[IC] GMK Dark - Group Buy beginning Jan 3!!!

[depletedvespene]

Bottom Row icons have been split out into a separate kit. yes, i know the Alt icons are upside down, but thats the best you can do

What do you mean, "upside down"? the ⌥ symbol (U+2325), as shown in the picture, is the proper "Alt" icon. It is known.

[Prelim]

caps porn!  this would be better than old black on black dyesubs

[xeronu]

dig it! glad to see icon mods in the kit!

[maximize]

Have you considered splitting the alphas and modifiers? I know for the typical GB, it would be an issue of MOQ. But with this set, where many people will probably only use one or the other, I'm wondering if it would make some sense. MOQ would have to be hit separately for the kits, but it would let people buy in at a lower price point (e.g. $40-50 each kit instead of $100+ for the whole set), so maybe more would actually join the GB? Also, I'm not sure what you'd do with F row and numpad in this theoretical case... It's probably a ****** idea but I'm curious as to what you think.

[Puddsy]

Have you considered splitting the alphas and modifiers? I know for the typical GB, it would be an issue of MOQ. But with this set, where many people will probably only use one or the other, I'm wondering if it would make some sense. MOQ would have to be hit separately for the kits, but it would let people buy in at a lower price point (e.g. $40-50 each kit instead of $100+ for the whole set), so maybe more would actually join the GB? Also, I'm not sure what you'd do with F row and numpad in this theoretical case... It's probably a ****** idea but I'm curious as to what you think.

splitting them makes it 10% more expensive per kit, not cheaper

it is widely accepted that splitting GMK sets is a bad idea

[maximize]

Have you considered splitting the alphas and modifiers? I know for the typical GB, it would be an issue of MOQ. But with this set, where many people will probably only use one or the other, I'm wondering if it would make some sense. MOQ would have to be hit separately for the kits, but it would let people buy in at a lower price point (e.g. $40-50 each kit instead of $100+ for the whole set), so maybe more would actually join the GB? Also, I'm not sure what you'd do with F row and numpad in this theoretical case... It's probably a ****** idea but I'm curious as to what you think.

splitting them makes it 10% more expensive per kit, not cheaper

it is widely accepted that splitting GMK sets is a bad idea

That's not my point. Let's say the full set sells for $100. If someone only wanted to purchase the alphas for, say, $50, they could do so and save $50. Maybe it would draw slightly more sales overall.

[Puddsy]

Have you considered splitting the alphas and modifiers? I know for the typical GB, it would be an issue of MOQ. But with this set, where many people will probably only use one or the other, I'm wondering if it would make some sense. MOQ would have to be hit separately for the kits, but it would let people buy in at a lower price point (e.g. $40-50 each kit instead of $100+ for the whole set), so maybe more would actually join the GB? Also, I'm not sure what you'd do with F row and numpad in this theoretical case... It's probably a ****** idea but I'm curious as to what you think.

splitting them makes it 10% more expensive per kit, not cheaper

it is widely accepted that splitting GMK sets is a bad idea

That's not my point. Let's say the full set sells for $100. If someone only wanted to purchase the alphas for, say, $50, they could do so and save $50. Maybe it would draw slightly more sales overall.

and then all the people who want to buy the set have to do it for $150 instead of $130

which will be a majority of the people who buy the set

[maximize]

Have you considered splitting the alphas and modifiers? I know for the typical GB, it would be an issue of MOQ. But with this set, where many people will probably only use one or the other, I'm wondering if it would make some sense. MOQ would have to be hit separately for the kits, but it would let people buy in at a lower price point (e.g. $40-50 each kit instead of $100+ for the whole set), so maybe more would actually join the GB? Also, I'm not sure what you'd do with F row and numpad in this theoretical case... It's probably a ****** idea but I'm curious as to what you think.

splitting them makes it 10% more expensive per kit, not cheaper

it is widely accepted that splitting GMK sets is a bad idea

That's not my point. Let's say the full set sells for $100. If someone only wanted to purchase the alphas for, say, $50, they could do so and save $50. Maybe it would draw slightly more sales overall.

and then all the people who want to buy the set have to do it for $150 instead of $130

which will be a majority of the people who buy the set

To keep the numbers the same as my example, it would probably be like $100 for the full set (if split into kits) instead of $90 (if sold as full set).
It's being marketed as a set you can mix and match with other sets. People will probably have a specific match in mind, utilizing either the alphas or mods from Dark. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[Puddsy]

