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[IC] PBT Transmutation (Update GB LIVE )
« on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 15:45:04 »




GB is live HERE

GB Post on Geekhack is HERE




Keyboards are amazing because they allow you to create a little bit of fantasy on your desktop, transmuting your workspace into something else entirely.

I really wanted to create that sense of transformation with this keycap set. Bringing in some alchemy, something a little goth, mysterious cults, forgotten ancient languages, natural numbering systems, and magic.

And selfishly, something that could also work with the aesthetic of my Moody Moon Deskmat


Let's make some magic!
Click HERE for the IC form!


UPDATES:


- Taking in feedback, working on creating a non-text modifier set as per feedback / reaching out to artisans (if you know a good one let me know) (5/18/2021)
- Found Vendor: Kono Store. (5/19/2021)
- Ordered Prototypes! (5/19/2021)
- Redid entire kit with a new font that is more in line with the symbol weight, also less harry-potter-esque. (June 2021)
- Created new symbolic Modifier set based on tree branches if you want you entire keyboard to be symbols! (May 2021)
- Added Symbol set to the numpads (June 2021)
- Replaced F keys with new phases of the moon symbols (June 2021)
- Added more interesting verbage for latin modifiers (curse, sacrifice, transmute, enchant!)  (June 2021)
- Prototypes are in production (July 2021)
- New Renders! (July 2021 - this is honestly what was holding everything up, redoing all the UV maps)

- Prototypes received. Color and font adjustments required (should be a smaller turnaround time), hopefully if next group looks ok we can move to a GB date (Sept 2021)



- NOTE: I may have extremely good news about the price and general kitting, coming soon if everything works out. 
- Made a discord for this project MIDNIGHT MIRROR (Aug 2021)
- REORDER of new Prototypes on order and Kono is implementing higher QC standards with this set in mind!  ;D (Dec 2021)
- Prototype Round 2 came in. The colors are near spot on now. There's 1 more round where we get the black to be more warm in hue but it's VERY close. Kono thinks that it may still be a GB in February (2022) so stay tuned! In the meantime I will be super-fine tuning the source files to make sure everything is in alignment etc as best I can (Feb 2022)





- TENTITIVE GB DATE SET FOR: FEB 2022!

~~~~ FINAL UPDATE ~~~~


- Everything looks ready from Kono and the GB will commence MARCH 22nd 2022!


KITS

Kits are subject to change during IC ~ depending on feedback
Kits were changed drastically due to feedback (check update section above) ~
Kits were changed once again due to limitations with the manu! I'll post corrected versions in the GB post and of course on Kono's GB page.












I hope that with every set will be this handy informational sheet on my thinking behind the alchemaic symbol layout and order:





RENDERS



Board: U80


Board: U80


Board: Isometria


Board: Ikki68


Board: Fuji65


Board: SP-111


Alpha set shown here on a Portico (slightly fictional green shade) (this one is the old keyset but leaving here so you get the idea of the general look of the colors)



COLORS




Pantone 419C - Which is what Pantone considers a 'black' but in direct light it does move towards dark-gray
Pantone 7764C - a dark very army-green tending towards grey and more yellow then blue on the colorwheel
Pantone 454C - A light cream color - more neutral then warm reminds me of seashells or a latte or mushrooms.



DESKMATS





Crescent Moon Deskmat




Under Flowers Deskmat

(More soon)


VENDORS

United States: Kono Store
Europe: TBA
Asia: TBA
Oceania: TBA
Canada: TBA



PRICING

TBA


COLLABS


Cables by Kalamity Cables

Artisan keycap Miroticaps

Artisan keycap ARCHETYPE
 
More announcements coming soon


DISCORD


Join the Discord to keep updated on this project: MIDNIGHT MIRROR



TO DO LIST


>Create IC
>Rework set based on feedback
>Find Vendors <NorthAmerica found! Worldwide vendor list soon
>Find Collaborators (I want spooky collabs!)
>GB time!  ;D


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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #1 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 15:45:57 »
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usually i think of red when i think of cult like stuff tho. 

set is still nice  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #2 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 15:46:17 »
This set is something else... in a good way  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #3 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 15:55:39 »
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usually i think of red when i think of cult like stuff tho. 

set is still nice  :thumb:
Hey thank you so much! Actually I initially thought red too and tried to add it, but unfortunately it instantly gave a bad military vibe.



I If I took out Green though it was Instantly Hot Topic... which actually might not be all that bad if people wanted it though.

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #4 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 15:58:51 »
That deskmat is really cool! Has the vibe of some of the newer MTG swamp lands artwork! nice work!
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« Reply #5 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 16:00:05 »
THIS LOOKS AWESOME!

