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Title: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Thu, 30 August 2018, 09:21:40
(https://i.imgur.com/QgJq1yG.png)


About

Heavily inspired (and assumed) by the Sinclair ZX Spectrum (https://i.imgur.com/EUXV99U.jpg) from 1982, this set aims to have an 80s aesthetic with double colored legends, which is kinda unique and innovative IMO.
This is possible using the all-over dye-sub technique. The manufacturer from the KAT profile (Keyreative) told me they are able to do that, and since I wanted to keep a uniform profile to fit the look of vintage Sinclair keyboards, I thought it would be nice to use KAM profile (https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/7214).

Thanks in advance for your feedback :)

Outdated poll
More
  • Google Poll: https://goo.gl/forms/YvPF0DAoopqRKEiN2
  • Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/9blxqj/ic_kam_wraith



Kits


(https://i.imgur.com/NShmf82.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/hGlxOuW.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/m40xWaY.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/4BdtVyY.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/k9CQKJW.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/SqmnPaf.png)

Mockups
More
(https://i.imgur.com/7HiXJX3.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/VuNG2kv.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/CBwT3Nq.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/HkNAmXF.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/u2E19Rf.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Om13WCn.png)


Old kits
More
(https://i.imgur.com/NHp7g6r.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/EYUqlT2.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PQXUNsu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9Q7yetL.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9PnLq81.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DYjuTNF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iKNvzej.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/CQQ7h9z.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/xH9e8hj.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9MdbLYY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1Nmw72t.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2bXn7Yy.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/bMZR3ON.jpg)


Pricing
New molds are being made with matte finish, that's why the price is more expensive than intended.

KitNovelkeysCandykeysZfrontierZfrontier CNDailyclack
base$95.0093.00€$95.00¥578.00$152.00
calc$16.0020.00€$17.00¥100.00$26.00
ergo$65.0058.00€$65.00¥395.00$104.00
extension$30.0034.00€$30.00¥185.00$48.00
intl$35.0038.00€$35.00¥216.00$56.00
nav$15.0019.00€$12.00¥72.00$24.00
space$22.0023.00€$23.00¥135.00$35.00


Samples

(https://i.imgur.com/7rjk5Mb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Su0hvm5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3Xd3vFz.jpg)


Renders

Grid 600

(https://i.imgur.com/q45Tpqz.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/GvWHjsS.png)

Rama M65-A

(https://i.imgur.com/1iCjIo3.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/1AWVwxW.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/0MVWkMZ.png)

HBCP

(https://i.imgur.com/UEjCLnZ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/b1tOXyY.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/0Nv00tY.png)

Campine

(https://i.imgur.com/NBk85C5.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/wreTE1i.png)

Rama M60-A

(https://i.imgur.com/aXesRba.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/tZwEcXY.png)

Keycult No.2 Rev 1

(https://i.imgur.com/ouFs2XQ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/UEjtrnK.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Md0F6mp.png)

Old renders
More
(https://i.imgur.com/MBGDy3x.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/3FMHuJK.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/362Ds6Z.jpg)




Deskmat

(https://i.imgur.com/wocG0Ig.png)



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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: bisoromi on Thu, 30 August 2018, 09:22:45
nice
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 30 August 2018, 09:36:20
Pretty cool.  What is KAM again?  Is that the edrug profile?

That red on gray is gonna be hard to pull off, but I guess that's what samples will help with.  I like it.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: wixxzblu on Thu, 30 August 2018, 09:36:44
i dig the theme, this may be the first KAM set for me.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Data on Thu, 30 August 2018, 09:37:53
This I like.

Make it so.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Thu, 30 August 2018, 09:38:15
Pretty cool.  What is KAM again?  Is that the edrug profile?

That red on gray is gonna be hard to pull off, but I guess that's what samples will help with.  I like it.

I fixed the link in the description. It's basically KAT row 2.
Here is the link: https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/7214

And yeah, I will need to get some samples to find the perfect color combo without 'vibrating colors' contrast ;)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: pentawater on Thu, 30 August 2018, 09:42:53
nice
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Thu, 30 August 2018, 09:43:38
I'm down!!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: mbsurfer on Thu, 30 August 2018, 09:45:28
Looks great biip! Excited to try KAM now!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 30 August 2018, 09:48:03
Looks very interesting. I'm always down for novelty legends. Running this in KAM makes it all the more appealing (man I hope Starry Night ships soon). Definitely interested :D
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: dededecline on Thu, 30 August 2018, 10:24:46
I would 100% go in on this. I was feeling bad about not going for Space Cadet but I think I like this more anyways.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Zilleon on Thu, 30 August 2018, 10:37:01
Looks awesome, love the wide compatibility options, I'm in 100%!

But I have to admit that I would rather see it in the Kat profile :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: cijanzen on Thu, 30 August 2018, 10:40:48
This looks really cool! Might be nice to also have examples of your inspiration/origin posted here for people to see as well.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Thu, 30 August 2018, 10:48:07
damn, that looks good
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Thu, 30 August 2018, 10:50:12
Post your sig banners so we can show love!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 30 August 2018, 10:52:26
I understand the inspiration, but if this were Cherry profile... oof.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Thu, 30 August 2018, 10:53:46
Post your sig banners so we can show love!

Here you go!
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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 30 August 2018, 10:55:25
Pretty cool.  What is KAM again?  Is that the edrug profile?

That red on gray is gonna be hard to pull off, but I guess that's what samples will help with.  I like it.

I fixed the link in the description. It's basically KAT row 3.
Here is the link: https://www.zfrontier.com/post/detail/7214

And yeah, I will need to get some samples to find the perfect color combo without 'vibrating colors' contrast ;)

Gotcha.  Technically R2, but I see what you mean.  Looks extremely close to DSA, but taller and much thicker.  I bet they will sound nice :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Thu, 30 August 2018, 10:57:33
Post your sig banners so we can show love!

Here you go!
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 :p
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Thu, 30 August 2018, 11:03:34
Post your sig banners so we can show love!

Here you go!
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 :p

Woups, it was still XDA Wraith on the banner  :-*
Now it's fixed!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Baron on Thu, 30 August 2018, 11:03:54
oh this is amazing
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Thu, 30 August 2018, 11:05:02
Post your sig banners so we can show love!

Here you go!
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 :p

Woups, it was still XDA Wraith on the banner  :-*
Now it's fixed!

Lol
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: stoic-lemon on Thu, 30 August 2018, 11:11:16
This can't possibly look as good as the renders, but my god if it does...
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: CandyKeys on Thu, 30 August 2018, 12:00:38
This can't possibly look as good as the renders, but my god if it does...

You would be surprised! :) Dat Air-Dyesub really makes wonders happen.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Visionaire on Thu, 30 August 2018, 12:13:42
Really nice Interested.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Thu, 30 August 2018, 13:01:33
Reddit thread and Google poll made.

Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: taropaste on Thu, 30 August 2018, 13:10:10
The double colored legends look really nice. This is a unique set. Great work!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Thu, 30 August 2018, 13:20:04
The double colored legends look really nice. This is a unique set. Great work!  :thumb:

Thanks, that's the challenge :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: anon23 on Thu, 30 August 2018, 13:21:38
I really love how it looks on render but, how does KAM profile feel? Like DSA concaveness/curvature (or w/e the term is) or XDA flatness?

Also, I kinda liked the PBT texture, so I'm not sure how to feel about the smooth surface. Still, it seems like it could be one great kit to get.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Loligagger on Thu, 30 August 2018, 14:40:28
Color me interested. I'd change the ergo kit so the esc key is 1.5u and the delete key is 1u though.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Hedgey on Thu, 30 August 2018, 14:41:15
I'm definitely interested in this!  I'm always open to new profiles I haven't tried before.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: zslane on Thu, 30 August 2018, 14:52:28
Needs the case with the rainbow corner stripe!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Jkush463 on Thu, 30 August 2018, 14:56:56
not so sure why i love this but if it happens this is an insta buy for me
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: switchnollie on Thu, 30 August 2018, 15:17:14
This is sweet, I love busy keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: RSC on Thu, 30 August 2018, 15:59:12
Not even a fan of uniform profiles but the colourway and the legends look amazing. Count me in!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Absinthe on Thu, 30 August 2018, 17:15:16
Yes! This is amazing. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: young_won on Thu, 30 August 2018, 20:32:59
I love this  :D
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Hawkfriend on Thu, 30 August 2018, 22:32:56
Wow, interested in seeing how this develops! Looks great!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: EightDiagram on Thu, 30 August 2018, 22:58:17
Perfect opportunity to give KAM a spin!  I am curious if you will include 6u spacebar (offset) to Wraith.

via zFrontier:
Quote
The whole set includes: 1u, 1u raised line, 1.25u, 1.75u, 1.75u Step, 2.0u, 2.25u, 2.75u, ISO Enter, 2u space bars, 3u space bars, 6u space bars, 6.25u space bars and 7u space bars. And that will fit most of the Cherry MX keyboards.

In regardless. Great work!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: alphabirth on Thu, 30 August 2018, 23:50:17
Oooh, this I like a lot!  I hope the Cartel74 ships someday...  This set would be absolutely perfect for that board!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: hndle on Fri, 31 August 2018, 00:52:43
this is great!!!
definitley in!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: beekey on Fri, 31 August 2018, 01:23:25
Nice, I like it. Would also buy the rainbow sticker to complete the look. :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: glubazoid on Fri, 31 August 2018, 01:24:16
This looks great, any renders of KAM from the side?  How high does it sit?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Fri, 31 August 2018, 11:09:04
This looks great, any renders of KAM from the side?  How high does it sit?

(https://img.zfrontier.com/post/20180530/FugMaDcV5WMEW7b0f8KY1WVGsJQq?imageView2/2/w/700/q/85)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 31 August 2018, 13:43:12
Make that NorDe kit happen :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: ullr on Fri, 31 August 2018, 17:08:37
I really like the profile and renders, but are there any examples of all over dye sub with lighter legends on these caps?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Taques on Fri, 31 August 2018, 17:56:52
Very interesting. I don't think I have ever used the device that inspired the set, but theres something about it that speaks to me.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: ideus on Fri, 31 August 2018, 21:30:58
Space bars would be better grouped in a single kit.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Sun, 02 September 2018, 11:20:55
Thank you all for your interest!

Make that NorDe kit happen :)

I'll work on it!
I'll also maybe work on different regional kits, depending on the MOQs.

I really like the profile and renders, but are there any examples of all over dye sub with lighter legends on these caps?

I'll need to contact Keyreative in order to have official 3D files of KAM profile asap for that.

Space bars would be better grouped in a single kit.

It will!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Starston3 on Tue, 04 September 2018, 00:13:38
Totally willing to try out KAM for this set.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Tue, 04 September 2018, 05:24:24
Totally willing to try out KAM for this set.

I'll try to get samples soon™
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Thu, 06 September 2018, 08:16:37
Hey :)

Some small kits update on the first post of the thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97181.msg2654209#msg2654209)

'Caps Lock' legend changed to 'Extend Mode' (in reference to  ZX Spectrum + (https://r.mprd.se/fup/up/96373-ZX_Spectrum-1.jpg), thanks for the suggestion) which avoids confusion between 'caps shift' and 'caps lock'.

With some additions:
ps: spacebars are convex (in the ortho kit too)

(https://i.imgur.com/2bXn7Yy.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iKNvzej.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/svpzkkz.jpg)

Someone suggested me to make an alternative version of the alphas without sub legends, let me know what do you think of it:

(https://i.imgur.com/NMLLjcW.jpg)

I'm also working on ISO kits, I don't know if I wanna make a NorDeUk kit or separate kits (ISO UK, ISO INT, etc.), any thoughts?
I'm planning to work on a blank kit too…

And, second question: What is your opinion about making regular modifiers for control, alt and super (or whatever you wanna name it)?



Btw, if someone has a color swatch and a ZX Spectrum, pm me please :thumb:
Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: EightDiagram on Thu, 06 September 2018, 08:53:54
Looking good!

Do you know if 6u spacebar is offset stem or centered?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Thu, 06 September 2018, 09:04:13
Looking good!

Do you know if 6u spacebar is offset stem or centered?

Thanks!
I'll ask Keyreative, since I really wanna go KAM!
(so you could edit your signature… ;D)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: monkt on Thu, 06 September 2018, 10:22:42
I think the Mono option looks great, and I hope it gets offered.


I know these profiles are new, but has anyone here had any hands-on experience with KAM/KAT? What's the texture supposed to be like relative to other sets?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Thu, 06 September 2018, 10:29:54
I think the Mono option looks great, and I hope it gets offered.

I know these profiles are new, but has anyone here had any hands-on experience with KAM/KAT? What's the texture supposed to be like relative to other sets?

KAM is basically KAT r2.
I own a KAT set and I have to say that it's really pleasant to use. It's thick and smooth, not too tall (compared to SA)…
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Kavik on Thu, 06 September 2018, 10:42:30
Looks really good. Interested.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: EightDiagram on Thu, 06 September 2018, 11:02:28
Looking good!

Do you know if 6u spacebar is offset stem or centered?

Thanks!
I'll ask Keyreative, since I really wanna go KAM!
(so you could edit your signature… ;D)

 :)) doh...fixed!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 06 September 2018, 11:35:32
KAM is basically KAT r2.
That's R3 in standard row notation (top to bottom). Simply put, the home row.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Thu, 06 September 2018, 13:31:15
KAM is basically KAT r2.
That's R3 in standard row notation (top to bottom). Simply put, the home row.

Well according to the side view from Zfrontier website it’s row 2 (row 4 for us).
Source (https://img.zfrontier.com/post/20180530/FsD0SdxASiWCKQ3NXb_YuTVVrb_G?imageView2/2/w/700/q/85)
But yeah it’s basically the flat keycaps from KAT set.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: elfick on Thu, 06 September 2018, 14:13:05
Someone suggested me to make an alternative version of the alphas without sub legends, let me know what do you think of it:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/NMLLjcW.jpg)


And, second question: What is your opinion about making regular modifiers for control, alt and super (or whatever you wanna name it)?
I'm really digging the mono alphas and would probably choose them over the original. I'd like to see regular modifiers would look like.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: joe405 on Thu, 06 September 2018, 22:32:42
Quote
KAM is basically KAT r2.
I own a KAT set and I have to say that it's really pleasant to use. It's thick and smooth, not too tall (compared to SA)…

Ooh have KAT sets already been produced? I thought it was just the alpha set which finished the GB recently.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Fri, 07 September 2018, 01:11:51
Quote
KAM is basically KAT r2.
I own a KAT set and I have to say that it's really pleasant to use. It's thick and smooth, not too tall (compared to SA)…

Ooh have KAT sets already been produced? I thought it was just the alpha set which finished the GB recently.

I’m talking about the alpha yea :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Neodeus on Fri, 07 September 2018, 11:32:29
Interest!  :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: jebbra on Sat, 08 September 2018, 01:28:13
Really dig the busy looks! One thing that I still not sure is the arrow design. It kind of off-design having them in stetched style.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Sat, 08 September 2018, 02:46:26
Really dig the busy looks! One thing that I still not sure is the arrow design. It kind of off-design having them in stetched style.

Well it’s inspired by the orignal ones. It’s kinda different from the other keycaps we usually see IMO.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: myyrddraal on Sat, 08 September 2018, 03:05:17
Really dig the busy looks! One thing that I still not sure is the arrow design. It kind of off-design having them in stetched style.

Well it’s inspired by the orignal ones. It’s kinda different from the other keycaps we usually see IMO.
Please don't stride away from speccy. It will loose the charm and become totally uninteresting for those riding the nostalgia wave.


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: jebbra on Sat, 08 September 2018, 04:14:07
Really dig the busy looks! One thing that I still not sure is the arrow design. It kind of off-design having them in stetched style.

Well it’s inspired by the orignal ones. It’s kinda different from the other keycaps we usually see IMO.

Ah you're right. I was saying that because I don't see the arrows on the OG keyboard but when I look again they're printed on the case instead on the keycaps, my bad.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: jmg123 on Sat, 08 September 2018, 06:35:49
The mono alphas look a bit dull, love the look of the non mono ones though
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Sat, 08 September 2018, 08:59:21
Here is a try on light alphas

(https://i.imgur.com/uZCnS2X.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: myyrddraal on Sat, 08 September 2018, 15:33:30
Here is a try on light alphas

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/uZCnS2X.jpg)


While esthetically it's not the worst thing, somehow it does not make any sense with the speccy basic keywords in the non-speccy colors.


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: dededecline on Sat, 08 September 2018, 15:35:06
Here is a try on light alphas

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/uZCnS2X.jpg)


While esthetically it's not the worst thing, somehow it does not make any sense with the speccy basic keywords in the non-speccy colors.


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Agreed
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Sat, 08 September 2018, 18:05:00
Here is a try on light alphas

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/uZCnS2X.jpg)


While esthetically it's not the worst thing, somehow it does not make any sense with the speccy basic keywords in the non-speccy colors.


What do you mean? I basically inverted the dark blue gray with the white.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: helix999 on Sat, 08 September 2018, 19:17:04
Beautiful set! The more I look at the renders the more I like it. Not crazy about the mono alphas as I think the charm of this set lies in the legends. Undecided on the light alphas. Although they do look interesting I think there's enough going on with this set that I'd stick with dark gray alphas.

