Is there a weight? I see a placement on the back of the beige board
Also is the beige in the photos the cerakote option?
Looks fantastic. I'd like to order, but I don't really see an estimated timeline, just a group-buy window. What's the expected production time?
Ahh, thank you.Looks fantastic. I'd like to order, but I don't really see an estimated timeline, just a group-buy window. What's the expected production time?
I believe in the form, it says shipping around September.
I love the board design over all, i'm a sucker for 660 layouts.Agree. Would be nice to have all the color samples before the GB ends.
And I love the fact that it's super clean and nothing too fancy.
That said, this GB is lacking a lot of pictures, additional info, and typing test videos that showcase various popular switches at this time.
- Why is there no pictures of the bottom?
- Does this have a bottom weight? There is no mention of one, but I see a picture with the bottom weight cutout.
- How come there aren't more typing tests, more tests with various different switches would help this GB.
Again, I love this clean design. And sincerely hope this does well!!
More GB runners the better, at a time where custom keyboard demand is so high definitely helps this community.
I just hope there were more pictures, typing tests, and information regarding the bottom weight
Would it be possible to buy the pink kit in the pics to ship in July? I can pay now.
Any sample of the metal green color option?
is the purple case color seen in the picture of the completed cases how it is going to look?
Could you confirm which type of aluminum this is? 606X is too vague
Also, why the left blocker is so thin?
It's a really good project, congrat's guys.
But i feel it miss picture for all the colors. With the name on it.
I'm colorblind and it's kinda hard to choose :)
I'll see.
looks great, why no black cerakote for the top only the bottom?
Can you post a picture of the PCB?
You mentioned LED indicators. Where would these be visible on the case?
Thanks!
When we are in the morning, foreign countries are usually night or dawn.
There are time zone differences, and we have 10 times more to deal with than our original estimates.
We are checking one by one. All inquiries will be processed in sequential order, so if you are missing, please send it again!
really busy handling these! So we haven't sent an invoice yet. sorry
We start sending invoices in about 4 hours.
Invoices are sent in the order in which the forms were completed.
(Because we write invoices in the order in which the forms were created)
The first 20 payments will be sent sequentially from July 1.
And we will upload color samples and additional typing videos tomorrow!
Hi,
The date on the google form says it is ending June 15th. But your GH thread says it is ending June 9th. Could you please clarify?
Quick question, which shipping company are you going to use? (to Germany in particular if that matters)
Thanks!
Quick question, which shipping company are you going to use? (to Germany in particular if that matters)
Thanks!
We ship using EMS on koreapost.
For the first 20 invoices paid, does it matter what options are chosen? Or will it always be fulfilled on July 1, as long it's paid?
Amount error in Form was fixed.
Cerakote option is +$35 equal to top and bottom. Due to a typographical error that was only in the form
This was an error only in the order form, so $35 was normally requested for the invoice.
We apologize for any inconvenience. Please contact us by e-mail to modify, cancel or refund your order.
I placed an order already, but was wondering if there is a black cerakote option?Isn't there a black cerakote option in the form?
Hmm. My wrong. I did not see it yesterday. Any chance I could change my order and make it cerakote in black?If you have not received an invoice, you should be able to modify the form. If you have, I'd send them an email (listed in GB thread)
Hi! Can you post a sample color for orange gold?
I'm a bit confused on my invoice, there is a line item for an extra top case
660 Extra Top Case
+ Extra top case
1 $85.00 $85.00
Which I didn't order, and AFAICT there is no there is no extra top case option anyway.
Hmm. My wrong. I did not see it yesterday. Any chance I could change my order and make it cerakote in black?
Hi chanming, do you know if the PCB has ESD protection on it?
Will there be a weight included with the keyboard?
Thank a lot for the new pictures!
I am right if i say the purple here is a anodysing color only ?Show Image(https://i.postimg.cc/kXjZ0Hn0/purple1.jpg)
regards
omg thats perfect ! Thank you chanmin kang for all of this.
However i still need help from someone. Can someone name all the color ? I'm sorry guys but im colorblind and i can't figure out if its cerakote or not. I would really apreciate.
Also we can have the bottom different color than the top ? Is it a good idea ?
ty
Hello, I ordered an additional base kit (two total). The additional base kit totaled to $270 USD instead of $240 as stated. Is this correct or was I charged incorrectly?
What is this color ? I want this one.
Looks like a purple cerakote, but I don't see this offered.
Was this a prototype or can I order it?
(Attachment Link)
Hello,
Is it possible to do this pastel yellow color as well?
Thank you!
(Attachment Link)
Hello,
Is it possible to do this pastel yellow color as well?
Thank you!
(Attachment Link)
This is a beige cerakote. It's a pretty good color. Don't you think so?
(Although it's a different keyboard) I brought a photos
omg thats perfect ! Thank you chanmin kang for all of this.
However i still need help from someone. Can someone name all the color ? I'm sorry guys but im colorblind and i can't figure out if its cerakote or not. I would really apreciate.
Also we can have the bottom different color than the top ? Is it a good idea ?
ty
from the top down (what i see):
navy blue ano
orange gold ano
champagne gold ano
rose gold ano
rose gold ano
champagne gold ano
navy cerakote
silver ano
white cerakote
last one is yellow cerakote
i could be wrong but this is what I think
Hello,
Is it possible to do this pastel yellow color as well?
Thank you!
(Attachment Link)
This is a beige cerakote. It's a pretty good color. Don't you think so?
(Although it's a different keyboard) I brought a photos
Does the PCB support 3 and 5 pin switches and screw in stabilisers?
Would it be possible to get a copper plate? Maybe for the same upcharge as a brass plate.
