So all of you paid a ridiculous amount for a mediocre keyboard, and now you've come to lick your wounds with each other... :D
Appreciation?? More like "Topre refugee camp" :))
Full disclosure: I am thinking about ordering a 55g from EK since they're on sale right now.
Please stop quoting TP. It defeats having him on my ignore list.Full disclosure: I am thinking about ordering a 55g from EK since they're on sale right now.
For almost $100 less than what I bought mine for.... grrrrrrrrr
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in b4 haters.
TJ - Get a 55g. I promise you, that is the epitome of Topre switches.
TJ - Get a 55g. I promise you, that is the epitome of Topre switches.
I dunno, after the meet up today, I think 30 are pretty sweet.
TJ - Get a 55g. I promise you, that is the epitome of Topre switches.
I dunno, after the meet up today, I think 30 are pretty sweet.
But you have girly-shark hands.... :P
TJ - Get a 55g. I promise you, that is the epitome of Topre switches.
I dunno, after the meet up today, I think 30 are pretty sweet.
But you have girly-shark hands.... :P
It's weird! I prefer blacks to reds, or clear to browns or greens to blues. But think I may prefer lighter topre.
Chomp chomp, HHKB is sex
55g FTFW.
If the HHKB came in 55g I'd buy like 3 of 'em, no joke.
55g FTFW.
If the HHKB came in 55g I'd buy like 3 of 'em, no joke.
ekw808 did an HHKB Type-S 55g mod. I am thinking of doing the same if I can find a cheap enough donor board.
ekw808 did an HHKB Type-S 55g mod. I am thinking of doing the same if I can find a cheap enough donor board.
Damn that's awesome. I'd love to try it out too, but good luck finding an inexpensive 55g. And I don't think I could stomach dropping $250 just to rip out the guts of a 55g 87u :(
So all of you paid a ridiculous amount for a mediocre keyboardtopre keyboards are nice. and if their price is ridiculous for your wallet, stop whining and start making money :p
I am bored of him being on this forum.There is an ignore function on GeekHack. Under your profile, friends/ignore list or something similar if you'd like.
I am bored of him being on this forum.There is an ignore function on GeekHack. Under your profile, friends/ignore list or something similar if you'd like.
Well, you could simply just put the HHKB rubbers back into the RF, and have a 45g RF and a 55g HHKB :P
So you aren't really throwing the money away
when I said I was selling my realforce even though it was very nice he PMd me and asked about my real feelings on the matter lol
[...] there is so much less strain on my fingers from typing all day ... it truly is what a keyboard should be
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Remember there are lower quality topres out there than Realforces. I've seen OEM Topres go for as little as $75.
Actually I think in Japan they are clearing stock of old TKL versions, they are selling the old 91 TKLs for less than $150 in some places.
Here's one:
http://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B000EQHU6M/r
TKL, Japanese 91 Key Layout, Lasered PBT Keycaps, 13,453 Yen (About $145 US)
You'll need a forwarding service like Tenso if your buying it from there though since Amazon doesn't ship electronics internationally.
Considering what I've spent on KDM boards, price isn't really a problem anymore.
The reason why I've had the page up to add one to a cart from EK for three days now is I'm worried that I'll either:
1. Like it so much that the mx-mini and lz-gh that I've spent big bucks on will go dusty from disuse (or at least one of them will as I have two PCs I use and only getting one topre...) OR
2. Hate it and then not be able to resell it
The first $150 ish dollars is build quality. The rest of the cost comes from artificial scarcity and lack of competition.agreed.
and i ****en like the thock. can't understand why people pay even more price overhead for silenced boards.
I don't know about the HHKB Pro, but the Realforce has much, much better build quality, than any Filco, or CM Storm keyboard I've tried.
I'm not asking this to troll, but I am legitimately curious, since I have never owned a Topre. What about the build of a Realforce is much better in quailty than that of the Filco? Surely you are speaking only of the keycaps. Or is there something else?I think the build quality is overestimated. It's good like Filco - my HHKB is sturdy even though its plate isn't metal - but even then there are outstanding issues that some here seem to readily dismiss: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39248.0
I personally wouldn't say the build quality is much better than a Filco (except for the caps... PBT > ABS any day of the week). I've owned numerous Filcos, and 3 RFs, and I'd say they're pretty much on par as far as build quality goes.
55g is where it is.
Before he types on each keyboard, he swipes his fingers across all the keys, to show the differences in key wobble. I don't know if it's readily apparent in the video, but you can kind of tell the Filco's switches are a little more loose, and have a little more wobble.
And when he types, notice how they sound differently. The Filco sounds a little more hollow, probably because there is less in the body, vs. the Topre, which has a deeper sound, probably because it's heavier. Also, the Topre switches seem much more smooth, and more solid.
I disagree with the notion that it's the rubber cups creating the less hollow sound.What do you think is creating the sound if it's not the rubber?
I disagree with the notion that it's the rubber cups creating the less hollow sound.What do you think is creating the sound if it's not the rubber?
Realforce 45g vs 55g or HHKB Pro 2The only reason you'd want an HHKB is if the small profile and portability is something you need. That and there is a small learning curve before the Fn shortcuts become integrated into muscle memory.
Actually, yea, plastic can. See: ABS vs. PBT.HHKB has excellent build quality. All its features cater to portability (i.e. the plate is plastic and the overall keyboard is light) and I don't see them as drawbacks.
And the way plastics are put together and assembled can vary widely, and can be indicative of overall quality of the product's manufacturing process.
Also, you're comparing an HHKB to a Filco. I've never used an HHKB so I can't comment on that.
Don't bother with Type-S. It's a $100 gimmick. Topres are already silent compared to every MX switch I've tried.
Don't bother with Type-S. It's a $100 gimmick. Topres are already silent compared to every MX switch I've tried.
I won't argue that's it's worth $100, but it's not a gimmick. There's a marked difference in the sound between the standard and Type-S versions. See the video I posted earlier.
Filcos are very chatty :) "Quieter" doesn't mean "quiet".
I won't argue that's it's worth $100, but it's not a gimmick. There's a marked difference in the sound between the standard and Type-S versions. See the video I posted earlier.
Yeah, it isn't a $100 modification though.The fact that it somehow is a $100 price difference (even more for HHKB Type-S) makes it a gimmick.
I disagree with the notion that it's the rubber cups creating the less hollow sound.What do you think is creating the sound if it's not the rubber?
The fact that it somehow is a $100 price difference (even more for HHKB Type-S) makes it a gimmick.
I know I've been talking about it for a while, but I'm close. I've picked out fancy colored caps, now I'm just deciding on if I want to just go 55g or take another risk on 45g and get an HHKB instead....
Bro capefaceman, any chance for topre bro caps?
I know I've been talking about it for a while, but I'm close. I've picked out fancy colored caps, now I'm just deciding on if I want to just go 55g or take another risk on 45g and get an HHKB instead....
Bro capefaceman, any chance for topre bro caps?
Ah gotcha, if I had to guess it would've been because of the switch composition. And since topre boards' switches are "more integrated" than Cherry MX it makes sense that certain boards feel more solid. It sounds like what I was thinking falls in line with RF experiences.I disagree with the notion that it's the rubber cups creating the less hollow sound.What do you think is creating the sound if it's not the rubber?
I speculated on thicker plastic, which is true now that I have both cases apart. It's also construction components. How the plastic is molded for acoustics and stability. The thickness of the plastic definitely creates a more solid feeling. It's definitely a combination of case and switch that give it the overall feel that many admire. I am not downplaying Filcos at all, but I definitely feel the RF boards are a lot more 'solid'.
After reading this thread, Topre really sounds like the old IBM rubber dome keyboard I use at work. It's surprisingly high quality and has that soft thock everyone keeps talking about.there is at least one capacitive rubber dome ibm out there that feels very similar to topre; i've tried one before and would love to get my hands on one for myself...
I know I've been talking about it for a while, but I'm close. I've picked out fancy colored caps, now I'm just deciding on if I want to just go 55g or take another risk on 45g and get an HHKB instead....
Bro capefaceman, any chance for topre bro caps?
Definitely go with 55g if you type heavy. At least for me, personally, it's the primo topre switch.
As for topre bro caps, not the current design. Future designs, yes :)
Which weight is closest to that of a mx blue? I am going to order a realforce today and I don't know if should get 45, 55 or various. What would you guys suggest if I love the weight of blues?
Which weight is closest to that of a mx blue? I am going to order a realforce today and I don't know if should get 45, 55 or various. What would you guys suggest if I love the weight of blues?Uniform 45g for sure.
Probably the thread to ask...I wish the HHKB I have is printed white keycaps. Black on dark grey is cool, but so difficult to see in the dark. Not sure on the longevity of the keycaps, but rest assured PBT will take a lot of abuse before showing wear.
HHKB white vs black.
How is it? Do the white keys / board yellow quickly?
Not sure on the longevity of the keycaps, but rest assured PBT will take a lot of abuse before showing wear.
true thatWhich weight is closest to that of a mx blue? I am going to order a realforce today and I don't know if should get 45, 55 or various. What would you guys suggest if I love the weight of blues?Uniform 45g for sure.
true thatWhich weight is closest to that of a mx blue? I am going to order a realforce today and I don't know if should get 45, 55 or various. What would you guys suggest if I love the weight of blues?Uniform 45g for sure.
I just ordered the 45g board in black. Can't wait to try it out.
This topic needs more pics
I've got an 87u in my cart along with some other stuff, but I can't pull the trigger for some reason. I don't know if it's my being-built LZ-GH, the new kmac happy or what, but there's just something stopping me from just giving EK my money for that 55g weighted boob squishes...
I've got an 87u in my cart along with some other stuff, but I can't pull the trigger for some reason. I don't know if it's my being-built LZ-GH, the new kmac happy or what, but there's just something stopping me from just giving EK my money for that 55g weighted boob squishes...that's because you want 45g!
I've got an 87u in my cart along with some other stuff, but I can't pull the trigger for some reason. I don't know if it's my being-built LZ-GH, the new kmac happy or what, but there's just something stopping me from just giving EK my money for that 55g weighted boob squishes...that's because you want 45g!
Had one, too light.
Had one, too light.
*Manly-hand high-five!*
You will only love Topre more and more as you type on it.
Also, it's built like it was meant for use in a war zone. :eek:seriously? have you ever seen an ibm model m?
You will only love Topre more and more as you type on it.not necessarily. it seems i like mine less and less. maybe once i end up selling the board. just like jdcarpe. or some other forum members.
Also, it's built like it was meant for use in a war zone. :oseriously? have you ever seen an ibm model m?You will only love Topre more and more as you type on it.not necessarily. it seems i like mine less and less. maybe once i end up selling the board. just like jdcarpe. of some other forum members.
Personally, I think the HHKB is particularly well suited for the Mac, but that's probably just because Mac OS has Unix underpinnings.
Personally, I think the HHKB is particularly well suited for the Mac, but that's probably just because Mac OS has Unix underpinnings.
Damn you guys, all this talk about Topre is making me want to buy one!
MUST.... RESIST!
Time will tell but I'm thinking of selling it and ordering a HHKB pro2.
Thanks for that new Flip I'm new here and I could not seem to list in the classifieds so I had to resort to the you know who auction site! I would love for a geekhacker to receive this keyboard. Maybe I can figure out how to sell in the classifieds here as I have many keyboards that I have purchased to "try out" for a while and then they end up off my desk. I would love to let other geekhackers get them at a deal. When i buy the HHKB I'm going to try and buy here first!
Love this place!
Jeremy
Just post in threads you are interested in. If you make only 5 posts per day, in just 12 days you will have 60, enough to post a new thread in the classifieds.
If anyone wants a variable board, this was just reposted:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Realforce-Topre-87U-Tenkeyless-White-/181096148747?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item2a2a2bef0b
You know ebay takes 9% of the sale and then paypal takes a percentage so you probably are better off listing it on this site under classifieds. Keep more of your money! :D
This topic needs more pics
Thanks for that new Flip I'm new here and I could not seem to list in the classifieds so I had to resort to the you know who auction site! I would love for a geekhacker to receive this keyboard. Maybe I can figure out how to sell in the classifieds here as I have many keyboards that I have purchased to "try out" for a while and then they end up off my desk. I would love to let other geekhackers get them at a deal. When i buy the HHKB I'm going to try and buy here first!
Love this place!
Jeremy
Just post in threads you are interested in. If you make only 5 posts per day, in just 12 days you will have 60, enough to post a new thread in the classifieds.
Happy Hacking Keyboard came into today :D.fn - backtick (upper right key) is del
First question, how do I control-alt-delete with the delete key functioning as a backspace...
Happy Hacking Keyboard came into today :D.fn - backtick (upper right key) is del
First question, how do I control-alt-delete with the delete key functioning as a backspace...
