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Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Thu, 21 February 2013, 17:05:26
Express your love for all things Topre here!

Note: It is fine if you like Cherry switches over Topre switches. But if all you intend to do is talk crap about Topre and/or argue with Topre fans, stay out of this thread!

I'll start: I ****ing love my Topre.

In all seriousness, though, I really do love my Topre. I've tried a bunch of Cherry MX based boards, such as the CM Storm ones, the Corsair ones, as well as a Filco (note, I haven't tried any of the Korean custom Cherry MX boards with the aluminum cases). But, I don't know. The moment I opened the Topre box, and touched the keys, I knew it was worth it. The build quality was immediately apparent, and I knew that it was worth it over any of the Cherry MX boards I've tried.

Not that I hate Cherry MX boards. I'm not bashing Cherry MX boards, but, I just think Topre boards are generally better (with the exception, my guess is, of the Korean custom Cherry boards with the aluminum cases).

People make a big deal out of the fact that it has rubber, but even if it has rubber, everything else about the board is just far superior to all aspects of any other keyboard that I've personally tried (again, I haven't tried the Korean custom Cherry boards with the aluminum cases). The switch quality is better, the switches are smoother, and more solid. Also, the entire board just feels really, really hefty, and literally feels like a plate I'm typing on.

I honestly have no problem thinking that these are two times as better, in terms of build quality, than any Filco board I've tried. Of course, I can't verify this, as there's no way to quantify "quality", but they are definitely better than Filco boards, in terms of build quality, for sure. And I think that's why these are worth it, despite the rubber domes. But of course, other people may feel differently about Topre build quality.

Yet, I don't know. I'm pretty happy with this keyboard.

What are your thoughts? Also, any people looking for suggestions and/or who have questions about Topre boards are welcome here!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jabar on Thu, 21 February 2013, 17:09:04
Topre feels so awesome. The HHKB is such a brilliant form factor and 45g springs are sublime. However import prices are unforgiving; I don't blame anyone who feels Topre (and especially gimmicks like HHKB Type-S) are massive ripoffs.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: ValerieV on Thu, 21 February 2013, 21:13:31
I was typing on a cheap membrane keyboard today at work and when i got home i washed my hands and worked some more on my HHKB. I got more work done in 1 hour with that keyboard than i did all day with the cheap membrane. I love it! I only wish the HHKB came with separate arrow keys but i have gotten used to it.  ;D
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 21 February 2013, 21:16:11
So all of you paid a ridiculous amount for a mediocre keyboard, and now you've come to lick your wounds with each other... :D

Appreciation?? More like "Topre refugee camp" :))


Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: eth0s on Thu, 21 February 2013, 21:23:55
So all of you paid a ridiculous amount for a mediocre keyboard, and now you've come to lick your wounds with each other... :D

Appreciation?? More like "Topre refugee camp" :))

WTF?  Troll much?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 21 February 2013, 21:24:47
It may be because I've only had my hands on 45g realforces (both 104 and 87Us), but I wish I loved them more.  The noise is awesome, but they're too light for my giant musclebound/slow fingers.

Full disclosure:  I am thinking about ordering a 55g from EK since they're on sale right now.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Thu, 21 February 2013, 22:27:55
Please stop quoting TP. It defeats having him on my ignore list.

Full disclosure:  I am thinking about ordering a 55g from EK since they're on sale right now.

For almost $100 less than what I bought mine for.... grrrrrrrrr
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 21 February 2013, 22:33:03
Please stop quoting TP. It defeats having him on my ignore list.

Full disclosure:  I am thinking about ordering a 55g from EK since they're on sale right now.

For almost $100 less than what I bought mine for.... grrrrrrrrr

The only thing that's kept my hand at bay is that I have two keyboards in house that I enjoy, and two more on the way that I know I'll enjoy, too. 

On the flip side, I can always turn one of the ones that end up not being used for a slight loss here.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Thu, 21 February 2013, 22:40:34
I approve of this thread.

in b4 haters.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 21 February 2013, 22:44:30
Censored for daerid

I approve of this thread.

in b4 haters.

Too late :P
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Thu, 21 February 2013, 22:45:01
TJ - Get a 55g. I promise you, that is the epitome of Topre switches.
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Halverson on Thu, 21 February 2013, 22:45:52
TJ - Get a 55g. I promise you, that is the epitome of Topre switches.

I dunno, after the meet up today, I think 30 are pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Thu, 21 February 2013, 22:47:29
TJ - Get a 55g. I promise you, that is the epitome of Topre switches.

I dunno, after the meet up today, I think 30 are pretty sweet.

But you have girly-shark hands.... :P
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 21 February 2013, 22:48:51
THERE WAS A MEETUP IN CANADIA?!?

I'm right there.  If I can get these dolch caps and oneproduct case sold, I'll do it.  Someone seems interested, so we'll see...

But I'm also wanting either a treble case (if he's taking more pre-orders) or a pure limited for the poker I just traded my ssk for.
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Halverson on Thu, 21 February 2013, 22:49:13
TJ - Get a 55g. I promise you, that is the epitome of Topre switches.

I dunno, after the meet up today, I think 30 are pretty sweet.

But you have girly-shark hands.... :P

It's weird! I prefer blacks to reds, or clear to browns or greens to blues. But think I may prefer lighter topre.

Chomp chomp, HHKB is sex
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 21 February 2013, 22:51:12
TJ - Get a 55g. I promise you, that is the epitome of Topre switches.

I dunno, after the meet up today, I think 30 are pretty sweet.

But you have girly-shark hands.... :P

It's weird! I prefer blacks to reds, or clear to browns or greens to blues. But think I may prefer lighter topre.

Chomp chomp, HHKB is sex

Those are on sale, too, but 45g is stupid light...

And yes, I do want to get to 2323 or 2332 posts tonight.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Thu, 21 February 2013, 23:02:35
55g FTFW.

If the HHKB came in 55g I'd buy like 3 of 'em, no joke.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Caaaarrrt on Thu, 21 February 2013, 23:07:07
I love my HHKB, it feels great and the layout is pretty awesome now that I'm used to it, after like day.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 21 February 2013, 23:08:24
There was a thread that had popped up about turning an hhkb silent or something and I'd misread the title and was all excited thinking someone had modded an hhkb to 55g.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Thu, 21 February 2013, 23:08:35
55g FTFW.

If the HHKB came in 55g I'd buy like 3 of 'em, no joke.

ekw808 did an HHKB Type-S 55g mod. I am thinking of doing the same if I can find a cheap enough donor board.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 21 February 2013, 23:12:25
55g FTFW.

If the HHKB came in 55g I'd buy like 3 of 'em, no joke.

ekw808 did an HHKB Type-S 55g mod. I am thinking of doing the same if I can find a cheap enough donor board.

That's what it was.  Eh, I don't want a silent hhkb, I like the thocks.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Thu, 21 February 2013, 23:13:57
ekw808 did an HHKB Type-S 55g mod. I am thinking of doing the same if I can find a cheap enough donor board.

Damn that's awesome. I'd love to try it out too, but good luck finding an inexpensive 55g. And I don't think I could stomach dropping $250 just to rip out the guts of a 55g 87u :(
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: thirdkind on Fri, 22 February 2013, 01:04:01
I'm really enjoying my new HHKB Type-S (yeah, I overpaid, so what :P). It has a nice tactile feel that I'm still getting accustomed to after using MX reds for so long. I really, really like the silenced switches. They're quiet, but very satisfying to listen to as my typing speed picks up. I'm definitely a fan.

I think I might like even lighter switches though. They feel stiffer than the reds despite the equal resistance rating. Maybe my girly fingers have been pampered by reds for too long and they need some time to adjust. I'd still like to get my hands on an all-30g Realforce and give that a try.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: khaangaaroo on Fri, 22 February 2013, 01:12:24
Owner of a custom 30g ANSI Realforce TKL Silent right here :) :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 22 February 2013, 01:25:34
Damn that's awesome. I'd love to try it out too, but good luck finding an inexpensive 55g. And I don't think I could stomach dropping $250 just to rip out the guts of a 55g 87u :(

Well, you could simply just put the HHKB rubbers back into the RF, and have a 45g RF and a 55g HHKB :P

So you aren't really throwing the money away
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: iri on Fri, 22 February 2013, 02:17:49
i like my realforce mostly because it's 45g. can't find another 45g rubber dome board which is not topre.

So all of you paid a ridiculous amount for a mediocre keyboard
topre keyboards are nice. and if their price is ridiculous for your wallet, stop whining and start making money  :p
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: laffindude on Fri, 22 February 2013, 03:16:08
I would buy another Realforce if it came in 30g uniform 87key Type-S.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: iri on Fri, 22 February 2013, 03:19:46
a 30g is definitely appealing
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: longweight on Fri, 22 February 2013, 03:25:27
Man I want a white slient 55g RF board but they don't seem to exist :(
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: guilleguillaume on Fri, 22 February 2013, 05:55:04
Am I the only one tired of reading tp4tissue bashing on Topre keyboards? It's exhausting, If I was him I would get bored of typing always the same.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: kaiserreich on Fri, 22 February 2013, 06:25:53
just ignore than guy.

Have a variable force RF and a 45g RF and a HHKB, gotta say I prefer the 45g better. But the HHKB is the king of this lot.
I don't know how you guys type with 30g, it is so light. Curious about 55g however.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: longweight on Fri, 22 February 2013, 06:40:05
I am bored of him being on this forum.
Title: Re: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: SmallFry on Fri, 22 February 2013, 07:59:55
I am bored of him being on this forum.
There is an ignore function on GeekHack. Under your profile, friends/ignore list or something similar if you'd like.
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: phetto on Fri, 22 February 2013, 08:20:06
If you all are bored there is a X in the top right corner..
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Fri, 22 February 2013, 14:43:46
I am bored of him being on this forum.
There is an ignore function on GeekHack. Under your profile, friends/ignore list or something similar if you'd like.

it's useless. it still shows he posted, but just hides the post and provides a link to show it.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Fri, 22 February 2013, 14:45:02
Well, you could simply just put the HHKB rubbers back into the RF, and have a 45g RF and a 55g HHKB :P

So you aren't really throwing the money away

Except I don't like the 45g RF (I sold mine to get another 55g).
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: LifeIsGooD2 on Fri, 22 February 2013, 14:47:12
when I said I was selling my realforce even though it was very nice he PMd me and asked about my real feelings on the matter lol




I didn't want to discuss this in your Topre thread as it may affect you selling it..


But seriously, what'd you think "over-rated" to the extreme yea?

So.... NOT $300 good....  :))


That was the reason I returned mine. I've since stuck with silicone dampened mx-blues.

Maybe $150 good tops...  :D











any way I changed my mind and officially am on the topre is the greatest bandwagon... not only a superior build quality and feel but there is so much less strain on my fingers from typing all day ... it truly is what a keyboard should be
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Fri, 22 February 2013, 14:51:24
when I said I was selling my realforce even though it was very nice he PMd me and asked about my real feelings on the matter lol

He's from New Jersey :shrug:

[...] there is so much less strain on my fingers from typing all day ... it truly is what a keyboard should be

This is the most important point for me. It's the only board that hasn't made my hands start aching after extended use.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lazerpointer on Fri, 22 February 2013, 15:30:41
wounds

I spent a portion of my tax return on it. Considering blowing the rest of it on that Silent HHKB :D

Sounds to me like your "wound" is still bleeding  :))
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: nar on Fri, 22 February 2013, 15:56:28
Remember there are lower quality topres out there than Realforces. I've seen OEM Topres go for as little as $75.

Actually I think in Japan they are clearing stock of old TKL versions, they are selling the old 91 TKLs for less than $150 in some places.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: laden3 on Fri, 22 February 2013, 15:58:25
Would prefer a Topre without the tactility (linear) ...
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: laden3 on Fri, 22 February 2013, 15:59:02
Remember there are lower quality topres out there than Realforces. I've seen OEM Topres go for as little as $75.

Actually I think in Japan they are clearing stock of old TKL versions, they are selling the old 91 TKLs for less than $150 in some places.

really? link pls
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: nar on Fri, 22 February 2013, 16:15:38
Here's one:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B000EQHU6M/r
TKL, Japanese 91 Key Layout, Lasered PBT Keycaps, 13,453 Yen (About $145 US)

You'll need a forwarding service like Tenso if your buying it from there though since Amazon doesn't ship electronics internationally.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Fri, 22 February 2013, 16:47:59
Here's one:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B000EQHU6M/r
TKL, Japanese 91 Key Layout, Lasered PBT Keycaps, 13,453 Yen (About $145 US)

You'll need a forwarding service like Tenso if your buying it from there though since Amazon doesn't ship electronics internationally.

I think that's proof that there is a reason why the typical Topre (not the one nar listed) costs $300.

Again, people make too much out of the fact that Topre has rubber, and cry foul, and say, "oh no! It's a rip-off!". But they go ahead and conveniently forget its amazing build quality.

Contrary to popular belief, there IS a reason why the (typical) Topre (not the one nar listed) costs $300. It's its build quality, and the quality of the switches and keycaps. Or, so I think.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jabar on Fri, 22 February 2013, 17:04:31
The first $150 ish dollars is build quality. The rest of the cost comes from artificial scarcity and lack of competition.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: nar on Fri, 22 February 2013, 17:16:41
Well I think one of the main reasons why Topre is so expensive is unlike pretty much every other keyboard, its made in Japan. That adds a ton to the cost. Whether having something made in Japan as opposed to Taiwan is worth it (For example the minimum wage in Japan I believe is more than double that of Taiwan) is another matter.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 22 February 2013, 20:47:10
Considering what I've spent on KDM boards, price isn't really a problem anymore. 

The reason why I've had the page up to add one to a cart from EK for three days now is I'm worried that I'll either:

1.  Like it so much that the mx-mini and lz-gh that I've spent big bucks on will go dusty from disuse (or at least one of them will as I have two PCs I use and only getting one topre...) OR

2. Hate it and then not be able to resell it
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: keymaster on Fri, 22 February 2013, 21:19:39
After reading this thread, Topre really sounds like the old IBM rubber dome keyboard I use at work. It's surprisingly high quality and has that soft thock everyone keeps talking about.
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 22 February 2013, 21:25:04
Considering what I've spent on KDM boards, price isn't really a problem anymore. 

The reason why I've had the page up to add one to a cart from EK for three days now is I'm worried that I'll either:

1.  Like it so much that the mx-mini and lz-gh that I've spent big bucks on will go dusty from disuse (or at least one of them will as I have two PCs I use and only getting one topre...) OR

2. Hate it and then not be able to resell it

Right, price isn't a factor for me, either. The price of a Topre is inflated compared to a Filco, etc., because they are "Japanese luxury" boards, plain and simple. Is an Infiniti better than a Nissan? Is a Lexus better than a Toyota? I don't personally know the answers to those questions. There are a lot of variables.

You might find you love Topre switches. You won't hate them. You might feel "meh" about them. I felt that they were are very high quality, extremely smooth feeling rubber dome (cup, whatever). I liked them okay, I just preferred my MX boards, and the Topres got little to no use after the first couple weeks. I ended up selling them, but reluctantly.

I didn't love the Topre like some people do, but I didn't hate it, either.

I did love the THOCK, however. :D
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 22 February 2013, 21:39:22
THHOCCKKKK
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: iri on Sat, 23 February 2013, 04:46:36
The first $150 ish dollars is build quality. The rest of the cost comes from artificial scarcity and lack of competition.
agreed.

and build quality of realforce boards is good, but certainly not impressive bearing in mind their price.

and i ****en like the thock. can't understand why people pay even more price overhead for silenced boards.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sat, 23 February 2013, 06:27:18
I don't know... If the first $150 of a Topre Realforce is for build quality (and I think we can all agree this is complete conjecture), how much would you think goes towards build quality for Filcos? It certainly isn't $150.

I don't know about the HHKB Pro, but the Realforce has much, much better build quality, than any Filco, or CM Storm keyboard I've tried. And, for me, personally, I have no problem paying the amount that I paid for the Topre, given its build, switch, and key quality; any amount of rubber be damned.

If Filcos go for $100-140, then, yea, I have absolutely no problem paying $300 for a Realforce.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: thirdkind on Sat, 23 February 2013, 11:46:08
I'm still getting used to my HHKB Type-S. Compared to my Filco Linear R, the key action on the HHKB is definitely smoother, and the PBT keys have a more solid feel. Even though the HHKB is pretty much only plastic and rubber that's noticeably lighter than the Filco, it's high-quality plastic and rubber. I can't say one is better than the other. I've never used a Realforce, so I can't draw any comparisons to that.

I'm not going to say the HHKB Type-S is worth $400, because it's not, frankly. But at this price, it's not a question of whether it's worth it. It's only whether you mind spending the money or not in order to get something you like. Most people outside this forum would laugh at spending $100 for a keyboard, so even Filcos are already considered a boutique product by the masses.

Now if only I could find an appropriately sized wrist rest in white leather ;) My Elite Keyboards wrist rest, which is made to fit tenkeyless keyboards, dwarfs the keyboard itself.

and i ****en like the thock. can't understand why people pay even more price overhead for silenced boards.

The Type-S has a very satisfying sound. It's certainly not silent, it just doesn't have that plasticky clack on the upstroke. This was the video that sealed the deal for me (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBDXtLh_7Y0), and I think the Type-S has a better sound in person than the video conveys. The sound of the spacebar on the non-silent version probably would've driven me crazy within 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Saturn on Sun, 24 February 2013, 00:11:52
I don't know about the HHKB Pro, but the Realforce has much, much better build quality, than any Filco, or CM Storm keyboard I've tried.

Really?

I'm not asking this to troll, but I am legitimately curious, since I have never owned a Topre.  What about the build of a Realforce is much better in quailty than that of the Filco?  Surely you are speaking only of the keycaps.  Or is there something else?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jabar on Sun, 24 February 2013, 00:31:05
I'm not asking this to troll, but I am legitimately curious, since I have never owned a Topre.  What about the build of a Realforce is much better in quailty than that of the Filco?  Surely you are speaking only of the keycaps.  Or is there something else?
I think the build quality is overestimated. It's good like Filco - my HHKB is sturdy even though its plate isn't metal - but even then there are outstanding issues that some here seem to readily dismiss: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39248.0

The PBT keycaps have an excellent matte finish. I would say the current Ducky PBTs and the Leopold PBTs on the FC700Rs are on par with Topre.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Sun, 24 February 2013, 00:31:24
I personally wouldn't say the build quality is much better than a Filco (except for the caps... PBT > ABS any day of the week). I've owned numerous Filcos, and 3 RFs, and I'd say they're pretty much on par as far as build quality goes.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Sun, 24 February 2013, 00:34:42
I personally wouldn't say the build quality is much better than a Filco (except for the caps... PBT > ABS any day of the week). I've owned numerous Filcos, and 3 RFs, and I'd say they're pretty much on par as far as build quality goes.

I don't have my micrometer with me, but it looks like the RF case is a bit thicker than the Filco. Acoustically, it sounds that way as well. It just feels more solid.
I also like the natural angle of the RF as opposed to the legs on the Filco, but that's just a personal preference.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: akuJIWA on Sun, 24 February 2013, 00:45:19
55g is where it is.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Sun, 24 February 2013, 00:49:45
55g is where it is.

Si.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lazerpointer on Sun, 24 February 2013, 01:29:12
As my keyboard collection grows, the more I'm in love with the 87u. Plus I got a clack to put on it, so of course I feel obligated to type on it haha.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sun, 24 February 2013, 02:30:35
Well, I've never opened either Realforce or Filco keyboards, but I still personally think Realforces are better built than Filcos.

They are definitely heavier, and whenever I type on them, I just get this super sturdy, solid feeling. Everything from the switches and the body itself seem more tightly put together. 

Also, build quality includes things like switch quality, which are much better in Realforces than the Cherrry switches in Filcos. They are much more smooth, with a lot less wobble. I think they feel more solid, as well.

This is a video, I think, that highlight the differences pretty well:


Before he types on each keyboard, he swipes his fingers across all the keys, to show the differences in key wobble. I don't know if it's readily apparent in the video, but you can kind of tell the Filco's switches are a little more loose, and have a little more wobble.

And when he types, notice how they sound differently. The Filco sounds a little more hollow, probably because there is less in the body, vs. the Topre, which has a deeper sound, probably because it's heavier. Also, the Topre switches seem much more smooth, and more solid.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Saturn on Sun, 24 February 2013, 07:02:51
Before he types on each keyboard, he swipes his fingers across all the keys, to show the differences in key wobble. I don't know if it's readily apparent in the video, but you can kind of tell the Filco's switches are a little more loose, and have a little more wobble.

And when he types, notice how they sound differently. The Filco sounds a little more hollow, probably because there is less in the body, vs. the Topre, which has a deeper sound, probably because it's heavier. Also, the Topre switches seem much more smooth, and more solid.

Most of the issues you mention are related to switch design, though, rather than keyboard quality.  One might be tempted to consider the two equivalent in the case of Topre since there are so few Topre keyboards that make it to the US, but that would be an unfair comparison.  If you were to say that the Topre switch is superior in quality in comparison with a Cherry MX switch, then there might be an argument to be made, but that's a very different issue from a Realforce keyboard having a higher build quality than a Filco.

As far as the "less hollow" sound, some of the sound in a Topre is probably being absorbed by the presence of the rubber cup.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sun, 24 February 2013, 08:41:49
I'd say switch design is a part of overall keyboard quality. Switches are, after all, a part of the keyboard.

I disagree with the notion that it's the rubber cups creating the less hollow sound.
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Acetrak on Sun, 24 February 2013, 10:33:48
I disagree with the notion that it's the rubber cups creating the less hollow sound.
What do you think is creating the sound if it's not the rubber?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sun, 24 February 2013, 10:55:35
I disagree with the notion that it's the rubber cups creating the less hollow sound.
What do you think is creating the sound if it's not the rubber?

Well, there certainly is a "muted" sound, and that's the rubber.

But I was specifically referring to a less hollow, deeper sound with the Topre, which I think is caused either by more components being in the keyboard, the keyboard having thicker components, and/or the keyboard being more tightly put together.

I mean, we've all played musical instruments in grade school before, right? Or played with the rims of glasses with wet fingers? If you fill the glass with more water, you're going to have a deeper sound. It's just indicative of more "being there" inside a Topre, or the Topre being more tightly and/or sturdily built.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jabar on Sun, 24 February 2013, 11:15:11
The Topre switches on their own are much more stable than Cherry MX. I can't say that the build quality is necessarily much higher on Topre boards over Filcos... plastic can only improve so much.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Mainian on Sun, 24 February 2013, 11:19:09
And... Geekhack has turned into Torpehack.

And you guys are making me want to buy one.

Now to decide...

Realforce 45g vs 55g or HHKB Pro 2
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sun, 24 February 2013, 11:24:50
Actually, yea, plastic can. See: ABS vs. PBT.

And the way plastics are put together and assembled can vary widely, and can be indicative of overall quality of the product's manufacturing process.

Also, you're comparing an HHKB to a Filco. I've never used an HHKB so I can't comment on that.

Regardless, it seems a lot of people vary on this issue. Again, I just implore people to see and decide for themselves, right here in this video:

Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jabar on Sun, 24 February 2013, 11:31:48
Realforce 45g vs 55g or HHKB Pro 2
The only reason you'd want an HHKB is if the small profile and portability is something you need. That and there is a small learning curve before the Fn shortcuts become integrated into muscle memory.

Don't bother with Type-S. It's a $100 gimmick. Topres are already silent compared to every MX switch I've tried.

Actually, yea, plastic can. See: ABS vs. PBT.

And the way plastics are put together and assembled can vary widely, and can be indicative of overall quality of the product's manufacturing process.

Also, you're comparing an HHKB to a Filco. I've never used an HHKB so I can't comment on that.
HHKB has excellent build quality. All its features cater to portability (i.e. the plate is plastic and the overall keyboard is light) and I don't see them as drawbacks.

As I posted previously in this thread, there are documented issues with some Realforce keyboards which happens to every manufacturer. It seems build quality is on par (and yeah sure it uses PBT for the case, others do as well). The PBT keycaps and switches are where the advantage is.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sun, 24 February 2013, 11:37:21
I don't know... I think people should check out the video and decide for themselves.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: thirdkind on Sun, 24 February 2013, 11:47:03
Don't bother with Type-S. It's a $100 gimmick. Topres are already silent compared to every MX switch I've tried.

I won't argue that's it's worth $100, but it's not a gimmick. There's a marked difference in the sound between the standard and Type-S versions. See the video I posted earlier.

Filcos are very chatty :) "Quieter" doesn't mean "quiet".
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Mainian on Sun, 24 February 2013, 12:14:01
Don't bother with Type-S. It's a $100 gimmick. Topres are already silent compared to every MX switch I've tried.

I won't argue that's it's worth $100, but it's not a gimmick. There's a marked difference in the sound between the standard and Type-S versions. See the video I posted earlier.

Filcos are very chatty :) "Quieter" doesn't mean "quiet".

Yeah, it isn't a $100 modification though. {

I'm not sure which way to go though.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Sun, 24 February 2013, 12:14:43
I just don't know why somebody would want a silenced Topre. They're already much quieter than most standard rubber dome boards. And I mean... come on.. GOTTA HAVE THAT THOCK

*edit* OPPS. I meant Topre, not Filco
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jabar on Sun, 24 February 2013, 12:33:45
I won't argue that's it's worth $100, but it's not a gimmick. There's a marked difference in the sound between the standard and Type-S versions. See the video I posted earlier.
Yeah, it isn't a $100 modification though.
The fact that it somehow is a $100 price difference (even more for HHKB Type-S) makes it a gimmick.

Anyway, I would steer fellow new Topre users away from Type-S variants. I myself am curious about 55g weighting or the 10 AE 30g weighting. 45g on this HHKB is fine but not sure if there's a better suited weighting for me.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Sun, 24 February 2013, 12:57:23
I disagree with the notion that it's the rubber cups creating the less hollow sound.
What do you think is creating the sound if it's not the rubber?

I speculated on thicker plastic, which is true now that I have both cases apart. It's also construction components. How the plastic is molded for acoustics and stability. The thickness of the plastic definitely creates a more solid feeling. It's definitely a combination of case and switch that give it the overall feel that many admire. I am not downplaying Filcos at all, but I definitely feel the RF boards are a lot more 'solid'.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: thirdkind on Sun, 24 February 2013, 13:31:29
The fact that it somehow is a $100 price difference (even more for HHKB Type-S) makes it a gimmick.

I don't see how price enters into it. The effect is real. Its value to you personally doesn't change its effectiveness. I agree it's probably not $100 worth of components and labor, though. The price is definitely inflated.

I love the sound myself. I'd make the same choice again if I had the opportunity to do it over.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Sun, 24 February 2013, 14:40:08
I know I've been talking about it for a while, but I'm close.  I've picked out fancy colored caps, now I'm just deciding on if I want to just go 55g or take another risk on 45g and get an HHKB instead....

Bro capefaceman, any chance for topre bro caps?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Sun, 24 February 2013, 15:29:15
I know I've been talking about it for a while, but I'm close.  I've picked out fancy colored caps, now I'm just deciding on if I want to just go 55g or take another risk on 45g and get an HHKB instead....

Bro capefaceman, any chance for topre bro caps?

For real yo,,,,topre brocap!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Sun, 24 February 2013, 15:40:22
I know I've been talking about it for a while, but I'm close.  I've picked out fancy colored caps, now I'm just deciding on if I want to just go 55g or take another risk on 45g and get an HHKB instead....

Bro capefaceman, any chance for topre bro caps?

Definitely go with 55g if you type heavy. At least for me, personally, it's the primo topre switch.

As for topre bro caps, not the current design. Future designs, yes :)
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Acetrak on Sun, 24 February 2013, 15:44:13
I disagree with the notion that it's the rubber cups creating the less hollow sound.
What do you think is creating the sound if it's not the rubber?

I speculated on thicker plastic, which is true now that I have both cases apart. It's also construction components. How the plastic is molded for acoustics and stability. The thickness of the plastic definitely creates a more solid feeling. It's definitely a combination of case and switch that give it the overall feel that many admire. I am not downplaying Filcos at all, but I definitely feel the RF boards are a lot more 'solid'.
Ah gotcha, if I had to guess it would've been because of the switch composition. And since topre boards' switches are "more integrated" than Cherry MX it makes sense that certain boards feel more solid. It sounds like what I was thinking falls in line with RF experiences.

@tj: mistakemistake has a topre BroBot :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Mainian on Sun, 24 February 2013, 16:10:26
Probably the thread to ask...

HHKB white vs black.

How is it? Do the white keys / board yellow quickly?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: sth on Sun, 24 February 2013, 16:31:04
After reading this thread, Topre really sounds like the old IBM rubber dome keyboard I use at work. It's surprisingly high quality and has that soft thock everyone keeps talking about.
there is at least one capacitive rubber dome ibm out there that feels very similar to topre; i've tried one before and would love to get my hands on one for myself...
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Sun, 24 February 2013, 16:37:10
I know I've been talking about it for a while, but I'm close.  I've picked out fancy colored caps, now I'm just deciding on if I want to just go 55g or take another risk on 45g and get an HHKB instead....

Bro capefaceman, any chance for topre bro caps?

Definitely go with 55g if you type heavy. At least for me, personally, it's the primo topre switch.

As for topre bro caps, not the current design. Future designs, yes :)

YEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:08:19
Which weight is closest to that of a mx blue? I am going to order a realforce today and I don't know if should get 45, 55 or various. What would you guys suggest if I love the weight of blues?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:10:02
Which weight is closest to that of a mx blue? I am going to order a realforce today and I don't know if should get 45, 55 or various. What would you guys suggest if I love the weight of blues?

MX Blues are pretty light, same as MX Red and MX Brown (actuation force). If you prefer light force, you should go with a variable weight topre board.
Title: Re: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:46:18
Which weight is closest to that of a mx blue? I am going to order a realforce today and I don't know if should get 45, 55 or various. What would you guys suggest if I love the weight of blues?
Uniform 45g for sure.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jabar on Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:49:27
Probably the thread to ask...

HHKB white vs black.

How is it? Do the white keys / board yellow quickly?
I wish the HHKB I have is printed white keycaps. Black on dark grey is cool, but so difficult to see in the dark. Not sure on the longevity of the keycaps, but rest assured PBT will take a lot of abuse before showing wear.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Mon, 25 February 2013, 11:55:42
Not sure on the longevity of the keycaps, but rest assured PBT will take a lot of abuse before showing wear.

o2dazone has been hacking away on his white hhkb for almost 5 years I think, and they are just barely showing a tiny bit of shine here and there. But this is his main driver that he works on. So it's constantly taking a beating.
Title: Re: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: iri on Mon, 25 February 2013, 12:04:47
Which weight is closest to that of a mx blue? I am going to order a realforce today and I don't know if should get 45, 55 or various. What would you guys suggest if I love the weight of blues?
Uniform 45g for sure.
true that
Title: Re: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Mon, 25 February 2013, 13:49:47
Which weight is closest to that of a mx blue? I am going to order a realforce today and I don't know if should get 45, 55 or various. What would you guys suggest if I love the weight of blues?
Uniform 45g for sure.
true that

I just ordered the 45g board in black. Can't wait to try it out.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Grim Fandango on Mon, 25 February 2013, 17:01:31
This topic needs more pics

I have to say I have always been interested in Topre keyboards. Mainly because they are so freaking expensive which makes you wonder what they feel like. Maybe some day.
Title: Re: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Mon, 25 February 2013, 17:07:00
I just ordered the 45g board in black. Can't wait to try it out.

Awesome! Keep us updated :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: thirdkind on Mon, 25 February 2013, 21:09:17
This topic needs more pics

I posted this in my own review topic last week, but here it is again. NES color scheme!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lazerpointer on Mon, 25 February 2013, 21:17:04
For pics (well, ideally that is :D);

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40658.msg808201#msg808201
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 27 February 2013, 00:22:39
I've got an 87u in my cart along with some other stuff, but I can't pull the trigger for some reason.  I don't know if it's my being-built LZ-GH, the new kmac happy or what, but there's just something stopping me from just giving EK my money for that 55g weighted boob squishes...
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Wed, 27 February 2013, 00:49:44
I've got an 87u in my cart along with some other stuff, but I can't pull the trigger for some reason.  I don't know if it's my being-built LZ-GH, the new kmac happy or what, but there's just something stopping me from just giving EK my money for that 55g weighted boob squishes...

