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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #50 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 15:46:18 »
Due to popular demand, I will look into how I can offer Cherry-style Icon+Text mods as well.

Yes, well, that demand is coming from folks who lack a singular affinity for the original Space Cadet keyboard, and place Cherry legend conformity above the spirit of the tribute you're paying. However, you've already compromised the OG aesthetic by using corner legends, so I suppose offering Cherry-style mod legends is only one more step up that slippery slope. If you do decide to do this, I would request you put them into their own kit so the cost burden is shouldered only by those who insist on having them.

Cherry-style modifiers will come second in priority, so for example as a 10-key addon kit.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #51 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 15:47:28 »
YES, PLEASE MAKE THIS HAPPEN

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #52 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 15:49:17 »
Icon + text is ugly.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #53 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 15:50:48 »
Icon + text is ugly.

People want what they want ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ but no worries, like I said it will be optional.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #54 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 15:50:57 »
I don't use cylindrical keycaps, but I will absolutely have to have this set. It is Space Cadet after all...  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #55 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 15:53:09 »
The price asked by gmk for the alphas (50 keys) is this: 38 USD/set MOQ 150 sets

This is the price as a standalone set. When made as an addon, the price will be considerably lower (at least 20% lower).

i got a quote from GMK last month and it was more than this

The molds have been shared between sets because gmk decided to invest in them. There is no IP because they haven't been paid in full by the group buy leader.

Source? Please link something to prove the validity.

In the Massdrop forum about Redsuns GMK you'll find that the molds are shared between Laser and Redsuns set, and there are threads about gmk investing in them in the Laser forum too.


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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #56 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 16:03:29 »
Due to popular demand, I will look into how I can offer Cherry-style Icon+Text mods as well. I have various ideas on how it could be done, I will investigate how it plays out with pricing. But since this is still a very young IC, don't expect an answer in the coming week or so, just note that I have heard you and will pursue options.

Will you make the ISO enter with a black legend too ? this would be really nice

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #57 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 16:05:25 »
The price asked by gmk for the alphas (50 keys) is this: 38 USD/set MOQ 150 sets

This is the price as a standalone set. When made as an addon, the price will be considerably lower (at least 20% lower).

i got a quote from GMK last month and it was more than this

The molds have been shared between sets because gmk decided to invest in them. There is no IP because they haven't been paid in full by the group buy leader.

Source? Please link something to prove the validity.

In the Massdrop forum about Redsuns GMK you'll find that the molds are shared between Laser and Redsuns set, and there are threads about gmk investing in them in the Laser forum too.


those are not novelties

Your quote was higher because you don't live in europe? How many caps did your set include?

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #58 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 16:09:26 »
Due to popular demand, I will look into how I can offer Cherry-style Icon+Text mods as well. I have various ideas on how it could be done, I will investigate how it plays out with pricing. But since this is still a very young IC, don't expect an answer in the coming week or so, just note that I have heard you and will pursue options.

Will you make the ISO enter with a black legend too ? this would be really nice

Only the bottom rows are black in the original, Return (both ANSI and ISO) are above those rows.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #59 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 16:11:38 »
Due to popular demand, I will look into how I can offer Cherry-style Icon+Text mods as well. I have various ideas on how it could be done, I will investigate how it plays out with pricing. But since this is still a very young IC, don't expect an answer in the coming week or so, just note that I have heard you and will pursue options.

Will you make the ISO enter with a black legend too ? this would be really nice

Only the bottom rows are black in the original, Return (both ANSI and ISO) are above those rows.