Happy Hacking Keyboard came into today :D.
First question, how do I control-alt-delete with the delete key functioning as a backspace...
Happy Hacking Keyboard came into today :D.
First question, how do I control-alt-delete with the delete key functioning as a backspace...
How do you like it? I said to myself I would never spend that much on a keyboard a few years ago.. Now I got the urge..
I didn't like my Realforce at first when I got it either. I felt a bit ripped off, but after using it for a few weeks, it became my daily driver at home. I enjoy typing on it and you can tell that Topre switches feel a lot sturdier than MX, not to say I don't love all of my MX switches.
I rock WoW on my HHKB all the time. Love it.
I rock WoW on my HHKB all the time. Love it.
Did that yesterday and maybe again today! I don't use any weird key bindings, so HHKB is perfect.
I got my 55g today, will use it a little later as I also got a custom poker, too.
I use mine for WoW as well without any issues. I do however use a naga for all my abilities, 1-12 and shift+1-12 will usually cover most classes. Have some stuff bound to my hhkb but not much.
I got my 55g today, will use it a little later as I also got a custom poker, too.
Well I broke down and already have huge buyers remorse. Ended up buying a HKKB pro2 lastnight... Will see how I like it, I just cant get over how much I just spent.. I told myself if I do love it I would sell my leopold and I already had plans to sell my filco to help relieve some of the cost.
Well I broke down and already have huge buyers remorse. Ended up buying a HKKB pro2 lastnight... Will see how I like it, I just cant get over how much I just spent.. I told myself if I do love it I would sell my leopold and I already had plans to sell my filco to help relieve some of the cost.
There's no crying in baseball...err keyboards.
I have a question about the dip switches on the back of the keyboard. I am trying to use the first switch to swap ctrl and caps lock, but flipping the switch doesn't seem to have any effect. Am I missing some very obvious problem that's making this not work?
I have a question about the dip switches on the back of the keyboard. I am trying to use the first switch to swap ctrl and caps lock, but flipping the switch doesn't seem to have any effect. Am I missing some very obvious problem that's making this not work?
You either have to change the switch when the board is unplugged, or unplug and replug it in after changing it. It's not a live update kinda thing.
do topre switch keyboards ever go on sale? i'd love to try one but the price is little rich for my blood.
do topre switch keyboards ever go on sale? i'd love to try one but the price is little rich for my blood.
I hear ya.. Although when I sat there and thought about it a cherry keyboard usually goes for around $100-130. Then personally I hate abs key caps and most of the standard keycaps that come with cherry keyboards so you figure another $50-100. At that point your already not far off from the price of a topre.. Another good thing is the resale value on them is pretty high so if you dont like it you can probably sell it fairly easily and get back most the money you spent. This is at least how I justified my purchase... :)
do topre switch keyboards ever go on sale? i'd love to try one but the price is little rich for my blood.keep an eye on the classifieds. both my topre boards are used... i'd never pay retail for one :P
I think so.
The week long verdict is in. I like it, but I don't rank it higher than the others I have. I can see using it like I use my others for 3 days - 1 month at a time with no worries, then wanting to feel a different feel when I type and swapping.
On the other hand, 55g is so much more better than 45g to me with it comes to realforce.
Ergo clears are pretty epic and actually feel kind of similar to Topres in a weird way.I think so.
The week long verdict is in. I like it, but I don't rank it higher than the others I have. I can see using it like I use my others for 3 days - 1 month at a time with no worries, then wanting to feel a different feel when I type and swapping.
On the other hand, 55g is so much more better than 45g to me with it comes to realforce.
I'd tried blues, browns and reds before this, and I can't see myself ever going back to any of those over the 45g Topre I got. In fact I've sold my Poker with reds, and I have my other two keyboards with blues sitting in a drawer now. I have a Phantom with Ergo-clears in the works, so I'm still pretty excited for that. If I end up liking the Topre better, I'll probably sell the Phantom so I can get a HHKB and maybe a Topre CC.
i want to try topres out :D
i want to try topres out :D
Keychains are not an effective way to test a topre switch. Big differences in feel between plate mounted Realforces and HHKB's. So make sure you try an actual board, not a lone switch :)
Curiosity got the better of me today and I ordered a 55g 87u to try. :eek:
Curiosity got the better of me today and I ordered a 55g 87u to try. :eek:
I love the heavy thock and ping of the 55g. It just makes the board so damned good. I believe the 55g is what Realforces were meant for.
55g white RF baby....April 5 son...it's on!
Does anyone know if the "silent" realforce is available in a 45g or 55g config? Want to pick up a silent topre and the realforce price is a lot more tempting I just don't want that variable configuration ... well the 30g keys to be more specific.
All the Realforce silent ones are variable I was looking for a silent 45g or 55g but no luck, I don't think they make a fixed silent Realforce.
I don't think they exist. But you could certainly mod it yourself and save money:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40582
For the life of me I don't understand why anyone would want to silence such a wonderful sound... It's not even loud.. Hehe whatever to each their own I guess.
For the life of me I don't understand why anyone would want to silence such a wonderful sound... It's not even loud.. Hehe whatever to each their own I guess.
love topres. the hhkb got me hooked and the realforce just came in this week. :D
Wow 3 people stating they liked the 55g better, now I am curious... The only topre I have tried is my HHKB which is 45g, I honestly feel they are perfect as far as weight.. I prefer lighter switches since my joints in my fingers always kill due to long hours on the computer, but I wonder how light the 55 actually feels. Personally if/when I get a realforce I think 45g would be perfect, but again thats without trying a 55g. Isn't the variable switch model made mostly of 45g switches?
The thock sound on the downstoke is unchanged in the silent versions, but you guys like the clack sound on the upstroke?
I can relate to the sore knuckles. I had been using a Das Ultimate with browns for 2.5 years. At the end of a long day at my keyboard, my knuckles ached. I mean some days it was downright painful.because you were doing it wrong.
Either way, you will have less joint pain coming from Cherry MX.wrong. it's not necessary for a typist to bottom out on cherry mx. on the contrary, it's impossible to avoid bottoming out on topre, unless it's 30g. that's why a person with finger joint issues (and who can type properly on cherry mx switches) will experience less pain on cherries. or no pain at all. especially on the brown switch.
I can relate to the sore knuckles. I had been using a Das Ultimate with browns for 2.5 years. At the end of a long day at my keyboard, my knuckles ached. I mean some days it was downright painful.because you were doing it wrong.Either way, you will have less joint pain coming from Cherry MX.wrong. it's not necessary for a typist to bottom out on cherry mx. on the contrary, it's impossible to avoid bottoming out on topre, unless it's 30g. that's why a person with finger joint issues (and who can type properly on cherry mx switches) will experience less pain on cherries. or no pain at all. especially on the brown switch.
I can relate to the sore knuckles. I had been using a Das Ultimate with browns for 2.5 years. At the end of a long day at my keyboard, my knuckles ached. I mean some days it was downright painful.because you were doing it wrong.Either way, you will have less joint pain coming from Cherry MX.wrong. it's not necessary for a typist to bottom out on cherry mx. on the contrary, it's impossible to avoid bottoming out on topre, unless it's 30g. that's why a person with finger joint issues (and who can type properly on cherry mx switches) will experience less pain on cherries. or no pain at all. especially on the brown switch.
I can relate to the sore knuckles. I had been using a Das Ultimate with browns for 2.5 years. At the end of a long day at my keyboard, my knuckles ached. I mean some days it was downright painful.because you were doing it wrong.Either way, you will have less joint pain coming from Cherry MX.wrong. it's not necessary for a typist to bottom out on cherry mx. on the contrary, it's impossible to avoid bottoming out on topre, unless it's 30g. that's why a person with finger joint issues (and who can type properly on cherry mx switches) will experience less pain on cherries. or no pain at all. especially on the brown switch.
Every damn time. What is it with these threads?
it depends on the switch. on clears -- no, i don't. on reds -- i do from time to time, but it's a light touch, and it happens only when typing really fast. on 45g topre i, like everyone else, bottom out every time.I can relate to the sore knuckles. I had been using a Das Ultimate with browns for 2.5 years. At the end of a long day at my keyboard, my knuckles ached. I mean some days it was downright painful.because you were doing it wrong.Either way, you will have less joint pain coming from Cherry MX.wrong. it's not necessary for a typist to bottom out on cherry mx. on the contrary, it's impossible to avoid bottoming out on topre, unless it's 30g. that's why a person with finger joint issues (and who can type properly on cherry mx switches) will experience less pain on cherries. or no pain at all. especially on the brown switch.
this sounds fishy. are you floating while typing at max speed though? i would think it is near impossible not to bottom out when you're typing at 100+ WPM
Every damn time. What is it with these threads?
Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
Every damn time. What is it with these threads?
Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
I just wish it didn't have to degenerate into such a spite-fest.
We're nerds passionate about keyboards. Sometimes I laugh at myself because of this keyboard fetish I've developed. You do realize how off-the-chart nerdy we are right lol?
Well, I've never used a Topre board but ever since discovering them I have wanted to. The feel of the keyboard is one of the most important things to me, especially since I spend 8+ hours a day on a computer. Now I'm starting a pure coding job, so I decided I'm done using these stock Dell office keyboards at work and I'm going to suck it up and buy the best of the best for myself at work. I found that 87U Silent used (but apparently like-new) for only $210 and that seemed like an exceptional deal to me! So, in a day or two I'll be joining the Topre club and I'll post my impressions here!
Well, I've never used a Topre board but ever since discovering them I have wanted to. The feel of the keyboard is one of the most important things to me, especially since I spend 8+ hours a day on a computer. Now I'm starting a pure coding job, so I decided I'm done using these stock Dell office keyboards at work and I'm going to suck it up and buy the best of the best for myself at work. I found that 87U Silent used (but apparently like-new) for only $210 and that seemed like an exceptional deal to me! So, in a day or two I'll be joining the Topre club and I'll post my impressions here!
That's an awesome price. I hope you like it. :eek:
Well, I've never used a Topre board but ever since discovering them I have wanted to. The feel of the keyboard is one of the most important things to me, especially since I spend 8+ hours a day on a computer. Now I'm starting a pure coding job, so I decided I'm done using these stock Dell office keyboards at work and I'm going to suck it up and buy the best of the best for myself at work. I found that 87U Silent used (but apparently like-new) for only $210 and that seemed like an exceptional deal to me! So, in a day or two I'll be joining the Topre club and I'll post my impressions here!
That's an awesome price. I hope you like it. :eek:
True to form, this turned out to be a silent 87U in all white. It came in mint condition with all of the original accessories... I think I just got lucky!
Anyway, first impressions of using Topre switches is very positive. The solidness of how they feel can't be understated, it's evident from the moment I started typing why these boards go for a premium. My typing speed seems unaffected, and I like having a keyboard that I can hardware swap (via dipswitch) the control and caps lock key. All in all, this is obviously a great purchase for a job that involves excessive typing and coding. The only problem now is that I don't know how I'm going to live at home without one. I love my CM Storm Trigger (Brown MX), but this Realforce board is a whole new level.
Well, I've never used a Topre board but ever since discovering them I have wanted to. The feel of the keyboard is one of the most important things to me, especially since I spend 8+ hours a day on a computer. Now I'm starting a pure coding job, so I decided I'm done using these stock Dell office keyboards at work and I'm going to suck it up and buy the best of the best for myself at work. I found that 87U Silent used (but apparently like-new) for only $210 and that seemed like an exceptional deal to me! So, in a day or two I'll be joining the Topre club and I'll post my impressions here!
That's an awesome price. I hope you like it. :eek:
True to form, this turned out to be a silent 87U in all white. It came in mint condition with all of the original accessories... I think I just got lucky!
Anyway, first impressions of using Topre switches is very positive. The solidness of how they feel can't be understated, it's evident from the moment I started typing why these boards go for a premium. My typing speed seems unaffected, and I like having a keyboard that I can hardware swap (via dipswitch) the control and caps lock key. All in all, this is obviously a great purchase for a job that involves excessive typing and coding. The only problem now is that I don't know how I'm going to live at home without one. I love my CM Storm Trigger (Brown MX), but this Realforce board is a whole new level.
Congrats on your new board. I love my new HHKB with all 45g switches (I've had it for a week and a half), and next to it is my 87U variable silent. Personally, I prefer the lighter keys on the 87U. I'm definitely in the minority around here amongst the Realforce guys. Most prefer the 45g or 55g versions. The point here is that everybody is different. It's not based on finger strength either. I spent many years in construction before moving into IT. At times when I shake hands with someone, I can hear their hand bones pop. But I've found that lighter keys allow me to use a more relaxed, softer typing style, which I much prefer. My speed suffers about 5wpm. But I'm less prone to bottom out my keys and my joints don't ache at the end of a long day.
