this deliberate? There's still time, do the right thing and change it to "Scroll" :DYeah i change it to "Scroll" ;)
Post by: norb on Sat, 27 July 2019, 04:13:16
Nice.
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 27 July 2019, 04:24:12
How about using ФИКС for ScrLk to match the English LOCK legend, and then using ЭКРАН for PrtSc?Anything better than ЭКРАН for ScrLk? I get what you were going for, but honestly it reminds me of PrtSc much more than ScrLk. КУРСОР, at least?I think ЭКРАН does match pretty well. Thing is the scroll lock does change the arrow key behavior. ScrLk toggles into "screen mode/browse mode" (in case your current application supports this mode at all).
КУРСОР is the default mode. Say if its not toggled on.
The direct Russian translation of scroll does not match the real purpose. In that mode you don't scroll (прокручиваешь) but you are browsing by using arrow keys. Anyway most of those words are too long.Speaking of PrtSc, what do you think about ПЕЧАТЬ instead of ПРИНТ? Or ЭКРАН, even?Well ПРИНТ is a direct translation and there is actually no direct synonyms for it. I know what you mean with ПЕЧАТЬ but it does not really match the translation. Printer is called принтер in Russian and not печатныи станок/агрегат/диваис итд.итп.
So for an alternative we need too look that this key actually does nowadays. And actually this key has nothing to do more with print. It does make screen shot and copies it into clipboard. So as you suggested ЭКРАН does match it pretty well but it is already on the ScrLk key and as long as i don't have proper alternative it shall stay there. So another word which might match the purpose is the БУФЕР for clipboard.
Btw. ALT is a shortcut of ALTERNATIVE or ALTERNATE and i can try to full word it. I think ALTERNATE might match at least on a 1.25u key.I like this idea,
В А Р И А Н Т
ALTERNATE
could work. And I like that the set is going with longer legends in general, so it would match well. But I'll try to come up with another alternative for the Alt legend in any case.
:thumb:ne R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn avail?Yeah will add in the next update.I see ScrLk in the Alps set is still using "Scroll Lock" for the legend. Is this deliberate? There's still time, do the right thing and change it to "Scroll" :DYeah i change it to "Scroll" ;)
Post by: mimalik on Sat, 27 July 2019, 20:24:25
Post by: mimalik on Sat, 27 July 2019, 20:26:00
Post by: CodeMayhem on Sun, 28 July 2019, 10:47:42
After SA Laser, this ll be my most expensive caps purchase, can easily see the bill going well over $600.
same so many kits i want. really just too many keysets i want rn; serika, dracula, sanctuary, and kaiju. plus i already got oblivion and olive. rip wallet
Post by: Anakey on Mon, 29 July 2019, 05:29:05
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 29 July 2019, 12:17:22
will there be a Cyrillic numpad and 1.25 ISO shift?
There will be no Cyrillic numpad unfortunately. It is already a dilemma with all the alphas and modifiers varieties. ISO shift is available in UK ISO but only in latin.
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 30 July 2019, 02:50:47
In the next update
I will rework all alphas and the numpad kit. There will be latin and cyrillic alphas in regular color and there will be latin and dual alphas in cosmos color.
I'm begging you, cyrillic mono alphas in cosmos color would be amazing.
Post by: Anakey on Tue, 30 July 2019, 06:07:01
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 30 July 2019, 06:27:56
are there supposed to be 2x 2.25 shift keys?
Yes for the leopold 660 like layout.
Post by: Anakey on Tue, 30 July 2019, 06:51:46
Post by: d.caminero on Tue, 30 July 2019, 07:16:45
In the next update
I will rework all alphas and the numpad kit. There will be latin and cyrillic alphas in regular color and there will be latin and dual alphas in cosmos color.
I'm begging you, cyrillic mono alphas in cosmos color would be amazing.
+1 to that. Cyrillic mono alphas look far better than dual IMO, specially in Cosmos color.
Post by: Dumble_Hub on Wed, 31 July 2019, 20:01:38
Post by: tuppaware on Thu, 01 August 2019, 21:48:48
Post by: CodeMayhem on Sat, 03 August 2019, 10:57:53
Update
Novelties
- Added Glorious keys in Yuri colors for R1 and R3.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qpZh1Aj.png)wait no glorious kit?
:D
not super important but are you willing to add the OG glorious key too??
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 03 August 2019, 11:47:01
If I remember right, it was yellow on red. Well that's quite possible. I'll look into it.Update
Novelties
- Added Glorious keys in Yuri colors for R1 and R3.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qpZh1Aj.png)wait no glorious kit?
:D
not super important but are you willing to add the OG glorious key too??
Post by: iammeuru on Sat, 03 August 2019, 12:34:19
Post by: Capsy on Sat, 03 August 2019, 13:30:22
I know you can't satisfy everyone, but it kinda sucks that the alps set had 1800 and full size support removed. I mostly want it to be able to cover 1800s (so few alps sets can do that)Seconded. The TKC 1800 R3 is alps compatible but it sucks that I won't be able to put this on it.
I know that 1800 support might make the set expensive but given SP's low MOQs it might be a good idea to look into it.
Post by: euphxenos on Sat, 03 August 2019, 13:33:54
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 03 August 2019, 13:59:28
Would you be willing to offer Alps numpad support in a separate kit from the base Alps kit? Let it hit MOQ or not on its own, and see if the interest is there.
+1 for this idea. If 1800/full-size support is offered, it should be in a separate kit.
Post by: shensmobile on Sat, 03 August 2019, 19:42:41
Post by: CarlQs on Sat, 03 August 2019, 22:26:33
Post by: SlamMakanen on Sun, 04 August 2019, 04:12:45
Update
Novelties
- Added Glorious keys in Yuri colors for R1 and R3.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qpZh1Aj.png)wait no glorious kit?
:D
Holy crap! An ISO NOVELTY????
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Post by: tronix_41 on Sun, 04 August 2019, 09:32:20
Post by: CodeMayhem on Sun, 04 August 2019, 12:02:28
plans for r3 1u novelties like the 1,25u and 1,5u?
there weren't any in the gmk run so...
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 05 August 2019, 03:05:58
plans for r3 1u novelties like the 1,25u and 1,5u?
there weren't any in the gmk run so...
Post by: tronix_41 on Mon, 05 August 2019, 03:15:59
Post by: jacobavenkraft on Wed, 07 August 2019, 14:14:08
Post by: menuhin on Wed, 07 August 2019, 14:31:43
potentially DCS ALPS Yuri.
CosmosShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/QPsg973.png)
DCS ALPS YuriShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/kkO9QkW.png)
Hope the DCS ALPS Yuri can have drastic design like Cosmos instead.
Plus I wish for a 6u Alps spacebar...
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 07 August 2019, 14:48:27
Salt?
Well why not. I will add some salt to novelties in the next possible update.
potentially DCS ALPS Yuri.
CosmosShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/QPsg973.png)
DCS ALPS YuriShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/kkO9QkW.png)
Hope the DCS ALPS Yuri can have drastic design like Cosmos instead.
Plus I wish for a 6u Alps spacebar...
Unfortunately not this time. This is just an experimental kit which should show if its feasible/possible to offer alps kits.
plans for r3 1u novelties like the 1,25u and 1,5u?
The cosmonaut helmet does not fit 1u key. Also i want equal scaling for novelties. So down scaling is a no go.
Post by: tronix_41 on Wed, 07 August 2019, 15:06:37
Post by: Little4Real on Thu, 08 August 2019, 01:40:46
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Thu, 08 August 2019, 02:01:46
Post by: adamcobabe on Thu, 08 August 2019, 05:11:28
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 17 August 2019, 14:57:56
- complete alphas overhaul due to the modifiers changes
Alphas
(https://i.imgur.com/GEKMz7a.png)
Cyrillics
- Cyrillics is now using the same Font as in Dual Cosmos
(https://i.imgur.com/ysBhwg4.png)
Cosmos
(https://i.imgur.com/NNuNjJI.png)
Dual Cosmos
(https://i.imgur.com/dP93Yls.png)
Numpad kit
(https://i.imgur.com/z8prd3O.png)
Post by: nappis on Sat, 17 August 2019, 15:26:41
Post by: LXVRGS on Sat, 17 August 2019, 15:53:11
Post by: dvorcol on Sat, 17 August 2019, 18:13:02
Only thing I'd suggest would be maybe have the dual legends offset similar to how SA laser did the gaijin kit.
