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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #100 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 12:57:35 »
If it does, damn I will need to start hooking real quick.

Is this some sort of slang?  O.o
By hooking, I think he/she means selling them selves. For money. To strangers. On the street.  :))

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #101 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:35:23 »
This set could have been perfect for me, but I am so saddened to see the lack of 4x spacebar and windowed Alt. 

I CANNOT buy this because it will not cover my custom inteli 78.3% keyboard.
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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #102 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:37:55 »
If it does, damn I will need to start hooking real quick.

Is this some sort of slang?  O.o
By hooking, I think he/she means selling them selves. For money. To strangers. On the street.  :))

Oh!  Haha.  That makes sense.  I've never heard that form of the word before.  :P

This set could have been perfect for me, but I am so saddened to see the lack of 4x spacebar and windowed Alt. 

I CANNOT buy this because it will not cover my custom inteli 78.3% keyboard.

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #103 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:38:50 »
This set could have been perfect for me, but I am so saddened to see the lack of 4x spacebar and windowed Alt. 

I CANNOT buy this because it will not cover my custom inteli 78.3% keyboard.

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #104 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:40:21 »
This set could have been perfect for me, but I am so saddened to see the lack of 4x spacebar and windowed Alt. 

I CANNOT buy this because it will not cover my custom inteli 78.3% keyboard.

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #105 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:41:38 »
So can someone explain something to me? I've noticed this on a couple of GMK sets now: The extra R3 \| key. On a UK ISO layout, this key is R4, as part of the split Left Shift. I can't find an ISO layout where this key is R3 next to the Enter. It'd make more sense to me to have a blank key rather than a wrong key. Does that not make sense? Am I missing something?
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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #106 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:50:17 »
So can someone explain something to me? I've noticed this on a couple of GMK sets now: The extra R3 \| key. On a UK ISO layout, this key is R4, as part of the split Left Shift. I can't find an ISO layout where this key is R3 next to the Enter. It'd make more sense to me to have a blank key rather than a wrong key. Does that not make sense? Am I missing something?

It's US ISO - often considered the default or plain vanilla ISO option. Equally wrong for everybody, but at the same time, the best possible option since none of the individual ISO setups could ever hit MOQ.
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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #107 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 13:58:20 »
This set could have been perfect for me, but I am so saddened to see the lack of 4x spacebar and windowed Alt. 

I CANNOT buy this because it will not cover my custom inteli 78.3% keyboard.

I cried @ "windowed Alt"

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #108 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:15:46 »
Looking to buy keys for 1.25-unit bottom row, if someone plans on using the set solely with WKL keyboards.



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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #109 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:24:17 »
So can someone explain something to me? I've noticed this on a couple of GMK sets now: The extra R3 \| key. On a UK ISO layout, this key is R4, as part of the split Left Shift. I can't find an ISO layout where this key is R3 next to the Enter. It'd make more sense to me to have a blank key rather than a wrong key. Does that not make sense? Am I missing something?
Intelli explained it really well.

It's for US ISO which requires a total of 4 extra keys. Nobody really uses US ISO, but it allows you to fill out an ISO board with this set. The legends will just likely be wrong.

Realistically, we can only hope to fill one type of ISO layout. Alternate legend keys for DE ISO, UK ISO, FR ISO, etc. will not hit MOQ any time soon. The second easiest ISO to do is UK ISO, but that requires a few more than 4 keys to do properly.

Really, the only people having UK ISO benefits is UK ISO users, which is a fairly small group of people. I felt it was best to have US ISO since the number of keys required is smaller, and it is 'equally wrong' for everyone, as intelli said.

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #110 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:27:20 »
Looking to buy keys for 1.25-unit bottom row, if someone plans on using the set solely with WKL keyboards.

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I guess it would be worthwhile to run a separate GB for such a moogle kit.

I mean who doesn't have a vintage cherry set waiting to get used on a modern board?!

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #111 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:30:28 »
So can someone explain something to me? I've noticed this on a couple of GMK sets now: The extra R3 \| key. On a UK ISO layout, this key is R4, as part of the split Left Shift. I can't find an ISO layout where this key is R3 next to the Enter. It'd make more sense to me to have a blank key rather than a wrong key. Does that not make sense? Am I missing something?
Intelli explained it really well.

