Post by: RedSuns on Sun, 04 June 2017, 23:27:02
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Description
A samurai themed keyset with colors inspired by the red armor of the legendary Madara Uchiha from Naruto Shippuuden.
Specs
- Designed by RedSuns
- Produced by GMK
- Doubleshot ABS
- MX compatible
- Made in Germany
- Compatible with standard, ISO, HHKB, 1800, FC660M, WKL, ErgoDox, Planck, 65%, 75%, etc
Included Kits
(http://i.imgur.com/mv5xXpl.png)
Base Kit
A base kit similar to the Nautilus, but includes an alternate color big 'Enter' button, barred F, J, 5, and a 2U Shift key.
(http://i.imgur.com/csR5x6y.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/3XyTpe6.png)
Hiragana Alphas Kit
Depending on how the legends go for the Laser, here are the current possibilities.
Gaijin - Latin Legends & Hiragana Sublegends [Alphas Only]
Hiragana - Hiragana Monolegends [Alphas Only]
(http://i.imgur.com/AWmAdO5.png)
Novelties Kit
Not sure if it can be made. Suggestions/ideas are welcomed.
Inspired by:
- R1 1U Madara Uchiha's Perfect Susanoo Head
- R1 1U Japanese kanji for "Ninja"
- R1 1U Shurikens
- R1 1U Uchiha Madara's Gunbai and Kama
- R1 1U Akatsuki Cloud
- R1 1U Samurai Helmet/Kabuto
- R1 2U Katana w/ scabbard
- R2 1U Samurai Armor/Madara's Armor/Chestplate
- R3 2.25U Katana w/ scabbard (2 colors)
- R4 1.25U Japanese kanji for "Samurai" (x2)
- R4 1.5U Japanese kanji for "Samurai" (x2)
- R4 1.25U Kakashi's Kamui Shuriken (x2)
- R4 1.5U Kakashi's Kamui Shuriken (x2)
Other:
- R3 1U VIM HJKL arrow keys
- R4 1U '00' key
- R4 1U 'Hack' key
- R4 1U Alternate color arrow keys
More
Past Novelties ideas:
1) First idea
(http://i.imgur.com/uT6wTD8.png)
- Sanada Clan
- Toyotomi Clan
- Tokugawa Clan
- Senju Clan
- Uchiha Clan
- Konoha village
2) Second idea
(http://i.imgur.com/SfRAPnJ.png)
- Samurai helmet from the Amaterasu set head in MapleStory game
3) Third idea
(http://i.imgur.com/0RhaJ71.png)
Inspired by:
- Oni Genji's Samurai sword from Overwatch
- Genji's classic SHURIKEN spray from Overwatch
- Uchiha Madara's Gunbai
- Uchiha Madara's Kama
- Samurai Helmet & Menpo
4) Fourth Idea
(http://i.imgur.com/VpLJCEn.png)
- Akatsuki cloud
- Genji's classic SHURIKEN spray from Overwatch
- Uchiha Madara's Gunbai
- Uchiha Madara's Kama
- Samurai Helmet & Menpo
4) Fifth Idea
(http://i.imgur.com/Fz0ObOx.png)
Inspired by:
- Madara Uchiha's Perfect Susanoo Head
- Madara Uchiha's Perfect Susanoo Sword
- Kakashi's Kamui Shuriken
- Uchiha Madara's Gunbai and Kama
- Akatsuki Cloud
- Kakashi's Kamui Shuriken (Paired)
Other:
- VIM HJKL Arrow Keys
- 1U '00' Key
- 1U 'Hack' Key
- Alternate Color Arrow Keys
6) Sixth Idea
(http://i.imgur.com/x9HnLff.png)
Inspired by:
- R1 1U Madara Uchiha's Perfect Susanoo Head
- R1 1U Japanese kanji for "Ninja"
- R1 1U Shurikens
- R1 1U Uchiha Madara's Gunbai and Kama
- R1 1U Akatsuki Cloud
- R1 1U Samurai Helmet/Kabuto
- R1 2U Katana w/ scabbard
- R3 2.25U Katana w/ scabbard (2 colors)
- R4 1.25U Japanese kanji for "Samurai" (x2)
- R4 1.5U Japanese kanji for "Samurai" (x2)
- R4 1.25U Kakashi's Kamui Shuriken (x2)
- R4 1.5U Kakashi's Kamui Shuriken (x2)
(http://i.imgur.com/ybZG3ks.png)
Norde Kit
The Norde kit provides a good amount of Danish, Finnish, German, Norwegian, and Swedish characters for foreign layouts. Let me know if it is missing anything important.
(http://i.imgur.com/cYY65RL.png)
DC Kit
The DC kit contains the usual keys for Dvorak and Colemak with the R3 homing barred and scooped H, U, N, T keys.
(http://i.imgur.com/pVzUrTW.png)
ErgoPlanck Kit
The ErgoDox and Planck blanks kit containing the modifiers for ErgoDox and Planck. Similar to the Laser. Let me know if you need something different here.
(http://i.imgur.com/BUPrF6q.png)
Spacebars Kit
Alternative color 6U Centered Stem(x1), 6U Off-Centered Stem(x1), 6.25U, 7U, and the basic spacebars in 1.75U, 2.00U, 2.25U, and 2.75U for split and 40% keyboards.
Render Gallery
(http://i.imgur.com/MwyKIRd.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/8xGFocK.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/GOczuGN.png)
Acknowledgements
Special thanks to potatobot, Arallu, livingspeedbump, and those providing me with advice and feedback for this project. And of course, thesiscamper, for the beautiful 3D renders.
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Updates
7/25:
Updated Novelties kit.
7/22:
Added DC kit. Updated Spacebars kit.
7/18:
Updated Norde kit and Novelties kit.
7/11:
Updated Base kit and Novelties kit.
7/7:
Updated Norde kit.
7/3 - 7/4:
Updated Novelties kit.
6/30:
Updated Novelties and Base kit.
6/29:
Re-added Spacebars kit and Norde kit.
6/28:
New 3D renders created by thesiscamper added. Made a few/minor changes to base kit.
6/24 - 6/25:
Added Novelties again. Updated Novelties.
6/23:
Updated the Base Kit near the big 'Enter' button area. Removed Novelties, Norde Kit, and Spacebars Kit.
6/18:
Opened a Massdrop poll for an interest check. Please vote here (http://bit.ly/RedSamuraiPoll) to help make this keyset happen!
Post by: Myan on Sun, 04 June 2017, 23:30:34
Looks great !
Post by: ns90 on Sun, 04 June 2017, 23:32:24
Post by: scwoopz on Sun, 04 June 2017, 23:34:11
I'd say you could run it in cherry profile (gmk, maybe?). You could also run it in MaxKey SA profile which are the old SA molds that Signature Plastics sold to MaxKey in China. That has much shorter lead times and better prices. If you want cherry profile, you could also try JTK!
Just throwing out some ideas. It's a wonderful set, and I'd consider buying it (would be a definite buy if I had funds)
Post by: Arallu on Sun, 04 June 2017, 23:51:05
Dyesub requires darker ink than the base color too. I'm not sure reverse dyesub would work either, pad printing may be feasible though.
Post by: superdoedoe on Sun, 04 June 2017, 23:53:44
Post by: potatobot on Mon, 05 June 2017, 00:11:25
Post by: ArchDill on Mon, 05 June 2017, 00:16:37
Post by: ..//dexx on Mon, 05 June 2017, 00:23:14
Post by: BlackInk on Mon, 05 June 2017, 00:26:58
Post by: ..//dexx on Mon, 05 June 2017, 00:34:42
Post by: bthezebra on Mon, 05 June 2017, 00:38:12
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Post by: potatobot on Mon, 05 June 2017, 00:55:26
Has there ever been a triple shot ABS key set? Or this could possibly the first one?
No tripleshot sets yet. But yuri was initially designed for tripleshot, but its going to be expensive.
Post by: scwoopz on Mon, 05 June 2017, 01:31:20
This looks hella sick! The colourways look really similar to GMK Plums Choice of Colours, but that could just be me. Either way these are awesome and along this interest process i hope they grow even more amazing!Yes but no. And the fact that this is so different I'm sure Jessica wouldn't care.
When can we get over the colorway meme anyway?
Post by: pomk on Mon, 05 June 2017, 03:10:42
Post by: RedSuns on Mon, 05 June 2017, 03:24:48
Do you plan on supporting some japanese layout with this set, or are the sublegends there just for the weeaboo aesthetic?
As of this moment, I am still trying to figure out what's possible here. It's still in the planning stage. I am reading the feedback to see which direction I should go.
Post by: oatmicro on Mon, 05 June 2017, 07:11:44
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Post by: dblack on Mon, 05 June 2017, 16:37:41
Post by: switchnollie on Wed, 07 June 2017, 00:04:25
If you did doubleshot with pad printed sub legends the orange plastic fonts may look a shade off from the orange printed ones.
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 07 June 2017, 05:41:47
Is this a reference to the Renraku Red Samurai?
Nope, it is anime-related, but you guys can refer to whatever you like.
Since the number row isn't black like the alphas that might cause some inconsistencies.
If you did doubleshot with pad printed sub legends the orange plastic fonts may look a shade off from the orange printed ones.
Well, if that matters then I'll change that later today and update the images again. So, it is possible with pad printing...Can GMK do this? I read if you do pad-printing, it lowers the longevity of the keycap. But then again, if it works, the set can happen. Pad-printing is also more affordable right?
Post by: ..//dexx on Wed, 07 June 2017, 06:04:30
Well, if that matters then I'll change that later today and update the images again. So, it is possible with pad printing...Can GMK do this? I read if you do pad-printing, it lowers the longevity of the keycap. But then again, if it works, the set can happen. Pad-printing is also more affordable right?
Yes, pad printing is a lot more affordable. In sacrifice of quality. It's not exactly up to par to double shot. Personally, I think pad printing the sub legends would ruin the beauty of this set. Why not have the legends and sub legends be the same color?
Post by: ideus on Wed, 07 June 2017, 06:08:20
Post by: a_ak57 on Wed, 07 June 2017, 07:19:32
Post by: ..//dexx on Wed, 07 June 2017, 07:44:59
Pad-printing would be kinda eh. I think the best option is to just use the light brown for both legends like you have on the number row. And tbh I find the black legends to be pretty hard to read anyway.
+1 I agree. The two tone legends would look nice and give the set character but if the choice is to make it work is pad printing, just nix the entire idea and go with a single color for both.
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 07 June 2017, 18:01:11
Since the number row isn't black like the alphas that might cause some inconsistencies.
If you did doubleshot with pad printed sub legends the orange plastic fonts may look a shade off from the orange printed ones.
Updated. Images 1 and 2.
You should contact GMK for the available colors.
Will do.
Pad-printing would be kinda eh. I think the best option is to just use the light brown for both legends like you have on the number row. And tbh I find the black legends to be pretty hard to read anyway.
+1 I agree. The two tone legends would look nice and give the set character but if the choice is to make it work is pad printing, just nix the entire idea and go with a single color for both.
Added Images 3 to 6. I was thinking of keeping it black for the look I was going for, but I guess I should just go with the light brown/yellow.
Post by: bciamny on Wed, 07 June 2017, 18:36:54
Post by: a_ak57 on Wed, 07 June 2017, 19:00:18
Added Images 3 to 6. I was thinking of keeping it black for the look I was going for, but I guess I should just go with the light brown/yellow.
Well, there's no harm in throwing up a couple more pics showing what it'd look like with black legends instead of the light brown. After all, while you should listen to feedback, you shouldn't really run a set too different from what you wanted to do thematically.
By the way, while you're waiting to get someone to do some high quality renders, you could use this to create some placeholder renders:
http://kle-render.herokuapp.com
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 07 June 2017, 20:42:04
Well, there's no harm in throwing up a couple more pics showing what it'd look like with black legends instead of the light brown. After all, while you should listen to feedback, you shouldn't really run a set too different from what you wanted to do thematically.
By the way, while you're waiting to get someone to do some high quality renders, you could use this to create some placeholder renders:
http://kle-render.herokuapp.com
Thanks for the link :). Added the high-quality renders. I decided to keep the legends yellow/light brown instead of the black to see it easier since that site needs better font support. Without it, the black is almost non-existent with the current red base color.
Post by: xantiema on Fri, 09 June 2017, 17:52:41
Post by: RedSuns on Fri, 09 June 2017, 18:54:56
Any chance for an 'only' japanese legends version? :cool:
I've added images of what that might look like. I think most people would prefer the both English and Japanese legends just in case they don't know which key they are pressing. On the other hand, the Japanese only legends looks cool too. It could be more expensive, so there might be a poll in the future.
Post by: BlackInk on Sat, 10 June 2017, 04:01:21
Post by: ..//dexx on Sat, 10 June 2017, 04:36:09
Post by: superdoedoe on Sat, 10 June 2017, 05:30:45
Post by: Quakemz on Sat, 10 June 2017, 06:01:11
Post by: rm-rf on Sat, 10 June 2017, 06:09:12
it might be difficult to get the exact results that are in the pictures you have right now. especially with gmk.
good luck with this.
Post by: ..//dexx on Sat, 10 June 2017, 07:01:14
Post by: xantiema on Sat, 10 June 2017, 10:26:45
Any chance for Japanese novelties on the number row?
Post by: RedSuns on Tue, 13 June 2017, 23:56:33
We need this set to be drop as soon as possible :-* :p i would pass everything just gor this set
Depends if it can reach MOQ.
The Hiragana characters only is beautiful. But it might not be a popular choice for everyone. I don't have a problem if the set goes hybrid or just Hiragana. I'm just so excited for this set.
We will see how it goes.
I'm with this set all the way! Renders look amazing, now i'm just waiting to see the renders for the rest.
I am currently having trouble 3D rendering the Hiragana legends.
this is a nice set, i really like the colors.
it might be difficult to get the exact results that are in the pictures you have right now. especially with gmk.
good luck with this.
Updated images and working on making it possible. The legends in the 3D renders are suppose to be Cherry profile like in the layout, but I am just working with what I have.
