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Title: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Wed, 23 October 2013, 04:20:57
http://www.originativeco.com/collections/custom-keyboards/products/lightsaber

Count: 20

0-14: $295
15-29: $285 <--- we are here.
30: $275

Of course I will help with the purchase at the end.  I will refund you guys whatever is needed.  The refund takes less than a week to return.  Thanks everyone for the support :)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: bueller on Wed, 23 October 2013, 04:28:00
http://imgur.com/a/JH9ox

Anyone interested in the Lightsaver or Duck V2 with the raiser?

The Lightsaver weighs approximately 4.7 lbs.  The box and accessories it comes with is an additional 4.6 lbs.

The cost is around $275.

This includes the case, plate, pcb, and accessories.



What are you doing to us Sherry! Absolutely beautiful. Depending on time frames I'll probably be in.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: bazemk1979 on Wed, 23 October 2013, 04:35:11
http://imgur.com/a/JH9ox

Anyone interested in the Lightsaver or Duck V2 with the raiser?

The Lightsaver weighs approximately 4.7 lbs.  The box and accessories it comes with is an additional 4.6 lbs.

The cost is around $275.

This includes the case, plate, pcb, and accessories.


great looking board, if the keyboard weights 4.7lbs how can the accessories weigh additional 4.6lbs? what sort of accessories are those?  BTW did the guy came out with programming software for it?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 23 October 2013, 04:35:46
Hmm that light saver is really nice
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: LechnerDE on Wed, 23 October 2013, 04:36:32
Absolutely beautiful!

Does "accessories" include LEDs and everything so I just need the switches to get a working keyboard?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 23 October 2013, 06:12:01
What sort of accessories? And does it allow any deviation in the layout, mainly 1800 shift and extra key?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: AKIMbO on Wed, 23 October 2013, 06:43:58
The light saver is beautiful
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Halverson on Wed, 23 October 2013, 06:45:46
I forgot to ask. Any chance this will have an alps compatible pcb like the duck V2? Would be very interested in that.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 23 October 2013, 07:44:42
I want it anyway, but hope for 1800 shift. I will take one.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: BunnyLake on Wed, 23 October 2013, 07:49:24
id take one or both
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 23 October 2013, 08:13:55
This looks amazing. Interested!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Forever on Wed, 23 October 2013, 08:32:39
It's really nice. I like the layout
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: boost on Wed, 23 October 2013, 08:35:21
Slick looking keyboard.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: phetto on Wed, 23 October 2013, 09:18:05
Very interested
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 23 October 2013, 09:26:51
The only problem I have with it is the layout. Because Duck0113 wants to keep things simple, and use a tray style case design, there is a limitation to what can be done with the layout. There is no spacing of separation between the alphanumeric section and the numpad section, or the function row. While it doesn't seem like this would be a problem, your fingers will fumble, because they naturally look for this spacing they are used to, for reference. While I think the case is beautiful, I can't get past the layout limitation.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 23 October 2013, 09:30:22
I don't see it as a limitation, but a feature. It allows a smaller keyboard while still maintaining most keys. Perhaps you're correct in that it will pose a problem, but I'm sure that can be overcome with experience and use.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Moosecraft on Wed, 23 October 2013, 09:41:39
Lightsaver!!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 23 October 2013, 09:43:50
The only problem I have with it is the layout. Because Duck0113 wants to keep things simple, and use a tray style case design, there is a limitation to what can be done with the layout. There is no spacing of separation between the alphanumeric section and the numpad section, or the function row. While it doesn't seem like this would be a problem, your fingers will fumble, because they naturally look for this spacing they are used to, for reference. While I think the case is beautiful, I can't get past the layout limitation.
Is it tray-style? Look at the 2nd-to-last picture. Also, in the last picture you can see a PCB & plate installed in the top half. Seems like a classic 2piece+plate to me, with the plate inside the top half (like most LZ cases).

I do agree with the layout though. Lovely board and great price, just not a fan of the layout.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Signature on Wed, 23 October 2013, 09:49:49
Want one!! :D :D :D
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 23 October 2013, 10:48:56
Personally, I think the layout is the best part. Along with the excessive LEDs, this is a must buy for me. Also $275 seems like a very reasonable price for what's included.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: LONGZILLA on Wed, 23 October 2013, 10:53:05
Personally, I think the layout is the best part. Along with the excessive LEDs, this is a must buy for me. Also $275 seems like a very reasonable price for what's included.

Agreed, pretty reasonable price, definitely interested.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: MKULTRA on Wed, 23 October 2013, 12:03:32
The layout is meh.  Interested nonetheless.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: ItsBc on Wed, 23 October 2013, 12:17:53
you already know I am sherry ^_^
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: danielucf on Wed, 23 October 2013, 12:18:08
Consider me in, I've been wanting this layout for ages. If it can support 1.75 shift and 00 and 0 keys on the numpad it would be even better.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: moogle on Wed, 23 October 2013, 14:07:25
need a lightsaver to keep my kingsaver company :llama:
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Dubsgalore on Wed, 23 October 2013, 14:09:17
LightSaver, yes please
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: xauser on Wed, 23 October 2013, 14:29:43
What a beauty, I'm in!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: mattics on Wed, 23 October 2013, 14:36:39
Looks awesome!

Did I miss something or is your site supposed to be down? When I visit I get a shopify down for maintenance page, I checked yesterday (or possibly the day before that) and got the same thing. I did a quick search/skim around here and couldn't see anything mentioning it.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Sifo on Wed, 23 October 2013, 14:37:13
been wanting this for a while, contacted a bunch of ppl to get one. However... need tosave money.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Dubsgalore on Wed, 23 October 2013, 14:40:36
I think i would actually get one in silver at one point

I know from the his site (which is out-of-stock at the moment), that kits offer 1800 and regular shifts, and winkeyless or winkey

I'd go for winkeyless and regular shift i think..not sure
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: mashby on Wed, 23 October 2013, 15:16:17
I'm in for a Lightsaver.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: cgbuen on Wed, 23 October 2013, 15:25:01
I'm interested also.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Wed, 23 October 2013, 15:33:56
Thanks for the feedback.  I'll go tell duck how appreciative you guys are!

The accessories does not include LED.  Most of the items that are included is to piece together everything.

There are 2 LEDs to each side on the bottom, and those are included.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: boost on Wed, 23 October 2013, 15:39:03
Thanks for the feedback.  I'll go tell duck how appreciative you guys are!

The accessories does not include LED.  Most of the items that are included is to piece together everything.

There are 2 LEDs to each side on the bottom, and those are included.



*Let the camping begin!!!!!!!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 23 October 2013, 16:01:20
That's an attractive keyboard.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 23 October 2013, 16:11:00
Thanks for the feedback.  I'll go tell duck how appreciative you guys are!

The accessories does not include LED.  Most of the items that are included is to piece together everything.

There are 2 LEDs to each side on the bottom, and those are included.

Will it be available on your site? Possible a groupbuy? ETA? I want details man!  :p
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Steven on Wed, 23 October 2013, 18:42:05
http://duck0113.tistory.com/category/LIGHT%20SAVER
This is alps and cherry combo keyboard. Selective "zone led" and side beam. Very nice, im gonna grab the duck v3 (same lightsaver design 60%) if they are available.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 24 October 2013, 02:15:01
http://imgur.com/a/JH9ox (http://imgur.com/a/JH9ox)

Anyone interested in the Lightsaver or Duck V2 with the raiser?

The Lightsaver weighs approximately 4.7 lbs.  The box and accessories it comes with is an additional 4.6 lbs.

The cost is around $275.

This includes the case, plate, pcb, and accessories.

Dear Sir,

Would be interested in joining this.

Please let me know when you will run this Group Buy (if you're going to run one) because it's cheap compared to REDLINE's stuff.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: MKULTRA on Thu, 24 October 2013, 02:24:00
http://imgur.com/a/JH9ox (http://imgur.com/a/JH9ox)

Anyone interested in the Lightsaver or Duck V2 with the raiser?

The Lightsaver weighs approximately 4.7 lbs.  The box and accessories it comes with is an additional 4.6 lbs.

The cost is around $275.

This includes the case, plate, pcb, and accessories.

Dear Sir,

Would be interested in joining this.

Please let me know when you will run this Group Buy (if you're going to run one) because it's cheap compared to REDLINE's stuff.
RT

That's why I'm jumping in on spirt's MX Mini GB instead of LZ MX GH
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 24 October 2013, 04:10:29
That's why I'm jumping in on spirt's MX Mini GB instead of LZ MX GH

Smartie, I thought that everyone was in love with LZ gear  ;D .  It just leaves more to appreciate the other keyboards that are available to us now.

Definitely will buy this Duck when Sherryton gives the go ahead and also want a 75% MX-mini W: PCB + Plate + Case by sprit.  Good times are ahead of us here.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 24 October 2013, 08:26:17
I'm fairly certain the price increase on increasingly larger pieces of metal to begin work on is exponential.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: ItsBc on Thu, 24 October 2013, 12:27:05
give me a heads up on skype sherry ;)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: TLSC.wipeOut on Thu, 24 October 2013, 18:50:35
that's a very interesting layout... I might consider it ! also based on the pictures are there two separate pcbs within the case? (TKL + Tenkey)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: bazemk1979 on Thu, 24 October 2013, 19:12:50
that's a very interesting layout... I might consider it ! also based on the pictures are there two separate pcbs within the case? (TKL + Tenkey)

good question
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: digi on Thu, 24 October 2013, 19:14:12
Love the layout, do it Sherry!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 24 October 2013, 19:34:31
I'm fairly certain the price increase on increasingly larger pieces of metal to begin work on is exponential.

True, the more metal the bigger the cash outlay.

What I also like is the different keyboard layouts that have caught my interest.  No longer interested in the plain old TKL or 104 key layout.  At least Sherryton's new Duck keyboard is different but extremely usable.

Besides, we're dealing with Sherryton hence all is good  :thumb: .
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: codyeatworld on Thu, 24 October 2013, 19:48:47
the more I look at this keyboard, the more I want it...
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Steven on Thu, 24 October 2013, 20:27:04
that's a very interesting layout... I might consider it ! also based on the pictures are there two separate pcbs within the case? (TKL + Tenkey)

that's a very interesting layout... I might consider it ! also based on the pictures are there two separate pcbs within the case? (TKL + Tenkey)

good question

This is from the Saver family series.

The picture posted by Sherry with the TKL + Tenkey PCB, that is Saver(TKL keyboard) + T-Saver (Tenkeys Numpad)

What Sherry is offering now is the Light Saver, what I'm waiting for is the Mini Saver (60%) and Light Saver Limited(If it is TKL)

(http://cfile5.uf.tistory.com/image/210DD83E524982162AA09B)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: L4yercake on Thu, 24 October 2013, 20:44:09
I'm in.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: MKULTRA on Fri, 25 October 2013, 01:37:14
I want one without the numpad haha.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: archer on Fri, 25 October 2013, 13:14:46
Would this be something that a novice, like myself, would be able to assemble? I've never soldered anything in my life  :-[
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 25 October 2013, 13:16:00
Soldering isn't hard, but it does take a moment to understand how your hands and equipment work together. I would suggest trying to solder on something you wouldn't feel bad about throwing away first, before working on something worth hundreds of dollars.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 25 October 2013, 13:38:34
sherryton,

do you have more details on the plate?

Is it mod friendly, I mean will it be possible to open the switches for lubing, etc. without desoldering the switches?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 25 October 2013, 20:34:07

What Sherry is offering now is the Light Saver, what I'm waiting for is the Mini Saver (60%) and Light Saver Limited(If it is TKL)

Show Image
(http://cfile5.uf.tistory.com/image/210DD83E524982162AA09B)


I didn't know there were so many varieties of Ducks.  Although the Light Saver Limited looks to be quite special from the illustration and if Sherryton could get it (down the road) that would be worth getting as well.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Halverson on Fri, 25 October 2013, 20:52:53
Got my duck V2 today. His stuff is solid! I think what I need from him is an alps numpad to match it!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Fri, 25 October 2013, 21:09:58
sherryton,

do you have more details on the plate?

