Author Topic: [IC] QCP (Mini 1800) (Read 29851 times)

crowKAKAWWW · « **Reply #100 on:** Wed, 23 January 2019, 12:31:19 »

Count me in

dimo · « **Reply #101 on:** Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:23:46 »

I thought this got cancelled?

clik_clak · « **Reply #102 on:** Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:29:30 »

Quote from: Zytyx on Sat, 19 January 2019, 13:36:47

Quantik said on the mk reddit discord they wouldn't be doing it because their manufacturer got leaked and prices would be too high.

Can someone explain to me how knowing the manufacturer of a board would increase its price? I can't wrap my head around that.

clasicks · « **Reply #103 on:** Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:32:06 »

Quote from: clik_clak on Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:29:30

Quote from: Zytyx on Sat, 19 January 2019, 13:36:47
Quantik said on the mk reddit discord they wouldn't be doing it because their manufacturer got leaked and prices would be too high.

Can someone explain to me how knowing the manufacturer of a board would increase its price? I can't wrap my head around that.

Factory made dope boards, factory revealed it was the one who made dope boards, factory increases price with the prior good product as example, more people use said factory, repeat. Also I think prices have been rising across the board due to regulations being stricter and more enforcement overseas.

clik_clak · « **Reply #104 on:** Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:34:30 »

Quote from: KeyboardUser4 on Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:32:06

Quote from: clik_clak on Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:29:30
Quote from: Zytyx on Sat, 19 January 2019, 13:36:47
Quantik said on the mk reddit discord they wouldn't be doing it because their manufacturer got leaked and prices would be too high.

Can someone explain to me how knowing the manufacturer of a board would increase its price? I can't wrap my head around that.

Factory made dope boards, factory revealed it was the one who made dope boards, factory increases price with the prior good product as example, more people use said factory, repeat.

Thank you

clasicks · « **Reply #105 on:** Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:37:20 »

Quote from: clik_clak on Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:34:30

Quote from: KeyboardUser4 on Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:32:06
Quote from: clik_clak on Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:29:30
Quote from: Zytyx on Sat, 19 January 2019, 13:36:47
Quantik said on the mk reddit discord they wouldn't be doing it because their manufacturer got leaked and prices would be too high.

Can someone explain to me how knowing the manufacturer of a board would increase its price? I can't wrap my head around that.

Factory made dope boards, factory revealed it was the one who made dope boards, factory increases price with the prior good product as example, more people use said factory, repeat.

Thank you

as always, take with grain of salt as I just hear this stuff secondhand.

snelltrail · « **Reply #106 on:** Wed, 23 January 2019, 14:23:38 »

If this has been cancelled / postponed indefinitely, it would we nice to get confirmation from Quantrik in the thread.

Until then, I choose to believe!

speaktobrett · « **Reply #107 on:** Mon, 11 February 2019, 18:42:13 »

I was told that Quantrik posted a link in a discord for a raffle.
Only 10 qcp's are available for the groupbuy, and all 10 people have been notified.

Disappointing that the link wasn't posted in this thread.

E.E.L. Ambiense · « **Reply #108 on:** Mon, 11 February 2019, 18:45:50 »

Sigh. Moving on.

snelltrail · « **Reply #109 on:** Mon, 11 February 2019, 20:21:01 »

Eurgh, really? Was hoping I'd at least have a chance for a spot. Hopefully someone else picks up on this idea and runs it at a bit larger scale!

katotaka · « **Reply #110 on:** Mon, 11 February 2019, 20:37:13 »

ohhhh...

I guess time to fire up CAD and make THAT into this layout and learn handwire

davisthegreat · « **Reply #111 on:** Tue, 12 February 2019, 00:00:51 »

if the price is right i'm in. This looks great. Hope it comes to GB

Starston3 · « **Reply #112 on:** Tue, 12 February 2019, 00:01:48 »

Quote from: davisthegreat on Tue, 12 February 2019, 00:00:51

if the price is right i'm in. This looks great. Hope it comes to GB

No gb.

