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Offline QiuFang

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 Hi everyone, After a while study, I also want to start custom keyboard design: p

  So, below is my first design.





Road Map:
- Design complete: (in May) - done
- Order Prototype:  Done  ( 19/5/2018)
- Check prototype, drawing, production speed. - Done (21/6/2018)
- Open Group Buy.


Feel free to ask me anything. :P

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Hi everyone,
   I have read all the comments.

  I think such a design would be very optimized production process. And I corrected the ratio to the most reasonable. You can say that it resembles Duck, but I do not recognize it as clone.
  If I want to clone, why do not I silently produce and sell on the market.
  However, I decided not to use the design again.

  And instead of this design.

 

 

  I just finished it today, I have reduced the height down front. And the overall keyboard will tilt 8 degrees.


To make things legit, I would count the time from the order of prototype until the anodizing was complete and I was holding on.

So you can evaluate the quality / production time.

And then I calculated the production time for GB.

Price will be below $ 230 (including: Case / Plate / PCB soldered)


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UPDATE:

Layout Support:



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UPDATE:

Here we go











It looks really great, far beyond my expectations.
 But there are a few bugs I will need to fix.
Today is June 20. So after ~ 30 days. This is what we will get.
Hopefully 660 Owl's PCB will be OK, I can not wait any longer.

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UPDATE:

PCB has finished, I will test a few points before opening GB.







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UPDATE: Final design plate


« Last Edit: Mon, 02 July 2018, 01:55:31 by QiuFang »

Offline xondat

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 07:51:51 »
Looks like a Duck clone.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 08:25:27 »
Looks like a Duck clone.

Harsh but true.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 08:27:01 »
Do you have the PCB designed already?

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 08:57:21 »
Hi everyone, After a while study, I also want to start custom keyboard design: p

  So, below is my first design.

Show Image


Show Image


Road Map:
- Design complete: (in May)
- Order Prototype:
- Check prototype, drawing, production speed.
- Open Group Buy.


Feel free to ask me anything. :P

I love the 660M layout more than most people, but yeah, this is a straight-up Duck clone, down from the feet to the 3 dots.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 10:42:05 »
Will you make the real keyboard before starting the GB or just renders? 
Maybe something to make it less like a Duck? 




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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 10:46:18 »

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 10:53:46 »
True, it looks like a duck design, but Duck hasn't made anything resembling the 660m layout. Let's keep this in mind before we start slinging mud.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 11:01:45 »
True, it looks like a duck design, but Duck hasn't made anything resembling the 660m layout. Let's keep this in mind before we start slinging mud.

Okay, I'll keep it in mind.

Still looks like a Duck clone.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 11:06:27 »
Aside from the Duck clone stuff, the front is way too high, looks like it would be very uncomfortable to type on.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #10 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 11:09:41 »
True, it looks like a duck design, but Duck hasn't made anything resembling the 660m layout. Let's keep this in mind before we start slinging mud.

that's true, but if Duck were to, it would look like this

195112-0

doesn't necessarily make this a bad kb, just an unoriginal one

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 11:15:15 »
This is not a duck, it's an owl. Completely different animal.

Interested in 660m layout, I'll still around to see how this develops past the duck looking keyboard.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 12:57:11 »
I love the 660 layout so I'm definitely interested, but, man, the front is really tall. Could you provide the dimensions of the front?

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #13 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 12:58:48 »
I like it but it's straight up a duck clone.Maybe modify the feet/bottom design a little.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #14 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 13:26:03 »
I like the 660m design, not a fan of the blatant Duck ripoff - but if you are going to improve upon Duck's design maybe change the case angle from 11 degrees to 8 degrees.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #15 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 13:58:21 »
Pretty sure WASD did the minimal indicators on a keyboard first with the Code over four years ago, I don’t remember seeing them on a Duck keyboard until the second Viper/Eagle correct me if I’m wrong...

There are really only so many side profiles a keyboard can be reasonably expected to have. Either it’s just a box or you do something with angle cuts and people make allusions to the Hammer case... I’ve seen novel designs (such as the Dolphin) but they’re acquired tastes. Most keyboard designs are retreading a lot of ground, Duck included. The black bird was an amalgam of an FC660 and 1800, the new one looks to me like a little spin on the G80-5000 footprint.

Honestly how far can this notion of intellectual property go? We’re kind of exhausting our options here.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #16 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 14:02:49 »
I agree with others assesment of it being a clone/unorginal. I don't think this is a bad thing as long as it improves upon the design.