Is it mod friendly, I mean will it be possible to open the switches for lubing, etc. without desoldering the switches?

I do not think so.  It's just a guess because the Koreans do not like that.

The plate's material is STS-304 with a thickness of 1.5T.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Sat, 26 October 2013, 18:52:37
Can you post a picture of the light saver PCB's? (when you have one) I'm seeing some confusing stuff on the ones there: is the tenkey a separate pcb, or is that just the image of the pad pcb? does it support center stem capslock? etc etc.

Otherwise, I really want one. bad.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: moogle on Sat, 26 October 2013, 19:11:45
Can you post a picture of the light saver PCB's? (when you have one) I'm seeing some confusing stuff on the ones there: is the tenkey a separate pcb, or is that just the image of the pad pcb? does it support center stem capslock? etc etc.

Otherwise, I really want one. bad.

i think the imgur album in the op shows three pcbs:
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 26 October 2013, 20:56:35
Otherwise, I really want one. bad.

You see Sherryton, there's a rush for these. 

Please don't post a lottery system or some kind of nasty prize draw, to get a limited number of these.  Mainly because I always lose in draws (of any kind).

Have a real Group Buy that delivers these babies into our hands as soon as possible.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Sat, 26 October 2013, 22:11:54
Otherwise, I really want one. bad.

You see Sherryton, there's a rush for these. 

Please don't post a lottery system or some kind of nasty prize draw, to get a limited number of these.  Mainly because I always lose in draws (of any kind).

Have a real Group Buy that delivers these babies into our hands as soon as possible.

This. I would love for a normal groupbuy, as soon as possible.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 27 October 2013, 00:45:16
Thanks for the feedback.  I'll go tell duck how appreciative you guys are!

The accessories does not include LED.  Most of the items that are included is to piece together everything.

There are 2 LEDs to each side on the bottom, and those are included.

the side LED's appear to be RED unless you desolder them and add your own.

Check out these plate options!
(http://www.kbd4u.com/web/images/l-4.jpg)
they appear to be available in red, silver or black (want black!) and you can pick winkey or WKL plate. PCB supports both.

I notice the downward facing LEDs are SMD to the PCB, so I'm curious as to what colours you can get, orange and blue ar shown in the pictures.

The website says something about shipping for orders over 600,000 won, so I assume you can just buy them (since they seem to expect orders that big).

Even better, the case is 6061 and the plate is STS-304!! I'm super excited about this.

In the features it also says : "- Complete support kimaeping" ('complete support keymapping' I imagine) so it looks reprogrammable, I would love to see their interface for this (graphical or otherwise)
also "- Full LED and LED side supports independent (individual keys can be controlled separately, many features will be updated later)" which is an exciting feature, and seems to indicate the interface isn't done yet.


seems its anodyzed from the USB port, so the finish will be a little different there.

On the website, it only allows me to choose up to three of them to add to the cart.

Ok go check it out yourselves! Based on the price they have listed, sherry's price is fantastic!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: TestostoBoost on Sun, 27 October 2013, 09:14:46
Very interested in this.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: esoomenona on Sun, 27 October 2013, 10:56:48
Wow. With the new info above, I'm even more excited!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 27 October 2013, 11:21:33
Wow. With the new info above, I'm even more excited!

I know! and there is even MORE information available on the website. Since the phantom, I've never been this excited about a custom keyboard until now.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: esoomenona on Sun, 27 October 2013, 11:25:05
Is the keypad without plate? A separate plate? So many options on that side.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: GeeNDL82 on Sun, 27 October 2013, 12:21:34
Sher: i cannot stop thinking about light saver. I hope you can run GB for Light saver soon
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: GeeNDL82 on Sun, 27 October 2013, 12:31:20
But please have option for hard anod with Light Saver :)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Sun, 27 October 2013, 13:58:53
http://cfile9.uf.tistory.com/image/22325E3C526CC7AA1BBFC8

There's another keypad that is not attached.  Otherwise, it is attached.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Dubsgalore on Sun, 27 October 2013, 14:07:08
(http://i.imgur.com/x93X33H.jpgp)

 :p
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Glissant on Sun, 27 October 2013, 14:36:48
I've sold a few things so I would be interested in a Lightsaver.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 27 October 2013, 15:31:04
Is the keypad without plate? A separate plate? So many options on that side.
Here's a picture from the website. Seriously guys: go read it.
(http://i.imgur.com/VFNtWhl.png)

Looks like they do have two different plates for winkey or winkeyless. I am not, however, seeing cutouts for easy stem/spring swapping. Still, it's backlit so I can hardly blame them.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: codyeatworld on Sun, 27 October 2013, 15:37:33
http://imgur.com/a/JH9ox

These pictures look different than the latest photos from the website.
The pictures from imgur look like its two pieces and the plate is attached to the top. While the new photos look like the plate/pcb drops into the case and its one piece.

Incase you missed the websites:

http://duck0113.tistory.com/

http://www.kbd4u.com/product/detail.html?product_no=13&cate_no=34&display_group=1
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: moogle on Sun, 27 October 2013, 17:01:22
http://imgur.com/a/JH9ox

These pictures look different than the latest photos from the website.
The pictures from imgur look like its two pieces and the plate is attached to the top. While the new photos look like the plate/pcb drops into the case and its one piece.

the album shows two different keyboards;
the SAVER is two pieces with plate,
whereas the LIGHTSAVER is one piece with plate
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: esoomenona on Sun, 27 October 2013, 17:10:32
We will also need the Upgrade kit.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: codyeatworld on Sun, 27 October 2013, 17:14:44
http://imgur.com/a/JH9ox

These pictures look different than the latest photos from the website.
The pictures from imgur look like its two pieces and the plate is attached to the top. While the new photos look like the plate/pcb drops into the case and its one piece.

the album shows two different keyboards;
the SAVER is two pieces with plate,
whereas the LIGHTSAVER is one piece with plate

Thanks for the clarification :)

Is this one going to be available soon?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: r3n_uneducated on Sun, 27 October 2013, 22:59:14
nice KB, want 1 :D
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Mon, 28 October 2013, 07:25:34
As long as you are accepting payments after the end of November, I am in. :D

Edit: Winkey ver.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Tue, 29 October 2013, 18:41:38
Ok I have important questions.

In my opinion, many keyboards that are programmable are more or less crippled by the programming utility. This is the case with the Cherry G80-1950 and (to a lesser extent) the KMAC. The GUI may look nice and be easy to use, but the features aren't there. (For example, the Cherry doesn't have all keys available for programming. The KMAC has options for keys (toggleable function is one) that don't actually work, etc.) This has been alleviated with the rise of third party firmwares (TMK_Firmware for KMAC Looks like an excellent alternative) but is still somewhat of an issue.

I've been researching the Duck Saver and Lightsaver keyboards as much as I can, and I think I see references to a reprogramming utility, but have not seen any actual release or download. Will there be such a thing? more importantly, how good will it be? I'm okay pressing buttons in korean (or, better yet: just using text files and the command line, like what Soarer's firmware gives you), as long as it's easy to translate.

With the many plate options, it only makes sense for this keyboard to be programmable. Has a utility been released? What's it like? if not: is there a release date in mind? I can't wait to start using it. and picking what layout I'll have.

I think the underglow LED's are SMD and soldered already. Do you know what package / size they are? I need to start researching what custom colour I'll make mine.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Tue, 29 October 2013, 18:52:05
More
Ok I have important questions.

In my opinion, many keyboards that are programmable are more or less crippled by the programming utility. This is the case with the Cherry G80-1950 and (to a lesser extent) the KMAC. The GUI may look nice and be easy to use, but the features aren't there. (For example, the Cherry doesn't have all keys available for programming. The KMAC has options for keys (toggleable function is one) that don't actually work, etc.) This has been alleviated with the rise of third party firmwares (TMK_Firmware for KMAC Looks like an excellent alternative) but is still somewhat of an issue.

I've been researching the Duck Saver and Lightsaver keyboards as much as I can, and I think I see references to a reprogramming utility, but have not seen any actual release or download. Will there be such a thing? more importantly, how good will it be? I'm okay pressing buttons in korean (or, better yet: just using text files and the command line, like what Soarer's firmware gives you), as long as it's easy to translate.

With the many plate options, it only makes sense for this keyboard to be programmable. Has a utility been released? What's it like? if not: is there a release date in mind? I can't wait to start using it. and picking what layout I'll have.

I think the underglow LED's are SMD and soldered already. Do you know what package / size they are? I need to start researching what custom colour I'll make mine.

I'm also very curious about the reprogram utility. I saw earlier in this thread, it was mentioned that we would have individual LED control built-in, so I'm very curious about all of that.

The underglow/vanity LED lighting is also another good point. Until Dorkvader posted the details about it, I just assumed it worked like a GON and they soldered LED's on the bottom.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: L4yercake on Wed, 30 October 2013, 04:59:49
Any known time frame on this?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Wed, 30 October 2013, 22:50:57
The item will be available on my site for a week.  The reason for the increase in price was because of fees, customs, and shipping.  If we are able to reach 15 orders, then the price will drop to 285.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: jonathanyu on Wed, 30 October 2013, 22:52:22
The item will be available on my site for a week.  The reason for the increase in price was because of fees, customs, and shipping.  If we are able to reach 15 orders, then the price will drop to 285.
How many will be available? Is there any limit?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 30 October 2013, 23:15:24
The item will be available on my site for a week.  The reason for the increase in price was because of fees, customs, and shipping.  If we are able to reach 15 orders, then the price will drop to 285.

Hi Sherry! I just tried to purchase a silver one and got this message:
Quote
Unfortunately there is no Shipping Rate available for your destination and/or weight of your cart.

Please contact the Shop Owner for further assistance.

Is that just a problem with your site? I swear I entered my address correctly :))
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Wed, 30 October 2013, 23:30:38
The item will be available on my site for a week.  The reason for the increase in price was because of fees, customs, and shipping.  If we are able to reach 15 orders, then the price will drop to 285.

I'm sure it'll go to 15. This keyboard is awesome.

Need to know if these are winkeyless or winkey. Looking at the pictures the pcb supports both, but the plate only supports one or the other. I would prefer mine to be winkey.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Wed, 30 October 2013, 23:51:36
The item will be available on my site for a week.  The reason for the increase in price was because of fees, customs, and shipping.  If we are able to reach 15 orders, then the price will drop to 285.
How many will be available? Is there any limit?

There will be a limit.  I am sorry, but I do have not much control over that.

The item will be available on my site for a week.  The reason for the increase in price was because of fees, customs, and shipping.  If we are able to reach 15 orders, then the price will drop to 285.

Hi Sherry! I just tried to purchase a silver one and got this message:
Quote
Unfortunately there is no Shipping Rate available for your destination and/or weight of your cart.

Please contact the Shop Owner for further assistance.

Is that just a problem with your site? I swear I entered my address correctly :))

I think I fixed it.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Wed, 30 October 2013, 23:59:00
I think I fixed it.

Thanks! Works for me now. However there is one more issue I'm having with payment. PM'd you
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 31 October 2013, 00:03:15
If only I hadn't already invested in another TKL project--this is a great keyboard.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 31 October 2013, 00:03:55
I realize these can be PCB mounted but what if you want the plate, how does that work for allowing the different layouts?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: L4yercake on Thu, 31 October 2013, 01:04:48
I realize these can be PCB mounted but what if you want the plate, how does that work for allowing the different layouts?

This I would like to know too before I jump in.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Thu, 31 October 2013, 01:51:46
Group Buy count will be posted on the OP.  For the plate, I will have to talk to them.  I did not really consider much of that.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 31 October 2013, 08:57:51
I realize these can be PCB mounted but what if you want the plate, how does that work for allowing the different layouts?

Really good question, I am interested in this as well!