Either way hope this happens, most def in for a set.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: myyrddraal on Sat, 08 September 2018, 19:18:39
Here is a try on light alphas

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/uZCnS2X.jpg)


While esthetically it's not the worst thing, somehow it does not make any sense with the speccy basic keywords in the non-speccy colors.


What do you mean? I basically inverted the dark blue gray with the white.
Which is not the original ZX Spectrum color. It looses the resemblance to Original Sinclar ZX Spectrum thus you don't need any of the Basic keywords printed on caps.
As I said, it's still quite nice design, but not Speccy anymore. I would not mix them into one. Maybe the white one without the keywords just keeping the font...


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Zilleon on Sun, 09 September 2018, 00:14:28
Loved the Alpha Mono, I would go with that.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Sun, 09 September 2018, 05:56:40
Here is a try on light alphas

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/uZCnS2X.jpg)


While esthetically it's not the worst thing, somehow it does not make any sense with the speccy basic keywords in the non-speccy colors.


What do you mean? I basically inverted the dark blue gray with the white.
Which is not the original ZX Spectrum color. It looses the resemblance to Original Sinclar ZX Spectrum thus you don't need any of the Basic keywords printed on caps.
As I said, it's still quite nice design, but not Speccy anymore. I would not mix them into one. Maybe the white one without the keywords just keeping the font...


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I agree with that opinion. I mean, it doesn’t look bad, but it’s just too different, and not in the theme anymore.

Beautiful set! The more I look at the renders the more I like it. Not crazy about the mono alphas as I think the charm of this set lies in the legends. Undecided on the light alphas. Although they do look interesting I think there's enough going on with this set that I'd stick with dark gray alphas.

Either way hope this happens, most def in for a set.

Yeah, I shouldn’t make too many sets, don’t wanna lose the spirit of my original idea.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: OracleKev on Mon, 10 September 2018, 00:31:53
If the sample looks anywhere near the renders, I'm in!
Also heard good things about KAT incl. tactile feel department, I've yet to try myself but have high expectations.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Mon, 10 September 2018, 03:08:13
If the sample looks anywhere near the renders, I'm in!
Also heard good things about KAT incl. tactile feel department, I've yet to try myself but have high expectations.

I'll try to order them asap since most of the people seem happy with the alphas and modifiers.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Mon, 10 September 2018, 07:38:10
2.5 u convex spacebar added.

(https://i.imgur.com/bMZR3ON.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Tue, 11 September 2018, 08:19:49
Poll results: 300 responses

How do you like the keyset so far?
Love it, would buy!: 245 (81,7%)
Would buy with some changes: 39 (13%)
I like it but I won't buy it: 16 (5,3%)
I don't like it: 0 (0%)

Is KAM profile ok for you?
Sure!: 255 (85%)
I'd prefer XDA: 31 (10,3%)
I'd prefer another uniform profile: 14 (4,7%)

Which kits would you buy?
Alphas: 277 (92,3 %)
Modifiers: 213 (71 %)
Specialities: 142 (47,3%)
40bit: 49 (16,3%)
Ergo: 47 (15,7%)
Addons: 113 (37,7%)
Ortho: 84 (28%)
Numpad: 66 (22%)
Colevrak: 28 (9,3%)
Arrows: 90 (30%)
NorDeUk: 28 (9,3%)
Spacebars: 70 (23,3%)
Blanks: 28 (9,3%)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Tue, 11 September 2018, 17:59:42
Arrows kit update

(https://i.imgur.com/38hpsxR.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: eas on Tue, 11 September 2018, 20:12:15
Well since Symbiosis drops CADR I really hope this is a success. For my sake.
Down for 2
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Thu, 13 September 2018, 05:32:14
ISO NorDeUk kit added, and small update on arrows kit.

(https://i.imgur.com/9MdbLYY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1Nmw72t.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Thu, 13 September 2018, 06:25:56
Loving the ISO addition. I’m 100% in


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Kristof on Fri, 14 September 2018, 10:10:50
Looks awesome. Love that you added NORDKIT!

Joined geekhack from reddit for this keycap set and 1 custom keyboard.

Will be definitely ordering this.

Who will be the EU proxy? I might have seen candykeys posting a picture about this, but i might be wrong
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Sat, 15 September 2018, 01:47:49
Looks awesome. Love that you added NORDKIT!

Joined geekhack from reddit for this keycap set and 1 custom keyboard.

Will be definitely ordering this.

Who will be the EU proxy? I might have seen candykeys posting a picture about this, but i might be wrong

Hey! Glad you enjoy the project! Candykeys is definitively interested to be the EU proxy so yeah it should be it.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: 5inn3d- on Sat, 15 September 2018, 02:20:11
@ts any indication on pricing?
interested to get this kit & may hold off getting other keycaps to save for this  :)) :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Kawamashi on Sat, 15 September 2018, 08:56:35
Hey! Glad you enjoy the project! Candykeys is definitively interested to be the EU proxy so yeah it should be it.

Great news !!!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: young_won on Sun, 16 September 2018, 19:43:03
I want to one more 3u space bar

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97289.0


Lynx L50 requires two 3u space bar.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Mon, 17 September 2018, 02:13:21
I want to one more 3u space bar

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97289.0


Lynx L50 requires two 3u space bar.

That would depend a lot of the interest on that addition to be honest. At this moment I only had 1 suggestion (adding 3u spacebar)…
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Tue, 25 September 2018, 15:59:47
Quick update, I should receive 3d files next week or so in order to make more accurate renders :thumb:
Keyreative will also be available next month so I might order some samples.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: dededecline on Tue, 25 September 2018, 16:09:43
Quick update, I should receive 3d files next week or so in order to make more accurate renders :thumb:
Keyreative will also be available next month so I might order some samples.

Does this mean we can probably expect November GB start?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Tue, 25 September 2018, 16:50:57
Eager to see samples. Multi-color reverse dye sub legends seem tricky, but if they're sharp, this is a really interesting idea.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Tue, 25 September 2018, 18:10:24
Quick update, I should receive 3d files next week or so in order to make more accurate renders :thumb:
Keyreative will also be available next month so I might order some samples.

Does this mean we can probably expect November GB start?

This will depend on the quality of the samples. Legends have to be sharp, clean and centered. I don’t wanna hurry and launch a GB with an unperfect product :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: dededecline on Wed, 26 September 2018, 10:54:56
Quick update, I should receive 3d files next week or so in order to make more accurate renders :thumb:
Keyreative will also be available next month so I might order some samples.

Does this mean we can probably expect November GB start?

This will depend on the quality of the samples. Legends have to be sharp, clean and centered. I don’t wanna hurry and launch a GB with an unperfect product :)

Agreed, definitely don't want it to be rushed! I'm just confirming that it won't happen in October, so that sounds good.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: portbaron on Wed, 26 September 2018, 14:20:40
I love the gray color  keys. How is this different than XDA?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Thu, 27 September 2018, 01:21:18
I love the gray color  keys. How is this different than XDA?

It's not flat. It's basically taller and thicker DSA

(http://img.zfrontier.com/post/20180530/FugMaDcV5WMEW7b0f8KY1WVGsJQq?imageView2/2/w/700/q/85)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: portbaron on Thu, 27 September 2018, 02:05:26
Noice
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Data on Fri, 28 September 2018, 07:22:49
I love the gray color  keys. How is this different than XDA?

It's not flat. It's basically taller and thicker DSA

Show Image
(http://img.zfrontier.com/post/20180530/FugMaDcV5WMEW7b0f8KY1WVGsJQq?imageView2/2/w/700/q/85)


Awesome.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: dededecline on Tue, 16 October 2018, 09:33:53
Any update on this starting this GB? Sorry for the impatience, I'm just incredibly excited for this.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Tue, 16 October 2018, 10:29:23
Any update on this starting this GB? Sorry for the impatience, I'm just incredibly excited for this.

Hey, thanks for your interest! I'm trying to order samples to Keyreative but they're very busy atm. I should get news this week…
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 23 October 2018, 16:40:08
Any update on this starting this GB? Sorry for the impatience, I'm just incredibly excited for this.

Hey, thanks for your interest! I'm trying to order samples to Keyreative but they're very busy atm. I should get news this week…

 :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Dorothy Sweet on Wed, 24 October 2018, 06:20:55
Would it be possible to move the ISO enter to the modifiers kit? Since there's already a 1U backslash/pipe in the alphas, only the ISO enter is needed for ISO-US support
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Wed, 24 October 2018, 09:45:14
Would it be possible to move the ISO enter to the modifiers kit? Since there's already a 1U backslash/pipe in the alphas, only the ISO enter is needed for ISO-US support

That makes sense! I plan to make a pretty big update on a few kits soon™ anyway :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: chuckdee on Wed, 24 October 2018, 13:11:28
I'm interested.  Scratches that nostalgia itch!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Vireca on Wed, 24 October 2018, 17:01:22
Any way can you do the alphas without the icons? I feel they looks like overloaded, i prefer them more clear.

Also, can keyreative do scooped homing keys? Maybe is better for KAM and more accurate for the old school feel than a little stripe on the keycap
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: myyrddraal on Wed, 24 October 2018, 19:19:17
Any way can you do the alphas without the icons? I feel they looks like overloaded, i prefer them more clear.

Also, can keyreative do scooped homing keys? Maybe is better for KAM and more accurate for the old school feel than a little stripe on the keycap
This is a themed keycap set. The icons and 2nd 3rd and 4th labels all have specific meaning, very dear to those who are into the 80s nostalgia.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Jkush463 on Wed, 24 October 2018, 19:35:02
Any way can you do the alphas without the icons? I feel they looks like overloaded, i prefer them more clear.

Also, can keyreative do scooped homing keys? Maybe is better for KAM and more accurate for the old school feel than a little stripe on the keycap

that effectively ruins the coolness of this set imo. also the whole purpose of the set. but it was shown what it would look like over at keebtalk im pretty sure.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Wed, 24 October 2018, 21:06:35
Can't wait to put this on my JD40: https://imgur.com/a/Yv36ndP
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Thu, 25 October 2018, 04:26:13
Alright, so Keyreative is like super busy, but I should be able to order a sample of alphas+mods in November, and finally receive the 3D files for more accurate renders at the same time.
Sorry for the wait guys!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Audiobs on Fri, 02 November 2018, 21:59:27
This looks awesome! I am definitely in, along with Bento!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Jkush463 on Sat, 03 November 2018, 10:20:45
Alright, so Keyreative is like super busy, but I should be able to order a sample of alphas+mods in November, and finally receive the 3D files for more accurate renders at the same time.
Sorry for the wait guys!

i think the wait is okay with so much going on carbon drop and soon godspeed, you set being pushed back will probably be good allow people to collect some money for it haha.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Ashardalon on Sun, 04 November 2018, 01:37:42
Been peeping this set from time to time recently and keeps intriguing me. I hope the samples are to your liking and that it all goes well! May want to get some myself if it's a wee bit down the line!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: tex_live_utility on Mon, 10 December 2018, 18:35:07
Alright, so Keyreative is like super busy, but I should be able to order a sample of alphas+mods in November, and finally receive the 3D files for more accurate renders at the same time.
Sorry for the wait guys!

It might actually be better until people in the West get their KAT Alpha and DSA/KAM Starry Night R2 (did that ship already?) sets, to build some additional recognition and trust.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Tue, 11 December 2018, 02:25:28
Alright, so Keyreative is like super busy, but I should be able to order a sample of alphas+mods in November, and finally receive the 3D files for more accurate renders at the same time.
Sorry for the wait guys!

It might actually be better until people in the West get their KAT Alpha and DSA/KAM Starry Night R2 (did that ship already?) sets, to build some additional recognition and trust.

Apparently, they are in production atm, according to what Zfrontier told me.
I'm still pushing to be able to order a prototype for Wraith…
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: dededecline on Fri, 25 January 2019, 10:24:03
Alright, so Keyreative is like super busy, but I should be able to order a sample of alphas+mods in November, and finally receive the 3D files for more accurate renders at the same time.
Sorry for the wait guys!

It might actually be better until people in the West get their KAT Alpha and DSA/KAM Starry Night R2 (did that ship already?) sets, to build some additional recognition and trust.

Apparently, they are in production atm, according to what Zfrontier told me.
I'm still pushing to be able to order a prototype for Wraith…

I know this is a hobby of patience, but at this point I feel like ZFrontier has set a bad precedent for how this order will go. This long without any traction is pretty crazy. I really want this set but I'm not sure it's worth waiting til 2021 for.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: mkarlsson on Sat, 26 January 2019, 10:13:37
Alright, so Keyreative is like super busy, but I should be able to order a sample of alphas+mods in November, and finally receive the 3D files for more accurate renders at the same time.
Sorry for the wait guys!

It might actually be better until people in the West get their KAT Alpha and DSA/KAM Starry Night R2 (did that ship already?) sets, to build some additional recognition and trust.

Apparently, they are in production atm, according to what Zfrontier told me.
I'm still pushing to be able to order a prototype for Wraith…

I know this is a hobby of patience, but at this point I feel like ZFrontier has set a bad precedent for how this order will go. This long without any traction is pretty crazy. I really want this set but I'm not sure it's worth waiting til 2021 for.

Zfrontier is shipping KAT alpha. Mine is about to be delivered. Hope you guys hear from them soon.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Sun, 27 January 2019, 14:25:53
At this moment I don't even had any news from zFrontier anymore. Looks like they are really busy. I'm doing my best for this set to happen!
Thank you all for the support tho :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Little4Real on Sun, 27 January 2019, 14:33:20
I'm still hoping this keyset is able to come into fruition.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: myyrddraal on Sun, 27 January 2019, 18:10:27
At this moment I don't even had any news from zFrontier anymore. Looks like they are really busy. I'm doing my best for this set to happen!
Thank you all for the support tho :thumb:
I personally can wait however long it takes for this to happen.


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: taropaste on Mon, 28 January 2019, 16:52:45
I think Keyreative have run into some manufacturing issues with KAT/KAM which has lead to the delays. It's a new profile and they're working with reverse dye-sub which has its challenges. ZFrontier posted a bit of information in their most recent updates post (https://en.zfrontier.com/blogs/project-updates/project-updates-jan-27-2019). They also posted a few early pictures of KAM Starry Nights.

[attachimg=1]

[attachimg=2]

To be honest, I'm glad KAM Wraith isn't the guinea pig. So hopefully, after KAM Starry Nights is done, all the problems will be sorted out and future runs will be smoother.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Mon, 28 January 2019, 17:00:53
I think Keyreative have run into some manufacturing issues with KAT/KAM which has lead to the delays. It's a new profile and they're working with reverse dye-sub which has its challenges. ZFrontier posted a bit of information in their most recent updates post (https://en.zfrontier.com/blogs/project-updates/project-updates-jan-27-2019). They also posted a few early pictures of KAM Starry Nights.

(Attachment Link)

(Attachment Link)

To be honest, I'm glad KAM Wraith isn't the guinea pig. So hopefully, after KAM Starry Nights is done, all the problems will be sorted out and future runs will be smoother.

Yeah I heard they had a big order of like 2k units and put everything on hold. Should be good soon.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: elfick on Mon, 28 January 2019, 17:14:51
I think Keyreative have run into some manufacturing issues with KAT/KAM which has lead to the delays. It's a new profile and they're working with reverse dye-sub which has its challenges. ZFrontier posted a bit of information in their most recent updates post (https://en.zfrontier.com/blogs/project-updates/project-updates-jan-27-2019). They also posted a few early pictures of KAM Starry Nights.

(Attachment Link)

(Attachment Link)

To be honest, I'm glad KAM Wraith isn't the guinea pig. So hopefully, after KAM Starry Nights is done, all the problems will be sorted out and future runs will be smoother.
Anyone have a link for KAT Poseidon? I googled it but couldn't find anything.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 29 January 2019, 17:27:24
I think Keyreative have run into some manufacturing issues with KAT/KAM which has lead to the delays. It's a new profile and they're working with reverse dye-sub which has its challenges. ZFrontier posted a bit of information in their most recent updates post (https://en.zfrontier.com/blogs/project-updates/project-updates-jan-27-2019). They also posted a few early pictures of KAM Starry Nights.

(Attachment Link)

(Attachment Link)

To be honest, I'm glad KAM Wraith isn't the guinea pig. So hopefully, after KAM Starry Nights is done, all the problems will be sorted out and future runs will be smoother.
Anyone have a link for KAT Poseidon? I googled it but couldn't find anything.

There was a DSA Poseidon during the Massdrop keycap competition. Creator had a Vietnamese name.

[attachimg=1]

Perhaps now it’s KAT
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Steerpike on Mon, 25 February 2019, 15:53:17
Any updates on this set?  It looks pretty hype!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: RamenTechMech on Mon, 25 February 2019, 16:01:42
Any updates on this set?  It looks pretty hype!

We should hear more after Bentō GB  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: vicissitude on Mon, 25 February 2019, 17:23:21
Any updates on this set?  It looks pretty hype!

We should hear more after Bentō GB  :thumb:

Yes for sure.
Another great keyset.  :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Mon, 25 February 2019, 17:38:26
Any updates on this set?  It looks pretty hype!