It was a 10 spot raffle a few weeks back.

maximize · « **Reply #113 on:** Wed, 13 February 2019, 08:52:44 »

Quote from: speaktobrett on Mon, 11 February 2019, 18:42:13

I was told that Quantrik posted a link in a discord for a raffle.
Only 10 qcp's are available for the groupbuy, and all 10 people have been notified.

Disappointing that the link wasn't posted in this thread.

wow k thx quantrik

davisthegreat · « **Reply #114 on:** Sat, 16 February 2019, 20:34:04 »

i really hate that people do these open IC's but only do really small quantity GB's. I hope there is a larger R2

William_S_Jones · « **Reply #115 on:** Sat, 16 February 2019, 20:34:54 »

Quote from: davisthegreat on Sat, 16 February 2019, 20:34:04

i really hate that people do these open IC's but only do really small quantity GB's. I hope there is a larger R2

10-4, same here

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Ephemeral · « **Reply #116 on:** Sat, 16 February 2019, 21:57:36 »

Quote from: William_S_Jones on Sat, 16 February 2019, 20:34:54

Quote from: davisthegreat on Sat, 16 February 2019, 20:34:04
i really hate that people do these open IC's but only do really small quantity GB's. I hope there is a larger R2

10-4, same here

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For me its less that it was a small raffled GB and more that nothing popped up in this thread that it was happening. I would have at least liked a chance to win a spot even if I didn't.

packman86 · « **Reply #117 on:** Sun, 17 February 2019, 12:39:03 »

Quote from: Ephemeral on Sat, 16 February 2019, 21:57:36

Quote from: William_S_Jones on Sat, 16 February 2019, 20:34:54
Quote from: davisthegreat on Sat, 16 February 2019, 20:34:04
i really hate that people do these open IC's but only do really small quantity GB's. I hope there is a larger R2

10-4, same here

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For me its less that it was a small raffled GB and more that nothing popped up in this thread that it was happening. I would have at least liked a chance to win a spot even if I didn't.

Its almost like Quant hates people

Puddsy · « **Reply #118 on:** Sun, 17 February 2019, 15:48:26 »

in fairness to quant, private GBs are a LOT easier to manage than a public one

far less complaining

William_S_Jones · « **Reply #119 on:** Sun, 17 February 2019, 17:01:29 »

Quote from: Puddsy on Sun, 17 February 2019, 15:48:26

in fairness to quant, private GBs are a LOT easier to manage than a public one

far less complaining

Thanks, I still would've liked an opportunity to get one. BTW, will PM you about JTK caps before or by the end of the end.

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Pwner · « **Reply #120 on:** Sun, 17 February 2019, 17:07:55 »

Quote from: Puddsy on Sun, 17 February 2019, 15:48:26

in fairness to quant, private GBs are a LOT easier to manage than a public one

far less complaining

To add to this, when Quant started this thread he planned a full GB. Not every IC leads to that. Running QXP made him realize he didn't want to run such large GB's. I get that people maybe had their hopes up and are disappointed, but there are plenty of boards posted all the time. Find something else you like and move on, maybe he'll come back to this in the future.

Puddsy · « **Reply #121 on:** Sun, 17 February 2019, 23:32:28 »

Quote from: William_S_Jones on Sun, 17 February 2019, 17:01:29

Quote from: Puddsy on Sun, 17 February 2019, 15:48:26
in fairness to quant, private GBs are a LOT easier to manage than a public one

far less complaining
Thanks, I still would've liked an opportunity to get one. BTW, will PM you about JTK caps before or by the end of the end.

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you're not gonna like what i have to say but my inbox is open

Puddsy · « **Reply #122 on:** Sun, 17 February 2019, 23:32:52 »

Quote from: Pwner on Sun, 17 February 2019, 17:07:55

Quote from: Puddsy on Sun, 17 February 2019, 15:48:26
in fairness to quant, private GBs are a LOT easier to manage than a public one

far less complaining

To add to this, when Quant started this thread he planned a full GB. Not every IC leads to that. Running QXP made him realize he didn't want to run such large GB's. I get that people maybe had their hopes up and are disappointed, but there are plenty of boards posted all the time. Find something else you like and move on, maybe he'll come back to this in the future.

