Post by: JPoc on Wed, 19 August 2020, 10:59:00
SA Espresso
(https://i.imgur.com/G4hYORf.jpg)
A keycap set inspired by the rich colors of an espresso, from the dark brown of coffee beans to the caramel-like layer of crema that rises to the top of a perfect shot.
GROUP BUY THREAD (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=112244.0)
April 13th - May 14th 2021
Vendors
US: Kono
EU: MyKeyboard
OC: DailyClack
Asia: zFrontier
CA: Ashkeebs
Pricing
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Pricing
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Estimated lead time: 12 months after group buy
Kits
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(https://i.imgur.com/DhKacue.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/oTaObOt.jpg)
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Renders
(https://i.imgur.com/G4hYORf.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/RR5QYST.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/q6HJuN6.jpg)
J-02 by Proto[Typist] Keyboards
(https://i.imgur.com/ZpeysbG.jpg)
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Haus by Hand Engineering
(https://i.imgur.com/qqTrvVu.jpg)
Black Haus for the render.
(https://i.imgur.com/biJVKcW.jpg)
GMMK PRO case. Model by Elmo, design by GPCGR.
(https://i.imgur.com/ACI0EiI.jpg)
Colors
(https://i.imgur.com/mYxJsMw.jpg)
Consider this image just a reference, as viewing the HEX on a screen is not accurate. I think these colors will work great, but I do have alternatives that are less/more saturated or a slightly different hue, in case the samples turn out a bit off and to make sure the subtle gradient is respected.
Deskmat
(https://i.imgur.com/dvMvbtI.jpg)
Collaborations
(https://i.imgur.com/G4hYORf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6sChVNX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RR5QYST.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/q6HJuN6.jpg)
J-02 by Proto[Typist] Keyboards
(https://i.imgur.com/ZpeysbG.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/l2qnAKA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cfzZmvK.jpg)
Haus by Hand Engineering
(https://i.imgur.com/qqTrvVu.jpg)
Black Haus for the render.
(https://i.imgur.com/biJVKcW.jpg)
GMMK PRO case. Model by Elmo, design by GPCGR.
(https://i.imgur.com/ACI0EiI.jpg)
Colors
(https://i.imgur.com/mYxJsMw.jpg)
Consider this image just a reference, as viewing the HEX on a screen is not accurate. I think these colors will work great, but I do have alternatives that are less/more saturated or a slightly different hue, in case the samples turn out a bit off and to make sure the subtle gradient is respected.
Deskmat
(https://i.imgur.com/dvMvbtI.jpg)
Collaborations
THOK x SA Espresso
(https://i.imgur.com/nkATxbA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fSlFK1D.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/nkATxbA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fSlFK1D.png)
RocketCables x SA Espresso
(https://i.imgur.com/IeyfCNA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Lvm6In5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Yb2VHsy.jpg)
Huge thanks to the Keycap Designers discord and r/keycapdesigners for all the great feedback. This is my first set, so all the help was crucial.
Special thanks to thatkoaladoe, shota_irl, NoPunIn10Did and Swishy, and also to konstantin for the very detailed advice on the kits.
(https://i.imgur.com/IeyfCNA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Lvm6In5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Yb2VHsy.jpg)
To-Do
Finish color matchingCollaborationsGet in contact with vendorsMake more rendersModify the set / add more options based on feedbackPossible novelties and deskmats
IC Form: https://forms.gle/AStC2NKRQcXTRRhF9 (https://forms.gle/AStC2NKRQcXTRRhF9)
Huge thanks to the Keycap Designers discord and r/keycapdesigners for all the great feedback. This is my first set, so all the help was crucial.
Special thanks to thatkoaladoe, shota_irl, NoPunIn10Did and Swishy, and also to konstantin for the very detailed advice on the kits.
Updates
- 8/23/2020 - Moved the alphas out of base and ortho kits. Improved compatibility for many layouts, added NorDe and Ergo kits.
- 9/16/2020 - Added novelties, deskmat and vendors. Updated kits to improve support and reduce unnecessary keys.
- 3/11/2021 - Added GB date, pricing, collaborations and colors.
Post by: VXQN on Wed, 19 August 2020, 11:16:14
Post by: Lizcuits on Wed, 19 August 2020, 11:20:51
- Add a novelties kit (I'm sure you already are working on this)
- Consider adding a few cream-colored keys as accents either into the base kit or novelties
- Consider icon mods, they help it look less generic. Bonus points if you design them yourself!
- Consider a custom font, not sure how easy this is for SA but if it's possible it'd give it a ton more personality
- I would personally tone down the orange just a bit. It feels too saturated to me.
- I'd also prefer a profile other than SA, but you should do what you want!
For deskmats I'd love a simple "coffee liquid" plain design that looks like you're "underwater" in coffee. Think something like GMK Grape Soda's mats but with a bit more elegance to it... Just an idea!
Post by: TheMartes on Wed, 19 August 2020, 11:34:50
Post by: nasp on Wed, 19 August 2020, 11:38:27
Regardless, I do like seeing more SA sets
Post by: mudcakehoney on Wed, 19 August 2020, 11:59:13
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 19 August 2020, 12:11:50
Post by: dom on Wed, 19 August 2020, 12:16:19
Post by: ddrfraser1 on Wed, 19 August 2020, 12:20:00
Post by: Dazon on Wed, 19 August 2020, 12:42:01
Post by: frostykoala on Wed, 19 August 2020, 12:45:09
Post by: lush_bunny on Wed, 19 August 2020, 12:53:31
Post by: Bachoo on Wed, 19 August 2020, 13:14:28
Post by: Shiro on Wed, 19 August 2020, 13:17:23
Post by: croatoanlp on Wed, 19 August 2020, 13:30:42
Post by: stevenopoly on Wed, 19 August 2020, 13:49:51
Post by: Hell-es on Wed, 19 August 2020, 13:53:34
Post by: jdecker on Wed, 19 August 2020, 13:56:47
Post by: JPoc on Wed, 19 August 2020, 14:54:10
I think since you've already added the 1.75u Shift to the base you should also add the R4 Fn key to make it compatible with 65% boards, otherwise theres almost no point having the short shift at all as you'd still be missing a key, adding one key to base will get alot more buyers than removing the short dhift and putting in the non standard imo.
This will be the next thing I fix, as a lot of people agree with you. Thanks for the input!
Post by: hottrout on Wed, 19 August 2020, 15:54:12
Post by: NotFai on Wed, 19 August 2020, 16:08:22
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 19 August 2020, 17:56:08
Post by: Owl on Wed, 19 August 2020, 18:17:05
Post by: cijanzen on Wed, 19 August 2020, 18:21:22
My suggestion would be to split the alphas out of the ortho and tkl kits. This has the potential to allow for a higher alphas MOQ and therefore lower prices and more flexibility.
Post by: maharuto on Wed, 19 August 2020, 18:58:09
Post by: heliar_mk on Thu, 20 August 2020, 20:18:13
Post by: Pyk_ on Thu, 20 August 2020, 22:46:34
Post by: fabijolo on Thu, 20 August 2020, 23:55:25
Post by: stevenopoly on Fri, 21 August 2020, 10:43:28
Post by: MoonOperator on Fri, 21 August 2020, 11:47:30
Post by: Emolokz on Fri, 21 August 2020, 22:03:54
Post by: phinix on Sat, 22 August 2020, 06:41:24
and I thought nobody is gonna come up with nice SA set anymore...
I'm in.
Post by: Bax on Sat, 22 August 2020, 17:53:08
Post by: PseudoLlama on Sat, 22 August 2020, 23:51:03
Post by: phinix on Sun, 23 August 2020, 03:01:33
Post by: JPoc on Sun, 23 August 2020, 15:17:54
I got lots of feedback, and after going through it I decided to take the advice of cijanzen, and split the alphas out of the base and ortho kit, looking at sets like SA Skyriter and SA Godspeed as reference. This should make the set more flexible and give you support for many layouts. I also improved Ortho and 40s support, and added NorDe and Ergo kits.