Have you considered splitting the alphas and modifiers? I know for the typical GB, it would be an issue of MOQ. But with this set, where many people will probably only use one or the other, I'm wondering if it would make some sense. MOQ would have to be hit separately for the kits, but it would let people buy in at a lower price point (e.g. $40-50 each kit instead of $100+ for the whole set), so maybe more would actually join the GB? Also, I'm not sure what you'd do with F row and numpad in this theoretical case... It's probably a ****** idea but I'm curious as to what you think.

splitting them makes it 10% more expensive per kit, not cheaper

it is widely accepted that splitting GMK sets is a bad idea

That's not my point. Let's say the full set sells for $100. If someone only wanted to purchase the alphas for, say, $50, they could do so and save $50. Maybe it would draw slightly more sales overall.

and then all the people who want to buy the set have to do it for $150 instead of $130

which will be a majority of the people who buy the set

To keep the numbers the same as my example, it would probably be like $100 for the full set (if split into kits) instead of $90 (if sold as full set).
It's being marketed as a set you can mix and match with other sets. People will probably have a specific match in mind, utilizing either the alphas or mods from Dark. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

i'm willing to wager a majority of people buying a set aren't buying it to mix and match

[dubious]

This is such a simple and amazing design. Very clever for you to think of this!

[8six753o9]

Have you considered splitting the alphas and modifiers? I know for the typical GB, it would be an issue of MOQ. But with this set, where many people will probably only use one or the other, I'm wondering if it would make some sense. MOQ would have to be hit separately for the kits, but it would let people buy in at a lower price point (e.g. $40-50 each kit instead of $100+ for the whole set), so maybe more would actually join the GB? Also, I'm not sure what you'd do with F row and numpad in this theoretical case... It's probably a ****** idea but I'm curious as to what you think.

AFAIK, you can’t really do this with GMK. A perfect example of what pricing might look like is the $65 GMK Waze Kobe kit and $80 GMK Metropolis Midnight mods.  I full kit for this would probably be $100-$120 like GMK Nines.

[maximize]

Have you considered splitting the alphas and modifiers? I know for the typical GB, it would be an issue of MOQ. But with this set, where many people will probably only use one or the other, I'm wondering if it would make some sense. MOQ would have to be hit separately for the kits, but it would let people buy in at a lower price point (e.g. $40-50 each kit instead of $100+ for the whole set), so maybe more would actually join the GB? Also, I'm not sure what you'd do with F row and numpad in this theoretical case... It's probably a ****** idea but I'm curious as to what you think.

splitting them makes it 10% more expensive per kit, not cheaper

it is widely accepted that splitting GMK sets is a bad idea

That's not my point. Let's say the full set sells for $100. If someone only wanted to purchase the alphas for, say, $50, they could do so and save $50. Maybe it would draw slightly more sales overall.

and then all the people who want to buy the set have to do it for $150 instead of $130

which will be a majority of the people who buy the set

To keep the numbers the same as my example, it would probably be like $100 for the full set (if split into kits) instead of $90 (if sold as full set).
It's being marketed as a set you can mix and match with other sets. People will probably have a specific match in mind, utilizing either the alphas or mods from Dark. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

i'm willing to wager a majority of people buying a set aren't buying it to mix and match

Ok buddy but literally most of the renders are mixes with other sets.

[Hotsauce]

That’s why they are renders and this is an interest check. I definitely would prefer a base set rather than splitting stuff up.

[x86ect]

Edit: allow me to be blunt - GMK Nines renders seem to be lighter than the renders here. GMK Terminal seems to be lighter than the renders here.  Blind assassin might modify his GMK Night Runner b/c n9 is not "dark enough".  Given the comparisons, it might be useful to look at the response in the GMK Phantom group buy when the final colors didn't match the renders.

Having said that, I have no real life experience with n9; can someone chime in on whether these renders are accurate?

And please forgive the bluntness; I'm part of the crowd that's bitter about GoB, and I badly want this set to be the substitute/savior.

[maximize]

That’s why they are renders and this is an interest check. I definitely would prefer a base set rather than splitting stuff up.

I'm saying that there's a reason the renders were done the way they were. Also, the fact it's an interest check is why I'm bringing this up.