I prefer the feeling of plate-mounted switches over PCB-mounted switches and would like to know beforehand what options I'd have :)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 31 October 2013, 09:24:16
I would prefer 1.5 - 1 - 1.5 - 7 - 1.5 - 1 - 1.5 for the bottom row with a standard numberpad layout, if possible.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 31 October 2013, 09:38:58
It seems there are two plates, winkey and winkeyless. The difference is in the bottom row modifiers. The plates have large openings with extra space for the stabilizers on the numpad that allow passage of the stabilizers on the larger keys there if you so choose to use them. There is a picture of how it looks exactly on one of the posted sites. The two plates have the ability for the numpad to be adjusted as desired.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Thu, 31 October 2013, 09:49:18
It seems there are two plates, winkey and winkeyless. The difference is in the bottom row modifiers. The plates have large openings with extra space for the stabilizers on the numpad that allow passage of the stabilizers on the larger keys there if you so choose to use them. There is a picture of how it looks exactly on one of the posted sites. The two plates have the ability for the numpad to be adjusted as desired.

http://imgur.com/a/JH9ox

Anyone interested in the Lightsaver or Duck V2 with the raiser?

The Lightsaver weighs approximately 4.7 lbs.  The box and accessories it comes with is an additional 4.6 lbs.

The cost is around $275.

This includes the case, plate, pcb, and accessories.


great looking board, if the keyboard weights 4.7lbs how can the accessories weigh additional 4.6lbs? what sort of accessories are those?  BTW did the guy came out with programming software for it?

My guess is that the accessories include both plates?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: LechnerDE on Thu, 31 October 2013, 09:50:28
It seems there are two plates, winkey and winkeyless. The difference is in the bottom row modifiers. The plates have large openings with extra space for the stabilizers on the numpad that allow passage of the stabilizers on the larger keys there if you so choose to use them. There is a picture of how it looks exactly on one of the posted sites. The two plates have the ability for the numpad to be adjusted as desired.

Sounds awesome!

I think I am going for a black one  ;D
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 31 October 2013, 10:06:26
Here's the picture I was describing. You can see the spaces are wide open. They can either accommodate two switches or a switch and stabilizers. Also, you can see how the right shift can be modified as well, same sort of principle.

(http://m.kbd4u.com/web/images/l-3.jpg)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 31 October 2013, 10:09:42
Hell, it seems like the plate might possibly accommodate both bottom row setups. Anyone else see that? Especially with how the stabilizer sits in one of the slots that would be 1.25x.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: TheFlyingRaccoon on Thu, 31 October 2013, 10:22:34
Hell, it seems like the plate might possibly accommodate both bottom row setups. Anyone else see that? Especially with how the stabilizer sits in one of the slots that would be 1.25x.

Yes, it appears to be that way. That would be awesome if it was true! Sherry, can you confirm/deny this? 
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 31 October 2013, 10:33:36
Those slots are definitely wider than one switch width. I'd bet money one plate does everything. Perfect.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 31 October 2013, 10:34:07
Man I really want one of these now, I'm such a flip flopper :(
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Thu, 31 October 2013, 10:38:43
Those slots are definitely wider than one switch width. I'd bet money one plate does everything. Perfect.

I was going to call you out on this, becaule there's only three spaces to the right of the spacebar

But then I saw the hole the spacebar stabilizer is poking out of.

I'm now almost sure one plate does it all.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 31 October 2013, 10:42:07
Man I really want one of these now, I'm such a flip flopper :(

We can be flip floppers together, but I'm still excited about my upcoming TKL--it's going to be different.  I would have definitely gone for this Saver in silver color otherwise.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: lcs on Thu, 31 October 2013, 10:46:25
I like how the link says 'lightsaber'.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 31 October 2013, 10:47:55
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Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Thu, 31 October 2013, 10:57:36
Cannot decide between silver and red....That red looks good but I'm scared I will get tired of it. At least I have a few days to decide. :]
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 31 October 2013, 11:01:41
Yep, that's a "universal" type plate, which supports both "winkey" and "winkeyless" layouts on the same plate. Really, with the PCB mount switches and stabilizers, the only reason you would even need a plate is to secure the PCB to the case, if there were no standoffs in the case for mounting the PCB. But that PCB has mounting hole slots, and the case appears to have standoffs...
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Jrwestcoast on Thu, 31 October 2013, 13:15:02
Cannot decide between silver and red....That red looks good but I'm scared I will get tired of it. At least I have a few days to decide. :]

I am in the same boat, can't decide on the red or silver, bet leaning toward the silver one.  do we know what LEDs they come with?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 31 October 2013, 13:16:51
Yep, that's a "universal" type plate, which supports both "winkey" and "winkeyless" layouts on the same plate. Really, with the PCB mount switches and stabilizers, the only reason you would even need a plate is to secure the PCB to the case, if there were no standoffs in the case for mounting the PCB. But that PCB has mounting hole slots, and the case appears to have standoffs...

I might have to try one PCB mount then!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Thu, 31 October 2013, 13:17:58
I am in the same boat, can't decide on the red or silver, bet leaning toward the silver one.  do we know what LEDs they come with?

They only come with the red underside LED's, which are already attached to the PCB. The rest is on you!

I decided to go silver and use the HyperFuse set :]
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 31 October 2013, 13:20:59
Would it be possible to get an extra PCB as an add-on?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: digi on Thu, 31 October 2013, 13:26:29
I'm confused, you guys are way smarter than me but I see plate in those pics but you're saying this is pcb mount?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 31 October 2013, 13:27:35
I'm confused, you guys are way smarter than me but I see plate in those pics but you're saying this is pcb mount?

Either plate or PCB.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: digi on Thu, 31 October 2013, 13:39:54
Gotcha, thanks.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Thu, 31 October 2013, 15:57:51
I'm confused, you guys are way smarter than me but I see plate in those pics but you're saying this is pcb mount?

You can see in this crop I made that the PCB has holes for PCB-mount switches. The plate has lots of options, which are all listed on the originative page for this item (and other places as well)
(http://i.imm.io/1jpb0.png)

I would also like to note that in the above picture, there are pads for a transistor near the LED's on the PCB that is bypassed with what appears to be a resistor (meaning they are full on and no brightness control). I would suspect that the finished product will have brightness control of the underglow LED's, as the PCB seems to support it and the prototype in the image above is clearly hand-soldered (they haven't finished the resistors and diodes for the switches yet, nor even started on the through hole components.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Thu, 31 October 2013, 18:16:50
I just confirmed that the plate can use both winkey and winkeyless because they widen the holes I believe.  You can also use either 1.75x + 1x or 2.75x.  All the combination in the picture of "Light Saver Lay Out" is possible with the plate.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: L4yercake on Thu, 31 October 2013, 21:55:01
I just confirmed that the plate can use both winkey and winkeyless because they widen the holes I believe.  You can also use either 1.75x + 1x or 2.75x.  All the combination in the picture of "Light Saver Lay Out" is possible with the plate.

Sweet. Now to the actual challenge of deciding what color to get  :-\
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: r3n_uneducated on Fri, 01 November 2013, 02:11:23
I saw your Light saver page, and concern about the switch type:\
And a group buy?
I only see 3 colors for the housing. What is the switch type? Cherry MX or ALPS ?

Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Fri, 01 November 2013, 02:14:12
I saw your Light saver page, and concern about the switch type:\
And a group buy?
I only see 3 colors for the housing. What is the switch type? Cherry MX or ALPS ?



Yes, this is a group purchase.  There are only 3 available colors, and the switch type is for Cherry MX board.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: r3n_uneducated on Fri, 01 November 2013, 02:27:48
Thanks
I'm in :)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: bianco on Fri, 01 November 2013, 04:04:00
just placed order!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Fri, 01 November 2013, 13:01:52
Just paid! [Also PM'ed you about some shipping details]
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 01 November 2013, 13:13:58
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/x93X33H.jpgp)


 :p

That T-Saver is so sexy.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: r3n_uneducated on Fri, 01 November 2013, 16:39:40
Considering :\

The whole package have only 3 parts and I have to solder the switches and LED by myself right.
=,.=
My place have nothing to do those fancy stuff. Arrrrrrrrrrrrr
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: bachphongcomputer on Sat, 02 November 2013, 00:31:13
Deadline is?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: L4yercake on Sat, 02 November 2013, 00:35:27
Deadline is?

Nov 8th
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: germy on Sat, 02 November 2013, 03:51:09
These keyboards will be shipped from Korea right? Is it possible to get them shipped via their EMS? It is alot cheaper than the $58 USPS shipping option on the website.

Also, will the T-Savers be available for sale soon?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 02 November 2013, 04:48:00
These keyboards will be shipped from Korea right? Is it possible to get them shipped via their EMS? It is alot cheaper than the $58 USPS shipping option on the website.

Also, will the T-Savers be available for sale soon?

Wait, shipping would be 58$?!


This would push this purchase to the 350$ mark.

Oh boy, this thing is kinda getting out of reach for me :(

Sherryton, can you please comment on the final shipping costs?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: HendyZone on Sat, 02 November 2013, 05:19:47
These keyboards will be shipped from Korea right? Is it possible to get them shipped via their EMS? It is alot cheaper than the $58 USPS shipping option on the website.

Also, will the T-Savers be available for sale soon?

i also hope that sherry can shipped from korea, so it's more cheaper
but sherry already tell me that the item shipped from US

i also still waiting confirmation from sherry
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: germy on Sat, 02 November 2013, 05:23:56
These keyboards will be shipped from Korea right? Is it possible to get them shipped via their EMS? It is alot cheaper than the $58 USPS shipping option on the website.

Also, will the T-Savers be available for sale soon?

Wait, shipping would be 58$?!


This would push this purchase to the 350$ mark.

Oh boy, this thing is kinda getting out of reach for me :(

Sherryton, can you please comment on the final shipping costs?


Yeah it to Singapore. Dunno about the cost to Germany though. Hopefully it's better for you? I got the quotation when I tried to checkout from the Originative store.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 02 November 2013, 05:50:00

i also hope that sherry can shipped from korea, so it's more cheaper
but sherry already tell me that the item shipped from US

i also still waiting confirmation from sherry

Is there any reason this can't be done for non US members? Shipping stuff around the world 2 times is just too expensive :(

Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Sat, 02 November 2013, 16:58:47
Well I guess it hasn't billed me yet? Does that happen when it ships?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Sat, 02 November 2013, 18:33:50
Well I guess it hasn't billed me yet? Does that happen when it ships?

On my bank of america page it shows as "processing" and has deducted the money from my account.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: jonathanyu on Sat, 02 November 2013, 20:24:37
So the last day of order will be 11-8?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Sun, 03 November 2013, 18:51:45
So the last day of order will be 11-8?

I might extend it to that weekend.  This group buy is a go.  Items will be shipped within 4 weeks.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: GeeNDL82 on Mon, 04 November 2013, 00:01:56
Yes. The shipping cost to Viet Nam is 58$ too. I dont know why it is so expensive.

I also PMed to you Sher.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Mon, 04 November 2013, 10:24:17

(http://i.imgur.com/klTnctA.jpg)

On a lighter note [pun lol]:
Can somebody guess how they got this lighting effect? I know he is using the acrylic insert, but how are they getting two different colored light sources into it? Just leaking through the PCB?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Glissant on Mon, 04 November 2013, 10:42:13
Not sure what you mean. They have a LED mount for each of the two sides.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Mon, 04 November 2013, 10:45:53
Yes, the "underglow" SMD LED's here are clearly the two red ones, as their position matches up with the holes we see from the bottom-up pictures. But in the picture above, somehow they have both red and white light leaking into the acrylic insert.

It's not a big deal or anything but I'm just curious how they did it lol....
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 04 November 2013, 10:48:38
I suspect the white light is from the ambient light of the room, like there's a lamp above the keyboard somewhere.

I still need to contact them to see what diode size they are using for the underglow.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Mon, 04 November 2013, 10:53:41
I suspect the white light is from the ambient light of the room, like there's a lamp above the keyboard somewhere.