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« Reply #6 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 16:06:33 »
NOICE. I straight-up need this for my Moss Zenith. And the deskmat is perfect. It has a ton of interesting stuff to frame your keyboard, then you lift up your keyboard you get a spooky surprise!

I would suggest making the font sizes on all of the mods uniform rather than sizing them to fit the keys. Out of curiosity, did you test what it looked like with a sans-serif font?
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« Reply #7 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 16:18:14 »
Oh yeah that's true.. .I'll double check to make sure all fonts are the same across the board. I have a version of the keyset that goes to printers (in illustrator) and then the one that I created for 3D renders and unfortunately in Blender things got a little more fast and loose.
As far as San Serif fonts I did try that initially but it felt so 'ordinary' and kinda didn't match the style of the spooky novelties.  At least that's the impression I got.

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« Reply #8 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 16:26:36 »
As far as San Serif fonts I did try that initially but it felt so 'ordinary' and kinda didn't match the style of the spooky novelties.  At least that's the impression I got.

Yeah, that's kinda what I figured. I could also see how it could start to look less occult and more sci-fi. It was probably the correct choice.

Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #9 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 16:38:11 »
That deskmat is great, I am gonna need this for one of my boards for sure... Only ask: would you consider icons or novelties for the mods?

Awesome work man!

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #10 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 16:45:56 »
ooh, I'd love to see icon mods for this set!

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #11 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 16:48:54 »
Filled IC. Looks great and I'm really excited to see how it goes! TL;DR of my IC: would love to see some 40s support in the form of more fun keys in rows 2 and 3.

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #12 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 16:50:18 »
Please consider changing "~#" key to a pipe key for iso-us support

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #13 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 17:25:44 »
New and refreshing

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #14 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 17:46:26 »
Please consider changing "~#" key to a pipe key for iso-us support

Filled IC. Looks great and I'm really excited to see how it goes! TL;DR of my IC: would love to see some 40s support in the form of more fun keys in rows 2 and 3.

Hey thank  you so much for letting me know this stuff! I was basing it on a template, with some of my own kitting alterations but this helps me a lot!

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #15 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 19:04:17 »
Excited to see the IC for this set! The alphas are very unique and cool :D

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #16 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 20:14:53 »
This is awesome! Whoo!
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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #17 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 20:24:31 »
please put your alphas in the base kit
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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #18 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 20:24:53 »
Stop forcing me to buy the strange alphas. Alphas should just be in base kit for me to even consider.

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« Reply #19 on: Wed, 12 May 2021, 22:35:04 »
Stop forcing me to buy the strange alphas. Alphas should just be in base kit for me to even consider.

please put your alphas in the base kit

That was the thing I wasn't sure about when creating this. But most kitting has the weirdo alphas as a seperate kit you have to buy, so I figured I'd force the fantasy and do the reverse for once.
Then again if I get enough people demanding to have regular latin alphas as the basisi of the Core set of course I'll change it  ;D

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #20 on: Thu, 13 May 2021, 00:37:41 »
Looks cool, still needa see one of these reverse dye sub sets in person.


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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 13 May 2021, 05:33:30 »
Color look really nice!! tho personally I don't dig the font on the mods and also its 5-side dye-sub on pbt so its probably gonna be warped but man those color and alphas tho :eek: :eek: :eek:

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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 13 May 2021, 06:30:00 »
Theme and colors are really unique. Not a fan of the legends on the text mods though, maybe consider doing custom icon mods?

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #23 on: Thu, 13 May 2021, 11:01:32 »
Looks really cool, love to see different fonts. Any chance for an additional set of all mods in that beige color or the same as the alphas? Also a text version of the ISO enter would be cool, then the one with the skull could go in the novelty kit instead.

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #24 on: Thu, 13 May 2021, 11:03:26 »
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usually i think of red when i think of cult like stuff tho. 

set is still nice  :thumb:
Hey thank you so much! Actually I initially thought red too and tried to add it, but unfortunately it instantly gave a bad military vibe.



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I If I took out Green though it was Instantly Hot Topic... which actually might not be all that bad if people wanted it though.

Yeah I guess so. If there are some red novelties/accents or red printed novelties/accents might be cool though.

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #25 on: Thu, 13 May 2021, 11:31:01 »
Looks really cool, love to see different fonts. Any chance for an additional set of all mods in that beige color or the same as the alphas? Also a text version of the ISO enter would be cool, then the one with the skull could go in the novelty kit instead.
This are some great suggestions. I'm at the very least going to try to make a text iso enter.
The other one is that you want to basically have the option to eliminate the green color from the board? That's an interesting option I hadn't thought of! Thank  you!

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« Reply #26 on: Thu, 13 May 2021, 12:30:54 »
Yeah I guess so. If there are some red novelties/accents or red printed novelties/accents might be cool though.

Oh Maybe like a very tiny hint of red would be cool- Like an escape or enter key? hmmm....