Also received lots of ideas for novelties and deskmats, will start to work on that.
Hopefully you will like these changes. Be sure to let me know in the new form if you're interested: https://forms.gle/UnisnB8cs5cxnAcx8
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 23 August 2020, 22:02:44
My TKL / split self is good with all this too.
Post by: lush_bunny on Mon, 24 August 2020, 15:37:28
Post by: drfranco on Mon, 24 August 2020, 19:35:58
Post by: Emolokz on Tue, 25 August 2020, 11:38:26
I like this a lot and definitely will love to see the novelties. SA is not my favorite profile and that introduces a bit of decision for me. :thumb:
Alas, if this goes through, maybe the colorway can be taken to other profiles as well?
Post by: hottrout on Tue, 25 August 2020, 14:08:10
Post by: Bubblegum on Tue, 25 August 2020, 14:27:18
Post by: JPoc on Tue, 25 August 2020, 14:41:30
This looks great! Love the addition of a NorDe kit. Hoping that ISO Enter and 1.25u shift gets added to the NorDe kit, so NorDe users don't have to buy the UK kit also for 2 modifier Keys:)Thanks! I will consider it
I like this a lot and definitely will love to see the novelties. SA is not my favorite profile and that introduces a bit of decision for me. :thumb:
Alas, if this goes through, maybe the colorway can be taken to other profiles as well?
I would love to take this to other profiles in the future if people wanted it.
Loving the updates, I am buying everything in this set. Have you had any cool retro deskmat ideas. The colours are pure 1970 retro baby.
Very glad to hear that! Yeah I'm playing with a couple of ideas, one that might be kinda retro, but still lots of work to do.
Post by: lush_bunny on Tue, 25 August 2020, 14:49:15
still lots of work to do.
what is your rough ETA to a GB? 2021?
Post by: mrvco on Tue, 25 August 2020, 14:57:15
Post by: Bubblegum on Tue, 25 August 2020, 15:01:32
This looks great! Love the addition of a NorDe kit. Hoping that ISO Enter and 1.25u shift gets added to the NorDe kit, so NorDe users don't have to buy the UK kit also for 2 modifier Keys:)Thanks! I will consider it
Thanks, keep up the good work!
Post by: JPoc on Tue, 25 August 2020, 15:20:10
still lots of work to do.
what is your rough ETA to a GB? 2021?
I want to spend a few months improving what I have and adding more stuff, so 2021 seems likely. Nothing certain tho.
Post by: phinix on Tue, 25 August 2020, 16:55:43
EDIT: naaah, maybe it should be there...
Post by: lush_bunny on Tue, 25 August 2020, 22:01:03
still lots of work to do.
what is your rough ETA to a GB? 2021?
I want to spend a few months improving what I have and adding more stuff, so 2021 seems likely. Nothing certain tho.
Good luck man. I've decided I wanted to throw money at this set when it's ready.
Post by: sendrim on Fri, 28 August 2020, 06:42:19
Post by: Pyk_ on Sun, 30 August 2020, 03:14:28
Plus I wouldn’t mind the option of dark bars.
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 30 August 2020, 09:01:51
- Add R1 1u \| (alpha-colored) to Alphas.
- This is useful not just for ≥60%, but also some 40% boards. This key is currently missing altogether.
- Remove R1 1u \| (mod-colored) from Mods.
- Mod-colored 1u pipe is not commonly used. See here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107963.msg2951102#msg2951102) for details.
- Replace R3 1.25u Menu with Fn in Mods.
- Fn is the more common legend, used on a wide variety of boards and sizes. It's also more generic than Menu and can be used in its place, whereas the opposite isn't really the case.
- Add R1 1u F13 (mod-colored) to Mods.
- For some popular and up-and-coming TKLs (e.g. Jane v2 CE, IRON180).
- Change Ctrl legend to Control on R3 1.75u and 1.5u.
- The longer legend fits these key sizes better, and SP has the molds.
- Move 7u space from Alphas to Mods.
- 7u is only used on ≥60% boards for the most part (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106725.msg2948549#post_alphas_kits). This ties in to the next suggestion.
- Split the Mods kit up in order to better accommodate 40s users.
- This is something that SA Skyriter forgot to do. Currently, Ortho/40s functions as a standalone mods kit only for orthos — 40s users still need to buy the Mods kit. However, that kit is pretty large and is going to be expensive, and 40s users will be paying for a lot of unnecessary keys. Since there are no pricing drawbacks to splitting kits with SP SA, I suggest splitting the Mods kit into TKL and Specialties, like so:
TKL — Keep standard TKL compat in this kit, but also include Tsangan (7u space, 2× 1.5u Ctrl, 2× 1u Super, 2× 1.5u Alt) and HHKB (1.5u Backspace, 1.75u Control, 1.75u Shift, 1u Fn) compat. This will cover the most popular TKL and 60% options, as well as give 40s users all the extra keys they need (the crucial R4 1.75u Shift, R3 1.25u mods for bottom and ASDF rows, R3 1.5u mods, R2 1.5u Backspace, even 7u space).
Specialties — Move everything else into Specialties.
(https://i.imgur.com/a1wMpH6.png)
KLE (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/d4cae184e887d00309f12c510316b919) - Additionally, R4 1.75u Lock can be removed from Ortho/40s.
- The Minivan Lock key needs to be R3 (bottom row), but this is already covered by Caps Lock and Control from TKL mods.
- Add R3 1.5u and 1.75u Function (or Func or Fn, not sure which molds SP has) to Specialties.
- This benefits both ≥60% (e.g. WKL TKL, Fn instead of Caps) and 40s (e.g. Pearl, Minivan) users.
- Move one R4 1u Shift from Ortho/40s to Specialties.
- This benefits both ortho (e.g. Planck w/o arrows) and 60% w/ arrows (e.g. GK64) users.
- Add R3 1.25u Enter to Ortho/40s.
- In conjunction with the R2 1.5u Backspace from TKL, this covers 40s boards such as UT47.2, Whimsy, Dimple, Equinox etc.
- Since Shift-row 1u Fn is not commonly used on 40% boards, replace this key and the removed 1u Shift with a generic 1u Meta key.
- Also add generic R3 1u and 1.25u Meta keys.
- This benefits ≥60% (e.g. as Menu on TKL), 40s (e.g. instead of Tab on R3, or as extra bottom row keys) and ortho (e.g. as Fn2 or second OS key on Planck).
- You can use Code or Menu instead of Meta for these generic keys. Your choice. Meta or Code would work best, imo (cause, ya know, coffee and coders).
- Less important, but I thought I'd include it anyway: Add R3 1.5u Shift to Specialties.
- This benefits only a few boards at the moment: Evolv (75%); UT47.2, Whimsy, QAZ (staggered 40%); but more boards may use it in the future.
- By making these changes to the kits, your set will essentially be able to cover any ortho or staggered 40% keyboard out there, alongside 60%, 65%, 75% etc.
Refer to the above image for any further suggestions. Let me know if you have any questions. I'm also available in the Keycap Designers and 40% Discord servers if you'd like to discuss.
Edit: updated image, added and fixed up a few suggestions
Post by: cijanzen on Sun, 30 August 2020, 09:09:00
I'd like to suggest the following kitting changes. (When I say Mods, I'm referring to the current TKL/Specialty kit.)It’s too early for a retrospective on Skyriter although I’d perhaps do some things differently if running it again, but there is a downside to splitting kits. MOQ. If you split a kit apart you have to consider what it’s MOQ can be. One benefit to putting obscure keycaps together with more common ones is you can ensure a higher MOQ and therefore lower prices. It’s a very fine balance for sure and I like what you’re saying here Konstantin but I just wanted to add this perspective.
- Add R1 1u \| (alpha-colored) to Alphas.
- This is useful not just for ≥60%, but also some 40% boards. This key is currently missing altogether.
- Remove R1 1u \| (mod-colored) from Mods.
- Mod-colored 1u pipe is not commonly used. See here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107963.msg2951102#msg2951102) for details.