Oh yeah right, my bad  :-[

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #60 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 16:11:54 »
Been waiting for this anxiously. Very very very interested.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #61 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 16:17:21 »
Love the colours but don't really care for the alpha legends. I'd rather it was like Laser with a standard alpha set and an extra alpha set with the legends, rather than another set of the same but in blue

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #62 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 16:18:21 »
Looks great with text only modifiers.  Definitely in for base + blue alphas as is.
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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #63 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 16:38:28 »
Love the colours but don't really care for the alpha legends. I'd rather it was like Laser with a standard alpha set and an extra alpha set with the legends, rather than another set of the same but in blue

Again, Oblotzky is simply trying to stay faithful to the original design, but in cherry profile. If you want normal Latin alphas, this is not the set you're looking for. Not trying to put your idea down, but it wouldn't be space cadet without these alphas.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #64 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 16:52:19 »
This really is going to be the keyset of the year. Great to finally see this!


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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #65 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 16:56:39 »
The price asked by gmk for the alphas (50 keys) is this: 38 USD/set MOQ 150 sets

This is the price as a standalone set. When made as an addon, the price will be considerably lower (at least 20% lower).

i got a quote from GMK last month and it was more than this

The molds have been shared between sets because gmk decided to invest in them. There is no IP because they haven't been paid in full by the group buy leader.

Source? Please link something to prove the validity.

In the Massdrop forum about Redsuns GMK you'll find that the molds are shared between Laser and Redsuns set, and there are threads about gmk investing in them in the Laser forum too.


those are not novelties

Your quote was higher because you don't live in europe? How many caps did your set include?

what?

GMK's prices are the same globally (I've verified this with others), and that's the pricing I got for a 50 key alpha set, like you mentioned.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #66 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 17:25:30 »
Perhaps a dumb question, but if you're doing all new molds for the alphas, why not orient them as on the original space cadet with alternate symbol directly above letter, instead of diagonal with letter upper left and symbol lower right?

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #67 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 17:26:52 »
Perhaps a dumb question, but if you're doing all new molds for the alphas, why not orient them as on the original space cadet with alternate symbol directly above letter, instead of diagonal with letter upper left and symbol lower right?

Putting the primary legend in the top left and secondary in the bottom right is a design pattern established by Cherry for their profile I do not intend to break.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #68 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 17:28:00 »
Voted for Base set on Massdrop, Anyway no vote option for Novelties?

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #69 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 17:31:17 »
Voted for Base set on Massdrop, Anyway no vote option for Novelties?

Addon kits are of little importance for MD polls, seeing the number of potential buyers of the main kits (base and ergopreonic) is the part that matters the most.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #70 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 17:37:41 »
Voted for Base set on Massdrop, Anyway no vote option for Novelties?

I can't imagine they'd run this set without offering them. Most GMK sets run with some kind of novelties set so I wouldn't worry.
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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #71 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 17:55:22 »
I guess I know what my tax refund will be used for. Very excited to see this come to fruition.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #72 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 18:02:49 »
Perhaps a dumb question, but if you're doing all new molds for the alphas, why not orient them as on the original space cadet with alternate symbol directly above letter, instead of diagonal with letter upper left and symbol lower right?

My guess is that GMK Space Cadet is what we imagine Tom Knight would have created had he put his legends on a modern Cherry-profile keycap family.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #73 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 18:08:30 »
Looks great.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #74 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 18:11:32 »
The price asked by gmk for the alphas (50 keys) is this: 38 USD/set MOQ 150 sets

This is the price as a standalone set. When made as an addon, the price will be considerably lower (at least 20% lower).

i got a quote from GMK last month and it was more than this

The molds have been shared between sets because gmk decided to invest in them. There is no IP because they haven't been paid in full by the group buy leader.

Source? Please link something to prove the validity.

In the Massdrop forum about Redsuns GMK you'll find that the molds are shared between Laser and Redsuns set, and there are threads about gmk investing in them in the Laser forum too.


those are not novelties

Your quote was higher because you don't live in europe? How many caps did your set include?

what?

GMK's prices are the same globally (I've verified this with others), and that's the pricing I got for a 50 key alpha set, like you mentioned.

You confuse me sometimes, giorgio.

