Author Topic: Round 5 Doubleshot Honeywell Sphericals (Read 118582 times)

Belfong · « **Reply #100 on:** Thu, 14 November 2013, 04:09:28 »

I have an invoice of around $200. And then I managed to grab my hands on a TKL R4 from someone else - and I really like the R4 SPH - so since I spent money on the R4, I decided to take away the black/red kit and just go for basic R5 - and my order came down to $100. I am happy.

I also thought that the GB will run till end of the month. It's just that if you ordered by today, which is the birthday of 7bit, you get a 5% rebate.

AKmalamute · « **Reply #101 on:** Thu, 14 November 2013, 11:48:51 »

Quote from: Belfong on Thu, 14 November 2013, 04:09:28

I also thought that the GB will run till end of the month. It's just that if you ordered by today, which is the birthday of 7bit, you get a 5% rebate.

So, not so much of a savings. I only want about $29 worth, and could trim that, too. A red shift, a blue backspace, and the Dvorak kit.

Although maybe I better hurry up and order just to make sure the dvorak kit makes the cut.

GeeNDL82 · « **Reply #102 on:** Thu, 14 November 2013, 13:25:52 »

yes. 7bit always send to us alot of option. When we look on these kits, we always want to buy them all.

7bit · « **Reply #103 on:** Thu, 14 November 2013, 14:42:31 »

Quote from: GeeNDL82 on Thu, 14 November 2013, 04:01:35

7bit said tomorrow he will close GB for R5, and spend 2 weeks for collecting payment. But i hope he can change his mind >.<

So, anybody want to order please join quickly

I lost 408$ for R5

Erhem:
The deadline today is for payment with 5% CherryMX 30th anniversary rebate.

After that, you can still order and pay, but you will not get the 5% rebate.

Halvar · « **Reply #104 on:** Sat, 16 November 2013, 04:09:02 »

We're at 75% of MOQ now.

Some inspirational graphics follow (just a very small part of what there is).
Source: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_5

Elrick · « **Reply #105 on:** Sat, 16 November 2013, 21:32:59 »

Quote from: Halvar on Sat, 16 November 2013, 04:09:02

We're at 75% of MOQ now.

Some inspirational graphics follow (just a very small part of what there is).
Source: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_5

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When I saw this rendition I was hooked. Placed some orders at DT straight away.

I think this Group Buy is going to sink me deeply because there's too much additions that are available. Who would think that within the Honeywell layout you could choose so many extras to cover all sorts of keyboards.

hashbaz · « **Reply #106 on:** Sat, 16 November 2013, 22:37:33 »

Here's what I'm planning to do:

Shadovved · « **Reply #107 on:** Sat, 16 November 2013, 22:40:25 »

I think the 1.5x mods for black is missing? There's only the apple variant......

hashbaz · « **Reply #108 on:** Sat, 16 November 2013, 22:54:09 »

Quote from: Shadovved on Sat, 16 November 2013, 22:40:25

I think the 1.5x mods for black is missing? There's only the apple variant......

HONEY/MOD150/BLACK (Modifier 1.5 units black kit | $14)

metalliqaz · « **Reply #109 on:** Sat, 16 November 2013, 23:10:27 »

Quote from: hashbaz on Sat, 16 November 2013, 22:54:09

Quote from: Shadovved on Sat, 16 November 2013, 22:40:25
I think the 1.5x mods for black is missing? There's only the apple variant......

HONEY/MOD150/BLACK (Modifier 1.5 units black kit | $14)
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He added it a few days ago thanks to my complaining :)

Elrick · « **Reply #110 on:** Sat, 16 November 2013, 23:48:05 »

Quote from: hashbaz on Sat, 16 November 2013, 22:37:33

Here's what I'm planning to do:

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Nice setup there, I might even copy yours for an 1800 layout. Sorry to be so devoid of any original ideas but that's what happens when you swim in muck all day/night long.

Just glad we have those here who are willing to show and tell. Like I said before I am sorry for ripping off your original design layout for these key-caps :-[ .

metalliqaz · « **Reply #111 on:** Sat, 16 November 2013, 23:50:13 »

Well, all of it is inspired by old Honeywell terminals

hashbaz · « **Reply #112 on:** Sun, 17 November 2013, 00:06:53 »

Haha yeah nothing terribly original about my layout. Steal away Elrick!

Shadovved · « **Reply #113 on:** Sun, 17 November 2013, 00:26:23 »

Quote from: hashbaz on Sat, 16 November 2013, 22:54:09

Quote from: Shadovved on Sat, 16 November 2013, 22:40:25
I think the 1.5x mods for black is missing? There's only the apple variant......