You can't go wrong for $250 man. I was strongly considering a second one.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: iri on Wed, 27 February 2013, 04:55:33
I've got an 87u in my cart along with some other stuff, but I can't pull the trigger for some reason.  I don't know if it's my being-built LZ-GH, the new kmac happy or what, but there's just something stopping me from just giving EK my money for that 55g weighted boob squishes...
that's because you want 45g!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 27 February 2013, 10:43:00
I've got an 87u in my cart along with some other stuff, but I can't pull the trigger for some reason.  I don't know if it's my being-built LZ-GH, the new kmac happy or what, but there's just something stopping me from just giving EK my money for that 55g weighted boob squishes...
that's because you want 45g!

Had one, too light.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Wed, 27 February 2013, 10:48:50
Had one, too light.

*Manly-hand high-five!*
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 27 February 2013, 10:49:55
Had one, too light.

*Manly-hand high-five!*

*is careful not to destroy community with chucknorrisesque shockwave*
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jksteger on Wed, 27 February 2013, 15:39:06
I ordered a white key 87U board and it should arrive on Friday.  I loved my black 104 board but I work in low light and there was not any contrast on the keys for the odd keys that I don't use that much and it was driving me crazy so I sold that keyboard.  In the meantime I got a HHKB Lite (original, ps/2) that does not have the arrow keys.  Layout is just like a HHKB pro.  And I'm loving the small form factor and now I wonder if I should have purchased the HHKB pro2 instead of the RealForce 87U from elitekeyboards.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Thu, 28 February 2013, 15:43:25
I got the 87U 45g board in the mail today and I love it so far. It's a really nice typing experience, and I also like the sound it makes when I type. Might be selling my Phantom for a HHK if I continue to enjoy typing on it this much. Also, it's built like it was meant for use in a war zone.  :eek:
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Thu, 28 February 2013, 17:45:42
You will only love Topre more and more as you type on it.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Thu, 28 February 2013, 18:59:18
You will only love Topre more and more as you type on it.

ENJOY YOUR ONENESS WITH CUP RUBBER
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: HolidaySHRIMP on Thu, 28 February 2013, 21:09:09
Sup bros. Love Topre on HHKB and keychain. Love HHKB form factor and portability.

(http://i.imgur.com/Mr0tb.jpg)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: iri on Thu, 28 February 2013, 23:14:16
Also, it's built like it was meant for use in a war zone.  :eek:
seriously? have you ever seen an ibm model m?

You will only love Topre more and more as you type on it.
not necessarily. it seems i like mine less and less. maybe once i end up selling the board. just like jdcarpe. or some other forum members.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Thu, 28 February 2013, 23:48:53
Also, it's built like it was meant for use in a war zone.  :o
seriously? have you ever seen an ibm model m?

You will only love Topre more and more as you type on it.
not necessarily. it seems i like mine less and less. maybe once i end up selling the board. just like jdcarpe. of some other forum members.

I think you need to create a new thread, and name it "We hate topre"...
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: iri on Fri, 01 March 2013, 00:15:41
which is not necessary as i don't hate topre.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: MJ45 on Fri, 01 March 2013, 13:46:29
I'm new to GEEKHACK but not keyboards I've been using computers since Apple ][ and many  others from 80's to the present. Old computers came with pretty nice boards that outlasted the computers. Modern computers come with very cheap ones, thats why I got back to good mechanicals. I have four Cherry MX boards, I like reds for typeing and black for gaming. I had always liked the HHKB but was put off buy the price and layout and almost being rubber domes. I heard mostly good things about Topre switches and I bought a HHKB Pro 2. It took a little while to get used to the layout but after month of use I love this keyboard. Its a real pleasure to type on and I still like and use my Cherry boards but this HHKB is my favorite.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: mechanisch on Fri, 01 March 2013, 14:36:09
I always keep an eye out for a good deal on a used HHKB.  I'd love to try out a topre board someday, but those things sure do go fast and usually beyond my budget :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: orlando on Fri, 01 March 2013, 14:55:26
My HHKB pro 2 has arrived and I can officially state ... I am a topre fan! I really enjoy typing on this keyboard and the layout is just fantastic.
(http://i.imgur.com/vWxNjb2.jpg)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Fri, 01 March 2013, 23:58:04
Personally, I think the HHKB is particularly well suited for the Mac, but that's probably just because Mac OS has Unix underpinnings.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Sat, 02 March 2013, 00:00:07
Personally, I think the HHKB is particularly well suited for the Mac, but that's probably just because Mac OS has Unix underpinnings.

^ this.

Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Cafeine on Sat, 02 March 2013, 00:48:54
Personally, I think the HHKB is particularly well suited for the Mac, but that's probably just because Mac OS has Unix underpinnings.


Agreed.  :)


And that's why I will get one ASAP. I'm in love with my Realforce but it will move to the PC, the filco will get... another owner maybe, dunno yet. ;)


But I think I will get the ISO Jap Blank version (in black). Love my ph4T ASS enter key (http://i.imgur.com/YiryOUi.jpg). :p Anyone using this around ? I really hit my space bar in the middle all the time so I should be OK but some tips / ideas about how to use of the jap. keys would be nice. ;)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Mugen on Sat, 02 March 2013, 01:07:29
Damn you guys, all this talk about Topre is making me want to buy one!
MUST.... RESIST!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Sat, 02 March 2013, 01:17:00
Damn you guys, all this talk about Topre is making me want to buy one!
MUST.... RESIST!

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lka9rhi8aT1qadbq2o1_400.gif)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jksteger on Mon, 04 March 2013, 17:14:17
I just got my RealForce 87u in and I'm already thinking of selling it.  I keep looking at my HHKB Lite (first version w/o the arrow keys) and I'm still drawn to it.  There is no comparison between the switches, Topre vs generic rubber dome.  However, I keep wanting to type on the HHKB instead because of the layout.  Maybe I got too used to it in the time it took for me to actually get a RealForce 87u.

Time will tell but I'm thinking of selling it and ordering a HHKB pro2.

Jeremy
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: ValerieV on Mon, 04 March 2013, 17:32:39
I had the Realforce and i didn't like it anywhere near as much as i love my HHKB2.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Mon, 04 March 2013, 17:47:35
Time will tell but I'm thinking of selling it and ordering a HHKB pro2.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lka9rhi8aT1qadbq2o1_400.gif)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jksteger on Tue, 05 March 2013, 13:09:13
Thanks daerid,
I think i will just "DO IT"!

Just sucks to think I will probably not get anywhere near what I paid for it at EliteKeyboards.  But why keep something if what I really want is the HHKB!

Jeremy
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lazerpointer on Tue, 05 March 2013, 13:10:37
I see boards go all the time for about a 30-50 dollar mark-down.

Not a terrible sacrifice, for keyboard experimentation!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jksteger on Wed, 06 March 2013, 09:21:10
Thanks for that new Flip  I'm new here and I could not seem to list in the classifieds so I had to resort to the you know who auction site!  I would love for a geekhacker to receive this keyboard.  Maybe I can figure out how to sell in the classifieds here as I have many keyboards that I have purchased to "try out" for a while and then they end up off my desk.  I would love to let other geekhackers get them at a deal.  When i buy the HHKB I'm going to try and buy here first!

Love this place!

Jeremy
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 06 March 2013, 09:24:33
Thanks for that new Flip  I'm new here and I could not seem to list in the classifieds so I had to resort to the you know who auction site!  I would love for a geekhacker to receive this keyboard.  Maybe I can figure out how to sell in the classifieds here as I have many keyboards that I have purchased to "try out" for a while and then they end up off my desk.  I would love to let other geekhackers get them at a deal.  When i buy the HHKB I'm going to try and buy here first!

Love this place!

Jeremy

Just post in threads you are interested in. If you make only 5 posts per day, in just 12 days you will have 60, enough to post a new thread in the classifieds.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jksteger on Wed, 06 March 2013, 11:46:58
Just post in threads you are interested in. If you make only 5 posts per day, in just 12 days you will have 60, enough to post a new thread in the classifieds.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jwaz on Wed, 06 March 2013, 12:20:21
If anyone wants a variable board, this was just reposted:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Realforce-Topre-87U-Tenkeyless-White-/181096148747?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item2a2a2bef0b
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jksteger on Wed, 06 March 2013, 12:49:31
If anyone wants a variable board, this was just reposted:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Realforce-Topre-87U-Tenkeyless-White-/181096148747?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item2a2a2bef0b

That's mine that I am selling.  I didn't know if i could post links to my auctions or not in here!

Jeremy
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: ValerieV on Wed, 06 March 2013, 12:52:15
You know ebay takes 9% of the sale and then paypal takes a percentage so you probably are better off listing it on this site under classifieds. Keep more of your money!  :D
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 06 March 2013, 12:56:29
You know ebay takes 9% of the sale and then paypal takes a percentage so you probably are better off listing it on this site under classifieds. Keep more of your money!  :D

He doesn't have enough posts to create a new thread in the Classifieds. Maybe someone reading this thread will want it, and send him a PM. :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: eth0s on Wed, 06 March 2013, 13:22:55
This topic needs more pics

Okay, here you go:

(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o580/eth0sz/87U45Gwhiteamppink2.jpg)

(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o580/eth0sz/87U45Gwhiteamppink.jpg)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: noons on Wed, 06 March 2013, 13:38:17
Thanks for that new Flip  I'm new here and I could not seem to list in the classifieds so I had to resort to the you know who auction site!  I would love for a geekhacker to receive this keyboard.  Maybe I can figure out how to sell in the classifieds here as I have many keyboards that I have purchased to "try out" for a while and then they end up off my desk.  I would love to let other geekhackers get them at a deal.  When i buy the HHKB I'm going to try and buy here first!

Love this place!

Jeremy

Just post in threads you are interested in. If you make only 5 posts per day, in just 12 days you will have 60, enough to post a new thread in the classifieds.

So much work... ;)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jksteger on Wed, 06 March 2013, 14:11:32
The issue I sometimes have is,  unless I have something useful to say in a thread then I don't really post but I will make an exception  :D

J.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Mainian on Wed, 06 March 2013, 16:16:36
Happy Hacking Keyboard came into today :D.

First question, how do I control-alt-delete with the delete key functioning as a backspace...
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: sth on Wed, 06 March 2013, 16:33:56
Happy Hacking Keyboard came into today :D.

First question, how do I control-alt-delete with the delete key functioning as a backspace...
fn - backtick (upper right key) is del
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Mainian on Wed, 06 March 2013, 16:42:10
Happy Hacking Keyboard came into today :D.

First question, how do I control-alt-delete with the delete key functioning as a backspace...
fn - backtick (upper right key) is del

Beautiful, thank you.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 06 March 2013, 16:51:27
I'm excited, my rf comes tomorrow!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: noons on Wed, 06 March 2013, 19:30:21
Happy Hacking Keyboard came into today :D.

First question, how do I control-alt-delete with the delete key functioning as a backspace...

How do you like it? I said to myself I would never spend that much on a keyboard a few years ago.. Now I got the urge..
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: DavinDidIt on Wed, 06 March 2013, 19:39:21
Personally, I'm loving mine!  There is no Cherry switch like it, and I've tried em all :P

I want to get another HHKB for work, so I can get used to the layout.  Now to find a red esc and lavender WASD cluster :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Mainian on Thu, 07 March 2013, 14:00:12
Happy Hacking Keyboard came into today :D.

First question, how do I control-alt-delete with the delete key functioning as a backspace...

How do you like it? I said to myself I would never spend that much on a keyboard a few years ago.. Now I got the urge..

To be honest, I don't find it as satisfying to type on like I thought I would. I had been using a poker. I tried to switch the control to the caps lock just to get the feel for how the HHKB is, and I couldn't get used it. I did make the switch easily.

I do love parts of the layout. I tried playing WOW with the board yesterday, and I found myself having a hard time distinguishing between shift and control key bindings. But with concentration, it wasn't too bad.

I'll be honest, I wasn't as happy as I thought I would be off the bat with the switches. That don't feel as comfortable as I thought they would. (My poker has blacks, and I'd been using that for about a week since I fixed it, so the force doesn't bother me). I'll give it some time, I think I would use it as my main board even after I give it the week or two to break into the layout / keys. Although, I don't find the topre switches as loveable as other people do.

I guess I really do prefer linear switches more.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dreamingftw on Thu, 07 March 2013, 14:09:18
I didn't like my Realforce at first when I got it either. I felt a bit ripped off, but after using it for a few weeks, it became my daily driver at home. I enjoy typing on it and you can tell that Topre switches feel a lot sturdier than MX, not to say I don't love all of my MX switches.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Mainian on Thu, 07 March 2013, 14:12:35
I didn't like my Realforce at first when I got it either. I felt a bit ripped off, but after using it for a few weeks, it became my daily driver at home. I enjoy typing on it and you can tell that Topre switches feel a lot sturdier than MX, not to say I don't love all of my MX switches.

They do feel sturdier. I just think I like the feel of linear better.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Thu, 07 March 2013, 14:47:12
I rock WoW on my HHKB all the time. Love it.
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Halverson on Thu, 07 March 2013, 15:03:56
I rock WoW on my HHKB all the time. Love it.

Did that yesterday and maybe again today! I don't use any weird key bindings, so HHKB is perfect.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: chel- on Thu, 07 March 2013, 15:19:01
I rock WoW on my HHKB all the time. Love it.

Did that yesterday and maybe again today! I don't use any weird key bindings, so HHKB is perfect.

When I previously owned a HHKB I played wow a lot using it. IMO the only possible issues were with the F keys. Usually you don't need all that many key bindings anyways unless you are doing arena.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 07 March 2013, 15:26:43
I got my 55g today, will use it a little later as I also got a custom poker, too.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Thu, 07 March 2013, 15:28:08
I got my 55g today, will use it a little later as I also got a custom poker, too.


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Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: orlando on Thu, 07 March 2013, 15:32:46
I use mine for WoW as well without any issues. I do however use a naga for all my abilities, 1-12 and shift+1-12 will usually cover most classes. Have some stuff bound to my hhkb but not much.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Mainian on Thu, 07 March 2013, 15:53:25
I use mine for WoW as well without any issues. I do however use a naga for all my abilities, 1-12 and shift+1-12 will usually cover most classes. Have some stuff bound to my hhkb but not much.

Naga is horribly painful to hit the back row for me. Even then, I still wouldn't use it. I use strafe on my mouse for the most part.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Thu, 07 March 2013, 15:59:34
I got my 55g today, will use it a little later as I also got a custom poker, too.

Going straight from my modded blue poker (with plate) to this, I have to definitely say...I've typed on worse.  The sound is as nifty as my roommate's variable (if not a little less loud than his, but he types harder than I do), and the feel is alright.  I think I'll like this a lot more than the 45g I tried a few months ago, but we'll see how it goes in the long term.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Sun, 10 March 2013, 10:02:24
I have a question about the dip switches on the back of the keyboard. I am trying to use the first switch to swap ctrl and caps lock, but flipping the switch doesn't seem to have any effect. Am I missing some very obvious problem that's making this not work?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: noons on Sun, 10 March 2013, 10:12:56
Well I broke down and already have huge buyers remorse. Ended up buying a HKKB pro2 lastnight... Will see how I like it, I just cant get over how much I just spent.. I told myself if I do love it I would sell my leopold and I already had plans to sell my filco to help relieve some of the cost.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Sun, 10 March 2013, 10:15:02
Well I broke down and already have huge buyers remorse. Ended up buying a HKKB pro2 lastnight... Will see how I like it, I just cant get over how much I just spent.. I told myself if I do love it I would sell my leopold and I already had plans to sell my filco to help relieve some of the cost.

There's no crying in baseball...err keyboards.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: noons on Sun, 10 March 2013, 10:18:26
Well I broke down and already have huge buyers remorse. Ended up buying a HKKB pro2 lastnight... Will see how I like it, I just cant get over how much I just spent.. I told myself if I do love it I would sell my leopold and I already had plans to sell my filco to help relieve some of the cost.

There's no crying in baseball...err keyboards.

haha ^5
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Sun, 10 March 2013, 11:39:51
I have a question about the dip switches on the back of the keyboard. I am trying to use the first switch to swap ctrl and caps lock, but flipping the switch doesn't seem to have any effect. Am I missing some very obvious problem that's making this not work?

You either have to change the switch when the board is unplugged, or unplug and replug it in after changing it. It's not a live update kinda thing.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Mon, 11 March 2013, 02:53:50
I have a question about the dip switches on the back of the keyboard. I am trying to use the first switch to swap ctrl and caps lock, but flipping the switch doesn't seem to have any effect. Am I missing some very obvious problem that's making this not work?

You either have to change the switch when the board is unplugged, or unplug and replug it in after changing it. It's not a live update kinda thing.

Awesome, thank you.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: badcop on Mon, 11 March 2013, 09:23:39
do topre switch keyboards ever go on sale?  i'd love to try one but the price is little rich for my blood.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Mon, 11 March 2013, 09:51:19
Even when on sale, they'll rarely drop below $240.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: noons on Mon, 11 March 2013, 10:20:58
do topre switch keyboards ever go on sale?  i'd love to try one but the price is little rich for my blood.

I hear ya.. Although when I sat there and thought about it a cherry keyboard usually goes for around $100-130. Then personally I hate abs key caps and most of the standard keycaps that come with cherry keyboards so you figure another $50-100. At that point your already not far off from the price of a topre.. Another good thing is the resale value on them is pretty high so if you dont like it you can probably sell it fairly easily and get back most the money you spent. This is at least how I justified my purchase... :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: badcop on Mon, 11 March 2013, 10:37:22
do topre switch keyboards ever go on sale?  i'd love to try one but the price is little rich for my blood.

I hear ya.. Although when I sat there and thought about it a cherry keyboard usually goes for around $100-130. Then personally I hate abs key caps and most of the standard keycaps that come with cherry keyboards so you figure another $50-100. At that point your already not far off from the price of a topre.. Another good thing is the resale value on them is pretty high so if you dont like it you can probably sell it fairly easily and get back most the money you spent. This is at least how I justified my purchase... :)

you're right on that but i have too my boards at the moment.  if ditch a few i think i'll pick up a hhkb and give it a go.  TY
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: sth on Tue, 12 March 2013, 14:39:29
do topre switch keyboards ever go on sale?  i'd love to try one but the price is little rich for my blood.
keep an eye on the classifieds. both my topre boards are used... i'd never pay retail for one :P
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: drdoooom on Tue, 12 March 2013, 16:19:07
is EK the only place to find topre keycaps?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 12 March 2013, 16:22:52
I think so. 

The week long verdict is in.  I like it, but I don't rank it higher than the others I have.  I can see using it like I use my others for 3 days - 1 month at a time with no worries, then wanting to feel a different feel when I type and swapping.

On the other hand, 55g is so much more better than 45g to me with it comes to realforce.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Tue, 12 March 2013, 17:31:17
I think so. 

The week long verdict is in.  I like it, but I don't rank it higher than the others I have.  I can see using it like I use my others for 3 days - 1 month at a time with no worries, then wanting to feel a different feel when I type and swapping.

On the other hand, 55g is so much more better than 45g to me with it comes to realforce.

I'd tried blues, browns and reds before this, and I can't see myself ever going back to any of those over the 45g Topre I got. In fact I've sold my Poker with reds, and I have my other two keyboards with blues sitting in a drawer now. I have a Phantom with Ergo-clears in the works, so I'm still pretty excited for that. If I end up liking the Topre better, I'll probably sell the Phantom so I can get a HHKB and maybe a Topre CC.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Tue, 12 March 2013, 17:32:52
Error.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Tue, 12 March 2013, 17:59:49
I think so. 

The week long verdict is in.  I like it, but I don't rank it higher than the others I have.  I can see using it like I use my others for 3 days - 1 month at a time with no worries, then wanting to feel a different feel when I type and swapping.

On the other hand, 55g is so much more better than 45g to me with it comes to realforce.

I'd tried blues, browns and reds before this, and I can't see myself ever going back to any of those over the 45g Topre I got. In fact I've sold my Poker with reds, and I have my other two keyboards with blues sitting in a drawer now. I have a Phantom with Ergo-clears in the works, so I'm still pretty excited for that. If I end up liking the Topre better, I'll probably sell the Phantom so I can get a HHKB and maybe a Topre CC.
Ergo clears are pretty epic and actually feel kind of similar to Topres in a weird way.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 12 March 2013, 18:05:18
i want to try topres out :D
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Tue, 12 March 2013, 18:12:52
i want to try topres out :D

Keychains are not an effective way to test a topre switch. Big differences in feel between plate mounted Realforces and HHKB's. So make sure you try an actual board, not a lone switch :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Tue, 12 March 2013, 18:16:33
i want to try topres out :D

Keychains are not an effective way to test a topre switch. Big differences in feel between plate mounted Realforces and HHKB's. So make sure you try an actual board, not a lone switch :)

i got the wasd sampler kit before i bought my pure w/mx blacks and there was a decent difference despite my pure not having a plate. the only way i think for me to feel the difference is to try out a board. the only person who knows what a mech is is my middle school computer teacher who had a das. he might be on geekhack....who knows...
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Tue, 19 March 2013, 13:14:11
Curiosity got the better of me today and I ordered a 55g 87u to try.  :eek:
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: noons on Tue, 19 March 2013, 14:39:14
Curiosity got the better of me today and I ordered a 55g 87u to try.  :eek:

Let us know which you like better.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 19 March 2013, 14:44:06
Curiosity got the better of me today and I ordered a 55g 87u to try.  :eek:

I don't regret trying topre again for a 55g. 
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Tue, 19 March 2013, 15:05:27
People worry about the 55g being too heavy, but it's definitely not heavy at all. Maybe a tad heavier than browns, but a bit lighter than clears. Very, very easy to type on.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Tue, 19 March 2013, 15:07:19
I love the heavy thock and ping of the 55g. It just makes the board so damned good. I believe the 55g is what Realforces were meant for.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Tue, 19 March 2013, 15:18:34
55g white RF baby....April 5 son...it's on!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Tue, 19 March 2013, 15:40:11
I love the heavy thock and ping of the 55g. It just makes the board so damned good. I believe the 55g is what Realforces were meant for.

Does it have more of a thock than 45?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Tue, 19 March 2013, 17:42:19
ROFL.

Definitely want to try a 55g now. But... no funds.  :-[
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: noons on Tue, 19 March 2013, 17:45:58
Wow 3 people stating they liked the 55g better, now I am curious... The only topre I have tried is my HHKB which is 45g, I honestly feel they are perfect as far as weight.. I prefer lighter switches since my joints in my fingers always kill due to long hours on the computer, but I wonder how light the 55 actually feels. Personally if/when I get a realforce I think 45g would be perfect, but again thats without trying a 55g. Isn't the variable switch model made mostly of 45g switches?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Tue, 19 March 2013, 17:47:06
55g white RF baby....April 5 son...it's on!


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Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: orlando on Tue, 19 March 2013, 17:55:06
Does anyone know if the "silent" realforce is available in a 45g or 55g config? Want to pick up a silent topre and the realforce price is a lot more tempting I just don't want that variable configuration ... well the 30g keys to be more specific.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Tue, 19 March 2013, 17:59:01
Does anyone know if the "silent" realforce is available in a 45g or 55g config? Want to pick up a silent topre and the realforce price is a lot more tempting I just don't want that variable configuration ... well the 30g keys to be more specific.


I don't think they exist. But you could certainly mod it yourself and save money:


http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40582
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: MJ45 on Tue, 19 March 2013, 18:04:32
All the Realforce silent ones are variable I was looking for a silent 45g or 55g but no luck, I don't think they make a fixed silent Realforce.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: noons on Tue, 19 March 2013, 18:05:39
For the life of me I don't understand why anyone would want to silence such a wonderful sound... It's not even loud.. Hehe whatever to each their own I guess.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Tue, 19 March 2013, 18:08:13
All the Realforce silent ones are variable I was looking for a silent 45g or 55g but no luck, I don't think they make a fixed silent Realforce.


The HHKB Type-S is the only evenly weighted, silenced topre board I know of. But again, you could always mod any RF 45 or 55g to be silenced for pretty cheap.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: orlando on Tue, 19 March 2013, 18:09:36
I don't think they exist. But you could certainly mod it yourself and save money:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40582

Thanks, I guess I could always attempt that on my hhkb. To be honest I've been soo close to buying the silent hhkb but that price! It should at least have bluetooth or something. lol
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Atakp on Tue, 19 March 2013, 18:21:10
I have one of the 89s 10th anniversary realforce boards, which is a uniform 30g silenced. It's only in the JIS layout though.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: drdoooom on Tue, 19 March 2013, 18:42:14
love topres. the hhkb got me hooked and the realforce just came in this week. :D
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: DavinDidIt on Tue, 19 March 2013, 19:46:59
For the life of me I don't understand why anyone would want to silence such a wonderful sound... It's not even loud.. Hehe whatever to each their own I guess.

I agree with this man here!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: DavinDidIt on Tue, 19 March 2013, 19:48:03

For the life of me I don't understand why anyone would want to silence such a wonderful sound... It's not even loud.. Hehe whatever to each their own I guess.

I agree with this man here!  It's like a soft rain pattering at the windows at night or something.  totally soothing
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: ValerieV on Tue, 19 March 2013, 20:32:49
I agree as well. I love the sound of my HHKB. It's not even loud.  :eek: :confused:
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Tue, 19 March 2013, 20:35:23
Why isn't this called the Topreciation thread?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: hasu on Tue, 19 March 2013, 20:39:49
Yeah. My HHKB plays very good music.
But I went mad with noise from my next colleague's HHKB.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Atakp on Tue, 19 March 2013, 20:45:58
I enjoy the sound of my normal topre switches as well, I mostly got the 89s to explore the 30g uniform weight
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Cafeine on Tue, 19 March 2013, 21:20:03
love topres. the hhkb got me hooked and the realforce just came in this week. :D


I started by the Realforce but same effect. HHKB incoming. :P
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: MJ45 on Tue, 19 March 2013, 21:51:04
Maybe this thread should be changed to the HHKB Appreciation Thread!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: khaangaaroo on Tue, 19 March 2013, 23:12:43
The thock sound on the downstoke is unchanged in the silent versions, but you guys like the clack sound on the upstroke?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Tue, 19 March 2013, 23:54:59
Wow 3 people stating they liked the 55g better, now I am curious... The only topre I have tried is my HHKB which is 45g, I honestly feel they are perfect as far as weight.. I prefer lighter switches since my joints in my fingers always kill due to long hours on the computer, but I wonder how light the 55 actually feels. Personally if/when I get a realforce I think 45g would be perfect, but again thats without trying a 55g. Isn't the variable switch model made mostly of 45g switches?

I can relate to the sore knuckles. I had been using a Das Ultimate with browns for 2.5 years. At the end of a long day at my keyboard, my knuckles ached. I mean some days it was downright painful. That's the primary reason I tried Topre. I'm 55 and have been banging on keyboards for 30 years. In addition, I spent 27 years in martial arts, so I've sprained my finger joints so many times I couldn't begin to count. When you get older, those past sports injuries tend to rear their ugly head.

Last October, I bought RF 87U variable silent. So, 30g and 45g. I can tell you the difference in joint pain is astounding. In fact, there isn't any. On the Cherry browns, it was daily.

I've also been using my new HHKB Pro 2 that came yesterday. The key feel between the two is slightly different. But I'll comment on key weighting.

The all 45g HHKB is pure Topre heaven. And it wouldn't require much adjustment in your typing style if you're coming from Cherry browns for example.

When I first got the variable 30g - 45g RF, I was coming from browns. I found myself pounding the keys on the RF. So I made a conscious effort to lighten up my style. Of course, this required a more relaxed attack on the keys. I found myself being much more relaxed in front of the keyboard. Less 'deliberate' maybe? It took a good week to establish a lighter typing style without having to continually catch myself typing too heavily. But now that I've adjusted to the lighter, more relaxed typing style, I really like it. I've never had the pleasure of using a all 45g or 55g RF. Most guys seem to prefer those. And if I get another RF, I may give the 45g a try.

So...if you go with the all 45g or 55g, you will probably have less joint pain and not have to change your typing style much. If you go the variable, be prepared to make some changes to your typing style. The real question is to ask yourself is...will you prefer the lighter typing style? Either way, you will have less joint pain coming from Cherry MX.

Hope that helps...
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: eth0s on Tue, 19 March 2013, 23:55:56
The thock sound on the downstoke is unchanged in the silent versions, but you guys like the clack sound on the upstroke?

^ This meditation busts through the ego’s littleness and opens you up to your inner awesomeness and faithful intuition, through the feeling of oneness with cup rubber.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: iri on Wed, 20 March 2013, 04:31:17
I can relate to the sore knuckles. I had been using a Das Ultimate with browns for 2.5 years. At the end of a long day at my keyboard, my knuckles ached. I mean some days it was downright painful.
because you were doing it wrong.

Either way, you will have less joint pain coming from Cherry MX.
wrong. it's not necessary for a typist to bottom out on cherry mx. on the contrary, it's impossible to avoid bottoming out on topre, unless it's 30g. that's why a person with finger joint issues (and who can type properly on cherry mx switches) will experience less pain on cherries. or no pain at all. especially on the brown switch.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: iri on Wed, 20 March 2013, 04:33:54
for topre fanboys like brocaps or whoever, who could again make unreasonable conclusion that i hate topre: i typed ^this and <this on my realforce board.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Wed, 20 March 2013, 04:57:27
I can relate to the sore knuckles. I had been using a Das Ultimate with browns for 2.5 years. At the end of a long day at my keyboard, my knuckles ached. I mean some days it was downright painful.
because you were doing it wrong.

Either way, you will have less joint pain coming from Cherry MX.
wrong. it's not necessary for a typist to bottom out on cherry mx. on the contrary, it's impossible to avoid bottoming out on topre, unless it's 30g. that's why a person with finger joint issues (and who can type properly on cherry mx switches) will experience less pain on cherries. or no pain at all. especially on the brown switch.

I'm flattered that you troll me. Please don't stop. It makes me feel better than you.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: iri on Wed, 20 March 2013, 05:59:11
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Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Polymer on Wed, 20 March 2013, 06:51:14
I can relate to the sore knuckles. I had been using a Das Ultimate with browns for 2.5 years. At the end of a long day at my keyboard, my knuckles ached. I mean some days it was downright painful.
because you were doing it wrong.

Either way, you will have less joint pain coming from Cherry MX.
wrong. it's not necessary for a typist to bottom out on cherry mx. on the contrary, it's impossible to avoid bottoming out on topre, unless it's 30g. that's why a person with finger joint issues (and who can type properly on cherry mx switches) will experience less pain on cherries. or no pain at all. especially on the brown switch.

This is true..you don't have to bottom out on Cherry MX but it is basically not possible to not bottom out on 45/55g Topre.....

That said, I think you lose speed when you're trying to not bottom out..the lighter touch means you can't just hit and move on as quick as possible....It doesn't mean you're typing slow but you definitely lose some  speed...

Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: iri on Wed, 20 March 2013, 07:10:27
^ though generally true, it's not like that on clears.

but yeah, my typing on the realforce is definitely fast. and painful. and pleasant, lol
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: chill1217 on Wed, 20 March 2013, 08:25:43
I can relate to the sore knuckles. I had been using a Das Ultimate with browns for 2.5 years. At the end of a long day at my keyboard, my knuckles ached. I mean some days it was downright painful.
because you were doing it wrong.

Either way, you will have less joint pain coming from Cherry MX.
wrong. it's not necessary for a typist to bottom out on cherry mx. on the contrary, it's impossible to avoid bottoming out on topre, unless it's 30g. that's why a person with finger joint issues (and who can type properly on cherry mx switches) will experience less pain on cherries. or no pain at all. especially on the brown switch.

this sounds fishy.  are you floating while typing at max speed though?  i would think it is near impossible not to bottom out when you're typing at 100+ WPM
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Wed, 20 March 2013, 09:55:38
Every damn time. What is it with these threads?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Wed, 20 March 2013, 10:03:30
Every damn time. What is it with these threads?

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: iri on Wed, 20 March 2013, 10:31:20
I can relate to the sore knuckles. I had been using a Das Ultimate with browns for 2.5 years. At the end of a long day at my keyboard, my knuckles ached. I mean some days it was downright painful.
because you were doing it wrong.

