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Title: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Fri, 28 June 2013, 20:09:59
Hello,

I had very unfair trade(actually it was his request) with Balanar, So I tell you guys about that now.

Ok, before I write this thread about that dispute(actually now the claim),
I have to tell that I have been through with balanar.


A long time ago, I tell you guys how I came to know balanlar.
He suddenly sent the message via Geekhack when I was new here(I have acted on Keyboard communities in Korea for
4 years, So I know about keyboard very well. I just didn't know about Geekhack and Deskthority especially the worth of CC keycaps),
“I have some rare keycaps do you want to trade with you have got?”
But his items were too expensive, one example, he tried to trade 1 or 2 rare Click Clack skull or skulls to one of KMAC with full-tuned and assembled(Around 400$ or more).
Yeah maybe some people think that’s reasonable trade, but at least for me, that's totally non-sense.
In addition to I hate auction and the over-charge, re-selling. So I just rejected his proposals.


Time goes passes, He tried to requested me to get KMAC2 and some stuffs, Actually I was very busy that time and He was disreputable in Korea community.
(Because He always try to take advantage from the members who is new here with his CC keycaps)
even Geekhackers. So I didn’t want he involve me in any kind of trouble. I just want to trade with justice.
But He begged me for get something a lot of time, so I started to found out KMAC2 and some stuffs with kindness,
though I was really very busy at that time.
So finally I found and got KMAC2 using my money first in the range of his request.
But He suddenly said “I have to check more, why you bought without my confirm.” But that was too nonsense for me again, Because when we(Korean) request someone to get something, that means we can buy it for a requester as proxy and a request must buy it, a requester agreed and discussed before buying,
Who can hold KMAC2 for him without any kind of paying? Our problem was very started from that time.
Anyway, we admitted our wrong communication due to different our cultures,
so I posted a sale of thread and then sold it to another member. It was resolved by my own.


I start to tell the main problem now,
I found another KMAC2 and I told him all of descriptions. And He agreed and even requested to under-value 100$ as gift. For evade paying tax. That means he accepted there isn’t any kind of insurance and compensation.
In addition to Korea Policy, do not allow Electronic item with insurance.
Yeah so actually I don’t have the responsibility in law.
But suddenly he bringed the price from the first owner in Korea and He started to investigate me about why the price was increased.
But he didn't think carefully about where is Paypal fee? Local shipping fee, Considering transfer rate and Paypal transfer rate(I usually keep the money on paypal so I have to expect in future and prepare to risk about down rate),
the box to pack, a lot of bubble wrap, My efforts, Bring that heavy package to the post office, and everything I can't explain.
That was very annoyed me, because He agreed with the price but suddenly turn out to another person with wrong information.
But I explained him about that well so we agreed with the price I told him. In addition to I didn’t push to him to buy this that price, He totally agreed.
If he wanted to that with the first price, why try to transfer via Bank to me directly by our currency or find it himself?


Anyway, I got it from the previous seller. I always tested keyboards when I ship something to abroad, because if there is any kind of problem, that would bug me and a buyer.
In this time I’m sure I have tested at least 3-4 hours(Actually I can't remember But I had tested a quite long time) and even there is my Korean friend(Soulfree914).
He can also guarantee that was perfect working and has perfect condition.
In addition to I have used Cherry mechanical keyboard for 4 years and I have been through at least 40-50 keyboards
(product keyboard and custom keyboard both), I'm very sensitive and picky.
So if there was a problem he was saying, I defenitely noticed that and then solved it of course.
By the way I decided to it’s ok to ship, the packing was really perfect
(Maybe when you receive something from me, You will know that, I always use a ton of bubble wrap)and then shipped out with EMS. I have trade some stuffs with Geekhackers who live in abroad a lot of time, But there were no accidents.
Korea POST tracking system also shown he got it on 12. June. Here is the capture file.


(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-80RVAcsMqQs/Ucutif5DefI/AAAAAAAAC3s/6iN_Wrg6HFU/w717-h585-no/Tracking.png)


But he suddenly talked to me, “A” key has problem, It was still working but not working smoothly”
After 1 weeks later since he received it, that’s kind of strange for me. Because when we get something what is second-hand from the trade, we should try to test ASAP.
Actually who know he mistook to pour some water in to that KMAC2 or drop it, what happend I don't know in that week.


(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-WOkMLCn9PZo/UcuueIDJYfI/AAAAAAAAC50/ozyTyw4Wgj4/w606-h773-no/Chat1.png)


And that’s the fact he’s lying. He said “I picked up it very last night(19. June)” but Korea post tracking system always tell the truth with that proof. (12. June)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-cxsv7fsM3dk/UczwNYrxK_I/AAAAAAAAC58/Rr0-tlQExq8/w594-h772-no/lying.png)


The signature was BALA, you don't agree? If you didn't, who was he? It's your doppleganger?
Don't try to lie like "He was my father", if that is that means you didn't pick up it on the post office too.


Though all that unclear situations, I had tried to help him, give him the link of KMAC manual, tell him to find someone to solve it, it had just “A” key problem if he told the truth, it’s very easy to solve. Just desolder "A" key and replaced it.
But he didn’t try anything for his KMAC2, just continue to grumble and annoyed me
so I said “just send it to me, I solve it and return to you. I’ll pay half of returning fee”
Yeah, But he suddenly reacted emotionally, rejected my proposal and dispute it on Paypal.
"I thought at least you pay all of returning fee, blah blah". (He is too talkative, please tell me the truth and main point,
You always make me to waste time.)
Actually since he wanted to declare it as 100$ without insurance, I have no responsibility at all, But I have tried to help to the my best.


So I conclude it was his big plan to screw me at the beginning. Actually I don’t know why he planned.
If he really wanted to use that KMAC2, why request me to find it,
why rejected my proposal, why didn’t try anything??? It is still very mystery for now.


Here is the invoice of shipping,
You guys can see that it declared 100$ without insurance as gift.


(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-5atEUCyHJR0/UczwO25D1wI/AAAAAAAAC68/YveVdz-_6eg/w845-h631-no/photo201.JPG)

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-hlxnSBX0Juk/UczwOfNcmHI/AAAAAAAAC60/DlCOdM05ht8/w845-h526-no/message4.png)



Anyway,
We have the claim on Paypal now, because he knows Paypal well, they have good policy for buyer.
He just started to dispute, but I escalated it to the Claim.
Think about that and common sense,
if I acted guilty, why I escalated it to that? I’m not crazy man. I’m honest with that request that's why I did like that.


Actually since Paypal is taking buyer’s side, I’m kind of worry about that though I submitted a lot of proofs.
If Paypal decide he’s right, I’ll meet a very complicated trouble,
 - It was not mine at the beginning I was just as his proxy on his request.
 - If he return it to me but the previous seller never accept it.
 - I also don’t want use to this
 - He might do something to that KMAC2 and return to me, I’m very worry of that.
 - If there is any kind of accident, KMAC2 and my money will be up in the air.





Yeah it’s kind of long story, I had a big headache due to this problem.
If you don’t have time to read carefully, OK In short here,



1. He requested me to get KMAC2 at the beginning(IT”S NOT NORMAL TRADE, HIS REQUEST)
2. I found and he totally agreed with that KMAC2(the price, condition, ETC)
3. He wanted to declare 100$ as gift without insurance. That means he agreed with any kind of accidents, I have no responsibility.
4. He received it on 12. June, But he told me there is a problem on 20. June, and tried to lie “I just opened it last night”
5. The problem is only “A” key, it’s working but in according to his saying, It works not smoothly.
6. Who knows he mistook to pour some water or drop it, though all of unclear situations, I have tried to solve this,
   “I’ll pay half of shipping fee, just send it to me and I resolve it and then back it to you."
7. But He rejected my proposal and start to dispute on Paypal.
8. I don’t want to talk with him, SO I just escalated it to the claim, I submitted at least 14 of proofs and will submit some more.
9. Paypal just start to investigate



He’s really ingrate, ignore all my efforts. I have never seen like him in my life.
If he asked me "Help me, I can't solve on by own" and with kindness I'm sure to help him,
But he was really rude, I'm not seller I just did your request.
In addition to I didn’t try to sell some to him due to his bad reputation, it was all his request.


So I decided to reveal all that situation you guys.
As far as I know it's not first troublesome with him, Some people in here also were victim by him.


Actually I decided to throw away my money if he took money from me and also he might throw away or do something
to that KMAC2
But It's worth to all geekhackers who he is and what he has been.
I would like to that this situation will never happen again on Geekhack.
Yeah, as far as I know he is still trying to troll new members even now,

Actaully I don't know why he is here,
but I'm sure he wants a big profit by re-selling buy something with cheap price and then sell something with extremly high price.



Thanks for reading and beware of him, his ID Balanar.
Here is victim again.

Chaosstep



PS. There are many messages and proofs, If you want I'll show them.

PS2. I'll have a vacation next week, So I can response on 7. July

----------------------------- DONE --------------------------------

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-eWpnk4D8Sos/UePRKMiR_rI/AAAAAAAAC7Y/UwGWIXPtitE/w740-h555-no/P7151730.JPG)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qkHUpcvm__Q/UePRKE7WO0I/AAAAAAAAC7c/fQEI5x9k4aQ/w740-h555-no/P7151728.JPG)

And It was sold with crazy down price :|
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: funkymeeba on Fri, 28 June 2013, 20:41:05
Man, what's with all the scamming lately? I think you're not the only one who is getting ripped off right now. Just the same, that's a pretty huge amount of money to be losing when you were only proxying.