I still need to contact them to see what diode size they are using for the underglow.

You know what...you are right. You can see the "second" shadow of the lightsaver underneath the Ctrl button! Good eye lol.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 04 November 2013, 16:48:35
There's nothing extra there, just 2 holes for LEDs and the acrylic insert.  The insert and the interaction of the LED light + room light is what you're seeing:

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Steven on Mon, 04 November 2013, 19:53:52
Yes, the "underglow" SMD LED's here are clearly the two red ones, as their position matches up with the holes we see from the bottom-up pictures. But in the picture above, somehow they have both red and white light leaking into the acrylic insert.

It's not a big deal or anything but I'm just curious how they did it lol....
The white is the flash of the camera, the picture seems to be taken with camera flash
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 04 November 2013, 19:56:49
It'd have to be very faint flash: there's no visible shadow from it anywhere.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Mon, 04 November 2013, 21:14:46
It'd have to be very faint flash: there's no visible shadow from it anywhere.
I mentioned the shadow from the light source. Look closely underneath the "Control" key in the picture I posted!

LOL why are we still talking about this...its cool guys...its confirmed its an outside light source. Its not some kind of advanced LED work!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: exitface on Tue, 05 November 2013, 00:31:08
Definitely interested in this. Any information regarding firmware/programming? Is the controller a Atmega32U4 (http://duck0113.tistory.com/category/Duck%20mini%20firmware not sure if the saver is wired up demonstrably different than the mini)?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Grendel on Tue, 05 November 2013, 11:51:40
Ordered ! :thumb:
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: bladegesnow on Wed, 06 November 2013, 03:32:59
Ordered. Where is the 14th and 15th buyer???
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: L4yercake on Wed, 06 November 2013, 05:25:20
Ordered. Where is the 14th and 15th buyer???

Incoming, unable to decide on color  :-\
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Wed, 06 November 2013, 06:51:00
Ordered. Where is the 14th and 15th buyer???

Incoming, unable to decide on color  :-\
Both!

Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: bladegesnow on Wed, 06 November 2013, 14:11:43
Ordered. Where is the 14th and 15th buyer???

Incoming, unable to decide on color  :-\
Both!

Love your logic XD
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Thu, 07 November 2013, 15:52:16
15 people

I will send out an e-mail today.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 07 November 2013, 15:54:00
Was 15 people the maximum limit as well as the minimum? Or can more people still order?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Sifo on Thu, 07 November 2013, 15:59:43
I would have gotten in on this but I was under the impression the whole time that it was just 60%, not this odd layout :( still looks good though, grats to everyone who bought one.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Thu, 07 November 2013, 16:00:38
Was 15 people the maximum limit as well as the minimum? Or can more people still order?

More people can order.  It's just that the price dropped to $285, so they get to choose a refund of $10 or a coupon code for a better value.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 07 November 2013, 16:01:12
OMGees, I hope I can get in on one of these.  We'll see in the next couple days.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Thu, 07 November 2013, 16:03:05
Yes photo...Once you've had a taste of korean custom you can never go back to those plastic-cased boards. Do eet.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: MOZ on Thu, 07 November 2013, 16:04:08
I'd really, really love to get a PCB only if possible. Please, pretty please?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 07 November 2013, 16:04:31
No I'm sticking with 2 keyboards maximum for myself, despite all the temptation, due to budget limitations and also... I really don't need more than that.  I can only get this if I can pass on another that I have preordered.  Otherwise I'll just have to find a way to get this in the future :)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Sifo on Thu, 07 November 2013, 16:06:10
You could just sell me your LZ-GH.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Thu, 07 November 2013, 16:07:14
I see. Yes this would be my second...and it would also be the first time I've ever had more than one mechanical keyboard at one time! I cannot hold my excitement. I think I visit this thread every day lol.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 07 November 2013, 16:12:10
You could just sell me your LZ-GH.

If I ever do, I'll definitely tell you!  But I've wanted a keyboard like it for a long time, so I can't part with it for the foreseeable future.  But I would part with my LZ Alu Skin TKL, that's the one I have on pre-order :)  I'd really like to try this form factor--I like the compactness of it and the tray-style case.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Loligagger on Thu, 07 November 2013, 21:31:43
Definitely interested in this. Any information regarding firmware/programming? Is the controller a Atmega32U4 (http://duck0113.tistory.com/category/Duck%20mini%20firmware not sure if the saver is wired up demonstrably different than the mini)?

Seconding this question. Pretty tempted to get one of these but I need to know what I can do in terms of Fn layer(s), toggling of layers, how programming is done, etc.

Also, about much would shipping be to canada?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Thu, 07 November 2013, 21:38:31
Definitely interested in this. Any information regarding firmware/programming? Is the controller a Atmega32U4 (http://duck0113.tistory.com/category/Duck%20mini%20firmware not sure if the saver is wired up demonstrably different than the mini)?

Seconding this question. Pretty tempted to get one of these but I need to know what I can do in terms of Fn layer(s), toggling of layers, how programming is done, etc.

Also, about much would shipping be to canada?

The programming will be set when the one who built it tests it out more.  He's going to give me all the information. 
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Loligagger on Thu, 07 November 2013, 21:51:04
Fair enough. Is there support for costar stabilizers? Or is it cherry only?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 08 November 2013, 04:20:33
Sherryton, possible to get a PCB only, please?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Fri, 08 November 2013, 12:20:03
Last day is today!

Fair enough. Is there support for costar stabilizers? Or is it cherry only?

Cherry stabilizers for sure.  I think Costar is applicable, but I will have to ask.

Sherryton, possible to get a PCB only, please?

I am sorry.  Not at this time.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 08 November 2013, 12:27:02
Sherry if we order this with other stuff will we be able to get the other stuff now and this later?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Fri, 08 November 2013, 12:31:11
Sherry if we order this with other stuff will we be able to get the other stuff now and this later?

It all comes at once.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 08 November 2013, 13:57:06
I wasn't able to get in on this... Sorry. But it seems enough people did. Hopefully one day, one of you decides to sell yours off. I will be there, waiting.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Fri, 08 November 2013, 14:13:28
I wasn't able to get in on this... Sorry. But it seems enough people did. Hopefully one day, one of you decides to sell yours off. I will be there, waiting.

it da ok bruh
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 08 November 2013, 14:20:41
Is it possible to add a second PCB to an existing order?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Fri, 08 November 2013, 14:24:39
Is it possible to add a second PCB to an existing order?

I do not think so, because the items have already been ordered, and they are shipping out this week.  The reason for the length of time is oversea shipping.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 08 November 2013, 14:27:07
Oh darn. Anyway, you can hook me up with the Korean manufacturing these and get me a PCB only, I will forever be indebted.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: cgbuen on Fri, 08 November 2013, 14:40:25
So the last day isn't the 11th like it says on the product page?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Fri, 08 November 2013, 14:41:35
It's the 11th.

I am not making payment until Tuesday since it's the US Holiday this weekend.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: bladegesnow on Fri, 08 November 2013, 20:03:26
15 people

I will send out an e-mail today.

hmmm... I don't receive any email :'(
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Fri, 08 November 2013, 20:12:51
15 people

I will send out an e-mail today.

hmmm... I don't receive any email :'(

You should have received it by now :)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: bianco on Fri, 08 November 2013, 20:23:44
15 people

I will send out an e-mail today.

hmmm... I don't receive any email :'(

You should have received it by now :)

is it a different email from the one that you sent 5 days ago?
if yes, i haven't received it as well.

also, would you have stock for the stabilizers?
thanks!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Fri, 08 November 2013, 20:25:16
15 people

I will send out an e-mail today.

hmmm... I don't receive any email :'(

You should have received it by now :)

is it a different email from the one that you sent 5 days ago?
if yes, i haven't received it as well.

also, would you have stock for the stabilizers?
thanks!

same!

trying to get in those stabilizers.  We are looking at around $6-7.5
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: bianco on Fri, 08 November 2013, 20:27:52
same!

trying to get in those stabilizers.  We are looking at around $6-7.5

thank you sir.
sounds good. looking forward to it.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Loligagger on Fri, 08 November 2013, 20:52:07
After some playing around with the angle of the board I have now, I find 11 degrees to be far too steep for my liking. Any chance for the same board in a shallower case? Or someone willing to buy the case off me if I decide to grab this board?

That layout is just far too appealing to me.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Fri, 08 November 2013, 20:54:15
After some playing around with the angle of the board I have now, I find 11 degrees to be far too steep for my liking. Any chance for the same board in a shallower case? Or someone willing to buy the case off me if I decide to grab this board?

That layout is just far too appealing to me.

Please send me your order number, and I can send you a refund asap.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Loligagger on Fri, 08 November 2013, 20:55:23
Well I didn't make an order yet. Just being wishy washy about getting the board or not.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 08 November 2013, 21:04:56
Ok I have important questions.

In my opinion, many keyboards that are programmable are more or less crippled by the programming utility. This is the case with the Cherry G80-1950 and (to a lesser extent) the KMAC. The GUI may look nice and be easy to use, but the features aren't there. (For example, the Cherry doesn't have all keys available for programming. The KMAC has options for keys (toggleable function is one) that don't actually work, etc.) This has been alleviated with the rise of third party firmwares (TMK_Firmware for KMAC Looks like an excellent alternative) but is still somewhat of an issue.

I've been researching the Duck Saver and Lightsaver keyboards as much as I can, and I think I see references to a reprogramming utility, but have not seen any actual release or download. Will there be such a thing? more importantly, how good will it be? I'm okay pressing buttons in korean (or, better yet: just using text files and the command line, like what Soarer's firmware gives you), as long as it's easy to translate.

With the many plate options, it only makes sense for this keyboard to be programmable. Has a utility been released? What's it like? if not: is there a release date in mind? I can't wait to start using it. and picking what layout I'll have.

I think the underglow LED's are SMD and soldered already. Do you know what package / size they are? I need to start researching what custom colour I'll make mine.

Not sure if it's been answered yet, but this might be helpful:
http://duck0113.tistory.com/?page=6
(down the page).  Looks like Duck's boards use FLIP to load the firmware, and there are some examples (these are for Duck Mini).  Looks like possible ATmeta32U.

(P.S.: if you use Chrome, it can auto-translate the pages to English).
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 09 November 2013, 02:34:19
I find 11 degrees to be far too steep for my liking.

I can't measure my boards right now.

Is 11 degrees the angle you get when you use the feet on let's say a Filco or QFR?

I prefer my my boards flat on the table, so I am not a 100% sure I want to spent so much money on this board. But I want to :p
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Loligagger on Sat, 09 November 2013, 13:08:29
I can't measure my boards right now.

Is 11 degrees the angle you get when you use the feet on let's say a Filco or QFR?

I prefer my my boards flat on the table, so I am not a 100% sure I want to spent so much money on this board. But I want to :p

The angle does seem almost the same as when you use feet on those boards. One could just raise the front of the board to make the angle shallower, but that would also raise the height of the keys.
[attach=1]
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 09 November 2013, 14:32:59
I can't measure my boards right now.

Is 11 degrees the angle you get when you use the feet on let's say a Filco or QFR?

I prefer my my boards flat on the table, so I am not a 100% sure I want to spent so much money on this board. But I want to :p

The angle does seem almost the same as when you use feet on those boards. One could just raise the front of the board to make the angle shallower, but that would also raise the height of the keys.
(Attachment Link)

Thanks for your post!

I just tried it with my Filco and I don't like the angle at all. Maybe it's just a matter of getting used to it, but I don't wanna risk spending ~350$ on a board I might not use...

