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microsoft ergo layout
Findecanor:
If you want mechanical:
Cloud 9: Commercial, full-size, fully split. Limited tenting. Looks fat.
Type K: Premium custom kit. 60% "Alice" layout but tented. Still in Interest Check stage.
KBDFans Mountain Ergo. Also premium custom 60% kit. Alice-like layout but not exact. Group buy in progress.
Or ... get a fully-split flat keyboard such as the a Dygma Raise, Kinesis Freestyle Pro, "Ultimate Hacking Keyboard" or similar and build something yourself that adds tenting, wrist rest and negative incline.
Alice is one piece and flat.
mrninhvn:
--- Quote from: Findecanor on Mon, 12 July 2021, 11:59:32 ---If you want mechanical:
Cloud 9: Commercial, full-size, fully split. Limited tenting. Looks fat.
Type K: Premium custom kit. 60% "Alice" layout but tented. Still in Interest Check stage.
KBDFans Mountain Ergo. Also premium custom 60% kit. Alice-like layout but not exact. Group buy in progress.
Or ... get a fully-split flat keyboard such as the a Dygma Raise, Kinesis Freestyle Pro, "Ultimate Hacking Keyboard" or similar and build something yourself that adds tenting, wrist rest and negative incline.
Alice is one piece and flat.
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Hmm alice layout doesn't curve all columns like Microsoft keyboard
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nevin:
the microsoft & logitech are just a split standard staggered that arch up in the middle
there are ones that have columnar stagger (keeb.io iris & many others)
there are ones that have columnar stagger as well as finger separation x-bows (but no middle arch)
closest you're probably going to get without building one form scratch or buying a microsoft & logitech is to do a split keyboard and tent them so the centers are higher than the outsides.
i've run my split board this way for a while and it's different to get used to but is prertty unique/interesting.
- also, if you have separation between the two halves of a split keyboard you won't want/need the angle (... alice... top edges pointing inwards)
mrninhvn:
--- Quote from: nevin on Mon, 12 July 2021, 12:08:10 ---the microsoft & logitech are just a split standard staggered that arch up in the middle
there are ones that have columnar stagger (keeb.io iris & many others)
there are ones that have columnar stagger as well as finger separation x-bows (but no middle arch)
closest you're probably going to get without building one form scratch or buying a microsoft & logitech is to do a split keyboard and tent them so the centers are higher than the outsides.
i've run my split board this way for a while and it's different to get used to but is prertty unique/interesting.
- also, if you have separation between the two halves of a split keyboard you won't want/need the angle (... alice... top edges pointing inwards)
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It's not just split, it's curved
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nevin:
--- Quote ---It's not just split, it's curved
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yes, those two production keyboards are about the only two in existence that are like that.
Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 (old, not in production anymore as far as i know)
Microsoft - Ergonomic Keyboard (low profile)
Logitech - ERGO K860 Ergonomic
.... they're not as "curved" as you think.
the x-bowes has the "curved" finger separation, and most report it as uncomfortable.
the other option is columnar stagger (a.k.a. the better "curve" for finger length)
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