- Replace R3 1.25u Menu with Fn in Mods.
- Fn is the more common legend, used on a wide variety of boards and sizes. It's also more generic than Menu and can be used in its place, whereas the opposite isn't really the case.
- Add R1 1u F13 (mod-colored) to Mods.
- For some popular and up-and-coming TKLs (e.g. Jane v2 CE, IRON180).
- Change Ctrl legend to Control on R3 1.75u and 1.5u.
- The longer legend fits these key sizes better, and SP has the molds.
- Move 7u space from Alphas to Mods.
- 7u is only used on ≥60% boards for the most part (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106725.msg2948549#post_alphas_kits). This ties in to the next suggestion.
- Split the Mods kit up in order to better accommodate 40s users.
- This is something that SA Skyriter forgot to do. Currently, Ortho/40s functions as a standalone mods kit only for orthos — 40s users still need to buy the Mods kit. However, that kit is pretty large and is going to be expensive, and 40s users will be paying for a lot of unnecessary keys. Since there are no pricing drawbacks to splitting kits with SP SA, I suggest splitting the Mods kit into TKL and Specialties, like so:
TKL — Keep standard TKL compat in this kit, but also include Tsangan (7u space, 2× 1.5u Ctrl, 2× 1u Super, 2× 1.5u Alt) and HHKB (1.5u Backspace, 1.75u Shift, 1u Fn) compat. This will cover the most popular TKL and 60% options, as well as give 40s users all the extra keys they need (the crucial R4 1.75u Shift, R3 1.25u mods for bottom and ASDF rows, R3 1.5u mods, R2 1.5u Backspace, even 7u space).
Specialties — Move everything else into Specialties.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gHQMVbS.png)- Additionally, R4 1.75u Lock can be removed from Ortho/40s.
- The Minivan Lock key needs to be R3, but this is already covered by Caps Lock from TKL mods.
- Add R3 1.5u and 1.75u Function (or Func or Fn, not sure which molds SP has) to Specialties.
- This benefits both ≥60% (e.g. WKL TKL, Fn instead of Caps) and 40s (e.g. Pearl, Minivan) users.
- Move one R4 1u Shift from Ortho/40s to Specialties.
- This benefits both ortho (e.g. Planck w/o arrows) and 60% w/ arrows (e.g. GK64) users.
- Since Shift-row 1u Fn is not commonly used on 40% boards, replace this key and the removed 1u Shift with a generic 1u Meta key.
- Also add generic R3 1u and 1.25u Meta keys.
- This benefits ≥60% (e.g. as Menu on TKL), 40s (e.g. instead of Tab on R3, or as extra bottom row keys) and ortho (e.g. as Fn2 or second OS key on Planck).
- You can use Code or Menu instead of Meta for these generic ueys. Your choice. Meta and Code work best, imo (cause, ya know, coffee and coders).
Refer to the above image for any further suggestions. Let me know if you have any questions. I'm also available in the Keycap Designers Discord if you'd like to discuss.
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 30 August 2020, 09:44:26
It’s too early for a retrospective on Skyriter although I’d perhaps do some things differently if running it again, but there is a downside to splitting kits. MOQ. If you split a kit apart you have to consider what it’s MOQ can be. One benefit to putting obscure keycaps together with more common ones is you can ensure a higher MOQ and therefore lower prices. It’s a very fine balance for sure and I like what you’re saying here Konstantin but I just wanted to add this perspective.
Hi Cijanzen, thank you for your input, much appreciated as always. The highlighted bit is exactly why these kits are split in such a way that Specialties is useful to everyone, not just ≥60% users. I have no doubt that if this set is as successful as, say, SA Skyriter, it will do well with this kind of kitting and have no trouble meeting MOQ on all kits, while at the same time giving users more flexibility.
Of course, nothing is 100% for certain, and it's up to the runner to decide what would work best for the set based on the feedback and amount of interest he's gathered so far.
Other kitting decisions were also made bearing the above in mind: for example, I opted to give Ortho/40s their own spacekeys and not force them to buy Spacebars, since space kits usually sell well anyway and don't need the extra boost from 40% users. However, as with everything else, this also is up for discussion; I think the way the current kits do it (and how Skyriter does it) is fine as well.
Out of the keys that I added to Specialties, probably not all of them are necessary. A few could be cut if needed, in order to secure an attractive price point for Alphas+TKL+Specialties, which is what I assume a lot of (if not most) people would be buying.
Post by: cijanzen on Sun, 30 August 2020, 09:48:25
I agree completely. I think what you offered as suggestions are excellent ideas. I’m not actually sure my MOQ argument kicks in unless you’re talking about very low numbers anyways, and as you said, the specialty kit is valuable for both sub and above 60% users so there’s no reason it shouldn’t do well as a kit.It’s too early for a retrospective on Skyriter although I’d perhaps do some things differently if running it again, but there is a downside to splitting kits. MOQ. If you split a kit apart you have to consider what it’s MOQ can be. One benefit to putting obscure keycaps together with more common ones is you can ensure a higher MOQ and therefore lower prices. It’s a very fine balance for sure and I like what you’re saying here Konstantin but I just wanted to add this perspective.
Hi Cijanzen, thank you for your input, much appreciated as always. The highlighted bit is exactly why these kits are split in such a way that Specialties is useful to everyone, not just ≥60% users. I have no doubt that if this set is as successful as, say, SA Skyriter, it will do well with this kind of kitting and have no trouble meeting MOQ on all kits, while at the same time giving users more flexibility.
Of course, nothing is 100% for certain, and it's up to the runner to decide what would work best for the set based on the feedback and amount of interest he's received so far.
Other kitting decisions were made bearing this in mind as well: for example, I chose to give Ortho/40s their own spacekeys and not force them to buy Spacebars, since space kits usually sell well anyway and don't need the extra boost from 40% users. However, as with everything else, this also is up for discussion; I think the way the current kits do it (and how Skyriter does it) is fine as well.
Out of the keys that I added to Specialties, probably not all of them are necessary. A few could be cut if needed in order to secure an attractive price point for Alphas+TKL+Specialties, which I assume is what a lot of (if not most) people would be buying.
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 30 August 2020, 10:07:21
Post by: JPoc on Sun, 30 August 2020, 13:13:28
By the way, I got caught up with the kitting and forgot to say that I love the colors of this set, I'll definitely be looking to pick one up to go with my Bauer ;)
That's some great feedback, really appreciate that you took the time to be so detailed. I'm gonna go through it this week and probably do many of these changes. Thanks a lot!
Post by: Emolokz on Mon, 07 September 2020, 02:34:35
Post by: JPoc on Wed, 16 September 2020, 11:38:21
As always, thanks a lot for the support, and would love to know what you think about the update.
Post by: violeaf on Wed, 16 September 2020, 11:51:37
Post by: lush_bunny on Wed, 16 September 2020, 12:00:16
I'd like to suggest the following kitting changes. (When I say Mods, I'm referring to the current TKL/Specialty kit.)
- Add R1 1u \| (alpha-colored) to Alphas.
- This is useful not just for ≥60%, but also some 40% boards. This key is currently missing altogether.
- Remove R1 1u \| (mod-colored) from Mods.
- Mod-colored 1u pipe is not commonly used. See here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107963.msg2951102#msg2951102) for details.
- Replace R3 1.25u Menu with Fn in Mods.
- Fn is the more common legend, used on a wide variety of boards and sizes. It's also more generic than Menu and can be used in its place, whereas the opposite isn't really the case.
- Add R1 1u F13 (mod-colored) to Mods.
- For some popular and up-and-coming TKLs (e.g. Jane v2 CE, IRON180).
- Change Ctrl legend to Control on R3 1.75u and 1.5u.
- The longer legend fits these key sizes better, and SP has the molds.
- Move 7u space from Alphas to Mods.
- 7u is only used on ≥60% boards for the most part (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106725.msg2948549#post_alphas_kits). This ties in to the next suggestion.
- Split the Mods kit up in order to better accommodate 40s users.
