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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #50 on: Thu, 11 September 2014, 21:40:35 »
I'm surprised no one here can render a better mockup.  I wish I could but I don't have the first idea where to start with that.  :(

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 11 September 2014, 22:23:27 »
Interested in 4 sets.

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 11 September 2014, 22:37:30 »
Set looks really cool nubbs. I am trying not to spend any more money on keyboard stuff this year, but I really like the colours!

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #53 on: Thu, 11 September 2014, 23:07:48 »
I really am digging this set.  Love me some bright colors!  Not digging GMK pricing though.  You can tentatively put me down for a set as well.  I will have to sell some stuff off if this ends up going through.   :thumb:
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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #54 on: Thu, 11 September 2014, 23:23:27 »
Nothing's stopping you from running your own Handerbeit buy Elrick. This is an idea I was playing around with and thought would be fun.  Yes, it's practically a '90s Lisa Frank theme, but it's supposed to be ridiculous and fun.  Personally, I hate Handerbeit.  This was a fun theme that I wanted to see if there's a chance could be done, even though I have my doubts.

That's why I love it. I bought every Lisa Frank item at the Book Fair. No ****s given.  :cool:
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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #55 on: Fri, 12 September 2014, 05:24:32 »
Nothing's stopping you from running your own Handerbeit buy Elrick. This is an idea I was playing around with and thought would be fun.  Yes, it's practically a '90s Lisa Frank theme, but it's supposed to be ridiculous and fun.  Personally, I hate Handerbeit.  This was a fun theme that I wanted to see if there's a chance could be done, even though I have my doubts.

Me running a Group Buy is akin to giving a Pikey the keys to the Royal Mint, not too smart for you guys here on Geekhack, trust me on that  :thumb: .

Another small b1tch to you nubbsey, is that could you change your title of "Manly Unicorn" to something else because it sounds to me like some kind of new Gay Sex Toy (don't ask why I know about such things here).
 
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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #56 on: Fri, 12 September 2014, 05:50:07 »
Another small b1tch to you nubbsey, is that could you change your title of "Manly Unicorn" to something else because it sounds to me like some kind of new Gay Sex Toy (don't ask why I know about such things here).

Maybe your head's just in the wrong place, Elrick.  :p

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #57 on: Fri, 12 September 2014, 06:44:19 »
"Manly Unicorn" is OK, but Handarbeit ... every time I think Handjob ....  :eek:
But enough with this foul language :P I like the idea, is crazy as hell, and as I say "I'm man enough to have a pink/purple  keyboard and drive a small car"  >:D

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 12 September 2014, 11:55:37 »
It really is more 90's neon than unicorn to be sure. It needs purple spacebars, matching the rest of the character keys is a must. I think instead of the yellow WASD inverse of the rest of alphas would look better. Perhaps do the entire F keys row in yellow?

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #59 on: Fri, 12 September 2014, 11:58:08 »
This is pretty rad.
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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #60 on: Fri, 12 September 2014, 14:27:44 »
This sets is absolutely stupid. So I'd totally buy one if it goes with GMK because unicorns and cherry proflie is like unicorns and cherry profile. Wouldn't buy if SP though.

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #61 on: Fri, 12 September 2014, 15:09:57 »
like Handerbeit's just not enough
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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #62 on: Fri, 12 September 2014, 20:35:57 »
It really is more 90's neon than unicorn to be sure. It needs purple spacebars, matching the rest of the character keys is a must. I think instead of the yellow WASD inverse of the rest of alphas would look better. Perhaps do the entire F keys row in yellow?

It just loses something to me in that change:



I suppose I can look at building a tamer version of the set into the set, like WASD, purple space bar, and matched caps lock and backspace, but the added cost may drive some people away.

This sets is absolutely stupid. So I'd totally buy one if it goes with GMK because unicorns and cherry proflie is like unicorns and cherry profile. Wouldn't buy if SP though.

I can tell you get me with this.

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #63 on: Fri, 12 September 2014, 20:56:04 »
It really is more 90's neon than unicorn to be sure. It needs purple spacebars, matching the rest of the character keys is a must. I think instead of the yellow WASD inverse of the rest of alphas would look better. Perhaps do the entire F keys row in yellow?

