Author Topic: wow, the Ducky 9008 keyboard sucks! (Read 21592 times)

FinancialWar · « **on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 04:24:58 »

the backspace, enter key, the shift keys and the space keys all feel mushy as hell compared to my filco.

fossala · « **Reply #1 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 04:26:15 »

Costar stabilizers are considered better than cherry for that reason.

FinancialWar · « **Reply #2 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 04:55:41 »

do you think I can remove the costar stabilizer from the Filco and put it on the Ducky?

squarebox · « **Reply #3 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 05:14:15 »

^ No.

Dump the Sucky Ducky for F*cky sake.
I always tell people Ducky Sucks for F*ck but no one ever listens to #2 keyboard expert in the world.

Some people call it first world problems, I call it #1 problem.
Wait to you discover more flaws.

Saviant · « **Reply #4 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 05:24:43 »

I brought a Leopold and found it mushy aswell, it lasted a day and I sold it to someone else who didn't mind it.

FinancialWar · « **Reply #5 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 05:34:14 »

Quote from: squarebox;499415

^ No.

Dump the Sucky Ducky for F*cky sake.
I always tell people Ducky Sucks for F*ck but no one ever listens to #2 keyboard expert in the world.

Some people call it first world problems, I call it #1 problem.
Wait to you discover more flaws.

wish you warned me back in the PChome thread....

I have decided to sell off the ducky. The shift and backspace keys are just way too mushy for my typing.

FinancialWar · « **Reply #6 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 05:34:51 »

Quote from: Saviant;499416

I brought a Leopold and found it mushy aswell, it lasted a day and I sold it to someone else who didn't mind it.

so the Leopold also use cherry stabilizer instead of costar?

Saviant · « **Reply #7 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 05:37:40 »

It sure does. I brought it thinking I would like it seeing it was 109 Aud, compared to the 150 - 160 Aud for a Filco but I was disappointed. One of my customers has a Ducky Shining with Brown switched and it felt mushy when I was servicing the computer it was connected to.

Kamikaze K · « **Reply #8 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 05:38:41 »

Quote from: squarebox;499415

but no one ever listens to #2 keyboard expert in the world.

You know the ol'sayin'! No one remembers 2nd! lol

Seriously though... apart from the cherry stabilisers, the Ducky's not a bad board by any margin! I'm with you guys... I prefer the costar stabilisers but that's my only complaint with the Ducky's and Leopold's (will be curious to see what Leopold do with their upcoming 700's)!

squarebox · « **Reply #9 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 05:41:39 »

Well, most people buy a Ducky because it is cheaper...
I only recommend Rosewill RK-9000 as a budget keyboard. Any less would be rubbish and no difference from buying a overprice gaming rubberdome keyboard.
There are alot of Quack engineers and salesmen out there.

PS : Once you go Filco, you can never go back.

Saviant · « **Reply #10 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 05:43:52 »

Quote from: squarebox;499423

Well, most people buy a Ducky because it is cheaper...
I only recommend Rosewill RK-9000 as a budget keyboard. Any less would be rubbish and no difference from buying a overprice gaming rubberdome keyboard.
There are alot of Quack engineers and salesmen out there.

PS : Once you go Filco, you can never go back.

Tell me about it, I have 4 Filco's since I started on them. 2 TKL Browns, 1 fullsize brown I use at work and 1 fullsize Linear R.

GeorgeStorm · « **Reply #11 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 05:45:03 »

I wouldn't agree with that last comment.

Bought a Ducky to start with, loved it, have since sold it on to my brother who fell in love with it while I was home over Christmas, have since bought a Filco, am selling this weekend since I need the monies.

While there's no doubt the Filco is better made, while typing I don't notice a massive difference, and I'd be happy with another Ducky :/
But then again, some things annoy some more than others.

FinancialWar · « **Reply #12 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 05:56:34 »

What about Steelseries boards, are they better than filco?

squarebox · « **Reply #13 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 05:56:54 »

Steelseries uses Cherry Stabilizers = Rubbish
No feet (height adjustment)

Probably made by Datacomp or Assemblink. Still crap either one.

kaiserreich · « **Reply #14 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 06:03:28 »

Cherry Stabilizers on my WYSE with vintage MX Blacks, seems to be the only switch that works well with them. Never tried them with any other type of vintage switches however.