Speaking of which, that front is super high. Looks painful. Yet the profile is so flat.

I would prefer a lower front. Just my opinion.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #17 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 15:14:31 »
It is becoming common place to see these massive waste of machining time,  lacking innovation.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #18 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 16:50:42 »
I don’t remember seeing them on a Duck keyboard until the second Viper/Eagle correct me if I’m wrong...
Orion V2 from 2015

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #19 on: Sat, 05 May 2018, 18:22:17 »
I don’t remember seeing them on a Duck keyboard until the second Viper/Eagle correct me if I’m wrong...
Orion V2 from 2015

Ah I stand corrected, only a little bit after WASD actually released the Code

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #20 on: Sun, 06 May 2018, 01:27:29 »
This looks sick. In if priced nicely :)

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #21 on: Sun, 06 May 2018, 04:51:31 »
so tired of the community saying everything is a copy of something else. I mean lets be real everyone copied Remington No. 2 typewriter cause it was the first board with a shift key.. lets remove shift keys cause yep can't copy even remotely anyone else design cause creating a box shape to fit a uniform standardized switch.. can be done a infinite amount of way's with 100% genuine uniqueness every-time. Honestly if it comes in cheaper and looks just as nice as the duck it might have been copied from. I am all for this perhaps duck shouldn't limit there buy's so much are come in at a more expensive cost. Could you see if something like the automotive community acted like this! We wouldn't have car's with headlights are tail lights cause.. whelp someone else did them so copying them is ripping off the design.

Honestly I like the design but as other's said its a bit steep. The profile looks nice except the feet. I am not a fan of those at all. I would lower the front angle a bit. Though overall very nice board! Hope the community doesn't turn you off from trying to bring it to life. Unless duck has a patent some were claiming there design.. I wouldn't sweat the small things. I would even bet it be hard to patent a physical keyboard design anyway not to mention cost associated with such a project.

Offline papa

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #22 on: Sun, 06 May 2018, 05:12:34 »
THIS IS DUCK!!!
Nice copy job, most derivative board of 2018.
So, instead of buying an ugly copy,I will buy another real things!

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 06 May 2018, 07:30:08 »
I mean if it's priced well then who cares? The market has demand and if it's affordable it's a given that people will buy something like this no matter who releases it.

I, for one, would buy this if the price is right.

Offline QiuFang

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 06 May 2018, 10:41:46 »
Hi everyone,
   I have read all the comments.

  I think such a design would be very optimized production process. And I corrected the ratio to the most reasonable. You can say that it resembles Duck, but I do not recognize it as clone.
  If I want to clone, why do not I silently produce and sell on the market.
  However, I decided not to use the design again.

  And instead of this design.

 

 

  I just finished it today, I have reduced the height down front. And the overall keyboard will tilt 8 degrees.


To make things legit, I would count the time from the order of prototype until the anodizing was complete and I was holding on.

So you can evaluate the quality / production time.

And then I calculated the production time for GB.

Price will be below $ 230 (including: Case / Plate / PCB soldered)

Last, sorry for my bad english.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #25 on: Sun, 06 May 2018, 11:03:31 »
Love the new design concept. Only thing that irks me personally is the thickness of the front of the top casing. 23mm, can't tell if the render makes it seem thick but i'd like a more of a slimmer bezel towards the front. An angled top casing if you would say. Looks significantly better than the original imo btw though, will be keeping up with the project

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #26 on: Sun, 06 May 2018, 11:33:07 »
Love the new design concept. Only thing that irks me personally is the thickness of the front of the top casing. 23mm, can't tell if the render makes it seem thick but i'd like a more of a slimmer bezel towards the front. An angled top casing if you would say. Looks significantly better than the original imo btw though, will be keeping up with the project


Seconded.

The front height is what is putting me off.
« Last Edit: Sun, 06 May 2018, 12:57:53 by Snappo »

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #27 on: Sun, 06 May 2018, 12:05:10 »
New design is much better!

Lower front height and I'd be in too.

Extra points if brass plate extra option is possible.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #28 on: Sun, 06 May 2018, 12:30:13 »
I am really sad you had to change the design so much.. keep in mind most the people complaining most likely own a duck board and are just worried yours might be of superior quality lowering there overall value. I have noticed that happen a lot in the community you get a few that will complain XYZ is to close to there expensive custom. Then no one say's anything cause there so worried they might step on someone's toes and get them selfs banned from some future sale. All that kinda attitude does is hurt the community as a hole.