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« Reply #27 on: Thu, 13 May 2021, 14:21:46 »
Hmm I'm thinking what it would look like if it was based on the original cherry legend positioning and font size. I would enjoy it more if it was in that layout. Right now, I'm not digging it, especially if you're doing it in PBT which I don't think will yield good results.  cause reverse dyesub does not work out most of the time
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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 13 May 2021, 18:27:58 »
Hmm I'm thinking what it would look like if it was based on the original cherry legend positioning and font size. I would enjoy it more if it was in that layout. Right now, I'm not digging it, especially if you're doing it in PBT which I don't think will yield good results.  cause reverse dyesub does not work out most of the time

Oh thanks for your feedback! I hadn't heard that PBT doesn't yield great results. What do you mean specifically by saying it won't work out? Let me know because I've never heard of this.  :-[

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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 13 May 2021, 21:40:35 »
Really awesome! Love the theme.

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« Reply #30 on: Thu, 13 May 2021, 22:21:41 »
Looks nice, I like the theme :)
Just one thing to note; it would be best to work with Pantone U (Uncoated) or TCX etc. if you want things to go smoothly, as coated colors will be desaturated a lot.
One thing to note as well is that C colors cannot translate into U colors, as it has occurred a couple times with some PBT sets using C in renders and U in production.
You will need several sample rounds to calibrate to what saturation you would want (as first samples would be desaturated).
With uncoated, you will probably have it closely calibrated to the Pantone chip as there is no coat (shine) with PBT and will maybe need very minor calibration adjustments. :thumb:
Just giving some tips so nothing happens, as it's a nice looking set.

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #31 on: Thu, 13 May 2021, 23:05:26 »
Looks nice, I like the theme :)
Just one thing to note; it would be best to work with Pantone U (Uncoated) or TCX etc. if you want things to go smoothly, as coated colors will be desaturated a lot.
One thing to note as well is that C colors cannot translate into U colors, as it has occurred a couple times with some PBT sets using C in renders and U in production.
You will need several sample rounds to calibrate to what saturation you would want (as first samples would be desaturated).
With uncoated, you will probably have it closely calibrated to the Pantone chip as there is no coat (shine) with PBT and will maybe need very minor calibration adjustments. :thumb:
Just giving some tips so nothing happens, as it's a nice looking set.
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« Reply #32 on: Fri, 14 May 2021, 00:23:11 »
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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 14 May 2021, 02:31:05 »
Hmm I'm thinking what it would look like if it was based on the original cherry legend positioning and font size. I would enjoy it more if it was in that layout. Right now, I'm not digging it, especially if you're doing it in PBT which I don't think will yield good results.  cause reverse dyesub does not work out most of the time

Oh thanks for your feedback! I hadn't heard that PBT doesn't yield great results. What do you mean specifically by saying it won't work out? Let me know because I've never heard of this.  :-[

treeleaf is talking about reverse dyesub(or 5-side dyesub) where instead of dye subbing the legend onto the keycaps, you have the keycaps in the legend color and dying the non-legend area into the color you want, you have to do this because you can not dyesub a lighter color onto darker color, which will result in the PBT caps getting blasted in the heat on all side and will make the keycaps warp

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« Reply #34 on: Fri, 14 May 2021, 03:47:40 »
I love the alchemy alphas and arrows, but I really dislike the font for the mods.

This is a lot to ask for, but Since you seem to have a talent for the icon and novelty design, I think this kit will really shine with custom icon mods.

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 14 May 2021, 06:47:06 »
I love the alchemy alphas and arrows, but I really dislike the font for the mods.

This is a lot to ask for, but Since you seem to have a talent for the icon and novelty design, I think this kit will really shine with custom icon mods.

I really like the text on the mods, so I think having an option for both would be best, then it'd be possible to go all icons, all text or mix and match.

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #36 on: Fri, 14 May 2021, 12:19:22 »
I love the alchemy alphas and arrows, but I really dislike the font for the mods.

This is a lot to ask for, but Since you seem to have a talent for the icon and novelty design, I think this kit will really shine with custom icon mods.

I really like the text on the mods, so I think having an option for both would be best, then it'd be possible to go all icons, all text or mix and match.

Ok I've been hearing basically split down the middle feedback on the mods from here and on reddit, but I think making icon mods is a pretty dang good idea. So I'm going to do it! It will be in the style of the arrow keys so that it basically becomes a forest of treebranches around your keyboard. I think I could make it pretty cool.
That being said I'm wondering if I should change  the Latin typography to hand written font (like what youd see in a medical/scientific journal.) but that's another endevor.

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #37 on: Fri, 14 May 2021, 12:21:20 »
Hmm I'm thinking what it would look like if it was based on the original cherry legend positioning and font size. I would enjoy it more if it was in that layout. Right now, I'm not digging it, especially if you're doing it in PBT which I don't think will yield good results.  cause reverse dyesub does not work out most of the time

Oh thanks for your feedback! I hadn't heard that PBT doesn't yield great results. What do you mean specifically by saying it won't work out? Let me know because I've never heard of this.  :-[

treeleaf is talking about reverse dyesub(or 5-side dyesub) where instead of dye subbing the legend onto the keycaps, you have the keycaps in the legend color and dying the non-legend area into the color you want, you have to do this because you can not dyesub a lighter color onto darker color, which will result in the PBT caps getting blasted in the heat on all side and will make the keycaps warp

And not only that, but the legend quality  can suffer because you are putting more surface area dye
 which is harder to control.  It's harder to perfect.