- This is something that SA Skyriter forgot to do. Currently, Ortho/40s functions as a standalone mods kit only for orthos — 40s users still need to buy the Mods kit. However, that kit is pretty large and is going to be expensive, and 40s users will be paying for a lot of unnecessary keys. Since there are no pricing drawbacks to splitting kits with SP SA, I suggest splitting the Mods kit into TKL and Specialties, like so:
TKL — Keep standard TKL compat in this kit, but also include Tsangan (7u space, 2× 1.5u Ctrl, 2× 1u Super, 2× 1.5u Alt) and HHKB (1.5u Backspace, 1.75u Control, 1.75u Shift, 1u Fn) compat. This will cover the most popular TKL and 60% options, as well as give 40s users all the extra keys they need (the crucial R4 1.75u Shift, R3 1.25u mods for bottom and ASDF rows, R3 1.5u mods, R2 1.5u Backspace, even 7u space).
Specialties — Move everything else into Specialties.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/a1wMpH6.png)
KLE (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/d4cae184e887d00309f12c510316b919)- Additionally, R4 1.75u Lock can be removed from Ortho/40s.
- The Minivan Lock key needs to be R3 (bottom row), but this is already covered by Caps Lock and Control from TKL mods.
- Add R3 1.5u and 1.75u Function (or Func or Fn, not sure which molds SP has) to Specialties.
- This benefits both ≥60% (e.g. WKL TKL, Fn instead of Caps) and 40s (e.g. Pearl, Minivan) users.
- Move one R4 1u Shift from Ortho/40s to Specialties.
- This benefits both ortho (e.g. Planck w/o arrows) and 60% w/ arrows (e.g. GK64) users.
- Add R3 1.25u Enter to Ortho/40s.
- In conjunction with the R2 1.5u Backspace from TKL, this covers 40s boards such as UT47.2, Whimsy, Dimple, Equinox etc.
- Since Shift-row 1u Fn is not commonly used on 40% boards, replace this key and the removed 1u Shift with a generic 1u Meta key.
- Also add generic R3 1u and 1.25u Meta keys.
- This benefits ≥60% (e.g. as Menu on TKL), 40s (e.g. instead of Tab on R3, or as extra bottom row keys) and ortho (e.g. as Fn2 or second OS key on Planck).
- You can use Code or Menu instead of Meta for these generic keys. Your choice. Meta or Code would work best, imo (cause, ya know, coffee and coders).
- Less important, but I thought I'd include it anyway: Add R3 1.5u Shift to Specialties.
- This benefits only a few boards at the moment: Evolv (75%); UT47.2, Whimsy, QAZ (staggered 40%); but more boards may use it in the future.
- By making these changes to the kits, your set will essentially be able to cover any ortho or staggered 40% keyboard out there, alongside 60%, 65%, 75% etc.
Refer to the above image for any further suggestions. Let me know if you have any questions. I'm also available in the Keycap Designers and 40% Discord servers if you'd like to discuss.
Edit: updated image, added and fixed up a few suggestions
I see you in a lot of IC threads I follow and I just want to say I learn a lot from these long comments of yours.
Post by: lush_bunny on Wed, 16 September 2020, 12:01:29
Post by: JPoc on Wed, 16 September 2020, 12:31:26
Also: these novelties are on point, especially that ole cappuccino pattern. These are a must-buy for me, can't wait for 2021.Thanks a lot, very glad you like them.
Looking good, well done so far. Any thoughts on a novelty for the ISO enter?
Thank you. No plans for ISO enter novelty at the moment.
Post by: MoonOperator on Wed, 16 September 2020, 12:41:36
Love the novelties!
Post by: Anthixious on Wed, 16 September 2020, 12:53:49
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 16 September 2020, 15:59:16
I see you in a lot of IC threads I follow and I just want to say I learn a lot from these long comments of yours.I'm happy to hear that :)
Post by: justinhigley on Wed, 16 September 2020, 16:45:18
Post by: zuggykeys on Wed, 16 September 2020, 17:49:42
Post by: ..//dexx on Thu, 17 September 2020, 01:58:06
Post by: hottrout on Thu, 17 September 2020, 04:02:59
Post by: lush_bunny on Thu, 17 September 2020, 12:23:36
Seriously, that deskmat. Every time there has been an update, my order has increased, now with those Novelties and that deskmat. I might order a new desk just to show this one off. This is superb in every detail.
Right? Oh how nice! But I'll only order what I nee-
Oh wow those novelties are tight! Okay, maybe add only tha-
Goddamn that deskmat is gorgeous.
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 17 September 2020, 12:53:26
Post by: jiezhou on Sat, 19 September 2020, 10:33:43
Post by: kwhilden on Sat, 19 September 2020, 11:28:03
A couple of comments. The ergo kit needs another 1.5u bottom row for Sol, Boardwalk, Boardrun, etc... These are becoming very popular now while ergodox is waning.
Have you considered a mods kit that uses the gradient colors? I think that would look amazing.
Post by: JPoc on Sat, 19 September 2020, 19:02:53
Updated kits are looking good. I also concur with the previous posters that the new novelties look great! I'm really enjoying where this set is heading.
Glad to hear that! Thanks again for the help with the kits, it was very useful.
Would you be willing to add in 2 more lighter-shade colors of waves on the desk mat?
I played a bit with that but the current number of waves looked better imo. I might still give it a try tho.
On the novelties, on idea that popped to mind for iconography was the idea of having legends to represent coffee growing regions. E.g. a silhouette of Africa, or Brazil.
I really like that idea, will give it a try for sure. Thanks for mentioning it!
Any chance to have a colevrak or colevark+ kit?
Sorry I'm not considering it at the moment.
A couple of comments. The ergo kit needs another 1.5u bottom row for Sol, Boardwalk, Boardrun, etc... These are becoming very popular now while ergodox is waning.
Have you considered a mods kit that uses the gradient colors? I think that would look amazing.
Thank you, I will look into those layouts. I'm trying out alternate color kits for alphas and mods but not sure yet if they will stay.
Post by: General_Pretzel on Sun, 20 September 2020, 13:59:28
Post by: lnmq on Mon, 12 October 2020, 23:45:36
When is the expected time for group buy?
Post by: BigBeile on Tue, 13 October 2020, 18:00:40
I am in
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Post by: phinix on Tue, 27 October 2020, 10:43:02
Post by: Operation Wolf on Thu, 29 October 2020, 06:38:50
Post by: tinytoots on Tue, 03 November 2020, 08:48:01
Post by: MadBinton on Tue, 03 November 2020, 19:18:00
I'm not sure I dig the latte art novelties since this is Espresso, but who am I kidding, I need those novelties.
Looking forward to seeing this finalized and moving towards a GB.
Post by: phinix on Wed, 04 November 2020, 03:06:39
Post by: nico.psd on Fri, 06 November 2020, 13:41:44
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 23 November 2020, 13:50:02
Post by: lush_bunny on Mon, 23 November 2020, 14:35:20
Post by: hottrout on Mon, 23 November 2020, 16:04:31
Post by: CandyDoc on Tue, 24 November 2020, 11:39:27
Hope i can buy a mojo60 walnut and get it onto that... i imagine it could look realy good ;D
Post by: Sumthingasian on Tue, 24 November 2020, 19:58:10
Post by: ChaosAirlines on Thu, 17 December 2020, 08:37:11
Post by: Havattack on Thu, 17 December 2020, 09:58:16
This keyset is what got me stalking the forums, I really really hope it gets made and I'm worried that since there hasn't been any updates that it might get lost to the void. Any news?If the op does eventually abandon it for some reason, there's no reason you, or someone else, couldn't take over or run a set that looks exactly the same. It's a lot of work, but if you really wanted it..
You'd have to wait awhile though, I've seen gb threads were seemingly abandoned for months, come back to life.
Post by: ChaosAirlines on Sat, 19 December 2020, 19:06:52
This keyset is what got me stalking the forums, I really really hope it gets made and I'm worried that since there hasn't been any updates that it might get lost to the void. Any news?If the op does eventually abandon it for some reason, there's no reason you, or someone else, couldn't take over or run a set that looks exactly the same. It's a lot of work, but if you really wanted it..