It's for US ISO which requires a total of 4 extra keys. Nobody really uses US ISO, but it allows you to fill out an ISO board with this set. The legends will just likely be wrong.

Realistically, we can only hope to fill one type of ISO layout. Alternate legend keys for DE ISO, UK ISO, FR ISO, etc. will not hit MOQ any time soon. The second easiest ISO to do is UK ISO, but that requires a few more than 4 keys to do properly.

Really, the only people having UK ISO benefits is UK ISO users, which is a fairly small group of people. I felt it was best to have US ISO since the number of keys required is smaller, and it is 'equally wrong' for everyone, as intelli said.

I hope this helps.

I've got a better solution. Introducing:

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #112 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:31:50 »
I guess it would be worthwhile to run a separate GB for such a moogle kit.

I mean who doesn't have a vintage cherry set waiting to get used on a modern board?!
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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #113 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:46:21 »
Thinking about it, perhaps I can live without a U9 |\ keycap.


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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #114 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:48:28 »
Thinking about it, perhaps I can live without a U9 |\ keycap.

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #115 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:49:45 »
Esc key should be Grave/Tilde. And Space bar should be alpha color.

Agreed JD. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll place an order.



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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #116 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:50:07 »
Esc key should be Grave/Tilde. And Space bar should be alpha color.
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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #117 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:52:55 »
It's US ISO - often considered the default or plain vanilla ISO option. Equally wrong for everybody, but at the same time, the best possible option since none of the individual ISO setups could ever hit MOQ.

Intelli explained it really well.

It's for US ISO which requires a total of 4 extra keys. Nobody really uses US ISO, but it allows you to fill out an ISO board with this set. The legends will just likely be wrong.

Realistically, we can only hope to fill one type of ISO layout. Alternate legend keys for DE ISO, UK ISO, FR ISO, etc. will not hit MOQ any time soon. The second easiest ISO to do is UK ISO, but that requires a few more than 4 keys to do properly.

Really, the only people having UK ISO benefits is UK ISO users, which is a fairly small group of people. I felt it was best to have US ISO since the number of keys required is smaller, and it is 'equally wrong' for everyone, as intelli said.

I hope this helps.

Thanks for explaining, I didn't realise US ISO was a thing, makes sense now!

I mean, it's annoying, but at least it makes sense!
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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #118 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:54:32 »
Esc key should be Grave/Tilde. And Space bar should be alpha color.

Agreed JD. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll place an order.

I don't intend to be rude here, but what about that picture convinced you that non-symmetrical would be fine?  Non-symmetrical is the "standard" established decades ago, and there are countless pictures that show it.  O.o

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #119 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:55:32 »
Esc key should be Grave/Tilde. And Space bar should be alpha color.

Agreed JD. Thanks for the suggestion, I'll place an order.

I don't intend to be rude here, but what about that picture convinced you that non-symmetrical would be fine?  Non-symmetrical is the "standard" established decades ago, and there are countless pictures that show it.  O.o

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #120 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 15:00:51 »
Thinking about it, perhaps I can live without a U9 |\ keycap.

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #121 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 15:03:35 »
This set could have been perfect for me, but I am so saddened to see the lack of 4x spacebar and windowed Alt. 

I CANNOT buy this because it will not cover my custom inteli 78.3% keyboard.

I agree. How come no GB comes in my preferred layout?! Is it so hard to ask for Pacific Macedonian Alternate layout?? The one with the whale over the umlaut.

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #122 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 15:05:07 »
This set could have been perfect for me, but I am so saddened to see the lack of 4x spacebar and windowed Alt. 

I CANNOT buy this because it will not cover my custom inteli 78.3% keyboard.

I agree. How come no GB comes in my preferred layout?! Is it so hard to ask for Pacific Macedonian Alternate layout?? The one with the whale over the umlaut.

Apparently that's a thing.

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #123 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 15:15:53 »
I don't intend to be rude here, but what about that picture convinced you that non-symmetrical would be fine?  Non-symmetrical is the "standard" established decades ago, and there are countless pictures that show it.  O.o

In that picture, the white |\ keycap caught my attention and I decided to make a quick mockup to understand what was happening.