At least this is my personal experience
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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #38 on: Fri, 14 May 2021, 12:47:35 »
And not only that, but the legend quality  can suffer because you are putting more surface area dye
 which is harder to control.  It's harder to perfect.

At least this is my personal experience

Is this a real big concern? For instance I just got infinikey musubi in the mail, and there's a lot of light grey printed on red and blue (which are darker) and it looks pretty darn good.

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« Reply #39 on: Fri, 14 May 2021, 15:21:23 »
Just wanted to chime in that I very  much like the icon alphas in the basekit (not really interested in the latin alphas).

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« Reply #40 on: Fri, 14 May 2021, 15:23:10 »
Very nice and refreshing!

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #41 on: Fri, 14 May 2021, 15:31:39 »
And not only that, but the legend quality  can suffer because you are putting more surface area dye
 which is harder to control.  It's harder to perfect.

At least this is my personal experience

Is this a real big concern? For instance I just got infinikey musubi in the mail, and there's a lot of light grey printed on red and blue (which are darker) and it looks pretty darn good.
This is a major problem, basically, no manu has got reverse dyesub down, with musubi, because the whole set isn't reverse it is much easier to qc instead of every key needing it

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« Reply #42 on: Fri, 14 May 2021, 15:38:07 »
This is a major problem, basically, no manu has got reverse dyesub down, with musubi, because the whole set isn't reverse it is much easier to qc instead of every key needing it

Is there a solution to this besides doubleshotting? I don't think that would be viable for a whole set right? Because it would cost big bucks to do a whole set with new molds for doubleshots? Please give me your opinion oh wise chicken!  :D

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #43 on: Fri, 14 May 2021, 16:00:58 »
Is there a solution to this besides doubleshotting? I don't think that would be viable for a whole set right? Because it would cost big bucks to do a whole set with new molds for doubleshots? Please give me your opinion oh wise chicken!  :D
No real cherry manu that does it the best, epbt will be your best option as they are improving, but for now it's just tough luck

Although I'm sure as you basically have to go dyesub for your legends, people will give you some leeway

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #44 on: Sat, 15 May 2021, 08:08:03 »
This set only interests me if the base has the icon alphas. I’m not interested in Latin alphas, and I think it would be diluting the theme if these were in the base.

The set also needs to have a R3 home key.

The novelties are on point, they look great.

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #45 on: Sat, 15 May 2021, 08:14:10 »
I think making icon mods is a pretty dang good idea. So I'm going to do it! It will be in the style of the arrow keys so that it basically becomes a forest of treebranches around your keyboard.

DO IT!!!! I can see it in my mind already. It’s going to look awesome.

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« Reply #46 on: Sat, 15 May 2021, 21:47:31 »
This set only interests me if the base has the icon alphas. I’m not interested in Latin alphas, and I think it would be diluting the theme if these were in the base.

The set also needs to have a R3 home key.

The novelties are on point, they look great.


Thanks for the feedback! And the bit about the r3 home key, that’s a good catch.
And yep please hold for a few transmutations of this set! It should be too long.
I think making icon mods is a pretty dang good idea. So I'm going to do it! It will be in the style of the arrow keys so that it basically becomes a forest of treebranches around your keyboard.

DO IT!!!! I can see it in my mind already. It’s going to look awesome.


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« Reply #47 on: Tue, 18 May 2021, 11:48:58 »
Small Update: May have a vendor, still exploring.
Also working on creating a full symbolic modifier set (as in no-text version) so that you can have a truly transformative keyboard experience!  :D

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« Reply #48 on: Thu, 20 May 2021, 19:42:14 »
Small update (but really a big step for this set) Found a great vendor for the project KonoStore and they have been 100% on the ball and ordered prototypes to see how these full-size symbol keys will look.
Also Kalamity Cables wants to collab!

I'm very excited! More news soon!

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #49 on: Mon, 24 May 2021, 19:05:30 »
Looks great! I especially love that artwork that's made for the banner. Almost could be used as a character for set promotion like the Tuzi bunny was.

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« Reply #50 on: Mon, 24 May 2021, 22:11:19 »
this is a really cool idea and it's great to see how much effort you put into it!

a personal opinion - i think the set as a whole would look a lot tighter and cleaner if you make the legends a little smaller. the mod text is way bigger than any mod text ever and kind of takes away from the alphas (and the size differences are too obvious, it should be very minimally different), and the alpha symbols are cool but slightly tooooo big so it looks a bit crowded. however this is just what i think, if you're happy with what you have then it's a non-issue :)

kitting feedback - i find it a bit strange and excessive that there are novelties in the base kit, yet there's a separate novelties set on top of it. if you want to provide a latin alphas option for people who want the colour scheme/font without the symbols completely, the base kit should have latin ESC as well.