I hope it all works out in your favor, chaosstep!
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: demik on Fri, 28 June 2013, 20:53:09
okay sorry for that.

anyway, i had to deal with this guy also (balanar). he bought some stuff for me and he asked me if it was okay to have stuff shipped to me that i can send it all together so he can save on shipping. now, i dont mind helping people out and for the most part he was cool and liked here so why not?

so i start getting stuff and i become busy with work so we continue to miss each other. finally he asks me to ship him his stuff, but i told him that the package was big and the shipping was going to be expensive. he started to moan about the price and after i suggested insurance he said no. so we settled on  cheapest shipping possible, no insurance and marked at 100 value.

he sends me his address, and i go to ship. after i tell him i do, he starts to complain that i never gave him a chance to pick what shipping and what insurance he wanted. i apologize but i told him he told me one thing and then changed his mind.

so time goes by and his package is taking a long time to get to him. we check the status and it says it has a wrong address. he starts to blame me and says that he's going out of his way to track the package. meanwhile, he said that if it gets sent back to me it's MY problem and that i should come out of pocket (which i would have if it indeed was my problem, or if he was nice about it) and ship it back. he finally gets it, he PMs me saying it had the wrong addres.. so i take a screenshot of what he sent me over PM and he still says that's not what it says on the package. luckily, i still had my copy so i told him to take a picture of the label and prove that it's not what he sent me. magically, he's not home. and after multiple times asking him to provide proof he basically brushes me off because he knows he's in the wrong. and still tried to blame me.

so, yeah, i apologize for my prior outburst. but this guy is not to be dealt with. i've warned multiple people about dealing with him because he's shady.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Fri, 28 June 2013, 21:05:37
Hmm what a shame. I was friends with him on here before he left, and talked to him quite a lot in PMs. I got 3 kmac2's from him to assemble without problem, but I think it may have been marked up a bit. I also helped him proxy stuff, but luckily I had no problems.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: Halverson on Fri, 28 June 2013, 21:08:13
I can't say much with balanar, we've had one deal and it went well.

But chaos is an amazing guy. He has helped me out in a similar way and i'll always love him for it. ****ty to hear this has happened to such an upstanding guy who will do so much for people he barely knows.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: jcrouse on Fri, 28 June 2013, 21:35:53
Hmm what a shame. I was friends with him on here before he left, and talked to him quite a lot in PMs. I got 3 kmac2's from him to assemble without problem, but I think it may have been marked up a bit. I also helped him proxy stuff, but luckily I had no problems.
So you have to ask, "if he got 3 kmac 2's from you why is he looking for more"? He is the ultimate flipper.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: squarebox on Fri, 28 June 2013, 23:31:04
Balanar is a notorious flipper/sca**er in my local forums as well... Balanar is known as pho3nixor in my forum.
Link for reference:http://forums.vr-zone.com/traders-corner/2654179-pho3nixor-trade-experience.html (http://forums.vr-zone.com/traders-corner/2654179-pho3nixor-trade-experience.html)
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 June 2013, 05:47:42
Yea dude, Balanar is just a plain total douchebag... I know him from slickdeals..

Hang that m0therfvcker....
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: TheProfosist on Sat, 29 June 2013, 05:59:09
I had a issue with him quite a while back. Which was quite large ($400). I found out later that he scammed the guy to get that item he sold me as well on another forum.

I have heard bad things from at least 2 other GHers about him as well after I talked to them about what happened.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: The_Beast on Sat, 29 June 2013, 06:00:14
I had a issue with him quite a while back. Which was quite large ($400). I found out later that he scammed the guy to get that item he sold me as well on another forum.

I have heard bad things from at least 2 other GHers about him as well after I talked to them about what happened.

Oh the irony!
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 June 2013, 06:05:47
I had a issue with him quite a while back. Which was quite large ($400). I found out later that he scammed the guy to get that item he sold me as well on another forum.

I have heard bad things from at least 2 other GHers about him as well after I talked to them about what happened.

The thing I don't understand most is that it seems Balanar puts alot of effort into scamming people.... for very little money...  so I could only assume what he gets out of it is the satisfaction of scamming??

Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: BunnyLake on Sat, 29 June 2013, 06:07:28
he has literally just bought a GH t shirt from me
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 June 2013, 06:43:00
he has literally just bought a GH t shirt from me

why, you think he's gonna try to flip the shirt for +$5 profit??

:))
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 29 June 2013, 07:37:17
he has literally just bought a GH t shirt from me

why, you think he's gonna try to flip the shirt for +$5 profit??

:))

Or file a dispute for the fun of it and freeze Bunny's account :(
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: naokira on Sat, 29 June 2013, 07:58:21
Sorry to hear that man. The Balanar hero in Dota is kinda douche-looking too LOL!
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: Photekq on Sat, 29 June 2013, 08:47:34
Sorry to hear that man. The Balanar hero in Dota is kinda douche-looking too LOL!
I was thinking this too..
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 June 2013, 09:19:11
Oh NOs... what will all the Ghers wear to work on monday....




edit: wow, need more coffee in the morning, sorry TP.  apparently reply still isn't far enough from modify.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: mashby on Sat, 29 June 2013, 09:38:33
I had a issue with him quite a while back. Which was quite large ($400). I found out later that he scammed the guy to get that item he sold me as well on another forum.

I have heard bad things from at least 2 other GHers about him as well after I talked to them about what happened.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_n7RltmTdk-g/TGrTWU1zFvI/AAAAAAAAVQM/OV_52ZT0tsQ/s1600/Glass+Houses.jpg)
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: alaricljs on Sat, 29 June 2013, 09:41:06
Oh NOs... what will all the Ghers wear to work on monday....

My PJs as always :)
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sat, 29 June 2013, 09:48:36
I had a issue with him quite a while back. Which was quite large ($400). I found out later that he scammed the guy to get that item he sold me as well on another forum.

I have heard bad things from at least 2 other GHers about him as well after I talked to them about what happened.

Show Image
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_n7RltmTdk-g/TGrTWU1zFvI/AAAAAAAAVQM/OV_52ZT0tsQ/s1600/Glass+Houses.jpg)

LOL
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 29 June 2013, 09:49:35
he has literally just bought a GH t shirt from me

I would refund and cancel the order if I were you.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sat, 29 June 2013, 09:51:35
he has literally just bought a GH t shirt from me

I would refund and cancel the order if I were you.
Yeah, I just noticed his the one PMing me about my CCnG set...  :eek:
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: mashby on Sat, 29 June 2013, 10:05:34
I hate to even say it, but it makes me wish there was a "Wall of Shame". Unfortunately, I think things would get out of hand in a hurry, so it'd have to be moderated and who the hell would want to do that?

It's only when posts like these pop up that a lot of this information comes to light. But in six months this thread will be buried.  :(
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: The_Beast on Sat, 29 June 2013, 10:36:58
I hate to even say it, but it makes me wish there was a "Wall of Shame". Unfortunately, I think things would get out of hand in a hurry, so it'd have to be moderated and who the hell would want to do that?

It's only when posts like these pop up that a lot of this information comes to light. But in six months this thread will be buried.  :(

Start a blacklist of people who to won't trade with.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: Halverson on Sat, 29 June 2013, 10:39:24
I hate to even say it, but it makes me wish there was a "Wall of Shame". Unfortunately, I think things would get out of hand in a hurry, so it'd have to be moderated and who the hell would want to do that?

It's only when posts like these pop up that a lot of this information comes to light. But in six months this thread will be buried.  :(

Start a blacklist of people who to won't trade with.

There is this one guy...,who offers toast and never delivers.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: The_Beast on Sat, 29 June 2013, 10:42:52
I hate to even say it, but it makes me wish there was a "Wall of Shame". Unfortunately, I think things would get out of hand in a hurry, so it'd have to be moderated and who the hell would want to do that?

It's only when posts like these pop up that a lot of this information comes to light. But in six months this thread will be buried.  :(

Start a blacklist of people who to won't trade with.

There is this one guy...,who offers toast and never delivers.

huehuehue


(send my godamn toast!!!!!!!)
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: BunnyLake on Sat, 29 June 2013, 12:09:19
he has literally just bought a GH t shirt from me

I would refund and cancel the order if I were you.

its already gone out, im sure its all fine but fingers crossed
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Sat, 29 June 2013, 14:47:43
I had a issue with him quite a while back. Which was quite large ($400). I found out later that he scammed the guy to get that item he sold me as well on another forum.

Interesting that you would come in here and share your story about a scammer.

Well look in the mirror.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 29 June 2013, 15:00:25
I had a issue with him quite a while back. Which was quite large ($400). I found out later that he scammed the guy to get that item he sold me as well on another forum.

Interesting that you would come in here and share your story about a scammer.

Well look in the mirror.

Given all the replies TheProf has... I think you should have really worked on your burn, just a little more lol
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: longweight on Sat, 29 June 2013, 15:06:10
I had a issue with him quite a while back. Which was quite large ($400). I found out later that he scammed the guy to get that item he sold me as well on another forum.

I have heard bad things from at least 2 other GHers about him as well after I talked to them about what happened.

Oh the irony!


LOL this made me laugh!
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 June 2013, 16:01:14
I had a issue with him quite a while back. Which was quite large ($400). I found out later that he scammed the guy to get that item he sold me as well on another forum.

Interesting that you would come in here and share your story about a scammer.

Well look in the mirror.

the profosist is a scammer?  I thought he was just overbooked...
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: longweight on Sat, 29 June 2013, 16:02:04
I had a issue with him quite a while back. Which was quite large ($400). I found out later that he scammed the guy to get that item he sold me as well on another forum.