Can we get an example of Gray (ano and cera)?
I was still really interested but i realized that there is no ISO on this keyboard (left shift)There is. It’s universal.
I was still really interested but i realized that there is no ISO on this keyboard (left shift)There is. It’s universal.
And of course i assign Fn key to Menu key on the layout picture right ?Yes. PCB supports QMK, so you can program whatever you like.
I was still really interested but i realized that there is no ISO on this keyboard (left shift)There is. It’s universal.What do you mean ? So i can solder a small left shift key and my <> key instead ? Why the layout don't show this option then ?
Oh ok now i see it. Missed it because it was on the right of the picture. Sorry.
And of course i assign Fn key to Menu key on the layout picture right ?
I was still really interested but i realized that there is no ISO on this keyboard (left shift)There is. It’s universal.What do you mean ? So i can solder a small left shift key and my <> key instead ? Why the layout don't show this option then ?
Oh ok now i see it. Missed it because it was on the right of the picture. Sorry.
And of course i assign Fn key to Menu key on the layout picture right ?
I found the link to their Discord, where they have posted an image of the PCB, and it does not have support ISO left shift (with <> next to it as I need aswell). Check for yourself: https://discord.gg/dRQcZZ9
I really want this, but the lack of ISO shift is kind of a dealbreaker for me...
Oh, my bad. I just assumed since the plate supports split left shift, that the PCB would as well. That's really strange to me. Personally, when using ISO, I like to bind '<' to 'AltGr+,', and '>' to 'AltGr+.', and keep the big left shift.
Is it +$35 for top and +$35 for bottom ceratoke beige? meaning if i wanted a full beige keyboard, it would be an extra $70? or just $35? also, what kind of shipping expenses should we expect (estimate)?
I'm really excited for this GB but I wanna make sure I know what to pick on the google form!
Is there any way to check if we get our anodized board shipped July 1st?
I may switch to cerakote if it will ship in the later batch.
2 questions
Anyone know what is the estimate shipping to US?
What color would best go with JTK Zen/ePBT Ivory?
TIA
is there a way to change form anodizing to cerakote ?
can you please confirm the following:
- keycap units for the right shift
- keycap units for the bottom row
- keycap profile for the 2 keys grouped on the right ?
Are the blockers removable? Not sure if was something that we selected on the order form, but I might've missed it.
Were confirmation emails for orders sent out already?
Thank you for ordering KKINGKONG660
※ If you think you have nothing to do with this email, please let me know!
Hello. Thank you for purchasing the KKINGKKONG660 keyboard.
GB order period is over.
We are organizing data to request the factory to make a keyboard.
A lot of people have ordered it. So it's going to take some time.
As soon as the data is organized, an email will be sent to confirm the options you ordered.
From tomorrow, order changes, refunds, etc. are all impossible.
All changes will be closed completely. (Excluding recipient address)
Be sure to know the above! Coming soon with new news!
Neither did IMay need to check trash mail, gmail is tagging the email as trash :(
Hi. This is Chan-min Kang. Your ordered 660 keyboard will ship in July.
Sorry for the late mail. We received a lot of orders, and it took time to sort out 20 people who met the requirements.
We will start the shipping process from July 1st after we prepare.
Unfortunately, we will not be able to ship all 20 items at once on July 1st.
It still takes a lot of time to prepare for delivery due to covid-19.
Documents and invoices are required for delivery.
When we shipped a product a few days ago, it took a lot of time due to various documents and regulations. We'll try to prepare this in advance.
So, we hope that you understand that even if there is a slight delay in shipping.
Finally, please modify the order form accordingly. We are not responsible if you receive a different color/product due to different shipping addresses or orders
If, at the time of receiving this email, you want to give up your right to receive it quickly, or if you think I have received this email even if I do not meet the conditions, please reply.
Regard.
Got Shipping notification just now. :eek:
Got Shipping notification just now. :eek:
Was yours one of the boards that was down for July shipping?
Are people getting shipping info for July batch yet? Any updates?Nope nothing yet.
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Any updates on the 20 boards that are expected to ship out 1st week of July.I have a order confirm email with a screenshot of what it is ordered, but gmail is putting it in trash mail :rolleyes:
Is there a Google form somewhere we all can see what was ordered etc?
The following list will be sent out in July.
660_0001
660_0003
660_0004
660_0006
660_0007
660_0009
660_0010
660_0011
660_0015
660_0034
660_0039
660_0042
660_0047
660_0054
660_0061
660_0063
660_0073
660_0085
660_0086
This is the order in which the payment was completed first among the ones that can be sent right away in July.
(Two people were excluded from the list above due to a problem with the order.)
We will update you if there is anything new.
The following list will be sent out in July.
660_0001
660_0003
660_0004
660_0006
660_0007
660_0009
660_0010
660_0011
660_0015
660_0034
660_0039
660_0042
660_0047
660_0054
660_0061
660_0063
660_0073
660_0085
660_0086
This is the order in which the payment was completed first among the ones that can be sent right away in July.
(Two people were excluded from the list above due to a problem with the order.)
We will update you if there is anything new.
Any updates, pictures, etc would be greatly appreciated by all!
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The following list will be sent out in July.
660_0001
660_0003
660_0004
660_0006
660_0007
660_0009
660_0010
660_0011
660_0015
660_0034
660_0039
660_0042
660_0047
660_0054
660_0061
660_0063
660_0073
660_0085
660_0086
This is the order in which the payment was completed first among the ones that can be sent right away in July.
(Two people were excluded from the list above due to a problem with the order.)
We will update you if there is anything new.
Any updates, pictures, etc would be greatly appreciated by all!