Still this board looks nice! I would still most likely be interested special at your price point. I can't wait to see a prototype.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #29 on: Sun, 06 May 2018, 12:49:04 »
This is much more your own design, It’s very nice! But it’s true that is still quite high in the front, I would absolutely limit it to 20mm max.

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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 06 May 2018, 12:56:18 »
Agree with HotRoderX and also with Mcnos comments. But overall very excited for your project  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #31 on: Sun, 06 May 2018, 13:00:33 »
Hi everyone,
   I have read all the comments.

  I think such a design would be very optimized production process. And I corrected the ratio to the most reasonable. You can say that it resembles Duck, but I do not recognize it as clone.
  If I want to clone, why do not I silently produce and sell on the market.
  However, I decided not to use the design again.

  And instead of this design.

 
Show Image


 
Show Image


  I just finished it today, I have reduced the height down front. And the overall keyboard will tilt 8 degrees.


To make things legit, I would count the time from the order of prototype until the anodizing was complete and I was holding on.

So you can evaluate the quality / production time.

And then I calculated the production time for GB.

Price will be below $ 230 (including: Case / Plate / PCB soldered)

Last, sorry for my bad english.
Wow awesome price. What would the color options be?

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Offline The_judge_168

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #32 on: Sun, 06 May 2018, 14:41:09 »
New design looks good, though I agree that I would be interested in a lower front

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #33 on: Sun, 06 May 2018, 15:58:42 »
I like it! Also liked the old one but new one is better :D would also like it to be just a but lower :P


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« Reply #34 on: Sun, 06 May 2018, 18:29:17 »
$230 is a fantastic price for that setup. Definitely in  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #35 on: Sun, 06 May 2018, 19:43:17 »
Preferred the old design which stings because the old design at $230 would have been amazing.

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« Reply #36 on: Sun, 06 May 2018, 20:49:39 »
yes!

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« Reply #37 on: Sun, 06 May 2018, 23:15:17 »
new design is a little boring, but this is a neat looking piece of kit
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« Reply #38 on: Mon, 07 May 2018, 16:42:06 »
Bump for interest :D

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« Reply #39 on: Mon, 07 May 2018, 17:24:36 »
I much prefer the older design.

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« Reply #40 on: Mon, 07 May 2018, 17:29:10 »
I much prefer the older design.
Same

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« Reply #41 on: Mon, 07 May 2018, 17:40:33 »
I much prefer the older design.
Same
Well he got a lot of backlash for it, so he had to change it sadly.

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« Reply #42 on: Mon, 07 May 2018, 18:45:34 »
I much prefer the older design.
Same
Well he got a lot of backlash for it, so he had to change it sadly.

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Didn't necessarily have to but I guess I understand why.

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« Reply #43 on: Mon, 07 May 2018, 20:59:00 »
keep in mind most the people complaining most likely own a duck board and are just worried yours might be of superior quality lowering there overall value.

Now now, we don't yet know how this GB is going, let's not assume anything here. As OP is a new GH member, a healthy dose of cautiousness is good for everyone. Caveat emptor and such.

This is a small scene, so let's not disrespect each other by copying someone else's signature design. We've seen that there are still a lot of creative ways to make custom cases (look at the ALF X3 or the COD67 or similar), so why do something boring AND risk being branded a clone?

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« Reply #44 on: Mon, 07 May 2018, 21:15:04 »
New design looks better, but it is a lot like this case. I think the design could be modified a bit to make it look a bit nicer. I wonder if changing the acrylic layer to an acrylic band around the edge of the case would allow you to lower the plate and PCB, which would allow you to lower the front height of the case.

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« Reply #45 on: Mon, 07 May 2018, 21:16:56 »
Liked the older design better. wouldn't mind having it look like a duck. now it looks like a kbdfans kbd66

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« Reply #46 on: Mon, 07 May 2018, 21:28:33 »
To OP Quifang, how many interests are you looking to get for this project btw?

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« Reply #47 on: Tue, 08 May 2018, 09:21:02 »
The price sounds good, unfortunately i'm not a fan of the new design.

Offline QiuFang

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #48 on: Tue, 08 May 2018, 11:54:51 »
To OP Quifang, how many interests are you looking to get for this project btw?