Interesting that you would come in here and share your story about a scammer.

Well look in the mirror.

the profosist is a scammer?  I thought he was just overbooked...

Well he has taken the money and only offered poor excuses and keeps stalling.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 June 2013, 16:05:22
I had a issue with him quite a while back. Which was quite large ($400). I found out later that he scammed the guy to get that item he sold me as well on another forum.

Interesting that you would come in here and share your story about a scammer.

Well look in the mirror.

the profosist is a scammer?  I thought he was just overbooked...

Well he has taken the money and only offered poor excuses and keeps stalling.

well yea, I've heard of that part, but that's why I thought he's overbooked..  Is every one in accord that he's full on scamming?
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: longweight on Sat, 29 June 2013, 16:06:54
I had a issue with him quite a while back. Which was quite large ($400). I found out later that he scammed the guy to get that item he sold me as well on another forum.

Interesting that you would come in here and share your story about a scammer.

Well look in the mirror.

the profosist is a scammer?  I thought he was just overbooked...

Well he has taken the money and only offered poor excuses and keeps stalling.

well yea, I've heard of that part, but that's why I thought he's overbooked..  Is every one in accord that he's full on scamming?


I don't think that it is intentional but he has royally ****ed up and doesn't have the capability to deal with it.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 June 2013, 16:10:25
I had a issue with him quite a while back. Which was quite large ($400). I found out later that he scammed the guy to get that item he sold me as well on another forum.

Interesting that you would come in here and share your story about a scammer.

Well look in the mirror.

the profosist is a scammer?  I thought he was just overbooked...

Well he has taken the money and only offered poor excuses and keeps stalling.

well yea, I've heard of that part, but that's why I thought he's overbooked..  Is every one in accord that he's full on scamming?


I don't think that it is intentional but he has royally ****ed up and doesn't have the capability to deal with it.

Where does he live, I can get some minimum wage labor together and finish all the keyboards if you guys transfer the stuff to me.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: longweight on Sat, 29 June 2013, 16:12:21
He hasn't ordered the stuff but cannot refund the money....
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 June 2013, 16:12:59
He hasn't ordered the stuff but cannot refund the money....

order what stuff? the build equipment?
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: longweight on Sat, 29 June 2013, 16:15:37
I believe so.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 June 2013, 16:18:33
I believe so.

hmm... well if it's CC, couldn't you guys just get the money back?
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: longweight on Sat, 29 June 2013, 16:20:27
I'm not sure, luckily I cancelled at invoice stage.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: TheProfosist on Sat, 29 June 2013, 17:34:19
Guys if u want to talk about the issues with my gb start another thread as this is about balamar.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tjcaustin on Sat, 29 June 2013, 17:55:02
Guys if u want to talk about the issues with my gb start another thread as this is about balamar.

Maybe if you answered the posed questions in the existing threads, it wouldn't leak into here.  You're such a ****in' joke.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 June 2013, 18:42:27
Guys if u want to talk about the issues with my gb start another thread as this is about balamar.

Maybe if you answered the posed questions in the existing threads, it wouldn't leak into here.  You're such a ****in' joke.

chill, he may be doing his best.. if the profosist straight up scamming you guys, why would he still be here. because it's not like you guys can't find out his address... this is the internet afterall.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: balanar on Sat, 29 June 2013, 19:23:40

Ok wow so many wonderful comments here but I have to at least share abit more so you can get a better impression of what has happened. Let me try and address these issues one by one.


@ Chaosstep/Chul: Like I have mentioned to you before, there are several other Korean Geekhackers on here and I have had friendly dealings with them. No issues whatsoever.


About our first transaction that fell through, I was very clear that I wanted to be informed before something, especially a $4xx USD keyboard was purchased. Is wanting to be asked before you spend my money wrong?? That did worry me but after that I clearly stated what item with specific configurations would be ok to purchase first and tell me later.


Another reason why I was so wary of you was because of the whole debacle where a respected Korean member ( I'm gonna respect his privacy) came right out and warned me about purchasing from you. Not to mention that whole series of shady messages from you.


(http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/5836/bwd6.png)

Anyways, a few things came to light after talking with the other Korean member because he apparently hadn't even heard of Chaossstep/Chul. Also, the repeated declarations of Chul claiming to have sold the board at cost etc came under fire when a sizable mark up was noticed.


*NOTE*: I did not complain about the markup in any way. Merely the hypocrisy of someone who continually claimed that he was doing this out of goodwill etc to be in this position. I have always had the stand that the value of an item is determined by the willingness of a buyer.


So after all this, when I finally collect it from the post office and am able to plug it in and try it out, I am shocked to find the A key registers only sometimes. I know the packaging was not damaged and that the physical keyboard arrived safely so this problem must have been present prior to shipping. I am definitely angry because Chul has been assuring me it is perfect all the way only to find this. I contact him telling him about this and the first thing he accuses me of is that I might have done something with the board. Also accuses me of pouring water onto it (WTF). After so much time handling such keyboards etc, to find that a seller is so ready to accuse me of this without due cause is ridiculous. The alternative he proposed of shipping it back to him and then to me would set me back a lot of money for no apparent fault of mine. Also, quite frankly I was paranoid about sending it back to him. So to have him rant on and on about me even having to pay his medical bills for his headaches just made me realise no solution was going to come out of this.


@ demik: First off, I did check my end of things after the last PM exchange we had and I did indeed send you an incomplete address. I also did PM you about that apologizing but if you did not read/receive it, you can take this as an official apology for that. However, you should also share the duration ( ~4 months) over which the entire 'deal' lasted. I know you were doing me a favour and I was grateful throughout the entire process but like I stated in pms that time, not receiving a reply for long periods of time didn't help. You said you were busy but that doesn't make sense because you were online and posting etc. Anyways, did I not pay you for the shipping? I believe I stated I was waiting for funds to transfer from my bank and when it did I paid you. So again, I don't think I was acting shady because throughout the entire exchange my items were with you and you were the one lacking in communication. This especially compounded with how you magically were hyper enthused about pms when asking for your shipping fee and why I didn't reply after a single day was quite frankly hilarious when compared to the many many days I waited patiently for your replies.


@TheProfosist: I think your involvement in this is peripheral at best and I know ordway has settled everything with you so frankly I don't see what you're trying to achieve here. Anyways, I think you have your own ****storm to fight so maybe you should settle that before flinging it at others?


@BunnyLake: Lol I wonder why I willingly made a donation to your  cause if I were going to make a PayPal claim?


I’ve made no secret of my habits when it comes to keyboards/keycaps. There are so many things out there that I want to try but obviously cannot keep them all. So I buy, try, sell and move on. I’ve had huge sales with big ticket items go smoothly and many members have had trades with me free of issues. I've taken hits on several trades/sales with members but don't see the need to advertise it etc.I’ve bought so much damn stuff here and have not chargebacked anything at all.
This incident with Chul is my first and hopefully my last.


Edit: Just want to add that this is the internet so some might say that the person who posts most has the best chance of 'winning' and I am definitely not one of those. So please don't expect to continually waste so much time on replies like this. If this is indirectly an encouragement for people to continually flame me, so be it.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: balanar on Sat, 29 June 2013, 19:30:26
Oh and I'm not going to go into detail about the local incident but again, very obvious if you read the whole thing that I didn't scam anyone.

Long story short:  An arrogant prick lost his head and made a dumb mistake and I simply am not big enough a person to take so much **** from him and still save him from his own stupidity.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: pasph on Sat, 29 June 2013, 19:43:13
Guys if u want to talk about the issues with my gb start another thread as this is about balamar.

Be ashamed
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Sat, 29 June 2013, 20:06:30
Oh I'm on the train to vacation now and just saw your post.
Welcom fianally the ultimate ungrateful flipper comes here, lol.

I don't know who was talking about me but
I'm very known as Venom on korea's community even more famous than that members who told
me in korea. If you're confident, why don't you tell his name?
In addition to if he warned you to buy that kmac, why didn't you cancel the request huh because you wanted to resell this although you had at least 3 of KMAC2s ?
Repeat if you didn't request me to get it, I never go to buy Kmac2
You don't undertand? And I even didn't know that kmac was his before you request.

So you're still lying everyone though there are all clear those proofs.
Why i accused? I didn't, just tell you the truth. Why you did't tell me about if there is problem when you received it?
Why after 1 weeks later you told me? You even don't try to explain those proofs now.
in addition to you have a ton of troubles with GH members and
Very bad reputation. You don't have eyes? If you're not just look at the replies about you.

Ok, if you can't admit those proofs I don't want to talk with you anymore,
It's just waste time.
Just talk here on yourself but it seems nobody will be your side yeah read member's response. lol

By the way,
You misunderstand Korean, that was not fair trade.
They very regreted to buy something with extremly price from you.
Me? I'll let them know your ID(actually already)and all Korean community.
You understimate my effective on korea's community.
Good luck with reselling with our Koreans in future.

Anyway,
I'll just follow Paypal's decision no matter how it may turn out.

But if you win, you shoudn't do somthing to That Kmac2 ;)
I warn you.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: Techno Trousers on Sat, 29 June 2013, 20:08:30
Wow this thread did a full on  pirouette. Isn't heatware supposed to prevent these sort of things from happening? I haven't bought /sold anything here yet, so forgive my ignorance.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: balanar on Sat, 29 June 2013, 20:30:03
Erm, Chul I did mention that I wanted to protect his privacy. I could ask the same of you; since we were talking about it, go ahead and state the name if you want to lol. I don't really believe in this kinds of threads because they will always balloon up into flaming each other. Not to mention people thread crapping etc. So forgive me if I don't want to be the one to drag anyone else into this.