+1
Post by: OracleKev on Sat, 17 August 2019, 22:22:38
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 18 August 2019, 02:51:56
Only thing I'd suggest would be maybe have the dual legends offset similar to how SA laser did the gaijin kit.
That would make it very busy. I've tried this already with GMK Yuri. Gaijin works because eastern cultures are using completely different letter/symbol style - compared to western cultures.
I've decided to take the space cadet approach and it works quite well.
Post by: Anakey on Mon, 19 August 2019, 09:31:57
Post by: Tyson on Wed, 21 August 2019, 16:53:17
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 21 August 2019, 18:28:41
Thoughts?
Post by: Anakey on Thu, 22 August 2019, 02:07:23
So here’s a quick q for someone that might happen to know. Are there any boards out there or coming up that will have alps compatibility with cherry PCB stabilizers? Also, if so, are the plates out there for either alps switch with cherry plate or cherry PCB cutouts? I think the M0110 has this (although it seems to be quite delayed), but I don’t know of any others.
Thoughts?
As long as the pcb supports alps and that the gb owner is willing to release plate files then there are a number of people in the community that would be able to replace the cherry holes with alps ones, the main limiting factor would be the pcb itself. Depending on how popular this drop goes and if any other designers also run alps and assuming SP is willing to run them then there may be more pcbs made in the future that include the additional capacity assuming the people wanting alps is greater then those that complain about having a single hole they can't use in the pcb.
Post by: Applet on Thu, 22 August 2019, 04:15:20
So here’s a quick q for someone that might happen to know. Are there any boards out there or coming up that will have alps compatibility with cherry PCB stabilizers? Also, if so, are the plates out there for either alps switch with cherry plate or cherry PCB cutouts? I think the M0110 has this (although it seems to be quite delayed), but I don’t know of any others.Yes, there are PCBs that support both cherry and alps switches that has support for cherry mx pcb mount stabilizers. I'm currently designing a alps-pcb because I wanted a PCB designed for alps (not designed for cherry but with alps support) with cherry stabilizer support, can do a GB (if I get some help) if there is interest. You can easily generate plates with cherry pcb mount stabilizers, but with alps switch cutout (or support both alps and cherry)
Thoughts?
Post by: jacobavenkraft on Sun, 25 August 2019, 19:34:17
Post by: PandaSuit on Sun, 25 August 2019, 21:26:43
Post by: hyppialonso on Mon, 26 August 2019, 05:23:09
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 26 August 2019, 08:59:39
Would be nice to get a "Поехали!" novelties, the word that Yuri Gagarin said when the rocket was going of the ground. On Enter may be?
I like this idea.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 26 August 2019, 10:20:29
Would be nice to get a "Поехали!" novelties, the word that Yuri Gagarin said when the rocket was going of the ground. On Enter may be?
That is possible. Tho it will be the new font and thus it will match only cyrillic or dual mods.
For the 40's kit, I would love to see the addition of an R4 Up to support those Ortho users who use a normal arrow layout in the bottom right corner (a very common layout for Ortho users). If that isn't possible then an acceptable alternative would be the addition of an arrows kit. Of course I would really like to see 40's support for the Cyrillic legends but I know that multiple versions of things like Ergo and 40's are rarely made so I understand -- that being said, if a few more keys existed in the regular mod kits then they could potentially support at least Ortho 40's.
I'll add r4 up key in the next update to the 40% kit.
Is it going to be live on drop following MT3 Serika?
No. I think next set will be GMK one. Yuri will drop somewhere in Q4 (October, November or December).
Post by: ABrotherThatIsUndercover on Mon, 26 August 2019, 16:45:09
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 26 August 2019, 16:52:34
SP SA Yuri and DCS ALPS Yuri will drop in October.
So basically one month to go ;)
Post by: mimalik on Tue, 27 August 2019, 07:51:03
Post by: mimalik on Tue, 27 August 2019, 08:22:29
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 27 August 2019, 10:39:26
Last ditch plea....any possibility to introduce a new kit of dual cosmos in same colours as base alphas?
I wish but i got already 4 alphas which is insane :/
Post by: mimalik on Tue, 27 August 2019, 10:42:46
Post by: Vox_Reticuli on Wed, 28 August 2019, 08:46:08
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 05 September 2019, 13:21:18
DCS ALPS Yuri
- Added glorious keys
- Changed the Font to the one which matches the end product better.
- Changed the icon mods to text only. Thing is i do not recognize any only icon mods except for Cherry style ones (because they are the best period ....). The standard icons i've seen on DCS profile do not appeal to me. I've seen a DCS set with only words mods and it looks way cleaner. I hope you appreciate this change.
(https://i.imgur.com/1nd2miA.png)
Post by: Kokaloo on Thu, 05 September 2019, 13:27:06
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 05 September 2019, 13:51:09
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 05 September 2019, 13:55:51
Rip 1800-style support in the SA version. No R1 PageDown at all and the only R1 End key is English text only. :(
I had to double-check the kits to see that was true - that seems a bit too much to exclude 1800/CP support as it's meant to be.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 05 September 2019, 14:26:38
Rip 1800-style support in the SA version. No R1 PageDown at all and the only R1 End key is English text only. :(
This is not an issue. I see that you mean and i will add those keys asap. This is interest check right ? ;)
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 05 September 2019, 14:39:54
Rip 1800-style support in the SA version. No R1 PageDown at all and the only R1 End key is English text only. :(
This is not an issue. I see that you mean and i will add those keys asap. This is interest check right ? ;)
You the man my dude, I was almost certain it was a bit too far along at this point for changes. Time to save up and wonder if I need plain dual alphas or dark, or both rip my wallet.
Post by: piit79 on Thu, 05 September 2019, 15:00:51
For the infoShut up wallet!
SP SA Yuri and DCS ALPS Yuri will drop in October.
So basically one month to go ;)
Great work, can't wait 
By the way, any chance you could add Preonic support to the 40% kit? I'm missing a few 1u keys (in order of priority /for me/):
- R2 Delete
- R1 Backspace (could use a novelty instead, but I'd rather put the novelty cap to top left)
- R1 Esc, possibly accented (could use `~ instead and put Esc on R3)
So basically the only key I couldn't substitute well is the 1u R2 Delete (I'd have to use \|).
I know we're in a great minority compared to Planck users, but one can dream, right?
Post by: Rob27shred on Thu, 05 September 2019, 15:32:07
Update
DCS ALPS Yuri
- Added glorious keys
- Changed the Font to the one which matches the end product better.
- Changed the icon mods to text only. Thing is i do not recognize any only icon mods except for Cherry style ones (because they are the best period ....). The standard icons i've seen on DCS profile do not appeal to me. I've seen a DCS set with only words mods and it looks way cleaner. I hope you appreciate this change.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1nd2miA.png)
I think text only mods is the right call here. I'm typing this on DCS Toxic which has icon & text mods, & the icons are definitely not as sharp as similar GMK sets. Although they are the same icons as GMK uses on their icon & text mods, not sure what icons SP would would use for icon only modifier set one DCS?
Edit: Oh BTW, before I forget why I even started this response. Any possibility for getting a black R1 1u pipe key? I see you got a black tilde & it would kinda be a shame to not have a black R1 1u pipe key. I usually put the mod colored tilde & 1u pipe keys on my split backspace boards is why I would want to see it added to the set. Not sure how many other's would have interest in it for the same reason though?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 05 September 2019, 15:53:03
Dual Modifiers
- Changed ALT to ALTER in order to make it more wide, which matches ВАРИАНТ better. ALTERNATE is little bit too wide for 1.25u key...