Actually I do this for myself, so the number is only about 10. I also want to do it fast.

Hi everyone,
   I have read all the comments.

  I think such a design would be very optimized production process. And I corrected the ratio to the most reasonable. You can say that it resembles Duck, but I do not recognize it as clone.
  If I want to clone, why do not I silently produce and sell on the market.
  However, I decided not to use the design again.

  And instead of this design.

 
Show Image


 
Show Image


  I just finished it today, I have reduced the height down front. And the overall keyboard will tilt 8 degrees.


To make things legit, I would count the time from the order of prototype until the anodizing was complete and I was holding on.

So you can evaluate the quality / production time.

And then I calculated the production time for GB.

Price will be below $ 230 (including: Case / Plate / PCB soldered)

Last, sorry for my bad english.
Wow awesome price. What would the color options be?

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Black/Silver/Teal/Deep Red/ Deep Navy ( maybe )
New design looks better, but it is a lot like this case. I think the design could be modified a bit to make it look a bit nicer. I wonder if changing the acrylic layer to an acrylic band around the edge of the case would allow you to lower the plate and PCB, which would allow you to lower the front height of the case.

I am also considering this possibility.

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« Reply #49 on: Tue, 08 May 2018, 11:59:24 »
Teal sounds awesome!

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« Reply #50 on: Tue, 08 May 2018, 12:11:43 »
Color options are nice. Im hoping there's more than ten available, or at least enough for the people interested in buying. The design and price point are very attractive.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #51 on: Wed, 09 May 2018, 00:34:25 »
I am one of the ones that liked the first design far better. I mean the price is reasonable but the design overall now is kinda meh! it looks just to generic. I mean there only so many way's to design a box. I Think the part liked about the original thought was the layers looked like the case was made up of like 4 layer's which looked pretty unique. It might have just been the render.. I am sure the people who complained it looked like a duck to start with didn't plan to buy in either way. I hope it does decently just yea can get the same thing off massdrop pretty much.

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« Reply #52 on: Thu, 10 May 2018, 12:47:18 »
Well dam, was going to jump in on this but the new design is just meh. If you're just making ~10 mostly for yourself, you should just go with the design that you like the most regardless of community backlash.

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« Reply #53 on: Thu, 10 May 2018, 19:21:20 »
Well dam, was going to jump in on this but the new design is just meh. If you're just making ~10 mostly for yourself, you should just go with the design that you like the most regardless of community backlash.

I do agree with this statement.

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« Reply #54 on: Fri, 11 May 2018, 00:58:18 »
Well dam, was going to jump in on this but the new design is just meh. If you're just making ~10 mostly for yourself, you should just go with the design that you like the most regardless of community backlash.

I do agree with this statement.
Are we seriously encouraging cloning and copying now? We should be better than that.

I'm sure people will buy the original design. Just as people will buy all the Android phones copying the iPhone X's notch. But does that what we want this scene to become? People copying each other without any attribution or gratitude?

There are more than a few ways to design a box. That is the entire raison d'être of this board.
If OP wants the reputation of a Duck cloner who simply takes one of Duck's CADs and cut it down to fit the 660 layout (which is easier than you'd think. I tried it before.), then sure go ahead.

OP is also more than welcomed to go back to the drawing board and create a more attractive design than the current one. That's what ICs are for, gathering feedbacks and iterating.
« Last Edit: Fri, 11 May 2018, 00:59:58 by nguyenhimself »

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #55 on: Fri, 11 May 2018, 02:31:31 »
Well dam, was going to jump in on this but the new design is just meh. If you're just making ~10 mostly for yourself, you should just go with the design that you like the most regardless of community backlash.

I do agree with this statement.
Are we seriously encouraging cloning and copying now? We should be better than that.

I'm sure people will buy the original design. Just as people will buy all the Android phones copying the iPhone X's notch. But does that what we want this scene to become? People copying each other without any attribution or gratitude?

There are more than a few ways to design a box. That is the entire raison d'être of this board.
If OP wants the reputation of a Duck cloner who simply takes one of Duck's CADs and cut it down to fit the 660 layout (which is easier than you'd think. I tried it before.), then sure go ahead.

OP is also more than welcomed to go back to the drawing board and create a more attractive design than the current one. That's what ICs are for, gathering feedbacks and iterating.