agree with pwner

krelbit's meme also had a similar situation

dimo · « **Reply #123 on:** Sun, 17 February 2019, 23:33:44 »

Quote from: Pwner on Sun, 17 February 2019, 17:07:55

Quote from: Puddsy on Sun, 17 February 2019, 15:48:26
in fairness to quant, private GBs are a LOT easier to manage than a public one

far less complaining

To add to this, when Quant started this thread he planned a full GB. Not every IC leads to that. Running QXP made him realize he didn't want to run such large GB's. I get that people maybe had their hopes up and are disappointed, but there are plenty of boards posted all the time. Find something else you like and move on, maybe he'll come back to this in the future.

Well couldn’t he at least tell us that?

Puddsy · « **Reply #124 on:** Sun, 17 February 2019, 23:35:01 »

Quote from: dimo on Sun, 17 February 2019, 23:33:44

Quote from: Pwner on Sun, 17 February 2019, 17:07:55
Quote from: Puddsy on Sun, 17 February 2019, 15:48:26
in fairness to quant, private GBs are a LOT easier to manage than a public one

far less complaining

To add to this, when Quant started this thread he planned a full GB. Not every IC leads to that. Running QXP made him realize he didn't want to run such large GB's. I get that people maybe had their hopes up and are disappointed, but there are plenty of boards posted all the time. Find something else you like and move on, maybe he'll come back to this in the future.

Well couldn’t he at least tell us that?

it's his design, he can do what he wants

that's basically what it boils down to

dimo · « **Reply #125 on:** Sun, 17 February 2019, 23:36:02 »

Quote from: Puddsy on Sun, 17 February 2019, 23:35:01

Quote from: dimo on Sun, 17 February 2019, 23:33:44
Quote from: Pwner on Sun, 17 February 2019, 17:07:55
Quote from: Puddsy on Sun, 17 February 2019, 15:48:26
in fairness to quant, private GBs are a LOT easier to manage than a public one

far less complaining

To add to this, when Quant started this thread he planned a full GB. Not every IC leads to that. Running QXP made him realize he didn't want to run such large GB's. I get that people maybe had their hopes up and are disappointed, but there are plenty of boards posted all the time. Find something else you like and move on, maybe he'll come back to this in the future.

Well couldn’t he at least tell us that?

it's his design, he can do what he wants

that's basically what it boils down to

If you treat everything in this hobby with that backwards mentality then there will be no progress and the custom community would die out to a small group of elites.

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dantambok · « **Reply #126 on:** Mon, 18 February 2019, 00:20:35 »

Quote from: dimo on Sun, 17 February 2019, 23:36:02

Quote from: Puddsy on Sun, 17 February 2019, 23:35:01
Quote from: dimo on Sun, 17 February 2019, 23:33:44
Quote from: Pwner on Sun, 17 February 2019, 17:07:55
Quote from: Puddsy on Sun, 17 February 2019, 15:48:26
in fairness to quant, private GBs are a LOT easier to manage than a public one

far less complaining

To add to this, when Quant started this thread he planned a full GB. Not every IC leads to that. Running QXP made him realize he didn't want to run such large GB's. I get that people maybe had their hopes up and are disappointed, but there are plenty of boards posted all the time. Find something else you like and move on, maybe he'll come back to this in the future.

Well couldn’t he at least tell us that?

it's his design, he can do what he wants

that's basically what it boils down to

If you treat everything in this hobby with that backwards mentality then there will be no progress and the custom community would die out to a small group of elites.

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What happened to the QXP probably changed his mind. I understand how hard it is to do a big group buy. Far less problems, less complains and less things to QC tho higher costs for small runs.