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« Reply #51 on: Tue, 25 May 2021, 08:13:51 »
Once I saw PBT Transmutation I thought it had to do with FMA Brotherhood, was gonna come in here and insta type reserved. But I clicked into a pleasant surprise. I personally do like the set because it is so different. The font of the mods is a bit off putting, I don't really like the the size of the lettering too but it fits with the theme. If it were a smaller and different font I think it would look weird so keep the mods the same imo! I really like the touch with the numbers too. GLWIC!

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #52 on: Wed, 26 May 2021, 00:53:41 »
Colors are definitely interesting.
Wondering how the large base kit  will effect price.
Looking forward.


Sam E

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« Reply #53 on: Wed, 26 May 2021, 23:46:46 »
this is a really cool idea and it's great to see how much effort you put into it!

a personal opinion - i think the set as a whole would look a lot tighter and cleaner if you make the legends a little smaller. the mod text is way bigger than any mod text ever and kind of takes away from the alphas (and the size differences are too obvious, it should be very minimally different), and the alpha symbols are cool but slightly tooooo big so it looks a bit crowded. however this is just what i think, if you're happy with what you have then it's a non-issue :)

kitting feedback - i find it a bit strange and excessive that there are novelties in the base kit, yet there's a separate novelties set on top of it. if you want to provide a latin alphas option for people who want the colour scheme/font without the symbols completely, the base kit should have latin ESC as well.

Hey wow thank you for this feedback, you pretty much honed in on my exact concerns for this set. I'm currently working on some big changes with it which should address the size of the alphas and then also give some other options for people who were looking to go 100% symbols on their entire keyboard. Thanks for pointing out the lack of an ESC key as well, that's something I completely overlooked!

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #54 on: Thu, 27 May 2021, 13:18:07 »
Once I saw PBT Transmutation I thought it had to do with FMA Brotherhood, was gonna come in here and insta type reserved. But I clicked into a pleasant surprise. I personally do like the set because it is so different. The font of the mods is a bit off putting, I don't really like the the size of the lettering too but it fits with the theme. If it were a smaller and different font I think it would look weird so keep the mods the same imo! I really like the touch with the numbers too. GLWIC!

Ahh yeah I think at this point everyone kinda hates the size of the font which I'm going to address quite soon and make a bit smaller.
But thanks a ton for your comment, it actually makes me confident in this set. I want to bring something entirely different to the table after seeing so many sets that feel the same. Lets not be timid about keyboards  ;D

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #55 on: Sat, 05 June 2021, 20:50:06 »
Things I've been working on today (6/5/2021) is making symbolic modifiers, redoing the text (makin it smaller), remaking kitting, and then added the little mascot of this set to a key...because why not?! Some people add their signature, but for this set  I'm adding his!


On the other side of production, still waiting on samples and estimates on price!  :thumb:
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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #56 on: Mon, 07 June 2021, 01:08:35 »
Great looking set. Totally down for the colorway. Filled in the form and added feedback to add alphas to base kit or maybe 2 base kits


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« Reply #57 on: Sun, 13 June 2021, 23:41:52 »
I made SO MANY CHANGES to this set! I'll do a full update post to this IC when I get some nice renders done. Also my vendor (KONO) may ask for additional changes, but I've handed it all off to them and we'll see what the feedback brings! I changed the font for the Latin Alphas (I really love the new font, it fits so much better and is still gothic yet not "harry potter" gothic). I changed the size (and standardized) all of all the text sizing and also removed it from the core set to it's own "Latin Modifier" kit. But also kitted it in a way that you can get a Latin keycap only set instead of symbolic set if that strikes you or even mix-and-match if you want.
I also upped the quirkyness and magicalness and gothicness of the words on the Latin alphas (you'll see).



Also removed the Numpad because I was thinking it would end up being too expensive in the base set. But also wanted to give people the option to go either numerical or the 'natural numbers' symbols route. Also changed the F-row keys to Phases of the moon which made sense to me numerically.

Thanks to anyone who is following this set and a BIG THANK YOU to everyone who gave me the valuable feedback on the set. I tried to follow as much of the feedback as I could. Sometimes opposing feedback clashed a little bit, but it was always helpful!  ;D Everyone in the here really does rock.

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #58 on: Mon, 14 June 2021, 07:50:06 »
Now this is beyond words, you have outdone yourself sir!

Those mods. Just. Look at them. They match. They are just branches, yet somehow, they make sense. They pair perfectly where they need to (home/end, pgUp/pgDn).

The moon phase function keys are a great change.

I am also excited about a symbol numpad, I was worried about the standard digits in the original base kit you had, but am now looking forward to getting the symbols on the numpad as well.