Somebody said earlier in this thread that typing on MX browns is less painful for them than Topre switches. I have found the opposite to be true. Maybe it's just differences in typing style. But my fingers thank me every day for my Topre boards.
IMHO, you just bought the best keyboard available today at any price.
Congrats on your new board. I love my new HHKB with all 45g switches (I've had it for a week and a half), and next to it is my 87U variable silent. Personally, I prefer the lighter keys on the 87U. I'm definitely in the minority around here amongst the Realforce guys. Most prefer the 45g or 55g versions. The point here is that everybody is different. It's not based on finger strength either. I spent many years in construction before moving into IT. At times when I shake hands with someone, I can hear their hand bones pop. But I've found that lighter keys allow me to use a more relaxed, softer typing style, which I much prefer. My speed suffers about 5wpm. But I'm less prone to bottom out my keys and my joints don't ache at the end of a long day.
Somebody said earlier in this thread that typing on MX browns is less painful for them than Topre switches. I have found the opposite to be true. Maybe it's just differences in typing style. But my fingers thank me every day for my Topre boards.
IMHO, you just bought the best keyboard available today at any price.
I just received an early birthday present from my GF...a Realforce 87u 55g uniform (white). Techincally, it's preordered...but whatevs....new RF yo!
I just received an early birthday present from my GF...a Realforce 87u 55g uniform (white). Techincally, it's preordered...but whatevs....new RF yo!
I just received an early birthday present from my GF...a Realforce 87u 55g uniform (white). Techincally, it's preordered...but whatevs....new RF yo!
Congrats on your new board. I love my new HHKB with all 45g switches (I've had it for a week and a half), and next to it is my 87U variable silent. Personally, I prefer the lighter keys on the 87U. I'm definitely in the minority around here amongst the Realforce guys. Most prefer the 45g or 55g versions. The point here is that everybody is different. It's not based on finger strength either. I spent many years in construction before moving into IT. At times when I shake hands with someone, I can hear their hand bones pop. But I've found that lighter keys allow me to use a more relaxed, softer typing style, which I much prefer. My speed suffers about 5wpm. But I'm less prone to bottom out my keys and my joints don't ache at the end of a long day.
Somebody said earlier in this thread that typing on MX browns is less painful for them than Topre switches. I have found the opposite to be true. Maybe it's just differences in typing style. But my fingers thank me every day for my Topre boards.
IMHO, you just bought the best keyboard available today at any price.
Thanks. The variable switches don't seem to bother me at all, I don't even notice. Without a doubt, my fingers will suffer less fatigue on the 87UWS than with my Cherry Browns (dampened with o-rings too). My typing speed doesn't seem to have changed with it, but my accuracy is improved. I thought my Storm Trigger was a solid board (and it is), but compared to the 87U it feels like a chitter-chattery mess. I dunno, I know everybody has their opinion and there's a LOT of debate about switches but to me it just seems to be a no-brainer: Topre all the way. I'm going to end up having to get one for home -- which I don't mind... but I made the mistake of telling my fiance how much these keyboards cost :) Then again, I bought this one for probably about $50-$80 less than I will be able to resell it for, so I'll be patient and see if I can find another deal like that in the near future.
Just purchased my first HHKB Pro 2 from Elite Keyboards (dark grey, non-printed, because I hate the look of printing on keys) :D :D :D . Now just to wait for it to arrive :(
Just purchased my first HHKB Pro 2 from Elite Keyboards (dark grey, non-printed, because I hate the look of printing on keys) :D :D :D . Now just to wait for it to arrive :(
You will soon be enjoying the feeling of oneness with cup rubber.
Just purchased my first HHKB Pro 2 from Elite Keyboards (dark grey, non-printed, because I hate the look of printing on keys) :D :D :D . Now just to wait for it to arrive :(
You will soon be enjoying the feeling of oneness with cup rubber.
Yup! Can't wait! Now that I'm going to be in the club can I be let in on where that started? XD :p
on a side note, does EK usually do one of those automated order confirmations? Or do they just give you the paypal receipt? I haven't received anything from EK yet >.>
It usually takes a few days to get any kind of order confirm from EK.
I don't know if anybody else here will agree with me, but I just wanted to say that I enjoy the good feeling of oneness with cup rubber.
And I have one more thing to say:
And this might be a bit controversial, so I'm just going to come out and say it: I love Topre. :))
Key-swap, keep both, take photos.
There. Sorted that out for you. :D
I also just got my first 55g board. Previously a 45g 87U user. I was on the fence for a long time about this purchase, but so far I LOVE THE 55G REALFORCE 87U.
Now I have to decide whether to sell the 45g (white). My new keyboard is black, so I was thinking of swapping the keys because I love a high contrast white/grey key on black look... but then it might be harder to sell the white one.
Damnit Amarok, me first! ;)
I also just got my first 55g board. Previously a 45g 87U user. I was on the fence for a long time about this purchase, but so far I LOVE THE 55G REALFORCE 87U.
Now I have to decide whether to sell the 45g (white). My new keyboard is black, so I was thinking of swapping the keys because I love a high contrast white/grey key on black look... but then it might be harder to sell the white one.
Sell me just the white keys. :rolleyes:
Key-swap, keep both, take photos.
There. Sorted that out for you. :D
This thread has convinced me that I need moar Topre keyboards.
To quote the Hon. Phil Gramm (R., retired), former Texas Senator, "I have as many [Topre keyboards] as I need, but I don't have as many [Topre keyboards] as I want." Springfield News-Leader; News-leader.com; 5/14/2008.
This thread has convinced me that I need moar Topre keyboards.
To quote the Hon. Phil Gramm (R., retired), former Texas Senator, "I have as many [Topre keyboards] as I need, but I don't have as many [Topre keyboards] as I want." Springfield News-Leader; News-leader.com; 5/14/2008.
Haha, that was a great article. I loved the part where he said he wanted to get an HHKB for his horse stables. If you have the money, why not?
Do some side-by-side comparisons too. Measure typing speeds on each ;)Key-swap, keep both, take photos.
There. Sorted that out for you. :D
I will definitely comply with your suggestions as far as swapping keys and taking pics. Whether I keep the 45g is still to be decided, however.
Interesting. Ducky announced they are also a Topre agent and reseller.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ducky-Keyboard/117547488320354
Interesting. Ducky announced they are also a Topre agent and reseller.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ducky-Keyboard/117547488320354
Got my first topre board...definitely interesting. I got a HHKB Pro2 Type-S, now I'm curious to see what 55g feels like.
Ahhh type s...so thocking quiet!
Ahhh type s...so thocking quiet!
You going to join the Type-S Buddy Club, bro?
Dunno...I'm torn on a nomral HHKB or the Typse S. I've heard the Type S has reduced key travel from some.
I can't make up my thocking mind.
Ahhh type s...so thocking quiet!
You going to join the Type-S Buddy Club, bro?
Dunno...I'm torn on a nomral HHKB or the Typse S. I've heard the Type S has reduced key travel from some.
I can't make up my thocking mind.
They're both sitting right here. It does make a noticeable difference. The regular Topre switches don't bottom out as easily. I prefer the Type-S not due to the sound, but because of the feel (due to reduced travel). They're faster.
Ahhh type s...so thocking quiet!
It's thock. How the thock did you think it was thonk? :PAhhh type s...so thocking quiet!
Ok...is it 'thock' or 'thonk'?
They're both sitting right here. It does make a noticeable difference. The regular Topre switches don't bottom out as easily. I prefer the Type-S not due to the sound, but because of the feel (due to reduced travel). They're faster.
It's thock. How the thock did you think it was thonk? :PAhhh type s...so thocking quiet!
Ok...is it 'thock' or 'thonk'?
They're both sitting right here. It does make a noticeable difference. The regular Topre switches don't bottom out as easily. I prefer the Type-S not due to the sound, but because of the feel (due to reduced travel). They're faster.
I've had an 87U silent for about four months. I bought it new. I just got a new non-silenced HHKB Pro 2 a few weeks ago. I like them both for different reasons.
I actually enjoy the sound of the HHKB. It's still much quieter than my MX browns or reds, and the 'thonk' sound is...soothing. But if I had to pick only one today, it would be the 87U. Maybe in a month I'll feel different. But IMHO, the 87U has a refinement level a tad higher. I dont know enough about keyboard engineering to say why, but my guess is the metal mounting plate in the Realforce.
Regarding typing speed; I did some speed comparisons between the two. I'm ~ 3 wpm faster on the 87U every time using the same text on TypeRacer. I'm currently around 60 wpm on Colemak. (Just switched from Qwerty to Colemak three months ago. Still have a ways to go before I'm at full speed. But I was capped out at 70 wpm on Qwerty. With Colemak, I'm expecting to be at 90 + wpm by year's end.)
Regarding reduced travel between silenced and non-silenced; I honestly cant tell a difference. It does feel different. I don't know if I can attribute that to reduced key travel. However, Ive tried EK landing pads on Cherry switches. The reduced key travel was blaringly obvious. In fact, it effected the switch feel so much we took them off.
So yeah...after that long-winded bunch of rambling BS, I prefer the silenced switch 'feel' better. And I might place my HHKB up with the Realforce if it had silenced keys.
Yeah. I'm not a fan of how the regular Topre makes noise on the up-stroke.blasphemy and heathen
Ahhh type s...so thocking quiet!
You going to join the Type-S Buddy Club, bro?
Dunno...I'm torn on a nomral HHKB or the Typse S. I've heard the Type S has reduced key travel from some.
I can't make up my thocking mind.
Please stop talking about versions of Topre different from the Realforce 87U 45g and 55g lest I be forced to purchase more boards to feel included in the discussion. :(
Interesting. Ducky announced they are also a Topre agent and reseller.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ducky-Keyboard/117547488320354
Interesting. Ducky announced they are also a Topre agent and reseller.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ducky-Keyboard/117547488320354
oh damnit does this mean backlit topre and novelty keys are coming? the end is nigh :(
Ahhh type s...so thocking quiet!
You going to join the Type-S Buddy Club, bro?
Dunno...I'm torn on a nomral HHKB or the Typse S. I've heard the Type S has reduced key travel from some.
I can't make up my thocking mind.
As I said, I like the feel of the silenced better. It feels more refined. The cost differential between the two in the Realforce line is justifiable. I think it's around $30. HHKB is another story. Would it be worth the extra $130 for the silenced HHKB? Only you and your bank account can answer that. If it is important to you, go for it. H*ll, you're already spending a ton anyway. What's another $130?! :D
Yeah. I'm not a fan of how the regular Topre makes noise on the up-stroke.blasphemy and heathen
As I said, I like the feel of the silenced better. It feels more refined. The cost differential between the two in the Realforce line is justifiable. I think it's around $30. HHKB is another story. Would it be worth the extra $130 for the silenced HHKB? Only you and your bank account can answer that. If it is important to you, go for it. H*ll, you're already spending a ton anyway. What's another $130?! :D
Interesting. Ducky announced they are also a Topre agent and reseller.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ducky-Keyboard/117547488320354
oh damnit does this mean backlit topre and novelty keys are coming? the end is nigh :(
The HHKB type S has a 3mm travel vs. 4mm reg. model, the sound reduction is on the upstroke. I don't think most would feel a 1mm difference IMO or better feel, it just silencing key return.
I'm about to do a key swap between my black and white Realforces. I've never taken but a few keys from a Topre board before. Are the stabilizers tricky at all? I do not want to break either of my fabulously expensive toys!It's kind of like the Cherry stabs. Pull up the sides of the spacebar first, then pull up when the stabs are unhooked. All the other keys you can just pull up.
The HHKB type S has a 3mm travel vs. 4mm reg. model, the sound reduction is on the upstroke. I don't think most would feel a 1mm difference IMO or better feel, it just silencing key return.
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Test Results:
The key travel is exactly the same for silent and non-silent Topre switches. There is no difference in key travel between the two. Which means, whatever Topre did to silence the switches, it's not simply a factory mod like we would do. Also note that the silent switches have a purple housing. Non-silent key housings are black. Read here for more info on Topre key types and colors: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Topre_switch
Given the different key switch housing (differentiated by color), and my key travel testing, I'm going to go out on a limb here and conclude that the engineering is different between the two switch types. If they do use some sort of dampening material, they've also changed the switch housing to accommodate it, resulting in identical key travel as their standard switch.
From 4mm to 3.8mm Professional optimization of the conventional series of keystrokes to strike a balance pressure and depression. Achieve key touch typing nimble and more supple and comfortable, intact.
And Type-S is available only from PFU own direct shop. This keeps MSRP without discount.
And Type-S is available only from PFU own direct shop. This keeps MSRP without discount.
What? (http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=pfu_keyboards,hhkbpro2&pid=pdkb400ws)
I don't know how they got. At least they seem to keep MSRP.