(https://i.imgur.com/mhUrUH1.png)
40% kit
- Added Preonic support (see the R1 keys).
- Added R2 1u DEL key.
(https://i.imgur.com/SBhGKsR.png)
Numpad kit
- Added missing keys for 1800 layout (R1 "DEL", "END" and "PAGE DOWN" keys).
(https://i.imgur.com/6n1nZlj.png)
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 05 September 2019, 16:24:01
Post by: piit79 on Thu, 05 September 2019, 16:24:12
40% kit
- Added Preonic support (see the R1 keys).
- Added R2 1u DEL key.
Awesome, you're the man! Now I have to get the set, no way around it
Post by: ZivZulander on Thu, 05 September 2019, 16:47:52
;D
This set looks fantastic! A nice Oktober surprise for Alps fans.
Post by: Dumble_Hub on Thu, 05 September 2019, 17:09:52
Update
DCS ALPS Yuri
- Added glorious keys
- Changed the Font to the one which matches the end product better.
- Changed the icon mods to text only. Thing is i do not recognize any only icon mods except for Cherry style ones (because they are the best period ....). The standard icons i've seen on DCS profile do not appeal to me. I've seen a DCS set with only words mods and it looks way cleaner. I hope you appreciate this change.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/1nd2miA.png)
OMG so happy you added the glorious keys, what would this set be without them?!
Post by: MythicCynic on Thu, 05 September 2019, 17:28:46
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Thu, 05 September 2019, 23:21:57
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Post by: waldorf120 on Thu, 05 September 2019, 23:52:08
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 06 September 2019, 00:46:39
Big sad about no numpad for Alps. I know I'm a minority though. Glad to see any support at all!If DCS ALPS Yuri sells well, then I'll look into including an appropriate numpad kit during the drop. But it has to snowball first. Otherwise let's see how it goes, because that base set will cost approximately between 140 and 150 $ on lowest moq.
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Post by: Anakey on Fri, 06 September 2019, 08:59:09
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 06 September 2019, 10:10:19
There are now two R1 End keys in numpad kit. Maybe have an = key instead?
Lawl.... good catch. Yeah = should it be in the next update.
Post by: Dumble_Hub on Fri, 06 September 2019, 11:49:37
Big sad about no numpad for Alps. I know I'm a minority though. Glad to see any support at all!If DCS ALPS Yuri sells well, then I'll look into including an appropriate numpad kit during the drop. But it has to snowball first. Otherwise let's see how it goes, because that base set will cost approximately between 140 and 150 $ on lowest moq.
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Do you have any interest in possibly getting an artisan, cable or deskmat collaboration going? Kinda like what we have seen with carbon and other popular keysets.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 06 September 2019, 11:53:37
Big sad about no numpad for Alps. I know I'm a minority though. Glad to see any support at all!If DCS ALPS Yuri sells well, then I'll look into including an appropriate numpad kit during the drop. But it has to snowball first. Otherwise let's see how it goes, because that base set will cost approximately between 140 and 150 $ on lowest moq.
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Do you have any interest in possibly getting an artisan, cable or deskmat collaboration going? Kinda like what we have seen with carbon and other popular keysets.
There will be definitely artisans in Yuri colors ;)
Deskmat was already available for the purchase during Space Cadet sale.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4884/45071049554_532132370a_k.jpg)
Post by: mimalik on Fri, 06 September 2019, 13:28:36
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 06 September 2019, 13:33:19
Some renders for dual legends set plz, n more renders for other kits as well. Warming up my wallet for this.
Well Oblotzky is right now in vocation until level 60.... :))
Post by: Vox_Reticuli on Fri, 06 September 2019, 13:53:08
Also, thank you for making this possible in the first place.
Post by: Chrislol on Sun, 08 September 2019, 00:26:41
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 11 September 2019, 15:00:15
Die Kirsche
- Merged with Novelties
Novelties
- Added 'Die Kirsche' keys
(https://i.imgur.com/kqzKJ9K.png)
Numpad
- Replaced one of the Del keys with = key.
(https://i.imgur.com/kMzRYtA.png)
Since the drop starts next month i will finalize the kits by the end of this week. So if you got a suggestion or you see any issue then reply/suggest/complain now ;)
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 11 September 2019, 19:42:11
MoreUpdateSince the drop starts next month i will finalize the kits by the end of this week. So if you got a suggestion or you see any issue then reply/suggest/complain now ;)
Die Kirsche
- Merged with Novelties
Novelties
- Added 'Die Kirsche' keysShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/kqzKJ9K.png)
Numpad
- Replaced one of the Del keys with = key.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/kMzRYtA.png)
Sorry but i am not supporting colevrak and international kits anymore, due to the chronical unfulfillment of the MOQ for those kits. If there is not enough interest/demand in those kits then i am not going to offer those. Yuri is also not that popular as Laser or Oblivion and in those drops colevrak and international kits did it tightly.
Since SP could have low MOQ, I think that Yuri is popular enough to sell at least 25 or more units at a higher(but still reasonable) price or so, even if it does not reach more than 50. But it's your design and up to you to make the decision. Thanks.
Thats the dilemma here, with lower moq the pricing will go up and i am not sure if people who are really interested in getting Yuri with colevrak will still be ready to get it. And MOQ of 50 is too high. Realistically it would be MOQ of 25. There are also Cyrillic alphas which do rival (because its an alternative) the colevrak and international kit. Cyrillic (if you don't really use it for Russian layout) can be used like blanks and do fit that way any layout.MoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Xe2Fwgy.png)
No no-accent R3 Esc?
I kind of disagree with including only mod colored spacebars here instead of the accent kit, that would be like including a mod colored 6.25U space bar with the modifier kit.
Non-accent R3 Esc will be added in the next update.
regarding the mod colored spacebars i need to rework the spacebar distribution across the kits.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/TLCbHt2.jpg)
Thanks Tuxedo Mask!
P.S. no i am not watching Sailor Moon but i know it from my youth ;)
DCS ALPS Yuri
As i said DCS ALPS Yuri is experimental set and i am offering only one base kit. I am not planning to add more kits for DCS ALPS!
I am also not sure about the font. As you can see i made it cherry like and making all the new legends might make this kit very expensive. So there are things to think about... It is quite possible that i will discard whole DCS ALPS idea if the pricing goes too high.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wYeIQD3.png)
I am in for Alps DCS! Can I just give you my money now instead of waiting until autumn?
Does the Alps set need to have the Cherry font? I would be fine with whatever font SP has. I'm assuming it would look something like Midnight DCS set.
I think it does not need the font tho i really prefer the font. The thing is, i have to see that SP got and i will decide later. Otherwise the cherry font would make it all more expensive because every key will be a custom legend.
Not complaining, just an idea: take this opportunity to run an experiment. Offer a Colevrak+ and International kits with 25 MOQ and the associated higher prices. Strictly enforce these MOQs; cancel a kit even if 24 are ordered. Worst case, Drop will end up canceling 48 people's full orders. But perhaps there are enough SA Yuri fans willing to pay the higher price for their alternate layout.
Post by: jacobavenkraft on Thu, 12 September 2019, 11:03:40
Since the drop starts next month i will finalize the kits by the end of this week. So if you got a suggestion or you see any issue then reply/suggest/complain now ;)
Please don't forget an R4 "UP" key for the 40's kit for those of us who prefer a traditionally oriented directional cluster. I know you already said you would add it so I'm just hoping it isn't forgotten.
An R3 2u horizontal novelty would be fun! But the only set I've ever gotten a 2u novelty with is GMK Metaverse so I'm not counting on it. :)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 12 September 2019, 13:55:55
40%
- Added 1u R4 UP key.
(https://i.imgur.com/JDvIDbd.png)
Since the drop starts next month i will finalize the kits by the end of this week. So if you got a suggestion or you see any issue then reply/suggest/complain now ;)
Please don't forget an R4 "UP" key for the 40's kit for those of us who prefer a traditionally oriented directional cluster. I know you already said you would add it so I'm just hoping it isn't forgotten.