Either way, you will have less joint pain coming from Cherry MX.
wrong. it's not necessary for a typist to bottom out on cherry mx. on the contrary, it's impossible to avoid bottoming out on topre, unless it's 30g. that's why a person with finger joint issues (and who can type properly on cherry mx switches) will experience less pain on cherries. or no pain at all. especially on the brown switch.

this sounds fishy.  are you floating while typing at max speed though?  i would think it is near impossible not to bottom out when you're typing at 100+ WPM
it depends on the switch. on clears -- no, i don't. on reds -- i do from time to time, but it's a light touch, and it happens only when typing really fast. on 45g topre i, like everyone else, bottom out every time.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Wed, 20 March 2013, 10:49:26
Every damn time. What is it with these threads?

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

I just wish it didn't have to degenerate into such a spite-fest.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Thu, 21 March 2013, 05:59:26
Every damn time. What is it with these threads?

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

I just wish it didn't have to degenerate into such a spite-fest.

We're nerds passionate about keyboards. Sometimes I laugh at myself because of this keyboard fetish I've developed. You do realize how off-the-chart nerdy we are right lol? Even other nerds laugh at us. To say it another way, picture some Star Wars nerds that like to attend conventions dressed up like Darth Vader or something. That's bad enough. But then we're the nerds that obsess over something like the gear shift knob on the Millennium Falcon.

And...a little trolling from time to time is fun.   :p
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Saturn on Thu, 21 March 2013, 06:17:32
We're nerds passionate about keyboards. Sometimes I laugh at myself because of this keyboard fetish I've developed. You do realize how off-the-chart nerdy we are right lol?

Keyboard nerds are pretty nerdy indeed, but it's interesting that all the other nerds look to them for real information about mechanical keyboards.

It's pretty telling that a significant minority of gamers who are looking for a good keyboard but otherwise have no interest in keyboards would rather spend their money on a Filco than on one of the many keyboards which are marketed as "gaming keyboards", like the Razer Blackwidow.  It's a good sign, I think.

Passion is good, but being overzealous about anything is neither constructive nor necessary.  On another forum I belong to, advocating for a product that you've had good experiences with is encouraged, but whenever you try to make it seem like the be-all and end-all of products that nothing else can compare to, you get quickly told to tone it down.  Attitudes like that almost invariably result in flame wars.  Plus, any sufficiently zealous praise for a product becomes indistinguishabale from advertising.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: ktownhero on Thu, 21 March 2013, 08:48:32
Well, I've never used a Topre board but ever since discovering them I have wanted to.  The feel of the keyboard is one of the most important things to me, especially since I spend 8+ hours a day on a computer.  Now I'm starting a pure coding job, so I decided I'm done using these stock Dell office keyboards at work and I'm going to suck it up and buy the best of the best for myself at work.  I found that 87U Silent used (but apparently like-new) for only $210 and that seemed like an exceptional deal to me!  So, in a day or two I'll be joining the Topre club and I'll post my impressions here! 
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Thu, 21 March 2013, 09:59:40
Well, I've never used a Topre board but ever since discovering them I have wanted to.  The feel of the keyboard is one of the most important things to me, especially since I spend 8+ hours a day on a computer.  Now I'm starting a pure coding job, so I decided I'm done using these stock Dell office keyboards at work and I'm going to suck it up and buy the best of the best for myself at work.  I found that 87U Silent used (but apparently like-new) for only $210 and that seemed like an exceptional deal to me!  So, in a day or two I'll be joining the Topre club and I'll post my impressions here!

That's an awesome price. I hope you like it. :eek:
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Fri, 22 March 2013, 15:56:33
I got the 55g today and I like it quite a bit better than the 45g. I'm going to use it for a week or so before I decide on which one I'm going to keep and going to sell. After playing with typeracer for a little while it's looking like the 45 g is going to get sold soon.  :))
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: ktownhero on Fri, 22 March 2013, 17:36:21
Well, I've never used a Topre board but ever since discovering them I have wanted to.  The feel of the keyboard is one of the most important things to me, especially since I spend 8+ hours a day on a computer.  Now I'm starting a pure coding job, so I decided I'm done using these stock Dell office keyboards at work and I'm going to suck it up and buy the best of the best for myself at work.  I found that 87U Silent used (but apparently like-new) for only $210 and that seemed like an exceptional deal to me!  So, in a day or two I'll be joining the Topre club and I'll post my impressions here!

That's an awesome price. I hope you like it. :eek:

True to form, this turned out to be a silent 87U in all white.  It came in mint condition with all of the original accessories...  I think I just got lucky! 

Anyway, first impressions of using Topre switches is very positive.  The solidness of how they feel can't be understated, it's evident from the moment I started typing why these boards go for a premium.  My typing speed seems unaffected, and I like having a keyboard that I can hardware swap (via dipswitch) the control and caps lock key.  All in all, this is obviously a great purchase for a job that involves excessive typing and coding.  The only problem now is that I don't know how I'm going to live at home without one.  I love my CM Storm Trigger (Brown MX), but this Realforce board is a whole new level. 
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Fri, 22 March 2013, 23:28:33
Well, I've never used a Topre board but ever since discovering them I have wanted to.  The feel of the keyboard is one of the most important things to me, especially since I spend 8+ hours a day on a computer.  Now I'm starting a pure coding job, so I decided I'm done using these stock Dell office keyboards at work and I'm going to suck it up and buy the best of the best for myself at work.  I found that 87U Silent used (but apparently like-new) for only $210 and that seemed like an exceptional deal to me!  So, in a day or two I'll be joining the Topre club and I'll post my impressions here!

That's an awesome price. I hope you like it. :eek:

True to form, this turned out to be a silent 87U in all white.  It came in mint condition with all of the original accessories...  I think I just got lucky! 

Anyway, first impressions of using Topre switches is very positive.  The solidness of how they feel can't be understated, it's evident from the moment I started typing why these boards go for a premium.  My typing speed seems unaffected, and I like having a keyboard that I can hardware swap (via dipswitch) the control and caps lock key.  All in all, this is obviously a great purchase for a job that involves excessive typing and coding.  The only problem now is that I don't know how I'm going to live at home without one.  I love my CM Storm Trigger (Brown MX), but this Realforce board is a whole new level.

Congrats on your new board. I love my new HHKB with all 45g switches (I've had it for a week and a half), and next to it is my 87U variable silent. Personally, I prefer the lighter keys on the 87U. I'm definitely in the minority around here amongst the Realforce guys. Most prefer the 45g or 55g versions. The point here is that everybody is different. It's not based on finger strength either. I spent many years in construction before moving into IT. At times when I shake hands with someone, I can hear their hand bones pop. But I've found that lighter keys allow me to use a more relaxed, softer typing style, which I much prefer. My speed suffers about 5wpm. But I'm less prone to bottom out my keys and my joints don't ache at the end of a long day.

Somebody said earlier in this thread that typing on MX browns is less painful for them than Topre switches. I have found the opposite to be true. Maybe it's just differences in typing style. But my fingers thank me every day for my Topre boards.

IMHO, you just bought the best keyboard available today at any price.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lazerpointer on Sat, 23 March 2013, 03:20:38
Today I almost broke 100 WPM on my HHKB at work - almost caught up to my Cherry browns speed.

Feel completely justified now ;D I know I'll eventually break my record... (117wpm on HPE87Browns) (before you start taking jabs, I know I could probably get to a higher WPM with a different layout, but I like qwerty.)
Title: Re: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Sat, 23 March 2013, 04:44:38
Well, I've never used a Topre board but ever since discovering them I have wanted to.  The feel of the keyboard is one of the most important things to me, especially since I spend 8+ hours a day on a computer.  Now I'm starting a pure coding job, so I decided I'm done using these stock Dell office keyboards at work and I'm going to suck it up and buy the best of the best for myself at work.  I found that 87U Silent used (but apparently like-new) for only $210 and that seemed like an exceptional deal to me!  So, in a day or two I'll be joining the Topre club and I'll post my impressions here!

That's an awesome price. I hope you like it. :eek:

True to form, this turned out to be a silent 87U in all white.  It came in mint condition with all of the original accessories...  I think I just got lucky! 

Anyway, first impressions of using Topre switches is very positive.  The solidness of how they feel can't be understated, it's evident from the moment I started typing why these boards go for a premium.  My typing speed seems unaffected, and I like having a keyboard that I can hardware swap (via dipswitch) the control and caps lock key.  All in all, this is obviously a great purchase for a job that involves excessive typing and coding.  The only problem now is that I don't know how I'm going to live at home without one.  I love my CM Storm Trigger (Brown MX), but this Realforce board is a whole new level.

Congrats on your new board. I love my new HHKB with all 45g switches (I've had it for a week and a half), and next to it is my 87U variable silent. Personally, I prefer the lighter keys on the 87U. I'm definitely in the minority around here amongst the Realforce guys. Most prefer the 45g or 55g versions. The point here is that everybody is different. It's not based on finger strength either. I spent many years in construction before moving into IT. At times when I shake hands with someone, I can hear their hand bones pop. But I've found that lighter keys allow me to use a more relaxed, softer typing style, which I much prefer. My speed suffers about 5wpm. But I'm less prone to bottom out my keys and my joints don't ache at the end of a long day.

Somebody said earlier in this thread that typing on MX browns is less painful for them than Topre switches. I have found the opposite to be true. Maybe it's just differences in typing style. But my fingers thank me every day for my Topre boards.

IMHO, you just bought the best keyboard available today at any price.

Lol...I work at a construction firm and every field employee I've ever met shakes your hand like a boa constrictor.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: ktownhero on Sat, 23 March 2013, 07:02:04
Congrats on your new board. I love my new HHKB with all 45g switches (I've had it for a week and a half), and next to it is my 87U variable silent. Personally, I prefer the lighter keys on the 87U. I'm definitely in the minority around here amongst the Realforce guys. Most prefer the 45g or 55g versions. The point here is that everybody is different. It's not based on finger strength either. I spent many years in construction before moving into IT. At times when I shake hands with someone, I can hear their hand bones pop. But I've found that lighter keys allow me to use a more relaxed, softer typing style, which I much prefer. My speed suffers about 5wpm. But I'm less prone to bottom out my keys and my joints don't ache at the end of a long day.

Somebody said earlier in this thread that typing on MX browns is less painful for them than Topre switches. I have found the opposite to be true. Maybe it's just differences in typing style. But my fingers thank me every day for my Topre boards.

IMHO, you just bought the best keyboard available today at any price.

Thanks.  The variable switches don't seem to bother me at all, I don't even notice.  Without a doubt, my fingers will suffer less fatigue on the 87UWS than with my Cherry Browns (dampened with o-rings too).  My typing speed doesn't seem to have changed with it, but my accuracy is improved.  I thought my Storm Trigger was a solid board (and it is), but compared to the 87U it feels like a chitter-chattery mess.  I dunno, I know everybody has their opinion and there's a LOT of debate about switches but to me it just seems to be a no-brainer: Topre all the way.  I'm going to end up having to get one for home -- which I don't mind... but I made the mistake of telling my fiance how much these keyboards cost :)  Then again, I bought this one for probably about $50-$80 less than I will be able to resell it for, so I'll be patient and see if I can find another deal like that in the near future.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Sat, 23 March 2013, 14:53:45
I just received an early birthday present from my GF...a Realforce 87u 55g uniform (white).  Techincally, it's preordered...but whatevs....new RF yo!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Sat, 23 March 2013, 14:54:59
I just received an early birthday present from my GF...a Realforce 87u 55g uniform (white).  Techincally, it's preordered...but whatevs....new RF yo!

Awesome gift, and even awesomer gf for getting it for you.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Sat, 23 March 2013, 16:44:40
I just received an early birthday present from my GF...a Realforce 87u 55g uniform (white).  Techincally, it's preordered...but whatevs....new RF yo!

(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q603/magicmeatballs/GIFS/LTfLK_zps8e9b557e.gif)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Sat, 23 March 2013, 17:33:13
I just received an early birthday present from my GF...a Realforce 87u 55g uniform (white).  Techincally, it's preordered...but whatevs....new RF yo!

hahaha. Now that's a good woman!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sat, 23 March 2013, 19:04:00
Congrats on your new board. I love my new HHKB with all 45g switches (I've had it for a week and a half), and next to it is my 87U variable silent. Personally, I prefer the lighter keys on the 87U. I'm definitely in the minority around here amongst the Realforce guys. Most prefer the 45g or 55g versions. The point here is that everybody is different. It's not based on finger strength either. I spent many years in construction before moving into IT. At times when I shake hands with someone, I can hear their hand bones pop. But I've found that lighter keys allow me to use a more relaxed, softer typing style, which I much prefer. My speed suffers about 5wpm. But I'm less prone to bottom out my keys and my joints don't ache at the end of a long day.

Somebody said earlier in this thread that typing on MX browns is less painful for them than Topre switches. I have found the opposite to be true. Maybe it's just differences in typing style. But my fingers thank me every day for my Topre boards.

IMHO, you just bought the best keyboard available today at any price.

Thanks.  The variable switches don't seem to bother me at all, I don't even notice.  Without a doubt, my fingers will suffer less fatigue on the 87UWS than with my Cherry Browns (dampened with o-rings too).  My typing speed doesn't seem to have changed with it, but my accuracy is improved.  I thought my Storm Trigger was a solid board (and it is), but compared to the 87U it feels like a chitter-chattery mess.  I dunno, I know everybody has their opinion and there's a LOT of debate about switches but to me it just seems to be a no-brainer: Topre all the way.  I'm going to end up having to get one for home -- which I don't mind... but I made the mistake of telling my fiance how much these keyboards cost :)  Then again, I bought this one for probably about $50-$80 less than I will be able to resell it for, so I'll be patient and see if I can find another deal like that in the near future.

Yup. That's what most fans of Topre say. It's just, they are content and happy with their keyboards and so spend less time fighting on online boards. All the negativity you hear about Topre boards seems to be from a small contingent of folks who seem hell bent on trolling the **** out of Topre keyboards and its fans. Hence, this thread. 8^)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Sat, 23 March 2013, 19:17:08
Conclusive proof that Topre is superior. Clearly the anticipation of oneness with cup rubber made me type slower on MX Blues. This is a joke, although this really is my Typeracer graph and the arrows are accurate.

(http://i.imgur.com/Iki1SmB.png)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: hasu on Sat, 23 March 2013, 20:17:30
MX blues refuse to work for unfaithful owner. I can understand.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: emusan on Sat, 23 March 2013, 21:18:11
Just purchased my first HHKB Pro 2 from Elite Keyboards (dark grey, non-printed, because I hate the look of printing on keys) :D :D :D. Now just to wait for it to arrive :(
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Sat, 23 March 2013, 21:23:56
Just purchased my first HHKB Pro 2 from Elite Keyboards (dark grey, non-printed, because I hate the look of printing on keys) :D :D :D . Now just to wait for it to arrive :(

You will soon be enjoying the feeling of oneness with cup rubber.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: emusan on Sat, 23 March 2013, 21:26:42
Just purchased my first HHKB Pro 2 from Elite Keyboards (dark grey, non-printed, because I hate the look of printing on keys) :D :D :D . Now just to wait for it to arrive :(

You will soon be enjoying the feeling of oneness with cup rubber.

Yup! Can't wait! Now that I'm going to be in the club can I be let in on where that started? XD  :p found it >.>

on a side note, does EK usually do one of those automated order confirmations? Or do they just give you the paypal receipt? I haven't received anything from EK yet >.>
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Sat, 23 March 2013, 21:27:47
Just purchased my first HHKB Pro 2 from Elite Keyboards (dark grey, non-printed, because I hate the look of printing on keys) :D :D :D . Now just to wait for it to arrive :(

You will soon be enjoying the feeling of oneness with cup rubber.

Yup! Can't wait! Now that I'm going to be in the club can I be let in on where that started? XD  :p

on a side note, does EK usually do one of those automated order confirmations? Or do they just give you the paypal receipt? I haven't received anything from EK yet >.>

It usually takes a few days to get any kind of order confirm from EK. 
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: emusan on Sat, 23 March 2013, 21:28:18
It usually takes a few days to get any kind of order confirm from EK.

Thanks! Good to know :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: eth0s on Sun, 24 March 2013, 00:21:17
I don't know if anybody else here will agree with me, but I just wanted to say that I enjoy the good feeling of oneness with cup rubber. 

And I have one more thing to say: 

And this might be a bit controversial, so I'm just going to come out and say it:  I love Topre.   :))
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Sun, 24 March 2013, 00:31:27
I don't know if anybody else here will agree with me, but I just wanted to say that I enjoy the good feeling of oneness with cup rubber. 

And I have one more thing to say: 

And this might be a bit controversial, so I'm just going to come out and say it:  I love Topre.   :))

This is how I feel when using topre:

(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q603/magicmeatballs/GIFS/1343224605181_zpsc8d8a602.gif)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: SmallFry on Sun, 24 March 2013, 00:41:19
What do Topre stabilized keys look like underneath? I guess I've never looked.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lazerpointer on Sun, 24 March 2013, 00:47:53
It looks kind of like the Cherry stabilizers but instead of a plus sign it's more of a |

I think the only stabilized key is the space bar
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: birthdaymonkey on Sun, 24 March 2013, 22:08:00
I also just got my first 55g board. Previously a 45g 87U user. I was on the fence for a long time about this purchase, but so far I LOVE THE 55G REALFORCE 87U.

Now I have to decide whether to sell the 45g (white). My new keyboard is black, so I was thinking of swapping the keys because I love a high contrast white/grey key on black look... but then it might be harder to sell the white one.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Trev on Sun, 24 March 2013, 22:11:38
Key-swap, keep both, take photos.

There. Sorted that out for you.  :D
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Sun, 24 March 2013, 23:12:34
Key-swap, keep both, take photos.

There. Sorted that out for you.  :D


This^^^^
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Mon, 25 March 2013, 00:23:57
I also just got my first 55g board. Previously a 45g 87U user. I was on the fence for a long time about this purchase, but so far I LOVE THE 55G REALFORCE 87U.

Now I have to decide whether to sell the 45g (white). My new keyboard is black, so I was thinking of swapping the keys because I love a high contrast white/grey key on black look... but then it might be harder to sell the white one.

Sell me just the white keys.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Mon, 25 March 2013, 00:48:19
Damnit Amarok, me first! ;)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Mon, 25 March 2013, 00:51:54
Damnit Amarok, me first! ;)

Fine, but only because your posts convinced me to get the 55g and reach Topre nirvana.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Mon, 25 March 2013, 00:56:59
(http://i.imgur.com/1qzHGP6.gif)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: birthdaymonkey on Mon, 25 March 2013, 13:44:01
I also just got my first 55g board. Previously a 45g 87U user. I was on the fence for a long time about this purchase, but so far I LOVE THE 55G REALFORCE 87U.

Now I have to decide whether to sell the 45g (white). My new keyboard is black, so I was thinking of swapping the keys because I love a high contrast white/grey key on black look... but then it might be harder to sell the white one.

Sell me just the white keys.  :rolleyes:

Nice try! Those are the ones I want the most! :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: birthdaymonkey on Mon, 25 March 2013, 13:58:28
Key-swap, keep both, take photos.

There. Sorted that out for you.  :D

I will definitely comply with your suggestions as far as swapping keys and taking pics. Whether I keep the 45g is still to be decided, however.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: eth0s on Mon, 25 March 2013, 14:11:01
This thread has convinced me that I need moar Topre keyboards.

To quote the Hon. Phil Gramm (R., retired), former Texas Senator, "I have as many [Topre keyboards] as I need, but I don't have as many [Topre keyboards] as I want." Springfield News-Leader; News-leader.com; 5/14/2008.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Mon, 25 March 2013, 16:29:17
This thread has convinced me that I need moar Topre keyboards.

To quote the Hon. Phil Gramm (R., retired), former Texas Senator, "I have as many [Topre keyboards] as I need, but I don't have as many [Topre keyboards] as I want." Springfield News-Leader; News-leader.com; 5/14/2008.

Haha, that was a great article. I loved the part where he said he wanted to get an HHKB for his horse stables. If you have the money, why not?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: eth0s on Mon, 25 March 2013, 17:32:04
This thread has convinced me that I need moar Topre keyboards.

To quote the Hon. Phil Gramm (R., retired), former Texas Senator, "I have as many [Topre keyboards] as I need, but I don't have as many [Topre keyboards] as I want." Springfield News-Leader; News-leader.com; 5/14/2008.

Haha, that was a great article. I loved the part where he said he wanted to get an HHKB for his horse stables. If you have the money, why not?

LOL.  Them good ol' Texas Republicans, you gotta love 'em, the rascals.  :p  They are [keyboard] fanatics!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Trev on Mon, 25 March 2013, 19:59:19
Key-swap, keep both, take photos.

There. Sorted that out for you.  :D

I will definitely comply with your suggestions as far as swapping keys and taking pics. Whether I keep the 45g is still to be decided, however.
Do some side-by-side comparisons too. Measure typing speeds on each ;)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Tempest790 on Mon, 25 March 2013, 21:37:48
Interesting. Ducky announced they are also a Topre agent and reseller.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ducky-Keyboard/117547488320354
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Mon, 25 March 2013, 21:39:42
Interesting. Ducky announced they are also a Topre agent and reseller.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ducky-Keyboard/117547488320354

ducky topre? hmmmm
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lazerpointer on Tue, 26 March 2013, 04:53:28
Interesting. Ducky announced they are also a Topre agent and reseller.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ducky-Keyboard/117547488320354

uhhhh. Damn. I guess they saw all the profit going to EK (enthusiasm from GH has DEFINITELY benefited EK :))

This will be interesting indeed.....
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Acetrak on Tue, 26 March 2013, 18:32:36
Got my first topre board...definitely interesting. I got a HHKB Pro2 Type-S, now I'm curious to see what 55g feels like.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: eth0s on Tue, 26 March 2013, 20:40:53
Got my first topre board...definitely interesting. I got a HHKB Pro2 Type-S, now I'm curious to see what 55g feels like.

Well you started with the best.  Excellent choice!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Tue, 26 March 2013, 20:41:31
Nice, we can now be Type-S buddies! :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Trev on Tue, 26 March 2013, 20:48:05
My journey has also brought me to a Type-S. Just ordered via smart imports yesterday. Now for the wait :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lazerpointer on Tue, 26 March 2013, 21:23:00
Daily runner at work for a few weeks now  is a Type-S. I do love it. I type on it just for fun sometimes.

I think it's so important for Topre that you try it for at least a month. The feel definitely changes from lots of use. It gets much smoother and gives way to the fingers with minimal friction. I think room temperature has some factor in the feel of it as well (like when it's ubber cold, I think the actuation force actually goes up slightly)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Tue, 26 March 2013, 21:23:41
Ahhh type s...so thocking quiet!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Tue, 26 March 2013, 21:40:52
Ahhh type s...so thocking quiet!

You going to join the Type-S Buddy Club, bro?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: khaangaaroo on Tue, 26 March 2013, 21:41:44
30g + silenced = no sound
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Tue, 26 March 2013, 21:55:04
Ahhh type s...so thocking quiet!

You going to join the Type-S Buddy Club, bro?

Dunno...I'm torn on a nomral HHKB or the Typse S.  I've heard the Type S has reduced key travel from some. 

I can't make up my thocking mind.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Acetrak on Tue, 26 March 2013, 21:56:45
Type-S waddup!

2 hours into typing this, feels pretty good. I've always been a fan of tactile switches so the thock feel is familiar yet different, it's more subtle but it's there. Pretty refreshing to say the least.

I went with 1:on 2:off 3:on 4:off 5:on 6:off for dip switches
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Trev on Tue, 26 March 2013, 22:02:58

Dunno...I'm torn on a nomral HHKB or the Typse S.  I've heard the Type S has reduced key travel from some. 

I can't make up my thocking mind.

Sounds like you're assuming the 0.2mm reduced travel is a bad thing. IMO, it's definitely not (I have both in front of me) :)

With the standard 45g Topre, I can aaaaalmost type without bottoming out all the time. With the Type-S I always bottom-out, but speed and accuracy have improved.

Your milage may vary.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: phoxxii on Tue, 26 March 2013, 22:06:51
I really hope to hell that after selling my old Razer piece of ****, and then finding a home for this Das Ultimate that I'm typing on I will be able to cobble up the rest of the funds for a HHKB2...

If anyone wants to help me achieve my goal sooner by all means send me a PM  ;) ;D

Hopefully I will be raving about my Topre board soon!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Trev on Tue, 26 March 2013, 22:12:46
I have a Das standard here with Blues. Honestly, it's garbage compared to anything Topre. The blues are scratchy and uselessly noisy. Ghetto switches. Luckily Das sell easily on Ebay. I'd recommend giving that a shot.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Tue, 26 March 2013, 22:18:57
Ahhh type s...so thocking quiet!

You going to join the Type-S Buddy Club, bro?

Dunno...I'm torn on a nomral HHKB or the Typse S.  I've heard the Type S has reduced key travel from some. 

I can't make up my thocking mind.

The reduced travel is not even noticeable. You would not be able to sit a regular hhkb and a type s side by side and tell the difference, it's that slight.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Trev on Tue, 26 March 2013, 22:27:26
They're both sitting right here. It does make a noticeable difference. The regular Topre switches don't bottom out as easily. I prefer the Type-S not due to the sound, but because of the feel (due to reduced travel). They're faster.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Tue, 26 March 2013, 22:35:38
They're both sitting right here. It does make a noticeable difference. The regular Topre switches don't bottom out as easily. I prefer the Type-S not due to the sound, but because of the feel (due to reduced travel). They're faster.

It makes a noticeable difference in the way it feels, but you can't see the difference in travel with the naked eye. You can hear and feel it, though. It doesn't take away from the feel of the rubber collapsing, either.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Tue, 26 March 2013, 23:19:26
Ahhh type s...so thocking quiet!

Ok...is it 'thock' or 'thonk'?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Tue, 26 March 2013, 23:21:37
Ahhh type s...so thocking quiet!

Ok...is it 'thock' or 'thonk'?
It's thock.  How the thock did you think it was thonk?  :P
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Tue, 26 March 2013, 23:46:55
They're both sitting right here. It does make a noticeable difference. The regular Topre switches don't bottom out as easily. I prefer the Type-S not due to the sound, but because of the feel (due to reduced travel). They're faster.

I've had an 87U silent for about four months. I bought it new. I just got a new non-silenced HHKB Pro 2 a few weeks ago. I like them both for different reasons.

I actually enjoy the sound of the HHKB. It's still much quieter than my MX browns or reds, and the 'thonk' sound is...soothing. But if I had to pick only one today, it would be the 87U. Maybe in a month I'll feel different. But IMHO, the 87U has a refinement level a tad higher. I don’t know enough about keyboard engineering to say why, but my guess is the metal mounting plate in the Realforce.

Regarding typing speed; I did some speed comparisons between the two. I'm ~ 3 wpm faster on the 87U every time using the same text on TypeRacer. I'm currently around 60 wpm on Colemak. (Just switched from Qwerty to Colemak three months ago. Still have a ways to go before I'm at full speed. But I was capped out at 70 wpm on Qwerty. With Colemak, I'm expecting to be at 90 + wpm by year's end.)

Regarding reduced travel between silenced and non-silenced; I honestly can’t tell a difference. It does feel different. I don't know if I can attribute that to reduced key travel. However, I’ve tried EK landing pads on Cherry switches. The reduced key travel was blaringly obvious. In fact, it effected the switch feel so much we took them off.

So yeah...after that long-winded bunch of rambling BS, I prefer the silenced switch 'feel' better. And I might place my HHKB up with the Realforce if it had silenced keys.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Tue, 26 March 2013, 23:49:47
Please stop talking about versions of Topre different from the Realforce 87U 45g and 55g lest I be forced to purchase more boards to feel included in the discussion. :(
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Tue, 26 March 2013, 23:49:59
Ahhh type s...so thocking quiet!

Ok...is it 'thock' or 'thonk'?
It's thock.  How the thock did you think it was thonk?  :P

I did thik if was 'thonk'. But thaks for clearing that up.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: keymaster on Tue, 26 March 2013, 23:52:37
They're both sitting right here. It does make a noticeable difference. The regular Topre switches don't bottom out as easily. I prefer the Type-S not due to the sound, but because of the feel (due to reduced travel). They're faster.

I've had an 87U silent for about four months. I bought it new. I just got a new non-silenced HHKB Pro 2 a few weeks ago. I like them both for different reasons.

I actually enjoy the sound of the HHKB. It's still much quieter than my MX browns or reds, and the 'thonk' sound is...soothing. But if I had to pick only one today, it would be the 87U. Maybe in a month I'll feel different. But IMHO, the 87U has a refinement level a tad higher. I don’t know enough about keyboard engineering to say why, but my guess is the metal mounting plate in the Realforce.

Regarding typing speed; I did some speed comparisons between the two. I'm ~ 3 wpm faster on the 87U every time using the same text on TypeRacer. I'm currently around 60 wpm on Colemak. (Just switched from Qwerty to Colemak three months ago. Still have a ways to go before I'm at full speed. But I was capped out at 70 wpm on Qwerty. With Colemak, I'm expecting to be at 90 + wpm by year's end.)

Regarding reduced travel between silenced and non-silenced; I honestly can’t tell a difference. It does feel different. I don't know if I can attribute that to reduced key travel. However, I’ve tried EK landing pads on Cherry switches. The reduced key travel was blaringly obvious. In fact, it effected the switch feel so much we took them off.

So yeah...after that long-winded bunch of rambling BS, I prefer the silenced switch 'feel' better. And I might place my HHKB up with the Realforce if it had silenced keys.


I'm surprised how much better the silenced one sounds.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Trev on Tue, 26 March 2013, 23:54:54
Yeah. I'm not a fan of how the regular Topre makes noise on the up-stroke.

Thock? Yes.

Thock-clack? No.   :D
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: iri on Tue, 26 March 2013, 23:56:18
Yeah. I'm not a fan of how the regular Topre makes noise on the up-stroke.
blasphemy and heathen
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Wed, 27 March 2013, 00:00:28
Ahhh type s...so thocking quiet!

You going to join the Type-S Buddy Club, bro?

Dunno...I'm torn on a nomral HHKB or the Typse S.  I've heard the Type S has reduced key travel from some. 

I can't make up my thocking mind.

As I said, I like the feel of the silenced better. It feels more refined. The cost differential between the two in the Realforce line is justifiable. I think it's around $30. HHKB is another story. Would it be worth the extra $130 for the silenced HHKB? Only you and your bank account can answer that. If it is important to you, go for it. H*ll, you're already spending a ton anyway. What's another $130?!   :D
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Wed, 27 March 2013, 00:00:40
Please stop talking about versions of Topre different from the Realforce 87U 45g and 55g lest I be forced to purchase more boards to feel included in the discussion. :(

Sorry bro, you are just going to have to buy moar topre boards ^__^
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lazerpointer on Wed, 27 March 2013, 00:00:58
The un-silenced one sounds more like a... keyboard IMO. I personally prefer the silenced switches... I can bust out the clicky alps or buckling springs if I want noise.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: sth on Wed, 27 March 2013, 00:03:22
Interesting. Ducky announced they are also a Topre agent and reseller.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ducky-Keyboard/117547488320354

oh damnit does this mean backlit topre and novelty keys are coming? the end is nigh :(
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Wed, 27 March 2013, 00:38:32
Interesting. Ducky announced they are also a Topre agent and reseller.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ducky-Keyboard/117547488320354

oh damnit does this mean backlit topre and novelty keys are coming? the end is nigh :(

All I know is that case has no logo and I wants it.

Edit: nevermind, it would help if I looked at the full picture...
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: MJ45 on Wed, 27 March 2013, 11:43:38
Ahhh type s...so thocking quiet!

You going to join the Type-S Buddy Club, bro?

Dunno...I'm torn on a nomral HHKB or the Typse S.  I've heard the Type S has reduced key travel from some. 

I can't make up my thocking mind.