This is stupid lets just be honest! What point isn't something a clone! I mean ever single board out there is a clone of something in all its many parts. Then the fact Duck's never even ran a board in this particular layout/style/size.. is just the icing. I mean damn lets get brutal with it. Duck cloned the LED's off a Code board... from WASD... heck while where at it why don't we go jump The Norbaforce also ((which I am proudly a part of The group buy and excited)) its basically a design clone of a Topre Realforce TKL.. This is one of the things that makes me so frustrated at the community in general and I think pushes new people away among other things. I mean just because something is similar doesn't make it a Clone. A clone would be taking one of Duck's current offerings and making a DIRECT duplicate of it.. That would be messed up but creating another product with inspiration from another is by no means. Why don't we jump puddsy or Zambumon over Yolch and Serika.... there both yellow colorway's being ran at the same time. both in Cherry profile! I mean so obviously by logic one is a clone of the other even if not a direct copy.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #56 on: Fri, 11 May 2018, 03:20:29 »
One could say the second design looks like the LZ CLS. Some keyboards have a pretty unique layout, let's say the Duck TC-V3 for example. But let's all be honest, about 80% of the IC's here have some resemblance to existing keyboards, there can only be so much innovation.

And even though at first sight I liked the second design more, after looking at it more I kinda like the first one better now :P

What -could- be an idea, is to simply send Duck a message to ask his opinion?

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #57 on: Fri, 11 May 2018, 05:56:17 »
Well dam, was going to jump in on this but the new design is just meh. If you're just making ~10 mostly for yourself, you should just go with the design that you like the most regardless of community backlash.

I do agree with this statement.
Are we seriously encouraging cloning and copying now? We should be better than that.

I'm sure people will buy the original design. Just as people will buy all the Android phones copying the iPhone X's notch. But does that what we want this scene to become? People copying each other without any attribution or gratitude?

There are more than a few ways to design a box. That is the entire raison d'être of this board.
If OP wants the reputation of a Duck cloner who simply takes one of Duck's CADs and cut it down to fit the 660 layout (which is easier than you'd think. I tried it before.), then sure go ahead.

OP is also more than welcomed to go back to the drawing board and create a more attractive design than the current one. That's what ICs are for, gathering feedbacks and iterating.

The new design could be construed to take aesthetic elements from a:

KBD75
XD84
XD24
Mira SE
AMJ96
TGR Jane (With diffuser)
TGR 910
Red Scarf III/ZZ96
LZ CLS

The list of tall cases with mid-sized bezels using an acrylic defuser could go on really - As well as that, some of these cases have an extremely similar bottom case design to the Owl's new design. If anything, the new design is yet again a copy of other designs.

The whole "Only Duck can do that!" shtick makes no sense when the alternative is to go with a design that's even more wide spread. Not to mention that both the TADA68's alu and plastic case are almost the exact same as the Duck design:





But we as a community seem to have embraced this board without ****ting a brick? At what point are we allowed to say "Well X design element hasn't been used by *insert maker here* for awhile, so now it's okay someone else to use it"? Customizing being the niche that it is, it really makes zero sense that any one person should "own" the way a keyboard looks.

I for one would still love to see the original design and would 100% purchase it.
« Last Edit: Fri, 11 May 2018, 06:11:41 by Tree_ »

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 11 May 2018, 06:38:44 »
This is not that it takes one design feature from several boards, the thing is that it uses ALL the design features that Duck boards has. For me the first design was a slap in the face to Duck.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #59 on: Fri, 11 May 2018, 07:24:26 »
whichever design you decide to move forward with I am down. its been too long till we have a decent 660 layout custom with underglow. not counting the lz-st but that was too limited in the amount of colors.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #60 on: Fri, 11 May 2018, 08:49:11 »
I really like this keyboard, I would definitely get it, I am in for a GB.

I also like the first version of the design, which some called a duck clone. I don;t think it is. It has similarities to duck but there are similarities between other keyboards too.


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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #61 on: Mon, 14 May 2018, 07:23:32 »
Update:

 Layout Support


« Last Edit: Mon, 14 May 2018, 07:39:08 by QiuFang »

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« Reply #62 on: Mon, 14 May 2018, 07:27:04 »
Update:

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is it too difficult to add stepped caps lock?

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« Reply #63 on: Mon, 14 May 2018, 07:30:40 »
Update:

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is it too difficult to add stepped caps lock?

My misstake, will add step Caplock

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #64 on: Mon, 14 May 2018, 14:02:12 »
Is the PCB going to be type-c?