An R3 2u horizontal novelty would be fun! But the only set I've ever gotten a 2u novelty with is GMK Metaverse so I'm not counting on it. :)
Thanks for reminding me ;)
Post by: Rob27shred on Thu, 12 September 2019, 14:22:31
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Thu, 12 September 2019, 15:32:38
Would this be the very first DCS ALPS set with the Wyse legends? Cherry font has been the standard for the few DCS ALPS sets that have been created and for good reason - apart from being the clear favorite of the community at large - the limited DCS ALPS GB sets and the very rare FAME boards are the only sources for Cherry font on ALPS stems. I thought the major reason the ALPS kit was so barebones- no Cyrillics or numpad - was to ensure it hits MOQ? I'd have thought that the Cherry legends were important to that. Maybe I am wrong and there is enough love just based on the option/cw.
Now that I think about it, is there even a precedent for the Cherry icon mods on DCS? The current legends seem to me like the worst of 5 legend-consistent options assuming Cherry icons do not exist:
2. Wyse font & icon only mods
3. Wyse font & icon + text
4. Wyse font & text only mods
It seems common knowledge to me that Wyse font is less preferable than Cherry and that the same could be said for text only mods vs icon only or icon + text, even in the Wyse font. Removing the generally preferred options makes me less interested.
P.S. are there supposed to be 3 "End" keys in the ALPS mockup? (that was the old mockup, I think, nevermind)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 12 September 2019, 16:01:46
I'm surprised I'm the only one not happy with how the ALPS set has changed.
Would this be the very first DCS ALPS set with the Wyse legends? Cherry font has been the standard for the few DCS ALPS sets that have been created and for good reason - apart from being the clear favorite of the community at large - the limited DCS ALPS GB sets and the very rare FAME boards are the only sources for Cherry font on ALPS stems. I thought the major reason the ALPS kit was so barebones- no Cyrillics or numpad - was to ensure it hits MOQ? I'd have thought that the Cherry legends were important to that. Maybe I am wrong and there is enough love just based on the option/cw.
Now that I think about it, is there even a precedent for the Cherry icon mods on DCS? The current legends seem to me like the worst of 5 legend-consistent options assuming Cherry icons do not exist:
1. Cherry font & icon+text mods
2. Wyse font & icon only mods
3. Wyse font & icon + text
3. Cherry font & text only mods
4. Wyse font & text only mods
It seems common knowledge to me that Wyse font is less preferable than Cherry and that the same could be said for text only mods vs icon only or icon + text, even in the Wyse font. Removing the generally preferred options makes me less interested.
P.S. are there supposed to be 3 "End" keys in the ALPS mockup? (that was the old mockup, I think, nevermind)
Honestly i would love to make Cherry legends instead of WYSE. However the cherry you do know for DCS Profile are not free to use and i will not be able to use it. I said it already in previous posts. So the only option right now is the WYSE. And from all the pictures i've seen only word mods is the cleanest. If i would choose icons then only Cherry but this is not the case here.
So its going to be WYSE with only word mods...
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Thu, 12 September 2019, 16:14:17
(https://preview.redd.it/tcez8u0hu6y01.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=c640ac69615611f2b8dc42f6076d5d32f96d6c24) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=71324.0;attach=98455;image)
Then, I think that would also make this the first set with WYSE text only mods. Of course, WYSE had a few examples of their own but, like above, they were top adjusted? The center adjusted legends also used icons as far as I'm aware.
I love the color but this honestly a much different set now
Post by: Dumble_Hub on Thu, 12 September 2019, 18:00:51
Post by: dallman5 on Thu, 12 September 2019, 23:12:50
Fair enough, I didn't know it would be more expensive to use the Cherry legends. Maybe it is a subjective thing but one quick look at the difference between Icon only and Text only makes it an easy decision for me.Show Image(https://preview.redd.it/tcez8u0hu6y01.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=c640ac69615611f2b8dc42f6076d5d32f96d6c24)Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=71324.0;attach=98455;image)
Then, I think that would also make this the first set with WYSE text only mods. Of course, WYSE had a few examples of their own but, like above, they were top adjusted? The center adjusted legends also used icons as far as I'm aware.
I love the color but this honestly a much different set now
I’d just like to say that I agree with you, text-only mods are my least favorite on cylindrical caps by a fair margin. It would be really cool if we could get some icon mods a la DCS Red Alert though!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 12 September 2019, 23:53:01
Fair enough, I didn't know it would be more expensive to use the Cherry legends. Maybe it is a subjective thing but one quick look at the difference between Icon only and Text only makes it an easy decision for me.Show Image(https://preview.redd.it/tcez8u0hu6y01.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=c640ac69615611f2b8dc42f6076d5d32f96d6c24)Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=71324.0;attach=98455;image)
Then, I think that would also make this the first set with WYSE text only mods. Of course, WYSE had a few examples of their own but, like above, they were top adjusted? The center adjusted legends also used icons as far as I'm aware.
I love the color but this honestly a much different set now
If i look at the icon mods and how inconsistent they are i definitely don't want it. Shift icon are different size. Enter arrow has different size compared to arrows. Again: the only icon mods i do accept are the OG Cherry. Unfortunately those are not available for DCS.s
Here is the example of text only mods how its going to look. The WYSE board you posted has different alignment.
(https://i.imgur.com/jwsK6Gt.jpg)
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Fri, 13 September 2019, 09:46:16
Fair enough, I didn't know it would be more expensive to use the Cherry legends. Maybe it is a subjective thing but one quick look at the difference between Icon only and Text only makes it an easy decision for me.Show Image(https://preview.redd.it/tcez8u0hu6y01.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=c640ac69615611f2b8dc42f6076d5d32f96d6c24)Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=71324.0;attach=98455;image)
Then, I think that would also make this the first set with WYSE text only mods. Of course, WYSE had a few examples of their own but, like above, they were top adjusted? The center adjusted legends also used icons as far as I'm aware.
I love the color but this honestly a much different set now
If i look at the icon mods and how inconsistent they are i definitely don't want it. Shift icon are different size. Enter arrow has different size compared to arrows. Again: the only icon mods i do accept are the OG Cherry. Unfortunately those are not available for DCS.s
Here is the example of text only mods how its going to look. The WYSE board you posted has different alignment.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jwsK6Gt.jpg)
As much as the icons are not ideal, neither is the font. buttt I think its growing on me, especially as I look at WKL pictures of DCS percent. Your colorway and novelties are better too. Just please dont make the arrows up down left and right :))
Post by: Dizz_cz on Fri, 13 September 2019, 10:27:04
But I have some "problems" with Super/Meta key. I think the latin Meta surrounded Cyrillic texts looks terrible and Super/Meta on dual version is complete wrong, these keys have another purposes. As Emacs user I want meta key (as replacement for left Alt) but not if this key triggers my OCD. Why you chose Meta instead супер (that mean super in russian) on Cyrillic mods?
I'm sorry, but this irritating me. :-/
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 13 September 2019, 10:39:30
Post by: TheAutoManCan on Fri, 13 September 2019, 10:42:01
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 13 September 2019, 10:56:45
Hello, I'm very interested in this keycap, so looking forvard to october. All glory for creator!
But I have some "problems" with Super/Meta key. I think the latin Meta surrounded Cyrillic texts looks terrible and Super/Meta on dual version is complete wrong, these keys have another purposes. As Emacs user I want meta key (as replacement for left Alt) but not if this key triggers my OCD. Why you chose Meta instead супер (that mean super in russian) on Cyrillic mods?
I'm sorry, but this irritating me. :-/
By any means i want to replicate the META of EMACS.
The idea was to have META key once you switch to the Cyrillics layer with CYRILLIC key. And its written the same way as in Latin. An alternative could be ГИПЕР (HYPER). I don't really want just to repeat SUPER.
Keep in mind i don't want to replicate anything because this was never done before. This is something new.
Post by: waldorf120 on Fri, 13 September 2019, 17:49:08
An alternative could be ГИПЕР (HYPER). I don't really want just to repeat SUPER.