It can't be a difference of more than 10%.
They aren't the same. Don't make me talk about VAT for example.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #75 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 18:28:00 »
Voted. I was just looking for Space Cadet caps, and the timing is perfect. Definitely excited for this!

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #76 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 18:37:51 »
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The price asked by gmk for the alphas (50 keys) is this: 38 USD/set MOQ 150 sets

This is the price as a standalone set. When made as an addon, the price will be considerably lower (at least 20% lower).

i got a quote from GMK last month and it was more than this

The molds have been shared between sets because gmk decided to invest in them. There is no IP because they haven't been paid in full by the group buy leader.

Source? Please link something to prove the validity.

In the Massdrop forum about Redsuns GMK you'll find that the molds are shared between Laser and Redsuns set, and there are threads about gmk investing in them in the Laser forum too.


those are not novelties

Your quote was higher because you don't live in europe? How many caps did your set include?

what?

GMK's prices are the same globally (I've verified this with others), and that's the pricing I got for a 50 key alpha set, like you mentioned.

You confuse me sometimes, giorgio.

It can't be a difference of more than 10%.
They aren't the same. Don't make me talk about VAT for example.

all GMK quotes are without VAT

i was quoted $44 (after converting from euros, since all GMK quotes are in euros) for 50 keys, which is a difference of more than 10%
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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #77 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 18:38:35 »
Your quote was higher because you don't live in europe? How many caps did your set include?

what?

GMK's prices are the same globally (I've verified this with others), and that's the pricing I got for a 50 key alpha set, like you mentioned.

You confuse me sometimes, giorgio.

It can't be a difference of more than 10%.
They aren't the same. Don't make me talk about VAT for example.

Please explain.

Prices are the same no matter where you are. VAT is added after if you have to pay VAT.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #78 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 19:05:58 »
I'll join for sure. Prefer the text only mods  :thumb: Will also get blue alphas

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #79 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 19:51:22 »
Yessss!  I normally prefer icon + text but damn you Oblotzky, just like with Oblivion, I don't mind text only on this.
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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #80 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 20:49:36 »
Perhaps a dumb question, but if you're doing all new molds for the alphas, why not orient them as on the original space cadet with alternate symbol directly above letter, instead of diagonal with letter upper left and symbol lower right?

My guess is that GMK Space Cadet is what we imagine Tom Knight would have created had he put his legends on a modern Cherry-profile keycap family.
I doubt it, because the symbols on the space cadet keyboard were placed where they were to indicate the proper chorded use (e.g. super-a = symbol above a, just like shift-1 = ! on a PC keyboard). The Cherry "corners" method was for alternately  interpreted symbols by the attached computer; something like Cyrillic sublegends for a computer that's set to Russian language. But I understand why esthetically it's being presented this way for this set. Ultimately it doesn't really matter since the symbols are just decorative anyway.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #81 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 20:51:31 »
Q: Colevrak kit?
A: Due to the secondary APL legends, a Colevrak kit would need 20+ new molds made as well. With Colevrak kits having an MOQ of 100 and only ever having reached that number once with Laser, we're talking about a 30euro (40-45$ or so) extra, making the kit cost 80-90$.

Are we talking that if we add a Colerak kit, it would cost 40-45$ alone? Or the Colerak kit costs 80-90$ alone? If it's 40-45$, IMO that is not a very high price, considering the previous Colerak kit costs some price at the same level.

This keyset is the set of this year to me personally. Almost perfect except there is no Colevrak kit.

As a Dvorak user, I don't mind to pay more to get this kit up and running. The Space-Cadet theme is rare, the Colerak kit in such a theme is rarer, due to the APL legends. If there is a small chance to get it there, please think twice before putting it away.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #82 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 21:14:09 »
For real - GMK can do that?
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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #83 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 21:21:14 »
Q: Colevrak kit?
A: Due to the secondary APL legends, a Colevrak kit would need 20+ new molds made as well. With Colevrak kits having an MOQ of 100 and only ever having reached that number once with Laser, we're talking about a 30euro (40-45$ or so) extra, making the kit cost 80-90$.