You'd have to wait awhile though, I've seen gb threads were seemingly abandoned for months, come back to life.
I might consider it, will have to sit down and figure out how and the logistics and such.
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Sat, 19 December 2020, 19:46:43
Post by: dwarflemur on Tue, 22 December 2020, 17:13:30
Post by: GreatKingNorann on Tue, 22 December 2020, 17:23:12
I don't think the gradient works, like at all. the color of the top row with the mods as they are would be a great set!You’re wrong. It’s Espresso, not Caramel Latte. The gradient is perfect
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Post by: dwarflemur on Tue, 22 December 2020, 17:27:04
I don't think the gradient works, like at all. the color of the top row with the mods as they are would be a great set!You’re wrong. It’s Espresso, not Caramel Latte. The gradient is perfect
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I mean, I don’t know what your espresso looks like, mine is usually a layer of foam on top of the liquid, not a gradient...
Post by: GreatKingNorann on Tue, 22 December 2020, 17:29:52
When you pour milk or cream into espresso, the color shifts. You want an all caramel set. That’s boring, but maybe you like simple, plain jane things. I think the OC hit this dead on and I’m definitely in for it!I don't think the gradient works, like at all. the color of the top row with the mods as they are would be a great set!You’re wrong. It’s Espresso, not Caramel Latte. The gradient is perfect
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I mean, I don’t know what your espresso looks like, mine is usually a layer of foam on top of the liquid, not a gradient...
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Post by: dwarflemur on Tue, 22 December 2020, 17:40:13
When you pour milk or cream into espresso, the color shifts. You want an all caramel set. That’s boring, but maybe you like simple, plain jane things. I think the OC hit this dead on and I’m definitely in for it!I don't think the gradient works, like at all. the color of the top row with the mods as they are would be a great set!You’re wrong. It’s Espresso, not Caramel Latte. The gradient is perfect
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I mean, I don’t know what your espresso looks like, mine is usually a layer of foam on top of the liquid, not a gradient...
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Gotta love resulting to personal insults because we don't agree on whether colors look nice or not lmao
Post by: GreatKingNorann on Tue, 22 December 2020, 17:44:26
Personal insults? Lol. You must be pretty soft if you think that’s an insult. I was just saying your opinion. Gradient is too much for you, you want a simple set with all one color alphas. I recommend KAT PBJ if you haven’t seen it, it looks really good. Maybe you’ll like it. Hopefully this doesn’t “personally insult you”. Funny guy, funny guyWhen you pour milk or cream into espresso, the color shifts. You want an all caramel set. That’s boring, but maybe you like simple, plain jane things. I think the OC hit this dead on and I’m definitely in for it!I don't think the gradient works, like at all. the color of the top row with the mods as they are would be a great set!You’re wrong. It’s Espresso, not Caramel Latte. The gradient is perfect
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I mean, I don’t know what your espresso looks like, mine is usually a layer of foam on top of the liquid, not a gradient...
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Gotta love resulting to personal insults because we don't agree on whether colors look nice or not lmao
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Post by: dwarflemur on Tue, 22 December 2020, 17:48:25
Post by: GreatKingNorann on Tue, 22 December 2020, 17:51:40
not sure where I said I don't like gradients? I don't mind them, but they are very very hard to make look good and imo it doesn't work here. That's just my opinion though. no need to be a jerk because someone disagrees with you. have a nice dayBro, no one is being a jerk. You’re being weird and sensitive in a IC thread. I was just pointing out how I think your opinion is wrong. If you can say it doesn’t work, I can disagree with you. That way the set is less likely to change because of your comment because I need 2 of these sets for my girlfriend and I. She especially wants this just the way it is. Now you can have a good day, sir lmao
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Post by: violeaf on Tue, 22 December 2020, 19:18:46
Post by: Havattack on Tue, 22 December 2020, 19:40:52
You must be new to the internet. You have to preface EVERYTHING you say, especially anything even slightly negative, with "just in my humble opinion" (as if you aren't the one saying it..) and "I don't mean to offend anyone", etc, etc. If you don't, you will get some weirdo stalking your post, and telling you how their mentally disabled daughter thinks you're evil, becasue you called one of their favorite keycaps "lame"....not sure where I said I don't like gradients? I don't mind them, but they are very very hard to make look good and imo it doesn't work here. That's just my opinion though. no need to be a jerk because someone disagrees with you. have a nice dayBro, no one is being a jerk. You’re being weird and sensitive in a IC thread. I was just pointing out how I think your opinion is wrong. If you can say it doesn’t work, I can disagree with you. That way the set is less likely to change because of your comment because I need 2 of these sets for my girlfriend and I. She especially wants this just the way it is. Now you can have a good day, sir lmao
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For some reason, a lot of people seem to wrap their self worth up in their opinions, beliefs, and hobbies, or something, and take it extremely personal when you express your dislike of something they like.
Opinions are not people, and are perfectly fine to "insult".
Pardon the rant.
Post by: Havattack on Tue, 22 December 2020, 19:44:48
He did not insult, or attack you in any way. You are not your opinion, and your opinion is not you.When you pour milk or cream into espresso, the color shifts. You want an all caramel set. That’s boring, but maybe you like simple, plain jane things. I think the OC hit this dead on and I’m definitely in for it!I don't think the gradient works, like at all. the color of the top row with the mods as they are would be a great set!You’re wrong. It’s Espresso, not Caramel Latte. The gradient is perfect
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I mean, I don’t know what your espresso looks like, mine is usually a layer of foam on top of the liquid, not a gradient...
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Gotta love resulting to personal insults because we don't agree on whether colors look nice or not lmao
Post by: violeaf on Tue, 22 December 2020, 20:09:17
He did not insult, or attack you in any way. You are not your opinion, and your opinion is not you.
In my opinion it gets unnecessarily personal when someone makes an assertion about your preferences such as "you must like simple things", and it can be a fine line between personal and insulting, each to their own, different interpretations would inevitably lead to something worse than intended.
Plus when you reveal your fear of not getting what you want because someone's made a single negative comment, it quite obvious who's being aggressively defensive here.
Also, "I disagree" is better than "no you are wrong".
Anyway, I agree that the gradient doesn't reflect espresso exactly, I still quite like it, reminds me of some fancy Nespressso coffee thing that's definitely not espresso!
Post by: Donosir on Wed, 23 December 2020, 09:49:59
If anyone could enlighten me that would be much appreciated.
Post by: Havattack on Wed, 23 December 2020, 10:39:26
Hello, anyone know what material this is? I could be daft an just misunderstand some rule like "SA is always abs" but I can't seem to find any indicator on the thread about this.You probably all ready know, but SA is just the form of the key-caps, a form multiple companies use. Some companies use only pbt, some only ABS, some both. I don't know if it's a "rule" per say, but the company that's going to make these SA profile caps (SP I assume, they make most the SA sets I've seen posted in here) has always used ABS as far as I know.
If anyone could enlighten me that would be much appreciated.
Post by: Donosir on Wed, 23 December 2020, 11:18:52
You probably all ready know, but SA is just the form of the key-caps, a form multiple companies use. Some companies use only pbt, some only ABS, some both. I don't know if it's a "rule" per say, but the company that's going to make these SA profile caps (SP I assume, they make most the SA sets I've seen posted in here) has always used ABS as far as I know.
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Ah, thanks. Yeah I am aware of the profile. I just wasn't sure if there was a situation (like as you mentioned with the manufacturer) that would denote what material this set would be. Thanks for the information.
Post by: GreatKingNorann on Wed, 23 December 2020, 12:00:58
I’m not censoring myself. If someone expresses pretty harshly that they think the set doesn’t work, I’m definitely going to say that they’re wrong. Also, if you wanted a super accurate representation of Espresso, you’d pretty much have an all near black keycap setHe did not insult, or attack you in any way. You are not your opinion, and your opinion is not you.