It just loses something to me in that change:

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I suppose I can look at building a tamer version of the set into the set, like WASD, purple space bar, and matched caps lock and backspace, but the added cost may drive some people away.

This sets is absolutely stupid. So I'd totally buy one if it goes with GMK because unicorns and cherry proflie is like unicorns and cherry profile. Wouldn't buy if SP though.

I can tell you get me with this.

So what you think the cost would be more or less? X to Y price wise in sort of speak
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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #64 on: Fri, 12 September 2014, 21:13:24 »
If caps are added, price will increase.  I can't say by what price it will increase.

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #65 on: Fri, 12 September 2014, 21:35:45 »
The changes aren't bad but I'm also a bit more partial to the original, I think.  Either way, if it's GMK, still in.  Just gotta hit that MOQ...

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #66 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 00:05:26 »
Are you going to add glitter? :P

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #67 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 00:13:42 »
Are you going to add glitter? :P

For you, I can glue some on...or throw a handful in for you, glitterbomb style.

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #68 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 00:17:45 »
Are you going to add glitter? :P

For you, I can glue some on...or throw a handful in for you, glitterbomb style.

Are you telling me that gmk can't use glitter infused plastic with their molds? 1/10
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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #69 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 00:25:32 »
Are you going to add glitter? :P

For you, I can glue some on...or throw a handful in for you, glitterbomb style.

Are you telling me that gmk can't use glitter infused plastic with their molds? 1/10




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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #70 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 00:36:09 »
Are you going to add glitter? :P

For you, I can glue some on...or throw a handful in for you, glitterbomb style.

Would the glue wear off with use? =[

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #71 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 01:57:05 »
I for one would love this.

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #72 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 06:06:52 »
Are you going to add glitter? :P

For you, I can glue some on...or throw a handful in for you, glitterbomb style.

Are you telling me that gmk can't use glitter infused plastic with their molds? 1/10

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #73 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 06:20:16 »
What's with that yellow F-row? Make it rainbow. Show people here you're not joking.

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #74 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 06:33:47 »
"Manly Unicorn" is OK, but Handarbeit ... every time I think Handjob ....  :eek:

Of course, that exactly what handarbeit means. Hand = hand, arbeit = job/work.
I'd buy the handjob set in GMK.

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #75 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 07:24:04 »
"Manly Unicorn" is OK, but Handarbeit ... every time I think Handjob ....  :eek:

Of course, that exactly what handarbeit means. Hand = hand, arbeit = job/work.
I'd buy the handjob set in GMK.

It's no coincidence that handarbeit rhymes with... nevermind
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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #77 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 08:44:36 »
What's with that yellow F-row? Make it rainbow. Show people here you're not joking.

This guy knows what's up
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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #78 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 09:09:40 »
"Manly Unicorn" is OK, but Handarbeit ... every time I think Handjob ....  :eek:

Of course, that exactly what handarbeit means. Hand = hand, arbeit = job/work.
I'd buy the handjob set in GMK.
I know, I speak German :D
we could call it the Manly Unicorn Handarbeit :cool:
Anyway this set is so crazy I would love one :D

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #79 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 14:37:47 »
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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #80 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 15:25:56 »
I would definitely buy this!

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #82 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 15:37:18 »
I'm just gonna leave this here... http://blog.urbanoutfitters.com/features/omg_lisa_frank

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #83 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 15:40:08 »
Just putting this out there since some people are putting SP level prices as the most they'd pay, $65-80 isn't really a reasonable expectation for a full GMK set.  Expect a full set to be in the $100-130 range.  I wish it could be cheaper, but GMK is more expensive than SP.  That said, the quality of the caps is much higher and you get nice, thick caps that are the same level of quality as original Cherry caps.

If people are willing to forgo GMK quality and go SP and novelties, that is an option, but I'm keeping fingers crossed for GMK level of interest.

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #84 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 19:11:53 »
That said, the quality of the caps is much higher and you get nice, thick caps that are the same level of quality as original Cherry caps.

If people want the VERY best version of ABS key-caps then always go to the original makers - GMK  :thumb: . ...........enough said.