Turns out I love the result.


Colors and legends may not be accurate because I'm using a bad monitor right now.

TL;DR: OCD, basically.



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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #124 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 15:18:31 »
I don't intend to be rude here, but what about that picture convinced you that non-symmetrical would be fine?  Non-symmetrical is the "standard" established decades ago, and there are countless pictures that show it.  O.o

In that picture, the white |\ keycap caught my attention and I decided to make a quick mockup to understand what was happening.

Turns out I love the result.

Show Image

Colors and legends may not be accurate because I'm using a bad monitor right now.

TL;DR: OCD, basically.

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #125 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 15:19:42 »
I don't intend to be rude here, but what about that picture convinced you that non-symmetrical would be fine?  Non-symmetrical is the "standard" established decades ago, and there are countless pictures that show it.  O.o

In that picture, the white |\ keycap caught my attention and I decided to make a quick mockup to understand what was happening.

Turns out I love the result.

Show Image

Colors and legends may not be accurate because I'm using a bad monitor right now.

TL;DR: OCD, basically.

The whole point is, character keys are one color, modifier keys are another color. To me (and a lot of other people), this is logical which outweighs the visual imbalance of asymmetry.

Actually, there's nothing symmetrical about keyboard symmetry unless you're using a Planck or Atomic.

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #126 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 15:19:50 »
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The only way it should ever be done
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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #127 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 15:23:37 »
As nature intended.

I have no idea about what this phrase means.

I checked some sort of Urban Dictionary and now I understand the joke, nice one.

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #128 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 15:24:07 »
I don't intend to be rude here, but what about that picture convinced you that non-symmetrical would be fine?  Non-symmetrical is the "standard" established decades ago, and there are countless pictures that show it.  O.o

In that picture, the white |\ keycap caught my attention and I decided to make a quick mockup to understand what was happening.

Turns out I love the result.

Show Image

Colors and legends may not be accurate because I'm using a bad monitor right now.

TL;DR: OCD, basically.

I already knew it would look good.  ;)


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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #129 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 15:25:30 »
So all you guys using grave/tilde instead of Esc on a 60%, do you put Esc on another layer? Because as a Vim user I don't think I could ever do that.

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #130 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 15:26:11 »

I already knew it would look good.  ;)

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Nice pic, what year is that? I love the white label, not sure I've seen it before.



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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #131 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 15:28:31 »

I already knew it would look good.  ;)

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Nice pic, what year is that? I love the white label, not sure I've seen it before.

I don't know what year.  I think it's an earlier model (1985 maybe).  This is what I meant though, keyboards have had asymmetrical layouts for decades, and it's always looked good.  :P

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #132 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 15:30:19 »
So you're forced to use A profile if you're doing winkeyless, well I guess you can't get everything you want :)
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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #133 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 16:04:16 »
So all you guys using grave/tilde instead of Esc on a 60%, do you put Esc on another layer? Because as a Vim user I don't think I could ever do that.

I use this for all 60% keyboards.

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #134 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 16:10:57 »
So all you guys using grave/tilde instead of Esc on a 60%, do you put Esc on another layer? Because as a Vim user I don't think I could ever do that.

I use this for all 60% keyboards.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/4498625502bba532a032

I weep at the lack of Del.  :(

Other than that, HHKB is  ^-^

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #135 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 16:14:29 »
So all you guys using grave/tilde instead of Esc on a 60%, do you put Esc on another layer? Because as a Vim user I don't think I could ever do that.

I use this for all 60% keyboards.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/4498625502bba532a032

I weep at the lack of Del.  :(

Other than that, HHKB is  ^-^

What are you, a Mac user? ;)

Del is FN0+BSPC of course.