@RedSuns If you want more feedback, you can try to post an IC thread in Reddit, either in /r/mechmarket or /r/mechanicalkeyboards. We've got a huge community over there.
I think I will do that soon.
The colors are so fitting for a Samurai theme.
Any chance for Japanese novelties on the number row?
Possibly...uploaded some ideas for novelties just now.
Post by: ..//dexx on Wed, 14 June 2017, 01:23:39
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 14 June 2017, 01:40:24
Some of the novelties look to be too complicated to be printed on a 1U key. I'm no expert to novelties but if you would notice, a lot of novelties stick to very simple designs. Right now I'm looking and the Toyotomi and Tokugawa emblem have too many details in them. What about foregoing the lines in the emblem and just go with the outline?
That's what I thought too, but the Black Lotus keyset also has tiny lines so I thought it might be possible. Maybe we can fill in those lines. Would that ruin it too much? Do you have a suggestion for a novelty?
Post by: BlackInk on Wed, 14 June 2017, 03:40:56
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 14 June 2017, 04:36:18
Can you make a least a samurai helmet or face symbol for novelties
I will try. If you know someone who is good at making novelties, let me know.
Post by: Asbrodeus on Wed, 14 June 2017, 06:18:21
Post by: ..//dexx on Wed, 14 June 2017, 08:04:01
Some of the novelties look to be too complicated to be printed on a 1U key. I'm no expert to novelties but if you would notice, a lot of novelties stick to very simple designs. Right now I'm looking and the Toyotomi and Tokugawa emblem have too many details in them. What about foregoing the lines in the emblem and just go with the outline?
That's what I thought too, but the Black Lotus keyset also has tiny lines so I thought it might be possible. Maybe we can fill in those lines. Would that ruin it too much? Do you have a suggestion for a novelty?
I did a few quick edits trying to simplify the crests.
Post by: ..//dexx on Wed, 14 June 2017, 08:22:12
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 14 June 2017, 18:58:22
I did a few quick edits trying to simplify the crests.
Hey dexx. Thanks for trying to make the emblems. I really appreciate it.
You'll probably gonna need high resolution vector for this, but it's a start.
Thanks. I'll try to make it higher res.
Post by: hikasaki on Wed, 14 June 2017, 20:47:41
Post by: ppp on Thu, 15 June 2017, 08:52:58
Any chance at a spacebar kit/other kits?
Post by: RedSuns on Thu, 15 June 2017, 16:48:08
Will there be 1800 support with Gaijin base kit?
I am assuming the Base Kit should be fine if you get that. Updated the Gaijin kit without the numpad area for less confusion.
Looks great!
Any chance at a spacebar kit/other kits?
Added a Spacebars Kit. As for the other kits, I might add Ergodox/Planck and Euro Kit. After that, I will start a poll and see how it goes.
Post by: patersunny on Sun, 18 June 2017, 05:43:15
Post by: zeltner on Sun, 18 June 2017, 08:12:25
Post by: ms on Sun, 18 June 2017, 15:10:34
Post by: RedSuns on Sun, 18 June 2017, 17:40:07
I'm in, mostly for the colorway. Is there a chance of Apple cmd + option keys?
That depends on how many people would want this addition while keeping in mind the cost.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 18 June 2017, 18:16:38
But beyond that I think there are quite a few huge issues with the kit design.
First off, custom colors mean the price is inherently raised for each key as well as MOQ being 250 for each set individually, not total set sales. When people buy kits, they often shy away from sets where they need two or more kits to tip and one of the sets is low in sales.
Secondly, custom legends. You can pad print them, but that is honestly a bit of a waste for a GMK set. To make a custom mold with GMK the price is $500. Each. So quick math, to have a single custom legend set made, its going to be around $23,000. That will make the custom legend kit ~$160 if 250 people buy it (it essentially adds $90 to the cost of each kit at MOQ). Even a big set like YURI really had issues getting buyers for the Cyrillic kit, and Cyrillic sets have been one of the most popular non-english languages for years in this hobby. So trying to fund one, much less two brand new alpha kits is basically impossible at the current time.
Ergodox kit IS possible to succeed, but still is a fight. Being blank helps for sure. This isn't entirely unrealistic.
Novelties, with only 2, I'd work these into the base kit, help move the cost of those custom molds across all of the sets. If MOQ is met the cost per person will be nominal instead of trying to get 250 people just to buy that kit alone.
Finally, bars kit. This probably won't fly either. Bars are expensive. And as much as I think its great to think of supporting those odd layouts, at this point GMK is still just pretty difficult to do for them. People do ask for them, but when push comes to shove it never seems like the wallets are out for those kind of kits. Especially not 250 of them. Same for the Norde kit, I can pretty much guarantee that won't get remotely close to tipping.
If I were you I'd try to look at a lot of "all in one" sets and concentrate on a single manageable kit. You have some cool colors, that is the hard part and you did that well. If this was an SP set, I'd think it is realistic as it stands, but with GMK not so much.
Post by: RedSuns on Sun, 18 June 2017, 21:33:19
So I think your choice of colors is great :thumb:
But beyond that I think there are quite a few huge issues with the kit design.
First off, custom colors mean the price is inherently raised for each key as well as MOQ being 250 for each set individually, not total set sales. When people buy kits, they often shy away from sets where they need two or more kits to tip and one of the sets is low in sales.
Secondly, custom legends. You can pad print them, but that is honestly a bit of a waste for a GMK set. To make a custom mold with GMK the price is $500. Each. So quick math, to have a single custom legend set made, its going to be around $23,000. That will make the custom legend kit ~$160 if 250 people buy it (it essentially adds $90 to the cost of each kit at MOQ). Even a big set like YURI really had issues getting buyers for the Cyrillic kit, and Cyrillic sets have been one of the most popular non-english languages for years in this hobby. So trying to fund one, much less two brand new alpha kits is basically impossible at the current time.
Ergodox kit IS possible to succeed, but still is a fight. Being blank helps for sure. This isn't entirely unrealistic.
Novelties, with only 2, I'd work these into the base kit, help move the cost of those custom molds across all of the sets. If MOQ is met the cost per person will be nominal instead of trying to get 250 people just to buy that kit alone.
Finally, bars kit. This probably won't fly either. Bars are expensive. And as much as I think its great to think of supporting those odd layouts, at this point GMK is still just pretty difficult to do for them. People do ask for them, but when push comes to shove it never seems like the wallets are out for those kind of kits. Especially not 250 of them. Same for the Norde kit, I can pretty much guarantee that won't get remotely close to tipping.
If I were you I'd try to look at a lot of "all in one" sets and concentrate on a single manageable kit. You have some cool colors, that is the hard part and you did that well. If this was an SP set, I'd think it is realistic as it stands, but with GMK not so much.
Hi livingspeedbump,
I am not sure how much the custom/special colors are, but hopefully it is affordable.
Originally, my first layout had three colors on a keycap along with Japanese legends, which called for pad-printing. However, I have decided awhile ago that it won't be pad-printed to help maintain quality and went with double-shot with some color adjustments. I was not looking at any sets besides existing ones that were actively dropping or listed on Massdrop to create a unique layout at the time. Then after some replies and browsing the forum, I realized that MiTo's GMK Laser was also doing Japanese legends. So as of this moment, that set is the only one that appears to have the funds for it and the alpha set will have to align with it for the molds. So as much as I'd hate to be that guy that copied the legends, it appears to be the only logical one to help complete my theme. That is if he is alright with that. I haven't been able to reach him.
I will consider dropping some kits if it looks like it won't reach MOQ. According to the GMK Yuri drop, the quantities seem alright for the Base Kit, Icon Mods, Ergodox, Novelties, and Spacebars. But then again, I haven't offered any Icon Mods or much Novelties yet. So it will be something like that until I can narrow it down further. Strangely enough, I am wondering where the votes are for the Hiragana Alphas Kit. I really like that kit myself. Could it be that some people are too lazy to vote for multiple kits or just prefer the colors and went for the base kit? Whatever it is, I am hoping this poll will help MiTo and others decide which is right for their kit. I will check out some all-in-ones as well as try to get in touch with some people to discuss it.
Thanks for your advice.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 18 June 2017, 23:43:06
I would browse a lot of these sets/kits. Generally these sets run by OCO are ~$130-$140 in GB ($180 retail) which is about as good as you can get for anything that isn't MD. KeyClack and The Keyboard Company's all in one sets are generally right in that price range as well. Massdrop pricing is always lower than anywhere else because they have the biggest user base and generate the most sales. Community run stores are slightly more expensive, but for the most part people (self included) love supporting the little guys and don't really complain about the extra $25ish-$50. Both have their pros and cons. That brings me to my next point though:
Just as you have to design a set based on the manufacturer (SP, GMK, EPBT are all drastically different with how you should go about designing a set) you also have to design the set based on who the vendor is. Massdrop works differently than all the other places (and also requires you have a hugely popular poll to even get considered). Massdrop can often afford to produce a few more kits, and they generally buy up the extras of any kit that is remotely close to tipping so MOQ isn't as huge of a deal. I know you don't have a vendor yet, but planning kits reflecting both early on will only help out in the long run.
I think you could add a few more novelties, but I wouldn't suggest going overboard with them. Again, this is a place where SP and GMK kit designs can really differ. SP only charges significant less for new molds, and with a lower MOQ it is just easier to make full on novelty child kits tip. Novelties with GMK sets seem to be far less important to sales, generally one or two really nice novelties that compliment the set are more than enough to satisfy most people.
As far as the Hiragana kit goes, its probably just not that popular. Remember, alternate languages are a niche within a niche already. "Oddities" like that kit often have a follower base that will say it is their dream set and love it to death, where all the other folks are completely indifferent to it and want something a bit more standard for every day use. So I have no doubt some people love it, and they will very loudly tell you how much they love it. But that isn't a good representation of how many people will actually open their wallet for it. Same goes for the Norde kits. Every set I've ever done or worked on, I often see the most complaints about lack of proper Norde/ISO kits (to the point sometimes you'd think nobody will buy the set based on the IC as its full of a few people complaining), but I've never seen an international kit not struggle because there simply isn't the user base. Again, a niche withing a niche. Unlike SP, its a huge investment to get a base kit + alternate alphas with GMK its always been a hard sale.
Post by: rioc on Mon, 19 June 2017, 01:34:13
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Post by: RedSuns on Tue, 20 June 2017, 03:13:15
https://originative.co/collections/keysets
I would browse a lot of these sets/kits. Generally these sets run by OCO are ~$130-$140 in GB ($180 retail) which is about as good as you can get for anything that isn't MD. KeyClack and The Keyboard Company's all in one sets are generally right in that price range as well. Massdrop pricing is always lower than anywhere else because they have the biggest user base and generate the most sales. Community run stores are slightly more expensive, but for the most part people (self included) love supporting the little guys and don't really complain about the extra $25ish-$50. Both have their pros and cons. That brings me to my next point though:
Just as you have to design a set based on the manufacturer (SP, GMK, EPBT are all drastically different with how you should go about designing a set) you also have to design the set based on who the vendor is. Massdrop works differently than all the other places (and also requires you have a hugely popular poll to even get considered). Massdrop can often afford to produce a few more kits, and they generally buy up the extras of any kit that is remotely close to tipping so MOQ isn't as huge of a deal. I know you don't have a vendor yet, but planning kits reflecting both early on will only help out in the long run.
I think you could add a few more novelties, but I wouldn't suggest going overboard with them. Again, this is a place where SP and GMK kit designs can really differ. SP only charges significant less for new molds, and with a lower MOQ it is just easier to make full on novelty child kits tip. Novelties with GMK sets seem to be far less important to sales, generally one or two really nice novelties that compliment the set are more than enough to satisfy most people.
As far as the Hiragana kit goes, its probably just not that popular. Remember, alternate languages are a niche within a niche already. "Oddities" like that kit often have a follower base that will say it is their dream set and love it to death, where all the other folks are completely indifferent to it and want something a bit more standard for every day use. So I have no doubt some people love it, and they will very loudly tell you how much they love it. But that isn't a good representation of how many people will actually open their wallet for it. Same goes for the Norde kits. Every set I've ever done or worked on, I often see the most complaints about lack of proper Norde/ISO kits (to the point sometimes you'd think nobody will buy the set based on the IC as its full of a few people complaining), but I've never seen an international kit not struggle because there simply isn't the user base. Again, a niche withing a niche. Unlike SP, its a huge investment to get a base kit + alternate alphas with GMK its always been a hard sale.
Thanks, I'll keep this mind.
icon mods planned?
I don't think the currently existing icon mods out there would match the theme. Did you have something in mind?
I don't think you're copying Mito's laser. Hiragana isn't owned by anyone. Nobody become a copier when made usual latin GMK eh?
It's a bit more complicated than that, but no worries.
Post by: shensmobile on Tue, 20 June 2017, 11:08:53
Good luck! You've got a killer set on your hands.
Post by: xantiema on Thu, 22 June 2017, 18:40:09
Post by: Marutks on Thu, 22 June 2017, 20:20:02
Post by: Rob27shred on Thu, 22 June 2017, 21:37:58
Wish you the best of luck getting this set off the ground RedSuns. I'll most likely be in for a set if it goes forward in GMK. Hopefully all goes well & I'm scrambling to put the money together to join the GB soon, LOL! :thumb:
Post by: RedSuns on Fri, 23 June 2017, 20:44:20
I don't typically post on GH, but I just wanted to say that this set is phenomenal. Will be watching this thread very closely! I would hope that there's enough interest to do a latin base set and alphas of hiragana/gaijin (I would probably do one of each!). As long as there's a blank Ergodox compatibility pack too :)
Good luck! You've got a killer set on your hands.
Thanks.
Hoping this goes the GMK route, it turned out really well so far
Will try to get price estimates.
I want base kit.
Updated base kit. Still good?
Wow this colorway is a winner for sure, awesome work RedSuns! In a perfect world I would like to see this set at least have the option for Gaijin alphas, but as livingspeedbump said with GMK sets it is hard getting people to pony up the cash for to much beyond the base kits. Just the plain Latin legends seems the more realistic way to go with this set & avoid pad printing. I personally think it should stay GMK though, since going with SP would end up with either a very long wait to go SA or sacrifice a good deal of quality IMO if were made in DSA or DCS. At least that's my 2 cents on it.