Well, I still have 2 days left to decide ;)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 09 November 2013, 14:56:20
I've just measured out an 11-degree wedge, and it's nearly identical to the Filco incline with feet extended.  It's steeper than LZ-GH. 
I agree--I wish the incline weren't so steep.  Flat Filco incline is my favorite--overall height too.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Loligagger on Sat, 09 November 2013, 15:38:38
Anyone want two cases so I can have a shallower case made for myself? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: MOZ on Sat, 09 November 2013, 15:42:29
Anyone want two cases so I can have a shallower case made for myself? :rolleyes:

I am in the hunt for a PCB only, maybe if there is enough demand, Sherry could arrange it.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Loligagger on Sat, 09 November 2013, 15:46:46
Well if it were an option I'd take just the PCB and plate (and some stabs if costar won't work on the plate).
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: cgbuen on Sun, 10 November 2013, 17:58:02
Ordered! I'll have to wait on those stabilizers though - I need 7x PCB mount.

Do the plates/PCBs support both ANSI and ISO? I'm okay if it's ANSI only, but I'm just curious.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 10 November 2013, 19:36:53
There's a picture of the layouts it supports on originative, but the plate and PCB do not appear to support vertical enter or split left shift.

Of course, you can always modify it yourself.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Tue, 12 November 2013, 13:52:50
Patiently waiting.

(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-31238-rocket-dog-in-space-gif-zero-g-hmXG.gif)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: cgbuen on Tue, 12 November 2013, 15:30:44
Any word on the final number/whether there'd be another price drop?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Tue, 12 November 2013, 16:01:18
Any word on the final number/whether there'd be another price drop?

There were about 20 orders + 6 from me.  26 Total!

I'll update you guys on refunds or coupons when we finish all these orders.  We're totally packed right now.  I think we might have to put down our site for maintenance.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 12 November 2013, 16:16:49
Sherry, how do the side LEDs get selected?  Does the silver kit come with blue pre-soldered?  Just wondering if it's possible to do something neutral like white right away.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Tue, 12 November 2013, 16:20:37
I think it might come with multiple.  I will ask, and if it comes with a few options, then I will send out an e-mail.

Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 12 November 2013, 16:21:17
Awesome--thanks! 
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Grendel on Tue, 12 November 2013, 17:06:12
There were about 20 orders + 6 from me.  26 Total!

I'll update you guys on refunds or coupons when we finish all these orders.  We're totally packed right now.  I think we might have to put down our site for maintenance.

26, Good news ! :)

I ordered a couple keycap sets yesterday, hope processing them won't be affected by the Saber-frenzy !? ;)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Tue, 12 November 2013, 22:29:56
Everything has been affected by the saver frenzy. Even the coriolis effect has been altered.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Grendel on Wed, 13 November 2013, 00:11:01
 Explains the dizzy spells I'm having lately... ;D
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Wed, 13 November 2013, 02:58:06
I would like to know what size of SMD resistor and diode this needs so I can order the proper ones.

Or even just a measuring of the pads (how wide, how close together, etc)

Is the diode size SOD-123 like the ergodox or something else?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 13 November 2013, 03:02:16
I was under the impression that diodes will be pre-soldered, like for the Duck v2 kits.  Unsure about resistors.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Wed, 13 November 2013, 14:33:34
LEDs do come pre soldered, but they are only red :(

No options.  They said you would have to solder it yourself if you want a custom color.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 13 November 2013, 14:40:15
Boo :(  Could you please find out the specifications for these LEDs?  And also details about any pre-soldered PCB components, as Dorkvader mentioned (SMD diodes being pre-installed or not, and SMD resistors.  And if not, which sizes do we need--like 2012 for resistors.)
Thank you!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Wed, 13 November 2013, 20:17:19
LEDs do come pre soldered, but they are only red :(

No options.  They said you would have to solder it yourself if you want a custom color.

I suspected this: it said as much on the kbd4u page, but the size / package of those LED's would be handy for an enterprising solderer like me who will be installing his own.

I also would like to know if the diodes are pre-soldered. If not, me buying 1000 SOT-123 diodes makes more sense; if so, I will only need a few hundred.

I want to prepare ahead of time to get these put together quicker! Thanks for any info you can get me. (I tried to contact the guys on KBD4U through their forum, but I couldn't get the registration form filled out correctly in Korean)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 17 November 2013, 15:35:01
Was just on duck's website, and I see the lightsaber PCB is done. It looks like the diodes and resistors are pre-soldered.

Also, check out this layout: mind = blown (again).
(http://cfile29.uf.tistory.com/image/263D9B4B5287624F1B7BCF)
http://duck0113.tistory.com/66
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 17 November 2013, 15:47:25
Yeah, I saw that--pretty cool.  Looked like diodes are soldered on those photos, but resistors are not (except in a few spots).
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 18 November 2013, 07:22:07
Yeah, I saw that--pretty cool.  Looked like diodes are soldered on those photos, but resistors are not (except in a few spots).

All the resistors look soldered to me
(http://cfile4.uf.tistory.com/image/2425AE455288775A3809ED)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 18 November 2013, 07:34:27
Was just on duck's website, and I see the lightsaber PCB is done. It looks like the diodes and resistors are pre-soldered.

Also, check out this layout: mind = blown (again).
Show Image
(http://cfile29.uf.tistory.com/image/263D9B4B5287624F1B7BCF)

http://duck0113.tistory.com/66

WOW I think I wet my pants a little.....kicking myself for not getting in on this :eek:
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 18 November 2013, 12:00:54
These resistor locations seem empty to me.  Also some diodes are oriented horizontally on this board (along the bottom row).  I think I was confused, because they are soldered on the other side of the PCB if they are present.  Otherwise, it's just the silver background peeking through.

Ok, I think I'm wrong--after zooming in, especially looking at the bottom of the PCB, there are definitely resistors protruding forward

(http://i.imgur.com/Gu1Yxsn.jpg)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 18 November 2013, 15:11:38
Was just on duck's website, and I see the lightsaber PCB is done. It looks like the diodes and resistors are pre-soldered.

Also, check out this layout: mind = blown (again).
Show Image
(http://cfile29.uf.tistory.com/image/263D9B4B5287624F1B7BCF)

http://duck0113.tistory.com/66

WOW I think I wet my pants a little.....kicking myself for not getting in on this :eek:
I go on Duck's site again today.

*BOOM* headshot. Mind blown again.

So I heard you like TKL? Done.
(http://cfile1.uf.tistory.com/image/2405E63C528A205E3098FD)

This one isn't as nice as the previous, but I think I'll be needing some of those switch blockers regardless.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 18 November 2013, 15:35:48
I want to know more about those blanks and if they are included!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: jonathanyu on Mon, 18 November 2013, 20:25:13
 :-X omg, i want to get one now
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 18 November 2013, 20:48:39
I want to know more about those blanks and if they are included!

They are not included as far as I know, but I am interested in them as well! He called them "duck key block" on one page, but searching that yields nothing.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Germiphene on Tue, 19 November 2013, 00:59:12
is it possible to still get in on this order?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: danielucf on Wed, 20 November 2013, 15:04:02
Been trying to give you money for one of these since before you removed it from the web site. I know you've been busy but please reply to one of my emails or PMs at your convenience.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 22 November 2013, 11:41:12
I thought a pseudo-1800-style layout on the right side would be possible, but now that I'm looking at various diagrams carefully, I guess it isn't?  Could anyone please correct me on that?  By that I mean having a 6.25x spacebar followed by 2 1.5x modifiers, followed by 2 1x spaced switches to allow for an arrow cluster to be sandwiched between the mods and the numpad:

[attachimg=1]

But I only see these options explicitly allowed:

More
(http://www.kbd4u.com/web/images/l-4.jpg)

P.S.: Just looked at the PCB--doesn't seem possible :(

Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Fri, 22 November 2013, 15:45:51
Yeah those one unit keys will not work. also 1.5 unit keys in that location are shifted a bit.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 22 November 2013, 15:53:24
Yeah, it's too bad--would have been maximum efficiency that way.  I plan on rebinding the bottom of the numpad section to a toggleable arrow cluster.  Something like "0", "00", ".", and "2".  Hopefully that's possible.  Arrows normally, numpad when Num Lock is activated.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Fri, 22 November 2013, 16:43:16
I still owe many of you guys a voucher.  I'll get back to you shortly.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: bianco on Sat, 23 November 2013, 11:15:44
I thought a pseudo-1800-style layout on the right side would be possible, but now that I'm looking at various diagrams carefully, I guess it isn't?  Could anyone please correct me on that?  By that I mean having a 6.25x spacebar followed by 2 1.5x modifiers, followed by 2 1x spaced switches to allow for an arrow cluster to be sandwiched between the mods and the numpad:

(Attachment Link)

But I only see these options explicitly allowed:

More
Show Image
(http://www.kbd4u.com/web/images/l-4.jpg)


P.S.: Just looked at the PCB--doesn't seem possible :(


oh... i was thinking of doing the same thing.
need to find a way to have arrow keys without numlock toggling
will keep a lookout for what others are going to do  :thumb:

Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Sat, 23 November 2013, 14:54:19
need to find a way to have arrow keys without numlock toggling
will keep a lookout for what others are going to do  :thumb:


I was thinking this:
(http://cfile29.uf.tistory.com/image/263D9B4B5287624F1B7BCF)
http://duck0113.tistory.com/66

Also, you can split the right shift, and do it PURE style. I really like that solution as well.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 23 November 2013, 15:34:01
Yeah, but pure has 1.25x arrow spacing.  In this case, it'd be asymmetrical.  If that's what you meant.  So many options already that it's fine anyway.  Also not sure if we're getting any of those blocking pieces.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Michael on Sat, 23 November 2013, 16:05:06
So are the switch blockers anodized along with the case? Wondering if there might be some off-color issues if otherwise.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Sat, 23 November 2013, 18:25:17
So are the switch blockers anodized along with the case? Wondering if there might be some off-color issues if otherwise.
I dont think they are aprt of this GB.

Additionally I cant find any other info about them.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Michael on Sat, 23 November 2013, 19:20:12
So are the switch blockers anodized along with the case? Wondering if there might be some off-color issues if otherwise.
I dont think they are aprt of this GB.

Additionally I cant find any other info about them.


Hmmm... almost seems like you need to have them to vary layouts. I hope we can get more info from duck on this.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Sat, 23 November 2013, 23:17:06
So are the switch blockers anodized along with the case? Wondering if there might be some off-color issues if otherwise.
I dont think they are aprt of this GB.

Additionally I cant find any other info about them.


Hmmm... almost seems like you need to have them to vary layouts. I hope we can get more info from duck on this.

What do you mean? The keyboard is programmable. If you have a switch disabled in the firmware, it doesn't matter if it's covered or not: Those covers are purely aesthetic. It would, however, be great to get some more information. I'd like to get some.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Sat, 23 November 2013, 23:18:05
I'll get more information on the blockers.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: bianco on Sun, 24 November 2013, 06:38:22
I was thinking this:
Show Image
(http://cfile29.uf.tistory.com/image/263D9B4B5287624F1B7BCF)

http://duck0113.tistory.com/66

Also, you can split the right shift, and do it PURE style. I really like that solution as well.

thank you dorkvader
then have 0 and . on the sides of the up arrow.... and re-arrange the top row of the 'numpad' for the math operators
getting pretty excited!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Grendel on Wed, 27 November 2013, 12:44:37
I still owe many of you guys a voucher.  I'll get back to you shortly.

Ahem.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Grendel on Sun, 01 December 2013, 13:45:02
I still owe many of you guys a voucher.  I'll get back to you shortly.

Ahem.

Guess I have to be more blunt -- what about  that voucher ? Anytime soon ? I will be happy to reinvest it into a group buy, preferably before they are over.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Sun, 01 December 2013, 15:15:01
Yeah, I'm sending out vouchers this week.  I'm wrapping up another group buy up (Realforce/Filco).

Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 01 December 2013, 15:30:06
Sherry, when the kits are ready to ship, could you please tell us what--if any--extras are available (like the block pieces), what's included, and also if we can get things like stabilizers from you for it?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Grendel on Sun, 01 December 2013, 20:47:59
Yeah, I'm sending out vouchers this week.  I'm wrapping up another group buy up (Realforce/Filco).