[svjordan]

I’m definitely in. This design is sleek. I love it.

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

Edit: allow me to be blunt - GMK Nines renders seem to be lighter than the renders here.
Having said that, I have no real life experience with n9; can someone chime in on whether these renders are accurate?

And please forgive the bluntness; I'm part of the crowd that's bitter about GoB, and I badly want this set to be the substitute/savior.

I'm looking at my gmk terminal set now. In low light, the keys looks like the Dark render. In my minds eye, they're about the color of the nines render. The render is mimicking a well lit space, though-the background is white. With bright ambient light, my gmk phantom looks like the renders. In the evening, Phantom looks black.

Someone has GMK Terminal and WoB. Take a photo with both, tell photoshop to swap terminal green for CR black?

[roostrc0gburn]

Have you considered splitting the alphas and modifiers? I know for the typical GB, it would be an issue of MOQ. But with this set, where many people will probably only use one or the other, I'm wondering if it would make some sense. MOQ would have to be hit separately for the kits, but it would let people buy in at a lower price point (e.g. $40-50 each kit instead of $100+ for the whole set), so maybe more would actually join the GB? Also, I'm not sure what you'd do with F row and numpad in this theoretical case... It's probably a ****** idea but I'm curious as to what you think.

trying to keep an open mind regarding kit design and what people actually want, so i am not completely opposed to splitting out the alphas and mods as some other sets have done in the past. typically, though i would have to agree with puddsy's assessment that this is not common practice with GMK because of pricing.

as i said in my reddit post, at this point i am not considering it because i want to offer a full base kit with as much compatibility while keeping the cost low. however, if enough people want to split up the base kit i will offer them separately, but it will have to be a vast majority requesting this

[AlcoholEnthusiast]

Fwiw I want this as a whole set. And if it was broken into 65$ Alphas and 85$ Mods I probably couldn't justify joining.

[roostrc0gburn]

Edit: allow me to be blunt - GMK Nines renders seem to be lighter than the renders here.
Having said that, I have no real life experience with n9; can someone chime in on whether these renders are accurate?

And please forgive the bluntness; I'm part of the crowd that's bitter about GoB, and I badly want this set to be the substitute/savior.

this is a fair point regarding render accuracy, as we have seen in several sets recently. please keep in mind these were just free renders (credit: pngu and kle), so you will need a bit of imagination and some hands-on experience with other GMK sets to have a good intuition for what this will turn out like. terminal, skidata, or sky dolch/ocean dolch are good comparisons for N9 (dark grey) base color. just take a look at google images for these sets in different lighting.

N9 is a dark grey and CR is black. see the colors below



this is a low-contrast set, so lighting will have a dramatic effect on the visibility of the legends. not many existing GMK keysets are low-contrast, so keep that in mind also

[byoliven]

Would be great if I can skip the numpad keys as I am a >65% keyboard user (seems to be the majority?)
Furthermore, are there any chance to add a 1.75 backspace in the child kit for minivan users?
Anyways, GMK Dark is a Must Buy for me to match with my Violet Tendencies and DolchReborn.

[AlcoholEnthusiast]

Agreed on splitting numpad.

[8six753o9]

Someone has GMK Terminal and WoB. Take a photo with both, tell photoshop to swap terminal green for CR black?

Someone asked me to take a picture a week or the ago that compares CR (GMK WoB - top), GMK Carbon R2 Gray (middle), and N9 (GMK Terminal R2 -bottom). This picture was taken with an iPhone 6s with kitchen lighting. Sorry I’m no professional photographer.

[Zylkan]

I also don't think this is the kind of set you would split.
I'm definitely considering it and if I do get in I'm in for the full set.

[x86ect]

... Someone has GMK Terminal and WoB. Take a photo with both, tell photoshop to swap terminal green for CR black?

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... this is a low-contrast set, so lighting will have a dramatic effect on the visibility of the legends. not many existing GMK keysets are low-contrast, so keep that in mind also

Thank you, kindly!
I'm all in.

[elfick]

I'd be in full a full set and icon mods.

Splitting the base set will just make it too expensive IMHO. I'd say combine ISO into base as used to be the standard (I'm not an ISO user, but if you are going to bother offering it, this is the only way it will make MOQ). Personally, I find all the extra space bars that seem to get added to sets more annoying than the ISO keys. In fact, I'd move any keys that aren't the common ANSI/ISO 104 (as shown on http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com ) into the non-standard set to increase the chance that non-standard makes it and reduce the cost of the base set.