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #65 on: Mon, 14 May 2018, 18:08:43 »
No split spacebar?

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #66 on: Tue, 15 May 2018, 01:33:33 »
holy balls..

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #67 on: Tue, 15 May 2018, 02:11:00 »
I like both designs, but liked the first way more.

Who gives a **** if some users want to nitpick on some hipster shtick about it being derivative of another kit. Just make what you want for yourself and others will surely join in if they like the design.

Even if you got no detractors here someone would have smugly chimed in eventually, be it on the group buy or when buyers post their builds. Everyone gets haters.

Rant over. I think the side-underglow/downglow deal on the new design seems interesting. Whatever you decide, I'm interested in seeing final products of any kind. Good luck OP
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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #68 on: Tue, 15 May 2018, 14:02:08 »
I agree with the comments saying that it looks like a duck keyboard, but that design looks miles better than the non duck looking one!

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #69 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 08:53:43 »
I emailed Duck's comments on the first design. And he does not agree. So I will never use the first design anymore.

I respect all copyrights, and hope everyone is the same


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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #70 on: Wed, 16 May 2018, 15:17:29 »
I emailed Duck's comments on the first design. And he does not agree. So I will never use the first design anymore.

Damn. Do you think you will try some different designs, or keep going in the direction of your 2nd one?

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« Reply #71 on: Sat, 19 May 2018, 11:13:19 »
I ordered the prototype. Let's see how many days there will be prototype on hand

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #72 on: Tue, 22 May 2018, 10:38:06 »
Look forward to it. Would love more 660 options out there.

Also, I guess I am confused, can I see a side-by-side of the first and second (current) designs?
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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #73 on: Tue, 29 May 2018, 14:09:27 »
Is this still happening?

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #74 on: Wed, 30 May 2018, 21:12:59 »
also still interested in this

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #75 on: Fri, 01 June 2018, 12:08:11 »
a deep navy blue would be awesome.

Will the plate be aluminum or stainless steel?
Would appreciate stainless steel =D
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« Reply #76 on: Fri, 01 June 2018, 16:25:36 »
Interested in this dropping as well.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #77 on: Wed, 06 June 2018, 00:46:41 »
Any updates on the proto?

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #78 on: Wed, 06 June 2018, 05:14:31 »
A split backspace would be nice as well :)

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« Reply #79 on: Wed, 06 June 2018, 06:15:30 »
Any updates on the proto?
It seems he ordered a proto around May 19th. I would probably be a bit more patient. I'm really looking forward to getting into this run as there are nothing but crappy 66 designs out.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #80 on: Fri, 15 June 2018, 13:30:15 »
very interested are the colours decide yet?

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #81 on: Fri, 15 June 2018, 15:18:33 »
Is this still alive?  :))

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #82 on: Sat, 16 June 2018, 10:10:58 »
ISO?

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #83 on: Sat, 16 June 2018, 11:03:48 »
Prototype CNC finished. In the next 2 days I will update the image. It's pretty cool.

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« Reply #84 on: Sat, 16 June 2018, 11:34:18 »
Prototype CNC finished. In the next 2 days I will update the image. It's pretty cool.
nice :thumb:

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« Reply #85 on: Sat, 16 June 2018, 11:36:05 »
Oof, cant wait for pictures

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #86 on: Sat, 16 June 2018, 11:46:51 »
I actually preferred the Owl Nightsaver design to this owLZ-CLS.
But I am a simple man, I see 660 layout I press "Buy"  :thumb:

Alps support? Or do I have to go cut my own plate again...

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #87 on: Sat, 16 June 2018, 13:37:38 »
To op, I love both designs and what you are doing trying to avoid trouble with other designers, but in the future, i hope that you will stand strong to what you design cause it was something you believed in. dont let you design get put down because of certain people. I dont see it an a clone but more of an inspiration where you have built it on above something.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #88 on: Sun, 17 June 2018, 02:26:06 »
To op, I love both designs and what you are doing trying to avoid trouble with other designers, but in the future, i hope that you will stand strong to what you design cause it was something you believed in. dont let you design get put down because of certain people. I dont see it an a clone but more of an inspiration where you have built it on above something.

exactly! after all...almost everything is a clone of something..with their own unique take.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #89 on: Sun, 17 June 2018, 03:09:55 »
To op, I love both designs and what you are doing trying to avoid trouble with other designers, but in the future, i hope that you will stand strong to what you design cause it was something you believed in. dont let you design get put down because of certain people. I dont see it an a clone but more of an inspiration where you have built it on above something.

exactly! after all...almost everything is a clone of something..with their own unique take.
Well, the problem is that he contacted Duck himself and he was against the idea unfortunately...