HONEY/MOD150/BLACK (Modifier 1.5 units black kit | $14)
Show Image

AHHA. It wasnt there the other day! ;D

Thanks hashbaz, and qaz for complaining :thumb:

Elrick · « **Reply #114 on:** Sun, 17 November 2013, 02:59:49 »

Quote from: hashbaz on Sun, 17 November 2013, 00:06:53

Haha yeah nothing terribly original about my layout. Steal away Elrick!

You Sir are a Scholar and a Gentleman Dear Hashbaz. Thank you for allowing me to swipe your customized layout because it shall be used on at least one 1800 keyboard.

bvtton · « **Reply #115 on:** Sun, 17 November 2013, 15:15:19 »

Wish there was a R4 1.00 unit del keycap for the MiniLa

tbc · « **Reply #116 on:** Sun, 17 November 2013, 22:44:21 »

you just need to give up hope on finding replacement keycaps for the minila. seriously. you have a long life ahead of you; do not waste it on that effort lol.

stoic-lemon · « **Reply #117 on:** Mon, 18 November 2013, 01:58:12 »

Nope. Looks like his wish came true.

bvtton · « **Reply #118 on:** Mon, 18 November 2013, 12:37:32 »

The only key I'm missing to complete the MiniLa replacement keycaps is an R1 backspace, I asked for the R4 DEL keycap at DT and 7bit was kind enough to add it

stoic-lemon · « **Reply #119 on:** Tue, 19 November 2013, 05:03:39 »

I've been thinking keys for my GH60 using the Samwisekoi layout, but I'm having trouble with the 2.25 L_SHIFT, which I'd like to be R4 since I've gone for the red alphas. It looks like I will have to live with an R3 key in that position. Will it look simply terrible?

Still very much a work in progress, but in the spirit of sharing.

metalliqaz · « **Reply #120 on:** Tue, 19 November 2013, 10:57:36 »

I'd really love to go nuts, but my invoice was out of control. I cut it down to the basic layout with a red Esc and red Return.

gh_pp · « **Reply #121 on:** Wed, 20 November 2013, 03:40:36 »

Ordered. Damn just keycap this month cost me over $400 ...

piraterice · « **Reply #122 on:** Wed, 20 November 2013, 05:44:50 »

it looks good, but i have heard that makingt the set will last a long long time

SpAmRaY · « **Reply #123 on:** Wed, 20 November 2013, 07:06:46 »

Quote from: piraterice on Wed, 20 November 2013, 05:44:50

it looks good, but i have heard that makingt the set will last a long long time

Yeah Round 5 means 5 years

kfmfe04 · « **Reply #124 on:** Thu, 21 November 2013, 01:37:01 »

Simply Amazing! It's going to take me a week just to figure out which options I want (gotta hurry EOM deadline).

This will prolly be my first GB.

kfmfe04 · « **Reply #125 on:** Thu, 21 November 2013, 01:59:11 »

hmm... ...what is the spacebar size on a Filco TKL?

Is it 6.25?

And are the cursor keys R3?

Halvar · « **Reply #126 on:** Thu, 21 November 2013, 03:19:37 »

Yes and yes.

1) See http://deskthority.net/wiki/Spacebar
2) See the FAQ on the groupbuy wiki page: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Round_5#From_which_rows_will_be_the_keys.3F

Other than that, I'd say better ask further questions on DT. 7bit doesn't read/post on GH.

Elrick · « **Reply #127 on:** Thu, 21 November 2013, 04:20:33 »

Quote from: kfmfe04 on Thu, 21 November 2013, 01:37:01

Simply Amazing! It's going to take me a week just to figure out which options I want (gotta hurry EOM deadline).

This will prolly be my first GB.

Don't worry 7bit will take care of you. He's okay to trust when you're doing your absolute FIRST Group Buy. Don't forget to read all the notes at DT regarding this GB. You'll get all the answers there regarding any questions you might have

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kfmfe04 · « **Reply #128 on:** Thu, 21 November 2013, 08:41:58 »

Thanks for the encouragement!

I will ask 7bit on DT how to build a set that will work with:
87 TKL Filco (have)
104 Filco (may buy in the future)
ergodox (plan to buy)
HHKB pro 2 (plan to buy)

This will prolly be a bigger order than I originally intended but I don't want to regret not having a set in the future.