Are we talking that if we add a Colerak kit, it would cost 40-45$ alone? Or the Colerak kit costs 80-90$ alone? If it's 40-45$, IMO that is not a very high price, considering the previous Colerak kit costs some price at the same level.

This keyset is the set of this year to me personally. Almost perfect except there is no Colevrak kit.

As a Dvorak user, I don't mind to pay more to get this kit up and running. The Space-Cadet theme is rare, the Colerak kit in such a theme is rarer, due to the APL legends. If there is a small chance to get it there, please think twice before putting it away.

Probably a lot more than $50 on its own. My guess is above $75.
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[IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #84 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 21:44:51 »
How many GMK sets would be ahead of this on Massdrop line?

Plan on buying as many base kits and add-ons as I can afford (admittedly, that’s likely only 2 full kits..)


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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #85 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 21:55:42 »
Wow, just wow.
Any chance to do the side prints as well?  Small greek letters?

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #86 on: Sat, 10 February 2018, 23:59:22 »
in!

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #87 on: Sun, 11 February 2018, 02:12:11 »
Really rad set!  I'd be interested to see a symbols-only option too.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #88 on: Sun, 11 February 2018, 04:42:22 »
Q: Colevrak kit?
A: Due to the secondary APL legends, a Colevrak kit would need 20+ new molds made as well. With Colevrak kits having an MOQ of 100 and only ever having reached that number once with Laser, we're talking about a 30euro (40-45$ or so) extra, making the kit cost 80-90$.

Are we talking that if we add a Colerak kit, it would cost 40-45$ alone? Or the Colerak kit costs 80-90$ alone? If it's 40-45$, IMO that is not a very high price, considering the previous Colerak kit costs some price at the same level.

This keyset is the set of this year to me personally. Almost perfect except there is no Colevrak kit.

As a Dvorak user, I don't mind to pay more to get this kit up and running. The Space-Cadet theme is rare, the Colerak kit in such a theme is rarer, due to the APL legends. If there is a small chance to get it there, please think twice before putting it away.

The 40-45$ would be EXTRA to have the new molds made, added on top of the current cost of 43$ per DC kit as seen in Red Samurai, we're looking at a 80-90$ TOTAL. Sure there are some nuts that will have no issue with paying that, but faaaar from 100.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #89 on: Sun, 11 February 2018, 05:31:39 »
Q: Colevrak kit?
A: Due to the secondary APL legends, a Colevrak kit would need 20+ new molds made as well. With Colevrak kits having an MOQ of 100 and only ever having reached that number once with Laser, we're talking about a 30euro (40-45$ or so) extra, making the kit cost 80-90$.

Are we talking that if we add a Colerak kit, it would cost 40-45$ alone? Or the Colerak kit costs 80-90$ alone? If it's 40-45$, IMO that is not a very high price, considering the previous Colerak kit costs some price at the same level.

This keyset is the set of this year to me personally. Almost perfect except there is no Colevrak kit.

As a Dvorak user, I don't mind to pay more to get this kit up and running. The Space-Cadet theme is rare, the Colerak kit in such a theme is rarer, due to the APL legends. If there is a small chance to get it there, please think twice before putting it away.

The 40-45$ would be EXTRA to have the new molds made, added on top of the current cost of 43$ per DC kit as seen in Red Samurai, we're looking at a 80-90$ TOTAL. Sure there are some nuts that will have no issue with paying that, but faaaar from 100.