The manufacturer has to finish KAM Starry Nights first. I will order a prototype as soon as I can :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: ideus on Mon, 25 February 2019, 18:44:18
The Norde kit is awesome. But, it should include the therthiary legends to be really useful. 7 and 0 are missing the curly brackets, 8 and 9 are missing the square brackets, the + is missing the \ and so on. Also, I did not find a proper key for the ´` acute and grave accents, the ¨~^ dead key is not properly legended, 2, 3 and 4 are missing their currency symbols. A VIM arrow set in base color will be dope, also. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Tue, 26 February 2019, 02:01:02
The Norde kit is awesome. But, it should include the therthiary legends to be really useful. 7 and 0 are missing the curly brackets, 8 and 9 are missing the square brackets, the + is missing the \ and so on. Also, I did not find a proper key for the ´` acute and grave accents, the ¨~^ dead key is not properly legended, 2, 3 and 4 are missing their currency symbols. A VIM arrow set in base color will be dope, also. Just my two cents.

Thanks! I'll fix that :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 26 February 2019, 06:32:29
Wow, I love this. Would definitely be in.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: KeepCalm27 on Wed, 13 March 2019, 01:43:21
Love the design!
Maybe some sample of kam is necessary.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Wed, 13 March 2019, 03:12:49
Love the design!
Maybe some sample of kam is necessary.

That's what I've been trying for months, and the manufacturer finally have some time do proceed that!
I should receive a prototype soon :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Jkush463 on Thu, 14 March 2019, 00:00:47
Love the design!
Maybe some sample of kam is necessary.

That's what I've been trying for months, and the manufacturer finally have some time do proceed that!
I should receive a prototype soon :eek:

yayy
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: TuCZnak on Thu, 14 March 2019, 11:20:05
Love the design!
Maybe some sample of kam is necessary.

That's what I've been trying for months, and the manufacturer finally have some time do proceed that!
I should receive a prototype soon :eek:

Which set are you going to run first, Wraith or 2048?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Thu, 14 March 2019, 11:22:49
Love the design!
Maybe some sample of kam is necessary.

That's what I've been trying for months, and the manufacturer finally have some time do proceed that!
I should receive a prototype soon :eek:

Which set are you going to run first, Wraith or 2048?

Extended 2048, mid-april.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: myyrddraal on Sun, 24 March 2019, 13:34:47
Love the design!
Maybe some sample of kam is necessary.

That's what I've been trying for months, and the manufacturer finally have some time do proceed that!
I should receive a prototype soon :eek:

Which set are you going to run first, Wraith or 2048?

Extended 2048, mid-april.
:-( how long until Wraith?


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Mon, 25 March 2019, 02:55:56
Love the design!
Maybe some sample of kam is necessary.

That's what I've been trying for months, and the manufacturer finally have some time do proceed that!
I should receive a prototype soon :eek:

Which set are you going to run first, Wraith or 2048?

Extended 2048, mid-april.
:-( how long until Wraith?


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The manu is working on the samples atm :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: voight-kampff on Tue, 26 March 2019, 15:01:28
ah, can't wait for this
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: equalunique on Wed, 27 March 2019, 14:23:02
Extention kit might look great on my Massdrop -made green annodized planck HiPro case. Been looking for something that would match it.

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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: raptorzoz on Wed, 01 May 2019, 10:30:12
any new info regarding the set?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Tue, 07 May 2019, 13:58:47
any new info regarding the set?

I'm currently waiting for samples which should have been done last week :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: usually3 on Tue, 21 May 2019, 07:02:35
wait :D
I want this
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: mkarlsson on Tue, 21 May 2019, 15:38:32
It really is. I wish it was KAT instead of KAM... maybe someday.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Wed, 22 May 2019, 03:23:37
It really is. I wish it was KAT instead of KAM... maybe someday.

I choose KAM because 6 months ago they had issues with overall dye-sub on KAT keycaps :thumb:
I don't know if they found a solution.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: LuiKang on Wed, 22 May 2019, 03:45:27
It really is. I wish it was KAT instead of KAM... maybe someday.

I choose KAM because 6 months ago they had issues with overall dye-sub on KAT keycaps :thumb:
I don't know if they found a solution.
That's weird. KAT Alpha has crispiest legends of all keycaps I've seen. So does this mean that KAM Wraith will be changed to KAT Wraith if the supposed dye-sub issue is fixed? ;D
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Wed, 22 May 2019, 03:46:43
It really is. I wish it was KAT instead of KAM... maybe someday.

I choose KAM because 6 months ago they had issues with overall dye-sub on KAT keycaps :thumb:
I don't know if they found a solution.
That's weird. KAT Alpha has crispiest legends of all keycaps I've seen. So does this mean that KAM Wraith will be changed to KAT Wraith if the supposed dye-sub issue is fixed? ;D

Well, now KAM samples have been ordered. Maybe for another round.
Also, KAM profile fits the retro esthethic better IMO ;)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: LuiKang on Wed, 22 May 2019, 04:13:33
Well, now KAM samples have been ordered. Maybe for another round.
Also, KAM profile fits the retro esthethic better IMO ;)
:thumb: Functional-wise I'm not liking uniform dimension and shaped profiles. However, KAM like KAT is thick and smooth, its top surface is bigger than DSA and it's taller than DSA too. This could work for me. I'll probably join for a set.

PS: run a KAT gb in parallel and become twice as productive :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Wed, 22 May 2019, 04:50:31
Well, now KAM samples have been ordered. Maybe for another round.
Also, KAM profile fits the retro esthethic better IMO ;)
:thumb: Functional-wise I'm not liking uniform dimension and shaped profiles. However, KAM like KAT is thick and smooth, its top surface is bigger than DSA and it's taller than DSA too. This could work for me. I'll probably join for a set.

PS: run a KAT gb in parallel and become twice as productive :cool:

I'll take that in consideration, but the set will still firstly run in KAM.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: myyrddraal on Wed, 22 May 2019, 04:52:28
Well, now KAM samples have been ordered. Maybe for another round.
Also, KAM profile fits the retro esthethic better IMO ;)
:thumb: Functional-wise I'm not liking uniform dimension and shaped profiles. However, KAM like KAT is thick and smooth, its top surface is bigger than DSA and it's taller than DSA too. This could work for me. I'll probably join for a set.

PS: run a KAT gb in parallel and become twice as productive :cool:

I'll take that in consideration, but the set will still firstly run in KAM.
Uniform is good for orthos and columnar staggered builds. I like it. :-)


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Title: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: mkarlsson on Wed, 22 May 2019, 15:48:36
Overall dye sub means reverse dye sub? Cause that could be the issues OP mentions. KAT alpha is all white so there are no issues with the regular dye sub.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Wed, 22 May 2019, 15:54:03
Overall dye sub means reverse dye sub? Cause that could be the issues OP mentions. KAT alpha is all white so there are no issues with the regular dye sub.

From Alex (zFrontier), earlier this year, about reverse dye-sub on KAT profile (they = manufacturer):
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they are hesitant to do but definitely doable
since the reverse thing on a sculpted profile is super hard to do
but doable
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: mkarlsson on Wed, 22 May 2019, 16:06:59
Overall dye sub means reverse dye sub? Cause that could be the issues OP mentions. KAT alpha is all white so there are no issues with the regular dye sub.

From Alex (zFrontier), earlier this year, about reverse dye-sub on KAT profile (they = manufacturer):
Quote
they are hesitant to do but definitely doable
since the reverse thing on a sculpted profile is super hard to do
but doable

thanks
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Jkush463 on Wed, 22 May 2019, 17:09:37
glad to see there getting back to you finally, hope to see this come to fruition some day, what a great set.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Loligagger on Thu, 23 May 2019, 22:54:20
The ETA for samples is still set to Soon™ right?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Fri, 24 May 2019, 18:24:42
Interested
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Nixon on Tue, 18 June 2019, 09:27:37
Interested

According to the thread on Keebtalk, the samples are done and he's waiting for them to arrive.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: Sintpinty on Tue, 18 June 2019, 20:03:37
That rainbow spacebarr seems very lit
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 20 June 2019, 06:12:16
Hey!

Finally got the samples.
Will take some other shots soon™.

The keycaps aspect is really shiny, so I'm not sure that I'll go for KAM…
I might go for KAT R3 (to be confirmed).

I keep you guys in the loop :thumb:

(https://i.imgur.com/25u9rns.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rxKvLyK.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Thu, 20 June 2019, 06:15:00
Hey!

Finally got the samples.
Will take some other shots soon.

The keycaps aspect is really shiny, so I'm not sure that I'll go for KAM…
I might go for KAT R3 (to be confirmed).

I keep you guys in the loop :thumb:

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(https://i.imgur.com/25u9rns.jpg)


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(https://i.imgur.com/rxKvLyK.jpg)

It's too much shine. The original rubber speccy, from which you took the whole design, is totally matte. The shine would destroy the feeling completely.


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 20 June 2019, 06:16:30
Hey!

Finally got the samples.
Will take some other shots soon.

The keycaps aspect is really shiny, so I'm not sure that I'll go for KAM…
I might go for KAT R3 (to be confirmed).

I keep you guys in the loop :thumb:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/25u9rns.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/rxKvLyK.jpg)

It's too much shine. The original rubber speccy, from which you took the whole design, is totally matte. The shine would destroy the feeling completely.


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Yeah, that's why I thought about KAT.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Thu, 20 June 2019, 06:18:00
Hey!

Finally got the samples.
Will take some other shots soon.

The keycaps aspect is really shiny, so I'm not sure that I'll go for KAM…
I might go for KAT R3 (to be confirmed).

I keep you guys in the loop :thumb:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/25u9rns.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/rxKvLyK.jpg)

It's too much shine. The original rubber speccy, from which you took the whole design, is totally matte. The shine would destroy the feeling completely.


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Yeah, that's why I thought about KAT.
Is the matte finish somehow part of the KAT whilst the KAM is normally shiny?


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 20 June 2019, 06:19:42
Hey!

Finally got the samples.
Will take some other shots soon.

The keycaps aspect is really shiny, so I'm not sure that I'll go for KAM…
I might go for KAT R3 (to be confirmed).

I keep you guys in the loop :thumb:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/25u9rns.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/rxKvLyK.jpg)

It's too much shine. The original rubber speccy, from which you took the whole design, is totally matte. The shine would destroy the feeling completely.


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Yeah, that's why I thought about KAT.
Is the matte finish somehow part of the KAT whilst the KAM is normally shiny?


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Yeah apparently :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Thu, 20 June 2019, 06:20:15
Hey!

Finally got the samples.
Will take some other shots soon.

The keycaps aspect is really shiny, so I'm not sure that I'll go for KAM…
I might go for KAT R3 (to be confirmed).

I keep you guys in the loop :thumb:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/25u9rns.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/rxKvLyK.jpg)

It's too much shine. The original rubber speccy, from which you took the whole design, is totally matte. The shine would destroy the feeling completely.


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Yeah, that's why I thought about KAT.
Is the matte finish somehow part of the KAT whilst the KAM is normally shiny?


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Yeah apparently :rolleyes:
Oh boy, how twisted...


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Nixon on Thu, 20 June 2019, 06:22:39
Are they bluer than in the render? I was hoping they'd be closer to the gray of the original Speccy keys.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 20 June 2019, 06:23:57
Are they bluer than in the render? I was hoping they'd be closer to the gray of the original Speccy keys.

Yeah, color shouldn't have been so blueish. But that's not really an issue.
I ordered these samples in order to see how the overall dye-sub would look :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Nixon on Thu, 20 June 2019, 07:01:53
Are they bluer than in the render? I was hoping they'd be closer to the gray of the original Speccy keys.

Yeah, color shouldn't have been so blueish. But that's not really an issue.
I ordered these samples in order to see how the overall dye-sub would look :thumb:

The dye sub looks great. Can't wait for the group buy.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: The_Royal on Thu, 20 June 2019, 08:39:03
The shine one those is so BEAUTIFUL!

Not a huge fan of the “progressive” shine Most GMK sets get with light use but FULL Uniform shine is gorgeous and really adds to the Vintage vibe.

Seems like others don’t feel the same :(

I’ll definitely be looking into KAM if this is their standard tooling though  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: OneCreativeMind on Thu, 20 June 2019, 14:26:48
+1 vote for that beautiful uniform shine
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: garbo on Thu, 20 June 2019, 16:30:08
I'm also fond of keycap gloss, and those pictures have me quite hyped for KAM - definitely the most impressively shiny PBT that I've seen.

On the other hand, I can see how it might not suit this set in particular. If you think KAT R3 would be a matte alternative (that's otherwise identical?), that seems like the way to go.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: booleanjulien on Thu, 20 June 2019, 17:03:32
I feel like this shiny PBT KAM would be awesome in a simple WoB set.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Loligagger on Thu, 20 June 2019, 17:07:27
I would prefer matte tbh. Though KAT R2 isn't exactly the same shape as KAM.

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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: TuCZnak on Fri, 21 June 2019, 01:08:29
Oh no, that shine is horrible. Please don't do it like that. Maybe consider using XDA?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: eatmyguts on Fri, 21 June 2019, 22:02:34
Can you add the rainbow to the ergo?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: MdotMaxson on Sat, 22 June 2019, 05:27:27
Are the kits final? Chances you would sneak a rainbow 2u space bar in there for the Ergos, Plancks, and Preyonics?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Nixon on Sat, 22 June 2019, 06:04:29
I'd love  a 2U rainbow spacebar too.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: dvorcol on Sat, 22 June 2019, 14:55:02
Hey!

Finally got the samples.
Will take some other shots soon™.

The keycaps aspect is really shiny, so I'm not sure that I'll go for KAM…
I might go for KAT R3 (to be confirmed).

I keep you guys in the loop :thumb:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/25u9rns.jpg)


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(https://i.imgur.com/rxKvLyK.jpg)


I would prefer matte tbh. Though KAT R2 isn't exactly the same shape as KAM.

(Attachment Link)

Thanks Loligagger, I hadn't noticed the difference between KAT R2 and KAM before.  This overlay shows the detail.  It's also strange that KAT row numbering is opposite common nomenclature.

(https://i.imgur.com/AHnW2CT.png)

Here is a comparison of a few different uniform profile possibilities.

(https://i.imgur.com/GgbdxUk.png)

Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 22 June 2019, 22:31:45
The KAT home row profile is slightly asymmetric. I got an upside-down printed Enter key in my KAT Alpha set, and I couldn't just flip it around: the profile didn't match the other home row keys. Ended up getting a replacement cap from the vendor.

Anyway, even though it's asymmetric, it might still work as a uniform (albeit not flat) profile, as the asymmetry isn't that pronounced.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: shensmobile on Sun, 23 June 2019, 09:17:47
For what it’s worth, I absolutely love that shine. It really reminds me of how old terminals look today, after years of being typed on and building up that incredibly glossy finish.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: gminso on Sun, 23 June 2019, 10:05:15
+1 for the samples you got.

the keys are different in shape to begin with... why try to match the rest of the features?

this shine has more vintage vibe than the rest of SA caps out there  :thumb:

i just wanna say the samples look much better than the renders
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Sun, 23 June 2019, 10:59:32
I have to repeat again, for me who is after the Speccy nostalgia, the shine would be an absolute no go criteria.


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: audiosl4ve on Sun, 23 June 2019, 11:57:21
I must say i have mixed feelings. This shiny looks cool and unique, but again wondering how it would look mat. Anyway set is awesome looking. Looking forward for new updates.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: kmfmppl on Sun, 23 June 2019, 12:08:49
Id buy the glossy stuff as is. Dyesub seems on point
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: alphabirth on Wed, 03 July 2019, 11:26:33
Ugh.  As much as I love this set, if you stuck it out and went with the glossy version I'd probably have to sit it out...  Since people are throwing out ideas, what about the new [Mass]Drop ADA profile: https://drop.com/buy/tex-ada-keycap-set#overview  (https://drop.com/buy/tex-ada-keycap-set#overview)?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 03 July 2019, 12:57:37
Ugh.  As much as I love this set, if you stuck it out and went with the glossy version I'd probably have to sit it out...  Since people are throwing out ideas, what about the new [Mass]Drop ADA profile: https://drop.com/buy/tex-ada-keycap-set#overview  (https://drop.com/buy/tex-ada-keycap-set#overview)?

Have you tried ADA profile?  I’m curious how it feels compared to DSA and XDA.

I don’t think ADA is (Mass)Drop’s proprietary profile, and I don’t think double-shot ADA tooling exists yet.  Does anyone know for sure?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Wed, 03 July 2019, 13:00:11
Ugh.  As much as I love this set, if you stuck it out and went with the glossy version I'd probably have to sit it out...  Since people are throwing out ideas, what about the new [Mass]Drop ADA profile: https://drop.com/buy/tex-ada-keycap-set#overview  (https://drop.com/buy/tex-ada-keycap-set#overview)?
TEX ADA was on sale on kbdfans loooong before this drop sale. it was also cheaper but the drop dropped the price so it's slightly cheaper. I still would not buy it there unless the shipment is cheap.


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: alphabirth on Thu, 04 July 2019, 04:30:30
was on sale on kbdfans loooong before this drop sale. it was also cheaper but the drop dropped the price so it's slightly cheaper. I still would not buy it there unless the shipment is cheap.