So on the topic of the number keys, I’m not necessarily feeling the legends you have. I’ve tried to like them, but they don’t seem ‘balanced’ to me. 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 are one style, and 6, 7, 8, 9 are another. 6 + 4 seems strange.
Perhaps you could consider 3 + 3 + 3 + 1? (1,2,3) + (4,5,6) + (7, 8, 9) + (0)
If you did that, it would look great on the numpad, and still quite ok on the number row.

I hope my feedback is well received. I know it’s a huge ask to redesign/work the numbers, but I think this design will be better for it. IMHO, currently, after the awesome mods, it’s the number legends which are the weak point now.

Also, just because I would love to see this set actually make MOQ, perhaps consider 2 base kits, one symbol only legends, and the other Latin? That way you won’t alienate either camp. (I’m in camp symbol btw)

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« Reply #59 on: Tue, 15 June 2021, 15:21:35 »
Love this set and the idea of a KB thats only symbols and novelties. What colour keyboard do you think this would go well with?
Would definitely pick this up, whats the projected GB date looking like?

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #60 on: Tue, 15 June 2021, 16:31:28 »


I hope my feedback is well received. I know it’s a huge ask to redesign/work the numbers, but I think this design will be better for it. IMHO, currently, after the awesome mods, it’s the number legends which are the weak point now.

Also, just because I would love to see this set actually make MOQ, perhaps consider 2 base kits, one symbol only legends, and the other Latin? That way you won’t alienate either camp. (I’m in camp symbol btw)

Ah yeah I was going back and forth on what the look of the numbers should be for quite some time and found this numbering system and I like it because it matches the look of a lot of Alchemical symbols- it's the way it is because it replicates geometry found in nature (hence why it's called natures numbers).

Even though it's basically science/math based it seemed like a lot of similar thinking to the witchcraft and alchemy.

Also yeah I agree about having the set be accessible to people who like the symbols or people who just want the dang regular letters on their boards! So there will be essentially 2 base kits, but I broke up the latin kit into 2 sets so that if you wanted to switch out latin modifiers but have symbols or have latin alphas but symbolic modifiers it should be possible without buying 2 complete base kits.
So yeah I think this will work?

Thanks so much for the feedback! It's really invaluable!  :thumb:

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« Reply #61 on: Tue, 15 June 2021, 16:33:56 »
Love this set and the idea of a KB thats only symbols and novelties. What colour keyboard do you think this would go well with?
Would definitely pick this up, whats the projected GB date looking like?

If you can find yourself the rare green keyboard this would go perfectly, but I've found Black keyboard and cream keyboards work best!

Oh and yeah right now we're getting quotes from different manufacturers so we should be able to choose one any day now- once we do that they'll give us a timeframe and I'm thinking the GB will happen right after that! I hope soon-ish!?

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #62 on: Wed, 16 June 2021, 05:52:02 »
Heey, registered to geekhack to say that this set is GREAT!
Will be waiting for the groupbuy)

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #63 on: Wed, 16 June 2021, 16:47:58 »
Love this set and the idea of a KB thats only symbols and novelties. What colour keyboard do you think this would go well with?
Would definitely pick this up, whats the projected GB date looking like?

If you can find yourself the rare green keyboard this would go perfectly, but I've found Black keyboard and cream keyboards work best!

Oh and yeah right now we're getting quotes from different manufacturers so we should be able to choose one any day now- once we do that they'll give us a timeframe and I'm thinking the GB will happen right after that! I hope soon-ish!?


Thats a great call, will definitely look into grabbing one  for this set. I also dig the Dark Blue Alphas and Red Novelties in the 2nd post, really cool!

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #64 on: Mon, 05 July 2021, 03:24:13 »
Hey!
Any info on approximate GB date?

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« Reply #65 on: Sun, 11 July 2021, 15:59:45 »
No concrete groupbuy set from Konostore, but they've ordered samples and we're thinking if everything goes well towards the end of summer? I'm about to do a big update on this post! :thumb:

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation
« Reply #66 on: Sun, 11 July 2021, 18:08:13 »
Let's go!!!  :thumb:

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« Reply #67 on: Sun, 11 July 2021, 20:39:40 »
This character is so useful!

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation (new kits, renders, deskmat added!)
« Reply #68 on: Sun, 11 July 2021, 23:43:50 »
Huge update on this set!

This was a lot of rework by me over the past few months. I touched almost everything in the set, redid the words on the modifiers, redid the fonts, created a symbolic modifier set based on tree branches (for that spooky VVitch vibe), added symbols to the numpad and much more. Also made another spooky deskmat to add to the set!

Also on the logistic side my vendor found a possible manufacturer and ordered samples! (now we wait some more)

Thanks to everyone who has shown interest in this set so far, hopefully this means with your posts, that this thing is going to get made (and actually if all goes well, going into GB quite soon!)


Also should I make a discord for this project? Would there be enough interest for something like that?!   :cool:





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« Reply #69 on: Mon, 12 July 2021, 04:37:07 »
Yeah, update!