As I said, I like the feel of the silenced better. It feels more refined. The cost differential between the two in the Realforce line is justifiable. I think it's around $30. HHKB is another story. Would it be worth the extra $130 for the silenced HHKB? Only you and your bank account can answer that. If it is important to you, go for it. H*ll, you're already spending a ton anyway. What's another $130?!   :D


The HHKB type S has a 3mm travel vs. 4mm reg. model, the sound reduction is on the upstroke. I don't think most would feel a 1mm difference IMO or better feel, it just silencing key return. 
Edit; I was way off so its way less difference but still on the up stroke. I stand corrected Thanks !!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Wed, 27 March 2013, 12:00:00
Yeah. I'm not a fan of how the regular Topre makes noise on the up-stroke.
blasphemy and heathen

Amen. Sometimes I feel like an aberrant for liking the sound of the standard Topre over the silenced.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Wed, 27 March 2013, 12:17:49
As I said, I like the feel of the silenced better. It feels more refined. The cost differential between the two in the Realforce line is justifiable. I think it's around $30. HHKB is another story. Would it be worth the extra $130 for the silenced HHKB? Only you and your bank account can answer that. If it is important to you, go for it. H*ll, you're already spending a ton anyway. What's another $130?!   :D


Or you can just spend a very small amount of money for essentially the same thing as a Type-S. http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40582


That is, if you feel comfortable taking your HHKB apart.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: emusan on Wed, 27 March 2013, 13:54:13
Interesting. Ducky announced they are also a Topre agent and reseller.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ducky-Keyboard/117547488320354

oh damnit does this mean backlit topre and novelty keys are coming? the end is nigh :(

I don't believe so, if I read it correctly they will just be re-distributing Realforce in China/Asia (not sure where). I could very well be wrong though...
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Wed, 27 March 2013, 17:14:39
The HHKB type S has a 3mm travel vs. 4mm reg. model, the sound reduction is on the upstroke. I don't think most would feel a 1mm difference IMO or better feel, it just silencing key return.

I just tested the key travel on my 87U silent and HHKB non-silent boards.

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My four month old Realforce 87U Silent and three week old HHKB Pro 2 non-silent.


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This is the depth gage used. Measurement unit is millimeters.


[attachimg=3]

The test method was simple. The base of the depth gage sits on the adjacent keys. The plunger is placed in the center of the key being tested and depressed until the key bottoms out.


[attachimg=4]

First test was done on the 87U Silent. You can see it reads exactly 4mm.


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Then I tested the HHKB non-silent. You can see it's also exactly 4mm.

Test Results:

The key travel is exactly the same for silent and non-silent Topre switches. There is no difference in key travel between the two. Which means, whatever Topre did to silence the switches, it's not simply a factory mod like we would do. Also note that the silent switches have a purple housing. Non-silent key housings are black. Read here for more info on Topre key types and colors: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Topre_switch

Given the different key switch housing (differentiated by color), and my key travel testing, I'm going to go out on a limb here and conclude that the engineering is different between the two switch types. If they do use some sort of dampening material, they've also changed the switch housing to accommodate it, resulting in identical key travel as their standard switch.

Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Wed, 27 March 2013, 17:56:46
^This guy is awesome!  Thanks macsmasher.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: birthdaymonkey on Wed, 27 March 2013, 18:33:20
I'm about to do a key swap between my black and white Realforces. I've never taken but a few keys from a Topre board before. Are the stabilizers tricky at all? I do not want to break either of my fabulously expensive toys!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lazerpointer on Wed, 27 March 2013, 18:46:51
Nice test, Macsmasher. Clears up a lot of folks' concerns.
I'm about to do a key swap between my black and white Realforces. I've never taken but a few keys from a Topre board before. Are the stabilizers tricky at all? I do not want to break either of my fabulously expensive toys!
It's kind of like the Cherry stabs. Pull up the sides of the spacebar first, then pull up when the stabs are unhooked. All the other keys you can just pull up.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Trev on Wed, 27 March 2013, 19:05:33
The HHKB type S has a 3mm travel vs. 4mm reg. model, the sound reduction is on the upstroke. I don't think most would feel a 1mm difference IMO or better feel, it just silencing key return.

...

Test Results:

The key travel is exactly the same for silent and non-silent Topre switches. There is no difference in key travel between the two. Which means, whatever Topre did to silence the switches, it's not simply a factory mod like we would do. Also note that the silent switches have a purple housing. Non-silent key housings are black. Read here for more info on Topre key types and colors: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Topre_switch

Given the different key switch housing (differentiated by color), and my key travel testing, I'm going to go out on a limb here and conclude that the engineering is different between the two switch types. If they do use some sort of dampening material, they've also changed the switch housing to accommodate it, resulting in identical key travel as their standard switch.

Have you guys checked the manufacturer specs?
http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/hhkbpro2_types/feature.html
PFU references the reduced key travel here and in other places (Google Translated):
Quote
From 4mm to 3.8mm Professional optimization of the conventional series of keystrokes to strike a balance pressure and depression. Achieve key touch typing nimble and more supple and comfortable, intact.

Comparing the two side-by-side, I choose the Type-S as my favourite because of the reduced key-travel (before I'd even looked up the numbers). Typing feels quite different swapping between the two.

I'd be inclined to trust the manufacturer over an antique analog gauge hovering over some keys.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: hasu on Wed, 27 March 2013, 19:09:50
From spec HHKB Type-S has 3.8mm stroke, not 4mm or 3mm, while Realforce silent model still has 4mm. But I couldn't find spec value of Realforce silent key stroke.
http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/type-s/spec.html#pro2_spec

At promotion event years ago Topre guy told me that they made new mold for Realforce silent model not to lose key stroke with O-ring thickness. Meanwhile, I suspect PFU just added O-ring to existent normal model and lost 0.2mm stroke? :P They hype this less stroke is due to design for fast typing. Oh, really? ;D
And Type-S is available only from PFU own direct shop. This keeps MSRP without discount.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Wed, 27 March 2013, 19:14:28

And Type-S is available only from PFU own direct shop. This keeps MSRP without discount.

What? (http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=pfu_keyboards,hhkbpro2&pid=pdkb400ws)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: hasu on Wed, 27 March 2013, 19:27:57
I don't know how they got. At least they seem to keep MSRP.
400USD > (315USD=29800JPY)


And Type-S is available only from PFU own direct shop. This keeps MSRP without discount.

What? (http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=pfu_keyboards,hhkbpro2&pid=pdkb400ws)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Wed, 27 March 2013, 19:29:39
They have had them for a very, very long time. Also, they used to be $450 USD.

I don't know how they got. At least they seem to keep MSRP.
400USD > (315USD=29800JPY)


And Type-S is available only from PFU own direct shop. This keeps MSRP without discount.

What? (http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=pfu_keyboards,hhkbpro2&pid=pdkb400ws)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: emusan on Wed, 27 March 2013, 19:40:48
I don't know how they got. At least they seem to keep MSRP.
400USD > (315USD=29800JPY)

Pretty sure they have to keep at MSRP to keep doing business with PFU, PFU isn't one to give their boards out to just any distributor.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Wed, 27 March 2013, 19:49:07
Comparing the two side-by-side, I choose the Type-S as my favourite because of the reduced key-travel (before I'd even looked up the numbers). Typing feels quite different swapping between the two.

I'd be inclined to trust the manufacturer over an antique analog gauge hovering over some keys.

Well, it's not a machinists digital instrument. But accurate enough for my purpose. I also took three measurements per keyboard to ensure consistency.

According to the Topre specs, it looks like the standard keystroke is 4mm and silenced is 3.8mm. For those of you not familiar with Metric, that's 0.00787 inches. The diameter of a human hair is .254mm, or 0.001 inches.

I would respectfully submit sir that the difference you feel is not related to key travel. But if you disagree, you could perform a test of your own. Pluck one of the hairs off your head and find a way to place it under a key. Get back to me with the results.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: birthdaymonkey on Wed, 27 March 2013, 20:09:25
It's kind of like the Cherry stabs. Pull up the sides of the spacebar first, then pull up when the stabs are unhooked. All the other keys you can just pull up.

Thanks! Turns out it was actually much easier than Cherry. There's no metal bar on either of my keyboards - just two anchors on either side that attach to the spacebar - sort of like the regular key stems.

I didn't have time to finish tonight - here's the work in progress. Looks pretty cool with just the alpha keys swapped in.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Wed, 27 March 2013, 20:13:00
I don't know how they got. At least they seem to keep MSRP.
400USD > (315USD=29800JPY)

Pretty sure they have to keep at MSRP to keep doing business with PFU, PFU isn't one to give their boards out to just any distributor.

AFAIK, elitekeyboards is the ONLY US distributor.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Wed, 27 March 2013, 20:27:58
I didn't have time to finish tonight - here's the work in progress. Looks pretty cool with just the alpha keys swapped in.

(Attachment Link)

That looks great. I've been looking at Topre keycaps, but all the colors are...weird. But that's probably because I'm old and boring. I like the alpha key color in the 10th anniversary edition, but of course they're not available as a keycap set. I'll probably go white as well when / if I replace them. Anyway, it looks really good dood.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Trev on Wed, 27 March 2013, 22:58:36
Comparing the two side-by-side, I choose the Type-S as my favourite because of the reduced key-travel (before I'd even looked up the numbers). Typing feels quite different swapping between the two.

I'd be inclined to trust the manufacturer over an antique analog gauge hovering over some keys.

Well, it's not a machinists digital instrument. But accurate enough for my purpose. I also took three measurements per keyboard to ensure consistency.

According to the Topre specs, it looks like the standard keystroke is 4mm and silenced is 3.8mm. For those of you not familiar with Metric, that's 0.00787 inches. The diameter of a human hair is .254mm, or 0.001 inches.

I would respectfully submit sir that the difference you feel is not related to key travel. But if you disagree, you could perform a test of your own. Pluck one of the hairs off your head and find a way to place in under a key. Get back to me with the results.

I shave my head, so I'll need to source one from somewhere else. Unsure if hair thickness will be the same, I'll report back.

I agree that there must be other factors contributing to the "feel" of being shorter throw. I'm bottoming out 100% of the time on Type-S HHKB. On regular 45g Topre it's still >90%, but a much softer landing. These qualities are what leads me to believe there's a tiny bit more room at the bottom of the key stroke.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Schattendolch on Wed, 27 March 2013, 23:13:52
overpriced membrane garbage

go buckling spring if you want a real typing experience
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lazerpointer on Wed, 27 March 2013, 23:16:42
I have come to accept bottoming out. In doing so, I have reduced my "bottoming out" by a low, but still significant percentage..... simply because I'm not thinking about it.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Wed, 27 March 2013, 23:28:27
overpriced membrane garbage

go buckling spring if you want a real typing experience

Hi ripster
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Wed, 27 March 2013, 23:34:26
Comparing the two side-by-side, I choose the Type-S as my favourite because of the reduced key-travel (before I'd even looked up the numbers). Typing feels quite different swapping between the two.

I'd be inclined to trust the manufacturer over an antique analog gauge hovering over some keys.

Well, it's not a machinists digital instrument. But accurate enough for my purpose. I also took three measurements per keyboard to ensure consistency.

According to the Topre specs, it looks like the standard keystroke is 4mm and silenced is 3.8mm. For those of you not familiar with Metric, that's 0.00787 inches. The diameter of a human hair is .254mm, or 0.001 inches.

I would respectfully submit sir that the difference you feel is not related to key travel. But if you disagree, you could perform a test of your own. Pluck one of the hairs off your head and find a way to place in under a key. Get back to me with the results.

I shave my head, so I'll need to source one from somewhere else. Unsure if hair thickness will be the same, I'll report back.

I agree that there must be other factors contributing to the "feel" of being shorter throw. I'm bottoming out 100% of the time on Type-S HHKB. On regular 45g Topre it's still >90%, but a much softer landing. These qualities are what leads me to believe there's a tiny bit more room at the bottom of the key stroke.

The switches do feel considerably different between RF and HHKB. I just assumed it was because of the different mounting systems. There seems to be less of a tactile bump on the RF 45g silent switches compared to the 45g HHKB non-silenced, which may account for the feeling of less key travel. Linear keys like MX reds feel shallower to me even though they have the same travel as my browns; 4mm.

Regardless, I'm with you regarding preference. I like the feel of the silent switch.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Thu, 28 March 2013, 00:08:00
overpriced membrane garbage

go buckling spring if you want a real typing experience

Hi ripster

More like a TP smurf
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: sth on Thu, 28 March 2013, 00:12:22
I shave my head, so I'll need to source one from somewhere else. Unsure if hair thickness will be the same, I'll report back.

puuuuuuuuuubes
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Trev on Thu, 28 March 2013, 00:19:35
I shave my head, so I'll need to source one from somewhere else. Unsure if hair thickness will be the same, I'll report back.

puuuuuuuuuubes
A standard unit of measurement for key travel, no? "That Topre is at least 170pu"

(The thickness of human hair actually varies wildly based on race, gender, etc.)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: hasu on Thu, 28 March 2013, 02:03:48
overpriced membrane garbage

go buckling spring if you want a real typing experience

Hi ripster

More like a TP smurf

Ripster had decent knowledge about keyboard and was better at troll.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: keymaster on Thu, 28 March 2013, 02:21:18
overpriced membrane garbage

go buckling spring if you want a real typing experience

Hi ripster

More like a TP smurf

Ripster had decent knowledge about keyboard and was better at troll.

Decent knowledge? That's the understatement of the century.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Thu, 28 March 2013, 03:01:22


Ripster had decent knowledge about keyboard and was better at troll.

That's true....

I guess it must be someone that lacks the balls to speak their worthless opinions on their main ID.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lazerpointer on Thu, 28 March 2013, 03:07:50
overpriced membrane garbage

go buckling spring if you want a real typing experience

Hi ripster

More like a TP smurf

Ripster had decent knowledge about keyboard and was better at troll.

I would call this a successful troll post. Look at all the posts about it  :))

It's probably tp4 anyways. I can just tell. -- actually he likes scissor switch, not BS. So no, just a new troll  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Thu, 28 March 2013, 03:11:35
TP knows he loves Topre. He's just too afraid to admit it.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: iri on Thu, 28 March 2013, 03:26:59
overpriced membrane garbage
have you had any success finding a model f yet?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Thu, 28 March 2013, 09:22:09
TP knows he loves Topre. He's just too afraid to admit it.

Seriously, I think he's just closet.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Thu, 28 March 2013, 09:34:57
TP knows he loves Topre. He's just too afraid to admit it.

Seriously, I think he's just closet.

This is for TP...

(http://media2.policymic.com/2c9f2a27ae2f999c46a554b7847df09f.jpg)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 29 March 2013, 01:09:56
This now stands for SWITCH EQUALITY....

This is for TP...

Show Image
(http://media2.policymic.com/2c9f2a27ae2f999c46a554b7847df09f.jpg)

Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: vipjun on Mon, 01 April 2013, 15:44:39
Does anyone have ideas for reducing the key travel of the stroke by about 1mm - 1.5mm? I'm not sure if the cherry o-rings will fit topre.  Anyone have a link to purchasing or selling some ? I only need about 8 , though i don't mind buying a whole set if that's what it has to be.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lazerpointer on Mon, 01 April 2013, 16:14:09
iri has done a mod which involves ... medical tape? It's basically a strip of rubber he put between the keys and the plate.

I would recommend a foam cutout (tedious work, but hey if you really want perfection...)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Mon, 01 April 2013, 17:02:53
Yeah. I'm not a fan of how the regular Topre makes noise on the up-stroke.
blasphemy and heathen

Amen. Sometimes I feel like an aberrant for liking the sound of the standard Topre over the silenced.

Unrefined barbarian!

Ok, I like the sound too. The only reason I 'need' the silent is so I can take notes during phone meetings. I know this may come as a surprise to all of us, but normal people don't appreciate the sound of nice key switches. I know! Go figure...   :confused:
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Trev on Mon, 01 April 2013, 17:54:32
It's the timing that bothers me more than the sound. I don't like hearing the Topre upstroke <clack> slightly after the key press. In normal typing, it's much more noticeable than the bottoming-out <thock>.

Anyhow, this is easily remedied with a Type-S HHKB (on route), and my RF 87U silent.  :D
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: kaporkle on Tue, 02 April 2013, 00:02:01
Hay this is as good a thread as any to ask. What is the deal with this Topre numpad? All I can gather from the couple photos I've seen is that it seems to be 30g. And where is the cable? Is it just a non-functional mock-up or do they actually sell this?[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Tue, 02 April 2013, 00:53:46
Hay this is as good a thread as any to ask. What is the deal with this Topre numpad? All I can gather from the couple photos I've seen is that it seems to be 30g. And where is the cable? Is it just a non-functional mock-up or do they actually sell this? (Attachment Link)

45g uniform non-silenced PCB mounted Topre switches. I have one. Feels a lot like my HHKB actually. Also has dip switches for customizing some keys. Cable comes out the back on the left. Read about it here...

http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rf_numberpad&pid=rf_wc0100

This guy is even more boring than we are, but it's a good comparison between the Realforce and Filco tenkeypads...

Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: kaporkle on Tue, 02 April 2013, 09:35:17
Oh sorry, I guess I should have been more specific. I do have a 23UB, I specifically mean the metallic red one pictured.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Tue, 02 April 2013, 12:49:02
It clearly shows 30g in that photo....
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Tue, 02 April 2013, 12:52:03
Any more photos of that numpad kaporkle?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: vipjun on Tue, 02 April 2013, 15:21:12
I just received my weighted Topre and was looking to see if any 55g Topre owners would like to trade some 55g domes for my 45g or 35g dome

I'm willing to trade 4 - 12 domes even numbers prefered. pulled from the F cluster / misc keys that haven't been typed on much.

I'm looking to build a 35/45/55(not just an esc key) weighted version and the 55g owner can build a 45/55 version.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: iri on Tue, 02 April 2013, 15:33:48
iri has done a mod which involves ... medical tape? It's basically a strip of rubber he put between the keys and the plate.
handlebar wrap for road bicycles.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40465.msg831195#msg831195
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: kaporkle on Tue, 02 April 2013, 20:15:26
Any more photos of that numpad kaporkle?

I thought I had at least one other decent photo of it, but it seems not.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: vipjun on Tue, 02 April 2013, 20:53:47
i took apart some bamboo coasters and put them under the key.. the travel was reduced by 2mm or so. felt a little too much. im gonna try toothpicks instead.  I like the hard bottom out.

BTW does anyone know where i can get springs that are similar to the one underneath the spacebar? maybe 10 - 20g tension.

I know it sounds like i'm butchering my kb but i really want a bit more snap back in the key.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: birthdaymonkey on Wed, 03 April 2013, 13:53:07
Here are my two 87Us with a partial key swap! White is 45g, black 55g.

I'm going to fully swap the keys next (when I have time) and upload those pics too.

[attach=1][attach=2]
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dreamingftw on Wed, 03 April 2013, 14:27:56
Looks good. Can't wait to get my white 55g that I ordered yesterday. I'm also going to have a black and white one. yay!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Q404 on Wed, 03 April 2013, 14:53:19
Does anyone know a way how you can purchase a hhkb pro 2 with jp layout on a site with a repuation?
I only saw it on this site http://www.geekstuff4u.com/happy-hacking-keyboard-pro-2-japanese.html#.UVwc4pNBJUU (http://www.geekstuff4u.com/happy-hacking-keyboard-pro-2-japanese.html#.UVwc4pNBJUU) and i never heard of that site so i dont know how reputable this site is.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 03 April 2013, 15:02:11
Does anyone know a way how you can purchase a hhkb pro 2 with jp layout on a site with a repuation?
I only saw it on this site http://www.geekstuff4u.com/happy-hacking-keyboard-pro-2-japanese.html#.UVwc4pNBJUU (http://www.geekstuff4u.com/happy-hacking-keyboard-pro-2-japanese.html#.UVwc4pNBJUU) and i never heard of that site so i dont know how reputable this site is.

Amazon.co.jp (temporarily out of stock) http://www.amazon.co.jp/PFU-Keyboard-Professional-N%E3%82%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E3%82%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC-PD-KB420W/dp/B001KWJTCW/

Buy direct from PFU Fujitsu: http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/direct/hhkb/detail_hhkb-pro-jp.html
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Q404 on Wed, 03 April 2013, 15:41:53
Thanks but i heard that PFU isnt shipping outside of japan.
So i will i think buy it over amazon .
Again thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 03 April 2013, 15:51:30
Amazon.co.jp doesn't ship outside of Japan, directly. Use a forwarding service such as Tenso.com to ship if from Japan to you. :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: phx on Wed, 03 April 2013, 16:02:50
so.............. The 45g uniform is finally in stock
http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless&pid=rf_se0900#

I've been using MX Brown for many years, should I take this giant expensive leap into the world of Topre?

also, 45g or 55g? which is more similar to the brown? also, silence version? what? Topre is already pretty quiet imo
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Q404 on Wed, 03 April 2013, 16:05:15
Oh ok that helps soo much .
Thanks for your help and have a nice day  :D
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Wed, 03 April 2013, 16:15:29
Ohhhhh the white 55g's are back in stock
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: humble on Wed, 03 April 2013, 16:26:11
Could anyone please try stating how useful this variable Topre is? http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=793

The description says the switch weight varies from 55g to 15g. That sounds like a huge difference. How does this work and how would you compare it to the 45g version?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 03 April 2013, 16:28:53
Ohhhhh the white 55g's are back in stock

I can see you making that Arnold face right now.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: phx on Wed, 03 April 2013, 16:30:48
This face perfectly describe my feels right now :-\
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Wed, 03 April 2013, 16:47:48
Ohhhhh the white 55g's are back in stock

I can see you making that Arnold face right now.


You lack discipline!!!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 03 April 2013, 17:52:09
Ohhhhh the white 55g's are back in stock

I can see you making that Arnold face right now.


You lack discipline!!!

There is no bathroom!


Who is your daddy, and what does he do?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Squelos on Wed, 03 April 2013, 18:13:18
Topre always announce a 15g possible difference. But in reality its way lower than that. As you could expect from a premium keyboard.

My guess would be that 45g is closer to browns than 55g's would be.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Wed, 03 April 2013, 19:33:05
so.............. The 45g uniform is finally in stock
http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless&pid=rf_se0900#

I've been using MX Brown for many years, should I take this giant expensive leap into the world of Topre?

also, 45g or 55g? which is more similar to the brown? also, silence version? what? Topre is already pretty quiet imo

I don't have an instrument to test key actuation force. But a 45g Topre switch feels about the same as a Cherry MX brown. I only have one 55g Topre key (my Esc key), and it's definitely stiffer than my 3 year old Das Ultimate with browns.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Wed, 03 April 2013, 19:33:33
Having owned every Cherry switch and both 45g and 55g Topre variants, I can fully confirm that statement.
Title: Re: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Wed, 03 April 2013, 20:26:51
Looks good. Can't wait to get my white 55g that I ordered yesterday. I'm also going to have a black and white one. yay!

Woot...55g bros....I've got a white 55g in the mail too.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Wed, 03 April 2013, 20:32:23
I actually turned my black 55g into a white one... replaced the case and caps. Pretty sure I like the white better than the black.
Title: Re: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Wed, 03 April 2013, 21:22:00
Looks good. Can't wait to get my white 55g that I ordered yesterday. I'm also going to have a black and white one. yay!

Woot...55g bros....I've got a white 55g in the mail too.


Hey 55g bro! I also ordered one ;)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: whiteduck on Wed, 03 April 2013, 21:33:57
I am easily peer pressured... I got a white/grey 55g in the mail as well for my first topre experience...
Broknucks bros
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Wed, 03 April 2013, 21:39:20
I am easily peer pressured... I got a white/grey 55g in the mail as well for my first topre experience...
Broknucks bros


(http://www.maniacworld.com/internet-bro-fist.jpg)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dreamingftw on Thu, 04 April 2013, 15:39:53
Just got my RF 55g in the mail. Not sure if its just me because it almost feels like I'm typing on my 45g.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Thu, 04 April 2013, 15:40:49
Just got my RF 55g in the mail. Not sure if its just me because it almost feels like I'm typing on my 45g.

I have both in front of me and I can notice a big difference. Someone buy my 45g!!!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: phx on Thu, 04 April 2013, 15:47:08
Just got my RF 55g in the mail. Not sure if its just me because it almost feels like I'm typing on my 45g.

I have both in front of me and I can notice a big difference. Someone buy my 45g!!!

color? uniform? price?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Amarok on Thu, 04 April 2013, 16:32:25
Just got my RF 55g in the mail. Not sure if its just me because it almost feels like I'm typing on my 45g.

I have both in front of me and I can notice a big difference. Someone buy my 45g!!!

color? uniform? price?

Black with black on black keys. Uniform 45g. More info + pics here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41573.0
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Flyersfan1 on Fri, 05 April 2013, 08:28:21
I'm so glad I decided to get the 55g when I ordered my first topre just two weeks ago, I find it an absolute pleasure to type/game on. 
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Fri, 05 April 2013, 09:30:16
Yeah, they're pretty magical switches
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Fri, 05 April 2013, 13:25:16
My 55g white RF just arrived via Fedex.....oh ja!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Fri, 05 April 2013, 18:50:13
My 55g white RF just arrived via Fedex.....oh ja!

And? What's the holdup on the status report?! Are you now a 55g fanboy? We expect a full update by the end of the day or there will be consequences. Oh, and don't forget to fill out your TPS reports for Lumbergh.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Fri, 05 April 2013, 22:56:33
After coming from using a buckling spring board for a month straight....55g feels just right.  45g feels way too light now. 

55g pops the switch back up at you instantly.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 05 April 2013, 23:00:33
You finally got a man's board. MAN-HANDS are in your near future.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Sat, 06 April 2013, 05:00:51
After coming from using a buckling spring board for a month straight....55g feels just right.  45g feels way too light now. 

55g pops the switch back up at you instantly.

I'm at a loss to understand this. I use a RF variable...so 30g - 45g. I like it. In fact, I can type faster on it than I can on my HHKB. So why is the 55g the Holy Grail switch weight? Don't misunderstand...I'm open to learn. Only a fool stops learning and assumes he's 'arrived' at the throne of wisdom. I'm seriously wondering what the draw is to the 55g to which you guys seem to gravitate. I've got a buyer for my variable whenever I want to sell it. Convince me why I should sell it and get the 55g.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Sat, 06 April 2013, 05:06:26
After coming from using a buckling spring board for a month straight....55g feels just right.  45g feels way too light now. 

55g pops the switch back up at you instantly.

I'm at a loss to understand this. I use a RF variable...so 30g - 45g. I like it. In fact, I can type faster on it than I can on my HHKB. So why is the 55g the Holy Grail switch weight? Don't misunderstand...I'm open to learn. Only a fool stops learning and assumes he's 'arrived' at the throne of wisdom. I'm seriously wondering what the draw is to the 55g to which you guys seem to gravitate. I've got a buyer for my variable whenever I want to sell it. Convince me why I should sell it and get the 55g.


Consider that possibly he might have tried all of the above? In fact, I am pretty sure he has. as have I. It really depends on your style of typing and if you prefer heavier switches or not. For me, 55g feels much more solid than my HHKB type-s. It just has a heaviness that springs the slider back up with a satisfying feel and sound. Typing on a 45g RF doesn't feel the same as a 55g. You really just need to try one, not much can really be explained when it comes to key feel. And since most people have personal preference based on a lot of factors, actually trying one can be the only answer.
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Sat, 06 April 2013, 09:52:07
You can try it yourself. Your escape key should be 55g.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Sat, 06 April 2013, 10:48:57
Here's my 55g uni all done up.  I'm definitely selling a ton of my boards.  Bye bye KMAC LE, Dolch, etc.

(http://i50.tinypic.com/30rnokk.jpg)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Sat, 06 April 2013, 10:54:39
Dats sexy, bro
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Sat, 06 April 2013, 12:36:59
Very nice. I started out with a black 55g, traded cases with khaangaaroo (sp), and finally got some white caps. White is just so much sexier.
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Acetrak on Sat, 06 April 2013, 14:43:56
I wish HHKB came with 55g D:
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Chase5delta on Sat, 06 April 2013, 14:59:25
To buy a GH60 Or a 55g RF... WAY TOO HARD TO CHOOSE.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: eth0s on Sat, 06 April 2013, 15:02:57
Here's my 55g uni all done up.  I'm definitely selling a ton of my boards.  Bye bye KMAC LE, Dolch, etc.

Show Image
(http://i50.tinypic.com/30rnokk.jpg)


Wow.  Those are some strong feelings of commitment to Topre!  Tope now, Topre tomorrow, Topre forever.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Sat, 06 April 2013, 15:37:30
Been there already. Us Topre fanatics are quite dedicated.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Chase5delta on Sat, 06 April 2013, 15:45:57
Can one of you try to convince me to buy topre? I can't choose between a 55g RF or getting a nice GH 60.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: sth on Sat, 06 April 2013, 15:47:53
both
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Chase5delta on Sat, 06 April 2013, 15:51:32
I don't exactly want to spend roughly 450$ on keyboards atm :P
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: sth on Sat, 06 April 2013, 15:53:52
I don't exactly want to spend roughly 450$ on keyboards atm :P
yes you do stop lying
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Sat, 06 April 2013, 15:55:20
Can one of you try to convince me to buy topre?


Do you like boobs? Do you imagine typing on boobs? That is topre. Enough convincing?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Chase5delta on Sat, 06 April 2013, 15:57:27
I don't exactly want to spend roughly 450$ on keyboards atm :P
yes you do stop lying
Ok, I wouldn't mind spending that much money to get some badass keyboards, but it probably would not be the smartest use of my money :P
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Chase5delta on Sat, 06 April 2013, 15:58:20
Can one of you try to convince me to buy topre?


Do you like boobs? Do you imagine typing on boobs? That is topre. Enough convincing?
Boobs are pretty amazing...
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Sat, 06 April 2013, 21:10:18
After coming from using a buckling spring board for a month straight....55g feels just right.  45g feels way too light now. 

55g pops the switch back up at you instantly.

I'm at a loss to understand this. I use a RF variable...so 30g - 45g. I like it. In fact, I can type faster on it than I can on my HHKB. So why is the 55g the Holy Grail switch weight? Don't misunderstand...I'm open to learn. Only a fool stops learning and assumes he's 'arrived' at the throne of wisdom. I'm seriously wondering what the draw is to the 55g to which you guys seem to gravitate. I've got a buyer for my variable whenever I want to sell it. Convince me why I should sell it and get the 55g.


Consider that possibly he might have tried all of the above? In fact, I am pretty sure he has. as have I. It really depends on your style of typing and if you prefer heavier switches or not. For me, 55g feels much more solid than my HHKB type-s. It just has a heaviness that springs the slider back up with a satisfying feel and sound. Typing on a 45g RF doesn't feel the same as a 55g. You really just need to try one, not much can really be explained when it comes to key feel. And since most people have personal preference based on a lot of factors, actually trying one can be the only answer.

Akimbo and I are Topre Amigos. He's my Topre Bruthafromanuthamotha. I know he has the 45g, which is why I asked for his opinion. Some guys have nothing worthwhile to say, some guys do. I respect his opinion because he's a member of the latter.

Thanks for your input Caps. The reason for my question is because somebody offered to buy my RF silent. I would consider the 45g or 55g uniform to replace it.

My typing style has become considerably lighter since getting the RF variable, and I like the change. My concern is that the 55g would require me to revert back to a heavy handed typing style. The reason I'm considering the 55g is for the increased tactility. I just don't want to have to hammer the keys.

So can you still type on the 55g with fingers? Is there less bottoming out with the 55g over the 45g? I guess I'm just trying to figure out why so many guys have gravitated to the 55g.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: sth on Sat, 06 April 2013, 21:21:49
I guess I'm just trying to figure out why so many guys have gravitated to the 55g.
it's a fad !!
(http://www.starwarsdotcom.com/_games/guess/characters/pix/ackbar1.jpg)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Sat, 06 April 2013, 21:45:04
@Mac: I've encountered that worry from a lot of people regarding the 55g, that it will be some sort of drastic difference from the 45g. While the difference is noticeable, IMO it's still roughly the same as typing on something like blues. Like I mentioned earlier, the escape key on a variable is weighted at 55g, so you can at least get some idea of how it feels.

My personal opinion is that the 45g felt almost loose, like the keys weren't really solid. I find myself typing lighter on the 55g than I did on the 45g because of the increased tactility. However, I've been typing professionally for the last 15 years pretty much every day, on fairly crappy RD over membrane boards (up until late 2010), and have never experienced any wrist or finger pain, so if that's something you have to worry about, then your experience with the 55g may be completely different than mine.