Thanks, that will be just fine. Looking forward to spend more money ;)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Tue, 03 December 2013, 05:05:32
Sherry, when the kits are ready to ship, could you please tell us what--if any--extras are available (like the block pieces), what's included, and also if we can get things like stabilizers from you for it?

I actually got a chance to talk to him today, and he said they are about ready.  I forgot to ask him about the blockers ;(
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Tue, 03 December 2013, 19:55:21
Sherry, when the kits are ready to ship, could you please tell us what--if any--extras are available (like the block pieces), what's included, and also if we can get things like stabilizers from you for it?

The blocks are $3.75 ea.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 03 December 2013, 20:05:57
Will you have some available for us to add to our order then?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Tue, 03 December 2013, 20:42:34
Will you have some available for us to add to our order then?

Yeah, we will have some for sure.

Can I get an estimate of how many people are considering to purchase?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: bianco on Tue, 03 December 2013, 21:09:13
Will you have some available for us to add to our order then?

Yeah, we will have some for sure.

Can I get an estimate of how many people are considering to purchase?

i don't mind getting some
what colors are available?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Tue, 03 December 2013, 21:25:28
Will you have some available for us to add to our order then?

Yeah, we will have some for sure.

Can I get an estimate of how many people are considering to purchase?

i don't mind getting some
what colors are available?

I think it follows the color of the cases, so black, red, and silver are the ones available.  I have to make sure though.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: GeeNDL82 on Tue, 03 December 2013, 21:33:02
sherry: please confirm to us the color available and how many duck block we can order :D
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: sherryton on Tue, 03 December 2013, 21:40:03
sherry: please confirm to us the color available and how many duck block we can order :D

For sure!  I think it should be an unlimited number of blockers.  Hopefully I do not take too much of a toll with the shipping cost, so I have to try to order as many as possible in this shipment.  I need to gauge this.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Fri, 06 December 2013, 10:33:26
I'm guessing the keyblockers will be a separate buy? The lightsavers themselves are scheduled to ship to you (sherry) today right?

Not sure if this data is useful or not, but I will not be ordering any keyblockers.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 06 December 2013, 10:37:26
Might be good to create a poll for those who ordered keyboard kits to see how many blockers and of which color they would be interested in getting.   That would give you some idea so you don't get too many.

P.S.: I'm interested in getting a few.  Probably ~5 pieces.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 11 December 2013, 17:28:40
New firmware is up:
http://duck0113.tistory.com/

Looks like the layout will be in the form of an XML file.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Thu, 12 December 2013, 07:53:14
New firmware is up:
http://duck0113.tistory.com/

Looks like the layout will be in the form of an XML file.
yeah, it's what the KMAC uses, and the 60% duck kb used. I consider these to be easily hand editable, and they are easy to read/write from the GUI.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: mousesony on Thu, 19 December 2013, 10:28:03
(http://cfile1.uf.tistory.com/image/2742523952B2E9303B8C70)

@______@
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Thu, 19 December 2013, 11:55:55
Any news on this? I am _really_ looking forward to this board!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 28 December 2013, 01:45:57
Keymapping software :D

http://duck0113.tistory.com/75

(http://cfile2.uf.tistory.com/image/2369154F52BCC4D235DCC0)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Sat, 28 December 2013, 21:41:51
Keymapping software :D

http://duck0113.tistory.com/75

Show Image
(http://cfile2.uf.tistory.com/image/2369154F52BCC4D235DCC0)


oh thanks for the link!

Software DL points to a new website http://kbdlab.co.kr/ which explains why there were kmac firmware hints from before. I guess kbdmania has a website for developing kbs or whatever.  Was definitely worth a look.

THere's even talk of an se edition pcb and plate to support a layout closer to cherry compacts
http://kbdlab.co.kr/d/board_IMBu51/515

edit: firmware mapping software is a 17 mb download that is zip compressed. Uncompressing is 41 mb! That's a good ratio! Appears to run using the QT toolkit, which it includes dll for.

I also recommend you run it with a computer higher than 768 vertical resolution, as my screen on my ultraportable ran out of space :(
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: elton5354 on Sat, 28 December 2013, 21:48:38
That looks awesome..

(http://kbdlab.co.kr/d/files/attach/images/340/378/501e89bd9357ad6e47f629c8681082e5.jpg)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 28 December 2013, 21:50:33
Has a similarity with your avatar :)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Sat, 28 December 2013, 21:57:48
HUGE NEWS

Supports momentary and toggle function key.

Couldn't be happier.
It's great about the toggle function!
The world is my oyster.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 28 December 2013, 22:00:35
HUGE NEWS

Supports momentary and toggle function key.

Couldn't be happier.

Keymapping software :D

http://duck0113.tistory.com/75

Show Image
(http://cfile2.uf.tistory.com/image/2369154F52BCC4D235DCC0)


oh thanks for the link!

Software DL points to a new website http://kbdlab.co.kr/ which explains why there were kmac firmware hints from before. I guess kbdmania has a website for developing kbs or whatever.  Was definitely worth a look.

THere's even talk of an se edition pcb and plate to support a layout closer to cherry compacts
http://kbdlab.co.kr/d/board_IMBu51/515

edit: firmware mapping software is a 17 mb download that is zip compressed. Uncompressing is 41 mb! That's a good ratio! Appears to run using the QT toolkit, which it includes dll for.

I also recommend you run it with a computer higher than 768 vertical resolution, as my screen on my ultraportable ran out of space :(

Ah yes, the bottom layout is what I was hoping for, but won't happen now with the current plate/PCB.  Not a big deal, however, as the bottom two rows of the numpad area can be programmed as arrow keys anyway.

(http://kbdlab.co.kr/d/files/attach/images/123/515/98b0638a72faafa96beaaab363a27694.jpg)

It's great about the toggle function!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: GeeNDL82 on Sat, 04 January 2014, 12:05:24
finally, we have duck blocker or not :D
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 06 January 2014, 16:27:33
I've just learned that the side LEDs are SMD, size 1411 imperial / 3528 metric (3.5mm x 2.8mm).  The resistor value is 470 Ohm. 

Looking at the PCB photos here:
http://duck0113.tistory.com/67

I've zoomed in on a side of a PCB

[attachimg=1]

So I'm just confused by what I'm finding.  The LEDs attached to the PCB look like bulbs encased in housing. 
(http://www.mouser.com/images/kingbright/lrg/APETD3528.jpg)
(that's what I find if I look for 3.5mm x 2.8mm LEDs, not "3528")

But then looking at 1411/3528 LEDs on digikey and mouser, I'm finding them looking like this:

http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?pv16=11763&FV=fff40008%2Cfff80526&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25
(http://media.digikey.com/Photos/Rohm%20Photos/SMLV36WBFBW1_sml.jpg)

Neither quite match, and I'm not sure what I should be looking for.  Anyway, I'm just trying to find a source for replacement LEDs for anyone (including myself) who'd prefer something other than the Red LEDs this PCB will come with.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: elton5354 on Mon, 06 January 2014, 16:52:08
Might be these ones?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/50pcs-1210-3528-Purple-SMD-High-Light-LED-Light-Emitting-Diode-/400639912032?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d47ffe860&_uhb=1

or

http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/optoelectronics/led-indication-discrete/524729?k=diode%20led%203528
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 06 January 2014, 20:17:08
Even if the height and width are the same, the package does not specify height. So what you have with the huge bubble on it is a (probably cheaper) LED with a plastic lens on it. The option from mouser  or wherever doesn't appear to have a lens on it. If you had the part numbers / datasheets, you could see the intensity vs. angle chart of the LED, and how they differ.

Looking at the case, it should support basically any height LED, as there's a through hole directly under it. What type of LED you want (spotlight / floodlight style) is a matter of personal preference of course.

Personally, I'd go for the broadest "floodlight" (so most luminous flux at wide angles) LED I can get in the hopes that it'll illuminate my desk more evenly (or the plastic blocker thing)

Here's some pictures that also show the LED / holes to illustrate further
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7340/11810995016_7764f4ebdf_o.png)

---
to me it looks like they are using a bare LED like this:
(http://shop.rabtron.co.za/catalog/images/smd3528.jpg)

Which makes sense as it's not pretending to be "white" like many LEDs do. "white" LED's will often have a yellow front face. http://xs-led.com/upload/200962618590219.jpg (http://xs-led.com/upload/200962618590219.jpg)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 06 January 2014, 20:34:06
Thank you--I'm looking at intensity distribution at various angles now.  Looks like all the flat LEDs without any dispersion plastic on top (rectangular slabs or spherical) have a spherical light distribution like this:

[attachimg=1]

Not a very wide range of viewing angles.  On the other hand, the openings in the case some distance away from the LEDs will serve as limiting apertures, so that distribution is probably good enough.  Lots to explore now!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Fri, 10 January 2014, 20:39:01
About LEDs:

The PLCC-2 size corresponds to the 3528 (3.5mm by 2.8mm), so search by either / both when finding LEDs.

The red LEDs are likely flowing about 8 mA over it, this means with a 470 ohm resistor, a white LED (what I will be using) will flow about 3.5 mA. This is important to calculate the brightness.

So searching for LEDs is fun,a s the LED size is not necessarily the same as the case size. Even if it's designed for the same solderpads as the rest of the PLCC-2 chips, a lot of LEDs overhanga bit.

Still, given a circular hole over the solder pad area, I think I'm going to go with this OSRAM LED (only partially because of their awesome datasheet) http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/OSRAM-Opto-Semiconductors/LW-T6SG-V2BA-JKPL-ZI/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvyj6n1w4pZD4dKFgDKInlf77CN6aUClfM%3d

Looking at said datasheet, the Vf / If curve balances against the supply voltage / resistance characteristics at about 2.8Vf / 5mA If. Looking at the datasheet (http://catalog.osram-os.com/catalogue/catalogue.do;jsessionid=47FB0B9F38AB68E6DA09C48D64C9A1CF?act=downloadFile&favOid=0200000700018bb6000200b6) this means it'll output about 0.3 the rated Lm, as it's designed for 20mA of current.

Now what about brightness? Since semiconductor doping is still less precise a process than we would hope, they have to test the output for colour and brightness. This is called "binning" the LED, and they sort them by some characteristics into groups or bins. The linked product spans a few brightness bins and colour bins.
LW T6SG-V2BA-JKPL-ZI
Product line: LW T6SG
Brightness bin range: V2 to BA (brighter LEDs)
Colour range: JK to PL (a bit cooler colour temp)
package type: ZI (I think this is PLCC-2 instead of TOPLED, but I'm still not sure).

This corresponds to a brightness of 900-1800 mcd or 3030-6060 mlm (3-6 lm). Operating it at 0.25 power results in .9 - 1.8 lm
---
bright enough for me.

Here's the radiation characteristic graph (I like the half polar half rectilinear form of it also)
(http://i.imgur.com/tmVVzQ4.png)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 13 January 2014, 11:22:51
These are going to be so awesome. Wish I was getting one, but Sherryton wouldn't sell me one (stopped replying to my PMs and emails when I had payment ready)

Maybe someone wants to trade me one + some cash for and LZ-FE
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Altuz on Tue, 14 January 2014, 16:02:06
Any news on when it will be shipped? :/
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: mousesony on Wed, 15 January 2014, 18:50:39
Any news on when it will be shipped? :/

never sherry got our money and escaped to asia
loljk im optimistic it will at least be shipped by the end of the month
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Altuz on Sat, 18 January 2014, 04:08:53
Any news on when it will be shipped? :/

never sherry got our money and escaped to asia
loljk im optimistic it will at least be shipped by the end of the month

Haha, I wasn't doubting anyone, just that the lack of info is making me nervous. Even if it is delayed for longer I don't mind, I just want to be informed.