400USD > (315USD=29800JPY)
And Type-S is available only from PFU own direct shop. This keeps MSRP without discount.
What? (http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=pfu_keyboards,hhkbpro2&pid=pdkb400ws)
I don't know how they got. At least they seem to keep MSRP.
400USD > (315USD=29800JPY)
Comparing the two side-by-side, I choose the Type-S as my favourite because of the reduced key-travel (before I'd even looked up the numbers). Typing feels quite different swapping between the two.
I'd be inclined to trust the manufacturer over an antique analog gauge hovering over some keys.
It's kind of like the Cherry stabs. Pull up the sides of the spacebar first, then pull up when the stabs are unhooked. All the other keys you can just pull up.
I don't know how they got. At least they seem to keep MSRP.
400USD > (315USD=29800JPY)
Pretty sure they have to keep at MSRP to keep doing business with PFU, PFU isn't one to give their boards out to just any distributor.
I didn't have time to finish tonight - here's the work in progress. Looks pretty cool with just the alpha keys swapped in.
(Attachment Link)
Comparing the two side-by-side, I choose the Type-S as my favourite because of the reduced key-travel (before I'd even looked up the numbers). Typing feels quite different swapping between the two.
I'd be inclined to trust the manufacturer over an antique analog gauge hovering over some keys.
Well, it's not a machinists digital instrument. But accurate enough for my purpose. I also took three measurements per keyboard to ensure consistency.
According to the Topre specs, it looks like the standard keystroke is 4mm and silenced is 3.8mm. For those of you not familiar with Metric, that's 0.00787 inches. The diameter of a human hair is .254mm, or 0.001 inches.
I would respectfully submit sir that the difference you feel is not related to key travel. But if you disagree, you could perform a test of your own. Pluck one of the hairs off your head and find a way to place in under a key. Get back to me with the results.
overpriced membrane garbage
go buckling spring if you want a real typing experience
Comparing the two side-by-side, I choose the Type-S as my favourite because of the reduced key-travel (before I'd even looked up the numbers). Typing feels quite different swapping between the two.
I'd be inclined to trust the manufacturer over an antique analog gauge hovering over some keys.
Well, it's not a machinists digital instrument. But accurate enough for my purpose. I also took three measurements per keyboard to ensure consistency.
According to the Topre specs, it looks like the standard keystroke is 4mm and silenced is 3.8mm. For those of you not familiar with Metric, that's 0.00787 inches. The diameter of a human hair is .254mm, or 0.001 inches.
I would respectfully submit sir that the difference you feel is not related to key travel. But if you disagree, you could perform a test of your own. Pluck one of the hairs off your head and find a way to place in under a key. Get back to me with the results.
I shave my head, so I'll need to source one from somewhere else. Unsure if hair thickness will be the same, I'll report back.
I agree that there must be other factors contributing to the "feel" of being shorter throw. I'm bottoming out 100% of the time on Type-S HHKB. On regular 45g Topre it's still >90%, but a much softer landing. These qualities are what leads me to believe there's a tiny bit more room at the bottom of the key stroke.
overpriced membrane garbage
go buckling spring if you want a real typing experience
Hi ripster
I shave my head, so I'll need to source one from somewhere else. Unsure if hair thickness will be the same, I'll report back.
A standard unit of measurement for key travel, no? "That Topre is at least 170pu"I shave my head, so I'll need to source one from somewhere else. Unsure if hair thickness will be the same, I'll report back.
puuuuuuuuuubes
overpriced membrane garbage
go buckling spring if you want a real typing experience
Hi ripster
More like a TP smurf
overpriced membrane garbage
go buckling spring if you want a real typing experience
Hi ripster
More like a TP smurf
Ripster had decent knowledge about keyboard and was better at troll.
Ripster had decent knowledge about keyboard and was better at troll.
overpriced membrane garbage
go buckling spring if you want a real typing experience
Hi ripster
More like a TP smurf
Ripster had decent knowledge about keyboard and was better at troll.
overpriced membrane garbagehave you had any success finding a model f yet?
TP knows he loves Topre. He's just too afraid to admit it.
TP knows he loves Topre. He's just too afraid to admit it.
Seriously, I think he's just closet.
This is for TP...Show Image(http://media2.policymic.com/2c9f2a27ae2f999c46a554b7847df09f.jpg)
Yeah. I'm not a fan of how the regular Topre makes noise on the up-stroke.blasphemy and heathen
Amen. Sometimes I feel like an aberrant for liking the sound of the standard Topre over the silenced.
Hay this is as good a thread as any to ask. What is the deal with this Topre numpad? All I can gather from the couple photos I've seen is that it seems to be 30g. And where is the cable? Is it just a non-functional mock-up or do they actually sell this? (Attachment Link)
iri has done a mod which involves ... medical tape? It's basically a strip of rubber he put between the keys and the plate.handlebar wrap for road bicycles.
Any more photos of that numpad kaporkle?
Does anyone know a way how you can purchase a hhkb pro 2 with jp layout on a site with a repuation?
I only saw it on this site http://www.geekstuff4u.com/happy-hacking-keyboard-pro-2-japanese.html#.UVwc4pNBJUU (http://www.geekstuff4u.com/happy-hacking-keyboard-pro-2-japanese.html#.UVwc4pNBJUU) and i never heard of that site so i dont know how reputable this site is.
Ohhhhh the white 55g's are back in stock
Ohhhhh the white 55g's are back in stock
I can see you making that Arnold face right now.
Ohhhhh the white 55g's are back in stock
I can see you making that Arnold face right now.
You lack discipline!!!
so.............. The 45g uniform is finally in stock
http://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless&pid=rf_se0900#
I've been using MX Brown for many years, should I take this giant expensive leap into the world of Topre?
also, 45g or 55g? which is more similar to the brown? also, silence version? what? Topre is already pretty quiet imo
Looks good. Can't wait to get my white 55g that I ordered yesterday. I'm also going to have a black and white one. yay!
Looks good. Can't wait to get my white 55g that I ordered yesterday. I'm also going to have a black and white one. yay!
Woot...55g bros....I've got a white 55g in the mail too.
I am easily peer pressured... I got a white/grey 55g in the mail as well for my first topre experience...
Broknucks bros
Just got my RF 55g in the mail. Not sure if its just me because it almost feels like I'm typing on my 45g.
Just got my RF 55g in the mail. Not sure if its just me because it almost feels like I'm typing on my 45g.
I have both in front of me and I can notice a big difference. Someone buy my 45g!!!
Just got my RF 55g in the mail. Not sure if its just me because it almost feels like I'm typing on my 45g.
I have both in front of me and I can notice a big difference. Someone buy my 45g!!!
color? uniform? price?
My 55g white RF just arrived via Fedex.....oh ja!
After coming from using a buckling spring board for a month straight....55g feels just right. 45g feels way too light now.
55g pops the switch back up at you instantly.
After coming from using a buckling spring board for a month straight....55g feels just right. 45g feels way too light now.
55g pops the switch back up at you instantly.
I'm at a loss to understand this. I use a RF variable...so 30g - 45g. I like it. In fact, I can type faster on it than I can on my HHKB. So why is the 55g the Holy Grail switch weight? Don't misunderstand...I'm open to learn. Only a fool stops learning and assumes he's 'arrived' at the throne of wisdom. I'm seriously wondering what the draw is to the 55g to which you guys seem to gravitate. I've got a buyer for my variable whenever I want to sell it. Convince me why I should sell it and get the 55g.
Here's my 55g uni all done up. I'm definitely selling a ton of my boards. Bye bye KMAC LE, Dolch, etc.Show Image(http://i50.tinypic.com/30rnokk.jpg)
I don't exactly want to spend roughly 450$ on keyboards atm :Pyes you do stop lying
Can one of you try to convince me to buy topre?
Ok, I wouldn't mind spending that much money to get some badass keyboards, but it probably would not be the smartest use of my money :PI don't exactly want to spend roughly 450$ on keyboards atm :Pyes you do stop lying
Boobs are pretty amazing...Can one of you try to convince me to buy topre?
Do you like boobs? Do you imagine typing on boobs? That is topre. Enough convincing?
After coming from using a buckling spring board for a month straight....55g feels just right. 45g feels way too light now.
55g pops the switch back up at you instantly.
I'm at a loss to understand this. I use a RF variable...so 30g - 45g. I like it. In fact, I can type faster on it than I can on my HHKB. So why is the 55g the Holy Grail switch weight? Don't misunderstand...I'm open to learn. Only a fool stops learning and assumes he's 'arrived' at the throne of wisdom. I'm seriously wondering what the draw is to the 55g to which you guys seem to gravitate. I've got a buyer for my variable whenever I want to sell it. Convince me why I should sell it and get the 55g.
Consider that possibly he might have tried all of the above? In fact, I am pretty sure he has. as have I. It really depends on your style of typing and if you prefer heavier switches or not. For me, 55g feels much more solid than my HHKB type-s. It just has a heaviness that springs the slider back up with a satisfying feel and sound. Typing on a 45g RF doesn't feel the same as a 55g. You really just need to try one, not much can really be explained when it comes to key feel. And since most people have personal preference based on a lot of factors, actually trying one can be the only answer.
I guess I'm just trying to figure out why so many guys have gravitated to the 55g.it's a fad !!
After coming from using a buckling spring board for a month straight....55g feels just right. 45g feels way too light now.
55g pops the switch back up at you instantly.
I'm at a loss to understand this. I use a RF variable...so 30g - 45g. I like it. In fact, I can type faster on it than I can on my HHKB. So why is the 55g the Holy Grail switch weight? Don't misunderstand...I'm open to learn. Only a fool stops learning and assumes he's 'arrived' at the throne of wisdom. I'm seriously wondering what the draw is to the 55g to which you guys seem to gravitate. I've got a buyer for my variable whenever I want to sell it. Convince me why I should sell it and get the 55g.
Consider that possibly he might have tried all of the above? In fact, I am pretty sure he has. as have I. It really depends on your style of typing and if you prefer heavier switches or not. For me, 55g feels much more solid than my HHKB type-s. It just has a heaviness that springs the slider back up with a satisfying feel and sound. Typing on a 45g RF doesn't feel the same as a 55g. You really just need to try one, not much can really be explained when it comes to key feel. And since most people have personal preference based on a lot of factors, actually trying one can be the only answer.
Akimbo and I are Topre Amigos. He's my Topre Bruthafromanuthamotha. I know he has the 45g, which is why I asked for his opinion. Some guys have nothing worthwhile to say, some guys do. I respect his opinion because he's a member of the latter.
Thanks for your input Caps. The reason for my question is because somebody offered to buy my RF silent. I would consider the 45g or 55g uniform to replace it.
My typing style has become considerably lighter since getting the RF variable, and I like the change. My concern is that the 55g would require me to revert back to a heavy handed typing style. The reason I'm considering the 55g is for the increased tactility. I just don't want to have to hammer the keys.
So can you still type on the 55g with fingers? Is there less bottoming out with the 55g over the 45g? I guess I'm just trying to figure out why so many guys have gravitated to the 55g.
Akimbo and I are Topre Amigos. He's my Topre Bruthafromanuthamotha. I know he has the 45g, which is why I asked for his opinion. Some guys have nothing worthwhile to say, some guys do. I respect his opinion because he's a member of the latter.
Thanks for your input Caps. The reason for my question is because somebody offered to buy my RF silent. I would consider the 45g or 55g uniform to replace it.
My typing style has become considerably lighter since getting the RF variable, and I like the change. My concern is that the 55g would require me to revert back to a heavy handed typing style. The reason I'm considering the 55g is for the increased tactility. I just don't want to have to hammer the keys.
So can you still type on the 55g with fingers? Is there less bottoming out with the 55g over the 45g? I guess I'm just trying to figure out why so many guys have gravitated to the 55g.
Yes, probably. They have less tactility than the 55g (at least on the RealForces), and on some keys can feel almost linear
We should have forum titles!
Dadedrdidid?
I'm really into my 45g right now, but haven't tried a 55g..someone feel free to let me borrow one :)
I'm curious, daerid/bro caps bro, which mx switches do you like the best?
Edit- Also, where can one grab a 104 uniform?
Browns, hands down. Blues are a bit behind browns. But even browns start to make my knuckles sore after a couple hours
I'm really into my 45g right now, but haven't tried a 55g..someone feel free to let me borrow one :)
I'm curious, daerid/bro caps bro, which mx switches do you like the best?
Edit- Also, where can one grab a 104 uniform?
I'm really into my 45g right now, but haven't tried a 55g..someone feel free to let me borrow one :)
I'm curious, daerid/bro caps bro, which mx switches do you like the best?
Edit- Also, where can one grab a 104 uniform?
http://www.elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rf104&pid=yk2100
45g uniform. It's the "high-profile" version, but it still has the same 4mm key travel. I think there's another thread around here on it. Not sure if anybody likes it. I didn't read any of the comments about it.