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« Reply #85 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 20:19:17 »
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« Reply #87 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 21:40:28 »
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Because if the colours were all mixed together, then it would look like he's puking ****.
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« Reply #88 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 21:53:00 »
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Because if the colours were all mixed together, then it would look like he's puking ****.

Isn't that what everyone wants here in this Group Buy, something odious and abhorrent?  You never know what the younger generations want or think is cool these days hence it will always be something that borders the edge of distasteful and disgusting that will attract them,  just like in my day  8) .

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #89 on: Sat, 13 September 2014, 22:46:53 »
Just putting this out there since some people are putting SP level prices as the most they'd pay, $65-80 isn't really a reasonable expectation for a full GMK set.  Expect a full set to be in the $100-130 range.  I wish it could be cheaper, but GMK is more expensive than SP.  That said, the quality of the caps is much higher and you get nice, thick caps that are the same level of quality as original Cherry caps.

If people are willing to forgo GMK quality and go SP and novelties, that is an option, but I'm keeping fingers crossed for GMK level of interest.

I placed my prices around there just because not everyday does a set like this become "Possibly available" to the public

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #90 on: Sun, 14 September 2014, 08:06:29 »
Please make this possible. I will get one.
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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #91 on: Sun, 14 September 2014, 08:39:28 »
Just putting this out there since some people are putting SP level prices as the most they'd pay, $65-80 isn't really a reasonable expectation for a full GMK set.  Expect a full set to be in the $100-130 range.  I wish it could be cheaper, but GMK is more expensive than SP.  That said, the quality of the caps is much higher and you get nice, thick caps that are the same level of quality as original Cherry caps.

If people are willing to forgo GMK quality and go SP and novelties, that is an option, but I'm keeping fingers crossed for GMK level of interest.

price is not that different after all, look at the sets that SP has, the advantage of sp over gmk is the moq and people that have only pokers or tkl size boards due to low moq they can save up a little. but if you take as whole a full proper ANSI set + tsangan price will be the same maybe SP will be 10% cheaper..... take for example Pulse key set and and add all the option to make it proper full ansi set + tsangan, you will see will hit close to $130-140, the only way it will drop a little if moq rises very high. So after all only people that don't need full sets and are typical ansi sets users are saving.

Wish GMK was as flexible as SP but they are not, maybe in future they will change up a bit.
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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #92 on: Sun, 14 September 2014, 17:10:08 »
What's with that yellow F-row? Make it rainbow. Show people here you're not joking.

This is the most accurate reply I've ever read on GeekHack.



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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #93 on: Sun, 14 September 2014, 19:00:32 »
What's with that yellow F-row? Make it rainbow. Show people here you're not joking.

Please make a separate rainbow number row to cater for 60% keyboard peeps   ;D

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« Reply #94 on: Mon, 15 September 2014, 11:45:55 »
What's with that yellow F-row? Make it rainbow. Show people here you're not joking.

Please make a separate rainbow number row to cater for 60% keyboard peeps   ;D

Or you could just run the f row instead of a number row
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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #95 on: Tue, 16 September 2014, 14:55:11 »
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I think this might be the ultimate manliness a keyboard could hope to achieve.

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« Reply #96 on: Tue, 16 September 2014, 15:00:27 »
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I think this might be the ultimate manliness a keyboard could hope to achieve.

Less rainbow, more unicorn.

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« Reply #97 on: Tue, 16 September 2014, 18:27:51 »
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I think this might be the ultimate manliness a keyboard could hope to achieve.


lol dude.... you know ur begging for $200 set right? this would be very expensive and too busy, I don't find it attractive at all, maybe is just me.
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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #98 on: Tue, 16 September 2014, 18:33:46 »
How're the numbers looking for this, Nubs?  Any hope at all for GMK or still can't tell?

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Re: [IC] The Manly Unicorn, a GMK set
« Reply #99 on: Tue, 16 September 2014, 20:21:28 »
How're the numbers looking for this, Nubs?  Any hope at all for GMK or still can't tell?

Right now we're looking at something like 35 or so.  I still need to get better mockups, add an ISO, and cross post this at DT.  I'll see what kind of numbers we can get. It's still a young IC, so we'll see.

And ICs don't always seem to hit the same numbers that the GB does.  I know the numbers were much higher with my UV GB than the IC for it.