Wish you the best of luck getting this set off the ground RedSuns. I'll most likely be in for a set if it goes forward in GMK. Hopefully all goes well & I'm scrambling to put the money together to join the GB soon, LOL! :thumb:
I still want the alphas somehow, but we will see what happens. Going to focus on Base kit now and go the GMK Plum route, which is good enough for me.
Votes for child kits are ridiculously low compared to the base kits for most polls, so it doesn't look like now is a good time to release kits beyond base kit. My apologies to those who wanted the other kits. Don't worry, I plan to keep it GMK as long as it's affordable. First, I need to know what's going on with the Hiragana alphas kit. If it's too expensive for me, I will remove it. That will leave the Base kit and ErgoPlanck kit. Currently, the Base kit looks like it might hit 250 MOQ or above, but the ErgoPlanck kit, not so much so far. Thanks for the support.
Post by: xantiema on Sat, 24 June 2017, 10:43:29
Post by: PancakeMSTR on Sat, 24 June 2017, 14:35:17
Post by: RedSuns on Sat, 24 June 2017, 21:32:12
Proper novelties would also seal the deal on this kit being one of a kind unique in every way
Made some new novelties today. Thoughts?
Any chance we could see a render of this on a (silver) aluminum case? Something like the phantom TEX TKL?
Maybe in a TKL case, but not the Phantom TEX TKL.
Post by: BlackInk on Sat, 24 June 2017, 23:33:48
Proper novelties would also seal the deal on this kit being one of a kind unique in every way
Made some new novelties today. Thoughts?Any chance we could see a render of this on a (silver) aluminum case? Something like the phantom TEX TKL?
Please include something like this into the novelties kit
Maybe in a TKL case, but not the Phantom TEX TKL.
Post by: RedSuns on Sun, 25 June 2017, 00:12:09
Please include something like this into the novelties kit
Alright, I'll give it a try. Come back later.
Edit: Added the novelty for the Samurai Head. What do you think of it?
Post by: BlackInk on Sun, 25 June 2017, 11:05:20
Please include something like this into the novelties kit
Alright, I'll give it a try. Come back later.
Edit: Added the novelty for the Samurai Head. What do you think of it?
Very nice, it will match perfectly with my keycaps
Post by: xantiema on Sun, 25 June 2017, 11:24:07
Which caps are those?Very nice, it will match perfectly with my keycapsPlease include something like this into the novelties kit
Alright, I'll give it a try. Come back later.
Edit: Added the novelty for the Samurai Head. What do you think of it?
Post by: PancakeMSTR on Sun, 25 June 2017, 16:54:31
Proper novelties would also seal the deal on this kit being one of a kind unique in every way
Made some new novelties today. Thoughts?Any chance we could see a render of this on a (silver) aluminum case? Something like the phantom TEX TKL?
Maybe in a TKL case, but not the Phantom TEX TKL.
Just any silver TKL case will do.
Post by: BlackInk on Sun, 25 June 2017, 20:56:53
They are 3d printed keycaps on shapeways, you can either choose metal or plasticWhich caps are those?Very nice, it will match perfectly with my keycapsPlease include something like this into the novelties kit
Alright, I'll give it a try. Come back later.
Edit: Added the novelty for the Samurai Head. What do you think of it?
Post by: RedSuns on Sun, 25 June 2017, 21:09:29
Very nice, it will match perfectly with my keycaps
Those look awesome.
Just any silver TKL case will do.
Soon.
Post by: acme64 on Sun, 25 June 2017, 23:27:16
Post by: RedSuns on Mon, 26 June 2017, 00:39:46
imo the gaijin kit should be the base, people who need the latin legends still get them and the hiragana fans aren't completely left out
I've thought about that before, but since Hiragana legends do not exist right now, the Latin only base kit is the way to go.
Also, based on the poll, I don't think it would be wise to force it into a base kit. I think true hiragana fans would vote for the hiragana kits, base kit or not.
Besides, your best bet for Hiragana legends made by GMK, is the GMK Laser. It rides on his decision.
Post by: darkslay3r on Tue, 27 June 2017, 00:26:27
can't wait to see any further information about this one
Post by: RedSuns on Tue, 27 June 2017, 01:32:36
looks great
can't wait to see any further information about this one
I am currently waiting for some TKL and 60% renders from thesiscamper to provide you guys with higher accuracy of what to expect from this keyset.
Post by: acme64 on Wed, 28 June 2017, 13:24:19
imo the gaijin kit should be the base, people who need the latin legends still get them and the hiragana fans aren't completely left out
I've thought about that before, but since Hiragana legends do not exist right now, the Latin only base kit is the way to go.
Also, based on the poll, I don't think it would be wise to force it into a base kit. I think true hiragana fans would vote for the hiragana kits, base kit or not.
Besides, your best bet for Hiragana legends made by GMK, is the GMK Laser. It rides on his decision.
I disagree, right now we're deciding one vs the other when they can easily be combined and both camps get what they want. why would gmk laser be involved, are those style keys licensed or something?
Post by: xantiema on Wed, 28 June 2017, 14:08:12
imo the gaijin kit should be the base, people who need the latin legends still get them and the hiragana fans aren't completely left out
I've thought about that before, but since Hiragana legends do not exist right now, the Latin only base kit is the way to go.
Also, based on the poll, I don't think it would be wise to force it into a base kit. I think true hiragana fans would vote for the hiragana kits, base kit or not.
Besides, your best bet for Hiragana legends made by GMK, is the GMK Laser. It rides on his decision.
I disagree, right now we're deciding one vs the other when they can easily be combined and both camps get what they want. why would gmk laser be involved, are those style keys licensed or something?
There wouldn't exist GMK moulds before Laser GB
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 28 June 2017, 14:14:14
imo the gaijin kit should be the base, people who need the latin legends still get them and the hiragana fans aren't completely left out
I've thought about that before, but since Hiragana legends do not exist right now, the Latin only base kit is the way to go.
Also, based on the poll, I don't think it would be wise to force it into a base kit. I think true hiragana fans would vote for the hiragana kits, base kit or not.
Besides, your best bet for Hiragana legends made by GMK, is the GMK Laser. It rides on his decision.
I disagree, right now we're deciding one vs the other when they can easily be combined and both camps get what they want. why would gmk laser be involved, are those style keys licensed or something?
Right now, possibility of Hiragana kit is unknown. Please read my notes below the images of the original post. During this time, you should vote for the one you are interested in until then if you haven't done so.
There wouldn't exist GMK moulds before Laser GB
Exactly.
Post by: acme64 on Wed, 28 June 2017, 14:16:31
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 28 June 2017, 14:37:06
ah, did that set go into production or is it still waiting on votes or something?
MiTo is currently on vacation/traveling, so we won't know his decision until he announces it.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 28 June 2017, 15:04:00
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 28 June 2017, 15:33:31
While you wait you should work on a backup plan/secondary plan. It can never hurt to be prepared for whatever comes :thumb:
Well, the plan is confirming if the base kit is alright with everyone.
Possibility of re-adding other kits depending on demand and make changes if necessary. If hiragana kit doesn't work out, there is a possibility of teaming up with some artisan keycap makers for a limited stock of keycaps. And I think that will be that.
If it doesn't work out on Massdrop, the plan is to check with community vendors for base kit only with possible changes to it. Though right now at least, I think I prefer Massdrop.
Post by: Cotay on Wed, 28 June 2017, 15:46:15
Post by: jebbra on Wed, 28 June 2017, 20:08:18
• 2x R2 mod keys — there're plenty already; Delete, End, PgDn. Witn 1800 support there're additional PgUp and -
• 2x R3 mod keys — this is the keys that usually absent and covered when the kit support 1800: PgDn and +
• 8x 1u mod keys — covered with 2x 1u ctrl, 2x 1u alt, 2x 1u code, and usually a 1u fn and a 1u menu
• The lower-raise can use the up and down arrow — base kit with accent arrow really helping to accentuate these 2 keys
• 2u spacebar can use the 0 numpad — or you can add a dedicated 2u convex spacebar and 2x 1u convex spacekey!
• 2x 1u spacekey can be using remaining arrow or remaining alpha-color keys tho
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 28 June 2017, 21:42:28
FYI, planck/preonic can be covered with 1800 support keys and some 1u R4 keys (not with correct legends tho but aesthetically I prefer the mod have legend even it's wrong than blank mod). Here's the list:
• 2x R2 mod keys — there're plenty already; Delete, End, PgDn. Witn 1800 support there're additional PgUp and -
• 2x R3 mod keys — this is the keys that usually absent and covered when the kit support 1800: PgDn and +
• 8x 1u mod keys — covered with 2x 1u ctrl, 2x 1u alt, 2x 1u code, and usually a 1u fn and a 1u menu
• The lower-raise can use the up and down arrow — base kit with accent arrow really helping to accentuate these 2 keys
• 2u spacebar can use the 0 numpad — or you can add a dedicated 2u convex spacebar and 2x 1u convex spacekey!
• 2x 1u spacekey can be using remaining arrow or remaining alpha-color keys tho
Thanks for the information.
Post by: a_ak57 on Wed, 28 June 2017, 21:44:35
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 28 June 2017, 22:01:16
Are the ESC/Enter accents going to be a different color than the legends? On the 2D/KLE render they look to be the same, but on the 3D render the accents seem lighter than the legends. Just wondering if you decided to change it up or if the render is a bit off. Personally, I like it more with accents as dark as the legends.
There are only three colors used for this keyset. Should it be produced they should be fairly consistent with each other. Not sure whether thesiscamper made it darker or if it's just the lighting.
Post by: a_ak57 on Wed, 28 June 2017, 22:04:05
(http://i.imgur.com/PK4achD.png)
The top of the accent keys is a fair amount lighter than the legends, though the unlit sides seem similar. Which would you say is more the look you're going for, the lighter or darker shade?
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 28 June 2017, 22:44:36
Well, just to clarify what I mean:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PK4achD.png)
The top of the accent keys is a fair amount lighter than the legends, though the unlit sides seem similar. Which would you say is more the look you're going for, the lighter or darker shade?
Been looking at it for a bit and I'm going to have to say it's probably just the lighting. Similar to the GMK Plum, the colors could be slightly off in renders compared to the actual product. I believe the lighter shade might look better for a darker base color. It's also not bad if it's dark on dark like the stock HHKB. I would probably need actual samples to look at though.
Post by: mark3611 on Thu, 29 June 2017, 02:53:24
Post by: RedSuns on Thu, 29 June 2017, 03:34:08
Any chance of a gold spacebar? Probably a buy for me either way.
I'd like to think of the red as the samurai's armor, so I think a large brown/gold spacebar would be too much, but if I decide to re-add the spacebars kit then I will think about it.
Edit: Added Spacebars kit.
Post by: BlackInk on Thu, 29 June 2017, 23:39:06
Will you add more novelties into the kit?
Post by: RedSuns on Thu, 29 June 2017, 23:45:02
Hi
Will you add more novelties into the kit?
I'm working on the Akatsuki cloud that someone requested. Though, I don't think I want more than 4 or 5 types of novelties, so I might replace one or two of them. Don't know how much they cost yet. You can give me some ideas that's relevant to the theme though.
Post by: mark3611 on Fri, 30 June 2017, 01:45:02
Any chance of a gold spacebar? Probably a buy for me either way.
I'd like to think of the red as the samurai's armor, so I think a large brown/gold spacebar would be too much, but if I decide to re-add the spacebars kit then I will think about it.
Edit: Added Spacebars kit.
Nice! Thanks a lot.
Post by: shekki on Fri, 30 June 2017, 04:24:23
I'm working on the Akatsuki cloud that someone requested. Though, I don't think I want more than 4 or 5 types of novelties, so I might replace one or two of them. Don't know how much they cost yet. You can give me some ideas that's relevant to the theme though.
Oh man, Akatsuki cloud novelty?! Would novelties be available as a standalone purchase?
Post by: RedSuns on Fri, 30 June 2017, 05:33:38
Oh man, Akatsuki cloud novelty?! Would novelties be available as a standalone purchase?
Not sold separately. You have to purchase the kit. I am thinking of replacing one or two more though. Might end up with just 4 types. So the price can't be that high.
Post by: kevinzavier on Fri, 30 June 2017, 13:55:01
Post by: RedSuns on Fri, 30 June 2017, 14:03:27
How long does pad print last?
Everything is expected to be doubleshot for this keyset, no pad printing. I only know that pad print does not last that long and probably depends on how much you press that key.
Post by: kevinzavier on Fri, 30 June 2017, 15:28:00
Post by: RedSuns on Fri, 30 June 2017, 15:35:01
Definitely interested then
Awesome. :thumb:
Post by: kevinzavier on Fri, 30 June 2017, 15:42:53
Post by: RedSuns on Fri, 30 June 2017, 15:48:39
lol but they have molds for Gajin text?
I get this question a lot. The Hiragana kit is only a possibility depending if the Laser will have them in the set. If not, the price to have these molds created according to livingspeedbump is definitely not within my budget.
Post by: BlackInk on Fri, 30 June 2017, 18:55:03
Actually I really like genji sword as much as i love Samurai helmet, is it possible to get genji sword back?Hi
Will you add more novelties into the kit?
I'm working on the Akatsuki cloud that someone requested. Though, I don't think I want more than 4 or 5 types of novelties, so I might replace one or two of them. Don't know how much they cost yet. You can give me some ideas that's relevant to the theme though.
Post by: RedSuns on Fri, 30 June 2017, 18:58:58
Actually I really like genji sword as much as i love Samurai helmet, is it possible to get genji sword back?
Which one would you like me to replace instead?
Post by: BlackInk on Fri, 30 June 2017, 20:35:17
Gunbai if possible? Will this set drops once Laser GB is finish?Actually I really like genji sword as much as i love Samurai helmet, is it possible to get genji sword back?
Which one would you like me to replace instead?
Post by: RedSuns on Fri, 30 June 2017, 20:45:53
Gunbai if possible? Will this set drops once Laser GB is finish?