There is no cheap way to try topres...i'd like to try them out.
I've been considering a RealForce 87u but I'm torn between 45g uniform vs. a 55g uniform. I have a HHKB Pro 2 and love it for typing but I like my Cherry MX black TKL for gaming but extended typing gets too fatiguing. Would a 55g be a good choice for a all purpose use, since I already have a 45g HHKB. I would appreciate any input from the Topre experts in this thread.After all the input from this thread I ordered a 87u 55g unifrom from EK and can't wait to check it out. I will post later with my feelings after a few a days of use. Thanks to all for the useful info on this thread.
I've been considering a RealForce 87u but I'm torn between 45g uniform vs. a 55g uniform. I have a HHKB Pro 2 and love it for typing but I like my Cherry MX black TKL for gaming but extended typing gets too fatiguing. Would a 55g be a good choice for a all purpose use, since I already have a 45g HHKB. I would appreciate any input from the Topre experts in this thread.After all the input from this thread I ordered a 87u 55g unifrom from EK and can't wait to check it out. I will post later with my feelings after a few a days of use. Thanks to all for the useful info on this thread.
Since I have a HHKB I use for textual input I think a 55g RealForce will be good for all purpose use like web surfing gaming etc. (I hope)I've been considering a RealForce 87u but I'm torn between 45g uniform vs. a 55g uniform. I have a HHKB Pro 2 and love it for typing but I like my Cherry MX black TKL for gaming but extended typing gets too fatiguing. Would a 55g be a good choice for a all purpose use, since I already have a 45g HHKB. I would appreciate any input from the Topre experts in this thread.After all the input from this thread I ordered a 87u 55g unifrom from EK and can't wait to check it out. I will post later with my feelings after a few a days of use. Thanks to all for the useful info on this thread.
Yes, I'm on the verge of getting a Realforce...I would also like to know which feels better. If the 55g causes fatiguing, I probably will get the 45g.
Yes, I'm on the verge of getting a Realforce...I would also like to know which feels better. If the 55g causes fatiguing, I probably will get the 45g.
Yes, I'm on the verge of getting a Realforce...I would also like to know which feels better. If the 55g causes fatiguing, I probably will get the 45g.
I can see there possibly being a problem with fatigue if you require very light switches, or have some issue with your fingers/knuckles requiring a super light touch. In my personal view though, if you can type all day on browns/blues, then the 55g will be just fine. It mainly depends on how much tactility you prefer. The 55g has a much more crisp and snappy feeling to the key, whereas the 45g is much more subdued (almost linear on some keys).
There is no cheap way to try topres...i'd like to try them out.
About a month ago I bought a type s for 350
A few days ago I sold it for 340
I would call that a negligible difference :)
Also, people say these boards feel like a high quality rubber dome, but that just doesn't make sense to me. The reason I like my cherry browns and blues so much is because they are almost crispy, they almost feel magnetic if that makes sense? Rubber domes are the opposite, and I am hoping Topres aren't like rubber domes, but instead they have a super crisp, tactile, feel like browns and blues?
God, I f*cking love my Topre. Its super silky key travel, and overall superior build quality of the switches is letting me type more accurately. Definitely upping my WPMs in typeracer. I just recently typed my best tonight at 138WPM.Show Image(http://imageshack.us/a/img5/3479/typeracer138wpmcropped.jpg)
I don't know about you folks with the 55g Topres. I find the 45g to be just perfect. :p
Coming from a 45g to a 55g, the 55g does feel sturdier with better feedback on each key press. I bought my 45g a couple years ago afraid that the 55g might be too heavy. I should've gotten the 55g in the first place because that's where Topre's should be at. Though, I probably would've bought the 45g just to know how it is. If want to try out topre, go for the 55g. My favorite switch by far right now. Haven't touched an MX switch for a week now and that's a long time for me. lol
Coming from a 45g to a 55g, the 55g does feel sturdier with better feedback on each key press. I bought my 45g a couple years ago afraid that the 55g might be too heavy. I should've gotten the 55g in the first place because that's where Topre's should be at. Though, I probably would've bought the 45g just to know how it is. If want to try out topre, go for the 55g. My favorite switch by far right now. Haven't touched an MX switch for a week now and that's a long time for me. lol
Just a few questions (anybody can answer this for me)...
1. Are you a heavy handed typist?
2. What is the difference in feeling between a 45g and 55g? Is there a lot of difference?
3. Did you experience any fatigue with the 55g?
4. Is it as stiff as the Cherry Blacks?
Thanks.
Coming from a 45g to a 55g, the 55g does feel sturdier with better feedback on each key press. I bought my 45g a couple years ago afraid that the 55g might be too heavy. I should've gotten the 55g in the first place because that's where Topre's should be at. Though, I probably would've bought the 45g just to know how it is. If want to try out topre, go for the 55g. My favorite switch by far right now. Haven't touched an MX switch for a week now and that's a long time for me. lol
Just a few questions (anybody can answer this for me)...
1. Are you a heavy handed typist?
2. What is the difference in feeling between a 45g and 55g? Is there a lot of difference?
3. Did you experience any fatigue with the 55g?
4. Is it as stiff as the Cherry Blacks?
Thanks.
1. Yes, but felt more fatigue with cherry MX blacks
2. 55g is snappier. The higher pressure pops back fast and strong after depression, I think this might be what reduces fatigue for me
3. None
4. No, I don't think it is. Even in actual pressure weight, it is not (spring weight vs rubber resistance value)
Coming from a 45g to a 55g, the 55g does feel sturdier with better feedback on each key press. I bought my 45g a couple years ago afraid that the 55g might be too heavy. I should've gotten the 55g in the first place because that's where Topre's should be at. Though, I probably would've bought the 45g just to know how it is. If want to try out topre, go for the 55g. My favorite switch by far right now. Haven't touched an MX switch for a week now and that's a long time for me. lol
Just a few questions (anybody can answer this for me)...
1. Are you a heavy handed typist?
2. What is the difference in feeling between a 45g and 55g? Is there a lot of difference?
3. Did you experience any fatigue with the 55g?
4. Is it as stiff as the Cherry Blacks?
Thanks.
1. Yes, but felt more fatigue with cherry MX blacks
2. 55g is snappier. The higher pressure pops back fast and strong after depression, I think this might be what reduces fatigue for me
3. None
4. No, I don't think it is. Even in actual pressure weight, it is not (spring weight vs rubber resistance value)
1. I'm not a heavy handed typist by any means. I do bottom out frequently. Will it be hard for me to adjust coming from Browns and Blues?
2. How is the initial depression of the key on the 55g? Is there a lot more resistance than let's say the Cherry Browns or Blues?
Anyone here rock uniform 30g?
I tried one and for some reason loved it.
These videos convince me more than ever to get a 55g...as you can see, the 45g does seem a bit mushy compared to the 55g, which doesn't seem that fatiguing here.
55g
Variable/45g?
My biggest interest, is that the space bar might be PBT, like the other newer leopold space bars. If they would just come out with a white version....
My biggest interest, is that the space bar might be PBT, like the other newer leopold space bars. If they would just come out with a white version....
$175 spacebar :D
http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667 (http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667)
this could be my first future topre board.
opinions from you topre users?
http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667 (http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667)
this could be my first future topre board.
opinions from you topre users?
http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667 (http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667)
this could be my first future topre board.
opinions from you topre users?
Meh, I think at that point I would rather just use an HHKB (layout wise). Any idea on what the price will be?
http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667 (http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365736667)
this could be my first future topre board.
opinions from you topre users?
Can't really comment on a product I haven't used, and nobody here has, yet :P
Also, for the price ($160USD), it's an amazing deal. Nice layout, too
Meh, 45g.
Meh, 45g.
My sentiments exactly. But still might pick one up.
Meh, 45g.
My sentiments exactly. But still might pick one up.
i am assuming 55g is popular?
Well, I couldn't stand the curiosity any longer. I just ordered a 55g TKL. :confused:
<evil laugh />
One by one....
Is it just me or do Topres sound and feel similar to Browns?
Especially the modifier keys, they sound almost the same to me.
It will probably replace my browns once I get it, but will it replace my browns totally? Perhaps not.
Is it just me or do Topres sound and feel similar to Browns?
Especially the modifier keys, they sound almost the same to me.
It will probably replace my browns once I get it, but will it replace my browns totally? Perhaps not.
Well, I couldn't stand the curiosity any longer. I just ordered a 55g TKL. :confused:I'm also awaiting a 55g uniform from EK, seems that 55g been a hot topic lately. When mine comes in I will use it for a few days to a week and post my feelings on the board, and if was the right one for me.
and clip nails often.
and clip nails often.
TRUTH
and clip nails often.
TRUTH
No joke. I trim my nails twice a week. As soon as they begin to touch while typing, they have to get cut. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard.
Bumping this for tp4tissue.
I don't hate topre.. I hate YOU....
I don't hate topre.. I hate YOU....
Welcome to the realm of I could care less.
I can tell you care.. in fact you care "LOTS" you just can't stop yourself from talking to me..
Is this love? do you love me that.. much?
I don't hate topre.. I hate YOU....
Welcome to the realm of I could care less.
I can tell you care.. in fact you care "LOTS" you just can't stop yourself from talking to me..
Is this love? do you love me that.. much?
I can tell you care.. in fact you care "LOTS" you just can't stop yourself from talking to me..
Is this love? do you love me that.. much?
Watching you rage is entertaining. But I could care less of your opinion of me. But please, continue entertaining me.
I don't hate topre.. I hate YOU....
Welcome to the realm of I could care less.
I can tell you care.. in fact you care "LOTS" you just can't stop yourself from talking to me..
Is this love? do you love me that.. much?
Aren't the lyrics "Is this love that I'm feeling?"
You can't turn this around bro-cap.. you've already lost the argument..
denying the loss further wouldn't make it any less demeaning..
There's no CROWD to be won here.. just you and me..
Just lie down and die. "bro.."
You can't turn this around bro-cap.. you've already lost the argument..
denying the loss further wouldn't make it any less demeaning..
There's no CROWD to be won here.. just you and me..
Just lie down and die. "bro.."
Sorry, what did you win, exactly? Is that a self-appointed trophy you are donning for an argument that doesn't exist? Was your argument that I am a circle jerker for topre? I fail to see where that came from.
What the truth here is, is that you are an angry child with mental issues. You should really speak to a psychiatrist about that. You have a social disorder of the highest magnitude.
Nope no trophy..
and if i were someone with mental issue.. what does that make you.. the bully that proded the mental kid till he went insane, and killed himself..
How does that make you a better person..? LOL, now you're just revealing yourself to be a complete as$h0le
Luckily for you. :D I am not that easily distressed.
Nope no trophy..
and if i were someone with mental issue.. what does that make you.. the bully that proded the mental kid till he went insane, and killed himself..
How does that make you a better person..? LOL, now you're just revealing yourself to be a complete as$h0le
Luckily for you. :D I am not that easily distressed.
If you are capable of entering an internet forum and raging at people, then you aren't that mental. You just have severe social disorders. Maybe you were abused physically, mentally, I don't know.
Only you can answer that. But it's pretty obvious you DO get distressed, and you ARE angry.
ok. so am I or am i not mental.. get your story straight.
This here reminds me of when Ripster used to piss people off. :)
This here reminds me of when Ripster used to piss people off. :)
I don't hate topre.. I hate YOU....
Welcome to the realm of I could care less.
I can tell you care.. in fact you care "LOTS" you just can't stop yourself from talking to me..
Is this love? do you love me that.. much?
Aren't the lyrics "Is this love that I'm feeling?"
what up caustin, i'm surprised you didn't try to gang up on me with bro cap. but be warned, it's futile
I don't hate topre.. I hate YOU....
Welcome to the realm of I could care less.
I can tell you care.. in fact you care "LOTS" you just can't stop yourself from talking to me..
Is this love? do you love me that.. much?
Aren't the lyrics "Is this love that I'm feeling?"
what up caustin, i'm surprised you didn't try to gang up on me with bro cap. but be warned, it's futile
That would imply that I thought you were close enough to a real point to necessitate a response other than turning your words into Whitesnake lyrics.
kthx
Also, you're boring.
Glad you found that arguing with me can only result in a loss.. but you've lost this time because you didn't even try.. and now you go make a losers post about it.
and yet...
Glad you found that arguing with me can only result in a loss.. but you've lost this time because you didn't even try.. and now you go make a losers post about it.
If someone stops arguing with you, it's not a victory for you, it's them realizing that arguing with the mentally challenged is a shallow victory.
and yet...
Glad you found that arguing with me can only result in a loss.. but you've lost this time because you didn't even try.. and now you go make a losers post about it.