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Be patient bro, you're lucky to be in the first batch. It is only 4 days into July. As he stated, he'll give you an update as it comes.
Hello, I'm Chan Min Kang
The update is later than expected. I'm so sorry.
Now we are in the producting of the keyboard.
It's being produced sequentially, and here's the picture.
...
30 june 2020
i got some email notification from him that my package was shipped.
but its only the spring for testing.
my question is, if he sent only the spring, why he must upload the shipping number in PP? so he can get the money earlier?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UQhlkut.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rrws9tG.jpg)
30 june 2020
i got some email notification from him that my package was shipped.
but its only the spring for testing.
my question is, if he sent only the spring, why he must upload the shipping number in PP? so he can get the money earlier?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UQhlkut.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rrws9tG.jpg)
30 june 2020
i got some email notification from him that my package was shipped.
but its only the spring for testing.
my question is, if he sent only the spring, why he must upload the shipping number in PP? so he can get the money earlier?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UQhlkut.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rrws9tG.jpg)
Hmm.. I'm wondering why he "randomly" selected only 9 people. Mind if I ask where you're located?
I don't mind delays as long as the guy is transparent and the keyboard arrives at some point (at least before I die) :-[
The following list will be sent out in July.
660_0001
660_0003
660_0004
660_0006
660_0007
660_0009
660_0010
660_0011
660_0015
660_0034
660_0039
660_0042
660_0047
660_0054
660_0061
660_0063
660_0073
660_0085
660_0086
This is the order in which the payment was completed first among the ones that can be sent right away in July.
(Two people were excluded from the list above due to a problem with the order.)
We will update you if there is anything new.
Any updates, pictures, etc would be greatly appreciated by all!
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Be patient bro, you're lucky to be in the first batch. It is only 4 days into July. As he stated, he'll give you an update as it comes.
I was a part of the June 30th spring shipment “random” group. I did think it was weird at the time. Why do I need springs if I don’t even have the keyboard yet to make use of my switches???
I did get a tracking number for the springs but they have been in US Customs in Chicago since July 6th.
I write for the buyers
in Korean, MR.Kang aka kkingkkong is famous for being a LIAR.
He often broke his promises and had frequent delays.
So, Koreans never believe him currently.
I am also a new comer. And this is my first group buy. I asked Chanming several questions via email before and after I joined the group buy. He can constantly get back to me in 2 days. Plus, he is providing evidences to prove that he is doing his best. I think he is doing fine so far. But please keep updating us all. I think communication is key of doing business.
And for the one who spoke badly about Chanming, please give us evidence to support your accusations
I might be the minority here but I feel like the "I got the keyboard for the fast shipping" isn't a valid argument because there was literally zero guarantee that you would even be in the first 20 paid orders to get the fast shipping. All of us paid before knowing if we were going to be in the early shipping group or not.I totally agree, maybe I don't express myself correctly, my English is very bad.
Delays suck, but they happen. So far the updates have been a little slow but the "content" of these updates is fine to me. Maybe it's just that I do my best to just forget about a group buy until it ships because I've read a bunch of stories about long delays on previous ones? This was my first one for a board so while I'm eager to get it, I'd rather wait a bit extra to make sure it shows up in the right condition.
No, I didn't get a tracking number or anything to say it had been shipped. I was surprised when it showed up yesterday.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200802/c2535ffa3cab65e8413270b358bf9643.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200802/0b8cfb062a50523fe181eaa60950616e.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200802/f0bc6235fe877cbd0c5a1bf91e6159a0.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200802/d0ab93fcbd2d5762d25e9fd6c014cfc3.jpg)
Hello, we are informing about the delivery.
We started the shipping process for colors that are pre-made and can be sent immediately.
The new anodized color will be shipped soon (early August).
Some time delays may occur in the process of using a shipping specialist, but we will update it as often as possible.
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It is finally the first shipment!
The products are sent to the company in charge for overseas shipping. It will probably be received within 2 days and boarding on the flight.
We started the shipping process for colors that are pre-made and can be sent immediately.
The new anodized color will be shipped soon (early August).
I don’t think that’s his fault, also the shipping was said to be in September unless you were one of the lucky ones to get the board earlier. He’s fine on his timeline but we just need more clarity about local and international orders thats all.
Hello, we are informing about the delivery.
We started the shipping process for colors that are pre-made and can be sent immediately.
The new anodized color will be shipped soon (early August).
Some time delays may occur in the process of using a shipping specialist, but we will update it as often as possible.
Hi chanmin I think the folks here would appreciate a simple answer, have the first 20 orders shipped? Thanks!
The first 20 orders are in the shipping process.
I know this doesn't quite contribute to the discussion, but I have to say the combination oversharing, ambiguity, and excuse making here is unfortunately quite disconcerting.
Crossing my fingers.
Well, we'll see whether or not this turns out to be fine or a complete disaster. Either way their reputation is getting affected by their dismissive behavior and lack of response. Not providing a tracking label for the early 20 is really suspicious and is a sign of how unorganized they are. Hopefully they do uphold their end of the group buy
No, I didn't get a tracking number or anything to say it had been shipped. I was surprised when it showed up yesterday.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200802/c2535ffa3cab65e8413270b358bf9643.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200802/0b8cfb062a50523fe181eaa60950616e.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200802/f0bc6235fe877cbd0c5a1bf91e6159a0.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200802/d0ab93fcbd2d5762d25e9fd6c014cfc3.jpg)
for anyone not on discord
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Cake08/07/2020
Any updates here? Do you think you can at least update the PayPal invoice with the tracking number for the first 20 orders?
I think people are getting anxious since nobody has received tracking numbers, which is a normal GB practice
ㄲㅣㅇㄲㅗㅇWORKS08/07/2020
The tracking number of all products has not been issued yet.