Just got an email from originative saying my LightSaver had now been shipped!
Can't wait :D
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 18 January 2014, 14:34:15
I've received the same e-mail.  While I'm very excited, I'm also slightly confused, as I thought we could add stuff to our orders to combine shipping: like stabilizers (and maybe a few blockers).
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Sat, 18 January 2014, 15:43:19
I think shipping difference refunds have yet to happen. But I'm pretty sure they will happen.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: elton5354 on Sat, 18 January 2014, 16:15:31
Kind of OT, but check this out..

http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=36955&mid=board_dAHG88

(http://cfile7.uf.tistory.com/image/2607804F52DA5F9C16B21A)

It's called the Saver as well :S
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 18 January 2014, 16:19:28
It's very nice though more standard TKL-style :)  I'm partial to the original LightSaver for the more unique layout possibilities and look.  I do like that case style for the Viper though, very much.  It's great that Duck has a very stylish and identifiable line of keyboards now--they are all unique but very Duck.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: redskull on Sun, 19 January 2014, 07:18:54
Kind of OT, but check this out..

http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=36955&mid=board_dAHG88

Show Image
(http://cfile7.uf.tistory.com/image/2607804F52DA5F9C16B21A)


It's called the Saver as well :S
hope there will be a gb organized here for this. quite interested in it, but with other color options.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: LechnerDE on Sun, 19 January 2014, 08:02:10
Kind of OT, but check this out..

http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=36955&mid=board_dAHG88

Show Image
(http://cfile7.uf.tistory.com/image/2607804F52DA5F9C16B21A)


It's called the Saver as well :S
hope there will be a gb organized here for this. quite interested in it, but with other color options.

Yeah, me too. I skipped the Lightsaver because I wasn't 100% convinced of the layout. A standard TKL board on the other hand would be perfect.

The only thing that is bugging me is the angle of the board. I prefer a flat case...
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 19 January 2014, 22:15:23
Kind of OT, but check this out..

http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=36955&mid=board_dAHG88

Show Image
(http://cfile7.uf.tistory.com/image/2607804F52DA5F9C16B21A)


It's called the Saver as well :S
hope there will be a gb organized here for this. quite interested in it, but with other color options.

Yeah, me too. I skipped the Lightsaver because I wasn't 100% convinced of the layout. A standard TKL board on the other hand would be perfect.

The only thing that is bugging me is the angle of the board. I prefer a flat case...

So, I was thinking about that as well, but with the PCB mounting to the inside of the upper case, the bottom half is just a "stand" or a riser, so you can have a completely flat case if you remove it.

I'll be using mine at my standing desk most likely, where a raised case doesn't affect me much.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 19 January 2014, 22:52:27
I was under the impression that the LightSaver's case is all one piece--tray-style.  It's other designs, such as Saver Limited, Viper, and the latest TKL Saver that have the separate top cover.  Unless you're talking specifically about the TKL LightSaver.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Lastpilot on Sun, 19 January 2014, 23:20:10
Wow elton, kinda want that too now. :D
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: elton5354 on Sun, 19 January 2014, 23:38:20
It seems like you can have an acrylic bottom side on the TKL Saver (Now named Orion) if you want your bottom flat ;)

(http://kbdlab.co.kr/d/files/attach/images/340/717/024/3716c190023272441580a0777e396b3d.JPG)
(http://kbdlab.co.kr/d/files/attach/images/340/717/024/daf6ced873d368c38f919b7eaf57914a.JPG)

http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_Lsno50&page=2&document_srl=24717
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 19 January 2014, 23:53:27
Good stuff  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Pacifist on Sun, 19 January 2014, 23:53:33
It seems like you can have an acrylic bottom side on the TKL Saver (Now named Orion) if you want your bottom flat ;)

Show Image
(http://kbdlab.co.kr/d/files/attach/images/340/717/024/3716c190023272441580a0777e396b3d.JPG)

Show Image
(http://kbdlab.co.kr/d/files/attach/images/340/717/024/daf6ced873d368c38f919b7eaf57914a.JPG)


http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_Lsno50&page=2&document_srl=24717

That's pretty trippy

thought for a sec that the riser was on the pcb
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 20 January 2014, 03:09:58
I think the top might be stainless steel. If that's the case, then I really want one.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: LechnerDE on Mon, 20 January 2014, 03:28:00
Thanks for
It seems like you can have an acrylic bottom side on the TKL Saver (Now named Orion) if you want your bottom flat ;)

Show Image
(http://kbdlab.co.kr/d/files/attach/images/340/717/024/3716c190023272441580a0777e396b3d.JPG)

Show Image
(http://kbdlab.co.kr/d/files/attach/images/340/717/024/daf6ced873d368c38f919b7eaf57914a.JPG)


http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_Lsno50&page=2&document_srl=24717

Thanks for these pics! So one actually has a choice whether to use the bottom part or not!

Now I am even more interested in the new TKL board by Duck.

@ Sherry

Do you have any plans to offer a GB for the TKL board as well?

Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Dsan on Mon, 20 January 2014, 14:09:40
Kind of OT, but check this out..

http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=36955&mid=board_dAHG88

Show Image
(http://cfile7.uf.tistory.com/image/2607804F52DA5F9C16B21A)


It's called the Saver as well :S

Wow,that's stunning! 
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: elton5354 on Mon, 20 January 2014, 21:42:21
They already have a GB for the Orion in Korea

http://kbd4u.com/product/detail.html?product_no=29&cate_no=1&display_group=2#none
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Tue, 21 January 2014, 00:09:36
They already have a GB for the Orion in Korea

http://kbd4u.com/product/detail.html?product_no=29&cate_no=1&display_group=2#none

Yeah but it's 100,000 won (roughly $100) more than the lightsaber cost. I'll wait for the viper, myself.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: jonathanyu on Thu, 23 January 2014, 00:17:01
http://kbdmod.com/product/detail.html?product_no=39&cate_no=24&display_group=1 (http://kbdmod.com/product/detail.html?product_no=39&cate_no=24&display_group=1)
just found that there is a keyboard that has a similar design with lightsaver...
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Thu, 23 January 2014, 08:16:43
http://kbdmod.com/product/detail.html?product_no=39&cate_no=24&display_group=1 (http://kbdmod.com/product/detail.html?product_no=39&cate_no=24&display_group=1)
just found that there is a keyboard that has a similar design with lightsaver...
Looks more like a KMAC to me. Nice backlighting though.

edit: just wanted to respond here to another post. I know the name of the keyboard: It's on the title of the page that was linked. What I'm saying is that it looks like a KMAC to me. In that the construction and design paradigms are very similar.

I wasn't saying that it is a KMAC.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: phoenix1234 on Thu, 23 January 2014, 19:03:05
http://kbdmod.com/product/detail.html?product_no=39&cate_no=24&display_group=1 (http://kbdmod.com/product/detail.html?product_no=39&cate_no=24&display_group=1)
just found that there is a keyboard that has a similar design with lightsaver...
Looks more like a KMAC to me. Nice backlighting though.

I think it is the KBDMod M5-92
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 23 January 2014, 19:18:07
I prefer Duck's LightSaver to that one.  Thicker rectangular borders are much nicer, in my opinion versus that thin rounded tray.  And of course the neat sculpted sides with LED holes.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: taylordcraig on Fri, 24 January 2014, 16:17:43
I'm loving that case. I like the thing ronded aluminum more than the fat bezels. The stripe of lighting around the side is pretty tight. $400 though?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 24 January 2014, 22:02:28
LightSaver photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/115329034@N04/sets/72157640117516876/) ;)

Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 24 January 2014, 22:04:39
These look so awesome!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: digi on Fri, 24 January 2014, 22:25:34
LightSaver photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/115329034@N04/sets/72157640117516876/) ;)



Beautiful! Can't wait to see it put together.

Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: phoenix1234 on Fri, 24 January 2014, 23:31:52
LightSaver photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/115329034@N04/sets/72157640117516876/) ;)

Photoelectric , it's awesome as your other  keyboards :thumb:
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: bianco on Sat, 25 January 2014, 01:41:37
LightSaver photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/115329034@N04/sets/72157640117516876/) ;)



awesome pictures. thank you for sharing.
i'm quite excited for mine!
would anyone know what are the specs for the LEDs for the switches?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Altuz on Sat, 25 January 2014, 08:17:26
I've received mine!

Sadly I forgot to buy a very important component, the soldering tools! :x

Will have to delay the assembly for a while :(
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 25 January 2014, 11:43:19
Hey guys,

Do I need PCB-mount or can I use plate-mounted Cherry stabilizers for this kit?

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2878/12126309353_b90cf4ec80_h.jpg)

I've only used the PCB variety before for another kit, and don't have a good idea whether the plate cut outs are too large here for the plate-mounted type.  /noob question...
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: codyeatworld on Sat, 25 January 2014, 13:55:32
I had no idea these were shipping...
I love seeing your photos! It looks like PCB cherry only. My poker 2 plate inserts look a bit different.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: jonathanyu on Sat, 25 January 2014, 14:56:54
Hey guys,

Do I need PCB-mount or can I use plate-mounted Cherry stabilizers for this kit?

Show Image
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2878/12126309353_b90cf4ec80_h.jpg)


I've only used the PCB variety before for another kit, and don't have a good idea whether the plate cut outs are too large here for the plate-mounted type.  /noob question...

From what I see in the picture, it needs pcb mount stab
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Sat, 25 January 2014, 21:01:26
Hey guys,

Do I need PCB-mount or can I use plate-mounted Cherry stabilizers for this kit?

Show Image
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2878/12126309353_b90cf4ec80_h.jpg)


I've only used the PCB variety before for another kit, and don't have a good idea whether the plate cut outs are too large here for the plate-mounted type.  /noob question...

From what I see in the picture, it needs pcb mount stab

agreed: looks like cherry PCB to me as well.

I cant wait for mine to arrive!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: redskull on Sun, 26 January 2014, 05:13:19
LightSaver photos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/115329034@N04/sets/72157640117516876/) ;)
so much awesome sir!

and dat packaging... i would say it should be like a global-standard or something for sending stuffs.  :D
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: mousesony on Sun, 26 January 2014, 14:44:59
Stupid question but how do you turn the led's on? I've only soldered in the tab button and wanted to make sure things were working but none of the led's turn on when my computer turns on. The button works though. I feel like Im missing something that is common knowledge here.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 26 January 2014, 17:00:35
Stupid question but how do you turn the led's on? I've only soldered in the tab button and wanted to make sure things were working but none of the led's turn on when my computer turns on. The button works though. I feel like Im missing something that is common knowledge here.
I'd take a look at the default firmware (downloadable from kbdlab) and see what the default LED control button is, then solder / bridge that.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: mousesony on Mon, 27 January 2014, 20:23:15
So the led control by default is the top right most button plus 1 through 5. The button to the top right side of backspace turns the lights on the bottom of the pcb on and off and so does the led toggle + 5.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Altuz on Tue, 28 January 2014, 06:57:59
guys i tried programming the board, but it says "AtLibUsbDfu.dll not found"  any idea why?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Grendel on Tue, 28 January 2014, 12:35:57
While the DFU boot loader is active, go to the device manager. If there is a device w/ an exclamation mark, click it and do a manual driver install from the the Flip/usb directory.

Wonder what happened to my LightSaver. Haven't heard anything and order status is still unfulfilled. :(
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: joneslee85 on Tue, 28 January 2014, 15:48:31
@sherryton I received the LightSaber v1.0.1 today yet there is no plate included, am I missing something here?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 28 January 2014, 16:03:40
You will probably get in touch with Sherry faster by sending an e-mail to Originative directly.   I think he's still traveling, but he's answered my e-mails.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Altuz on Tue, 28 January 2014, 16:48:09
While the DFU boot loader is active, go to the device manager. If there is a device w/ an exclamation mark, click it and do a manual driver install from the the Flip/usb directory.