If someone stops arguing with you, it's not a victory for you, it's them realizing that arguing with the mentally challenged is a shallow victory.
I don't hate topre.. I hate YOU....
Welcome to the realm of I could care less.
I can tell you care.. in fact you care "LOTS" you just can't stop yourself from talking to me..
Is this love? do you love me that.. much?
Aren't the lyrics "Is this love that I'm feeling?"
what up caustin, i'm surprised you didn't try to gang up on me with bro cap. but be warned, it's futile
That would imply that I thought you were close enough to a real point to necessitate a response other than turning your words into Whitesnake lyrics.
kthx
Also, you're boring.
Glad you found that arguing with me can only result in a loss.. but you've lost this time because you didn't even try.. and now you go make a losers post about it.
Glad you found that arguing with me can only result in a loss.. but you've lost this time because you didn't even try.. and now you go make a losers post about it.
If someone stops arguing with you, it's not a victory for you, it's them realizing that arguing with the mentally challenged is a shallow victory.
not on the internet.. if you stop talking you lose.
also brb, i gotta watch the Big Bang Theory.
I don't hate topre.. I hate YOU....
Welcome to the realm of I could care less.
I can tell you care.. in fact you care "LOTS" you just can't stop yourself from talking to me..
Is this love? do you love me that.. much?
Aren't the lyrics "Is this love that I'm feeling?"
what up caustin, i'm surprised you didn't try to gang up on me with bro cap. but be warned, it's futile
That would imply that I thought you were close enough to a real point to necessitate a response other than turning your words into Whitesnake lyrics.
kthx
Also, you're boring.
Glad you found that arguing with me can only result in a loss.. but you've lost this time because you didn't even try.. and now you go make a losers post about it.
Get a pet or something, this is boring.
Glad you found that arguing with me can only result in a loss.. but you've lost this time because you didn't even try.. and now you go make a losers post about it.
If someone stops arguing with you, it's not a victory for you, it's them realizing that arguing with the mentally challenged is a shallow victory.
not on the internet.. if you stop talking you lose.
also brb, i gotta watch the Big Bang Theory.
So by your own words, you just lost, right? I mean, you stopped talking.
Why does tp4tissue post on this forum?
He doesn't like anybody here.
He hates Clacks.
He doesn't even like keyboards.
What is the point?
I cuddle at night with my three Topre boards. They quietly sing me to sleep. If I wake during the night, I simply fumble in the dark until I reach one and press a few keys. The 'thock' reassures me that the planets are in alignment and all is good. I fall back asleep with a smile on my face.
I cuddle at night with my three Topre boards. They quietly sing me to sleep. If I wake during the night, I simply fumble in the dark until I reach one and press a few keys. The 'thock' reassures me that the planets are in alignment and all is good. I fall back asleep with a smile on my face.
well, some people find love, you've found a keyboard.. that's probably close enough..
I cuddle at night with my three Topre boards. They quietly sing me to sleep. If I wake during the night, I simply fumble in the dark until I reach one and press a few keys. The 'thock' reassures me that the planets are in alignment and all is good. I fall back asleep with a smile on my face.
well, some people find love, you've found a keyboard.. that's probably close enough..
Since I'm on my soon-to-be-over second marriage, that's probably a good assessment.
I saw an IC for hhkb metal case. I wonder if there is a similar project for rf 87 models (beside the digilog one or the more-like-wrist-rest one). Anyone knows ?I'd be down for an 87u case for sure.
I cuddle at night with my three Topre boards. They quietly sing me to sleep. If I wake during the night, I simply fumble in the dark until I reach one and press a few keys. The 'thock' reassures me that the planets are in alignment and all is good. I fall back asleep with a smile on my face.
well, some people find love, you've found a keyboard.. that's probably close enough..
Since I'm on my soon-to-be-over second marriage, that's probably a good assessment.
I heard divorce can only be good from Louis CK.. How many kids you got.
I cuddle at night with my three Topre boards. They quietly sing me to sleep. If I wake during the night, I simply fumble in the dark until I reach one and press a few keys. The 'thock' reassures me that the planets are in alignment and all is good. I fall back asleep with a smile on my face.
well, some people find love, you've found a keyboard.. that's probably close enough..
Since I'm on my soon-to-be-over second marriage, that's probably a good assessment.
I heard divorce can only be good from Louis CK.. How many kids you got.
Four, but the youngest is 19. Only two live at home.
There were metal Realforce TKL cases on ebay a while ago. They were 500 USD though. I'll see if I can't find a link or pic.I saw an IC for hhkb metal case. I wonder if there is a similar project for rf 87 models (beside the digilog one or the more-like-wrist-rest one). Anyone knows ?I'd be down for an 87u case for sure.
Thanks again Akimbo for the board, I think 45g is just right for me. I was worried that the lime green caps would be too bright since they look super bright in most pics but when the board is just sitting in the office, it looks great.Show Image(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/djdigi44/topre_zps104c7f63.jpg)
Thanks again Akimbo for the board, I think 45g is just right for me. I was worried that the lime green caps would be too bright since they look super bright in most pics but when the board is just sitting in the office, it looks great.if you ever want to try blank blue keys instead, let me know. i've been wanting to trade for a lime green set for a while :)Show Image(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/djdigi44/topre_zps104c7f63.jpg)
If the RF cases were $500 does anyone know how much does a HHKB HG goes for?When the HHKB Pro HG was available in 2006 it was around $2700 and the HHKB Pro HG Japan with the lacquer & gold dust keys was around $5400. Guinness world records lists it as most expensive keyboard. Probably unobtainable for any price today I'd guess, not that many were made the PFU website I saw said 100. A link I have is ( http://pinchocodia.tistory.com/156 ).
Thanks again Akimbo for the board, I think 45g is just right for me. I was worried that the lime green caps would be too bright since they look super bright in most pics but when the board is just sitting in the office, it looks great.Show Image(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/djdigi44/topre_zps104c7f63.jpg)
TJ - Get a 55g. I promise you, that is the epitome of Topre switches.
TJ - Get a 55g. I promise you, that is the epitome of Topre switches.
is a 55g topre heavier than a cherry mx blue switch?
MX blue is 50g, so theoretically Topre is slightly heavier.
Er, isn't that what was asked?
So far I am liking my HHKB 2 Pro so far. Topre is sweet, and excellent to type on. The layout is taking some getting used to though.
So far I am liking my HHKB 2 Pro so far. Topre is sweet, and excellent to type on. The layout is taking some getting used to though.
I totally agree. Though now that I'm used to the hhkb layout I'm broken for all other keyboards forever.
After using one for about 3 weeks I can stay that the Realforce 45g is the most enjoyable keyboard for typing I have used.
After using one for about 3 weeks I can stay that the Realforce 45g is the most enjoyable keyboard for typing I have used.
Just be prepared, it will spoil every other switch type for you. I have a cherry mx brown at work and every morning I expect the snap/pop of the key, but instead I am left unfulfilled.
So far I am liking my HHKB 2 Pro so far. Topre is sweet, and excellent to type on. The layout is taking some getting used to though.
I totally agree. Though now that I'm used to the hhkb layout I'm broken for all other keyboards forever.
How long did it take you to get used to the layout?
I'm struggling a bit, as the key combination to move cursor to beginning of line on Mac is Command-Left arrow, which is Command-Fn-; on the HHKB - 3 keypresses (instead of 2, which is bad enough compared to just Home on the PC).
So far I am liking my HHKB 2 Pro so far. Topre is sweet, and excellent to type on. The layout is taking some getting used to though.
I totally agree. Though now that I'm used to the hhkb layout I'm broken for all other keyboards forever.
How long did it take you to get used to the layout?
I'm struggling a bit, as the key combination to move cursor to beginning of line on Mac is Command-Left arrow, which is Command-Fn-; on the HHKB - 3 keypresses (instead of 2, which is bad enough compared to just Home on the PC).
On Mac which is in fact Unix OS you have option to use either Mac shortcuts to move around (which are inherited from Classic Mac systems) or Unix things. That's where HHKB comes really handy. So to move to the front of the line you press Control + A, to move to the end of the line you press Control + E. That's not only the 2 key combo instead of 3, but can be easily done one with one hand!
Full list of Control shortcuts is here on wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_key
The Realforce 87u 55g is not bad at all for gaming action.After using one for about 3 weeks I can stay that the Realforce 45g is the most enjoyable keyboard for typing I have used.
Just be prepared, it will spoil every other switch type for you. I have a cherry mx brown at work and every morning I expect the snap/pop of the key, but instead I am left unfulfilled.
Haha yes it has. I still rather game on an MX brown because of the actuation point and tactile bump at the middle of the keypress that allows for hovering the acutation point better.
So far I am liking my HHKB 2 Pro so far. Topre is sweet, and excellent to type on. The layout is taking some getting used to though.
I totally agree. Though now that I'm used to the hhkb layout I'm broken for all other keyboards forever.
How long did it take you to get used to the layout?
I'm struggling a bit, as the key combination to move cursor to beginning of line on Mac is Command-Left arrow, which is Command-Fn-; on the HHKB - 3 keypresses (instead of 2, which is bad enough compared to just Home on the PC).
It took me about two weeks only using the hhkb. I had to shuttle it between home and work otherwise I'd get back into the habit of using a standard layout.
I totally agree about the 3-key combos. I've mapped ctrl+a to beginning of line (and ctrl+u for eol) system wide using keyboard maestro though.
The Realforce 87u 55g is not bad at all for gaming action.
It took me about two weeks only using the hhkb. I had to shuttle it between home and work otherwise I'd get back into the habit of using a standard layout.
I totally agree about the 3-key combos. I've mapped ctrl+a to beginning of line (and ctrl+u for eol) system wide using keyboard maestro though.
In my case different people can use my work computer, and I use a few different computers at work and home, so I cannot go exclusively HHKB, unfortunately.
The Realforce 87u 55g is not bad at all for gaming action.
qft. i use the 55g for everything from general typing to dota2 and l4d2, among other games.
It took me about two weeks only using the hhkb. I had to shuttle it between home and work otherwise I'd get back into the habit of using a standard layout.
I totally agree about the 3-key combos. I've mapped ctrl+a to beginning of line (and ctrl+u for eol) system wide using keyboard maestro though.
In my case different people can use my work computer, and I use a few different computers at work and home, so I cannot go exclusively HHKB, unfortunately.
Control key combos work on any OS X. And I don't know about you but I have always remapped my caps lock to Control. That's something I got really used to in Amiga days.
neither are as good as an mx red for double tapping
It took me about two weeks only using the hhkb. I had to shuttle it between home and work otherwise I'd get back into the habit of using a standard layout.
I totally agree about the 3-key combos. I've mapped ctrl+a to beginning of line (and ctrl+u for eol) system wide using keyboard maestro though.
In my case different people can use my work computer, and I use a few different computers at work and home, so I cannot go exclusively HHKB, unfortunately.
Control key combos work on any OS X. And I don't know about you but I have always remapped my caps lock to Control. That's something I got really used to in Amiga days.
Oh wow, how did I not realize this :eek:. Since ctrl+u/k don't clear the lines I assumed ctrl+a/e didn't navigate to bol/eol.
The moment approaches in a few days for when i get to try topre.
I might fall in love...i'm kinda scared to...
or i could hate it and see it as some do...just rubber dome
i'm excited either way :p
There was one in Classifieds recently, wasn't there?
I own 3. Just bought another one. Beat that, geeks.
Brought a HKKB to figure it out what the whole fuss was about topre keyboards. Wrote up a report for university and to tell you the truth I don't think I can go back to MX ever again. Ever and never again. This is just too good even the build quality of the keyboard itself is just amazing. I don't know might be exaggerating but it seriously feels like heaven on my fingers. The "thock" is a unique sound that makes you want to typre more.
Brought a HKKB to figure it out what the whole fuss was about topre keyboards. Wrote up a report for university and to tell you the truth I don't think I can go back to MX ever again. Ever and never again. This is just too good even the build quality of the keyboard itself is just amazing. I don't know might be exaggerating but it seriously feels like heaven on my fingers. The "thock" is a unique sound that makes you want to typre more.
Another satisfied Topre user who has been turned from MX.
How are you finding the layout? Getting used to it yet?
Brought a HKKB to figure it out what the whole fuss was about topre keyboards. Wrote up a report for university and to tell you the truth I don't think I can go back to MX ever again. Ever and never again. This is just too good even the build quality of the keyboard itself is just amazing. I don't know might be exaggerating but it seriously feels like heaven on my fingers. The "thock" is a unique sound that makes you want to typre more.
Another satisfied Topre user who has been turned from MX.
How are you finding the layout? Getting used to it yet?