Some are still being processed by the shipping center.
The delivery company depends on the destination country.
For example, it is delivered using SF Express in China, EMS in Canada, and DHL in Spain.
The work is being processed sequentially, and we have two tracking numbers and two unique numbers per keyboard because of the use of the shipping agency.
It will be updated from Monday because we need time to process it.
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Cannot wait to build it
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I just received my tracking number!!
I think I am 3rd on the list for first 20, and I have heard nothing. Not really worried too much but I doubt it is shipped sequentially.
The following list will be sent out in July.
660_0001
660_0003
660_0004
660_0006
660_0007
660_0009
660_0010
660_0011
660_0015
660_0034
660_0039
660_0042
660_0047
660_0054
660_0061
660_0063
660_0073
660_0085
660_0086
660_0011Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200810/dce82e159837b15fd16bc42eecb63e9c.jpg)Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200810/818330255a943a38e58353b010b0f332.jpg)
Cannot wait to build it
從我的iPhone使用Tapatalk 發送I just received my tracking number!!
Good luck! Do you mind sharing which order number you were? Chammin indicated that orders would be processed sequentially.
Also really looking forward to seeing builds complete here and some sound tests if possible.
This GB has only been over for less than two months, you guys will get your boards, just be patient.
This GB has only been over for less than two months, you guys will get your boards, just be patient.
Again frostfiree you are seeming to forget the explicit initial communication in this group buy that the first 20 in stock anodized boards would ship 2 weeks after GB close, with still no direct communication to the recipient that they have or will be shipped soon. I doubt anyone currently concerned with the whereabouts of their boards right now are outside of that group of 20.
Yes, most GBs it would be unusual for folks to ask about their boards within 2 months of close, but most GBs don't also include this promise for early delivery of first 20 orders. Whether it would be advisable or not, it's also probably fair to assume some people are solely in this GB as a result of that commitment, and as a result safe to assume that was expected and part of the reasoning of its communication in the first place.
This GB has only been over for less than two months, you guys will get your boards, just be patient.
Again frostfiree you are seeming to forget the explicit initial communication in this group buy that the first 20 in stock anodized boards would ship 2 weeks after GB close, with still no direct communication to the recipient that they have or will be shipped soon. I doubt anyone currently concerned with the whereabouts of their boards right now are outside of that group of 20.
Yes, most GBs it would be unusual for folks to ask about their boards within 2 months of close, but most GBs don't also include this promise for early delivery of first 20 orders. Whether it would be advisable or not, it's also probably fair to assume some people are solely in this GB as a result of that commitment, and as a result safe to assume that was expected and part of the reasoning of its communication in the first place.
It is also safe to assume that because in such a niche hobby and industry, there can be very significant delays. GB runners, especially newer ones, may overpromise or underestimate the time it takes to process and get orders shipped out even for a board that was finished in advance. Of course, as a runner, they can be more communicative, I understand that. But also as a buyer, we need to understand that GB runners are real people with real commitments outside of the hobby. If I remember correctly, we all entered this GB knowing that it was a preorder, so for the runner to even offer 20 boards early is a blessing.
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t was taken at the factory yesterday. It is currently being produced.
If you are in your early twenties, please send us an email and we will inform you of the current progress. (kkingkkongworks@gmail.com)
If you are in your early twenties, please send us an email and we will inform you of the current progress. (kkingkkongworks@gmail.com)
If you are in your early twenties, please send us an email and we will inform you of the current progress. (kkingkkongworks@gmail.com)
I just sent an email, because I'm in the first 20 group! (why i need to post in the thread as well, who knows... but visibility is never a bad thing at this point)
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Production Update-(Not sandblasted yet)
Hello, I apologize for the delay in the update.
To put it to the point, we can't use the office right now.
The continued heavy rain has flooded the office recently.Show Image(https://i.postimg.cc/1RNcRktm/fld1.jpg)Show Image(https://i.postimg.cc/s2kxTNRm/fld2.jpg)
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So how about tracking codes for the boards already shipped...?
So how about tracking codes for the boards already shipped...?
Yeah, not sure why it takes so long to get tracking information for those boards that have shipped.
There are only 20 boards to be shipped initially, it really shouldn't be that difficult to come out and say how many of those 20 boards are shipped, and which ones still need to be packaged/shipped...
The order numbers were all posted previously as well::blank:
- 660_0001
- 660_0003
- 660_0004
- 660_0006
- 660_0007
- 660_0009
- 660_0010
- 660_0011
- 660_0015
- 660_0034
- 660_0039
- 660_0042
- 660_0047
- 660_0054
- 660_0061
- 660_0063
- 660_0073
- 660_0085
- 660_0086
Wish I was made aware of the 660 curse sooner :p
I mean I'm thinking I'll get this keyboard in a few months but this group buy make me uncomfortable at times.
Wish I was made aware of the 660 curse sooner :p
I mean I'm thinking I'll get this keyboard in a few months but this group buy make me uncomfortable at times.
I too was part of the owl660 buy that ended up with the guy running with our money. But needless to say I’ve been following this thread closely.
Wish I was made aware of the 660 curse sooner :p
I mean I'm thinking I'll get this keyboard in a few months but this group buy make me uncomfortable at times.
I too was part of the owl660 buy that ended up with the guy running with our money. But needless to say I’ve been following this thread closely.
Did you ever get a refund or anything? This is my first gb and after reading through the thread ive been a bit uneasy but when i looked at the other gb from this company/person it seems like its been smooth sailing so idk what to think
I too was part of the owl660 buy that ended up with the guy running with our money. But needless to say I’ve been following this thread closely.