Kamikaze K · « **Reply #15 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 06:05:31 »

I'm lucky to have both Ducky and Filco... and I do agree that the Filco just has that edge on the Ducky. But the Ducky is by no means as awful as you make out mate.

Right now though my Topre is toppin' both my Ducky and Filco at the moment!

FinancialWar · « **Reply #16 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 06:09:55 »

so filco is the only keyboard that has costar stabilizer?

What about KBC poker etc??

So tell me geekhack, is filco the best cherry board on the planet?

GeorgeStorm · « **Reply #17 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 06:12:29 »

WASD/CMStorm boards have costar stabilisers don't they?

zinger · « **Reply #18 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 06:12:40 »

CM Storm Quickfire, WASD, and Rosewill mechanicals also use costar stabilizers.

squarebox · « **Reply #19 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 06:16:32 »

Costar Stabilizer:
- Filco
- CM Quickfire Rapid
- Mionix Zibal
- WASDkeyboards
- Rosewill
- Noppoo
- Razer Blackwidow
- PLU
- Thermaltake G1 Meka

Cherry Stabilizer:
- Cherry
- KBC (Poker and Race)
- Ducky
- Leopold
- Keycool
- Steelseries

Unknown :
- Corsair K60/K90

FinancialWar · « **Reply #20 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 06:18:32 »

Quote from: squarebox;499436

Costar Stabilizer:
- Filco
- CM Quickfire Rapid
- Mionix Zibal
- WASDkeyboards
- Rosewill
- Noppoo
- Razer Blackwidow
- PLU
- Thermaltake G1 Meka

Cherry Stabilizer:
- Cherry
- Ducky
- Leopold
- Keycool
- Steelseries

Unknown :
- Corsair K60/K90

Thanks Squarebox. this post will help alot of people out there I believe.

Out of the ones with costar stabilizer, which one do you think is the best? And which one have switch for ctrl>cap lock?

squarebox · « **Reply #21 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 06:35:16 »

Most of the keyboard with costar stabilizer came from the same factory, thus they are more or less the same.
It's more of aesthetic differences and mild additional features.

None have Ctrl/Caps swap that I know of.
Only KBC and Ducky have DIP switches.

stingrae · « **Reply #22 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 07:03:04 »

Quote from: squarebox;499444

Most of the keyboard with costar stabilizer came from the same factory, thus they are more or less the same.
It's more of aesthetic differences and mild additional features.

None have Ctrl/Caps swap that I know of.
Only KBC and Ducky have DIP switches.

Noppoo choc mini has a switch lock to switch ctrl + caps. Thanks for the info on which keyboards use which stabalizers very interesting

.

FinancialWar · « **Reply #23 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 07:17:31 »

I think I have found my perfect keyboard, noppoo choc mini. A keyboard with both costar stabilizer and dip switch. And it's portable as well! I am going to read some review on it, hopefully the build quality will be as good.

popol · « **Reply #24 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 07:25:32 »

Quote from: FinancialWar;499452

I think I have found my perfect keyboard, noppoo choc mini. A keyboard with both costar stabilizer and dip switch. And it's portable as well! I am going to read some review on it, hopefully the build quality will be as good.

Noppoo Choc Mini with Dip switches? I've got one and it doesn't have any Switch on it. And the stabilizers are not very good. Or maybe it's the building of the keyboard: very noisy.

Surly73 · « **Reply #25 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 07:27:21 »

You know, there's a lot of hate against the Cherry stabilizers used by Leopold, Ducky, and others. They're not "current development", but my Amiga 2000 keyboard is PCB mounted Cherry MX blacks with Cherry stabilizers and most Wyse terminals I've used (some for many, many miles) are also Cherry stabilized MX blacks. These were great keyboards on which I noticed no mush, and I'm fairly observant to that kind of thing. Of course I'm more likely to notice now as opposed to when I was using WYSE and Amiga keyboards on a regular basis, but I've been refurbishing my Amiga and the keyboard feels and sounds great (except that linear isn't my preference). I also have a Filco, model M, Topre, some ALPS boards, so it's not like I haven't used other options...