Belfong · « **Reply #129 on:** Thu, 21 November 2013, 08:50:04 »

I know it will not work with HHKB for sure because it's a different switch.

kfmfe04 · « **Reply #130 on:** Thu, 21 November 2013, 08:59:15 »

Quote from: Belfong on Thu, 21 November 2013, 08:50:04

I know it will not work with HHKB for sure because it's a different switch.

Ah... ...ty - suspected that it would not work - thx for the confirmation

metalliqaz · « **Reply #131 on:** Thu, 21 November 2013, 09:25:55 »

87 TKL Filco (have) - Standard, TKLESS, and TKL all work for this. don't forget to buy 625 spacebar!
104 Filco (may buy in the future) - Standard sets work for this. don't forget to buy 625 spacebar!
ergodox (plan to buy) - you have to buy the ERGODOX kit, obviously
HHKB pro 2 (plan to buy) - This is TOPRE keyboard, the keycaps are for Cherry MX

Photoelectric · « **Reply #132 on:** Thu, 21 November 2013, 17:56:19 »

Just so I understand this profile layout: the 1.25x modifier row (Ctrl row) will be Row 3-profile, right?

Just looking at 7bit's post where he says the following:

"Only 1, 1.5, 1.75 and 2 units keys exist in a row 4 variant. It would look a bit asymmetric if there where a 1.25 units, row 3 key on the left and a 1.75, row 4 key on the right.

Result: Modifiers below row 3 are all row 3."
http://deskthority.net/marketplace-f11/doubleshot-replacements-round-5-honey-sphericals-t6732-60.html#wrapper

Which is not how the Commando group buy was done:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=45655.msg955882#msg955882

"The set will have the row profile like this
Esc row - ROW1
~ 1 2 3 row - ROW2
Tab row - ROW3
Caps row - ROW3
Shift row - ROW3
Ctrl row - ROW4"

If that's true, it's disappointing that Round5 doesn't follow the improved more ergonomic layout Jil_jil did and that I think Penumbra will follow.

Glod · « **Reply #133 on:** Thu, 21 November 2013, 18:08:50 »

commando looks to be SA done right from the pictures

Photoelectric · « **Reply #134 on:** Thu, 21 November 2013, 18:51:08 »

I agree, which is also how I noticed that novelty lotus 1.25x caps were all row 3, which prompted me to look at the profile layout more carefully. And then I found that post by 7bit

mooswa · « **Reply #135 on:** Thu, 21 November 2013, 22:53:50 »

Quote from: Glod on Thu, 21 November 2013, 18:08:50

commando looks to be SA done right from the pictures

hmm, but surely not for 60% keyboards - as they won't have row1 at all and 3 x row3 ? $:-\$

Photoelectric · « **Reply #136 on:** Thu, 21 November 2013, 23:00:17 »

3x row3?? How are you getting that? Not having row1 along the top is still fine for 60%. Look at the profile image.

mooswa · « **Reply #137 on:** Thu, 21 November 2013, 23:19:37 »

Quote from: Photoelectric on Thu, 21 November 2013, 17:56:19

"The set will have the row profile like this
Esc row - ROW1
~ 1 2 3 row - ROW2
Tab row - ROW3
Caps row - ROW3
Shift row - ROW3
Ctrl row - ROW4"

Tab + Caps + Shift, that 3 rows with same profile, isn't it?
Am I missing something or does it make all alphas essentially flat for 60% and ErgoDox?

Photoelectric · « **Reply #138 on:** Thu, 21 November 2013, 23:33:34 »

Ah right yes. My bad. Still a curve for number row and bottom row. But anyway, why would 60% keyboards be any different other than the function row? Still seems reasonable.

mooswa · « **Reply #139 on:** Thu, 21 November 2013, 23:48:42 »

How I look at it is that it is a trade off. You get support for non-querty layouts but loose some ergonomics. To me it feels like sacrifice is a bit bigger for keyboards that end up not having row1 at all. Hmm, but I guess it just because I type querty

dorkvader · « **Reply #140 on:** Fri, 22 November 2013, 01:48:37 »

SA "done right" would also have the function keys be R3 (flat) as it is with the majority of vintage spherical keyboards that I am aware of.

But basically every set is row1 for function row. Unless you have it on a 75% or similar, you won't be touchtyping the function row anyway as it is set apart, and it makes more sense to have them be flat.

Nevertheless, this GH fulfills the "big picture" so little details such as mismatching modifiers and odd profile rows are no big deal. The KB it's based on isn't sculped at all even (and I am aware of very few sculpted honeywell microswitch keyboards)

7bit · « **Reply #141 on:** Fri, 22 November 2013, 03:53:38 »

We had a poll about the F1-F12 function row and most wanted it row 1 instead of row 3:

If there are enough orders overall, I might add F1-F24 all in row 3, plus numpad in all row 3.