Owl660 gang!Wish I was made aware of the 660 curse sooner :p
I mean I'm thinking I'll get this keyboard in a few months but this group buy make me uncomfortable at times.
I too was part of the owl660 buy that ended up with the guy running with our money. But needless to say I’ve been following this thread closely.
KKKK.works Korean group Buy has already exploded.
Many users are angry.
To postpone or lie in disguise as an excuse.
Many complaints are pouring out from the Korean community.
However, he has been making excuses for months without solving the problem.
We sent DGL Spring first for 13 people out of 660 keyboard orders.
While waiting to receive the keyboard, it was a small secret event that gave some randomly chosen people something to enjoy.
Did you know that we sent those springs to EMS or UPS? We paid about $20 to 40 dollars per person to ship a five-dollar spring to one set.
We sent it to 13 people, and we spent about 600 dollars on this alone.
If you were sent springs and your original order was marked fulfilled, this would point to him having his funds On Hold with PayPal. PayPal requires courier tracking to update to 'delivered' before they release funds.So would paypal have released the funds for the 13 people who were sent springs?
30 june 2020
i got some email notification from him that my package was shipped.
but its only the spring for testing.
my question is, if he sent only the spring, why he must upload the shipping number in PP? so he can get the money earlier?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UQhlkut.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rrws9tG.jpg)
That's definitely very shady business practice. I'm getting kinda worried
30 june 2020
i got some email notification from him that my package was shipped.
but its only the spring for testing.
my question is, if he sent only the spring, why he must upload the shipping number in PP? so he can get the money earlier?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UQhlkut.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rrws9tG.jpg)
This was pointed out already as highly suspicious, and I agree it's very shady. It points to both releasing funds early and lack of 20 boards in stock as promised.
Little did most people know. Chanmin is running two GBs at the same time. ( https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106344.50 )
If you check his replies, he used the same pictures regarding the sandblasting process in both threads. Nothing wrong with that in particular, but given the circumstances, this may affect feelings for some of the investors. Especially those that were part of the "lucky 20" orders.
iabosi Today at 1:02 PM
here we are, still with no explanation
and supposed to believe that boards are just sitting at a shipping agency for over a month
ㄲㅣㅇㄲㅗㅇWORKS Today at 1:03 PM
No. Please wait a moment. This is before uploading the current contents.
We have collected all of our shipments from the shipping agent and will be sending them all back within the next week. We are currently organizing related content.
There is a sequence of processing. Currently, it is 2am in Korea. The reason I'm still awake is to solve the unprocessed stuff.
Three days in the week, time to get some tracking imo.
At this point they are going to ship with the rest of the boards, we see he is putting in the work even if the "early boards" ship this week or next week they will get to you around the date he stated they would get to us by.Chanmin cannot deliver 20 in stock boards he claims exist already.
At this point they are going to ship with the rest of the boards, we see he is putting in the work even if the "early boards" ship this week or next week they will get to you around the date he stated they would get to us by.Chanmin cannot deliver 20 in stock boards he claims exist already.
If I were normal GB participant I would be even more worried.
At this point they are going to ship with the rest of the boards, we see he is putting in the work even if the "early boards" ship this week or next week they will get to you around the date he stated they would get to us by.Chanmin cannot deliver 20 in stock boards he claims exist already.
If I were normal GB participant I would be even more worried.
I'm not. If he has lied about anything, I think it would be the 20 first items not the rest of it
I am pretty sure everything about the first 20 was all about getting early funds to pay for whatever he wanted to pay for it to get things rolling (I am speculating obviously).
So the failure with the first shipping agency is all a lie or a distraction.
I would never look at any of his future GB’s, needless to say.
I am pretty sure everything about the first 20 was all about getting early funds to pay for whatever he wanted to pay for it to get things rolling (I am speculating obviously).
So the failure with the first shipping agency is all a lie or a distraction.
I would never look at any of his future GB’s, needless to say.
I don't think its speculation. It's pretty obvious that he wanted to get quick funding by offering boards that were "ready to ship" and then attached tracking for springs on some of those orders so the funds would be released. I'm glad I backed out of this GB.
I am pretty sure everything about the first 20 was all about getting early funds to pay for whatever he wanted to pay for it to get things rolling (I am speculating obviously).
So the failure with the first shipping agency is all a lie or a distraction.
I would never look at any of his future GB’s, needless to say.
I don't think its speculation. It's pretty obvious that he wanted to get quick funding by offering boards that were "ready to ship" and then attached tracking for springs on some of those orders so the funds would be released. I'm glad I backed out of this GB.
I am one of the first 20, I had emailed two weeks ago saying if I didn't get shipment notification by today, I'd ask for a refund and I have gotten zero response. I'd rather give him the chance to refund before opening a dispute, but I am not going to give him long. I'm tired of being lied to and jerked around as one of the people who were promised their board would ship months ago. I'm sure not if it's negligence or malice, but they have shown a complete lack of care for their customers. Good luck everyone, I hope you get a board someday and enjoy it.
However, there was a problem with the length of the delivery period and the problem with the delivery agency in Korea.
We promise. we will finish sending the first 20 keyboards within next week, which is the most urgent task at the moment.
We will take responsibility for this remark.
First, let me tell you about the current schedule.
1. The first 20 keyboards will all be shipped within the next week.
Sandblast : Beginning September 13th ~ Completed on September 20th
Anodizing : Beginning September 21st ~ Completed on September 27th (Approximately one week expected.)
Cerakote : September 21st~
QC : 2 Days
Packaging and Sequential Shipment Complete : By October 5
The following list will be sent out in July.