I'm all for sticking to your designs but I'd also err on the side of caution for fear of causing some sort of bad blood.

Looking forward to the prototype!

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #90 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 01:34:17 »
Prototype is complete! including anodizing

It's so exciting !! I can not wait for deliveries to my house, maybe after finishing my work I will get my package at the post office.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #91 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 02:56:54 »
Prototype is complete! including anodizing

It's so exciting !! I can not wait for deliveries to my house, maybe after finishing my work I will get my package at the post office.

this is great news! really excited for this to start!

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #92 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 06:31:37 »
Looks nice. Looking forward to see the prototype.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #93 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 08:42:56 »
Here we go











It looks really great, far beyond my expectations.
 But there are a few bugs I will need to fix.
Today is June 20. So after ~ 30 days. This is what we will get.
Hopefully 660 Owl's PCB will be OK, I can not wait any longer.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #94 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 08:50:23 »
Here we go

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It looks really great, far beyond my expectations.
 But there are a few bugs I will need to fix.
Today is June 20. So after ~ 30 days. This is what we will get.
Hopefully 660 Owl's PCB will be OK, I can not wait any longer.
just offer an iso plate and i am in :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #95 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 08:55:23 »
It looks great! Will the final plate/pcb support any other layouts?

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« Reply #96 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 09:02:05 »
Here we go

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It looks really great, far beyond my expectations.
 But there are a few bugs I will need to fix.
Today is June 20. So after ~ 30 days. This is what we will get.
Hopefully 660 Owl's PCB will be OK, I can not wait any longer.

looking good. will you be offering a middle diffuser with this?

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #97 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 09:43:41 »
Ye,The kit will come with a diffuser
Final plate will come with all layout below, and pcb mount.


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« Reply #98 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 09:46:31 »
Ye,The kit will come with a diffuser
Final plate will come with all layout below, and pcb mount.

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amazing  :thumb:

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« Reply #99 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 09:55:33 »
Ye,The kit will come with a diffuser
Final plate will come with all layout below, and pcb mount.

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have you decided on the colours ?

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #100 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 10:15:35 »
Looks nice though.
Missed the KBD661 though.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #101 on: Wed, 20 June 2018, 16:07:18 »
Sample looks nice! What will the color options be?

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #102 on: Thu, 21 June 2018, 02:52:01 »
Came out looking pretty good!  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout
« Reply #103 on: Thu, 21 June 2018, 10:01:28 »
Ye,The kit will come with a diffuser
Final plate will come with all layout below, and pcb mount.

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have you decided on the colours ?

I have a little discussion with the engineer, since this is my first attempt to open 1 GB. So I'll just stop at 3 basic colors: silver / black / red

  You know, many colors will have more risk of error as well as difficulty in ordering process.

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« Reply #104 on: Thu, 21 June 2018, 10:11:22 »
Sample looks nice! What will the color options be?

Silver/Black/Red.

 :thumb:

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oh wait? just notice it does not support split backspace on the plate.  :'(

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Proto looks good, did you lower the front angle? I can't tell from the pictures

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oh wait? just notice it does not support split backspace on the plate.  :'(
Fixed bottom row and no stepped caps either. I was mostly thinking it would be a “proto” thing and the end result will have more flexibility.


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oh wait? just notice it does not support split backspace on the plate.  :'(

This plate is just a test of the factory's ability to process.
Split space depends on the PCB

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Proto looks good, did you lower the front angle? I can't tell from the pictures

I did not change anything, still the same as the drawing I presented as the original.

Probably because I did not install the diffuser so it looks lower in the render.

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when are you planning on starting the GB?

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Looking forward to the GB! :thumb:
I'm not superstitious but I am a little stitious.

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will definitely pick up a black one

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when are you planning on starting the GB?

I'm going to learn a few more things, maybe today or tomorrow I will open the GB

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Looking forward to the GB! :thumb:

Thanks man!

will definitely pick up a black one

It's my pleasure

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Any chance we can get a picture of it from the left/right side when its built? So that we can see the angle and etc from that side.


Looking great though!

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any updates?