I never told anyone I bought 3. I think you can ask WFD about that because I had 3 KMACs sent to him for assembly. Not all 3 were mine, I was helping friends as well. Besides even if I did, is having more than 1 KMAC a crime on a KEYBOARD forum rofl??

What exactly am I lying about? The keyboard arrived in Singapore and was at the post office. I was staying in hall/hostel and picked it up on the way back home. Opened it that night, discovered the issue and contacted you. What should I explain?

Oh for the record, I don't give a crap about who posts on whose side etc. This isn't a popularity contest . The facts are there. Didn't you get lambasted on this very forum for profiteering?
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 June 2013, 20:58:49
ah... you 2 should just kiss and make up.... it's just a freaking keyboard.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: balanar on Sat, 29 June 2013, 21:03:00
ah... you 2 should just kiss and make up.... it's just a freaking keyboard.

Not really. Being called a scammer ain't fun you know.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Sat, 29 June 2013, 21:06:00

Erm, Chul I did mention that I wanted to protect his privacy. I could ask the same of you; since we were talking about it, go ahead and state the name if you want to lol. I don't really believe in this kinds of threads because they will always balloon up into flaming each other. Not to mention people thread crapping etc. So forgive me if I don't want to be the one to drag anyone else into this.

I never told anyone I bought 3. I think you can ask WFD about that because I had 3 KMACs sent to him for assembly. Not all 3 were mine, I was helping friends as well. Besides even if I did, is having more than 1 KMAC a crime on a KEYBOARD forum rofl??

What exactly am I lying about? The keyboard arrived in Singapore and was at the post office. I was staying in hall/hostel and picked it up on the way back home. Opened it that night, discovered the issue and contacted you. What should I explain?

Oh for the record, I don't give a crap about who posts on whose side etc. This isn't a popularity contest . The facts are there. Didn't you get lambasted on this very forum for profiteering?

If you really wanted to protect his privacy,
You shouldn't even mention that he talked to you about that
I also don't want him to be involved with this claim, he was good man and really wasn't related with this case.

Anyway,
Did i explain you guys difficulty?
If you're i explain again(kind of boring to explain again)

  - The korea post tracking system showned
     You got it on 12. June (you can't see your name?, who is bala? It's not you?)
  - You said you picked up it on 19. June, but if you're
     they absolutely gave me The addressee(you) was absent. But they didn't
  - Those facts, even 4-5 years old children can understand lol.

Profiteering? what the funny you're saying hahaha.
You bought CC as drop'price and reselled at least 4-5times.
It's real profiteering. What a hell flipper?
if you have a mirror, just look at the front.
Look the real profiteering guy. You can see it and that you're
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: balanar on Sat, 29 June 2013, 21:08:32

By the way,
You misunderstand Korean, that was not fair trade.
They very regreted to buy something with extremly price from you.
Me? I'll let them know your ID(actually already)and all Korean community.
You understimate my effective on korea's community.
Good luck with reselling with our Koreans in future.

Anyway,
I'll just follow Paypal's decision no matter how it may turn out.

But if you win, you shoudn't do somthing to That Kmac2 ;)
I warn you.



Just saw your edit. About the ID etc go ahead. I'm not dealing with the 'Korean community', I'm dealing with people that I have had no trouble with in the past. If you're gonna resort to throwing your weight around with threats about your 'effective on korea's community' go ahead.


I find your 'warning' about the KMAC 2 hilarious. I will ship it as safe as how it was shipped to me if not safer. However, who is to say you won't pour water onto it and then blame me?
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: balanar on Sat, 29 June 2013, 21:19:23

Did i explain you guys difficulty?

  - The korea post tracking system showned
     You got it on 12. June (you can't see your name?)
  - You said you picked up it on 19. June, but if you're
     they absolutely gave me The addressee(you) was absent.
  - Those facts, even 4-5 years old children can understand lol.

Yes I did pick it up on 19th June. Can't say anything more because I don't know anything more than that.

Edit: Just saw Smallfry's thread and it really shook me up. I'm going to leave this to PayPal's discretion here because it really does seem childish when compared to stuff that happens in life. I'm done with this thread.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Sat, 29 June 2013, 21:51:14

Did i explain you guys difficulty?

  - The korea post tracking system showned
     You got it on 12. June (you can't see your name?)
  - You said you picked up it on 19. June, but if you're
     they absolutely gave me The addressee(you) was absent.
  - Those facts, even 4-5 years old children can understand lol.

Quote

Yes I did pick it up on 19th June. Can't say anything more because I don't know anything more than that.

Edit: Just saw Smallfry's thread and it really shook me up. I'm going to leave this to PayPal's discretion here because it really does seem childish when compared to stuff that happens in life. I'm done with this thread.


Yeah you can't say anything about that fianlly you admitted this proof. Because you lied.
I want you, please leave this thread and if you can and have a last conscience please leave from Geekhack.
We don't need the member like you.




By the way,
You misunderstand Korean, that was not fair trade.
They very regreted to buy something with extremly price from you.
Me? I'll let them know your ID(actually already)and all Korean community.
You understimate my effective on korea's community.
Good luck with reselling with our Koreans in future.

Anyway,
I'll just follow Paypal's decision no matter how it may turn out.

But if you win, you shoudn't do somthing to That Kmac2 ;)
I warn you.



Just saw your edit. About the ID etc go ahead. I'm not dealing with the 'Korean community', I'm dealing with people that I have had no trouble with in the past. If you're gonna resort to throwing your weight around with threats about your 'effective on korea's community' go ahead.


I find your 'warning' about the KMAC 2 hilarious. I will ship it as safe as how it was shipped to me if not safer. However, who is to say you won't pour water onto it and then blame me?

You didn't? lol They are already acting on Korea community too
,We share information as well.
You think there were no troubles, yeah but after trade they very regreted.
Because your profiteering. (How can you offer 4-5 times price than original price OMG)

It's not threats, I'll just tell the truth about you.
And everybody know you well lol.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: bazemk1979 on Sat, 29 June 2013, 21:51:18
Balanar did you try unscrewing the board and flipping the PCB, seems like a cold solder joint problem. You can fix it in matter of seconds before you guys get into more unwanted argument.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 29 June 2013, 22:00:02
Thanks to that you made me a racist.

I'm sorry, but that's a pretty terrible thing to say...  and has no justification.  And a crazy overreaction.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 29 June 2013, 22:03:57
Thanks to that you made me a racist.

I'm sorry, but that's a pretty terrible thing to say...  and has no justification.  And a crazy overreaction.

ah, it's a language translation error.. racist in east asian languages usually translates to   One with stereotype or one who discriminate, which is Not the same as, Those N-word should be slaves to whites kind of racist..

 
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 29 June 2013, 22:04:54
Okay then, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and quietly disappear behind the bushes :)
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tjcaustin on Sat, 29 June 2013, 22:10:32
Okay then, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and quietly disappear behind the bushes :)

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1itsg87X61rn95k2o1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 29 June 2013, 22:13:52
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2265/2329294512_80cf57ea97_z.jpg)
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tjcaustin on Sat, 29 June 2013, 23:15:06
That's mean, I'm not *that* big lol
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 29 June 2013, 23:18:03
I thought you were referring to me! :p  Anyway, I'm not supposed to be talking, while hiding and all.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tjcaustin on Sat, 29 June 2013, 23:24:00
I thought you were referring to me! :p  Anyway, I'm not supposed to be talking, while hiding and all.

Clearly we're sharing a bush so it's ok, I think.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: demik on Sat, 29 June 2013, 23:39:34
Quote
@ demik: First off, I did check my end of things after the last PM exchange we had and I did indeed send you an incomplete address. I also did PM you about that apologizing but if you did not read/receive it, you can take this as an official apology for that. However, you should also share the duration ( ~4 months) over which the entire 'deal' lasted. I know you were doing me a favour and I was grateful throughout the entire process but like I stated in pms that time, not receiving a reply for long periods of time didn't help. You said you were busy but that doesn't make sense because you were online and posting etc. Anyways, did I not pay you for the shipping? I believe I stated I was waiting for funds to transfer from my bank and when it did I paid you. So again, I don't think I was acting shady because throughout the entire exchange my items were with you and you were the one lacking in communication. This especially compounded with how you magically were hyper enthused about pms when asking for your shipping fee and why I didn't reply after a single day was quite frankly hilarious when compared to the many many days I waited patiently for your replies.

i just went through all my messages, and not one apology from you. the last message i got was "im just going to drop it since i already got my stuff." part of the reason it even took long was BECAUSE i was waiting to get stuff shipped to me from others. and yes, i got busy for a bit. and, yes, i posted. it's called a phone. i got home way after the post office closed. and i wasn't going to take time out of my lunch to do you a favor. in no point did i say you didn't pay for shipping. my problem was that, if it got lost (due to your fault) you wanted ME to pay for it.

this is your last message

Quote
jeezus, I never said I wasn't gonna send you a picture now did I? A minute ago and now still I am willing to send you a picture. Did I say I can't? Did I say anything about doing it today? Or is it my fault for having a life and going places?

How the hell can I possibly take advantage of you in this situation? I've received my darned package dammit. Please tell me what the **** I stand to gain by wasting my time on this **** with you. I want to drop it and move along but no suddenly that's construed as guilt on my part. Goddamn.