Got it. I'm cool with this absence of DC kit in this GB. Since the APL legends are exclusive to this theme, even if the DC kit happens in this GB, it doesn't share the molds for any other later GMK GBs like the previous plain DC kit. It doesn't help any other later GMK GBs for the DC users even though it's not much money for 100 DC kit in total, which is around 8000$ and I could pay that actually. Let's see how it will be going without the DC kit for now. If there is enough interest, maybe we could have some extra GB for the DC users in the future, like the Colevrak extension for SA Oblivion maybe? Or an extra plain alpha and DC kit GB in blue-grey theme without the APL legends, which is a compromise to avoid to the molds cost.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #90 on: Sun, 11 February 2018, 05:38:23 »
even though it's not much money for 100 DC kit in total, which is around 8000$ and I could pay that actually.


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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #91 on: Sun, 11 February 2018, 05:53:11 »
God, that makes me want a Signature Plastics SA R2 sooo bad.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #92 on: Sun, 11 February 2018, 06:55:06 »
Oblotzky, have you thought about adding the side/front symbols too?

This:


I seriously would love to see this happen. I'm aware this will increase the cost to get the extra symbols front printed but this is the extra detail I'd love to see happen. Since it's done on Massdrop, I think its fair details to add.

Also, it'll be great to see super/win novelty keys to be included in the Symbols kit.
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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #93 on: Sun, 11 February 2018, 07:36:04 »
Oblotzky, have you thought about adding the side/front symbols too?

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I seriously would love to see this happen. I'm aware this will increase the cost to get the extra symbols front printed but this is the extra detail I'd love to see happen. Since it's done on Massdrop, I think its fair details to add.

Also, it'll be great to see super/win novelty keys to be included in the Symbols kit.

I'll have to see how pricing is as it is. Also what do you mean by Super/Win keys for Symbols kit? Super Meta Hyper are already in the base kit, considering adding 1x Meta and 1x Hyper in 1.5u if pricing allows it.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #94 on: Sun, 11 February 2018, 07:43:57 »
Love the colours but don't really care for the alpha legends. I'd rather it was like Laser with a standard alpha set and an extra alpha set with the legends, rather than another set of the same but in blue

Again, Oblotzky is simply trying to stay faithful to the original design, but in cherry profile. If you want normal Latin alphas, this is not the set you're looking for. Not trying to put your idea down, but it wouldn't be space cadet without these alphas.

I could say it's not space cadet without centered legends on spherical caps with the additional front printed legends.

It already isn't space cadet, and never will be.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #95 on: Sun, 11 February 2018, 08:11:33 »
Love the colours but don't really care for the alpha legends. I'd rather it was like Laser with a standard alpha set and an extra alpha set with the legends, rather than another set of the same but in blue

Again, Oblotzky is simply trying to stay faithful to the original design, but in cherry profile. If you want normal Latin alphas, this is not the set you're looking for. Not trying to put your idea down, but it wouldn't be space cadet without these alphas.

I could say it's not space cadet without centered legends on spherical caps with the additional front printed legends.

It already isn't space cadet, and never will be.

The point is to pay tribute to Space Cadet, whether or not it "isn't and never will be" is irrelevant. Oblotzky is one of like 3 people I expect to stay true to the concept so I can safely say it won't ever happen.

Plus if it theoretically did happen it'd impair sales terribly, there's abslolutely no way regular alphas in the base kit would sell anywhere near the number this will (unless there's a huge number of Massdrop normies). Maybe an argument made for having it as a secondary alpha kit but I think the blue version is much more interesting than that so I'm glad this is the way it is.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #96 on: Sun, 11 February 2018, 08:15:56 »

Greek front legends would look so cool! Could they be pad printed to save costs? Since we won't ever be touching the fronts anyway.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #97 on: Sun, 11 February 2018, 09:11:39 »
Can't wait! Probably buy both sets.

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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #98 on: Sun, 11 February 2018, 09:42:48 »
Pad printing if ugly tho.
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Re: [IC] GMK Space Cadet
« Reply #99 on: Sun, 11 February 2018, 09:56:55 »
Pad printing if ugly tho.

Who said anything about pad printing tho.