[IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17

[emenelopee]

How about a laser hazard symbol?

Without the "hazard" triangle around it, it could definitely make a good icon.

I'm generally averse to hazard symbols - Carbon pretty much used them all up.

[mogo]

It's still a public domain symbol. And thematically appropriate... ish.
Man, I really love the skeleton/ghost faces. Like, they are my stand-out favorites of the whole set.

[Parva Ovis]

How about a laser hazard symbol?

Without the "hazard" triangle around it, it could definitely make a good icon.

I'm generally averse to hazard symbols - Carbon pretty much used them all up.

I didn't realize Carbon had a laser hazard (sine triangle) as an icon. :T I definitely understand not wanting to retread ground that Carbon's already covered.

[emenelopee]

Yeah, that's one of the reasons why the radiation symbol is not in my top list, but as a one off it's not too bad as it works in context. But carbon is why I'm wary about using any more warning-style symbols, hence my messing around with new ideas.

[ProtonDecay]

How about a laser hazard symbol?

Without the "hazard" triangle around it, it could definitely make a good icon.

I'm generally averse to hazard symbols - Carbon pretty much used them all up.

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I think a bunch of those would be WAY more appropriate on a glowing keycap than in Carbon's colors.

[HotRoderX]

yea I mean I wouldn't fret about using a public recognized symbol. I mean special for a set like this!.. People are just silly sometimes.. but yea! I mean if someone doesn't want there symbol's copied they shouldn't use generic ones to start with.

[oumakavoula]

interested

[Cods]

Interested!

[emenelopee]

Hi all, quick update: there is no news to update, I'm still waiting on progress info from SP. I'll try again on Monday. Have good weekends all!

[eyedrop]

Thanks for the update. I am interested.

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[mjin03]

This is awesome!
It would be great if we could have the symbol below as the escape key:


I think the pattern for these tapes below would look good as 2U (backspace) or 2.25U


Maybe something like this (2.25 shift)?

[baxxt14]

OH **** i need that lego ghost keycap

wait, i don't even have an SA set

[mogo]

OH **** i need that lego ghost keycap

wait, i don't even have an SA set

Well, sounds like you need an SA set. 

[kmfmppl]

This is awesome!
It would be great if we could have the symbol below as the escape key:

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I think the pattern for these tapes below would look good as 2U (backspace) or 2.25U

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Maybe something like this (2.25 shift)?

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I like this, especially the tape for the backspace. fits the theme well imho

[tjcertified]

Extremely interested in a 100% tenkey set.

[_ODIN_]

any rough estimate on the price yet ?

[mogo]

any rough estimate on the price yet ?

Hi all, quick update: there is no news to update, I'm still waiting on progress info from SP. I'll try again on Monday. Have good weekends all!

So, no. SP is still retooling, we're waiting patiently to know more from them.

[emenelopee]

any rough estimate on the price yet ?

Hi all, quick update: there is no news to update, I'm still waiting on progress info from SP. I'll try again on Monday. Have good weekends all!

So, no. SP is still retooling, we're waiting patiently to know more from them.

And to add to that, the latest from SP, as of today, is they're having some issues in the test phase of the new tooling. No ETA, on with the holding pattern. Sorry about that.

In the meantime, I'm taking a couple weeks vacay. I may check in every so often but to be honest I probably won't  Maybe take this opportunity to tidy your room, work on your garden, or learn to make the perfect poached egg? ttfn

PS

Maybe something like this (2.25 shift)?

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I was thinking about the second one for the enter but didn't quite feel it - the first with the chevrons looks a lot better and a possibility. One for the list to mock-up when I'm back.

[long_qt_pie]

Picked up one of the DCS individuals GID keys, the GID was fairly reasonable, wish I would have gotten more to see how it would actually look

[soupymeatballs]

Picked up one of the DCS individuals GID keys, the GID was fairly reasonable, wish I would have gotten more to see how it would actually look

Nice! Do you have pictures so we can get a sense?

[mogo]

Pictures of GID almost never give an accurate idea of how well it glows, how long it glows, how it really looks. The sensors in our cameras are almost always very poor at low-light conditions.

[long_qt_pie]

let me see what I can do when I get back home.  My only concern is the DCS keys are ultra thin, pretty sure SA will be thicker and therefore have better acoustics and glow.  Typical PBT feel though

[Krastoff]

I like the new UFO design! Gives me an idea for the moon and stars novelty. It could be done your way, with wavy squiggly lines as background. Something like the moon novelty from DSA Starry Night, except the moon and/or stars would probably be an outline for the glow.

DSA Starry Night Moon Novelty:


I like the eye too (disclosure: I made the suggestion ). As said, I wonder how close/small/dense we can make the dots. Finer dots will make finer gradients, but the dye-sub process's bleed is a concern. I feel the current design's bottom right corner being devoid of anything makes it look a little irregular/unbalanced, but otherwise I like it.