I would suggest you buy one and try it out. There's enough demand for them that you can make almost all your money back on it here in the classifieds, and then just get yourself a 45g and not be out much money.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Sat, 06 April 2013, 21:51:34
After coming from using a buckling spring board for a month straight....55g feels just right.  45g feels way too light now. 

55g pops the switch back up at you instantly.

I'm at a loss to understand this. I use a RF variable...so 30g - 45g. I like it. In fact, I can type faster on it than I can on my HHKB. So why is the 55g the Holy Grail switch weight? Don't misunderstand...I'm open to learn. Only a fool stops learning and assumes he's 'arrived' at the throne of wisdom. I'm seriously wondering what the draw is to the 55g to which you guys seem to gravitate. I've got a buyer for my variable whenever I want to sell it. Convince me why I should sell it and get the 55g.


Consider that possibly he might have tried all of the above? In fact, I am pretty sure he has. as have I. It really depends on your style of typing and if you prefer heavier switches or not. For me, 55g feels much more solid than my HHKB type-s. It just has a heaviness that springs the slider back up with a satisfying feel and sound. Typing on a 45g RF doesn't feel the same as a 55g. You really just need to try one, not much can really be explained when it comes to key feel. And since most people have personal preference based on a lot of factors, actually trying one can be the only answer.

Akimbo and I are Topre Amigos. He's my Topre Bruthafromanuthamotha. I know he has the 45g, which is why I asked for his opinion. Some guys have nothing worthwhile to say, some guys do. I respect his opinion because he's a member of the latter.

Thanks for your input Caps. The reason for my question is because somebody offered to buy my RF silent. I would consider the 45g or 55g uniform to replace it.

My typing style has become considerably lighter since getting the RF variable, and I like the change. My concern is that the 55g would require me to revert back to a heavy handed typing style. The reason I'm considering the 55g is for the increased tactility. I just don't want to have to hammer the keys.

So can you still type on the 55g with fingers? Is there less bottoming out with the 55g over the 45g? I guess I'm just trying to figure out why so many guys have gravitated to the 55g.

55g definitely has an increased tactility compared to 45g.  The best way I can describe the 55g is how the 45g feels fresh out of the box the first few minutes of typing on it.  Maybe that's a crap analogy, but it seems as though the 45g lost some tactility after a few minutes typing. 

You won't be able to fines a 55g topre switch.  There's just too much force required and bottoming out is inevitable. With that said, 55g topre isn't rock hard...it's still light-ish when compared to buckling spring over membrane or pink/black/white alps.

I started out on a uni 45g RF boards then purchased a uni 55g...which I ended up selling to brocaps because it was too heavy for me.  Now, coming straight from buckling spring over membrane....my new 55g feels just right.  Perhaps I just needed time to build up some finger strength before really judging 55g topres? 

If you have the spare change, pick up a 55g uni from EK....you can sell it at a real minimal loss in the off chance that you do not like the switch.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Sat, 06 April 2013, 22:37:08

Akimbo and I are Topre Amigos. He's my Topre Bruthafromanuthamotha. I know he has the 45g, which is why I asked for his opinion. Some guys have nothing worthwhile to say, some guys do. I respect his opinion because he's a member of the latter.

Thanks for your input Caps. The reason for my question is because somebody offered to buy my RF silent. I would consider the 45g or 55g uniform to replace it.

My typing style has become considerably lighter since getting the RF variable, and I like the change. My concern is that the 55g would require me to revert back to a heavy handed typing style. The reason I'm considering the 55g is for the increased tactility. I just don't want to have to hammer the keys.

So can you still type on the 55g with fingers? Is there less bottoming out with the 55g over the 45g? I guess I'm just trying to figure out why so many guys have gravitated to the 55g.


I honestly feel that 55g is the perfect topre weight. Hell, if they had a 65g, I might even try that. I just feel like anything less than 55g really doesn't feel as snappy.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: phetto on Sat, 06 April 2013, 22:40:00
Is there anyone here with a ľTron, and what weight does it have?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Sat, 06 April 2013, 23:39:28
Ok, that helps...thanks guys.

My last question, I promise. Is it relevant to compare Topre's actuation force to Cherry, or are the switches so different, it doesn't apply? The blues are 50g, 60g peak force. (Not sure what 'peak force' means.)

Anyway Daerid, I like blues, and probably more than browns if it weren't for the noise. When somebody first moves to a mechanical board, the 'clack-clack' is novel. Once the novelty wears off, you are left with a loud ass keyboard, which is why I've always said browns were my favorite Cherry switch. Blues certainly are not too heavy. Blues are like a Harley with straight pipes.

Comparing Cherry to Topre is like comparing a Harley to a BMW motorcycle.  :D
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Sun, 07 April 2013, 00:32:11
Very, very true. I meant strictly as to how much perceived force is needed to actuate the switch. 55g topres are much lighter than I thought they were going to be. But the action is still quite crisp.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: MJ45 on Sun, 07 April 2013, 22:22:23
I've been considering a RealForce 87u but I'm torn between 45g uniform vs. a 55g uniform. I have a HHKB Pro 2 and love it for typing but I like my Cherry MX black TKL for gaming but extended typing gets too fatiguing. Would a 55g be a good choice for a all purpose use, since I already have a 45g HHKB. I would appreciate any input from the Topre experts in this thread.   
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Sun, 07 April 2013, 22:54:43
For what you just described a 55g would be perfect.

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lka9rhi8aT1qadbq2o1_400.gif)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: digi on Sun, 07 April 2013, 23:43:46
Cherry Red's are the perfect MX switch for me, I'm thinking I might like the 45g better?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Sun, 07 April 2013, 23:52:53
Yes, probably. They have less tactility than the 55g (at least on the RealForces), and on some keys can feel almost linear
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Mon, 08 April 2013, 01:06:16
Yes, probably. They have less tactility than the 55g (at least on the RealForces), and on some keys can feel almost linear


I truly think Daedrid needs to rename himself to 55g on these forums.
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Mon, 08 April 2013, 01:28:54
I do come off a bit like a zealot, don't I :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Mon, 08 April 2013, 01:37:25
:D
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Mon, 08 April 2013, 12:54:26
We should have forum titles!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Mon, 08 April 2013, 14:06:49
We should have forum titles!


"Daedrid - Master of 55g Topre Switches"
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Mon, 08 April 2013, 15:23:01
2 d's, not 3 ;)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: sth on Mon, 08 April 2013, 15:25:39
Dadedrdidid?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Mon, 08 April 2013, 16:23:59
Dadedrdidid?


Better
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: nar on Mon, 08 April 2013, 19:33:39
Do you know what's better than 55g topres? 55g short throw topres :p
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Mon, 08 April 2013, 19:38:09
Disagree.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: vipjun on Tue, 09 April 2013, 12:49:23
i took the spring from the spacebar and put it on 1 of my 35g keys .  I like that feeling the most.  capacitative switch + a more linear feel.

Any suggestions on how i can do that with a few other keys ? i've checked some hardware stores and cannot find a spring that is light enough on the resistance compared to the one on the spacebar.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: brighenne on Tue, 09 April 2013, 23:50:18
I'm really into my 45g right now, but haven't tried a 55g..someone feel free to let me borrow one :)

I'm curious, daerid/bro caps bro, which mx switches do you like the best?

Edit- Also, where can one grab a 104 uniform?
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Tue, 09 April 2013, 23:56:29
Browns, hands down. Blues are a bit behind browns. But even browns start to make my knuckles sore after a couple hours
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Wed, 10 April 2013, 00:06:21
I'm really into my 45g right now, but haven't tried a 55g..someone feel free to let me borrow one :)

I'm curious, daerid/bro caps bro, which mx switches do you like the best?

Edit- Also, where can one grab a 104 uniform?


Ergo clear is pretty much the only cherry switch I can stand. I don't even use Cherry boards much anymore. With my hhkb at work, and 55g rf at home, no room for a lesser species on my desk :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Wed, 10 April 2013, 01:21:36
Browns, hands down. Blues are a bit behind browns. But even browns start to make my knuckles sore after a couple hours

+1 here.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lazerpointer on Wed, 10 April 2013, 01:38:22
I'm now getting used to the RF 55g. And it just has changed for the better in feel. I may end up modding it with the red thin WASD o-rings.

Edit;
browns are my favorite MX as well. Waiting for the WASD v2 so I can get a barebones one and throw the Vortex caps on it.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Wed, 10 April 2013, 03:03:22
I'm really into my 45g right now, but haven't tried a 55g..someone feel free to let me borrow one :)

I'm curious, daerid/bro caps bro, which mx switches do you like the best?

Edit- Also, where can one grab a 104 uniform?

http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rf104&pid=yk2100

45g uniform. It's the "high-profile" version, but it still has the same 4mm key travel. I think there's another thread around here on it. Not sure if anybody likes it. I didn't read any of the comments about it.
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 10 April 2013, 03:04:45
I'm really into my 45g right now, but haven't tried a 55g..someone feel free to let me borrow one :)

I'm curious, daerid/bro caps bro, which mx switches do you like the best?

Edit- Also, where can one grab a 104 uniform?

http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rf104&pid=yk2100

45g uniform. It's the "high-profile" version, but it still has the same 4mm key travel. I think there's another thread around here on it. Not sure if anybody likes it. I didn't read any of the comments about it.

Sadly that ones already out of stock.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Wed, 10 April 2013, 08:30:17
There is no cheap way to try topres...i'd like to try them out.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lazerpointer on Wed, 10 April 2013, 09:21:51
There is no cheap way to try topres...i'd like to try them out.

About a month ago I bought a type s for 350

A few days ago I sold it for 340

I would call that a negligible difference :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: MJ45 on Wed, 10 April 2013, 09:54:45
I've been considering a RealForce 87u but I'm torn between 45g uniform vs. a 55g uniform. I have a HHKB Pro 2 and love it for typing but I like my Cherry MX black TKL for gaming but extended typing gets too fatiguing. Would a 55g be a good choice for a all purpose use, since I already have a 45g HHKB. I would appreciate any input from the Topre experts in this thread.
After all the input from this thread I ordered a 87u 55g unifrom from EK and can't wait to check it out. I will post later with my feelings after a few a days of use. Thanks to all for the useful info on this thread.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: morpheus on Wed, 10 April 2013, 10:03:42
I've been considering a RealForce 87u but I'm torn between 45g uniform vs. a 55g uniform. I have a HHKB Pro 2 and love it for typing but I like my Cherry MX black TKL for gaming but extended typing gets too fatiguing. Would a 55g be a good choice for a all purpose use, since I already have a 45g HHKB. I would appreciate any input from the Topre experts in this thread.
After all the input from this thread I ordered a 87u 55g unifrom from EK and can't wait to check it out. I will post later with my feelings after a few a days of use. Thanks to all for the useful info on this thread.

Yes, I'm on the verge of getting a Realforce...I would also like to know which feels better. If the 55g causes fatiguing, I probably will get the 45g.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: MJ45 on Wed, 10 April 2013, 10:25:56
I've been considering a RealForce 87u but I'm torn between 45g uniform vs. a 55g uniform. I have a HHKB Pro 2 and love it for typing but I like my Cherry MX black TKL for gaming but extended typing gets too fatiguing. Would a 55g be a good choice for a all purpose use, since I already have a 45g HHKB. I would appreciate any input from the Topre experts in this thread.
After all the input from this thread I ordered a 87u 55g unifrom from EK and can't wait to check it out. I will post later with my feelings after a few a days of use. Thanks to all for the useful info on this thread.

Yes, I'm on the verge of getting a Realforce...I would also like to know which feels better. If the 55g causes fatiguing, I probably will get the 45g.
Since I have a HHKB I use for textual input I think a 55g RealForce will be good for all purpose use like web surfing gaming etc. (I hope)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Wed, 10 April 2013, 10:39:15
Yes, I'm on the verge of getting a Realforce...I would also like to know which feels better. If the 55g causes fatiguing, I probably will get the 45g.

I can see there possibly being a problem with fatigue if you require very light switches, or have some issue with your fingers/knuckles requiring a super light touch. In my personal view though, if you can type all day on browns/blues, then the 55g will be just fine. It mainly depends on how much tactility you prefer. The 55g has a much more crisp and snappy feeling to the key, whereas the 45g is much more subdued (almost linear on some keys).
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: morpheus on Wed, 10 April 2013, 10:51:27
Yes, I'm on the verge of getting a Realforce...I would also like to know which feels better. If the 55g causes fatiguing, I probably will get the 45g.

I can see there possibly being a problem with fatigue if you require very light switches, or have some issue with your fingers/knuckles requiring a super light touch. In my personal view though, if you can type all day on browns/blues, then the 55g will be just fine. It mainly depends on how much tactility you prefer. The 55g has a much more crisp and snappy feeling to the key, whereas the 45g is much more subdued (almost linear on some keys).

I see. My muscle memory is most adjusted to browns/blues, so I guess it should be fine. I tried blacks and they cause me fatigue which is why I don't use it. Buckling Springs, while are insanely fun to type on, also get tiring after typing all day. I think it's because I bottom out quite frequently. Thanks for the advice though!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: nar on Wed, 10 April 2013, 17:25:36
There is no cheap way to try topres...i'd like to try them out.

About a month ago I bought a type s for 350

A few days ago I sold it for 340

I would call that a negligible difference :)

You can also get a few cheap deals for realforces if you buy from Amazon Japan (and use a service like Tenso). Something like a Japanese Layout Beige Topre for $165 shipped or something like that (I think that specific deal has sold out though).
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dreamingftw on Wed, 10 April 2013, 19:04:02
Coming from a 45g to a 55g, the 55g does feel sturdier with better feedback on each key press. I bought my 45g a couple years ago afraid that the 55g might be too heavy. I should've gotten the 55g in the first place because that's where Topre's should be at. Though, I probably would've bought the 45g  just to know how it is. If want to try out topre, go for the 55g. My favorite switch by far right now. Haven't touched an MX switch for a week now and that's a long time for me. lol
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Wed, 10 April 2013, 19:12:01
<evil laugh />
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Wed, 10 April 2013, 19:15:29
<username>daerid-55g</username>
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: babyhands on Wed, 10 April 2013, 19:28:38
Hey guys, I really didn't feel like reading through 12 pages, nor did I think it was acceptable to start a new thread when this exists:
I am a gamer, mostly sc2 (fairly high level, and only getting better) and dota. How are topre's for gaming? I first was interested in mechanical keyboards for the NKRO, because when playing mmo's my old keyboard wouldn't be able to register all of the buttons i was pressing. Any who, I am assuming topre's don't have NKRO? I guess it isn't that big of a deal because now that I play sc2 mainly I don't really need it, but this still stands, how do you guys feel they are for gaming? Also, maybe its just me, but in the pictures the f keys look kinda far away from the number row. As my username suggests, I do have small hands, and like my keybinds as close together as possible, so are the f keys really farther away than normal keyboards (like the ducky TKL i am typing on right now), or is it just the pictures? Also, people say these boards feel like a high quality rubber dome, but that just doesn't make sense to me. The reason I like my cherry browns and blues so much is because they are almost crispy, they almost feel magnetic if that makes sense? Rubber domes are the opposite, and I am hoping Topres aren't like rubber domes, but instead they have a super crisp, tactile, feel like browns and blues?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Wed, 10 April 2013, 19:37:13
Ok daerid and Caps, knock it off. You're breeding discontent among us variable boys. I can see this may come down to an Anchorman street fight...

Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Wed, 10 April 2013, 20:26:03
55g 4LYF3!!!!!
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 10 April 2013, 20:35:51
Also, people say these boards feel like a high quality rubber dome, but that just doesn't make sense to me. The reason I like my cherry browns and blues so much is because they are almost crispy, they almost feel magnetic if that makes sense? Rubber domes are the opposite, and I am hoping Topres aren't like rubber domes, but instead they have a super crisp, tactile, feel like browns and blues?

They say that, because it's true. Hope all you want. If you don't want to feel like you are typing on the best quality, smoothest feeling rubber dome you ever tried, don't get a Topre. The rubber dome, er cup, is what gives a Topre switch its tactile feeling and all of its mechanical action. The coiled spring is only there to provide capacitance for the electrical circuit.

I'm not hating!

You could give Topre a try. You might like it. You might even love it. You probably won't hate it. But it doesn't feel anything at all like a Cherry MX switch, brown or otherwise.

I now return you to the Topre worshippers club. :D
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Thu, 11 April 2013, 04:43:06
God, I f*cking love my Topre. Its super silky key travel, and overall superior build quality of the switches is letting me type more accurately. Definitely upping my WPMs in typeracer. I just recently typed my best tonight at 138WPM.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img5/3479/typeracer138wpmcropped.jpg)

I don't know about you folks with the 55g Topres. I find the 45g to be just perfect. :p
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Thu, 11 April 2013, 05:21:43
God, I f*cking love my Topre. Its super silky key travel, and overall superior build quality of the switches is letting me type more accurately. Definitely upping my WPMs in typeracer. I just recently typed my best tonight at 138WPM.

Show Image
(http://imageshack.us/a/img5/3479/typeracer138wpmcropped.jpg)


I don't know about you folks with the 55g Topres. I find the 45g to be just perfect. :p

You know, I'm so friggin happy with my RF variable, I'm wondering what all these 55g troublemakers are squalling about. With that said, all this squalling makes me want to try a 55g board.

I remember when I dated Terry. It was the best EVER! Then I met Cheryl, who could suck the chrome off a trailer hitch, and 'insisted' on doing so. Driving, bathroom at a get-together (that's a 'party' for you young trout sniffers), tent camping, wherever. She wasn't happy unless I reached the goal in the place through which she spoke. Well, obviously my benchmark for 'perfect' was reset at that point.

My point is...never think you've arrived at the 'perfect' place. It's only 'perfect' at that point in time because you've not had better...yet.

Never stop seeking...but while seeking, always be happy with what you have. Contentment is a choice, not a reaction.   :D
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Thu, 11 April 2013, 06:00:41
Haha... YES, it is a choice! And I choose to keep my 45g.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: morpheus on Thu, 11 April 2013, 10:21:11
Coming from a 45g to a 55g, the 55g does feel sturdier with better feedback on each key press. I bought my 45g a couple years ago afraid that the 55g might be too heavy. I should've gotten the 55g in the first place because that's where Topre's should be at. Though, I probably would've bought the 45g  just to know how it is. If want to try out topre, go for the 55g. My favorite switch by far right now. Haven't touched an MX switch for a week now and that's a long time for me. lol

Just a few questions (anybody can answer this for me)...

1. Are you a heavy handed typist?
2. What is the difference in feeling between a 45g and 55g? Is there a lot of difference?
3. Did you experience any fatigue with the 55g?
4. Is it as stiff as the Cherry Blacks?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Thu, 11 April 2013, 10:23:53
Coming from a 45g to a 55g, the 55g does feel sturdier with better feedback on each key press. I bought my 45g a couple years ago afraid that the 55g might be too heavy. I should've gotten the 55g in the first place because that's where Topre's should be at. Though, I probably would've bought the 45g  just to know how it is. If want to try out topre, go for the 55g. My favorite switch by far right now. Haven't touched an MX switch for a week now and that's a long time for me. lol

Just a few questions (anybody can answer this for me)...

1. Are you a heavy handed typist?
2. What is the difference in feeling between a 45g and 55g? Is there a lot of difference?
3. Did you experience any fatigue with the 55g?
4. Is it as stiff as the Cherry Blacks?

Thanks.


1. Yes, but felt more fatigue with cherry MX blacks
2. 55g is snappier. The higher pressure pops back fast and strong after depression, I think this might be what reduces fatigue for me
3. None
4. No, I don't think it is. Even in actual pressure weight, it is not (spring weight vs rubber resistance value)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: morpheus on Thu, 11 April 2013, 10:32:44
Coming from a 45g to a 55g, the 55g does feel sturdier with better feedback on each key press. I bought my 45g a couple years ago afraid that the 55g might be too heavy. I should've gotten the 55g in the first place because that's where Topre's should be at. Though, I probably would've bought the 45g  just to know how it is. If want to try out topre, go for the 55g. My favorite switch by far right now. Haven't touched an MX switch for a week now and that's a long time for me. lol

Just a few questions (anybody can answer this for me)...

1. Are you a heavy handed typist?
2. What is the difference in feeling between a 45g and 55g? Is there a lot of difference?
3. Did you experience any fatigue with the 55g?
4. Is it as stiff as the Cherry Blacks?

Thanks.


1. Yes, but felt more fatigue with cherry MX blacks
2. 55g is snappier. The higher pressure pops back fast and strong after depression, I think this might be what reduces fatigue for me
3. None
4. No, I don't think it is. Even in actual pressure weight, it is not (spring weight vs rubber resistance value)

1. I'm not a heavy handed typist by any means. I do bottom out frequently. Will it be hard for me to adjust coming from Browns and Blues?
2. How is the initial depression of the key on the 55g? Is there a lot more resistance than let's say the Cherry Browns or Blues?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Thu, 11 April 2013, 10:35:33
Coming from a 45g to a 55g, the 55g does feel sturdier with better feedback on each key press. I bought my 45g a couple years ago afraid that the 55g might be too heavy. I should've gotten the 55g in the first place because that's where Topre's should be at. Though, I probably would've bought the 45g  just to know how it is. If want to try out topre, go for the 55g. My favorite switch by far right now. Haven't touched an MX switch for a week now and that's a long time for me. lol

Just a few questions (anybody can answer this for me)...

1. Are you a heavy handed typist?
2. What is the difference in feeling between a 45g and 55g? Is there a lot of difference?
3. Did you experience any fatigue with the 55g?
4. Is it as stiff as the Cherry Blacks?

Thanks.


1. Yes, but felt more fatigue with cherry MX blacks
2. 55g is snappier. The higher pressure pops back fast and strong after depression, I think this might be what reduces fatigue for me
3. None
4. No, I don't think it is. Even in actual pressure weight, it is not (spring weight vs rubber resistance value)

1. I'm not a heavy handed typist by any means. I do bottom out frequently. Will it be hard for me to adjust coming from Browns and Blues?
2. How is the initial depression of the key on the 55g? Is there a lot more resistance than let's say the Cherry Browns or Blues?


Definitely more than blues and browns, but not by much. I switch between 45g hhkb and 55g RF on a daily basis. I actually appreciate the higher pressure from the 55g for long periods of typing.


I am sure my case isn't the same as everyone else's, but you could definitely pick up a 55g, try it out, and if you don't like it, sell it again for minimal loss.
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Halverson on Thu, 11 April 2013, 10:38:30
Anyone here rock uniform 30g?

I tried one and for some reason loved it.
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Atakp on Thu, 11 April 2013, 11:15:30
Anyone here rock uniform 30g?

I tried one and for some reason loved it.

I used my 89s almost exclusively for a few months and enjoyed it for the most part, but it hasn't seen much desk time since I got the hhkb
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: ktownhero on Thu, 11 April 2013, 12:53:26
Well, it's been a few weeks of using my 87U Silent full-time, coding all day.  I absolutely love this keyboard, even though it's quiet, the muddled "clunk" of each key press is satisfying.  But, most importantly, I haven't had the slightest bit of hand fatigue even after writing Java code for 8+ hours at a time. 

I'd love to get one of these at home, for sure.  I'm tempted to try a HHKB, but I'm a little worried about the different layout and how I'll adapt to that.  I do use Vi all day, so the layout is ideal for that, but at the same time I'm just not sure how I feel about non-standard layouts in general. 

My only complaint with the Realforce board is the seemingly narrow shape of the keys.  That's only if a gun was put to my head and I had to come up with something to complain about, it's ultimately not that big of a deal.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: morpheus on Fri, 12 April 2013, 11:16:25
These videos convince me more than ever to get a 55g...as you can see, the 45g does seem a bit mushy compared to the 55g, which doesn't seem that fatiguing here.

55g

Variable/45g?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dreamingftw on Fri, 12 April 2013, 13:40:04
55g hits the spot.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Fri, 12 April 2013, 14:00:14
These videos convince me more than ever to get a 55g...as you can see, the 45g does seem a bit mushy compared to the 55g, which doesn't seem that fatiguing here.

55g

Variable/45g?

Go for it!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 12 April 2013, 15:06:02
My biggest interest, is that the space bar might be PBT, like the other newer leopold space bars. If they would just come out with a white version....
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jwaz on Fri, 12 April 2013, 15:09:17
My biggest interest, is that the space bar might be PBT, like the other newer leopold space bars. If they would just come out with a white version....

$175 spacebar :D
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 12 April 2013, 15:10:04
My biggest interest, is that the space bar might be PBT, like the other newer leopold space bars. If they would just come out with a white version....

$175 spacebar :D


Dang I put this in the wrong thread lol
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: noons on Fri, 12 April 2013, 16:44:40
So I just got my realforce 87u 45g keyboard in the mail today. I love it! The HHKB that I owned briefly I loved as well, but the layout just wasn't for me. This keyboard honestly is perfect for me :D. I know a bunch of you are talking about 55g, but I cant imagine anything heavier these keys feel perfect.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 12 April 2013, 16:47:34
http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667 (http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667)

this could be my first future topre board.

opinions from you topre users?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: noons on Fri, 12 April 2013, 17:13:41
http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667 (http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667)

this could be my first future topre board.

opinions from you topre users?

Meh, I think at that point I would rather just use an HHKB (layout wise). Any idea on what the price will be?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 12 April 2013, 17:15:24
http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667 (http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667)

this could be my first future topre board.

opinions from you topre users?


Can't really comment on a product I haven't used, and nobody here has, yet :P


Also, for the price ($160USD), it's an amazing deal. Nice layout, too
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 12 April 2013, 17:18:08
http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667 (http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667)

this could be my first future topre board.

opinions from you topre users?

Meh, I think at that point I would rather just use an HHKB (layout wise). Any idea on what the price will be?

$160-$170 i believe. i am a fan of 60% boards, so this is similar i guess..more close to a 60% rather an a (hideous imo) 75% layout.

http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667 (http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667)

this could be my first future topre board.

opinions from you topre users?


Can't really comment on a product I haven't used, and nobody here has, yet :P


Also, for the price ($160USD), it's an amazing deal. Nice layout, too

if only i could change those two buttons to PGUP and PGDN...
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lazerpointer on Fri, 12 April 2013, 17:20:15
Awesome layout.
Awesome price.
Awesome switch technology.
Awesome coloring / caps.
Meh, 45g.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 12 April 2013, 17:21:26

Meh, 45g.


My sentiments exactly. But still might pick one up.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 12 April 2013, 17:24:45

Meh, 45g.


My sentiments exactly. But still might pick one up.

i am assuming 55g is popular?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 12 April 2013, 17:37:18

Meh, 45g.


My sentiments exactly. But still might pick one up.

i am assuming 55g is popular?


I don't know that it's popular, but most people who like topre, usually stick with 55g once they try it.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Fri, 12 April 2013, 18:41:03
Holy crap....when did that new topre board come out?  Looks tasty.

I'm not a huge fan of the layout though.

Do you think it has a metal or plastic plate?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 12 April 2013, 19:01:44
might hold off then.. i don't know if i would even like topres to begin with

just an option considering the price.

hopefully will get to try a topre board out at the NYC meetup!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Fri, 12 April 2013, 22:08:49
Well, I couldn't stand the curiosity any longer. I just ordered a 55g TKL.  :confused:
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 12 April 2013, 22:24:08
Well, I couldn't stand the curiosity any longer. I just ordered a 55g TKL.  :confused:

Good call, it's my favorite topre and I don't regret the purchase.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Fri, 12 April 2013, 22:50:25
Nice. Congrats on your 55g purchase, Macsmasher!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Fri, 12 April 2013, 22:50:53
By the way, that Leopold with Topre switches looks sweeeeeeeeeet.
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Fri, 12 April 2013, 23:31:03
<evil laugh />

One by one....
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Sat, 13 April 2013, 00:15:10
<evil laugh />

One by one....

Yes, I blame you. I've now spend about 1k on boards in five months lol.
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Sat, 13 April 2013, 01:23:30
That's not too bad. I think I was about $1200 at the same point. Then a year after that I was up to about $3k or so. And it's only going up from there.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: morpheus on Sat, 13 April 2013, 06:32:01
Is it just me or do Topres sound and feel similar to Browns?

Especially the modifier keys, they sound almost the same to me.

It will probably replace my browns once I get it, but will it replace my browns totally? Perhaps not.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: noons on Sat, 13 April 2013, 11:10:20
Is it just me or do Topres sound and feel similar to Browns?

Especially the modifier keys, they sound almost the same to me.

It will probably replace my browns once I get it, but will it replace my browns totally? Perhaps not.

Yea they sort of do, maybe a little thicker sound if that makes any sense. Honestly if you love cherry Browns I really think you will love topre even more. Out of MX blues, browns, reds, browns were my favorite switch up until I tried topre. Although I still love typing on my browns (use them at work all day) topre is a nice more refined switch. It feels equally as light and just feels more rewarding with every keypress. Plus the building quality of the realforces and even the HHKB is top notch, you really get what you pay for.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Sat, 13 April 2013, 16:37:00
Is it just me or do Topres sound and feel similar to Browns?

Especially the modifier keys, they sound almost the same to me.

It will probably replace my browns once I get it, but will it replace my browns totally? Perhaps not.

The sound is much less harsh than Cherry. And the feel is much more refined. Subaru and Audi are both AWD and get you from here to there. The Subaru is a great car. But when you drive the Audi, you can tell that you're driving a higher level of engineering.

You will soon see Grasshoppa. Only then will you be able to become one with Topre.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: MJ45 on Sun, 14 April 2013, 10:29:29
Well, I couldn't stand the curiosity any longer. I just ordered a 55g TKL.  :confused:
I'm also awaiting a 55g uniform from EK, seems that 55g been a hot topic lately. When mine comes in I will use it for a few days to a week and post my feelings on the board, and if was the right one for me.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: noons on Sun, 14 April 2013, 12:00:31
All I know is I am loving my realforce 45g!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lazerpointer on Sun, 14 April 2013, 13:26:08
Confucius say, if you wash you hans everytime before use Topre, you are enlightened with the oneness of the cup rubber.

Edit;
and clip nails often.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Sun, 14 April 2013, 16:33:39
and clip nails often.

TRUTH
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Sun, 14 April 2013, 22:54:01
and clip nails often.

TRUTH

No joke. I trim my nails twice a week. As soon as they begin to touch while typing, they have to get cut. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: birthdaymonkey on Tue, 16 April 2013, 12:35:19
Finally got all the keys swapped between my 45g white board and 55g black. I think they both look more interesting than the originals:

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I think I'll probably sell the 45g. I just don't have a use for a second Realforce at the moment. Now I gotta get my post count up enough to post in the classifieds forum.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: brighenne on Tue, 16 April 2013, 20:53:35
and clip nails often.

TRUTH

No joke. I trim my nails twice a week. As soon as they begin to touch while typing, they have to get cut. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard.

This makes me feel so much better that I'm not the only one hahaha.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:10:00
Bumping this for tp4tissue.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:12:23
Bumping this for tp4tissue.

Read my first comment..

I don't hate topre.. I hate YOU....
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:13:13


I don't hate topre.. I hate YOU....


Welcome to the realm of I could care less.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:14:27


I don't hate topre.. I hate YOU....


Welcome to the realm of I could care less.

I can tell you care.. in fact you care "LOTS" you just can't stop yourself from talking to me..

Is this love? do you love me that.. much?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:16:17


I can tell you care.. in fact you care "LOTS" you just can't stop yourself from talking to me..

Is this love? do you love me that.. much?


Watching you rage is entertaining. But I could care less of your opinion of me. But please, continue entertaining me.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:18:29


I don't hate topre.. I hate YOU....


Welcome to the realm of I could care less.

I can tell you care.. in fact you care "LOTS" you just can't stop yourself from talking to me..

Is this love? do you love me that.. much?

Aren't the lyrics "Is this love that I'm feeling?"
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:19:13


I can tell you care.. in fact you care "LOTS" you just can't stop yourself from talking to me..

Is this love? do you love me that.. much?


Watching you rage is entertaining. But I could care less of your opinion of me. But please, continue entertaining me.

You can't turn this around bro-cap.. you've already lost the argument..

denying the loss further wouldn't make it any less demeaning..


There's no CROWD to be won here.. just you and me..

Just lie down and die. "bro.."
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:20:18


I don't hate topre.. I hate YOU....


Welcome to the realm of I could care less.