660_0001
660_0003
660_0004
660_0006
660_0007
660_0009
660_0010
660_0011
660_0015
660_0034
660_0039
660_0042
660_0047
660_0054
660_0061
660_0063
660_0073
660_0085
660_0086
This is the order in which the payment was completed first among the ones that can be sent right away in July.
(Two people were excluded from the list above due to a problem with the order.)
We will update you if there is anything new.
Any updates, pictures, etc would be greatly appreciated by all!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Be patient bro, you're lucky to be in the first batch. It is only 4 days into July. As he stated, he'll give you an update as it comes.
I mean, I'd rather be over-updated then not?
Chanmin said early bird boards would go out July 1st and there hasn't been confirmation of that happening despite seeing finished cases, PCB's and plates in May based on the IC thread. The board was also sold on their website to Korean buyers before the GH GB (https://kkkk.works/gb/?board_name=commerce_product&order_by=fn_product_rank1&order_type=desc&vid=4 (https://kkkk.works/gb/?board_name=commerce_product&order_by=fn_product_rank1&order_type=desc&vid=4)) and gave a delivery time of 2-3 days from purchase - Do we know if anyone in KR has received a board?
We promise. we will finish sending the first 20 keyboards within next week, which is the most urgent task at the moment.
We will take responsibility for this remark.
First, let me tell you about the current schedule.
1. The first 20 keyboards will all be shipped within the next week.
^ What about this?
There's no mention of the "completed" 20 boards in the update.
Cause as of what we know now, the boards are in the final stage of production, and will be shipped out early October.
We're also still well within paypal's time limit for disputes.
If it wasn't for the 20 boards they claimed they would ship out just a week or 2 after the GB ended this entire thing would've seemingly gone smoothly.
As for why the 20 early birds haven't issued a refund yet, I dunno :-\ My guess would be that they just really want a 660 board
It's pretty clear they just sold the 20 boards they pre-produced locally, I cant think of any other reason why they would just straight up refuse to ship them out.
If Oct 5th comes around and the boards still haven't shipped out nor have we received timestamped pictures and a very good reason for the delay I think everyone including those outside of the first 20 should be issuing disputes with paypal asap.
Sandblast : Beginning September 13th ~ Completed on September 20th
Anodizing : Beginning September 21st ~ Completed on September 27th (Approximately one week expected.)
Cerakote : September 21st~
QC : 2 Days
Packaging and Sequential Shipment Complete : By October 5
First of all, I apologize for the late delivery schedule.
After we shipped the spring, we tried to find a suitable carrier.
In the case of EMS, there was a lot of loss and return, and we found a shipping agent to replace it.
However, there was a problem with the length of the delivery period and the problem with the delivery agency in Korea.
In the end, we aimed to deliver it safely, even if it took longer.
Initially, only 30 units were going to be sold on the marketplace. (silver, black, red color)
However, due to the large number of requests, we increased the production quantity, and although the period was sufficient at first, the processing and post-processing schedule was delayed due to problems with the delivery company and covid-19.
Currently, we have received the above schedule from the company, and although it was difficult because it was our first time to control a large quantity, we think it will be completed within the schedule written above.
We will do our best to repay you with good quality products.
I have opened a dispute. I know some of you guys are concerned about if we all get refunded, he wont be able to finish this group buy. But it seems that he is in financial trouble and in debt. What if he applies for bankruptcy and we cannot even collect our money back. (I am not a finance expert). This guy is sus as hell.So iirc if his company files for bankruptcy and he is unable to refund the payment, you should be able to get a refund from paypal through buyer protection if you meet all their criteria.
Extracted from his Discord. The claims of bankruptcy are not unfounded.
ㄲㅣㅇㄲㅗㅇWORKS09/04/2020
No. Please wait a moment. This is before uploading the current contents.
We have collected all of our shipments from the shipping agent and will be sending them all back within the next week. We are currently organizing related content.
There is a sequence of processing. Currently, it is 2am in Korea. The reason I'm still awake is to solve the unprocessed stuff.
ㄲㅣㅇㄲㅗㅇWORKS09/04/2020
Yes. I know we are really much late. I am really sorry. There are many reasons, but rather than such excuses, we will try to resolve them quickly.
ㄲㅣㅇㄲㅗㅇWORKS09/04/2020
The reason we had to take out additional loans is because the trial was delayed due to covid-19. Unfortunately, we can't reveal details of the lawsuit.
But we hired an attorney to do everything we could.'
ㄲㅣㅇㄲㅗㅇWORKS09/04/2020
This is a photographic material for claiming damage compensation. Almost all wooden furniture was damaged by flooding. :man_facepalming:
This is an evidence photo for requesting damage compensation. Almost all wooden furniture was damaged by flooding.
+++++++++++++++++++++
I've asked if the production of boards are on track and if they will be produced regardless of the situation above which he has not responded. However he did share pictures on 15 Sep of some boards being produced (which addition questions as to when were this taken).
The whole process is sketchy and many allegations have been thrown.
On balance, yes delays of such nature is pretty common in GBs and particularly so in Covid times. However, his communication of the process with additional issues, and not updating on the initial 20 pieces as communicated in the GB post. To add fuel to this whole issue, he appears to not be in the healthiest of financial situation given (i) trial, (ii) requiring loans for said trial, (iii) damage of his property and (iv) not updating on the source of his working capital in the interim period.
I mean, imho, only those among the first 20 should perhaps consider a dispute. It all seems bit weird, the things going on, we can't deny that, but I've seen much worse things in GB's and it's certainly not 6 months yet.
Yeah that makes sense.I mean, imho, only those among the first 20 should perhaps consider a dispute. It all seems bit weird, the things going on, we can't deny that, but I've seen much worse things in GB's and it's certainly not 6 months yet.