Set looks stunning, but for me it's weird to have numpad with numbers in a core set with symbols.
Maybe it's just me, but maybe it's better to move them into some latin-based set (alphas or modes)?
Other than that - I love those fangs to use for shifts in novelties, any chances to get them (like for standard TKL) in 2.75 and 2.25?)

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation (new kits, renders, deskmat added!)
« Reply #70 on: Mon, 12 July 2021, 07:29:41 »
Huge update on this set!

This was a lot of rework by me over the past few months. I touched almost everything in the set, redid the words on the modifiers, redid the fonts, created a symbolic modifier set based on tree branches (for that spooky VVitch vibe), added symbols to the numpad and much more. Also made another spooky deskmat to add to the set!

Also on the logistic side my vendor found a possible manufacturer and ordered samples! (now we wait some more)

Thanks to everyone who has shown interest in this set so far, hopefully this means with your posts, that this thing is going to get made (and actually if all goes well, going into GB quite soon!)


Also should I make a discord for this project? Would there be enough interest for something like that?!   :cool:






Fantastic work!

Any chance of making the symbols smaller? They are almost covering the entire surface area.

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation (new kits, renders, deskmat added!)
« Reply #71 on: Mon, 12 July 2021, 08:53:30 »
It kind of sucks that in order to get Latin mods with the base kit alphas that I need to buy two things instead of one. Nevertheless, I am still looking foward for the groupbuy. Hopefully the added number pad on the base kit won't add to much to the cost.  :thumb:

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« Reply #72 on: Mon, 12 July 2021, 19:35:26 »
It kind of sucks that in order to get Latin mods with the base kit alphas that I need to buy two things instead of one. Nevertheless, I am still looking foward for the groupbuy. Hopefully the added number pad on the base kit won't add to much to the cost.  :thumb:

Actually this is part of the aforementioned 'good news' that I hinted at. adding additional kits may end up costing nothing at all. Stay tuned!  :eek:

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« Reply #73 on: Mon, 12 July 2021, 20:42:44 »
I am in love with this set and cant wait! be keen to see the vendor for Aus!! do you have any renders on a white board? or some on the way?

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« Reply #74 on: Sat, 17 July 2021, 12:48:38 »
I am in love with this set and cant wait! be keen to see the vendor for Aus!! do you have any renders on a white board? or some on the way?

Your suggestion made me realize that I needed a render on an E-white Fuji65!.  :thumb:
So here it is! (I'll add it to the main post too)
Thanks for the suggestion!


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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation (new kits, renders, deskmat added!)
« Reply #75 on: Sat, 17 July 2021, 14:07:19 »
Will you change the design of the 40s mods as well? They no longer match the basekit which is a bit sad.

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation (new kits, renders, deskmat added!)
« Reply #76 on: Sun, 25 July 2021, 12:58:38 »
Awesome set! It would be cool if the core set included space bars for split keebs

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« Reply #77 on: Sun, 25 July 2021, 17:49:34 »
Awesome set! It would be cool if the core set included space bars for split keebs

 ;D ;D ;D Stay tuned! We're still hashing out the kitting and prices, but they might be combining some of these sets into something that is better for everyone.

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« Reply #78 on: Tue, 27 July 2021, 09:48:13 »
Do you have a discord or anything I can join?

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« Reply #79 on: Thu, 29 July 2021, 00:42:34 »
Big fan of these caps. I want to build my first keyboard and I'm thinking of using these if they get into group buy. I would prefer alphas being the standard personally and noticed you said you may do that if enough people said it so I thought I'd put my two cents in.

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« Reply #80 on: Thu, 29 July 2021, 08:30:31 »
I think it is great that you have non-standard alphas in base kit - it's quite unique and refreshing to have such set in this hobby)

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« Reply #81 on: Thu, 29 July 2021, 23:47:52 »
 :eek: I got a pic of the progress of samples.. I won’t know the actual colors till I see it in person, but this is pretty exciting!!! It’s really feeling like this could be a keyset that is so close to being able to touch and use!

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation (new kits, renders, deskmat added!)
« Reply #82 on: Fri, 30 July 2021, 17:59:04 »
Looking forward to this set. Good luck with the IC

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« Reply #83 on: Mon, 02 August 2021, 00:08:12 »
Do you have a discord or anything I can join?

Just made a discord today! You can join the discord which will have mostly info on this set and any collabs associated with it!

Here's the link: MIDNIGHT MIRROR

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« Reply #84 on: Tue, 24 August 2021, 13:20:20 »
Sorry for the wait on this set with no updates as to when the GB will occur. Although this is for the best since we're ordering a full set of keyset samples so that the set will be as good as it can be! I expect this will be a lot of waiting then suddenly it'll be GO TIME.