I can tell you care.. in fact you care "LOTS" you just can't stop yourself from talking to me..

Is this love? do you love me that.. much?

Aren't the lyrics "Is this love that I'm feeling?"

what up caustin, i'm surprised you didn't try to gang up on me with bro cap. but be warned, it's futile
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:21:48


You can't turn this around bro-cap.. you've already lost the argument..

denying the loss further wouldn't make it any less demeaning..


There's no CROWD to be won here.. just you and me..

Just lie down and die. "bro.."


Sorry, what did you win, exactly? Is that a self-appointed trophy you are donning for an argument that doesn't exist? Was your argument that I am a circle jerker for topre? I fail to see where that came from.


What the truth here is, is that you are an angry child with mental issues. You should really speak to a psychiatrist about that. You have a social disorder of the highest magnitude.


Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:28:42


You can't turn this around bro-cap.. you've already lost the argument..

denying the loss further wouldn't make it any less demeaning..


There's no CROWD to be won here.. just you and me..

Just lie down and die. "bro.."


Sorry, what did you win, exactly? Is that a self-appointed trophy you are donning for an argument that doesn't exist? Was your argument that I am a circle jerker for topre? I fail to see where that came from.


What the truth here is, is that you are an angry child with mental issues. You should really speak to a psychiatrist about that. You have a social disorder of the highest magnitude.




Nope no trophy..

and if i were someone with mental issue.. what does that make you.. the bully that proded the mental kid till he went insane, and killed himself..

How does that make you a better person..? LOL, now you're just revealing yourself to be a complete as$h0le

Luckily for you.  :D I am not that easily distressed.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: sth on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:30:33
(http://i.imgur.com/5J8oEDz.gif)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:32:20


Nope no trophy..

and if i were someone with mental issue.. what does that make you.. the bully that proded the mental kid till he went insane, and killed himself..

How does that make you a better person..? LOL, now you're just revealing yourself to be a complete as$h0le

Luckily for you.  :D I am not that easily distressed.


If you are capable of entering an internet forum and raging at people, then you aren't that mental. You just have severe social disorders. Maybe you were abused physically, mentally, I don't know.


Only you can answer that. But it's pretty obvious you DO get distressed, and you ARE angry.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:33:28


Nope no trophy..

and if i were someone with mental issue.. what does that make you.. the bully that proded the mental kid till he went insane, and killed himself..

How does that make you a better person..? LOL, now you're just revealing yourself to be a complete as$h0le

Luckily for you.  :D I am not that easily distressed.


If you are capable of entering an internet forum and raging at people, then you aren't that mental. You just have severe social disorders. Maybe you were abused physically, mentally, I don't know.


Only you can answer that. But it's pretty obvious you DO get distressed, and you ARE angry.

ok. so am I or am i not mental.. get your story straight.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:34:34


ok. so am I or am i not mental.. get your story straight.


I guess we can add lack of reading comprehension to your list of problems.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Lmnr on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:36:41
This here reminds me of when Ripster used to piss people off. :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:38:22
This here reminds me of when Ripster used to piss people off. :)


The primary difference between tp4 and ripster is that ripster was actually useful, knowledgeable and made sense.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:39:40
This here reminds me of when Ripster used to piss people off. :)

I'm not pissed at Bro Cap, he's been imagining it..

But I will squash all attitude towards the line of Topre is Better than MX..

If anyone makes a thread MX better than Topre, "a real one" not one just to spite me.. Brocaps- looking at you..

Then I'd say the same thing about MX not being better than topre.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:41:19


I don't hate topre.. I hate YOU....


Welcome to the realm of I could care less.

I can tell you care.. in fact you care "LOTS" you just can't stop yourself from talking to me..

Is this love? do you love me that.. much?

Aren't the lyrics "Is this love that I'm feeling?"

what up caustin, i'm surprised you didn't try to gang up on me with bro cap. but be warned, it's futile

That would imply that I thought you were close enough to a real point to necessitate a response other than turning your words into Whitesnake lyrics.

kthx

Also, you're boring.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:43:20


I don't hate topre.. I hate YOU....


Welcome to the realm of I could care less.

I can tell you care.. in fact you care "LOTS" you just can't stop yourself from talking to me..

Is this love? do you love me that.. much?

Aren't the lyrics "Is this love that I'm feeling?"

what up caustin, i'm surprised you didn't try to gang up on me with bro cap. but be warned, it's futile

That would imply that I thought you were close enough to a real point to necessitate a response other than turning your words into Whitesnake lyrics.

kthx

Also, you're boring.

Glad you found that arguing with me can only result in a loss.. but you've lost this time because you didn't even try.. and now you go make a losers post about it.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:46:59


Glad you found that arguing with me can only result in a loss.. but you've lost this time because you didn't even try.. and now you go make a losers post about it.


If someone stops arguing with you, it's not a victory for you, it's them realizing that arguing with the mentally challenged is a shallow victory.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: sth on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:47:34


Glad you found that arguing with me can only result in a loss.. but you've lost this time because you didn't even try.. and now you go make a losers post about it.


If someone stops arguing with you, it's not a victory for you, it's them realizing that arguing with the mentally challenged is a shallow victory.
and yet...
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:48:41

and yet...


Oh ****, the voice of reason appears.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:50:22


Glad you found that arguing with me can only result in a loss.. but you've lost this time because you didn't even try.. and now you go make a losers post about it.


If someone stops arguing with you, it's not a victory for you, it's them realizing that arguing with the mentally challenged is a shallow victory.

not on the internet.. if you stop talking you lose.

 also brb, i gotta watch the Big Bang Theory.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 03 May 2013, 00:51:58


I don't hate topre.. I hate YOU....


Welcome to the realm of I could care less.

I can tell you care.. in fact you care "LOTS" you just can't stop yourself from talking to me..

Is this love? do you love me that.. much?

Aren't the lyrics "Is this love that I'm feeling?"

what up caustin, i'm surprised you didn't try to gang up on me with bro cap. but be warned, it's futile

That would imply that I thought you were close enough to a real point to necessitate a response other than turning your words into Whitesnake lyrics.

kthx

Also, you're boring.

Glad you found that arguing with me can only result in a loss.. but you've lost this time because you didn't even try.. and now you go make a losers post about it.

Get a pet or something, this is boring.



Glad you found that arguing with me can only result in a loss.. but you've lost this time because you didn't even try.. and now you go make a losers post about it.


If someone stops arguing with you, it's not a victory for you, it's them realizing that arguing with the mentally challenged is a shallow victory.

not on the internet.. if you stop talking you lose.

 also brb, i gotta watch the Big Bang Theory.

So by your own words, you just lost, right?  I mean, you stopped talking.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: eth0s on Fri, 03 May 2013, 01:01:18
Why does tp4tissue post on this forum?

He doesn't like anybody here. 

He hates Clacks.

He doesn't even like keyboards.

What is the point?

Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 01:09:33


I don't hate topre.. I hate YOU....


Welcome to the realm of I could care less.

I can tell you care.. in fact you care "LOTS" you just can't stop yourself from talking to me..

Is this love? do you love me that.. much?

Aren't the lyrics "Is this love that I'm feeling?"

what up caustin, i'm surprised you didn't try to gang up on me with bro cap. but be warned, it's futile

That would imply that I thought you were close enough to a real point to necessitate a response other than turning your words into Whitesnake lyrics.

kthx

Also, you're boring.

Glad you found that arguing with me can only result in a loss.. but you've lost this time because you didn't even try.. and now you go make a losers post about it.

Get a pet or something, this is boring.



Glad you found that arguing with me can only result in a loss.. but you've lost this time because you didn't even try.. and now you go make a losers post about it.


If someone stops arguing with you, it's not a victory for you, it's them realizing that arguing with the mentally challenged is a shallow victory.

not on the internet.. if you stop talking you lose.

 also brb, i gotta watch the Big Bang Theory.

So by your own words, you just lost, right?  I mean, you stopped talking.

LOL, sorry cuastin, no technical knockout for you.. I paused talking to watch Big bang theory.. you're allowed to pause on the internet.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 01:13:20
Why does tp4tissue post on this forum?

He doesn't like anybody here. 

He hates Clacks.

He doesn't even like keyboards.

What is the point?



I don't like keyboards?

I LOVE keyboards.. it is a necessary component of being on the internet.

I'm cool with several GH members.. I don't shout it form the rooftops because I assume most of them are guys, and there's an implied no-homo regulation.


I don't hate Clack.. I don't think much of his work, but I got nothing against the guy himself. :D
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 03 May 2013, 02:19:27
Express your love for all things Topre here!

???
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Fri, 03 May 2013, 03:37:13
I cuddle at night with my three Topre boards. They quietly sing me to sleep. If I wake during the night, I simply fumble in the dark until I reach one and press a few keys. The 'thock' reassures me that the planets are in alignment and all is good. I fall back asleep with a smile on my face.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 03:42:23
I cuddle at night with my three Topre boards. They quietly sing me to sleep. If I wake during the night, I simply fumble in the dark until I reach one and press a few keys. The 'thock' reassures me that the planets are in alignment and all is good. I fall back asleep with a smile on my face.

well, some people find love, you've found a keyboard.. that's probably close enough..
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Fri, 03 May 2013, 04:03:26
I cuddle at night with my three Topre boards. They quietly sing me to sleep. If I wake during the night, I simply fumble in the dark until I reach one and press a few keys. The 'thock' reassures me that the planets are in alignment and all is good. I fall back asleep with a smile on my face.

well, some people find love, you've found a keyboard.. that's probably close enough..

Since I'm on my soon-to-be-over second marriage, that's probably a good assessment.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 04:06:22
I cuddle at night with my three Topre boards. They quietly sing me to sleep. If I wake during the night, I simply fumble in the dark until I reach one and press a few keys. The 'thock' reassures me that the planets are in alignment and all is good. I fall back asleep with a smile on my face.

well, some people find love, you've found a keyboard.. that's probably close enough..

Since I'm on my soon-to-be-over second marriage, that's probably a good assessment.

I heard divorce can only be good from Louis CK.. How many kids you got.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: BearHug on Fri, 03 May 2013, 04:28:31
I ****ing love my HHKB. I tried going back to my noppoo choc mini with browns the other day, nowhere close in typing feel!
I even use HHKB for Dota, for FPS games though i go back to cherry reds.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Yuuki on Fri, 03 May 2013, 09:06:05
I saw an IC for hhkb metal case. I wonder if there is a similar project for rf 87 models (beside the digilog one or the more-like-wrist-rest one). Anyone knows ?
Title: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Trev on Fri, 03 May 2013, 09:29:13
I saw an IC for hhkb metal case. I wonder if there is a similar project for rf 87 models (beside the digilog one or the more-like-wrist-rest one). Anyone knows ?
I'd be down for an 87u case for sure.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: geminimech on Fri, 03 May 2013, 09:34:17
Going broke on Topre's.  Just ordered an FC660C in the group buy, Woo!

Watch EK start stocking them next week, that would be the sux.

Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: digi on Fri, 03 May 2013, 11:28:21
Thanks again Akimbo for the board, I think 45g is just right for me. I was worried that the lime green caps would be too bright since they look super bright in most pics but when the board is just sitting in the office, it looks great.

(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/djdigi44/topre_zps104c7f63.jpg)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Macsmasher on Fri, 03 May 2013, 15:46:31
I cuddle at night with my three Topre boards. They quietly sing me to sleep. If I wake during the night, I simply fumble in the dark until I reach one and press a few keys. The 'thock' reassures me that the planets are in alignment and all is good. I fall back asleep with a smile on my face.

well, some people find love, you've found a keyboard.. that's probably close enough..

Since I'm on my soon-to-be-over second marriage, that's probably a good assessment.

I heard divorce can only be good from Louis CK.. How many kids you got.

Four, but the youngest is 19. Only two live at home.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 May 2013, 15:49:57
I cuddle at night with my three Topre boards. They quietly sing me to sleep. If I wake during the night, I simply fumble in the dark until I reach one and press a few keys. The 'thock' reassures me that the planets are in alignment and all is good. I fall back asleep with a smile on my face.

well, some people find love, you've found a keyboard.. that's probably close enough..

Since I'm on my soon-to-be-over second marriage, that's probably a good assessment.

I heard divorce can only be good from Louis CK.. How many kids you got.

Four, but the youngest is 19. Only two live at home.

wow.. congratulations on the divorce then.. you're completely DONE... divorce is just perfect now, cuz you'll be free to do whatevers//whenevers

I mean wow, 4 kids over 18.. mission complete
Title: Re: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tipo33 on Sun, 05 May 2013, 07:19:54
I saw an IC for hhkb metal case. I wonder if there is a similar project for rf 87 models (beside the digilog one or the more-like-wrist-rest one). Anyone knows ?
I'd be down for an 87u case for sure.
There were metal Realforce TKL cases on ebay a while ago.  They were 500 USD though.   I'll see if I can't find a link or pic.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Sun, 05 May 2013, 07:55:28
Thanks again Akimbo for the board, I think 45g is just right for me. I was worried that the lime green caps would be too bright since they look super bright in most pics but when the board is just sitting in the office, it looks great.

Show Image
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/djdigi44/topre_zps104c7f63.jpg)


That's quite nice. Makes me regret my set of Orange keycaps.

Then again, I'll need to pick up a set of Korean Topre keycaps anyway (which only come in either black or white), so I don't feel as bad. But, the green looks good.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Sniping on Sun, 05 May 2013, 10:13:20
If the RF cases were $500 does anyone know how much does a HHKB HG goes for?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tribade on Sun, 05 May 2013, 15:00:07
Just figured I'd chime in here, too.  I love my HHKB.  Wouldn't part with it for the world.  Although I am looking to get back into Cherry switches as well.  I like them quite a lot too.  But that 'thock' is so comforting, isn't it? ;D
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: sth on Sun, 05 May 2013, 15:15:49
Thanks again Akimbo for the board, I think 45g is just right for me. I was worried that the lime green caps would be too bright since they look super bright in most pics but when the board is just sitting in the office, it looks great.

Show Image
(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/djdigi44/topre_zps104c7f63.jpg)

if you ever want to try blank blue keys instead, let me know. i've been wanting to trade for a lime green set for a while :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: MJ45 on Mon, 06 May 2013, 01:41:37
If the RF cases were $500 does anyone know how much does a HHKB HG goes for?
When the HHKB Pro HG was available in 2006 it was around $2700 and the HHKB Pro HG Japan with the lacquer & gold dust keys was around $5400. Guinness world records lists it as most expensive keyboard. Probably unobtainable for any price today I'd guess, not that many were made the PFU website I saw said 100. A link I have is ( http://pinchocodia.tistory.com/156 ). 
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: rebcabin2 on Mon, 06 May 2013, 09:30:28
Thanks again Akimbo for the board, I think 45g is just right for me. I was worried that the lime green caps would be too bright since they look super bright in most pics but when the board is just sitting in the office, it looks great.

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non-printed keycaps on my various realforce boards are great for scaring the other children.  the look on people's faces when i sit down at a laptops-open meeting and whip out a blanked board and plunk it on top of the laptop ... priceless.  The subsequent looks when i start clacking away at 130 bpm, and I just give them a return look with a giant what-me-worry grin -- beyond priceless.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tns on Mon, 17 June 2013, 11:03:53
How/where can I have a list of Realforce keyboard existing or maybe should I say how to know its caracteristics?

like by having a name knowing its size/model/weight?
color?

Edit:
I guess I've kind of found what I wanted
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Realforce
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: WhiteFireDragon on Mon, 24 June 2013, 16:15:38
*oops wrong thread*
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: take on Mon, 24 June 2013, 18:06:48
best keyboards. other, lesser switches are mad.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 24 June 2013, 18:19:55
So far I am liking my HHKB 2 Pro so far.  Topre is sweet, and excellent to type on.  The layout is taking some getting used to though.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: knotra on Mon, 24 June 2013, 18:45:38
TJ - Get a 55g. I promise you, that is the epitome of Topre switches.

is a 55g topre heavier than a cherry mx blue switch?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Sniping on Mon, 24 June 2013, 19:33:57
TJ - Get a 55g. I promise you, that is the epitome of Topre switches.

is a 55g topre heavier than a cherry mx blue switch?

I do believe that blues are heavier.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 24 June 2013, 19:57:14
MX blue is 50g, so theoretically Topre is slightly heavier.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Sniping on Mon, 24 June 2013, 20:38:57
MX blue is 50g, so theoretically Topre is slightly heavier.

Isn't 50g just actuation?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 24 June 2013, 20:42:21
Er, isn't that what was asked?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Sniping on Mon, 24 June 2013, 21:15:11
Er, isn't that what was asked?

I'm pretty sure the weighting measurement on Topres aren't the same as Cherry ratings.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: anticorrelator on Mon, 24 June 2013, 21:57:56
So far I am liking my HHKB 2 Pro so far.  Topre is sweet, and excellent to type on.  The layout is taking some getting used to though.

I totally agree. Though now that I'm used to the hhkb layout I'm broken for all other keyboards forever.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 24 June 2013, 22:40:17
So far I am liking my HHKB 2 Pro so far.  Topre is sweet, and excellent to type on.  The layout is taking some getting used to though.

I totally agree. Though now that I'm used to the hhkb layout I'm broken for all other keyboards forever.

How long did it take you to get used to the layout?

I'm struggling a bit, as the key combination to move cursor to beginning of line on Mac is Command-Left arrow, which is Command-Fn-; on the HHKB - 3 keypresses (instead of 2, which is bad enough compared to just Home on the PC).
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: morpheus on Tue, 25 June 2013, 07:17:25
I haven't been this satisfied with a product since the old IBM Thinkpads.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Danule on Tue, 25 June 2013, 08:08:01
After using one for about 3 weeks I can stay that the Realforce 45g is the most enjoyable keyboard for typing I have used.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: noons on Tue, 25 June 2013, 08:54:00
After using one for about 3 weeks I can stay that the Realforce 45g is the most enjoyable keyboard for typing I have used.

Just be prepared, it will spoil every other switch type for you. I have a cherry mx brown at work and every morning I expect the snap/pop of the key, but instead I am left unfulfilled.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Danule on Tue, 25 June 2013, 09:24:30
After using one for about 3 weeks I can stay that the Realforce 45g is the most enjoyable keyboard for typing I have used.

Just be prepared, it will spoil every other switch type for you. I have a cherry mx brown at work and every morning I expect the snap/pop of the key, but instead I am left unfulfilled.

Haha yes it has.  I still rather game on an MX brown because of the actuation point and tactile bump at the middle of the keypress that allows for hovering the acutation point better.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: czarek on Wed, 26 June 2013, 06:54:18
So far I am liking my HHKB 2 Pro so far.  Topre is sweet, and excellent to type on.  The layout is taking some getting used to though.

I totally agree. Though now that I'm used to the hhkb layout I'm broken for all other keyboards forever.

How long did it take you to get used to the layout?

I'm struggling a bit, as the key combination to move cursor to beginning of line on Mac is Command-Left arrow, which is Command-Fn-; on the HHKB - 3 keypresses (instead of 2, which is bad enough compared to just Home on the PC).

On Mac which is in fact Unix OS you have option to use either Mac shortcuts to move around (which are inherited from Classic Mac systems) or Unix things. That's where HHKB comes really handy. So to move to the front of the line you press Control + A, to move to the end of the line you press Control + E. That's not only the 2 key combo instead of 3, but can be easily done one with one hand!
Full list of Control shortcuts is here on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_key
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 26 June 2013, 15:10:29
So far I am liking my HHKB 2 Pro so far.  Topre is sweet, and excellent to type on.  The layout is taking some getting used to though.

I totally agree. Though now that I'm used to the hhkb layout I'm broken for all other keyboards forever.

How long did it take you to get used to the layout?

I'm struggling a bit, as the key combination to move cursor to beginning of line on Mac is Command-Left arrow, which is Command-Fn-; on the HHKB - 3 keypresses (instead of 2, which is bad enough compared to just Home on the PC).

On Mac which is in fact Unix OS you have option to use either Mac shortcuts to move around (which are inherited from Classic Mac systems) or Unix things. That's where HHKB comes really handy. So to move to the front of the line you press Control + A, to move to the end of the line you press Control + E. That's not only the 2 key combo instead of 3, but can be easily done one with one hand!
Full list of Control shortcuts is here on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_key

Why didn't I think of that? :rolleyes:

Doh!

I'm too used to Windows Ctrl-everything and Mac Command-everything I didn't think to try Ctrl-something in the Mac GUI.

This is going to make HHKB a bit more fun :)

Thank you ;D
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: MJ45 on Wed, 26 June 2013, 18:32:30
After using one for about 3 weeks I can stay that the Realforce 45g is the most enjoyable keyboard for typing I have used.

Just be prepared, it will spoil every other switch type for you. I have a cherry mx brown at work and every morning I expect the snap/pop of the key, but instead I am left unfulfilled.

Haha yes it has.  I still rather game on an MX brown because of the actuation point and tactile bump at the middle of the keypress that allows for hovering the acutation point better.
The Realforce 87u 55g is not bad at all for gaming action.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: anticorrelator on Wed, 26 June 2013, 22:31:01
It took me about two weeks only using the hhkb. I had to shuttle it between home and work otherwise I'd get back into the habit of using a standard layout.

I totally agree about the 3-key combos. I've mapped ctrl+a to beginning of line (and ctrl+u for eol) system wide using keyboard maestro though.

So far I am liking my HHKB 2 Pro so far.  Topre is sweet, and excellent to type on.  The layout is taking some getting used to though.

I totally agree. Though now that I'm used to the hhkb layout I'm broken for all other keyboards forever.

How long did it take you to get used to the layout?

I'm struggling a bit, as the key combination to move cursor to beginning of line on Mac is Command-Left arrow, which is Command-Fn-; on the HHKB - 3 keypresses (instead of 2, which is bad enough compared to just Home on the PC).
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 26 June 2013, 22:36:14
It took me about two weeks only using the hhkb. I had to shuttle it between home and work otherwise I'd get back into the habit of using a standard layout.

I totally agree about the 3-key combos. I've mapped ctrl+a to beginning of line (and ctrl+u for eol) system wide using keyboard maestro though.

In my case different people can use my work computer, and I use a few different computers at work and home, so I cannot go exclusively HHKB, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: take on Wed, 26 June 2013, 22:57:01
The Realforce 87u 55g is not bad at all for gaming action.

qft. i use the 55g for everything from general typing to dota2 and l4d2, among other games.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: czarek on Thu, 27 June 2013, 02:59:42
It took me about two weeks only using the hhkb. I had to shuttle it between home and work otherwise I'd get back into the habit of using a standard layout.

I totally agree about the 3-key combos. I've mapped ctrl+a to beginning of line (and ctrl+u for eol) system wide using keyboard maestro though.

In my case different people can use my work computer, and I use a few different computers at work and home, so I cannot go exclusively HHKB, unfortunately.

Control key combos work on any OS X. And I don't know about you but I have always remapped my caps lock to Control. That's something I got really used to in Amiga days.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: insilica on Thu, 27 June 2013, 11:08:12
Do people still use caps lock? I mean I shift or convert small letters to caps... I.e. using vim macros... such a useless and redundant key imo. But I have a feeling some people actually make use of it every day...

I'm almost exclusively on linux. Caps is mapped to ctrl and ctrlA ctrlE are equivalent to home and end for me which is primarily why I went fc660c. One of those people happy they kept insert for paste ;)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Danule on Thu, 27 June 2013, 14:11:47
The Realforce 87u 55g is not bad at all for gaming action.

qft. i use the 55g for everything from general typing to dota2 and l4d2, among other games.

FPS'ing on a Topre would be good but the double tapping isnt as good as a cherry mx brown IMO.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Thu, 27 June 2013, 16:40:41
neither are as good as an mx red for double tapping
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: anticorrelator on Thu, 27 June 2013, 16:50:12
It took me about two weeks only using the hhkb. I had to shuttle it between home and work otherwise I'd get back into the habit of using a standard layout.

I totally agree about the 3-key combos. I've mapped ctrl+a to beginning of line (and ctrl+u for eol) system wide using keyboard maestro though.

In my case different people can use my work computer, and I use a few different computers at work and home, so I cannot go exclusively HHKB, unfortunately.

Control key combos work on any OS X. And I don't know about you but I have always remapped my caps lock to Control. That's something I got really used to in Amiga days.

Oh wow, how did I not realize this  :eek:. Since ctrl+u/k don't clear the lines I assumed ctrl+a/e didn't navigate to bol/eol.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Danule on Thu, 27 June 2013, 18:23:06
neither are as good as an mx red for double tapping

well maybe. Depends on if you like the tactile bump.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: czarek on Fri, 28 June 2013, 02:04:59
It took me about two weeks only using the hhkb. I had to shuttle it between home and work otherwise I'd get back into the habit of using a standard layout.

I totally agree about the 3-key combos. I've mapped ctrl+a to beginning of line (and ctrl+u for eol) system wide using keyboard maestro though.

In my case different people can use my work computer, and I use a few different computers at work and home, so I cannot go exclusively HHKB, unfortunately.

Control key combos work on any OS X. And I don't know about you but I have always remapped my caps lock to Control. That's something I got really used to in Amiga days.

Oh wow, how did I not realize this  :eek:. Since ctrl+u/k don't clear the lines I assumed ctrl+a/e didn't navigate to bol/eol.

Yea ctrl+u only works in terminal. But ctrl+a and then ctrl+k works pretty much all the time.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: velvetdon25 on Fri, 28 June 2013, 08:33:17
Hi guys,

I have decided to take the plunge and get my first Topre keyboard and have narrowed it down to the HHKB Pro 2. The only thing holding me back right now is I'm really undecided on getting the regular version or the Type-S. For the past week I have spent at least 2 hours a day reading and watching videos comparing the two and quite frankly I quite like them both.

I've read some posters here stating that the Type-S felt more redefined, solid, and some problems have been resolved over the regular version. Would be great if they can get more into depth regarding about this.

Price between Type-S and regular will be $70 difference for me as I will be purchasing it directly from PFU and I wouldn't mind spending a little extra for a slightly quieter version. It really just depends on which one is more "pleasurable" to type on.

This video that shows the sound difference between the none silent and silent version is what I mainly use for reference.


The none silent one has more "clack" and the type-s has more of a "thump" but also a little squeak if you listen distinctively. The squeak does bother me a little so for those that own a Type-S, is the squeak prominent?

 
I Currently own a Filco M2 TKL (brown) and a Filco Linear R TKL (red). 

Would be great for those of you that own both the regular and Type-S version to share your thoughts.

Appreciate the help I can get.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 28 June 2013, 23:48:08
I have only the HHKB 2 Pro, but typing on it is wonderful, with a nice thunk from each key.

I think you'll enjoy it, whichever one you get.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: morpheus on Sat, 29 June 2013, 10:38:58
Where can I get the Realforce 10th Anniversary Edition? and for how much? and what's the difference between it and regular Realforce boards?

Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Sat, 29 June 2013, 12:56:51
The only difference is the case and cap color.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 29 June 2013, 19:03:24
There was one in Classifieds recently, wasn't there?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sat, 29 June 2013, 19:10:15
The moment approaches in a few days for when i get to try topre.

I might fall in love...i'm kinda scared to...

or i could hate it and see it as some do...just rubber dome

i'm excited either way :p
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Sat, 29 June 2013, 19:16:32
The moment approaches in a few days for when i get to try topre.

I might fall in love...i'm kinda scared to...

or i could hate it and see it as some do...just rubber dome

i'm excited either way :p

You're gonna love it dubs! 
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: take on Mon, 01 July 2013, 12:09:33
there seem to be a few anniversary editions on ebay, but the case looks totally different in the pics they're using. they have BSG-style cut corners instead of rounded ones, which throws up a red flag for me.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Mon, 01 July 2013, 12:27:47
There was one in Classifieds recently, wasn't there?

Yup. Mine, and it went in a matter of hours.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Keylamity on Mon, 01 July 2013, 13:34:51
I own 3. Just bought another one.  Beat that, geeks.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: insilica on Mon, 01 July 2013, 14:41:37
I own 3. Just bought another one.  Beat that, geeks.

Good for you Geek!  :)) I don't think anyone wants to  :rolleyes:

Although I love my silent variable 87u I'm increasingly loving my uniform 660c.



Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Moomoo on Mon, 01 July 2013, 18:14:07
Brought a HKKB to figure it out what the whole fuss was about topre keyboards. Wrote up a report for university and to tell you the truth I don't think I can go back to MX ever again. Ever and never again. This is just too good even the build quality of the keyboard itself is just amazing. I don't know might be exaggerating but it seriously feels like heaven on my fingers. The "thock" is a unique sound that makes you want to typre more.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 01 July 2013, 18:17:08
Brought a HKKB to figure it out what the whole fuss was about topre keyboards. Wrote up a report for university and to tell you the truth I don't think I can go back to MX ever again. Ever and never again. This is just too good even the build quality of the keyboard itself is just amazing. I don't know might be exaggerating but it seriously feels like heaven on my fingers. The "thock" is a unique sound that makes you want to typre more.

Another satisfied Topre user who has been turned from MX.

How are you finding the layout?  Getting used to it yet?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Moomoo on Mon, 01 July 2013, 18:26:40
Brought a HKKB to figure it out what the whole fuss was about topre keyboards. Wrote up a report for university and to tell you the truth I don't think I can go back to MX ever again. Ever and never again. This is just too good even the build quality of the keyboard itself is just amazing. I don't know might be exaggerating but it seriously feels like heaven on my fingers. The "thock" is a unique sound that makes you want to typre more.

Another satisfied Topre user who has been turned from MX.

How are you finding the layout?  Getting used to it yet?


Layout is pretty simple for me I don't usually use all the functions apart from Ctl actions. Will take me a fair bit to get the full extend of the keyboard though. That delete key is annoying me I keep pressing `. Overall she's a beauty
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 01 July 2013, 18:29:56
Brought a HKKB to figure it out what the whole fuss was about topre keyboards. Wrote up a report for university and to tell you the truth I don't think I can go back to MX ever again. Ever and never again. This is just too good even the build quality of the keyboard itself is just amazing. I don't know might be exaggerating but it seriously feels like heaven on my fingers. The "thock" is a unique sound that makes you want to typre more.

Another satisfied Topre user who has been turned from MX.

How are you finding the layout?  Getting used to it yet?


Layout is pretty simple for me I don't usually use all the functions apart from Ctl actions. Will take me a fair bit to get the full extend of the keyboard though. That delete key is annoying me I keep pressing `. Overall she's a beauty

I'm getting too used to the HHKB backspace.  Pressed what I thought was on my QFR at work this morning and was rewarded with a row of \\\\\\\\\\\
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Sniping on Mon, 01 July 2013, 21:04:09
Have you tried using AutoHotKey for your non-HHKB keyboards?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 01 July 2013, 22:35:33
Others share some of the keyboards, so that is not really an option.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Moomoo on Wed, 03 July 2013, 02:04:45
I love Topre switches that much that when I get this semester out of the way I think I am going to buy a RF87 U (55g). Are they really the epitome of all switches?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: smknjoe on Wed, 03 July 2013, 02:34:21

I'm getting too used to the HHKB backspace.  Pressed what I thought was on my QFR at work this morning and was rewarded with a row of \\\\\\\\\\\

This happens to me too when switching between boards from the HHKB. Besides the relatively light key press, lack of a tactile "bump" and high price I like Topre. The fluid motion and key cap texture are awesome.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 03 July 2013, 04:40:25

I'm getting too used to the HHKB backspace.  Pressed what I thought was on my QFR at work this morning and was rewarded with a row of \\\\\\\\\\\

This happens to me too when switching between boards from the HHKB. Besides the relatively light key press, lack of a tactile "bump" and high price I like Topre. The fluid motion and key cap texture are awesome.

To me Topre has a tactile bump, or, if not quite a bump, at least a tactile thump.

I have been using MX blacks at work most of this week, and switched to MX reds today, and now I am using Topre, and Topre I can definitely feel each key activating.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: knotra on Wed, 03 July 2013, 16:48:16
i just got my topre in today. (realforce 87 tenkeyless 45 g uniform) i've been using it for about 2 hours now and i am absolutely loving it. it was definitely worth the price as long as it doesnt self destruct within the next few months.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Dubsgalore on Wed, 03 July 2013, 16:51:00
I tried Topre finally and i'm going to post my further thoughts in the cap tester thread, but Topre isn't for me.
i don't see what's so special...it's quite uncomfortable to use...so mushy..

anyways, now i know, topre isn't for dubs

the rest of you, enjoy!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: daerid on Thu, 04 July 2013, 01:01:47
I own 3. Just bought another one.  Beat that, geeks.