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PCB has finished, I will test a few points before opening GB.




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take your time and make sure that everything is working correctly

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Based on the pictures, the plate doesn't seem to support split backspace but the PCB does.
Will the final plate design be a universal one (supporting both split and non-split backspace) or do you plan to offer different plates for each?

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Based on the pictures, the plate doesn't seem to support split backspace but the PCB does.
Will the final plate design be a universal one (supporting both split and non-split backspace) or do you plan to offer different plates for each?
different plates would be better imo

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Ye, this plate I made a mistake, it even has no holes to plug the leds to the 3 signal lights anymore.

But in terms of size, it's pretty accurate. Final plate will be uni version. There are enough layouts that this pcb supports, as I have posted before.

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will you be exploring other coloring options such as MAO or cerakoting for this run?

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This is my first GB, I do not want to go wrong. I think it will only be silver and black.

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Ye, this plate I made a mistake, it even has no holes to plug the leds to the 3 signal lights anymore.

But in terms of size, it's pretty accurate. Final plate will be uni version. There are enough layouts that this pcb supports, as I have posted before.

Alright, I think it's a nice decision and it keeps it simple enough.

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Based on the pictures, the plate doesn't seem to support split backspace but the PCB does.
Will the final plate design be a universal one (supporting both split and non-split backspace) or do you plan to offer different plates for each?
different plates would be better imo

Ye, this plate I made a mistake, it even has no holes to plug the leds to the 3 signal lights anymore.

But in terms of size, it's pretty accurate. Final plate will be uni version. There are enough layouts that this pcb supports, as I have posted before.

Alright, I think it's a nice decision and it keeps it simple enough.

Final design plate:


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Based on the pictures, the plate doesn't seem to support split backspace but the PCB does.
Will the final plate design be a universal one (supporting both split and non-split backspace) or do you plan to offer different plates for each?
different plates would be better imo

Ye, this plate I made a mistake, it even has no holes to plug the leds to the 3 signal lights anymore.

But in terms of size, it's pretty accurate. Final plate will be uni version. There are enough layouts that this pcb supports, as I have posted before.

Alright, I think it's a nice decision and it keeps it simple enough.

Final design plate:

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Looking good :thumb:
Will the plate support stepped caps lock?

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So in! Let's start this GB :)

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Consider me interested  :thumb:

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Based on the pictures, the plate doesn't seem to support split backspace but the PCB does.
Will the final plate design be a universal one (supporting both split and non-split backspace) or do you plan to offer different plates for each?
different plates would be better imo

Ye, this plate I made a mistake, it even has no holes to plug the leds to the 3 signal lights anymore.

But in terms of size, it's pretty accurate. Final plate will be uni version. There are enough layouts that this pcb supports, as I have posted before.

Alright, I think it's a nice decision and it keeps it simple enough.

Final design plate:

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Looking good :thumb:
Will the plate support stepped caps lock?
Yes

Consider me interested  :thumb:
:thumb:
So in! Let's start this GB :)
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GB on air! waiting approval by a moderator.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout - Prototype/PCB ready! fix plate
« Reply #131 on: Mon, 15 October 2018, 07:17:55 »
 Is this a thing? A 66% with underglow has been my endgame since I started. I've been looking all over!
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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout - Prototype/PCB ready! fix plate
« Reply #132 on: Mon, 15 October 2018, 08:19:07 »
Is this a thing? A 66% with underglow has been my endgame since I started. I've been looking all over!
Umm you might just be a little late to the party?

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout - Prototype/PCB ready! fix plate
« Reply #133 on: Mon, 15 October 2018, 10:59:46 »
I always am... Damn. I really wanted something like this in Silver. I hope resale isn't too much.
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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout - Prototype/PCB ready! fix plate
« Reply #134 on: Mon, 15 October 2018, 11:12:32 »
I always am... Damn. I really wanted something like this in Silver. I hope resale isn't too much.

With only 10 units made...I think you'd be better off directly contacting TS/OP to see if he has an empty slot.

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout - Prototype/PCB ready! fix plate
« Reply #135 on: Mon, 15 October 2018, 18:37:42 »
QuiFang posted in the GB thread last month saying he might have spares: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96416.msg2657430#msg2657430

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Re: [IC] Owl 660 - custom keyboard 660m layout - Prototype/PCB ready! fix plate
« Reply #136 on: Tue, 16 October 2018, 04:07:09 »
Amazing board!