I suppose I could replace the Gunbai and might as well remove the Kama too. Also, there is no timeline for this set yet and I have no idea when the Laser is going to drop.
Post by: BlackInk on Sat, 01 July 2017, 03:03:07
Gunbai if possible? Will this set drops once Laser GB is finish?
I suppose I could replace the Gunbai and might as well remove the Kama too. Also, there is no timeline for this set yet and I have no idea when the Laser is going to drop.
Yes please, as long as SHURIKEN spray, Genji sword and samurai helmet are in the noveties. I think GMK Laser will drop once GMK Nautilus is over.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 01 July 2017, 15:15:49
Pad-printing would be kinda eh. I think the best option is to just use the light brown for both legends like you have on the number row. And tbh I find the black legends to be pretty hard to read anyway.
Pad - printing? No way, it is for stock cheap sets, that dress up stock keyboards.
Post by: RedSuns on Sat, 01 July 2017, 15:42:42
Yes please, as long as SHURIKEN spray, Genji sword and samurai helmet are in the noveties. I think GMK Laser will drop once GMK Nautilus is over.
Alright, give me a few days or so because I might make a new novelty as well and possibly some changes to the novelties kit.
Pad-printing would be kinda eh. I think the best option is to just use the light brown for both legends like you have on the number row. And tbh I find the black legends to be pretty hard to read anyway.
Pad - printing? No way, it is for stock cheap sets, that dress up stock keyboards.
That's an old comment. This keyset will be doubleshot.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 01 July 2017, 15:50:06
Yes please, as long as SHURIKEN spray, Genji sword and samurai helmet are in the noveties. I think GMK Laser will drop once GMK Nautilus is over.
Alright, give me a few days or so because I might make a new novelty as well and possibly some changes to the novelties kit.Pad-printing would be kinda eh. I think the best option is to just use the light brown for both legends like you have on the number row. And tbh I find the black legends to be pretty hard to read anyway.
Pad - printing? No way, it is for stock cheap sets, that dress up stock keyboards.
That's an old comment. This keyset will be doubleshot.
Awesome. I did not read the entire thread, sorry.
Post by: Hafizi Hilmi on Sat, 01 July 2017, 17:43:40
Post by: RedSuns on Sat, 01 July 2017, 18:33:16
Awesome. I did not read the entire thread, sorry.
All good.
But sir, Naruto etc are ninjas right? Not samurai?
Yes, but Uchiha Madara wears red samurai-like armor, which makes up the colors of this keyset and his susanoo looks like a samurai. This will be a samurai themed keyset, so anything samurai goes.
Post by: xantiema on Sat, 01 July 2017, 19:43:19
Gunbai if possible? Will this set drops once Laser GB is finish?
I suppose I could replace the Gunbai and might as well remove the Kama too. Also, there is no timeline for this set yet and I have no idea when the Laser is going to drop.
Could you please post an image of all available novelties (in the past aswell) so we can re-vote officially if possible?
Post by: RedSuns on Sat, 01 July 2017, 20:14:19
Gunbai if possible? Will this set drops once Laser GB is finish?
I suppose I could replace the Gunbai and might as well remove the Kama too. Also, there is no timeline for this set yet and I have no idea when the Laser is going to drop.
Could you please post an image of all available novelties (in the past aswell) so we can re-vote officially if possible?
Okay, but just to let you know some of the past novelty ideas doesn't look possible because of the smaller lines and I like the newer ideas better. Also, I plan to make another novelty and make some changes to the novelties kit, which means you guys can vote on that as well. To see past novelty ideas, just click the orange MORE button under the Novelties kit notes.
Post by: xantiema on Sun, 02 July 2017, 06:09:09
Gunbai if possible? Will this set drops once Laser GB is finish?
I suppose I could replace the Gunbai and might as well remove the Kama too. Also, there is no timeline for this set yet and I have no idea when the Laser is going to drop.
Could you please post an image of all available novelties (in the past aswell) so we can re-vote officially if possible?
Okay, but just to let you know some of the past novelty ideas doesn't look possible because of the smaller lines and I like the newer ideas better. Also, I plan to make another novelty and make some changes to the novelties kit, which means you guys can vote on that as well. To see past novelty ideas, just click the orange MORE button under the Novelties kit notes.
Thank you very much. The Gunbai and Helmet is really appropriate for the set, and hopefully will stay. With regards to the crests, I think one of the most popular should stay. Were you only considering a max of 4?
Post by: ..//dexx on Sun, 02 July 2017, 09:47:25
Gunbai if possible? Will this set drops once Laser GB is finish?
I suppose I could replace the Gunbai and might as well remove the Kama too. Also, there is no timeline for this set yet and I have no idea when the Laser is going to drop.
Could you please post an image of all available novelties (in the past aswell) so we can re-vote officially if possible?
Okay, but just to let you know some of the past novelty ideas doesn't look possible because of the smaller lines and I like the newer ideas better. Also, I plan to make another novelty and make some changes to the novelties kit, which means you guys can vote on that as well. To see past novelty ideas, just click the orange MORE button under the Novelties kit notes.
If you are gonna go with anime inspiration, you'd think Rurouni Kenshin would be on top of the list. ;D
Post by: RedSuns on Sun, 02 July 2017, 12:36:53
Thank you very much. The Gunbai and Helmet is really appropriate for the set, and hopefully will stay. With regards to the crests, I think one of the most popular should stay. Were you only considering a max of 4?
If I were to choose one it would be the Sanada one, but it would feel incomplete without more of them. Yes, about 3 to 4, since I do not know the cost yet. There would be way too many novelties I can think of to add and chances are people will only like a few of them, so at that point it wouldn't be worth it imo.
So, I've narrowed down to 3 types of novelties: head, sword, and a throwing star, which seems to make more sense. Will try to make another variety of those three types from what you see so far. For the novelties kit, I was thinking of adding VIM HJKL arrow keys and R4 1u 00 key for those people who want those keys. The 00 key just feels like a novelty to me. If there are any other keys I am missing I'd probably see if it fits well in the novelties kit. I am still wondering whether the Norde kit or spacebars kit need improvement. Where are the Nordic layout users when you need them.
If you are gonna go with anime inspiration, you'd think Rurouni Kenshin would be on top of the list. ;D
Although I know that was a good anime, it is not my preferred anime. :p
Post by: BlackInk on Sun, 02 July 2017, 13:25:56
Thank you very much. The Gunbai and Helmet is really appropriate for the set, and hopefully will stay. With regards to the crests, I think one of the most popular should stay. Were you only considering a max of 4?
If I were to choose one it would be the Sanada one, but it would feel incomplete without more of them. Yes, about 3 to 4, since I do not know the cost yet. There would be way too many novelties I can think of to add and chances are people will only like a few of them, so at that point it wouldn't be worth it imo.
So, I've narrowed down to 3 types of novelties: head, sword, and a throwing star, which seems to make more sense. Will try to make another variety of those three types from what you see so far. For the novelties kit, I was thinking of adding VIM HJKL arrow keys and R4 1u 00 key for those people who want those keys. The 00 key just feels like a novelty to me. If there are any other keys I am missing I'd probably see if it fits well in the novelties kit. I am still wondering whether the Norde kit or spacebars kit need improvement. Where are the Nordic layout users when you need them.If you are gonna go with anime inspiration, you'd think Rurouni Kenshin would be on top of the list. ;D
Although I know that was a good anime, it is not my preferred anime. :p
Yessss Please keep it clean, Head, Sword and Throwing Star..... This set is heading where it suppose to be :thumb:
Post by: OneNightFriend on Sun, 02 July 2017, 14:19:57
Post by: theillumedpanda on Mon, 03 July 2017, 12:45:56
You mentioned earlier that everything will be doubleshot. Is that also possible with the Gaijin kit?
Post by: xantiema on Mon, 03 July 2017, 12:49:28
Post by: RedSuns on Mon, 03 July 2017, 12:56:06
I really like the set! Great work.
You mentioned earlier that everything will be doubleshot. Is that also possible with the Gaijin kit?
I think only if the Laser decides to have Hiragana legends so I can use the molds for it. Although whether he will choose Gaijin or Hiragana is up to him. Trying to get the molds created myself would not be possible with my budget. In the end, if he does go through with it, it should help future sets as I don't think GMK would just make the mold and then let it sit to collect dust.
I really hope The Gunbai can remain in the set
I'll leave it as a fourth novelty. No more than four novelties to fit F1 through F4 or something like that. Then you guys can use artisans to fill up the rest of your keyboard if you want.
Post by: xantiema on Mon, 03 July 2017, 13:05:10
I really like the set! Great work.
You mentioned earlier that everything will be doubleshot. Is that also possible with the Gaijin kit?
I think only if the Laser decides to have Hiragana legends so I can use the molds for it. Although whether he will choose Gaijin or Hiragana is up to him. Trying to get the molds created myself would not be possible with my budget. In the end, if he does go through with it, it should help future sets as I don't think GMK would just make the mold and then let it sit to collect dust.I really hope The Gunbai can remain in the set
I'll leave it as a fourth novelty. No more than four novelties to fit F1 through F4 or something like that. Then you guys can use artisans to fill up the rest of your keyboard if you want.
:thumb: ;D :thumb: ;D :thumb: ;D :p :p
Post by: consolation on Mon, 03 July 2017, 16:11:27
Post by: RedSuns on Mon, 03 July 2017, 16:36:00
Any chance of having legends on some ED kit caps?
I envisioned this to not have any legends in the Ergodox kit for it to have a more glove-like or inner clothing appearance if you were to use an Ergodox. Don't know if that makes any sense.
Update: Ok BlackInc likes the "Third idea" in past novelties minus the Kama.
I'll let you guys vote on that third idea and the current idea for novelties kit updated on 7/3. Personally I like the new one, but you guys can choose.
Post by: TTheuns on Tue, 04 July 2017, 19:26:47
Post by: xantiema on Wed, 05 July 2017, 07:50:36
Any chance of having legends on some ED kit caps?
I envisioned this to not have any legends in the Ergodox kit for it to have a more glove-like or inner clothing appearance if you were to use an Ergodox. Don't know if that makes any sense.
Update: Ok BlackInc likes the "Third idea" in past novelties minus the Kama.
I'll let you guys vote on that third idea and the current idea for novelties kit updated on 7/3. Personally I like the new one, but you guys can choose.
I don't think the Kama is appropriate either. Remove :thumb:
Is the nose on the mask supposed to be this long?
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 05 July 2017, 08:26:10
Hydro-dipped damascus steel case anyone?
What color?
Any chance of having legends on some ED kit caps?
I envisioned this to not have any legends in the Ergodox kit for it to have a more glove-like or inner clothing appearance if you were to use an Ergodox. Don't know if that makes any sense.
Update: Ok BlackInc likes the "Third idea" in past novelties minus the Kama.
I'll let you guys vote on that third idea and the current idea for novelties kit updated on 7/3. Personally I like the new one, but you guys can choose.
I don't think the Kama is appropriate either. Remove :thumb:
Is the nose on the mask supposed to be this long?
Yes, the nose is actually that long. If you look up susanoo they all have long noses. It's similar to Tengu statues in Japan.
Post by: GreyAmbience on Wed, 05 July 2017, 10:34:38
Post by: heyitsqi on Wed, 05 July 2017, 10:48:35
Post by: xantiema on Wed, 05 July 2017, 15:55:03
Hydro-dipped damascus steel case anyone?
What color?Any chance of having legends on some ED kit caps?
I envisioned this to not have any legends in the Ergodox kit for it to have a more glove-like or inner clothing appearance if you were to use an Ergodox. Don't know if that makes any sense.
Update: Ok BlackInc likes the "Third idea" in past novelties minus the Kama.
I'll let you guys vote on that third idea and the current idea for novelties kit updated on 7/3. Personally I like the new one, but you guys can choose.
I don't think the Kama is appropriate either. Remove :thumb:
Is the nose on the mask supposed to be this long?
Yes, the nose is actually that long. If you look up susanoo they all have long noses. It's similar to Tengu statues in Japan.
:thumb:
Looking good, can't wait for this set. Super hyped about Samurai and Laser.
Post by: BlackInk on Wed, 05 July 2017, 23:08:19
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 05 July 2017, 23:46:51
if third idea didnt make it, can you at least change the Susanoo Head to the samurai helmet from 3rd idea? I cant even tell if Susanoo Head is a samurai head :(
Right now there's plenty of time to make changes and I haven't decided on it yet. Possibly going to make another version of a Samurai helmet to your liking whenever I get to it. I do want to limit the amount of novelties though. I am also wondering whether I should make my novelties art style more simple or basic, meaning sacrificing a lot of detail and using thicker lines or shapes.
Post by: ludd on Thu, 06 July 2017, 00:49:51
Post by: dahn on Sun, 09 July 2017, 11:02:12
Really hoping that this goes through!
Me too! Im defineatly grabbing the hiragana one if /when it drops.
Post by: RedSuns on Tue, 18 July 2017, 21:07:03
Should I continue to build on current Novelties kit or split it into two? Would it help lower costs? The second novelties kit would be called a Ninja kit and then I could add some R2/R3 1U Ninja-related novelties for it. How did I end up with so many novelties... Keep in mind, I still don't know if GMK can make these novelties, but while I'm waiting for a response from MD or GMK, I'm just working on the kits.
Also, would a Norde kit with lots of keys like the Plum or Eclipse be better or smaller is good enough?
Further suggestions welcomed.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 18 July 2017, 21:16:24
Post by: RedSuns on Tue, 18 July 2017, 21:38:02
What is the 2u shift key for? Please excuse the question if it has an obvious answer, but I am not aware of a keyboard that requires it, yet.
HHKB Pro JP, XD60 layouts, or for ISO users? I am not sure myself, but I thought someone might need it since some past GMK sets had it.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 18 July 2017, 21:45:50
What is the 2u shift key for? Please excuse the question if it has an obvious answer, but I am not aware of a keyboard that requires it, yet.
HHKB Pro JP, XD60 layouts, or for ISO users? I am not sure myself, but I thought someone might need it since some past GMK sets had it.
I am positive that ISO layouts do not need a 2u shift, but the others you mentioned.