Also, combine icon keys into a single set. I'll go in on it, but sadly it probably won't make MOQ unless you run on MD.

So 3 kits, base, icons, and non-standard.

[dubious]

Someone has GMK Terminal and WoB. Take a photo with both, tell photoshop to swap terminal green for CR black?

Someone asked me to take a picture a week or the ago that compares CR (GMK WoB - top), GMK Carbon R2 Gray (middle), and N9 (GMK Terminal R2 -bottom). This picture was taken with an iPhone 6s with kitchen lighting. Sorry I’m no professional photographer.
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this is a good representation of N9 in normal lighting conditions, imho

[Laughmaster]

I'll definitely be joining this when it gets to GB

A few things I'd like to see changed with the kits:

• Add another R4 1.25u Alt cap to the base kit so we aren't forced to use AltGr
• I see there are barred F/J keys but no dot or barred numpad 5. I'd like to see one of them added (preferably dot 5 )
• Speaking of F/J/5, are the non-barred ones scooped? If not, is there any reason for these keys to be non-homing?
• Combine icon mods & bottom icons into 1 kit

[roostrc0gburn]

I'll definitely be joining this when it gets to GB

A few things I'd like to see changed with the kits:

• Add another R4 1.25u Alt cap to the base kit so we aren't forced to use AltGr
• I see there are barred F/J keys but no dot or barred numpad 5. I'd like to see one of them added (preferably dot 5 )
• Speaking of F/J/5, are the non-barred ones scooped? If not, is there any reason for these keys to be non-homing?
• Combine icon mods & bottom icons into 1 kit

thanks for the input, i will consider some of these edits

[rooney]

Keeping an eye on this one, thanks!

[Yonben]

Great set and yeah, those coloured accents make it perfect

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

Thank you for the photo. I have carbon and terminal and this looks just like them to me.

I'd buy this in my attempt over the years to create N9 handerbeit

Someone has GMK Terminal and WoB. Take a photo with both, tell photoshop to swap terminal green for CR black?

Someone asked me to take a picture a week or the ago that compares CR (GMK WoB - top), GMK Carbon R2 Gray (middle), and N9 (GMK Terminal R2 -bottom). This picture was taken with an iPhone 6s with kitchen lighting. Sorry I’m no professional photographer.
(Attachment Link)

[Von Steve]

I wonder what CR caps and N9 lettering would look like in render

[tex_live_utility]

I wonder what CR caps and N9 lettering would look like in render

I think this is what GMK Doom was. I think I prefer gray-on-black to black-on-gray.

[x86ect]

I wonder what CR caps and N9 lettering would look like in render

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95923.0
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94796.0

[metalliccharles]

I'm in on this set for just the BoB.

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

even more interested now that hineybush has his CR spacebar interest check

[dibkib]

I'd definitely be interested in this kit!

[Mcnos]

That's pretty dark.

[TheNamesTy45]

So, does this set still have a pulse or are we dead?

[roostrc0gburn]

So, does this set still have a pulse or are we dead?

yeah, still in the works. just been busy, sorry. when i have more time to devote to this i will reboot with banners and such

keep the suggestions coming!

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

Does the icon mods set have a pair of 2.25 2.75 keys that could be VE.A spacebars?

I have a set of SkIIdata bars coming anyways, but for others who like a split space it might be good to have options.

[TheNamesTy45]

So, does this set still have a pulse or are we dead?

yeah, still in the works. just been busy, sorry. when i have more time to devote to this i will reboot with banners and such

keep the suggestions coming!

No worries. Glad that this is still a thing. It may be the first set I buy more than one of. Between base kit and icons, I got everything I want.

[King4477]

Glad to hear this is still in the works, definitely in.

[switchnollie]

+1 for the green alphas, nice contrast

[jaang]

maybe I’m missing something but why is the R2 backspace in the icon modifiers a different style? would prefer the arrow backspace in an R2 backspace if you prefer to keep both styles though!

[buttonpushingmonkey]

I have a Planck that this would look great on if I get the keys for it.

[jackal]

100% in. I've been looking for a set just like this.

[Shutter_Shock]

Definitely interested

[krey]

Will be in if the price can be kept ~$100