I'm no russian expert but I believe ГИПЕР is pronounced "geeper". Perhaps you meant XИПЕР which I'm guessing starts with the H sounds like it does in хорошо́ (horoshow aka 'good').
EDIT: Google translate says it's гипер so that's probably what it is :-[
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 14 September 2019, 01:08:37
An alternative could be ГИПЕР (HYPER). I don't really want just to repeat SUPER.
I'm no russian expert but I believe ГИПЕР is pronounced "geeper". Perhaps you meant XИПЕР which I'm guessing starts with the H sounds like it does in хорошо́ (horoshow aka 'good').
EDIT: Google translate says it's гипер so that's probably what it is :-[
I am native Russian speaker. All the translations are meaningful (even the synonyms) and they do reflect the exact purpose for each key in Russian language. :D
Keep in mind i do not use the outdated Russian typewriter terms. Keyboard is different than a typewriter and some terms actually needs to be updated (For example Caps Lock should be called Shift Lock because it is not limited to capital letters. Shift as such does shift whole layer basically.)
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 14 September 2019, 15:31:41
I have no ALPS keyboards or switches whatsoever . . . and yet, this would be perfect for my introduction to ALPS.
I love Orange ALPS for its tactility and its relative availability. I have been thinking of picking some up for the longest time, and I might as well, as they will only get scarcer.
The Yuri keyset would be perfect for Orange ALPS, and DCS is my favourite profile. It's a no-brainer.
What would you do in my shoes? I think the first step is to get on the GB. And then secure some Orange ALPS. Then, I can look into a 65-75% board to use them in.
Is it possible to get the cool star ENTER key with the DCS set?
Post by: HungHingDaiLo on Sat, 14 September 2019, 21:12:30
Would really want to see a render for Cosmos Alphas along with the matching Modifiers (preferring Cyrillic) on a grey 1800 board!
Otherwise, great set!
Post by: Willhurt2008 on Sun, 15 September 2019, 04:50:24
Post by: Dumble_Hub on Sun, 15 September 2019, 07:04:13
I've been thinking about DCS ALPS Yuri ever since this IC was posted.
I have no ALPS keyboards or switches whatsoever . . . and yet, this would be perfect for my introduction to ALPS.
I love Orange ALPS for its tactility and its relative availability. I have been thinking of picking some up for the longest time, and I might as well, as they will only get scarcer.
The Yuri keyset would be perfect for Orange ALPS, and DCS is my favourite profile. It's a no-brainer.
What would you do in my shoes? I think the first step is to get on the GB. And then secure some Orange ALPS. Then, I can look into a 65-75% board to use them in.
Is it possible to get the cool star ENTER key with the DCS set?
I would definitely recommend you wait until the GB hits MOQ before buying parts for a board.
SKCM orange is a fantastic choice btw, I have been thinking of using them in my Yuri build also.
When it comes to getting a board to put this on it can get tricky. Finding a pcb with alps support is not hard, the hard part is getting a plate that supports both alps switches and cherry stabs. Be prepared to get a custom plate cut, that's what I needed to do for my alps FC660.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 15 September 2019, 07:20:13
Hi, T0mb3ry. Would you consider changing F1, F2 etc in Cyrillic set to Ф1, Ф2 and so on, to keep it all Cyrillic?
Actually they should be Cyrillic but that will be 20 additional custom keys... I thought about this but in order to reduce price i decided against it...
Post by: Surefoot on Sun, 15 September 2019, 07:58:58
I would definitely recommend you wait until the GB hits MOQ before buying parts for a board.Dont. If people all follow your advice, that's how the GB miss the MOQ actually..
Post by: Dumble_Hub on Sun, 15 September 2019, 08:13:06
I would definitely recommend you wait until the GB hits MOQ before buying parts for a board.Dont. If people all follow your advice, that's how the GB miss the MOQ actually..
What I mean is join the GB before MOQ and when MOQ is hit begin to part together the rest of the build, I could have worded that better.
Post by: Willhurt2008 on Sun, 15 September 2019, 10:02:02
Hi, T0mb3ry. Would you consider changing F1, F2 etc in Cyrillic set to Ф1, Ф2 and so on, to keep it all Cyrillic?
Actually they should be Cyrillic but that will be 20 additional custom keys... I thought about this but in order to reduce price i decided against it...
Thats a shame, would look much more complete this way... But maybe people who want Cyrillic kit would be fine with cost increase to get more rounded set. I for sure would be. Anyways, your call.
Post by: jacobavenkraft on Wed, 18 September 2019, 08:54:45
Post by: HungerMechanic on Wed, 18 September 2019, 09:43:14
This is my current setup. Open to other configurations, though.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CahlEpm.jpg)
Edit: fixed link
That is an incredible setup. Can you post pics and identify the build?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 18 September 2019, 12:47:12
Novelties
- Added salty keys.
(https://i.imgur.com/0VVKu1k.png)
Post by: piit79 on Wed, 18 September 2019, 12:52:23
Post by: Anakey on Wed, 18 September 2019, 14:31:12
OT: What's the deal with the salty keys? :-) I know there was a whole set in Carbon R2 matching many sets, but I don't know what the story behind them is ;-)
there was an error on the Carbon SA R2 drop where the price advertised for warning signs kit in all 3 colorways was abnormally low like $12 for like 36 keys. A few days into the drop they corrected the pricing but those that already got them were charged the original price. Out of the drama this caused because of those that missed out a salty keys kit was added as a joke and it looks like it made it into GMK version with the different colorways.
Post by: mode on Sat, 21 September 2019, 08:02:57
If anyone's interested, I recently had a couple of ISO plates made by laserboost for the LFKeyboards LFK-TKL/SMK PCB with costar stabs and I've attached the .dxf. It should work perfectly with this set, I did the first for a nexus slider build with oranges, and the second should get the blue alps from the board above with yuri :)
Post by: ZivZulander on Sun, 22 September 2019, 09:00:29
Will definitely be picking up a set of yuri alps, so glad to see ISO support!
If anyone's interested, I recently had a couple of ISO plates made by laserboost for the LFKeyboards LFK-TKL/SMK PCB with costar stabs and I've attached the .dxf. It should work perfectly with this set, I did the first for a nexus slider build with oranges, and the second should get the blue alps from the board above with yuri :)
Awesome! I have a SMK65 waiting to go into a build, but the initial reason I got that rather than TKL was the lack of a plate. Will definitely use this for a future build.
Post by: mode on Sun, 22 September 2019, 10:19:25
Awesome! I have a the SMK65 waiting to go into a build, but the initial reason I got that rather than TKL was the lack of a plate. Will definitely use this for a future build.
Glad someone is getting some use out of it, my first attempt didn't fit as the default TKL design from http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com looks the same but isn't. I'm kinda glad I had to reorder though as the quality was much much better from laserboost compared to the first from lasergist, turned up fast too.
I'm coming around to the idea of getting the SA set for my nexus build too, the dark cosmos scheme is really growing on me.
Post by: SenhorHoshino on Wed, 25 September 2019, 04:09:49
Post by: nightdriver on Wed, 25 September 2019, 18:54:58
Post by: nightdriver on Wed, 25 September 2019, 18:55:43
OT: What's the deal with the salty keys? :-) I know there was a whole set in Carbon R2 matching many sets, but I don't know what the story behind them is ;-)
somebody always gets salty over some decision a keycap designer makes. the legends are already made, so why not use them?
Post by: nightdriver on Wed, 25 September 2019, 19:00:27
What do you all think of the triangles as arrow keys? I personally really dislike them. Would much rather have an actual arrow shape or text.
i prefer the greater-than / less-than style chevrons that mito uses on many of his sets. arrows would be my second choice. don't like the triangles much.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 26 September 2019, 00:03:32
are the alphas with latin and cyrillic going to be available on the lighter blue or only the darker blue? the darker blue alphas don't appeal to me but i'd prefer both legends. especially since double mods are avaiiable.
You can see all available kits in the first post of this IC. So yes the dual alphas will be available only in Cosmos version.