Oh, interesting, I didn't know that.  KBDFans stuff has always been top quality in my experince.  I haven't tried the ADA profile, but just based on the pictures it looks like it's not too shiny, it's double-shot ABS, it's retro-styled, and uniform profile, which seemed like a good match.  Maybe shorter production queues too?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Thu, 04 July 2019, 05:55:04
was on sale on kbdfans loooong before this drop sale. it was also cheaper but the drop dropped the price so it's slightly cheaper. I still would not buy it there unless the shipment is cheap.

Oh, interesting, I didn't know that.  KBDFans stuff has always been top quality in my experince.  I haven't tried the ADA profile, but just based on the pictures it looks like it's not too shiny, it's double-shot ABS, it's retro-styled, and uniform profile, which seemed like a good match.  Maybe shorter production queues too?
It's not shiny at all.


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 04 July 2019, 10:07:08
was on sale on kbdfans loooong before this drop sale. it was also cheaper but the drop dropped the price so it's slightly cheaper. I still would not buy it there unless the shipment is cheap.

Oh, interesting, I didn't know that.  KBDFans stuff has always been top quality in my experince.  I haven't tried the ADA profile, but just based on the pictures it looks like it's not too shiny, it's double-shot ABS, it's retro-styled, and uniform profile, which seemed like a good match.  Maybe shorter production queues too?

Drop's description of the TEX ADA keycap set says the legends are laser-engraved, so they aren't double-shot.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Thu, 04 July 2019, 10:10:43
was on sale on kbdfans loooong before this drop sale. it was also cheaper but the drop dropped the price so it's slightly cheaper. I still would not buy it there unless the shipment is cheap.

Oh, interesting, I didn't know that.  KBDFans stuff has always been top quality in my experince.  I haven't tried the ADA profile, but just based on the pictures it looks like it's not too shiny, it's double-shot ABS, it's retro-styled, and uniform profile, which seemed like a good match.  Maybe shorter production queues too?

Drop's description of the TEX ADA keycap set says the legends are laser-engraved, so they aren't double-shot.
Definitely laser etched, no good quality.


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: harlekein on Fri, 05 July 2019, 03:48:07
I'd be interested in the shiny version. It's starting to grow on me.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: beekey on Fri, 05 July 2019, 06:14:36
I would also join for the glossy caps.
Title: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Fri, 05 July 2019, 06:45:34
It seems for some for me unclear reason ppl like glossy finish, which beats the marvelous work of underlying legends. And as the laws of free market dictate the majority decides. It's a big pity as I really hoped this IC would yield my endgame keyset. This dream is fading with every new comment voting for glossy.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: audiosl4ve on Fri, 05 July 2019, 08:49:10
what now we can't even say it looks cool? It's really "refreshing" to see some glossy caps since most people want mat finish...
And yeah glossy Wraith is not going to happen, biip said it himself... Besides Wraith looks totally off and wierd with glossy but that doesn't mean some other set is going to look terrible..
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Surefoot on Fri, 05 July 2019, 09:02:40
what now we can't even say it looks cool? It's really "refreshing" to see some glossy caps since most people want mat finish...
And yeah glossy Wraith is not going to happen, biip said it himself... Besides Wraith looks totally off and wierd with glossy but that doesn't mean some other set is going to look terrible..
Exactly - this glossy finish opens a lot of interesting options for colorways that will profit from it. Wraith is not one of these. Still, i love my glossy SA Honeywell, i wouldnt mind a similar set in KAM.. and i am certain that other colorways will look really good with that finish. Also that all over dye sub process gives really good results in terms of color saturation (that blue is interesting..)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Fri, 05 July 2019, 10:24:32
what now we can't even say it looks cool? It's really "refreshing" to see some glossy caps since most people want mat finish...
And yeah glossy Wraith is not going to happen, biip said it himself... Besides Wraith looks totally off and wierd with glossy but that doesn't mean some other set is going to look terrible..
I don't understand the reason for your latently aggressive tone. What I saw in this thread was majority of votes for glossy finish. That was my reaction on those votes. What is really going to happen is solely biip's decision. I just expressed my assumptive feelings. Btw. I never said glossy is not nice, quite contradictory. But since we are here in Wraith thread  I expressed my opinion on glossy+wraith and nothing else. The same you expressed now yours.


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Fri, 05 July 2019, 12:00:23
The issue here is that matte finish would fix the aesthetic of the ZX Spectrum better IMO.
I'll try to get matte samples and we will see  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Fri, 05 July 2019, 12:08:09
The issue here is that matte finish would fix the aesthetic of the ZX Spectrum better IMO.
I'll try to get matte samples and we will see  :thumb:
My sentiments exactly.


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: adxlk on Fri, 05 July 2019, 12:18:20
how bout mt3
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Fri, 05 July 2019, 12:54:59
how bout mt3
There is too small surface for it. Besides the surface is also too curved to let the complex legends shine.


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Surefoot on Fri, 05 July 2019, 23:02:08
XDAS ('squared' XDA) is the only other similar profile, with a big enough top to fit the sublegends. It's got a matte finish too.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Jkush463 on Fri, 05 July 2019, 23:09:53
i kinda like the shiny but i can see it wouldn't be a thing for everyone, glad to see this moving! i sure do like how it looks on this profile
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: adxlk on Sat, 06 July 2019, 03:16:17
seems doable for mt3

(https://i.imgur.com/16LpOV4.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: The_Royal on Sat, 06 July 2019, 03:19:44
seems doable for mt3

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Gonna have to slap a big “Doubt-It!” On that one lol

Just Fitting This:

(https://i.imgur.com/EcOqs85.jpg)

Onto that key and making it match the adjacent legends seems pretty difficult.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Sat, 06 July 2019, 03:48:11
seems doable for mt3

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Have you seen all the legends? The KAM/Kat is the smallest possible surface imho


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: equalunique on Sat, 06 July 2019, 09:11:51
Sorry that shiny KAM finish is too much for the project. I really like it, but can understand why it would not be appropriate for this project.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: haitacxyz on Sat, 06 July 2019, 11:38:07
I'm definitely joining for the KAT Wraith. Already have a KAT Alpha for mine and I can't have any complaint about it.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:00:44
Well, I chose KAM because of the large surface.
Sadly I had to work with the KAT template that's why the legends are so tight...
Keep in mind that this a prototype :thumb:

I thought about KAT R3 only (to keep the "uniform" look), but I'll have to check the top surface.
IIRC overall dye-sub on KAT isn't easy because how dug the keycap is.
I'm still working on the project and trying to find solutions with Keyreative tho!
Title: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:08:46
Well, I chose KAM because of the large surface.
Sadly I had to work with the KAT template that's why the legends are so tight...
Keep in mind that this a prototype :thumb:

I thought about KAT R3 only (to keep the "uniform" look), but I'll have to check the top surface.
IIRC overall dye-sub on KAT isn't easy because how dug the keycap is.
I'm still working on the project and trying to find solutions with Keyreative tho!
Such a pity. I am out. I really hoped this could have been the ultimate keyset.


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:15:48
Well, I chose KAM because of the large surface.
Sadly I had to work with the KAT template that's why the legends are so tight...
Keep in mind that this a prototype :thumb:

I thought about KAT R3 only (to keep the "uniform" look), but I'll have to check the top surface.
IIRC overall dye-sub on KAT isn't easy because how dug the keycap is.
I'm still working on the project and trying to find solutions with Keyreative tho!
Such a pity. I am out. I really hoped this could have been the ultimate keyset.


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What do you mean? I’m just trying to get a correct final product.
The initial design had matte finish. The samples are glossy. Even if some people like the result, I need to see how it would look with an accurate result.

I hope you can understand that :)
Title: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:21:34
Well, I chose KAM because of the large surface.
Sadly I had to work with the KAT template that's why the legends are so tight...
Keep in mind that this a prototype :thumb:

I thought about KAT R3 only (to keep the "uniform" look), but I'll have to check the top surface.
IIRC overall dye-sub on KAT isn't easy because how dug the keycap is.
I'm still working on the project and trying to find solutions with Keyreative tho!
Such a pity. I am out. I really hoped this could have been the ultimate keyset.


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What do you mean? I’m just trying to get a correct final product.
The initial design had matte finish. The samples are glossy. Even if some people like the result, I need to see how it would look with an accurate result.

I hope you can understand that :)
You mentioned earlier that KAM is available only in glossy finish. So i took it as a fact KAM==glossy. And please please don't take it as a criticism or whatever. Do whatever you find the right way. If there is a chance for KAM in matte that would be THE killer keyset ( of course only for my small individual :-) )


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Sun, 07 July 2019, 12:00:06
Well, I chose KAM because of the large surface.
Sadly I had to work with the KAT template that's why the legends are so tight...
Keep in mind that this a prototype :thumb:

I thought about KAT R3 only (to keep the "uniform" look), but I'll have to check the top surface.
IIRC overall dye-sub on KAT isn't easy because how dug the keycap is.
I'm still working on the project and trying to find solutions with Keyreative tho!
Such a pity. I am out. I really hoped this could have been the ultimate keyset.


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What do you mean? I’m just trying to get a correct final product.
The initial design had matte finish. The samples are glossy. Even if some people like the result, I need to see how it would look with an accurate result.

I hope you can understand that :)
You mentioned earlier that KAM is available only in glossy finish. So i took it as a fact KAM==glossy. And please please don't take it as a criticism or whatever. Do whatever you find the right way. If there is a chance for KAM in matte that would be THE killer keyset ( of course only for my small individual :-) )


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Oh well I kinda misunderstood then :) my bad ahah!
But yeah, as I said I really want the set to fit the ZX Spectrum aesthetic and I’ll do my best to reach my objective :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Rayndalf on Sun, 07 July 2019, 21:17:28
G20 would also be some kind of option. Not sure how it would feel in use, but it worked well for Semiotic (similarly dominated by large legends with a rougher texture).
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Mon, 08 July 2019, 01:30:54
G20 would also be some kind of option. Not sure how it would feel in use, but it worked well for Semiotic (similarly dominated by large legends with a rougher texture).
While G20 is the next thing to the original shape of the ZX Spectrum rubber pads it provides good feeling only on very few keyboards. It would decrease the sale pitch of the set drastically imho.


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: dededecline on Tue, 09 July 2019, 12:06:39
G20 would also be some kind of option. Not sure how it would feel in use, but it worked well for Semiotic (similarly dominated by large legends with a rougher texture).
While G20 is the next thing to the original shape of the ZX Spectrum rubber pads it provides good feeling only on very few keyboards. It would decrease the sale pitch of the set drastically imho.


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Can you elaborate? I'm typing on G20 right now (Iris keyboard) and it feels amazing, curious what makes G20 feel good/bad
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Tue, 09 July 2019, 13:26:48
G20 would also be some kind of option. Not sure how it would feel in use, but it worked well for Semiotic (similarly dominated by large legends with a rougher texture).
While G20 is the next thing to the original shape of the ZX Spectrum rubber pads it provides good feeling only on very few keyboards. It would decrease the sale pitch of the set drastically imho.


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Can you elaborate? I'm typing on G20 right now (Iris keyboard) and it feels amazing, curious what makes G20 feel good/bad
Planck with pink kailh: meh. Anything standard staggered (full size mx clears, 68 with burn oranges) really meh (could not of course try fully but everything 1u). Chimera ergo with MOD-M tactile: so, so. But dactyl manuform (Outemu Skies v2.2 no led opening so less wobble) was very pleasant. I suppose for me they need tenting. Building corne now, plan to try them on T1s.



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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Wed, 07 August 2019, 14:41:42
Any movement on this set?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: garbo on Wed, 07 August 2019, 20:42:54
Any movement on this set?

From the KAT Milkshake thread:

...
I'm also trying to find a solution for Wraith. Oh wait… I have one 👀 Stay tuned for that one!

There's only so many projects a person can handle at once, though. Seems like this might be further down the pipeline than Milkshake.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Wed, 07 August 2019, 21:39:14
G20 would also be some kind of option. Not sure how it would feel in use, but it worked well for Semiotic (similarly dominated by large legends with a rougher texture).
While G20 is the next thing to the original shape of the ZX Spectrum rubber pads it provides good feeling only on very few keyboards. It would decrease the sale pitch of the set drastically imho.


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Can you elaborate? I'm typing on G20 right now (Iris keyboard) and it feels amazing, curious what makes G20 feel good/bad
Planck with pink kailh: meh. Anything standard staggered (full size mx clears, 68 with burn oranges) really meh (could not of course try fully but everything 1u). Chimera ergo with MOD-M tactile: so, so. But dactyl manuform (Outemu Skies v2.2 no led opening so less wobble) was very pleasant. I suppose for me they need tenting. Building corne now, plan to try them on T1s.



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I'm one user of G20 too and I do like it, though... right now I don't use it.


but is it even possible to make this set in G20? I don't think SP do reverse-dyesub.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 08 August 2019, 01:59:19
Any movement on this set?

Yes, I have to rework kits a bit but we will be able to get mate finish on KAM profile. More info soon.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Thu, 08 August 2019, 02:44:09
Any movement on this set?

Yes, I have to rework kits a bit but we will be able to get mate finish on KAM profile. More info soon.
Excellent news!


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Thu, 08 August 2019, 13:40:44
Any movement on this set?

Yes, I have to rework kits a bit but we will be able to get mate finish on KAM profile. More info soon.
Great to hear! Thanks for the update!

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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: MdotMaxson on Wed, 14 August 2019, 10:58:07
Rainbow on the ortho space?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Wed, 14 August 2019, 14:16:30
Rainbow on the ortho space?

I will rework all the kits after the Group Buy of KAT Milkshake :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Fri, 16 August 2019, 07:01:41
Rainbow on the ortho space?
Second!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Fri, 16 August 2019, 07:19:39
Rainbow on the ortho space?
Second!

will do  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Fri, 16 August 2019, 08:40:43
Rainbow on the ortho space?
Second!
third :-)


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Fri, 16 August 2019, 09:03:07
Rainbow on the ortho space?
Second!

will do  :thumb:
For realz? Awesome sauce!

As someone whose first computer in the still-communist Czechoslovakia in 1988 was the original Sinclair ZX Spectrum, I can't wait for this!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Mon, 19 August 2019, 06:11:21
Rainbow on the ortho space?
Second!

will do  :thumb:
For realz? Awesome sauce!

As someone whose first computer in the still-communist Czechoslovakia in 1988 was the original Sinclair ZX Spectrum, I can't wait for this!
Zdravim davneho brata v zbroji...


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: MdotMaxson on Tue, 20 August 2019, 07:54:04
Rainbow on the ortho space?
Second!

will do  :thumb:

You just made a grown man cry. I’m so happy.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Adelscott on Fri, 13 September 2019, 08:04:14
Rainbow on the ortho space?

I will rework all the kits after the Group Buy of KAT Milkshake :thumb:

And maybe add a baguette kit ?  ;D
Please be our messiah !  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: MdotMaxson on Mon, 30 September 2019, 05:03:30
Dying to see samples of the non shiny kam
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: audiosl4ve on Fri, 04 October 2019, 14:58:19
Got any info about this?  :-X
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: psxndc on Fri, 04 October 2019, 16:52:28
Milkshake just finished up, so I'm sure biip is still catching their breath. Give 'em one more day, then let the pestering commence!  :))
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Sat, 05 October 2019, 11:10:52
Milkshake just finished up, so I'm sure biip is still catching their breath. Give 'em one more day, then let the pestering commence!  :))

I plan to release another set very soon. Then I will finalize Wraith :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Sat, 05 October 2019, 11:45:26
I plan to release another set very soon. Then I will finalize Wraith :thumb:

Noo, more wait... Other sets can wait, Wraith has been my dream set ever since I found out about it! :-)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: phunktional on Sat, 05 October 2019, 11:46:14
Milkshake just finished up, so I'm sure biip is still catching their breath. Give 'em one more day, then let the pestering commence!  :))

I plan to release another set very soon. Then I will finalize Wraith :thumb:
Tell me more!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: stoffelduss on Mon, 21 October 2019, 16:27:45
Are there convex 1u molds for planck space"bars" in KAM profile?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Willhurt2008 on Wed, 23 October 2019, 05:04:18
want that set, never tried KAM, willing to try!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Wed, 23 October 2019, 06:25:15
I received new samples with a matte finish!
I'll post a massive update hopefully next month :thumb:

I'll make a potato pic of em tonight since it's night when I leave my work's place…
I might be able to shoot this weekend by daylight tho.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: msting on Wed, 23 October 2019, 06:28:40
Awesome!  :p
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: audiosl4ve on Wed, 23 October 2019, 06:39:53
I received new samples with a matte finish!
I'll post a massive update hopefully next month :thumb:

I'll make a potato pic of em tonight since it's night when I leave my work's place…
I might be able to shoot this weekend by daylight tho.

Awesome news. How's the quality? Are you satisfied with samples? ;)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Wed, 23 October 2019, 06:54:52
I received new samples with a matte finish!
I'll post a massive update hopefully next month :thumb:

I'll make a potato pic of em tonight since it's night when I leave my work's place…
I might be able to shoot this weekend by daylight tho.

Awesome news. How's the quality? Are you satisfied with samples? ;)

The surface is awesome, and the dye-sub is what I expected. I'll some new color samples but I think I've found a solution to make this set become real!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: audiosl4ve on Wed, 23 October 2019, 06:58:44
This is awesome to hear! Really exited for sample pics  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Ruwey on Wed, 23 October 2019, 07:01:04
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Willhurt2008 on Wed, 23 October 2019, 11:07:16
KAM here we come!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 23 October 2019, 12:08:02
I received new samples with a matte finish!
I'll post a massive update hopefully next month :thumb:

I'll make a potato pic of em tonight since it's night when I leave my work's place…
I might be able to shoot this weekend by daylight tho.