I've purchased 3 RealForces, a HHKB and an FC660C
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: morpheus on Thu, 04 July 2013, 03:17:52
i just got my topre in today. (realforce 87 tenkeyless 45 g uniform) i've been using it for about 2 hours now and i am absolutely loving it. it was definitely worth the price as long as it doesnt self destruct within the next few months.

The more I use Topre the less I want to use MX, although I try to switch from time to time so that I don't wear out my Topre as fast.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Danule on Thu, 04 July 2013, 06:56:33
I tried Topre finally and i'm going to post my further thoughts in the cap tester thread, but Topre isn't for me.
i don't see what's so special...it's quite uncomfortable to use...so mushy..

anyways, now i know, topre isn't for dubs

the rest of you, enjoy!

You selling that topre you no longer want? ;)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Sniping on Thu, 04 July 2013, 08:56:10
i just got my topre in today. (realforce 87 tenkeyless 45 g uniform) i've been using it for about 2 hours now and i am absolutely loving it. it was definitely worth the price as long as it doesnt self destruct within the next few months.

The more I use Topre the less I want to use MX, although I try to switch from time to time so that I don't wear out my Topre as fast.

Already getting close to those 50 million keypresses?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Danule on Thu, 04 July 2013, 09:14:08
i just got my topre in today. (realforce 87 tenkeyless 45 g uniform) i've been using it for about 2 hours now and i am absolutely loving it. it was definitely worth the price as long as it doesnt self destruct within the next few months.

The more I use Topre the less I want to use MX, although I try to switch from time to time so that I don't wear out my Topre as fast.

Already getting close to those 50 million keypresses?

Yeah I agree, you don't really need to worry about wearing that keyboard out.  It will last you a very very long time.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: KangarooZombies on Thu, 04 July 2013, 19:26:09
Any other fans of the FC660C around?
Its the only topre board I have at the moment, and I'm absolutely loving it.
That being said, after reading this thread, I think my next pickup will be a 55g Realforce.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: knotra on Thu, 04 July 2013, 20:08:33
i just got my topre in today. (realforce 87 tenkeyless 45 g uniform) i've been using it for about 2 hours now and i am absolutely loving it. it was definitely worth the price as long as it doesnt self destruct within the next few months.

The more I use Topre the less I want to use MX, although I try to switch from time to time so that I don't wear out my Topre as fast.

Already getting close to those 50 million keypresses?

Yeah I agree, you don't really need to worry about wearing that keyboard out.  It will last you a very very long time.

thats great to hear because I love this board and i dont really want to spend another 300 dollars because it broke. rather spend it on another topre board  :))
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: kelske on Thu, 04 July 2013, 20:25:38
Any other fans of the FC660C around?
Its the only topre board I have at the moment, and I'm absolutely loving it.
That being said, after reading this thread, I think my next pickup will be a 55g Realforce.

Lots of peoples positive comments (including mine!) in these 2 review threads :)

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42825.0
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=44070.0
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Moomoo on Thu, 15 August 2013, 07:03:04
Has anyone looked into the eBay aluminium cases for the Topre? I mean they look sweet especially the USB mode and the aluminium weight factor. Been eyeing them out for a while now but I can't decide if I should buy it either.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Yuuki on Thu, 15 August 2013, 07:11:26
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40658.msg904061#msg904061

(potato pic)
yep I have one. It's nice but it's too expensive. I can't recommand it for this price, unless money isn't a problem
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: PadawanGeek on Thu, 15 August 2013, 07:56:49
I have a Topre RealForce 103UB-55G and a HHKB Pro 2, very happy user of both. As for whether I can still deal with Cherry switch keyboards, happy to report that I still like my Cherry MX keyboards, especially the heavier ones like Green and Black. Typing this on my Keycool 84 LED Black and I can still appreciate cherry switches....
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: keymaster on Wed, 21 August 2013, 10:25:20
My next big purchase will be a 55g uniform Topre board. It's unfortunate that the full-sized RealForce 55g uniform boards have been discontinued, so I'll have to settle for a TKL.

Does anyone know why they were discontinued?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: badcop on Wed, 21 August 2013, 10:37:04
i appreciate topre's oneness   ;D

i have another HHKB coming in fairly soon and 55g Realforce to mess around on.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: morpheus on Wed, 21 August 2013, 10:40:33
Is the HHKB Pro 2, all 45g like the Leopold FC660?

Also, does not having a steel plate in the HHKB Pro 2 make that much of a difference?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: badcop on Wed, 21 August 2013, 11:07:28
Is the HHKB Pro 2, all 45g like the Leopold FC660?

Also, does not having a steel plate in the HHKB Pro 2 make that much of a difference?

its all 45g except for the spacebar and esc.  someone correct me if wrong here

i haven't typed on a plated topre board but from what i understand, HHKB has more of a thock sound due to the natural reverberation of the case and the RF/660 plate absorbs a lot of the mechanical noise so it sounds like a click.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: morpheus on Wed, 21 August 2013, 11:53:57
Is the HHKB Pro 2, all 45g like the Leopold FC660?

Also, does not having a steel plate in the HHKB Pro 2 make that much of a difference?

its all 45g except for the spacebar and esc.  someone correct me if wrong here

i haven't typed on a plated topre board but from what i understand, HHKB has more of a thock sound due to the natural reverberation of the case and the RF/660 plate absorbs a lot of the mechanical noise so it sounds like a click.

Also, I heard that the keycaps on the HHKB Pro 2 are somewhat bigger than the Realforce and FC660C...is this true?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: badcop on Wed, 21 August 2013, 11:58:31
Is the HHKB Pro 2, all 45g like the Leopold FC660?

Also, does not having a steel plate in the HHKB Pro 2 make that much of a difference?

its all 45g except for the spacebar and esc.  someone correct me if wrong here

i haven't typed on a plated topre board but from what i understand, HHKB has more of a thock sound due to the natural reverberation of the case and the RF/660 plate absorbs a lot of the mechanical noise so it sounds like a click.

Also, I heard that the keycaps on the HHKB Pro 2 are somewhat bigger than the Realforce and FC660C...is this true?

bigger in which way?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lazerpointer on Wed, 21 August 2013, 12:55:09
I heard that the keycaps on the HHKB Pro 2 are somewhat bigger than the Realforce and FC660C...is this true?

This is not true, but the caps on the uTron are a small percentage smaller. I've heard they are 95% the size of normal Topre caps.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: MJ45 on Wed, 21 August 2013, 13:52:34
Is the HHKB Pro 2, all 45g like the Leopold FC660?

Also, does not having a steel plate in the HHKB Pro 2 make that much of a difference?

its all 45g except for the spacebar and esc.  someone correct me if wrong here

i haven't typed on a plated topre board but from what i understand, HHKB has more of a thock sound due to the natural reverberation of the case and the RF/660 plate absorbs a lot of the mechanical noise so it sounds like a click.

Also, I heard that the keycaps on the HHKB Pro 2 are somewhat bigger than the Realforce and FC660C...is this true?
They are the same size and profile. I think because of the HHKB's small size its an optical illusion, that make the keys seem larger than the Realforce.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: ValerieV on Wed, 28 August 2013, 21:09:48
The HHKB just sounds better than other topre keyboards. I love it but i do sometimes miss the dedicated arrow keys. Still, it's my favorite topre keyboard and my favorite keyboard in general.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: sth on Wed, 28 August 2013, 21:52:42
Has anyone looked into the eBay aluminium cases for the Topre? I mean they look sweet especially the USB mode and the aluminium weight factor. Been eyeing them out for a while now but I can't decide if I should buy it either.

those cases are for chumps. you need one of these (in the background):
(http://i.imgur.com/qPhzy.jpg)
i'll try to dig up another shot of that board... maybe i should put it back together.
EDIT here we go:
(http://i.imgur.com/e5CFn.jpg)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: morpheus on Fri, 30 August 2013, 01:15:11
I'm lusting for a HHKB Pro 2....maybe a nice Christmas present to myself?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: KangarooZombies on Fri, 30 August 2013, 01:16:28
So pretty sth....

 :eek:
Kangaroo~
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: melt on Fri, 30 August 2013, 15:09:54
holy crapmaster flex... just got my HHKB type-s 3 days ago and haven't been able to stop. it's like nothing I've ever typed on before and that's a good thing in my book.  It's like I'm learning a new instrument.  I don't know how many more custom Korean boards I can order from here on out, but the only thing that irks me is that theres not enough custom cases for topre boards... was thinking of ordering that aluminum case for the RF 87u on eBay for a whopping 450 bucks as I got a 55g RF in the mail and it seems like that's the only aluminum case out there for a topre board, at least as much as I know, and that's not saying much... gotta research.  ha
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 30 August 2013, 15:52:20


those cases are for chumps.


except thats not actually a case, it's a shell around a case.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: jwaz on Fri, 30 August 2013, 15:57:29
How has the community not made a HHKB or RF87 custom case yet? Cherry gets all the love :/
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Fri, 30 August 2013, 16:11:36
How has the community not made a HHKB or RF87 custom case yet? Cherry gets all the love :/


I covered the issues regarding HHKB cases here (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40658.msg1017707#msg1017707).


But RF cases are certainly doable.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Fri, 30 August 2013, 19:10:15
Someone needs to do a realforce case!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: ynrozturk on Fri, 30 August 2013, 22:08:51
Will hopefully be getting my hands on a HHKB in a month or two. I've wanted one for so long. It will be so hard to decide on which color, though.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: unnatural on Fri, 30 August 2013, 23:17:15
Will hopefully be getting my hands on a HHKB in a month or two. I've wanted one for so long. It will be so hard to decide on which color, though.

Less talk more buy. Black was out of stock when I bought my hhkb a few weeks ago. I kinda regret not waiting and getting mine in black.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dreamingftw on Sat, 31 August 2013, 00:02:54
I would be down for a custom RF case!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: peter79 on Sat, 31 August 2013, 10:11:21
The problem of Realforce keyboard is the case. It's not better build than Filco.
The quality of the plastic is not as good. So the custom aluminium case is a must, is there any available right now?
 
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Emospence on Wed, 18 September 2013, 03:58:21
I can get the 104UB-DK for S$399 (US$~316.69), is this an okay deal?

I'll be using it for typing/MMOs. Should I be looking at a 55g instead for the tactility? I'm afraid it might be a bit heavy since after using browns at home, the blues at work feel a tiny bit heavy.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Cafeine on Thu, 19 September 2013, 20:11:11
I can get the 104UB-DK for S$399 (US$~316.69), is this an okay deal?

I'll be using it for typing/MMOs. Should I be looking at a 55g instead for the tactility? I'm afraid it might be a bit heavy since after using browns at home, the blues at work feel a tiny bit heavy.

In that case, yeah, go for the 45g I guess. I'm typing this on a MX Clear board so I have to say that 45g is TOO SOFT for me. I'll have to change my RF soon. ;)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: unicomp_uc on Wed, 16 October 2013, 21:20:38
I love Topre.

That is all.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Emospence on Fri, 18 October 2013, 07:01:37
I recently went back to rubber dome after spending some months using brown/blue switches exclusively, and the experience is worse than I expected.

I was pretty much ready to get a Topre and was just waiting for local distro to stock up, and I'm now worried I may have a similar experience (with Topre).

So Topre lovers, convince me to just go ahead and buy one :/
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Polymer on Fri, 18 October 2013, 09:32:25
You may end up not liking Topre..there are no guarantees..

But I'm sure you've already read..it'll feel similar to normal rubber domes but better responsiveness, stability, solidness...It will be similar but different...just get one and try it for a month..if you still don't like it, sell it..
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: mljs54 on Fri, 18 October 2013, 11:24:50
I love the 55g RF I just got and now looking to try a 45g.

Is there anyone who prefers the 45g better for gaming and the 55g for typing?

edit: grammar fail
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: SNF on Fri, 18 October 2013, 13:02:55
Also, does not having a steel plate in the HHKB Pro 2 make that much of a difference?

For me it does, the HHKB feels softer when bottoming out and the thock sound.

I love Topre.

That is all.

Amen.

The HHKB just sounds better than other topre keyboards. I love it but i do sometimes miss the dedicated arrow keys. Still, it's my favorite topre keyboard and my favorite keyboard in general.

x2

I'm lusting for a HHKB Pro 2....maybe a nice Christmas present to myself?

Worth it.

I love the 55g RF I just got and now looking to try a 45g.

Is there anyway to actually prefers the 45g better for gaming and the 55g for typing?

Yeah 55g definitely feels better typing for me but the lower weight force I prefer for gaming  :thumb:
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: ComradeSniper on Fri, 18 October 2013, 15:08:51
I recently went back to rubber dome after spending some months using brown/blue switches exclusively, and the experience is worse than I expected.

I was pretty much ready to get a Topre and was just waiting for local distro to stock up, and I'm now worried I may have a similar experience (with Topre).

So Topre lovers, convince me to just go ahead and buy one :/

Topre is more similar to rubber domes than Cherry switches, but I definitely don't think that's a bad thing. All I can say is to just give it a try.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 19 October 2013, 00:57:53
You could say Topre is the perfect rubber dome, plus thock!

I try to alternate between my various boards, so they don't seize up or something like that I keep telling myself, but I keep coming back to HHKB and Thorpe oneness with cpu rubber.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Emospence on Mon, 21 October 2013, 02:34:26
Topre is more similar to rubber domes than Cherry switches, but I definitely don't think that's a bad thing. All I can say is to just give it a try.

Now to wait for 55gs to be in stock..

The HHKBs are also looking quite appealing, how does the layout work? Specifically, can I make that 'return' button just work as 'enter'?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 21 October 2013, 02:37:28
Topre is more similar to rubber domes than Cherry switches, but I definitely don't think that's a bad thing. All I can say is to just give it a try.

Now to wait for 55gs to be in stock..

The HHKBs are also looking quite appealing, how does the layout work? Specifically, can I make that 'return' button just work as 'enter'?

It's does the same thing functionally, just called different in UNIX.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Air tree on Mon, 21 October 2013, 06:14:52
I'm going to be ordering the HHKB pro 2 soon. It will be my first real keyboard.

Time to get off this ****ty laptop onto my soon to be first pc build and be happy with my HHKB! And if i don't like it i can always sell it here.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Emospence on Mon, 21 October 2013, 07:37:08
Went down to the store to feel a HHKB, while I'm loving the smoothness, it feels a tad light.. Need to get my hands on a 55g!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: keymaster on Mon, 21 October 2013, 11:32:47
Went down to the store to feel a HHKB, while I'm loving the smoothness, it feels a tad light.. Need to get my hands on a 55g!

Good man. You won't be disappointed with 55g. I also feel that the 45g on the HHKB is underwhelming.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Emospence on Mon, 21 October 2013, 11:40:05
Good man. You won't be disappointed with 55g. I also feel that the 45g on the HHKB is underwhelming.

Patiently waiting for it to be in stock. ETA end Nov for my local store, same as EK I believe?

If I decide to get more than one, it seems to be cheaper to just ship in from EK.. How long do they usually take to send something out?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Michael on Mon, 21 October 2013, 11:46:39
Went down to the store to feel a HHKB, while I'm loving the smoothness, it feels a tad light.. Need to get my hands on a 55g!

Good man. You won't be disappointed with 55g. I also feel that the 45g on the HHKB is underwhelming.


Agreed, which is why I gutted a 55g RF to make my HHKB 55g. :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: ValerieV on Sat, 09 November 2013, 22:01:05
I have never used a 55g topre keyboard. I had the Realforce 45g and thought it felt mushy but yet i love my HHKB 45g more so than my Leopold topre. My question is: Doesn't the 55g feel heavier to type on? Don't your fingers feel tired after typing as opposed to the 45g? Also, does the 55g sound as loud as the HHKB does? There really is nothing like a topre keyboard. I will never understand people who say topre keyboards are like typing on rubber domes. They are completely different!!!! Thanks.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: SuperiorKarate on Sun, 10 November 2013, 18:55:09
Went down to the store to feel a HHKB, while I'm loving the smoothness, it feels a tad light.. Need to get my hands on a 55g!

Good man. You won't be disappointed with 55g. I also feel that the 45g on the HHKB is underwhelming.


Agreed, which is why I gutted a 55g RF to make my HHKB 55g. :)
They said you were hardcore
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: n0husty on Sun, 10 November 2013, 19:41:38
I'm patiently waiting for my first Topre board to come in the mail. I wonder how I'm gonna like it.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AKIMbO on Sun, 10 November 2013, 20:07:02
I'm patiently waiting for my first Topre board to come in the mail. I wonder how I'm gonna like it.

Give it a week or two before making judgement.  Everyone is underwhelmed by topre for the first few days. I know I was.  Then I tried to go back to cherry mx....and it paled in comparison to topre. 
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: keymaster on Sun, 10 November 2013, 20:11:39
I'm patiently waiting for my first Topre board to come in the mail. I wonder how I'm gonna like it.

Give it a week or two before making judgement.  Everyone is underwhelmed by topre for the first few days. I know I was.  Then I tried to go back to cherry mx....and it paled in comparison to topre.

I hope he's getting 55g.

Anyway, I completely agree. When I used my 62g clears after using Topre for a week, it felt like a cheap toy. This is the problem with all MX after becoming accustomed to Topre.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Air tree on Sun, 10 November 2013, 20:15:16
I will let you guys know next month how i like topre as my first real keyboard. It's quite odd that i go straight for a HHKB as my first keyboard haha!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: vun on Sun, 10 November 2013, 20:28:52
Just got a Topre board a few days ago, felt a bit weird at first, but by the end of the day I was in love. I don't think I'll be able to use anything else for a while, not even my edox.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: 1pq on Sun, 10 November 2013, 21:18:25
I'm currently typing on my first topre board, the Leopold FC660C, which I got on Friday.
I think I like it. It's definitely hard to judge, especially only in these first couple of days. I find it odd, though, that everyone seems to think that 45g topre switches are too light...coming from MX Blues, the 45g topres feel heavier. I know Blues technically require more actuation force, but topres seem to require more force during the entire keystroke. Anyway, my fingers feel a little slower and more tired after typing on the Leo than on the MX Blues before. However, I also seem to make fewer errors since the keys are harder to actuate.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 10 November 2013, 21:43:49
Just got a Topre board a few days ago, felt a bit weird at first, but by the end of the day I was in love. I don't think I'll be able to use anything else for a while, not even my edox.

So many people have this experience :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: keymaster on Sun, 10 November 2013, 22:56:08
The Topre revolution will soon be upon us. It is now time for the MX heretics to repent in order to receive salvation.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tuxsavvy on Sun, 10 November 2013, 23:37:19
Yes! resistance is futile hahaha.

Though seriously I wish PFU for instance would recognise the popularity with HHKB being sold abroad (from Japan) and that they wouldn't make their warranty restricted to only within Japan. I don't know if it's the same ordeal right across other Topre keyboards like Realforce, uTron, etc.

Not that I am wanting to claim it on warranty on breakdowns for every little issue but what if say for instance one receives a very nice HHKB in the post, uses it and finds out that it is not working all that great like it used to? There was some bloke on IRC that was having issues with backspace keys (for instance) between Mac and Linux. On the Mac and other live Linux distributions he reported no issues when DIP switches are not set into HHKB mode but on his Archlinux for instance the backspace key does not work as how it was from the beginning, instead it would send out some other random character.

Although I did suggest to him to have a look at xev, xmodmap and all but he did say he did not have an issue from the beginning and switching to Mac mode via DIP switch worked for him in either cases. There is also another option and that is for him to maybe use Hasu's TMK firmware but really. If one receives a faulty HHKB for instance what then? If HHKB wasn't ordered say for example from elitekeyboards.com there is no way you could return it to the seller. Amazon may give you that leeway but it heavily depends from seller to seller, Ebay is more or less the same (though almost always no leeway). Then there is that option of what if one sourced HHKB directly from Japan via some Japanese site and through a forwarding service?

The warranty registration form clearly indicates both the store (which stocks the HHKB in this instance) as well as the owner's details which I am sure both of those fields must be Japanese addresses. I mean it is sort of the one thing that worries me abit when HHKB is notably popular yet they don't really extend their warranties to other countries leaving companies like elitekeyboards to deal with faulty HHKB (if ever there is any).
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: SuperiorKarate on Mon, 11 November 2013, 04:02:55
If HHKB wasn't ordered say for example from elitekeyboards.com there is no way you could return it to the seller.
This is in part why I've ordered mine from EK, since they're the official overseas distributor. I wanted at least some coverage. I was strongly tempted to go through amazon, however, since there were some interesting buying options. Not just pricewise, but the always tempting option to go through amazon fulfillment and get the ever tempting prime shipping which calls out so strongly to the lazy and impatient such as myself.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tuxsavvy on Mon, 11 November 2013, 06:49:18
If HHKB wasn't ordered say for example from elitekeyboards.com there is no way you could return it to the seller.
This is in part why I've ordered mine from EK, since they're the official overseas distributor. I wanted at least some coverage. I was strongly tempted to go through amazon, however, since there were some interesting buying options. Not just pricewise, but the always tempting option to go through amazon fulfillment and get the ever tempting prime shipping which calls out so strongly to the lazy and impatient such as myself.
The funny irony with elitekeyboards.com isn't listed as PFU's HHKB seller outside Japan. The same thing could be said likewise for one other manufacturer on the website PFU mentioned for North American distributors which is no longer selling HHKB whilst the other distributor stocks only the Lite2 variant and none of the Pro/Pro2 versions.

I guess that goes to show how un-frequently PFU HHKB's English page is updated.

Amazon I guess is where one can also get HHKB as well but maybe not so true for the HHKB JP. In other cases there's amazon.co.jp which unfortunately only sells within Japan for some funny reason along with the fact that one needs to create a separate account.

Much can also be said about the list of accessories for HHKB doesn't seem to be as abundant on elitekeyboards.com (apart from keycaps of course) whereas it seems for every other thing one basically needs to hurl through Japanese sites. Ultimately leaving a possible ideal option as to buy everything that one wants and get them shipped via prox/forwarder.

At the end of the day I would have gone through elitekeyboards if they stocked HHKB Pro JP Type-S. In fact they don't stock any JIS layouts which is very evident along with the acrylic keyboard roof which they constantly list as coming soon/no stock. They have almost every other thing except just those. Which can be simply said that there's probably not that much interest for the JIS layout variant regardless.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: AuRinBei on Mon, 11 November 2013, 09:58:28
I'm currently typing on my first topre board, the Leopold FC660C, which I got on Friday.
I think I like it. It's definitely hard to judge, especially only in these first couple of days. I find it odd, though, that everyone seems to think that 45g topre switches are too light...coming from MX Blues, the 45g topres feel heavier. I know Blues technically require more actuation force, but topres seem to require more force during the entire keystroke. Anyway, my fingers feel a little slower and more tired after typing on the Leo than on the MX Blues before. However, I also seem to make fewer errors since the keys are harder to actuate.

That's because they probably are heavier. I've had 2 FC660Cs. Both boards had most of the keys weighing more than 50g, even after a few weeks of use. The 45g actuation force is more of a suggestion than an actual specification for Topre switches. Most people say that the HHKB2 is even heavier than the FC660C, and it is also "45g". I've heard that the Realforces are closest to their actual stated weight.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lonedruid on Tue, 12 November 2013, 00:35:55
I would not recommend someone who is not familiar with topre to buy HHKB just because of the hype. HHKB is a very minimalist keyboard that will require alot of key combos that as many of geekhackers will agree, will take sometime to get used to. While it is good for programmers who perhaps like it for its simplicity and is proficient at typing out key combos at ease as their job require typing out those arcane words at fairly fast rate.

Otherwise, i recommend, get either RealForce 104U or 87U.

PS; i dont own a topre or a HHKB, but, i had been creeping the Topre walkways crawling with HHKB fnatic geekhackers. :D And , this is wad i gather: forgive and correct me if i wrong.
I need advice from fellow geekhackers,

I am currently using well known red-switch 6GV2 from steelseries, and i am thinking i want to try those blue clicky tactile switches that is quite famous. I am thinking Filco 104 keys with camoflage textured board for gamers. However, as i mentioned earlier, as i delve deeper into this geekhack forums infested with HHKB worshippers, i myself had been infected with the carnal need for a Topre switch.

But, i am not yet rich like you guys, ok? So i am thinking Topre Type Heaven. Why dont i see anyone talk about Type Heaven? Even though it is made in China, i believe the Topre Keys switch quality will still be the same. And, does Abs keycaps means the keycaps on your 28 dollar logitech keyboard right? then i can like with that. Topre cost 250 at X-treme solutions shop in Singapore.

So, should i get Filco blues and a Type Heaven. at 220 and 250 respectively. Or Get a REalforce 104U at knock-you-down price of 450 sing dollars.\
Or should i restrain myself from getting type heaven and get my filco first, then save up and buy a realforce later?
And, i had been reading in this thread topre feels like rubber dome? is that true? I mean what is this whole point of topre switch when it feels like rubberdome?

I am slightly new to geekhack, so if i offend folks here in anyway , do forgive me :D
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dustinhxc on Tue, 12 November 2013, 00:50:40
I would not recommend someone who is not familiar with topre to buy HHKB just because of the hype. HHKB is a very minimalist keyboard that will require alot of key combos that as many of geekhackers will agree, will take sometime to get used to. While it is good for programmers who perhaps like it for its simplicity and is proficient at typing out key combos at ease as their job require typing out those arcane words at fairly fast rate.

Otherwise, i recommend, get either RealForce 104U or 87U.

PS; i dont own a topre or a HHKB, but, i had been creeping the Topre walkways crawling with HHKB fnatic geekhackers. :D And , this is wad i gather: forgive and correct me if i wrong.
I need advice from fellow geekhackers,

I am currently using well known red-switch 6GV2 from steelseries, and i am thinking i want to try those blue clicky tactile switches that is quite famous. I am thinking Filco 104 keys with camoflage textured board for gamers. However, as i mentioned earlier, as i delve deeper into this geekhack forums infested with HHKB worshippers, i myself had been infected with the carnal need for a Topre switch.

But, i am not yet rich like you guys, ok? So i am thinking Topre Type Heaven. Why dont i see anyone talk about Type Heaven? Even though it is made in China, i believe the Topre Keys switch quality will still be the same. And, does Abs keycaps means the keycaps on your 28 dollar logitech keyboard right? then i can like with that. Topre cost 250 at X-treme solutions shop in Singapore.

So, should i get Filco blues and a Type Heaven. at 220 and 250 respectively. Or Get a REalforce 104U at knock-you-down price of 450 sing dollars.\
Or should i restrain myself from getting type heaven and get my filco first, then save up and buy a realforce later?
And, i had been reading in this thread topre feels like rubber dome? is that true? I mean what is this whole point of topre switch when it feels like rubberdome?

I am slightly new to geekhack, so if i offend folks here in anyway , do forgive me :D

Hey, Im still learning myself. But what I have read so far is Type Heaven is a bit cheaper made so it doesnt give Topre justice. So if I were you Id wait like I am going to do and get a Realforce. Also Filco is great for cherry mx so that is good as well. Either you will be happy with. I have a rosewill which is like a cheap filco case w crappy abs keys. ;p Id like to get realforce though soon.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: terran5992 on Tue, 12 November 2013, 01:17:46
I would not recommend someone who is not familiar with topre to buy HHKB just because of the hype. HHKB is a very minimalist keyboard that will require alot of key combos that as many of geekhackers will agree, will take sometime to get used to. While it is good for programmers who perhaps like it for its simplicity and is proficient at typing out key combos at ease as their job require typing out those arcane words at fairly fast rate.

Otherwise, i recommend, get either RealForce 104U or 87U.

PS; i dont own a topre or a HHKB, but, i had been creeping the Topre walkways crawling with HHKB fnatic geekhackers. :D And , this is wad i gather: forgive and correct me if i wrong.
I need advice from fellow geekhackers,

I am currently using well known red-switch 6GV2 from steelseries, and i am thinking i want to try those blue clicky tactile switches that is quite famous. I am thinking Filco 104 keys with camoflage textured board for gamers. However, as i mentioned earlier, as i delve deeper into this geekhack forums infested with HHKB worshippers, i myself had been infected with the carnal need for a Topre switch.

But, i am not yet rich like you guys, ok? So i am thinking Topre Type Heaven. Why dont i see anyone talk about Type Heaven? Even though it is made in China, i believe the Topre Keys switch quality will still be the same. And, does Abs keycaps means the keycaps on your 28 dollar logitech keyboard right? then i can like with that. Topre cost 250 at X-treme solutions shop in Singapore.

So, should i get Filco blues and a Type Heaven. at 220 and 250 respectively. Or Get a REalforce 104U at knock-you-down price of 450 sing dollars.\
Or should i restrain myself from getting type heaven and get my filco first, then save up and buy a realforce later?
And, i had been reading in this thread topre feels like rubber dome? is that true? I mean what is this whole point of topre switch when it feels like rubberdome?

I am slightly new to geekhack, so if i offend folks here in anyway , do forgive me :D

Hey, Im still learning myself. But what I have read so far is Type Heaven is a bit cheaper made so it doesnt give Topre justice. So if I were you Id wait like I am going to do and get a Realforce. Also Filco is great for cherry mx so that is good as well. Either you will be happy with. I have a rosewill which is like a cheap filco case w crappy abs keys. ;p Id like to get realforce though soon.

Yup yous should , expensive is usually better
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: SuperiorKarate on Tue, 12 November 2013, 05:04:04
While it is good for programmers who perhaps like it for its simplicity and is proficient at typing out key combos at ease as their job require typing out those arcane words at fairly fast rate.
I am actually not a programmer/web designer/gamer in any professional capacity. I want to do more serious writing (like words), which is why I find a minimal keyboard so appealing.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 12 November 2013, 07:03:50
Do you guys think i'm going to be underwhelmed by topre if i'm coming from a laptop chiclet keyboard (Probable the worst thing i have ever typed on)

I was told it would be that good of a feeling if i had come from mx switches.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 12 November 2013, 07:05:55
Do you guys think i'm going to be underwhelmed by topre if i'm coming from a laptop chiclet keyboard (Probable the worst thing i have ever typed on)

I was told it would be that good of a feeling if i had come from mx switches.

It's all personal preference some love topre some hate topre the only way to know what you will like is to try it out.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 12 November 2013, 07:08:00
Do you guys think i'm going to be underwhelmed by topre if i'm coming from a laptop chiclet keyboard (Probable the worst thing i have ever typed on)

I was told it would be that good of a feeling if i had come from mx switches.

It's all personal preference some love topre some hate topre the only way to know what you will like is to try it out.

I'm getting it next month so if i don't like it i can sell it to someone on the forums pretty quickly i'm guessing.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 12 November 2013, 07:09:45
Do you guys think i'm going to be underwhelmed by topre if i'm coming from a laptop chiclet keyboard (Probable the worst thing i have ever typed on)

I was told it would be that good of a feeling if i had come from mx switches.

It's all personal preference some love topre some hate topre the only way to know what you will like is to try it out.

I'm getting it next month so if i don't like it i can sell it to someone on the forums pretty quickly i'm guessing.

That's what people always say but that to just depends
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: frvrngn on Tue, 12 November 2013, 08:01:43
I still love my "cheap" Type Heaven.  Its a nice way to get into Topre without spending a bundle to see if you like it.  I DO like it so I will probably be spending much more now.  I want a try a 55g RF and I still want a HHKB eventually.

BTW, the ABS caps on the TH are among the nicest I have used.  They have that weird texture to them and I have no shine at all even on the spacebar.  On something like a QFR I can start seeing shine in a week.  They are also not as slick as most ABS caps.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: tuxsavvy on Tue, 12 November 2013, 08:55:37
I would not recommend someone who is not familiar with topre to buy HHKB just because of the hype. HHKB is a very minimalist keyboard that will require alot of key combos that as many of geekhackers will agree, will take sometime to get used to. While it is good for programmers who perhaps like it for its simplicity and is proficient at typing out key combos at ease as their job require typing out those arcane words at fairly fast rate.

Otherwise, i recommend, get either RealForce 104U or 87U.