What do you all think of the triangles as arrow keys? I personally really dislike them. Would much rather have an actual arrow shape or text.
i prefer the greater-than / less-than style chevrons that mito uses on many of his sets. arrows would be my second choice. don't like the triangles much.
I prefer these triangles because they do match the large alphas of SA sets better. The arrows look dwarfed in the whole picture. I've used those triangles already in SP SA Carbon R1.
Is this really only dropping on Drop? Such a shame for EU buyers...
It will be dropping only Drop.
Post by: piit79 on Thu, 26 September 2019, 01:54:14
It will be dropping only Drop.
Can I ask for the reason? Genuine question. I think the community very strongly prefers local vendors. Is it just the mentioned "inexperience" with vendors? Or does Drop "pay" better? ;) (If you do this for a living then I'd totally understand, don't get me wrong.) I can imagine there is probably greater sales potential on Drop, but at what cost...
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 26 September 2019, 02:06:17
I prefer to work with already established partners and it was planned long time ago to run it on drop. It's not about the money.It will be dropping only Drop.
Can I ask for the reason? Genuine question. I think the community very strongly prefers local vendors. Is it just the mentioned "inexperience" with vendors? Or does Drop "pay" better? ;) (If you do this for a living then I'd totally understand, don't get me wrong.) I can imagine there is probably greater sales potential on Drop, but at what cost...
Post by: Adelscott on Thu, 26 September 2019, 02:12:43
OP
Please do something no one dares on drop : add an ISO-FR kit to your set.
Post by: lz2019 on Thu, 26 September 2019, 03:10:27
I am new to this forum, probably 1st time to reach out to buy something in this way.
I am not quite sure what I need to do, pls let me know. Thx.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 26 September 2019, 03:15:21
hello topic starter, is it still possible to count me into the group planing to buy this set of keycaps?Hello and welcome to Geekhack.
I am new to this forum, probably 1st time to reach out to buy something in this way.
I am not quite sure what I need to do, pls let me know. Thx.
The sale did not started yet. But it will start on Drop in October. Everyone will be able to participate in this sale.
Post by: lz2019 on Thu, 26 September 2019, 03:20:10
possible to be a bit more specific in time? like beginning or mid Oct ?
thanks.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 26 September 2019, 03:27:49
Great! not too late ;DThe sale will last through whole October. Say it will begin in the first days of October and it will end by the end of October.
possible to be a bit more specific in time? like beginning or mid Oct ?
thanks.
Post by: lz2019 on Thu, 26 September 2019, 03:33:15
Post by: piit79 on Thu, 26 September 2019, 06:50:18
I prefer to work with already established partners and it was planned long time ago to run it on drop. It's not about the money.
OK, thanks for the info. Just to be clear, I'd respect it even if it was about the money ;)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 26 September 2019, 07:24:41
I would get a revenue from any vendor I could run this keyset with. Its not a secret that designers get a revenue and it's a right thing. If you generate money with a design then it's normal praxis to pay revenue. Thing is, I planned this to run with Drop and I've talked with them already like a year ago.I prefer to work with already established partners and it was planned long time ago to run it on drop. It's not about the money.
OK, thanks for the info. Just to be clear, I'd respect it even if it was about the money ;)
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Thu, 26 September 2019, 14:37:12
Will anything be limited or first-come-first-serve?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 26 September 2019, 14:41:46
Hey T,
Will anything be limited or first-come-first-serve?
There will be no limits (tho i heard of an limit for the amount of keysets one can buy) and its not first com first serve. It's just a regular group buy.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 26 September 2019, 15:57:29
(https://i.imgur.com/3FcCV3D.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/iXD1aIM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JK1hcCz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Y0WPv5e.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GhzLGle.jpg)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 00:06:31
(https://i.imgur.com/KCyiuAD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lHVMhNU.jpg)
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 27 September 2019, 00:39:10
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 00:49:12
It looks like the Д legend is sitting slightly higher than it should. Its baseline is just above that of the other characters.It's on the same base. See the distance to the edge. It's small tales are out of the base which is normal.
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 27 September 2019, 01:09:33
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 01:14:49
Man, seeing the renders just makes me wish even more numpad had a dual text option too, but I guess that's the numpad-user life.You can still use dual cosmos with Latin mods and numpad for consistency. That works just fine for 1800er layout.
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 27 September 2019, 01:17:27
It's on the same base. See the distance to the edge. It's small tales are out of the base which is normal.
Seems a bit off to me, in the renders at least. If it's aligned in the legend vectors themselves, then I guess it's okay.
(https://i.imgur.com/oicWVWY.png)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 01:28:35
Those are just renders/mockups. For proper alignments of single alphas SP will get an graph with base alignments. The centering will be done during mold manufacturing.It's on the same base. See the distance to the edge. It's small tales are out of the base which is normal.
Seems a bit off to me, in the renders at least. If it's aligned in the legend vectors themselves, then I guess it's okay.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/oicWVWY.png)
Tho I thought you meant dual alignments before. Those on the other hand are aligned specifically by me. They still need to be centred by SP but the distance between letters on each key are aligned for production.
Post by: matrixzj on Fri, 27 September 2019, 02:21:06
BTW, will you share SP Color codes for it ?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 02:31:00
4 days to go, really excited to make it happened.The color codes are BFR, BFM and OAV.
BTW, will you share SP Color codes for it ?
Post by: matrixzj on Fri, 27 September 2019, 02:42:09
4 days to go, really excited to make it happened.The color codes are BFR, BFM and OAV.
BTW, will you share SP Color codes for it ?
Thanks for kindly sharing to bring this info page up: https://matrixzj.github.io/docs/sa-keycaps/Yuri/
Post by: ctrlshiftbryan on Fri, 27 September 2019, 05:01:38
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 06:08:55
Any chance of adding a R3 1.75 Control key to the base kit?Good catch I'll add it in the next update - even if its late. I wonder how could I forget it.
This is a good example why an IC is important.
Post by: joric on Fri, 27 September 2019, 08:22:33
Any chance of adding a R3 1.75 Control key to the base kit?Good catch I'll add it in the next update - even if its late. I wonder how could I forget it.
This is a good example why an IC is important.
Russian brood here. WAIT, don't put it in production! There's no such ****ing thing as ФИКС СДВИГА (CAPS LOCK) it's really, really bad automated translation that makes me puke. Please refer to matt3o russian legends for reference https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17319&start=#p385176
On the other thought, ah **** it, you can survive ФИКС СДВИГА if the only other option is 3ГЛ (SHIFT is usually just РЕГ).
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 08:32:03
I do speak Russian too. This not google translation but the terms are chosen after real functionality. I dont want to use outdated typewriter terms. This is something new.Any chance of adding a R3 1.75 Control key to the base kit?Good catch I'll add it in the next update - even if its late. I wonder how could I forget it.
This is a good example why an IC is important.
Russian brood here. WAIT, don't put it in production! There's no such ****ing thing as ФИКС СДВИГА (CAPS LOCK) it's really, really bad automated translation that makes me puke. Please refer to matt3o russian legends for reference https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17319&start=#p385176
On the other thought, ah **** it, you can survive ФИКС СДВИГА if the only other option is 3ГЛ (SHIFT is usually just РЕГ).
Tho I am ready to discuss the shift. I had in previous version it as регистр.
Post by: CosmosAtlas on Fri, 27 September 2019, 08:33:20
Post by: joric on Fri, 27 September 2019, 08:43:31
I do speak Russian too. This not google translation but the terms are chosen after real functionality. I dont want to use outdated typewriter terms. This is something new.Ok if official ГОСТ 14289-88 symbols seem too short maybe use РЕГИСТР instead of РЕГ and ЗАГЛАВНЫЕ instead of ЗАГ. Just saying,
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 08:47:53
I am absolutely against заглавные. Because the term does not cover the real functionality. It is typewriter term. Caps lock is by the way also outdated because now it should be called shift lock.I do speak Russian too. This not google translation but the terms are chosen after real functionality. I dont want to use outdated typewriter terms. This is something new.Ok if official ГОСТ 14289-88 symbols seem too short maybe use РЕГИСТР instead of РЕГ and ЗАГЛАВНЫЕ instead of ЗАГ. Just saying,
Регистр on the other hand is right. I had it in my previous version.