So glad to see they can do matte.  Looking forward to the photos.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Wed, 23 October 2019, 12:56:06
Yay, I really hope this moves to GB soon! Can't wait.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Senor Coconut on Wed, 23 October 2019, 19:01:17
Same Here. Very excited to join the GB.
Would you considere an extra  "Wraith baguette" kit?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 24 October 2019, 05:15:39
(https://i.imgur.com/gaPjT5t.png)

potato pic, don't mind about the colors tho.
I keep you guys in the loop :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: stoffelduss on Thu, 24 October 2019, 06:20:54
what!!!!!!!! this looks amazing!! is it still KAM (thick PBT and uniform profile)?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 24 October 2019, 06:39:24
what!!!!!!!! this looks amazing!! is it still KAM (thick PBT and uniform profile)?

yep :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: audiosl4ve on Thu, 24 October 2019, 06:57:14
Didn't you originaly said they can't make matte KAM? So that means they again did someting new?  :eek:

EDIT: my mistake. I always mix KAM and KAT  :mad:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 24 October 2019, 07:07:35
Didn't you originaly said they can't make matte KAM? So that means they again did someting new?  :eek:

EDIT: my mistake. I always mix KAM and KAT  :mad:

They'll make new molds! That's why it took time :)
They already made the 1u mate finish mold tho.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: beekey on Thu, 24 October 2019, 07:20:29
Wow, cool. This will be fun. :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Thu, 24 October 2019, 07:24:34
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potato pic, don't mind about the colors tho.
I keep you guys in the loop :)
Omg. That looks fabulous. I feel the pain of my keeb account already...


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 24 October 2019, 07:30:18
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potato pic, don't mind about the colors tho.
I keep you guys in the loop :)
Omg. That looks fabulous. I feel the pain of my keeb account already...


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the pic is really bad, sorry for that. These days when I leave my job it's already night time…
The legends are super sharp and the surface of the keycap feels great.

I will work on the entire set (and finalize kits) very soon!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Surefoot on Thu, 24 October 2019, 08:49:43
Is the surface like KAT ? (matte and silky to the touch)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: psxndc on Thu, 24 October 2019, 09:00:56
Duuuuuude, these look soooo good!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 24 October 2019, 09:10:30
Duuuuuude, these look soooo good!

keep in mind that the manufacturer used the template I made in DSA profile with a smaller surface.
The final legends won't have kerning/overlapping/whatever issues :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: psxndc on Thu, 24 October 2019, 09:53:11
Yup got it. I meant the matte vs the previous shine. This set is gonna be great!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: RacerK1 on Fri, 25 October 2019, 12:43:56
Yes, this kit is the new must buy for me. Please keep us updated!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: MdotMaxson on Sat, 26 October 2019, 03:15:43
I’m glad that the best sets are made by a competent designer who will make a kit for everyone instead of being either lazy or selfish. Not to mention his attention to detail. This is the first interest check I fell in love with and it’ll probably be my only group buy that proved to be worth the wait. Excited AF to buy every kit reguardless if I need them or not.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Sat, 26 October 2019, 03:18:27
I’m glad that the best sets are made by a competent designer who will make a kit for everyone instead of being either lazy or selfish. Not to mention his attention to detail. This is the first interest check I fell in love with and it’ll probably be my only group buy that proved to be worth the wait. Excited AF to buy every kit reguardless if I need them or not.
Exactly my case here. Except I know already, that I will need some of the kits more than once ;-)


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: MdotMaxson on Sat, 26 October 2019, 03:41:27
I’m glad that the best sets are made by a competent designer who will make a kit for everyone instead of being either lazy or selfish. Not to mention his attention to detail. This is the first interest check I fell in love with and it’ll probably be my only group buy that proved to be worth the wait. Excited AF to buy every kit reguardless if I need them or not.
Exactly my case here. Except I know already, that I will need some of the kits more than once ;-)


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Lol. Ok I feel that. I bought 4 kits of Dots so I could make a white version of GMK Dots. I almost did the same with fruits, but I figured I was getting ahead of myself. I’ll grab the kits when they come around as my order already topped like 300$ for milkshake. It(his milkshake) brought me to the yard. And then it twerked on me I guess you could say.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: VoodooBear on Sat, 09 November 2019, 01:37:38
In!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: MdotMaxson on Sat, 23 November 2019, 23:15:46
I feel like this set is so close to GB I can smell those plastic pbt rainbows
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Hell-es on Sun, 24 November 2019, 01:01:12
I feel like this set is so close to GB I can smell those plastic pbt rainbows
think bushido is first ?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Sun, 24 November 2019, 06:27:23
I feel like this set is so close to GB I can smell those plastic pbt rainbows
think bushido is first ?

Nah, Wraith will be live soon hopefully!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Kawamashi on Sun, 24 November 2019, 07:55:48
OMG, can’t wait ! Any change on the kits of FP ? I hope not, they seem really nice the way they are...
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Sun, 24 November 2019, 08:09:36
OMG, can’t wait ! Any change on the kits of FP ? I hope not, they seem really nice the way they are...

Yep, a big update is coming.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 24 November 2019, 08:50:02
Not a huge fan of the profile but I really like the set.

Compromise I'm willing to take
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: MdotMaxson on Sun, 24 November 2019, 08:52:38
I feel like this set is so close to GB I can smell those plastic pbt rainbows
think bushido is first ?

Nah, Wraith will be live soon hopefully!

O wow I meant soon as in only a group buy after bishops away. But if it might be coming sooner..... my wallet is ready. All kits please.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Sun, 24 November 2019, 09:06:24


O wow I meant soon as in only a group buy after bishops away. But if it might be coming sooner..... my wallet is ready. All kits please.

Yeah, bring it on! I'm also going all in on this one
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: farmisen on Sun, 24 November 2019, 10:56:19
I grew up on zx spectrum, oric atmos, amstrad cpc 664, apple ii and a few others. Looking at your renders brought up so much memories of 8 bit gaming with my cousins and my first dabbling with the by then onboard basic playground or with machine code then assembly when mainstream assemblers became a reality that typing this comment makes me weepy. I am literally in 300% and if there is anything that would make this even awesomer it would be a  set of zx 81 alphas.

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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Sun, 24 November 2019, 10:59:57
I grew up on zx spectrum, oric atmos, amstrad cpc 664, apple ii and a few others. Looking at your renders brought up so much memories of 8 bit gaming with my cousins and my first dabbling with the by then onboard basic playground or with machine code then assembly when mainstream assemblers became a reality that typing this comment makes me weepy. I am literally in 300% and if there is anything that would make this even awesomer it would be a  set of zx 81 alphas.

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Oh, brother I wept my share already. Had to rebuy the original ZX Spectrum+ on ebay and bought a ZX Spectrum rubber BT keyboard and modded with raspberry pi barebone emulator.


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Sun, 24 November 2019, 13:16:52
... and bought a ZX Spectrum rubber BT keyboard and modded with raspberry pi barebone emulator.

Did you get the one from the Elite Systems Kickstarter?

I did and mine is misbehaving... Great idea putting a Pi with an emulator inside!

(https://i.imgur.com/V2afPQf.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Mon, 25 November 2019, 03:18:04
... and bought a ZX Spectrum rubber BT keyboard and modded with raspberry pi barebone emulator.

Did you get the one from the Elite Systems Kickstarter?

I did and mine is misbehaving... Great idea putting a Pi with an emulator inside!

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(https://i.imgur.com/V2afPQf.jpg)


👋

(https://www.keebtalk.com/uploads/db8059/original/2X/9/9b61b47bb829353bcae5ff68247835ee0b0c8f5f.jpeg)

(https://www.keebtalk.com/uploads/db8059/original/2X/5/56704bfa5b4e2d531e4c6795ac01a67983c34216.jpeg)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Sun, 01 December 2019, 03:05:20
... and bought a ZX Spectrum rubber BT keyboard and modded with raspberry pi barebone emulator.

Did you get the one from the Elite Systems Kickstarter?

I did and mine is misbehaving... Great idea putting a Pi with an emulator inside!

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/V2afPQf.jpg)

It wasn't kickstarter anymore. I just bought it on ebay or amazon I don't remember. I bought it originally because there are emulators supporting the chain codes it sends for the basic commands.


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: raptorzoz on Fri, 13 December 2019, 10:40:54
Any updates? It would be nice with a rough ETA, since I am considering KAT Drifter, but I definitely don't wanna miss out on this due to lack of funds.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Fri, 13 December 2019, 17:23:47
Any updates? It would be nice with a rough ETA, since I am considering KAT Drifter, but I definitely don't wanna miss out on this due to lack of funds.

I planed to post the update while ago but I’m still waiting for renders atm.
Group Buy will be in January! More information soon.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: SpringWind on Fri, 13 December 2019, 22:26:44
I really like keycaps you have designed.
Because I recently begin this hobby so I missed many GB till now.
This project is my first chance, I can't wait!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: andtar2 on Sat, 14 December 2019, 01:29:10
The Norde kit is awesome. But, it should include the therthiary legends to be really useful. 7 and 0 are missing the curly brackets, 8 and 9 are missing the square brackets, the + is missing the \ and so on. Also, I did not find a proper key for the ´` acute and grave accents, the ¨~^ dead key is not properly legended, 2, 3 and 4 are missing their currency symbols. A VIM arrow set in base color will be dope, also. Just my two cents.

Thanks! I'll fix that :thumb:

Did you have time to look into that? If tertiary legends on NordeUk would be possible, that would be amazing. It may be a few extra keys, but I think its totally worth it.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Hell-es on Sat, 14 December 2019, 05:16:44
Any updates? It would be nice with a rough ETA, since I am considering KAT Drifter, but I definitely don't wanna miss out on this due to lack of funds.

I planed to post the update while ago but I’m still waiting for renders atm.
Group Buy will be in January! More information soon.
january sounds nice, waiting for kit updates .... how big the shopping cart has to be ;)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Sat, 14 December 2019, 05:21:15
I planed to post the update while ago but I’m still waiting for renders atm.
Group Buy will be in January! More information soon.
january sounds nice, waiting for kit updates .... how big the shopping cart has to be ;)

Much hype! Can't wait. I'm a full-on ortho guy, but this is one of the few sets I'll be getting 60/65% kits, just in case. That's how much I love it
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: myyrddraal on Sat, 14 December 2019, 05:39:13
I planed to post the update while ago but I’m still waiting for renders atm.
Group Buy will be in January! More information soon.
january sounds nice, waiting for kit updates .... how big the shopping cart has to be ;)

Much hype! Can't wait. I'm a full-on ortho guy, but this is one of the few sets I'll be getting 60/65% kits, just in case. That's how much I love it
I wish i could be so rational. I am getting at least two alphas for non staggered and staggered builds and all extension kits accordingly. (Except nordeuk)


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: raptorzoz on Sat, 14 December 2019, 07:33:59
Any updates? It would be nice with a rough ETA, since I am considering KAT Drifter, but I definitely don't wanna miss out on this due to lack of funds.

I planed to post the update while ago but I’m still waiting for renders atm.
Group Buy will be in January! More information soon.

oh thats soon :/, might have to skip drifter then. Really looking forward to it though!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Mcnos on Sat, 14 December 2019, 07:35:58
January is going to be a tough month on my wallet again...
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Sat, 14 December 2019, 13:11:35
Samples getting better and better.
Note that the final surface will be smooth :thumb:
I have to rework the blue color.

(https://i.imgur.com/7rjk5Mb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Su0hvm5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3Xd3vFz.jpg)

The update is coming very soon.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: The_Royal on Sat, 14 December 2019, 13:49:12
I'm not even sad about the change to Matte any more.

Those sample are absolutely beautiful.

Excited!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: walletburner on Sat, 14 December 2019, 14:10:03
samples look great, im totally sold. looking forward to a launch.  :D
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Mcnos on Sat, 14 December 2019, 14:20:03
I'm not even sad about the change to Matte any more.

Those sample are absolutely beautiful.

Excited!

It's going to be Matte?

Thought they all came shiny lol. Add to the bucket list for January then
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sat, 14 December 2019, 14:20:53
you bet!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: nasp on Sat, 14 December 2019, 14:29:28
I'm not even sad about the change to Matte any more.

Those sample are absolutely beautiful.

Excited!

It's going to be Matte?

Thought they all came shiny lol. Add to the bucket list for January then

Biip purposefully asked Keyreative for matte samples because he doesn't think the shine goes well with Wraith's design. Regardless, this is turning out very well!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Sat, 14 December 2019, 14:30:31
I'm not even sad about the change to Matte any more.

Those sample are absolutely beautiful.

Excited!

It's going to be Matte?

Thought they all came shiny lol. Add to the bucket list for January then

Matte and smooth!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sat, 14 December 2019, 14:32:35
Is it updated kits time?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Nixon on Sat, 14 December 2019, 17:07:58
Those look beautiful, can't wait til the GB.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: bewareofpixels on Sat, 14 December 2019, 23:13:41
Those samples are BEAUTIFUL!

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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Insanto on Sun, 15 December 2019, 01:06:14
I'd love to see full NorDe legends, I think the tripple sets add to the aesthetic of the whole
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: raptorzoz on Sun, 15 December 2019, 05:08:46
Samples getting better and better.
Note that the final surface will be smooth :thumb:
I have to rework the blue color.

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The update is coming very soon.

It looks absolutely fantastic!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Slice on Sun, 15 December 2019, 05:39:53
Love the look! So happy to see that you are not going for the shiny ones.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: audiosl4ve on Sun, 15 December 2019, 05:54:57
this is looking awesome  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Sun, 15 December 2019, 08:24:16
I'll update the initial thread when I'll get the new renders.
New kits (pricing is coming soon):

base-kit (which covers from 40% to full-size layouts)
(https://i.imgur.com/FBW8pM5.png)

calc-kit (numpad extension)
(https://i.imgur.com/jOBl01x.png)

ergo-kit
(https://i.imgur.com/RcOP5CX.png)

extension-kit
(https://i.imgur.com/Igfospa.png)

intl-kit (basically NorDeUkFr)
(https://i.imgur.com/tqfCxZ2.png)

space-kit
(https://i.imgur.com/ZYLaFvp.png)



I might remove the 40% support from the base kit and put it in the ergo kit if that make more sense.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 15 December 2019, 08:44:03
💪🥖
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: danieljgrouse on Sun, 15 December 2019, 08:49:04
I like the new kit breakdown, including having 40% support in the main kit. Kinda wish the rainbow spacebars were available in the Space-kit though. They're a huge part of the set's identity for me and while I will totally pay for a kit I don't need just to get them, I wish I didn't have to. Glad to see the matte finish turned out right, the glossy nature of KAM is beautiful but wouldn't fit Wraith. You're killing it biip, so many great keysets lately! Thanks for all your work. (And curse you because I should be spending money on other things as well.)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Sun, 15 December 2019, 08:53:10
I might remove the 40% support from the base kit and put it in the ergo kit if that make more sense.

I'm surprised this got reshuffled so aggressively into big kits rather than the usual pick-and-choose format... Why is that? I thought MOQs are not an issue. After many massive GMK base kits I was looking forward to small specialized kits... A bit disappointed to be frank.

Anyway, I'd personally prefer if you kept 40% in the base - I was going to get 60/65% support anyway and this would mean I only need one kit. Ortho seems to be included in base too. OTOH, if you do end up moving 40%/ortho to ergo, I might just get that and save a bit of money.

I see the rainbow stripe on the 2u spacebar didn't work out in the end, that's a pity. I guess that's because it's also for other boards, where it would not work very well, not just for ortho (where it would fit beautifully).
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Adelscott on Sun, 15 December 2019, 08:55:04
intl-kit (basically NorDeUkFr)
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(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EnchantedDeliciousAmericansaddlebred-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Ruwey on Sun, 15 December 2019, 09:03:46


I'll update the initial thread when I'll get the new renders.
New kits (pricing is coming soon):

Are you getting rid of the arrow kit? Those vim keys looked awfully nice.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Robosculpts on Sun, 15 December 2019, 09:05:02
No more little red spacebar? That was my favorite part.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Sun, 15 December 2019, 09:05:17
I might remove the 40% support from the base kit and put it in the ergo kit if that make more sense.

I'm surprised this got reshuffled so aggressively into big kits rather than the usual pick-and-choose format... Why is that?

To lower the cost. My goal was to offer the possibility to cover a full-size board for $100.
Keep in mind that this set requires all the molds being created in matte finish  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Sun, 15 December 2019, 09:06:30
No more little red spacebar? That was my favorite part.

It didn’t fit the spirit/aesthetic of Sinclair keyboards IMO.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Sun, 15 December 2019, 09:08:28
Kinda wish the rainbow spacebars were available in the Space-kit though. They're a huge part of the set's identity for me and while I will totally pay for a kit I don't need just to get them, I wish I didn't have to.

Agreed - is there any chance you would reconsider and move those striped spacebars to the spacebar kit? And poasibly include a striped 2u one as well? ;) (I'd totally understand the latter wasn't feasible though.)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Sun, 15 December 2019, 09:10:49
Kinda wish the rainbow spacebars were available in the Space-kit though. They're a huge part of the set's identity for me and while I will totally pay for a kit I don't need just to get them, I wish I didn't have to.