That being said.. Yes it's his design and he can do whatever he pleases. I like this layout, joined the raffle and also bummed that i did not win a slot, but that's life.

dimo · « **Reply #127 on:** Mon, 18 February 2019, 00:21:56 »

Quote from: dantambok on Mon, 18 February 2019, 00:20:35

Quote from: dimo on Sun, 17 February 2019, 23:36:02
Quote from: Puddsy on Sun, 17 February 2019, 23:35:01
Quote from: dimo on Sun, 17 February 2019, 23:33:44
Quote from: Pwner on Sun, 17 February 2019, 17:07:55
Quote from: Puddsy on Sun, 17 February 2019, 15:48:26
in fairness to quant, private GBs are a LOT easier to manage than a public one

far less complaining

To add to this, when Quant started this thread he planned a full GB. Not every IC leads to that. Running QXP made him realize he didn't want to run such large GB's. I get that people maybe had their hopes up and are disappointed, but there are plenty of boards posted all the time. Find something else you like and move on, maybe he'll come back to this in the future.

Well couldn’t he at least tell us that?

it's his design, he can do what he wants

that's basically what it boils down to

If you treat everything in this hobby with that backwards mentality then there will be no progress and the custom community would die out to a small group of elites.

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What happened to the QXP probably changed his mind. I understand how hard it is to do a big group buy. Far less problems, less complains and less things to QC tho higher costs for small runs.

That being said.. Yes it's his design and he can do whatever he pleases. I like this layout and also bummed that i did not win a slot, but that's life.

I understand that, since you just restated puddy’s comment and ignored my reply

dantambok · « **Reply #128 on:** Mon, 18 February 2019, 00:34:29 »

you could just design a board with this layout and run it yourself tho

) then make it a private run so you feel special

maximize · « **Reply #129 on:** Mon, 18 February 2019, 09:46:26 »

Quote from: dimo on Mon, 18 February 2019, 00:21:56

Quote from: dantambok on Mon, 18 February 2019, 00:20:35
Quote from: dimo on Sun, 17 February 2019, 23:36:02
Quote from: Puddsy on Sun, 17 February 2019, 23:35:01
Quote from: dimo on Sun, 17 February 2019, 23:33:44
Quote from: Pwner on Sun, 17 February 2019, 17:07:55
Quote from: Puddsy on Sun, 17 February 2019, 15:48:26
in fairness to quant, private GBs are a LOT easier to manage than a public one

far less complaining

To add to this, when Quant started this thread he planned a full GB. Not every IC leads to that. Running QXP made him realize he didn't want to run such large GB's. I get that people maybe had their hopes up and are disappointed, but there are plenty of boards posted all the time. Find something else you like and move on, maybe he'll come back to this in the future.

Well couldn’t he at least tell us that?

it's his design, he can do what he wants

that's basically what it boils down to

If you treat everything in this hobby with that backwards mentality then there will be no progress and the custom community would die out to a small group of elites.

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What happened to the QXP probably changed his mind. I understand how hard it is to do a big group buy. Far less problems, less complains and less things to QC tho higher costs for small runs.

That being said.. Yes it's his design and he can do whatever he pleases. I like this layout and also bummed that i did not win a slot, but that's life.

I understand that, since you just restated puddy’s comment and ignores my reply.

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Quantrik can absolutely run the GB however he wants, but communication is literally what this forum is all about, and he didn't say anything here. I'm also in agreement with dimo's sentiment about the elites here, who are naturally the ones excusing Quantrik's lack of communication. However, I don't think the community will ever get to a point where us peasants don't have any options.

oh_chesteroni · « **Reply #130 on:** Mon, 18 February 2019, 10:30:14 »

Puddsy, an elite? LUL.
He just learnt how to wipe his butt.

dimo · « **Reply #131 on:** Mon, 18 February 2019, 13:53:15 »

Quote from: dantambok on Mon, 18 February 2019, 00:34:29

you could just design a board with this layout and run it yourself tho ) then make it a private run so you feel special

Why are you being so hostile while ignoring literally every argument I've made. Instead resorting to sarcastically summarizing my entire reply as my desire to feel special like the rest of you elitists. I don't understand how you could reply to me twice while providing almost nothing to the conversation.

and why in the **** would I design a board and make a private run. That's exactly what I've been arguing against this entire damn time; you're just further embarrassing yourself as everything I'm saying seems to keep going over your head.