Post by: RedSuns on Tue, 18 July 2017, 21:54:08
What is the 2u shift key for? Please excuse the question if it has an obvious answer, but I am not aware of a keyboard that requires it, yet.
HHKB Pro JP, XD60 layouts, or for ISO users? I am not sure myself, but I thought someone might need it since some past GMK sets had it.
I am positive that ISO layouts do not need a 2u shift, but the others you mentioned.
Then it should take care of the others. :)
I think the arrow keys are nice to have while keeping it compact, so I'm sure a lot of people would prefer those types of layouts.
Post by: BlackInk on Wed, 19 July 2017, 00:34:48
Sorry for my bad english.
Post by: oatmicro on Wed, 19 July 2017, 00:46:18
Just a little advice, i dont think adding letters into novelties kit is a good choice, because gaijin kit already have all the japanese letters.
Sorry for my bad english.
But you live in the USA...
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 19 July 2017, 01:00:07
Post by: acme64 on Wed, 19 July 2017, 07:32:03
Post by: xantiema on Wed, 19 July 2017, 11:38:47
i think a cool idea with the novelties would be to have the head torso and legs, so if you line them up you assemble a whole samurai. Not sure how it would look or where you'd seperate the armor for each key, just a thought.That would probably only work around the numpad area if you ask me
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 19 July 2017, 15:08:19
Just a little advice, i dont think adding letters into novelties kit is a good choice, because gaijin kit already have all the japanese letters.
Sorry for my bad english.
Not the surrounding area. I think it's still a nice addition or option.
Really like the colorway and the sets. Watching for a GB status :)
Thanks.
i think a cool idea with the novelties would be to have the head torso and legs, so if you line them up you assemble a whole samurai. Not sure how it would look or where you'd seperate the armor for each key, just a thought.
i think a cool idea with the novelties would be to have the head torso and legs, so if you line them up you assemble a whole samurai. Not sure how it would look or where you'd seperate the armor for each key, just a thought.That would probably only work around the numpad area if you ask me
Maybe I can do helmet in number 8, entire armor in number 5, and just tabis or getas in number 2. I'll try making it later and see how it looks.
Post by: euphxenos on Wed, 19 July 2017, 22:29:12
What is the 2u shift key for? Please excuse the question if it has an obvious answer, but I am not aware of a keyboard that requires it, yet.
HHKB Pro JP, XD60 layouts, or for ISO users? I am not sure myself, but I thought someone might need it since some past GMK sets had it.
I can add the Tex Beetle and the GK64 to that list -- they're both 60% with arrows, with a 2U left shift, 1U right shift, and non-standard stagger in that row as a result. There was a GK64 groub buy on reddit not long ago.
Post by: RedSuns on Thu, 20 July 2017, 02:05:54
What is the 2u shift key for? Please excuse the question if it has an obvious answer, but I am not aware of a keyboard that requires it, yet.
HHKB Pro JP, XD60 layouts, or for ISO users? I am not sure myself, but I thought someone might need it since some past GMK sets had it.
I can add the Tex Beetle and the GK64 to that list -- they're both 60% with arrows, with a 2U left shift, 1U right shift, and non-standard stagger in that row as a result. There was a GK64 groub buy on reddit not long ago.
Thanks, I'll take note of that.
Post by: xantiema on Thu, 20 July 2017, 04:39:19
Maybe I can do helmet in number 8, entire armor in number 5, and just tabis or getas in number 2. I'll try making it later and see how it looks.
How are you thinking with regards to the armour - chestplate and leggings all in one key?
I think for this to be viable, you'd have to use a larger area I reckon, but I am looking forward to the mockup :thumb:
Post by: afrokobe on Thu, 20 July 2017, 10:59:19
Post by: hikasaki on Thu, 20 July 2017, 11:44:28
Post by: RedSuns on Thu, 20 July 2017, 14:07:06
Maybe I can do helmet in number 8, entire armor in number 5, and just tabis or getas in number 2. I'll try making it later and see how it looks.
How are you thinking with regards to the armour - chestplate and leggings all in one key?
I think for this to be viable, you'd have to use a larger area I reckon, but I am looking forward to the mockup :thumb:
Well, you could emphasize the upper body more and include the legs so a separate key for the legs aren't needed. The legs aren't really that important, but the footwear would be nice to add. On the other hand, I could just make the chestplate. I think creating the legs in a separate key would just look funny. :))
I want this set incredibly bad, I haven't seen something I wanted this badly in a while.
Glad you like it.
I'm definitely in! I can see it being an big success! Just wondering what happened to the factions novels...I really prefer those.
Which factions/clans specifically? The past ideas are listed under the Novelties orange MORE button, but with the smaller lines I don't know if GMK has the tooling to make it. I was trying to avoid the smaller lines with lines 2 to 3 times that size. Eventually, we ended up with these novelties so far. Novelties can change pretty fast though. Once I get more information from GMK on how the Novelties are made, I would probably place the factions/clans in a separate Novelties kit with the appropriate modifications. Then again novelties should be taken lightly until there are signs of it moving to GB stage. In the meantime, I'll be taking suggestions to improve the kits.
Post by: Prince Duke Electorate on Fri, 28 July 2017, 17:21:43
I don't know if it's too late to suggest this, but a novelty based on Samurai Champloo would really go along with this!
Post by: le_wraith on Fri, 28 July 2017, 18:49:34
Post by: RedSuns on Fri, 28 July 2017, 20:13:19
Man, this looks really cool, I hope I can pick this up!
I don't know if it's too late to suggest this, but a novelty based on Samurai Champloo would really go along with this!
It's not too late. There is plenty of time for suggestions. I was going to add two, which was getas on a 1U key and Mugen's typhoon sword on a larger key for better scaling, but wasn't sure.
I think I am going to watch the series again to see what I should add. If you have something more specific in mind, let me know.
so awesome...stoked for this.
:thumb:
Post by: stand.geek on Sat, 29 July 2017, 00:55:19
I need this for my MOON keyboard!
I ordered a wine red + champagne gold + brass just to match this set.
Post by: RedSuns on Sat, 29 July 2017, 01:30:17
do you have any ETA for this set?
I need this for my MOON keyboard!
I ordered a wine red + champagne gold + brass just to match this set.
Sorry, there is no timeline for this set yet, but I appreciate the extra early preparation. :))
Would definitely like to see pics of it together if this set happens.
Post by: Rumblehotep on Sat, 29 July 2017, 23:34:11
Great design!
Post by: RedSuns on Tue, 01 August 2017, 16:30:31
My god this would be perfect on a lacquered filco.
Great design!
Maybe it would...
Post by: omegafivethreefive on Wed, 02 August 2017, 23:25:34
Post by: Owl- on Sun, 06 August 2017, 17:44:09
One request. For the Gaijin and Hiragana kit, please add an additional R1 1u '\|' for hhkb layout users.
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Post by: _cramil on Sun, 06 August 2017, 22:32:15
Post by: OCloudNine on Mon, 07 August 2017, 00:26:29
Post by: RedSuns on Mon, 07 August 2017, 03:04:58
Loving the set.
One request. For the Gaijin and Hiragana kit, please add an additional R1 1u '\|' for hhkb layout users.
(Attachment Link)
I'll think about it. It does look like it needs it to keep the alphas consistent. Though, I won't be adding new keys to the Hiraganas Alphas Kit until after the Laser gets dropped to see what I should do with the kit. My plan is to keep things efficient with the Hiragana Alphas Kit for GMK and MD. There is no need to mix around alphas and create new molds if it works well with the theme. It's a tough decision on their end because they have to get the price right. My hiragana kit is a little different for the brackets and pipe keys because I prefer them that way, but that could change depending on what GMK and MD wants to do.
On a side note, I am wondering whether I should add a 1U Shift key to base kit with the shift arrow(from Nautilus Ergodox kit) or the word "Shift" to match the HHKB Pro JP, GK64, etc. Might have to wait to see what MiTo will use because I don't think the latter exists and I prefer that one.
Love the colorway of this set. It is pretty unique. I'll be keeping an eye out for this to drop!
Love the colorway of this set, will look out for the GB, definitely buying! Good job so far :thumb:
Thanks for the support. :)
Post by: moecoffee059 on Wed, 09 August 2017, 09:19:31
Post by: JSaintS on Wed, 09 August 2017, 09:23:28
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 09 August 2017, 15:45:13
Nice set, but can i know the color code this set use please ?
No, because the colors are not finalized yet, but it is basically red, brown(can pass off as yellow or gold as others have been saying), and black, if that helps.
Found it this set while on vacation in Rome and couldn't help but vote in the MD poll, do you know how long it will take before seeing it up for sale?
There is a chance that this set will come in 2018(if their 2017 drops goes smoothly) from the recent hints MD have been giving me, but there is no official word from MD for which quarter year. I will update the thread once I have at least the quarter year.
Post by: Rumblehotep on Wed, 09 August 2017, 16:08:13
There is a chance that this set will come in 2018(if their 2017 drops goes smoothly) from the recent hints MD have been giving me, but there is no official word from MD for which quarter year. I will update the thread once I have at least the quarter year.
Is there a way to vote on Massdrop that helps encourage set enabling, like vote for all + base + ?
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 09 August 2017, 17:00:59
There is a chance that this set will come in 2018(if their 2017 drops goes smoothly) from the recent hints MD have been giving me, but there is no official word from MD for which quarter year. I will update the thread once I have at least the quarter year.
Is there a way to vote on Massdrop that helps encourage set enabling, like vote for all + base + ?
From the information I've gathered from all MECH KEYS drops recently, they would usually review the poll and choose a relevant product that is available even if it didn't have the highest vote. In this case, this is just one set with options added by the original creator, so I don't know whether or not they add up the votes or not. Just choose the ones you want most to indicate which item you really want. If you want the majority, just choose All kits. I think the polls will only record the first vote though. If you really want hiraganas just choose hiraganas, but its fate depends on whether GMK will produce them for the Laser. Having this set exist should help because those hiraganas molds will be used again. Still there could be a day where I might be too busy for any of these stuff, but I'll try to make sure it could happen if the terms are agreeable.
To answer the person that asked for average GMK votes in the MD discussion, it would currently be around 2635 votes thanks to Zambumon's record vote count, lol. I manually added the votes that were displayed through the polls options. Though votes are not the deciding factor and drops can happen based on other statistics such as IC, Talk comments, web statistics, or other hidden/unknown factors.
Post by: moecoffee059 on Wed, 09 August 2017, 18:23:28
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 09 August 2017, 18:32:37
Hmm I hope this is N9 modifier, I dont know if black is a good color or not :p
No, this is not N9. The set is using custom colors, but if you're thinking about case options a darker black would be a good choice imo.
Post by: moecoffee059 on Wed, 09 August 2017, 20:04:00
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 09 August 2017, 20:14:09
oh, if yah, I dont care about case color just this set color invidual, if same as carbon also ok, just hope its not pure black :D
I think it's going to be darker than the Carbon, not sure how much darker though. :/
Post by: mgh87 on Fri, 11 August 2017, 08:02:59
Post by: Rumblehotep on Sat, 12 August 2017, 01:16:05
Post by: RSC on Sat, 12 August 2017, 05:18:46
Post by: Prince Duke Electorate on Sat, 12 August 2017, 13:04:19
Man, this looks really cool, I hope I can pick this up!
I don't know if it's too late to suggest this, but a novelty based on Samurai Champloo would really go along with this!
It's not too late. There is plenty of time for suggestions. I was going to add two, which was getas on a 1U key and Mugen's typhoon sword on a larger key for better scaling, but wasn't sure.
I think I am going to watch the series again to see what I should add. If you have something more specific in mind, let me know.
About Samurai Champloo, I think a sunflower on a key might be really nice, considering how it's symbolic of many of the character motives in the show. It might be a complicated design, but maybe a sunflower stalk whose root becomes a sword?
Thanks again!
Post by: RedSuns on Sat, 12 August 2017, 18:18:04
Instabuy for me if you add the "Ç" to the Norde Kit.
Tough call because I don't think the mold for that key exists for GMK sets, so it could be expensive to add. Norde kit numbers in general aren't quite there yet for 100 MOQ. I'll ask MD about it when that time comes.
Man, this looks really cool, I hope I can pick this up!
I don't know if it's too late to suggest this, but a novelty based on Samurai Champloo would really go along with this!
It's not too late. There is plenty of time for suggestions. I was going to add two, which was getas on a 1U key and Mugen's typhoon sword on a larger key for better scaling, but wasn't sure.
I think I am going to watch the series again to see what I should add. If you have something more specific in mind, let me know.
About Samurai Champloo, I think a sunflower on a key might be really nice, considering how it's symbolic of many of the character motives in the show. It might be a complicated design, but maybe a sunflower stalk whose root becomes a sword?
Thanks again!
Nice idea, but I have some other things in mind. I'm holding back because of the additional expenses, but I might just add some things later on to check the interest. Though it's not a guarantee it would be added to the set.
Post by: moecoffee059 on Thu, 31 August 2017, 19:51:00
Post by: GreyAmbience on Mon, 04 September 2017, 12:59:06
Hmm, do u think this can on sale in this year ?
I would love to know this as well
Post by: RedSuns on Mon, 04 September 2017, 15:13:25
Hmm, do u think this can on sale in this year ?
Hmm, do u think this can on sale in this year ?
I would love to know this as well
Again, I would expect it to be some time in 2018, which is what I got from MD Support. Lots of things will be more clear in a few months.
Post by: stand.geek on Tue, 05 September 2017, 00:50:10
Hmm, do u think this can on sale in this year ?Hmm, do u think this can on sale in this year ?
I would love to know this as well
Again, I would expect it to be some time in 2018, which is what I got from MD Support. Lots of things will be more clear in a few months.
Please make it Q1 2018, my MOON will be waiting for this :p
Post by: GreyAmbience on Tue, 05 September 2017, 02:46:37
Hmm, do u think this can on sale in this year ?Hmm, do u think this can on sale in this year ?
I would love to know this as well
Again, I would expect it to be some time in 2018, which is what I got from MD Support. Lots of things will be more clear in a few months.