And actually, CAPS and LCTL are swapped, but I didn't feel like changing it.
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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #136 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 16:19:39 »
Will be joining on the last day it is open :thumb:

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #137 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 16:23:18 »
Will be joining on the last day it is open :thumb:
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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #138 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 17:15:28 »
Oooooooohhhhhhh it's here! Thanks so much for bringing this to the community. sad to see that the win98 keys are not doubleshot, but I'm betting that's because it would have increased the price insanely (if it is even possible to get gmk to make a new mold)
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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #139 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 17:22:37 »
Oooooooohhhhhhh it's here! Thanks so much for bringing this to the community. sad to see that the win98 keys are not doubleshot, but I'm betting that's because it would have increased the price insanely (if it is even possible to get gmk to make a new mold)
Not possible :p
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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #140 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 17:24:50 »
Oooooooohhhhhhh it's here! Thanks so much for bringing this to the community. sad to see that the win98 keys are not doubleshot, but I'm betting that's because it would have increased the price insanely (if it is even possible to get gmk to make a new mold)

I don't think GMK can inject in a mold with such level of detail, same with Signature Plastics but I'm not worried at all as I trust the method they are using here. It's gonna last forever.




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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #141 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 17:28:29 »
So all you guys using grave/tilde instead of Esc on a 60%, do you put Esc on another layer? Because as a Vim user I don't think I could ever do that.

I use this for all 60% keyboards.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/4498625502bba532a032

I weep at the lack of Del.  :(

Other than that, HHKB is  ^-^

What are you, a Mac user? ;)

Del is FN0+BSPC of course.

And actually, CAPS and LCTL are swapped, but I didn't feel like changing it.

Partially.  :P

I'm mostly just a user that likes to delete things.  >:D  And doing a full delete (shift + del) becomes that much harder with Del on a fn layer.  :|

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #142 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 17:46:07 »
Oooooooohhhhhhh it's here! Thanks so much for bringing this to the community. sad to see that the win98 keys are not doubleshot, but I'm betting that's because it would have increased the price insanely (if it is even possible to get gmk to make a new mold)

I don't think GMK can inject in a mold with such level of detail, same with Signature Plastics but I'm not worried at all as I trust the method they are using here. It's gonna last forever.



Oooooooohhhhhhh it's here! Thanks so much for bringing this to the community. sad to see that the win98 keys are not doubleshot, but I'm betting that's because it would have increased the price insanely (if it is even possible to get gmk to make a new mold)
Not possible :p

oh yeah, didn't even think about the detail


man im so excited for this
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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #143 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 18:48:53 »
Was looking to pick a set of adler up but I think I'm just going to go with this on further thought. How well would this fit on a 84 keyboard, namely Redscarf 84?
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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #144 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 18:55:05 »
Was looking to pick a set of adler up but I think I'm just going to go with this on further thought. How well would this fit on a 84 keyboard, namely Redscarf 84?
Yeah, it should work with any of the RS84 layouts except the one with the 6u spacebar, since this only has 6.25 and 7u spacebars.
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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #145 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 20:14:15 »
If anyone will not be using the following 4 keys I will buy them from you:
Windows 1x (2), Right small shift 1.75x (1), Right Fn 1x (1)

Thank you for the correction sir.
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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #146 on: Wed, 05 August 2015, 20:28:49 »

If anyone will not be using the following 4 keys I will buy them from you:
Windows 1x (2), Right small shift 1.5x? (1), Right Fn 1x (1)
Small shift right is 1.75 btw

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #147 on: Thu, 06 August 2015, 02:00:19 »
followed ^^ , hope it finish soon ^^

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #148 on: Thu, 06 August 2015, 03:39:12 »
Can this be considered a good price for ISO users? We are talking about three keys more than ANSI if I'm not mistaken.

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Re: [GB] GMK Classic Beige
« Reply #149 on: Thu, 06 August 2015, 03:50:01 »
I've spent way too long thinking about this and even longer in MS Paint. So I thought this would look sweet on a Leopold FC660C with Novatouch sliders, but there are so many problems that I don't know if it is worth trying. First the FC660C uses two 2.25u Shift keys and the second is that it uses a 6u spacebar.

If I buy two sets of GMK RGBK mod packs then I will have two right shifts. I bought Matt3o's Topre spacebars so maybe I can use the blue spacebar for added style.  I could then trade or sell the remaining RGBK mod pack or save them for another project.

In the end it would probably take away from the whole "Classic" feel, so I don't know. Maybe I can wait for something else? Or maybe I need this, lol. Attached is the laughably terrible and very embarrassing MS Paint version of what I am trying to visualize.  Feel free to mock me, but I am going to bed now :)

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