Layout is pretty simple for me I don't usually use all the functions apart from Ctl actions. Will take me a fair bit to get the full extend of the keyboard though. That delete key is annoying me I keep pressing `. Overall she's a beauty
I'm getting too used to the HHKB backspace. Pressed what I thought was on my QFR at work this morning and was rewarded with a row of \\\\\\\\\\\
I'm getting too used to the HHKB backspace. Pressed what I thought was on my QFR at work this morning and was rewarded with a row of \\\\\\\\\\\
This happens to me too when switching between boards from the HHKB. Besides the relatively light key press, lack of a tactile "bump" and high price I like Topre. The fluid motion and key cap texture are awesome.
I own 3. Just bought another one. Beat that, geeks.
i just got my topre in today. (realforce 87 tenkeyless 45 g uniform) i've been using it for about 2 hours now and i am absolutely loving it. it was definitely worth the price as long as it doesnt self destruct within the next few months.
I tried Topre finally and i'm going to post my further thoughts in the cap tester thread, but Topre isn't for me.
i don't see what's so special...it's quite uncomfortable to use...so mushy..
anyways, now i know, topre isn't for dubs
the rest of you, enjoy!
i just got my topre in today. (realforce 87 tenkeyless 45 g uniform) i've been using it for about 2 hours now and i am absolutely loving it. it was definitely worth the price as long as it doesnt self destruct within the next few months.
The more I use Topre the less I want to use MX, although I try to switch from time to time so that I don't wear out my Topre as fast.
i just got my topre in today. (realforce 87 tenkeyless 45 g uniform) i've been using it for about 2 hours now and i am absolutely loving it. it was definitely worth the price as long as it doesnt self destruct within the next few months.
The more I use Topre the less I want to use MX, although I try to switch from time to time so that I don't wear out my Topre as fast.
Already getting close to those 50 million keypresses?
i just got my topre in today. (realforce 87 tenkeyless 45 g uniform) i've been using it for about 2 hours now and i am absolutely loving it. it was definitely worth the price as long as it doesnt self destruct within the next few months.
The more I use Topre the less I want to use MX, although I try to switch from time to time so that I don't wear out my Topre as fast.
Already getting close to those 50 million keypresses?
Yeah I agree, you don't really need to worry about wearing that keyboard out. It will last you a very very long time.
Any other fans of the FC660C around?
Its the only topre board I have at the moment, and I'm absolutely loving it.
That being said, after reading this thread, I think my next pickup will be a 55g Realforce.
Is the HHKB Pro 2, all 45g like the Leopold FC660?
Also, does not having a steel plate in the HHKB Pro 2 make that much of a difference?
Is the HHKB Pro 2, all 45g like the Leopold FC660?
Also, does not having a steel plate in the HHKB Pro 2 make that much of a difference?
its all 45g except for the spacebar and esc. someone correct me if wrong here
i haven't typed on a plated topre board but from what i understand, HHKB has more of a thock sound due to the natural reverberation of the case and the RF/660 plate absorbs a lot of the mechanical noise so it sounds like a click.
Is the HHKB Pro 2, all 45g like the Leopold FC660?
Also, does not having a steel plate in the HHKB Pro 2 make that much of a difference?
its all 45g except for the spacebar and esc. someone correct me if wrong here
i haven't typed on a plated topre board but from what i understand, HHKB has more of a thock sound due to the natural reverberation of the case and the RF/660 plate absorbs a lot of the mechanical noise so it sounds like a click.
Also, I heard that the keycaps on the HHKB Pro 2 are somewhat bigger than the Realforce and FC660C...is this true?
I heard that the keycaps on the HHKB Pro 2 are somewhat bigger than the Realforce and FC660C...is this true?
They are the same size and profile. I think because of the HHKB's small size its an optical illusion, that make the keys seem larger than the Realforce.Is the HHKB Pro 2, all 45g like the Leopold FC660?
Also, does not having a steel plate in the HHKB Pro 2 make that much of a difference?
its all 45g except for the spacebar and esc. someone correct me if wrong here
i haven't typed on a plated topre board but from what i understand, HHKB has more of a thock sound due to the natural reverberation of the case and the RF/660 plate absorbs a lot of the mechanical noise so it sounds like a click.
Also, I heard that the keycaps on the HHKB Pro 2 are somewhat bigger than the Realforce and FC660C...is this true?
Has anyone looked into the eBay aluminium cases for the Topre? I mean they look sweet especially the USB mode and the aluminium weight factor. Been eyeing them out for a while now but I can't decide if I should buy it either.
those cases are for chumps.
How has the community not made a HHKB or RF87 custom case yet? Cherry gets all the love :/
Will hopefully be getting my hands on a HHKB in a month or two. I've wanted one for so long. It will be so hard to decide on which color, though.
I can get the 104UB-DK for S$399 (US$~316.69), is this an okay deal?
I'll be using it for typing/MMOs. Should I be looking at a 55g instead for the tactility? I'm afraid it might be a bit heavy since after using browns at home, the blues at work feel a tiny bit heavy.
Also, does not having a steel plate in the HHKB Pro 2 make that much of a difference?
I love Topre.
That is all.
The HHKB just sounds better than other topre keyboards. I love it but i do sometimes miss the dedicated arrow keys. Still, it's my favorite topre keyboard and my favorite keyboard in general.
I'm lusting for a HHKB Pro 2....maybe a nice Christmas present to myself?
I love the 55g RF I just got and now looking to try a 45g.
Is there anyway to actually prefers the 45g better for gaming and the 55g for typing?
I recently went back to rubber dome after spending some months using brown/blue switches exclusively, and the experience is worse than I expected.
I was pretty much ready to get a Topre and was just waiting for local distro to stock up, and I'm now worried I may have a similar experience (with Topre).
So Topre lovers, convince me to just go ahead and buy one :/
Topre is more similar to rubber domes than Cherry switches, but I definitely don't think that's a bad thing. All I can say is to just give it a try.
Topre is more similar to rubber domes than Cherry switches, but I definitely don't think that's a bad thing. All I can say is to just give it a try.
Now to wait for 55gs to be in stock..
The HHKBs are also looking quite appealing, how does the layout work? Specifically, can I make that 'return' button just work as 'enter'?
Went down to the store to feel a HHKB, while I'm loving the smoothness, it feels a tad light.. Need to get my hands on a 55g!
Good man. You won't be disappointed with 55g. I also feel that the 45g on the HHKB is underwhelming.
Went down to the store to feel a HHKB, while I'm loving the smoothness, it feels a tad light.. Need to get my hands on a 55g!
Good man. You won't be disappointed with 55g. I also feel that the 45g on the HHKB is underwhelming.
They said you were hardcoreWent down to the store to feel a HHKB, while I'm loving the smoothness, it feels a tad light.. Need to get my hands on a 55g!
Good man. You won't be disappointed with 55g. I also feel that the 45g on the HHKB is underwhelming.
Agreed, which is why I gutted a 55g RF to make my HHKB 55g. :)
I'm patiently waiting for my first Topre board to come in the mail. I wonder how I'm gonna like it.
I'm patiently waiting for my first Topre board to come in the mail. I wonder how I'm gonna like it.
Give it a week or two before making judgement. Everyone is underwhelmed by topre for the first few days. I know I was. Then I tried to go back to cherry mx....and it paled in comparison to topre.
Just got a Topre board a few days ago, felt a bit weird at first, but by the end of the day I was in love. I don't think I'll be able to use anything else for a while, not even my edox.
If HHKB wasn't ordered say for example from elitekeyboards.com there is no way you could return it to the seller.This is in part why I've ordered mine from EK, since they're the official overseas distributor. I wanted at least some coverage. I was strongly tempted to go through amazon, however, since there were some interesting buying options. Not just pricewise, but the always tempting option to go through amazon fulfillment and get the ever tempting prime shipping which calls out so strongly to the lazy and impatient such as myself.
The funny irony with elitekeyboards.com isn't listed as PFU's HHKB seller outside Japan. The same thing could be said likewise for one other manufacturer on the website PFU mentioned for North American distributors which is no longer selling HHKB whilst the other distributor stocks only the Lite2 variant and none of the Pro/Pro2 versions.If HHKB wasn't ordered say for example from elitekeyboards.com there is no way you could return it to the seller.This is in part why I've ordered mine from EK, since they're the official overseas distributor. I wanted at least some coverage. I was strongly tempted to go through amazon, however, since there were some interesting buying options. Not just pricewise, but the always tempting option to go through amazon fulfillment and get the ever tempting prime shipping which calls out so strongly to the lazy and impatient such as myself.
I'm currently typing on my first topre board, the Leopold FC660C, which I got on Friday.
I think I like it. It's definitely hard to judge, especially only in these first couple of days. I find it odd, though, that everyone seems to think that 45g topre switches are too light...coming from MX Blues, the 45g topres feel heavier. I know Blues technically require more actuation force, but topres seem to require more force during the entire keystroke. Anyway, my fingers feel a little slower and more tired after typing on the Leo than on the MX Blues before. However, I also seem to make fewer errors since the keys are harder to actuate.
I would not recommend someone who is not familiar with topre to buy HHKB just because of the hype. HHKB is a very minimalist keyboard that will require alot of key combos that as many of geekhackers will agree, will take sometime to get used to. While it is good for programmers who perhaps like it for its simplicity and is proficient at typing out key combos at ease as their job require typing out those arcane words at fairly fast rate.
Otherwise, i recommend, get either RealForce 104U or 87U.
PS; i dont own a topre or a HHKB, but, i had been creeping the Topre walkways crawling with HHKB fnatic geekhackers. :D And , this is wad i gather: forgive and correct me if i wrong.
I need advice from fellow geekhackers,
I am currently using well known red-switch 6GV2 from steelseries, and i am thinking i want to try those blue clicky tactile switches that is quite famous. I am thinking Filco 104 keys with camoflage textured board for gamers. However, as i mentioned earlier, as i delve deeper into this geekhack forums infested with HHKB worshippers, i myself had been infected with the carnal need for a Topre switch.
But, i am not yet rich like you guys, ok? So i am thinking Topre Type Heaven. Why dont i see anyone talk about Type Heaven? Even though it is made in China, i believe the Topre Keys switch quality will still be the same. And, does Abs keycaps means the keycaps on your 28 dollar logitech keyboard right? then i can like with that. Topre cost 250 at X-treme solutions shop in Singapore.
So, should i get Filco blues and a Type Heaven. at 220 and 250 respectively. Or Get a REalforce 104U at knock-you-down price of 450 sing dollars.\
Or should i restrain myself from getting type heaven and get my filco first, then save up and buy a realforce later?
And, i had been reading in this thread topre feels like rubber dome? is that true? I mean what is this whole point of topre switch when it feels like rubberdome?
I am slightly new to geekhack, so if i offend folks here in anyway , do forgive me :D
I would not recommend someone who is not familiar with topre to buy HHKB just because of the hype. HHKB is a very minimalist keyboard that will require alot of key combos that as many of geekhackers will agree, will take sometime to get used to. While it is good for programmers who perhaps like it for its simplicity and is proficient at typing out key combos at ease as their job require typing out those arcane words at fairly fast rate.
Otherwise, i recommend, get either RealForce 104U or 87U.
PS; i dont own a topre or a HHKB, but, i had been creeping the Topre walkways crawling with HHKB fnatic geekhackers. :D And , this is wad i gather: forgive and correct me if i wrong.
I need advice from fellow geekhackers,
I am currently using well known red-switch 6GV2 from steelseries, and i am thinking i want to try those blue clicky tactile switches that is quite famous. I am thinking Filco 104 keys with camoflage textured board for gamers. However, as i mentioned earlier, as i delve deeper into this geekhack forums infested with HHKB worshippers, i myself had been infected with the carnal need for a Topre switch.
But, i am not yet rich like you guys, ok? So i am thinking Topre Type Heaven. Why dont i see anyone talk about Type Heaven? Even though it is made in China, i believe the Topre Keys switch quality will still be the same. And, does Abs keycaps means the keycaps on your 28 dollar logitech keyboard right? then i can like with that. Topre cost 250 at X-treme solutions shop in Singapore.
So, should i get Filco blues and a Type Heaven. at 220 and 250 respectively. Or Get a REalforce 104U at knock-you-down price of 450 sing dollars.\
Or should i restrain myself from getting type heaven and get my filco first, then save up and buy a realforce later?
And, i had been reading in this thread topre feels like rubber dome? is that true? I mean what is this whole point of topre switch when it feels like rubberdome?
I am slightly new to geekhack, so if i offend folks here in anyway , do forgive me :D
Hey, Im still learning myself. But what I have read so far is Type Heaven is a bit cheaper made so it doesnt give Topre justice. So if I were you Id wait like I am going to do and get a Realforce. Also Filco is great for cherry mx so that is good as well. Either you will be happy with. I have a rosewill which is like a cheap filco case w crappy abs keys. ;p Id like to get realforce though soon.