Wonder what happened to my LightSaver. Haven't heard anything and order status is still unfulfilled. :(

How do you get into the DFU mode? :)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Grendel on Tue, 28 January 2014, 18:36:48
Good question for the Duck mini it appears you press and hold caps lock (?) while plugging the board into a USB port (ref (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fduck0113.tistory.com%2Fcategory%2FDuck%2520mini%2520firmware).) Need to dig a bit more...
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Altuz on Sun, 02 February 2014, 08:22:58
Good question for the Duck mini it appears you press and hold caps lock (?) while plugging the board into a USB port (ref (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fduck0113.tistory.com%2Fcategory%2FDuck%2520mini%2520firmware).) Need to dig a bit more...


Hmmm, doesn't seem to work for me :/

Anyone else tried it?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 16 February 2014, 21:21:44
Can't seem to get into the bootloader either.  Already have Flip driver installed from the days when I had a Filco with an HID Liberation device with the same ATMega32u4 controller, but just in case I've reinstalled the driver.  Holding Caps Lock and plugging in USB cable doesn't get me into the bootloader.  I'm wondering if it's another combination for this keyboard (like hasu's firmware used both Shifts + Pause).
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: mousesony on Sun, 16 February 2014, 21:28:45
http://duck0113.tistory.com/82
I haven't messed around with it yet but note the "flip" key
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 16 February 2014, 21:38:49
[attachimg=1]

Okay, took me a few attempts for some reason, where the new hex file wouldn't get programmed, as seen above.  But it finally worked!  So if you see that--don't give up!  The Flip key appears to be the one above Backspace (the right one).
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Grendel on Sun, 16 February 2014, 22:46:45
Makes me wonder when I'm getting my kit... :(
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 16 February 2014, 23:31:05
Added more information to the first post here:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53942.msg1206869#msg1206869

with some notes about programming.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: witbliz on Sat, 22 February 2014, 10:40:37
Would like to buy a LightSaver. Anybody able to share with me the method of obtaining one or if these is still extra's in this group buy ?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 22 February 2014, 10:42:00
I'd email Originative using the address indicated on their website.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: witbliz on Sat, 22 February 2014, 12:00:49
Thank you :)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Michael on Sat, 22 February 2014, 20:14:35
Where is my LightSaver, Sherry?


(http://i.imgur.com/fkLF9.gif)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: digi on Thu, 20 March 2014, 17:01:39
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Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Kildras on Sun, 13 April 2014, 00:29:44
ok I hope I am not breaking any rules here.

I really love the design of the lightsaver, however it appears I would need to do the assembly, is this correct?

I have no experience in doing soldering (funny because I just got into the PCB industry, just not the factory) and I don't want to mess up anything.

it says:
The Light Saver includes the following:

Aluminum Housing
Plate
PCB
Accessories

What are the accessories?

Does it not include the cherry switches, keycaps and LEDs then?
And would I also need to get soldering machine?
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Grendel on Sun, 13 April 2014, 02:16:44
I wonder. Didn't get them :( Probably screws and rubber feet.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 13 April 2014, 21:40:43
I wonder. Didn't get them :( Probably screws and rubber feet.

I didn't either, but it's ok(for me). Screws are 5mm M2, I will mail you some if you like. I don't like feet so I went without them.

Kildras, You will need to add your own LEDs and switches. I will assemble yours if you like.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Kildras on Tue, 15 April 2014, 08:51:50
I wonder. Didn't get them :( Probably screws and rubber feet.

I didn't either, but it's ok(for me). Screws are 5mm M2, I will mail you some if you like. I don't like feet so I went without them.

Kildras, You will need to add your own LEDs and switches. I will assemble yours if you like.
oh that would be really nice.
but I think it will be very troublesome for you as I don't have anything (except some clear caps I have for my ducky shine 2) other than a design in mind and I am not sure do I have the time to do all the LED, switches purchasing.

I even don't live in the US so it probably will be very troublesome for you :(

I think maybe I will have to go for a Gon keyboard since it will come with assembly (with a big fee)

Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: karazi on Fri, 18 April 2014, 12:24:39
I am really interested in this keyboard.  Does anyone use it professionally for Excel and/or programming?  I use the arrow keys a lot as an Excel geek, moving around cells and such, will I have to put numlock on and use 8/4/6/2?  That seems a little clunky since I would have to toggle numlock on/off often since I use both arrows and keypad a lot.  I also use Delete, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn, P/B, and Print Scrn a lot... I take it since this is a programmable kb I will be able to lay those out per my needs?  Probably in the cluster above the numpad, and two above backspace.  Other than that it looks amazing...but maybe I just need to stick to traditional layout with discrete arrow keys since I use them often?  Ideas/advice appreciate, as this is really a beautiful kb i would love to use professionally.  If anything maybe I will get one for home use if not practical professionally.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 18 April 2014, 12:47:10
I am really interested in this keyboard.  Does anyone use it professionally for Excel and/or programming?  I use the arrow keys a lot as an Excel geek, moving around cells and such, will I have to put numlock on and use 8/4/6/2?  That seems a little clunky since I would have to toggle numlock on/off often since I use both arrows and keypad a lot.  I also use Delete, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn, P/B, and Print Scrn a lot... I take it since this is a programmable kb I will be able to lay those out per my needs?  Probably in the cluster above the numpad, and two above backspace.  Other than that it looks amazing...but maybe I just need to stick to traditional layout with discrete arrow keys since I use them often?  Ideas/advice appreciate, as this is really a beautiful kb i would love to use professionally.  If anything maybe I will get one for home use if not practical professionally.

Just use this layout:

(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/288/186/191/27e3c7920d7891afd5f98318c8ae2c3c.jpg)

(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/288/186/191/dc6efe06220508372d2ccf574b3ad870.jpg)

This thread is dead by the way. Check out the ongoing GB:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56877.0
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: karazi on Fri, 18 April 2014, 12:49:40
Thank you, much appreciated, will migrate to the new thread.  Can't get those two pics you posted to load, really interested in seeing your recommended layout though.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 18 April 2014, 12:50:38
Been compiling information here:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53942.0

I can't comment on the numpad use, because I never got used to using it and just touch-type on the number row.  Not as efficient probably, but I don't use Excel much.  Otherwise, it's a bit of a learning curve to get used to the key spacing for the function row and the arrow cluster, but I'm mostly used to it now.
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 18 April 2014, 12:51:25
Thank you, much appreciated, will migrate to the new thread.  Can't get those two pics you posted to load, really interested in seeing your recommended layout though.

What do you mean by "can't get the pics"? Don't they load?

Here are the direct links:

http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/288/186/191/27e3c7920d7891afd5f98318c8ae2c3c.jpg

http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/288/186/191/dc6efe06220508372d2ccf574b3ad870.jpg
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: karazi on Fri, 18 April 2014, 12:57:01
Been compiling information here:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53942.0

I can't comment on the numpad use, because I never got used to using it and just touch-type on the number row.  Not as efficient probably, but I don't use Excel much.  Otherwise, it's a bit of a learning curve to get used to the key spacing for the function row and the arrow cluster, but I'm mostly used to it now.

That link is great, thank you!  I think I could get used to the function row spacing...it's just a sexy keyboard.


Thank you, much appreciated, will migrate to the new thread.  Can't get those two pics you posted to load, really interested in seeing your recommended layout though.

What do you mean by "can't get the pics"? Don't they load?

Here are the direct links:

http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/288/186/191/27e3c7920d7891afd5f98318c8ae2c3c.jpg

http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/288/186/191/dc6efe06220508372d2ccf574b3ad870.jpg

The links are not loading for me unfortunately.  Is there any other place these pics are hosted? :\ Thanks
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: LechnerDE on Fri, 18 April 2014, 13:00:58
I re-hosted them for you :)

(http://i.imgur.com/Ti1rtZM.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/jpoCPOi.jpg)
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: karazi on Sat, 19 April 2014, 22:44:31
Thank you!  Really appreciate you hosting them.  Interesting layout - could be a good starting point for me.  The other thread has some great layouts too, hopefully I can map this keyboard for everything I need.  Thanks!
Title: Re: LightSaver by Duck
Post by: elton5354 on Sat, 19 April 2014, 23:06:29
That layout is only available for the V2 though
Title: Re: Post your LightSaver keyboard photos!
Post by: ranker on Sun, 20 April 2014, 10:05:10
In case anyone wants to know for whatever reason.  I'm a person who purchased one of these kits from Originativeco.  It was my very first keyboard transaction, and not a very pleasant experience as the owner of that website is super hard to get ahold of.  I had to cold call him a thousand times.  It was easy because I was excited and looking forward to receiving it, but the effort to get this thing kind of killed it for me so it's just sitting on my desk at home.  Mine came with the PCB board, the metal plate and the bottom portion of the case, which I believe is the only casing it uses because the top is completely covered by the keycaps. 

I'm still new to keyboards, so I haven't actually done anything with it yet.  My plan was to use it as a learning project, but after reading some of these posts dealing with the firmware etc, I'm a little intimidated to start with soldering in the LEDs although this site has been super helpful with precise info to order everything. 

If I can fetch a premium for the kit, I'd be willing to sell it...but I have to get some type of premium for it because I must have used 20 hours of time in calling this company to get this thing...haha.  I'm kind of kidding.  In all seriousness, I'm open to offers, but not in a hurry to sell it.  It doesn't have any scratches or any damage whatsoever.  Perfect condition and never used/installed/attempted anything, etc.

I'm contemplating ordering the second GB..not sure yet though.
Title: Re: Re: Post your LightSaver keyboard photos!
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 20 April 2014, 13:30:14
In case anyone wants to know for whatever reason.  I'm a person who purchased one of these kits from Originativeco.  It was my very first keyboard transaction, and not a very pleasant experience as the owner of that website is super hard to get ahold of.  I had to cold call him a thousand times.  It was easy because I was excited and looking forward to receiving it, but the effort to get this thing kind of killed it for me so it's just sitting on my desk at home.  Mine came with the PCB board, the metal plate and the bottom portion of the case, which I believe is the only casing it uses because the top is completely covered by the keycaps. 

I'm still new to keyboards, so I haven't actually done anything with it yet.  My plan was to use it as a learning project, but after reading some of these posts dealing with the firmware etc, I'm a little intimidated to start with soldering in the LEDs although this site has been super helpful with precise info to order everything. 

If I can fetch a premium for the kit, I'd be willing to sell it...but I have to get some type of premium for it because I must have used 20 hours of time in calling this company to get this thing...haha.  I'm kind of kidding.  In all seriousness, I'm open to offers, but not in a hurry to sell it.  It doesn't have any scratches or any damage whatsoever.  Perfect condition and never used/installed/attempted anything, etc.

I'm contemplating ordering the second GB..not sure yet though.

You can do it! we are here to help. This would make a great starter project to learn on because it's very forgiving of mistakes and hard to mess up. It's a great KB when you're done.
Title: Re: Re: Post your LightSaver keyboard photos!
Post by: elton5354 on Sun, 20 April 2014, 13:34:34
In case anyone wants to know for whatever reason.  I'm a person who purchased one of these kits from Originativeco.  It was my very first keyboard transaction, and not a very pleasant experience as the owner of that website is super hard to get ahold of.  I had to cold call him a thousand times.  It was easy because I was excited and looking forward to receiving it, but the effort to get this thing kind of killed it for me so it's just sitting on my desk at home.  Mine came with the PCB board, the metal plate and the bottom portion of the case, which I believe is the only casing it uses because the top is completely covered by the keycaps. 

I'm still new to keyboards, so I haven't actually done anything with it yet.  My plan was to use it as a learning project, but after reading some of these posts dealing with the firmware etc, I'm a little intimidated to start with soldering in the LEDs although this site has been super helpful with precise info to order everything. 

If I can fetch a premium for the kit, I'd be willing to sell it...but I have to get some type of premium for it because I must have used 20 hours of time in calling this company to get this thing...haha.  I'm kind of kidding.  In all seriousness, I'm open to offers, but not in a hurry to sell it.  It doesn't have any scratches or any damage whatsoever.  Perfect condition and never used/installed/attempted anything, etc.

I'm contemplating ordering the second GB..not sure yet though.

I'll take it for $295