I kinda hope it happens this Halloween! (which Kono is in agreement would be a perfect GB timeframe) ;D

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation (2nd round preliminary Prototyping in progress)
« Reply #85 on: Sat, 25 September 2021, 14:56:38 »
Some small updates to the main post about where the prototyping stands on this project (basically need a 2nd round made)

Also wanted to mention that one of my favorite artisan makers Archetype is on board for a collab! (actually they've been on board since early summer but I contacted them kind of too early and now I keep delaying! Sorry Archetype! But also I can't wait to see what one of these octo's look like in Transmutation colors!


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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation (2nd round preliminary Prototyping in progress)
« Reply #86 on: Sat, 25 September 2021, 16:30:55 »
Amazing work, especially on the alphas! I've lost way too much money on keebs this year, but if you ever run the set in another profile (DSA? KAT?) I'd be all over it. Those alphas are way too good to be a once-off, but personally I think centered legends look better on rounded profiles. Might give you some freedom to run a mono grey version too, which would make it easier to pair with more boards. Just my two cents.

Also thought I'd say this looks like a ridiculously good fit for KeebsForAll's olive FB60?
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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation (2nd round preliminary Prototyping in progress)
« Reply #87 on: Sun, 17 October 2021, 16:29:37 »
Amazing work, especially on the alphas! I've lost way too much money on keebs this year, but if you ever run the set in another profile (DSA? KAT?) I'd be all over it. Those alphas are way too good to be a once-off, but personally I think centered legends look better on rounded profiles. Might give you some freedom to run a mono grey version too, which would make it easier to pair with more boards. Just my two cents.

Also thought I'd say this looks like a ridiculously good fit for KeebsForAll's olive FB60?

OMG I don't need another 60% but now I kinda need that 60%  :eek: I'm gonna put it on the green polygon65.... hopefully.... eventually!


But yeah I don't want to plan ahead as far as other profiles JUUUUUST yet since I'm scared that will jinx it and I already have so many "cursed" symbols on here already  ;D
But early on I was also tossing around the idea of a "Hot-topic" colorway with this which would be in the Red/Black/white of course!

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation (2nd round preliminary Prototyping in progress)
« Reply #88 on: Sun, 17 October 2021, 20:10:48 »
who is the manu? the green from the protos does not seem to match the renders at all

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« Reply #89 on: Tue, 09 November 2021, 14:35:40 »
Yeah there's going to be a bit of differences I guess because of the way that PBT is made, it seems to be a pretty hard thing to dial in. But that being said, that picture in particular was also the first round of samples... more to come!  (which is why this hasn't gone to GB yet, KONO wants to be careful and not run it without knowing it's possible first)!

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation (Tentative GB Date set - finally)
« Reply #90 on: Wed, 15 December 2021, 19:24:42 »
Doing reorders of samples, tightening up of QC at the factory... But all that stuff isn't as important as:

:cool:  TENTITIVE GROUP BUY SET FOR FEBRUARY 1ST 2022!   :cool:

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« Reply #91 on: Fri, 17 December 2021, 12:29:33 »
Can't wait!

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation (Tentative GB Still February 2022!)
« Reply #92 on: Fri, 11 February 2022, 23:04:57 »
Good news! Things are moving! We actually got a good look at the colors and they all look pretty dang close, as you can see from the pictures the match is pretty close to the pantone chip, For some reason it's photographing kind of poorly!
So February may still be when the OC will happen, at least that's what I'm hoping for!

This weekend I'm going to go in and fine tune every single key and make sure everything is perfectly aligned. Some of the symbols are a tiny bit too close to the top of the key (as pictured below).
So I think things are looking good and actually moving forward towards a GB!


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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation (Tentative GB Still February 2022!)
« Reply #93 on: Tue, 15 February 2022, 21:59:25 »
Oh my word I love this. instant must buy for me. I hate how much I like both the symbol mods and text mods. God damn this is going to be an expensive buy but I think its going to be my eventual beige build because that is going to look great.

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation (update: GB March 22! )
« Reply #94 on: Sun, 20 March 2022, 17:12:37 »
Oh my word I love this. instant must buy for me. I hate how much I like both the symbol mods and text mods. God damn this is going to be an expensive buy but I think its going to be my eventual beige build because that is going to look great.

This set is one where Kono and I have been really working our socks off to get it to be affordable. Because of the symbols involved with every key it was a set that a lot of manu's didn't want to touch, but after many iterations and samples we finally have something that is both pretty good quality and really good price! GB this tuesday!!  ;D

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation (update: GB March 22! )
« Reply #95 on: Sun, 20 March 2022, 18:46:13 »
So, you plan to have regional vendors? I want to join this too, in EU.

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation (update: GB March 22! )
« Reply #96 on: Sun, 20 March 2022, 22:19:41 »
So, you plan to have regional vendors? I want to join this too, in EU.

Yep there should be regional vendors! Sorry I don't have the details on that quite yet. But I'll be putting it in the GB post for sure!

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Re: [IC] PBT Transmutation (update: GB March 22! )
« Reply #97 on: Mon, 21 March 2022, 03:15:33 »
This is amazing! Love everything about it