We're able to incorporate the stippling effect elsewhere too. For example, to suggest motion in the Swirl design, one side of each "arm" in the swirl could have the stippling fade-out effect.

Keeping it rolling!

[jimirolln]

haven't been keepn up w the thread...did bane make the cut?

[piercejenkins]

I'm super interested

[SingSong]

I know it's next to impossible, but something like the warning tape on a spacebar would be amazing.

[Al41]

I know it's next to impossible, but something like the warning tape on a spacebar would be amazing.

I like that idea. I think the chevron pattern across a spacebar would look nice.

[Al41]

Found this Hot Keys Project spacebar for Serika on massdrop. Gives us an idea of what it would look like. Just pretend its glowing.

[giangtran19x]

Interested 

[flameray]

This is pretty cool! 

[emenelopee]

Hello all, I'm out of the saddle and back on the grid, living on the other coast, ready to pick up where we left off about 3 weeks ago. Looks like I've missed a few updates, time to catch up with it all.

As to g l o w updates (I still can't decide how to type this out), nothing new from SP, I'll chase them up shortly, hopefully they'll come back with some decent updates so we can get the ball rolling again with gusto.

Quick note that in the meantime I'm on a little break between jobs so I don't have access to the modelling/render software I had before so the eye candy may not go further than where we're at now, at least for a couple weeks.

RE: the chevrons: I saw those zambumon spacebars in a massdrop spam email earlier today - I think it's a little much for the space, and it's not going to be a cheap piece that appeals to many people, but the <<<< on the return key may be a-go-go.

Otherwise, let's get ready to rev up engines again!

[mogo]

Welcome back to the internet! 

[emenelopee]

Welcome back to the internet! 

I know it's off topic, but I can't find a dedicated thread on this: who's going to the NY meetup this weekend?

https://www.reddit.com/comments/8q96lu/

[emenelopee]

UPDATE!

Hot off the press, the data sheet is almost done! No ETA, but it sounds like the bugs have been ironed out in the moulding process.

[NINJER]

Would love some fallout inspired novelties!

[mogo]

For such things, you should check out what remains of 00Zero's stock, over at this thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88617.0;topicseen

He even sold GID doubleshots at some point, not sure if he has any leftover. However, I showed the downside of doubleshots and GID earlier in this thread if you go backtracking a bit.

[emenelopee]

UPDATE:

SP have finalised their spec sheet with what they're calling SA-P, considered an new family of SA in PBT. Good news and bad new.

Good news:

- PBT
- expanded keycap range. R1 2u, R4 1.25u, R4 2.75u are in
- dye-sub for all keys

Bad news:

- only available in matte top and sides
- No 3u in any row

Of course the bad news is subjective; if you don't care fo either then there is no bad news. Personally these are both high on my list of priorities. I'll have a think on how to best deal with these two point. We're stuck with matte, the miscellaneous odd keys (3u) may need to be in ABS. We'll see.

Next steps are to finalise the set and submit to SP fr pricing. The only items that are up in the air are the novelties, so I'll probably submit the sets as-is and get a general per-key quote for the novelties so get a reasonably number to shoot for. Once there's a number settled, the novelties can be whittled to the top few.

[_ODIN_]

UPDATE:

SP have finalised their spec sheet with what they're calling SA-P, considered an new family of SA in PBT. Good news and bad new.

Good news:

- PBT
- expanded keycap range. R1 2u, R4 1.25u, R4 2.75u are in
- dye-sub for all keys

Bad news:

- only available in matte top and sides
- No 3u in any row

Of course the bad news is subjective; if you don't care fo either then there is no bad news. Personally these are both high on my list of priorities. I'll have a think on how to best deal with these two point. We're stuck with matte, the miscellaneous odd keys (3u) may need to be in ABS. We'll see.

Next steps are to finalise the set and submit to SP fr pricing. The only items that are up in the air are the novelties, so I'll probably submit the sets as-is and get a general per-key quote for the novelties so get a reasonably number to shoot for. Once there's a number settled, the novelties can be whittled to the top few.

pls no abs

[mogo]

pls no abs

pls read the post more closely.

UPDATE:

SP have finalised their spec sheet with what they're calling SA-P, considered an new family of SA in PBT. Good news and bad new.

Good news:

- PBT
- expanded keycap range. R1 2u, R4 1.25u, R4 2.75u are in
- dye-sub for all keys

Bad news:

- only available in matte top and sides
- No 3u in any row

Of course the bad news is subjective; if you don't care fo either then there is no bad news. Personally these are both high on my list of priorities. I'll have a think on how to best deal with these two point. We're stuck with matte, the miscellaneous odd keys (3u) may need to be in ABS. We'll see.