Also if you wanna play semantics, go ahead. If you don't know the different measures a post office takes to contact and deliver mail in my country, go and find out for yourself. I'm not going to stand here and explain it to you. I've clearly told you what you left out and told you I'll send you a picture. Damn.

and i dont care for a public or private apology. i was simply adding to the thread and warning others about dealing with you.


here's the thing. im glad i was able to help you, and im glad you got your stuff. but what bothered me was the finger pointing and blaming for your mistake. and when i asked for proof, you still didn't take the blame and provide it. you swore up and down it was my fault and that is what pissed me off, especially after i provided proof.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: elton5354 on Sat, 29 June 2013, 23:43:54
It seems to me what ordway says is accurate.

Quote
His words sound very nice on SMS and PM, always justifying his behavior, but how he actually behaves is completely different.

Very deceitful person.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tjcaustin on Sun, 30 June 2013, 00:12:34
This thread is about photoelectric and I sharing a bush now. giggity
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Sun, 30 June 2013, 00:37:03
This thread is about photoelectric and I sharing a bush now. giggity
Hussy!
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: baldgye on Sun, 30 June 2013, 02:23:11
Demik, that's a pretty amazing PM he sent you given that the error was on his part. Even if the transaction had gone smoothly conduct like that shouldn't be considered acceptable. I don't think people should deal with him simply off the back of that. Petulant children make for the worst people.

Though I liked his excuse for leaving the thread
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: naokira on Sun, 30 June 2013, 03:12:55
I'm watching this thread because I might be in a scammed situation someday, but I really LOL'd hard on the elephant Photo and TJ! HAHA
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: Rendom on Sun, 30 June 2013, 04:46:14
Disgraceful to Singapore.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 30 June 2013, 10:01:37
Disgraceful to Singapore.

I see you're from Malaysia,  is there some hidden agenda behind you saying that... :D
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Fri, 05 July 2013, 08:06:30
Balanar did you try unscrewing the board and flipping the PCB, seems like a cold solder joint problem. You can fix it in matter of seconds before you guys get into more unwanted argument.

That still remains very mystery now.
It was very easy to resolve though i don't believe there is problem.
If he really wanted that Kmac2, he must try something to solve,
But he did nothing.
In addtion to when he know the original price(except paypal fee and all costs)
he was upset and investigated me even 1$ where it came from.
I know why he did like that Because he planned to resell at the beginning.
If he could get more lower price, that meant He was able to get more profit.
But he couldn't, because I messed up his plan.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: pandather on Mon, 08 July 2013, 10:23:05
I don't know what happened with The_Chemist, but I just recently completed a trade with him, I was doing 65 ergo-clears for 65 vintage blacks, and he sent me an extra just cause. :D

Nevermind, mixed up the chemist and the prof guy, sorry!
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 08 July 2013, 16:43:28
if there are so many Koreans now on gh where is the Korean talk? besides statecraft that it's.no seriously I consume allot of Korean content by osmosis cuz of my wife but it just seems you guys would rather trade and flip around cc's.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Thu, 11 July 2013, 23:55:13
if there are so many Koreans now on gh where is the Korean talk? besides statecraft that it's.no seriously I consume allot of Korean content by osmosis cuz of my wife but it just seems you guys would rather trade and flip around cc's.

Talk on Korean KBD communities or messenger, why talk on here, lol.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Fri, 12 July 2013, 00:05:59
- Status Update -

> Paypal request him to shipback that item to me on 2. July.
> The dead line is 12. July, If he didn't shipback it to me, that claim will be closed automatically.
> He hasn't response until today(12. July) morning, but He just submitted the tracking number to Paypal afternoon(13:13)

   Opps, If he really wanted to shipback, why he didn't shipback a little bit quickly. why last day lol.
   If he shipback to me more quickly, he must get back his money from the issue more faster than now.
   Yeah maybe If I asked him about this situation, he will anwser "I was at hospital and I was busy".

Anyway, that's enough to share this story of him with you guys.
I just wanna quit this problem and wish he didn't do anything to that item.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Mon, 15 July 2013, 01:51:57
- Status Update(2) -

> The post man said the KMAC2 was just arrived at my home, So I'll check it very carefully tonight when I back home.
    If there is any kind of trouble even one of very tiny dent except his lying(or true but I didn't make),
    I'll have a claim again via Paypal.


+ Today I heard that my one friend's trade, Balanar sold one of GirlDC silver ironman as 250$$,
    First, Balanar originally wanted to charge him $300. See it ? This is true hell flipper.
   
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Mon, 15 July 2013, 05:44:32
- Status Update(3) -

> I checked it when I back home
   There are ton of problems lol, Yeah It's balanar haha.

1. The First
    Quite big dent on the side, lol, look at this.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-eWpnk4D8Sos/UePRKMiR_rI/AAAAAAAAC7Y/UwGWIXPtitE/w740-h555-no/P7151730.JPG)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-qkHUpcvm__Q/UePRKE7WO0I/AAAAAAAAC7c/fQEI5x9k4aQ/w740-h555-no/P7151728.JPG)


2. The second
    I shipped KMAC2 + the blocks + the screws + USB cable(it's not like as that photo), But there is only KMAC2 with a dent.
    Where are all of them, Balanar  ?

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RoO6puQLsj8/UZWIVs9vYkI/AAAAAAAACtY/j9u4laNiZPI/w740-h555-no/P5161456.JPG)

Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: jcrouse on Mon, 15 July 2013, 06:27:24
This is very sad. Sorry to see this has happened. I have a set of blockers if you need them.

Interesting that he has not posted lately.

John

Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: rurushu on Mon, 15 July 2013, 10:10:54
this is bad.... should at least ship back everything if he's true to himself... >.<

Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: jil_jil32 on Mon, 15 July 2013, 12:34:19
It's too bad to know that... feel sorry for you -_____-
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Mon, 15 July 2013, 14:16:32
Test that key that balanar supposedly say doesn't work smoothly. That's what sparked the problem in the first place.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Mon, 15 July 2013, 19:55:15
This is very sad. Sorry to see this has happened. I have a set of blockers if you need them.

Interesting that he has not posted lately.

John

this is bad.... should at least ship back everything if he's true to himself... >.<

It's too bad to know that... feel sorry for you -_____-


Thanks for your comments.


Test that key that balanar supposedly say doesn't work smoothly. That's what sparked the problem in the first place.

Yeah, of course I tested it but unfortunately It was not working smoothly though the led on key works.
Anyway it seems you didn't read my whole post carefully,
If he said there was problem when he got it that day the tracking system showned,
of course I though it happend during the shipping whatever I'm sure I would help him.
But he said that after 7 or 8days he received it(He didn't say anything even one of skype message)
in addition to he admitted the proof of Korean post office provided, and he had very bad reputation on here.
Who can trust him? at least for me I can't trust.
If you don't understand this situation exactly, and then go to read whole thing again please.

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-80RVAcsMqQs/Ucutif5DefI/AAAAAAAAC3s/6iN_Wrg6HFU/w717-h585-no/Tracking.png)

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Yes I did pick it up on 19th June. Can't say anything more because I don't know anything more than that.



The most important thing is that he shipbacked it to me with bad condition(with hell gift)
and missed(or took) some parts now.

You already know The problem of key is very easy to solve(only one key), but that dent. It will be never covered.
Do you have a solution? But yeah, There is no way.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Mon, 15 July 2013, 21:32:22
- Status Update(4) -

> I strongly claimed about those problems and got the message from Paypal, They said

   In order to continue this investigation, a police report must be filed with your local law enforcement agency and a copy of the    report must be faxed to PayPal. For a valid police documentation, it should include the incident / crime number and report details along with the police station name, address and phone number.

> I reported this case to local police office and then wait their anwser.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 15 July 2013, 21:32:57
Wow this is getting real
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: Sai on Mon, 15 July 2013, 21:36:12
 :eek: :eek:
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: Topre on Mon, 15 July 2013, 23:18:12
I can't really tell by the pictures, but is that a dent or a chip? The case of a KMAC is aluminum right?

Regardless of whether it is a dent or chip, it is possible to fix. You may have to re-anodize the case though.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: balanar on Mon, 15 July 2013, 23:32:47
I came in here because I received an email from PayPal asking me about what items I received and shipped back. The blockers and USB cable are with me. I was extremely busy and completely forgot about those items when shipping the keyboard. I will ship them over with tracking as soon as I am able to. This should happen within a week.

The dent was most definitely not there when I was shipping it to you and I used exactly the same amount of bubblewrap you did so I don't think you can fault my shipping. Glad to hear at least you agree and admit the key is not working.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Tue, 16 July 2013, 01:00:42
I can't really tell by the pictures, but is that a dent or a chip? The case of a KMAC is aluminum right?

Regardless of whether it is a dent or chip, it is possible to fix. You may have to re-anodize the case though.


You totally don't know about the aluminium and anodizing.
If you have spare time and read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anodizing
Anodizing is not solution, it's just to coat (a metallic surface) electrolytically
with a protective or decorative oxide.

But that dent is physical damage, it cannot be covered by anodizing.
Actually there is only one solution, change the bottom, opps.


I came in here because I received an email from PayPal asking me about what items I received and shipped back. The blockers and USB cable are with me. I was extremely busy and completely forgot about those items when shipping the keyboard. I will ship them over with tracking as soon as I am able to. This should happen within a week.

The dent was most definitely not there when I was shipping it to you and I used exactly the same amount of bubblewrap you did so I don't think you can fault my shipping. Glad to hear at least you agree and admit the key is not working.


Oh, that's interesting you're still on GH.
Yeah right, You are always busy like before. So what?

Actually I don't want to talk with you any more but in this time I anwser some.