I filed a dispute because of the springs he sent, he put them in PayPal as if he sent the keyboard when he could've just sent an email apart giving us the tracking number through there. And I am certainly not confident enough that I will be getting a board soon or at all so yea.
But after going in on the Owl660 two years ago I'm just not keen on getting scammed again for another 660 layout board from a relatively new maker, ;D
I am part of the first 20 he has defrauded. I am trying to open a dispute on Paypal but because Chamin has fraudulently claimed I received the product, I am not able to dispute "product not received". Others who went through this process, can you provide guidance?
I am part of the first 20 he has defrauded. I am trying to open a dispute on Paypal but because Chamin has fraudulently claimed I received the product, I am not able to dispute "product not received". Others who went through this process, can you provide guidance?
You can open a dispute for product not as advertised.
Maybe if we say his name enough times he'll magically appear, like a genie!
CHANMIN KANG
CHANMIN KANG
CHANMIN KANG
Maybe if we say his name enough times he'll magically appear, like a genie!
CHANMIN KANG
CHANMIN KANG
CHANMIN KANG
He disappeared instead :0
Maybe if we say his name enough times he'll magically appear, like a genie!
CHANMIN KANG
CHANMIN KANG
CHANMIN KANG
He disappeared instead :0
LMAO. Ya'll killing me.
Maybe if we say his name enough times he'll magically appear, like a genie!
CHANMIN KANG
CHANMIN KANG
CHANMIN KANG
He disappeared instead :0
LMAO. Ya'll killing me.
For real though if I had lots of people opening disputes and stuff I would go out and say something but we haven't got anything in over a week smh
I don't see enough reason to submit a dispute if you were not sent springs unexpectedly or part of first 20...yetMaybe if we say his name enough times he'll magically appear, like a genie!
CHANMIN KANG
CHANMIN KANG
CHANMIN KANG
He disappeared instead :0
LMAO. Ya'll killing me.
For real though if I had lots of people opening disputes and stuff I would go out and say something but we haven't got anything in over a week smh
What about ppl who were not in the first 20..? How do we open a dispute? On what grounds? I had an uneasy feeling going into this GB, but I convinced myself otherwise.. what a shame.. would’ve been a decent keyboard if made
The spread of COVID-19 virus and the ongoing efforts to contain it has significantly impacted commerce across the world. PayPal recognizes there is a potential for delayed shipments and increased shipping timeframes, globally. We appreciate your patience during this time and recommend that you communicate directly with your seller to discuss options around your purchase and shipment prior to filing a claim. You’ll have 180 days from the date of your transaction to file a PayPal Purchase Protection claim.
I don't see enough reason to submit a dispute if you were not sent springs unexpectedly or part of first 20...yet
I don't see enough reason to submit a dispute if you were not sent springs unexpectedly or part of first 20...yet
I beg to differ. I think the springs just give the first 20 people more of a reason to start a dispute. I really don't mind waiting as I've stayed relatively quiet for the past few months, but I've lost my confidence in Chanmin's ability to deliver.
I hate to sound like a broken broken record, but I find the lack of communication + all the lies pretty baffling.
Too many things don't add up.... He claims the cerakote work was started on his post from 9/11/2020, but how do we know the picture he posted isn't of the keyboard he used for the sound test video in the original post? Plus why would he waste money on adding the cerakote finish on one set as I'm sure there was probably more than one order with blue cerakote.
There's no reason to lie. All of us here are reasonable people and can understand delays as long as they are communicated well.
Granted, we're all in this together and I hope everything turns out okay (whether people get their keyboard or the refund they requested).
I don't see enough reason to submit a dispute if you were not sent springs unexpectedly or part of first 20...yet
I beg to differ. I think the springs just give the first 20 people more of a reason to start a dispute. I really don't mind waiting as I've stayed relatively quiet for the past few months, but I've lost my confidence in Chanmin's ability to deliver.
I hate to sound like a broken broken record, but I find the lack of communication + all the lies pretty baffling.
Too many things don't add up.... He claims the cerakote work was started on his post from 9/11/2020, but how do we know the picture he posted isn't of the keyboard he used for the sound test video in the original post? Plus why would he waste money on adding the cerakote finish on one set as I'm sure there was probably more than one order with blue cerakote.
There's no reason to lie. All of us here are reasonable people and can understand delays as long as they are communicated well.
Granted, we're all in this together and I hope everything turns out okay (whether people get their keyboard or the refund they requested).
I think you read his statement wrong. He meant that unless you were part of the first 20 or were sent the unexpected springs, then you should not start a dispute just yet.
I was gonna wait, but then I read through the Owl 660 GB and nah, bro. I opened a dispute now, and will wait till the escalation deadline to escalate.
During that time I will send as many e-mails as I need to to get a response from Chanmin who is MIA during a critical time that REQUIRES HIM TO BE HERE.
I write for the buyers
in Korean, MR.Kang aka kkingkkong is famous for being a LIAR.
He often broke his promises and had frequent delays.
So, Koreans never believe him currently.
RAINY SEASON? LIE.
It is true that Korea is in the rainy season, but there are few days when it actually rains.
There wasn't much rain to delay.
IN FACT, it is just laziness.
I was a buyer of his kbd, and I had been disappointed a lot with his lies.
Chanmin straight up disappeared lol
All 66% are cursed.
I'll just make my own
Chanmin straight up disappeared lol
What do you mean disappeared? He just posted in his other GB thread, https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106344.50
This was literally 4 hours ago. He's just straight up ignoring you guysShow Image(https://media2.giphy.com/media/yt9DTQeflOUA8/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e470dq299095q1ziyof954ws7hknh9xhz9x38tvhsv6&rid=giphy.gif)
Hello bro´s!!not sus at all...