Have you considered using ZFronier? My experience with them has been way better than massdrop! No delays, good pricing and really fast production/shipping.
Post by: RedSuns on Tue, 05 September 2017, 04:44:12
Please make it Q1 2018, my MOON will be waiting for this :p
I would if I could. :))
Have you considered using ZFronier? My experience with them has been way better than massdrop! No delays, good pricing and really fast production/shipping.
I prefer Massdrop for this set. We all just have to be patient. In the future, if I decide to design more sets I'll consider trying other vendors.
Post by: JSaintS on Tue, 05 September 2017, 04:47:32
Post by: RedSuns on Tue, 05 September 2017, 05:18:01
I would much prefer zfrontier specially after what happened with MD and them screwing so many people in china. I already ordered from zfrontier and it went smoothly
I don't know the story behind that, but maybe some of them are actually scammers. Have you seen those videos where people jump in front of cars on purpose? It's quite common.
But whether zFrontier is good or not, I don't plan on changing vendors for this set unless I really have to.
Post by: JSaintS on Tue, 05 September 2017, 05:20:17
Either one or the other I will get the set, I was just sharing my opinion :-)
Post by: RedSuns on Tue, 05 September 2017, 05:45:29
There was a post on Reddit about it. Basically they promised to refund a partial order for 3.9k usd for the SA Godspeed as they don't have enough stock to fulfill all.the orders.
Either one or the other I will get the set, I was just sharing my opinion :-)
I think I read that post before, but I wouldn't spend that much at once anyway. For me personally, no issues with MD so far.
Post by: GreyAmbience on Wed, 06 September 2017, 02:10:43
There was a post on Reddit about it. Basically they promised to refund a partial order for 3.9k usd for the SA Godspeed as they don't have enough stock to fulfill all.the orders.
Either one or the other I will get the set, I was just sharing my opinion :-)
I think I read that post before, but I wouldn't spend that much at once anyway. For me personally, no issues with MD so far.
Massdrop has delays, high shipping costs, slow packaging and shipping, extra taxation for EU (They don't underdeclare), poor customer service.
My experience with zFrontier (3 sets so far) has been perfect. They ship exactly on time and the sets arrive underdeclared and the customer service is also great.
I really think you should at least consider them. You would probably also be able to get this thing on the road way sooner.
Only suggesting this because I really love the design of this set :)
Post by: JSaintS on Wed, 06 September 2017, 02:17:08
I think I read that post before, but I wouldn't spend that much at once anyway. For me personally, no issues with MD so far.
It wasn't for one person only, it was 1 order, yes, but it was a proxy for China. That means they screwed up and now dozens of people back there won't get their order. That would infuriate me if I ordered this set and it got delayed just like the godspeed (unlikely, but still).
Massdrop has delays, high shipping costs, slow packaging and shipping, extra taxation for EU (They don't underdeclare), poor customer service.
My experience with zFrontier (3 sets so far) has been perfect. They ship exactly on time and the sets arrive underdeclared and the customer service is also great.
I really think you should at least consider them. You would probably also be able to get this thing on the road way sooner.
Only suggesting this because I really love the design of this set :)
I totaly agree with this; I live in Europe and this has been my experience with zFrontier! Got their pbt vulcan GID keyset and paid exactly 0€ of import fees. With MD, on the other hand, I had to pay around 25-30€ for a KC-21 Numpad which I order from MD for around 30€ shipped! That makes it quite expensive for a plastic numpad.
Post by: Auk on Wed, 06 September 2017, 06:23:22
Red Samurai is a strong design and it stands out amongst a lot of 'me too' keysets, I'm sure it would sell very well via any of the bigger GB retailers known amongst the community here and on Reddit, but there are a lot of extra kits and Massdrop is the place where I'd have the highest confidence of getting them all made.
Post by: avid on Wed, 06 September 2017, 06:44:46
If a small vendor screwed up once - would you boycott them forever? Massdrop have screwed up some orders - once - out of what - hundreds of keysets?
Post by: JSaintS on Wed, 06 September 2017, 06:48:56
massdrop is great. They basically run a keyset once a month and the godspeed is the only problem ive heard about (where they sent out doubles to some people leaving some people without sets). I dont expect that to repeat itself and also GMK is delivered in boxes while SA in bags, so would be much harder to screw up.
If a small vendor screwed up once - would you boycott them forever? Massdrop have screwed up some orders - once - out of what - hundreds of keysets?
Totaly not! :D I would still gladly buy from them :) My main "complaint" was about the import fees which were as high as the product. On the basis of 110USD for this set, the import fees would around 40-45€ for me, which is why I spoke about zfrontier.
Actually it's my fault, I jumped in the thread and commented after just reading the last comment of the discussion in which zFrontier was mentionned; I should have read the complete conversation before commenting. My bad :(
Post by: xantiema on Wed, 06 September 2017, 07:38:26
massdrop is great. They basically run a keyset once a month and the godspeed is the only problem ive heard about (where they sent out doubles to some people leaving some people without sets). I dont expect that to repeat itself and also GMK is delivered in boxes while SA in bags, so would be much harder to screw up.
If a small vendor screwed up once - would you boycott them forever? Massdrop have screwed up some orders - once - out of what - hundreds of keysets?
Screwed me on 1/1 orders ^-^
Post by: Uhmmmm on Mon, 18 September 2017, 19:11:32
I like set color
Post by: spkmic on Tue, 19 September 2017, 03:52:51
Post by: LDobler on Tue, 19 September 2017, 05:08:10
Post by: JSaintS on Wed, 04 October 2017, 05:22:13
Post by: TalkingTree on Wed, 04 October 2017, 05:27:20
Post by: GreyAmbience on Thu, 05 October 2017, 05:06:36
Japanese Dragon
(https://i.imgur.com/6Y2gzuf.png)
Japanese Flag
(https://i.imgur.com/ZQDNg7Q.png)
TMNT
(https://i.imgur.com/TECyZLo.png)
YinYang
(https://i.imgur.com/AjnnKRE.png)
Kabuto
(https://i.imgur.com/dQMs9rZ.png)
ShiShi (Stone Lion Guardian)
(https://i.imgur.com/gf9r7gU.png)
Shuriken 1
(https://i.imgur.com/nDD9Ltj.png)
Shuriken 2
(https://i.imgur.com/w1kFTAP.png)
TMNT
(https://i.imgur.com/3RO3IlS.png)
Cherry Blossom
(https://i.imgur.com/2OO95fk.png)
- The japanese warriors studies balance and zen mastery intensely, therefor I think the yin-yang would make an excellent contribution
- The dragon would look pretty bad ass if it's possible to make such a complicated mold. Also a good match to keyforge Orochi
- The flag is a must have in my humble opinion. Take note not to use the rising sun flag as it is basically the same as a swastika
- Katana, Bo, Nunchuck, Sai and Shurikens? =TMNT!!!!
- Kabuto in a more simple edition
- Shurikens in a more simple edition
- Shishi stone guardian would look pretty incredible with one of Keyforge's shishi's
- Cherry Blossom for when you are feeling the softness of the Japanese spring
Post by: midnightrun on Thu, 05 October 2017, 09:28:54
Post by: BlackInk on Fri, 06 October 2017, 09:07:13
Post by: GreyAmbience on Fri, 06 October 2017, 09:08:24
There is a vote contest on MD, why i dont see this set on the list?Good question! Redsuns?
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Post by: RedSuns on Fri, 06 October 2017, 11:52:01
There is a vote contest on MD, why i dont see this set on the list?Good question! Redsuns?
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I am pretty sure I read the rules correctly, so I felt joining this contest would be unfair.
1) I was told it would be a popularity contest beforehand which means any gh or MD old-timer would already have their own fanbase that will likely support their set old or new. Also, since I knew about it beforehand, I felt it would be unfair to join as I would already have a head start even if I did design something new. Color selections can be quick, but having the right novelties could take time if people don't like it or want more.
2) I already had 3D renders and I was sure people joining wouldn't want to or be able to afford nice ones or the lines for render service providers would be congested in the given the short time span for the contest.
3) This IC has been going well-over a week, so many people already know about it.
(https://i.imgur.com/00Ah2Da.png)
Requires a specific template.
(https://i.imgur.com/iO4GIIt.png)
Rule says only one week to build hype.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZVqaymr.png)
This project is presented the old-fashioned way because I want REALLY want the coverage for other kits. Also, as far as feasibility goes, I am waiting for molds such as hiraganas, 1u shift key, and have to decide whether I should do anything to the hiragana kit, novelties, or add/remove anything. So, I think it would be wise to just wait a bit. Besides, it would be like telling me to start over or the coverage would clearly be an advantage, which is why the contest template needs to be strictly followed and also the novelty profiles or limit was not addressed. (e.g. how many R1, R2, R3, R4 novelties is feasible? (what if I made 20 that fits well with it?), do icon mods count as novelties?, are certain row profile keys for novelties easier to produce than another?, etc.).
PS: I already read everyone's old comments just didn't want this thread to notify everyone watching the thread for something unrelated to the next phase, but I felt I should answer this question to avoid rumors. There are some details I need to confirm before I even decide anything or attempt to make any changes and that requires some waiting time to get my questions answered when they are ready to talk to me.
Post by: GreyAmbience on Fri, 20 October 2017, 03:27:00
Post by: mudcakehoney on Fri, 20 October 2017, 04:08:44
Post by: Denisgsv on Fri, 20 October 2017, 05:36:09
Post by: BlackInk on Fri, 20 October 2017, 18:34:46
Any news of this sets timeline?
Op said he’s waiting for some mold such as hiraganas so we gotta wait for GMK laser to drop first
Hopefully GB will start in Q1 2018
Post by: GreyAmbience on Sat, 21 October 2017, 00:43:11
Damn, this will end up being a the longest wait I've ever done I think. Thank for the info :)Any news of this sets timeline?
Op said he’s waiting for some mold such as hiraganas so we gotta wait for GMK laser to drop first
Hopefully GB will start in Q1 2018
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Post by: King4477 on Wed, 25 October 2017, 11:42:31
Post by: ICyinCake on Thu, 26 October 2017, 06:58:58
Post by: acme64 on Thu, 02 November 2017, 00:33:37
Post by: PainMaster on Thu, 02 November 2017, 00:43:39
looks like very politely.
really good ~!.
Post by: jeperstone on Thu, 02 November 2017, 03:28:06
im sure you're all aware but laser drops tomorrow. we're one hurdle closer!
exactly what I thought when I saw the laser drop schedule!
Post by: BlackInk on Thu, 02 November 2017, 20:36:05
Post by: KorbenDallas on Fri, 03 November 2017, 02:10:53
Post by: GreyAmbience on Fri, 03 November 2017, 03:20:23
Laser looks really nice, but i was truly excited to see the Hiragana (Kobe) alphas available making it a possibility for this set. I'm banking on those legends (fingers crossed) ;DWow I hadn't even thought about that.
Post by: BrintaVett on Fri, 03 November 2017, 16:13:04
Post by: PoisonHeadcrab on Mon, 06 November 2017, 04:04:44
However, like others mentioned as well, the design of the novelty keycap with the katana and sheath doesn't work very well imho. Even just centering the sheath in regards to the sword might help, just a single sword or a whole set of katana, wakizashi and tanto would probably look better too.
Overall, I'd love to see more novelties and symbolic keys, so that you could have a complete keycap set in a minimalist design without any Latin letters/English text at all.
Post by: Ouster on Mon, 06 November 2017, 20:55:01
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Post by: Shady Yoga Instructor on Thu, 09 November 2017, 12:09:51
Post by: sensamasen on Wed, 15 November 2017, 10:40:26
Post by: holtenc on Wed, 15 November 2017, 20:23:14
Post by: mbljs5555 on Mon, 20 November 2017, 13:58:14
Post by: joelfong on Thu, 23 November 2017, 09:33:39
Also, not a big fan of the novelties. Some of the caps seem a bit off balanced and it's overall a bit too cheesy imo.
So it's just the final bit of touchups and it should be ready to go!
Post by: King4477 on Thu, 23 November 2017, 13:11:53
Looks pretty decent as a whole. Would be nice to have better keyboard compatibility like in GMK Laser's base kit though. Especially for the 1u caps with legends for planck/preonic. I personally think GMK Laser's base kit is the best GMK base kit so far that can satisfy a large number of users without too many add-on kits.
Also, not a big fan of the novelties. Some of the caps seem a bit off balanced and it's overall a bit too cheesy imo.
So it's just the final bit of touchups and it should be ready to go!
Tend to agree. I don’t need the throwing stars, katanas, or shurikens. Prefer to class it up a bit.
Post by: reccatyo on Thu, 23 November 2017, 23:34:13
Post by: luismonterieart on Sat, 25 November 2017, 11:33:40
Post by: PhantomTaco on Mon, 27 November 2017, 09:19:19
Post by: JSaintS on Mon, 27 November 2017, 09:23:14
My last question was a real one... Why not run it through them?
Post by: avid on Mon, 27 November 2017, 09:36:17
Ok, considering all the fuzz with MD and seeing how well and fast zfrontier is handling their stuff, I am going to ask it one more time. Is it possible to run it through them instead of MD? They (zfrontier) proved that they can run a set with a **** ton of kits (can't remember the name but it was for a DSA kit not long ago), they are professionals, and I didn't pay import fees on my ocean dolce keyset (169$ kit), I got it in three days and didn't pay a dime for shipping. What more is there to want?
My last question was a real one... Why not run it through them?
The MD hate-train is tiresome. If you already asked for it and he said no, why do you think asking the same question again will change anything? I believe this is already in the que for MD and could potentially be next GMK set in line.
Post by: JSaintS on Mon, 27 November 2017, 09:46:23
Except it's completely wrong. Tiresome or not, if there is a hate train it means there must be something wrong and zfrontier is far from lacking experience IMHO. They even ran the Time tkl GB. I'm asking again because I figured that since time passed, the answer might have changed.
It's not like I want to be a pain or something, I want the same as you, I want the kit to become a thing, that's all.