Next steps are to finalise the set and submit to SP fr pricing. The only items that are up in the air are the novelties, so I'll probably submit the sets as-is and get a general per-key quote for the novelties so get a reasonably number to shoot for. Once there's a number settled, the novelties can be whittled to the top few.

There's one more potential problem: YCA-GLOW is an ABS color, not PBT. Their color selection for PBT has no glow, so unless it is possible for them to make an adapted GID material in PBT, we could be in dire straits.

[Carlobv]

I just found this and would definitely be interested.  Good luck working out the details on this one.

[donutcat]

There's one more potential problem: YCA-GLOW is an ABS color, not PBT. Their color selection for PBT has no glow, so unless it is possible for them to make an adapted GID material in PBT, we could be in dire straits.

IIRC they've have PBT GID caps on the site before, and there were definitely PBT GID blanks available in the recent SP blanks GB.

[emenelopee]

There's one more potential problem: YCA-GLOW is an ABS color, not PBT. Their color selection for PBT has no glow, so unless it is possible for them to make an adapted GID material in PBT, we could be in dire straits.

IIRC they've have PBT GID caps on the site before, and there were definitely PBT GID blanks available in the recent SP blanks GB.

I'm getting this checked out as we speak. You are correct RE: the colour selection, but the poison caps are apparently pbt, I thin it's just a case of not having the swatch on in the library. Over the last few months dscuss with SP, I'm certain they have GID PBT, no need to fret.

Also if anyone's interested there's a 7-key sample pack (also ordered) from the new machines. White and random, selection, hopefully not all 1u.

https://pimpmykeyboard.com/sa-p-sample-packs/

[mogo]

I've ordered the sample pack. I actually love how ABS feels in their SA molds, matte or shiny, it all feels very solid and pleasant. I'm curious to see how this new mold and PBT feels. Will update once I try it out.

[emenelopee]

I've ordered the sample pack. I actually love how ABS feels in their SA molds, matte or shiny, it all feels very solid and pleasant. I'm curious to see how this new mold and PBT feels. Will update once I try it out.

So I'm confused on the original SA (ABS) capabilities - I've heard mention of keycap sizes missing for full-profile, and the spec sheet corroborates with notable omissions (2U R1, etc.), yet it seems there are a bunch of sets out in ABS that don't have any obvious mismatches. Can someone clarify?

[suicidal_orange]

There are two types of ABS, I forget the names but one's less shiny than the other - I guess the unpopular one has missing caps and that's the sheet you're reading?

[equalunique]

I've ordered the sample pack. I actually love how ABS feels in their SA molds, matte or shiny, it all feels very solid and pleasant. I'm curious to see how this new mold and PBT feels. Will update once I try it out.

I received mine and did a review of them here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/8t2us8/new_sap_by_signature_plastics_are_nice_and_thicc/

While the appeal of smooth ABS SA keycaps is appealing to me, I have to admit that the matte finish of SA-P on my Pok3r is winning me over.

As for this group buy, I am hoping to outfit at least a HHKB layout type board, a 1800 style board, and at least one ortholinear board too.

I am also considering doing a special order with SP for some blank GID DSA kits to fit my Dactyl / Manuform hand-wire boards. Normally these boards don't have backlighting, but I am willing to make it work for a GID keyset.

[mogo]

Update about the new Signature Plastics SA-P molds! I just got them in the mail and took them out to feel them out and try them on a board.

• Describing the acoustic properties seems kinda fruitless, given that they sound different on two different boards, and it really comes down to the board construction. Overall, perhaps they sound a little "thockier"? I told you it's fruitless.
• They have a very distinct PBT feel. I have taken pictures with a couple SP Carbon (abs) caps, a couple Maxkey SA (abs) caps, and a couple thick Varmillo PBT caps. The light color of the PBT caps makes picking up on the surface texture a little difficult, but I'll tell you that it's got that subtle grainy feel. I personally like the shiny ABS texture typically found on SA caps, as I think it complements the retro aesthetic of the profile, but these are also quite pleasant.
• The look of them is as you'd think. Extremely matte, very little reflectivity to give away the contours as easily as glossy ABS does. The thickness of the walls is fackin joocy! Just look at the pictures I've included, they put the doubleshot and singleshot ABS molds of SA to shame. No doubt this contributes to the acoustics.

If there are any questions I can provide about them while they're in my hands, I'll try to answer them.

[SingSong]

I honestly don't care if they're PBT or ABS, so long as they still GLOW!  ) )

[_ODIN_]

rough price estimate?

[NINJER]

If there are any questions I can provide about them while they're in my hands, I'll try to answer them.

If you have white backlighting will it penetrate enough to make the keycaps glow?