Agreed - is there any chance you would reconsider and move those striped spacebars to the spacebar kit? And poasibly include a striped 2u one as well? ;) (I'd totally understand the latter wasn't feasible though.)

I’ll definitely rework the space kit and include a 2u rainbow spacebar :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Robosculpts on Sun, 15 December 2019, 09:11:28
No more little red spacebar? That was my favorite part.

It didn’t fit the spirit/aesthetic of Sinclair keyboards IMO.

No worries! I'll be in for the ergo set my dude.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Robosculpts on Sun, 15 December 2019, 09:12:03
Kinda wish the rainbow spacebars were available in the Space-kit though. They're a huge part of the set's identity for me and while I will totally pay for a kit I don't need just to get them, I wish I didn't have to.

Agreed - is there any chance you would reconsider and move those striped spacebars to the spacebar kit? And poasibly include a striped 2u one as well? ;) (I'd totally understand the latter wasn't feasible though.)

I’ll definitely rework the space kit and include a 2u rainbow spacebar :)

YES!!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Sun, 15 December 2019, 09:12:09
I’ll definitely rework the space kit and include a 2u rainbow spacebar :)

Awesome, thanks! I understand about the cost cutting, still can't wait ;)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 15 December 2019, 10:11:59
hello Biip,
In the Int Kit, the real sign of the apostrophe is missing and has been replaced by some kind of half English quotation mark (aka single quote). Could you correct it? Thx, and great sets!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Adelscott on Sun, 15 December 2019, 10:14:27
hello Biip, I have the impression that the real sign of the apostrophe has been replaced by a half English quotation mark. Could you correct that? Thx

+1

And there's an accent mistake for the É 2 key
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 15 December 2019, 10:15:55
+2 with love
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Hell-es on Sun, 15 December 2019, 12:17:09
Wonderful ... in for base, calc, extension and int ... maybe space ... now i need 7V in blue ...
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Ruwey on Sun, 15 December 2019, 12:33:07
Still miss the vim keys tho
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: dededecline on Sun, 15 December 2019, 13:04:56
ergo-kit
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some newer ergo boards (Boardwalk, Sol2) require two additional 1.5u mods, would you mind including those in this kit? This has especially been prevalent for KAT kits lately.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Loligagger on Sun, 15 December 2019, 13:25:26
ergo-kit
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I'd suggest either adding -/_ & +/= keys for the top row or replacing the del/graph keys for them. That and I think it would be better if the outer 1.5u legends were more "generic" (similar to the old ergo kit). It's going to be near impossible to cover the layouts used by everyone for ergo boards. For example I would need a 1.5u tilde, backslash, quotation mark, but no caps lock. So legends which don't correspond to regular keys makes more sense imo.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: dededecline on Sun, 15 December 2019, 13:32:06
ergo-kit
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I'd suggest either adding -/_ & +/= keys for the top row or replacing the del/graph keys for them. That and I think it would be better if the outer 1.5u legends were more "generic" (similar to the old ergo kit). It's going to be near impossible to cover the layouts used by everyone for ergo boards. For example I would need a 1.5u tilde, backslash, quotation mark, but no caps lock. So legends which don't correspond to regular keys makes more sense imo.

+1, making the ergo mods more generic would be helpful for layout compatibility. If not though, please don't remove del/graph  :D
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Rayndalf on Sun, 15 December 2019, 13:34:03
Boardwalk support would also be really nice (KAT Lich had a nice kit for it)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Robosculpts on Sun, 15 December 2019, 13:43:38
ergo-kit
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some newer ergo boards (Boardwalk, Sol2) require two additional 1.5u mods, would you mind including those in this kit? This has especially been prevalent for KAT kits lately.

Boardwalk support would also be really nice (KAT Lich had a nice kit for it)

ergo-kit
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I'd suggest either adding -/_ & +/= keys for the top row or replacing the del/graph keys for them. That and I think it would be better if the outer 1.5u legends were more "generic" (similar to the old ergo kit). It's going to be near impossible to cover the layouts used by everyone for ergo boards. For example I would need a 1.5u tilde, backslash, quotation mark, but no caps lock. So legends which don't correspond to regular keys makes more sense imo.

+1 for all this!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: farmisen on Sun, 15 December 2019, 15:22:18
This set is brilliant. I am going to write the Queen and beg her to make upas a Lord for his good work in general and KAM Wraith in particular.

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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: stoffelduss on Sun, 15 December 2019, 18:08:21
Cool! It's lacking a homing kit now but that's fine, with how it messes up the sublegends I guess this set won't be super popular with alternative layouts despite being uniform profile and I will just use the included non-homing keys and scramble the alphas :P

And uuh I don't know how this happened but you don't need to include the 1u backslash key 3 times in a uniform profile set haha

Also on the 1.25u and 1.5u MAG. TRUE VIDEO keys you can spell out MAGENTA, there's enough space I think.

I'm definitely interested, I think I'll get the base kit, also interested in the extension kit if the rainbow stripes and the extra coloured keys turn out great in the samples. Though personally, I think I would love it if there were spacebars (6.25 and 7) without rainbow, but with "break space". at least I'd like to see what that would look like, in a render or something. maybe that could be the spacebars in the regular base kit? or do you want them to be blank?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: psxndc on Sun, 15 December 2019, 20:28:38
Cool! It's lacking a homing kit now but that's fine, with how it messes up the sublegends I guess this set won't be super popular with alternative layouts despite being uniform profile and I will just use the included non-homing keys and scramble the alphas :P

Colemak user here and I figured I’ll just move caps around. I’ve accepted that getting accurate subs for an alternate layout is a lot to ask, especially on a uniform profile. But if I’m being honest, I wouldn’t mind a homing set of HUNT to at least give us homing keys for several layouts (Colemak, Dvorak, Workman etc).
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics + kits update)
Post by: biip on Mon, 16 December 2019, 03:21:59
update!

(https://i.imgur.com/Z38X2Fb.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/hH0D9DZ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/RBiZv4R.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Lu65RHZ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/CbDo8oA.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/KrD5kFX.png)



I'll have the retail prices very soon, but as mentioned the price of the base kit should not exceed $100.
The Group Buy will be around mid-January, I'll post the final date when it gets confirmed by all the vendors :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Senor Coconut on Mon, 16 December 2019, 03:31:55
Thx!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Loligagger on Mon, 16 December 2019, 03:40:12
update!

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I'll have the retail prices very soon, but as mentioned the price of the base kit should not exceed $100.
The Group Buy will be around mid-January, I'll post the final date when it gets confirmed by all the vendors :thumb:

I should've been more specific, for the -/_ & =/+ keys in the ergo kit I meant 1u size. I do still think the 1.5u keys should be more 'generic' (like the legends in the extension kit). Are the peek/out, code/in & rnd/merge caps in the ergo kit intended to be doubled up btw?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: danieljgrouse on Mon, 16 December 2019, 03:41:51
Awesome! I love this new breakdown. I’m a huge fan of trying to come up with inclusive kits that drive the price down for layouts that aren’t standard TKL but are still fairly common. With the shared MoQ of KAT and KAM making tonnes of smaller kits might make sense in some cases but they can make the prices balloon up really fast. Glad to see an affordable option for 40% and ISO users for once even though I don’t need those keys myself.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Mon, 16 December 2019, 04:21:35
update!

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I'll have the retail prices very soon, but as mentioned the price of the base kit should not exceed $100.
The Group Buy will be around mid-January, I'll post the final date when it gets confirmed by all the vendors :thumb:

I should've been more specific, for the -/_ & =/+ keys in the ergo kit I meant 1u size. I do still think the 1.5u keys should be more 'generic' (like the legends in the extension kit). Are the peek/out, code/in & rnd/merge caps in the ergo kit intended to be doubled up btw?

(https://i.imgur.com/FdHipec.png)

 :D
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Loligagger on Mon, 16 December 2019, 05:03:20
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 :D

Sorry to keep nitpicking, but what I mean is the eight 1.5u keys that were in the earlier ergo kit should all have generic or novelty legends. That way it's compatible with all layouts without needing to add extra 1.5u keys.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Mon, 16 December 2019, 05:17:45
Great updates, thanks again!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Ruwey on Mon, 16 December 2019, 06:10:53



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Love the nav-kit!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics + kits update)
Post by: Insanto on Mon, 16 December 2019, 06:17:27
update!

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I'll have the retail prices very soon, but as mentioned the price of the base kit should not exceed $100.
The Group Buy will be around mid-January, I'll post the final date when it gets confirmed by all the vendors :thumb:

Could you add the tertiary characters to the int 7,8,9,0, < and ß keys? They're not needed a lot but are important.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Robosculpts on Mon, 16 December 2019, 06:23:47

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 :D

Coming through with a sweet looking ergo set! Hella getting this.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: fouras on Mon, 16 December 2019, 08:05:15
I was a little worried after the first set of samples, but the new ones look incredible, even better than the renders.

Thoughts on adding back raise and lower keys for ortho? There's not really a good substitute for them.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Mon, 16 December 2019, 08:54:13
Thoughts on adding back raise and lower keys for ortho? There's not really a good substitute for them.

Ha, didn't notice that... That would be great! Other keys are most probably not a problem due to flat profile.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: phunktional on Mon, 16 December 2019, 09:17:57
Thoughts on adding back raise and lower keys for ortho? There's not really a good substitute for them.
Please!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: diseeease on Mon, 16 December 2019, 09:19:30
I don't post here much, but I just had to look up my password to say that: HELL YES, I am so in for this kit.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Adelscott on Mon, 16 December 2019, 12:04:30
I don't know if I should say it, it's so obvious, but biip is the best. Period.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: psxndc on Mon, 16 December 2019, 12:16:21
I don't know if I should say it, it's so obvious, but biip is the best. Period.

I want to second this. I always feel like Biip listens to the community and tries really hard to give us what's requested. Thank you, Biip!

Biip, can you update the first post though to reflect the kits as-of-today? Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: stoffelduss on Mon, 16 December 2019, 17:37:04
If this goes to GB with these kits, who from Europe wants to share keys from the nav kit? I only want homing N and T, so Dvorak users and users of HHKB arrows, WASD arrows and IJKL/HJKL arrows can apply :P
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Mon, 16 December 2019, 19:24:48
If this goes to GB with these kits, who from Europe wants to share keys from the nav kit? I only want homing N and T, so Dvorak users and users of HHKB arrows, WASD arrows and IJKL/HJKL arrows can apply
Hey, I would like the IJKL arrows please ;)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics + kits update)
Post by: nicolaidavies on Tue, 17 December 2019, 02:24:07
update!

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I'll have the retail prices very soon, but as mentioned the price of the base kit should not exceed $100.
The Group Buy will be around mid-January, I'll post the final date when it gets confirmed by all the vendors :thumb:

Any chance of an extra 'b' key in the spacebars kit for Alice boards?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics + kits update)
Post by: stoffelduss on Tue, 17 December 2019, 02:35:05
Any chance of an extra 'b' key in the spacebars kit for Alice boards?
😠😠😠😠
people using both hands for b... just choose one ffs
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: danieljgrouse on Tue, 17 December 2019, 02:36:59
I think most people do choose one, but you still need a cap for the other key and for most people a second B is the most aesthetically acceptable option.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Tue, 17 December 2019, 02:38:15

people using both hands for b... just choose one ffs

I wonder if people actually do that or if that's just an Alice meme. I also think one of the keys could be put to a much bettet use ;)

However, I also think there is absolutely no need for such strong language. Different people have very different preferences and we should all accept that.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Tue, 17 December 2019, 02:41:00
update!

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I'll have the retail prices very soon, but as mentioned the price of the base kit should not exceed $100.
The Group Buy will be around mid-January, I'll post the final date when it gets confirmed by all the vendors :thumb:

Any chance of an extra 'b' key in the spacebars kit for Alice boards?

Nope sorry, I want to lower the cost of the kit(s) and IMO a second B isn't essential.

update!

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I'll have the retail prices very soon, but as mentioned the price of the base kit should not exceed $100.
The Group Buy will be around mid-January, I'll post the final date when it gets confirmed by all the vendors :thumb:

Could you add the tertiary characters to the int 7,8,9,0, < and ß keys? They're not needed a lot but are important.

Those legends would have to be placed on top-right and this is the current location of the original functions of the ZX Spectrum, resulting in a potential visual conflict IMO.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics + kits update)
Post by: nicolaidavies on Tue, 17 December 2019, 04:39:59
Any chance of an extra 'b' key in the spacebars kit for Alice boards?
😠😠😠😠
people using both hands for b... just choose one ffs

It's purely for aesthetics ;)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: danieljgrouse on Tue, 17 December 2019, 05:20:25
Luckily KAM is a flat profile and you should have plenty of 1u keys left over to put there in place of the extra B. It won't look perfect, but let's be honest, having two Bs on your keyboard doesn't really look perfect in the first place.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 17 December 2019, 06:42:34
I think it would help to keep 40s in base, but put ortho coverage in ergo. That means all sorts of ortho layouts are covered with that one, including boardwalk.

Still very much on the fence on this one. I love the idea and look so far, but not a big fan of uniform proflies. This will depend on the price point for me.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 17 December 2019, 06:44:01
Luckily KAM is a flat profile and you should have plenty of 1u keys left over to put there in place of the extra B. It won't look perfect, but let's be honest, having two Bs on your keyboard doesn't really look perfect in the first place.

It sure doesn't, but that's the meme people have grown used to.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: shensmobile on Tue, 17 December 2019, 11:57:30
Hey biip,

Love the kits!  I only have one comment to add.  For the Ergo kit, is there any chance to get some blanks, or at least 2x2u blank spacebars?  I know for Boardrun/Boardwalk users, those 2u spacebars would be incredibly handy.  The text on the spacebar is awesome but since Boardwalks use horizontal spacebars, the text would look out of place.  It's nice that there are 2x2u spacebars in the spacebar kit but it would be awesome to have a proper set of spacebars for us Boardwalkers and Boardrunners :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics + kits update)
Post by: andtar2 on Tue, 17 December 2019, 15:39:26

intl-kit (basically NorDeUkFr)
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I think there is one key missing in Intl-kit: "- _" (it was in the original kit design).

There is also a "¨ >" that I think supposed to be "¨ ^"
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Rayndalf on Tue, 17 December 2019, 15:49:35
Hey biip,

Love the kits!  I only have one comment to add.  For the Ergo kit, is there any chance to get some blanks, or at least 2x2u blank spacebars?  I know for Boardrun/Boardwalk users, those 2u spacebars would be incredibly handy.  The text on the spacebar is awesome but since Boardwalks use horizontal spacebars, the text would look out of place.  It's nice that there are 2x2u spacebars in the spacebar kit but it would be awesome to have a proper set of spacebars for us Boardwalkers and Boardrunners :)
+1
I'd guess close to a third of ergo kits sold recently end up on boardwalks
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Wed, 18 December 2019, 07:46:23
update

(https://i.imgur.com/8gnjbCy.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/7qEBDfB.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Senor Coconut on Wed, 18 December 2019, 16:14:36
 :llama:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: geekit on Wed, 18 December 2019, 21:54:27
Nice but at the same time I somehow miss the shiny KAM LOL.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Robosculpts on Wed, 18 December 2019, 22:13:25
Thoughts on adding back raise and lower keys for ortho? There's not really a good substitute for them.

Please this. Was thinking about using the white w/ the up arrow and Yellow w/ the down arrow but you originally had the lower and raise keys in the first ortho kit. Those keys should be included in the ergo set as well. Please.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: scoopbb on Wed, 18 December 2019, 23:07:23
Thoughts on adding back raise and lower keys for ortho? There's not really a good substitute for them.

Please this. Was thinking about using the white w/ the up arrow and Yellow w/ the down arrow but you originally had the lower and raise keys in the first ortho kit. Those keys should be included in the ergo set as well. Please.

in base at least please
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 19 December 2019, 02:26:11
Thoughts on adding back raise and lower keys for ortho? There's not really a good substitute for them.

Please this. Was thinking about using the white w/ the up arrow and Yellow w/ the down arrow but you originally had the lower and raise keys in the first ortho kit. Those keys should be included in the ergo set as well. Please.

Then I'd probably remove the 2x blank 1U.

(https://i.imgur.com/Q7xF7Zl.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: nicolaidavies on Thu, 19 December 2019, 02:57:46
Thoughts on adding back raise and lower keys for ortho? There's not really a good substitute for them.

Please this. Was thinking about using the white w/ the up arrow and Yellow w/ the down arrow but you originally had the lower and raise keys in the first ortho kit. Those keys should be included in the ergo set as well. Please.

Then I'd probably remove the 2x blank 1U.

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Could you then add a blank 1U to the spacebar kit for Alice support?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Thu, 19 December 2019, 03:22:55
Then I'd probably remove the 2x blank 1U.

Well that would work for me, but it would be selfish - the 2x 1u keys are needed for grid layout and split ortho boards. Perhaps move those keys to the Spacebar kit?

Or just keep the kits as they are now. For me the WHITE/YELLOW keys with up/down arrows are good for lower/raise.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: jazzjarred on Thu, 19 December 2019, 03:28:48
yeah the 2x blank 1u's are needed for full grid ortho, if taken away from the base they would have to be in the spacebar kit.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: fouras on Thu, 19 December 2019, 03:53:02
Thoughts on adding back raise and lower keys for ortho? There's not really a good substitute for them.