In my opinion it gets unnecessarily personal when someone makes an assertion about your preferences such as "you must like simple things", and it can be a fine line between personal and insulting, each to their own, different interpretations would inevitably lead to something worse than intended.
Plus when you reveal your fear of not getting what you want because someone's made a single negative comment, it quite obvious who's being aggressively defensive here.
Also, "I disagree" is better than "no you are wrong".
Anyway, I agree that the gradient doesn't reflect espresso exactly, I still quite like it, reminds me of some fancy Nespressso coffee thing that's definitely not espresso!
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Post by: Havattack on Wed, 23 December 2020, 19:32:24
Post by: paulomalley on Mon, 28 December 2020, 03:28:28
Looks like I am going to need to find a coffee themed Coiled cable to go along with it now. ;)
Can't wait! :)
Post by: onemai117 on Thu, 14 January 2021, 22:29:52
Post by: JPoc on Fri, 15 January 2021, 17:00:29
Back in september I hit a bit of an obstacle with color matching, as of all the stock colors I ordered only one matched the set.
Getting the colors sorted out would get the set pretty much ready for GB, but I'm still very busy with life so this might take a good while.
I'll post again whenever I have news. Thanks for the support!
Post by: ChaosAirlines on Mon, 18 January 2021, 06:07:12
Post by: hottrout on Mon, 18 January 2021, 06:16:00
Hey everyone! Sorry for the silence these past few months. I had to put the project on hold due to work and studies, but I would still really love to get this done. I'm also glad to see that people are still interested here.
Back in september I hit a bit of an obstacle with color matching, as of all the stock colors I ordered only one matched the set.
Getting the colors sorted out would get the set pretty much ready for GB, but I'm still very busy with life so this might take a good while.
I'll post again whenever I have news. Thanks for the support!
Read and understood, life has a habit of getting in the way of these things. Ready to get behind you when you are ready.
Post by: Grandmasternoob on Mon, 18 January 2021, 06:51:36
Post by: sendrim on Mon, 18 January 2021, 20:04:59
Post by: CandyDoc on Tue, 19 January 2021, 16:12:10
I'm glad that you didn't drop the project or something like that... I realy like the colors would love to have this on my keyboard :)
Post by: shortdog6 on Tue, 19 January 2021, 19:56:08
Post by: Exluna on Thu, 21 January 2021, 22:47:27
Post by: PusaCat666 on Fri, 22 January 2021, 00:57:08
Post by: Sumthingasian on Sat, 23 January 2021, 09:43:15
Post by: herfalerf on Sat, 23 January 2021, 11:56:29
Post by: PusaCat666 on Sat, 23 January 2021, 21:54:17
Hey everyone! Sorry for the silence these past few months. I had to put the project on hold due to work and studies, but I would still really love to get this done. I'm also glad to see that people are still interested here.
Back in september I hit a bit of an obstacle with color matching, as of all the stock colors I ordered only one matched the set.
Getting the colors sorted out would get the set pretty much ready for GB, but I'm still very busy with life so this might take a good while.
I'll post again whenever I have news. Thanks for the support!
Read and understood, life has a habit of getting in the way of these things. Ready to get behind you when you are ready.
Aaah same. Once I get my finances stable and ready then, you got me behind you. These caps are amazing!
Post by: i luv chuletas on Mon, 25 January 2021, 12:09:37
Hey everyone! Sorry for the silence these past few months. I had to put the project on hold due to work and studies, but I would still really love to get this done. I'm also glad to see that people are still interested here.
Back in september I hit a bit of an obstacle with color matching, as of all the stock colors I ordered only one matched the set.
Getting the colors sorted out would get the set pretty much ready for GB, but I'm still very busy with life so this might take a good while.
I'll post again whenever I have news. Thanks for the support!
Man, I'm hoping you find the time to make this project a reality. This one of the very few SA sets that I just find myself needing.
Make it happen brotha, and good luck with school!
Post by: KidsForCthulhu on Tue, 26 January 2021, 01:43:49
Post by: MadBinton on Wed, 27 January 2021, 13:22:47
Please do make this set? It just looks amazing in those renders, particularly with black and brass.
I do get your studies are more important, but it'd be so sad to abandon this when the set and mat and everything are already so close to completion.
Post by: KidsForCthulhu on Thu, 28 January 2021, 01:40:04
Post by: ChaosAirlines on Sun, 31 January 2021, 08:20:13
GIMMI GIMMI UPDATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude, this hobby requires patience. Plus, he's a real person, not a company or anything like that, he has other things going on in his life besides this. Cut him some slack, especially now. Pressing for updates every few days can be annoying; I get the excitement but let it happen.
Post by: lush_bunny on Mon, 01 February 2021, 12:07:46
GIMMI GIMMI UPDATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just in case you missed it, OP's last post was:
Hey everyone! Sorry for the silence these past few months. I had to put the project on hold due to work and studies, but I would still really love to get this done. I'm also glad to see that people are still interested here.
Back in september I hit a bit of an obstacle with color matching, as of all the stock colors I ordered only one matched the set.
Getting the colors sorted out would get the set pretty much ready for GB, but I'm still very busy with life so this might take a good while.
I'll post again whenever I have news. Thanks for the support!
Post by: Havattack on Mon, 01 February 2021, 14:54:25
He just asked a question. He didn't say or imply that he is a "fake" person or a "company. He did not take any "slack". He is not "pressing". He's not rushing him, or being rude ... maybe just a little annoying... I think you might want to consider your own advice, and have some patience for those that lack.... patience. LOL ;)GIMMI GIMMI UPDATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dude, this hobby requires patience. Plus, he's a real person, not a company or anything like that, he has other things going on in his life besides this. Cut him some slack, especially now. Pressing for updates every few days can be annoying; I get the excitement but let it happen.
Post by: ChaosAirlines on Wed, 03 February 2021, 14:37:56
Edit: I see your point. I apologise, KidsForCthulhu, I could have handled my annoyance better
Post by: Natac24 on Mon, 08 February 2021, 04:03:03
Post by: JPoc on Fri, 19 February 2021, 18:12:17
I picked up the set again, and things are looking pretty great. We have a tentative GB date for late April.
At the moment I'm working on collabs and finishing color matching. I was worried that five custom colors would be too expensive, but it turns out it will be all right.
Also I'm happy to mention that Ashkeebs will be the vendor for Canada.
I won't get into more detail at the moment, as I prefer to leave it for a big proper update soon, but here's one of the new renders with the GMMK PRO case (model by Elmo, design by GPCGR).
As always, thanks for the support.
(https://i.imgur.com/ACI0EiI.jpg)
Post by: Havattack on Fri, 19 February 2021, 20:38:25
Post by: Baranix on Fri, 19 February 2021, 21:39:54
Post by: catbus on Fri, 19 February 2021, 21:55:04
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Post by: lush_bunny on Fri, 19 February 2021, 23:52:51
Post by: hottrout on Sat, 20 February 2021, 04:58:59
Post by: Reckless on Sat, 20 February 2021, 10:51:53
Post by: JPoc on Sat, 20 February 2021, 20:21:46
Post by: ChaosAirlines on Sun, 21 February 2021, 01:33:01
AND spoiling us with a tentative group buy?! I'm so glad I've been watching this set. I'm so glad to see it get this far.
Post by: Sumthingasian on Mon, 22 February 2021, 19:53:31
Post by: onemai117 on Sat, 27 February 2021, 09:53:03
Post by: NilKeebs on Sat, 27 February 2021, 10:17:33
Post by: Re9456 on Sat, 27 February 2021, 10:55:27
Post by: JPoc on Sat, 27 February 2021, 18:11:14
Wonder if this set can be produced in other profile in the future, I just can't type with SA profile...
I definitely plan to if everything goes well and there's interest
Post by: MadBinton on Mon, 01 March 2021, 10:38:14
Wonder if this set can be produced in other profile in the future, I just can't type with SA profile...