1. The shipping
    You lie again, that's very boring but I have to answer that,
    Ha, you used exactly the same amount of bubblewrap I did? You forget it again?
    I used bubblewrap and wrapped that keyboard with newspapers for preventing
    scracthes, and used nice fitted box with that KMAC.
    But you only use bubblewrap and your box was bigger than mine.
    So there were too many space, that keyboard must be piched and rolled
    on the shipping and then got the result like that.


2. The key problem.
    Yeah I agreed only "A" key is not working smoothly.
    Because I don't want to lie like you.
    But I never agreed and admitted there was that problem at the beginning.
    It was perfect, It's kind of overaction but I swear on my life.
   

Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: Topre on Tue, 16 July 2013, 01:07:33
I can't really tell by the pictures, but is that a dent or a chip? The case of a KMAC is aluminum right?

Regardless of whether it is a dent or chip, it is possible to fix. You may have to re-anodize the case though.


You totally don't know about the aluminium and anodizing.
If you have spare time and read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anodizing
Anodizing is not solution, it's just to coat (a metallic surface) electrolytically
with a protective or decorative oxide.

But that dent is physical damage, it cannot be covered by anodizing.
Actually there is only one solution, change the bottom, opps.

Actually, I do know a bit about aluminum and anodizing. The re-anodizing part I was talking about is to match the color of what you can use to fix it. You can use epoxy to fill in the dent. After filling it in, you can sand it down and have it in a similar shape as what it was before. You can use aluminum epoxy, but I am not sure if you can anodize that. The aluminum particles in the epoxy may dissolve. I do recommend getting some epoxy and letting it dry to see the actual color. Then re-anodize the case to the color of the epoxy and apply the epoxy then. If you do this carefully, you may not even need to sand it.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Tue, 16 July 2013, 01:16:39
I can't really tell by the pictures, but is that a dent or a chip? The case of a KMAC is aluminum right?

Regardless of whether it is a dent or chip, it is possible to fix. You may have to re-anodize the case though.


You totally don't know about the aluminium and anodizing.
If you have spare time and read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anodizing
Anodizing is not solution, it's just to coat (a metallic surface) electrolytically
with a protective or decorative oxide.

But that dent is physical damage, it cannot be covered by anodizing.
Actually there is only one solution, change the bottom, opps.

Actually, I do know a bit about aluminum and anodizing. The re-anodizing part I was talking about is to match the color of what you can use to fix it. You can use epoxy to fill in the dent. After filling it in, you can sand it down and have it in a similar shape as what it was before. You can use aluminum epoxy, but I am not sure if you can anodize that. The aluminum particles in the epoxy may dissolve. I do recommend getting some epoxy and letting it dry to see the actual color. Then re-anodize the case to the color of the epoxy and apply the epoxy then. If you do this carefully, you may not even need to sand it.

Yeah, that's the way to solve though it can not be covered as the original condition.
Espcially titan color-anodizing, it's very difficult to anodize,
Even the top and bottom housing of the same kit, the color is a little bit or quite bit
different within them.

Anyway, really Thanks your helpful comment.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: Topre on Tue, 16 July 2013, 01:20:11
I can't really tell by the pictures, but is that a dent or a chip? The case of a KMAC is aluminum right?

Regardless of whether it is a dent or chip, it is possible to fix. You may have to re-anodize the case though.


You totally don't know about the aluminium and anodizing.
If you have spare time and read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anodizing
Anodizing is not solution, it's just to coat (a metallic surface) electrolytically
with a protective or decorative oxide.

But that dent is physical damage, it cannot be covered by anodizing.
Actually there is only one solution, change the bottom, opps.

Actually, I do know a bit about aluminum and anodizing. The re-anodizing part I was talking about is to match the color of what you can use to fix it. You can use epoxy to fill in the dent. After filling it in, you can sand it down and have it in a similar shape as what it was before. You can use aluminum epoxy, but I am not sure if you can anodize that. The aluminum particles in the epoxy may dissolve. I do recommend getting some epoxy and letting it dry to see the actual color. Then re-anodize the case to the color of the epoxy and apply the epoxy then. If you do this carefully, you may not even need to sand it.

Yeah, that's the way to solve though it can not be covered as the original condition.
Espcially titan color-anodizing, it's very difficult to anodize,
Even the top and bottom housing of the same kit, the color is a little bit or quite bit
different within them.

Anyway, really Thanks your helpful comment.

You can also just powder coat it, that would make it much easier to match the color in that small area. It will be pretty much unnoticeable if you use a powder coat.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: The_Beast on Tue, 16 July 2013, 01:25:40
I can't really tell by the pictures, but is that a dent or a chip? The case of a KMAC is aluminum right?

Regardless of whether it is a dent or chip, it is possible to fix. You may have to re-anodize the case though.


You totally don't know about the aluminium and anodizing.
If you have spare time and read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anodizing
Anodizing is not solution, it's just to coat (a metallic surface) electrolytically
with a protective or decorative oxide.

But that dent is physical damage, it cannot be covered by anodizing.
Actually there is only one solution, change the bottom, opps.

Actually, I do know a bit about aluminum and anodizing. The re-anodizing part I was talking about is to match the color of what you can use to fix it. You can use epoxy to fill in the dent. After filling it in, you can sand it down and have it in a similar shape as what it was before. You can use aluminum epoxy, but I am not sure if you can anodize that. The aluminum particles in the epoxy may dissolve. I do recommend getting some epoxy and letting it dry to see the actual color. Then re-anodize the case to the color of the epoxy and apply the epoxy then. If you do this carefully, you may not even need to sand it.

Yeah, that's the way to solve though it can not be covered as the original condition.
Espcially titan color-anodizing, it's very difficult to anodize,
Even the top and bottom housing of the same kit, the color is a little bit or quite bit
different within them.

Anyway, really Thanks your helpful comment.

You can also just powder coat it, that would make it much easier to match the color in that small area. It will be pretty much unnoticeable if you use a powder coat.

Powder coat can be quite thick and it will more than likely mess up and threaded holes or tight tolerances that the case had.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: Topre on Tue, 16 July 2013, 01:31:39
I can't really tell by the pictures, but is that a dent or a chip? The case of a KMAC is aluminum right?

Regardless of whether it is a dent or chip, it is possible to fix. You may have to re-anodize the case though.


You totally don't know about the aluminium and anodizing.
If you have spare time and read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anodizing
Anodizing is not solution, it's just to coat (a metallic surface) electrolytically
with a protective or decorative oxide.

But that dent is physical damage, it cannot be covered by anodizing.
Actually there is only one solution, change the bottom, opps.

Actually, I do know a bit about aluminum and anodizing. The re-anodizing part I was talking about is to match the color of what you can use to fix it. You can use epoxy to fill in the dent. After filling it in, you can sand it down and have it in a similar shape as what it was before. You can use aluminum epoxy, but I am not sure if you can anodize that. The aluminum particles in the epoxy may dissolve. I do recommend getting some epoxy and letting it dry to see the actual color. Then re-anodize the case to the color of the epoxy and apply the epoxy then. If you do this carefully, you may not even need to sand it.

Yeah, that's the way to solve though it can not be covered as the original condition.
Espcially titan color-anodizing, it's very difficult to anodize,
Even the top and bottom housing of the same kit, the color is a little bit or quite bit
different within them.

Anyway, really Thanks your helpful comment.

You can also just powder coat it, that would make it much easier to match the color in that small area. It will be pretty much unnoticeable if you use a powder coat.

Powder coat can be quite thick and it will more than likely mess up and threaded holes or tight tolerances that the case had.

Yes, that is true with powder coating. But he can leave screws in the threads while coating and once it's done the screws can be removed and the threads would be the same. It is easier to mess up though, but I would assume he is getting it done by someone who knows what he is doing.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Tue, 16 July 2013, 14:56:21
Test that key that balanar supposedly say doesn't work smoothly. That's what sparked the problem in the first place.

Yeah, of course I tested it but unfortunately It was not working smoothly though the led on key works.

If you don't understand this situation exactly, and then go to read whole thing again please.

I actually did read every post in here, so maybe you're the one that didn't understand me. Regardless of anything else that happened or who caused the "A" key to be damaged, that key is what started this whole problem. So if you got the keyboard back and the "A" key was not problematic like balnar says it was, then it was just an excuses to send it back. That's all I'm trying to say.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Tue, 16 July 2013, 17:25:44
Test that key that balanar supposedly say doesn't work smoothly. That's what sparked the problem in the first place.

Yeah, of course I tested it but unfortunately It was not working smoothly though the led on key works.

If you don't understand this situation exactly, and then go to read whole thing again please.

I actually did read every post in here, so maybe you're the one that didn't understand me. Regardless of anything else that happened or who caused the "A" key to be damaged, that key is what started this whole problem. So if you got the keyboard back and the "A" key was not problematic like balnar says it was, then it was just an excuses to send it back. That's all I'm trying to say.


Yeah, I see. Thanks for your comment and interest.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: meiosis on Tue, 16 July 2013, 21:50:58
Test that key that balanar supposedly say doesn't work smoothly. That's what sparked the problem in the first place.

Yeah, of course I tested it but unfortunately It was not working smoothly though the led on key works.

If you don't understand this situation exactly, and then go to read whole thing again please.

I actually did read every post in here, so maybe you're the one that didn't understand me. Regardless of anything else that happened or who caused the "A" key to be damaged, that key is what started this whole problem. So if you got the keyboard back and the "A" key was not problematic like balnar says it was, then it was just an excuses to send it back. That's all I'm trying to say.