I have not been here for a long time, I am one of the first 20, I received mine as I already told you without any notice.
I follow the thread without wanting to put pressure.
If everything that Chaming has told is true, please, don't let him buy the lottery and bet money, the poor man is the most unlucky person I know.
I understand all the positions, especially the first 20 who still did not receive it and ventured to buy it to have it soon, I think Chaming has gotten tired of answering without having a clear answer, at first he answered my emails and questions by email, then it was difficult to contact him.
Do not lose hope, as I saw previously, he had problems with water and later with mechanization, perhaps he is waiting to give an answer once the whole process is correct.
you all know how these group buys work, you have Paypal as a backup in a future problem.
greetings to everyone from Spain
Guys, or maybe he just straight up used the cheapest shipping option without the tracking(which there is no tracking info and might be easy to get lost).. And now he's disappeared beacuse we scared the **** out of him. This is the most possible scenario imo.
I made a discord channel if anyone is open to the idea of pooling information for the claims.
I won't be filing mine for another week, but I would rather be safe than sorry.
https://discord.gg/47TmgM
i guess we could put this in the same category as mech27
i guess we could put this in the same category as mech27
Really? I ve seen some mech27 around some meetups iirc.. that failed too ?
someone that got refund can tell me if you manually elevated dispute to PayPal? there's a message saying that if case doesn't get resolved it will close itself automatically in October 19th
Hello. The work that was delayed due to the holiday period is being completed, and the work is scheduled to be completed by next week and then shipped after next week.
Hello. The work that was delayed due to the holiday period is being completed, and the work is scheduled to be completed by next week and then shipped after next week.
Hello. The work that was delayed due to the holiday period is being completed, and the work is scheduled to be completed by next week and then shipped after next week.
Does this include the boards for the first 20 buyers?
Does this include cerakoted boards?
Hello. The work that was delayed due to the holiday period is being completed, and the work is scheduled to be completed by next week and then shipped after next week.
Looking forward to your update today on the completion of the boards.Does this include the boards for the first 20 buyers?
Does this include cerakoted boards?
Any chance you would care to answer these questions?
I want to make mention of something here: it does not sit well that the springs that were sent early to buyers for "early review" were placed in the shipment line for tracking on the invoice. It also does not sit well that the tracking number of my package does not match the tracking number placed inside of the PayPal invoice. I think it's dishonest to mark the invoice shipped days after payment for a minor item in a larger project. It also requires an explanation to case investigators should someone seek to file a dispute claim.
I petition that marking early shipments of minor items on a major order on PayPal invoices is, moving forward, a flag for review. This is not buyer-centric and highly sus'.
I want to make mention of something here: it does not sit well that the springs that were sent early to buyers for "early review" were placed in the shipment line for tracking on the invoice. It also does not sit well that the tracking number of my package does not match the tracking number placed inside of the PayPal invoice. I think it's dishonest to mark the invoice shipped days after payment for a minor item in a larger project. It also requires an explanation to case investigators should someone seek to file a dispute claim.
I petition that marking early shipments of minor items on a major order on PayPal invoices is, moving forward, a flag for review. This is not buyer-centric and highly sus'.
And yet people are lining up to buy extras. Vote with your wallets, this hobby is never going to improve if we continue to encourage and fund shady GBs like this.
Anyone in the discord have an update?
hey guys, if you are one of the people that received a spring sample, opened a dispute, and then chanmin attached tracking of the springs to the claim case to win: Please call paypal customer support and re-dispute. I just got off the phone with a customer service rep, you will need to reopen a "Signficantly Not As Described" Claim. He just tried to do this to me but I had my dispute swapped over ezpz. This one will be much easier to win. Good luck.
Hey guys, I posted this in the discord, but I assume some of you aren't there:Quotehey guys, if you are one of the people that received a spring sample, opened a dispute, and then chanmin attached tracking of the springs to the claim case to win: Please call paypal customer support and re-dispute. I just got off the phone with a customer service rep, you will need to reopen a "Signficantly Not As Described" Claim. He just tried to do this to me but I had my dispute swapped over ezpz. This one will be much easier to win. Good luck.
I would also recommend when you talk to a customer service rep you make note of Chanmin's highly fraudulent, unethical behavior. It is likely that after so many disputes and customer complaints for him to be banned from Paypal as a merchant.
Chanmin, all you had to do was respond to my dispute with tracking information for the two keyboards I ordered. You have said boards would be ready to ship twice in the past few weeks, but instead you responded to my dispute with tracking for the springs that were sent in July. **** you, man.
After escalating it with paypal even though I was 181 day after the purchase they have refunded my money.
Chanmin has apparently started another GB in Korea before shipping any 660's or DGL TKL's:Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/763983018820894720/784292223621136414/Screenshot_2020-12-04-16-36-45-129_com.discord.png)
The Kkingkkongworks site is also no longer accessible.
If you are yet to log a PayPal dispute, I would highly suggest doing so.
30 june 2020
i got some email notification from him that my package was shipped.
but its only the spring for testing.
my question is, if he sent only the spring, why he must upload the shipping number in PP? so he can get the money earlier?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UQhlkut.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rrws9tG.jpg)
Remember how some people were up in arms against the "normies" who saw these warning signs and dipped before it was too late?
I do. Where there's smoke, there's fire. Glad many of us acted fast and got out.
Approved :thumb:Will this person be prevented from running a GB in the future, Hoffman?
I can't believe this is even still going on. I would have thought that everyone would have gotten out of this group buy by now!