Post by: Zephyraeon on Fri, 27 September 2019, 08:50:38
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 10:39:12
Could a 6.5u space be added to ALPS for AEK compatibility?
I don't think 6.5u spacebar is available and you should keep in mind that you will have to use cherry stabs. So i don't know if its compatible with AEK at all. That set is made more for custom keyboards with alps and cherry stabs.
I do speak Russian too. This not google translation but the terms are chosen after real functionality. I dont want to use outdated typewriter terms. This is something new.Ok if official ГОСТ 14289-88 symbols seem too short maybe use РЕГИСТР instead of РЕГ and ЗАГЛАВНЫЕ instead of ЗАГ. Just saying,
Another thing. Why its called SHIFT and not REGISTER in western countries? It shifts the register тоо.
По моему мнению, технически и по понятию что эта клавиша на самом деле делает - СДВИГ подходит больше. На самом деле сдвиг тоже перешел от печатнои машинки - но там был сдвиг механизма. Но даже сеичас этот термин актуален, так как он произодит здвиг в регистре. Само слово регистр по себе производит впечатление что есть какое то множественое число этих регистров - но у нас их в этом случае только два. По этому я бы лучше преминил бы регистр как термин для "layers" если програмное обеспечение клавиатуры такое позволяет (например QMK). То что ГОСТ 14289-88 описывает так и не стало стандартом. Если бы был настоящии стандарт, он был бы и стандартом в гос структурах и на рынке, как например ИЗО ДЕ в Германии.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 11:45:23
Modifiers kit
- Added R3 1.75u CONTROL key
(https://i.imgur.com/v9AafDr.png)
Cyrillic modifiers kit
- Added R3 1.75u КОМАНДА key
- Changed key label from КРЛЦ to РУССКИЙ. Cyrillic is a group of alphabets. Yuri implements specifically and obviously the Russian alphabet. So we have to be precise here.
(https://i.imgur.com/muQ5uHc.png)
Dual modifiers kit
- Added R3 1.75u КОМАНДА/CONTROL key
- Changed from КРЛЦ/CYRILLIC to РУССКИЙ/RUSSIAN for the same reason as mentioned in the Cyrillic modifiers kit.
(https://i.imgur.com/LWAO4WJ.png)
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 27 September 2019, 11:45:32
Caps lock is by the way also outdated because now it should be called shift lock.
Isn't Shift Lock actually the one that's outdated? Pressing 1 while caps is one produces 1, not !.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 11:54:55
Caps lock is by the way also outdated because now it should be called shift lock.
Isn't Shift Lock actually the one that's outdated? Pressing 1 while caps is one produces 1, not !.
But it depends on the language package you are using. And it differs always. Nowadays caps lock or shift (also other modifiers) are managed by operating system. AFAIK back in the days it was managed by keyboards. Anyway its basically a "status"/"mode" for the operating system but which symbols are typed depends on the language package (or even in some cases its done by the program/application you typing into) you are currently using. So its a shift lock.
Post by: tucvbif on Fri, 27 September 2019, 12:04:23
Alt — «Доп», «АР» («альтернативный регистр»), «Алт»
Ctrl — «Упр», «УС», «СУ». But «команда», IMO, is more decent label for this button, but I never seen it on soviet keyboards.
Shift — «Загл», «Рег», «Проп», «СПС», «ВР»
Caps Lock — «ФЗБ» (some terminals used otherwise «ФСБ»: фиксация строчных букв), «ФР», «ФВР», «ФП», «Фикс».
Key for change language usually labeled «Р/Л», but also «Алф» is fine too. Also it will be useful in R2×1.75, as replacement for Caps Lock.
BackSpace besides most often case «Забой» («ЗБ») also labeled «Ред» (редактирование) or «ВШ» (возврат на шаг).
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 27 September 2019, 12:30:43
But it depends on the language package you are using. And it differs always. Nowadays caps lock or shift (also other modifiers) are managed by operating system. AFAIK back in the days it was managed by keyboards. Anyway its basically a "status"/"mode" for the operating system but which symbols are typed depends on the language package (or even in some cases its done by the program/application you typing into) you are currently using. So its a shift lock.
It's not Shift Lock exactly because of the reasons you listed. Shift Lock would imply that when this mode was enabled, the non-modifier keys would behave as if Shift were being held. However, this is not the case: Caps Lock is a separate mode that can have a completely independent character mapping (as you said). For example, Caps Lock on the Serbian Programmer layout changes the script from Latin to Cyrillic, which is completely separate from / orthogonal to upper and lower case, which are controlled by Shift. More information here (http://www.kbdedit.com/manual/high_level_caps_lock.html). In conclusion, caps on modern systems is, in fact, Caps Lock and not Shift Lock.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 12:44:01
But it depends on the language package you are using. And it differs always. Nowadays caps lock or shift (also other modifiers) are managed by operating system. AFAIK back in the days it was managed by keyboards. Anyway its basically a "status"/"mode" for the operating system but which symbols are typed depends on the language package (or even in some cases its done by the program/application you typing into) you are currently using. So its a shift lock.
It's not Shift Lock exactly because of the reasons you listed. Shift Lock would imply that when this mode was enabled, the non-modifier keys would behave as if Shift were being held. However, this is not the case: Caps Lock is a separate mode that can have a completely independent character mapping (as you said). For example, Caps Lock on the Serbian Programmer layout changes the script from Latin to Cyrillic, which is completely separate from / orthogonal to upper and lower case, which are controlled by Shift. More information here (http://www.kbdedit.com/manual/high_level_caps_lock.html). In conclusion, caps on modern systems is, in fact, Caps Lock and not Shift Lock.
That's right in the operation system its listed as caps lock however it does not determine how it should behave. As i said, the behavior is determined by the keyboard layout you are using (left bottom corner in Windows for example). I got several keyboard layouts where it acts as caps lock and i got keyboard layouts where it acts as shift lock. And as programmer i can tell you that i can reinterpret it in an application to do more or less than a caps lock. So what is it exactly?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 12:51:47
But it depends on the language package you are using. And it differs always. Nowadays caps lock or shift (also other modifiers) are managed by operating system. AFAIK back in the days it was managed by keyboards. Anyway its basically a "status"/"mode" for the operating system but which symbols are typed depends on the language package (or even in some cases its done by the program/application you typing into) you are currently using. So its a shift lock.
It's not Shift Lock exactly because of the reasons you listed. Shift Lock would imply that when this mode was enabled, the non-modifier keys would behave as if Shift were being held. However, this is not the case: Caps Lock is a separate mode that can have a completely independent character mapping (as you said). For example, Caps Lock on the Serbian Programmer layout changes the script from Latin to Cyrillic, which is completely separate from / orthogonal to upper and lower case, which are controlled by Shift. More information here (http://www.kbdedit.com/manual/high_level_caps_lock.html). In conclusion, caps on modern systems is, in fact, Caps Lock and not Shift Lock.
That's right in the operation system its listed as caps lock however it does not determine how it should behave. As i said, the behavior is determined by the keyboard layout you are using (left bottom corner in Windows for example). I got several keyboard layouts where it acts as caps lock and i got keyboard layouts where it acts as shift lock. And as programmer i can tell you that i can reinterpret it in an application to do more or less than a caps lock. So what is it exactly?