In the end it would still be balnar's fault for the current situation, he could have easily packed better to make sure there would be no chance of denting, In this case bubble wrap and foamcorn would be needed, denting metal is just horrible. In the end chaosstep is still a victim, he is merely a proxy trying to do someone a favor, he was not in this to make profit and now he has a board that was devalued by the person he was trying to help. Hopefully there is a way to fixed, or as long as the A button is fixed, balnar should accept it back, since it was his fault for inferior packaging
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: YongJK on Thu, 18 July 2013, 01:33:59
I had deal with Mr.Kim (Chaostep) months ago.
He is a very nice, real nice and polite person.

My KMAC2 has got no problem at all. In fact things went smooth and fast.

I am very sorry to hear the story about you.
I hope this doesn't stop your passion in helping as growing community.
Things like this sucks, especially in life.

Best of luck my friend.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Thu, 25 July 2013, 09:24:25
I just wanna refund the money to him and finish whole **** situation, it's my the worst memory on GH.
Anyway when I shipback that Kmac to him, he will make some trouble to harasse me
so this situation will repeat forever.

But you, balanar if you have a small conscience or you're the human you must pay the part of
kmac2's worth was devalued.
Whatever you packed well as like me(actually not like me),
it already happend and you were totally wrong to choose the size of box.

But honestly, maybe he wouldn't pay at all. He even hasn't shipped the left things he took away
until now and I didn't receive any kind of the tracking number.

I'll share this story forever to prevent further victims.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: Rendom on Mon, 29 July 2013, 19:56:01
So sorry to hear that, chaosstep hyung. : (
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 30 July 2013, 03:44:55
I just wanna refund the money to him and finish whole **** situation, it's my the worst memory on GH.
Anyway when I shipback that Kmac to him, he will make some trouble to harasse me
so this situation will repeat forever.

But you, balanar if you have a small conscience or you're the human you must pay the part of
kmac2's worth was devalued.
Whatever you packed well as like me(actually not like me),
it already happend and you were totally wrong to choose the size of box.

But honestly, maybe he wouldn't pay at all. He even hasn't shipped the left things he took away
until now and I didn't receive any kind of the tracking number.

I'll share this story forever to prevent further victims.

Every one chill, this is a tiny $100 blip..

I am very surprised at the amount of emotions people have exhibited over so little money.

It's like Chaos step wants Balanar to be waterboarded.. :))


Choasstep, you're right that Balanar may indeed be a bad trader, but you've taken it upon yourself to become "petty".
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 30 July 2013, 12:31:08
Would you buy a Kmac 2 with a damaged case that was "fixed"
I wouldn't and most others would not either.

I do not know the exact prices from this transaction, but I will base this on sherry's prices.
$410.00 for the KMAC2
$42.50 KMAC 2 simple assembly
$22.50 for the vintage blacks @  0.25 each * 90 switches based on whisky tango's prices. probably higher.
$25.00 to solder the actual switches.

total $500.00 without shipping from korea.

I am very surprised at the amount of emotions people have exhibited over so little money.
$500-$600 is a lot of money and I would be upset if something happened.

balanar could have resoldered the switch or the diode.
balanar could have properly packed the contents of the package before reshipping back to chaosstep.
chaosstep now has to spend additional $$$ to fix the case on the kmac2 that he was proxying and doesn't even want to own.
chaosstep has to find someone willing to buy a KMAC2 with a "fixed" case.

either way chaosstep is going to loose money on a proxy he didn't want to do anyways.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy &quot;Balanar&quot; to return evil for good.
Post by: jcrouse on Tue, 30 July 2013, 12:37:12
Don't feed the trolls. You're wasting your time and effort.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 30 July 2013, 12:41:17
Don't feed the trolls. You're wasting your time and effort.

But they're hungry! And they're just so cuuuttee...
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 30 July 2013, 13:03:28
Would you buy a Kmac 2 with a damaged case that was "fixed"
I wouldn't and most others would not either.

I do not know the exact prices from this transaction, but I will base this on sherry's prices.
$410.00 for the KMAC2
$42.50 KMAC 2 simple assembly
$22.50 for the vintage blacks @  0.25 each * 90 switches based on whisky tango's prices. probably higher.
$25.00 to solder the actual switches.

total $500.00 without shipping from korea.

I am very surprised at the amount of emotions people have exhibited over so little money.
$500-$600 is a lot of money and I would be upset if something happened.

balanar could have resoldered the switch or the diode.
balanar could have properly packed the contents of the package before reshipping back to chaosstep.
chaosstep now has to spend additional $$$ to fix the case on the kmac2 that he was proxying and doesn't even want to own.
chaosstep has to find someone willing to buy a KMAC2 with a "fixed" case.

either way chaosstep is going to loose money on a proxy he didn't want to do anyways.

$500 blips happen also.. still blip level.

If it's under $5000 it's a blip...

If you get mad over $500 stuff, you're going to get a heart attacks when you lose $5000.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 30 July 2013, 17:22:59
Would you buy a Kmac 2 with a damaged case that was "fixed"
I wouldn't and most others would not either.

I do not know the exact prices from this transaction, but I will base this on sherry's prices.
$410.00 for the KMAC2
$42.50 KMAC 2 simple assembly
$22.50 for the vintage blacks @  0.25 each * 90 switches based on whisky tango's prices. probably higher.
$25.00 to solder the actual switches.

total $500.00 without shipping from korea.

I am very surprised at the amount of emotions people have exhibited over so little money.
$500-$600 is a lot of money and I would be upset if something happened.

balanar could have resoldered the switch or the diode.
balanar could have properly packed the contents of the package before reshipping back to chaosstep.
chaosstep now has to spend additional $$$ to fix the case on the kmac2 that he was proxying and doesn't even want to own.
chaosstep has to find someone willing to buy a KMAC2 with a "fixed" case.

either way chaosstep is going to loose money on a proxy he didn't want to do anyways.

$500 blips happen also.. still blip level.

If it's under $5000 it's a blip...

If you get mad over $500 stuff, you're going to get a heart attacks when you lose $5000.

People for whom $500 is a significant amount of money are unlikely to get themselves into the situation where $5000 is owed.

Not everyone operates at the same scale.

And there is also the principal of the thing.  Let someone get away with $100 this time, and it will be $500 next time.  And $5000 after that.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 30 July 2013, 18:16:11
It is always easier to screw someone over for more money if you got away with it previously for less money.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 30 July 2013, 22:03:13
It is always easier to screw someone over for more money if you got away with it previously for less money.

seems like ^^ this kid has some experience screwing people outta lots of money..

Traders beware??

:D
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 30 July 2013, 22:04:02
Would you buy a Kmac 2 with a damaged case that was "fixed"
I wouldn't and most others would not either.

I do not know the exact prices from this transaction, but I will base this on sherry's prices.
$410.00 for the KMAC2
$42.50 KMAC 2 simple assembly
$22.50 for the vintage blacks @  0.25 each * 90 switches based on whisky tango's prices. probably higher.
$25.00 to solder the actual switches.

total $500.00 without shipping from korea.

I am very surprised at the amount of emotions people have exhibited over so little money.
$500-$600 is a lot of money and I would be upset if something happened.

balanar could have resoldered the switch or the diode.
balanar could have properly packed the contents of the package before reshipping back to chaosstep.
chaosstep now has to spend additional $$$ to fix the case on the kmac2 that he was proxying and doesn't even want to own.
chaosstep has to find someone willing to buy a KMAC2 with a "fixed" case.

either way chaosstep is going to loose money on a proxy he didn't want to do anyways.

$500 blips happen also.. still blip level.

If it's under $5000 it's a blip...

If you get mad over $500 stuff, you're going to get a heart attacks when you lose $5000.

People for whom $500 is a significant amount of money are unlikely to get themselves into the situation where $5000 is owed.

Not everyone operates at the same scale.

And there is also the principal of the thing.  Let someone get away with $100 this time, and it will be $500 next time.  And $5000 after that.

^^ This may be true..

But the general princple ala "don't sweat the small stuff"  applies...
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Tue, 30 July 2013, 23:13:50
I just wanna refund the money to him and finish whole **** situation, it's my the worst memory on GH.
Anyway when I shipback that Kmac to him, he will make some trouble to harasse me
so this situation will repeat forever.

But you, balanar if you have a small conscience or you're the human you must pay the part of
kmac2's worth was devalued.
Whatever you packed well as like me(actually not like me),
it already happend and you were totally wrong to choose the size of box.

But honestly, maybe he wouldn't pay at all. He even hasn't shipped the left things he took away
until now and I didn't receive any kind of the tracking number.

I'll share this story forever to prevent further victims.

Every one chill, this is a tiny $100 blip..

I am very surprised at the amount of emotions people have exhibited over so little money.

It's like Chaos step wants Balanar to be waterboarded.. :))


Choasstep, you're right that Balanar may indeed be a bad trader, but you've taken it upon yourself to become "petty".


If you think me to become "Petty"
Why don't you cover that very small money for money? I'm Poor, help me lol.

Actaully You underestimate the money.
Yeah the value is totally depend on people,
but If I donated 100$~500$ you thought it's just a blip and a small money to UNICEF,
They would help a lot of people, even saved their life.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: VesperSAINT on Tue, 30 July 2013, 23:19:42
I just wanna refund the money to him and finish whole **** situation, it's my the worst memory on GH.
Anyway when I shipback that Kmac to him, he will make some trouble to harasse me
so this situation will repeat forever.

But you, balanar if you have a small conscience or you're the human you must pay the part of
kmac2's worth was devalued.
Whatever you packed well as like me(actually not like me),
it already happend and you were totally wrong to choose the size of box.