There are 2 function kits (HONEY/FUNCTION/R3 and HONEY/FUNCTION7) which consist of row 3 function keys.

BTW: The Standard kit of the 23 Command group buy was $68.40, while HONEY/TKL+HONEY/SPACE625 is only $69.68 including shipping worldwide and PayPal fees!

Halvar · « **Reply #142 on:** Fri, 22 November 2013, 06:35:30 »

Quote from: Photoelectric on Thu, 21 November 2013, 17:56:19

If that's true, it's disappointing that Round5 doesn't follow the improved more ergonomic layout Jil_jil did and that I think Penumbra will follow.

I disagree here. I see two major differences between the sets:

1) Commando is using row 3 for all the rows that have alphas. While this is more convenient if you want to make your own dvorak or colemak set and might be more appealing optically because the shift keys have the same profile as the alpha keys on the same row, it's certainly less ergonomic. You basically have a flat field of alphas, which conflicts with the whole point of profiles. Round 5 has a dedicated sets for colemak, Dvarak and BEPO, which is clearly the better solution.

2) Commando is using row 4 for Control/Windows/Alt: I agree that this is more ergonomic than using row 3. I thought the reason for that was that there was no 1.25u row 4 mold, but the new pictures from commando show that it exists. EDIT: 7bit tells me that 1.25u row 4 molds only exist in matte, not semi-matte top surface. Which would be inconsistent with the other keys, and the Commando set is in fact inconsistent in that respect.

dorkvader · « **Reply #143 on:** Fri, 22 November 2013, 10:11:01 »

Quote from: 7bit on Fri, 22 November 2013, 03:53:38

We had a poll about the F1-F12 function row and most wanted it row 1 instead of row 3:
Show Image

If there are enough orders overall, I might add F1-F24 all in row 3, plus numpad in all row 3.

There are 2 function kits (HONEY/FUNCTION/R3 and HONEY/FUNCTION7) which consist of row 3 function keys.

BTW: The Standard kit of the 23 Command group buy was $68.40, while HONEY/TKL+HONEY/SPACE625 is only $69.68 including shipping worldwide and PayPal fees!

Thanks very much for the reply! It makes sense how you did it, and I am again impressed with your tendency to include many options. Perhaps I'll get some row three function keys as well.

Photoelectric · « **Reply #144 on:** Fri, 22 November 2013, 10:39:40 »

Thank you for the explanations--I can see the merits of both options now.

kfmfe04 · « **Reply #145 on:** Fri, 22 November 2013, 11:59:59 »

Drafting my initial order came out to $280!!!

DAMN - I'm gonna have to cut this down: it's like a battle between my wallet and a fear that if I don't get the combos I want, I will never be able to finish or vary the set the way I like it...

okay - I've cut it down to $240 - need to trim some more

now down to $195, but I need to cut down more - why did bit7 give us so many choices?!?!? the agony/the ecstasy

ok - down to $127 + $7 shipping - time to get some zzzz's

hashbaz · « **Reply #146 on:** Fri, 22 November 2013, 12:15:19 »

Heh yeah my first order was > $300. Cut it down to $150 or so.

metalliqaz · « **Reply #147 on:** Fri, 22 November 2013, 14:41:11 »

Quote from: hashbaz on Fri, 22 November 2013, 12:15:19

Heh yeah my first order was > $300. Cut it down to $150 or so.

Same but I only got it down to a bit over 200.

kfmfe04 · « **Reply #148 on:** Fri, 22 November 2013, 14:53:56 »

Just sent in an order for $128 (my very FIRST GB!)

It's quite amazing that after trying out various color combinations, the classiest/best-looking combination appears to be the original Honeywell colors.

So I just combined pieces the best I could to get it to look like the original and added a little extra.

HONEY/TKL
HONEY/TILDEBPRIME/GREY
HONEY/VERTBSL150/GREY
HONEY/RETURN225/RED
HONEY/SPACE625

Extras:
HONEY/TKL/BASE/BLACK (black hides the space-row modifiers in my black case)
HONEY/FUNCTION/RED (gotta have that red panic button)

Photoelectric · « **Reply #149 on:** Fri, 22 November 2013, 15:39:20 »

I wish that this set:

Included 1x "0" and "00" caps instead of just one long "0" for the numpad section. Or "0" and "," instead of long "0". Is anyone getting a kit with those caps in 1x size that won't get used?

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