I could care less about this stupid drama, but I dropped in because your attitudes will not progress this community forward.

davisthegreat · « **Reply #132 on:** Mon, 18 February 2019, 15:06:33 »

in reference to all the comments about " it his design his GB" , "go find another board GB"... 1. high quality 1800/ 96 key boards aren't available frequently (why is that? - they seem to be in high demand) , yea you could go on a scavenger hunt on tao bao or in the marketplace forums but its still tough. 2. As was previously mentioned, communication is key, expectations would have been adjusted, as I have witnessed in many other IC's. Telling someone to run their own GB is counterproductive, most who have been in the community for any amount of time know that it is tough, and we also know that we are tough. Most reasonable GB participants just ask for communication. I've witnessed that Most issues and complaints on GB's come from lack of communication/ transparency.

dimo · « **Reply #133 on:** Mon, 18 February 2019, 15:09:55 »

Quote from: davisthegreat on Mon, 18 February 2019, 15:06:33

in reference to all the comments about " it his design his GB" , "go find another board GB"... 1. high quality 1800/ 96 key boards aren't available frequently (why is that? - they seem to be in high demand) , yea you could go on a scavenger hunt on tao bao or in the marketplace forums but its still tough. 2. As was previously mentioned, communication is key, expectations would have been adjusted, as I have witnessed in many other IC's. Telling someone to run their own GB is counterproductive, most who have been in the community for any amount of time know that it is tough, and we also know that we are tough. Most reasonable GB participants just ask for communication. I've witnessed that Most issues and complaints on GB's come from lack of communication/ transparency.

Exactly. All I asked from the start was one comment from Quantrik that could have cleared things up. That’s all..

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JPVann · « **Reply #134 on:** Mon, 18 February 2019, 22:22:38 »

Agreed. This is a public forum with a large following and a board layout that sparks a lot of interest. What did he THINK was gonna happen once he posted this? Not a fan of how this rolled out and wouldn't buy anything from him. Just my 2 cents.

dantambok · « **Reply #135 on:** Mon, 18 February 2019, 22:30:31 »

Maybe quant was just feeling lazy to submit a GB form lol

Theconejo · « **Reply #136 on:** Mon, 18 February 2019, 22:38:38 »

I think its hilarious u kids talking about quantrik. u wouldnt say this stuff to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol

oh_chesteroni · « **Reply #137 on:** Mon, 18 February 2019, 22:44:29 »

Quote from: Theconejo on Mon, 18 February 2019, 22:38:38

I think its hilarious u kids talking about quantrik. u wouldnt say this stuff to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol

Alright, Calvin. Back to twitch you go.

forumusername · « **Reply #138 on:** Mon, 18 February 2019, 23:19:12 »

I understand people are annoyed but Quantrik doesn't owe anyone anything including an explanation. People are taking this unreasonably as a personal injustice. This was only an IC not a group buy. As such the individual with the creative influence controls the destiny and what if any attention it gets. The sense of entitlement is absurd.

dantambok · « **Reply #139 on:** Mon, 18 February 2019, 23:20:10 »

Quote from: forumusername on Mon, 18 February 2019, 23:19:12

I understand people are annoyed but Quantrik doesn't owe anyone anything including an explanation. People are taking this unreasonably as a personal injustice. This was only an IC not a group buy. As such the individual with the creative influence controls the destiny and what if any attention it gets. The sense of entitlement is absurd.

1000000%

Quantastrophus · « **Reply #140 on:** Tue, 19 February 2019, 00:14:19 »

Hola buddies,

I posted a google doc for entering the GB raffle in 5 or 6 very popular discord servers and had around 70+ raffle entries in the short while it was open. I felt that was enough interest to choose 10 winners.

I'm kind of lazy these days with making formatted posts on geekhack and being forced to post updates in the GB threads. I use discord for other reasons besides keyboards so it is more convenient for me to post updates in my server. I tried linking to it on GH but the mods removed it

.

I'm testing out some new factories so there may be another run of this board in the future besides the 10 raffle winners. I can't promise I will post about it on this forum but you should be able to find me on discord if you are motivated.

Anyways, I have some GBs to wrap up so those will be my main focus for the immediate future.