While it is good for programmers who perhaps like it for its simplicity and is proficient at typing out key combos at ease as their job require typing out those arcane words at fairly fast rate.I am actually not a programmer/web designer/gamer in any professional capacity. I want to do more serious writing (like words), which is why I find a minimal keyboard so appealing.
Do you guys think i'm going to be underwhelmed by topre if i'm coming from a laptop chiclet keyboard (Probable the worst thing i have ever typed on)
I was told it would be that good of a feeling if i had come from mx switches.
Do you guys think i'm going to be underwhelmed by topre if i'm coming from a laptop chiclet keyboard (Probable the worst thing i have ever typed on)
I was told it would be that good of a feeling if i had come from mx switches.
It's all personal preference some love topre some hate topre the only way to know what you will like is to try it out.
Do you guys think i'm going to be underwhelmed by topre if i'm coming from a laptop chiclet keyboard (Probable the worst thing i have ever typed on)
I was told it would be that good of a feeling if i had come from mx switches.
It's all personal preference some love topre some hate topre the only way to know what you will like is to try it out.
I'm getting it next month so if i don't like it i can sell it to someone on the forums pretty quickly i'm guessing.
I would not recommend someone who is not familiar with topre to buy HHKB just because of the hype. HHKB is a very minimalist keyboard that will require alot of key combos that as many of geekhackers will agree, will take sometime to get used to. While it is good for programmers who perhaps like it for its simplicity and is proficient at typing out key combos at ease as their job require typing out those arcane words at fairly fast rate.
Otherwise, i recommend, get either RealForce 104U or 87U.
PS; i dont own a topre or a HHKB, but, i had been creeping the Topre walkways crawling with HHKB fnatic geekhackers. :D And , this is wad i gather: forgive and correct me if i wrong.
I need advice from fellow geekhackers,
I am currently using well known red-switch 6GV2 from steelseries, and i am thinking i want to try those blue clicky tactile switches that is quite famous. I am thinking Filco 104 keys with camoflage textured board for gamers. However, as i mentioned earlier, as i delve deeper into this geekhack forums infested with HHKB worshippers, i myself had been infected with the carnal need for a Topre switch.
But, i am not yet rich like you guys, ok? So i am thinking Topre Type Heaven. Why dont i see anyone talk about Type Heaven? Even though it is made in China, i believe the Topre Keys switch quality will still be the same. And, does Abs keycaps means the keycaps on your 28 dollar logitech keyboard right? then i can like with that. Topre cost 250 at X-treme solutions shop in Singapore.
So, should i get Filco blues and a Type Heaven. at 220 and 250 respectively. Or Get a REalforce 104U at knock-you-down price of 450 sing dollars.\
Or should i restrain myself from getting type heaven and get my filco first, then save up and buy a realforce later?
And, i had been reading in this thread topre feels like rubber dome? is that true? I mean what is this whole point of topre switch when it feels like rubberdome?
I am slightly new to geekhack, so if i offend folks here in anyway , do forgive me :D
Do you guys think i'm going to be underwhelmed by topre if i'm coming from a laptop chiclet keyboard (Probable the worst thing i have ever typed on)
I was told it would be that good of a feeling if i had come from mx switches.
It's all personal preference some love topre some hate topre the only way to know what you will like is to try it out.
Maybe you guys can help me with something.
Is the 87-UWS model variable key weighted?
Maybe you guys can help me with something.Dude. Thank you so much. I am new to Topres... Thinking of buying one!
Is the 87-UWS model variable key weighted?
White and Black 87U Silent models are both:
30 to 45 gram weighting (letter area), and 55 gram weighting (Esc)
Maybe you guys can help me with something.Dude. Thank you so much. I am new to Topres... Thinking of buying one!
Is the 87-UWS model variable key weighted?
White and Black 87U Silent models are both:
30 to 45 gram weighting (letter area), and 55 gram weighting (Esc)
Indeed. I found one for a good price on eBay, and even though people have told me since I love Buckling Springs I should get the 55g Topre, but the deal to me is decent enough it's worth buying just to try out.Maybe you guys can help me with something.Dude. Thank you so much. I am new to Topres... Thinking of buying one!
Is the 87-UWS model variable key weighted?
White and Black 87U Silent models are both:
30 to 45 gram weighting (letter area), and 55 gram weighting (Esc)
You're welcome! I had the 87UBS before. I loved the sliders but it was a tad light for me. I prefer uniform 45g. I now have uniform 88UB (ISO) uniform 45g and 104UB-DK (same as 87UB uniform 45g but fullsize).
Indeed. I found one for a good price on eBay, and even though people have told me since I love Buckling Springs I should get the 55g Topre, but the deal to me is decent enough it's worth buying just to try out.Maybe you guys can help me with something.Dude. Thank you so much. I am new to Topres... Thinking of buying one!
Is the 87-UWS model variable key weighted?
White and Black 87U Silent models are both:
30 to 45 gram weighting (letter area), and 55 gram weighting (Esc)
You're welcome! I had the 87UBS before. I loved the sliders but it was a tad light for me. I prefer uniform 45g. I now have uniform 88UB (ISO) uniform 45g and 104UB-DK (same as 87UB uniform 45g but fullsize).
What do you think of the sentiment that since I like BS, I should get the 55 grams Topre?
Furthermore, what's the big deal about the Topre with High-Profile switches? Really pricey but I absolutely love how it looks.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Topre-Realforce-104UG-HiPro-High-Profile-Capacitive-Keyboard-PBT-Key-Caps-/190934456651?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item2c7494994b
Indeed. I found one for a good price on eBay, and even though people have told me since I love Buckling Springs I should get the 55g Topre, but the deal to me is decent enough it's worth buying just to try out.Maybe you guys can help me with something.Dude. Thank you so much. I am new to Topres... Thinking of buying one!
Is the 87-UWS model variable key weighted?
White and Black 87U Silent models are both:
30 to 45 gram weighting (letter area), and 55 gram weighting (Esc)
You're welcome! I had the 87UBS before. I loved the sliders but it was a tad light for me. I prefer uniform 45g. I now have uniform 88UB (ISO) uniform 45g and 104UB-DK (same as 87UB uniform 45g but fullsize).
What do you think of the sentiment that since I like BS, I should get the 55 grams Topre?
Furthermore, what's the big deal about the Topre with High-Profile switches? Really pricey but I absolutely love how it looks.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Topre-Realforce-104UG-HiPro-High-Profile-Capacitive-Keyboard-PBT-Key-Caps-/190934456651?pt=PCA_Mice_Trackballs&hash=item2c7494994b
I have an SSK right next to me. 55g would forsure feel more like the Buckling Spring keys. High Profile would also feel more like Buckling Spring Keys since Topre keysets are low like Cherry Profile.
Yeah forsure! Also it seems a white version is out!Damn. That is freaking gorgeous! How would I get my hands on one of those?!?!
http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365053110 (http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365053110)
Yeah forsure! Also it seems a white version is out!Damn. That is freaking gorgeous! How would I get my hands on one of those?!?!
http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365053110 (http://leopold.co.kr/?doc=cart/item.php&it_id=1365053110)
I still love my "cheap" Type Heaven. Its a nice way to get into Topre without spending a bundle to see if you like it.
What's the difference between RF87U standard and EK edition, quality wise? I know it's 45g but is there anything else that makes it less in anyway?
What's the difference between RF87U standard and EK edition, quality wise? I know it's 45g but is there anything else that makes it less in anyway?
AFAIK that is the only difference.
What's the difference between RF87U standard and EK edition, quality wise? I know it's 45g but is there anything else that makes it less in anyway?
AFAIK that is the only difference.
legends are consistent on the EK edition. which, in my opinion, is a pretty big deal.
i've also read that the material of the caps are different between the EK edition and the (white-grey) original versions.
but this might just be black vs white caps, and not necessarily EK caps vs original caps. (the former is my guess.)
What's the difference between RF87U standard and EK edition, quality wise? I know it's 45g but is there anything else that makes it less in anyway?
I just bought the MX to Topre Sliders from the JTK groupbuy on CTRLALT. Does anyone have a guide that I can look at to see how I'm going to install them on my Realforce 104UB?If you search you will find the info you need. Basically you just remove the old sliders and put the new ones in. There are plenty of guides around though.
Any links?
What's the difference between RF87U standard and EK edition, quality wise? I know it's 45g but is there anything else that makes it less in anyway?
AFAIK that is the only difference.
legends are consistent on the EK edition. which, in my opinion, is a pretty big deal.
i've also read that the material of the caps are different between the EK edition and the (white-grey) original versions.
but this might just be black vs white caps, and not necessarily EK caps vs original caps. (the former is my guess.)
Are saying the EK's are consistent opposed to other variants, or was it a typo?
I see what you mean. I'll have to take a look at mine this evening to see how it compares.What's the difference between RF87U standard and EK edition, quality wise? I know it's 45g but is there anything else that makes it less in anyway?
AFAIK that is the only difference.
legends are consistent on the EK edition. which, in my opinion, is a pretty big deal.
i've also read that the material of the caps are different between the EK edition and the (white-grey) original versions.
but this might just be black vs white caps, and not necessarily EK caps vs original caps. (the former is my guess.)
Are saying the EK's are consistent opposed to other variants, or was it a typo?
yes.
EK edition:Show Image(https://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/se19e0_1000_117_th0x0.jpg)
non-EK:Show Image(https://elitekeyboards.com/proddata/images/th/SE070S_full1000_th0x0.jpg)
looking at the non-EK edition, notice the funny legends on the right side of the board; print screen, home, insert, page up, etc. the whole block just looks messed up. for example, the space between 'Page' and 'Up' is too big. the letters on these keys are weirdly thin, and 'squished together', relative to legends on the Num Lock key, for example.
the EK edition has more consistency in the font, spacing and centering of the legends.
other differences are: Enter, Tab, Backspace, CapsLock.
Does Topre develop key chattering? I'm quite fed up with chattering atm. T.T
Does Topre develop key chattering? I'm quite fed up with chattering atm. T.TWhat board are you using?
OMG...the HHKB should be next on your list!
I just got Realforce 87U 55g white version.
It feels so great!
Now, my Razer Blackwidow Chroma feels so cheap that I cannot stand it anymore!!!
I want to try FC660C and HHKB Pro2 and more!
Now, my Razer Blackwidow Chroma feels so cheap that I cannot stand it anymore!!!
OMG...
I just got Realforce 87U 55g white version.
It feels so great!
Now, my Razer Blackwidow Chroma feels so cheap that I cannot stand it anymore!!!
I want to try FC660C and HHKB Pro2 and more!
I couldn't find any mention of this anywhere on GH which is surprising because Hypershpere is a member, but he has an interest check running at Deskthority for Topre silencing rings: http://deskthority.net/help-f53/silencing-rings-for-topre-rf-or-hhkb-t10051-30.html
I've been hunting for a donor board for quite some time, so this is a welcome alternative. Apologies if this has already been posted somewhere and I missed it.
Going back to the consistency of those legends, I guarantee you all of those keycaps are printed in the same place, EK, Non-EK. Maybe it's just a matter of white vs black keycaps.
Going back to the consistency of those legends, I guarantee you all of those keycaps are printed in the same place, EK, Non-EK. Maybe it's just a matter of white vs black keycaps.
Mechs Keyboards in Tokyo...
Short version: my HHKB Type-S is finally home.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vQoIYWg.jpg)
Long version: Tokyo is awesome.
Full album (http://imgur.com/a/u7vov) (well, only the KB related stuff)
I spent 5 days in Tokyo (3 weeks in Japan - Kanazawa, Nara, Kobe, Kumamoto & Ishigaki (south of Okinawa) and around those places) and came back last Wednesday.
I hunted keyboards for almost a full day in Akihabara and as already reported, it's not that easy to find some models, even if it's "made in Japan". Seoul is still the best for that kind of "sport". BTW, I confirmed via email with Topre that all the RF made for Leopold are ONLY found in Korea (I'm looking at you, Realforce 10th Y anniversary edition...)
One product was remarkably absent from MANY stores: the HHKB. And for the few shops that DO have it, the Type-S version isn't often on the menu... A lot of shops had ONLY the Japanese versions of the Realforce too. So plan in advance and know that if you order on Amazon.co.jp in the morning, you can have something delivered the very same day. Can save you a lot of trouble. Note: HHKB is easier to find in mainstream shops like Bic Camera, etc.
For Topre lovers, Tsukumo is the place to go. Small shop in Akiba, with the "nerd section" underground, take the stairs to level -1. Easy to spot ➜ it's close to the AKB48 café, which is very close to one of the exit of the Akihabara station.
Food was my second interest and DAMN it was good. You can check my Instagram (https://instagram.com/zecaf/) for that. But know that Ishigaki Beef Sushi and Kobe beef are AS GOOD as you may imagine. If you're not vegan. ;)