I definitely plan to if everything goes well and there's interest
Oh you have me interested. I really love how espresso like this looks. And that 75% render really sold it for me. Probably going to go with a different 75% though, but this looks so nice.
I mean, it might not be for everyone, but please run this set?
Post by: onemai117 on Mon, 01 March 2021, 19:08:26
Post by: JPoc on Mon, 01 March 2021, 20:33:01
I would like to know who will be manufacturer for this set? Maxkey, Domikey or Signature plastic?
The manufacturer will be Signature Plastics
Post by: Jennisaurus on Mon, 01 March 2021, 22:18:47
Post by: cijanzen on Mon, 01 March 2021, 22:27:09
My bad I guess, you do you. Body dismorphia come in all forms..There is no place for this kind of backhanded talk here, or frankly anywhere else. Keep the discussion to the keycaps.
Post by: JPoc on Thu, 11 March 2021, 13:13:25
As mentioned in the post, the GB will be from April 13th to May 14th and you can find pricing, collabs with THOK and RocketCables and the colors for the set, as well as a couple new renders.
It's really awesome to finally move forward with the set. I hope you're as excited as I am.
(https://i.imgur.com/biJVKcW.jpg)
Post by: Extra-Cwispy on Thu, 11 March 2021, 13:55:44
Post by: JPoc on Thu, 11 March 2021, 15:41:37
my caffeine addiction says to pick this one up :D glwgb!
Thanks! glad you like it ^-^
Post by: Langelandia on Thu, 11 March 2021, 16:05:53
Post by: Sumthingasian on Thu, 11 March 2021, 16:13:08
Post by: JPoc on Thu, 11 March 2021, 19:49:16
This is good and should be purchased by many. GLWGB <3
Thanks!
I'm in for at least two sets to cover a Polycarb TKL and a 40. I've been so excited for this! Thanks for finally getting around to making the buy happen :thumb:
Glad to hear that! Thank you for the support
Post by: diggergig on Fri, 12 March 2021, 10:59:05
Post by: WaynaPawiasek on Fri, 12 March 2021, 11:03:13
Support for a German Layout costs almost 200 USD this way?! I'd have to purchase ISO and NorDe Kit!!
Post by: Bubblegum on Fri, 12 March 2021, 13:08:30
There is no ISO Enter in the NorDe kit?
Support for a German Layout costs almost 200 USD this way?! I'd have to purchase ISO and NorDe Kit!!
Was also hoping to have ISO Enter and 1.25u Shift added to the NorDe kit. Brought up on the IC first page and it was taken into consideration without any changes. So I doubt it will change, but it's indeed $37 for 2 Keys.
In either way. Love this set and am super happy that we get a NorDe kit at all!
Post by: JPoc on Wed, 17 March 2021, 07:33:32
There is no ISO Enter in the NorDe kit?
Support for a German Layout costs almost 200 USD this way?! I'd have to purchase ISO and NorDe Kit!!
Was also hoping to have ISO Enter and 1.25u Shift added to the NorDe kit. Brought up on the IC first page and it was taken into consideration without any changes. So I doubt it will change, but it's indeed $37 for 2 Keys.
I'll look into this. I see now that you did bring it up previously, but with all the kitting changes it must've slipped my mind.
Post by: lush_bunny on Wed, 17 March 2021, 14:03:53
Hey all! Here is the new update.
As mentioned in the post, the GB will be from April 13th to May 14th and you can find pricing, collabs with THOK and RocketCables and the colors for the set, as well as a couple new renders.
It's really awesome to finally move forward with the set. I hope you're as excited as I am.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/biJVKcW.jpg)
How the hell did I miss this?? Excited for May :cool:
Post by: iinko_mk on Wed, 17 March 2021, 21:00:52
Post by: Bubblegum on Thu, 18 March 2021, 00:34:55
There is no ISO Enter in the NorDe kit?
Support for a German Layout costs almost 200 USD this way?! I'd have to purchase ISO and NorDe Kit!!Was also hoping to have ISO Enter and 1.25u Shift added to the NorDe kit. Brought up on the IC first page and it was taken into consideration without any changes. So I doubt it will change, but it's indeed $37 for 2 Keys.
I'll look into this. I see now that you did bring it up previously, but with all the kitting changes it must've slipped my mind.
Great news, hoping it's a possible change!
Post by: WaynaPawiasek on Thu, 18 March 2021, 18:34:09
Post by: JPoc on Sat, 20 March 2021, 13:25:33
I also removed AltGr keys from ISO kit to lower the price and help it hit MOQ.
ISO: From $36.99 to $24.99
NorDe: From $29.99 to $37.99
Hope you like these changes!
(https://i.imgur.com/LUGzmXy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/UsrgcMu.jpg)
Post by: hottrout on Sun, 21 March 2021, 05:03:55
Post by: lush_bunny on Sun, 21 March 2021, 06:01:47
- That artisan cap is gorgeous! I don't see any pricing for it though, so I hope it's still in the works and it's just priced separately.
- Will you consider adding a centered 6u centered stem spacebar in the spacebar kit? I'm kind of used now with a symmetrical bottom row with 6u centered with most of my boards now. This is accommodated by the two 3u's in the kit, but I'd appreciate the 6u centered option.
- I've never purchased sets manufactured by SP before, is a 12 month fulfillment normal for them?
- How flat are SA spacebars? For the board I'm putting this in, I need three 2u horizontal caps, but because the set only uses one mod color, I see only two. So I might just make use of the 2u spacebar in the spacebar kit.
That's all, I'm really looking forward to May :thumb:
Post by: WaynaPawiasek on Sun, 21 March 2021, 06:11:28
Post by: hottrout on Sun, 21 March 2021, 10:21:35
Post by: JPoc on Mon, 22 March 2021, 12:56:54
Hello Mr. Espresso man, I am interested in buying but I have a few questions:
- That artisan cap is gorgeous! I don't see any pricing for it though, so I hope it's still in the works and it's just priced separately.
- Will you consider adding a centered 6u centered stem spacebar in the spacebar kit? I'm kind of used now with a symmetrical bottom row with 6u centered with most of my boards now. This is accommodated by the two 3u's in the kit, but I'd appreciate the 6u centered option.
- I've never purchased sets manufactured by SP before, is a 12 month fulfillment normal for them?
- How flat are SA spacebars? For the board I'm putting this in, I need three 2u horizontal caps, but because the set only uses one mod color, I see only two. So I might just make use of the 2u spacebar in the spacebar kit.
That's all, I'm really looking forward to May :thumb:
1. Glad you like it! Yeah I will be adding pricing soon.
2. I probably won't be doing any more kitting changes, considering we are pretty close to GB. Hope that's not a big issue for you.
3. I don't know if 12 months if usual for them but I've been told it's because their current project volume.
4. You can refer to SA R3 to get an idea of how flat the smaller spacebars are.
The Artisan cap is just perfect for this set, very well done. Do you think you could add prototypist as the UK vendor for this set?
Thanks! for the moment we will only be running with MyKeyboard
Post by: lush_bunny on Mon, 22 March 2021, 14:17:38
Post by: Bubblegum on Mon, 22 March 2021, 16:03:09
Post by: BullRage on Tue, 23 March 2021, 01:52:43
Post by: Havattack on Mon, 29 March 2021, 12:23:13
-The modifiers and alphas are always separate.
-And i don't have give a shady company GMK my $$$
Post by: BullRage on Mon, 29 March 2021, 12:26:58
I love SA kits so much- Best form.
-The modifiers and alphas are always separate.
-And i don't have give a shady company GMK my $$$
Why is GMK shady?
I'm new to this, so it would be kind, if you could explain it to me.
I'm not really into their sets as well.
Thank you!
Post by: justinhigley on Mon, 29 March 2021, 12:36:26
Love pretty much everything else about this kit.
Post by: Havattack on Mon, 29 March 2021, 21:16:58
Other then playing favorites, and allowing certain sets to jump ahead in the queue, they have most recently, stopped a perfectly legitimate set, for seemingly no valid reason, and then refuse to explain why. (possibly on the behalf of someone they play favorites with, or just do to ineptitude.) You can look at the GMK retowave ic thread (beginning in the middle of page 4) here to read more into it.I love SA kits so much- Best form.