Thankies,
Quantrik

dimo · « **Reply #141 on:** Tue, 19 February 2019, 00:17:18 »

Quote from: Quantastrophus on Tue, 19 February 2019, 00:14:19

Hola buddies,

I posted a google doc for entering the GB raffle in 5 or 6 very popular discord servers and had around 70+ raffle entries in the short while it was open. I felt that was enough interest to choose 10 winners.

I'm kind of lazy these days with making formatted posts on geekhack and being forced to post updates in the GB threads. I use discord for other reasons besides keyboards so it is more convenient for me to post updates in my server. I tried linking to it on GH but the mods removed it .

I'm testing out some new factories so there may be another run of this board in the future besides the 10 raffle winners. I can't promise I will post about it on this forum but you should be able to find me on discord if you are motivated.

Anyways, I have some GBs to wrap up so those will be my main focus for the immediate future.

Thankies,
Quantrik

thanks for clearing things up

I’ll be waiting for the next buy!

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maximize · « **Reply #142 on:** Tue, 19 February 2019, 10:53:37 »

Quote from: Theconejo on Mon, 18 February 2019, 22:38:38

I think its hilarious u kids talking about quantrik. u wouldnt say this stuff to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol

Ok buddy pal, none of those things have to do anything with requesting communication about an IC/GB.

Quote from: forumusername on Mon, 18 February 2019, 23:19:12

I understand people are annoyed but Quantrik doesn't owe anyone anything including an explanation. People are taking this unreasonably as a personal injustice. This was only an IC not a group buy. As such the individual with the creative influence controls the destiny and what if any attention it gets. The sense of entitlement is absurd.

Nobody is taking it as a personal injustice; we're all simply saying that communication should have been better. It's not much of a community without that. The sole purpose of this IC forum is to communicate and gather input, and as many people waited, news was provided elsewhere. No need to act all holier-than-thou.

Quote from: Quantastrophus on Tue, 19 February 2019, 00:14:19

Hola buddies,

I posted a google doc for entering the GB raffle in 5 or 6 very popular discord servers and had around 70+ raffle entries in the short while it was open. I felt that was enough interest to choose 10 winners.

I'm kind of lazy these days with making formatted posts on geekhack and being forced to post updates in the GB threads. I use discord for other reasons besides keyboards so it is more convenient for me to post updates in my server. I tried linking to it on GH but the mods removed it .

I'm testing out some new factories so there may be another run of this board in the future besides the 10 raffle winners. I can't promise I will post about it on this forum but you should be able to find me on discord if you are motivated.

Anyways, I have some GBs to wrap up so those will be my main focus for the immediate future.

Thankies,
Quantrik

Thanks for the update. Could you please provide a link to your discord? I can't seem to find it.

otanishock · « **Reply #143 on:** Tue, 19 February 2019, 11:16:49 »

Quote from: Theconejo on Mon, 18 February 2019, 22:38:38

and hangs out with the hottest dudes.

MJLurks · « **Reply #144 on:** Mon, 18 November 2019, 16:05:55 »

Love the 1800 style, this one I def be interested in for sure! Be cool to see some different color combos or added weight. More pics/renders of this mini PLEASE!

gecruz · « **Reply #145 on:** Mon, 18 November 2019, 21:50:46 »

This layout is perfect, please make a public GB

diegopx · « **Reply #146 on:** Tue, 14 January 2020, 09:23:53 »

Ditto. I’d be in for one of these in a heartbeat, seems like this layout is a bit of a unicorn.

TheOpposition · « **Reply #147 on:** Wed, 20 May 2020, 13:01:51 »

I'm interested, is it too late?

packman86 · « **Reply #148 on:** Wed, 20 May 2020, 13:54:32 »

Quote from: TheOpposition on Wed, 20 May 2020, 13:01:51

I'm interested, is it too late?

Look at who the OP is

Tyson · « **Reply #149 on:** Thu, 21 May 2020, 21:12:31 »

Quote from: TheOpposition on Wed, 20 May 2020, 13:01:51

I'm interested, is it too late?

There's no GB after all.

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