PS; i dont own a topre or a HHKB, but, i had been creeping the Topre walkways crawling with HHKB fnatic geekhackers. :D And , this is wad i gather: forgive and correct me if i wrong.
I need advice from fellow geekhackers,

I am currently using well known red-switch 6GV2 from steelseries, and i am thinking i want to try those blue clicky tactile switches that is quite famous. I am thinking Filco 104 keys with camoflage textured board for gamers. However, as i mentioned earlier, as i delve deeper into this geekhack forums infested with HHKB worshippers, i myself had been infected with the carnal need for a Topre switch.

But, i am not yet rich like you guys, ok? So i am thinking Topre Type Heaven. Why dont i see anyone talk about Type Heaven? Even though it is made in China, i believe the Topre Keys switch quality will still be the same. And, does Abs keycaps means the keycaps on your 28 dollar logitech keyboard right? then i can like with that. Topre cost 250 at X-treme solutions shop in Singapore.

So, should i get Filco blues and a Type Heaven. at 220 and 250 respectively. Or Get a REalforce 104U at knock-you-down price of 450 sing dollars.\
Or should i restrain myself from getting type heaven and get my filco first, then save up and buy a realforce later?
And, i had been reading in this thread topre feels like rubber dome? is that true? I mean what is this whole point of topre switch when it feels like rubberdome?

I am slightly new to geekhack, so if i offend folks here in anyway , do forgive me :D


Do you guys think i'm going to be underwhelmed by topre if i'm coming from a laptop chiclet keyboard (Probable the worst thing i have ever typed on)

I was told it would be that good of a feeling if i had come from mx switches.

It's all personal preference some love topre some hate topre the only way to know what you will like is to try it out.


I very much agree with what SpAmRaY said there, at the end of the day everyone has their own tastes and comparing tastes can be just as deadly as playing with fire imo.  :thumb:

On the other hand I find there's a fair bit of misunderstanding from your part (lonedruid).

The first reason is that HHKB is expensive because it just seems to be at this time of the year. Hasu pointed out the prices for HHKB and they were much expensive compared towards end of last year and the start of this year. Apart from that HHKB is partly popular because of the design that was collaborated with a UNIX guy whom suggested the idea of Sun keyboard but minimal layout.

The 60% layout whilst not new but has taken to new highs being the fact that they are portable as well as the possibly (only just a possibility) that it may have lesser strain on fingers. In short the HHKB's virtues were to only bring out the most used keys and push the rest through Fn or otherwise omitted. Granted that one has to use Fn keys should they want to access other keys that are normally found on a normal keyboard as a dedicated key but one does not have to reach far to hit the keys. Such keys are notably the F1-F12 keys. If one were running linux for instance, they would instantly know that Ctrl+Alt+F1-F12 are the hotkeys to access 12 virtual terminals (most of them by default a login prompt followed by Xorg if installed and running and five blank terminals for one to put on whatever they want). Most GUI users would probably not understand the reasons of a CLI terminal but in the *nix realm, CLI plays a vital part just as what a GUI would offer but in different ways. Of course there are a few linux distros already trying to sort of forbade the one the default amount of virtual terminals and/or try to make it so that it would be more like windows where CLI is virtually frowned upon. There still is a need for one to use a virtual terminal when something messes up with linux GUI. I used to say to some windows converts that,"linux does not roll over and play dead when the GUI dies." still remains mostly true to this day. So the need for one to access CLI terminals is just as vitally important. Now how does that blend in with HHKB? if you look at a regular full sized keyboard, the F1-F12 keys are all dedicated keys and separate from the actual alphabetical inputs (along with the numeric numbers on top and some of the key modifiers). When you look at HHKB, the F1-F12 keys are accessible via Fn and so accessing a virtual terminal under linux it just requires one to press Fn keys along with a numeric key on top to do whatever they want. By fully extending my fingers over my HHKB in roughly the way how touch typist would have their hands are in position on the keyboard. I could easily see my ring, middle and index finger could easily reach the number keys on top. Compare that with a full sized keyboard where I guess one cannot easily reach the dedicated F1-F12 keys without having to shift their hands up just to reach it (and by that time it wouldn't really be deemed touch typing because mostly the index finger will be doing the work).

Of course that is just one prime example of why HHKB may seem better, I could probably go on for almost an hour going through what other advantages a 60% layout would generally have over a full sized keyboard. Anyway, there are many 60% keyboards that are available out there apart from HHKB. To me I still believe the rest of the 60% boards that are available out there whilst unique and maybe better than HHKB but HHKB was the one that started the craze (again). Definitely HHKB was not the founder of 60% form factor but it helped (in my sense) reignite that interest. Most of the other 60% keyboards share the same layout, where Caps lock is found on a full sized keyboard is also found on the 60% keyboard. That is not the case with HHKB. One can easily see that the Control key right fully takes the place of Caps lock. To me there is more chance that I would use the Control key more than a Caps lock, besides when writing things in capitals I get the sense of an old IRC netetiquette saying that typing in capitals are basically giving others the impression that you are shouting. Apart from that why else would one really need to use Caps lock most of the time compared to say Control? I could easily see under windows shortcuts (amazingly most of them are the same under linux GUI) that one uses things like Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, Ctrl+Z, Ctrl+X, etc. So wouldn't it be somewhat more logical to place the Control key in a more higher position than the Caps lock key? I am not so sure why other 60% boards don't come with the same option as HHKB in terms of Control/Caps lock placement but I guess there maybe some patent involved that may prohibit others from copying HHKB. Even if the real answer is not that, I guess most users would like the layout found on a normal full sized keyboard to be roughly the same as a 60% layout. The HHKB therefore in a sense is quite different in understanding that one does not need Caps lock in it's original position and that something like Control would be better suited.

Having mentioned two of the most fundamental issues I guess there is still one more left to mention but this is not so much of a fundamental issue. Topre switches are not necessairly cheap, they were designed and manufactured originally in Japan. You can sort of imagine the price for labour is generally not cheap in Japan even at that Japanese tends to set a high price for their items to give buyers the confidence that there is a good chance the said product has gone through checking before it is sold. PFU also being a Japanese brand chooses Topre for a sort of mechanical switch seems to be somewhat naive but a logical choice. By having (either all or most) of the HHKB Pro's production to be residing in Japan, it sort of gives one some sense of confidence knowing that they are backed by quality.  Also the lack of Topre keyboard manufacturers may tend to give the impression that HHKB is the only choice out there for a 60% board and with Topre switch hence it may allow PFU to raise the price up due to lack of competitors I guess.

Cherry MX on the other hand were made in Germany, not saying that labour is cheaper in Germany than it is compared to Japan as that would be the wrong sort of statement. However, because Cherry MX became popular that it flooded the keyboard mechanical switches market, there are lots of manufacturers, vendors, etc happily boasting Cherry MX. Inevitably it brings competition and competition drives prices down. Again this is not so much the case for the HHKB let alone Topre whom there are less than a handful of manufacturers out there that would be willing to use a Topre switch. The lack of compeition could only mean two things:
1) There might be not enough interest. Again this is only in comparison to Cherry MX and/or
2) Topre may have restricted their operations to be only for Japanese companies. In other words other OEMs bearing Topre switches may most likely have to be also a Japanese brand to boot. This is only a possibility not a definite cause, and this could be the reason why Topre seems to be more expensive as there are very few manufacturers big enough to have their own keyboard and all with Topre switch.

Something that might be of a worthy note (but not as much as the rest) to point out here is that HHKB seems to also share its fame with people that comes with *nix or mixed (*nix and windows, etc) background. As a linux user myself whilst not easily swayed that HHKB are used by notable programmers but because I can totally see the handiness in the design of the HHKB that is one of the many reasons why I have chosen to go with HHKB. Not necessarily because of its fame but because of the practicality. The fame is sort of like side dish compared to practicality within the linux usage. That is not to say that HHKB is unpopular with other platforms, but again one may find a charming view of HHKB once they understood the layout and appreciates it.

This is all coming from a bloke/guy who does not do proper programming but can see the elegance with HHKB even from a non-programmer's perspective.

At the end of the day I have no qualms with Cherry MX, though my choice with HHKB was by far for me the most logical choice when I have appropriately done my homework and have weighed pros and cons. There are people who will appreciate Topre, there will be people that will appreciate Cherry MX, there will be people that will appreciate other key switches (such as pentograph (I think that's how it is spelt), buckling switches, hall effect, beam spring, membrane, etc) but that makes me point back to what SpAmRaY said and basically it is,"To each their own".
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: osi on Tue, 12 November 2013, 09:42:10
Currently I am saving up for a HHKB. I would love to have the Type-S but then I would have to buy a normal one in black as well so the cases can be swapped. Only because I prefer the black.. :D. I'll see which direction I take once I get there..
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dgreekstallion on Wed, 08 October 2014, 14:02:05
Maybe you guys can help me with something.

Is the 87-UWS model variable key weighted?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 08 October 2014, 14:10:05
Maybe you guys can help me with something.

Is the 87-UWS model variable key weighted?

White and Black 87U Silent models are both:

30 to 45 gram weighting (letter area), and 55 gram weighting (Esc)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dgreekstallion on Wed, 08 October 2014, 14:23:22
Maybe you guys can help me with something.

Is the 87-UWS model variable key weighted?
Dude. Thank you so much. I am new to Topres... Thinking of buying one!

White and Black 87U Silent models are both:

30 to 45 gram weighting (letter area), and 55 gram weighting (Esc)

Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 08 October 2014, 14:28:11
Maybe you guys can help me with something.

Is the 87-UWS model variable key weighted?
Dude. Thank you so much. I am new to Topres... Thinking of buying one!

White and Black 87U Silent models are both:

30 to 45 gram weighting (letter area), and 55 gram weighting (Esc)

You're welcome! I had the 87UBS before. I loved the sliders but it was a tad light for me. I prefer uniform 45g. I now have uniform 88UB (ISO) uniform 45g and 104UB-DK (same as 87UB uniform 45g but fullsize).
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Grim Fandango on Wed, 08 October 2014, 14:39:26
For me, Topre is an easy choice.

For one, I can actually use them in the living room and the office. Cherry MX switches are practically useless to me since they are entirely too noisy (in my experience, even with O-rings) to be used under practically any circumstance in which I use a keyboard.

Additionally Topre are light (when 45g or 30g) which I like, they are smooth while somehow still having a distinct tactile feedback, and they feel nice when bottoming out ("thock"). As an added bonus, I find the sound they produce somehow satisfying/pleasant.

Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dgreekstallion on Wed, 08 October 2014, 14:39:52
Maybe you guys can help me with something.

Is the 87-UWS model variable key weighted?
Dude. Thank you so much. I am new to Topres... Thinking of buying one!

White and Black 87U Silent models are both:

30 to 45 gram weighting (letter area), and 55 gram weighting (Esc)

You're welcome! I had the 87UBS before. I loved the sliders but it was a tad light for me. I prefer uniform 45g. I now have uniform 88UB (ISO) uniform 45g and 104UB-DK (same as 87UB uniform 45g but fullsize).

Indeed. I found one for a good price on eBay, and even though people have told me since I love Buckling Springs I should get the 55g Topre, but the deal to me is decent enough it's worth buying just to try out.

What do you think of the sentiment that since I like BS, I should get the 55 grams Topre?

Furthermore, what's the big deal about the Topre with High-Profile switches? Really pricey but I absolutely love how it looks.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Topre-Realforce-104UG-HiPro-High-Profile-Capacitive-Keyboard-PBT-Key-Caps-/190934456651?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item2c7494994b
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 08 October 2014, 15:06:26
Maybe you guys can help me with something.

Is the 87-UWS model variable key weighted?
Dude. Thank you so much. I am new to Topres... Thinking of buying one!

White and Black 87U Silent models are both:

30 to 45 gram weighting (letter area), and 55 gram weighting (Esc)

You're welcome! I had the 87UBS before. I loved the sliders but it was a tad light for me. I prefer uniform 45g. I now have uniform 88UB (ISO) uniform 45g and 104UB-DK (same as 87UB uniform 45g but fullsize).

Indeed. I found one for a good price on eBay, and even though people have told me since I love Buckling Springs I should get the 55g Topre, but the deal to me is decent enough it's worth buying just to try out.

What do you think of the sentiment that since I like BS, I should get the 55 grams Topre?

Furthermore, what's the big deal about the Topre with High-Profile switches? Really pricey but I absolutely love how it looks.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Topre-Realforce-104UG-HiPro-High-Profile-Capacitive-Keyboard-PBT-Key-Caps-/190934456651?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item2c7494994b

I have an SSK right next to me. 55g would forsure feel more like the Buckling Spring keys. High Profile would also feel more like Buckling Spring Keys since Topre keysets are low like Cherry Profile.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dgreekstallion on Wed, 08 October 2014, 15:11:21
Maybe you guys can help me with something.

Is the 87-UWS model variable key weighted?
Dude. Thank you so much. I am new to Topres... Thinking of buying one!

White and Black 87U Silent models are both:

30 to 45 gram weighting (letter area), and 55 gram weighting (Esc)

You're welcome! I had the 87UBS before. I loved the sliders but it was a tad light for me. I prefer uniform 45g. I now have uniform 88UB (ISO) uniform 45g and 104UB-DK (same as 87UB uniform 45g but fullsize).

Indeed. I found one for a good price on eBay, and even though people have told me since I love Buckling Springs I should get the 55g Topre, but the deal to me is decent enough it's worth buying just to try out.

What do you think of the sentiment that since I like BS, I should get the 55 grams Topre?

Furthermore, what's the big deal about the Topre with High-Profile switches? Really pricey but I absolutely love how it looks.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Topre-Realforce-104UG-HiPro-High-Profile-Capacitive-Keyboard-PBT-Key-Caps-/190934456651?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item2c7494994b

I have an SSK right next to me. 55g would forsure feel more like the Buckling Spring keys. High Profile would also feel more like Buckling Spring Keys since Topre keysets are low like Cherry Profile.

Excellent. It will sure feel different than my Model F-122 at home!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 08 October 2014, 15:28:57
Yeah forsure! Also it seems a white version is out!

http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365053110 (http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365053110)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dgreekstallion on Wed, 08 October 2014, 15:30:17
Yeah forsure! Also it seems a white version is out!

http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365053110 (http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365053110)
Damn. That is freaking gorgeous! How would I get my hands on one of those?!?!

Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 08 October 2014, 15:32:51
Yeah forsure! Also it seems a white version is out!

http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365053110 (http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365053110)
Damn. That is freaking gorgeous! How would I get my hands on one of those?!?!

White Rabbit Express
http://request.whiterabbitexpress.com (http://request.whiterabbitexpress.com)

or

Tenso
http://www.tenso.com/en/guide/index.html (http://www.tenso.com/en/guide/index.html)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dgreekstallion on Wed, 08 October 2014, 15:48:57
That's amazing!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: snipars on Wed, 08 October 2014, 21:42:02
Even with the ****ty stock ABS keycaps on my novatouch, topres are so much nicer than any other switch i've used!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: frvrngn on Tue, 18 November 2014, 18:27:54
I was a die hard Ergo Clear user.  It was far and away my favorite switch to use.  Then I got my 87u and it was the only board I used for a few weeks.  Then my HHKB arrived over the weekend and I havent been able to stop using it since.  The feeling and sounds it makes are just amazing.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: wakko on Tue, 05 May 2015, 17:40:30
What's the difference between RF87U standard and EK edition, quality wise? I know it's 45g but is there anything else that makes it less in anyway?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: TopreFan333 on Tue, 05 May 2015, 17:50:42
I still love my "cheap" Type Heaven.  Its a nice way to get into Topre without spending a bundle to see if you like it.

Just picked up one as well (used in great shape, $100), to have a Topre board at work without spending too much on top of the $$$ I shelled out for an HHKB. I like the Type Heaven a lot! It feels a lot heavier and more substantial than I thought it would, and the ABS keys don't particularly bother me. Being a Mac user, I had to monkey around in Karabiner to get the F keys to work for media functions and volume, but it was not a big deal at all.

A lot of people here on this forum are living in a pretty rarefied world, but let's remember that at $150 new, a Type Heaven is definitely a very "premium" keyboard for most people -- and to me it feels premium for sure.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Tue, 05 May 2015, 18:05:59
What's the difference between RF87U standard and EK edition, quality wise? I know it's 45g but is there anything else that makes it less in anyway?

AFAIK that is the only difference.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Bucake on Tue, 05 May 2015, 18:35:53
What's the difference between RF87U standard and EK edition, quality wise? I know it's 45g but is there anything else that makes it less in anyway?

AFAIK that is the only difference.

legends are consistent on the EK edition. which, in my opinion, is a pretty big deal.

i've also read that the material of the caps are different between the EK edition and the (white-grey) original versions.
but this might just be black vs white caps, and not necessarily EK caps vs original caps. (the former is my guess.)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Tue, 05 May 2015, 19:37:04


What's the difference between RF87U standard and EK edition, quality wise? I know it's 45g but is there anything else that makes it less in anyway?

AFAIK that is the only difference.

legends are consistent on the EK edition. which, in my opinion, is a pretty big deal.

i've also read that the material of the caps are different between the EK edition and the (white-grey) original versions.
but this might just be black vs white caps, and not necessarily EK caps vs original caps. (the former is my guess.)

Are saying the EK's are consistent opposed to other variants, or was it a typo?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: lookitdisnub on Tue, 05 May 2015, 21:09:22
What's the difference between RF87U standard and EK edition, quality wise? I know it's 45g but is there anything else that makes it less in anyway?

Red caps lock LED
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: aznairjordan on Wed, 06 May 2015, 00:56:45
I just bought the MX to Topre Sliders from the JTK groupbuy on CTRLALT. Does anyone have a guide that I can look at to see how I'm going to install them on my Realforce 104UB?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Wed, 06 May 2015, 00:59:10
I just bought the MX to Topre Sliders from the JTK groupbuy on CTRLALT. Does anyone have a guide that I can look at to see how I'm going to install them on my Realforce 104UB?
If you search you will find the info you need. Basically you just remove the old sliders and put the new ones in. There are plenty of guides around though.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Herothereu on Wed, 06 May 2015, 10:32:07
Any links?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 06 May 2015, 10:37:03
Any links?

Lots of links, be more specific.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Bucake on Wed, 06 May 2015, 14:26:20


What's the difference between RF87U standard and EK edition, quality wise? I know it's 45g but is there anything else that makes it less in anyway?

AFAIK that is the only difference.

legends are consistent on the EK edition. which, in my opinion, is a pretty big deal.

i've also read that the material of the caps are different between the EK edition and the (white-grey) original versions.
but this might just be black vs white caps, and not necessarily EK caps vs original caps. (the former is my guess.)

Are saying the EK's are consistent opposed to other variants, or was it a typo?

yes.

EK edition:
(https://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/se19e0_1000_117_th0x0.jpg)

non-EK:
(https://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/SE070S_full1000_th0x0.jpg)

looking at the non-EK edition, notice the funny legends on the right side of the board; print screen, home, insert, page up, etc. the whole block just looks messed up. for example, the space between 'Page' and 'Up' is too big. the letters on these keys are weirdly thin, and 'squished together', relative to legends on the Num Lock key, for example.
the EK edition has more consistency in the font, spacing and centering of the legends.
other differences are: Enter, Tab, Backspace, CapsLock.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Wed, 06 May 2015, 14:45:31


What's the difference between RF87U standard and EK edition, quality wise? I know it's 45g but is there anything else that makes it less in anyway?

AFAIK that is the only difference.

legends are consistent on the EK edition. which, in my opinion, is a pretty big deal.

i've also read that the material of the caps are different between the EK edition and the (white-grey) original versions.
but this might just be black vs white caps, and not necessarily EK caps vs original caps. (the former is my guess.)

Are saying the EK's are consistent opposed to other variants, or was it a typo?

yes.

EK edition:
Show Image
(https://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/se19e0_1000_117_th0x0.jpg)


non-EK:
Show Image
(https://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/SE070S_full1000_th0x0.jpg)


looking at the non-EK edition, notice the funny legends on the right side of the board; print screen, home, insert, page up, etc. the whole block just looks messed up. for example, the space between 'Page' and 'Up' is too big. the letters on these keys are weirdly thin, and 'squished together', relative to legends on the Num Lock key, for example.
the EK edition has more consistency in the font, spacing and centering of the legends.
other differences are: Enter, Tab, Backspace, CapsLock.
I see what you mean. I'll have to take a look at mine this evening to see how it compares.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: cinnamoncider on Sat, 23 May 2015, 06:24:16
I recently bought my first topre keyboard last month; which is a HHKB Pro 2. I bought it from amazon.co.jp and shipped through Tenso (http://"https://www.tenso.com/en"). It seems that this is the only cheapest way to get my hands on this keyboard. Costed me ¥25,350(~US$208) for the board and ¥2,880(~US$24) for the forwarding fee. I didn't want to pay a huge Customs tax so I lowered its declaration value to ¥3,000(~US$25) :))

Initial thoughts and impressions
I was a bit underwhelmed. The real feels on these are not how I imagine them to be. I'm a bit disappointed. It didn't left the same impression to me when I ascended from cheap rubber dome membrane keyboards to mechanical(my first board has Cherry MX Brown), but I'm pretty sure that if this was my first board; it would feel like it was Godsend. I assumed that it would feel a bit stiff, rubbery like a toilet plunger, and the "thock" sound would be more pronounced. I overestimated topre because of all the cup rubber goodness hype. They feel like smoother and softer ergo clears. Still, I have no regrets.

Some folks told me it might take some time before I appreciate topre. So I let it grew into me... they were right. :D

After a month of usage cycle with other Cherry MX keyboards
Topre keyboards are really comfortable to be typed on. It doesn't need a lot of effort to type. And when you push a key - you would know that it did register, because if you push halfway - the rubber dome will compress to bottom out and easily decompresses or I would call "snap back" into place - which produces the "thock" sound when the base of the slider hits the face plate surface. Bottoming out in topre switches are gentle because of rubber, unlike with Cherry MX switches that's made from plastic.

I constantly cycle between Shine 3(MX Brown), Poker II(MX Black), and HHKB Pro 2(Topre 45g). All I could say is that there's no switch that "suck", each of them has their own unique "points" that makes them different from each other; mostly Topre.

Topre keyboards are expensive
They are indeed expensive as a "mass produced" keyboard. But a factor for it's high price compared to usual mechanical keyboards is that its switch design is different from Cherry MX switches - that can be mass produced instantly and be bought as bulk or piece. Topre switches, however, is different; the switch comprises of the rubber dome, spring, slider, and the face plate of the keyboard case to hold the sliders. This may be one of the reason on why you won't be seeing custom(sold as kit/built from scratch) topre keyboards anytime soon.

Prices of topre keyboards may vary from where you'll get one(local retailer, forwarder from Japan, 2nd hand, etc). But if you'll compare its price to custom keyboards that costs for more than US$300; topre keyboards are not that expensive at all  ;)

(http://i.imgur.com/uzxVp7j.jpg)

TL;DR
Topre switches are awesome and expensive :D

BTW, replace your Topre ABS spacebars with PBT spacebars (http://"https://www.massdrop.com/buy/topre-pbt-spacebar?mode=guest_open"). Organized and made possible by Matt3o. Topre PBT Spacebar GB Thread (http://"https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=72127.0")
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: IAmTheGuy on Thu, 28 May 2015, 20:31:22
Does Topre develop key chattering?  I'm quite fed up with chattering atm.  T.T
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 30 May 2015, 21:23:41
Does Topre develop key chattering?  I'm quite fed up with chattering atm.  T.T

I haven't heard of it before in relation to Topre switches.

My HHKB is just over 4 years old, is second hand, and shows no signs of chatter at all.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 30 May 2015, 21:28:14
Does Topre develop key chattering?  I'm quite fed up with chattering atm.  T.T
What board are you using?
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: IAmTheGuy on Thu, 04 June 2015, 05:04:24
Matias Quiet Pro mini.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Thu, 04 June 2015, 08:16:37
From what I understand, the Topre was actually developed with reducing key-chattering in mind. From the Deskthority wiki, on the Topre Patent:

"The present invention has been made in consideration of the above situation, and has as its object to provide a keyboard switch wherein constant hysteresis can be obtained without changing the operation characteristics even if an operation value is arbitrarily set, thereby properly preventing chattering, and wherein an operator can know that the operation member has been depressed to a depth corresponding to the operation value."

From my experience with using Topre, key-chatter is practically non-existent. It's like typing on a piano - the feeling is as if you're hitting solid blocks of plastic, rather than hitting a keycap that's sitting on a "switch". Virtually no key wobble, basically. That should give you a feel for how solid-feeling Topre switches are.

But, as you say, in your thread regarding gaming switches, the tactility might be a little difficult for you when gaming. The only way to find out is by trying it out, really.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: dwk396 on Thu, 04 June 2015, 14:29:53
OMG...
I just got Realforce 87U 55g white version.
It feels so great!
Now, my Razer Blackwidow Chroma feels so cheap that I cannot stand it anymore!!!
I want to try FC660C and HHKB Pro2 and more!
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 04 June 2015, 14:34:02
OMG...
I just got Realforce 87U 55g white version.
It feels so great!
Now, my Razer Blackwidow Chroma feels so cheap that I cannot stand it anymore!!!
I want to try FC660C and HHKB Pro2 and more!
the HHKB should be next on your list!

Once you have your HHKB, you will be welcomed into the halls of vahalla.  :cool:
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: TopreFan333 on Thu, 04 June 2015, 16:02:34
Now, my Razer Blackwidow Chroma feels so cheap that I cannot stand it anymore!!!

Exactly what happened to me with my KUL. Not that it was a badly made keyboard by any stretch -- but Cherry switches just feel so gritty and rough after getting used to Topre.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 05 June 2015, 01:13:10
OMG...
I just got Realforce 87U 55g white version.
It feels so great!
Now, my Razer Blackwidow Chroma feels so cheap that I cannot stand it anymore!!!
I want to try FC660C and HHKB Pro2 and more!

Welcome to the light side :)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Cafeine on Mon, 08 June 2015, 05:49:11
Mechs Keyboards in Tokyo...

Short version: my HHKB Type-S is finally home.

(http://i.imgur.com/vQoIYWg.jpg)

Long version: Tokyo is awesome.
Full album (http://imgur.com/a/u7vov) (well, only the KB related stuff)

I spent 5 days in Tokyo (3 weeks in Japan - Kanazawa, Nara, Kobe, Kumamoto & Ishigaki (south of Okinawa) and around those places) and came back last Wednesday.

I hunted keyboards for almost a full day in Akihabara and as already reported, it's not that easy to find some models, even if it's "made in Japan". Seoul is still the best for that kind of "sport". BTW, I confirmed via email with Topre that all the RF made for Leopold are ONLY found in Korea (I'm looking at you, Realforce 10th Y anniversary edition...)

One product was remarkably absent from MANY stores: the HHKB.  And for the few shops that DO have it, the Type-S version isn't often on the menu... A lot of shops had ONLY the Japanese versions of the Realforce too. So plan in advance and know that if you order on Amazon.co.jp in the morning, you can have something delivered the very same day. Can save you a lot of trouble. Note: HHKB is easier to find in mainstream shops like Bic Camera, etc.

For Topre lovers, Tsukumo is the place to go. Small shop in Akiba, with the "nerd section" underground, take the stairs to level -1. Easy to spot ➜ it's close to the AKB48 café, which is very close to one of the exit of the Akihabara station.

Food was my second interest and DAMN it was good. You can check my Instagram (https://instagram.com/zecaf/) for that. But know that Ishigaki Beef Sushi and Kobe beef are AS GOOD as you may imagine. If you're not vegan. ;)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Genrilee on Mon, 08 June 2015, 12:57:22
I've been using my HHKB for a month now and decided to try out the ghetto silence mod using rings punched out of a sheet of packing foam. Took a couple of hours to make the rings and fit them onto the stems. I'm really surprised at how well it's deadened the upstroke clack sound! The overall effect seems to reduce overall key rattle. The classic topre "thock" sound seems to have been retained.
(https://geekhack.org/profile_pictures/47955_1433784858.JPG)
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: colomb on Thu, 02 July 2015, 13:53:42
I couldn't find any mention of this anywhere on GH which is surprising because Hypershpere is a member, but he has an interest check running at Deskthority for Topre silencing rings: http://deskthority.net/help-f53/silencing-rings-for-topre-rf-or-hhkb-t10051-30.html

I've been hunting for a donor board for quite some time, so this is a welcome alternative. Apologies if this has already been posted somewhere and I missed it.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: derb2k2 on Thu, 02 July 2015, 16:29:41
I couldn't find any mention of this anywhere on GH which is surprising because Hypershpere is a member, but he has an interest check running at Deskthority for Topre silencing rings: http://deskthority.net/help-f53/silencing-rings-for-topre-rf-or-hhkb-t10051-30.html

I've been hunting for a donor board for quite some time, so this is a welcome alternative. Apologies if this has already been posted somewhere and I missed it.

I've known about this for quite a while, but it seems like he's too busy or maybe abandoned the whole idea. I was definitely in for some since I tried the other silencing mods and didn't like any.

Damn shame because I really dislike the upstroke clack. Hopefully he can come through.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: IonutZ on Fri, 03 July 2015, 06:34:45
Going back to the consistency of those legends, I guarantee you all of those keycaps are printed in the same place, EK, Non-EK. Maybe it's just a matter of white vs black keycaps.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Bucake on Fri, 03 July 2015, 12:18:30
Going back to the consistency of those legends, I guarantee you all of those keycaps are printed in the same place, EK, Non-EK. Maybe it's just a matter of white vs black keycaps.

the difference is so obvious..

edit: i think it's dangerous for you to make such a claim. if someone believes you and makes a purchase thinking he will get nice legends, he might be very disappointed.

open these two links in seperate tabs:
https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless&pid=rf_se19e0
https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless&pid=rf_se17t0
enlarge the second picture for both boards
now just switch between the two tabs and compare the legends..

like i said, the difference is obvious.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: TopreFan333 on Sat, 04 July 2015, 11:20:17
Going back to the consistency of those legends, I guarantee you all of those keycaps are printed in the same place, EK, Non-EK. Maybe it's just a matter of white vs black keycaps.

They may be printed in the same place, but they're definitely not laid out the same way. As Bucake above points out, the difference is really obvious if you look.
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: t888 on Mon, 06 July 2015, 20:26:02
Mechs Keyboards in Tokyo...

Short version: my HHKB Type-S is finally home.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/vQoIYWg.jpg)


Long version: Tokyo is awesome.
Full album (http://imgur.com/a/u7vov) (well, only the KB related stuff)

I spent 5 days in Tokyo (3 weeks in Japan - Kanazawa, Nara, Kobe, Kumamoto & Ishigaki (south of Okinawa) and around those places) and came back last Wednesday.

I hunted keyboards for almost a full day in Akihabara and as already reported, it's not that easy to find some models, even if it's "made in Japan". Seoul is still the best for that kind of "sport". BTW, I confirmed via email with Topre that all the RF made for Leopold are ONLY found in Korea (I'm looking at you, Realforce 10th Y anniversary edition...)

One product was remarkably absent from MANY stores: the HHKB.  And for the few shops that DO have it, the Type-S version isn't often on the menu... A lot of shops had ONLY the Japanese versions of the Realforce too. So plan in advance and know that if you order on Amazon.co.jp in the morning, you can have something delivered the very same day. Can save you a lot of trouble. Note: HHKB is easier to find in mainstream shops like Bic Camera, etc.

For Topre lovers, Tsukumo is the place to go. Small shop in Akiba, with the "nerd section" underground, take the stairs to level -1. Easy to spot ➜ it's close to the AKB48 café, which is very close to one of the exit of the Akihabara station.

Food was my second interest and DAMN it was good. You can check my Instagram (https://instagram.com/zecaf/) for that. But know that Ishigaki Beef Sushi and Kobe beef are AS GOOD as you may imagine. If you're not vegan. ;)

Fantastic post.  Thanks for sharing.  My wife has been trying to get me to visit Asia this year and stop in Korea.  Keyboard hunting sounds like a fun and exiting thing to do.  Looking at your photos makes me want to travel again.  It's been too long...
Title: Re: Topre Appreciation Thread!
Post by: Cafeine on Tue, 14 July 2015, 10:21:33
Do it mate, Seoul is the best place in the WORLD to do some KB hunting and the food will be awesome enough to rest your tired feet. :D  It's on my list for the next trip, with some diving in Jeju Island. :)