Please this. Was thinking about using the white w/ the up arrow and Yellow w/ the down arrow but you originally had the lower and raise keys in the first ortho kit. Those keys should be included in the ergo set as well. Please.

Then I'd probably remove the 2x blank 1U.

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What about removing a 1u control "Rnd/Merge" and a 1u function "Extend Mode" instead? I can't think of a board that uses two of either of those.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 19 December 2019, 04:07:03
2x blanks or Lower/Raise.
One or the other  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Loligagger on Thu, 19 December 2019, 04:30:51
Just thinking out loud with a low effort shoop.

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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 19 December 2019, 04:40:14
Just thinking out loud with a low effort shoop.

(Attachment Link)

I'd be ok to get rid of the extra 1.5 mods if that lower the cost.
Also, your layout creates duplicates though.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 19 December 2019, 05:18:35
(https://i.imgur.com/Q7xF7Zl.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/e7KQaEC.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZYKrl2h.png)

would that work?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: audiosl4ve on Thu, 19 December 2019, 05:25:32
those kits are awesome. Love base kit choices  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 19 December 2019, 05:26:34
Also planing to do deskmats…

(https://i.imgur.com/6GaYrVL.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: jazzjarred on Thu, 19 December 2019, 05:27:11
I'm ok because I'm in for many kits, but for ortho is 2u space really more popular than grid 2x 1u?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: audiosl4ve on Thu, 19 December 2019, 05:27:54
I'm ok because I'm in for many kits, but for ortho is 2u space really more popular than grid 2x 1u?

i think it is honestly
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Robosculpts on Thu, 19 December 2019, 05:32:33
That's awesome biip. Thank you kindly!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 19 December 2019, 05:33:30
I'm ok because I'm in for many kits, but for ortho is 2u space really more popular than grid 2x 1u?

I think so ;)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Thu, 19 December 2019, 05:38:18
Also planing to do deskmats…

Sweet! Definitely in for a deskmat as well.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: jazzjarred on Thu, 19 December 2019, 05:50:50
I'm happy with these kits now as a planck / 40s user. Also in for a deskmat :)
Title: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: phunktional on Thu, 19 December 2019, 06:08:33
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would that work?
Planck with grid layout would require 3 kits.

Edit: Never mind, I see lower/raise is also in the base kit.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: stoffelduss on Thu, 19 December 2019, 06:39:05
Definitely not a fan of removing the blanks for explicitly "raise" and "lower" labelled keys. I think the ortho users here shot themselves in the foot a bit, just using some other mod key for raise/lower would have been the far superior choice over making this more expensive for grid users. The magenta/true vid and green/inv vid keys for example would have been perfectly fine choices of keys there, and I don't see the necessity of explicit lower/raise keys when not even ctrl can be found in this set.

If the raise/lower keys are kept, I would like to mention that I don't like the arrow sublegend on them. One reason for that being that raise is often placed right next to real arrows, which use the same symbol. Also, the inspiration is very light on symbols as legends, only using them for the arrows.
Choosing different sublegends from the inspiration, I'd say red 'over' for raise and red 'inverse' for lower would look cool. I'd also prefer "raise mode" and "lower mode", like extend mode, or simply white centered raise and lower on its own like print etc currently look.

To talk about something else (not really, it's still legends lol), as someone who would probably use this on a 65% or something of similar size, I wish I would get more of the special legends from the inspiration. In fact, I don't understand why there must be a 1:1 relation between "real" legends like control and their "translation" in this keyset, meaning there are 2 peek/out keys of each size that stand for the control keys. Does including duplicates somehow make the production cheaper?
I think the current solution is very not-fish-not-meat, where you're clearly trying to put as many accurate legends in their correct positions which I think is good, but where you're also doing stuff like defining peek as the accurate legend for control which I find a bit arbitrary. The reason I don't like it is because it results in this out/in, in/something/out pattern. I think legends that, on a modern keyboard, don't mean anything shouldn't be repeated.
I think a good solution would be to instead introduce all the modern bottom row legends as the top legend, so that a set of 1.25u bottom row mods would read something like control/code/alt/break space/alt graph./code/control, and to then use more non-repeated special sublegends for the red text below that.

Sorry for writing so much critical feedback, but it was stuff I wanted to mention. Hope you consider it!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: fouras on Thu, 19 December 2019, 06:56:46
Definitely not a fan of removing the blanks for explicitly "raise" and "lower" labelled keys. I think the ortho users here shot themselves in the foot a bit, just using some other mod key for raise/lower would have been the far superior choice over making this more expensive for grid users. The magenta/true vid and green/inv vid keys for example would have been perfectly fine choices of keys there, and I don't see the necessity of explicit lower/raise keys when not even ctrl can be found in this set.

I'd rather pay a little more to get everything I want than not be able to get it at all.

If the raise/lower keys are kept, I would like to mention that I don't like the arrow sublegend on them. One reason for that being that raise is often placed right next to real arrows, which use the same symbol. Also, the inspiration is very light on symbols as legends, only using them for the arrows.
Choosing different sublegends from the inspiration, I'd say red 'over' for raise and red 'inverse' for lower would look cool. I'd also prefer "raise mode" and "lower mode", like extend mode, or simply white centered raise and lower on its own like print etc currently look.

I agree with this though. Something different than the arrow sublegends would be nice.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 19 December 2019, 07:27:02
Finally went for the same look as print, lock & pause.

(https://i.imgur.com/vATvirU.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/6jki6iW.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Robosculpts on Thu, 19 December 2019, 07:45:04
The blanks were not removed though.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 19 December 2019, 07:49:41
The blanks were not removed though.

There are 2 in the space kit :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: stoffelduss on Thu, 19 December 2019, 07:58:23
The blanks were not removed though.
... you don't actually need language to be this level of explicit... but here you go: removed from the base kit, added to the spacebar kit. moved from the base kit to the spacebar kit.

in the next sentence I said that this change makes this set more expensive for ortho grid users. why? because they have to buy the spacebar kit, to which the 2 blanks were added when they were removed from the base kit.

lol sorry for this!

oh by the way, I just noticed that the base kit includes the 1u extend mode key twice. maybe we can trade one of those for 1 or 2 1u blanks? grid ortho isn't _that_ niche

edit: the 1.5u edit/def fn key is also included twice, though it could be that one of those was meant to be 1.75u. anyway, I see a lot of ways to squeeze another 1u blank in there
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 19 December 2019, 08:02:43
oh by the way, I just noticed that the base kit includes the 1u extend mode key twice. maybe we can trade one of those for 1 or 2 1u blanks? grid ortho isn't _that_ niche

whoops! Will fix this…
I'm still trying to find the best solution about these lower/raise keys…
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Robosculpts on Thu, 19 December 2019, 08:07:59
The blanks were not removed though.
... you don't actually need language to be this level of explicit... but here you go: removed from the base kit, added to the spacebar kit. moved from the base kit to the spacebar kit.

in the next sentence I said that this change makes this set more expensive for ortho grid users. why? because they have to buy the spacebar kit, to which the 2 blanks were added when they were removed from the base kit.

lol sorry for this!

oh by the way, I just noticed that the base kit includes the 1u extend mode key twice. maybe we can trade one of those for 1 or 2 1u blanks? grid ortho isn't _that_ niche

edit: the 1.5u edit/def fn key is also included twice, though it could be that one of those was meant to be 1.75u. anyway, I see a lot of ways to squeeze another 1u blank in there
My bad dude.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: stoffelduss on Thu, 19 December 2019, 08:11:28
My bad dude.
no problem, sorry for the salty reply!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Robosculpts on Thu, 19 December 2019, 08:12:30
My bad dude.
no problem, sorry for the salty reply!
No worries I should have read more
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Thu, 19 December 2019, 08:17:20
whoops! Will fix this…
I'm still trying to find the best solution about these lower/raise keys…

Thank you for being so patient with us :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: biip on Thu, 19 December 2019, 08:20:39
and another update

(https://i.imgur.com/Ng9N0cR.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/SFKUwAp.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/K2hfj0W.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Kawamashi on Thu, 19 December 2019, 08:40:07
I think it would help to keep 40s in base, but put ortho coverage in ergo. That means all sorts of ortho layouts are covered with that one, including boardwalk.

I also think the ortho kit would better go with the ergo kit.

I think it would be really nice to add a right arrow with another color in the extension kit. It’s too bad the right arrow is the only one without an upper legend. With it, it would be possible to have a really good looking arrow cluster / nav cluster !
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Thu, 19 December 2019, 08:51:14
I also think the ortho kit would better go with the ergo kit.

I'd very much prefer keeping ortho in base. It's just a few keys (spaces, a few 1u mods and now lower/raise) that it shouldn't matter to the base price too much.

I mean, I should be happy to get otrho for cheaper (I assume ergo will be cheaper than base). But I actually want 60% coverage as well which means I would have to get ergo and base, and that would be significantly more expensive...
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: ossetepo on Thu, 19 December 2019, 08:56:21
This set has steadily moved my needle from "not interested" to "must buy". 
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: harlekein on Thu, 19 December 2019, 09:06:02
I also think the ortho kit would better go with the ergo kit.

I'd very much prefer keeping ortho in base. It's just a few keys (spaces, a few 1u mods and now lower/raise) that it shouldn't matter to the base price too much.

That's not what I'm concerned with. It's just that there's more overlap between ortho and ergo when you look at ortho split thumb clusters or boardwalk.

As it is, base offers nothing in that regard. The kit could just be named ortho and it would be apt, it would literally cover all things ortho.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: phunktional on Thu, 19 December 2019, 09:23:26
and another update

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As a planck grid user, I am very happy with these kits! Thanks for listening to our feedback.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: piit79 on Thu, 19 December 2019, 10:07:20


That's not what I'm concerned with. It's just that there's more overlap between ortho and ergo when you look at ortho split thumb clusters or boardwalk.

I do agree ortho fits in better with ergo than base. I'm just saying that it suits me better to have it in the base - if it was in ergo I'd probably have to skip base (or spend $200 instead of $130) which would be a shame.

Of course, ideally there would be separate alphas, mods, 40%, ortho and ergo kits, but that turns out to be quite a bit more expensive per key due to the added labour required (I assume).
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: psxndc on Thu, 19 December 2019, 10:18:45
I'm ok because I'm in for many kits, but for ortho is 2u space really more popular than grid 2x 1u?

i think it is honestly
Pretty much every keeb.io split ortho board supports two 2U space bars: Iris, Nyquist, Viterbi and older Levinsons. Iris at least is pretty darn popular.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: msting on Thu, 19 December 2019, 10:55:51
and another update

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Ergo got a rainbow! Ergo got a rainbow! 

(takes so little to excite me these days)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: InvidiousIgnoramus on Thu, 19 December 2019, 12:11:12
It's still happening? Yay!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 19 December 2019, 13:34:15
Also planing to do deskmats…

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I want this
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Loligagger on Thu, 19 December 2019, 14:01:31
Just thinking out loud with a low effort shoop.

(Attachment Link)

I'd be ok to get rid of the extra 1.5 mods if that lower the cost.
Also, your layout creates duplicates though.

Yea I noticed afterwards. The intent was to use the generic legends either from the earlier (https://i.imgur.com/FdHipec.png) ergodox kit or the first one here (https://i.imgur.com/9PnLq81.jpg) for the horizontal 1.5u keys. That way there are only 8 of them but it can cover any layout.
Also, could the two blank keys in the ergo kit become curly brace/square bracket keys?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: dvorcol on Thu, 19 December 2019, 14:52:31
Please consider adding "A" to the Homing kit to support the Carpalx QGMLWY layout.

(https://i.imgur.com/1gaqEym.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Kawamashi on Fri, 20 December 2019, 16:56:38
Also, could the two blank keys in the ergo kit become curly brace/square bracket keys?

Please keep ’em blanks !
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: Robosculpts on Fri, 03 January 2020, 12:19:52
Is this going to GB before or after GMK Bushido?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (samples pics)
Post by: MdotMaxson on Sat, 04 January 2020, 07:31:41
If have to say I also agree most ergo users or at least a good portion will be on boardwalk and I have twice now had the problem of no blank 2Us in ergo sets (GMK Oblivion R2 which you couldn’t even get 2 blank 2Us buying the spacebars kit, and space cadet assembly as well) and the text going in the wrong direction kills it for me.

Also I completely agree with no need for raise and lower for ortho. I mean as a previous ortho user I’d have to say you are already accustomed to not having perfect legends and especially since there are multiple up and down arrow keys already included.... you guys really gonna throw a fit when there are two up arrow keys that are different and two down arrow keys that are different over the text raise and lower ? I’d have to say my raise and lower keys have never not been novelties to be honest. But whatever doesn’t affect me I guess cause I’m buying ergo, spacebars, extension, arrows so I’ll have more than enough keys but sucks for the people who have to buy spacebars to get 2 blanks just cause a few ortho users need perfect legends on a keyboard that was almost designed for abstract legends.

Also. I always thought it went without saying biip is by far the dominant designer out of all the top designers in this little industry. I’m convinced he is the only one who does an interest check and accepts feedback. Every other top name designer it’s like why pretend.... call it a hype generator because we all know you think your kits were designed perfect and you likely don’t even read the comments for feedback... only looking for praise to fan the ego.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (New kits and pricing!)
Post by: biip on Mon, 06 January 2020, 02:42:56
Just updated the initial thead :)
GB should start at the end of the month (still waiting for renders atm)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (New kits and pricing!)
Post by: danieljgrouse on Mon, 06 January 2020, 02:57:54
I think the prices for the Ergo kit and the Extensions kit might be swapped? Seems strange that the huge Ergo kit would be $70 but Extension $110
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (New kits and pricing!)
Post by: Hell-es on Mon, 06 January 2020, 03:02:37
Yeah - extensions seem a little high ... at least ... i hope so
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (New kits and pricing!)
Post by: biip on Mon, 06 January 2020, 03:13:11
I think the prices for the Ergo kit and the Extensions kit might be swapped? Seems strange that the huge Ergo kit would be $70 but Extension $110

Whoops! Fixed!
Extension is $32 :p
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (New kits and pricing!)
Post by: dmatx1 on Mon, 06 January 2020, 03:23:12
Will you use proxies? Do you have an estimated ship date?

Thanks for making this kit matte. I would have been bought as shiny too, but matte is much better, I can't wait to get it.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (New kits and pricing!)
Post by: biip on Mon, 06 January 2020, 03:26:10
Will you use proxies? Do you have an estimated ship date?

Thanks for making this kit matte. I would have been bought as shiny too, but matte is much better, I can't wait to get it.

Novelkeys, Candykeys, Zfrontier, and Dailyclack.
No shipping date yet.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (New kits and pricing!)
Post by: raptorzoz on Mon, 06 January 2020, 04:45:41
Will you use proxies? Do you have an estimated ship date?

Thanks for making this kit matte. I would have been bought as shiny too, but matte is much better, I can't wait to get it.

Novelkeys, Candykeys, Zfrontier, and Dailyclack.
No shipping date yet.

Any euro prices? Also what time frame are we looking at? Will it run into February?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (New kits and pricing!)
Post by: MdotMaxson on Mon, 06 January 2020, 04:47:23
My last input is I’m really going to miss the kit that had all red nav keys. RIP the all red dye subbs
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (New kits and pricing!)
Post by: stoffelduss on Mon, 06 January 2020, 05:02:21
Wait are the 2u blanks in the ergo kit not convex? I'd prefer them convex! In fact I think all the 2u keys in that kit could use being convex, or would anyone mind convex thumb keys?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (New kits and pricing!)
Post by: piit79 on Mon, 06 January 2020, 05:44:43
Novelkeys, Candykeys, Zfrontier, and Dailyclack.
No shipping date yet.

Very much hoping CandyKeys pricing is going to be reasonable. I like the shop but it seems to be generally more expensive than MyKeyboard.

Can't wait nonetheless!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (New kits and pricing!)
Post by: vilagefool on Mon, 06 January 2020, 09:07:39
Interesting that new molds have to be made for the matte finish, so it's not just different material?  (still gonna buy and rock the set)

Hopefully, this will lead to cheaper KAM matte sets in the future?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (New kits and pricing!)
Post by: biip on Mon, 06 January 2020, 09:15:32
Hopefully, this will lead to cheaper KAM matte sets in the future?

Indeed. This set is co-financing new molds  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: biip on Mon, 06 January 2020, 10:36:53
Group Buy is scheduled for January 27th, until February 28th.

Vendors:

Thank you all for the support!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: Robosculpts on Mon, 06 January 2020, 12:40:50
$70 ergo set is my favorite thing in 2020 so far. Thank you biip!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (New kits and pricing!)
Post by: biip on Tue, 07 January 2020, 01:47:12
Novelkeys, Candykeys, Zfrontier, and Dailyclack.
No shipping date yet.

Very much hoping CandyKeys pricing is going to be reasonable. I like the shop but it seems to be generally more expensive than MyKeyboard.

Can't wait nonetheless!

Base kit estimated price (including tax.): 93€
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: dmatx1 on Tue, 07 January 2020, 02:12:43
Base kit estimated price (including tax.): 93€
Are you sure in this number? It would be cheaper with VAT than US price without taxes.