Edit: I have to admit that after a second read of my previous message, it seems way too passive aggressive. I was genuinely asking it his stance on it changed and if the reasons where still the same
Post by: aspenc4 on Mon, 27 November 2017, 11:01:23
They (zfrontier) proved that they can run a set with a **** ton of kits (can't remember the name but it was for a DSA kit not long ago)
DSA Starry Night. Should deliver early December, very excited for mine to arrive.
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Post by: JSaintS on Mon, 27 November 2017, 11:03:26
They (zfrontier) proved that they can run a set with a **** ton of kits (can't remember the name but it was for a DSA kit not long ago)
DSA Starry Night. Should deliver early December, very excited for mine to arrive.
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there you go! that was the one! They really gained a lot of credit with this set imo.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 27 November 2017, 13:24:25
Except it's completely wrong. Tiresome or not, if there is a hate train it means there must be something wrong and zfrontier is far from lacking experience IMHO.
Correlation != Causality.
The Massdrop hate also ignores the sales numbers. You can hate it all you want, but Massdrop consistently hits price points 2-3 levels cheaper than any other vendor.
Post by: JSaintS on Mon, 27 November 2017, 14:37:35
Correlation != Causality.
This I can agree on, I have to admit I have a bias point of view on the question as 3 of my 4 past purchases have been meh, at best.
The Massdrop hate also ignores the sales numbers. You can hate it all you want, but Massdrop consistently hits price points 2-3 levels cheaper than any other vendor.
This is highly driven by where you live. I have had to pay 30€ (not USD, EUR) on a 26USD artisan from idea23. I've had to pay almost 50€ (again, EUR, not USD) during the last closet sale to get my keysets. I am under the impression that most, if not all, the people defending MD live in the USA, which excludes us, poor non-US citizens...
In this configuration, shipping and import fees included, I really challenge you to prove me that MD is less expensive than zFrontier.
Post by: moecoffee059 on Mon, 27 November 2017, 17:43:02
Post by: BlackInk on Tue, 28 November 2017, 02:56:45
Post by: JSaintS on Tue, 28 November 2017, 03:35:08
I have no problem with MD, they will help this set to reach the highest moq with the lowest price tho
I'm pretty much done arguing about this. If this set has to be done through MD to become something real, so be it, I won't join and wait for someone in Europe to be bored of it to get it.
But again, you live in the US and you guys (this is not directed to you nor is it a criticism, it's just an observation) tend to forget the States is not the entire world. My only "problem" is that I don't understand why another site, one that is not MD and that offers better pricing for the rest of the world whilst still offering the same pricing for you guys in the states, has to be dismissed. The fact that it will help it reach the highest moq (with the lowest price) is not true per say if the right link is shared here and on reddit/slack/discord/etc.
Post by: alisonica on Wed, 29 November 2017, 20:13:34
If this set doesn't happen, i will use my keys to carve the words "GMK MOQ, MURDERER OF DREAMS" on both cases and hang them on the streets outside GMK GmbH as a demonstration to them how the MOQ Regime is killing the dreams of diversity and innovation.
SA berserker went with white mods (shoots own head)
Post by: ninjacore on Wed, 29 November 2017, 21:24:28
Post by: Koatl on Wed, 20 December 2017, 01:06:52
I'm on the hunt for an RF 91u, and would love to slap these alphas on it if full JIS is possible. Will buy a set either way though.
Post by: RedSuns on Wed, 20 December 2017, 03:35:37
I know MD is currently busy with other keycap sets, so I'll ask them for an update some time next year. I assume they have something planned by now.
Happy Holidays!
Post by: enthal007br on Fri, 05 January 2018, 16:48:18
Post by: ZayaCaps on Sun, 07 January 2018, 16:54:21
Bumping for visibility. Been eyeing this for most of December. Any new leads?
What they said. Any new info on this set? I've been eyeing it up for quite awhile now.
Post by: darkslay3r on Sun, 07 January 2018, 21:49:05
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 08 January 2018, 00:00:33
I plan to update the kits, but not anytime soon. I am not entirely sure what I want to do with it since I would need more information from MD on what's available to me.
I know MD is currently busy with other keycap sets, so I'll ask them for an update some time next year. I assume they have something planned by now.
Happy Holidays!
Oi, when you pick this back up, will you consider adding the few keys that are missing for full JIS support from the mito kits?
Post by: tragedyfoundus on Tue, 09 January 2018, 12:43:03
Post by: Rumblehotep on Tue, 09 January 2018, 20:02:51
Post by: moemoe666 on Tue, 09 January 2018, 20:36:17
Love this colorway <3
Post by: vtachkov on Tue, 09 January 2018, 20:45:14
Love this set. I'm gonna wait for this instead of getting the GMK Camping set.
Why not both? This can't happen soon enough! Especially now that it seems like the Time TKL is years ahead of schedule.
Post by: tragedyfoundus on Tue, 09 January 2018, 20:51:49
Love this set. I'm gonna wait for this instead of getting the GMK Camping set.
Why not both? This can't happen soon enough! Especially now that it seems like the Time TKL is years ahead of schedule.
I plan on buying a custom 60% on here tomorrow along with the Gundam set for my girlfriend, plus I've bought too many artisans and BKE domes for my HHKB. My wallet needs some rest haha. :-[
Post by: GreyAmbience on Thu, 11 January 2018, 03:21:09
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/582925ac9de4bb1fe2f58a15/5948271eb11be15c4be442d3/5948271fd2b85788b726b47f/1497900885257/JHM_2077.jpg)
Post by: Klau on Thu, 18 January 2018, 00:56:41
*edit: omg I didn't see it on the right side of the layout picture this is perfect and needs to happen I can't wait
Post by: 19MODL on Thu, 18 January 2018, 00:59:17
Post by: Johnee on Thu, 18 January 2018, 06:15:13
Doing the GB through smaller vendors will enable you to have proxies on different continents making it much easier for non-US buyers to join. It would mean less hassle with import fees and VAT, better shipping services. I'm sure you would be able to find many vendors interested in carrying this set.
Please excuse me if this has already been discussed.
Post by: Marvellion on Thu, 18 January 2018, 07:03:53
Please reconsider massdrop. I will most likely not receive my GMK nautilus sets because the international shipping service massdrop use seem to have lost my package. I will probably not join a massdrop GB again and would advice anybody else from outside the US against doing it as well. At least until they get their act together. I will most likely get my money back, but it's just not worth the hassle and uncertainty as to what (if anything) you will receive.
Doing the GB through smaller vendors will enable you to have proxies on different continents making it much easier for non-US buyers to join. It would mean less hassle with import fees and VAT, better shipping services. I'm sure you would be able to find many vendors interested in carrying this set.
Please excuse me if this has already been discussed.
It is quite the opposite in my experience. 3 of my purchases from small vendors have been lost while several MD purchases have been all good. I prefer Zfrontier myself but MD is better than all the small vendors in my opinion. But still they should fix their shipping issues like the one you had and also have an EU Depot.
Post by: GreyAmbience on Thu, 18 January 2018, 15:10:44
Please reconsider massdrop. I will most likely not receive my GMK nautilus sets because the international shipping service massdrop use seem to have lost my package. I will probably not join a massdrop GB again and would advice anybody else from outside the US against doing it as well. At least until they get their act together. I will most likely get my money back, but it's just not worth the hassle and uncertainty as to what (if anything) you will receive.Thus should be said again and again, massdrop is horrible for anyone not in the US. Also makes a lot of shipping mistakes/delays.
Doing the GB through smaller vendors will enable you to have proxies on different continents making it much easier for non-US buyers to join. It would mean less hassle with import fees and VAT, better shipping services. I'm sure you would be able to find many vendors interested in carrying this set.
Please excuse me if this has already been discussed.
Please don't use massdrop. Zfrontier is a way better company.
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Post by: JSaintS on Thu, 18 January 2018, 15:46:41
Please reconsider massdrop. I will most likely not receive my GMK nautilus sets because the international shipping service massdrop use seem to have lost my package. I will probably not join a massdrop GB again and would advice anybody else from outside the US against doing it as well. At least until they get their act together. I will most likely get my money back, but it's just not worth the hassle and uncertainty as to what (if anything) you will receive.Thus should be said again and again, massdrop is horrible for anyone not in the US. Also makes a lot of shipping mistakes/delays.
Doing the GB through smaller vendors will enable you to have proxies on different continents making it much easier for non-US buyers to join. It would mean less hassle with import fees and VAT, better shipping services. I'm sure you would be able to find many vendors interested in carrying this set.
Please excuse me if this has already been discussed.
Please don't use massdrop. Zfrontier is a way better company.
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Zfrontier has been killing it recently! Plus they sponsor top clack :cool:
Post by: tanvir175 on Sat, 20 January 2018, 15:42:02
I plan to update the kits, but not anytime soon. I am not entirely sure what I want to do with it since I would need more information from MD on what's available to me.
I know MD is currently busy with other keycap sets, so I'll ask them for an update some time next year. I assume they have something planned by now.
Happy Holidays!
Any updates?
Post by: Unforgivable on Mon, 22 January 2018, 22:19:40
Post by: Etherealsound on Wed, 24 January 2018, 00:59:53
Please reconsider massdrop. I will most likely not receive my GMK nautilus sets because the international shipping service massdrop use seem to have lost my package. I will probably not join a massdrop GB again and would advice anybody else from outside the US against doing it as well. At least until they get their act together. I will most likely get my money back, but it's just not worth the hassle and uncertainty as to what (if anything) you will receive.Thus should be said again and again, massdrop is horrible for anyone not in the US. Also makes a lot of shipping mistakes/delays.
Doing the GB through smaller vendors will enable you to have proxies on different continents making it much easier for non-US buyers to join. It would mean less hassle with import fees and VAT, better shipping services. I'm sure you would be able to find many vendors interested in carrying this set.
Please excuse me if this has already been discussed.
Please don't use massdrop. Zfrontier is a way better company.
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Super excited for this and I'm really crossing my fingers that this happens as I'm a huge fan of both the colorways and Madara. And I also second this. If you can, using zFrontier would be much appreciated.
Post by: wixxzblu on Wed, 24 January 2018, 10:58:30
Please reconsider massdrop. I will most likely not receive my GMK nautilus sets because the international shipping service massdrop use seem to have lost my package. I will probably not join a massdrop GB again and would advice anybody else from outside the US against doing it as well. At least until they get their act together. I will most likely get my money back, but it's just not worth the hassle and uncertainty as to what (if anything) you will receive.Thus should be said again and again, massdrop is horrible for anyone not in the US. Also makes a lot of shipping mistakes/delays.
Doing the GB through smaller vendors will enable you to have proxies on different continents making it much easier for non-US buyers to join. It would mean less hassle with import fees and VAT, better shipping services. I'm sure you would be able to find many vendors interested in carrying this set.
Please excuse me if this has already been discussed.
Please don't use massdrop. Zfrontier is a way better company.
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Super excited for this and I'm really crossing my fingers that this happens as I'm a huge fan of both the colorways and Madara. And I also second this. If you can, using zFrontier would be much appreciated.
+1
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 24 January 2018, 11:39:11
Please reconsider massdrop. I will most likely not receive my GMK nautilus sets because the international shipping service massdrop use seem to have lost my package. I will probably not join a massdrop GB again and would advice anybody else from outside the US against doing it as well. At least until they get their act together. I will most likely get my money back, but it's just not worth the hassle and uncertainty as to what (if anything) you will receive.Thus should be said again and again, massdrop is horrible for anyone not in the US. Also makes a lot of shipping mistakes/delays.
Doing the GB through smaller vendors will enable you to have proxies on different continents making it much easier for non-US buyers to join. It would mean less hassle with import fees and VAT, better shipping services. I'm sure you would be able to find many vendors interested in carrying this set.
Please excuse me if this has already been discussed.
Please don't use massdrop. Zfrontier is a way better company.
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Can't say I share this experience. All my keysets have always made it safely to my doorstep with me paying VAT at the door and be done with it. To me, it has been on the same level of satisfaction as if I had bought it from a vendor in the UK or so.
Just wanna chime in a positive experience.
Post by: JSaintS on Wed, 24 January 2018, 11:42:21
Please reconsider massdrop. I will most likely not receive my GMK nautilus sets because the international shipping service massdrop use seem to have lost my package. I will probably not join a massdrop GB again and would advice anybody else from outside the US against doing it as well. At least until they get their act together. I will most likely get my money back, but it's just not worth the hassle and uncertainty as to what (if anything) you will receive.Thus should be said again and again, massdrop is horrible for anyone not in the US. Also makes a lot of shipping mistakes/delays.
Doing the GB through smaller vendors will enable you to have proxies on different continents making it much easier for non-US buyers to join. It would mean less hassle with import fees and VAT, better shipping services. I'm sure you would be able to find many vendors interested in carrying this set.
Please excuse me if this has already been discussed.
Please don't use massdrop. Zfrontier is a way better company.
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Can't say I share this experience. All my keysets have always made it safely to my doorstep with me paying VAT at the door and be done with it. To me, it has been on the same level of satisfaction as if I had bought it from a vendor in the UK or so.
Just wanna chime in a positive experience.
That is nice. What if you could just not pay for customs tho? I've never paid custom fees with zfrontier and my order were for 100 and 169usd.
Post by: Johnee on Wed, 24 January 2018, 11:56:14
Please reconsider massdrop. I will most likely not receive my GMK nautilus sets because the international shipping service massdrop use seem to have lost my package. I will probably not join a massdrop GB again and would advice anybody else from outside the US against doing it as well. At least until they get their act together. I will most likely get my money back, but it's just not worth the hassle and uncertainty as to what (if anything) you will receive.Thus should be said again and again, massdrop is horrible for anyone not in the US. Also makes a lot of shipping mistakes/delays.
Doing the GB through smaller vendors will enable you to have proxies on different continents making it much easier for non-US buyers to join. It would mean less hassle with import fees and VAT, better shipping services. I'm sure you would be able to find many vendors interested in carrying this set.
Please excuse me if this has already been discussed.
Please don't use massdrop. Zfrontier is a way better company.
Sent from my ONEPLUS A5000 using Tapatalk
Can't say I share this experience. All my keysets have always made it safely to my doorstep with me paying VAT at the door and be done with it. To me, it has been on the same level of satisfaction as if I had bought it from a vendor in the UK or so.