I wonder if Ducky's use of the stabilizers is at fault for amplifying the issue? Or whether it's just the new Cherry stabilizers that suck... Or maybe the black switches covered up the faults? I'm kind of skeptical of that.

FinancialWar · « **Reply #26 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 07:40:49 »

Quote from: popol;499455

Noppoo Choc Mini with Dip switches? I've got one and it doesn't have any Switch on it. And the stabilizers are not very good. Or maybe it's the building of the keyboard: very noisy.

It doesn't? maybe you have to press Fn modifier key with one of the function key on the top row. That's how the ducky 9008g2 works.

squarebox · « **Reply #27 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 08:18:02 »

Lube or not, Cherry Stabilizer still changes the feel of the switch whereas Costar Stabilizer retains the feel of the switch.

Maybe some people like me are after perfection or suffering from mild-OCD.
My friends consider me "wise and strange"

FinancialWar · « **Reply #28 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 08:38:07 »

I must agree with squarebox, the cherry stabilizer changes the feel of the switch significantly.

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #29 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 08:49:09 »

I don't mind Cherry stabs at all on LINEAR switch. There really is not feeling difference in my opinion. On tactile switch with plate mount, yes they make feeling different. I don't think of it as mush, but deader feel. Rubber domes is mush, it don't feel that way.

squarebox · « **Reply #30 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 09:42:25 »

It's not a personal issue when you are paying such amounts of money for a keyboard.

Why do newbie always sound like cheapskate or apple cults?

$130 for barely any QC vs $150 for very good QC...
Looks like it's getting easier and easier to separate stupid people from their money.

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #31 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 10:18:45 »

Both stabs have their con. Cherry have feeling difference, especially on brown/blue. Costar ones are vastly more annoying when swapping caps, and the cheaper ones that use thin paperclip wire which more prone to binds and twist.

squarebox · « **Reply #32 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 11:00:08 »

Yet another one, that think PBT is far superior.
All caps become shiny over time laser is stains which looks more disgusting than Filco's shine.

Ripster have proved that caps are more or less personal preference just like you mention stabilizer are a preference.

If you are a product designer, you did realise that Ducky is very poorly designed.
Ducky has poorer ergonomic compare to other as the front of the keyboard is taller than all other mechanical keyboards.

- tall starting row
- space-given for attaching the cable is too small (mind you, I have small hands)
- creaky case

these are just some...

funkymeeba · « **Reply #33 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 11:12:38 »

I love the Cherry-style stabilizers on both of my Leopolds. Blues and clears on those boards. I also like these PBT caps I pulled off of a G81 because they look nice. They could be ABS for all I care, as long as they look the same. Who cares about shining!

laffindude · « **Reply #34 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 11:53:14 »

Quote from: FinancialWar;499417

wish you warned me back in the PChome thread....

I have decided to sell off the ducky. The shift and backspace keys are just way too mushy for my typing.

You should see why we didn't say anything.

squarebox · « **Reply #35 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 12:03:01 »

There's a reason why at the end of the day, most of the long time mechanical keyboard owner still end up owning Filco(s) and recommending Filco.
I don't hate Cherry stabilizer, in fact they are nice if the QC is good. I own many Cherry keyboards and will continue to buy more.

Ducky's QC and poor design makes it bad. I have contacts with distributors for Ducky, They have many issues with sticky keys for larger keys due to poor QC.

Whenever you see a "Help me choose my first mechanical keyboard", rarely will you see that someone would happily recommend a Ducky. Most will immediately recommend WASD, Rosewill, CM QuickFire Rapid, Filco and other Costar OEM unless TS ask for a small keyboard in which KBC Poker and Race will be recommended.

drsauced · « **Reply #36 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 12:13:14 »

Quote from: squarebox;499436

Costar Stabilizer:
- Filco
- CM Quickfire Rapid
- Mionix Zibal
- WASDkeyboards
- Rosewill
- Noppoo
- Razer Blackwidow
- PLU
- Thermaltake G1 Meka

Cherry Stabilizer:
- Cherry
- KBC (Poker and Race)
- Ducky
- Leopold
- Keycool
- Steelseries

Unknown :
- Corsair K60/K90

I played with a Corsair K60 yesterday, it uses Cherry stabilizers. It's an OK keyboard, I do wish it didn't have any rubber domes on it though. Also, not on the list but,Deck Legend are Cherry stabilizers.

squarebox · « **Reply #37 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 12:37:16 »

My contacts informed me that Filco is making a pure white currently.