KAT Milkshake prices were reasonable, so I'm not afraid of EU pricing.

Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (New kits and pricing!)
Post by: raptorzoz on Tue, 07 January 2020, 02:40:19
Novelkeys, Candykeys, Zfrontier, and Dailyclack.
No shipping date yet.

Very much hoping CandyKeys pricing is going to be reasonable. I like the shop but it seems to be generally more expensive than MyKeyboard.

Can't wait nonetheless!

Base kit estimated price (including tax.): 93€

Thats an unbelievably good price point, I'm tempted to just buy all the sets at this point  :D
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: stoffelduss on Tue, 07 January 2020, 03:45:39
Oh okay for 93€ I'm in for sure!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: alphabirth on Tue, 07 January 2020, 04:36:51
I've been waiting for this--so stoked! In for the base kit and calc kit.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: mgsickler on Tue, 07 January 2020, 07:08:17
Are you sure in this number? It would be cheaper with VAT than US price without taxes.

KAT Milkshake prices were reasonable, so I'm not afraid of EU pricing.

Just as a heads up, those prices aren't NovelKeys pricing. I think they are zF's. We will have our pricing to biip today.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: Robosculpts on Tue, 07 January 2020, 07:16:52
Are you sure in this number? It would be cheaper with VAT than US price without taxes.

KAT Milkshake prices were reasonable, so I'm not afraid of EU pricing.

Just as a heads up, those prices aren't NovelKeys pricing. I think they are zF's. We will have our pricing to biip today.

Now I'm scared.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: biip on Tue, 07 January 2020, 07:20:09
Are you sure in this number? It would be cheaper with VAT than US price without taxes.

KAT Milkshake prices were reasonable, so I'm not afraid of EU pricing.

Just as a heads up, those prices aren't NovelKeys pricing. I think they are zF's. We will have our pricing to biip today.

Now I'm scared.

base$95.00
calc$16.00
ergo$65.00
extension$30.00
intl$35.00
nav$11.00
space$22.00
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: rockydbull on Tue, 07 January 2020, 07:41:10
Are you sure in this number? It would be cheaper with VAT than US price without taxes.

KAT Milkshake prices were reasonable, so I'm not afraid of EU pricing.

Just as a heads up, those prices aren't NovelKeys pricing. I think they are zF's. We will have our pricing to biip today.

These prices are very much in line (good) with what I would expect from a pbt keycap groupbuy, but I see this includes co-financing of new molds. What kind of pricing is it without the co-financing (say base for example)?

Now I'm scared.

base$95.00
calc$16.00
ergo$65.00
extension$30.00
intl$35.00
nav$11.00
space$22.00
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: InvidiousIgnoramus on Tue, 07 January 2020, 07:45:12
Aww, people really wanna ditch the shiny molds? I was hoping to have a set or two in those.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: biip on Tue, 07 January 2020, 07:49:29
Aww, people really wanna ditch the shiny molds? I was hoping to have a set or two in those.

I chose matte finish due to readability issue.
The shiny finish made the legends difficult to read and didn't look good.
Hope you understand my choice :)

The default (shiny) finish remains interesting though! But for other sets… :p
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: dmatx1 on Tue, 07 January 2020, 07:54:11
Are you sure in this number? It would be cheaper with VAT than US price without taxes.

KAT Milkshake prices were reasonable, so I'm not afraid of EU pricing.

Just as a heads up, those prices aren't NovelKeys pricing. I think they are zF's. We will have our pricing to biip today.

Now I'm scared.

base$95.00
calc$16.00
ergo$65.00
extension$30.00
intl$35.00
nav$11.00
space$22.00

 :eek:

I think this will be the first time that I'll buy two base kits. I hope that Keyreative will be able to produce all running and soon-to-be-running KAT/KAM GBs without significant delays.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: biip on Tue, 07 January 2020, 08:03:57
Are you sure in this number? It would be cheaper with VAT than US price without taxes.

KAT Milkshake prices were reasonable, so I'm not afraid of EU pricing.

Just as a heads up, those prices aren't NovelKeys pricing. I think they are zF's. We will have our pricing to biip today.

Now I'm scared.

base$95.00
calc$16.00
ergo$65.00
extension$30.00
intl$35.00
nav$11.00
space$22.00

 :eek:

I think this will be the first time that I'll buy two base kits. I hope that Keyreative will be able to produce all running and soon-to-be-running KAT/KAM GBs without significant delays.

That's tough to predict.
Noone did expect that we will sell 6k KAT Milkshake kits. That's why it's getting delayed.
Keep also in mind that there are final samples approval phase and sometimes adjustment needs to be done :)

I rather deliver a delayed perfect product than something crappy on time :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: Robosculpts on Tue, 07 January 2020, 08:35:30
Haha $65! Even better!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: geekit on Tue, 07 January 2020, 08:50:54
PBT matte is always nice, but I somehow miss the shiny version ;D
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: Aevyn on Tue, 07 January 2020, 10:10:05
Is it possible to make the 2.75 and 2u spacebar keys into 2.75c and 2c ?

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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: vilagefool on Tue, 07 January 2020, 12:59:14
I'd love to pick up a shiny kit just for display, but for actual use, I'm looking forward to the matte finish.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: piit79 on Tue, 07 January 2020, 13:06:24
Is it possible to make the 2.75 and 2u spacebar keys into 2.75c and 2c ?

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The 2u space is already convex as far as I can see. Did you mean 2.25u and 2.75u? I second that, would be cool to have convex spacebars for split boards.

However, that would mean having to make two more moulds, which might not be feasible. It would probably increase the spacebar kit price significantly...
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: geekit on Tue, 07 January 2020, 19:57:23
I'd love to pick up a shiny kit just for display, but for actual use, I'm looking forward to the matte finish.

Majority of my keycaps are PBT matte (3 out of 4), so I'm interested on how shiny PBT feels like. And yeah i'm interested in uniform, glossy/shiny finish :)

But this one is probably instabuy for me anyway.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: mr.squishy on Sat, 11 January 2020, 06:37:39
I'm excited for this one.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: Sdhebert on Sun, 12 January 2020, 12:31:09
Looking forward to this one!

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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: bukowski on Sun, 12 January 2020, 13:42:04
great work. and as always: intel kit means i am in <3
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: jorj_mk on Sun, 12 January 2020, 20:09:29
Sad to see candykeys as the EU vendor, will probably buy anyway but oh well


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: DrKlaw on Mon, 13 January 2020, 22:29:56
Great design! I want!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: radam on Mon, 13 January 2020, 23:01:28
does a 2u spacebar exist with the "space break" text? or is the planck render old?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: piit79 on Tue, 14 January 2020, 00:42:55
Sad to see candykeys as the EU vendor, will probably buy anyway but oh well


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Why is that? Their service seems to be pretty good from my experience.
Title: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: DrKlaw on Tue, 14 January 2020, 00:54:38
EDIT: Never mind, my brain glitched. I can’t use the ergo kit anyway.

Can you consider including the missing ~ [ and ] keys from the ergo set? It sucks to have to spend $30 extra for the base kit just to get the complete set of alphas.


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (New kits and pricing!)
Post by: biip on Tue, 14 January 2020, 02:34:49
Wait are the 2u blanks in the ergo kit not convex? I'd prefer them convex! In fact I think all the 2u keys in that kit could use being convex, or would anyone mind convex thumb keys?

My bad, these 2 2U blanks will be convex :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: Zeelobby on Tue, 14 January 2020, 12:59:01
Hmmm, trying to figure this out. So is the alpha set alone enough for an ortho 60/65?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: biip on Tue, 14 January 2020, 13:00:44
Hmmm, trying to figure this out. So is the alpha set alone enough for an ortho 60/65?

Yes it should :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: stoffelduss on Tue, 14 January 2020, 14:13:34
Hmmm, trying to figure this out. So is the alpha set alone enough for an ortho 60/65?
That kind of depends on what an ortho 65 is supposed to be I would say?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: Zeelobby on Tue, 14 January 2020, 14:32:22
Hmmm, trying to figure this out. So is the alpha set alone enough for an ortho 60/65?
That kind of depends on what an ortho 65 is supposed to be I would say?

I think OP is right. I think everything is pretty much there. I'm actually now considering an ortho75. Which should be doable with the alpha and calc.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: biip on Wed, 15 January 2020, 02:57:51
Hmmm, trying to figure this out. So is the alpha set alone enough for an ortho 60/65?
That kind of depends on what an ortho 65 is supposed to be I would say?

You could even cover an XD75 layout with the base kit :)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: Jtav27 on Thu, 16 January 2020, 05:23:24
This is a 'buy' for me!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: MdotMaxson on Thu, 16 January 2020, 08:58:19
Btw Biip, why did you drop the all red bag keys back to normal colored nab keys
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: MdotMaxson on Thu, 16 January 2020, 09:13:18
Hmmm, trying to figure this out. So is the alpha set alone enough for an ortho 60/65?
That kind of depends on what an ortho 65 is supposed to be I would say?

You could even cover an XD75 layout with the base kit :)

Really if you go base over ergo, at least from a boardwalk user perspective, the only thing you miss out on are the vertical 1.5u keys. Sone people use them though and some do all 1us in the middle column. I’m kinda torn. But this might be might be my last GB so might as well buy them all.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: raptorzoz on Fri, 17 January 2020, 01:16:40
Any updates on EU pricing?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: piit79 on Fri, 17 January 2020, 01:48:27
Any updates on EU pricing?

Base kit estimated price (including tax.): 93€

Edit - I just realized you might have seen that and are asking about an update. Sorry.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: biip on Fri, 17 January 2020, 02:17:58
Any updates on EU pricing?

base93.00 €
calc20.00 €
ergo58.00 €
extension34.00 €
intl38.00 €
nav19.00 €
space23.00 €
Title: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: myyrddraal on Fri, 17 January 2020, 05:26:26
Any updates on EU pricing?

base93.00 €
calc20.00 €
ergo58.00 €
extension34.00 €
intl38.00 €
nav19.00 €
space23.00 €
Pricing is good. But it will be still heavy hit on my wallet when I order everything "I need" :-)


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: rappingiraffe on Fri, 17 January 2020, 06:09:00
Btw Biip, why did you drop the all red bag keys back to normal colored nab keys
I'm guessing it didn't fit the aesthetic for the set? But yeah I miss the red nav keys
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: piit79 on Sat, 18 January 2020, 04:36:59
Pricing is good. But it will be still heavy hit on my wallet when K order everything "I need" :-)

I know what you mean! I'm really glad there's no novelties kit - I'm already getting the spacebars for the rainbow. But tbh this whole set is full of novelty legends :-)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: piit79 on Sat, 18 January 2020, 04:39:19
Btw Biip, why did you drop the all red bag keys back to normal colored nab keys
I'm guessing it didn't fit the aesthetic for the set? But yeah I miss the red nav keys
I understand red is a likeable accent colour, but honestly, this set has such a strong theme that it really doesn't fit in.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: danieljgrouse on Sat, 18 January 2020, 05:07:01
Yeah, I’m kinda glad the red accents got dropped. They looked great and I’d feel compelled to pick them up and then they’d sit a in a box unused because they didn’t really fit the set and would only detract from the cohesive theme and aesthetic.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: MdotMaxson on Sat, 18 January 2020, 14:47:50
Btw Biip, why did you drop the all red bag keys back to normal colored nab keys
I'm guessing it didn't fit the aesthetic for the set? But yeah I miss the red nav keys
I understand red is a likeable accent colour, but honestly, this set has such a strong theme that it really doesn't fit in.

Well biip chose not to answer but your explanation makes sense so I’ll assume that is why
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: biip on Sat, 18 January 2020, 14:57:13
Btw Biip, why did you drop the all red bag keys back to normal colored nab keys
I'm guessing it didn't fit the aesthetic for the set? But yeah I miss the red nav keys
I understand red is a likeable accent colour, but honestly, this set has such a strong theme that it really doesn't fit in.

This.
These red accents were a pure invention and didn’t fit the esthetic of Sinclair boards.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: myyrddraal on Sat, 18 January 2020, 15:03:13
Btw Biip, why did you drop the all red bag keys back to normal colored nab keys
I'm guessing it didn't fit the aesthetic for the set? But yeah I miss the red nav keys
I understand red is a likeable accent colour, but honestly, this set has such a strong theme that it really doesn't fit in.

This.
These red accents were a pure invention and didn’t fit the esthetic of Sinclair boards.
I really love the way you try to keep true to the original aesthetics. There are many thinkable drops and branches of this design, but it would lose the vibe. Which is I think the biggest appeal for the majority of buyers.


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: biip on Sat, 18 January 2020, 15:22:28
Btw Biip, why did you drop the all red bag keys back to normal colored nab keys
I'm guessing it didn't fit the aesthetic for the set? But yeah I miss the red nav keys
I understand red is a likeable accent colour, but honestly, this set has such a strong theme that it really doesn't fit in.

And it lowers the cost :p

This.
These red accents were a pure invention and didn’t fit the esthetic of Sinclair boards.
I really love the way you try to keep true to the original aesthetics. There are many thinkable drops and branches of this design, but it would lose the vibe. Which is I think the biggest appeal for the majority of buyers.


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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: MdotMaxson on Sun, 19 January 2020, 02:59:07
I can’t believe the group buy is finally here. I thjnk Kam wraith can be blamed as the keyset that motivated me make a geekhack to comment. He unleashed the troll !
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: biip on Mon, 20 January 2020, 16:31:52
Final pricing

KitNovelkeysCandykeysZfrontierZfrontier CNDailyclack
base$95.0093.00€$95.00¥578.00$152.00
calc$16.0020.00€$17.00¥100.00$26.00
ergo$65.0058.00€$65.00¥395.00$104.00
extension$30.0034.00€$30.00¥185.00$48.00
intl$35.0038.00€$35.00¥216.00$56.00
nav$11.0019.00€$12.00¥72.00$24.00
space$22.0023.00€$23.00¥135.00$35.00



renders are coming :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB the jan. 27th!)
Post by: biip on Tue, 21 January 2020, 03:33:21
Some renders… More to come!

(https://i.imgur.com/1iCjIo3.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/1AWVwxW.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/0MVWkMZ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/UEjCLnZ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/b1tOXyY.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/0Nv00tY.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/aXesRba.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/tZwEcXY.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ouFs2XQ.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/UEjtrnK.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Md0F6mp.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB Jan. 27th — Feb. 28th)
Post by: Zeelobby on Tue, 21 January 2020, 21:10:38
So what's the nav kit for?

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Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB Jan. 27th — Feb. 28th)
Post by: Fredington on Tue, 21 January 2020, 21:14:08
So what's the nav kit for?

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Navigating.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB Jan. 27th — Feb. 28th)
Post by: biip on Wed, 22 January 2020, 02:40:53
So what's the nav kit for?

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WASD, VIM, HHKB and Poker arrows + Colevrak support :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB Jan. 27th — Feb. 28th)
Post by: biip on Wed, 22 January 2020, 09:41:57
New renders:

(https://i.imgur.com/NBk85C5.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/wreTE1i.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB Jan. 27th — Feb. 28th)
Post by: jdefontes on Wed, 22 January 2020, 09:54:10
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/wreTE1i.png)


I have never wanted an ortho board until this moment.
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB Jan. 27th — Feb. 28th)
Post by: Robosculpts on Wed, 22 January 2020, 13:17:46
That ergo board looks amazing!
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB Jan. 27th — Feb. 28th)
Post by: Shurakai on Wed, 22 January 2020, 13:26:18
New renders:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/NBk85C5.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/wreTE1i.png)


Sexy Boardwalk is sexy. Any idea what case that is?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB Jan. 27th — Feb. 28th)
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 23 January 2020, 16:40:49
New renders:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/NBk85C5.png)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/wreTE1i.png)


Sexy Boardwalk is sexy. Any idea what case that is?

Campine by alexatpanc
Title: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB Jan. 27th — Feb. 28th)
Post by: psxndc on Tue, 28 January 2020, 00:34:34
GB is live, no?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB Jan. 27th — Feb. 28th)
Post by: raptorzoz on Tue, 28 January 2020, 00:41:27
GB is live, no?

It's live, check the GB section of the website
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith (GB Jan. 27th — Feb. 28th)
Post by: biip on Tue, 28 January 2020, 02:23:05
GB is live, no?

yes, GB thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104405.0)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: nephiel on Tue, 28 January 2020, 09:32:33
Sorry if this has been asked already, but is the space kit 1.50 blank key actually 1.50, or 1.25?
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Tue, 28 January 2020, 09:42:34
Sorry if this has been asked already, but is the space kit 1.50 blank key actually 1.50, or 1.25?

(https://i.imgur.com/obXG4fX.png)
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: nephiel on Tue, 28 January 2020, 10:53:09
Sorry if this has been asked already, but is the space kit 1.50 blank key actually 1.50, or 1.25?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/obXG4fX.png)


The legend is "1.50" while the key pictured is 1.25...
Title: Re: [IC] KAM Wraith
Post by: biip on Tue, 28 January 2020, 10:59:22
Sorry if this has been asked already, but is the space kit 1.50 blank key actually 1.50, or 1.25?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/obXG4fX.png)


The legend is "1.50" while the key pictured is 1.25...

fixed, that's 1.25u indeed. Sorry!