Ahhh yeah. Look what i have found on Wikipedia: In most cases, the status of the Caps Lock key only changes the meaning of the alphabet keys, not that of any other key. Microsoft Windows enforces this behavior only when a keyboard layout for a Latin-based script is active, e.g. the "English (United States)" layout but not the "Persian" layout. However, on certain non-QWERTY keyboard layouts, such as the French AZERTY and the German QWERTZ, Caps Lock still behaves like a traditional Shift lock, i.e., the keyboard behaves as if the Shift key is held down, causing the keyboard to input the alternative values of the keys; example the "5" key generates a "%" when Caps lock is pressed. This is not true for the layout "German (IBM)".
source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caps_Lock
Do you understand my issue with Caps Lock? ;)
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 27 September 2019, 12:53:04
Edit: The Wikipedia bit you quoted backs up what I'm saying :D
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 13:13:41
That's what I'm trying to say: the name Caps Lock doesn't mean that it needs to control caps (capital letters); whereas the name Shift Lock does imply that it needs to behave as if Shift were held while the lock is on. Which is not how Caps Lock works on any modern system. Think about it like this: it's called Caps Lock (either for historical reasons, or because that's how it's most frequently used), but it's as you described — a separate mode which behaves differently depending on the active logical layout.
Edit: The Wikipedia bit you quoted backs up what I'm saying :D
Good i'll change it to "ЗАГЛАВНЫЕ" because - obviously Yuri does not implement French or German layout. But this knowledge will now make the International kits, which do implement ISO DE, a "Shift Lock" more expensive.....
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 13:53:22
Cyrillic modifiers kit
- Changed Shift Lock to Caps Lock
(https://i.imgur.com/o6AflXx.png)
Dual modifiers kit
- Changed Shift Lock to Caps Lock
(https://i.imgur.com/4u290w5.png)
Post by: mode on Fri, 27 September 2019, 15:13:28
Could a 6.5u space be added to ALPS for AEK compatibility?
The profile wouldn't work at all in an AEK case, the last row is so much taller than the first, it'd look like the last row of DCS is sunken into the keyboard.
Post by: Surefoot on Fri, 27 September 2019, 16:04:18
Good i'll change it to "ЗАГЛАВНЫЕ" because - obviously Yuri does not implement French or German layout. But this knowledge will now make the International kits, which do implement ISO DE, a "Shift Lock" more expensive.....Since it's fitting the theme for this set, i dont think anyone would complain about having that same label for Intl kit :P
Post by: Anakey on Fri, 27 September 2019, 17:04:00
Post by: spikedsynapse on Fri, 27 September 2019, 20:55:20
Post by: LevelSteam on Sat, 28 September 2019, 07:41:37
Post by: Hackerpilot on Sun, 29 September 2019, 02:58:45
I was excited when I saw the Ergodox kit, then less so when I saw that it mandates the use of accent and novelty keys. If star spacebars and orange R1 is part of the core of this set's design, why is it not that way on all the modifier kits?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 29 September 2019, 03:18:49
Useless whining:
I was excited when I saw the Ergodox kit, then less so when I saw that it mandates the use of accent and novelty keys. If star spacebars and orange R1 is part of the core of this set's design, why is it not that way on all the modifier kits?
If you want to have blanks instead of novelties you can buy two spacekeys kits. If i remove those novelties people who want it with novelties will need to buy two novelties kits which is obviously more expensive than buying just two spacekeys kits.
Another reason for it is, i want it so. I did it in every Carbon round and GMK Yuri and i repeat this tradition here too.
Post by: iammeuru on Sun, 29 September 2019, 16:02:46
Could a 6.5u space be added to ALPS for AEK compatibility?
I don't think 6.5u spacebar is available and you should keep in mind that you will have to use cherry stabs. So i don't know if its compatible with AEK at all. That set is made more for custom keyboards with alps and cherry stabs.
So, that's not 100% true on the requirement to use Cherry stabs... you can use costar inserts, and stabilizer wires from something like a k104 which natively supported that (amongst other boards), also making custom alps wires is dead simple. I would actually argue that there are more folks using costar inserts than cherry screw-in, plate mount, or clip-in stabilizers when using the DCS Alps, Tai-Hao Alps, or DSA Alps sets available... There are very few customs that offer alps, and even fewer where the PCB and/or plate support cherry stabilizers.
With a custom set though, I doubt many folks would choose the AEK layout over standard ANSI or Tsangan... even ISO is likely going to be more popular of a choice. Most AEK supporting boards would just use AEK Caps... Also, on the top row for AEK you'd need sideways center stems.
I really want to see numpad with that 1u numpad zero key for 1800 and full size support, which I feel would be more likely than AEK or ISO, since 1800 is where there is a bunch of current (or recent) customs with Alps support (TKC1800 and HBCP, the former of which even supports cherry screw-in stabs, and the PCB works in the TX1800 as well)...
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 30 September 2019, 08:26:56
Post by: StanleyLelnats on Mon, 30 September 2019, 09:19:13
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 30 September 2019, 11:31:12
Cyrillic modifiers kit
- Changed META keys to SUPER
(https://i.imgur.com/2NzyT6A.png)
Would it be possible to include a 2u spacebar in the 40's kit for ortho?
40% kit is not only about the plank/preonic but it also supports other 40% layouts which do use split space bars of different sizes. And there are also 40% layouts which do use 6.25u spacebar and i guess there is also one layout with 7u spacebar.
Then everyone has its own preference for color.
So unfortunately its not possible to include any of spacebars.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 30 September 2019, 17:12:07
- Changed both mod kits with Cyrillics to match ГОСТ specifications more closely.
Cyrillic modifiers kit
(https://i.imgur.com/lN1yLuu.png)
Dual modifiers kit
(https://i.imgur.com/SEcmEYD.png)
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 30 September 2019, 17:45:22
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 30 September 2019, 17:46:47
Is everything in the Spacekeys kit convex?
The opposite, they are all concave (R3) aka not spacebar shaped.
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 30 September 2019, 18:04:47
Is everything in the Spacekeys kit convex?
The opposite, they are all concave (R3) aka not spacebar shaped.
Ah, so they're R3 blanks. GMK recently added 1.25U and 1.75U convex. Do you know what sizes of SA convex are currently available from SP?
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 30 September 2019, 18:17:54
Is everything in the Spacekeys kit convex?
The opposite, they are all concave (R3) aka not spacebar shaped.
Ah, so they're R3 blanks. GMK recently added 1.25U and 1.75U convex. Do you know what sizes of SA convex are currently available from SP?
Only 4u and updwards AFAIK
Post by: mode on Tue, 01 October 2019, 01:12:15
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 01 October 2019, 01:40:46
Will it be up today?Not today. But in the upcoming days.
Post by: lz2019 on Tue, 01 October 2019, 16:05:34
are all the pictures of kits currently in the very 1st post the most updated ones?
it's time to carefully examine which one(s) to buy.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 01 October 2019, 16:28:01
Yes, first post is up to date.
are all the pictures of kits currently in the very 1st post the most updated ones?
it's time to carefully examine which one(s) to buy.
Post by: lz2019 on Wed, 02 October 2019, 14:50:16
Will it be up today?Not today. But in the upcoming days.
I found it's on Drop, as of today Oct 2nd.
Post by: guy0naBuffal0 on Wed, 02 October 2019, 22:37:23
Am I doing something wrong?
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I found it's on Drop, as of today Oct 2nd.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 02 October 2019, 23:12:29
Can’t buy yet, but prices here.
Post by: mode on Thu, 03 October 2019, 00:47:44
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 03 October 2019, 02:32:49
price for alps seems reasonable, fingers crossed we get more than 100 people buying, but I'd be fine with 180 just to get an ALPS set with an ISO return in it!
Yes the price is reasonable for the first MOQ of 100. Tho its still quite high. However with 200 alps kits, the price drops down to 130 $ which is significant.
Post by: mimalik on Thu, 03 October 2019, 07:48:35
Thx a ton again t0mb3ry to make this happen. I didnt go for GMK Yuri as I was waiting for this.
Now about that SA Carbon R3......I missed out on past 2 runs, this will be my final SA set.
Post by: Morgan3Wheeler on Thu, 03 October 2019, 07:58:43
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 03 October 2019, 08:05:19
Is there not 2u Shift?
No, there is no 2u shift available. In this drop there is only support for basic layouts. 2u shift is exotic.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 03 October 2019, 08:08:45
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 03 October 2019, 08:16:06
So i am closing this IC thread and will open GB thread.
I am very thankful to people who made constructive feedback and kept the discussion about Cyrillic labels.
Closed!