The problem with OEM company is that whenever someone invest in a new mold for a new model, any other company that is interested can simply order the same thing but without the investment cost. It will be some time or some serious contender is needed before any new model will come about.

Supertoaster · « **Reply #38 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 18:00:37 »

The stabilizers on the Black Widows kind of fail. The Enter, Backspace, Shift key all bend a bit. The spacebar is solid though.

FinancialWar · « **Reply #39 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 20:51:11 »

Quote from: laffindude;499654

You should see why we didn't say anything.

Why? Was it really that hard for you to say, "if you're used to filco, Ducky might feel **** because it does use crappier stabilizer and the print on the keycaps sucks too"

pitashen · « **Reply #40 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 22:48:00 »

Quote from: FinancialWar;500169

Why? Was it really that hard for you to say, "if you're used to filco, Ducky might feel **** because it does use crappier stabilizer and the print on the keycaps sucks too"

I have experiences using both types of stabilizers, and I, for one, doesn't mind either kind being used. So I would be one of those who would actually find it hard to make such one sided comment. oh and did I mention I actually dislike Filco keycaps?

Since a lot of us don't get to try keyboards before purchasing, each board bought is a lesson learned for the individual who would have preferences over different aspects of keyboards. I would personally just quietly resell the keyboard and recoup most of the investment back. IMO, making such complaint is not gonna help you reselling the board on classifieds.

flyball · « **Reply #41 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 22:59:44 »

linkbait thread title and mcrip thread content/lack of wiki reading

FinancialWar · « **Reply #42 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 23:44:56 »

Quote from: flyball;500288

linkbait thread title and mcrip thread content/lack of wiki reading

true that's one of my bad habit, not enough research before buying crappy things. Lesson learnt.

Anyways I have just sold the Ducky to some noob. lost $10 postage. oh well...

flyball · « **Reply #43 on:** Thu, 26 January 2012, 23:46:05 »

Quote from: FinancialWar;500321

true that's one of my bad habit, not enough research before buying crappy things. Lesson learnt.

Anyways I have just sold the Ducky to some noob. lost $10 postage. oh well...

you sold it to yourself? lol.

FinancialWar · « **Reply #44 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 00:13:18 »

Quote from: flyball;500323

you sold it to yourself? lol.

another noob in my area.

pitashen · « **Reply #45 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 00:14:09 »

CaiSter21 · « **Reply #46 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 01:08:21 »

stabilizers on duckys = McRip effect

aside from the DK 1087XM, ducky's recent lineup just gets better and better. their build quality is really high and they have a large variety of keyboards.

so i dont see why there is so much hate for Ducky's.

Kamikaze K · « **Reply #47 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 01:57:17 »

Quote from: CaiSter21;500370

stabilizers on duckys = McRip effect

aside from the DK 1087XM, ducky's recent lineup just gets better and better. their build quality is really high and they have a large variety of keyboards.

so i dont see why there is so much hate for Ducky's.

+1

Thats what I said! ... What we have here ladies and gents, is a case of one person's extreme negative opinions of the board and a few others joining in on the hatin' (I'm looking at you No. 2 Keyboard expert) (

) hehe

In all seriousness though... There are people, myself included, who have no issue with Ducky's. I love my Ducky's just as much as my Filco. Their 9xxx series have been going from strength to strength... we just won't mention the 1xxx series.

FinancialWar · « **Reply #48 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 02:50:24 »

it's not a hate on Ducky as a company, it's my hate against their 9008G2 and the cherry stabilizer.

jbluzb · « **Reply #49 on:** Fri, 27 January 2012, 08:04:16 »

I am also checking to get a glow in the dark Ducky, seems really nice. I own a Filco Ninja MXBrown, so I will check how this stabilizers determine your typing feel.

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Author Topic: wow, the Ducky 9008 keyboard sucks! (Read 21592 times)

fossala