But honestly, maybe he wouldn't pay at all. He even hasn't shipped the left things he took away
until now and I didn't receive any kind of the tracking number.

I'll share this story forever to prevent further victims.

Every one chill, this is a tiny $100 blip..

I am very surprised at the amount of emotions people have exhibited over so little money.

It's like Chaos step wants Balanar to be waterboarded.. :))


Choasstep, you're right that Balanar may indeed be a bad trader, but you've taken it upon yourself to become "petty".


If you think me to become "Petty"
Why don't you cover that very small money for money? I'm Poor, help me lol.

Actaully You underestimate the money.
Yeah the value is totally depend on people,
but If I donated 100$~500$ you thought it's just a blip and a small money to UNICEF,
They would help a lot of people, even saved their life.

Chaos, tp4 is just trolling you. In other words, he's just teasing you. No point in taking it seriously :P
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Tue, 30 July 2013, 23:26:08
I just wanna refund the money to him and finish whole **** situation, it's my the worst memory on GH.
Anyway when I shipback that Kmac to him, he will make some trouble to harasse me
so this situation will repeat forever.

But you, balanar if you have a small conscience or you're the human you must pay the part of
kmac2's worth was devalued.
Whatever you packed well as like me(actually not like me),
it already happend and you were totally wrong to choose the size of box.

But honestly, maybe he wouldn't pay at all. He even hasn't shipped the left things he took away
until now and I didn't receive any kind of the tracking number.

I'll share this story forever to prevent further victims.

Every one chill, this is a tiny $100 blip..

I am very surprised at the amount of emotions people have exhibited over so little money.

It's like Chaos step wants Balanar to be waterboarded.. :))


Choasstep, you're right that Balanar may indeed be a bad trader, but you've taken it upon yourself to become "petty".


If you think me to become "Petty"
Why don't you cover that very small money for money? I'm Poor, help me lol.

Actaully You underestimate the money.
Yeah the value is totally depend on people,
but If I donated 100$~500$ you thought it's just a blip and a small money to UNICEF,
They would help a lot of people, even saved their life.

Chaos, tp4 is just trolling you. In other words, he's just teasing you. No point in taking it seriously :P

Thanks, man. I already know but the one of member said
"But they're hungry! And they're just so cuuuttee" haha, I like it so I just wanna play with him.
Who knows, he will donate some money to me, because he was impressived from me lol
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: rurushu on Wed, 31 July 2013, 09:24:32
to see that KMAC2 is being turned into that condition really aches my heart....  :'( :'(
it is definitely difficult to get a new owner for that KMAC2 but I hope you can find it..... that sad KMAC2 needs a new home...
and please don't hate GH because of one bad apple Chaos... hope you can remain active in this forum my friend  :'(
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: domoaligato on Wed, 31 July 2013, 11:33:19
could you post pictures of the damage?
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 31 July 2013, 11:34:26
could you post pictures of the damage?

He has, on the previous page.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Wed, 31 July 2013, 21:36:06
to see that KMAC2 is being turned into that condition really aches my heart....  :'( :'(
it is definitely difficult to get a new owner for that KMAC2 but I hope you can find it..... that sad KMAC2 needs a new home...
and please don't hate GH because of one bad apple Chaos... hope you can remain active in this forum my friend  :'(

Thanks rurushu, You're always kind for me. :)
Don't worry I really love the member and here Geekhack except some people haha.

could you post pictures of the damage?

He has, on the previous page.

Yeah, and it's on another thread too
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46335.0
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Fri, 13 December 2013, 04:08:50
Everything was finished.
I sold it to another member with low price, I never got something to recover that problem from him and
he still act on here(actually very) lol.

Take care everyone except some people.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: balanar on Fri, 13 December 2013, 05:10:49
Sigh,

I did take some time off from both GH and local forums after this fiasco to think about what had transpired and my mistakes in them.

I will not attempt to deny that I acted petulant and completely inappropriately in both major trade problems - one locally and one here with chaosstep. In both instances, my anger got the better of me and only aggravated the situation.

With regards to our trade chaosstep, I was upset that I did not receive a properly working product despite you saying it had been tested thoroughly. Also, the notion of paying even more to ship the keyboard back to you and then to me was not a nice one as it would amount to some serious money. Your accusations that I had done something to it myself were what really made me angry due to the ridiculousness of the situation. I basically didn't want to engage in what I deemed at the time as useless conversation and just launched a PayPal claim.

I have NOT scammed or intentionally cheated anyone out of anything. This is a lie and I will welcome anyone to come forward and prove otherwise. The things I sell are as described and I take responsibility for them if they are not. It appeared to me at that time that chaosstep was not doing so, thus pushing the blame to me and this angered me. It was the same situation with demik where he was doing me a favour but I was upset at the numerous delays and perceived lack of communication when I had to chase him for updates. I AM NOT trying to stir anything up as I accept that it was my mistake in viewing the situation as something other than what it was  - a favour. I've had major sales on here and locally that went on without a hitch. You can check my local rep and there is NOT ONE report of something I have sold not being as described or any other problems.

As for accusations of on occasion marking the price of items up in my sales, it was either to cover expenses incurred in the purchase such as shipping or to raise money for a particular purpose. Again, not denying it. My experiences in forums have been that the buyers have the power to 'vote' with their money. If they didn't like the price of something, they could approach the seller and make an offer. Otherwise, they could choose not to buy. I myself have many times purchased items well over retail price because I really wanted it and never *****ed about it. It was my choice to buy it.


TL;DR


Apart from being a ungrateful prick, I was wrongly angry. I neglected building trusting relationships with people in a community like this and saw it as just business. However, I did not scam anyone. If you have any disagreements about this, please feel free to post. I have made mistakes due to anger and do not deny that but being falsely labelled a scammer sucks.


Chaosstep, if you wish to continue dragging my name through the mud by all means continue. However, yes I will continue to post here and locally so if you wish to try and stop that I'm sorry. I will be a better person which understandably only time will show. I will attempt to make things right with you Chul so let me know.


If you guys in the community have anything to add about how I have acted, please let me know and I will change.


Edit: I tried to PM you chaosstep but you have blocked me.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: berserkfan on Sat, 14 December 2013, 00:17:22
Balanar

Do you mind giving us details about your local rep? It would be good to clear the air.  :thumb:
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: balanar on Sat, 14 December 2013, 01:08:10
Balanar

Do you mind giving us details about your local rep? It would be good to clear the air.  :thumb:

Sure, here's a link to my profile which has a local version of something like heatware:

http://forums.vr-zone.com/itrader.php?u=128679
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: chaosstep on Sat, 14 December 2013, 02:09:53
"You are ignoring this user. Show me the post. "

and then I just don't want to click it until you admit all your faults (not just for me, for all members with you did), you talked too much as always.
I don't have time to read at all.

Sigh, If you have spare time to excuse like that.
Just Stop tend to have weird attitude and show people and ask for sympathy.
Just tell and do not something with them,
"Sorry" and don't cheat newbies(even 4-5times than the retail price). That's all we want, easy and that's even good for you.


All people are not perfect, make mistakes sometimes of course. 
But the important thing is that people could admit and fix their mistakes. That's the one reason why Human beings differ from other animals.


PS. I tried to end this topic, but you still update it lol. Thanks.
 
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: tjcaustin on Sat, 14 December 2013, 02:20:04
"You are ignoring this user. Show me the post. "

and then I just don't want to click it until you admit all your faults (not just for me, for all members with you did), you talked too much as always.
I don't have time to read at all.

Sigh, If you have spare time to excuse like that.
Just Stop tend to have weird attitude and show people and ask for sympathy.
Just tell and do not something with them,
"Sorry" and don't cheat newbies(even 4-5times than the retail price). That's all we want, easy and that's even good for you.


All people are not perfect, make mistakes sometimes of course. 
But the important thing is that people could admit and fix their mistakes. That's the one reason why Human beings differ from other animals.


PS. I tried to end this topic, but you still update it lol. Thanks.

Way to be the "bigger" man /eyeroll
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: balanar on Sat, 14 December 2013, 02:20:36
I'm sorry if you expected me to view your bumping of a thread that has been buried for so long with a vindictive warning as trying to end it. My mistake.

I did not ask for sympathy at all anywhere. I also want to point out that you are assuming that I got things at 'retail' price whatever that might be.

I see that you are unwilling to unblock me and that is of course your decision to make. If you want to end it like this, then so be it.
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: berserkfan on Thu, 19 December 2013, 01:32:26
Um... I checked out your link, and found this:
http://forums.vr-zone.com/traders-corner/2654179-pho3nixor-trade-experience.html

Seems too long to cut and paste, but anyone who wants can at least follow this link now.




Balanar

Do you mind giving us details about your local rep? It would be good to clear the air.  :thumb:

Sure, here's a link to my profile which has a local version of something like heatware:

http://forums.vr-zone.com/itrader.php?u=128679
Title: Re: I introduce ungrateful guy "Balanar" to return evil for good.
Post by: terran5992 on Thu, 19 December 2013, 01:56:07
Um... I checked out your link, and found this:
http://forums.vr-zone.com/traders-corner/2654179-pho3nixor-trade-experience.html

Seems too long to cut and paste, but anyone who wants can at least follow this link now.




Balanar

Do you mind giving us details about your local rep? It would be good to clear the air.  :thumb:

Sure, here's a link to my profile which has a local version of something like heatware:

http://forums.vr-zone.com/itrader.php?u=128679

So he pissed off people on an international scale