Just wanna chime in a positive experience.
I received my nautilus sets this week. :)) I had just written them off already due to no tracking updates for weeks (last update in december when I wrote the above comment).
I think the customs process varies a lot from country to country. We have it quite good here in Finland as well but I've read some sad anecdotes from other countries on here.
If I ever buy something from massdrop again it will still feel a little bit like a gamble, considering all the drama recently. But I guess GMK sets should be quite safe tho as the sorting is done by GMK and not Massdrop?
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 24 January 2018, 11:56:51
Please reconsider massdrop. I will most likely not receive my GMK nautilus sets because the international shipping service massdrop use seem to have lost my package. I will probably not join a massdrop GB again and would advice anybody else from outside the US against doing it as well. At least until they get their act together. I will most likely get my money back, but it's just not worth the hassle and uncertainty as to what (if anything) you will receive.Thus should be said again and again, massdrop is horrible for anyone not in the US. Also makes a lot of shipping mistakes/delays.
Doing the GB through smaller vendors will enable you to have proxies on different continents making it much easier for non-US buyers to join. It would mean less hassle with import fees and VAT, better shipping services. I'm sure you would be able to find many vendors interested in carrying this set.
Please excuse me if this has already been discussed.
Please don't use massdrop. Zfrontier is a way better company.
Sent from my ONEPLUS A5000 using Tapatalk
Can't say I share this experience. All my keysets have always made it safely to my doorstep with me paying VAT at the door and be done with it. To me, it has been on the same level of satisfaction as if I had bought it from a vendor in the UK or so.
Just wanna chime in a positive experience.
That is nice. What if you could just not pay for customs tho? I've never paid custom fees with zfrontier and my order were for 100 and 169usd.
Customs in Germany is only the regular 19% VAT for keyboard parts (falls in PC parts category). If I ordered it from a EU vendor, I would pay that amount while ordering already. In the end, both come out at the same cost. This is of course different for some other countries.
But I guess GMK sets should be quite safe tho as the sorting is done by GMK and not Massdrop?
GMK sorts the keys, but they then ship the entire order to Massdrop's warehouse in New Jersey from where it is sent to each individual customer.
Post by: JSaintS on Wed, 24 January 2018, 11:59:08
I can't remember if it was from.gmk or not tho.
If you ask me, that's stupid : why ship.thode to the states then back to Europe again? And for Belgium it is 21% + a flat 15€. But we don't pay bat for objects purchased in Europe, that's what the Schengen space is for
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 24 January 2018, 12:04:45
Wasn't there a problem with a keyset order for China that got completely canceled by MD because they screwed up and couldn't send the Chinese proxy all of the keysets that were originally ordered?
I can't remember if it was from.gmk or not tho.
SA Godspeed. I got some info from various entities of what went on behind the scenes and from what I can tell the fault does not lie with MD entirely.
There are certainly cases where MD has ****ed up in the past, but people blame too much on them IMO. The most important thing to me that MD exceeds in is that your money is safe with them. If the product never arrives or is faulty, you'll always see your money again. With some GB runners you'll not have that luxury, and I've also heard of certain vendors ignoring refund requests on other things (I won't mention these here as I cannot confirm that to be true).
Post by: dyrdevil on Tue, 30 January 2018, 04:23:27
Post by: Rumblehotep on Tue, 30 January 2018, 09:41:26
Post by: kiettv12 on Tue, 30 January 2018, 11:08:19
Post by: euphxenos on Tue, 30 January 2018, 13:40:47
Post by: RedSuns on Fri, 02 February 2018, 22:42:13
The kits seen in this thread is now outdated. Updated kits will be seen in the drop page when it goes live on Massdrop.
https://www.massdrop.com/talk/3228/gmk-red-samurai
Post by: lzlzh035 on Sat, 03 February 2018, 00:23:39
Coming Soon.
The kits seen in this thread is now outdated. Updated kits will be seen in the drop page when it goes live on Massdrop.
https://www.massdrop.com/talk/3228/gmk-red-samurai
Only two kits will go live?
Post by: RedSuns on Sat, 03 February 2018, 00:38:22
Coming Soon.
The kits seen in this thread is now outdated. Updated kits will be seen in the drop page when it goes live on Massdrop.
https://www.massdrop.com/talk/3228/gmk-red-samurai
Only two kits will go live?
The rest is below the gaijin/hiraganas renders. All kits will go live.
Post by: mudcakehoney on Sat, 03 February 2018, 00:40:27
Coming Soon.
The kits seen in this thread is now outdated. Updated kits will be seen in the drop page when it goes live on Massdrop.
https://www.massdrop.com/talk/3228/gmk-red-samurai
Only two kits will go live?
The way I'm reading it is there's the base kit:
"Base Kit - The base kit provides proper coverage for a wide selection of form factors and layouts. This is the primary kit that will get you started.
And then the add ons:
Gaijin and/or Hiragana Add-ons - With your choice of Gaijin (Latin w/ Hiragana) or Hiragana monolegends, these elegant add-on kits will provide you with intense and minimalist options for your keyboard. Whether you love the Japanese culture, or just their food, these are for you!
Novelties - Travel back to the age of the samurais. The novelties kit feature alternative color arrow keys, VIM navigation highlights for programmers, and ninja/samurai-inspired novelties to unleash your inner warrior!
Norde Kit - This is a full Norde kit providing Danish, Finnish, German, Norwegian, and Swedish characters for foreign layouts. An uncompromised kit for Nordic users of all skill levels.
DC Kit - The DC kit provides coverage for the Dvorak and Colemak layouts with homing barred and scooped H, U, N, T keys which are best combined with the Base kit. These particular layouts are said to help you type with less strain on your fingers and possibly even faster.
ErgoPlanck Kit - Meant to fit like a glove, the ErgoDox and Planck blanks kit contain the necessary modifiers keycaps for ErgoDox and Planck keyboards.
Spacebars - Alternative colored spacebars in a variety of sizes for different layouts, so you can switch colors whenever you’d like."
Post by: tanvir175 on Sat, 03 February 2018, 01:23:19
Coming Soon.
The kits seen in this thread is now outdated. Updated kits will be seen in the drop page when it goes live on Massdrop.
https://www.massdrop.com/talk/3228/gmk-red-samurai
My body could literally not be more ready. My wallet could be but that's besides the point.
Post by: Aktavate on Sat, 03 February 2018, 01:28:14
Post by: 19MODL on Sat, 03 February 2018, 03:04:45
Coming Soon.
The kits seen in this thread is now outdated. Updated kits will be seen in the drop page when it goes live on Massdrop.
https://www.massdrop.com/talk/3228/gmk-red-samurai
Thank you...
Post by: LeoShi on Sat, 03 February 2018, 03:05:43
Post by: tacahiroy on Sat, 03 February 2018, 05:12:47
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Post by: vtachkov on Sat, 03 February 2018, 10:56:53
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Sat, 03 February 2018, 10:59:43
Post by: BlackInk on Sat, 03 February 2018, 12:42:51
Post by: hhkbp2 on Sun, 04 February 2018, 02:12:08
Post by: tragedyfoundus on Sun, 04 February 2018, 04:46:04
It seems a perfect match with the Tokyo 60 khttps://open.spotify.com/track/7jJKB8zZYQLehp8uP5Wice?si=PgUk2IK3Qdm9wtfgOWmevQeyboard to me. Time to get the ball rolling.
I was going to get the Tokyo60 but they'll be doing lots of runs of that, so I'm gonna get the M60-A.
Post by: azachhh on Sun, 04 February 2018, 07:43:17
Post by: hhkbp2 on Sun, 04 February 2018, 08:52:09
It seems a perfect match with the Tokyo 60 khttps://open.spotify.com/track/7jJKB8zZYQLehp8uP5Wice?si=PgUk2IK3Qdm9wtfgOWmevQeyboard to me. Time to get the ball rolling.
I was going to get the Tokyo60 but they'll be doing lots of runs of that, so I'm gonna get the M60-A.
Sorry this question may be a bit off this thread, but I still wanna ask. What's the problem with "lots of runs" exactly?
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 04 February 2018, 08:54:26
It seems a perfect match with the Tokyo 60 khttps://open.spotify.com/track/7jJKB8zZYQLehp8uP5Wice?si=PgUk2IK3Qdm9wtfgOWmevQeyboard to me. Time to get the ball rolling.
I was going to get the Tokyo60 but they'll be doing lots of runs of that, so I'm gonna get the M60-A.
Sorry this question may be a bit off this thread, but I still wanna ask. What's the problem with "lots of runs" exactly?
I don't think he meant that as a problem. It is unknown how frequently M60-A will be run, so he's gonna spend his keyboard allowance on that one first because it'll be easier to get the Tokyo60 later still because it was apparently said it's going to run rather frequently.
Post by: hhkbp2 on Sun, 04 February 2018, 11:42:25
It seems a perfect match with the Tokyo 60 khttps://open.spotify.com/track/7jJKB8zZYQLehp8uP5Wice?si=PgUk2IK3Qdm9wtfgOWmevQeyboard to me. Time to get the ball rolling.
I was going to get the Tokyo60 but they'll be doing lots of runs of that, so I'm gonna get the M60-A.
Sorry this question may be a bit off this thread, but I still wanna ask. What's the problem with "lots of runs" exactly?
I don't think he meant that as a problem. It is unknown how frequently M60-A will be run, so he's gonna spend his keyboard allowance on that one first because it'll be easier to get the Tokyo60 later still because it was apparently said it's going to run rather frequently.
Understood. Usually I just follow when any interesting GB starts and stop whenever my wallet gets empty, without any foreseeing or planning. Well, this strategy, is a good reference to handle all these wonderful 60 keyboard GBs coming this year.
Post by: tragedyfoundus on Mon, 05 February 2018, 00:27:04
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I don't think he meant that as a problem. It is unknown how frequently M60-A will be run, so he's gonna spend his keyboard allowance on that one first because it'll be easier to get the Tokyo60 later still because it was apparently said it's going to run rather frequently.
Mhm, that's what I meant. :thumb: I want both honestly but my poor wallet couldn't handle that right now haha.
Post by: foxfluff on Mon, 05 February 2018, 17:49:06
Coming Soon.
The kits seen in this thread is now outdated. Updated kits will be seen in the drop page when it goes live on Massdrop.
https://www.massdrop.com/talk/3228/gmk-red-samurai
Post by: xantiema on Tue, 06 February 2018, 17:42:48
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Wed, 07 February 2018, 17:30:17
Post by: anhthao88 on Wed, 07 February 2018, 17:30:29
Coming Soon.
The kits seen in this thread is now outdated. Updated kits will be seen in the drop page when it goes live on Massdrop.
https://www.massdrop.com/talk/3228/gmk-red-samurai
This is awesome! My wallet would hate me even more tho :-X
Post by: tanvir175 on Wed, 07 February 2018, 17:31:49
Have there been any samples shown? Set looks great, but the colours are quite different to what we've seen before.. sceptical about what to expect from the yellow legends.
The finalized renders will be available once the drop starts. Doesn't seem like they'll be released before then.
Post by: xantiema on Wed, 07 February 2018, 17:37:20
Post by: GreyAmbience on Fri, 09 February 2018, 08:41:50
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-redsuns-gmk-red-samurai-keycap-set?utm_source=linkshare&referer=D3D4E9
What an awesome surprise
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Post by: rioc on Fri, 09 February 2018, 09:12:07
Holy **** we are live!
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-redsuns-gmk-red-samurai-keycap-set?utm_source=linkshare&referer=D3D4E9 (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-redsuns-gmk-red-samurai-keycap-set?utm_source=linkshare&referer=D3D4E9)
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yep, noticed that right away... in for base + pure hiragana + Novetlies + Spacebars
Post by: foxfluff on Fri, 09 February 2018, 11:29:49
Post by: see you next friday on Fri, 09 February 2018, 14:15:00
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 09 February 2018, 16:09:58
I wish it were in MAXKEY SA profile.
(https://i.imgur.com/ADgGsrb.jpg)
Post by: BlackInk on Sat, 10 February 2018, 01:31:19
I wish it were in MAXKEY SA profile.
Ewwwwww please dont even think about it
Post by: potatobot on Sat, 10 February 2018, 05:15:50
Grats man! :thumb:
Post by: xantiema on Sat, 10 February 2018, 10:20:10
Post by: consolation on Thu, 15 February 2018, 00:31:05
I wish it were in MAXKEY SA profile.
Ewwwwww please dont even think about it
Has the worm turned on sphericals, or are we hating on Maxkey specifically? Just need to know so when it's time for the two minute hate I don't get shot... thank you comrades.
Post by: tanvir175 on Thu, 15 February 2018, 11:36:11
I wish it were in MAXKEY SA profile.
Ewwwwww please dont even think about it
Has the worm turned on sphericals, or are we hating on Maxkey specifically? Just need to know so when it's time for the two minute hate I don't get shot... thank you comrades.
Probably just MAXKEY. Although I think Cherry profile has more fans than SA, anyways.
Post by: WilySouser on Thu, 15 February 2018, 13:13:48
Post by: ninjacore on Thu, 15 February 2018, 14:21:55
Post by: WilySouser on Thu, 15 February 2018, 17:31:15
I’m that jackass! :)
*shakes fist
Post by: consolation on Fri, 16 February 2018, 21:20:40
I was so looking forward to this set, then when it dropped some jackass said it was great FSU colors. I can't get that out of my head now... just bailed on it.
FSU?
Post by: tanvir175 on Fri, 16 February 2018, 21:37:49
I was so looking forward to this set, then when it dropped some jackass said it was great FSU colors. I can't get that out of my head now... just bailed on it.
FSU?
fordham state university
Post by: clickityClackity on Fri, 16 February 2018, 22:06:52
Finance Sector Union. Obviously.... I'm guessing WilySouser is an employer that doesn't fancy human rights or whatever.I was so looking forward to this set, then when it dropped some jackass said it was great FSU colors. I can't get that out of my head now... just bailed on it.
FSU?
fordham state university
http://www.fsunion.org.au/