-The modifiers and alphas are always separate.
-And i don't have give a shady company GMK my $$$
Why is GMK shady?
I'm new to this, so it would be kind, if you could explain it to me.
I'm not really into their sets as well.
Thank you!
Post by: Xury46 on Tue, 30 March 2021, 00:47:31
Post by: Frayne on Tue, 30 March 2021, 01:49:22
Post by: Emolokz on Tue, 30 March 2021, 10:29:57
Post by: JPoc on Tue, 30 March 2021, 12:08:48
Love this set so much!! Couple questions though, are these caps abs or pbt? Gloss or semi matte? (looks like semi from the render, but never hurts to ask) And how thick?
They are ABS double-shot and yes, semi-matte. If you're wondering about exact thickness, this is SP's description: "The side wall at the bottom skirt of the keycap is around 0.060 inches thick. When doubleshot molded, the side wall higher into the key is roughly 0.105 inches thick."
Glad you like the set!
Post by: mr_foggy on Thu, 01 April 2021, 04:08:16
I love SA kits so much- Best form.+1. what is happening on Retrowave is inexcusable.
-The modifiers and alphas are always separate.
-And i don't have give a shady company GMK my $$$
and this set looks fantastic, probably the most beautiful I've seen and I'm not exaggerating. born and raised in the Espresso country of origin, I just need to have this set. I'll be in on the GB on day one.
Post by: butcherq on Sun, 04 April 2021, 05:12:34
I have a question though. Are THOK x SA Espresso keycaps a limited run? In other words, will anyone be able to get the keycap during the group buy, or should I order it ASAP as the supply might dry up?
Post by: Jo_hannes on Sun, 04 April 2021, 06:56:06
I have a question though. Are THOK x SA Espresso keycaps a limited run? In other words, will anyone be able to get the keycap during the group buy, or should I order it ASAP as the supply might dry up?
Nope, these are usually available for as long as the GB is open. So no rush. :) /Johannes
Post by: JPoc on Sun, 04 April 2021, 13:42:33
I really like this set! It look like it is going to be my very first group buy. :)
I have a question though. Are THOK x SA Espresso keycaps a limited run? In other words, will anyone be able to get the keycap during the group buy, or should I order it ASAP as the supply might dry up?
Glad to hear that! What Johannes said is correct, will be available during GB.
Post by: scoopbb on Tue, 06 April 2021, 15:29:30
I can't figure out the mod color GH VB NM. Any reason for this? Would have been nice to have R4 1u blanks (2) for more support than just ergodox.
Post by: lush_bunny on Tue, 06 April 2021, 17:28:34
I really like this set! It look like it is going to be my very first group buy. :)
I have a question though. Are THOK x SA Espresso keycaps a limited run? In other words, will anyone be able to get the keycap during the group buy, or should I order it ASAP as the supply might dry up?
Glad to hear that! What Johannes said is correct, will be available during GB.
- Will the pretty metal cap orders be unlimited? I ask because I plan to order on May.
- Can you bundle it with the rest of the set upon purchase? I ask because I remember this really cool novelty for Sanctuary Rebirth that was only available when you purchase from TKC (I purchased from zFrontier)
Thanks, looking forward to the group buy.
Post by: JPoc on Tue, 06 April 2021, 19:06:12
I can't figure out the mod color GH VB NM. Any reason for this? Would have been nice to have R4 1u blanks (2) for more support than just ergodox.
Those keycaps are just a little extra I thought looked nice, an accent to swap with the alphas if you like the look
Post by: JPoc on Tue, 06 April 2021, 19:17:29
- Will the pretty metal cap orders be unlimited? I ask because I plan to order on May.
- Can you bundle it with the rest of the set upon purchase? I ask because I remember this really cool novelty for Sanctuary Rebirth that was only available when you purchase from TKC (I purchased from zFrontier)
Thanks, looking forward to the group buy.
Yes, THOK keycap orders are unlimited during the GB period and you will be able to get it together with the rest of your purchase.
Post by: ChaosAirlines on Fri, 09 April 2021, 22:08:29
Post by: Skeil on Sat, 10 April 2021, 08:40:17
Post by: ttttug on Sat, 10 April 2021, 10:23:07
Very happy I chose today to check up on them, see you at GB!
n_
Post by: JPoc on Sat, 10 April 2021, 18:33:25
As a coffee freak, I like. gl!
Thanks!
Wow, completely forgot I had this thread bookmarked.
Very happy I chose today to check up on them, see you at GB!
n_
See you then!
I'm so so so excited to be so close the the group buy for this set!! I can't wait!
I'm beyond excited myself ^-^
Post by: bdju on Sun, 11 April 2021, 23:11:05
Post by: JPoc on Tue, 13 April 2021, 07:44:52
GB Thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=112244.0)
Most vendors are up, will be updating the rest during the day.
Post by: Timber Mech on Wed, 14 April 2021, 05:06:46
Post by: olivierpons on Sat, 17 April 2021, 05:15:36
The alphas kit has a nice color gradient, and the R3 keys have this nice "light" maroon color.
And why doesnt the Ortho/40s kit have the same color gradient? The R3 keys have this nice "light" maroon color but very "dark" color, so they look nice in the R3 position on the keyboard... am I missing something?
Post by: rmendis on Tue, 20 April 2021, 17:58:00
Wonder if this set can be produced in other profile in the future, I just can't type with SA profile...
I definitely plan to if everything goes well and there's interest
This would be an insta-buy in GMK. Love the colors - fantastic job!
Post by: Mutt on Fri, 30 April 2021, 16:20:58
First post, first keyboard, first GB, so bear with me! I absolutely love the look of this set and think it will go great with a wooden case but I've hit a couple of snags to sort out before I can commit to buying this.
I'm looking at using a BM60 ISO PCB because I like the form factor and I don't have the patience for that much soldering any more! I should need the alphas, TKL, and the ISO kits for a UK layout however, what looks like a 6.25U space is followed by 5 x 1U keys (3 for arrows) but the TKL doesn't have a 1U Alt which means adding the specialty kit FOR another €32 just to get a single key! Is that normal on group buys? This isn't a criticism, as I say, I'm new here and would appreciate hearing other viewpoints.
Also, thanks to what I assume is f%$>@ing Brexit, mykeyboard.eu don't appear to be accepting orders under €155 for UK based orders. Is anyone else here UK based and ordering these? Is it better to order from elsewhere and do you know if there are customs charges on this kind of thing?
TIA for any advice,
Post by: cijanzen on Fri, 30 April 2021, 20:16:26
Hi all,5 1u keys isn’t very common for a bottom row. It’s hard to capture every keyboard layout in a reasonably priced kit and unfortunately the outliers often have to pay a bit more to buy an extension kit of some sorts.
First post, first keyboard, first GB, so bear with me! I absolutely love the look of this set and think it will go great with a wooden case but I've hit a couple of snags to sort out before I can commit to buying this.
I'm looking at using a BM60 ISO PCB because I like the form factor and I don't have the patience for that much soldering any more! I should need the alphas, TKL, and the ISO kits for a UK layout however, what looks like a 6.25U space is followed by 5 x 1U keys (3 for arrows) but the TKL doesn't have a 1U Alt which means adding the specialty kit FOR another €32 just to get a single key! Is that normal on group buys? This isn't a criticism, as I say, I'm new here and would appreciate hearing other viewpoints.
Also, thanks to what I assume is f%$>@ing Brexit, mykeyboard.eu don't appear to be accepting orders under €155 for UK based orders. Is anyone else here UK based and ordering these? Is it better to order from elsewhere and do you know if there are customs charges on this kind of thing?
TIA for any advice,
It’s the price of a more unique layout unfortunately. So yes, this is normal if your board falls outside of more common conventions.
With that said, I’d say these kits are very reasonably priced for what they are. If you like the colourway, best to join now rather than regret it later and pay more on the aftermarket.